like last year I played craftopia
#off-topic
somber oracle
this year I play sword art online fatal bullet
back then there was like 4 years of me not playing a game at all
since 2010 not many interesting video game releases
for me golden era of video gaming was between 2004-2005
despite all the technology only the greed and laziness kinda killed video gaming
like they released starfield but it lacks so many basic features
cannot even drive a vehicle on planet
elite dangerous added such feature long time ago
they know there are a better game but just because it will sell anyway they release BS games that are even worst than a video game released 2 decades ago
it makes you be sure games are not developed by gamers anymore
they are just random fresh graduates who studied something related to programming
I bet most of people who developed starfield don't play a game actually
brave imp
i feel like i should mention this one tiny kind of obscure game that I LOVE
it's called Continuity
Flash game, simple puzzle platformer, and ive never seen anyone mention it outside of the game's webpage
somber oracle
oh I know it
brave imp
oh sweet finally someone else who played this gam
somber oracle
between 2005-2010 flash games were very popular
somber oracle
there are very decent flash games to play if you can find them anymore
indie developers used flash back then
there was no certain video game engine that was publicly used back then
sometimes I see some legendary flash games released on steam lol
too bad flash was trashed due to security concerns so kinda hard to play them on web browser anymore
brave imp
i'm quite thankful for flash emulators
somber oracle
mhm
thanks to flash my computer class was never boring in middle school :DDD
then SWF released so we could play 3D games on websites lol
bold aurora
it makes you be sure games are not developed by gamers anymore
at least 30 games appear on the Internet every day. one game now, some games are undemanding and there are some that are typically scams
in one sentence: many games are released every day, but good games are rare
games lack soul, most are mass produced
some developers release the same game with different graphics, nothing changes in it
somber oracle
mhm
in fact most new games are not a game anymore, they are just interactive story programs
so much focus on story, a little gameplay
point of video game is focus on gameplay and it being fun
it can do the same but make it better
like how most FPS games are same but some are more fun
like I had so much fun in rage 2
people disliked it just because game doesn't focus on story
I would never dislike a game for lack of story or bad story
story is just part of fundamental of goal of the game
bold aurora
flash games best games
I often think that because of childhood memories, do we feel that old games are better or were they really better?
somber oracle
still decent games with great lore and great story is welcome
somber oracle
I often think that because of childhood memories, do we feel that old games are ...
you can decide it for yourself now
sometimes I go back playing the games I loved once and sometimes I realize they are not good for me anymore
I also noticed kid me loved soundtrack of some games, not the game itself but mistaken loving the whole game
in that regard one of the success of sega genesis was killer musics
despite gameplay being copy paste platformer just because of its soundtrack you wanna play it
regarding video games not being a game anymore I blame hideo kojima and sony's investment for story focused games
if you guys don't know hideo kojima was one of the first person who cared about story in video games as even in 80s he managed to develop a cinematic video game called metal gear
bold aurora
you can decide it for yourself now
Crash bandicoot, spyro dawn of the dragon, Ori, Rain World and some more games yet
these games inspire me
i played some old games and i still like to play them but some new games make me bored i stop playing after an hour
somber oracle
while story is not good per se focus on story is more than any other game released until mid 2000s with few exception
then the guy released MGS1 on PS1 and changed the whole industry
people started to care more about story
sony started to invest on it
then RPG games as parallel released with decent stories
until 2010 such games focusing on stories became fundamental of what game suppose to be
so games lose its highscore, goal focused gaming, fun different gameplay to story and characters
bold aurora
in that regard one of the success of sega genesis was killer musics
yes for example the Sonic games
somber oracle
that's why they released a fun game like rage 2 but hated for lack of story :DDD
oh yes
sonic's gameplay is not ok per se but great soundtrack
I always hated platformer games not gonna lie
somber oracle
Crash bandicoot, spyro dawn of the dragon, Ori, Rain World and some more games y...
I only like few new games because of their gameplay
like witcher 3 just because monster hunting is fun
too bad too much talking :DDD
bold aurora
too bad too much talking :DDD
np! i like the Final Fantasy series
somber oracle
the weird thing is story focused games were called point and click (adventure) games
brave imp
what about text based games
somber oracle
until hideo kojima made a game like that with action people left story to adventure games
bold aurora
what about text based games
for example?
somber oracle
now adventure games are not released much
somber oracle
what about text based games
they were ancient way of developing a game
they didn't have much examples, minus visual novels
only new example is stories untold
one of my favorite
bold aurora
now adventure games are not released much
yes, fact i like the platform games, i make an Ori, Spyro, Rain World style game
somber oracle
text based games were mostly RPG games back then
no different than simple tabletop games
perhaps there are only few of text based games that actually focus on story
somber oracle
yes, fact i like the platform games, i make an Ori, Spyro, Rain World style game
only platforms are like platformers with guns or something
contra force and whatnot
as new games terraria and starbound :DDD
the game made NES barely able to run the game so much it slowing down in some parts lol
for its time the game is very advanced
can select character and modify your gun
damn konami never released remake or sequel of it
bold aurora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2CkTJ-7kYk&ab_channel=Shadowserg
i played a similar game, but there was aliens, i already don't remember the game name
and army
brave imp
as new games terraria and starbound :DDD
rolling cactus is the worst item in terraria and you cant convince me otherwise
bold aurora
old games had fun gameplay with powerup items
yes
somber oracle
special abilities that add spice to the gameplay
brave imp
so.... new games dont got any of that??
somber oracle
in each game gameplay had different special abilities that make gamers want to discover and master
but since like 2 decades games has no care about it especially since PS1 era
with 3D they used graphics to sell a game
it did last until PS3 era
like a whole decade piss race of who developed the best graphics
like "can it run crysis" is the most funny example from that era
the game had powerup idea but mostly focused on graphics
from that era it was actually rare that a game had powerup idea
bold aurora
so.... new games dont got any of that??
maybe the graphics
never used powers
although we get powers, but often illogical
bold aurora
there are lots of cool skills to play with
what skills there?
somber oracle
bow skills are especially cool
I also love the skill that makes you teleport to where you threw the magic knife
some magic skills are cool
like creating magic knife in air and send them forward
bold aurora
I also love the skill that makes you teleport to where you threw the magic knife
naruto skill
somber oracle
I know this skill from a video game I saw on TV while randomly changing channels
they were showing some random video game clips so the game had no name so to this day I have no idea what game it was and I still consider that scene from pre-rendered video, an animation and not a video game per se
I think I saw it between 2007-2009
zealous sky
in fact english has plenty synonym and all
but its not used much compared to french
then ye , french even spoken by a random french person feels less robotic
- the slang we have depending where we live in france
one thing i agree on: french feels more artistic
like many speech in some movies or in books , i have more feeling to read/hear them in french than in english
somber oracle
mhm
in that regard french is like emotional language
people can express their emotions and thus intention
english is not emotional language
it's like brutal logical language lol
zealous sky
i think you can find words too in english but it wasnt something common in english speaking country
and well, france also had SO many writer on poetry and all
that are known worldwide
it helps french to be seen as an emotionnal language
somber oracle
true
zealous sky
i know english country had some too
somber oracle
but I also mean even in daily life talking french is better on emotional expression comparing english
IDK english always sounds like people demanding ordering around or complaining and ranting :DDD
zealous sky
hmmm its a thing that many stranger critizise about french people
how "rude" we can be cuz we oftenly things as we thought them ( not between friend and all xD cuz on that , its like everywhere, people prefer to be "friendly" than helping their friend to see the truth )
and also cuz we are creative
on how to say it x)
after 31 years, i still discover some words/slang in my own region in france
like its not slang from young generation , but slang used by people who have my age
somber oracle
I see
the rude stuff happens in everywhere on earth
it's part of humanity
only in some countries it's too much as people are so sensitive
zealous sky
im not sensitive then i never felt it while traveling in different country
somber oracle
japanese being lke most prime example next to america
zealous sky
i went into germany , england , netherlands, poland , hungary , belgium , luxembourg , switzerland and denmark
and was ok as a stranger in vacation to ask stuff and all
at least i did an effort to talk in their native language
somber oracle
wow
zealous sky
but i would admit , when an english speake rjust come and ask me in english, without slowing down , where to find X or Y ...
im not the nicest person
when i answer back
somber oracle
I understand
zealous sky
you can speak french as bad as you want xD i dont care , but do an effort
somber oracle
it's important to talk in local language
zealous sky
its being respectful imo
somber oracle
english speakers can be annoying on the way they assume everyone should speak english
zealous sky
well its told everywhere that english is the world language kappa
somber oracle
doesn't matter
zealous sky
was more they found a reason to dont give a sh**
somber oracle
seriously not many people cares about knowing english despite government force it on people since primary school
and even then people cannot learn english :DDD
zealous sky
i do cuz i like being on many community to learn stuff
and usually its english only server
somber oracle
yeah
somber oracle
if you have the interest on content that belongs to that language you gotta learn the language
true
zealous sky
you can at leas tbuy a book which has the basic sentence/question
somber oracle
if you have out of country intention you gotta learn english
yep
such books are must
I like the way they have example sentences you will need travelling in the country
zealous sky
my parents went with me during highschool in germany ( german was my firs language, outside of french i mean , at school )
they didnt know english or german
somber oracle
so you don't have to understand what you saying as long as it works
zealous sky
but they had 3 books to "speak" german xD
somber oracle
but the real drag is understanding other people :DDD
zealous sky
german people were nice and jsut showed on book or talked to me then i translated back to my parents
somber oracle
so how many languages you know?
zealous sky
i learned german and english at school , mostly use english only nowadays but i can still understand if a german speak/write to me with daily talking ( i cant write it anymore tho my brain has issue to find words but i recognize them when i hear/read them xD )
im learning mandaring cuz my brother wife is chinese
and i want to learn polish and at least one language that use the russian alphabet ( cyrillic )
if i can achiev this , i would be glad and might see later for more languages
somber oracle
nice
have fun learning the languages
I actually had interest to learn chinese to read some chinese books
zealous sky
its fun cuz i do it by speaking with natives
zealous sky
mandarin ... i thought writing and learning each caracter would be a pain
somber oracle
yeah
zealous sky
but the most difficult imo is to speak it
somber oracle
asian languages are easy to learn speaking-wise but hard to learn how to write and read
somber oracle
where? :DDD
zealous sky
"ton"
zealous sky
cuz in french we have "le ton " et "l'intonation"
and its the english word for ton that i need
somber oracle
the tone of intention? :DDD
zealous sky
guess its tone ye
somber oracle
I actually knew french long time ago
zealous sky
but ye , you have the same word but with differents tone and means something else each time
its confusing af
to learn the difference
and hear when you said it wrong
somber oracle
without sharing personal info I can say I was working as some kind of trader
so my client was sometimes french
they are ordinary common people as always therefore there was language barrier
most of these french I knew refused to speak english expecting me to speaking french
so I had no choice but to learn daily usage french for trading and related stuff
somber oracle
and conversation people wanna do afterwards even though it's not about business itself
nah it's ok
so I was actually decent at french then I forgot :DDD
zealous sky
Exactly me wirh german
I did what we call "european class" in highscool
Means you have more hour on the language
But you also have some lesson in the said language too
Like me i had 2 more german lesson hour
And i had in bonus 2 history hour in german
I was able to speak without issue when we did the exchange with some german teenager ( they came few weeks in our family and later it was us going to germany in their family)
And now
somber oracle
damn
somber oracle
I see
zealous sky
Cuz I stopped practicing
somber oracle
thought it's great advanced that german, french and english belong to same family of language of latin languages
somber oracle
that's why grammar and some words are similar sometimes enough for you to understand what a person saying
yep
zealous sky
Many words are similar
somber oracle
which was why I could easily learn french
zealous sky
German is a bit of an exception but still
somber oracle
yet I suck at french grammar
somber oracle
and words can have gender which is hard for me to get :DDD
zealous sky
And more form than singular and plural xD
somber oracle
like wall is male, floor is female
there is a certain logic I get and in that context it does make sense
yet gender is pointless for me :DDD
zealous sky
Neutral is an heresy but at least its similar to latin
zealous sky
yet gender is pointless for me :DDD
Something i like in english
somber oracle
we just use unisex word to mean a person
zealous sky
Well in french its the same as in english you can just say "they" haha
somber oracle
as I learn languages at some degree I compare it with my language and my language is seriously very easy lol
that's good
but it make it hard when word depending on gender
which makes me wonder
there are certain sentences depending on gender of the person you speak to
zealous sky
Tbh if a stranger confuses gender its not a problem
somber oracle
like ma chere amie
how can you guys use such stuff on internet without knowing the gender of the person?
zealous sky
Adjective depend on the gender ye
And some are tricky
Like belle is for woman
Beau for men
But you say un bel homme
Cuz its " prettier"
somber oracle
and there is "mon cher ami" for males I guess
zealous sky
Yep
somber oracle
when it's online it makes it weird 😅
zealous sky
French is hard tbh cuz so many exceptions
zealous sky
You say mon ami then
And if its a woman
Can just tell " oh i forgot the e my bad "
Ez
zealous sky
Well i dont say mon ami to random online lmao
And if im closer to them i usually know their gender
Then not an issue
zealous sky
so like a woman would offended if I said "ma cher ami" :DDD
Normally , no
Cuz you used "ma"
We arent that strict with non native speaker in general
If they dont put adjective based on gender
But some can find it offensive if you say mon instead of ma ye
but would be more someone in their 20's or younger
my age or older, less chance to happen
somber oracle
well sometimes I say it to people on internet when I know they know french and I feel like it :DDD
zealous sky
x)
be careful tho , saying "mon cher ami" or stuff like that when you dont know them a lot , like talking regulary with them or in dm
can be see as a way to make fun on them
somber oracle
well I had a friend from lebanon back then
her native language is technically french too
zealous sky
oh lebanon , i talk with one on an other server 😮
somber oracle
and she made a big deal on gender based usage of french :DDD
zealous sky
im always amused when he try to learn some french word to an american moderator
and me behind my screen" ye no ..."
zealous sky
and she made a big deal on gender based usage of french :DDD
dunno how its teached to them there tho
somber oracle
well this friend of mine used "mon cher ami" a lot
zealous sky
mon cher ami could be used in so many way
somber oracle
well like french people they speak french there as she explained to me
yet they I also spoke english
zealous sky
close friend, polite discussion , or to make the other person feel they crossed the line
somber oracle
so we were chatting in half english half french because why not
I see
well she was very friendly
zealous sky
like if someone start to act like we are close
and it snot the case
i would answer " mon cher ami" and continue my sentence
to point out , we arent that close
somber oracle
she liked to say simple stuff in french
like yes, no, any simple verb or generic sentences like good night
zealous sky
oh ok
somber oracle
well in her context he literally meant in close friend way
just some person who cares about close friendship
but bad aspect of it is being so needy and clingy
zealous sky
one annoying thing writing mostly in english online
when i answer back to friend, i think first in english xD
dont happen when i speak tho
zealous sky
but bad aspect of it is being so needy and clingy
lmao
zealous sky
ye but sometime i start to write in english , then delete and write again in french haha
somber oracle
was good friend but toxic so I had to remove her from my life
zealous sky
she was emotional vampire
its a girl kappa
somber oracle
she was just a person I couldn't fix lol
zealous sky
sadge
somber oracle
well I mean more like she destroyed herself when I try to fix her lol
zealous sky
🤔
somber oracle
one of those type who love it when their life has problems lol
so she finding problems that doesn't exist and expect me to fix it :DDD
zealous sky
in bonus of destroying iori by talking offtopic in generla, and destroying craftopia
you destroy girl too
wow
somber oracle
:DDD
zealous sky
would never have thought that about you
somber oracle
come on I'm no destroyer :DDD
yes sometimes we seem arguing with iori but I don't even dislike them
for me kinda disliking a person is pointless
zealous sky
if i take the time to argue with someone : i find it interesting or funny
somber oracle
people just being themselves so who am I to judge?
zealous sky
otherwise i just dont
somber oracle
naturally
zealous sky
people just being themselves so who am I to judge?
even more online
zealous sky
like i only encounter them on a server , no reason to care much enough to feel the urge to dislike someone
somber oracle
we have no choice but to be the person we are meant to be
zealous sky
I'm no religious but it's the only way to say it: it's how god created them
its how your parents made you 😄
somber oracle
well I can assure you no one had influence on how I turned out :DDD
zealous sky
im agnostic and i would never say thats how god created us x)
zealous sky
give me a gun , i will show you a good way héhé
somber oracle
all these chemicals, evolution and all the ancestors
you ended up having such a DNA
and therefore you are like this
people do have free will so they have a choice on their actions
but in not all aspect of ourselves we have a choice
certain things are hardcoded in our DNA to behave in particular way
zealous sky
like me being contrarian
somber oracle
like pride is one of this thing
everyone have their own trigger point
like in back to the future call marty chicken and no matter what he will wanna beat you :DDD
in your case your contrarian behavior is kinda something else actually
you like to play with ideas
zealous sky
i like to play with people , but have to do it through idea 😦
somber oracle
if you are interested in psychology behind for fun you can check MBTI
zealous sky
ye ik MBTI
somber oracle
it's not real science but at least fundamental idea is neuroscience-wise valid
so you are likely an ENTP
somber oracle
yeah
don't take it serious
but it's fun lol
like how carl jung said
such terms are just a way to make sense people
not for making it change world
zealous sky
they want a way to categorize themselves
somber oracle
or labelling people
zealous sky
there you go
somber oracle
yeah
but people shouldn't
everyone have their own personality type that's special for them
zealous sky
well thats how human society work , comparing your place to others 🤷♂️
zealous sky
they should have the 1vs9 mentality
somber oracle
even 2 identical twins who have the same DNA has different personality
so it makes MBTI BS
because memory has great effect on your personality
zealous sky
i mean even cells in your own body can feel things in different way x)
somber oracle
sure
also there is this thing:
some part of DNA gets activated only when you experience a certain life
that's one of the effect of memory that forms personality
zealous sky
some part of DNA gets activated only when you experience a certain life
well its kinda how mutation works , just on longer period
somber oracle
and chemically how it got activated and in what degree changes the way it effects a person
yeah
zealous sky
dunno if its used in english but in french an expression is : when chicken would have teeth to say it would never happen
somber oracle
also chemical state matters too
zealous sky
when in fact chicken had teeth and still have the place for them in their mouth
somber oracle
I see
zealous sky
just the environment made they lost their teeth
cuz not needed anymore
and its the same for human , DNA mutation on long term
and personnality on a human life
i see it this way* if i want to be accurate
somber oracle
I see
it's actually wise
having personality is important to make the best decision for yourself
zealous sky
the best decision you can make with the information you have at one moment
somber oracle
but for society the real problem is the fact that some people enforce their personality on others
zealous sky
or at least, the less bad one
zealous sky
but for society the real problem is the fact that some people enforce their pers...
well , if you could be influenced by your environment , ye its also from others humans too
somber oracle
part of being mature is being okay to make sacrifices
and when life gives you the bad option and worst option being okay to take the bad option because you have no other better option
so being a kid is crying for the fact that these options are bad and resisting against making a choice
zealous sky
i listened to an audio serie, sci fi one
and one character said " the most important thing humanity has to offer to the universe and the thing that should stay in others life form mind about human is : the sacrifice humans are able to make unconditionnally"
zealous sky
so being a kid is crying for the fact that these options are bad and resisting a...
life made you understand you gonna suffer in your life : it makes you cry when you come into this world 😄
zealous sky
having personality is important to make the best decision for yourself
also why i hate our society : it "forces" people into being sheep
like i encountered many people who thought differently than the group ( like at their job, at school , with their friend) but they act like they agree with everyone else and smile and then complain when they are alone
bruh no , a part of the fun imo with friend and such , is also having different opinion on some topic while you laugh when you agree on some others
welp , 4 am , got no sleep last night ( and did my work shift + party with friend ) , guess i will go to bed and try to sleep if i want to dont be a zombie during sunday afternoon
see ya , take care
somber oracle
yeah sorry for seeming to ignore you
just a friend presented me serious stuff I had to offer my help
somber oracle
i listened to an audio serie, sci fi one
and one character said " the most impor...
sacrifice is something sometimes you have to do because there is no other way
kids try to make their life get better and better
at some point you understand you already died and that future didn't happen yet
so in reality your life getting worst and worst
so the point of life is not being materialistic and owning stuff, the point of life is living it
people work hard and they have everything but they tend to forget enjoy living
they don't actually do what they want to do
when you be mature you realize life is not something you can win because by being born you already lost so the goal is not losing more
at the end the person who lose less is the guy had the best possible life
so what losing means depends on you
but fundamentally the most important thing you shouldn't lose is your personality
if you let yourself lose it you will be no different than a ghost in your own body
it means being a zombie
losing your humanity
not feeling anything good or bad
or only thing you feel is the pain of your own existence
quiet iron
wise words
somber oracle
life is the best teacher and I try to be its decent student :DDD
somber oracle
also why i hate our society : it "forces" people into being sheep
society itself doesn't force anyone for anything
like if you hate the way society is you can easily live in some random jungle :DDD
but if you live in a society you better be the right person for the sake of having the best life you have
quiet iron
you can love society and hate working
somber oracle
in that regard most people try to be like that
quiet iron
society's convenient tbh
somber oracle
I will never say being kind is being a sheep
quiet iron
the world is rotten to the core but it runs well
somber oracle
and some people are a wolf in sheep skin :DDD
why world is like that is natural process of how people are
its only natural like why it rains :DDD
so if you don't want society to get rid of you you better play along
it involves being fake and ignoring your own persoanality
this is kinda why I said sacrifices is must in this life
no one fully can be themselves in this life
it has 2 reason
- society has rules
- what you want is impossible in this life
for example you may be a person preferring to walk naked in the city but society forbids you
you can be a kid and complain about society that they forbid it and cry in a corner
you can still walk naked around the city and it will make society punish you
or you can make a sacrifice of wearing clothes on and thus walk around the city
which bring us to the another condition required to be mature that's making compromises
it also includes finding harmony in your life
so you can be nude all you want in your house who cares
in its own way home is great tool for a person to put their social mask off and recharge by being themselves so they can get ready being a decent actor/actress for the next tv series called the real life™️ :DDD
in that context most people faking it with social masks
it's like playing persona 5
you put a mask on and in battles you use your persona to deal with life
you name yourself and it has the purpose of why you live your life
zealous sky
society itself doesn't force anyone for anything
Society does cuz society is made of people
And its the pressure that force them or educate them to be like that
And they dont even notice it after a while
zealous sky
Its just how they live
somber oracle
it depends on how you see it
it's like a kid seeing education system something forced on themselves like it's a punishment
zealous sky
And you can be yourself by letting the society know you dont act as you want to do
Since society has rules
somber oracle
in reality education system is for making you useful citizen and for a person it means a chance to get a job
zealous sky
it's like a kid seeing education system something forced on themselves like it's...
Dont think so
A kid dont understand why they have to
Adult should do
somber oracle
or using what education system provide them to be a person they want in the context of what they can
zealous sky
And problem is : many adult dont even see an issue on how they act or live on many aspect of their life
It became natural
somber oracle
society doesn't force anything
zealous sky
It does through social pressure
somber oracle
if you want go naked
zealous sky
And iit comes from society
somber oracle
no
somber oracle
society cannot prevent you from walking naked on the city
zealous sky
I didnt say prevent
somber oracle
can you understand my point?
zealous sky
I said stop you
somber oracle
take a gun and kill anyone who wanna dress you :DDD
you don't understand my point :DDD
give me example on GTA
you play the game
zealous sky
I do but at the end society gna stop you and its a fact
somber oracle
steal the car
police will try to catch you
you just run away
you get the car
profit
zealous sky
Then you arent walking naked anymore
somber oracle
nope
zealous sky
They stopped you then
somber oracle
you are naked
somber oracle
they don't have to be able to stop you if you can prevent it
zealous sky
You are anked but not walking in the city anymore
You run , you drive a car
But not walking as at the first moment
somber oracle
I call this society brainwashed you
zealous sky
Its fact: if you drive a car you arent walking anymore
somber oracle
in cartoons they brainwash kids for if they don't obey to society heroes will always defeat the evil
bruh
zealous sky
Then whatever you say , by running away from them , they stop you walking naked
Thats it
You have to do smth else
You can still do smth
But not what you wanted first
somber oracle
why they have to 100% stop you lol
zealous sky
1) society has rules
Hmm
somber oracle
you can find a way to prevent society from doing something about it
zealous sky
And they will stop you cuuz of it
zealous sky
I i just showed it does with your walk naked example
somber oracle
it's a matter of what they wanna do
zealous sky
And what they wanna do gonna interupt you
somber oracle
so if you are weak who cannot protect yourself from society you better play along to society
another example:
a girl is mentally weak AF
zealous sky
Not what i said
But dont affirm : you are still walking naked
When you literally said later : you can steal the car and run away
somber oracle
her classmates make fun of her because she never had sex
somber oracle
another example
zealous sky
Funny how you accept you say the same stuff but i cant xD
somber oracle
the girl in highschool making fun of by other girls in her class for still being virgin
so the girl has a choice to care about it
or not
zealous sky
the girl in highschool making fun of by other girls in her class for still being...
You beat the hell out of them
zealous sky
It forces her to be hurt by it, inconsciously
At least at one point
Not forever sure
But it will for a sec , a min , a week , a month
somber oracle
so the whole matters is not about being forced or something
it's all about some people obey some don't
zealous sky
And you are
Whatever you want
The thing is : you can react
somber oracle
submissive or rebels
zealous sky
Thats the choice you have
But having this choice doesnt change something was out of your control first
somber oracle
she doesn't have to be hurt
zealous sky
She still is
somber oracle
why?
zealous sky
why?
Cuz its instinctive reaction based on your personality
And lets say you arent hurt
You still are forced to heard them at one point
The choice is : do you care or not
But doesnt change the start : you want stop smth if you dunno if it will happen
Esp in this example
If its during class or else lets say
somber oracle
you use the word "forced" in wrong way though
zealous sky
Imo no
somber oracle
forced is something done to you when you don't want it to happen
zealous sky
Its against your will you have to be put into a situation,, and then you can do a choice
Its being forced
zealous sky
forced is something done to you when you don't want it to happen
Cuz she want to be bullied cuz she is still a virgin ?
somber oracle
like you don't wanna eat soup and you run away from it but your mother chain you to bed and force drink you
somber oracle
bruh
zealous sky
In any of your example xD
somber oracle
you have the idea on what's forced yet when it's about the real life situation how you can misunderstand it?
they are very wrong statements
zealous sky
I dont
I just apply it to your example when i can apply it to many aspect of our current life
As adult
somber oracle
IDK how I can make it more simple than it's
so I can only make example on my own existence here in this server
zealous sky
You make it simple
And i explain simply too why its not the case
somber oracle
for example
when we talk about stuff that's not about craftopia on general iori come and say us "take it to offtopic"
so do you think iori force this on us?
zealous sky
Ans you are forces to or modeearor should do a punishment
somber oracle
it's not a force at all
somber oracle
bruh
zealous sky
I make it simple too
somber oracle
to make a point to you I will just don't be okay to the request of iori and shit on #craftopia-general
you sound like we obey
somber oracle
in reality iori make a request and we kindly accept
zealous sky
So ye or you obey or you are punished
somber oracle
hell no
zealous sky
Its a reality
And if you arent its cuz they dont do their job
somber oracle
thinking like that is childish AF
somber oracle
seriously thinking like that will make you suffer about stuff you have no reason to suffer lol
zealous sky
And i dont
somber oracle
bot did
zealous sky
it doesn't matter
My point still stand
somber oracle
you may obey iori but I don't
zealous sky
And if you do and they do their job , you will have a ractiok from moderation
I dont say you have to care
But will happen
somber oracle
do you think I wouldn't know the bot will mute me when I say it?
somber oracle
yeah
zealous sky
Cant break it again while you are muted
zealous sky
If you dont want to be muted over and over you have
But ye you have the coice to continue
somber oracle
what they can do is preventing me to do the next thing I would do
zealous sky
But while muted, cant do it
somber oracle
yeah the thing is this is not matter of wanting or not wanting
zealous sky
what they can do is preventing me to do the next thing I would do
While i said rhey gna stop after you do smth
And not they prevent before
somber oracle
like you said you wouldn't care to be banned before
so you don't mind what you say to admin and moderators
zealous sky
yeah the thing is this is not matter of wanting or not wanting
It is
And from your " you gna suffer" earlier
I dont xD
somber oracle
so you already get my point
zealous sky
I dont give a shit about
zealous sky
But the definition of being forced exist and its this
somber oracle
if you had you would care about what you say
zealous sky
I can make the choice to dont care and break it
But if you care and want to stay you are forced to follow rules
Thats my point
somber oracle
ok
"if" is good there
that if statement is not valid for everyone
that's why X person can feel pressure of their own classmates and Y person never felt it at all
it bring us to this fact
zealous sky
Doesnt change its forcing people to follow rule if they want to stay in this or that thing etc
Aftee ye you have the choice to dont care ans dont follow theses rules but society have punishment for thoses cases
somber oracle
if people in general was forced crime wouldn't exist
people kill whoever they want
who can stop it?
nothing
zealous sky
Forced doesnt mean you cant break it whenever
somber oracle
if you want you can assassinate putin
zealous sky
But at one point , one thing happen
somber oracle
who can 100% stop it?
somber oracle
Doesnt change its forcing people to follow rule if they want to stay in this or ...
different way to see society for sure
zealous sky
Im seeing it how it is actually
somber oracle
which I never saw it like that
zealous sky
Social pressure , law in each country
somber oracle
they do exist
zealous sky
And its for a reason
somber oracle
but it doesn't make me feel forced at all
zealous sky
You dont feel forced doesnt mean you arent tho
Like f.e manipulation exists to make peoole feel they do things cuz they want it
somber oracle
I would only feel forced if government implemented a chip for me that shock me everytime I have bad thoughts :DDD
zealous sky
Wont be different as any punishment you have in society
It happens after you have the bad thoughts
somber oracle
manipulation is very different subject thought
like when you are a parent you guide your kid for not doing something stupid
zealous sky
The shock for bzd thought isnt different than prison if you kill someone
You did something , they react
somber oracle
it's a form of manipulation called parenting
zealous sky
And later you feel you were manipulated and want to act your way
And not always as how parents want you to
Ofc sometime you do cuz you understand it was for your own sake
somber oracle
a society forcing stuff on people is like a world in 1984
zealous sky
Like noy running on the highway
zealous sky
a society forcing stuff on people is like a world in 1984
Its just deeper than what we have rn
More extreme if you prefer
somber oracle
if you are not living in military or afganistan or something you are not actually forced for anything
somber oracle
you do really have pessimistic take on world
zealous sky
Here we dont kill
You have prison , "bill" ? Cuz dunno the english word
somber oracle
electrical bill and whatnot?
zealous sky
you do really have pessimistic take on world
Well trying to see the world as it is , the closer i can from a human pov , its being pessimistic , ok i sign
No like
You are higher than speed limitation
You have to pay smth
somber oracle
I see
zealous sky
Dunno the english word
somber oracle
well people intentionally commit crimes and pay money for it
in their own POV it's like buying a licence to commit a crime
zealous sky
I mean more like sometime you are at 110km/h
The road goes down a little
You reach 120
Paf
somber oracle
mhm
somber oracle
I see
somber oracle
damn lol
somber oracle
see you are not forced at all :DDD
somber oracle
:DDD
anyway to get back at the topic
crime exist in society because society cannot force rules
it makes some people don't care rules
somber oracle
if rules were forced people couldn't commit a crime
zealous sky
I mean in 1984*, peoole could commit crime
somber oracle
so the prime reason for why people commit crime is they are free people
zealous sky
If crime isnt everywhere , its cuz they arent that much free
They fear the consequences
somber oracle
if you wanna stop crime you gotta take the freedom awa
zealous sky
Social pressure , justice pressure
zealous sky
if you wanna stop crime you gotta take the freedom awa
Kill every human then
somber oracle
true
but you gotta see these are not a force per se
people have free will
so they choose to commit crime or not
somber oracle
and basically it depends on whatever they want
zealous sky
They dont for a reason
somber oracle
even without rules some people don't commit crime
zealous sky
Th fear of consequence is from rules of society
somber oracle
rules doesn't exist to prevent crime
zealous sky
They exist to gain money then ? XD
zealous sky
even without rules some people don't commit crime
Rules in a group , rules in a family
somber oracle
governments using BS rules to earn money lol
zealous sky
yeah that's seriously a way lmao
I mean rules exists since century
And wasnt wirh money at the end in many era
But ye in our era , its a reason to
But not the only one
zealous sky
they exist to make a person don't commit crime
It prevent crime then ? Or i miissunderstand prevent meaning ?
On that one i admit im not sure
somber oracle
rules are just something what you did will make certain consequences happen to you
nothing in this world currently can prevent crime
law system doesn't exist to punish
somber oracle
it does exist to make people don't be sinner and fixing social problems
zealous sky
Well from many website , prevent mean what i thought
somber oracle
because some people need jail time so they get their senses
zealous sky
they exist to make a person don't commit crime
Then ye law are to prevenr crime
Put fear in people mind then they dont comit crime
somber oracle
in that context it's right call to jail a person when they may seem like they will likely to commit crime again
somber oracle
no
law system doesn't exist to prevent crime
because it's unrealistic to think it can prevent crime
zealous sky
Peoole dont break law cuz they dont want to face rhe conséquences
It prevent crime
Not all
somber oracle
not necessarily
somber oracle
who cares about law? only some people who fear from stuff
somber oracle
in that context only they force to don't commit a crime
so they prevent themselves from committing crime
zealous sky
who cares about law? only some people who fear from stuff
Most of people in most of modern country
XD
somber oracle
so in reality law system doesn't force or prevent anything
it's the people who do it to themselves
zealous sky
so they prevent themselves from committing crime
They prevent cuz law exists
If they prevented themselves
They wont need the fear of llaw and punishment
somber oracle
They prevent cuz law exists
yeah
somber oracle
They wont need the fear of llaw and punishment
some don't
zealous sky
Again ofc some dont
somber oracle
some do
somber oracle
that's wrong way to see it
zealous sky
I mean wah more than current amount
somber oracle
people do commit crime
zealous sky
that's wrong way to see it
I see how it is?
somber oracle
basically most people download pirated content
zealous sky
And compared to a society without law , its minimal
zealous sky
basically most people download pirated content
Its not a crime :D( ye im nitpicking but dont care about this one xD)
zealous sky
people don't fear from law system
Consequences are from law system
somber oracle
they fear from likely possibility that law system caught them and and make them spend jail time
zealous sky
Still a consequence of law system
somber oracle
yeah
zealous sky
Its not cuz they were caught i agree
But without this fear , more crime , by fzr , would be comit
Im wondering
somber oracle
it doesn't have to be fearsome
zealous sky
Does your country do the difference between crime and delit( im gonna search the word in english)
somber oracle
law system for people at most make people basically don't want that outcome
like it's just a slight bother
zealous sky
It works , dont need more
somber oracle
a person may never murdered someone but that person may be like "I can kill him and spend my time in jail like it's big fuss"
zealous sky
Does your country do the difference between crime and delit( im gonna search the...
Difference between a crime and an offense ( didnt found a better term for it with a quick research )
somber oracle
so one of the big reason why a person never killed a person is they never had a reason for it
when a person really wants to murder someone they always do
zealous sky
Divorce , anger , bully ?
somber oracle
so once they may scared of shit when they think about cops
zealous sky
It would happen more often without law
somber oracle
so once they are blinded by rage and shit they don't care about law system
zealous sky
Ye but they would have done it before if law wasnt a thing
They have to reach the blinded by rage to dont care about
somber oracle
cannot say it for sure
somber oracle
most people have the idea that they can run from law
like they can murder and never get caught
somber oracle
but what really prevent people from doing fucked up shit is called morality
sense of morality makes people ignore law
that's why they feel entitled to murder someone for justice
or no matter what they don't hurt people
zealous sky
but what really prevent people from doing fucked up shit is called morality
Morality has a value only in a society
somber oracle
good thing is any decent law system written upon common sense that involved sense of morality
for example rape is bad
normally who would even rape anyway?
murder is bad
why murder anyway?
don't drive too fast
yeah don't if you wanna keep breathing
so do you really fear from law system and feel forced?
I honestly don't
anything in society has 0 effect on me
I do commit the crime sure
I cannot be bothered by society
even in army I did break most of law
but I was never forced to do anything for breaking the law
because no one knows I broke rules
real life is not a game so it doesn't have system to magically realize you committed a crime
even some cops don't care about you broke some simple rules
because they don't wanna bother with your sorry ass and fill file report on your petty crime
even judge would be like "bruh why they bought you here for such BS trivial crime?"
so he says "GTFO" :DDD
why crime exist part of people do whatever they want because they have the personality
so forcing law system on people would be trying to prevent crime from happening and this would make people rebel and destroy the government
cannot pull off 1984 BS on a society that has way more citizen than cops and soldiers
in that regard 1984 has the same point I try to make here
despite of such society people did commit crime
even such BS society couldn't force anything on people
and there was a movie I watched when I was a kid but forgot its name or story
but its plot is very memorable
zealous sky
real life is not a game so it doesn't have system to magically realize you commi...
Rly ? Who knows !
zealous sky
why murder anyway?
I have plenty reason in mind
somber oracle
a man and woman basically escaped from a society forces everything on them so they escape to jungle and live as a free people
zealous sky
yeah don't if you wanna keep breathing
I have reason to drive fast tbh
somber oracle
ok you have your reasons
zealous sky
even some cops don't care about you broke some simple rules
Dont be cops then xD
somber oracle
law system is like a mother
zealous sky
anything in society has 0 effect on me
No effzct on you but have one on many peoole
My bad was muted cuz forgot the j word
somber oracle
and rules are like "don't go outside when it's night"
zealous sky
Bad habit
somber oracle
"don't talk to strangers"
zealous sky
and rules are like "don't go outside when it's night"
Its a rule ?
Like im serious xD
somber oracle
and when you do something your mother dislike you are slapped and yelled :DDD
mother rules yes :DDD
zealous sky
and when you do something your mother dislike you are slapped and yelled :DDD
Dont be caught
somber oracle
oh yes
that's why a mother cannot force anything on her child
she can just express their own desire on what you should do and not
zealous sky
Just to say a word on dont drive too fast: i like rhe sensation and good way to relax imo
Ofc i dont do it with peoole arounn but alone... ohlala
somber oracle
it's upto you to obey or not
or you can naturally don't do anything your mother doesn't want because you are such person anyway
so it's not obeying
you just being yourself
zealous sky
Dna from your mother ans father
You obey through dna
Manipulatioooooooon
They did experience on you while you were inside your mother body
somber oracle
I only obey to my own personality :DDD
somber oracle
I'm a natural rebel :DDD
somber oracle
so I do have generic rebel idea on not feeling forced, not feeling manipulated and not being controlled
I can easily explode myself instead of obeying
zealous sky
so I do have generic rebel idea on not feeling forced, not feeling manipulated a...
True man show was like that hehe
somber oracle
my type of people started french revolution
somber oracle
lmao
zealous sky
Interzmesting to know how french revolution started btw
Before it went all this " popular movemnt"
somber oracle
vive la france!!! :DDD
zealous sky
And it wasnt peoole like you who started it xD
somber oracle
awww
somber oracle
you said it like I cannot start a revolution :DDD
zealous sky
But cuz others people started and they thought it was the good moment to join
somber oracle
sure
zealous sky
you said it like I cannot start a revolution :DDD
Not one like french revolution at least
somber oracle
hype train always existed :DDD
zealous sky
Bleh
somber oracle
I do have a secret plan for vive la earth project™️
somber oracle
You are a girl 👀
is it generic french take on it? :DDD
zealous sky
https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-thumbs-up-good-job-gif-19881379
Lmao this joke
zealous sky
is it generic french take on it? :DDD
Its worldwide
somber oracle
nah
zealous sky
Its a thing in many country at least
somber oracle
wasn't there a french woman who started like another revolution?