🔩┃trilogy_modifications

[stone osprey]

ii lmao

II

yes

[merry forge]

yeah

II

[onyx belfry]

I'm a mirrored gun appreciator.

[merry forge]

2

[bright wigeon]

12000 ru for this one

[stone osprey]

bet you also like watching movies mirrored

[onyx belfry]

Because it gets your jimmies in a twist.

[stone osprey]

it doesnt

thats the only exception i have

[bright wigeon]

My brain... MY BRAIN AAA

[stone osprey]

for guns

[onyx belfry]

tbh, I only liked mirrored weapons in stalker only

[merry forge]

true

[onyx belfry]

Do I prefer that they were not? Yes.

[bright wigeon]

Based

[onyx belfry]

You're talking to someone who got into the franchise since 2019.

[bright wigeon]

Based of bazingga

[bright wigeon]

far from based

[stone osprey]

why do i have this on my pc

[bright wigeon]

My opinion
You opnion

[onyx belfry]

First time playing SoC, I tried using AA2, HD Models, OWR

[bright wigeon]

After you installed stalker you get a slav virus that make you go into the slav culture

[bright wigeon]

Wtf

[onyx belfry]

But I sucked it up and stuck with only using ZRP, that re-animated weapon mod with mirrored weapons, and photo realistic zone.

[stone osprey]

bro booted up SoC and while watching the cutscnene my monitors turn off and my gpu died

SoC killed my gpu

im not even kidding

[bright wigeon]

You are almost in the stalker verse

[onyx belfry]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/photo-realistic-zone-2

[stone osprey]

kills my gpy

[bright wigeon]

This happened with my pc while i was playing postal 2 when i was 13

[stone osprey]

yes

gpu

[stone osprey]

damn

im usging my old cpu

on my tiny ass mobo

that i planned to sell

i have a ASROCK Z590 EXTREME

AND I CANT USE IT

[neat dune]

f4#0048 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[stone osprey]

CAUSE IT DOESNT HAVE INTEGRATED GRAPHICS

[neat dune]

f4#0048 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[neon socket]

Good wolf

[neat dune]

abalyonSS#9928 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[stone osprey]

remove bot

[neon socket]

Wolf won't leave that easy

[stone osprey]

downvote wolf

[neon socket]

Wolf been around longer than most of the stalkers here

[onyx belfry]

"Come over here we need to talk"

[neon socket]

I don't think wolf swings that way

[onyx belfry]

And then meets his demise by spawning in a firepit.

[stone osprey]

yes

[bright wigeon]

Thats not wolf

Wolf is in a flame barrel since 2008

[stone osprey]

i know

[neon socket]

Maybe he faked that

[bright wigeon]

Thats fanatic with his fake account

[stone osprey]

i had to switch to my older mobo

to my asus prime h310h r r2.0

[neon socket]

Ahhh that's more understandable

[stone osprey]

me neither

should we kiss?

why

its only right

i have socks on

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[onyx belfry]

You do it through current status

[stone osprey]

i am racist

so its kinda correct

why?

wtf

[onyx belfry]

[bright wigeon]

Tf is going on here

But im not gay, i have relationship with women and sex with men

[stone osprey]

wtf is call of chernobyl

is it good for call of pripyat?

[bright wigeon]

Paradise

[stone osprey]

for CoP?

[bright wigeon]

Coc is standalone he dont need cop

Also call of chernokyl is better

[stone osprey]

wha

[bright wigeon]

It even had a @merry forge canon npc

With cool dialogues like "i hope I'm not a hd model"

[bright wigeon]

CocK is the future my son

[merry forge]

sheeeit

[spare mantle]

#💬┃en_offtop for memés

🤓

also

!warn 514171005451763715 no cuss

[neat dune]

abalyonSS#9928 has been warned

Reason: no cuss

[spare mantle]

!warn 575030243941679125 no cuss

[neat dune]

f4#0048 has been warned

Reason: no cuss

[stone osprey]

WHAT

bruh is this kindergarden?

am i supposed to say frick?

crap?

poop fart

@neon socket

us

[spare mantle]

.

[neat dune]

abalyonSS#9928 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[stone osprey]

s wodr

menace

fr

AM A LONER TOO

[neat dune]

f4#0048 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[spare mantle]

xddd

[bright wigeon]

wtf you guys did that even the mod have to come here to warning yours

[stone osprey]

remove wolf

[spare mantle]

no cuss bru

[stone osprey]

shut up man

this bot sucks ass

[bright wigeon]

[stone osprey]

i will die standing then live kneeling

[spare mantle]

ok

[bright wigeon]

Bro, your name is already red, why not join duty?

Also, do you know how the waypoint flags work on the path_walk logic of the stalker AI? Or even how to set one path walk?

[crimson fox]

how do i connect mods together? im trying to make an modpack for my self for COC but i cant figure out how to make all of the mods function together

[ebon tusk]

If you wish to make compatibility layers for mods and create modpacks you'll need to learn LUA scripting

Then you'll need to learn at the very least the basics of how modding the X-ray engine works

[crimson fox]

what

im 100% sure i combined mods together for coc before and it worked normaly

without having to do all that stuff

[ebon tusk]

well I did say make compatibility layers and balance the mods
If you want to smash mods together halfhazerdly and put them online then why not a simple txt file that tells ppl where to find the mods and the install order

[crimson fox]

well i understand your point but also you gotta understand that im kindda trying to put some shit together in 5minutes and not learn a whole coding language and base of coding for an outdated engine

mybe not 5min but you knwo what i mean

[ebon tusk]

Well if you want to do it th quickest way without needing to learning anything,just package the mods rar files with the instructions and load order
I have another idea but this one I don't know if it will work,I never tried it but it should in theory,create a new folder and extract the mods in order into that empty folder as tho you were installing them into the game folder then zip that folder,that should work

[crimson fox]

alright gona try that

it worked thanks

[ebon tusk]

Be sure to credit the mod creators

[crimson fox]

im not uploading that online i dont even know where i could upload that [or why more spcificly]

[austere bison]

Like I ever said that

If anything, I just stated that gamma discord is bigger than stalker official discord and EFP discord combined. Which is just adding and comparing numbers

[onyx belfry]

What made you leave C-Con?

Cuz I heard you can't take criticism on your mod.

[bright wigeon]

He is suffering too many effects of highly exposure to radiation, leave him fang there's nothing we can do

[onyx belfry]

That makes perfect sense.

[bright wigeon]

You will need to learn lua, 3d modeling,, how stalker scripting works and also learn how to work with dds images

I'm also making my own version of coc

With a lot of helping from the community and my buddy's

[austere bison]

Lol. If there’s anything about me that you should know is that I can discuss about any critics for hours with anyone.

How many DAYS I spent discussing the ballistics overhaul for instance… and valid critics were made and I adjusted everything according them.

Hell on gamma discord we have a suggestion channel and all the valid criticism made and well thought is included in the game at some point… Im developing this WITH the community.

I left CCon because I hate people randomly shitting on something they have no clue about because they didn’t try it. Also, they are the biggest gatekeepers around, like if you don’t like SoC unpatched version of stalker you are a mud stain under their shoes, and I simply hate this mentality which is what makes most of the stalkers communities unwelcoming.

I joined CCon to engage with Dark Signal people. But Dark Signal development is halted until further notice, and Shrike uploaded his work on moddb and we PM often, so I don’t need to have the CCon random negativity and gatekeeping to engage with the people that matters for me. That’s why I left it.

[onyx belfry]

edit champ

[neat dune]

PenumbralPeridoxide#9118 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wicked kernel]

why do i even bother

[cloud umbra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy0RUiarkZk

Stalker alpha with rtx
its horribly broken currently

the skybox warps around the player

[ebon tusk]

this is to be expected

[waxen berry]

"devs listen to criticism" no wonder gamma is only getting shittier

[austere bison]

Says someone that doesn’t even know what gamma is about

[waxen berry]

Anomaly modpack

[austere bison]

Such details, awesome

[waxen berry]

So automatically bad

[waxen berry]

I'm not going to write an entire essay on what anomaly is about, especially since you already know it

[austere bison]

It’s also untucking 95% of the flaws accumulated during the last years in Misery, Last Day etc

[austere bison]

It’s just your wish to like story driven games

[waxen berry]

Gamma

[austere bison]

Which is totally fine

[waxen berry]

No, I just like good games

I've played plenty of sandbox games with no story, and they were good because the mechanics were actually fine

[austere bison]

You sure tried gamma

[waxen berry]

Gamma has many different flaws in its game design that have nothing to do with genre

[austere bison]

Please enlighten me

In before « can’t buy guns and armors »

[waxen berry]

1. You need multiple different healing items to restore your HP, this is just over-complicating the gameplay without any advantages and could've been handled much better
2. There is a general lack of actual side quests that aren't randomly generated, and the randomly generated quests are greatly flawed in that they're not balanced accordingly so you can get a quest that sends you to red forest for little gain, and another that sends you to a close area for a decent pay
3. Making acquiring armaments a much more difficult task for the sake of increasing grinding, it has been proven in other mods and games that you can make weapons and armor difficult to acquire without inflating the economy or making you kill multiple different enemies to break their weapons and get a new, not so decent weapon
4. The artifact system, the artifacts in containers idea was nice but the artifacts themselves should've been stronger and more unique to warrant using them besides the radiation removing artifacts

[waxen berry]

Like I said, the purpose of the mechanic was fine but the execution was terrible and could've been handled much better

[lunar kettle]

the artifacts in containers idea was nice
No it's not, it's just more useless dead weight you get

Not that it matters since artifacts were always a complete meme in these muh realism mods

Misery and it's consequences and so on

[waxen berry]

The idea itself was nice, NLC 7 handles it much better

Looks like he's writing a long rant

Get ready, fellas

[austere bison]

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

1. It’s simply to increase the survival side of the game. Cutting the medical items completely to just medkits would have been easy, but it makes the system less interesting imo. Ultimately you can take risk and just spam medkits which trivialises the game. You can remove that system if you don’t like it anyways.
2. Quests are indeed a flaw in base Anomaly. Gamma improves it a bit, but more effort could be made indeed. Making interesting repeatable quest is hard, and I dedicate my effort towards reinforcing the core gameplay and progression rather than quests currently.
3. It is necessary to keep the progression interesting in a sandbox non story driven game. If you make acquiring gear really easy, you just farm south and then buy what you need and you are done for the gear progression, without taking any risk.
4. In gamma artefacts are so strong you can just use a light 5 slots armor filled with the best artefacts to maximise your resistances and tank everything.

[waxen berry]

We might be here all night long

[austere bison]

For point 3, imagine if Starsector would make the best ships buyable easily at any shop. That would suck major ass, and that’s exactly what base anomaly is doing with gear progression. Farm dumb easy quests south for 10 days, buy Exo and MK14 EBR and you are done.

[austere bison]

It’s more a matter of Carry weight management. Gamma makes containers really cheap to buy and rather lightweight. But you collect much more artefacts that’s why I made these changes

[austere bison]

It’s not a rant, I’m just answering

[austere bison]

NLC7 has one container containing 6 artefacts iirc

What’s the difference with having 6 small lightweight box for artefacts individually? Maybe inventory sorting, now if you have 3 boxes with 6 artefacts each that gets tedious to know what is where imo

[waxen berry]

1. You can make it stay as medkits only and make medkits rarer and harder to use mid combat, it will achieve the same gameplay effects as the current one but it will be less annoying. Having to manage multiple medical items just brings more item bloat.
2. Making each faction have different, handwritten side quests would be a good start. Right now, faction choice only affects 1. Your starting gear and location, but not by much to be balanced. 2. Your kill on sight ratio. Overall, the factions play a lot like each other besides the two points that I mentioned, since they get the same quests but in different dialogue lines
3. I agree with you here, but it could've been handled differently instead to achieve a better gameplay loop, I mentioned it before but NLC 7 handles artifacts and economy perfectly; you can't buy guns or armor with rubles, you need to search for artifacts. If you want to implement it in in a more grind-y way, you can make traders sell low to medium level weapons and armor, while for the endgame gear you need to do dangerous side quests for NPCs.
4. Maybe I got used to NLC artifacts but they were a bit better there; some artifacts could rebel mutants, others could be used in quests or to increase jump height

[waxen berry]

NLC has 3 containers, one that could store 8 artifacts and has basic radiation protection (most artifacts you can find could be placed here), one that could safely store capsules (these hold rare artifacts and need to be opened at traders) and the last cold store any artifact in the game (for quests)

[waxen berry]

Sorry if I came across as rude, you seem like a nice guy who wouldn't scream at me for not liking the "ultimate stalker experience" so I got used to not giving a crap about my manners while discussing those mods. Are you a gamma dev by any chance? From the way you talk, you sound like one

[ebon tusk]

Grok is the guy who made GAMMA

It's in the name actually G stands for Grok

[lunar kettle]

Wasting time writing essays
Lol, my man realism mods suck because they miss what the point of stalker is to begin with, they will suck no matter what they change or don't because that's the ditch they decided to dig

see:

If anything stalker should have been more wacky

MGR but it's an Ukrainian FPS basically

[waxen berry]

Nah, realism mods could be good

[lunar kettle]

Imagine having boss fights with a famous stalker who has an artefact that allows him to teleport around in short radius whilst metal or something plays in the background

[ebon tusk]

GAMMA isn't a bad modpack seen in the lenses os what it wants to be and it is true it fixes some issue with anomaly
It's just heavy'ly weighted on the realistic hardcore survival aspect and I feel like bashing it for doing what it wants to be well is kind of reductive

[waxen berry]

Exactly

I dont care if a mod wants to turn stalker into a waifu hunting simulator

If it's good at what it does, then it's good

[ebon tusk]

I can't give good criticism on GAMMA,I suck dick at criticising hardcore survival realistic games lmao

[lunar kettle]

It is what it is, making CoH into a wananbe Men Of War provokes nothing but a gagging reflex for me, the same applies here

[waxen berry]

Eh, waiting for Grok to answer my criticism

(tomorrow knowing my luck)

[austere bison]

I’m the gamma solo dev. Got some help here and there but I’m alone in the boat 90% of the time . It’s possible thanks to the awesome modding community that makes good addons that I can easily merge. But gamma has tons of stuff I developed myself indeed

[austere bison]

Drugs provide cool effects and entice crafting a bit more, that’s why I made these choice. As I said, you can disable this system 💚

Factions start having their own quest line in gamma already. Military have their own, Clear Sky as well. ISG story comes bundled with Anomaly. At some point I will make faction specific quest lines

3. With this I agree, NLC7 system is nice. But I prefer RNG dictating what you get. With the current gamma system, many players use gun they wouldn’t ever use, simply because they loot it with a good barrel. Imo it’s a good system that allows tons of replayability. Barter system getting you what you want means less replayability, which is fine for a story driven game (underrail, story driven stalker mods, etc) but which isn’t for gameplay driven games (anomaly, Starsector etc)

In gamma all the artefacts are useful, some have perks, other give awesome elemental resistances or physical res etc

About story lines, I would prefer a branching main quest rather than faction specific ones though 💚

[austere bison]

Realism > having gravity fields around Sin slowing your bullets down and having ISG using artefacts to teleport dodge your bullets

Gamma goal isn’t realism, it’s sandbox survivalism in the Zone, which involves crafting etc

Indeed it’s not respecting the OG trilogy spirit in the gameplay sense because anomaly isn’t story driven

Since Anomaly story sucks, if you make Anomaly with OG gameplay it would be simply bad imo

[cloud umbra]

Well its only the skybox that Is broken

[austere bison]

It’s better to simply play story driven mods like goldsphere etc

[waxen berry]

Quest lines, yes, but not many side quests, if any? I don't remember running into anything like that

3. The problem is that this also makes the game much more grind-y and random. You can run the NLC 7 system and make it random, decided at the start of a new game to avoid save scumming. You can, also, keep both systems so players who want a specific pool of rewards could get that, and keep some of the more powerful weapons behind either grinding or hard quests.

4. Fair enough, although at least making the arti containrr not related to the outfit (so light outfits won't rule) by using something like a belt (that gets upgraded through crafting) and adding transmutation for the powerful artifacts would definitely make it perfect (for a sandbox, since they're a lot less predictable when balancing compared to linear games)

Honestly, just adding side quests would fix a lot of the issues with anomaly and gamma

[ebon tusk]

it is to be expected that it'll take a substantial amount of time to get to the root of the issue

[waxen berry]

1. It would add more stuff to do, since you can't just depend entirely on a couple of randomly generated quests to enjoy the game
2. It would also allow more choices for players who don't want to bother hunting 24/7 for parts
3. Speaking of crafting, it could help you acquire stuff that helps with crafting like rare parts

[cloud umbra]

If we can find the texture and ignore it through rtx remix
It will definitely work

[ebon tusk]

The flood as started
We'll have to endure it

[cloud umbra]

The issue is that rtx remix menu weirdly doesnt work

[ebon tusk]

May God be merciful on our souls

[cloud umbra]

🙏

[austere bison]

The game is grindy only for newcomers… when you know what you are doing, on day 7 you can easily have expert toolkit and repair an Exo

If you take high risk and play well, you’ll get nice rewards and progress fast

[bright wigeon]

@merry forge where do we heard this story before ?

[austere bison]

?

[bright wigeon]

Stalker already have all that stuff

Gamma is a good mod, but its not a masterpiece

Only call of chernokyl and lost alpha are goty

[ebon tusk]

LADC has a belt mechanically which is poopoo

[neat dune]

Grok#2049 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bright wigeon]

I always put 126 9x18 bullets on my belt for no reason bc i only use my primary weapon on ladc ehehe
Also his level system are awful

[austere bison]

If only they get updated

[austere bison]

Also did I ever call gamma a masterpiece myself

[bright wigeon]

It is, and even got his own mod manager with auto downloadble addons

[bright wigeon]

Oh my bad average gamma fan

[austere bison]

And what’s the result ?

[bright wigeon]

Cool stuff?

[ebon tusk]

You do know he's the creator of the modpack

[bright wigeon]

On my bad

[austere bison]

Last info I have about coc are addons from 2017

[bright wigeon]

YOU MADE BROUGHT HELL TO THIS CURSED LAND

[neat dune]

Sylky#5506 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[ebon tusk]

Sylky forgot his meds

[austere bison]

Which seem obsolete nowadays

Also MO2 is a pretty good mod manager

[bright wigeon]

Help me up vasim, a rat stole my bag

[bright wigeon]

HA

[bright wigeon]

HAHA

[austere bison]

Well, just check for instance the SVU remodel and reanimation from BarryBogs for Anomaly

Now compare CoC gun packs

That’s what I mean

[bright wigeon]

Coc gun packs are good, not too much bvllshit, not too much far from owr they are good

Stalker don't need tatical bvllshit, it only need to make pew and kill the losers

[austere bison]

Guns reanimation and remodel doesn’t mean Tacticool stuff necessarily

And no, CoC packs aren’t that great

Otherwise Anomaly gun packs would be good

And they aren’t

[bright wigeon]

Theres nothing wrong with arsenal overhaul and stcop

[austere bison]

So many animations are just janky dude

[bright wigeon]

Dude i will not play gamma

[austere bison]

I’m not trying to convince you

[bright wigeon]

Stalker is already based on junky

Junky animations is just to fell more vanilla

[austere bison]

I’m trying to make you see what the modding community is doing and why people still work on stuff like gun animation

[austere bison]

Gatekeeping

[bright wigeon]

I really don't care

[austere bison]

Let’s just play SoC unpatched

[bright wigeon]

When do i say that you're wrong doing it?

[austere bison]

Perfect graphics and animations and gameplay

[bright wigeon]

I just say that i don't like it

Dude you will not convince me, theres no chance of that

[austere bison]

I’m not trying to anyways

Just pointing facts

[bright wigeon]

Oh no, you really don't

[bright wigeon]

"facts" hehehe

[austere bison]

I’m talking about one addon for instance, which isn’t even in gamma

[cunning herald]

and janky animations for vanila are fine as long as you want to play a game from 2007 some people cant handle them let´s not pretend that the og stalker series aged well.

[austere bison]

[austere bison]

Exactly

When stalker 2 will come gatekeepers will say it doesn’t have the SoC vibe

[bright wigeon]

Dude, i was saying about how i like to play, no what a teenager that start to play stalker by a YouTuber that show him anomaly as a standard stalker pattern will like

[cunning herald]

yo grok im not playing anomaly anymore but loved your moidpack

great work

[austere bison]

You just shit on what you don’t like and despise people that don’t share your vision

[cunning herald]

well what is the point of arguing then if it´s all personal pref at the end

[bright wigeon]

Oh my bad, did get sad ?

[austere bison]

Aka being toxic

[bright wigeon]

Its is about personal pref

[cunning herald]

...................

not sure what to say

to that

[bright wigeon]

Don't you get ? I was talking about why i not liked and them the queen of England starts to cry and get sad

[lunar kettle]

Does that even actually happen or is it just more pointless flavour text? The mod is even worse then i thought then

[austere bison]

This happens

[bright wigeon]

If like to play gamma, go get it

But i will play call of chernokyl aka cocK

[lunar kettle]

Identity crisis: the mod

[bright wigeon]

[neat dune]

Grok#2049 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bright wigeon]

Just wait for the hd models

[austere bison]

Never tried to make gamma a realistic milsim stuff

[austere bison]

They are actually awful

[bright wigeon]

If you say so

[austere bison]

And don’t respect the stalker aesthetic

[waxen berry]

1. Still grindy since you're doing repetitive tasks to get something
2. Isn't that literally proof that even gamma has progression issues?

[waxen berry]

Sorry bud, but it's not about personal preference

[bright wigeon]

They way i saw, you start a joke by trying to offend this community whe you came here comparing the numbers with your community and laugh at us, with is ok, its all about a good joke, but now you're crying when we laughed at your mod so stop that bvllshit dude

[waxen berry]

Despite what generic youtuber™️ says, video game design is objective

[cunning herald]

why are you using them they are not jank and dont feel close to vanila as you have said before.

[bright wigeon]

???????

[waxen berry]

Can you all shut up? Like Jesus christ, no one is even bringing proper criticism

[bright wigeon]

It totallys make sense bc i said i play gamma, Right, RIGHT?

[lunar kettle]

The body health system and pointless gimmicky weapon addons suggest otherwise

[bright wigeon]

No

More joke now

[cunning herald]

im very well aware of that but my man sylky does not bother to back up his claims through objective reasoning.

[austere bison]

Not really, if you know the mechanics, nothing can stop you

[bright wigeon]

On my bad, cope lord

[austere bison]

You mean keeping the base anomaly guns while there are much better animated ones around ?

[bright wigeon]

What is the point to him can't be the same point to others, but i guess is too hard to realize that, don't ya?

[waxen berry]

Balance and game design could still directly lead to realism

The body health system isn't a bad idea, my only problem is with the, separate, medical mod

[cunning herald]

well if you consider Anomaly the base for gamma and we know that anomaly is a product of a hardcore mod i.e. misery etc then no matter what you do it´s gonna feel realistic.

[lunar kettle]

It is, it really is

Again, i don't even know what the mod is trying to be now

[waxen berry]

That's not true, you can literally remove the realism elements if you want to

[ebon tusk]

Old World does a good job making anomaly more in line with the OGs I'd say,it doesn't go far enuff tho

[cunning herald]

but then it´s not anomaly anymore

[lunar kettle]

It's starting to sound like the beginnings of a soup mod, minus the actual quests you get in a soup mod

[ebon tusk]

GAMMA is not anomaly anymore
What's you're point

[waxen berry]

Anomaly has one of the worst balance and economy designs I've ever seen in a stalker mod

[cunning herald]

yea by making you play a game that is not anomaly anymore

[waxen berry]

And gamma is trying to fix Anomaly's mistakes and improve on it

[waxen berry]

So? You're fixing a mistake

[ebon tusk]

I don't understand the criticism or the point in this statement,can you put it in a simpler way so my small brain can understand

[cunning herald]

never said it´s the same but anomaly is the base on which gamma is built upon

[waxen berry]

And?

Your point?

[cunning herald]

agreed

[ebon tusk]

Anomaly is the base in which Old World is built upon

What do you want to get at?

[cunning herald]

do you really think gamma feels more closer to anomayl or old world ?

that is what im trying to say

[bright wigeon]

No much as CoM, you know too many radiation disease thrre

[waxen berry]

Neither

[cunning herald]

one has to be closer

[bright wigeon]

Indeed, i think that between those misery sons, anomaly is the must balance

[ebon tusk]

i don't understand why this is relevant to the question when all I was doing is pointing that Anomaly can in fact be brought closer to the originals

[austere bison]

Survival sandbox stalker

[bright wigeon]

Did you saw crash air? It's really crazy

[ebon tusk]

Hardcore Survival

[austere bison]

With unfucked and polished gameplay

[ebon tusk]

with hardcore survival realism gunplay

[cunning herald]

sure but if you are downloading anomaly what is the point of an addon that makes it vanila why not play vanila.

[waxen berry]

I don't know if I said thsi before but I'll say it again, adding handwritten side quests - with some RNG elements - would go a long way towards making the mod much better

[austere bison]

A lot of guns have minimalistic recoil, it’s not very hardcore

[bright wigeon]

What's the point of that discussion at all?

[ebon tusk]

Old World fixed a ton of issues with anomaly's balancing and systems by itself
It's not "pure vanilla"

I don't understand your point at all

[waxen berry]

It's an improvement over anomaly, sure, but it won't matter if you have awesome mechanics if the player only has random NPCs to test said mechanics on

[cunning herald]

obv it´s not but what adv or joy does it bring compared to just playing vanila soc or cs

that is the point

why not just play vanila

[waxen berry]

Faction choices

[waxen berry]

Vanilla is a pre set linear story with different endings

Anomaly is a sandbox

Old world is a sandbox

[ebon tusk]

BC you would not get the same experience case and point
Old World is still anomaly,it's still freeplay,SoC and CS aren't,they are VERY different

[austere bison]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications ?

[cunning herald]

emm sure i guess you have a point

[ebon tusk]

And it's not just BC I play a mod that makes the games morne in line with the gameplay found in the old games that they're equal,the experiences you get are massively different

[austere bison]

Discussing the current state of stalker modding

Not like 2017 state of stalker modding

[waxen berry]

Anyway, back on topic

[bright wigeon]

Whe talk here stuff to fix the mod, and i can't fix your mod

[waxen berry]

Where were we at before the anomaly and old world discussion?

[ebon tusk]

There's a place for many kinds of modding
Grok likes the hardcore survival aspect
I like the more original and arcady style
I see no problem or contradiction in this

[waxen berry]

Eh, I disagree

[austere bison]

Exactly this

[bright wigeon]

Than i need to fix you

Where is your system.ltx?

[ebon tusk]

Lol

[austere bison]

Changing system.ltx in 2022

[bright wigeon]

Get out here stalker

[ebon tusk]

?

[lunar kettle]

I still don't get why everyone is hoping onto Anomaly out of all the mods to use as a foundation

And then they usually just add the most worthless content

[ebon tusk]

It's easy enuff to mod for anyone with a basic knowledge on programming
Not like you have to redo the entire game to get the perks of having OpenXray64
This same thin happened when CoC dropped,everyone flocked to it and everyone was recommending it for some reason

History is a cyclical loop

[austere bison]

Nobody need to change that file, just make new ltx

[waxen berry]

Because its the most popular and mainstream

Anomaly is exactly like skyrim; people praise those two and say they're awesome, but in reality they're only enjoying them because they have 300+ mods

[lunar kettle]

Yea i figured tbh

Im also guessing the player retention of these mods is maybe a week or so?

[ebon tusk]

I don't see a problem with someone wanting to customize their experience to the fullest

[ebon tusk]

Just like CoC
6 hours,30 hours for the hardiest and up to 60 if the person likes sandbox games then the person will likely never again play a freeplay mod

[bright wigeon]

Based Wanga

[lunar kettle]

Your mod is one of them lmao

[bright wigeon]

It is, and its a soup one

That's why is so funny mocking the dude there

[lunar kettle]

🤨

[bright wigeon]

[austere bison]

Because the devs make modifications to the engine to improve the life of modders

[bright wigeon]

Coc is already 64bits

And cock is 128 bits window 13

[austere bison]

64bits has nothing to do with this

[ebon tusk]

Like I said,it's easier to use Anomaly has a base since Anomaly uses OpenXray64 than to make a game from he ground up using OpenXray64 itself

[bright wigeon]

Ok but it got reshades

[austere bison]

New callbacks, better access to weapons states etc

But you are a troll without any kind of knowledge in LUA scripting in stalker so whatever

[bright wigeon]

Man all you talk is about weapons, but how about the good old stalker stupid quests?

[bright wigeon]

If you say so

[austere bison]

New dialogue system is in

[bright wigeon]

Eww

[austere bison]

Makes the quest writing easier

Code-wise

[ebon tusk]

Sylky is learning stalker modding and LUA actually 🤓

Hahaha

[bright wigeon]

[austere bison]

Not showing the good spirit to do it

And you won’t make any progress hanging around here

[bright wigeon]

My bad, i don't want to be the king of modding community i just want to put my buddy's in my game

[austere bison]

I never wanted to be a king of anything

[ebon tusk]

I am not opposed to make anomaly a soup modpack,it would grant it more content by doing so

[austere bison]

Just do quality work and people come to love your projects and mods

[bright wigeon]

If you say so

[bright wigeon]

Is that simple? Wow

[austere bison]

What can I say. I didn’t do anything else

[bright wigeon]

Great

[austere bison]

Of course I paid YouTube and Drewski to have a 1.8Mil view video about gamma

[bright wigeon]

cool

[ebon tusk]

damn you

[austere bison]

That was sarcasm in case you missed it

[bright wigeon]

I also paid YouTuber to give me 7 likes, and they do

[ebon tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-shaking-fist-annoyed-gif-12578816

Those damn guntubber

Hahaha

[bright wigeon]

That's mocking in case you missed

[ebon tusk]

Cmon now guys don't fight

[waxen berry]

Never used

I tried to find any quest mods

None

Only one I found is outdated

[ebon tusk]

I'll try and change that

[bright wigeon]

We won't bc he needs to do the 3 hours healing animation before do something

[ebon tusk]

And I'm p sure Sylky is looking into it

[bright wigeon]

Task manager on misc than you need to make a certain script to make the stuff Spawn and integrate that to you dialogue id to trigger the event

[waxen berry]

The existence of anomaly says otherwise tbh

[austere bison]

There’s WTF which contains many tasks

[waxen berry]

People don't love quality work, at least not as much as mainstream work

[neat dune]

Grok#2049 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bright wigeon]

Doctor x teach me that beyond his grave

[austere bison]

But it’s very buggy

[ebon tusk]

I'm not sure you should apply that to the new versions of OpenXray64 which anomaly uses
Why don't you join their server and ask them for help in teaching you I'm sure they'll help you find the new functions

[bright wigeon]

That what you not catch bro, stalker is about buggy stuff

[bright wigeon]

Yeah theres some scripts that just not working at all

Weapons heating from the smurts hud, pda offline, the music overhaul

[ebon tusk]

Grok actually linked me some resources that you might find interestin long time ago,I'll send them to you later

[bright wigeon]

Good

The quest to find the pda with futa will became reality

[waxen berry]

Why

[bright wigeon]

Why not ?

[waxen berry]

Futa is not real

[bright wigeon]

It is, just like the albino chimera and the healing bullets

[austere bison]

Well, it can be fixed with enough patience

But WTF design is a bit flawed

[bright wigeon]

You said it buddy you said it

The npc logic is just hell

Me: go there dude here the coordinates
Npc: no way there's too many people there

[merry forge]

literally me

[bright wigeon]

Literally you

Tampico.exe

[austere bison]

Indeed

[bright wigeon]

You know the creator of the lost to the zone just reassign some path_walks to already existing smart terrain

[austere bison]

For GAMMA Larkin reworked some NPCs logic a bit

[bright wigeon]

I create new one to smart terrains that are previously populated by mutants, is just hell to set the beh@general stats but when work it work

[austere bison]

It’s « fine » but sometimes it doesn’t work and you don’t know why

[bright wigeon]

Stalker og devs are wizards of the junky

[austere bison]

Honestly had a hardest time recoding the damage system than changing few NPCs logic

[bright wigeon]

I prefer to not touch that, but the dude that creates lost to the zone* also create a custom damage for a monolith npc called eidolon

[austere bison]

Ah yes so it gets one shotted by a specific gun

[bright wigeon]

It's to trouble to me by change the logic on new smart terrains

[austere bison]

Yeah new smarts are a pain to make correctly

Look at Meadow in Anomaly….

[bright wigeon]

And also, i almost sure that the damage code is different for anomaly, so i think it's really hard :/

[austere bison]

The smarts logic is halved assed and the map is not really connected to the others in terms of logic 😦

[austere bison]

Anomaly makes it easier indeed

But I guess on before hit callback is available on all stalker engines

[bright wigeon]

YEAH, the path_walk stuff simply not work at all some times

[austere bison]

Recoding the actor damage was « fine » in Anomaly

The issue was mainly balancing every thing and making stuff as « what you see is what you get »

[neat dune]

Grok#2049 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[austere bison]

Like no more multiplicative resistances

[bright wigeon]

Oh :/

[austere bison]

Only additive with a hard cap

[bright wigeon]

I still use them, but the seva dudes are still gods

[austere bison]

Also no more immunities shenanigans

[bright wigeon]

But i like them

[austere bison]

They are simply hell to balance

And makes the system obscure for the player

[bright wigeon]

What system?

[austere bison]

Immunities and resistances

This is just a noodle bag and the displayed values are misleading +x%

Which doesn’t reflect ANYTHING

[bright wigeon]

Hm i got the ideia i think

[austere bison]

Immunities aren’t displayed

So while having a +20% damage res to mutants damage, snorks will do 0 damage because the hidden immunity stat protects you

Who ever imagined this was a good idea should simply be eaten by chimeras

[bright wigeon]

Some of my new armors do not show resistance stats some times

Also, look

Theres some old mod, very old mod

[austere bison]

So I made the system much simpler and what the player sees is actually what he gets

[bright wigeon]

With new armors very close to the vanilla

But some of them are really junk

[austere bison]

Same for gun stats etc

[bright wigeon]

Cool

[austere bison]

Momopate did a good job for gun stats and then I corrected the formulas for stats display

So everything makes sense compared to IRL

While being based on the actual stats of the guns in ltx

[bright wigeon]

Looks great them

[bright wigeon]

Arsenal overhaul got a immortal mosin

It never breaks, NEVER

[austere bison]

And honestly that’s what takes a lot of time : undoing whatever previous devs half assed

[bright wigeon]

Oh i see

[austere bison]

So rewriting the systems so they are easily understandable by the player, and then balancing them

[bright wigeon]

Actually to understand the coc scripting I'm going through the og stalker scripting bc both are too similar

I even using old cs scripting for the red forest smart terrain

[austere bison]

I learned scripting by checking other modders scripts for Anomaly

[bright wigeon]

Yeah, anomaly got too many mods

I'm learning based on the og ones and doctor x work

[bright wigeon]

I also port some outfits from anomaly

And the old anomaly mods are all wrong

The hd red ssp-99 got all wrong textures

The nosorog suit got wrong texture packs and more

[austere bison]

Who cares about how the player outfit looks on world model anyways

[bright wigeon]

Actually learned blender to fix thism

[austere bison]

[bright wigeon]

Bc i like to make the things looks right

[austere bison]

What matters is how good the hands are looking

And how good the icon is

[bright wigeon]

The icons are good and i got the og thap hands

But some hands got weird glitches in some animations

So i will port some hands from the thap reworked

[austere bison]

But I fail to see how modding CoC would create anything superior to modding Anomaly…

[bright wigeon]

I don't think superior is the right word, they are just different

You know, i like both anomaly and gamma but i don't like the excessive realism and craft stuff

So i want to get rid of that in my mod using the coc as base

[austere bison]

Understandable

And you can easily customise stuff to your liking hopefully

[bright wigeon]

But the armors and guns are great

[bright wigeon]

Most of them, yeah

But the coc got some stuff hidden in the all.spawn file

[waxen berry]

No wonder its hard to make quest mods

When there are almost zero examples to learn from

[ebon tusk]

Im sure if you speak with the devs for Anomaly and OpenXray64 you´lll quickly learn how to do them easely

[bright wigeon]

I think it's also a problem of demand, a good part of the public got to know gamma through anomaly and they are not familiar with quests from the og games.

But it would be really cool to get some good old stalker quest from the ogs

[austere bison]

About quests the largest anomaly addon is Additional Storylines, which got DLTXed by Demonized, fixed by Demonized and partly by me + translation has been improved in both English and Russian by the GAMMA community

[waxen berry]

Side quests

[austere bison]

You can check the DLTX mini mod repository additional storylines that’s how quests should be made

[waxen berry]

Not storylines

Small things that you do for money, equipment, or gaining alleys

[austere bison]

Storylines is about developing characters

Good luck making that interesting in a sandbox game

[bright wigeon]

That's true, but i think they are talking about the stalker storyline i guess

[austere bison]

Gameplay and sandbox usually goes against the storytelling and the characters development imo

To have a good storytelling you need cutscenes and voice acting as well

[waxen berry]

Not true

Cutscenes and voice acting aren't necessary for making a good story

[bright wigeon]

The og stalker only got texts and things that go blow

[austere bison]

I never said making a good story, I said having a good storytelling

Indeed a good story only needs text

Everyone knows books

[waxen berry]

Storytelling? Not familiar with the term, its usually used in the same way as "story"

[bright wigeon]

Nah you can't talk about the healing bullets and get as reward the healing bullets

[austere bison]

But anyways to have a good story you need good characters

[bright wigeon]

Yan can make a cool story mod, just don't do the demonsfen stuff, nobody likes the demonsfen dude

[austere bison]

And you need the story and the characters to be at the center of the game

And this goes against the sandbox freedom

[waxen berry]

I'm not talking about a story, Grok

But side quests

Content

[austere bison]

Only good game that has a good story and an ok open world is TW3 imo

[waxen berry]

I understand how you can't add main quests

[bright wigeon]

But you already got bro, you got the entire stalker characters and all the fanservice at your side

[waxen berry]

But side quests should be possible

[austere bison]

But even then the game mechanics of TW3 aren’t good

[austere bison]

There are already tons of new side quests for anomaly I told you

[waxen berry]

Randomly generated side quests?

[austere bison]

Good characters development

Meeting strelok and the old farts again is so boring

[austere bison]

Randomly generated will always be fetch quests dude

Or go kill that

[waxen berry]

So you're saying you have actual, hand written side quests?

[austere bison]

The clear sky storyline and military storyline is « fine »

Fetch quests and go kill that quests but with a bit of context

[bright wigeon]

That's the thing bro, you already got pre create characters all you need to do is create a few more to talk with those in a few quests like "know how strelok disable the wish granter"
"Talk with forester about the compass" and ban you got a cool fan based storyline like the eastern mods

[waxen berry]

That's... really not enough

[austere bison]

But in the end, it’s always this

Go there, or go kill that or bring me that thing

Thats how open world games work

[waxen berry]

But the difference is that quests always make it a bit more unique

Since we're talking about open world games, let's mention fnv

[bright wigeon]

Nah, disable the brain scorcher with a entire quest to know how and them do it with the help of like strelok is very rewarding

[waxen berry]

There's a quest to scare feral ghouls away, come fly with me

There's a quest to rescue NCR troopers

There's a quest to collect money on NPCs for one of the casinos

[bright wigeon]

You Know bro, sandbox mods prior to anomaly are all about fanservice

you can do it

[austere bison]

Indeed the main quest need a lot of work imo

[waxen berry]

Every quest is a "fetch" or "kill" quest if you break them down to their most basic form

But open world games, the goon ones, add extra steps between that

[austere bison]

Indeed

[bright wigeon]

Good

[austere bison]

What matters is the flavour I agree

But each and every « set and non random » quest kills the replayability

[bright wigeon]

Yeah that's my point

Like talk with doc to get the thing to open the secret door

[waxen berry]

I'm not saying don't make a side quest that isn't random, plus you can make even hand written side quests random

[bright wigeon]

But before that you need to know why you need to open that door

[waxen berry]

The problem is that you're choosing between high replayability, low quality and less memorable

And low replayability but high quality

The best thing you can do is make unique quests for each faction

And make said unique quests be hand written but have random elements

NLC 7 does it like this, an NPC might ask you to retrieve documents from a loner in one playthrough, but in the other they'll ask you to retrieve documents from a facility

[austere bison]

The issue is the humongous amount of free labour necessary to do that

It’s simply much more time efficient to implement new kind of random tasks

So that’s what the community went for

[waxen berry]

The random tasks will get boring eventually when you realize that you're doing the exact same thing but with a different name

[bright wigeon]

Lost to the zone do just the same, like if you're dutyer petrenko send you in a quest to kill a freedomer, by a freedomer lukash want you to kill a dutyer and them they send you to retrieve documents it all over in quest to investigate the wish granter

Or find the monolith warlab

[waxen berry]

Take documents from a stash or take a device from a mutant

They're both essentially the same thing

[austere bison]

That’s why what you need is a proper core gameplay and progression

[waxen berry]

Artifact transmutation when???

[austere bison]

Gamma has artefacts crafting and empowerment already

[waxen berry]

Really? How does it work?

Throw mutant part and rare artifact?

How many artifact tiers?

[austere bison]

You buy a new tool from scientists, you open the crafting menu and have a bunch of recipes to craft all artefacts in the game. Artefacts have 4 tiers but each artefact must be empowered from low quality (10% efficiency or so) to high quality (99% efficiency) by mixing the same artefact (adding their efficiency)

[waxen berry]

Eeeh

[austere bison]

Usually you need to combine 2 lower tier artefact to make 1 artefact or higher tier

[bright wigeon]

Looks like lost alpha

Cool

[waxen berry]

NLC 7 has 7 tiers ironically enough, how long are you hoping for gamma to be?

[austere bison]

And the resulting artefact has the average efficiency of the artefacts used in the crafting

[austere bison]

You don’t need 7 tiers of artefacts

In gamma system

[waxen berry]

How long is the mod?

[austere bison]

Because you need like 6 full empties to make 1 99% full empty

[waxen berry]

Same exact artifact?

Or an artifact of the same tier?

[austere bison]

Yes

[waxen berry]

That's too grindy

[austere bison]

No

[waxen berry]

You need 6 of the same artifact

[austere bison]

Because you get many more artefacts

[waxen berry]

Why not make it an artifact os the same level?

[austere bison]

And you can craft full empties

Or simply empower the artefacts before crafting

For instance if you combine 2 60% artefact, you get a higher tier 60% artefact

[waxen berry]

Hm

I personnel prefer combining mutant parts with artifacts

[austere bison]

And artefacts are so powerful that a 50% endgame one is already providing like 20% damage reduction to several sources

[bright wigeon]

That* system looks cool, mu better than the junky systems from lost alpha and ogse

Much*

[austere bison]

Mutant parts will be used in the mutant pelts system

[neat dune]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[bright wigeon]

Mutant pelts?

[waxen berry]

You throw the parts and artifacts into a specific anomaly and wait for it to do its job

[austere bison]

But you need to keep in mind that artefacts spawn everywhere all the time

Instead of appearing only after emissions

[waxen berry]

This is what it looks like in NLC

[austere bison]

Basically moves the gameplay as a more central gameplay loop instead of being a « go grab money once in awhile «

[waxen berry]

Do they spawn in anomalies or everywhere?

I don't remember how it worked exactly but anomaly made it only spawn inside... well, anomalies

[bright wigeon]

@austere bison you need to pass here more times to hear our great ideas like the healing bullets

EVERYBODY NEEDS THE HEALING BULLETS

[neat dune]

Sylky#5506 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[bright wigeon]

Go home wolf

[waxen berry]

Your politics bore me

[onyx belfry]

What did I wake up to?

[ionic dune]

I wish Anomaly never existed.

[ebon tusk]

it would be made regardless

[ionic dune]

Murphy law?

[ebon tusk]

no,someone was bound to port CoC to OpenXray64 with their onw added likes

[ionic dune]

Then no cock either. 💀

Not much of a loss tbh.

I hate the shift towards freeplay mods, it’s when modding went permanently wrong way.

[lunar kettle]

Still waiting for a Stalker Rally mod

[ebon tusk]

Stalker Kart when

[bright wigeon]

YOU CAN'T RUN AWAY FROM THE PAIN BOY, TAKE THE PAIN

[neat dune]

Sylky#5506 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[onyx belfry]

Wolf don't take crap from anyone lmao

[rigid spear]

Why?

I mean I've heard of all the pros of it existing

But I've never seen someone who actively disliked it?

[ebon tusk]

Anomaly is just mediocre,is all

[rigid spear]

As long as it brings more people to STALKER it's a pro, right?

[ebon tusk]

what?

what does Anomaly have to do with acessibility

I mean,only thing I can think that it makes it more accesible is that ppl dont have to buy the original game to play anomaly but stand alone mods were already a thing even before 2018

[rigid spear]

Not accessibility lmao, just that I've seen a lot of people who saw all the YouTube and such media around Anomaly and GAMMA and learned about the STALKER series through that

So publicity instead of accessibility

[ebon tusk]

I have no problem if you found stalker thru a guntubber or not as long as you dont try to rewrite what the original games were and try to put it into S2

[rigid spear]

How is Anomaly doing either of those things?

[ebon tusk]

thats the thing,it isnt, I say anomaly is mediocre by itself bc of it's balancing and refusal to look back at the mistakes made by earlier iterations on freeplay
like I said,and I repeat,I dont care where you found the stalker series as long as you know whats a mod and whats the games

[waxen berry]

You haven't seen anything then

The mod is hated by virtually everyone here

Even gamma's dev admitted that it has a lot of cons

[ebon tusk]

thru my unfortunate misadventures I found one or 2 idiots with sitcks up their asses
its a vocal minority,

[waxen berry]

Vocal minority?

My god, man. Go to #📜┃s2_suggestions

[ebon tusk]

yes

[waxen berry]

I can guarantee you, you'll find at least 3 anomaly suggestions posted this day

[rigid spear]

Instead of hating Anomaly for that, maybe hate ignorant people who don't know what's STALKER and what's Anomaly

[waxen berry]

I hate anomaly for what it is

A crappy game with next to no balance and content

[ebon tusk]

CoC was also not very good but nobody cares anymore

[waxen berry]

The only half decent ideas the mod had, like artifact containers, weren't even invented or perfected by it

[ebon tusk]

nha artifact containers are cringe

[waxen berry]

The idea is nice

[ebon tusk]

get out of here with taht weak stuff

[rigid spear]

For me, I tried SoC back when it came out, played 15 minutes, hated it, quit. And now recently I came across ADACA which has an open-world mode with anomalies and roaming AI similar to STALKER, and that made me go "hmmmm" and then I picked up the STALKER trilogy again. Played through SoC so far. Loved it.

[waxen berry]

It just wasn't implemented well

Stalker NLC 7 made it so the basic container has 8 artifact slots

And not every artifact projects radiation

[rigid spear]

I.E. basically every TC mod ever?

[waxen berry]

TC?

[rigid spear]

Total Conversion / Standalone / whatever you wanna call it

[waxen berry]

That's not true at all

[ebon tusk]

dude TC mods can absolutely touch on content itself

[waxen berry]

A mod I just mentioned actually has better balance and gameplay mechanics than even the base game

And it's a stalker mod, so not even outside of the community

[ebon tusk]

does NLC7 have belt ammo mechanics

[waxen berry]

No, it has ammo on pouch mechanic

[rigid spear]

Only TC mods I've heard of so far, being new to STALKER, are Anomaly and Misery. And both are unbalanced in different ways apparently

[ebon tusk]

explain

[ebon tusk]

TC mods are one drop in the ocean for stalker ma dude,

[waxen berry]

Your vest could store multiple packs of ammo

[ebon tusk]

POOPY

I'll drink to NLC7 being poopy

[waxen berry]

It's pretty similar to the ammo on belt but with a different name and less annoying stuff

[rigid spear]

Eggsplain

[waxen berry]

It literally has better artifacts and quests than vanilla

Better anomalies too

And mutants

For what it tries to achieve, an actual hardcore survival game, it does it well

[ebon tusk]

there are loads of Total Conversion,AMK,OGSE,Atmosfear,Radiophobia etc etc

[waxen berry]

OGSR!!!

[ebon tusk]

POOOOOOOPY

[neat dune]

Vasim#5301 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[waxen berry]

Cope

[ebon tusk]

I am

[waxen berry]

Anyway

Anomaly and Misery are just bad examples

They're popular because they're mainstream

[ebon tusk]

the impact Misery had on the modding community has been devastating

[rigid spear]

Ok, and how many of those have new story quests? Cuz story is what I'm really interested to play after the trilogy

[waxen berry]

Not many

[rigid spear]

And they're mainstream because they're popular

[waxen berry]

Only 100% or so

[rigid spear]

Lmao

[ebon tusk]

huuh,OGSR is fetch quest heavy and changes the main story for SoC and adds loads of side quests

[waxen berry]

That's not how it works

Mainstream is how much it appeals to the current trend

Gamers got tired of easy games so they want something hardcore

Even if its crappy hardcore

[rigid spear]

Well suggest me TCs to play after the main trilogy. Cuz I only know Anomaly and GAMMA basically. And something something Goldsphere?

[ebon tusk]

youtubers want something to COOM about for 2 hours and then uninstall

[waxen berry]

Add to that fallout 76's recent failure

And players wanting a post apocalyptic game

It's a surprise stalker didn't blow up earlier

[ebon tusk]

Goldpshere is a Soup mod,if you want story mods winds of time,valley of whispers,spatial anomaly
if you want soup mods go for Goldsphere and OP2.2

[neat dune]

The_Individualist#5116 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rigid spear]

The heck is soup?

I'm at the soup store?

[waxen berry]

Gameplay that isn't like vanilla

If it massively changes how the game works, it's a soup mod

Also new content? Vasim, enlighten us

[rigid spear]

I don't mind gameplay changes, but I do want a decent story or new content

[waxen berry]

Try NLC 7...

... after you beat the stalker games

It has amazing writing and quest design

[ebon tusk]

Soup mods are mods that just front loads tons of stuff that isnt exactly stalker,it's hard to explain but the easiest to say is by giving examples,like in OP2.2 where the possible adventures inclue going to Silent Hill or the Metro 2033 bunker where you have sex with a clan of women or the quest where you get the pesonal teleporter

theyre crazy,theyre bombastic,theyre insane

[waxen berry]

And they're damn good

[ebon tusk]

most times the only way they can make sense is with crack addict logic,and they're funny BC of that

most of them are russian tho

[rigid spear]

Winds of Time
Valley of Whispers
Spatial Anomaly
Goldsphere
OP2.2
NLC 7

What else?

[waxen berry]

Russians

Russians

OGSR/OGSE?

[neat dune]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[ebon tusk]

OGSR Serega Repack

dont paly OGSR GA

[waxen berry]

It's a mod name, reta

[waxen berry]

Play OGSR GA

[ebon tusk]

dont

[rigid spear]

Wolf is lame. Why does Wolf exist? Wolf should get banned

[waxen berry]

Wolf is the average stalker on discord

[rigid spear]

I've yet to see 1 person who likes Wolf

[waxen berry]

He's important to show people how the zone kills your sanity

[ebon tusk]

GA on its way to be ported into everything and ruining it

[waxen berry]

Gunslinger is good

Is it vanilla? No

But I'd rather take it over the god awful animations

[ebon tusk]

I dont care if its vanialla or no its a mod of course it isnt
the problem I have is that OGSR isnt made for consumable and hard locked animations

[waxen berry]

I thought you were talking about gunslinger

[rigid spear]

Pick one cuz idk the differences lad

[ebon tusk]

I was talking about OGSR GA,the Gunslinger Add-on for OGSR

[onyx belfry]

I've been playing Another Zone Mod. So far it's been pretty good, honestly.

[ebon tusk]

Go to Google and search OGSR Serega repack

[waxen berry]

OGSE is an engine afaik

[rigid spear]

What it do?

[waxen berry]

OGSR is the mod

[waxen berry]

Where is this other zone?

[ebon tusk]

the fetch quest mod

[rigid spear]

Inb4 I do a chad move and remake Zelda in the STALKER engine

[onyx belfry]

It's a story based mod where you play as a dude who seeks for an artifact that is said to cure all diseases. They're seeking it to save their sister

[ebon tusk]

You're welcome to try

[waxen berry]

Your sister is dead haaaaaa

[rigid spear]

You had me hooked at "story", also I love your profile pic

[onyx belfry]

Thanks.

[rigid spear]

I've done art commissions for furries and dergs.

And sergals and protogens

[ebon tusk]

Aren't that all the same thin?

I'll probably regret asking

[rigid spear]

Ehhh you might piss people off by saying that?

Suffice to say there are differences

Don't be 'racist' lmao

[ebon tusk]

i have absolutely no knowledge on this subject and I'll continue life like this

[rigid spear]

True Sigma grindset

[ebon tusk]

Thamk yu

[rigid spear]

Winds of Time
Valley of Whispers
Spatial Anomaly
Goldsphere
OP2.2
NLC 7
OGSR Serega repack
Another Zone

[onyx belfry]

Side quests are pretty nice, too. You can even upgrade artifacts in this mod, too.

[rigid spear]

Artifact upgrading makes me go hmmmm cuz either artifacts will get nerfed, or upgraded artifacts will be OP. It's the Clear Sky upgrade system problem all over again

[ebon tusk]

it's the CoP problem as well

[rigid spear]

Well I haven't gotten to CoP but that makes me not look forward to it

[onyx belfry]

They get upgraded.

You pay for documents that teach you how to upgrade them.

[rigid spear]

Intriguing

[onyx belfry]

And then you upgrade said artefact through a device.

[waxen berry]

Sorry to disappoint you

But we're very racist, sexist and homophobic here

I've read at least 4 suggestions to remove women

One may or may not be mine

[rigid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/list-note-put-captain-america-remember-gif-15016153

Why didn't that embed? Weird

[rigid spear]

There are women?

[onyx belfry]

It ain't allowed in Mod channels

Cuz they butt stains about it.

[waxen berry]

We don't know

[onyx belfry]

I blame Wolf.

[rigid spear]

But muh reaction gifs

[ebon tusk]

wolf truly is,the worst mod

[rigid spear]

I do kinda wish there would be more female representation. Though there shouldn't be a 50/50 split

Maybe 10%?

[waxen berry]

Too much

[rigid spear]

Maybe even 5%?

[waxen berry]

5%

And mostly to ecologists and maybe, maybe military

[soft oxide]

yes

[rigid spear]

Military, Clear Sky, and scientists?

[waxen berry]

Clear sky is dead

[soft oxide]

me (femboy ecologist)

[ebon tusk]

the question itself is dumb,it's a catch,if you think and try to srsly think about it you already lost,this game you shouldn't focus on it,you shouldn't think about it,ignore the question,focus on other stuff,they're more important

[rigid spear]

SPOILERS

[waxen berry]

Bottom text

Spoilers?

[ebon tusk]

I mean did you see them in SoC?

[rigid spear]

Based

[waxen berry]

Its not really a big thing

[soft oxide]

real

[rigid spear]

But they're secret!

[waxen berry]

CS is a prequel

[ebon tusk]

secretly dead

[waxen berry]

Secretely 6 feet under

[rigid spear]

Look, I'm a chick and I want to put a bullet in other chicks' heads. That's based and not cringe at all.

[soft oxide]

real

[waxen berry]

Yes but you're a woman, which makes it cringe

Cringe and based makes you neutral

It's basic math

[ebon tusk]

when the only correct answer is to not think about it to begin with

[soft oxide]

ok guy

[rigid spear]

Imagine, endurance artifact in bed. You'd actually be viable then

[ebon tusk]

wrong,I get absolutely no B1tches

[rigid spear]

Yeah cuz you don't have an endurance artifact. That's exactly my point

[onyx belfry]

DM me what you've drawn! Am curious! :D

[ebon tusk]

I am eternally a sucker,no radioactive Viagra will work

[rigid spear]

Do you have Telegram? I could link the little channel I use there

[rigid spear]

Ah, you prefer sucking. Sure, sure.

[waxen berry]

Imagine, gas mask. You'd actually look nice then

[soft oxide]

monolith head better tbh

[rigid spear]

Best head would be that cthulhu monster

[ebon tusk]

I'd say I'm gay but I'm not Serbian

[waxen berry]

It's unironically called bloodsucker

Pure comedy

[rigid spear]

GG

[ebon tusk]

😳

[soft oxide]

bloodsucka head
oh my goodness gracious

[rigid spear]

ANYWAY so
Winds of Time
Valley of Whispers
Spatial Anomaly
Goldsphere
OP2.2
NLC 7
OGSR Serega repack
Another Zone

That's my list thus far

[ebon tusk]

It's already long list,I heard Lost Alpha and Oblivion Lost mods are good from NoZar

[rigid spear]

I've heard LA is kinda ehhhhh in terms of content

And I want content, not just "oh here's a rebalance, enjoy playing the same game again"

Looking at you, Halo mods

Ffs

[waxen berry]

YES

[ebon tusk]

LADC completely reworks story an maps from what I remember,that's Lost Alpha Directors Cut

[waxen berry]

Try them first @rigid spear

A fellow woman ☕ said they're good

Enough sexism for the day, I've already hit my quota 17 hours ago

[soft oxide]

dergs?

[rigid spear]

WOMAN?! Then they have to be awful

[waxen berry]

Don't Don't

Worry

You're both as mentally unstable as each other

It's a match made in heaven, or hell depending on your perspective

[soft oxide]

put on the maid outfit
now.

[rigid spear]

Match made in the Zone? 👉👈

Winds of Time
Valley of Whispers
Spatial Anomaly
Goldsphere
OP2.2
NLC 7
OGSR Serega repack
Another Zone
Lost Alpha Directors Cut
Oblivion Lost

You guys wanna reorder these?

[ebon tusk]

Let the zone take me if I'm lie-ing

[rigid spear]

You're the femboy 🔫

[waxen berry]

Kinky, but no

[ebon tusk]

Nha you're good,these will take you like half a year without any pause I'd say

[waxen berry]

NLC alone is 100+ hours

[soft oxide]

fair
but
maid outfit, now

[waxen berry]

And OP2.2 has a LOT of content

[soft oxide]

[rigid spear]

By reorder I mean, I'll play them top to bottom, so if you want to put something else at the top, feel free

Or move something lower

Etc.

[waxen berry]

No need

[ebon tusk]

like I said don't worry,worry more about the free time you won't have

[waxen berry]

Those will last you for 5 years

If you're an adult, 15

[austere bison]

I can even say that Anomaly is terrible at so many things it’s simply not a good game. It’s a fantastic modding platform though to make actually good games. And it’s easily accessible and easy to install so it’s a good « door » to drag a broader audience to the franchise, even though it’s not really respecting the franchise core gameplay it’s known for (story driven survival / rpg fps in the zone)

[rigid spear]

I doubt they'll take that long. I finished SoC in 25 hours.

[waxen berry]

There you go, live anomaly dev reaction @rigid spear

[ebon tusk]

I wouldn't really go THAT far,wouldn't say it's good but it's not awful

[waxen berry]

The mods are much longer usually

[ebon tusk]

ho you sweet summer child

[rigid spear]

I think Anomaly achieved what it set out to do. Plus it brought a lot of new STALKERs to the Zone. And in the end, isn't that what we all want?

[ebon tusk]

That's not what it wanted to do

[waxen berry]

That's not what it was supposed to achieve

[rigid spear]

I SAID PLUS

[neat dune]

The_Individualist#5116 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[waxen berry]

It was supposed to be, well, a good game

[rigid spear]

It was supposed to be a complete modding platform

[waxen berry]

You said "achieved what it set out to do"

Which it didn't

[waxen berry]

No it didn't

[ebon tusk]

I'm pretty sure Anomaly just wanted to put COC into OpenXray64

[waxen berry]

So

Good game

[ebon tusk]

Well...

It wanted to out the COC modpack the Devs likes into OpenXray64

[waxen berry]

Eh, you're the one with the Master role

[rigid spear]

Whenever someone says CoC I think Call of Cthulhu. Send help.

[waxen berry]

Either way, its not a good game, which is what matters

[soft oxide]

anomaly ( you like pegging)

[waxen berry]

And most of the new players haven't played the original trilogy

[soft oxide]

i think about... uh.... meat flute

[ebon tusk]

You do!

[austere bison]

Yeah I added that bit to my original message

[waxen berry]

Cick

[soft oxide]

yes!

[waxen berry]

C9vk

[austere bison]

It indeed brought a lot of new people to the franchise which is good

And it’s stable

The main problem is that Anomaly devs didn’t care about the gameplay. And they still don’t

[rigid spear]

Aye. I agree with this edited message 100%

[waxen berry]

GUYS THE DOCUMENTS, GO GET THEM
GUYS THE DOCUMENTS, GO GET THEM
GUYS THE DOCUMENTS, GO GET THEM

[neat dune]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[austere bison]

One thing is, with the route gamma has taken, I think you can like the original trilogy without liking gamma and the other way around as well. It’s simply too different imo

[soft oxide]

brother the skirt, go get it and ill pay you handsomely

[waxen berry]

If Stalker was made in 2022 by Western devs

[rigid spear]

I'm playing through the trilogy for the first time (am at CS) before I delve into GAMMA and other standalones

[waxen berry]

Jump to Gamma, disable the medical system, play as the military, commit genocide