⭐┃nospoilers_general

[urban basin]

Some friends are still rocking their 3090s without a problem

[dire dagger]

i got one

and im feeling it hard in stalker lol

[rigid prism]

Rx 6600 4 life!

[dire dagger]

the mates with the 7900 xts are double my fps

[gritty orchid]

Based

[dire dagger]

its just depressing

[urban basin]

Well, stalker is just a monster tbf

Time to get a 4080super/4070ti super on a sale or something

[gritty orchid]

I want to test a avowed, seems to be a very decently optimized game (if you don't play on a potato that is)

[dire dagger]

almost got a 4090 on sale but dude who was gonna sell me it failed to get a 5090

so

no 4090 for me

my project car gets a new engine instead

[spring wedge]

Hey guys I got a question, on my laptop (rtx 4070 + Ultra 9 185h) I've gotten pretty bad stuttering when using DLSS frame generation with both the new and old model, yet using FSR frame gen on my PC is completely fine, does anybody else have that with DLSS? Assuming its a CPU issue but I honestly cant tell

[vague sentinel]

Not for some time, not now that's for sure

[urban basin]

Damn tough luck

[dire dagger]

probably a better use of money tbh lol

[hazy jewel]

Nope thats not why

[gritty orchid]

Bros high on Nvidia copium

[dire dagger]

i mean

the plugs are defective

[urban basin]

I have read that a lot of people have the same problem tho i expected it to be fixed by now

[dire dagger]

27 amps over 2 wires is well beyond spec

[hazy jewel]

To many amps are being put through 1 cable instead of being spread out across the 8 cables

[dire dagger]

which is worse

tbh

because you cant fix that by jsut plugging it in harder

its a hardware defect

[hazy jewel]

Asus astral gpu + asus power supply mostly fixes that

[dire dagger]

how is that a fix

that card is like 4500 bux

lmfao

[hazy jewel]

Its 2800

[dire dagger]

it was

then they rasied the price

[torpid bay]

Eh better get use to it and other AI shenanigans since Nvidia is betting on it heavily now

[dire dagger]

look man all im saying is

[hazy jewel]

It can measure the amps per cable and auto shuts down when to many amps are in 1 cable before it starts burning and for some reason no other company has done that yet

[dire dagger]

i mean sure but

why is that even happening at all

it shouldn't be

[hazy jewel]

The first report was using a already damaged cable from a 4090

[dire dagger]

many more cases been reported

its not a one off

but regardless

if you want me to fork over 2800 bux or as it stands now like 3500 bux

you gotta give me the whole die

i want the last 2.5k cores smh

[feral totem]

Is stealth finally viable after the patch?

[dire dagger]

maybe i haven't tried

[reef raptor]

I paid 1300$ for a 4080S back in september last year
stupid amount of money but I am happy with it
stalker 2 runs fine on max graphics with dlss 4 + frame gen with 140 average fps
I can pull 60+ fps without it so theres not much artifacting / input delay so im balling

[torpid bay]

Which PSU

[dire dagger]

the card can do that

not the psu

the psus are another problem

[feral totem]

Always thought it should be a big part of the game play but it was not viable at all

[dire dagger]

apparently psus with out the native connector can now get tripped by the transient spikes which sucks

[hazy jewel]

I use a msi godlike psu so i can see how much power port is using from the msi app

[dire dagger]

my corsair unit can do that too actually but

its not got the plug

a 1600i

full gallium nitride

[hazy jewel]

Im using the MEG Ai1600T PCIE5

[bright lantern]

Lol yeah well some people but a new graphics card ever generation because they love 10% performance increases and hate money.

[torpid bay]

Wha... First you were talking about ASUS psu and now its MSI?

[dire dagger]

i use to throw this much money at computers haha....

[hazy jewel]

Its got atx 3.1 and 2 X 12V-2X6 so i can run dual gpus

[dire dagger]

at the age of 22 ive realized pissing away all my money on pcs is kinda dumb

[hazy jewel]

Got a 4080 and 5090 in the pc right now since my 4090 doesnt fit sadly

[dire dagger]

whats the 4080 for

if you say physx im gonna explode

[hazy jewel]

It helps alot with render times

[dire dagger]

oh ok good

lol

at least your doing something useful with it

[hazy jewel]

Funny thing is I got the 4080 for free when my friend upgraded to the 5090 aswell

[dire dagger]

bruh what kinda friends you got

and where can i get em

[hazy jewel]

We were the first 3 in front of the micro-center in Texas

[crystal merlin]

Enemies looting armors and helmet deemed as issue and was fix
No new game plus

I can't farm exos anymore
Worse update ever

[dire dagger]

this has to be satire

ignored

[dire dagger]

damn tell him to buy me a new engine for my project car

[hazy jewel]

I doubt he even likes cars he owns 2 bikes and has never owned a car before 😂

[dire dagger]

much more fulling than pcs let me tell you

but damn

was worth a shot

[feral totem]

Did they just removed fog on the map for inaccessible regions? Does it mean the roadmap and dlc is finally coming?

[dire dagger]

no idea

[feral totem]

I kind of suspect it’s just a bug they introduced with the patch tbh

[gritty orchid]

same, since it still has the blurred texture and all

i mean, some of these regions arent really blocked from the main game, but still

[zealous pumice]

When's patch?

[mystic crow]

Welp still can't play because of constant crashes with the redforest

[dire dagger]

revalidate files

[mystic crow]

I'm on xbox

[dire dagger]

oh

[torpid bay]

rip

[uncut token]

Any update on mod support on steam workshop?

[dire dagger]

no

[sharp minnow]

thx for UE5 🙂

[zealous pumice]

Nice chunky update

[shut fjord]

Flashlight shadows look weird

[dire dagger]

first guy in history to be happy the game runs eu5

lmao

[sharp minnow]

its no real shadows its optical illusion

[zealous pumice]

Don't bully ue5, it's trying its best

[shut fjord]

Well thats annoying

[zealous pumice]

Is it worth playing guys or should I just play some cyberpunk

[alpine pulsar]

Game is a cash grab. I feel conned.

[sharp minnow]

like a mod for flashlight on nexus

[dire dagger]

thats far to generous

oops

wrong reply

[shut fjord]

haha

[torpid bay]

Its not trying

[dire dagger]

i mean its better

but if your thinking about should i start another play through or wait

id wait

[zealous pumice]

I shall wait then, I'll have a little run around on my old save to see the changes

[dire dagger]

some guys found theres like 80 cut quests in the games files so

in time hopefully they will be put back in the game

at least some

[shut fjord]

Probably some related to Jupiter Factory

[dire dagger]

people think its likely most of them were for the first half of the game

[zealous pumice]

A lot of work to make them work tho, can't wait for the bugs with those missions you've seen what they've had to do to make the ones we have already not break the game 😂😂

[dire dagger]

you probably noticed how the amount of quests and content

drops off once you hit the mid point

where as in the start there seems to be no shortage of stuff to do

[torpid bay]

Neat. You can see when the money starts to get tighter there

[dire dagger]

well

items become worth more money

the farther into the game you go

its a hidden mechanic called rank

[torpid bay]

And when whip came out of the closet along with weekends canceled

[dire dagger]

whip got nerfed

apparently

[torpid bay]

From development standpoint when time starts to run out and product needs to get out before studio goes belly up

[dire dagger]

i mean gsc made mistakes by

generating too much hype for the game too soon

but at the same time perhaps they needed too

idk what the money situation looked like

we likely will never know but

perhaps it was release now or the studio dies

[torpid bay]

Pretty much but its not really a secret that there isnt much money flowing in when development is going

[dire dagger]

once the bare metal bugs get ironed out

i really do hope content starts getting added

they said they would so

we can hope

im just trying to be positive here

[torpid bay]

Gets sold us as DLC

[dire dagger]

i really hope not

that would be super scummy

[torpid bay]

Thats how it works tbh

Good deeds get you momentary love that gets shoved into broken toilet at any moment

[wise geyser]

How’s the patch been guys haven’t gotten to try it yet

[dire dagger]

pretty good

a lot of good changes

[prisma goblet]

So what is this new ability of the controller?

[shut fjord]

I think it said it can scream at you?

[wise geyser]

Ima hop in the shower and read the patch notes rq thanks

[gritty orchid]

its similar to the bloodsucker roar in terms of effects (it will stun you and what not)
but its way cooler imo

[copper kelp]

Well i'm just happy they kept their promise

[wise geyser]

My only hope is that new issues ain’t appear. Atleast no new game breaking ones that is

[shut fjord]

the somehow broke the Bulba anomaly models (trees are not textured/animated)

[wise geyser]

What’s broken about the bulbs?

[shut fjord]

the anomaly with the weird ball

[wise geyser]

No no I know what it is I’m saying what’s wrong with it now

[shut fjord]

the trees that are supposed animate leaning back and forth when the anomaly is active have lost their textures and animation

[limber shard]

Damn

[wise geyser]

Damn, wait so what do the trees look like without their textures

[shut fjord]

one moment #📸┃screenshots_and_videos message

[wise geyser]

OOOOOOFFFFFF DAMN 😂😭

[shut fjord]

its not game breaking just weird

[wise geyser]

Yeah

[copper kelp]

Eh either way i'm happy with update, also did memory leak fixed?

Zalissya usually stutters a lot in my pc

[dire dagger]

Someone said it was

Maybe not

[steady lantern]

Thinking back on this, I'm kinda pissed now. A-life and immersive open world was Stalker 2's main selling point. If the game came released without it, isn't that just false advertising? I don't want to wait a year for them to gradually improve the AI one feature at a time - On release there was no NPC functionality in offline or online mode, they just spawned randomly around you. In 1.1 they added online AI behavior and bare bones of offline behavior. In 1.2 they added just a couple features, like looting corpses and healing fallen comrades (which was a thing already, it just happened less often) but disabled the offline behavior, and the rest is still far from what it was in CoP...

[sand slate]

Does anybody know if modders can now change the 100m bubble around the player to something larger now?

[icy lodge]

Can anyone else agree that the m416 looks gigantic in the players hands like it takes up the entire screen and it gets worse with optics

[steady lantern]

Now that I vented, one of the things I always felt would benefit the immersion, bear with me there, would be npc companions. I feel like despite the dog-eat-dog world that the Zone is, there's a sense of fraternity between fellow stalkers, like a unity in misery. How cool would it be if, at certain rep level, npcs from particular factions met out in the Zone would be more likely to stick around the player, following us around at least for a bit, occasionally chattering and stuff? Right now you can sorta follow indivudual squads around as they walk around, but there's no real interaction in that. Kinda wish the npcs engaged with the player more. That is of course a hypothetical idea, I don't think GSC would implement this, but, just wanted to share what's on my mind.

[wise geyser]

Wydm disabled offline behavior?

[fiery rover]

Does anyone know if stacked artifacts have some kind of cap? And if that includes armor stats?
Like for example you can have an armor with 3 bars of protection.
If you equip 1 or 2 compasses, will they add up with those 3 bars? If so, how much?

[silver warren]

There's a video showing that once npc go outside range of the player, "offline", they no longer keep doing whatever they were doing and just stand still until you return

[wise geyser]

In 1.2? what happened with the improvements made in 1.1??

[icy lodge]

I kinda like this idea even tho I never favored having companions but I feel like this game should have coop but they say that removes the “loneliness of the zone” which doesn’t make sense as you can see stalkers walk in packs all the time you usually never see a stalker alone in any of the games especially in CoP where you always would find a stalker duo in the anomalys so I thought having no coop was a dumb idea as they are adding multiplayer

[tiny token]

nice bio bro

[gritty orchid]

[tired zealot]

Anyone else getting the Stalker board game?

[dire dagger]

its an oxymoron

[static compass]

Probably not, although I do want that collector's bundle with the diorama statue

Thing looks sick

[dire dagger]

more paper weights

hurray

[static compass]

Hey

[static compass]

I love paperweights

[tired zealot]

yeaah that staute looks siick, Im trying to think which pledge Ishould get, im thinking i get one of the ones that include the statue

[static compass]

[static compass]

There's one you can get that doesn't include the game, it's the cheapest option

[tired zealot]

theres so many different pledges I ahvent spent the time to read what they do, well I want the game might as well get the game too it sounds fun

[static compass]

I'd get the game if I had homies to play it with

[tired zealot]

it says its singleplayer too lol just do a solo boardgame run sounds interesting lol

[dire dagger]

isn't the whole point of a board game to play it with friends

huh....

[static compass]

No no, you have a point

[celest blaze]

@orchid gale

[celest blaze]

I'd try it like this ngl

[dire dagger]

if its actually a single player only board game hten

i guess i can say yah

thats kinda dumb

[static compass]

It's got a single player version

But it's intended for frens

[dire dagger]

oh ok

well never mind then

[static compass]

I think you can do either or

[celest blaze]

Tbh I've never actually seen a single player board game

[static compass]

Cheapest pledge, glorious

[dire dagger]

DUDE

[static compass]

[dire dagger]

pogging so hard right now

i got a nightstar

[celest blaze]

Ong

[static compass]

Hella

[celest blaze]

You playing S2?@dire dagger

[dire dagger]

yes

[static compass]

The update changed it on Xbox

Used to say Windows edition, now it says Xbox edition

[dire dagger]

smh xbox

[static compass]

My PC can't run it

[dire dagger]

get a better one

[static compass]

Soon

Oh wait

Soon ™️

[royal storm]

How's the new update?

[dire dagger]

good

[celest blaze]

I'm probably gonna reinstall tonight

It'll be interesting to see the changes as I haven't played since Nov 24th

[icy lodge]

[tawny comet]

Anybody have any thoughts on the new update that have played for a bit? How’s it feeling?

[lofty palm]

huh

i just got a second update for stalker 2 when i reopened steam. what was that for?

i already downloaded update 1.2 earlier today so this was a different one

[tawny comet]

Hot fix perhaps

[lofty palm]

i was thinking that but there doesnt seem to be a hotfix page on the steam news for the game

[signal bronze]

Damn, these devs are smashing through the updates.

[wise geyser]

There’s no mention of the pda bug on Xbox in the patch notes 😭

Hopefully it’s fixed tho

[signal bronze]

i'm guessing mods are broken again

[tiny token]

i'm still gonna wait for a lot more patches, perhaps at least half a year of them

[torpid bay]

They removed debug mode that they shipped with the first patch by accident

[lofty palm]

Ah okay, thanks!

[celest blaze]

Naw I get it tbh my serious playthrough will be in 2026 I still got alot of stalker mods to finish first

[wise geyser]

Honestly prob with you on that

[celest blaze]

Op2, teamlite, goldensphere, legends return VoA etc

[wise geyser]

Glad they got it out for everyone though the games going in the right direction indeed 👌🗿👌

[tiny token]

i already finished the game with one ending, i want to find the other ones.
it's just that if i play the game too soon (with not enough patches), it will feel too similar and i will get burned out of the game for a long while

[celest blaze]

I get that 100%

[lament pewter]

Has anyone made any mods that add new guns yet?

[wise geyser]

I got 8 days on the game and never even made it out of wild island 😭

[celest blaze]

I feel gun mods will come once the SDK is out

[wise geyser]

I was taking my sweet ass time exploring lesser garage and wild lmao

[celest blaze]

I'm dying for AN94

[tiny token]

i'm dying in general

[celest blaze]

Ong

[torpid bay]

Have you tried not dying? Makes game more enjoyable

[static compass]

We all die a little bit everyday

[tiny token]

Every single day is a day full of wasted opportunities

[celest blaze]

I gain more life for every snorker I persecute

[static compass]

Based

(Dlite)

[celest portal]

kot

[static compass]

Kots all around

[tawny comet]

Committing Snorkicide

[celest blaze]

I actually have used chymos nickname for so long haha

[celest blaze]

It's our civil duty

[lofty helm]

Sorry i just cant stop posting

[static compass]

I become kotpilled

[celest blaze]

[celest blaze]

Based and kotpilled

[static compass]

🫵

[torpid bay]

Omg... I just realized i havent played Stalker 2 since november

[wise geyser]

Mid December 😈

[torpid bay]

But im about to upgrade this old clunker so maybe i have to wait until thats done

[celest blaze]

🫵

[static compass]

[celest portal]

kot posting

[celest blaze]

[celest blaze]

What are you upgrading too?

[static compass]

It's what we do here in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Discord

[celest blaze]

Ong

[celest portal]

[torpid bay]

Either i go for 9800X3D, ram, mobo or 1 RTX 5070 Ti lol

[lofty palm]

Is rtx on by default?

[celest blaze]

I'd do the 9700X3D, ram and mobo honestly

@torpid bay

[lofty palm]

I cant seem to find an option for rtx

[celest blaze]

Yes

It's software

[torpid bay]

But but... MY traced rays 😢

[tawny comet]

How’s the combat feel now? Is aimbot enemy fixed? Can u stealth now?

[celest blaze]

Raytracing is cool but it's still pretty niche haha I have a 4070ti and atm not playing any rtx games

[torpid bay]

My body needs that cyberpunk path tracing

[lofty palm]

Darn so i cant turn it off? Cuz theres no option for it in settings

[torpid bay]

Too old for competitive games so shiney rays is all i got left

[celest blaze]

Ngl it's so good

[steady lantern]

'stealth' feels just as wonky as it was before. they increased the time it takes for the detection indicator to fill up, but enemies still see you through thick bushes and long distance sooner than you see them.

[tawny comet]

Oof

[calm bough]

Bulba trees are just untextured stumps rn, gsc pls fix

[zealous pumice]

Does stalker run with dlss 4.0 now?

[calm bough]

no but u can set it up yourself

[static compass]

Stealth was never an option

[zealous pumice]

Says in the new driver update that it does?

[steady lantern]

I wish it was. armor repair is still expensive af 😭

[dire dagger]

my gpu may have just died

[celest portal]

@calm bough I like your profile, ducks

[dire dagger]

wow...

im stuck in 2d clock mode

[celest portal]

Buh

[calm bough]

its still 3.7.2 or 3.62 something like that if u check it in dlss swapper program

[zealous pumice]

Yeah I've just checked, what the flippin turd burger

[calm bough]

but u can swap em yourself with that program its easy

[dire dagger]

driver update installed lets see if that fixed it if not its so over

[static compass]

True, but I finally have over 120,000 koupons

Still chump change tho

[dire dagger]

ight false alarm seems to have fixed

[zealous pumice]

bro it literally lists stalker 2 in the "dlss 4 supported in over 75 games" thing on nvidia app

[celest portal]

I just loaded in my save and died of immediate radiation poisoning

[viscid quartz]

My accs were hacked few months ago and someone was spamming phishing links to everyone on discord and in the result of that I've been banned from nearly all discord servers, can someone please tell me username of one of the mods from stalker gamma server so I resolve this ban issue with him since the only way to play gamma is to download it from their discord
Thank you

[calm bough]

it supports dlss 4 yes but gsc still hasnt switched to the newer ones lol

[zealous pumice]

i feel lied to

[calm bough]

swap em yourself

[dire dagger]

just use dlss swap

it takes literally 2 seconds

[zealous pumice]

last time i did this it caused a bunch of visual glitches and rendering issues 😦

[dire dagger]

im using it right now

and have none

[zealous pumice]

okay, this was before the official release so maybe its been ironed out, ill try it again 😄

[dire dagger]

hardly niche

its in every unreal engine game now

[celest blaze]

Fr? Ah my bad

I don't really play UE games

I mean path traced 2077 goes hard af

[dire dagger]

at like 5 fps lol

nothing to replace it so

unlikely

simply impractical for 95 percent of dev teams

they would have to spend the same or more money making the engine

as they would making the game

not to mention the time it to make it

then you have to train every single new hire on how to use it which can take months

where as if you use unreal

you can hire some guy you know how to use unreal yah i do well there yah go

sit him down and off he goes

id disagree heavily

maybe true

maybe by the time we get to ue5.9 or something

it will finally work properly

well how about you go and make a better engine then

gotta make xray engine 2.0 first

tbh if the devs had way more money

i bet they would have made xray engine 2.0

mate no way i just found another liquid rock

IM FUCKEN WINNING

LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

[tawny comet]

Did the og Stalker team have a ton of funding for making x ray engines 1.0? Genuine question

[dire dagger]

it was just easier to make an engine back then

games were less complex

mechanically

[tawny comet]

I imagine it was. There seems to be much more that go into games now. They really cooked back then though.

I think if you look at the positives of Stalker 2 and can also look into the future of the game, it isn’t so bad. This is assuming the devs continue to support fixes, updates, etc…

[dire dagger]

best way to explain it is like this

if your making a game

and you want the game to have x y and z thing in it

if there is an engine already made that does all that stuff

why spend time making your own

[tawny comet]

Totally agree. I think it wasn’t a bad choice in general, although I wonder if UE4 would’ve been better. Not sure really, but I feel like the game is about 90% there. Just need some offline A-Life, a smidge of NPC persistence, and some fleshes dragging bodies.

[dire dagger]

i mean i totally agree

i thinking making this game run ue5 did it no favors in the long run

like sure it might look prettier buttttt

im not sure its worth the trade offs

[thorny blaze]

Can someone tell me the top 3 differences or tldr with performance/a-life update for PC? Haven't played the game since launch week, want to see if it's worth redownloading

[torpid bay]

Wonder what Stalker 2 would have looked like on cryengine

[dire dagger]

god don't even say that

that would even worse than what it is now

[torpid bay]

Done properly doubt it

[celest goblet]

The amount of work that goes into making a game engine up to modern standards has definitely not gotten any lower since the early to mid 2000s

[dire dagger]

you ever tried playing the crysis remaster 💀

[torpid bay]

I have actually

[dire dagger]

it runs so poorly

[torpid bay]

Ran just fine

[dire dagger]

they must have fixed it then

when i played it game could only use 2 cores and 4 threads

so if you looked anywhere except the sky or the ground

fps would drop down to 1/4

[torpid bay]

Played it like 2 years ago according to steam

[slender stratus]

Did they fix performance in hub areas?

[dire dagger]

kinda

[slender stratus]

So still no steady 60fps in towns?

[dire dagger]

depends on what cpu you got lol

[torpid bay]

Cant see FPS if you dont have FPS counter

[toxic pasture]

We ever getting 60fps on series s?

[dire dagger]

100 percent no

[toxic pasture]

I thought they said they would?

[dire dagger]

on series x

S was always 30 fps

[shut fjord]

They shouldn't have made for the Series S

[dire dagger]

dragging all these updates down smh

[toxic pasture]

That sucks the games borderline unplayable 30fps I need to put the difficulty down to rookie to get through some firefights

[dire dagger]

at 60 fps

bros playing with quad framegen on

[toxic pasture]

Sorry 30fps

[dire dagger]

well that i do believe but

they never claimed it would run at more than 30 fps on the series s

[toxic pasture]

Well you can hope, I mean ac syndicate and outlaws both got 60fps updates

[dire dagger]

considering how much this game struggles on pc

it would require a devine act of god to make that possible

[steady lantern]

how often do you guys find Compasses? for me, the Ribs anomaly is a farm of them for some reason

[dire dagger]

i found 2 my first play through

[fiery jungle]

that is software raytracing, not hardware raytracing

[dire dagger]

never the less

its there

im sure its heavily contributes to the games poor performance

[fiery jungle]

but no rtx cores used

[dire dagger]

yah ik

it sucks ass

reflections still look terrible

[low ivy]

i cant play due to my game crashing everytime i try to launch my current save

[dire dagger]

even after the update lol

[fiery jungle]

100000% hahaha

[dire dagger]

its suppose to be in the cards

really hope that stays true

game needs hardware rt badly

[fiery jungle]

yeah but then they would kill 90% of pc players

[dire dagger]

not really lol

just make it an option or something

[fiery jungle]

ah ok, I thought you meant make it mandatory

[dire dagger]

nah

i mean not that it would matter

if your gpu cant do ray tracing

it probably cant run the game

[nimble cipher]

alexgomez has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fiery jungle]

or maybe not use rt at all, KCD does not use it and it looks sick, even in their old cryengine version

[dire dagger]

well i dont think thats gonna happen

if i have to pick between hardware rt and insanely noisy software rt

ill take hardware every time

[fiery jungle]

I was an engine programmer at crytek before the layoffs xD, and trust me I saw things looks awesome without rt

[fiery jungle]

yeah for sure

[dire dagger]

well your probably more qualified to talk about it then most of us arm chair devs

so riddle me this

how would you solve the cpu overhead issue in stalker 2

[fiery jungle]

in towns? I would need to see the bottleneck, debug stuff, but my guess is that AI has some serious concurrency issues

their task planning is probably multithreaded, but all the agents in the end need the same shared resources (navmesh, blackboard, whatever), and maybe they have a ton of locking

[dire dagger]

i mean honestly the strangest part is

it will hammer all your cpu cores

or all your v cache cores in my case

but it wont actually max them out

it will just pin them all around 65 percent

[fiery jungle]

you do not need to max the cores to create bottlenecks

I can write a simple program that creates a lot of threads that just add numbers, and start locking there and kill the performance

[dire dagger]

well my thought there was if it could use all the cores fully

it might improve performance

[zealous pumice]

3 months till the next update boys let's goooo

[fiery jungle]

could be, but maxing the cores is not something that you can "control", os kernel will swap context and push threads to cores as it pleases

[silent cypress]

Just finished going through the patch notes. Pretty compelling stuff. Can someone who's played the new update tell me their thoughts?

[dire dagger]

a life is broken again ish

[zealous pumice]

I can't play multiple single player games at once, so I'm gonna finish c2077 and then kingdom come deliverance then stalker 2 in about 1 years time lol

[dire dagger]

its not as broken as it was

but its not working right that im sure

[fiery jungle]

and this kernel swaping contexts is the reason why having a ton of threads is not good and it gets worse at a point (and this point is not something crazy like thousands of threads)

all I will say is that UE **** hard and it is killing games industry

[silent cypress]

Yeah I'm not surprised. I read the part in the patch notes about A-Life NPCs having spawn parameters changed, and figured it'd be a mess.

[dire dagger]

to be fair ive never tried disabling my second ccd

that might help

[dire dagger]

its not as bad but

im walking like near places

and having groups of guys spawn

again and again and again

lots of free loot so

woo hoo but

[torpid bay]

Recall reading something about ue needing to run game logic on 1 core thus it doenst really scale to multiple cores

[silent cypress]

I wish they would just figure out how to get the offline working properly so they could spawn the NPCs at bases, and just send them out on proper tasks.

[torpid bay]

But that just might be my 4am brain remembering something completely different

[fiery jungle]

nah not true. The engine has several threads and in the end of the frame before rendering you wait for them all (although some threads can render "secondary" things too)

ah sorry game logic. Yeah game logic yes

[worthy thunder]

so did the new patch fixed the offline/online system of A-Life system?

[dire dagger]

so heres another question

[fiery jungle]

but the systems that the game logic use are multithreaded

[dire dagger]

this would likely never happen but

from what i understand or rather have been told

most of the cpu use related to npcs is physics related

if you used nvidia physx instead

think it would make it better or worse

[fiery jungle]

it hand over some work to the gpu but you still use the cpu a lot

[torpid bay]

But still there is bit difference how AI is handled by different engines

[dire dagger]

but isn't the point of physx that all the physx stuff is then rendered on the gpu

[fiery jungle]

physics calculations are expensive af, and yeah, more npcs = more computation. This is usually managed using a spatial hash or an octree, so the engine only updates nearby stuff, but in a town you cannot do much

[silent cypress]

ZoneSlug put out a video. Offline movement of NPCs has been disabled. That's the only real change to A-Life besides the stated fixes in the patch notes.

[dire dagger]

so it would just tax the fuck out of the gpu even if basically

[fiery jungle]

yeah xD and gpu is already dying with the raytracing xD

[dire dagger]

well

physx has one funny quirk that would make that a good thing

that being you can off load it onto a secondary video card

[fiery jungle]

I guess that could be an option

[dire dagger]

it would just come down to how expensive of a gpu would be needed

[fiery jungle]

only for that? a gtx 960 more than enough

[dire dagger]

that can be had for like 60 bux on ebay

i think this is a great solution

[torpid bay]

Just have to wait until UE craps out their mass framework for the AI

Since you know the engine isnt really ready

[dire dagger]

i mean tbh

physx as an option could be awesome

[fiery jungle]

but what about amd?

[dire dagger]

id pull my capture card out just to slap a 1070 in there

[dire dagger]

you can actually use physx on amd

you just need another nvidia card

WELLLL

maybe not anymore idk

i know you could way back in the day

now idk

[fiery jungle]

maybe I am mistaken then

[dire dagger]

in nvidia control panel

[torpid bay]

Oh yeah back to the days of dedicated physx cards

[dire dagger]

there is an option to dedicate a gpu to physx

if you select the one nvidia card in your system to be dedicated to physx and run the radeon as the primary it should just work

[fiery jungle]

that nvidia tech like physx or hairworks is barely used anymore (I am 26 now so not so long since I started programming (8 years), but afaik it started being not used un 2016 +-)

[torpid bay]

Before Nvidia bought Ageia they made dedicated card for it

[dire dagger]

i mean to be fair a standalone card for just physx

is kinda dumb

[torpid bay]

Think this was back in 2006

[dire dagger]

especially when said card was 400 dollars

earlier

2004

nvidia bought them in like 2007

but i looked it up actually

[torpid bay]

Man im getting too old... Years blend together

[dire dagger]

to my surprise there are some pretty big games coming out even recently

that have physx

[fiery jungle]

I was six in 2004 xD

[dire dagger]

i was 2

[torpid bay]

fml

[fiery jungle]

I wish I was 22 now

[snow orchid]

have any devs spoken about the npc derender radius

[dire dagger]

i was i was still 18

no not yet

[celest blaze]

i was 12

[wise geyser]

I was still swimming

[fiery jungle]

xD

[dire dagger]

bruh was 12 in 2004

its over

[torpid bay]

PhysX is still widely used its just not artificially borked for AMD as it was way back

[celest blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-its-over-over-blade-runner2049-blade-runner-gif-24854081

[silent cypress]

ZoneSlug put out a video. Nothing happened with A-Life or the render bubble, other than NPC can no longer travel while de-rendered.

[dire dagger]

like

uh

delta force

[fiery jungle]

34 is prime for a man

[dire dagger]

the new battlefield like game

apparently it uses physx

[torpid bay]

But epic just gotta be special so they crap out half arsed Chaos

[snow orchid]

yeah i saw it im just wondering if they have plans on fixing the derender zone or increasing it

[fiery jungle]

nice step back wtf?

[dire dagger]

we just need to get on our knees

and beg gsc to add physx

[torpid bay]

And make it harder to implement PhysX in UE5 games because they want people to use Chaos

[dire dagger]

hold on im googling this

[silent cypress]

They are never going to answer that question because they themselves don't even know.

[fiery jungle]

unity physics system > ue

[celest blaze]

havok >

[snow orchid]

probably right. though i hope they do.

[torpid bay]

Would be nice if Chaos wasnt half arsed like pretty much EVERYTHING on ue5

[fiery jungle]

open source bullet >

[snow orchid]

rubikon is pretty cool

[dire dagger]

apparently a single dev

[torpid bay]

Didnt havok recently release new trailer lol

[dire dagger]

went and fixed physx for ue5

https://markjg.com/blog/physx-in-ue5/

[snow orchid]

yes after like years of dormancy

[torpid bay]

"We are so back" ? lol

[celest blaze]

good question i just remember how memey it was in oblivion and skyrim

[silent cypress]

I still think STALKER 2 should've just used X-Ray, and I will not be hazed into giving up that opinion.

[celest blaze]

thats a common view

[torpid bay]

CryEngine stalker is what i want to see lol

[silent cypress]

Two months ago I was eaten alive by this channel for saying exactly that.

[snow orchid]

didnt star citizen use cryengine at one point

[celest blaze]

wait fr ?

[fiery jungle]

ooh man physics in creation engine are awesome, I do not know how they coded that, it works absolutely smooth with hunderds of items

[torpid bay]

Doubt its cryengine anymore. If its is wtf they spend all that money on

[celest blaze]

to this day clear sky is at the peak

[silent cypress]

It started with Cry, but it now uses an in-house custom engine.

[dire dagger]

i mean its kind of a dumb opinion

[snow orchid]

i think they have like a fork of it now called star engine

[fiery jungle]

extremely good option, although cryengine is light years away from ue

[dire dagger]

devs would have had to make a new x ray engine

for stalker 2

[noble surge]

Can I eat you

[celest blaze]

naw use Xray 1

[dire dagger]

half the entire dev time would ahve been spent just doing that

[dire dagger]

xray cant do open worlds

[fiery jungle]

neither can unreal

[silent cypress]

I'm not into vore; it's grody.

[torpid bay]

As i recall AI shenanigans are lighter on CryEngine so it could work nicely for A-LIFE

[celest blaze]

i could live without stalker 2s open world tbh

[dire dagger]

unreal is doing a better job than xray probably would

[silent cypress]

Open worlds will always be overrated. Leveled instances will always be better.

There, I said it.

[nimble cipher]

sntry has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[fiery jungle]

I was literally in the engine AI team, and I can tell you the AI engine is one of the best parts of the engine, so you are right

[dire dagger]

i mean not really?

it just cuts out all the load screens

[celest blaze]

now this really depends on the game and genre

[wise geyser]

Depends on the game red dead and cyberpunk are two examples of great fkn open worlds

[silent cypress]

Okay fine, open world is fine for driving games, I guess.

[celest blaze]

morrowind is also peak openworld

[dire dagger]

stalker 2 with levels would just be kinda dumb

[torpid bay]

When CryEngine 6!?!?

[dire dagger]

like the entire reason stalker wasn't like this orginally was

the tech was not there to make it so

[fiery jungle]

a month ago before layoffs xD

[silent cypress]

Clearly the tech still isn't here :^)

[dire dagger]

i mean the open world works flawlessly

[snow orchid]

i can see their reasoning behind using ue5 with the constraints they had during development time but if we ever get a stalker 3 we need an inhouse engine

[dire dagger]

the issues with performance are not really related to the open world

[fiery jungle]

yeah, I was working in an engine feature for crysis 4 before it was "paused"

[snow orchid]

speaking of cryengine what the hell is crytek doing rn?

[fiery jungle]

surviving as they can

[silent cypress]

My genuine stance on the matter is that if you have to gut your game before launch just to make your open world work, then clearly the technology isn't working right. The devs should've just did leveled map instances.

[torpid bay]

Guess Hunt showdown wasnt the life support Crytek hoped

[nimble sparrow]

[dire dagger]

the game was always planned to be an open world

[fiery jungle]

ofc it is not. how can a 500 employee company be sustained with a game that onm average has 30k players?

[dire dagger]

i dont think the open world part was really the problem here

[snow orchid]

wait a second hunt showdown is a crytek game??? have i been living under a rock

[silent cypress]

And I'm saying they should've scrapped that idea when it became apparent that they'd have to gut everything else just to make it work.

[fiery jungle]

yeah

[torpid bay]

I really hope they get their fortnite and pump out better cryengines to challenge this unreal slop

[dire dagger]

i mean that would make it no different from any number of mods that already exist

[torpid bay]

Royalties aint floating the boat in long run

[dire dagger]

youd be paying 60 bux for whats basically just a mod

[fiery jungle]

idk about the first part but I can assure you that the second is not happening xD, 40 people +- only in engine, and with years of tech debt... UE and unity are in their own league

[silent cypress]

An open world should be a cherry on top of an excellent product, not the foundation. If their first idea for STALKER 2 was "It's definitely going to be open world," then that explains so much about what went wrong.

[snow orchid]

please bethesda make idtech open source or at least licensable

[dire dagger]

i think the honest answer is

the devs ran out of time

[torpid bay]

Unity is still imploding and on its way to garbage dump

[dire dagger]

game should have launched in july

plain and simple

[celest blaze]

fr

[silent cypress]

I agree with that sentiment completely.

[celest blaze]

hell ida taken a 2026 release tbh but shareholders dont give fuck about waiting

[dire dagger]

i think all parts of this game open world included would have been much better had the game fully cooked

[fiery jungle]

i just want night vision

[snow orchid]

i dont think it was about shareholders tbh... it was probably more of "we're tired please just release the game"

[silent cypress]

People say this but then get upset at projects like Star Citizen.

[torpid bay]

Shareholders? GSC is private company

[silent cypress]

I don't disagree. I'm just talking about what we got on release day.

[celest blaze]

microsoft money

[torpid bay]

Well microsoft can go kindly f itself they can afford it

[dire dagger]

for starters

[celest blaze]

fr

[silent cypress]

Way too many people keep glossing over Microsoft's involvement.

[dire dagger]

they revealed the games launch date way too soon

when the first big delay happened

they should have just left it at

coming soon

[celest blaze]

i agree

[dire dagger]

for a lot longer than they did

continuing to push the date back again and again

just made everyone super angry

this is with out a date true

[torpid bay]

Day Before lol

[dire dagger]

other 2 possibilities

either they were running out of money

or they were pressured into launching early

[celest blaze]

i feel microsoft forced their hand

[silent cypress]

My vote is on this one.

[torpid bay]

Well studios can hardly stay open without money flowing in

[dire dagger]

like ik they said they just couldn't deal with the stress anymore

and i mean that might be true but

i kinda get the idea thats just a better answer to give the public

[snow orchid]

did you guys hear squad is going to ue5

[celest goblet]

Probably some combination of money and extended crunch with no launch I feel

[dire dagger]

they cant really say Microsoft forced our hand

[celest goblet]

At the end of the documentary they talk about how they have stretched their resources, and that footage was shot at gamescom 2023. Delaying over another year can't have made that easier.

[silent cypress]

I hate that these companies are making me hate this engine.

[snow orchid]

my pc gonna die this year

[torpid bay]

It is already dead

[fiery jungle]

fck unreal

[dire dagger]

honestly i think games problem is just it needs physx

radeons already run the game so mcuh better

[snow orchid]

all that work on importing the game to ue5 just so tanks dont hard stop at a 2 inch tall bush

[dire dagger]

give us geforce guys something to work with here

[silent cypress]

Someone on Twitter said something to the effect of:
"You all complain about Bethesda using its old engine, but the moment they announce a new Elder Scrolls on Unreal 5 is the moment you stop buying Elder Scrolls games."

And that kind of just resonated with me.

[snow orchid]

i just dont understand why everyone is hopping on unreal

[celest goblet]

Everyone knows how to use it

[dire dagger]

litterally this

[silent cypress]

Ease of use + "muh pretty graphics!"

[snow orchid]

stability should be a priority too though

[dire dagger]

way easier to hire a dev

if your using unreal

because you dont then need to spend months training them on how to use your engine

[drifting niche]

Without ue S2 would not exist

[torpid bay]

Moment Bethesda abandons its creation engine for these RPG's is moment i stop buying those

[dire dagger]

yah but it could have been eu4

[silent cypress]

This is not necessarily a bad thing, if you believe in Bushido and a warrior's death.

[dire dagger]

which doesnt suffer from nearly as many problems

[snow orchid]

ue4 is so much more stable than ue5

[torpid bay]

UE4 games run like you are trying to run in tar

[dire dagger]

who cares

its stable

[silent cypress]

Nobody will say it out loud but the Creation Engine is all Bethesda has left in terms of a discernable identity. The moment it goes it'll just make FarCry copies like everyone else.

[dire dagger]

thats what matters

[snow orchid]

true but at least it doesnt turn my 4000 dollar pc into a jet engine

[celest goblet]

The body of evidence that UE5 has chronic issues was not really there at the time they had to commit to a version because it had basically only just been announced

The pains of early adoption

[torpid bay]

Loading screen fest works for Elder scrolls type game but not for space lol

[dire dagger]

bro wdym

[silent cypress]

Yes I think we all agree that was the issue with Starfield, lol.

[dire dagger]

fallout 4 is famous for its 5 minute long load screens lol

[torpid bay]

Eh fixed with mods

[snow orchid]

shouldn't the lack of evidence of issues because of it being new and shiny turn you away from deciding it being the engine of choice

[silent cypress]

I must be special because my loading screens only ever reach 5 seconds long on a bad day.

[dire dagger]

you are special

be proud

[snow orchid]

people dont buy brand new cars on day 1 of release because of that exact reason

[torpid bay]

If you want to be caveman you can even make it so it unlocks fps during loading screen to have 1sec loads

[dire dagger]

cars are a bad example

because cars never really go out of style

cars are good forever

as long as they keep running

[snow orchid]

except mitsubishis

[dire dagger]

well there gone

[silent cypress]

They made the planes that bombed Pearl Harbor.

[dire dagger]

there is just a skin walker parading around in there corpse

[torpid bay]

You paid for the pc and now you are going to use all of the pc

[clear raft]

Did they fix the broken radiant quests (Harpy, etc)?

[snow orchid]

that makes sense considering they also make cars that are also bombs

[silent cypress]

Me when all my usage percentages in task manager are 100% (I'm getting my money's worth):

[silent cypress]

Still fighting the war 80 years later. That's dedication.

[torpid bay]

Until it turns out to be microsofts "Superfetch" that uses 100%

[dire dagger]

7700k mfs be like

[silent cypress]

At least Apple tells me up front that it won't let me use my computer for anything.

[dire dagger]

8gbs of ram on a mac is like 16 gigs on pc

apple quote of the centry

[torpid bay]

Yeah but you are buying into cult with those

[snow orchid]

"nah bruh you paid for a 10k dollar art piece not a computer"

[dire dagger]

me looking at the thinkpad by lenovo

[silent cypress]

Yeah I'm not actually buying an Apple, I was making a joke at Microsoft's expense.

[dire dagger]

also an art piece

[torpid bay]

100 bucks for a monitor stand!? like cmon

[dire dagger]

but 1/5 the price

[silent cypress]

All Apple computers are just email and Facebook machines.

[torpid bay]

And its not included with the monitor you buy

Wireless mouse and you have to buy this specific cable for it separately to be able to use it

Was quite hilarious stream tbh

Knowing how people will light their money on fire for that logo. Thus its a cult

[dire dagger]

ill light my money on fire for a cult but

[torpid bay]

Probably waiting for jobs to rise and take them off this cursed planet

[dire dagger]

not for that one

[silent cypress]

I still can't believe there was a time when Apple was an innovative company.

[dire dagger]

ill light my money on fire for this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eluauXRbxlE&pp=ygUMcm90YXJ5IG5vaXNl

[static compass]

Cult

[snow orchid]

BRAAAAAAP

[static compass]

Of the lamb

[dire dagger]

cult of the rotor

we are all fools but at least we know it

wait

what

how is this a thing

the rhino is like

better than almost every sniper in the game

what

💀

[silent cypress]

Snipers in S2 have always been cheeks.

And pistols have always been cracked. The USP45 carries you through most of the game.

[dire dagger]

the usp sucks bro

well it did until this update

now its slightly better

because skifs pistol got a giant nerf

[silent cypress]

THEY NERFED THE USP!?

Dead game, bad game. Trash, worthless, terrible.

[dire dagger]

the usp was never good bro

what

[snow orchid]

my lynx is pretty good

[dire dagger]

until this update

its stats were a direct downgrade from skifs pistol

in every where way except mag capacity

[snow orchid]

oh

[mellow locust]

every weapon is good if you are a good shot and use the right ammo xD

[kindred drum]

[silent cypress]

The USP was meta since the game released. You're the first person who I've ever heard says it sucked.

[tawny comet]

They fixed the USP stats?

[dire dagger]

what

dude the usp was a direct downgrade from skifs pistol

🤨

[snow orchid]

it literally said it in the stats did it not

[silent cypress]

It still 1-tapped heads and you could put a laser on it with a much bigger magazine.

[dire dagger]

the pen on skifs pistol was the same as the usp

but the ammo for skifs pistol is way more common

[silent cypress]

Look man: all I know is everyone and their mama was rocking the USP.

[dire dagger]

well idk what they were thinking but

it does look cooler

so maybe thats it but

it was a direct downgrade in every way lol

and when you got an apsb

it was over

gun is insanely cracked

idk if they nerfed it though

[kindred drum]

Chat can anyone sum up all the gun balance changes

[restive iron]

Did they solve the AI being crack shots when not anywhere reasonably visible to the player?

[shut fjord]

Sorta

[restive iron]

I'll take progress

[zealous pumice]

Me with 3,000 rounds of 45

[shut fjord]

They miss a lot more often

[steady lantern]

USP has worse stats than the starter makarov, and uses rarer ammo, there's no incentive to use it aside from cool factor if you like tacticool stuff

[zealous pumice]

That's enough for me

[restive iron]

Would be nice if they simply didn't "see" the player. Don't know how many times I've been peppered by heat vision AI

[zealous pumice]

I'm here to have fun not analyse stats

[steady lantern]

not that pistols serve much use anyway once you get a rifle duppressor

only 2 handguns in the entire game, and the only other one is a downgrade lol

[thorny blaze]

It's not worth redownloading

[thorny blaze]

Oh okay thanks for letting me know

[celest portal]

Faust moment

[austere phoenix]

is performance/optimziation any better after this patch?

[dire dagger]

its slightly better

[tawny flume]

Has anyone tested to see if npcs are persistent or not yet or they still disappear after a distance like in offline mode

[dire dagger]

someone tested

and they still do

[crystal merlin]

I won't be able to touch the game until tomorrow.
Can anyone check to see if the enemies can still loot the armor from their fallen comrades.
Yes I know it patched according to the patch note but, I'm on hopium.
Without a new game plus I don't know what to do other than armor farming.

[dire dagger]

they dont

[tawny flume]

Still not persistent?

[dire dagger]

nope

[dire dagger]

as the path notes say

no

[tawny flume]

Damn

[dire dagger]

i mean it allowed you to get the best armor in the game for free so

hardly a surprise they removed it

[noble surge]

I wonder how the hell they managed to make offline A-Life work to that level in the trilogy lol

[dire dagger]

they didn't

thats how

lol

[crystal merlin]

If only I spent more to farm for more.
Currently I only have 17 Diamonds, 19 Rubies, 8 Brummbar, 9 Operator, all unmodded.
I think I got all of the modded ones though.

[dire dagger]

a life in current patch is kinda just fucked lol

[dire dagger]

and thats like a million bux of stuff for free lol

but anyway

im sleepin

buh bye

[lofty helm]

[blazing pollen]

talk to our boss

i fck hate this dialog

[celest portal]

[lofty helm]

I just cant stop posting

[lapis jasper]

Anyone know if the new patch fixed the ||Assault on the Duga|| bug? Literally cant progress the game until that one is fixed

[patent mortar]

What about it? Might want to talk about it in #☢┃stalker-general since it's spoiler.

How's the major update so far?

[silent blade]

Hows the new patch worth jumping in or let it cook for some more time?

[main sun]

Is anyone still having issues with the repeatable quests mine are still locked out

[buoyant coyote]

wait did they patch the game again, just got on steam tonight and their is another 11gb download

[main sun]

@buoyant coyote they did

[buoyant coyote]

Was it for the A-life bugs or something else?

[main sun]

It's for a number of fixes and balancing tweaks

[buoyant coyote]

Ah

[lime yew]

Well, it looks like when I pick up PDAs my notes don't update and they are not in my inventory

[dim topaz]

Funny how CoP had the same system but it was never an issue there because the boss was highlighted on the minimap

[tawny flume]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-kill-you-love-selfie-gif-12788157

[dim topaz]

Hello, is this Alex Jones?

[clear elm]

Fixed a lot of issues, but it somehow feels lackluster

[dull birch]

How's the new patch?

[outer laurel]

Wouldn't mind minimap again cause right finding enemies is more pain than ever

[dim topaz]

You have to look around for minutes only to realize the boss is the one NOT wearing an exo, but the rags, or that the boss is somewhere inside a building, whereas the others aren't

[outer laurel]

I just want to know from where are they shooting at me

[crystal merlin]

Do enemies drop better gears now(more armors helmet, less red guns), or is it the same?

[outer laurel]

Same

[tawny comet]

Xbox sometimes just takes forever loading anything. Backpack, weapon wheel, hud, can’t even press start at times to save and quit

[twin pulsar]

Eh well, update seems like a big let down so that’s disappointing. Dunno wtf GSC have been doing for the last months but whatever, back to Bohemia

[torpid totem]

How's that patch disappointing exactly?
I don't get it

[civic fiber]

guys going to the red forest I am getting heavy psy damage - is there like brainscorcher to be turned off or what?

[cunning vigil]

Welp performance hasn't changed.

[sly matrix]

#☢┃stalker-general for spoiler discussions

[civic fiber]

ah wrong channel - sorry

[cunning vigil]

How can I run Alan Wake 2 on med to high setting and get decent fps and stalker 2 runs like crap. Alan wake 2 looks better imo.

[north wasp]

Soo did anyone else experienced all saves corrupted since the new patch?

[civic fiber]

Nope and I was even running mods

[civic fiber]

Optimalisation ... as if this wasnt obvious.

[north wasp]

Unlucky then

[late umbra]

yeah

[sly matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/completly-normal-phenomenon-chernobyl-normal-completely-gif-15280147

[civic fiber]

I am thrilled to see shadowcasting flashlight finally - even tho I know it was just a question of few lines of console commands to set it up (like the mod did) ... why 70% of all flora still lacks shadows - thats beyond me though xD what the hell?

[cunning vigil]

I know. But it's been months and they still haven't optimized?

[torpid totem]

Personal opinion + different Bottleneck + different game

[cunning vigil]

I was being patient, but this is just too long

[torpid totem]

Do people believe there's a literal "optimize" button? We got a LOT of fixes this patch relating to performance

[late umbra]

hoping they actually address this rather than telling everyone with the corrupted save issue to start a new game. especially since i actually have time to game this weekend

[dire dagger]

Dr. jones

[hearty compass]

If my doctor was Alex Jones i would cry myself to sleep

[cunning vigil]

Alan wake 2 also has proper RT instead of the lumen crap

[civic fiber]

Months ... 1/ optimalisation on level that Alan Wake 2 has in the linear levels it has or KDC2 if you want to be bit more objective takes a ton of work. If it wasnt done already, there are reasons for it and nothing much will be done about it in the future, unless GSC updates their UE5 version to UE5,5 and starts using megalights instead of lumen and other featuers that allow for much better CPU performance - which is currently a massive bottleneck. 2/ You are comparing entirely different levels of studios. GSC is prettymuch indiee studio, with most of the original team gone right after shoc (they are making metro, the OG stalekr devs) + GSC were never very good in optimalisation. While Remedy are masters at it using their in house engine that they were developing for decades. and so on and so forth...

[torpid totem]

It literally uses lumen. Now you're just lying 😂

[cunning vigil]

Alan Wake 2 doesn't use UE5 so that is impossible.

[cunning vigil]

Still, after months of patches, playing a game at 40fps is not fun.

[civic fiber]

Wont change

forget it, maybe in few more months it will be 45 FPS. as I said Unless something like switching to UE5,5 it will stay as it is now. maybe they will discover some major problems in the code and upon fixing that it can get better, seen that with pysical based rendering in carmageddon reincarnation back in 2014, but realistically we will just have to throw more and more powerful hardware at it, just like we did with old stalkers and now almost 20 years later OG stalkers run great, no? You know what GSC did to optimize those games? Zilch, nada, NOTHING...

[torpid totem]

Brother the game literally does software raytracing even when you disable rt. They literally use equivalent of Lumen for even non RT modes.

[torpid totem]

The game being optimized won't shoot you up to 60. My expectation of the game being optimized is no stutter and good frame times. Not much about framerate itself. After this game being fully optimized I wouldnt be surprised if your 40 jumped to 45-50 and that's about it. With a lot better latency and frametimes

Also if you're talking framerates you at least should say what machine is getting you those results and what settings. I can also get 45 frames if I go 4k

[cunning vigil]

Even cyberpunk 2077 runs better

[torpid totem]

Cyberpunk always ran better cause it uses redengine 😂
He cries for optimizing but has no idea what optimizing would bring to the game I feel like.

I might be wrong, but that is how it shows

[twin pulsar]

Honestly they should just release mod tools asap, seems pretty hopeless for anything otherwise

[torpid totem]

That'd be cool, but I believe they want to get the game to the proper state they want it to be.

[hearty compass]

And you say that Alan Wake 2 uses lumen because it uses software raytracing. Thats like saying I drive a Ferrari just because I have a VW Golf.

And no, optimization will do more than just improve low 1%s it all depends on what they ate optimizing.

Optimization is making code more efficient, this means doing the same job, but faster. It is highly unlikeky that the 40 fps he gets will magically become 60

[torpid totem]

Bro forgot what "equivalent" means and started talking about cars, lovely

[hearty compass]

And you forgot what literally means

[torpid totem]

That's why you read the conversation before posting, not Chim in ignoring everything after

[celest portal]

Cars are cool, this argument isn't

[hazy helm]

You're driving a golf
You won
Switching to a Ferrari would, in fact, be a downgrade

[cunning vigil]

You know a game is not optimized when changing graphics settings does nothing to your FPS.

[torpid totem]

Depends what setting and depends on your hardware

[cunning vigil]

Low settings has the same FPS as high settings

[hearty compass]

Thats what im saying my dude lol

[cunning vigil]

Point is I shouldnt need a 9800X3D and a 5090 to get more then 60fps

[hearty compass]

Yeah I mean it points more towards hardware bottleneck than the game needing optimizations.

[torpid totem]

Brother. You say ur frames, your problems. But you avoid talking about hardware u have these problems on

[hazy helm]

No you're making some stupid tech allegory
I'm purely talking cars
If you owned, own or will own a Ferrari you're just an idiot

[lean creek]

idk what you mean, it runs alright on ultra

[hearty compass]

Ey

1. it was a good tech allegory
2. I cant afford a Ferrari dude im a software developer, im taking my golf 2

[hazy helm]

Your golf is better
Do not demean yourself by choosing a worse car

[hearty compass]

Is the golf 2 worse?

[torpid totem]

It would be good if I knew anything about cars tbh. But we're not in Forza server. I tbh have very little idea what you said there xD

[hazy helm]

no the ferrari is

[torpid totem]

I gotta respect dude reading it and just saying "fuck that car" 😂 that's just funny

[cunning vigil]

I have a 5900X and a 3080

[hearty compass]

Different performance and aesthetics of the cars were basically the point, as well as Different tech under the hood

[torpid totem]

I have 3080 running 70-80 frames ur doing SMTH wrong 😂 and 13700k

[hearty compass]

Real af dude stay based

[hearty compass]

What resolution do you play at? Also how much RAM you got

[torpid totem]

True that also matter. My setting are fine at high preset, no RT. 1440p DLLS on quality pulls 70 frame and around 130-140 with frame gen

[lean creek]

i have worse cpu and almost identical gpu (4070 ti super is not heaps better than 3080) and it runs smooth apart from occasional hiccup

one thing i reduced was hair to medium because i saw somewhere that highest quality hair can tank fps
dunno if it's actually still true

[torpid totem]

Also I mind remind you that 3080 is 5-6 years old... U shouldnt expect ultra on that in modern games lol

[hearty compass]

I got a 4070 super and 9800x3d and get 70-90fps at all epic settings at 1080p

[torpid totem]

The GPU Bottleneck is crazy, what do you need that CPU for

[hearty compass]

Star Citizen lmao

[torpid totem]

Ok fair 😂 same reason I have 13700k with 3080 😂

[hearty compass]

Real as hell dude

[torpid totem]

Before upgrading to that I had 8700k lol.... And 16ram... First thing I did was temporary upgrade to that 32 ddr4 😂
All just for SC

[hearty compass]

Yeah RAM is super important in SC, its the difference between crashing and actually playing.

Although adding a 20gb pagefile atleast makes sure you go down to 10fps rather than crash lmao

[torpid totem]

With elevators around I rather crash than add stutter that will most likely crush me in elevator 😂 or shoot me up from the station cause why not

I need to download the game again, it's been a while

[hearty compass]

Eeeeh i would wait until next patch, 4.0.2 is broken to shid

[torpid totem]

The more fun to it 😂 I'll get me gf to play too and it'll be hilarious

Also funny thing I just remembered, we got a friend to try out SC. we took him to the ship and I told him to hold backspace to open the ship

[hearty compass]

Oh broooo

[torpid totem]

Best random keybind istg

[hearty compass]

Dude i met a guy in SC who legit has short term memory loss, it was so fun to play with him, everything was like a new experience to him, we stood untop the carrack hangar door when it still had gravity and dif a Magda orbit with Magda above us and he completely lost his mind

[torpid totem]

Bro got an infinite glitch of teaching dude the game wtf 😭 the best times

[hearty compass]

Lmao it did require some patience tho, I had to teach him how to put on armor like 15 times

[unreal raptor]

how is the game after the patch, hesitant to get involved at this point unless it's a huge upgrade?

[empty gorge]

a-life next to none changes

[unreal raptor]

Yeah I read the patch notes hoping but it seems like looting was added... oh and roar. Guess I'm waiting. 2077 all over again — this time with my fav franchise of all time.

[empty gorge]

pretty much the looting yeah, other stuff are fixes for ai but not the simulation or more work for the simulation, but rest assured! alife 2.0 is most important on their list (yes i know fixing foundational bugs like hardstucked quest is more important than piling stuff on top) still funny to mention

[dim topaz]

Oh hey you finally crossed the threshold where you won't get insane input lag with framegen

[feral totem]

I hope it will have the redemption arc 2077 had. That would be so good

[dim topaz]

This might be an unpopular opinion but for me it never became the game it was first advertised as, just polished up a lot

[feral totem]

I very much agree. Although I doubt they could ever achieve what they have promised in the first place..

[dim topaz]

Hence the good old saying "underpromise and overdeliver"
But companies tend to have it backwards

[sly viper]

roaming NPCs do not require me to lower my gun to talk to them, do safe zones ask you now?

[sly viper]

we are still waiting for molit to check up with the devs if "pip scopes will be included back on release"

[dim topaz]

Looking at their optimization so far, they probably saved like 20-30 frames by just cutting their implementation of them lol

I don't expect such luxuries for a good while

[feral totem]

They always want to hype things up beforehand. Literally every company in gaming industry

[wise geyser]

Ong lmao this is exactly what I was hoping for it not to be but is what it is

Though I won’t lie I’m the Alife isn’t the main thing I just don’t know to what extent other things were broken as a result of this patch. But once people start noting them and I get a gauge at what they fixed compared to what’s now broke I’ll determine if I wanna start my full fledge playthrough

[tiny token]

meow

[dim topaz]

That's why the triple A industry deserves to be put down like a sick dog

[cunning vigil]

I'm not playing on Ultra? Nor do I expect to.

[cunning vigil]

I'm playing on Medium and I got 40 to 50fps

[copper kelp]

at least yours are better than mine... My GPU is 1060 3GB.