⭐┃nospoilers_general

[sour goblet]

what an observation (im being satire)

[worn oar]

Modding tools should be similar in concept to the old ones, and if I'm not mistaken, modder will be able to do edit much of the game with limitations ofc

[hazy harness]

What's a "soup" mod ?

[worn oar]

Idk much about it, I only read about it somewhere I forgot

It can be true and it can be otherwise

[wraith socket]

I don't know why the AM and PM reference? When I was in the Military we used Military time, which was a 24 hour clock, not a 12 hour clock.

[worn oar]

It was one of the previews I think

[sour goblet]

soup

[rotund summit]

I'm just digging into Americanisms

[rocky trellis]

24 hour clock is the standard clock in Europe as well... hearing it being called military time sounds weird

[boreal mica]

The same as the NASA uses metric. It's more accurate and faster.

[wraith socket]

Pecan Pie, Apple Pie, Blueberry Pie. No watermelons.

[rotund summit]

b-but... watermelon pie...

[indigo marsh]

It is a mod that adds a metric shit ton of content.

[hazy harness]

soup mod = big mod
noted thanks

[boreal mica]

Like the communicate says: the blowout will happen on 2pm and half the zone died

[nimble cipher]

dating has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rotund summit]

ope no swearing

[boreal mica]

you should swear in month/day/year to keep the proper... Dating

[rotund summit]

not necessarily a big mod, think of it more as a mod that adds a loooot of different stuff together, sometimes for seemingly no reason. like some soups you'd encounter and think "why on god's green earth is this a thing"

[wraith socket]

They can't have non-Americans killing everyone aboard a Space Station because they can't understand a system of measurement that existed before the Metric system was invented.

[rotund summit]

also update, I searched my system for .sav files and my recent saves just up and vanished. welp

[boreal mica]

hola amigo, even google says that imperial is 1824, and metric 1795

you should use the day/month/year so you would know, that metric was invented before imperial

[rotund summit]

gotta use dd/mm/yyyy. anything else is madness

[boreal mica]

dating has spoken sacred words about dating

[wraith socket]

I guess I'm thinking more of when the rest of the world adopted it So I stand corrected.

[rotund summit]

this one gets it

[crisp ruin]

I was thinking to make a mod after this game releases, I miss modding so much, thanks to Starfield. That made me to hate modding.

[worn oar]

Seeing too much offtopic

[worn oar]

You modded?

[wraith socket]

Shit. I gotta go to work. Thanks for waking me up out of my trance of the metric mind-pull. Damn Controllers.

[boreal mica]

We are discussing if we play 20 of november or 11 of the non existent month

[rotund summit]

the metric mind-pull 💀
come to the dark side... we have cookies units easily multiplied and divided by 10's

[crisp ruin]

Few games; The Sims 2 - 4, map mods for HL mods

[boreal mica]

even european friday starts earlier

[rotund summit]

I do miss making maps for cs 1.6... good ol' Hammer

[worn oar]

huh?

[worn oar]

Sheesh

[crisp ruin]

I'm good at maps btw

[worn oar]

Well, when the time is right, I'd love to see you modding stalker 2

[crisp ruin]

but I wanted to get better like adding NPCs

[worn oar]

So, will I if I managed to find time

[boreal mica]

dunno, i've tried to sound smart

[crisp ruin]

Just hoping that this supports lua or python scripting

[indigo marsh]

I mean it's a mod that adds a lot of content. Gamma is a huge mod in size but doesn't really add anything. The largest soup mod in terms of content is OP and it is a fourth of the size of gamma.

[crisp ruin]

I don't wanna learn C++

[worn oar]

not working

[rotund summit]

C++ 💀

[worn oar]

I have no idea tbh! Never modded UE

I might find it to my liking or not

Soon we'll know for sure

[crisp ruin]

My few friends did UE games modding but msot games doesn't have modding support, they only do model swapping and changing textures

[worn oar]

Also, I believe this all should be in the modifications channel

[boreal mica]

uh, oh

[crisp ruin]

yees but modding for this game not out yet

[dire nimbus]

can repositon mods crash

[crisp ruin]

I'm just planing rn

[dire nimbus]

efp repos 1.5.1 on anomaly 1.5.3 works fine

[worn oar]

Well, we'll be having modding support. I just hope it'll be limited to certain aspect to prevent some weird ass mods from resurfacing

If you know, you know

[crisp ruin]

sex mods

[dire nimbus]

LOL

[crisp ruin]

I'll downloading it

[worn oar]

I meant something else

Also

That's wack of you

[crisp ruin]

no man, you don't wanna see when I see.... Nude mod of Richter

[indigo marsh]

Wack

[crisp ruin]

anyways I'm freak

[rotund summit]

the real question is

interactive Sidorovich nude mod when

[worn oar]

Rule N°3

Hovering around

Both of you

My brain has enough rott from granma anomaly comments

[rotund summit]

fair

[rocky trellis]

Richter Richardo mod when?

Those 2 names are quite close...

[worn oar]

[sour goblet]

im going to try gamma/anomaly, what even is the name for it? are they two seperate mods?

[granite mortar]

its abysmal dogshit

[rotund summit]

gamma is a modpack for anomaly

[sour goblet]

oh

[rotund summit]

anomaly is a standalone stalker game pretty much

[sour goblet]

im not really looking for story or any of that other stuff i just want to play a sandbox ver because i really liked the games (especially soc)

[granite mortar]

literally Call of Chernobyl

[rotund summit]

if you join the GAMMA discord, they have very clear installation instructions on there

[granite mortar]

every mod is

[broken latch]

Don't go down that dark path

[broken latch]

No

[granite mortar]

so clear that you get banned if you ask for help

[rotund summit]

wat

[granite mortar]

every mod other than gunpacks is like a new game

[indigo marsh]

Only repacks

[rotund summit]

because following instructions is so hard

[granite mortar]

no
because gamma installation is unecessairly convoluted so you HAVE to go to their server to ask for help

[rotund summit]

it's not though. you just download anomaly and the gamma installer, and let it run its course

[granite mortar]

any mod that changes the gameplay or story in significant way
be it standalone or not

[rotund summit]

yes but anomaly is literally standalone since it doesn't go on top of an existing installation

[granite mortar]

solid 30% of mods are

Anomaly isnt a special case
and never has been

[rotund summit]

that went from all mods to 30% of mods real quick

[granite mortar]

all standalone mods are basically new game but not all new games are standalone

just like all thumbs are fingers but not all fingers are thumbs

[rotund summit]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-funny-cat-wondering-big-eyes-cat-big-eyes-gif-9858687667051649619

embed failure laugh at me pls

[granite mortar]

just because mods like Thorny Way go on top of trilogy game doesnt mean they arent a new game

[sour goblet]

just sounds like a hard sandbox stalker game

[rotund summit]

you're confusing the word standalone with new game

[gaunt walrus]

getting into stalker what should i try first

[rotund summit]

complete overhaul mod is not the same as a standalone game

[rotund summit]

shadow of chernobyl

[indigo marsh]

Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl

[granite mortar]

its just Call of Chernobyl with worse optimization, artificial difficulty and item bloat
if you just want to roam freely then by all means play Call of Chernobyl

[granite mortar]

I said new game
not standalone game
obviously if you install it on top of existing game its not standalone

[gaunt walrus]

any solid animation mods for it though?

[sour goblet]

ive never played that mod or other mods/modpacks at all

[rotund summit]

I like parts of what GAMMA tries to do, but I prefer EFP. shooting ten bullets and then having to repair your gun isn't fun

[granite mortar]

Call of Chernobyl is just Call of Pripyat with simpler repeatable quest design and more maps
all trilogy maps + few cut ones
its nice mod

[indigo marsh]

Like for weapon reload anims? SWR (Stalker Weapon Reanimation) for SoC

[granite mortar]

while I dislike gamma it has some good stuff
like the progressive loot where the further north you go the better loot you get
story mods do that naturally but with freeplay it has been an issue

[gaunt walrus]

yup thanks!

[rotund widget]

Ievgen Grygorovych got interviewed by Mirror Gaming #📸┃screens_and_videos message

[granite mortar]

oh also
please
make manual saves, on your first playthrough you will likely need to go back a few saves few times

[granite mortar]

when interview with Sergay?

[gaunt walrus]

i mean i already play a ton of bethesda rpgs

[rocky trellis]

"Standalone" is used for mods that can exist without the existence of the base game

[gaunt walrus]

i would do it anyway lmao

[granite mortar]

thanks captain obvious

[rocky trellis]

the way you said it made it seem like it wasn't quite obvious...

[granite mortar]

I never said all mods are standalone
I said most mods change the games enough to be considered a new game

other than gunpacks of course
every total conversion mod, be it standalone or not, is basically its own game

[hot tree]

isn't there only men in the games o-o???

[rocky trellis]

calling something a new game very heavily implies that it is standalone... would be weird for a game to require another game to run not be standalone... Gmod is the only one that I know used to do that

[granite mortar]

"every total conversion mod, be it standalone or not, is basically its own game"

Emphasis on word BASICALLY

[indigo marsh]

Calling something a new game implies that it adds a good amount of new content. You can have games that add content and not be standalone.

[rocky trellis]

yea but that's still exactly same game, no matter how many mods you add

[granite mortar]

its evolution of the game
Same way CoP is evolution of CS which is evolution of SoC

[rotund widget]

I think at this point you should ask @pure heart about that 😁

[pure heart]

👀

[indigo marsh]

Not really. You can have a mod that adds a lot of content or changes the original story and have it still be a mod that requires the base game.

[granite mortar]

when interview with Sergay Sidorovich?

[granite mortar]

Peak Company 2 my beloved

[indigo marsh]

Messenger does that too

And I am guessing since Bad company 2 does it and messenger does it, bad company also does it.

[rocky trellis]

as long as you use the base game for your mods it will never be a new game. Standalone mods are basically not new games either. You have to almost completely separate it from the original game for it to be a new game. Examples such as Dota or DayZ that started as a mod, but eventually cut out the original game sufficiently to be recognized as different game.

[indigo marsh]

A new game in this context is being a total conversion. Not a whole different game.

[rotund summit]

if you use mods on an existing game, like on top of SoC, it can philosophically be a "new game" but never technically

[rocky trellis]

Well... don't think there's any point arguing about that any further. Don't think we would argee on much of anything since to me in this context new and different mean almost the same. A game can be different but not new, but a new game would be both new and different.

[rotund summit]

I think that's where this confusing discussion is having troubles clearing lol

[pure heart]

Come on, why did you deform his name? 😄 His name is Sergiy Grygorovych. And you know he's busy right now, Sergiy and his Lesia UA Foundation helps Ukrainian soldiers.

[granite mortar]

his name is too complicated
I will use "Giga Griga", "Roller Skate Griga" or "Pepsiman" from now on since its simpler

if I ever make a mod I will replace the TV video of OL Messer running on the railway with Sergay roller skating through GSC offices

[pure heart]

To be honest, I'm wondering why did you tag me in this case 😄

[pure heart]

Aaaah okay... but I don't like it 😄

[pure heart]

https://tenor.com/view/gsc-game-world-gsc-roller-skates-roller-skating-skating-gif-6304804741735934248

[rotund widget]

Your interview with Andriy Prokhorov was wonderful, I guess it would've been awesome for you to get Sergiy on an interview somewhere down the line 😄

[pure heart]

Oh... thank you for reading!

[granite mortar]

I love how its the first gif to come up when you search GSC in tenor

[dense hatch]

depending on what counts as standalone there might not be any new ones once the updated ToS goes into effect

[granite mortar]

yes
please interview Sergay

[pure heart]

Sergiy!

[granite mortar]

Sergay Sidorovich

[pure heart]

😂

[pure heart]

Seriously, it's possible in future. I would want to do it. But of course I can't promise anything.

[rotund widget]

It would've been great, you're certainly the man for the job 👌🏻

[pure heart]

Oh man... you flatter me 😂

[dapper ember]

To any Xbox players of Clear Sky, please tell me that the Stone Blood artifact can be found outside of the Swamps. Like, maybe, Military Warehouse?

[broken latch]

It's not even hard

It's easier then the triology

Two shots in torso with a pistol and they are dead

[icy tiger]

Just realized Degtyarev isn't an actual stalker cause stalkers are people who illegally trespass in the Chernobyl zone but Degtyarev was sent in the zone to investigate by the government making him not a stalker. just a random thought that came into my head

[ebon hatch]

Sidorovich trailer when GSC?

[naive fog]

We need Nimble trailer

He gotta be in HoC

[broken latch]

Yes, later he asked for free entry into the zone

But how else would you call him

[pure heart]

By the way... Unofficial Call of Prypiat videos from the creator of the official trailers #📸┃screens_and_videos message

[worthy lagoon]

He was a stalker

[worn oar]

Chymo can get gammabrainrott from time to time

Sergiy is a man to be respected

[naive fog]

What would you come up for the peak Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz

[dense hatch]

he's a military stalker

which is technically still a stalker

[icy tiger]

ah... that's right

[dense hatch]

it's not like he really gets support until the last third of the game

even then they probably would've taken anyone at that point

[copper otter]

What time in UTC is stalker 2 going to be released on the 20th?

[indigo marsh]

He becomes his own worst enemy

[normal quail]

nice observatio

so because of misery is that mods are clutterd with junk?

i think you cant really create a frankenstein because weapon anly accept generic parts that most weapons in its category uses

[lime gull]

Hoping and praying and putting all my toes and fingers together for the Nov 20th date to stay the release date through the next 3 weeks 🙏

[normal quail]

@wraith socketdo you have the link of the porno barkeep is watching in his tv?

[dense hatch]

what

oh mods

[hushed robin]

tbf the amount of random new junk stuff is overwhelming at first but you get used to it quickly, plus a lot of it is actually helpful cus they can be broken down into parts for things that will actually help you, in gamma that is anyway dunno about other mods

[worthy lagoon]

@normal quail play Goldsphere

My beloved pericov

[normal quail]

chamoy dont want me to play it yet

[worn oar]

Sad

[crisp ruin]

Good night bros

[worthy lagoon]

What

[worn oar]

Chamoy

Funniest thing I read so far today

[indigo marsh]

We have Chamoy, Crispy, and ramen. All 3 nicknames are related to food.

[normal quail]

He said not for begginers

[worthy lagoon]

Who

[normal quail]

Yeah seems good

[normal quail]

Chamoy

[worthy lagoon]

Who is he

[normal quail]

The cat dude

[worthy lagoon]

Chymo?

@granite mortar

[normal quail]

Yeah

[worthy lagoon]

What did he tell you to start with then

[normal quail]

Thorny way

He said it was peak
I just felt it okayish

[rocky trellis]

Good thing that that sentence started with T... without it that sentence would sound so wrong. Good thing it's almost 3am brain not working at 100%

[ornate sand]

Hey, I’m trying to purchase the pre-order right now for a physical copy and all that I keep on getting is a wonderful image of Sidorovich popping up every time I try and buy could anyone help me please?

[slate hinge]

yeah i got that too

was just about to ask about that

does it mean its sold out?

[dense hatch]

same question for the 15th time

[indigo marsh]

I mean... That's the name of the mod

[ornate sand]

I believe it is from what I’ve read into Q&A a section

[ornate sand]

Yeah, you’re probably gonna get a lot of the same question because some people tried saving up, so they could buy this game and when they finally had it in their budget, go to purchase it and they can’t figure out why.

So they are going to come here to find out why

[dense hatch]

just search it man

I guarantee it's been answered

[lime gull]

Checking the recently answered questions, the order site is down. Sid is taking over for now.

[frail axle]

Sid needs to release the site I need to buy this 😫

[ornate sand]

Oh, that explains it

I did try looking up if it down, but didn’t see anything

[nimble cipher]

whitefeather2005 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ornate sand]

OK, I found it. I’m just blind as a dog

[slate hinge]

that sucks, i went to to buy it once and it said it wasnt in australia, and id get emailed when i could get it here. never got the email and now its sold out

[tacit otter]

I signed up for the email for USA, as far as I know, it never happened. Luckily, I ordered the Xbox ultimate, so I'll be getting that. Of course, I had to order the PC version, but I just did that on steam.

I don't even own an Xbox lol

[slate hinge]

lol

[lime gull]

I bought the ultimate edition on Steam so I didn't have to worry about the physical copy supply issues

[pallid spruce]

I sure to love leveling up 2 times in just under a minute

NO MY MILITARY COLOR AND EMBLEM!

This is absurd.

I've leveled up 3 times in under 10 minutes

I am just good.

Or Wolf has looked favorably upon my return.

[polar orchid]

hold up

s2 is gonna be on xbox and also controller compatible, does that mean its gonna be wattered down?

[bronze falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ocelot-youre-pretty-good-video-game-gif-11543511

You're pretty good

[bronze falcon]

No

[polar orchid]

did anyone ever ask the devs what happened to scopes in scopes?

[pallid spruce]

First was normal, then I reacted to the recent thing, level up, said something again, level up.

Still disappointed I lost my military color and emblem but boo hoo I guess.

[vague harbor]

Is it just me or is it impossible to get the fetch quests for bandits in the garbage in clear sky

[pallid spruce]

Would tell, but don't know, forgot you could even play Bandits

[vague harbor]

I’m going for the platinum, last trophies I need are related to the quests and I can’t get them to work

[polar orchid]

any idea if scopes in scopes is actually gonna be in the final game?

[bronze falcon]

No

[polar orchid]

is it confirmed that it wont be?

not even a setting to toggle on/off?

[bronze falcon]

It's not confirmed nor denied, but judging by the promo materials - there are not any PIP scopes present

[polar orchid]

man... the scope in the anouncement trailer was one of the biggest hype factors

they made sure to draw attention to it, even attaching it before he used it

[celest blaze]

i feel things changed

remember this games gotta go on consoles

[finite dragon]

hey yall i got a quick question, on the faq it says we'll get a multitool with flint, an action figure, a backpack, patches, etc but when i go to steam to preorder it doesnt say i will get any of that?

[celest blaze]

i doubt a series X could run PiP smoothly

[finite dragon]

#📗┃s2-faq message

[livid gulch]

Different version of the pre-order. If you want the big physical package you'll need to go through the website

[finite dragon]

ohhhhhhhh got it thx

[polar orchid]

getting mixed signals. on console but wont be watered down but also scopes in scopes seems to be missing

escape from tarkov is like 7 or 8 years old now, runs fine with scopes in scopes. just sayin

[finite dragon]

i think i missed it, i just get a man eating a chicken leg 😦

[celest blaze]

tarkov is also a different game and different engine

[livid gulch]

If scope in scope isn't native it'll be modded in shortly. No worries

[celest blaze]

gamma showed me that PiP aint needed

some of the debug guns PiP were so shit and laggy lol

[polar orchid]

an older, supposedly less capable engine

[celest blaze]

also dramatically lower specs

but pips are overhyped honestly

[livid gulch]

It'll either be in or won't. It's not exactly a peak gameplay feature

[polar orchid]

not really, it looks amazing and take more skill to use

[polar orchid]

i would say it was

[celest blaze]

deff not lol

its still aiming regardless

[livid gulch]

Then you need to touch grass my guy. Idk what to tell you. It's a story game with guns. Not a tactical shooter

[polar orchid]

at distance you can lose track of your other targets, its def more skill to use

which is more fun imho

its more realistic

and you cant deny it looks amazing cos it does

[polar orchid]

it was in the gameplay reveal trailer

[livid gulch]

Read the trailer disclaimer

[polar orchid]

the game needs to have some improvements over the originals... theyre keeping magic mags and magic backpack

[livid gulch]

Yeah. There are magic mags in magic backpack in 2 as well

It is a narrative game with guns. Not a tactical shooter. I'm sure mods will add what your looking for in time though

[polar orchid]

graphical improvements are the last thing that should be prioritized. gameplay first. if the scopes aint working make the graphics less intensive.

[polar orchid]

having cool scopes does not make it a tactical game bruh. youre shooting ai. its a walk in the park.

[celest blaze]

this isnt a milsim

tarkov and gamma have like poisoned the community

[livid gulch]

You're melting down over stalker not being tarkov. Take a deep breath and reevaluate where you even wanted this conversation to go. You want a different game. Go find that

[polar orchid]

im hardly melting down im having a conversation

[dense hatch]

PiP is just worse to play with

[celest blaze]

stalker never set out to be a hardcore milsim

[dense hatch]

going from the trilogy scopes to PiP scopes sucks

[polar orchid]

and i dont want a different game. i saw the gameplay reveal trailer and was hyped for it

[dense hatch]

it takes away from the arcade feel of the trilogy

and is just not as useful as a view from a normal scope

[polar orchid]

ok, you gonna say it a 3rd time?

[dense hatch]

you go from a focused fifth of the screen to a weird wavy 10th

[livid gulch]

This guy is cooked. Lol

[polar orchid]

you guys just sound like you want something to argue about

[livid gulch]

🪞

[polar orchid]

its like me coming in here and saying oh any game with guns in it is trying to be a milsim

[dense hatch]

I just think PiP is shit

[polar orchid]

i love it, shooter games are my favourite type of game

[livid gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goal-posts-field-football-field-gif-15163513

[dense hatch]

I also enjoy shooter games

[polar orchid]

i prefer them challenging

[dense hatch]

I also enjoy seeing things when I aim at them with quick combat

and waiting 15 seconds after firing 2 shoots which cause me to aim at the roof is not fun

[polar orchid]

thats what not scoping is for

[dense hatch]

scoping is for aiming at a distance and actually hitting targets

[polar orchid]

stalker has a crosshair

[dense hatch]

and it works

[polar orchid]

yeah so nothing wrong with scopes being realistic

[dense hatch]

yeah there is

[polar orchid]

you dont need to use them

[dense hatch]

aiming at a distance sucks

it doesn't work with the fast firerate and quick combat of stalker

[polar orchid]

aiming at a distance and the whole screen zooming in is lame, call that cheese

[dense hatch]

you fire a full magazine in 2 seconds

it's not made for "realistic" recoil

[polar orchid]

makes it way easier to move from target to target if you can already see them off scope

[dense hatch]

it's made for a fun arcade shooter

or you can just use the extremely large scope to see them

or your brain and track where they are and if they're moving and to listen to movement

you're trading slightly better vision for worse focus, worse scope, annoying aim recovery, and making sound less important

[livid gulch]

Again. If it's not native at launch. It'll be a mod pretty quickly

[celest blaze]

God I wish we got call of the zone 2

[dense hatch]

it works in games with a slower pace like tarkov

[celest blaze]

Rip DoctorX

[dense hatch]

but in something like stalker with quick combat that encourages tracking it just doesn't

[polar orchid]

as long as mods dont interfere with achievements

[livid gulch]

I don't care about your cuck points bro

[polar orchid]

bruh tarkov isnt always slow. aiming and controlling recoil with a realistic scope isnt rocket science. it just looks cool af

[dense hatch]

tarkov is at least 70% healing and walking and inventory management

also not a linear shooter

[polar orchid]

stalker isnt linear

[dense hatch]

did you play the trilogy?

[livid gulch]

Oh lawd

[polar orchid]

yeah, seemed to me like i could move around pretty freely

[dense hatch]

the last third of the first 2 games is a straight combat sequence

you are on a set path for the entire game

[polar orchid]

has a map and everything and multiple endings

[dense hatch]

you can deviate from it slightly but you always follow the path

[polar orchid]

missions that you do or dont need to do

[dense hatch]

in terms of minor backtracking and moving to the left

doing the secondary questline doesn't even deviate until yantar

[polar orchid]

same with a lot of non linear games. linear means you move from mission to mission on rails

[dense hatch]

it's mission to mission on rails

[livid gulch]

It is 100% a linear game.

[polar orchid]

bruh just stop youre embarrassing yourself

[dense hatch]

you're simply incorrect

[livid gulch]

Not until mods did it become open world

[dense hatch]

CoP does actually go into it

[polar orchid]

its an open world with a storyline

[dense hatch]

not great

[near chasm]

Rather than intentionally trying to make a linear game, the first two parts of the trilogy ended up having to conclude in a more linear fashion.

[dense hatch]

they're linear shooters

[livid gulch]

Incorrect.

[dense hatch]

CoP is actually at least open open

[polar orchid]

half life is a linear game

[near chasm]

The first two games were essentially designed as sandbox games but followed a linear game progression.

[dense hatch]

they're linear with elements of open world

[polar orchid]

halo 1-5 are linear games

[dense hatch]

they're not like fallout or wasteland 3

stalker is linear besides small deviations

and CoP

[near chasm]

Or rather, they could be considered predecessors to the older Fallout games.

[lime gull]

Brother it is a linear game with an open world, it's linear because the story follows the same trajectory every time you play it, you always start in Cordon and you always end at the CNPP...

[polar orchid]

it has a story line. its not a linear game, are you crazy or what?

[near chasm]

You have to consider the context of the time to understand it properly

[dense hatch]

it's like fallout 1 in terms of being mostly primitive outside the main quest

[lime gull]

And that story... is linear in nature.

and thus the game... is linear.

[polar orchid]

that doesnt make it a linear game. it has a linear story. but the first game has multiple endings so thats not linear at all.

[livid gulch]

The endings are all just choices you make at the end.

[dense hatch]

the first game has multiple endings in that they check for stat boxes

[lime gull]

So Bioshock isn't a linear game?

[near chasm]

I guess he's insisting it's a linear game because he's fed up with people confusing the trilogy with modern open-world games.

[polar orchid]

wut

[lime gull]

The end sequence has multiple choices, so it must not be, right?

[dense hatch]

but they don't play any differently besides the true ending

[lime gull]

Clearly the game isn't linear, bc you can choose which endings you get and you can explore freely, as you so boldly said.

[dense hatch]

which is also more linear gunplay

[polar orchid]

bioshock is a linear game, you follow a line from start to finish. you dont backtrack. there is no map. you have no freedom.

[dense hatch]

you can backtrack and there is a map

[lime gull]

You can backtrack, and you have freedom.

[polar orchid]

then its not linear. i havent played it.

[near chasm]

The genre of the trilogy is something 'in between ... and ...'

[nimble cipher]

m3dk1t_ has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[polar orchid]

i thought it was linear cos its a bunch of corridors

[dense hatch]

why in god's name are you focusing on SoC and not CoP

[livid gulch]

None of that is accurate. Do you just make up whatever fits your ideal narrative?

[lime gull]

MB Wolf I just got angry.

[dense hatch]

you can make a decent case for CoP

[polar orchid]

nah

[lime gull]

Probably never played it XD

[near chasm]

That's why you can't use a single label to describe it

Not to mention, the labels themselves are often ambiguous.

[lime gull]

Honestly I played COP first and it's pretty damn linear too lol

[dense hatch]

it's all subjective

[lime gull]

You don't have to do it the way it tells you to, sure... but you can't complete the game without finding the helicopters.

[dense hatch]

CoP is not linear in that you can pick the order of quests kinda

[celest blaze]

Fr

[near chasm]

COP is closer to being a sandbox game

[lime gull]

true insanity mod has been enabled

[polar orchid]

stalker is regarded as an open world survival horror first person shooter (with rpg elements)

[near chasm]

It's still something in between ... and ...、

[celest blaze]

It's still linear

Only the mods are truly freeplay open world

Like anomaly, cotz/coc etc

[dense hatch]

it's why they're called Freeplay mods and not just mods

[polar orchid]

so in your guys opinion any game with a storyline is not open world? all those countless games that call themselves open world are just lying to everyone?

[livid gulch]

His only experience is watching gamma videos. Give him a break

[dense hatch]

what are you on about

[celest blaze]

Stalker legit is on rails man

[dense hatch]

SoC is just linear

[celest blaze]

Do this go here shoot them find this etc

[dense hatch]

that's not a bad thing and they use it well, but it's linear

[celest blaze]

^

They nailed it imo

[dense hatch]

the entire point of a linear game is to use setpieces or focused sections to balance it out

[livid gulch]

100%. Linear games are good. Most "open world" games are bland garbage

[polar orchid]

anyway, i dont see why a game being linear or not should dictate wether scopes shouldnt be realistic

[dense hatch]

unrelated tangents

[polar orchid]

half life could have scopes in scopes, would be awesome

[livid gulch]

It's a game about magic rocks and mutants.

[dense hatch]

it's not because it doesn't need scopes

[celest blaze]

Could half life even handle that? That engine is OLD

[polar orchid]

so? its also a game with scopes

[dense hatch]

all the combat is close range and fun

also it wouldn't be fun and fun>realism always

anything that slows the gameplay stinks

[polar orchid]

dunno, looks like theres a big swamp and many other open areas that you can use a scope

[dense hatch]

in half life?

[polar orchid]

plenty of open areas. the crossbow has a scope if i remember correctly

[dense hatch]

you can snipe with the revolver anyways

[celest blaze]

Hell arma doesn't even use PiP

[dense hatch]

they're not that open to where a scope is needed

you can cowboy grunts all day long

[polar orchid]

wow, its almost as if pip doesnt make games a milsim

[celest blaze]

BUDDY

[dense hatch]

PiP is just bad and shouldn't be used for games with a pulse

a GREAT example is FNV

[celest blaze]

If ARMA doesn't use it and you're screaming realism why tf would an arcade shooter series use it lol

[dense hatch]

there's a popular PiP scopes mod and it is awful to play with

[polar orchid]

tarkov isnt even a milsim, its an extraction shooter

[livid gulch]

Go play stinky orc tarkov and jerk it over pip

[dense hatch]

PiP just doesn't work with games where you fire more than 6 times or consistently fight 3 or more enemies

[celest blaze]

PiP is just a performance hog it's why barely anyone uses it

[polar orchid]

it hogs performance because its awesome

[celest blaze]

Naw

[dense hatch]

it doesn't

[polar orchid]

also, get a decent computer and you wont have any problems

[celest blaze]

I have a great computer lol

[livid gulch]

Its a console game. My guy

[polar orchid]

then whats your problem

[celest blaze]

Started on pc man

[celest blaze]

Not worth the performance issues

[livid gulch]

Agreed. But it's still the reality

[polar orchid]

i have never played a game with pip that has affected my performance in any way. i even played tarkov on a 1050ti

[near chasm]

It's still an issue, because in terms of gameplay mechanics, you can't really simulate reality in the game for now.

[livid gulch]

Stalker 2 is an Xbox game with a pc port. The ui makes that very clear. And that's fine. But temper your expectations a bit

[dense hatch]

load up FNV with b42 optics

[celest blaze]

It's a pc game

[dense hatch]

maybe some of the worst optimization I've ever seen

[celest blaze]

Ui is changeable we've seen pc and console content

[celest blaze]

Yikes lol

[near chasm]

I think a 3D scope is enough—something with physical effects and performance-friendly

[dense hatch]

I can run FNV at a solid 60 normally but it drops to 15 every time I used a sniper

[pale pivot]

Tbf modders are hobbyists and ppl shouldn’t expect quality work from mods

[celest blaze]

What? That's an insane thing to say lol

[livid gulch]

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. But that's your call.

[pale pivot]

Also what’s wrong with PiP other than it tanks fps?

[polar orchid]

exactly why i wish scopes in scopes would be in the official game

[celest blaze]

Bro has NOT seen elderscrolls modders it seems

[celest blaze]

All I know is ill be running it maxed and having fun so I won't be disappointed

[near chasm]

Scope sensitivity, attachment obstructions, field of view, the actual size of the lens, and eye relief design."

[pale pivot]

The top 0.01% of mods aren’t indicative of the rest of the slop. Sometimes modders are able to do better work than the devs themselves but usually that’s not the case

[polar orchid]

tbh if the game is supposed to be running on the xbox S, its probably gonna be watered down a lot

[celest blaze]

For that specific version lol

[livid gulch]

That's kinda what I'm saying.

[celest blaze]

Baulders gate 3 was awesome for pc people

[dense hatch]

counterpoint

the frontier

[celest blaze]

Stalker fans discover people can tweak setting for specific platforms

[near chasm]

Plus, real-life two-eye aiming doesn't even work like that, so these so-called 'realistic' features aren't really realistic

[polar orchid]

didnt feel like a huge game tbh, play areas felt cramped. now that you mention it felt like a console game

[pale pivot]

Bro that mod looked cool af and until it came out

[celest blaze]

You're full of stupid opinions man

[dense hatch]

nah it's fun as hell

[celest blaze]

Honestly this whole 20 minutes is pointless

[polar orchid]

agreed

[celest blaze]

Blue names man

[dense hatch]

the NCR questline is like watching a 200 million dollar budget cheese filled action film

while the worldspace and other 2 questlines are just normal good

[livid gulch]

You're both very upset little dudes. It's gonna be a console shooter with a cool story. But expecting more than that is gonna leave you sorely upset.

[celest blaze]

Mid take

[pale pivot]

It felt too COD like. Too many linear moments and the writing was weird asf (that weird deathclaw thing ) it was impressive still but I didn’t play too much so maybe I’m missing out

[celest blaze]

Who said I was even upset lol

[dense hatch]

deathclaw was broken wild wasteland and the spectacle is worth it

legitimately play the frontier and all the side content

it's so much fun if you just go in with an open mindset

like you're watching paul blart mall cop 2

[pale pivot]

Fucκ it I’ll download it

[celest blaze]

I gotta give a try tbh

[polar orchid]

some of these dudes be coping. i bought ultimate edition... dunno how i feel about that now lol

[celest blaze]

Who and why are we coping ?

[pale pivot]

What happened?

[celest blaze]

Is ultimate edition supposed to be a flex ?

[polar orchid]

cos you literally cant have a conversation, you will only defend the game

[dense hatch]

if you take the actions of a bunch of dipweeds as indicative of a game that they had absolutely no input on I honestly can't help you

WE WEREN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT STALKER 2 FOR THE MOST PART

[celest blaze]

Fr lol

[pale pivot]

Lol yea I’m confused

[celest blaze]

I love how unhinged the stalker community is we are truly an anomaly

[livid gulch]

Rosko
Consider that it's not everyone else. It's you.

[pale pivot]

We truly are a stalker anomaly

[celest blaze]

If arma doesn't have pip I don't care that an arcade shooter series doesn't either

[polar orchid]

nah im thinking maybe i should just play it on gamepass, if its gonna be a console game maybe buy ultimate later on sale instead

[dense hatch]

a good comparison is something like that new Godzilla film

[celest blaze]

Console players 🤮

[livid gulch]

The real artifact was the friends we made along the way

[celest blaze]

Aye I didn't think about it like that

[polar orchid]

gamepass is on pc you know

[celest blaze]

Im moving on to fallout next currently playing modded skyrim

[pale pivot]

I mean I’m playing it on game pass pc but mostly cus I’m too broke to buy it on steam or gog

[dense hatch]

is it a story that will leave you crying weeks later like silent hill 2?
no.
will it be watching a large ape and a large lizard slap around the monster of the week?
yes.

barter town my beloved

[celest blaze]

Have you played life in the ruins modpack for fallout 4 ? @dense hatch

[polar orchid]

im just kinda remembering that every single game ive been hyped for in the last 10+ years has turned out to be an anti climax and not worth pre-ordering, could have jsut waited for a sale

[pale pivot]

I remember being shipped off to like Portland or something and then it crashed but this was like 3 years ago lol

[dense hatch]

not yet, I can't run 4 consistently

yeah it got some stability updates but the biggest reason people were upset with it besides the nasty garbage that got cut was all the hype

[celest blaze]

I've discovered wabbajack it's CRAZY I got a skyrim, oblivion and fallout 4 list going atm

[pale pivot]

Don’t ever hype urself up too much for games u will always set urself up for disappointment

[dense hatch]

it was really helpful for VNV

[polar orchid]

tbh the last great game that lived up to the hype train was halo 3

[dense hatch]

I'm not concerned about stalker 2 because they actually had people play it and talk about it already

[celest blaze]

Fr haha

[dense hatch]

also the deep dive and the 50 thousand gameplay trailers

[livid gulch]

Yeah. I know what we're getting

More stalker

[celest blaze]

I kinda regret pre-ordering as I'm probably not even gonna play it on launch I'm deep into skyrim run atm

[polar orchid]

ive been avoiding media so that i can play the game with fresh eyes lol...

[dense hatch]

if you're really concerned read a couple game reviews, at most they'll spoil a single quest

[polar orchid]

next youre gonna tell me that the game has diversity shoehorns and pronouns

[dense hatch]

god I wish

[livid gulch]

Yes

[dense hatch]

the fanfiction scene isn't nearly good enough

[celest blaze]

That's a sus thing to say ngl

[dense hatch]

romanceable strelok and the game gets GOTY

[livid gulch]

Outing yourself as a total shitstain is funny though

[celest blaze]

Let me bottom out strelok and I'll pay even more money Ong

[dense hatch]

or ritcher if you're certain people here

[celest blaze]

AYO

[polar orchid]

romance is not needed in any video game, its just a cringe cutscene

[dense hatch]

except funny romantic dialog

[livid gulch]

You're a cringe cutscene

[celest blaze]

Stalker 2 ostim

[dense hatch]

fo4 my beloved

[livid gulch]

Omg yes

[pale pivot]

In all seriousness I doubt there’ll be romance scenes in s2 would be cool tho

[livid gulch]

Finally the freedom x bloodsucker smut I desire

[dense hatch]

well yeah

WAIT

[dense hatch]

I was replying to this

[pale pivot]

Yes

[livid gulch]

Nu uh.

[dense hatch]

It's over

[pale pivot]

It’s joeover

[celest blaze]

I bore witness to cursed loverslab mods of fallout 4 and BRO why do some of those even exist

[dense hatch]

because people are strange

[dim topaz]

Tell that to the 10 bajillion VNs and H-games that exist

[celest blaze]

Fr

[livid gulch]

For jerkin it?

[dense hatch]

sorry I was loading up the doors

[celest blaze]

Opening the hub is so much faster and less tedious Ong

[dense hatch]

no just the specific media choice but this topic is a bit much

[celest blaze]

True my bad

Let's keep chat wholesome

[pale pivot]

Nah 😈

[dense hatch]

oh right the frontier

[celest blaze]

[dense hatch]

yeah just don't go in with high expectations if you're playing the NCR questline and do prepare for some crashes

it is still a FNV mod

[pale pivot]

I want to do the crusader power armor faction

What are they called again

[dense hatch]

the crusaders actually have a really interesting way of progressing the main quest

[polar orchid]

muh hype died. im depressed now lol

[dense hatch]

demon crusher armor?

[pale pivot]

It’s okay bro watch some gameplay videos and you’ll get some hopeium

[polar orchid]

ive been avoiding them

[pale pivot]

I mean there aren’t like major spoilers

[livid gulch]

I suggest doing drugs about it until you can no longer chemically produce serotonin. Then probably meditation or something?

[polar orchid]

everything is a spoiler this close to release

[pale pivot]

Meditation overrated just keep doing drugs

[dense hatch]

#💬┃en_offtop message

[polar orchid]

i dont even wanna see what color a wall is

[dense hatch]

this?

[livid gulch]

Counterpoint
I'm freedom. This is stalker related.

[pale pivot]

we need an en_shenanigans

[dense hatch]

someone brought it up

[dim topaz]

Gotta say going north of rostok and not finding myself in the military warehouses is going to be weird lol

[dense hatch]

you get it after part of the main quest

[livid gulch]

The map changes are legit wild

[dense hatch]

I've mostly avoided spoilers for that

I'm kinda excited to see how they shuffle it up

[livid gulch]

I've done no deep looking. I just saw the topo map.

[dim topaz]

I know it's to mimic IRL better, but i bet it will feel like a schizo update dropped

[polar orchid]

for consoles they prolly made all locations and buildings 5% smaller so that they feel nice n cramped for that authentic console shooter feel

[livid gulch]

But any change is gonna feel so major. I think I know The Zone better than my own city.

[dim topaz]

This is not a thing anymore tho

[dim topaz]

Same

[dense hatch]

they nerfed the map size for SoC so that it would actually run and play well

[polar orchid]

it is. games made for pc just feel like theres a bit more room to breathe. console games are cramped

[dense hatch]

it's just a reference

[livid gulch]

I've played the DayZ full zone map

It certainly puts all the transitional area space into perspective

[dim topaz]

I hope we get to see Dead City and Darkscape reimagined

[dense hatch]

they said it'll be about 60 kilometers squared

[livid gulch]

Yuge.

[dense hatch]

I think @old jungle measured it

[livid gulch]

Darkscape my beloved.

[polar orchid]

games made for console, you walk down a street and its like the houses are just ever so slightly smaller than they feel in real life and lil cramped lines of sight n stuff. games made for pc have full size houses and dont care about cramping the lines.

[celest blaze]

This isnt true imo

[dim topaz]

That is literally not a thing bro

[dense hatch]

I'm not sure which orifice you're pulling that out of

[livid gulch]

Again. Are you good bruh. There is no veracity to thine words

[polar orchid]

it is. rememebr pubg? consoles couldnt handle it at all.

[dim topaz]

They feel cramped because you're sitting away from the TV

[pale pivot]

I doubt they actually would go through painstakingly redesigning interiors to be smaller to feel cramped for consoles

[celest blaze]

that wasnt consoles fault

[dense hatch]

that was pubg being pubg

[nimble cipher]

baseddlite has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dim topaz]

PUBG was made by gremlins

[celest blaze]

bad devs bro the consoles could run gta and skyrim and other heavy games lol

[polar orchid]

its a subtle thing. i promise you, console games just cramp in detail.

[dense hatch]

how is pubg doing actually

[lime gull]

People are still arguing with that Roskobiwan guy?

[pale pivot]

Uhh it’s like top 5 usually in player numbers

[livid gulch]

Take your meds.

[dense hatch]

it's seemingly so subtle nobody here noticed

[polar orchid]

pc's could run it fine

[livid gulch]

Also not true

[pale pivot]

It’s popular outside of NA

[dense hatch]

I played on console for a while, especially fallout 4

[celest blaze]

im kinda bored of it now tbh

but i gotta pass the time while i install a wabbajack list

[dense hatch]

it's just kinda devolved into another "it's so over" thing

[lime gull]

So then just leave the Discord and play the game on release. You don't have to argue with chumps online.

[dense hatch]

I prefer goober

[polar orchid]

i was playing it on a low end gaming laptop at 60+fps. when it ported to console the geometry wouldnt even load and it was hitting 30fps

[dense hatch]

the seeming orifice was the ass

[lime gull]

Unless this is about a stalker game, this should be happening in en_offtop.

[dense hatch]

the stalker map is quite big anyways so I'm not sure what your point is

[celest blaze]

i have to turn vsync on or all the stalker games running way too much fps lol

[dense hatch]

I play on a potato laptop because that's all I can afford and my only other laptop is for work

[polar orchid]

yeah but if its made for consoles it will be cramped down a lil bit in places

[celest blaze]

wrong

[dense hatch]

I think you're pulling from a single example from several years ago and taking that as gospel

[lime gull]

Anyway, did anyone figure out if Stalker is an open world linear game or a linear open world game yet?

[dense hatch]

mostly linear

[livid gulch]

Again. That isn't a thing. You are just asserting untrue facts that you FEEL are true despite having no actual data.

[dense hatch]

nobody complained about cramped interiors in the reviews

[polar orchid]

nah i owned an xbox for a few months about a year or 2 ago with gamepass, downloaded about 30-50 different games and this is what i noticed, everything felt cramped

[lime gull]

Maybe he's tall in his video games, you don't know.

I always find video game buildings cramped... so hard to fit into 1080p...

[livid gulch]

...you're actually cooked. Do you real with your finger on the page?

[polar orchid]

also, any game that i play on pc that is a port of an xbox game, feels cramped

[celest blaze]

are you playing on a smaller screen ?

[dense hatch]

this is legitimately a you problem

[celest blaze]

lower resolution ?

[livid gulch]

What is FoV

[dense hatch]

I play on a smaller screen and haven't noticed this

[celest blaze]

its prob console vs pc fov honestly

[dense hatch]

1920 by 1080

[pale pivot]

This is one of the most unique problems I’ve heard someone complain abt. Is ur FOV turned down?

[lime gull]

Personally I am hoping GSC takes this sceriously and really considers making the interiors of all locations on the PC port of the console version of the game comically large.

[celest blaze]

i like my fovs between like 85-100 tbh

[polar orchid]

no just they want high fidelity and detail but they cramp it in there. everything feels about 5% smaller than it should feel

[dense hatch]

3 inch tall stalkers

[pale pivot]

Yea it better take me hours to get from one side of the room to the other

[dense hatch]

I think you have some weird brain things

[lime gull]

Better not even give me a sprint button. I want to WALK to the other side of the room in 45 real life minutes.

[celest blaze]

god thats immersive af

[pale pivot]

Then and ONLY then will I be happy. Otherwise, literally unplayable

[lime gull]

Soooo frustrating when they cramp that detail in there.

[polar orchid]

i know right

[livid gulch]

I just wish it were 5% bigger.

[celest blaze]

i wish a proper company like ubisoft made stalker 2

[lime gull]

I personally enjoy my details around 5% stretched out in all directions.

[dense hatch]

fallout 4 next gen update

[celest blaze]

im going to stretch out stalker by 5%

[lime gull]

pls do

instructions unclear, Clear Sky is now 5000 hours long.

[celest blaze]

everyone is going to be almost to wide to fit in doorways

[celest blaze]

PEAK

[polar orchid]

you guys dont even know what youre talking about

[pale pivot]

Yea that 5% is critical to the success of any reputable game

[dense hatch]

because YOU ARE SAYING NOTHING

[lime gull]

Accidentally made "longpark" which is just the vehicle graveyard but all the vehicles are absurdly stretched out to the point of indescernibility.

[dense hatch]

the words you put into digital space are a fruit salad of statements

[polar orchid]

detail in console games is ever so slightly cramped

[celest blaze]

whats if darkscape was 16x the length and we could only walk through it

[dense hatch]

EXCEPT THEY AREN'T

[polar orchid]

oh but they are

[celest blaze]

???

[lime gull]

C'mon, everyone knows this! It's true. They have to cramp them, it's part of the buisness model!

[dense hatch]

several people are actively disagreeing with you who have played on consoles

[livid gulch]

We've all just been taking the piss out of you for 40 minutes and you're only getting this now? We have no idea what YOU'RE talking about because it's nonsense

[polar orchid]

its part of making it run on console at 60fps

[lime gull]

Look dude if you've ever played an uncramped console game I'm shook.

[pale pivot]

Bro that’s subjective I feel the opposite actually and I was a console gamer for a long time and still am to some extent

[celest blaze]

i own xbox 1 s and series X

[dense hatch]

I have like 800 hours on fo4 on console and I've never seen that

[lime gull]

Exactly! They gotta squeeze the details so small to fit in the extra fps.

[celest blaze]

we are deep into mental posting ong

[dense hatch]

someone play peace frog

[celest blaze]

todd howard takes away 5% of stalker to add towards fallout

[lime gull]

idk wym... I personally feel like we're as close as we've ever been to a conductive conversation.

[polar orchid]

im not saying all of them are like that. but enough of them that its more likely stalker 2 will do the same than not.

[dense hatch]

he uses that 5% to power his mega yacht

[dense hatch]

IT DIDN'T THOUGH

[lime gull]

I don't know that this small indie Ukrainian company is aware of the standard.

[dense hatch]

PEOPLE HAVE PLAYED THE FIRST 3 OR SO HOURS

[celest blaze]

stalker 2 isn't real guys lol

it was gamma the whole time praise GROK

[polar orchid]

its not intentional. its optimizing for console

[dense hatch]

IT'S NOT REAL

[pale pivot]

Yea it’s actually gamma 2 and it’s coming out in a couple of redacted

[livid gulch]

Dude. Stop. It's sad now.

[lime gull]

The original trilogy port on Xbox is already out, have you played any of them?

[dense hatch]

you're referring to a generic design choice maybe incorrectly

[polar orchid]

make certain things just a lil smaller and block lines of sight and do whatever you can to get 60fps on console. thats what they do.

[dense hatch]

THEY DON'T

[livid gulch]

You are wrong.

[celest blaze]

60 fps isnt even hard to hit lol

[dense hatch]

they haven't done anything similar for literal decades

[polar orchid]

its the same with any game. but consoles are strictly trying to get the games to run on a particular piece of hardware.

[celest blaze]

consoles are computers

[polar orchid]

pc games dont care. if you dont have a decent gpu thats on you

[pale pivot]

So instead of just tuning the graphics down a bit, the devs will painstakingly redesign interiors 5% smaller just for consoles.

[dense hatch]

what you're referring to is only done by games that are EXTREMELY desperate, and even then it's rare

[lime gull]

yes and make the map have more blocked line of sight apparently

[celest blaze]

based af devs

[pale pivot]

Oh yea can’t forget abt that

[lime gull]

this is easier than optimizing somehow the game btw.

[dense hatch]

we truly are shizoposting tonight

[polar orchid]

no. if theyre building for console from the ground up theyre just gonna do it.

[celest blaze]

bro consoles nowadays are better then low tier pcs

[dense hatch]

can someone with gif perms post the charlie day gif

[lime gull]

Just a shot in the dark here, have you looked at any trailers for S2?

[polar orchid]

yeah

[dense hatch]

you're still pulling outside your ass

[pale pivot]

So if they’re building for the console how would you know the interiors are cramped if you don’t have a frame of reference from the pc version?

[celest blaze]

bro came from the future

[lime gull]

Okay so you know all those big panoramic open shots that happen in several of those videos? Did they feel small to you? 5% more cramped than usual?

[polar orchid]

im saying most console games are cramped, so its likely stalker 2 will have at least some areas that just feel cramped

[lime gull]

You just know to make them cramped.

[dense hatch]

THEY AREN'T

[celest blaze]

this is not true

[lime gull]

idk guys this is a compelling argument, I'm pretty sure he's right.

I mean why else would the interiors sometimes feel a little claustrophobic... it has to be by design!

[polar orchid]

i dunno why you guys are struggling so hard to grasp the concept of optimizing a game for console

[dense hatch]

#💬┃en_offtop message

[livid gulch]

My brother in christ. You can go see with your stupid eyes that the buildings are scaled normally

[dense hatch]

because THAT'S NOT HOW THEY OPTIMIZE

they do not prepare for the leprechauns to come in and make the game run better

[polar orchid]

dunno about that

[lime gull]

"But Ivan, the buildings in the video seem quite small to me... No larger than 2 ft..."

[dense hatch]

"I can fit it in my finger, see?"

[pale pivot]

Bro they just tune down settings amongst other things that don’t include painstakingly redesigning every interior of the game to be marginally smaller

[polar orchid]

they block lines of sight

[dense hatch]

do you just not know what perspective is

[lime gull]

GENIUS

[polar orchid]

yeah, resulting in a cramped feeling

[lime gull]

With more obstructions.

[livid gulch]

No stupid.

[dense hatch]

that's not how that works

[lime gull]

yeah this seems so obvious and clear to me

[polar orchid]

it depends how they are achieving their culling of sight lines

[pale pivot]

Bro what?! Are you referring to smaller draw distances or something?

[dense hatch]

adding a door doesn't make a room smaller in all dimensions

[humble veldt]

Omg guys just agree with him and he'll leave by himself ffs

[dense hatch]

I'm allergic to stupid

[livid gulch]

The game still renders the things not on your screen. You know that...right?

[pale pivot]

Ugh fine

[dense hatch]

[pale pivot]

Alr bro u win interiors are maliciously 5% smaller on consoles for the sake of extra fps

[livid gulch]

Like. Occlusion culling isn't a baseline feature of all games. Or Even that common

[polar orchid]

never said that

[celest blaze]

im going to make them 7.5% bigger

[pale pivot]

Well whatever it is that u said I agree with u

[polar orchid]

yes

in some areas

[pale pivot]

Oh no… bro

[dense hatch]

please

[pale pivot]

Why didn’t u say that in the first place

[dim topaz]

let's not take into account things like rendering, character sizes and the implications on spatial relations lol

[dense hatch]

PLEASE

[livid gulch]

He's so dumb he doesn't know how dumb he is...

[dense hatch]

they just forgot to shrink the character model too

[polar orchid]

you guys are just on that cult grindset

[dim topaz]

bro what if they just... shrink everything

[lime gull]

Yup

[dim topaz]

then the game just runs at infinite fps

[dense hatch]

WHY DON'T ALL GAMES DO IT

[lime gull]

That makes the models and everything too cramped

[pale pivot]

Ok so basically, games on console feel smaller because they have smaller draw distances and less objects rendered at once. That’s what I’m getting at here

[dense hatch]

JUST MAKE EVERYTHING SMALLER INCLUDING THE PLAYER

[lime gull]

only necessary for console ofc

[dense hatch]

make everything super small and it'll fix itself

[dim topaz]

no they just shrink them, they don't retexture them or anything. Think quantum computing.

[lime gull]

they probably never thought of that

[pale pivot]

Nah keep me big please I want to be a giant

[lime gull]

noooo the textures will get all squibbly

[polar orchid]

only cared about on console. a lot of pc games would benefit from doing it too but they dont. they let you decide what hardware youre using

[lime gull]

they could be shrinking the game by another 5-10% if they were smarter.

[polar orchid]

you guys are missing the point entirely

[dense hatch]

they could save on performance by making everything 10% as big

[livid gulch]

Do people find it hard to talk to you in real life too?

[dense hatch]

guys I've got it solved, just make it smaller

[nimble cipher]

m3dk1t_ has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[polar orchid]

ye ):

[lime gull]

I've lost it

[dim topaz]

but then how will you convey 16x the detail of other games 😦

[pale pivot]

That’s what she said

[dim topaz]

I love how this chat just turned into a mental asylum

[lime gull]

See what they don't tell you is that indie developers are already onto this strategy and actually shrink the interiors of all their buildings by around 25%.

[dense hatch]

she ?

[pale pivot]

Aslume*

[dense hatch]

that's why hollow knight works so well

[livid gulch]

It's you. You need to know that. The world is normal. You are deeply and totally screwed.

[humble veldt]

I got 12 different headaches in the last hour

[dense hatch]

because ghost is just a little person they don't impact performance that much

[polar orchid]

world is definitley not normal

[dense hatch]

OH MY GOD IT'S BRILLIANT

[pale pivot]

Rookie numbers my guy

[lime gull]

see if the first stalker game was just 1 strelock the size of a timbit, it would simply run 1000x smoother.

[pale pivot]

The first thing that you’ve said all day that makes sense

[livid gulch]

By definition anything the world is. Is normal

[polar orchid]

apparently im deeply and totally scru'd for talking about video game optimization

[dense hatch]

that's actually what they did to make CoP run a little better after downgrading the graphics

[lime gull]

does the milk come via railroad that runs from the factory to the store or is it produced by cows

[pale pivot]

Honestly I’m so mad that strelok isn’t the size of an ant. That woulda been cool af

[still ridge]

WHO CARES. We might have frog mutants that attack you in the swamps and stuff in stalker 2

[dense hatch]

PEACE FROG BY THE DOORS

[livid gulch]

No. It's that you have no idea what you're talking about . And it's painfully apparent to everyone else in here with more than a room temperature IQ

[lime gull]

Cope, we're never getting frog monsters bc they are waaaaay too cool.

[polar orchid]

in a console game the factory and the store would be like just around the corner from eachother

[pale pivot]

Shrek mods are a must now

[dense hatch]

speak for yourself

[lime gull]

Actually in most games, they would be a small distance apart because they have to shrink the game to make it run properly

[pale pivot]

Bro can u give an example? Like an actual one

[dense hatch]

he let the contents of his bottle do the thinking

[dim topaz]

I'm pretty sure this guy is just baiting now

[dense hatch]

excuses excuses

[lime gull]

He's on some next level stuff if he is, absolutely a kingfisher level jokester.

[still ridge]

Pretty clear.

[polar orchid]

i think you all just got triggered when i said i dont care for pronouns

[pale pivot]

Yea lol I think most games aren’t going to be 1:1 real size of real world for the sake of not wasting the player’s time and engine limitations

[still ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jumping-gif-23922460

[celest blaze]

Can you shrink stalker to fit in stalker

[lime gull]

Hmmm... Sidorovich.

[dense hatch]

are you bald and perhaps an owner of funkopops

[livid gulch]

No. It's that you don't understand what you're talking about at all.

[dense hatch]

#💬┃en_offtop message

[still ridge]

Yeah you tell em Harris Bonkers

[dense hatch]

3 levels of bleeding and 20% armor durability

[lime gull]

Most games aren't going to include a bunch of unnecessary details. They'll include enough of a world to give you the sense that your in a real world, but not enough to replicate it's scale. that'd be impractical and pointless for most games.

[livid gulch]

I want frog monsters in my swamps

[celest blaze]

My pronouns are marked/one Ong

[still ridge]

Knocks you to the ground and you bleed out before you can bandage

[dense hatch]

wonder if they'll do tongue attacks

[celest blaze]

Ayo??

[dense hatch]

or just ambush the player normally

[livid gulch]

If they do ima act up.

[dense hatch]

the first new fanfiction in 3 years

[still ridge]

I wonder how big they’ll be. Probably much bigger than normal frogs but not bigger than like a cat or dog

[dense hatch]

because stalker fanfiction is so absolutely dead

[pale pivot]

Butttt roskobiwan said otherwise

[celest blaze]

What's if instead of it being called stalker 2 where bloodsuckers attack you it's called freaky 2 where bloodsuckers lick you

[dim topaz]

Some of those ambient sounds sounded like some Shoggoth ass mf is lurking just below the water

[humble veldt]

I want those huge lake fish monsters like the ones conspiracy theorists talked about when "visiting" the site

[polar orchid]

ok genius. console games just work dont they. devs are making games for an almost unlimited amount of hardware configs so they dont need to worry about it running 60fps on the lowest available specs cos there are so many different consoles out there. so they never optimise anything, or build with optimization in mind. its just magic.

[pale pivot]

Should be called stalker 2 where u stalk people

[dense hatch]

fallout 4 angler

[celest blaze]

🫵

[dense hatch]

because optimization is making the chairs 5% smaller

[dim topaz]

Bro just leave the kitchen, please.

[celest blaze]

Why buy a 5090 when it comes out when you can just shrink things

[dense hatch]

what kitchen

[livid gulch]

5% smaller frog mutants then

[dense hatch]

it's like that scene in little hope with the house fire

[dim topaz]

where he's trying to cook

[celest blaze]

5% thiccer clearsky members

[dense hatch]

7 people are dead in the past 30 seconds

[polar orchid]

when you realise i was right you can apologise

[pale pivot]

Let bro cook

[celest blaze]

🗣️

[pale pivot]

I’m sorry bro

[dense hatch]

god

this is maybe the worst stalker discussion ever

[livid gulch]

The worst ever YET

It could be..let's just say 5% worse

[pale pivot]

Everyone knows that the best stalker discussions are about how the best way to optimize games is to make everything 5% smaller

[celest blaze]

If someone says clearsky is bad I'm going all out

[pale pivot]

Clear sky is bad af

[dim topaz]

15.2 times the detail

[dense hatch]

see that 5% smaller mountain?

[dense hatch]

you can climb it at 95% speed.

[polar orchid]

talk about taking a generalization i made and beating its bloody corpse to a pulp

[pale pivot]

Lmao 5% thing got memed instantly

[dense hatch]

you very well brought it onto yourself shut up

[humble veldt]

Someone make a ticket and ask the devs to add a "5%" easter egg in the game

[pale pivot]

Bro ur making me 5% angrier

[livid gulch]

It gets 5% funnier every time too

[celest blaze]

Me reading chat

[livid gulch]

One chair in skadovsk is 5% smaller.

[polar orchid]

youre all just determined to disagree with me

[dim topaz]

did you know that despite being only making up 5% of the game, optimization is responsible for 90% of performance issues?

[polar orchid]

i could have said anything and you would have disagreed, youve been doing it the whole time

[livid gulch]

Because you're wrong like sex in a coffin

[celest blaze]

Optimization is more then just shrinking models by 5%

[pale pivot]

Dude u increased my iq by 5% just by saying that

[indigo marsh]

Why are it's eyes so huge?

[polar orchid]

they dont shrink anything. they just make it that way.

[celest blaze]

It's kinda deformed sadly

[indigo marsh]

Oh

[livid gulch]

Right. The ol industry standard 95/100th scale.

[celest blaze]

But I think this cat is still based af

[pale pivot]

Not 1, nor 2, nor 3, nor 4, but a whole ahh 5%

[dim topaz]

You can think of that 5% as performance tax, nobody would notice anyway

[celest blaze]

I NOTICE

[pale pivot]

I wish the government would only tax 5%

[indigo marsh]

I have an idea. PiP scopes but 5% smaller.

[celest blaze]

[nimble cipher]

fishmilk has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dim topaz]

there's income based tax where I live, so for those making minimum wage it's only 5% lmao

[celest blaze]

Bro they bend me over

[polar orchid]

its a psychological trick sometimes. they hope nobody notices that the reason there is more buildings on X street is because theyre cramming them in there.

[celest blaze]

WHAT

[pale pivot]

Government:

[celest blaze]

ONG

[pale pivot]

Game optimization is like the government except they only tax u 5%

[pale pivot]

So game devs are psychology experts now

[polar orchid]

theyre optimizing video games

[celest blaze]

Stalker 2 is a review of modern culture and it's influences on interpersonal relationships

[dense hatch]

vote for me, Harris Bonkers, and I will get you back your 5%

[pale pivot]

Ok thanks for the prompt let me ask ChatGPT rq

[dense hatch]

games will no longer be 95% as big as they should be

[pale pivot]

[celest blaze]

And they said shrinkflation wasn't real

[dense hatch]

I guarantee if I am elected to REMOVE and BAN this terrible practice

[pale pivot]

Fr Harris bonkers for pres

[celest blaze]

I'd vote

[pale pivot]

[polar orchid]

heres an example btw, hitman world of assassination. go play that game and tell me the streets dont feel like cramped little console game streets.