⭐┃nospoilers_general

[dry imp]

in fact, you play as a construction worker that got knocked out while working so its all a dream

[wise blaze]

you said yesterday that ur mods were working. yet you dont know if theres artifacts? bruh

[neat cedar]

It was a dumb question

[neat cedar]

Ohh nice

When do i wake up

[dry imp]

yes it was a dumb question. you should clearly understand the in depth lore that anomaly has

[neat cedar]

How much do i make as a construction worker

[dry imp]

actually through hidden lore in the game you go into a coma. so it's implied when you die in the game your character also dies in the hospital bed

[wise blaze]

more than your IQ it would seem

[dry imp]

below average. you actually just put in your two weeks to leave to a better paying contractor

[neat cedar]

The depth is amazing

Do i buy a Mercedes Benz

[dry imp]

its suspected that the supervisor actually staged the accident because he didn't want you to leave

[neat cedar]

Wow

So everything was a dream amazing

[dry imp]

yeah, see, anomaly has a lot of in depth lore that people don't recognize

truly makes it better than the originals

[wise blaze]

oh. and you also have ED too. thats some super deep lore

[dry imp]

yeah, its why your wife left you

so you are a divorced contractor

[neat cedar]

That is amazing

[dry imp]

thats why the supervisor staged the accident to make it look like a suicide

[worn oar]

There are duck toys

[dry imp]

because he knew you were depressed

[neat cedar]

I wish i never asked the question

[dry imp]

[cosmic schooner]

True

[worn oar]

all you need is a psi field

[vernal magnet]

One of the biggest holes with this theory is if they were tracking the PDA networks they could have tracked and intercepted Strelok and anybody else of their choosing at any time

and SOC would not have happened with the Kill The Strelok mistake

[worn oar]

we did have a long discussion and we agreed already that it was made up weak theory xD

[vernal magnet]

up for debate with the consequences of their actions. They simply believed the consequences of their actions were a justified means to an end with a better world. Only issue is that never came, they just kept damaging the Noosphere

[worn oar]

Im feeling philosophical today hahaha

[pearl jacinth]

hell did i walk into

[dry imp]

anomaly lore discussion

[pearl jacinth]

[worn oar]

[pearl jacinth]

[timid lotus]

hi

[pearl jacinth]

hallo

[finite dragon]

Hello

[pearl jacinth]

how is everyone today

[timid lotus]

it was a tiring day

[velvet cloud]

[timid lotus]

welcome renegade

[velvet cloud]

[timid lotus]

see you renegade

[dry imp]

reneGAYd!!!

[timid lotus]

thats true

yes i got a dm from wolf bot he loves me yesss

[worn oar]

He's spamming me fr

[pearl jacinth]

obsessed

[timid lotus]

maybe he is a stalker (worst joke ever)

[worn oar]

[dry imp]

NO YOU DIDNT!!!!!!!

HE LOVES ME!!!!!!!!!!!

[dry imp]

i don getit

[pearl jacinth]

configure settings
game immediately crashes

i love xray engine

[finite dragon]

clear sky won't load for me past the splash screen
call of prypiat only loaded once, and when i exit, it stopped loading altogether, not even the splash screen shows up

[nimble cipher]

pashka_ventilator#0866 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[finite dragon]

i have two options:

1. wait until it fixes itself, perhaps after a windows update
2. get out the old laptop

it's funny you see, because on the new pc shoc worked just fine

https://tenor.com/view/mklpkl-monkey-jump-monkey-attack-gif-20830056

[lethal orchid]

Is stalker gamma worth it

[finite dragon]

gif machine broke

nothing is going fine anymore

[lethal orchid]

As in, is it worth the time it takes to install and chance of malware

[finite dragon]

[left saffron]

yeah its pain 2 install but its cool

[lethal orchid]

How much better is it than the original stalker COP

[left saffron]

thats gonna be u 2 decide chief.

[finite dragon]

i am le mad

[pearl jacinth]

play the trilogy first before getting into any mods

[lethal orchid]

Aight sounds good

[finite dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-stalker-game-stalker-anomaly-chernobyl-gif-25745584

[lethal orchid]

What's the best game in your opinion?

[finite dragon]

oh come on! can i not post gifs altogether!?

[pearl jacinth]

tied between SoC and CoP

[finite dragon]

if you want to play all of them, start with shoc, then prypiat, and then clear sky
if you don't have much time, play prypiat

[lethal orchid]

Looks like I'll be playing pripyat

[finite dragon]

now me, i'd say do them in release order since i like clear sky, but no one enjoys the insane levels of casual filter that game offers

[hazy helm]

SoC

[hazy helm]

play tyhem in release order

SoC-CS-CoP

that is how its supposed to be

[finite dragon]

bless this man

damn rite, also wait a minute! ive seen that pfp, it's of gign guys posing, right?

[hazy helm]

dunno

[finite dragon]

if i remember correctly that is

[hazy helm]

just put it to confuse a friend

[lethal orchid]

CoP has been fun so far

I really like the world of it

I've just been too scared to talk to anyone walking around in case they shoot me

[finite dragon]

just

[hazy helm]

I mean
the recommended is SoC first since it is the best to start with,but thas jus a recommendation

[pearl jacinth]

put your crosshair on them

if the crosshair isn't red, ur good

[finite dragon]

look at minimap
if dots is yellow/green, you're okay
if not, is bad

[lethal orchid]

I don't really have the money right now to play SoC but I definitely will once I get the chance to

[finite dragon]

lmao if you're that worried simply read the manual the game comes with

[hazy helm]

a pirates life

[lethal orchid]

Devs are too cool to deserve pirating

[light ibex]

Hey guys!

[dry imp]

who is this guy!!!

[light ibex]

who?

[neat cedar]

hiu

[hardy bear]

It’s been a blast so far

[solid dome]

3 days till 15th

[potent bluff]

Something to show on 15th?

That number on the nonstop can is the hint!?

[solid dome]

#⭐┃обговорення-безспойлерів came up with such speculation

It could be nothing, could be anything. It's the waiting game we play as usual.

[potent bluff]

I really hope they show something

[solid dome]

[dry imp]

i really don't think it is

but if it is i guess thats cool

but i dont think a single number is a clue to anything

[neat cedar]

Krezzin

Tampico
You know what time it is
Go to off top

[distant tundra]

The AI in SoC is so annoying sometimes they'll get in the way of an entrance a bunch, is this just a vanilla thing?
PS. I wiped out Freedom

[pearl jacinth]

playing wind of time, first emission happens while im underground

[wise blaze]

Im trying to decide how fun the game would be if the people in the zone dont respawn. like if I turned the zone to have like 1000 people (idk a realistic number), and all the ones who died stayed dead and no new ones spawned in, idk if thatd be cool for immersion or bad

[hazy path]

aki novesti stalkeri

been playing gamma + hardcore mods

legitimately wondering if I should wait on playing stalker 2 until someone adds shit like armor health, magazines, etc

[wise blaze]

mags idk. why would armor health not be in it

I feel like mags could be in it. idk tho. idk why the arent in the OG

[hazy path]

well that's not REALLY what I mean, like armor health in the way gamma does it, like EfT

[wise blaze]

like the balistics mod?

[hazy path]

like armor has levels, and certain ammo has levels

[wise blaze]

yea. ok

[hazy path]

and if the ammo doesn't pen, it chips away at armor health until it does

idk I'm a goober who loves "realism" and I hate the idea that armor is just a number and anything will damage an NPC's health by shooting them

[wise blaze]

I agree

[hazy path]

but tbh the best would be that every armor has hitboxes. pisses me off in Gamma that some douchebag can be wearing mid-tier armor and nothing but a balaclava but that means you gotta headshot him like 4 times

idk if I had a lot of money, like 8 figures, I would make some stalker mod that is so realistic everyone would hate it lmao

[wise blaze]

I figure some of this could be in the game. much newer stuff that is the norm so it could be ez when it wasnt in the OG games

[fluid abyss]

hardcore tactical survival realism... so intense and realistic....

[hazy path]

you can't see it but I'm making a soi face right now

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy path]

I frigging love realism 😮

[fluid abyss]

bro its a game, its impossible to make everything truly realistic, and even if you tried the shortcomings would only make it worse

[wise blaze]

wdym. are u sayin thats bad?

[fluid abyss]

to an intense degree yeah

[wise blaze]

oh. that view. I wholly disagree

[pearl jacinth]

im realisming out right now

[hazy path]

I think gamers now are realizing there's a niche for things that are un-fun but more true-to-life

EfT and its popularity is basically a testament to that...though they have really toned down the realism since 2018

[solid dome]

👀

[fluid abyss]

applying hard numbers to things generally makes things worse

[hazy path]

OK I guess you are right

[wise blaze]

how so

[hazy path]

but that's only if you are doing shit like xcom where you have like...miss probabilities, etc, that are right in front of you

[fluid abyss]

"you need these weapons and these ammo types and these specific attachments to have a 5% bleed/penetration chance over this other configuration"

[fluid abyss]

that's because the hit % in that game are artificially boosted to encourage players to make riskier moves

[hazy path]

remember how gmanlives was pissed off that rounds don't hit EXACTLY where the aimpoint is in STALKER? It's because he's a goober who can't tolerate the idea that using fifty year old 7.62x39 won't perform at sub-MOA level lmao

[fluid abyss]

when it says 99% its not actually 99%

[hazy path]

realism is the chad choice

[pearl jacinth]

shoots at head at point blank
99% chance of hit

miss

[hazy path]

yeah that's why I agree to a point. it shouldn't be hard percentages with binary outcomes

[wise blaze]

why bad?

[hazy path]

like for real, if you are using a surplus SKS with ammo from the 1960s, provided the primers are even still good, you're gonna get like 3 MOA if you are LUCKY

[fluid abyss]

ballistics are funky irl, and can't always be boiled down to a single number & accurately represented in a game

[hazy path]

how is it bad that you have to pay more in a game for ammo that doesn't hangfire lmaoooo

[wise blaze]

sure, but a 5% is better than either guarenteed or guarenteed not

[fluid abyss]

I'm saying applying hard numbers to everything just makes people obsess over metas, which is not all that realistic

[wise blaze]

A. no B. it gets rid of meta way more than just "this gun does most dmg"

[fluid abyss]

when comparing two similar rifles IRL, it's not about "this gun deals 5% more damage", its about personal preference

[fluid abyss]

I'm not saying that there should be linear upgrade paths either

[wise blaze]

yea. thus applying hard number is better

[wise blaze]

whats the alternatives

either stuff is boiled down to chance or its binary. maybe a tiny bit of in between but idk what else

[fluid abyss]

weapons that fulfill certain niches & sub niches that others don't
broadly speaking, this would be big weapon classes

[wise blaze]

thats a seperate thing tho

[fluid abyss]

no?

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wise blaze]

yea? unless im misunderstanding

[fluid abyss]

it would prevent metas because it would prevent comparisons between similar weapons

because there wouldn't be weapons similar enough to compare as if they are the same

because each weapon would have its own role

[wise blaze]

but that still would make a meta. the meta would just be broad

[hazy path]

completely agree. which is why if you have a 5% chance to get a hangfire using your spam can ammo that was made while Kruschev was premier, it isn't a problem until you are out of cover, someone is shooting directly at you, and you are magdumping

[wise blaze]

and some weapons would fufil said role meaning best. meaning meta

[hazy path]

because those probabilities reflect real life. you literally do have a probability of getting a hangfire with spam can ammo

the "hard number" is a probability, and it applies dynamically as the situation develops based on your choices

if you are shooting from cover, at distance, you can afford to charge the gun and keep shooting without incurring significant risk

[fluid abyss]

yeah, but it wouldn't be "AK47 vs AKM", it would be "SVD vs AK" which would have their own distinct specialties

[wise blaze]

sooooo a meta?

[fluid abyss]

mf

[pearl jacinth]

wind of time is really fun so far

[fluid abyss]

I bet you call the portal gun in portal "meta" even if its the only available tool

[wise blaze]

also, irl comparing the ak47 to akm is a thing that is good to do

[hazy path]

is it a meta if you have to hit something at 800m with 7.62x39? Sounds more like regular strengths vs weaknesses

[pearl jacinth]

brain died and typed the name of a completely different mod how the hell

[hazy path]

good luck magdumping an SVD at 10m

[wise blaze]

some guns will be better at that. thus they will be that objectives meta

[hazy path]

that's not a "meta" that's literally just strengths vs weaknesses

[wise blaze]

other guns will be better at this, thus they will be that objectives meta

[hazy path]

that's like saying hitting someone with a sledgehammer does more damage than shooting them with a crossbow

[wise blaze]

congrats. youve discovered what metas are for

[wise blaze]

it would in the proper scenario, yes?

[hazy path]

can you shoot someone with a sledgehammer? no. it's not a meta, it's not OBJECTIVELY better

meta means it is objectively better, in that its stats offer superior performance across a larger spectrum

[wise blaze]

i mean, you sorta could but thats me being an idiot on purpose haha

[wise blaze]

yes. which is what im saying

[hazy path]

You could magdump an SVD at close range, but then you have to worry about recoil, limited mag capacity, and reliability (it's not just scaled up AK)

[wise blaze]

thus its not meta

[hazy path]

meta is like in EfT where SVD has only marginally more recoil than an AK

and does a f***load more damage and penetration

whereas in real life you'd be stupid to fight CQC with an SVD if you had the choice

[wise blaze]

so its a way larger meta, that doesnt mean the other way isnt

[fluid abyss]

I think @wise blaze is just being super dumb about the definition of meta

the way I see it, metas form when you drop something comparable in favor of something else, because that something else is slightly better at the same job, rendering the first item almost entirely obsolete.

Comparing snipers & rifles isn't a matter of metas because both have their specialties. Comparing rifles & rifles is a meta, unless both rifles are specifically designed to handle certain situations better than the other, without making the other obsolete.

[hazy path]

meta implies there are objectively better choices regardless of situation due to stats obsession

[wise blaze]

not at all. when has it ever meant that

[hazy path]

like if you put these attachments on m4 it's "meta" because it has the lowest recoil etc

always???? bruh are you a zoomer lmao

meta by definition is a statistics advantage

[wise blaze]

yea i didnt say it wasnt

you claimed it is REGARDLESS of situation. meta has never meant that

[hazy path]

like if an armor is -50% speed deficit but 300% protection advantage obviously it's "the meta"

meta only exists because of mechanics that don't accurately simulate things

[wise blaze]

will respond in a sec. in middle of match cant read it all

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy path]

you can have some kind of magic soviet armor that stops everything short of 23mm but IRL you could wear that and get hit in the armpit with a 115gr 9mm FMJ and die instantly

That's not number generators, that's hitboxes

having a hitbox system like that would literally be called "meta breaking" because it introduces a realistic mechanic that stops things from being overpowered due to stats

[wise blaze]

and thus a different argument

[hazy path]

my argument is that "meta" is literally a statistics bottleneck

[wise blaze]

I dont disagree

but its real and cannot be avoided

and tbh, it really shouldnt be avoided

[hazy path]

you're correct. even if they made "the matrix: the game" where everything is simulated as accurately as possible by your brain, it still relies on programming

you could argue that real life has metas lmao

[wise blaze]

thats what im doing

[hazy path]

I guess in that case, realism would be respecting the natural advantages

[wise blaze]

yes. that is almost exactly what Im arguing too. you make your premise not follow your view tho so thats where we differ

[wise blaze]

thus creating a meta. 9mm will always be worse than .50 bmg, etc

[hazy path]

lmao that's where you're wrong. if that was true, why is it people don't use a .50 bmg has a home defense gun? why aren't all cops armed with .50 BMGs?

for doing damage, absolutely, no question. thats totally incontrovertible

but you have to respect things like: cost; form factor; recoil; reliability; ammo availability; etc

[fluid abyss]

collateral damage

[hazy path]

when have cops cared about collateral damage lmao

[wise blaze]

literally "always"?

[hazy path]

right...because they don't have qualified immunity and a strong union to write it off when it happens literally every day

[wise blaze]

that doesnt mean they dont care about it

[hazy path]

you're not wrong, I guess I was brash. It's a concern, but not an operative one

If someone is shooting at you, shoot back. shit happens

[wise blaze]

i mean, id reckon it is an operative one. thats why they dont shoot at cars in a chase (mostly) thats why they call off pursuits, thats why they dont PIT. and thast just for 1 thing that cops have to do

[hazy path]

anyway...I can tell you right now if I wanted to frickin atomize someone, .50 bmg would be just dandy. but how am I gonna maneuver in close quarters with a gun that is 3 feet long?

you gonna carry the """""light""""" fifty in a holster, all 38 pounds of it?

metas exist because video games don't account for stuff like that

[wise blaze]

no. that doesnt mean it is "worse" tho. that means that it is just not as good

[hazy path]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[wise blaze]

I wish I could make a chart, but I suck at those. lemme try and type what im trying to show

[hazy path]

I'm screencapping that for all of time lmao. "it's not worse, it's just less gooder"

[wise blaze]

ok, fine. make sure to include this- less good than its best does not equate to worse than something else

[hazy path]

fair enough

[wise blaze]

.50 BMG will always outperform 9mm (id say 9mm wins 1/100 times since i dont like absolutes)

I explain. 1 sec to type

[hazy path]

outperform in what sense? damage? sure. recoil? hell nah. price per round? no way. rapid fire? forget about it

sometimes to win the engagement you just need to shoot more. volume of fire, violence of action, etc. overwhelm a mf.

in video games you always have perfect aim where your crosshairs are, and enemies don't get gunshy about incoming rounds.

[wise blaze]

you are comparing individual things. in that case, then itd be better to compare 9mm to .45. im talking totality

[hazy path]

if someone is literally 5m away around a corner, you want 16 rounds of 9mm, and most of it is going to not hit anything

[wise blaze]

eh. depends on the game

I would explain but i see where our difference lies

[hazy path]

the initial salvo is just gonna put rounds down, and you are going to push the corner, and the last half of the mag is what is actually gonna do the damage

real life gunfights are won by capacity and skill and balls, and when they finally make a game that mimics that, there won't be any "meta," it'll just be "tactics"

[wise blaze]

so would you want to push that with half a pistol mag or a browning on a humvee.

[hazy path]

having a full mag vs half of one isn't a meta lmao

[wise blaze]

I didnt say it was?

[hazy path]

i don't get yoru point then

[wise blaze]

(I could argue it is tho)

I thought u were refering to 9mm always being worse than .50

[hazy path]

I would push that corner with half a pistol mag because how the frick am I gonna use a m2 holding it in my hands lmao

the gun is 50+ pounds without ammo, and you fire it with a thumb trigger

that's a ridiculous concept that nobody would ever use in combat, that's not a meta, it's common sense

[wise blaze]

you appear to miss the "on a humvee" that I said

[hazy path]

ah well, if you can fit a humvee inside my house, then sure, yeah lmao

hear bump in the night
start up the humvee and drive it into the living room

[wise blaze]

I mean, I could. but that wasnt specified and still doesnt make the .50 worse

it makes 1 aspect of the .50 worse but that doesnt mean as a whole it is

[hazy path]

it makes it worse at every capacity except for where you could reasonably make use of its strengths

again, that's not meta, that's just a trade-off

[wise blaze]

so the fact that I cant hold it makes the bullet do less than 9mm in all cases?

[hazy path]

.50 BMG on a humvee wouldn't be shit against a jet lol

[wise blaze]

thats what meta is tho

[hazy path]

that doesn't make it any more or less meta. it just makes it an inappropriate tool

[wise blaze]

technically it would.youd have to be lucky and hit it, but I get what u mean

[wise blaze]

thus its less meta?

[hazy path]

you can stab someone at point blank range easier than you can shoot them, and a knife doesn't have ammo. KNIFE META??? lmao come on man

[wise blaze]

yes.

[hazy path]

bruh

[wise blaze]

If a knife is better at doing its job than any gun, it is meta

[hazy path]

can you stab someone out of arms' reach? GUN META???

[dry imp]

i blowing you head off funny man

[hazy path]

come on dude...you don't get it

[wise blaze]

yes.

[dry imp]

im blowing your head off funny man

[hazy path]

it's been gun meta for 400 years

[wise blaze]

what dont I get?

[wise blaze]

yes. that is my point

[hazy path]

OK I'm out. space shuttle boarding now, passenger me

I do not think we will agree on this lol

[dry imp]

guns are cool

knives are cool

[hazy path]

I agree with this

though honestly if guns were uncool as hell it wouldn't change a thing

[wise blaze]

its ok. you dont have to. (I am not saying this to be a douche, idk how to phrase it better tho) its ok to not agree, but I would prefer to have you be correct on the subject, so if u can stay, Id love to talk. if ur leaving cause u got other stuff, nw

[hazy path]

no it's fine, I respect your opinion and you

wow I found a discord where people can respectfully disagree and not engage in petty slapfights

[dry imp]

no i HATE you AND your opinion!!!!!!!

[wise blaze]

sure. I am meaning that objectively you are wrong (again, not meaning to sound douche)

[hazy path]

I think this is more an argument about semantics than it is concepts

[wise blaze]

like. my opinion aside, you are not correct

[wise blaze]

yea. maybe its about both

not sure what u mean by "concepts"

[hazy path]

well I think every argument starts with people not really understanding what the other person is talking about, and I think the argument over what constitutes "meta" is more about applying existing concepts, making it a semantic difference

[wise blaze]

In games, the "meta" is referring to what are the strongest strategies currently- reddit guy (ik but cant find much better definition and he is right) im looking for more tho

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wise blaze]

here we go- wikipedia- the prefix meta- is used to mean about (its own category)

so knives will be meta in their category over guns.

[hazy path]

I would say it's more about what you are calling meta, like different situations. Close combat meta, long range meta, or "I have to carry this thing 18 hours a day please don't make it heavy and cumbersome" meta

[wise blaze]

.50 will be meta over 9mm in its category

[hazy path]

I am just saying that IRL there are right tools for right job, but if you want to call that a "meta" thats situation-dependent sure

Therefore it's a semantic difference. That's what I mean

[wise blaze]

yes. the right tool for the job would be meta. thats practically exactly what the word means

[wise blaze]

yea, I see what u mean by semantic. I agree too

[hazy path]

That's what I am saying, it's not even a real argument 🙂

just a misunderstanding about semantics

[wise blaze]

we were also going too broad. 9mm and .50 would be different metas, not meta over eachother

more would be 1911 vs .45 glock. which is meta

[hazy path]

yeah OK I agree

[wise blaze]

idek if glock can be .45 but u get my point

[hazy path]

all the boomers who say muh two world wars are obviously ignorant of existing meta (capacity > """"stopping power"""")

[wise blaze]

id take a 1911 if it could hold 15 rnds. I think "technically" it can but its annoying to.

[hazy path]

yeah there are glocks in lots of different cartridges. Just to name them off the top of my head, there's .22, .380, 9mm, 10mm, .357 SIG, .40, .45 ACP, maybe some others

[wise blaze]

im prefering the idea of the 5.7 anyway. Id need to look more into it tho

[hazy path]

well I hate to break it to you but 1911 just refers to the form factor, not the cartridge. there are lots of 9mm 1911s

there are also many double-stack 1911s that take multiple cartdiges too

[wise blaze]

fair point too. I figure everyone thinks of 1911 as .45 since thats what I do

[hazy path]

well it's the OG, muh two world wars, etc. but yeah "1911" in common parlance just refers to the form factor. things like single action, tilting barrel with center pin, separate recoil guide rod and spring with barrel bushing, etc

its a non-technical term that encompasses a lot of technical design features

like if you had a 1911 that's double action, is it really a 1911? well whoever made that would argue it looks like one, shoots like one, has the same Browning tilting barrel design, same internal hammer spring and flat-spring grip safety, etc

same external controls would probably be the biggest feature, like "if you are used to shooting 1911, this has the same external safety, but it also has a decocker" etc

idk I know a fair bit about guns so my idea of what constitutes superior firepower is a bit more specific

[wise blaze]

thx. I know wayyyy less about guns that I want to, but my parents are a bit less thrilled about guns so I havent really gotten a chance to do anything with the guns that we have

[hazy path]

I didn't start shooting until I was in my mid 20s

naturally my parents were equally thrilled about the prospect lmao but once you're an adult you do as you please more or less

[wise blaze]

yea

[hazy path]

the rest is just info I have absorbed by being on forums and talking to gun people and shooting myself and research etc. it just happens

[dry imp]

didnt you guys say you respected each other's opinion and ended it

[wise blaze]

Ive got a 16 gauge shotgun from my grandpa and then my dad has his dads revolver, his dads 30/30, a .22 rifle and some pistol stuff that I will end up with someday

[wise blaze]

we did

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy path]

we're talkin bout guns themselves now

liberty stick shoots freedom seeds

[dry imp]

so true

[hazy path]

So true!!!! 😮

[hazy path]

xDDDDD

could I have pls just a small trickle of that arms package? pretty please? Like let's just say one m4. That's all I ask.

nobody has to know

[wise blaze]

just get ar-15. its 1000000000000% more deadly obv. with its heatseeking fully semi auto clips

[hazy path]

jej

well 14.5" barrel plus select fire is pretty kewl

although I guess I would probably swap out that barrel since m4 profile barrel is overly robust due to crummy military research

[dry imp]

jej

he really said jej

[hazy path]

I'm holding it down

[wise blaze]

are there normal guns that you replace the barrel on quickly like a big MG? afaik MGs are made for ez barrel swaps since the barrels get ruined so quick if u shoot too much

or do most small guns like rifles require more work to change barrels

[hazy path]

GREAT question. I saw some footage out of ukraine recently where this dude pops off like 200+ rounds on an M240B in rapid succession

From what m240B gunners told me, there are guidelines which use round count over time as a way to approximate heat and wear

So basically if you have an M240B and you shoot a 200 round belt without stopping you absolutely need a barrel change, and you may have damaged it

something like...6-10 round bursts ever 4 seconds means a barrel change every 200 rounds

3-4 round bursts every 10 seconds is like 400

that's mostly to manage the heat though. you don't damage the rifling unless you overheat the barrel, hence why round counts and time in between bursts matters

[wise blaze]

yea, ik that. but say I want a rifle. and I want to have it so the barrel can be replaces quickly in case it broke. do they make rifles that do that?

[hazy path]

ok I was gonna say I don't know, but there is ONE I know of...AUG

it's the only intermediate caliber rifle I know of with a quick-change barrel

usually you won't shoot enough to really warrant it. magdumping is something that you only do as a last resort or in video games

worst case scenario you are providing suppressive fire for a maneuvering element. that might mean like 60-90 rounds full auto back to back

typical normal-duty barrel on any gun is going to be super super hot by that point, and shooting any more would be liable to damage the barrel

that's why you might see certain guns like the M27 IAR which still use 30 round box mags have heavier barrels and bipods, because they are designed to be able to take punishment of sustained automatic fire

at the cost of having a much heavier and cumbersome weapon of course

[wise blaze]

sure but barrels do break other ways, not that its common

[hazy path]

I have never in my entire life seen someone damage a barrel by doing anything other than shooting a lot really fast, shooting corrosive ammo and not cleaning after, or doing something stupid like shooting with a barrel full of water, wrong cartridge/caliber, etc

[wise blaze]

tho carrying an extra barrel is also dumb for a small chance of a break

[hazy path]

interesting you bring that up because the "government" profile barrel on the m16/m4 has a much thicker tip because they thought people were bending the barrels. Nope, just the wrong ammo/twist rate lol

you can't quick change a barrel on any gun I know of except AUG, unless it's a machine gun

I mean like a GPMG, not the legal definition

You need, minimum, let's say on a modern AR, you need a wrench to remove the barrel, and a vice to hold the gun.

[wise blaze]

I figure you could even go without a vice if you reallllly had to. plenty of nature made levers

[hazy path]

it's not something you can do between your legs in the middle of a firefight. Again, if you are shooting semi auto, you can probably burn 2-3 mags before you are really doing damage to the barrel.

Lmao if you are bad ass enough to cut a tree down and wedge it in a stump you will still need a wrench

[wise blaze]

haha yea

whittle a wrench from a branch. ez

[hazy path]

plus the more you shoot, the more carbonized material is gonna add to that "stiction"

it's not like an AK where if it's stick, you just hit it harder. soviet percussive maintenance designed for 70 IQ conscripts

If you over or under torque the barrel you are gonna be in for a bad time, either sooner or later

also kalashnikovs were smart enough to PIN the barrel inside the trunnion so mouthbreathers wouldn't screw with it

if you have a problem with a barrel in a kalashnikov pattern rifle, you give it to the armorer who hopefully is sober enough to fix it

so much for the "people's rifle" lol you need giant specialized presses to pin the barrel correctly. IF YOU DID IT USING A HOMEMADE PRESS YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT DOING IT RIGHT

and of course this creates issues regarding headspacing if you don't also have the proper tools

you can buy a bargain bin m4 and put literally random buffer weight, spring rate, gas block, barrel, ETC and as long as you don't screw up the installation it'll work

[tiny olive]

I'm wondering, was there some etymology with how burers were called burers?

[wise blaze]

I need to get myself a rifle like an AR just for if the world goes to shit even more

[hazy path]

One gun is infinitely better than none. Even if it's some piece of shit like century arms or anderson or hi-point

a 70% chance of putting a hole in something is infinitely more than a 0% chance

[hazy path]

that's a really good question. afaik it doesn't translate to anything in russian or ukrainian, so it must be a name they came up with on purpose

[wise blaze]

ive got shotgun and pistols and 1 rifle. no clue how much ammo tho

[fluid abyss]

they be buring on my artifact until I anomaly

[tiny olive]

At first i thought they were bureucrats

[hazy path]

time to take inventory. the right amount of ammo is [(amount of ammo you would conceivably need in one firefight) x 10] + [(n, where n = the amount of current ammo) + n * 0.1 acquired monthly]

[wise blaze]

id reckon its also rather old

[hazy path]

I think it's like something that burrows, like they are dwarves that live underground or some shit

[wise blaze]

so yea. but its not reallly mine yet so Im not gonna bother til it is

[hazy path]

old guns are nice, as long as they are well maintained. my friend has a 100-year-old shotgun that is a pleasure to shoot

[wise blaze]

I highly doubt these are. my parents dont take care of their shi

[hazy path]

in Stalker, like TOZ-106 style shotgun.

Made out of walnut. Must have cost a fortune back in the day.

In the sears catalog lmao. "hello yes I would like one shotgun" and it arrives in the post

[wise blaze]

I also dont even know how to sight in and such. which annoys me. I could learn but that is still low on my list even tho its not

[hazy path]

you don't bother sighting shotguns unless you are doing stuff like hunting with slugs and a 20 inch barrel

more important is picking the right ammo and knowing what the shot pattern looks like at range (and of course keeping the gun in good repair)

unless you are of course running slugs at range, in which case, making sure you can consistently hit a target at 25, 50, and 100m matters

[wise blaze]

sure. but the 30/30

[hazy path]

and then you have to find the right slugs that work the best, like if it's a cylinder bore, do you run lead slugs? sabot slugs? put on a choke? etc

[wise blaze]

it looked ez to sight actually but idk

[hazy path]

.30-30 is a rifle my guy

that's a durr-huntin' rifle

[wise blaze]

yea

[hazy path]

20" barrel?

[wise blaze]

no ide

[hazy path]

well OK so basically go look up whatever ammo type, and see if there's a chart that compares ballistic performance with barrel length

and you can sight your rifle that way, but provided you use the same ammo

[wise blaze]

thats my issue. idk the actual stuff other than how to aim if its sighted properly for me, how to work the gun basic and thats about it

[hazy path]

It's a powerful cartridge but it's a huge bullet, very heavy one

so its trajectory is kinda parabolic, not exactly very flat shooting. that's why sighting it and knowing your ranges, the experience of shooting closer or further than sighting range, that all matters

[wise blaze]

I sorta know how to clean the CZ my dad has (I think its that one. coulda been a different pistol) but not enough to do it on my own if it came down to it. that is a bit simple tho so im less worried

[hazy path]

don't use too much lube, that's the biggest rookie mistake

[wise blaze]

when I get my own EDC pistol i will learn for that

[hazy path]

honestly every gun is different. but today you can just go on youtube and look up like "CZ-75 maintenance routine" and some boomer will explain exactly what parts need the most lube

basically any metal-on-metal contact needs lube

if it's a tilting barrel gun, that means the barrel loop needs it, that means the barrel pin needs it, etc

but just a drop or two...any more and you're just gonna attract detritus until it turns into a sticky goop that will hinder cycling in adverse conditions

barrel just needs a solvent to clean it. it's literally designed for soft metal jackets made out of copper to have that metal-on-metal contact at high temperatures, don't lube the barrel, just keep it clean

[tiny olive]

That makes sense

[hazy path]

my man has the trenchcoat tho, where did he get that? who makes it? who has bestowed upon this munchkin mutant his drip?

was he a bandit before being turned into one?

[tiny olive]

He drippin in the zone

Must be from Sidorovich

[wise blaze]

thx. Idek if the guns will be in any working condition by the time I get them. maybe the revolver cause its not used much and so simple. the 30/30 and shotguns too but idk if their current condition. the pistols I doubt they will be good, especially the CZ since my dad wasnt cleaning it after shooting it as well

[tiny olive]

Is there a mod that puts you as one of the mutants or something? Story based one.

[hazy path]

unless its using corrosive ammo it doesn't matter. you can just clean and lube it. UNLESS the mf is so hot and dry the metal-on-metal contact is making everything sloppy. which is possible.

[wise blaze]

thx. I wouldnt even know that but I think not

[hazy path]

but honestly maintenance is mostly just making sure the mf will cycle. if it doesn't, cleaning it will usually work. problems with the hammer can also be ameliorated usually by replacing springs, other times guns need new bushings (like 1911) and that's it

it's not corrosive unless it's literal spam can soviet shit and I don't recall them ever having 9x19 in a spam can so I wouldn't worry about it lol

you can tell anyway just by looking at the barrel. if you clean it and its pitted to hell, RIP

[wise blaze]

I honestly could just be paranoid cause they ruined a perfectly good motorcycle cause they cant be bothered to take care of thes tuff the horde

[hazy path]

but then it's just a barrel swap and you're good. easy af on a tilting barrel pistol like cz-75

I used to work on motorcycles, I can tell you they are far more mechanically complex than literally any gun

[hazy path]

dude...that would be based as hell. I never thought about being a mindless bloodsucker eating rookies in the agroprom tunnels lmao

[finite dragon]

sounds so boring

[hazy path]

sounds like the left 4 dead mp mode where you are the hunter and you pounce on mfs

I'd rather be psysucker tho, I would kill mfs by doing some illusions 3 rooms away 😛

"If you die in the zone, you die in real life" lmao

[finite dragon]

the zone is the matrix

[dry imp]

true!

[finite dragon]

maybe the matrix 4 was stalker 2 all along

[wise blaze]

yea ik that haha

[hazy path]

that's a rather inauspicious portent

[finite dragon]

this is a en channel

[hazy path]

I have more faith in GSC developing a AAA video game while a war's going on than I did in the matrix post-revolutions

matrix 4 is literal proof that money is capable of manifesting cringe from thin air

[wise blaze]

the main reason that the bike is toast is cause the piston basically got glued inside the chamber (cylinder?)

[hazy path]

overheated cylinder, probably had an oil leak and kept running it lol

[wise blaze]

past that, we couldnt even find out since that was such a major problem

[hazy path]

unless it's a harley, in which case it's just normal harley problems. you know...because they suck

you can fix that but honestly, why would you

unless it's some really nice classic piece it's basically totalled

[finite dragon]

im glad harleys are dying out with boomers

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy path]

same. good riddance. I remember 10 years ago they were learning hard into the hipster crowd, they had that thing...street 750, made in india/thailand, wooden brakes, and it was like $14k

[wise blaze]

idk. more just poor storage conditions. apparently it worked 20 years ago last it ran haah

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy path]

turns out hipsters want crappy shovelheads, panheads, oil leaking junk...not NEW harleys. they don't care about the brand name, it just has to look like some easy rider crap heap

[wise blaze]

hella dust and no cover over the bike when we kept it in our shed

[finite dragon]

they're so priced and annoying and last a fraction of the time..

[hazy path]

if it has had gas in it for 20 years you are lookin at probably some major problems...unless it's a japanese bike from the late 90s-2000s

[wise blaze]

I think thats exactly what it was actually

[hazy path]

it blows my mind that to this day they are still making bikes with inline cylinders because "muh tradition" even though it is literally the worst possible configuration, and they STILL use SPLIT piston rods to achieve...wait for it...rear cylinder overheating. that's your prize.

[oblique thistle]

I just found out SoC has bullet ricochet

[hazy path]

OK worst case, new piston rings, once you un-seize the piston. compression might go to hell but it'll run. you'll probably have to replace every o-ring, gasket, seal, and line that held the fuel because by now it's literally acetone

[wise blaze]

suzuki TS 225 or something like that

[hazy path]

TS250

[wise blaze]

yea prolly

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy path]

that thing is a million FRIGGING years old. seriously

[wise blaze]

I dmd you. do u mind talking there since this is "stalker" chat

[hazy path]

latest gen is TS250X which came out in 1981 lol

[tiny olive]

Then you spawned as a tushkano 💀

But then, rats are very aggressive

[nimble cipher]

benis#5596 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[safe badge]

I wish you all a good day be well

[keen shale]

well i just beat call of pripyat

[gilded sentinel]

Don’t even talk to me if Vano died

[hazy helm]

You kill vano as soon as you can

[gilded sentinel]

You’re terrible

But he joins freedumb later , so that’s ok

😈

[hazy helm]

You kill vano in the tunnel
Only good answer

Then Zulu

[gilded sentinel]

You honestly don’t have to do anything for them to die

Just open the sealed doors and flex until they’re spork food

[keen shale]

He lived, but Strelok died in my playthrough

[gilded sentinel]

Anyone else ?

[keen shale]

The lieutenant as well I believe

and the colonel

[hazy helm]

Based

[gilded sentinel]

So pretty much your whole escort

[hazy helm]

You should kill strelok as soon as he is outside

He does not deserve the cameo

[gilded sentinel]

I always kill all the military when the helicopters are almost there

[keen shale]

Most of them died yeah lmao

[gilded sentinel]

No witnesses

[keen shale]

It feels good though to beat it. Now I need to beat SoC and CS\

[gilded sentinel]

[keen shale]

Yeah I mistakenly got CoP first before I knew anything about stalker

But I'm familiar with the lore because I enjoy watching lore videos (especially anomalous dugout)

[gilded sentinel]

Oh so you prob can play cs first

[keen shale]

I could, but meh I'll probably just do SoC first then cs

[gilded sentinel]

Yeah , right decision cs is the worst game of the century

[keen shale]

Though I feel like what Strelok says about the CConciousness sorts nullifies the events of SoC

I don't care if its good or not I'm gonna play it so I can understand the lore better

[gilded sentinel]

[hazy helm]

CS is way better than CoP

Tbh

[keen shale]

I feel like a lot of stuff gets retconned in CoP

[hazy helm]

But cant beat soc

[hazy helm]

Honestly,no,CoP doesnt have much in the way of lore

[gilded sentinel]

Every stalker got retconed as hell

[hazy helm]

Not as much as youd expect tbh

Especially in CoPs case

[keen shale]

When Strelok says the whole "what we know is a lie etc etc" he def is nullifying the events of SoC, because what he is saying the CConciousness isn't real, it's just a figment of his imagination?

[gilded sentinel]

Literally half of soc was taken down , many already completed locations , mutants like burger and chimera which were already fully functional and just wasn’t implemented

Soc could’ve been SOO much better

Shame they did what they did

[hazy helm]

No,strelok says the wish granter isnt real and that he killed the ccon whicj confirms the ending of SoC

[keen shale]

I don't mind if things are left grey because it makes the lore interesting imo

[hazy helm]

But they shouldn't have put strelok in CoP anyway,the biggest retcon in CoP is the gauss gun

Item 62

[gilded sentinel]

What’s wrong with it ?

The gauss

[hazy helm]

Item 62,the gauss gun,is an experimental prototype that barely worked and couldnt be mass produced in CoP,but im SoC it was in a lot of monolith hands

Its not even a big thing

Which is why I say

CoP doesnt retcon as much as youd think

It stays pretty truthful

[keen shale]

What about when he says he doesn't even know who created the zone, but he knows they're out there, he just doesn't know where? How does that not disprove the events of SoC

[gilded sentinel]

But cop never says monolith didint have a lot of them , maybe c-con made some more or smth

[hazy helm]

Strelok already said he killed the ccon and now nothing could stop the zone,guess Ill have to read the dialogue again

Not playing cop again tho ew

[keen shale]

Yeah I remember he said he doesn't know who created the zone, other than they are out there. If that's the case, how can we verify that the killing of ccon happened, even when he says he doesn't understand what is and isn't real?

[gilded sentinel]

Played it with 2k , cgim and gunslinger

Way better than cs could be

Way prettier to

[hazy helm]

Literally the worst way to play CoP

Debatebly

Misery is still a thing

[keen shale]

If I recall, one of the plot points for the old stalker 2 was something to do with strelok being an agent of the ccon or like lebedev somehow using strelok to replace him in the ccon? but idk thats not considered canon since that game never was released

[hazy helm]

Its not

[keen shale]

but maybe that somehow explains why strelok doesn't remember or believe anything? idk this shit is crazy

[hazy helm]

S2012 is not cannon and it should never be

[keen shale]

Yeah I agree, but I feel like it somewhat could explain why strelok doesn't remember anything. Because they wanted to set up some plot point in the future for strelok being used to replace lebedev

[hazy helm]

Ho god I just looked at the suggestions channel

[keen shale]

i just hope the lore in stalker 2 is good, i am somewhat confused by the existence of the ward faction? i guess we will see how they play out

[gilded sentinel]

Add america to stalker

[gilded sentinel]

It seems like there will be more factions , which I find great since in the original only actual ones were duty and freedom

[hazy helm]

In chambles rn crying in a corner

[hazy helm]

I cannot go into the leaks

[keen shale]

Yeah I agree more factions is great. I feel like more factions makes since because the zone has expanded. I just hope their existence makes sense. That's what I love most about stalker. I feel like all the factions have ineteresting agendas

[gilded sentinel]

Although I still don’t get the idea why they would make a faction who’s job is being policeman of the zone

[hazy helm]

All I will say is the zone isnt stagnant dont expect everything tk stay the same

[keen shale]

I do not even wanna hear leaks I just wanna play the game when it comes out with a fresh perspective haha

[keen shale]

In the end of CoP, it does say a lot of freedomers and dutyers leave their factions and become loners. Maybe some dutyers became the ward?

[hazy helm]

We cant talk about it anyway

Kek

[gilded sentinel]

That kinda makes sense

[keen shale]

Imo it would make sense for Duty to become weaker since most of the zones inhabitants don't really care much for them anyways

They are fighting a losing battle

[keen shale]

Ik it's a bit of a stretch, but I sorta feel like Duty was Ward already in some way

[gilded sentinel]

I just don’t get why you need 2 police forces in the zone now

Like they do they same thing but without cleansing the zone

[hazy helm]

The fact that Duty actively fights the bandits is a big thing in the zone tbf

[keen shale]

Yeah I agree. Maybe it's because Duty isn't that powerful anymore so someone took their place. Yet, how could Duty become weaker? They have Ukrainian Military connections?

[keen shale]

true

[hazy helm]

Duty was also a peacekeeper in the territories they controlled

[hazy helm]

My lips are sealed

[keen shale]

My two cents is that either they lost members due to constant fighting with mercs bandits and the zone, deserters, or they are losing the war with freedom

no spoilers!

orrrrr

What if Duty got weaker overtime so the Ward took over. Leaving some Duty members to feel sour. That's where the player comes in and can either help ward become the major policeman, or help duty become a major power player again!

[hazy helm]

Merc fighting is more of a freedom thing tbf

[keen shale]

I thought Freedom was fine with Mercs? Yknow the whole let people do what they wanna do type thing

[hazy helm]

But I can tell you none of those are right,not telling you any specifics

[keen shale]

ohhh

[hazy helm]

What no
CS entire freedom story is about fighting mercs

[keen shale]

yeah no spoilers

[hazy helm]

They are notoriously not ok with each other

[keen shale]

i see

[hazy helm]

Besides freedom is about the freedom of everything in the zone
Its access to its knowledge and rewards
They have scientists and reporters,and regularly send results to the mainland to be publicly published

[keen shale]

true

i wonder if we will ever figure out who the mercs "client" is

[hazy helm]

I don't want to

And will be mad if they do

And its more than one client they are mercs

[keen shale]

i can see why, it would take away some of the mystery surrounding mercs

[west harbor]

i just learned what a flesh is

i always assumed it was a soc or mod exclusive mutant

turns out they're called "barbaks" in the french versions of the og trilogy

their name is derived from the word "barbaque", which is slang for bbq-grilled meat

[worthy lagoon]

Lmao

[hazy helm]

the Flesh name is Плоть in russian
which means flesh yes,but not like human flesh,like skin,more of meat flesh

different context

[vernal magnet]

that is awesome

[amber tendon]

A barbeque'd flesh per say

[vernal magnet]

im now calling them BBQ Bois

[amber tendon]

Because it's no longer flesh of an animal

[vernal magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/videodrome-long-live-new-flesh-gif-25957426

[hazy helm]

its more flesh bc its a lump of meat

[timid lotus]

hi stalker

[long harbor]

mfw the sky isn't clear

[fluid abyss]

What if we made stalker 2 EXACTLY like escape from tarkov and then named it “escape from tarkov”? -tactical hardcore realism mfs

[timid lotus]

and the state security isn't safe

[long harbor]

shut up wannabe scientists

[timid lotus]

ok white collar officer

[pearl jacinth]

military speaking 🚿 🚿

[solid dome]

Trolls have found their way in?!

[solid dome]

Potty mouth Milk

[gilded sentinel]

They never left

Always been there

[pearl jacinth]

hallo duty

[pearl jacinth]

i raided one of dutys outposts last night

[gilded sentinel]

I raided your moms outpost last night

😏

[pearl jacinth]

i will raid YOu

[gilded sentinel]

[pearl jacinth]

[gilded sentinel]

[pearl jacinth]

true

m

showing my grandpa stalker

coming into his room the next day and finding him wearing an actual gas mask

they made this thing called... virtual reality.... you put this headset on and you are literally IN THE GAME...

true

it's so cool, you become the character

stalker themed rhythm game

"they stole all the chocolate chocolate chip and put it into the zone"

[timid lotus]

hi

[amber tendon]

Hello

[pearl jacinth]

hello

[timid lotus]

is everbody good

[pearl jacinth]

yeas

[amber tendon]

Pretty much

[pearl jacinth]

how are you doing today stalker0718

[timid lotus]

i just went to school and i want to kick some bandits from garbage

[pearl jacinth]

online school and some guy logs on from the chernobyl npp

[timid lotus]

There is a show at school for may 19th and they will not do nice things to those who do not come, but if I pretend to be sick, I will not go to school for 3 days.

they take your phone give you more homework and bad grades

[pearl jacinth]

simply for not going to an event? what the hell

[timid lotus]

im living in turkey its like a dark web

but they call your parents

no they said me you can stay home for show

if i pretend to be sick, no

they said yes

and they are teacher

i cant belive how they said that

better than standing under the Adana sun for 2 hours

[umbral brook]

E

[pearl jacinth]

monolith spotted

[timid lotus]

shoot him

[umbral brook]

I've been shot many times already

[timid lotus]

brain washed guy

and stone worshiper

[umbral brook]

Divorce leads children to the worst places

[timid lotus]

im sorry about that monolith

[umbral brook]

😔

[pearl jacinth]

make love not war

[umbral brook]

Freedom

[timid lotus]

dont worry about that when we die its will be good maybe we can go heaven

[umbral brook]

Maybe

[timid lotus]

@pearl jacinth said make love not war then we can go heaven

[umbral brook]

But there are no women in the zone, how to even make love 💀

[pearl jacinth]

it's easy, actually. homosexuality!

[umbral brook]

I ain't boning a mutant or some dutyer

[pearl jacinth]

more for me, then

[umbral brook]

☠️

[timid lotus]

i just want plastic bloodsucker

[umbral brook]

Crazy

[umbral brook]

I thought kissing a shiny rock was crazy, but this is mad crazy

[timid lotus]

maybe monolith better than

[hazy helm]

you could be in a worse place

said place is #📜┃s2_suggestions

its awful

[pearl jacinth]

every time you feel like your life sucks, just remember that people actually live in florida

[hazy helm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550869975385112606/949878830376583218/image0.gif

nightmares

[umbral brook]

"sex defender has been muted for 2 days"

☠️what type of name is that

[hazy helm]

he who defends sex

[pearl jacinth]

eight words can tell a whole story

[umbral brook]

Fr fr

[timid lotus]

i cant wait i will ask you gguys

[umbral brook]

Duty defending sex

[timid lotus]

duty or freedom

[hazy helm]

who cares

[umbral brook]

None

[pearl jacinth]

free stalkers

[timid lotus]

just monolith?

[umbral brook]

Idk man, I respect every faction

[hazy helm]

it has become a red vs blue headache for the 14y olds

[timid lotus]

thats good

[pearl jacinth]

i walked near your guys base one time and immediately started getting shot at

[hazy helm]

thats not a faction,it doesnt exist

[umbral brook]

Cut faction

[hazy helm]

no

its not

Sin is a cut faction

[umbral brook]

ISG

[hazy helm]

UNISG and the UN textures are different

and its like

there were a few textures in the first Clear Sky build that is it

thats not a faction

[umbral brook]

Oh, didn't know

[hazy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/gman-half-life-alyx-half-life-hl-hlalyx-gif-18864001

[umbral brook]

That's the fully brainwashed people

[hazy helm]

at this point,the Cleaners are probably the best fan faction faction
and that faction is dumb

its so dumb

very very dumb

[umbral brook]

The fan factions are hella goofy

[pearl jacinth]

hey guys, introducing my new fan faction; super ultra death megatron 5900

[hazy helm]

basically most russian fan factions

badasses who kick ass and are the best and have all the tech and connections and helicopters and adna dn

it works if its dumb enuff tho

[umbral brook]

Guys I'm gonna introduce my new fan faction!!: Super Sluggy Military Bandits

[hazy helm]

god I need to play OP2.2
after NLC

[pearl jacinth]

introducing my new fan faction; rat cult

[umbral brook]

introducing my new fan faction: strelok lovers

[timid lotus]

stalker 2: we add new faction the faction: degenerate military (its not funny)

[pearl jacinth]

rats, were rats, weeeere the rats, we prey at night we stalk at night, were the rats

[timid lotus]

new faction: mutants

[umbral brook]

new faction: green bandits "slugs"

[pearl jacinth]

[timid lotus]

slugs members love cocain

[umbral brook]

[timid lotus]

[umbral brook]

[timid lotus]

join faction now

[umbral brook]

What faction

[timid lotus]

wo.. monolith

[hazy helm]

thats it

I need to play LA1.3

[umbral brook]

What's that

Never heard alot of stalker mods and stuff

[hazy helm]

supposedly,the bad Lost Alpha

I refuse to play LADC before I play LA

[umbral brook]

Oh okay

Little Army Dumb Crusaders

[timid lotus]

thats better

[full estuary]

Guys number 15 is getting closer imagine that and nothing will happen

[hazy helm]

what

[full estuary]

The number 15 on the top of the energy drink

[umbral brook]

Number 15: scary freedomer at cordon

[full estuary]

It must mean something amirite

[pearl jacinth]

yeah it means 15

[full estuary]

Exactly

[umbral brook]

[full estuary]

From what i heard ukrainian chat channel was going crazy over it

[hazy helm]

everyone who isnt a chump went crazy

[full estuary]

Let the zone take me if it actually has a meaning

[hazy helm]

bc that means we might see something 15

it means something

molit was even trolling us

[timid lotus]

why mercs doesnt love stalkers

[full estuary]

I mean someone spent time texturing that thing and put very visible number on it while other energy drinks usually have barely visible numbers on it

I don't know tbh i'm just a diehard fan of this lore and i want more news

[pearl jacinth]

the fog is coming on the 15th

[worn oar]

No need man

It's better if you play the final DC version right away

[hazy helm]

too later

you cant stop me

I need to see it

experience it

[worn oar]

There is no point in playing 1.3 version

[hazy helm]

I refuse to let it die

[worn oar]

Look at me dude

[umbral brook]

Classic sid

[hazy helm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cute-close-to-camera-cats-gif-15896756

[worn oar]

Do I look like someone who speaks out of nothing haha?

[umbral brook]

Dutyer

[worn oar]

Colonel yes

[umbral brook]

How do I unbrainwash myself and join you guys

[worn oar]

Go worship your stone Manalitha

[hazy helm]

I have been advised by multiple ppl to not play LA
I have ignored multiple ppl and played LA1.3000
ran into a problem and had to restart to install LA1.3003
you will not stop me

[umbral brook]

No, not anymore, 5 years of worshipping is enough

[hazy helm]

I will mee the iluminati

[worn oar]

Leave the center and you'll start to regain your senses bit by bit! Then I'll send you some soldiers to escort you right to my HQ

[umbral brook]

Ok ill try, it will take much effort

[worn oar]

Okay, I would never advice you to not play lost alpha. I love the thing! And again I did engage in some work in it (for the extended not the original one)

I just need you to listen to me

[hazy helm]

dont worry I will play DC after base LA
theyre basically different games
aI will not play LADCE tho

[west harbor]

think before you join duty

not that i have anything against duty

[umbral brook]

What to think of?

[worn oar]

If you have good internet, just download the dc and start over it. You have no need to play the 1.3 cuz it's outdated and it will not really differ much with 1.4007

[west harbor]

what joining duty implies

[hazy helm]

its basically a new game with a new story
and I wanna see it,I want to see what was so bad about it and laugh
I refuse to let it be forgotten

I need to know it

[umbral brook]

Idk

[west harbor]

being shot at on sight by freedomers and sometimes bandits

[worn oar]

It's fun! I just wanted you to evade the boredom of replaying the same storyline again with minor changes. The basically removed few cutscenes that's it

[umbral brook]

I've literally been shot at on sight by literally everyone except zombified and homo sinners

[hazy helm]

thats basiaclly why Im not playing LADCE

[worn oar]

When you're ready, I'll give you the oath

[hazy helm]

and also bc the developers seem...interesting

[worn oar]

Extended is not for everyone. It's too annoying if you don't know what to do. Hard-core + save limitations 😅 nah you gotta play it when you know the story to come up with a good plan

[hazy helm]

I would honestly try playing it if I had the option to remove consumable animations

I cant probably do a mod bc of the devs own anti tamper something

[west harbor]

fair enough

[hazy helm]

yhea

[umbral brook]

I'm almost there, brother

[hazy helm]

Im ignoring it

[worn oar]

Dozwave team is technically offchart, as far as I heard a year ago, they are working on another mod.
Only one member is still active in moddb and one other from the Russian team (he did the extended all by himself)

[worn oar]

I mean, yeah! It's better to have the military and duty as allies than be Shot by everyone

[hazy helm]

I know all this,I talked with a repacker,thats who told me about what they did to stop ppl from cheating which,is really strange?
like sure you want ppl to play the game without cheating but,and it is your game,but like,its offline it doesnt really matter
and all those things essentially may stop me from changing the files to remove those animations I hate so much so for basically nothing,Im ignoring Extended

LA1.3 static lighting big mood tho

[worn oar]

I mean, nobody really can make me do something against my will! Haha if I want to cheat, I'll cheat. I can temper with Extended files too. And I actually did post a tweak add on back in the day to help ppl play the game.

[west harbor]

"the military as allies"

[hazy helm]

thing is,the developers did something to the code that if changed it will softlock the progress of your game,and the activation of this state is pretty vague

[worn oar]

I played 1.3, 1.4 and the Extended. I know all abt the game so I'm a big fatass spoiler guy 🤣 just press the button

[umbral brook]

Yeah, I agree

[hazy helm]

tried all the lighting methods,seems like Static is the best

all the others seemed to have lighting problems

[worn oar]

Duty is a paramilitary faction so yea 🤣 you free stalkers do not like the military but we don't have a problem with them

[west harbor]

i've heard stories of you guys fighting them though

[worn oar]

That's why I said DC, it did provide some good graphics after all.

[umbral brook]

@worn oar okay I left the center now, I am at the army warehouses

[hazy helm]

wdym
static lighting looks crazy good

[umbral brook]

A bunch of weed junkies everywhere

[hazy helm]

dont diss LA1.3

[worn oar]

Not really, not actual gun fights. We do not agree much but we don't shoot each other over it

[worn oar]

It does, but I like to barbecue my machine bro

[umbral brook]

I need help escort

[hazy helm]

Dezowave is busy rn with the Stalker2012 revival project

[worn oar]

Go to the farmhouse! Wait there, I'll send someone to pick you up

[umbral brook]

I'm at the farmhouse now

[worn oar]

Good I send someone. When he gets there, do what he says and come to my headquarters

[umbral brook]

Ok I'm at headquarters now

[worn oar]

Now. Repeat after me

I, a stalker known as yakas3,

swear to defend the goals and ideals of Duty.
To protect the Earth from the dangers of the Zone, to seek out and destroy anything it spawns within and beyond its borders.
To fight any nonconformists, be they individual stalkers or groups.
And to give my life in the name of justice and order on Earth!

[fluid abyss]

What kind of cringe initiation ritual did I walk into

[umbral brook]

**I, a stalker known as yakas,

swear to defend the goals and ideals of Duty.
To protect the Earth from the dangers of the Zone, to seek out and destroy anything it spawns within and beyond its borders.
To fight any nonconformists, be they individual stalkers or groups.
And to give my life in the name of justice and order on Earth!**

[fluid abyss]

Duty hypnosis?

[west harbor]

i got the french oath

[umbral brook]

Duty brainwash ritual

[fluid abyss]

This is why Freedom is cooler

[worn oar]

Welcome stalker, go get your duty suit from the armory now

[fluid abyss]

No chores, no brainwashing, and no morning wake up drills!

[west harbor]

nah tho, keep your monolith suit, it's way better

maybe paint it red and black or something

[umbral brook]

@worn oar am I allowed to change camo and patch on the suit

[worn oar]

Yes, just attach your duty patch on any suit you wish

[umbral brook]

Ok, sir

[worn oar]

You get your initiation money from General voronin, then go take whatever gun you wish to have and head to Yantr. I radioed the scientis to give you a psi helmet to resist any kind of monolith call.

You wear it whenever you are close to the center

[west harbor]

hey, i gotta go to yantar too, can i take the trip with you? im near the old mercenary settlement

the tower, i mean

[umbral brook]

Hell yeah

[umbral brook]

I can help

[worn oar]

We've been informed of your presence there. We have 2 duty outposts there. One protecting the bar and the other under the passage to the construction site. It's a safe area, so good luck

And ofc, never forget to take down any mutant you find along the way. Bring back trophies to get extra rewards. Your fellow stalker is welcome to visit us and take some reward if he does some of the hunting too

[delicate chasm]

Did anyone ever have a glitch with duplicated weapons on NPCs in SoC? Like where they drop their weapon and have the exact same one in the inventory still?

[hazy helm]

one or 2 times

cant confirm

ask SurDno

[timid lotus]

@umbral brook why you change your faction monolith?

[umbral brook]

Reunion can lead children to great places

[timid lotus]

the right option sir

[umbral brook]

💪

[timid lotus]

💪

[west harbor]

💪

[timid lotus]

[west harbor]

so, uh, where are we meeting?

cause i'd rather go to yantar with someone at my side

[umbral brook]

What faction are you???

Oh wait, you aren't in one

[umbral brook]

Mobile Lab

[west harbor]

ight

[gilded sentinel]

I felt a strong urge to play expedition

I don’t feel so good

[west harbor]

im here

[umbral brook]

Good, now I will accompany you

[west harbor]

cool

got something to do on the way?

[umbral brook]

Nope

[worn oar]

Mutant hunt

[umbral brook]

All I have seen is just sad zombified stalkers

I shed a tear everytime I see them and have to put them down

[worn oar]

Kill the boars and snorks around yantar! The egg heads will pay you well for it. Duty will give you extra rewards too if you bring back some trophies

[worn oar]

Zombified stalkers are long gone. Whatever remains is an eco of their strongest final emotions.

The only thing you can do is to put them down to not get more blood on their hands

[west harbor]

they're already lost to the zone

[umbral brook]

Such unfortunate lost poor souls

[worn oar]

Monolith victims

[gilded sentinel]

Nah just skill issue

[gilded sentinel]

How are monolith not the victims , they’re literally the same thing but luckier

[west harbor]

"luckier"

[worn oar]

All of them, every single soul scorched in the brain is on monolith hands

[west harbor]

i guess in a sense, since their brainwashing can be reversed

[worn oar]

Monoliths are basically weak willed. They gave up to the monolith call. Death was a better fate

[gilded sentinel]

Monolith seem the most strong willed , out of anyone - at least they actually beilive in what they fight for

[west harbor]

because brainwash

[worn oar]

It can, they just have to be away from the center when the signal is weak like strider and his crew did

[gilded sentinel]

It’s better to have brothers and fight for some cause , then just roam around

[west harbor]

not if it's for a fake cause like protecting a glowing rock

[worn oar]

We duty have cause too. The best of cause

[gilded sentinel]

Still a cause

[worn oar]

We seek to do the hardest job and people hate us for it

[west harbor]

why haven't we teamed up to destroy the monolith already? i mean, it's the one faction literally everybody else hates

[worn oar]

August does have a point, but the nature of the cause is fault itself. Doesn't make it any less of a cause tho

[west harbor]

even freedomers could team up with you duty guys on this one

[gilded sentinel]

Idk man , since devs alredy said they’d add a new group which is basically Duty but light , it seems that in the new game dutiers may become waaay more scummier then they already are

Quite worrisome

[west harbor]

plus it's been weaker than ever since strelok turned the brain scorcher off

[umbral brook]

I'll team with a freedomer as long as they don't smoke weed and bone mutants

[west harbor]

talking about mutants

[dry imp]

stalker

[west harbor]

watch out for bloodusuckers in the area

[gilded sentinel]

Stalkim

[dry imp]

stalkmi

[gilded sentinel]

Stalkem

[umbral brook]

drunker

[west harbor]

dunker

[gilded sentinel]

trunker

[west harbor]

trucker

[umbral brook]

Sucker

[west harbor]

AAAH

[gilded sentinel]

We weren’t talking about you

[umbral brook]

Mutants, mutants everywhere

[young estuary]

er

[umbral brook]

What is bro saying

[west harbor]

got him

that was a close one

[gilded sentinel]

You’ve got boarred on

[west harbor]

thanks for warning me

[umbral brook]

Boar deez nuts

[west harbor]

your colonel wanted a trophy, right?

[umbral brook]

Yes

[gilded sentinel]

Hol up they changed emojis ?

[west harbor]

do i take its tentacles things?

[worn oar]

Freedumb can not be an friend. They only seek fortune through artifact exporting to the outside world

[umbral brook]

Idk man

[west harbor]

almost done...

[worn oar]

Who said they are duty. I believe that they are another paramilitary faction. Origins are up to debate until we have their lore I mean

[gilded sentinel]

Well they are practically military like police in the zone

Which is what duty is exactly is

[west harbor]

dont they call themselves the Ward?

[gilded sentinel]

Yup

[west harbor]

anyway, i got those bloodsucker tentacles

let's get a move on, Y

[worn oar]

We still have no clue if they are ex military like duty or just other stalkers who have a military like vision

[umbral brook]

Yes

[gilded sentinel]

That still changes nothing

[worn oar]

They can be a faction created from ex duty and military too? But it doesn't make them us as they have another flag to fight for

[gilded sentinel]

They seem like duty , but more friendly, which means duty itself will probably become even more closeted faction

[west harbor]

nah

[worn oar]

They seem more monolith like than duty like tbh

[umbral brook]

Also here, take an MP133 as a reward for hunting mutants @west harbor

[west harbor]

eh, thanks

[worn oar]

Come, I have a groza for you stalkers

[gilded sentinel]

Mp153>mp133

[umbral brook]

A real giga chad respects any weapon

[west harbor]

i left my good gear in a stash near the freedom base in dark valley, so it's better than nothing

[gilded sentinel]

I don’t respect nato weapon

With few exceptions

[worn oar]

Freedumb have a nato arsenal

[umbral brook]

Depends on what weapon specific

[west harbor]

dont you guys have tunder s14s?