⭐┃nospoilers_general

[sleek tundra]

Born to Replay CoP*

[silver pagoda]

Just copy this: Hunt: Showdown is a multiplayer first-person shooter with two gameplay modes. In "Bounty Hunt", the player plays as a bounty hunter who hunts down one or two of the game's 4 bosses to claim a bounty. Players can work on their own or with up to two other players to find clues about the monster's location in the three maps.[5] Each map functions as a medium-sized open world filled with other environmental dangers and enemies such as Grunts, Hives, or Armoreds.[6] As the player collects more clues, the location of the monster's lair is narrowed down. There are four monsters, including the Butcher, the Spider, the Assassin, and the new boss, the Scrapbeak.[7] Players can use a variety of weapons ranging from shotguns to crossbows to defeat their enemies,[8] though the amount of ammo is scarce in this game, forcing players to rely on making their shots count.[9] They also have access to a large variety of tools such as traps and decoys.[10] Upon killing the monster, players will collect the bounty and need to survive until they can reach one of the extraction points. The locations of these exits are randomly placed in a map.[11] Collecting a bounty gives the player limited ability to see the approximate location of other nearby players, but also reveals the bounty-holder's location to all other players in the in-game map. Players can steal a bounty by killing a current bounty-holder, which is a core strategic component of the game. Each match supports up to 12 players.[12]

[spring abyss]

Too many text

[silver pagoda]

Ok ill summarize with Sylky as our main hero

[sleek tundra]

Anomaly player among us (murder mystery but the killer shows you stalker anomaly gameplay footage to kill you)

[spring abyss]

Based

[hazy helm]

next update,rescue hostages mode

[finite dragon]

man ghost recon wildlands is only 70 something gb and that game is BIG

same for Arma, and arma is only like 30 something

[hazy helm]

too big

[spring abyss]

As mode: kill the gopnik vip

[sleek tundra]

Nethack is 10 megabytes and its bigger

Skyrim is much bigger than both games not including nethack and its under 10 gigabytes

[silver pagoda]

Sylky spawns in map of 12 people, he can have 1 or 2 friends with him (sylky you have friends right?)
Sylky needs to kill one or both Bosses (can be anomalous areas with x goals set) and get out alive
Sylky does the objective, but enemies know the general area of the said objective
Sylky picks up important goal item, but other players come to him (or they could not, they would choose to go the other goal)
Sylky fights hard to kill his enemy players
Sylky wins and gets to the extraction

[spring abyss]

Too many text

[silver pagoda]

oh come on man i made u the protagonist

why u have to be like that

[spring abyss]

No, i want to be a npc with cool dialogues

[sleek tundra]

You're forcing the protagonist to read

[hazy helm]

@finite dragon if you watn I can make my rant about the decadence of tom calncys games and Ghost Recon series and how despite Wildlands being made by passionate ppl that obv cared for Ghost Recon and knew what it was supposed to be it was ruined by Ubisoft and their blueprint

[silver pagoda]

Sylky is mean and has no friends he got PTSD from first sentence

[hazy helm]

but yhea,if you compress and clean Wildlands up I bet you could save about 10-15gb,20 if youre super optimized

[finite dragon]

don't worry

I have already heard everything you would probably rant about

And i agree

[spring abyss]

R6 died on 3, but i still love vegas 1&2 and lockdown

[hazy helm]

thank you,I didnt want to get sad today

[silver pagoda]

STALKER 2 can be much less in gigabytes if you remove all the anomaly haters from the files

[spring abyss]

75gbs of the game are just mole unused models

[worthy lagoon]

S2 is SP based though

[finite dragon]

if you ignore the story and bugs newer tom clancy games can be fun

As long as they are singleplayer or atleast PvE multiplayer because if not you will hate it

[silver pagoda]

Exactly, SP would not suffer. Hunt has 3 maps in total (with extreme detail) does not even need to be constantly updated with sh*t

[hazy helm]

actually I bet you could compess Wildlands to be only 40 easely

[spring abyss]

I can't ignore it bc theres a game in the bug

[worthy lagoon]

By that i mean i doubt someone will actually care

[modern cove]

@silver pagoda bro stop it you are making me want to spend money on buying games

I need to save up for stalker 2 preorder

[finite dragon]

2 of the bugs i remember of wildlands were that

if you equiped the hoodie (with no helmet so the hood would be on) and opened camera mode the hood would mess up

and other one was with the backpack that made you invisible when crouched (you can get it after the splinter cell crossover mission) the teeth and eyes would not become invisible so it looked creepy as hell

[silver pagoda]

MP experiences make more people care than SP, This false arguement of a game ''being primarily SP'' so MP would not attract attention is the most idiotic thing. I have seen this first hand with GTA and how GTAO absolutely destroyed single player. But then again, GTAO is actually a single player experience made into MP, with unique stories, heists, events and progression.

[spring abyss]

Literally unplayable

[silver pagoda]

What game bruv?

[worthy lagoon]

GTA is not STALKER though

[modern cove]

Hunt showdown

[spring abyss]

Wtf dude don't you see stalker community on the last 10 years?

[finite dragon]

also since the pouches on harnesses or vests change depending on the weapon type you would have for example a rifle caliber SMG but still have pistol caliber SMG pouches

[silver pagoda]

GTA has a fanbase, and so does STALKER. People always want to experience certain worlds in MP, and STALKER would fit this perfectly, without making cheap Co-op.

[spring abyss]

Basic multipler that no one cares: everyone loves the sp and care to expand it

[worthy lagoon]

S2 will not have coop

[hazy helm]

see the thing is Stalkers audience is single player focused,and multiplayer is seen as a thing tahts only there to sell newer gamers that dont yet know stlaker

[silver pagoda]

co-op and cheap online modes are garbage, I fully agree with you all, i am saying something different

[dry imp]

i completely disagree. multiplayer is popular but it doesn't completely disregard the base singe player

[silver pagoda]

That if the game does a good job on making someone unique multiplayer (not necessarily co-op) then it would have success

[hazy helm]

I think coop is fine if the game was created around being coop you know,I dont need every single game to be coop but I can understand why ppl would want it

[worthy lagoon]

Only thing we care about is having a good SP game

[spring abyss]

👍

[silver pagoda]

in the case of GTA yes, because they are different and MP is actually DESIGNED for MP. Take Dying light 2 for example, the co-op is garbage

[hazy helm]

but I also respect the decision GSC's decision on focusing solely on SP experience instead of making a coop side mode that would suck

[silver pagoda]

It literally makes SP feel like trash, because all it does is enemies to be sponges and removes any kind of 'horror' from the game

[silver pagoda]

100% correct, Techland did that with Dying light 2 and it sucks

[dry imp]

i disagree with the GTA example. the multiplayer was tacked on by using the story game's map. the singplayer is incredibly important and the community doesn't ignore it or something

[finite dragon]

also guys since i have not gotten proper sleep in a week i had an idea at 4 AM last night

Would STALKER work as a DnD campaign?

[silver pagoda]

My choice of words was wrong, I meant in popularity. Not that it makes the game irrelevant in its SP counterpart

[dry imp]

i had this same idea. you'd have to design mechanics for the shooting and artefacts and stuff

[hazy helm]

no
GURPS?yes

[spring abyss]

Fallout oblivion lost

[hazy helm]

DnD and Pathfinder are designed and optimised for fantasy and magic and taht kind of stuff
GURPS let you make your homebrews a lot more easely

[finite dragon]

i mean yeah
since it is avideogame the mechanics are designed around that, adapting it to DnD would take a lot of rearrenging

[finite dragon]

also this too

[sand fiber]

stalker

[spring abyss]

Based

[hazy helm]

stlaker is staler

[silver pagoda]

Question is, do we really care if Stalker has some dumb TDM mode? The game is known is for being complex and deep in both lore and mechanics. I think a unique mode would translate to MP pretty well. Does eating/drinking matters in TDM? No, how do you obtain artifacts in MP? Do you play with CSGO rounds and spend money? These things dont make sense to me

[finite dragon]

acechador

[hazy helm]

maybe I'll learn how to write in 3 years

[finite dragon]

I have never seen someone playing on STALKER multiplayer tdm

[worthy lagoon]

TDM is cool

[spring abyss]

I care i like the good old tdm with homies, mercs vs freedom

[worthy lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[finite dragon]

not saying this in a bad way btw i have actually never seen a full server

[worthy lagoon]

This time with more factions, like if you change map the factions changes

[spring abyss]

I did never understand why the tdm is not duty vs freedom

[silver pagoda]

Regardless if you like MP or not, you still pay a game that will get MP, and it should be up to standards and deeper than dumb TDM mode which by now is outdated as hell tbh, my opinion anyway

[hazy helm]

you dont rreally eat in MP Stalker,and for artifacts they would randomly spawn on random points throught the map and give you a buff if you picked them up

[worthy lagoon]

Because originally it started in the Warehouses

Actually idk

[spring abyss]

[worthy lagoon]

It could've been Monolith VS Freedom too

[spring abyss]

Monolith vs military

I hope the tdms got a randomizer faction in each match, big maps (not biiig, just like more detailed with places to hide and do funny stuff) and more loadouts

[finite summit]

🆚

btw why do we have 2 different emojis for scientists?

[spring abyss]

4k fulld hd 60hz

unused stuff 144p trow on trash

[worthy lagoon]

Uh, that's new, we require the guidance of @glossy blade

[spring abyss]

Take out one of these and put some merc stiker

[finite summit]

Ironically enough it's the other way arround
#bots message
#bots message

[glossy blade]

they have different names

eco smile and science smile

[spring abyss]

[dry imp]

hello mol1t

[glossy blade]

hello Tampico

[vernal magnet]

Stalker 2 is getting its own standalone multilayer post single player launch

[vernal magnet]

It's a separate client alltogether so i don't see any issue

[dry imp]

its probably going to be a remake/modernization of the original multiplayer which im genuinely excited for because it sounds fun

[vernal magnet]

Yea OG multi was fun

[dry imp]

they're probably gonna have all the normal gamemodes like FFA and TDm, but i think some sort of elimination gamemode could be cool

idk how they would do it, though. a bomb defusal wouldn't make much sense imo

[silver pagoda]

Its not standalone AFAIK, its just a free update to the base game

[dry imp]

its standalone in the sense it doesn't interact with the sp. which i guess isnt standalone at all

standalone implies a separate install

[hazy helm]

it would be cool if they said suck it to matchmaking and brought back the old system or custom and community servers

based you might say

[dry imp]

im okay with matchmaking but community and custom servers would be very nice

like if they just added a server browser and custom private games for your friends

modded servers would be fun, if they allow that much customization

[hazy helm]

yhea matchmaking would be a necessity if what sektoras wanted was actually true

[silver pagoda]

There are calling cards (like COD) in the pre orders, so that means there is multiplayer progression for sure, or achievement based maybe

[dry imp]

so that probably means custom loadouts and weapon unlocks

[hazy helm]

thing is you can have progression and achivement based multiplayer while still retaining the community driven aspect of old games

one does not disprove the other,but,a mode like Hunt would only be able to be built with Matchmaking,otherwise youd have to code AI to replace players

[dry imp]

yeah either have it carry over into those server or have custom server have everything unlocked

[hazy helm]

gamemodes like Hunt are at their best when the lobbies are full,thus matchmaking is a necessity

[dry imp]

a hunt showdown like gamemode could be cool i guess

but maybe not killing a creature as the objective. maybe like looting a stash

[hazy helm]

Im not against it but I am really confused on how it would play out if it was a gamemode only

[silver pagoda]

This is absolutely correct, I think STALKER could pull it off easily. People always love games like this in setting, modern weaponry etc. But you are correct, some times in Hunt where I play very late, matchmaking does not match me with full lobby, this is definitely less exciting and harder simultaneously because less people = more direct fights instead of planning, flanking, third partying etc.

[hazy helm]

yhea like I said,for BR's and BR forks and based modes matchmaking is essential to how they work and function,and Im not very fond of Matchmaking tbh

[silver pagoda]

Unpopular opinion: I prefer matchmaking in purely pvp games

[hazy helm]

I am prefer the community driven PVP games of yore that are being pahsed out with matchmaking and SBMMs
but I dont see a problem if Matchmaking is implemented solely for one or 2 gamemodes

[dry imp]

i mean matchmaking just makes sense imo. you click button and it matches you into a lobby. but they should have a separate server browser for community and custom servers

[silver pagoda]

Community servers end up making the population scarce at some point

Customizable experiences are always good but I am not sure about a game that has a certain progression

[dry imp]

just have it carry over or let custom servers decide

[hazy helm]

it all depends on what kind of experience S2MP will be,and all we do is speculate about what it is without any clear end

[silver pagoda]

big true, yeah

[hazy helm]

but I am ok with matchmaking if they dont do the usual of breaking lobbies and actively avoiding players connecting and talking with each other that many games nowadays do

I dunno man

some of my fav and most memorable moments were only possible due to player interection

[vernal magnet]

It was to be standalone. Back during the NFT debacle that was the silver lining that allowed it to exist. They said stalker2 would never have micro transactions or NFTs of any kind but the planned multi-player would be a separate client not bound to that rule

[silver pagoda]

Multiplayer mode, that will be added soon after release as a free update

This is from their steam page, it even says it there

[dry imp]

idk what you mean almost every matchmaking multiplayer has voice chat and/or text chat

[silver pagoda]

This happens because of SBMM. CoD does this aggressively, since MMR changes each match, usually lobbies dont break

This is a result of basic game modes of TDM/DM. Since in those modes, you respawn. So the chances are of someone being 3 times better to absolutely decimate you in each fight. Thats because TDM and DM do not allow 'planning' or thinking, they are just reaction based. Hence the reason I ask of a deeper, slower mode. Because regardless of the fact if people like Tarkov or Hunt (I dislike Tarkov) a player with worse aim can still win if he has positioning and brains.

[dry imp]

an elimination game mode of some sort could work

but again idk what it would be

[silver pagoda]

There's a lot they can do with MP regarding freedom, we could be competing for artifacts in a more 'open' map. Or maybe artifacts are trapped in some sort of PvE environment and then people could come, PvP happens etc. Literally the ideas exist. I just think TDM/DM would not do justice, but then again different opinions

[dry imp]

wha

what did that say

[spring abyss]

Too many text I will not read that

[spring abyss]

Whe should have a custom tdm mode based on capture the flag but instead should be a artifact and you need to find it with a detector and bring it to your base to make point, but theres only one anomaly point in the middle of the map and the number of players with detectors is limited so some players needs to protect them while they search for artifacts

We can call that the tampico artifact mode

[dry imp]

oh yeah its like a super rare artefact that two factions are fighting over

also they could do an elimination gamemode where you have to secure a stash or something

or even a defusal gamemode where a faction is trying to blow up another faction's supply cache or even a military supply cache. but thats not very creative

[fierce inlet]

hey, I'm trying to make a gamedata in stalker cop, I changed it to true and still no

[spring abyss]

No, like various artifacts, some of them rare and some cummon to give differents amounts of points

[spring abyss]

You need to unpack

[fierce inlet]

how to unpack ?

[spring abyss]

You are trying to create new mods?

Cop is not stalker soc once you able the gamedata you don't need to magically make a folder appear

[fierce inlet]

I trying to add mods

[spring abyss]

Just create a folder called gamedata and put the mods there

[hazy helm]

for CoP you just drop the files into the folder and run the game

[fierce inlet]

my first time dealing with mods in stalker

and files

[silver pagoda]

Guys, any texture mods for Gunslinger? been trying to find some but all lead to google drives that are 404

[spring abyss]

Why? Gunslinger already got absolutely nature and atmosfear* as options in the installation exe

[silver pagoda]

Would rather have something like misery or dark signal (darker looking mods), but cant find anything at all

[spring abyss]

Then just select dead threes in the absolutely nature installation

[hazy helm]

You'd maybe want to make your own ENB

[fierce inlet]

do you know any mod that adds gun mounts, flasks, etc ?

[hazy helm]

Flask?

[spring abyss]

Estus flask
Souls player 100% confirmed ban him

[fierce inlet]

I'm talking about weapon modifiers

[spring abyss]

Gunslinger

Anomaly too, but Anomaly is trash

[fierce inlet]

thx broo!!!

[hazy helm]

how are you supposed to put a flask in a picatinny rail...

[spring abyss]

Cs vanilla got laser sights, flashlight attachment and knife attachment?

Gunslinger is great is just too unbalanced

[hazy helm]

my brain is too wee wee wee smol

[spring abyss]

Did you ever played gunslinger?

That's it

I'm done here
Bolts on you

[patent pewter]

Me when a goth girl tells me to do something

[hazy helm]

AlternativA

Hehehehehehe

[spring abyss]

Tell him to play reborn hehehehe

[nimble cipher]

biglob#0423 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

biglob#0423 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[hazy helm]

smite him down wolf

[scenic phoenix]

Hii everyone

[spring abyss]

Sup

[sleek tundra]

NLC 7

Trash try not to mention NLC challenge (difficulty: nightmare)

[spring abyss]

NO, NOOOO

[sleek tundra]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YES

[nimble cipher]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[spring abyss]

Play cocK, i let you enter jn the test group

[spring abyss]

👎

[sleek tundra]

Live controller reaction?

[spring abyss]

You will be a rat lab

[sleek tundra]

You have to pay to do that, yes

[spring abyss]

And will got a free npc

[sleek tundra]

Around 2 jellyfish artifacts

[spring abyss]

Actually yes and watch me create new models

https://youtu.be/xpejDpJmL_g
Seva gopnik

Yep

Dm me to enter in the tesr group

[vernal magnet]

Ultra Based

[vernal magnet]

What do you use to make models? Maya? Would you know anything about how I could pose the game models on a green screen backdrop for videos? Been trying to figure it out

[spring abyss]

I use basic blender

[sleek tundra]

CRINGE

[spring abyss]

There's a plugin for the xray engine where you can import stalker objects

Like levels, models and stuff

[vernal magnet]

No kidding? Got a link bro? I've been digging into this stuff for a bit

[spring abyss]

I mean, plugin for blender where you can import stuff from the xray

[vernal magnet]

I tried using Gmod for a bunch of stuff but it doesn't feel the same as xray

[spring abyss]

Dm me and i send you some links with tutorials

But it's all on russian

[finite dragon]

I sometimes click on the russian channels and idk what I expect other than gibberish

I can speak and understand a fair bit of russian but im too lazy to turn my brain on and understand Cyrillic

[spring abyss]

💀

[finite dragon]

Im too lazy to read anything other than English french and spanish

Its late i aint turning my brain back on for languages im not completely fluent in. Too much effort

@pallid dune im trying to turn my brain on long enough to type “your mother” in the russian chat

Oh yea thats pretty much my experience when i join russian servers

[finite dragon]

Hi

Can sm help

[dry imp]

perhaps

if its related to anomaly, no

[sand condor]

i regret seeing the velma trailer

[dry imp]

the what

[sand condor]

its so bad in every way

imagine you seen a cartoon but bastized

[dry imp]

im curious but also afraid

[sand condor]

i highly suggest you be afraid

[finite dragon]

it is

I will say it
See if u can help

[dry imp]

what

[hazy helm]

he'll laugh at you

[sand condor]

why do we need hbo max paramount netflix and amazon

[dry imp]

as you do

[finite dragon]

Look it's m first time on diacord

[hazy helm]

you dont,you become a pirate

[sand condor]

so many sub for something shit

[finite dragon]

And it's for this issue that I got

[dry imp]

pirating time

[sand condor]

this is how you get piracy

[finite dragon]

And I donnu w t hell t do

[hazy helm]

check dms

[sand condor]

why would i

[dry imp]

send me too

[sand condor]

and how

[summer whale]

I never preordered it before. I was waiting until closer to the date to do it. I’m talking about the new ones. Says unavailable on the Xbox store.

[tender torrent]

you have to wait until Microsoft has a new predefined date for it to relaunch pre-orders on Microsoft Store Xbox

[summer whale]

😭😭😭

[tender torrent]

Everyone is concerned don't worry

[supple bay]

Why would you ever pre-order anything??

They're not going to run out of digital copies bro every time you pre order a game theres about a 25% chance you are throwing your money in the toilet

[finite dragon]

Yes but You Just do It if a Game is important to you.

You want to be one of the first who experience it.

And also helping GSC

[supple bay]

Just play it one day after it comes out to see if it is good

[finite dragon]

No thank you.

[supple bay]

Buying after release is better too because they fix bugs in a day one patch so you get a better experience

[cosmic shell]

Is it possible to pre-order the physical collector's copy on amazon?

[finite dragon]

No

There will be nothing physical I guess.

[cosmic shell]

I found in Amazon. Ship by Amazon.

[finite dragon]

Kk

[finite dragon]

im too lazy

[finite summit]

im too

[finite dragon]

im

[quaint socket]

‎

[dry imp]

exactly i would wait for a release date even if you wanted to

[dry imp]

no, its not available yet they will have it eventually. probably when the game gets a real release date

[worthy lagoon]

Depends on the country, #🖤┃s2-pre-order

[worthy lagoon]

???

[dry imp]

spreading misinformation

stalker 2 will have NO physical preorders!! they HATE the west DOWN with the west

[finite dragon]

also it will focus on multiplayer coop more so than a single player campaign

will be tarkov-esque guaranteed or your money back

[supple bay]

how to win stalker ez:

step 1 get VSS Vintorez
step 2 click heads
step 3 profit

[delicate chasm]

boring

all you need is a sawn-off

[dry imp]

trve.

[finite dragon]

Singleplayer will be more like Anomaly but with less plot

[delicate chasm]

stop pulling things out of your ass

we literally know nothing about how the gameplay will be except a few minor elements

[dry imp]

the misinformation is working

[finite dragon]

did you not see my post above it bruh

lol or @dry imp's its a joke (real)

[delicate chasm]

no

[dry imp]

actually we do they released a 15 minute gameplay video

[delicate chasm]

Doesn't work on me

[dry imp]

it worked a second ago

[delicate chasm]

Did it?

[dry imp]

i think it did

[delicate chasm]

Prove it

[dry imp]

i dont have proof

[delicate chasm]

valid

[dry imp]

[delicate chasm]

if you want to misinform people, just tell the russians there will be russian voice over and insist heavily on it

[dry imp]

stalker 2 will have a leveling skill system

[finite summit]

will it?

[dry imp]

yeah it was showm in the 15 minute gameplay video

[delicate chasm]

it will be irl, you're gonna level your comprehension of the game

[finite summit]

Stalker mobile did have skill system back in 2007

so I guess it somewhat goes

[dry imp]

stalker 2 will be a remake of that

that game is truly their original vision

[finite dragon]

this was said in the pc gamer article

[dry imp]

yes

[delicate chasm]

btw bloodsucker was removed because they couldn't get the animations right

[finite dragon]

tarkov-esque coop multiplayer and anomaly-esque stalker mobile remake singleplayer

[dry imp]

SCoins will be the currency of the multiplayer

[finite summit]

tbh when the very first trailer dropped I kinda thought that the game would be a remake/reboot of SoC and the locations in the trailer are revamped versions of locations from SoC

[dry imp]

i mean it's technically a direct sequel to SoC

[finite dragon]

jokes aside makes sense they would show those to get fans excited, also the zone is still the zone, should have the same places

[dry imp]

yeah they should show more of the actual game though

[delicate chasm]

trilogy Zone was a mish-mash of god knows what, just a post-soviet radioactive fever dream

[finite summit]

isn't that what the sequel is?

[delicate chasm]

in what sense?

[finite dragon]

I secretly kind of like it when things are kept hush and secretive (if it's good).. its cool to surprise people and a good style if you pull it off but I get why people dont like it

[finite summit]

idk. In what sense is it god knows what, just a post-soviet radioactive fever dream?

[dry imp]

i made the stalker mobile game

[delicate chasm]

in a sense that it's kind of an impression of the real Zone, but not really geographically accurate, which is what they're trying to do this time

[delicate chasm]

Hi Griga

[dry imp]

hello, son

[finite summit]

Yeah well they did try to make a geographically accurate Pripyat in CoP and as for me it felt really uncomfortable to traverse

[delicate chasm]

is it supposed to be comfortable?

[dry imp]

comfy and snuggly :3

[delicate chasm]

^_^

[finite summit]

No I mean that it had quite a lot of vast empty spaces between points of interest

[delicate chasm]

ah, well, that's another issue, doesn't really pertain much to geography. I agree that it was empty, much like the rest of the game

[finite dragon]

Is Pripyat pretty accurate in CoP?

[finite summit]

like 80-90% accurate

[delicate chasm]

it's just one district but yeah it's relatively accurate

[finite dragon]

that's chill, it's honestly eerie AF. by far the scariest outside area in the zone

[dry imp]

i made pripyat

[finite dragon]

when its dark out and raining it gets me with the soundtrack

[delicate chasm]

coulda been scarier if they did everything they wanted to

[delicate chasm]

you f'd up bro, where's my Pripyat Terror

[dry imp]

i forgor

[delicate chasm]

smh

[worthy lagoon]

That's the issue with big maps and non level maps, issue which S2 will have too

Sadly

I am an enjoyer of levels like in SOC

Small but good

[frail spire]

another useless announcement

[supple bay]

is Clear Sky (the game) good? compared to shadow of chernobyl

[quaint brook]

Clear Sky it's my favourite 🥲

[supple bay]

Why

[quaint brook]

In comparison to the first one It's more polished, storywise as well

Played all of'em many times over... Clear sky enjoyed the most.

[supple bay]

Thats really saying something because in the first one I never crashed once and encountered about 5 bugs in a playthrough around 40 hours

[spring abyss]

me too bro 👍

[supple bay]

And its only 10 dollars. why so cheap?

[quaint brook]

Yea, like everything...sometimes crashes, not abiggie.

[quaint brook]

Rather ancient game, very much classic 😎

[supple bay]

Shadow of Chernobyl was 20 dollars but clear sky is younger and cheaper?

[quaint brook]

Still got all the original cd-rom's and dvd's 🤓

As far as I recall... there was a bundle deal not so long ago... on Steam

[supple bay]

I added all the prices up the bundle is not cheaper than buying each game separately

[quaint brook]

All three titles for like a few bucks, really worth it...

Yea

Sometimes is messed up, the whole Steam shop thing

[supple bay]

Wait it is cheaper but only by 10 dollars

Eh 10 dollars not that much + I wanna give GSC my money

[quaint brook]

10 dollars man

I've bought all three on steam regardless... Cant run the original ones on windows 10 🤣

Need an emulators and stuff... easier just buy...

[supple bay]

Getting 3 great games for 40 dollars is a bargain because usually one great game costs 40 dollars

It baffles me that people will shill out 70 dollars for one bad cod game which will be replaced in 1-2 years

[quaint brook]

Well yea, you could possibly get it even cheaper as I've said before... just hunt it down... like a Bloodsucker 🤣

[supple bay]

Ik but 40 dollars is cheap enough for me because I like the games so much

[quaint brook]

Countless hours of amazing story, atmosphere and mechanics

Well, If you never played it, buy now !

[supple bay]

Ik but its late for me right now at 10:00 PM. I will buy it tomorrow so that I can play it the whole day on Saturday

Actually I will buy it and download it now to be ready for tomorrow

[quaint brook]

You'll play it for weeks...when you start it, guaranteed

[supple bay]

I beat SHoC in only about a week so idk

[quaint brook]

It's 4 am at where I am 🤓

[supple bay]

I actually liked playing it on Veteran difficulty it felt very balanced and tbh I couldnt imagine clearing the CNPP on master that would be total bs

The VSS Vintorez is the best gun. I basically ditched my G36

[quaint brook]

Yea, VSS my fav too, wiyh armor piercing rounds

[supple bay]

You dont even need AP. Headshots are an instant kill even on enemies with exosuits at least on Veteran difficulty. I especially enjoy using it in CQC because its extremely satisfying to pop heads with a sniper at near point blank range

• it comes with a scope which is massive

[quaint brook]

My man 😎

[supple bay]

Honestly getting a weapon with a scope is the single best thing you can do in ShoC. I wouldnt have been able to clear any area past Bar without a scoped rifle

[quaint brook]

Yes, It makes everything much easier

[supple bay]

I think ive decided that you need a scoped AK-74 until you can get a G36 and then when you get the VSS switch to that

[quaint brook]

Right on ! Gonna crash now, good to talk to you. Have a blast and don't forget to pre-order the new one too

[supple bay]

im not pre ordering brah

[quaint brook]

I am 😎

[supple bay]

😎

[quaint brook]

But normally, i'm not..

Gotta support the devs, been waiting for this literally years ! Almost lost the hope...

[supple bay]

Yeah

[finite dragon]

Think it's funny how many people want coop. I'm playing CoP for the first time and have to go back to x8 and im like actually scared lol, if I was with 10 people voice spamming it would kill the vibe 100%

[supple bay]

Co-op doesnt fit with Stalker. I would rather go for a companion system where companions can die permanently, but you can always recruit more (for a price)

[finite dragon]

it'd be cool if there was a mod or something and could have some jank fun but yeah not in the main game. i think it's cool to be alone (staLker)

[supple bay]

Yeah I agree. Though I think it would be cool if you could become a squad leader in the faction you join by working your way up and lead a squad for special missions and attacks on enemy bases

[finite dragon]

yeah I guess that's the CS stuff, which I enjoyed and thought was a good idea but kind of deviates from the sci fi survival horror scary time aspects of SoC and CoP I prefer

[supple bay]

Honestly I like the faction war stuff as its pretty interesting to learn about why everyone wants to kill each other over their different goals and their opinions on how the Zone should be treated or utilized

[finite dragon]

Yeah I liked it too when I was playing it but now that I'm in CoP I remember kind of preferring the other elements of the game more. CS was the least scary / sci-fi / plot driven (other than faction world building which is cool). Almost think it should be a DLC or like a freeplay thing after the game (just riffing dont shoot me). just think its hard to merge a horror survival sci fi game and a strategy war type thing

[supple bay]

The part I think is most interesting is how it shows that people will always find reasons and ways to fight each other, even in the most inhospitable of worlds. That instead of coming together to survive they split into tribes to fight each other as well as the Zone

[finite dragon]

This is when I start ranting about capitalism and imperialism

[supple bay]

Honestly I like that part of the story because I feel it has deep connections with the real world in how no matter what situation we find ourselves in, war will never cease

[finite dragon]

but those aside I guess there would be fighting anyway because its a pretty crazy situation I suppose

[supple bay]

I like viewing games like Stalker not as being about the Zone, but as being about the people in the Zone and how they interact with it

Also about people outside of the Zone and how they interact with the zone too

[finite dragon]

I mean it's people that made the zone what it was, them kooky scientists

[supple bay]

I know I know

[spring abyss]

Man i got that on my mod

Junky food, biscuits, and a lot of new consumables

But not in the warfare version

Also @finite dragon I'm uploading the warfare outdated beta today, you can play it without fear, theres no campaign so no spoilers

[finite dragon]

bleh I just need to finish CoP and im about to leave for two weeks, i should do it now

[spring abyss]

It's a freeplay mod about faction wars with my teaks your main objective is to conquer to zone

[finite dragon]

ill dl it when you post it

[spring abyss]

I will add war sidequests with cool rewards later and new npcs

[finite dragon]

sounds fun i will peep

[sinful grail]

So would Stalker actually be the right terminology if someone was looting and stuff in or by Chernobyl like the name actually exists?

[finite dragon]

It's from a book about a zone that wasn't CNPP was an alien thing. STALKER game universe was inspired from that and did its own take

there was a great movie called Stalker too based on it in 1979, both have a sci fi industrial vibe so CNPP post ussr fits very well

[sinful grail]

Ah gotcha the reason I asked is because I saw what S.T.A.L.K.E.R meaner and it got me thinking is that what they called people in or around Chernobyl ?

[finite dragon]

nah it means the bruhs looking to loot mysterious anomalous stuff in the zone in the book and then game

[sinful grail]

I gotta get my hands on these books

[finite dragon]

Roadside Picnic

is the book and the movie if you're down for some bleak artsy soviet sci fi its very good is just stalker from 1979

[sleek tundra]

The movie and book were a better stalker than stalker

Games have been significantly dumbed down to appeal to the modern gamer

And their atmosphere is, unpopular crappy opinion incoming, mediocre

I never understood how or why people praise it so much

[rose drift]

I am in lab X18, it is so scary

Wish me luck lads

[sleek tundra]

No need, it's lab x18

I'd just wish you weren't dumb, since anyone can beat it without a guide

[rose drift]

I think I heard a controller

[rose drift]

Yeah I’ve already gotten the documents

[sleek tundra]

No Controller here

[rose drift]

Oh thank god

[finite dragon]

ive been putting off going to x8 in cop, i went once but didn't do that one assassination quest first and want to get all the documents

the underground spots get me

[rose drift]

Yeah, luckily I’ve finally made it out . Now the military is on my ass

[ancient raft]

I wanna preorder the game BUT there is no shop that has the physical offer in my country not even in the #🖤┃s2-pre-order channel. And I'm from EU. Which of the sites are trustworthy the most ? Or all of them are the same?

[wanton trail]

Trust the ones that are on the official page or wait for release instead of pre

[ancient raft]

Ok ok

So gamelegends site is legit?

[wanton trail]

Epic games and steam is what shows on the site for me

[finite dragon]

gamelegends is legit its whats in #🖤┃s2-pre-order and this is an official discord

[cosmic shell]

if anyone wants to add me on steam, my friend code is 10510350. Good hunting STALKERS!

[silver pagoda]

Died in an anomaly
Shot by loners
Found with a stone around his neck 🪦
Thrown off a cliff 😭
Torn apart by dogs 🐩

[sleek tundra]

Downloaded anomaly

[silver pagoda]

Welcome to fetch quest simulator still great mod

[sleek tundra]

The only good thing about the mod is the gunplay and even that isn't good because the animations range from fine to crap

Besides, the vast majority of mods have good gunplay by default so this isn't even a revolutionary achievement

[silver pagoda]

Try out Dark signal, its meant to be both story and warfare, I was pretty surprised by it

[finite dragon]

here we go i don't think i saw a proper anomaly debate today

[silver pagoda]

If you want really, really grounded gameplay EFP is up the alley

I love EFP but man its grindy like holy fk

[sleek tundra]

That's just gunplay, not gameplay

I want to fix artifacts, I want mutants to be threatening using cool new attacks instead of bloated HP

[silver pagoda]

New attacks for a mod team is too hard, animating and coding the frames correctly is a pain, literally the hardest to do in a mod

[sleek tundra]

If I wanted escape to tarkov I would've downloaded the game or, even better, not bothered. I want something that truly captures the feeling of stalker or at least what Roadside Picnic and the stalker movie tried to do

[silver pagoda]

You have different tastes, I like the struggle for survival in the zone

[sleek tundra]

The existence of virtually any mod based on NS says otherwise

[sleek tundra]

No I don't, I also like hardcore gameplay, when done right

[silver pagoda]

Mate, have you ever tried animating or coding attacks or new animations? Rigging? Because the mods exist that does not mean its easy

[sleek tundra]

Mods like Anomaly think that making everything expensive and grindy is good gameplay, not smart difficulty choices

[sleek tundra]

It kind of is, you don't have to make new mutant attack animations. Pseduogiant could make a scream yo paralyse you, for example

[worthy lagoon]

BaS modders on their way to steal almost every single EFT gun animation

And models

[silver pagoda]

You can steal generic first person hand animations, animating a unique enemy skeleton of a certain game is a different story

[sleek tundra]

Same with that drinking animation mod

[sleek tundra]

Again, animations aren't mandatory since NLC doesn't use them

[silver pagoda]

No animations on a creature attack is plain stupid lmao

[worthy lagoon]

That's not particularly true, since animations can be exported and imported

[sleek tundra]

With new attacks I don't mean melee swing animations, but rather special attacks like boars generating radiation, dogs giving mild psy effects, etc

[worthy lagoon]

For gun animations

[sleek tundra]

Why? Multiple games do that

[silver pagoda]

Like?

[sleek tundra]

NS, NLC, OP 2.2

Deus ex

Multiple games, animations are not mandatory, you can reuse old animations if you want but it wouldn't matter

[silver pagoda]

Nah it matters for presentation, give me a mod where an enemy T-poses an attack and its a good uninstallation reason

Also deus ex is like 90s game, give me a break, play mankind divided

[sleek tundra]

That's not the animation that I'm talking about

[sleek tundra]

The game with an arguably worse gameplay that craps on combat playstyles? No thank you

No animation =/= tpose

It could also mean it's reusing the same animation as a vanilla attack

[silver pagoda]

Mankind divided craps on combat playstyles? Lmao bro, I have finished MD since deus ex is one of my top 5 favourite franchises. I have finished the game stealthily, diplomacy without kills, sniper, full on gunslinging, you have no idea wtf you on about

[sleek tundra]

Like i said, the existence of NLC's mutant new attacks and gameplay effects - a mod with virtually no budget compared to the popular modpacks that recipe donations

[silver pagoda]

Coding a new unanimated attack is easy, I said about animating, read what I write

I dont debate if its easy to implement a new attack, I said proper representation of it with actual animation

[sleek tundra]

The game literally rewards you less for going lethal combat compared to nonlethal stealth, your point is invalid. Me completing a game with a crappy weapon doesn't mean it's viable

[worthy lagoon]

Animating from the scratch is not

[sleek tundra]

Or you know, different sound and attack behavior

[silver pagoda]

A mod team would not mo-cap, thats what I debate and how presentation matters

[sleek tundra]

Besides, not every single attack needs a new epic animation

[silver pagoda]

MD is probably one of the free-form immersive sims out there, arguably more than Dishonored, your opinions are literally invalid

[finite dragon]

damn some gaslighting going down

[worthy lagoon]

Then go and start animating, at least they didn't used other assets

Unlike some mods

[sleek tundra]

You said my opinion is invalid without stating why or trying to counter my previous point, which is how the game rewards stealth a lot more than combat objectively by just looking at xp rewards

[silver pagoda]

Who cares if they used assets, they dont make money off of it and they're miles better than vanilla. My only gripe with anomaly-esque mods is that they dont use the base game and GSC gets no profit

[sleek tundra]

Even though stealth arguably needs less points compared to combat, and less resources

[silver pagoda]

Duh, its stealth bro, thats why its stealth. You avoid combat

[sleek tundra]

Yes, and you get rewarded more xp for it

XP should be rewarded equally for all playstules like the original deus ex

[silver pagoda]

why exactly XP should be equal when stealth is only patience and avoidance, when gunslinging might put you against a whole room of enemies at once? not even counting difficulty

[sleek tundra]

Because you're forcing players to use stealth since it rewards you more and is easier

[silver pagoda]

you are not forcing anyone anything, I rarely play stealth runs in games

[sleek tundra]

You are, you're literally giving stealth more rewards compared to combat

[worthy lagoon]

I care.

And besides Anomaly uses the Open XRAY which is not even made by them

[sleek tundra]

You're giving combat players the middle finger

[silver pagoda]

Does not feel that way in MD, combat is very satisfying and you can max it out easily tbh even on the hardest difficulty

[sleek tundra]

Doesn't matter if you personally don't experience it, it's still there. Kill an enemy with a pistol, then kill them stealthily using nonlethal attacks, much more XP

[drowsy valley]

Is it bad that after completing the last main mission i just started delaying CoP as a regular open world survival

[sleek tundra]

Survival?

[silver pagoda]

Bro you are literally making it hard on yourself by having 'efficiency stress', do you even have fun playing games? lmao

[sleek tundra]

CoP isn't a survival game, just has some survival elements

[worthy lagoon]

I find it boring to have the same models from another game, copying and pasting, while out there, there are modders that made animations and models from the scratch, look at Gunslinger for example

[drowsy valley]

When you complete the game and choose the stay in the zone option it basically becomes one

[sleek tundra]

The game is using objectively bad designs to reward one playstyle over the other, even though both should be rewarded the same thing

[worthy lagoon]

Nope, you can end the game by talking with Gary saying you want to go outside the Zone

[sleek tundra]

How?

[worthy lagoon]

Whenever you want

[silver pagoda]

There are mods where the developers have the craftmanship needed to make something new, and there are mods that are packs and try to make a vision of the dev team that does not particularily have a skillset. Thats why its a mod. Or they would make their own game. Dont support the mod's popularity and stop crying about it, its literally meaningless. I agree on the GSC part, I think anomaly should use a copy of the game.

[drowsy valley]

True but you can still just walk around and now be a normal stalker

[worthy lagoon]

Yes

[silver pagoda]

Thats your opinion, MD is one of the best triple-a immersive sims out there easily

[drowsy valley]

My only issue is i can't really get my hands on more PKM ammo now that the military guy that supplies you with ammo is gone

[sleek tundra]

No it isn't, it's literally number facts. Game design is objective, you avoiding the problem doesn't mean it isn't there

[worthy lagoon]

You will retain all the reputation and Inventory, it's the right time to finish some of the side quests

[sleek tundra]

Stealth gets more xp compared to combat, that's a fact

[drowsy valley]

Yeah, casually walking around with top secret documents, a gauss rifle, and a exoskeleton

[silver pagoda]

Yes it is, you can cope if you want but you are the one ruining your own fun because you feel the game somehow is not fair to you or whatever. The game allows all builds to succeed even without getting a single kill in the game. Its literally immersive-sim perfection to an extent, minus the flaws of the game whatever they may be technical wise.

[worthy lagoon]

I am not crying about it, i simply find that it worsen the quality of the modding community, back in the days almost everything was made from scratch, exception for textures

[sleek tundra]

It ISNT fair, though. You LITERALLY get less xp for combat so it's being unfair. You're ignoring the fact that immersive sims should've favor one playstyle over the other

[silver pagoda]

There is no 'quality' as a general term in the modding community. Modders are people with their own teams with their own vision of what their mods should be and its not a collective hive mind.

[sleek tundra]

The original deus ex was immersive sim perfected because no matter what you do, you get rewarded the same way

[drowsy valley]

Also @worthy lagoon i have SEVERAL questions About your profile banner

🫵🤨

[sleek tundra]

There is quality, stop sugar-coating stuf

[worthy lagoon]

[silver pagoda]

Your nostalgia goggles are strong man, won't continue to argue with you when you clearly stress your own self out.

[sleek tundra]

For the record, I played hr and mankind divided before the og game so I can't be nostalgic about it

[drowsy valley]

I have a question, is there literally no way to get more ammo for the PKM once the military supply guy is gone and you have gotten the ammo from the stash with the regular pkm

[sleek tundra]

Your own bias is clearly showing by praising the game and calling it the best inmersive sim of all time

I'm not blind to dx1's flaws, but you clearly are blind to MD's flaws

[silver pagoda]

I said its one of the best, not best. If you want to talk original deus ex, we can talk about trash the aiming system is, the RPG elements that make no sense, the limited weaponry, bad models, unfriendly UI and brain dead enemies. But all these dont count I guess because it's an 'old' game. Original deus ex was a good game for its time, but MD is a triple-A game in an starved genre that has immense quality to problem solving and allowance of all builds to succeed. Other than Dishonored and generally ARKANE games, let me know if you know of any other good immersive sims out there in modern times other than Deus EX MD

[sleek tundra]

By attaching XP micro-rewards to so many actions, HR encourages players to seek out opportunities to grind optimal XP bonuses rather than taking an organic approach to problem-solving based on their ingenuity and agency. The latter is still possible by simply ignoring the XP system, but we should consider the purpose and result of dripfeed rewards on player psychology and incentives. Players will talk about how they hack every computer not because it furthers their goals or out of interest in worldbuilding detail, but for hacking XP. Same with the "scholar" XP for reading ebooks, or the "explorer" XP for backtracking through vents after clearing out a level. It's successful as a form of encouragement, but it's arguably too successful. DX's sandbox levels presented challenges that were nontrivial to overcome without surveying the environment and forming strategies -- stealth and subterfuge were tools to for the player to gain the upper hand. HR's levels are mostly up to snuff in this regard, so I don't think it needed any additional encouragement to push players away from rote cover shooting considering the high lethality of enemies, the low ammo drop counts, and clear communication of alternate solutions.

There are entire essays out there based on HR

[silver pagoda]

Mate, I can write anything I want on the internet and I am not talking about HR

[sleek tundra]

HR and MD follow the same level design and gameplay, very little was changed

[silver pagoda]

MD is a sequel to HR and its not even close

Same principles exist, the question is how much they upgraded the said principles

[sleek tundra]

Stealth in dx1 was balanced because a lot of the time it required lockpicks, in HR and MD it was almost completely free

[drowsy valley]

Y'all about to pull a warthunder community move and leak classified information to win aren't you

[sleek tundra]

Nah, Deus ex isn't aiming for realism

[drowsy valley]

The hell is deus ex

[sleek tundra]

The only way leaking a classified military document would benefit me is talking about augmentations and sadly I don't have one on hand

[silver pagoda]

A game where the protagonist can ICARUS jump and has 2 robotic arms and integrated UI on his eyes is not realistic? Holy fk bro really?

Give me a break already lmao

[sleek tundra]

He doesn't know what deus ex is so I explained it to him

It wasn't aimed at you

[drowsy valley]

wait wait wait you guys are talking about some completely unrelated game right

[sleek tundra]

Yup, this isn't stalker

[hazy helm]

Yes

[sleek tundra]

And no, we won't move to offtopic

[drowsy valley]

Then.. why are you.. talking about it in.. the stalker channrl

[hazy helm]

Deus Ex is based

[sleek tundra]

@hazy helm Your rank is higher than mine and Sektoras', so your opinion is the most valid. Deus ex 1 vs hr and md?

[silver pagoda]

Deus ex is one of the best and first immersive sims ever made, evidently the sequels all sucked up until they Triple A it with HR and MD, which are both great games (MD much better)

[hazy helm]

I'd choose 1 but HR and MD are very goo games

[drowsy valley]

Never heard of it and it must therefore be a bad game

Argument over i win

[sleek tundra]

GMDX + deus ex 1 is better than both hr and md combined

[silver pagoda]

damn man i cant win against this

[hazy helm]

I don't think it's a fair comparison man

[sleek tundra]

Even vanilla deus ex was better

[hazy helm]

They weren't made under the same conditions and under the same objectives,sure you can stack them against each other but you should get away from the this is better than the two mentality

[sleek tundra]

Combat was actually fun there, you had Aug choices and couldn't make out everything

[silver pagoda]

I loved DEUS EX vanilla when I could not aim my rifle because I had more pistol skill, somehow the character was an ape

[sleek tundra]

That's called an rpg, ever heard of one?

[silver pagoda]

True game design there, tabletop simulator

[sleek tundra]

HR makes you perfect at all weapons so its even worse

[silver pagoda]

Deus EX OG was good but its very overrated

[drowsy valley]

[hazy helm]

Not really

[silver pagoda]

Yeah because you're a fkin veteran agent dude, of course you can aim a fkin gun, are you even serious lmao

[sleek tundra]

No it isn't, you have to actually put points into stuff that you want to use

[sleek tundra]

No you aren't, you're fresh from the academy

You're 21 ffs

You can get one skill to advanced pretty fast if you put points there

[silver pagoda]

So let me get this traight, they deploy an agent in state island who cannot use a gun to go to terrorists?

[sleek tundra]

His mission was to sneak around and capture an nsf leader

And no, he can use a gun if you actually put points there

[hazy helm]

They did this BC of gameplay reasons not story missions

[silver pagoda]

Yeah and it sucked ass

[finite dragon]

why does everyone call everything a sim

[sleek tundra]

It's called an rpg, you can become really accurate pretty damn fast

[silver pagoda]

its a genre, its called immersive sim

[sleek tundra]

Immersive sim is a genre, name isn't accurate to the true definition

[hazy helm]

It is a different game philosophy to what came after and I don't think it's bad,it's merely different

[silver pagoda]

its not bad for its time, but severly overrated

[drowsy valley]

i just wanna know if i can get ammo for my PKM in cop after the military guy who supplies it leaves :nOOO:

[hazy helm]

It still holds up to this day as one of the greatest games

[silver pagoda]

Yall remind me of people who say Doom 64 is better than DOOM eternal lmao

[finite dragon]

eh yeah ive just seen it thrown around way more on this discord but i guess that makes sense in stalker land, just think its a weird title if you ask me

[sleek tundra]

You probably didn't get past the island so obviously you won't be able to judge it

[silver pagoda]

STALKER has imsim elements aswell

[silver pagoda]

bro i've finished the game when i was like 16 lol

[sleek tundra]

Every single game has immersive sim elements, what matters is how many elements said game has

[finite dragon]

lol i think i dont like that genre adjective but to each their own

[hazy helm]

Please don't tell me you're one of those that put Stalker 2 in the ImSim scale

[silver pagoda]

STALKER 2 is not out, how should i know lol

[sleek tundra]

And you didn't know that putting points into a skill makes you better at it or that the player isn't a 'veteran agent'

[drowsy valley]

You are all clearly wrong

Papers, please is the game of all time

[hazy helm]

when J get to that guy he's getting a strangling

[silver pagoda]

Yes I know, what Im saying is that it sucks, im not saying i did not know

[finite dragon]

cant a game just be atmospheric and good without it being an imsim or incel or whatever

like i can read a book and its immersive is it an imcel

[sleek tundra]

So you want your character to be super good at everything? It looks like you just hate rpgs in general, not deus ex's fault

[silver pagoda]

Imsim means effort into development. Has multiple solving ways and you can approach objectives with many game styles and ways. Its not a linear game in the sense that you do what everybody does and your only allowance in freedom is how you kill in the arena sections

[sleek tundra]

Don't explain immersive sims, it's very hard to explain them

Just say games like the original deus ex, system shock and thief.

[silver pagoda]

Nah dude, but not being able to fire my gun correctly as an agent deployed to a terrorist group is plain stupid, MD did this through augments but Jensen still feels like an agent without them

[finite dragon]

so a game that has effort into development has a specific genre title that involves the world simulation? eh I get it the vibe of them i just think it's weird

[hardy bear]

I only found out about the name a week or so ago and so many games have that genre title but I can’t piece together why

[sleek tundra]

You can also put points into the damn skill and be great at firing, you didn't specialise into weapons so it's entirely your fault

[sleek tundra]

The term is thrown around a lot these days, it's basically another way to say rpgs now

[hardy bear]

Im assuming flight similar is an immersive sim. Is Arma? And why is gloomwood considered one?

[silver pagoda]

It actually, does, you can take Last of us for example. Your only allowance in freedom of gameplay is how you play the kill enemy arenas, yet the game has a preset way, preset story, no choice whatsoever and linear gameplay. In Imsims, you can choose if you go through the door, through the vent, through the roof. You can choose if you want to kill or avoid, or leave them punched in the face unconcious. And these choices matter for the most part.

[hazy helm]

no one can,ImSim isnt a genre and every try to confine it to one has failed bc exceptions need to be made

[finite dragon]

i just think there's a better way to describe games and genres, it being immersive and interesting isn't a genre but its really pedantic idc

[finite dragon]

bro i can do that in zelda

[hardy bear]

It’s such a vague way to describe a game it’s no wonder it makes little sense

[hazy helm]

I swear to god I need to make a game with action rpg with hit change

[silver pagoda]

Zelda has heavy imsim elements dude lol

[finite dragon]

jfc

[silver pagoda]

Ever played Bloodlines? Vampire game? Or Dishonored?

[hazy helm]

ever played Ctrl Alt Ego?

[finite dragon]

yes plot driven games that you walk around in = imsim

[sleek tundra]

Like I said, no one called truly put it into perspective because its a design philosophy, not an actual genre

[sleek tundra]

Smartest STOC member

[silver pagoda]

If you can summarize Imsims are this: Player choice

[hazy helm]

look all I know is,Stalker isnt an Imsim and Pathologic isnt an ImSim,neither is Fallout 3/4/NV

[sleek tundra]

RPGs also give the player choices but they don't qualify as immersive sims

[silver pagoda]

And actual responds of said choices to the player

[hardy bear]

That’s also present in shooters. Building games. Story games. Basically any game

[sleek tundra]

Holy crap, NLC reference @hazy helm

[sleek tundra]

I've said this multiple times, but it's not an actual genre. It's a design philosophy.

[hazy helm]

I will smack you and put you to live in Serbia

[silver pagoda]

Genres are general terms in names

[sleek tundra]

Serbia is nlc live action remake so it won't be so bad

[silver pagoda]

Fortnite is a shooter, and so is ARMA

[sleek tundra]

So is human revolution but it also qualifies as an immersivr sim

[finite dragon]

what about a hollowsim or depthlessim

[sleek tundra]

What about bitchlesssim

[silver pagoda]

So is dishonored, but rarely a game responds to the player. I mean, how many games you know that depending on how many you kill the city gets plagued with rats

[finite dragon]

uh rpgs do stuff but its more reading and not im but ive been very im in rpgs/crpgs

[sleek tundra]

NLC, man

[finite dragon]

sorry ive been transgressive today, posted harry potter in pripyat earlier

[hazy helm]

I really dont care tbh

[sleek tundra]

This is literally NLC, Vasim. Believe me

[hazy helm]

I dont think putting it into certain and set in stone words is as important as ppl make it out to be

[sleek tundra]

I swear, I'm not crazy

[hazy helm]

dont ask do not pls no

[sleek tundra]

Another one joins the meat grinder

[hardy bear]

I didn’t ask actually

I feel like this is a rabbit hole I don’t want to venture down

[hazy helm]

noice

[sleek tundra]

Damn it, you're shooing newcomers away @hazy helm

[silver pagoda]

Died in an anomaly
Shot by loners
Found with a stone around his neck 🪦
Thrown off a cliff 😭
Torn apart by dogs 🐩

[sleek tundra]

You were like a brother to me, Vasim. How could you

[hazy helm]

I am doing them a service

[sleek tundra]

You can't protect them for too long, you know that

The time will come, you won't be able to warn them

You'll watch them download NLC, unaware of what they're about to do and how it'll affect their life

[finite dragon]

en_imsimcels

[silver pagoda]

Anomaly mod still better than all imsims

get smacked son, be mad

[hazy helm]

it follows

[late frigate]

who would win?
A faction with hundreds of members armed with dangerous weaponry
OR
some dude with an ak and 10 medkits

[hazy helm]

he has 999-10 medkits

[gilded sentinel]

it all makes sense now

[tender torrent]

I always took the STALKER game for one man, the story for an unknown Hero, the main character we are to eliminate all that we want in the game, like other video games too

[late frigate]

the story is really good imo,in clear sky they made it so you arent a "one man army" since alot of missions have escorts helping you so you dont feel alone

[tender torrent]

it's true, also the extreme difficulty can help not to be alone during faction conflict or to be really experienced

[late frigate]

Extreme is the best way to play stalker imo

makes you feel defenseless as you should

[tender torrent]

Can't wait to see what Xbox achievements are going to be on the next stalker

[late frigate]

imagine

one achievement is just collecting all artifacts

[sleek tundra]

Wdym

Game is pretty damn easy

[late frigate]

bro onto nothing???

[tender torrent]

Where to finish the game alone without having joined a clan during the whole story.

Title : "The Stalker"

[late frigate]

oh thats actually quite good

[sleek tundra]

You said it makes you feel defenseless

[late frigate]

what is he talking about👆⁉️❗🔥🔥

[tender torrent]

When you're up against a horde of the mutant on extreme difficulty it's quite another thing to aim headshots at human enemies so easily

[sleek tundra]

This

[late frigate]

repeat that⁉️⁉️🔥👆👆👆

[sleek tundra]

The grenades in my pocket says otherwise

[late frigate]

you forgot the physics they might bounce back

[sleek tundra]

My underbarrel grenade launcher says otherwise

[tender torrent]

a horde of swamp leeches with their invisibility back running and screaming all over the place jumping on you

[sleek tundra]

Good luck finding an actual encounter like that

The majority of the game is pretty easy, get ammo + grenades + medkits and you're set

[tender torrent]

it has to be hardcore

[sleek tundra]

What do you mean?

Stalker was never intended to be a hardcore or difficult game

[tender torrent]

I think that we will surely have the choice of the difficulty on the game, and of which perhaps surely an impact in terms of obtaining the ease of equipment

[sleek tundra]

First 3 stalker games had easy hard difficulties so no

I doubt they'd change this, game will always be easy unless they completely switch the genre

[tender torrent]

the last time I played the stalker trilogy was in 2010 after more than 12 years it's quite difficult to remember

[hazy helm]

first 3 stalker games are the only stalker games that really exist dude,S2 aitn out
yet

[sleek tundra]

NLC is a thing

[sleek tundra]

Lmao this loser hasn't played stalker for over 10 years

[tender torrent]

to see i think

it was on my brother's PC, a good time before we totally finished the game and then moved on, but I never lost the stalker passion that remained even after 12 years with wonderful memories

[tender torrent]

Clear sky with the choice of clan also at random, and the synoptic of the game well done, it was my number 1

🥇Clear Sky
🥈Shadow of Chernobyl
🥉Call of pripyat

[finite dragon]

you literally ranked them in chronological order bro

[tough rivet]

hi

[hazy helm]

heyo

[long harbor]

do bloodsuckers suck only blood or do they stuck anything we shove in their mouth?

trying to come up with an idea for my new r34 art;)

[hazy helm]

why was it deleted?

[tough rivet]

saw the second line lol

[finite dragon]

not even the monolith can help you man you need the sin

[formal rapids]

Can someone here give me a gaminf pc tip on graphics cards and motherboards?

[finite dragon]

(Yes i know they are not canon i just thought that saying "you need jesus" was already too used

[formal rapids]

Anyone?

[finite dragon]

I have a radeon 550 i cannot help you

[hazy helm]

I can try what do you wanna do

[formal rapids]

Messaged you

[tender torrent]

I didn't even do it on purpose lol

[tender torrent]

it seems to me that the bloodsuckers only suck the blood and leave the body totally clearing on the skin that remains. yes yes welcome to the world of Stalker

[silver pagoda]

Guys, are you ready for tinfoil hat theory?

[sleek tundra]

Let me guess, women aren't real

That's not a theory, that's a proven fact. We all know this, so don't repeat yourself

[silver pagoda]

Damn man, thats deep

[spring abyss]

That's not a theory that's the reality

[sleek tundra]

Read the next message, idiot

[spring abyss]

Woman are a government creation to take out our money and make man sad

[spring abyss]

I will not read it

[rich pumice]

Now that the trailer has been out for a bit, does anyone know what year S2 takes place in? I recall that they mentioned how long it’s been since something, but I can’t remember what

[sand condor]

relatively modern

[sleek tundra]

2022 minimum

This won't really matter since its Eastern Europe and culture hasn't advanced as much there

[rich pumice]

Just checked, in the trailer they say “after years of work scientists got into the noosphere”, blah blah blah, and then after than they guy says “and what do we have a decade later” so 2016

[sleek tundra]

Original games took place in 2012 or 2014 I believe

[rich pumice]

2012

[sand condor]

it could be 2020s

[sleek tundra]

Doesn't mean exactly a decade later, could be a decade and half

[sand condor]

i can see modern weapons

[sleek tundra]

Modern weapons already exist in stalker though

[rich pumice]

Well then “a decade an a half later” would be more appropriate, 15 years is 150% more than 10

[sand condor]

did the games have p90

[sleek tundra]

Anything even more modern would be pretty damn rate

[rich pumice]

P90 came out a long time ago

[sand condor]

what about saiga 12

[sleek tundra]

Both came out pretty recently

I don't want to burst your bubble but no more than 5 new major weapons were made after 2012

[rich pumice]

P90 came out in 1990, Saiga-12 in 1997

[sleek tundra]

The only new weapon is a western one still being tested

[rich pumice]

M5 is in stalker 2?? Or are you thinking of a different one

[sleek tundra]

I meant in real life the xm5 is still being tested so it won't be a thing in stalker

[rich pumice]

Ahh that makes sense, something for the modders then

[sleek tundra]

Or it'll be very, very rare since its a western made weapon still in the production phase

[rich pumice]

If the game takes place in 2019 onwards then yeah, it could be in the zone, given that SIG started on it that year

[sleek tundra]

Started working on it, but hasn't started selling it to any country not with the U.S

[sand condor]

did vector exist in the games

[rich pumice]

I don’t think so

[sand condor]

that weapon is very late 2000s

[rich pumice]

You can buy an M5 (though it costs 8k), but it was only recently for sale

[sand condor]

i think we can see kriss

[sleek tundra]

The weapons didn't exist not because they weren't made, but because the game didn't model them

Why add 50 weapons when 30 is already overkill?

[sand condor]

how many confirmed weapons

[hazy helm]

where did you see taht in the trailer wiper?

[sand condor]

i didn't see any but i am theorising

theres so many weapons we didn't see

[hazy helm]

I cant understand if youre a troll or I just cant read for a damn

[sand condor]

i am interested in the gay

game

[rich pumice]

gayme*

[hazy helm]

Ive never seen someone ask the question you ask without being a troll...and the way you phrase it makes my brain shutdown

sorry man

[sand condor]

am not a gun nut but somehow i am interested in firearms

[hazy helm]

the kriss wont prob be ingame,but we'll see

[dry imp]

i dont think it will be

[sand condor]

can we expect limited attactments like muzzles and scopes

[dry imp]

yes

[sand condor]

anything else requires a workbench

[dry imp]

they literally showed the attachment system in the very first trailer

do you not follow stalker 2 at all

[sand condor]

is that really necessary

[dry imp]

what

[hazy helm]

[sleek tundra]

[dry imp]

[rich pumice]

[hazy helm]

I doubt it,expecting it to be like the other games

[rich pumice]

Some guns in CoP and CS needed an attachment in the workbench in order to enable scopes and grenade launchers, like the AK iirc

[tender torrent]

We are talking about the Weapons of the 80s,90s, will there be other additional weapons added, or simply the same weapons as in the old stalker?

[rich pumice]

I’d imagine so

[sleek tundra]

We don't know

Why do people ask us questions like this? Might as well ask if the pda sounds are going to stay in the actual game

[rich pumice]

Also “We”? Dude you came outta nowhere

[hazy helm]

theyll add weapons,we already know this since last year the weapon showcase
the OG stalkers didnt have bolt action rifles
and that showcase had 1

and the new trailer had more guns that werent in the showcase so

[tender torrent]

This could add more spice for the game and the multiplayer, then you have to vary or stay in the originality of the series

[sleek tundra]

There's already a decent amount of guns in the vanilla games, a lot actually

No reason to add half a cup of spice, else you'd ruin the food

[hazy helm]

mhe depends how they are balancing the game,wether they are doing SoC and CS ladder of progression or CoP balancing

[rich pumice]

Why would they stay close to the OG games? ShOC had a different roster of guns when compared to CoP, doesn’t mean CoP’s guns are straying to far

[finite summit]

not even a hundred

[sand condor]

i expect old weapons or double barrel shotgun woll not have scope

[hazy helm]

even 50 guns is an obscene ammount

[rich pumice]

Fallout 4 had about 50 guns, it was plenty

[finite summit]

50 is laughably small amount

[sand condor]

more variety of weapons

depending on the situation

[rich pumice]

MW2 has 51 give or take

[tender torrent]

why not simply bring together all the weapons of SOC, CS, COP?

[hazy helm]

(it was too much)

[rich pumice]

It just works

[sand condor]

like versatile of ar and up close and personal of saiga12

[hazy helm]

it really doesnt FO4 sucks

[finite summit]

does it?

[sand condor]

fo4 is really mediocre

[hazy helm]

holy hell dude we dont even know if the Saiga12 is gonna be ingame stop speculating about stuff you dont even have a basis

[rich pumice]

FO4 is a fun game, I’ve sunk many hundreds of hours into it. You don’t need a good story

[hazy helm]

yes,its a very very bad game

[sand condor]

then what the hell thr weapon in the lab then

[sleek tundra]

It didn't

A lot of the guns were variants of existing guns with different attachments

[finite summit]

Isn't that the best one in terms of bang-bang part?

[hazy helm]

which trailer

[sleek tundra]

There are only 3 handguns afaik, one is unique

[rich pumice]

From the Fallout wiki: “There are over 50 base weapons and over 700 mods available.”

[hazy helm]

its very very bad gunplay and is also a looter shooter so no

[sleek tundra]

Saiga, probably

[sleek tundra]

The wiki is either wrong or is including every single weapon type, so melee and useless stuff like junk thrower

[rich pumice]

4’s gunplay was just fine, the older games were the ones that suffered from age

[finite summit]

Isn't every other fallout like that?

[sleek tundra]

Fnv made up with this using rpg mechanics and different weapon diversity that simply isn't a thing in fallout 4

[rich pumice]

I’m gonna go read and check every weapon in 4’s wiki, not counting pipe pistol/rifle variants

[hazy helm]

I say this with a straight and unironic face when I say taht Fallout 4's gunplay is worse than New Vegas and 3's to an extent

[silver pagoda]

Bethesda games 🤮

[rich pumice]

That is a very weird take, and I’m gonna have to completely disagree with you. I did not have that experience when playing 4 vs NV

[silver pagoda]

Fallout 4 has good gunplay? Really low standards, it sucked monkey butt

[hazy helm]

sektoras being strangely based,rare w

[silver pagoda]

Bethesda games are pathetic, last one was MW. Id say mew vegas but its not even made by them lmao

[hazy helm]

And yhea wiper you're right in the first trailer years ago there was a saiga 12 sorry I had forgottenn

Still I dunno where you got the vector from and why it should be in stalker
Having too big a weapon pool in a game like stalker really isn't a good thing

[rich pumice]

MW?

[silver pagoda]

They are customizable on the fly lile METRO exodus in S2 which is by far better than having 100 guns imo

Morrowind was the last good game they made

[hazy helm]

Morrowind

[hazy helm]

if you say that stalker shadow of Chernobyl had customizable on the fly guns that would also be true

[silver pagoda]

Starfield seems interesting tho

[hazy helm]

Chrew

[rich pumice]

Just checked, not counting variants or legendary uniques, or creation club, there are 34 guns in Fallout 4. Given that ShoC has 31, counting GL’s, I’d say that 30 is a good base number of guns, if S2 has 50 or more I’d be plenty happy

[hazy helm]

Genuinely interested in Starfield since thy seem to want to give the RPG side of stuff a more series look

[rich pumice]

I hope starfield has 200 endings like Fallout 4

[tender torrent]

Could other weapons be added in future updates?

[wanton trail]

Get hoes

[rich pumice]

GSC could add weapons (after release), but who knows, they said there will be modding support from the go, so they will probably just let them do the work

[silver pagoda]

You know what I dont like about bethesda games, is what I also dislike about Cyberpunk 2077 and the part of STALKER games(that certain part to an extent). You can hoard medkits, weapons, throwables. You have literally a mountain of stuff in your backpack which makes you wonder why is there even a limit in the of the day. In Stalker its much more limited but still medkits are too spammable.

The thing is that Cyberpunk had good, meaty combat and presentation of the story, unlike Bethesda games

[tender torrent]

This mod support, which hardly exists in the current headlines, will radically change the pleasure of playing in the area.

[rich pumice]

maybe a delayed healing? Stimpaks in F4 weren't instant, so it gave the enemies time to kill you, then again in Stalker at higher difficulties you tended to just die before you get a chance to heal

[sleek tundra]

Keep in mind fallout 4 is much longer than SOC

[rich pumice]

...ok?

[silver pagoda]

Its not about the delayed healing, its the fact that you hoard items. Dont get me wrong, I understand there is a certain arcade element to all the games I mentioned including stalker, but come on man, whats the point of combat if I can just spam medkits

[tender torrent]

the weapons was beautifully designed on Metro Exodus

[silver pagoda]

Preach brother

[austere coral]

I'm hoping for a realy large caliber sniper, that can kill anything human by an upper chest shot (except the most armored units)

[hazy helm]

couldnt disagree more with you

[rich pumice]

whats the point of having fun playing a game if you are always suffering with no health? In metro you always had a choice to save on health and just stealth through sections, but Stalker isnt known for its stealth mechanics

[sleek tundra]

No, no, Sek has a point

[silver pagoda]

Whats the point of playing a 'GAME' when said game has no difficulty at all even on hardest option. Like literally in all those games even on hardest you go unscathed just by hoarding items like you are an IKEA truck. There is no immersion at all

[sleek tundra]

Metro is a hardcore game, stalker isn't. That's the big difference

[tender torrent]

I thought of the "Famas" assault rifle but it's true does it really coincide with the area?

[hazy helm]

I see no problem with the way they really do it tbh,they focus more on RPG elements (bethesda and cyberpunk,and I mean a arcade rpg element) and stalker focuses more on a arcady style
there is nothing stopping developers from including a mechanic that spaces out healing items use with a timer,but they didnt,it's not due to lazyness but an intentional design in the game's balancing

[silver pagoda]

Dont need to be hardcore to have even some slight common sense

[sleek tundra]

Immersion lmao, I love how everyone still believes in immersion

[rich pumice]

Alright then, how would you do it?

[sleek tundra]

Keep the animation for healing medkits + make the economy like...

NLC

[silver pagoda]

Make difficulty as it is in STALKER, less bullet to die/kill, adjust NPC behaviours (flanks, accuracy, movement like DOOM eternal does it) and put diminishing returns on healing options

Also make animations for said items

[hazy helm]

you know what I hate tho?when developers overly complicate and overengenier systems and mechanics to make them more immersive when all they do is break my immersion instead

[sleek tundra]

That's not how it works in stalker, higher difficulty doesn't make enemies less tanky

[silver pagoda]

We are talking about the fine line, not make the game a military simulator

[hazy helm]

ha so take the RPG out of Stalker kind of thing,I dont agree with this

[silver pagoda]

Nothing I mentioned takes RPG elements out

[rich pumice]

So, you want to: Keep stalker's time-to-kill the same, make AI good, make AI movement Arcade-y, and make it so you get punished for healing multiple times

[silver pagoda]

No, AI actually using logic instead of shooting you from 1 cover and wait to die is not arcade, its just good AI

Hard difficulties should display a hard difficulty

[hazy helm]

lessening TTK would put a dent in this tho,since by RPG I mean the ladder of progression and Stalker being balanced around it's suit's and artifacts statistics and weapons statistics
if you were able to take anything down with a couple of shots youd be making it more about the player skill and less about these statistics

[silver pagoda]

You already have this in STALKER, master difficulty adjust how fast you die and how fast you kill, not sure what you mean

[sleek tundra]

That's not true, that's a big myth

It has been proven to be false multiple times

[rich pumice]

hard difficulty in the OG stalker games was: higher difficulty = more bullets hit, literally. On the easier difficulties, some bullets would simply poof away, both Ai and player, so max difficulty would make both the player and enemies into glass cannons

[sleek tundra]

Again, not true, hard difficulty didn't turn the player into a glass Canon

[silver pagoda]

Which is how it should be on HARD difficulty, instead of making sponges like we play borderlands

[hazy helm]

and youre destroying play diversity,one of the reasons why you dont have timers on medik kits is for movabilitt and flanking options
for the player taht wants to play like a cyborg,what youd be doing is making a railraod so the player can only play 1 way and only 1 way and taht is camping spots and never leaving your cover

[silver pagoda]

Spamming medkits should not be possible on hardest difficulty nor should bad AI be a thing

[hazy helm]

throwing grenades and being a turtle
stalker wanted to go the opposite side but CS had a lot of pushback bc ppl would rather be snipers with turtle shells
but youd essentially push player like me off the game

[silver pagoda]

Thats why its HARD difficulty, people can always play on normal or easy if they're babies

[rich pumice]

...or if they want to have fun

[sleek tundra]

Stalker was never intended to be a difficult game, I play hard stalker mods that would make you cry and even I ain't that bad

[hazy helm]

a game having consumable animations is a VERY big thing for balancing and Ive already talked about it
its a deliberate action and it highlights how a game designer wanted to take the game in,which direction

[silver pagoda]

STALKER has a hard difficulty, make it hard or dont make it at all, also you keep talking how stalker is not supposed to be that, this, are you a developer or something?

[sleek tundra]

You're making hardcore players look like elitist, which is frankly not entirely wrong but you'll push people away from playing my favorite mods

[silver pagoda]

Its not about elitism its about providing a difficulty that matches my choice of 'hard' when I click it in a new game

[sleek tundra]

It's in the gameplay and interviews, if stalker wanted to be hard it would've made itself hard by keeping mechanics from old games

[silver pagoda]

if hard is not hard, your game design failed, its very simple

[scenic phoenix]

I heard somewhere that it takes less headshots to kill something in master than rookie

[hazy helm]

the only thing I agree with sek is the AI suggestion,but that should be in every difficulty

[sleek tundra]

The game design wasn't intended to be hard

[hazy helm]

wrong,check the pins to see the difficulty chart

[silver pagoda]

Mate stop the air talk, you are not a dev, stop making STALKER is supposed is to be this and that statements

unless you are a dev, provide your opinion and stop acting like you know development design of the said game

[sleek tundra]

No I'm not but I've played the actual game and gotten the vision that the devs intended

[rich pumice]

are you a dev? because you're acting as if you are an expert in game design

[sleek tundra]

And the game's advertisement never said its a difficult game

[hazy helm]

you could see their vision even on the builds and desdocs dude

[scenic phoenix]

This channel?

[silver pagoda]

What I said is very clear and logical: Hard difficulty should be hard. I said nothing more

[hazy helm]

#⭐┃nospoilers_general message

[sleek tundra]

This

[sleek tundra]

It kind of is hard, the game just doesn't want to be a hardcore game

If you've checked the chart you'll see that the game, well, gets harder. It just isn't noticeable because it isn't intended to be hard

[hazy helm]

[silver pagoda]

Its not hard, DOOM eternal on hardest diff is hard and that is an arcade shooter. You have no idea what you on about. For a game that claims to have 'survival' elements, spamming medkits as if im playing borderlands does not fit on hardest difficulty

[sleek tundra]

It IS hard by definition compared to the previous difficulties

[hazy helm]

Stalker isnt about survival at all,it has a few mechanics but its more about the fast paced shooting and a few horror elements

[silver pagoda]

It has survival elements, read what I write, i never said its meant to be survival based

[sleek tundra]

Hold up, survival? When did stalker claim to be a survival game?

[scenic phoenix]

Oh alr thank you

[silver pagoda]

Survival elements =/= survival game

[sleek tundra]

Okay, and minecraft has survival elements but isn't hard. Your point?

[rich pumice]

you say that as if you have plenty of time to go into your inventory or spam a hotkey, but in stalker there are plenty of times where you get ambushed or taken by surprise and die before you get a chance to do anything more than try and jump away

[sleek tundra]

The game has very little survival elements

[hazy helm]

it is survival light,you have a few meters and needs but really,not meant to be hardcore survival which is why what you said,excpet AI wasnt adopted

even if you have easy,hard and normal difficulties these still need to be matching the game's design and what it's aiming for

[sleek tundra]

@hazy helm Can I recommend him the thing? He wants hard games

[silver pagoda]

Having unspammable medkits is not ruining the game, it makes the game hard for those who choose to tackle on the difficulty. Making the AI hard and letting me spam medkits literally destroys the scope of being hard. Difficulties work best when they are universal

[hazy helm]

no

[sleek tundra]

But he's a hardcore gamer, he'd like it

[hazy helm]

he's had 1 or 2 years of game design school he'd start clowning on yo ass HAHAHA

he's actually educated unlike us plebs

[sleek tundra]

No he didn't, he genuinely thinks not balancing xp rewards is good game design

[silver pagoda]

Im not claiming to be above anyone, but as I mentioned hard difficulty should be universal in the game systems and not just ''oh this AI can headshot me from 500m''

[hazy helm]

where did that go

[sleek tundra]

I've been studying game design longer than you, bud. If you think you know what you're doing, try NLC and tell us why it's "bad"

[hazy helm]

youre like the nanny that see something on the internet and proclaims itself a expert bc she tried it adn it worked

[silver pagoda]

Well his name is trashcan

[sleek tundra]

Watch your mouth, kid. I outrank you here

If you want a difficult stalker game, play... wait for it...

NLC

[silver pagoda]

Bro you literally claim you have inside info on how GSC makes games and what stalker is supposed to be in every debate that happens here regarding how people think STALKER would work best

Give me a break, call me when you make your own game mr game designer

[sleek tundra]

NLC

[hazy helm]

you arent exactly wrong,
we have the code,every build from 2003-2004 to 2008 and the desdocs as well as testimony

[sleek tundra]

NLC, try it since you like hard difficulty @silver pagoda

[rich pumice]

What even is NLC? A mod?

[hazy helm]

we have the journey p well documented,from Oblivion Lost to Stalker Oblivion Lost to Stalker Shadow of Chernobyl

[hazy helm]

NLC7 is a survival horror mod using SoC engine,it's a completely different game

[sleek tundra]

It should be noted that anything Vasim says regarding NLC is wrong, his account just got hacked by my FBI agent to prevent players from finding NLC

[rich pumice]

Didn’t know there were games made on xray other than stalker

[silver pagoda]

If you're a groupie for it it's probably gonna be bad

[hazy helm]

it should be noted that everything LT says about NLC is to be taken with a ocean of salt has he is a schizophrenic from serbia and very biased

[sleek tundra]

NLC 7 is a total conversion mod for Shadow of chernboyl that turns the game into a hardcore, survival/survival horror game with immersive sim elements

[rich pumice]

So just gamma with worse graphics and harder gameplay? I say this because I’ve never heard of it before

[sleek tundra]

Nah, much more different

[hazy helm]

NLC7 isn;t complete and utter crap,it is actually balanced quite well and had a lot of thought put into how it would play out,it is however very pain to go thru

[silver pagoda]

If trashcan likes its probably trash bro

Probably some underground mod nobody cares about, i'll go play dead space 2

[hazy helm]

it really isnt,I know how LT acts but,you shouldnt be making assumptions like these

[sleek tundra]

I love how he automatically assumes something is bad just because I play it

[scenic phoenix]

Is it fun? I might try it

[sleek tundra]

Wait, I have an idea @hazy helm

What if I play anomaly? What would happen?

[hazy helm]

no

[rich pumice]

just skimmed thru a video and yeah, it does look very different.... also, impregnation??? it was in russian so idk what the guy was saying

[sleek tundra]

Impre what?

[hazy helm]

youd become Serbia's number 1 target and theyll launch ICBMs against you

[silver pagoda]

If you play anomaly you would take a step at the right direction. Try out Dark Signal

[sleek tundra]

This loser straight up admitted in an anti anomaly server that he likes anomaly, I literally don't even have to bother arguing with him anymore. Just mention that he likes anomaly

[rich pumice]

idk man, it was the title of a chapter in a video that seemed to be survival tips for NLC

[hazy helm]

dude,can you like,stop painting a target on your back?are you dumb?

[rich pumice]

uhhh.... anomaly is just fine man