⭐┃nospoilers_general

[tender torrent]

the video game industry in reality is permanent recycling

[sleek tundra]

Indie games very rarely """revolutionize""" stuff

They just make it more accesible

[finite summit]

What indie game has "revolutionized" a whole genre?

[frail spire]

indies don't revolutionize anything, they just take stuff that was left to die by big publishers because it didn't instantly made money 20 years ago

[tender torrent]

After a while we always beat around the bush, there are no more ideas

[scenic phoenix]

force reboot is a really good indie game

[frail spire]

Like, even randomly generating stuff isn't even an indie thing

[sand fiber]

that's not how art works

[finite summit]

it is

[sleek tundra]

ROGUELIKES ARE NOT THE SAME AS ROGUELITES, THE MAJORITY OF GAMES THAT ARE CALLED ROGUELIKES ARE ACTUALLY ROGUELITES

[nimble cipher]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[frail spire]

also you can simply go check any indie game and all of them will start with "I took inspiration from X"

[sleek tundra]

Sorry, I couldn't hold myself

[sleek tundra]

Exactly, they simply made stuff more accessible most of the time, they didn't revolutionize anything

[frail spire]

Yeah the whole roguelikes actually being roguelite and people just being stupid is a good example

[finite summit]

As some guy said: “There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope."

[frail spire]

Like, I welcome any new perspective on games and stuff

but to say "new" is to ignore literally every trial and error in the past

[tender torrent]

What will be the video game industry for the future?

[frail spire]

trash

Like, it's already trash, the future videogame industry is just gonna be fifa simulators

[tender torrent]

with VR headsets, which at the end of a few minutes gives you a headache as if you were an alcoholic

[frail spire]

nah, I think VR's are gonna make a very big jump and mog anything console related

also PC's being the only real thing able to handle most VR's

[sand fiber]

this separation literally makes no sense

[sleek tundra]

Noz, are you 14?

Roguelikes are games that follow a very similar formula to Rogue 1980

Roguelites usually only take the permadeath and procedurally generated levels part

While roguelikes are almost identical to Rogue in everything, just enhanced

[tender torrent]

A big yes in moderation I think, others prefer to stay in the classic

[finite summit]

It does

[scenic phoenix]

the headstrap that comes with the quest gives me migraines

[solid dome]

Nozar, 12, confirmed

[sleek tundra]

@frail spire You know how to explain this? I can't

[frail spire]

Roguelikes are just "you play and die, want to try again? start from 0"

[tender torrent]

Too realistic kills the game

[finite summit]

A game cannot be considered roguelike if it doesn't use ASCII grafics

[frail spire]

roguelites only do the "you play and die" part, it's not that hard to understand

[sand fiber]

"likes" aren't "clones"

[sleek tundra]

"The exact definition of a roguelike game remains a point of debate in the video game community. A "Berlin Interpretation" drafted in 2008 defined a number of high- and low-value factors that distinguished the "pure" roguelike games Rogue, NetHack and Angband from edge cases like Diablo. Since then, with more powerful home computers and gaming systems and the rapid growth of indie video game development, several new "roguelikes" have appeared, with some but not all of these high-value factors, nominally the use of procedural generation and permadeath, while often incorporating other gameplay genres, thematic elements, and graphical styles; common examples of these include Spelunky, FTL: Faster Than Light, The Binding of Isaac, Slay the Spire and Hades. To distinguish these from traditional roguelikes, such games may be referred to as "rogue-lite" or "roguelike-like"."

[sand fiber]

there's no reason for that separation to exist since there are no true roguelike games

[sleek tundra]

That's not true at all since nethack exists and dungeon soup crawler

[frail spire]

I don't even play ascii games without graphics but a roguelike game has no "new game+" nor has anything that carries over to the next playthrought

[tender torrent]

Just thinking about it

[finite summit]

There are

[sleek tundra]

Which follow the exact same formula as Rogue but with improvements to the game

[sand fiber]

sorry i meant they stopped releasing like 15 years ago

[frail spire]

meanwhile your most popular roguelites currently tend to carry stuff over from previous runs defeating the point of it being a roguelike

[scenic phoenix]

nethack was so confusing 😭

[finite summit]

that's the whole point

[tender torrent]

A magnificent game so realistic like in real life outside, my head, I was not well

[hardy bear]

One reason why I don’t want to play hades. Eventually it would just become easy because of the upgrades. I want more of a reliance on player skill

[sand fiber]

hades is more of a visual novel than a game

[hardy bear]

True

[sleek tundra]

They still update a lot of the older ones and you can occasionally find a new classic roguelike or two every couple of years

[sand fiber]

which isn't too bad tbh

[finite summit]

Cringe

[solid dome]

STALKER 2.. if it sucks we should kill ourselves

[sleek tundra]

Might as well do it now and save us the time

[finite summit]

Why wait?

[scenic phoenix]

theres always stalker 3

[finite summit]

Stalker 5 when?

[frail spire]

I'm just gonna wait for when some omega autist simply copy and pastes SoC, CS and CoP into the new engine

kinda like skywind or skyblivion and tale of the two wastelands

[scenic phoenix]

i could go for a remaster of the originals

[finite summit]

I'll be waiting for when S.T.A.L.K.E.R. gets ported to Xray

[tender torrent]

Red emissions, crash the game, good memories when you didn't save

[finite summit]

Did they crash the game?

[tender torrent]

At the time in clear Sky the red emissions, the PC was crashing

[hardy bear]

Honestly I’m quite interested in learning to mod stalker 2 if it comes out

It’ll be good programming practise as well as modelling, animating and stuff

[finite summit]

Not sure if we'll have a good modding support

[tender torrent]

A Stalker 2 mod on xbox, the big question

[hardy bear]

I assume it would have since I’m fairly certain it says it on their site

[scenic phoenix]

stalker 2 mod menu?!?

[hardy bear]

But idk how to mod or use unreal so it’ll be a fun challenge

[sand fiber]

how naive

[tender torrent]

Hmm

[hardy bear]

Lemme have a look. I might be misremembering but I’m fairly sure I’ve seen it stated somewhere

[solid dome]

Then the mods will be taken down for copyright infringement and your wait gone to waste

[finite summit]

#⭐┃nospoilers_general message

[sleek tundra]

You have classic stalker 2

[solid dome]

Woah saving the comment for when Nozar turns out real wrong

[sand fiber]

don't see how those contradict tbh

[frail spire]

"oh no someone took down a mod, good thing literally everyone will now upload it out of spite"

how it always goes

[finite summit]

Aren't you saying the guy is too optimistic while being so yourself?

[hardy bear]

Right yeah it says here they do plan for official mod support

[sleek tundra]

Facts brother, so true my friend

[sand fiber]

Yeah.

[sleek tundra]

Hmm, halo says it's planning to have split screen coop, surely they'll listen!

[finite summit]

Based

[hardy bear]

Yeah who knows what’ll happen. Can’t trust marketing speak these days

[scenic phoenix]

nozar villain arc

[frail spire]

gsc isn't dumb
made an unironic nft campaign
lol
lmao even

[frail spire]

just pray for the base game to be in working condition and not have too much stuff hardcoded in

[finite summit]

gsc isn't dumb
cancelled an nft campaign
lol
lmao even

[frail spire]

so people can actually mod it

[sand fiber]

evgeniy moment

[hardy bear]

Don’t get why they started one to begin with

[scenic phoenix]

there was an nft campaign? i am under a rock

[sand fiber]

evgeniy moment

[solid dome]

gsc isn't dumb
gsc says "no politics will be ingame"
gsc removes russian dubbing from the game
wowzers

[frail spire]

because probably in their team was a massive semen eater and thought it was a good idea

turns out it wasn't a good idea

[finite summit]

I lost my faith in them that day. Can't trust a company that is run by NPCs who follow everything the angry mob says.

[sand fiber]

1. they never said that
2. ingame and outside of the game are different things

[solid dome]

Sure they did way back

[sand fiber]

who's the angry mob, their boss who'll just fire them?

[frail spire]

say no politics
change the name for no reason outside to make people confused

[finite summit]

Their boss is an NPC

[solid dome]

[finite summit]

They really should add politics into the game

[scenic phoenix]

[finite summit]

Really sad they removed political stuff from SoC

[sand fiber]

nah just a capitalist

[sand fiber]

IT'S STILL THERE IT'S STILL AN IMPRINT OF THE CULTURE AND SOCIETY OF MID 00'S UKRAINE I SWEAR

[sleek tundra]

Exactly, an NPC

[nimble cipher]

NozAr#0330 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[frail spire]

I mean, games that revolve around war and lawbreaking should always involve politics, too bad your average person doesn't even knows who their rulers are

[hardy bear]

Well I’m going to go and carry on playing through soc

[finite summit]

Where?

[sand fiber]

pda logs

[solid dome]

gsc says something on twitter
gsc deletes the said tweet
gsc reposts edited out tweet

[finite summit]

I don't remember much of them. Can you give me a link?

[sand fiber]

not like i remember them either lol, but y'know things like Хроники яйцеголовых глобалистов are still there

goood i should start remembering sources

thanks Me

[sleek tundra]

Get this russian crap out of here

Inb4 "It's ukrainian" "Same thing" "No it isn't" "Yes it is"

[solid dome]

Russian doesn't exist, edit out or I'll report you to @dire dagger

Edit it out @sand fiber

[finite summit]

Yeah I guess you could say that Хроники яйцеголовых глобалистов is somewhat close to being political. But for me the closest Thing to reflecting a culture of that time was Khaletsky's monologue.

[sand fiber]

alr
Khroniky iyaytzsegoloviyukh hglobalistov

is this better

[scenic phoenix]

what is going on xd

[sleek tundra]

Someone is a globalist? What's a globalist?

[finite summit]

Хроники яйцеголовых глобалистов = The chronicles of egghead globalists

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_of_Chernobyl_PDA_entries#The_chronicles_of_egghead_globalists

[sleek tundra]

I was right

[hazy helm]

привет как диела

[finite summit]

It's basically a story about how foreigners are tottally unprepaired for the Zone

[sand fiber]

диела real

[hazy helm]

dammit,I made the typo with the i and e

[sleek tundra]

Mercenaries existing says otherwise

[sand fiber]

i'll spend my next soc playthrough analysing what's left of the content targeted in that direction

[finite summit]

I heard a similar story IRL a couple years ago. It was basically that Ukrainian news crews were travelling to the frontline in a group of no more than 3(driver, cameraman, reporter) for the sake of mobility and safety and western ones would take around 10 people with them.

[finite summit]

The story was about scientists not mercenaries.

[sand fiber]

ние пиериежиевай

[high dock]

Hello, someone give me a good stalker related drawing idea.

[sand fiber]

femboy monolith member

freedomer making out with a bloodsucker

[high dock]

i said good

[sleek tundra]

Duty killing freedomer with his hand

[sand fiber]

a loner dominating a whole troop of duty

[sleek tundra]

Recreate enclave photos but replace enclave with Duty

[high dock]

i like this

[sand fiber]

(sexual)

[sand fiber]

why are you listening to Сектор Газа

[high dock]

thanks :-D continue whatever you were doing before

[sleek tundra]

Mocking NozAr and Me dude?

[high dock]

why not? at least it's not justin bieber or some shit

[scenic phoenix]

freedom

[sand fiber]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHASDASJKDHASDJKLASHNDKASOJDNALS;DAS'D .A;DF',ASD'A,W

[nimble cipher]

NozAr#0330 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[high dock]

i die

[sand fiber]

what year are we in

[high dock]

negative

[sand fiber]

anyway i'll go play some ultrakill and tf2 bye

[sleek tundra]

BASED

[hazy helm]

I feel like if I show NoZar my russian playlist she'll roast me

[sand fiber]

you play ultrakill and think indie games don't invent/combine/evolve stuff???

[scenic phoenix]

what do you main

[sand fiber]

you have the best taste in games, so show me

[sand fiber]

Scout/Medic/Spy/Engineer

[sleek tundra]

You said revolutionize, which I disagree with

[scenic phoenix]

👍 👍 👍

[sleek tundra]

Of course the MF mains the spy, the most annoying class

[scenic phoenix]

Engineer and medic good tho

[sand fiber]

i loved playing on degroot as spy

was even able to pull trickstabs in 30fps with shit mouse

will probably main sniper in the future

@sleek tundra btw what's your pb in cybergrind

[sleek tundra]

English

Either way I haven't played Ultrakill in a year or so, waiting for another update before I start playing since I played the crap out of act 1 and got burnt out

[sand fiber]

ah

[scenic phoenix]

im too poor to buy ultrakill so i just try to speedrun the demo

[finite summit]

good

[sand fiber]

wait until P-2 releases and play through it, some really good stuff

[inland dagger]

boys i found 2 artifacts how do i get my roles?

[finite summit]

Wait until Community Managers give it to ya

[inland dagger]

never pirate indie games

[sand fiber]

ping mol1t

[finite summit]

Or that

[inland dagger]

@glossy blade i found 2 artifacts 😎

[finite summit]

Did you ever support a dev whose game you pirated?

[sleek tundra]

Noz, you should never recommend people to pirate a game

[sand fiber]

yes, ultrakill

[last pine]

Bruh he deleted it

[finite summit]

Supported verbally I believe

[sleek tundra]

Guys, don't go to igg games or pirate bay or fitgirl repack to get games for no cost, that's ILLEGAL

[sand fiber]

piracy is morally good

[finite summit]

Realized own cringeness

[sleek tundra]

I was being sarcastic, my second message says that

[sand fiber]

she*

[finite summit]

Proof?

[sleek tundra]

I can't directly recommend people to pirate, but I can indirectly show them the sites

[scenic phoenix]

fitgirl repacks theme is such a vibe i dont use it tho

[sand fiber]

i love you

anyway me can i seriously ask you to stop being extremely toxic

[sleek tundra]

The morality of pirating depends on the game

[sand fiber]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[finite summit]

You came to the wrong place, boy.

[sleek tundra]

If a dev could barely make it, you shouldn't pirate. If it's a triple A game or a game that's already getting so much money, pirating is understandable if you can't buy it

[inland dagger]

when will mol1l give my me roles :(

[hazy helm]

for example,pirating nintendo games is always,morally right

[finite summit]

Patience my friend

[scenic phoenix]

star citizen?

[sand fiber]

girl*

[last pine]

People can be busy sometimes u know

[finite summit]

femboy*

[inland dagger]

both are bad

[sleek tundra]

Don't buy or pirate, both options are worse than each other

Some games are so bad you won't even bother getting them for free

[finite summit]

Applies to all games

[inland dagger]

noir play them

[spring abyss]

did you pirate that game ? fvcking based

[scenic phoenix]

pirating games for emulators

[spring abyss]

no https://youtu.be/P945A5Tndp8

[sand fiber]

no

[finite summit]

But you should have

[scenic phoenix]

tysm bro

[spring abyss]

not based

[sand fiber]

i mean i did but then bought it

[hazy helm]

depends on the availability of the emulator and from whom your pirating and the reasons to do so
like,Im glad I pirated a switch to see if BOTW was worth it,short answer IT WAS NOT WORTH IT,I wouldve wasted my money

[finite summit]

Say cringe grindset

[humble nexus]

hi guys i just downloaded anomalies yesterday

[sand fiber]

and by bought it i mean a girl i know gave it to me

[spring abyss]

GET OUT HERE

[nimble cipher]

Sylky#5506 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[sand fiber]

why?

[finite summit]

So you didn't buy it

[hazy helm]

anomalies?wahts taht?

Im confused

[solid dome]

Why the message was deleted

[sleek tundra]

Most perspective stalker anomaly fan

[solid dome]

Censorship

[finite summit]

The guy realized that what he said was cringe

[solid dome]

Elden cRinge?

[humble nexus]

amazing

[scenic phoenix]

https://www.romsgames.net/ was the greatest thing ever

[hazy helm]

you meant anomaly?huh this cahnnel if for the Stalker games try #🔩┃trilogy_modifications

[spring abyss]

this reminds me that I was banned from the pcsx2 forum for using pirated bios, there is a mod there that only helps doubts if you prove that your bios is original. my ps2 died years ago, i wouldn't buy a new one just to use the emulator, anyway i hate that forum

[hazy helm]

dont worry,I got my databases

[finite summit]

was?

[scenic phoenix]

i dont use it anymore

[finite summit]

based

[sand fiber]

emulator devs being against piracy are like bees being against honey

[finite summit]

Makes sense to me

[scenic phoenix]

at school i would just use mgba to play goldeneye 007

it was so fun

[sand fiber]

and i mean as in actual stance and not official statements so the megacorp doesn't eat you

[finite summit]

would that make any difference?

[spring abyss]

really, but I think they do this to prevent companies from taking down their sites, which is a useless effort and only makes the emulators problems never be solved, until today nobody has ever found a solution for the bug in the sun effect of ace combat 4 or ac0's tactical nuke explosions

[sand fiber]

and i mean as in actual stance and not official statements so the megacorp doesn't eat you

[spring abyss]

[finite summit]

basically the same thing

[scenic phoenix]

ima go cyaa

[humble nexus]

i am quite scared to ask, but should i be starting out on vanilla stalker?

[hazy helm]

depends,do you want to play anomaly or do you want to play Stalker?

[spring abyss]

based

[hazy helm]

simply put,if you want to get into stalker then start by playing Shadow of Chernobyl,unmodded if possible but if youre finding trouble getting it to run install ZRP,then play Clear Sky with SRP and then play COP with no mods
then go play whatever mods you want @humble nexus

[humble nexus]

aight thanks

[carmine crest]

short answer: vanilla stalker
long answer: vanilla stalker
once you're done mod to your hearts content, you DO NOT need mods, this isn't 2007 anymore, the game isn't a buggy unplayable mess without third party intervention

every youtuber seems keen on spreading the misconception that stalker is unplayable w/o mods and it's just not true

[spring abyss]

long answer: after play vanilla stalker, download call of chernoKyl

[carmine crest]

pretty much, it's anomaly's predecessor & it's extremely close to vanlla

[spring abyss]

NO

[fluid sphinx]

not unplayable just not preferrable, lightly modded with ZRP + OWR is the way i recommend newcomers play it

[spring abyss]

cocK>>>anomaly

[carmine crest]

well respectfully that's a horrible way to recommend it

also @spring abyss we should just avoid talking to each other forever you never understand anything i say -.-

[spring abyss]

ewww owr

[fluid sphinx]

why?

[spring abyss]

NO, you dunno about cocK, you're weak

[carmine crest]

ZRP I can understand but OWR is not really needed

[fluid sphinx]

pure vanilla is likely to deter newcomers more than anything

the OG weapon anims are trash even by 2007 standards

[carmine crest]

well I quite like them, to each their own

[spring abyss]

@carmine crest cocK is the true form of coc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8awEappjc&feature=youtu.be

[fluid sphinx]

i like them too, they have their charm but they take time to get used to and are objectively poor, OWR is simply better

[sleek tundra]

DOWNLOAD ANOMALY ITS BETTER

[nimble cipher]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[carmine crest]

ok so this whole time you have been shilling out your mod when i thought it was an unfunny way to say call of chernobyl

i think i will stick to coc my friend

[fluid sphinx]

anomaly sucks ass, it's atmosphere is like a generic unity game in comparison to real stalker

[sleek tundra]

Back then we didn't have animations sometimes and no one complained

[fluid sphinx]

ok and? how is that a good thing

[sleek tundra]

Classic modern gamer, it's all about "atmosphere" and "immersion"

[hazy helm]

he started making it so there would be a mod called CokC,a honorable cause

[sleek tundra]

It's never "gameplay" or "story"... Well sometimes story but judged like crap

[solid dome]

CoCk... That mod is for the impotent fools.

[carmine crest]

I think the only time vanilla's guns got annoying was when I was in cordon trying to snipe military from their outpost on the street with an AK & a pso-1, bullets not going where the barrel aims and instead flying out in a weird 90 degree cone is extremely annoying and a horrible feature for any game with guns, but it was never really an issue outside of that. snipers are better for longer ranges

[fluid sphinx]

lmfao im the opposite of the modern gamer, atmosphere is a big part of the stalker identity

[solid dome]

[sleek tundra]

It's the gameplay, hammer

[spring abyss]

you say unholy things

[carmine crest]

no dude modern gamers are all about how much money they can sink into sh*tty modern games, don't mistake hammer for that lol

[fluid sphinx]

story is the least important aspect of a video game, go play uncharted or someshit if you want story

[solid dome]

[sleek tundra]

The gameplay is what makes a game... a game.

[fluid sphinx]

yes i agree but aesthetics are also very important

[hazy helm]

heeeey,I really like Stalkers story,lore,gameplay,I like its everything,its great at thme

[sleek tundra]

Not true, the first 20-30 years of gaming says otherwise

Aesthetics weren't a thing, games relied on gameplay

[fluid sphinx]

a game can have a great story and I value story but it's the least important aspect of a video game

[spring abyss]

KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[nimble cipher]

Sylky#5506 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[sleek tundra]

It's in the name, game - gameplay

[spring abyss]

average multiplayer fan

single player campaing enjoyer :

[fluid sphinx]

gameplay is not the only aspect of a game tho lmao, we don't live in the 80s anymore

[sleek tundra]

It was the main aspect and it still is, it's what keeps you playing

[spring abyss]

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[carmine crest]

I should warn you, here in this server it's very hard to have an opinion that is not in line with the 3-5 people who usually talk here the most

[fluid sphinx]

not necessarily, it's very subjective

[sleek tundra]

^ I'm one of them

[carmine crest]

if you do not coddle up to them they will spam you with k's and all sorts of things

[fluid sphinx]

it does seem that way lol

[spring abyss]

your opnion
my opnion

[sleek tundra]

The majority of games focus on gameplay, it's not subjective

[fluid sphinx]

not true at all

[carmine crest]

It's funny but most of them are also up to conversation so it's not like it's a bad thing

[sleek tundra]

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

[fluid sphinx]

90% of modern games half ass the gameplay

[spring abyss]

indie games dosent count as games

[sleek tundra]

They half ass everything you fool

[hazy helm]

we are always discussing,we discuss so much that Kev went away poor guy,now I dont have anyone to post cat pics with

[fluid sphinx]

god you're insufferable

[carmine crest]

yeah games today are all about squeezing coins out of you, passion & heart died when companies' hearts grew heavy with greed

[fluid sphinx]

90% yeah

[sleek tundra]

Shut up, we don't want depressing thoughts

[carmine crest]

almost no one today cares about pushing boundaries of the industry or trying something new

[opaque parrot]

People already trying to turn the game into Ready or Not + Warzone type of thing

[hazy helm]

stalker?

[solid dome]

Hammer time

[spring abyss]

ready or not is cool

[sleek tundra]

Ready or not is awesome

[carmine crest]

nah i would say people are trying to make stalker more like tarkov than anything

[opaque parrot]

Yup

[fluid sphinx]

yeah same thing happens with every medium when it becomes massive really

[solid dome]

ЖДАЛКЕР 2?

[nimble cipher]

Krezzin#7223 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[sleek tundra]

Escape to tarkov?

[hazy helm]

I would use genres but yhea,doing that is wack asf

[opaque parrot]

Never said it wasn't

[fluid sphinx]

they just follow a formula cos it makes money

[solid dome]

Shut up you curly twat @nimble cipher

[carmine crest]

call of tarkov 💀

[spring abyss]

anomaly

[carmine crest]

gamma even more-so

[solid dome]

Abnormaly

[sleek tundra]

It makes money because gamers are dumb and pre order games 60 dollar + collection edition + season pass + physical items

[opaque parrot]

Give us some cool spells to use

[sand fiber]

western gamers

[carmine crest]

and those who complain still end up selling out and giving excuse for such a business model to exist too

[sleek tundra]

They wouldn't have kept doing this for over 5 years if it didn't work, companies are many things but dumb when it comes to making money is not one of them (mostly)

[fluid sphinx]

not everyone but yeah that's true for your average gamer

[opaque parrot]

And give us frost/fire salts for crafting some goulash

[sleek tundra]

Anyway, since you like """immersion""" so much I'd recommend you to try NLC 7 sometime in the near or far future

[sand fiber]

[sleek tundra]

I SHALL SPREAD NLC UNTIL I DIE

[nimble cipher]

Lord Trashcan#9358 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[spring abyss]

cocK >>>
you got true water

[fluid sphinx]

just googled it, total conversion, no thanks

[sleek tundra]

Why?

[carmine crest]

@sleek tundra pitch the idea instead of telling them to go read a moddb page & say what it offers, tends to work better

[sleek tundra]

It's objectively better than the vanilla games

[spring abyss]

no

[fluid sphinx]

i don't like to deviate too much from the vanilla experience

[carmine crest]

well a lot of things are objectively better than vanlla

[fluid sphinx]

also there's technically no objectivity in art

[sleek tundra]

The bar isn't high

[sand fiber]

nope

[sleek tundra]

Not true

[carmine crest]

huge emphasis on objectively*********

[sleek tundra]

There's objectivity like balance and game design

[opaque parrot]

Fallout 4 with godzillion mods is objectively better than vanilla Stalker

[sleek tundra]

Games are the most objective art form

[fluid sphinx]

what's good balance and good game design is subjective

[sand fiber]

no not really

[opaque parrot]

Oh boy here it comes

[spring abyss]

GET OUT HERE

[nimble cipher]

Sylky#5506 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[fluid sphinx]

yes, really

[sleek tundra]

No it isn't, that's something a person with zero knowledge on game design would say

[sand fiber]

they're dependent on the context but aren't subjective

[finite summit]

But is it better than OP 2.1?

[carmine crest]

yeah, really. some people like to have fun with games, some people prefer a back-breaking challenge. balancing difficulties for the many types of players is a necessity

[sleek tundra]

The vanilla games objectively have better balance

[carmine crest]

if you just cater to one extremist you lose out on the others, and for some games that's all they need, but it's going to shy a lot of potential players away

[opaque parrot]

Couldn't say it is

[spring abyss]

cof cof average easy mod for dark souls player cof cof cof

[carmine crest]

i have never and will never touch a souls-like game in my life

[finite summit]

"Game balance" is a myth created by those who have a severe skill issue

[sleek tundra]

That doesn't mean a game is objectively good, it just means it attracts more players. You're looking at this from the eyes of a company CEO

[spring abyss]

yeah, kill a seva dude with 1394149 shoots in the head is fun af

[storm kernel]

some devs on board

[opaque parrot]

Remember when you could just have fun and actually relax playing an interesting game? Nowadays it's all rushing across the maps and trying to finish them ASAP or it's all about competition

[finite summit]

Unless you have a taste issue of course

[sand fiber]

you can define whether the gamedesign is good or bad based on the developers intentions

[spring abyss]

i still play for relax and fun

[fluid sphinx]

objective interpretations are based on assumptions of what's good and bad which is in itself subjective

[sand fiber]

the thing you're talking about is subjective preferences, taste

[carmine crest]

exos i can understand but SEVA suits no way lol, that's a glass screen, that bullet is going right through it. games were initially designed to be fun & i am a firm believer that they should stick to fun first and foremost and profit secondly

[sleek tundra]

That's called taste, it's not the same as objective

[sand fiber]

aaand some other things i believe but i won't get into it

[spring abyss]

glass screen made of steel and dreams

[fluid sphinx]

objective interpretations are based on one's taste

[sleek tundra]

Game balance is the most objective thing in game design, you can't get more objective than that

[storm kernel]

has any one bought the physical deluxe edition jet

[carmine crest]

the scientists have x-ray eyes so they can see through the steel

[fluid sphinx]

there's no way to define what's objectively good and what's objectively bad because there's no such thing

[sleek tundra]

Yes there is, good balance is better than bad balance

[hazy helm]

in europe

[sand fiber]

stop your meaningless mumbling

[finite summit]

There is no such thing as a "game balance" only skill issue of the player

[spring abyss]

no way, cocK is absolute good, 11\10 igM

[fluid sphinx]

different people have different definitions of "good balancing"

[spring abyss]

[sleek tundra]

A game objectively has bad balance if, say, endgame gear is bad and expensive while gear the beginning is good and cheap. There are other factors but that's objectively bad in most scenarios

[storm kernel]

did u buy it ?

[hazy helm]

of course not,a friend,however did,he's German

[sleek tundra]

You don't look like you studied game design since you're saying absolutely everything is subjective about games, which is hilariously wrong

[finite summit]

Wealth issue

[fluid sphinx]

whilst it's a far fetched example, one can argue that they enjoy the fact they are bad and expensive hence making it good in their eyes

[sleek tundra]

I'm two seconds away from selling your intestines on the black market

[storm kernel]

im german too and i would want to buy it but i got scammed a few times so i would love to see reallife pictures of the contents

[finite summit]

I tried that already but they said they don't want that crap.

[sleek tundra]

That's their own preference, then, but it's objectively bad. One could like burned food - completely roasted - but it's objectively bad compared to well cooked food

[spring abyss]

I studied, just to come to the conclusion that for an Italian to step on turtles only is balanced if it's fun

[hazy helm]

no real life pictures,only the PR provided ones,see gamelegends

[fluid sphinx]

no it's not, what you're defining as objectively bad is based on your subjective opinion

[storm kernel]

sad can maybe ur german friend send some pictures ?

[finite summit]

subjective = objective

[sleek tundra]

Your logic depends entirely on delusional stuff and subjectivity, by that logic why should we review games?

[fluid sphinx]

reviews are entirely subjective you clown

[spring abyss]

to know that ign is bad

[finite summit]

We shouldn't review games by any logic

[sleek tundra]

But they could be objectively correct

[fluid sphinx]

just because there's no objectivity in art it doesn't mean you can't value someone else's take on a game, what are you 12?

[spring abyss]

my average reviews: this game is trash, you should play it now

[sleek tundra]

Games are a very different form of art, you can't judge it exactly like painting or making statues

[finite summit]

Games
art

[sleek tundra]

A game could objectively have better balance, someone could dislike it, sure, but it'll be objectively good

[finite summit]

It can't

[sleek tundra]

@sand fiber Little help?

Handle this while I mock minorities

[finite summit]

Nozar's opinions are invalid

[hazy helm]

the preorder will go out when the game is close to releasing,he will recieve the stuff when it releases

[frail spire]

The balance is up to whatever the game wants to railroad the player into

[sleek tundra]

It depends on the context, sure, but what if the balance is screwed in a game like stalker or fallout?

[frail spire]

Unbalanced stuff is also part of the mechanics

[finite summit]

Shouldn't there be difficulty levels to make the game "balanced" for every level of skill issue

[spring abyss]

I don't know what is balance at all, I can spend all day shooting a hecu soldier and he doesn't die or lose 95 damage to a shot by a replica soldier and still find it fun

[storm kernel]

aahh ok is the game still in development or ist it in a stop because ukraine war

[frail spire]

Not everything is made to be viable, not all guns are good against everything, no armor is good against everything.
Etc etc

[carmine crest]

still developed, just a little slower

[finite summit]

I remember setting the difficulty to max in Fallout 1 and suffering every time I entered combat due to severe skill(in-game skill) issue

[frail spire]

People need to stop trying to make everything viable when it's bad game design

[spring abyss]

makarov only run players : wow thats fun

[finite summit]

dead chat xd

[storm kernel]

good too hear are they planning to devellop some where els than ukrain or are they staying

[sleek tundra]

Are you using GMOD or half life as an example?

[frail spire]

Since if "everything" is balanced then the game will never be able to past a certain point

Because going past certain point may invalidate certain choices

[carmine crest]

I think some are outside of ukraine and some are inside, I'm not 100% sure how they've got it working out

[sand fiber]

We can criticise things in art relative to author's intent. That's what critics do.
You can, of course, criticise relative to those beliefs and taste of yours, but that's a bit meaningless
Also you can criticise the intent itself.

[frail spire]

Which instead of becoming a selling point it becomes a constraint

[spring abyss]

half life on very hard, the hecu soldiers take a lot of damage to die, still the game is fun

[sleek tundra]

I agree, but that's not what I was going for. What if an armor is expensive and bad but another armor is cheap and good? Wouldn't that qualify as objectively bad?

[sand fiber]

So, basically yeah, balance can be good or bad for reasons

[finite summit]

Argument rejected

[finite summit]

reasons like?

[sleek tundra]

But then we can reach points where we don't know what the author's original intent was besides the game's description and genre tags

Therefore we can't criticize it in any way

[frail spire]

Again, if an armor is expensive but bad in comparison to cheaper ones whats the problem?

[finite summit]

I think GTA Online had an issue where old cars were cheaper and outperformed newer cars that were recently added and costed more

[sleek tundra]

It makes the armor irrelevant

[frail spire]

CS armors stand as proof of how you may even want to skip certain stuff

[finite summit]

Can we criticize anything at all?

[sleek tundra]

Get the hell out of here

[finite summit]

Cope

[sand fiber]

Author's intent is usually derivable from the game itself, you are able to analyse and dissect a piece
In a way it's not even author's intent at that point, but involving Death of Author in this stupid argument would be too much, although it's important

[frail spire]

You say the armor is irrelevant but is it in comparison to other armors?

Having certain items being better than others will always exist since those are there to act as crutches

[spring abyss]

I don't think the balance counts that much to crush the game, doom is fun as hell and the flesh consumed is a hell of a lot difficult and good gameplay always stands out

[sleek tundra]

That's true, but you can balance them in other ways

[finite summit]

Solutions: don't have items

[frail spire]

No, some people are just straight up bad and need stat sticks

Like, I always use the example of using the ecologists suits because I just need to not get shot

Like, ecologists suit can even be considered unbalanced

[carmine crest]

they have pretty bad endurance and break apart easily though don't they

[finite summit]

Don't all suits?

[solid dome]

Nozar's opinions are as broken as Amazon's CDN few days ago

[frail spire]

If you step on anomalies and get hit by bullets sure

[carmine crest]

depends how much you're getting shot i gues lol

[sleek tundra]

With balance I don't mean literally perfectly balanced so every item has the same stat and cost

[frail spire]

But the eco suit makes you pretty much impervious to anomalies

[fluid abyss]

The Zone fears the naked loner, for they fear no anomaly or mutant

[frail spire]

And in CoP it's a suit with 5 artifact slots

[carmine crest]

if you play enough stalker you dont even need bolts

[frail spire]

Yeah bolts are a crutch

[finite summit]

I think you can only get 5 artifact slots if you fully upgrade it

[frail spire]

Yes but the eco suit can be upgraded into having 5 slots

[finite summit]

And you can't fully upgrade anything until you reach Pripyat

[frail spire]

While most other suits are stuck at 3

[sleek tundra]

When do you get it, what's the price, and is it good for bullet protection too? You need to ask yourself all those questions when designing a balanced armor system

[sand fiber]

i wish there were more moments like the electra tunnel at cordon

[finite summit]

I don't think there is eco suit in CoP. Aren't you talking about SEVA suit?

[frail spire]

I can simply get artifacts that lower damage
Hence why the unbalanced stuff also plays as part of balance

[finite summit]

Taste issue

[sleek tundra]

Just say it's the condom suit

[sand fiber]

it actually requires bolts and is kinda a puzzle

[carmine crest]

same thing, every suit with a screen is a scientist suit in my eyes

[frail spire]

Like, having unbalanced stuff is also a design choice

[sleek tundra]

Some systems could be unbalanced on their own but mixed with other systems, make good balance - that's a very good argument

[finite summit]

you can solve that "puzzle" without using any bolts: just watch the anomaly long enough to memorize it's movement pattern

[sleek tundra]

But I'm comparing the balance of a system overall with the other systems around it, not on its own.

[sand fiber]

yet another trace of stalker having huge imsim potential

[carmine crest]

contrarily the one in the agroprom underground needs at least 1 bolt, unless you want to lost 85% of your health

[sand fiber]

[sleek tundra]

NLC 7, I swear

[sand fiber]

no i will not fall for it

[carmine crest]

make nlc7 hypnosis video

[sand fiber]

stalker mods never contained don't contain and won't ever contain any gamedesign and actual thinking involved in their making

[finite summit]

I think the SoC was closest game in the series to being imsim. The latter games kinda lost the potential.

[sleek tundra]

I can mention one example that shows you how close NLC is to immersive sims

[sand fiber]

CoP was definitely more into RPG elements, that heavy accent on quests, feel like they were looking towards Fallout while making it

[frail spire]

So yeah, talking about balance is pointless until we see how things will work

[sleek tundra]

Problem is, I don't know if it'll count as spam

[sand fiber]

you can dm me if you wish

[sleek tundra]

Good idea

[frail spire]

Also devs can update it and get the new version up instantly

[finite summit]

I thought that they took Fallout as an inspiration as soon as I saw the intro slides(resembled F3). Oh and also Myron(F2) reference.

[frail spire]

Because its not like back then where once the game was released everything that was broken stays broken

[sand fiber]

Remember those very early CS concepts? Those where they got like a literal supermutant design-wise?

[finite summit]

Morloks?

[sand fiber]

idk their names but i recall those concepts being heavily fallout inspired

and i think that would sum it up, CS-CoP devteam were huge fans of the games

[sleek tundra]

Fallout reference?

[finite summit]

I think there were also 2 cut unique weapons that were referencing Fallout with their names

[sand fiber]

welp

[sand fiber]

all the stalker devs always had good taste

[frail spire]

Considering how long those games took to make its no wonder they ended up playing other stuff mid development

[finite summit]

Also isn't Gauss rifle design inspired by the OG fallouts?

[sand fiber]

ehhhh

gauss was in stalker since the original OL, so i doubt

[finite summit]

Okay. Maybe a bit far fetched

[frail spire]

You also have gordon freeman

[left saffron]

Guys, please help. I may be a little dumb, when I click pre order ultimate phyiscal ed, it says it comes out the 8th of December?
The link only takes me to "game-legends.de"
Do I just gotta wait for ultimate ed?

[frail spire]

So yeah, bunch of inspirations from many places, as it should

[finite summit]

found the cut gun
https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Bozar

[frail spire]

Ah that abomination

[finite summit]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/.223_pistol too

[sand fiber]

i'd make a statement how they were inspired by old imsims like deus ex and so they should've been inspired by them more but i won't since i forgot the source

[finite summit]

Can Fallout 1 be considered an imsim?

[sand fiber]

nah it's just an rpg

i mean those cross in a lot of places

yet no

[finite summit]

It's just that I remembered how many ways there were to destroy Mariposa

2

[sand fiber]

[finite summit]

You could kill everyone manually.
You could ask BoS for help and kill everyone manually with allies.
You could hack into a terminal using science skill and cause self-destruct.
You could guess a button in a terminal and cause self-destruct.
You could steal an access card and cause self-destruct.

[sand fiber]

me do not go there it will lead to us trying to define an immersive sim

[finite summit]

Basically 2 ways to kill everyone manually and 3 ways to cause self-destruct

[sand fiber]

we're not ready for this

[finite summit]

Yeah better not touch that topic

[sand fiber]

you're so nice to talk to when you aren't trying to be toxic

[finite summit]

Why does Wikipedia reference Gone Home in an article about immersive sim?

[sand fiber]

wait what's that

[sleek tundra]

Ah yes, fallout 2. The only game that gives you over 10 different ways to finish a quest and only 2 are peaceful

[finite summit]

Basically a game where you wonder around a house, read notes, listen to memories/monologues of a protagonist while trying to piece out a "Life is Strange" style story

[sand fiber]

interactive story video game so what a visual novel

[sand fiber]

so a walking simulator

[sleek tundra]

I can't believe they copied open world games like that

[sand fiber]

btw this line

The term "immersive sim" may also be used to describe the game design philosophy behind the immersive sim genre, which uses interacting, reactive and consistent game systems to create emergent gameplay and a sense of player agency.[5][6]
is just beyond

basically "immersive sim is when a game is immersive sim"

[sleek tundra]

Beyond what?

[sand fiber]

y'know, beyond, the client for Space Station 13

[sleek tundra]

My god, how come I never knew this?

[finite summit]

#💬┃en_offtop message

[sand fiber]

indeed

[sleek tundra]

We need to quote messages to show others pictures, 1984

[finite summit]

The very first definition of an immersive sim I ever heard was "a game that simulates a world living and changing on it's own without needing player involvement" which is extremely far off what literally every subsequent source told me

[sand fiber]

oh god

do you understand that line is one of stalkers original fundamental concepts

like i believe i read prof saying literally that about how they wanted stalker to be

it's why a-life exists and like

[finite summit]

If I'm not mistaken they decided to abandon a much more capable A-Life because they couldn't find a way to pair it with satisfying player experience

Or maybe they just didn't have enough time

[sand fiber]

a-life is too complicated to talk about, you would need to dissect the whole development basically

it's not like a single mechanic

[sand fiber]

more like a defining concept from which they moved for a huge variety of reasons

[finite summit]

From what I heard retail A-life is limited to travelling between locations and residing at smart-terrains(camps) from time to time.

[sand fiber]

gulag system

[finite summit]

Well afaik they had an idea of NPCs being able to take and complete sidequests and story missions which not only sounds outrageously difficult to implement but also can destroys player's experience

[sand fiber]

yeah, as i said, a concept, a direction rather

[finite summit]

Post-communist developer syndrome

[spring abyss]

this is something that I don't understand, how the first paranoia and you are empty manage to have so many things similar to stalker, menu, movement and atmosphere when they were released almost at the same time?

[sleek tundra]

Dead chat, now I can't mock stalker and praise NLC

We're truly living in the dark ages

[scenic phoenix]

:(

[sleek tundra]

Well, such is life in the stalker discord server

[amber tendon]

So sad

[inland dagger]

hey i got my role only one of it tho

[worldly cargo]

Whos getting collector edition?

[delicate chasm]

how do you benefit from that information?

[spring abyss]

its the terminator, he get that information from skynet in the year of 2095 when the skynet nuke the world bc stalker 2 was never launched

[delicate chasm]

how do I join skynet... it's not worth it without S2

[spring abyss]

you can donate your brain to the robocop program

i already do that and they give 5000 bucks

[delicate chasm]

I wanna donate my brain to the X-labs for psi-field testing

[spring abyss]

you can have two jobs for your brain

[delicate chasm]

so they turn me into a controller or something

[spring abyss]

i also a scientits on the big .MT

[spring abyss]

no, only a cool brain in a big jar that trigger a two minutes counter

[sleek tundra]

Who'd win, big MT scientists or ecologists at yantar

[spring abyss]

eco dudes got guns and they can call strelok and the ukraine army to kill they enemies

[finite dragon]

True

[worldly cargo]

Come with me or they’ll be……. Trouble!

[arctic escarp]

Dude if cazadores ever ended up in the zone they'd probably kill everything in there

[spring abyss]

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

burer be like : kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[finite dragon]

lol they're more funny than scary

[arctic escarp]

Burers can be beaten by walking around a corner, they're not really scary

[jaunty mason]

just realized that I may have left the Burer in X-18 alive

I killed the pseudogiant, but I may have forgot about the Burer

[arctic escarp]

Ah yes, the classic pseudogiant in the sewers trick

[spring abyss]

in fallout the mutants and creatures got used to living in the place amid the radiation, the zone is such a fvcked up place that not even our mutants got used to living in it, most of the anomalies are as lethal to them as they are to us. this says a lot about fallout, stalker and society

[arctic escarp]

Fallout: 200 years later and no one's tried to rebuild or even clean up a little

"I just really love living in scrap shacks"

[finite dragon]

true babies have microplastics in them now

[spring abyss]

stalker: THE FVCKING ARMY WITH ALL THE TECHNOLOGY CAN'T EVEN REACH THE CENTER OF THE ZONE, this says a lot about society

[spring abyss]

😎

[arctic escarp]

Haha, wish granter go brrrrrr

[spring abyss]

in a nuclear war I would only be vaporized and if i survive I would get cancer and be chill. the zone is a much more fvcked up threat, it can copy you, mess with your head to make a zombie and worse, turn you into a monster, and even send you to the gay gulag

[finite dragon]

isn't that just any gulag

[spring abyss]

no, in the gay gulag you have to watch tik tok and the only food is pink sauce

[finite dragon]

i like tik tok but not pink sauce

[spring abyss]

you're already in the gay gulag

open your eyes

[finite dragon]

lol slavs and tik tok and some forced labor

[spring abyss]

and a lot of slurs

and of course the only social network is VK

[finite dragon]

wth vk

[spring abyss]

a russian social network

i got my account there bc i in the gay gulag too since 1999

[finite dragon]

nice ima hit the sauna

[spring abyss]

💀

[finite dragon]

en_stalker is now en_gay_gulag

[spring abyss]

[finite dragon]

I love Russian saunas ngl you sauna and eat and drink

[spring abyss]

look at the stalker cocK discord

[arctic escarp]

Lol I used to have a VK account just cause I was following a guy who made Garry's Mod models

All the Anomaly I've been playing lately really has been making me wanna make some STALKER stuff in Gmod

[inland dagger]

why does every artifact have +2 radiation in call of pripyat?

how am i supposed to use them

[amber tendon]

there are artifacts that mitigate radiation

[inland dagger]

ah got it

[amber tendon]

also radiation doesn't kill you immediately

so stock up on food and meds and you'll be fine

[inland dagger]

yeah i know that but it sucks having to drink vodka every 30 seconds

[amber tendon]

you don't need to drink it

just eat to restore health and if you lose health too quickly drink vodka or use anti rad

[sleek tundra]

No idea, stupid artifact system

It should've been like SoC where artifacts had negative side effects that aren't just radiation

[inland dagger]

any idea if a mod fixes that?

[hazy helm]

it doesnt

[sleek tundra]

No

It's funny, you know. Hundreds of mods but less than 5 are objectively good

Well, mot good, great

[hazy helm]

mot good

[inland dagger]

mot good

what armours do i need to go into the tunnels that lead into pripyat?

is a exo suit fitting?

or do i need a SEVA suit?

[hazy helm]

any suit with the closed breathing upgrade on it should suffice if memory serves me right

[hazy helm]

the suit needs "a closed cycle respiration module" in specific

[inland dagger]

does a exo suit have that?

[sleek tundra]

NLC reference?!?

[sleek tundra]

No, just suits that look like SEVA

[hazy helm]

I dont think so, you do need a seva

[sleek tundra]

I mean, think logically

A closer breath or cycle suit would have an oxygen tank

Nevermind, stalker sui has one but it doesn't qualify

[hazy helm]

heheh

[heady hollow]

Is there a way to purchase the physical ultimate edition in The Netherlands? It seems the approved retailer only ships in Germany 😦

[sleek tundra]

No

We've had this discussion a million times now

[heady hollow]

Very sad, sorry to bring it up again. Sure hope it beats the Survarium packs from a few years ago 😄

[tulip maple]

Mmmmmm so stalker 2 in the first half of this year

So between January to june?

[amber tendon]

wait Survarium had physical edition?

[heady hollow]

A whole bunch, bought them all. They kinda sucked, but crates badges and flags were nice

[amber tendon]

oh right

[heady hollow]

https://survarium.fandom.com/wiki/Founder_packs

I think the most OG collectible is the CNPP coin from Stalker series. Very hard to get hands on

[amber tendon]

I miss the 2013 survarium tbh

[heady hollow]

Freeplay soon

[sleek tundra]

?

[heady hollow]

Survarium is FPS, but the big promise was a Stalker-esque freeplay mode with semi persistent sessions.

Never got past the FPS part, but always kept promising stuff to keep players waiting for the real experience. Got banned 2y in for asking every few weeks 😄

[hazy helm]

?

Survarium was a freemium game not freeplay LMAO

[heady hollow]

Very curious what multi-player will be like for HoC

[hazy helm]

dude it aint freeplay at all

[heady hollow]

Freeplay = game mode

[sleek tundra]

Stalker isn't freeplay though?

[hazy helm]

it wasnt freeplay,I would know I played survarium,quite a lot in fact,it was a freemium Pay2Win game focused solely on multiplayer matches like team deathmatch it has NO freeplay bones in it

[heady hollow]

Will HoC I did not say it had...

[sleek tundra]

Neither games are freeplay

Stalker didn't have freeplay either

[heady hollow]

A lot freer than Metro or Survarium for sure

[hazy helm]

you spoke about Survarium and then started saying it was a lot freeplay

[sleek tundra]

That's called open world, not freeplay, different things

[heady hollow]

No I did not, it was the main promised game mode... that's what I said.

[sleek tundra]

Are you using anomaly as an example or something?

[hazy helm]

I mean the moment you introduce an overarching plot or hard objective you need to get to it stops being freeplay

[heady hollow]

'Freeplay' is how Survarium called their 'promised' game mode.

I am not referring to a game genre. I am sorry if I am confusing you, just trying to stick to how they called their mode.

To add - they said it would be like stalker, hence why I said 'stalker-esque freeplay mode'

[sleek tundra]

Don't have much hope then, not sure why they'd use stalker as an example

[heady hollow]

I'm not sure what you mean, I don't really play Survarium since 5yrs. I thought they cancelled Freeplay long ago?

[hazy helm]

all that came out of survariums hopes was one mission,on rails,with very blocky AI,that no one wanted to play
it was there to farm items and cash basically

that mission had no freedom whatsoever

[heady hollow]

Similar to Metro they had some GSC devs... makes for good marketing pitch, and man they even beat X-Ray in building a buggier engine

[finite dragon]

Merc VS Deg,go

[hazy helm]

Im expecting S2 to be closer to SoC than CS or CoP tbh,when it comes to gameplay tbh

[heady hollow]

Multi-player also brings a cool premise

[hazy helm]

I expect and hope its like the old games,maybe add a progression system framework thats closer to the old good CoDs or TF2,but thats about it

none of that SBMM crap,not a word of Battle Passes or Special Currencies you can buy,just simple gamemodes you can select on your server browser

[heady hollow]

Battle Royale though? On the one hand it can be very shoddy, on the other it'd be very cool in living world

[hazy helm]

no battle roayle

you want another battle royale?are you coocoo?

[worthy lagoon]

Play "Fear of the Wolves" if you want BR

[heady hollow]

[hazy helm]

nha Fear of the Wolves SUCKS HARD,

[sand fiber]

do they differ? all of three can be described as positional shooters

[worthy lagoon]

That's why i said it

[worthy lagoon]

I'd say more of CS

[hazy helm]

they all differ massively on gameplay tbh,CoP balancing and gameplay was completely different from CS and SoC

[hazy helm]

one can hope,one can hope

[worthy lagoon]

Ask Mol1t, it's not like he will probably troll you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/598839640476352525.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[hazy helm]

@glossy blade is Stalker 2 gameplay going to be closer to Shadow of Chernobyl,Clear Sky or Call of Prypriat?

[hearty vigil]

Because it’s virtually same devs making a game on an engine based on X-Ray 2.0?

[amber tendon]

funny :)

[dry imp]

oh Kuro you silly little guy

saying things like this makes you get into trouble

[finite dragon]

can i continue to explore free the map after the eding of SoC?

[hearty vigil]

No.

[finite dragon]

wait.... whaaaat?

[hearty vigil]

You can’t turn back after you get to CNPP, there is no level transition back to Pripyat.

[finite dragon]

there is a way?

[sand fiber]

Why would you want to do so?

[finite dragon]

with mod ZRP?

[hearty vigil]

There isn’t, not in the original game anyway.

[hearty vigil]

Well you asked about SoC, not a mod. There is no way to do that in SoC, and each mod changes different things.

I am pretty sure it’s not just ZRP but dozens of other mods. But point stays — unless you modify your game, no way to go back after CNPP.

[sinful sphinx]

Guys i wanna preorder Stalker 2 but the physical copy

The stalker2 site takes me to gamelegends.de but it only delivers to Germany, Austria and Switzerland

[amber tendon]

Yea well right now they are trying to solve it,
you're not the first

[cedar tiger]

Does the game have a release window yet?? I wana preorder but don't want to commit until then

[sinful sphinx]

Oh okay then tyy

[amber tendon]

2023, release date to be announced soon.

™️

[cedar tiger]

Soon™️

[amber tendon]

I preordered it and stopped marking my calendar

[hazy helm]

2023

[sand fiber]

gamers never learn

[cedar tiger]

Need me those extra campfire tunes.

[kind belfry]

hey! quick question. Will stalker2 be on GeForce Now?

I don't have enough money to by a PC that can run the game, if it's certain that it will be on GeForce Now I will preorder the game

[sand fiber]

S2 will be on Gamepass, so you probably will be able to play it with XCloud

[kind belfry]

lemme see if we got xcloud in my country 😅

we don't

[sleek tundra]

Not a good reason

Get out of here, purist. You're going to lose subscriber

MF judged an entire 100+ hours long mod based on the first 5 minutes, bro didn't even finish the tutorial

[worthy lagoon]

Well, in CoP there is, they ask you if you want to stay or leave

[hazy helm]

Well we were talking in shadow of Chernobyl

[worthy lagoon]

Release is probably before the end of June, my bets are on April

[worthy lagoon]

I know, i just wanted to point out that CoP is the only one with such thing

[amber tendon]

I just hope we get that bread

[worthy lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1034121377671807016.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[tidal shale]

e

[hearty vigil]

I don’t need to, I am not interested in shit fans do.

Neither should be anyone tbh.

Modding is the cancerous ulcer of stalker community that the humanity would be better without.

[ember moth]

words of someone who never played a mod ^

[hazy helm]

There are good and bad mods,the quantity of good mods is simply dwarfed by the quantity of bad ones

[worthy lagoon]

You're exaggerating, there are a lot of good mods out there, i think one key factor of why STALKER and many other games are still alive it's also because of modding

There's no need to be toxic about it

[hearty vigil]

I though better of you Black, blue role revoked.

[hearty vigil]

I’d take niche group of people who are actual fans and know a lot about the games over what’s currently happening to the community any time.

Because when it’s full of people playing games so radically different that they’re barely related by anything other than setting, it becomes absurd.

Modding is the reason there can be no in depth dev history or lore discussion.

[worthy lagoon]

That's not true lol

[hearty vigil]

Would the games be less popular without it? Sure. But it’s so much worth it.

[worthy lagoon]

That's pretty much your opinion

[hazy helm]

I go by assumption that everyone who isn't new has already played the original games at least once,and that anyone that is talkin about lore and Dev history is talking exclusively about the games,I think that's the basic

[hearty vigil]

You know that’s not the case, there are lots of people going straight into mods skipping original games.

[hazy helm]

a vocal minority I would like to believe

[worthy lagoon]

There also mods which goes in depth lore of the cut content or Roadside Picnic, like Goldsphere

[hearty vigil]

And even when people say they played original games, turns out they played some shit like reclamation projects, graphics mods or even starter packs.

[worthy lagoon]

And what are you gonna do about it? Force them to not play and create new mods?

[ember moth]

mods will allow us to use CS HUD in S2, its necessary Evil

[worthy lagoon]

Anyone can create the mods they want

And play whatever they want

[hearty vigil]

Unfortunately, yeah.

[worthy lagoon]

More like fortunately

Because I don't want someone to tell me what to do

[hearty vigil]

This cancer cannot be stopped.

[ember moth]

You need a license that proves you played 2000 hours of the three games to get mods

[worthy lagoon]

Maybe, the toxicity and the excessive gatekeeping in this community is the issue, instead of discussing but without being toxic

[hearty vigil]

Gatekeeping is necessary evil, otherwise you get what we currently have.

“IM SUUUUCH A STALKER FAN I PLAYED THROUGH SOC WITH AA2 AND DEFEATED ISG IN ANOMALY”

[nimble cipher]

street cred#4937 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[worthy lagoon]

Try being a toxic gatekeeper and i can assure you GSC will agree with banning you from this server

[ember moth]

This unironically TBH

[worthy lagoon]

A lot of people left because of some people being a toxic gatekeeper, unironically, one of the people that left because of this is Kev

[ember moth]

Who

[hazy helm]

I know like 1 person,and it was a big loss,I still miss Kev

What use is there to post cat pics,if I cannot annoy and pin kev everytime I do it?

[finite summit]

You're welcome

[inland dagger]

well fellas i did it i beat the entirety of stalker games on master

except clear sky fvck clear sky that shit is ass

[finite summit]

skill issue

[ember moth]

clear sky is the best game

[inland dagger]

game issue

SoC and CoP are good games

[ember moth]

they are all good games bro

[inland dagger]

clear sky is poo poo

[inland dagger]

hell naw gun play in clear sky is wonky af

[hazy helm]

Based toad

[hazy helm]

you my friend are not qualified to speak of CS matter

[ember moth]

Thats why you aim and crouch and repair your guns

[inland dagger]

clear sky has the worst gun play

[inland dagger]

and enemies dont die

bandits have the same hp as exo suit monothots

[ember moth]

wrong

[hazy helm]

You literally didn't leave the swamp,you didn't even finish the Faction War tutorial

[inland dagger]

cause guns are poop

[ember moth]

You probably think the leather jacker is useless too

[hazy helm]

You didn't even take time to learn the game or give it a chance,you defaulted immediately to "this is bad",so your opinion isn't worth much

Clear Sky be good

[inland dagger]

i dont care 😎

atleast we call all agree that anomaly is the worst

[hazy helm]

Neither does anyone about your personal opinion on CS

[inland dagger]

i know

😎

[worthy lagoon]

You are just here to let others cope

[frail spire]

give bad opinions
opinions are challenged and proven to be bad opinions
get mocked for bad opinion
m-muh gatekeeping

[amber tendon]

Does Kev still make videos?

out of curiosity

[worthy lagoon]

Maybe

[amber tendon]

Personally I didn't know the guy but I kinda feel like constant flow of gatekeepers wasn't the only reason he left. In the end you try to argue or convivence them that they were wrong

and then another guy appears that thinks his critique should be base line for anyone's opinions.

[worthy lagoon]

The toxic gatekeeping is the issue

[amber tendon]

They get annoying but you don't have to argue with every single one of them, that's what I wanted to say

[worthy lagoon]

By toxic i mean going as far as insulting and doing such things, which is punishable because it is not a very respectful thing to do when talking to others

[finite dragon]

Steps out of Hind D
Hello Peoples

[spring abyss]

sup

[finite dragon]

Sup homie from Duty

[spring abyss]

hey bro

wheres is your npc info?

[finite dragon]

npc info?

[spring abyss]

name, loadout, dialogs and stuff

to put on call of chernokyl

[finite dragon]

alright I write it to you
In your server or in dms?

[spring abyss]

in the server

[finite dragon]

I just pre-orderd stalker 2
yay

[dry imp]

i personally would wait but good for you

[scenic phoenix]

Helloo

[arctic escarp]

Yeah I don't recommend pre-ordering anything

I learned that lesson in the hardest way possible

[scenic phoenix]

I think I will wait until people do like reviews or gameplay vids and then I might buy

[dry imp]

well no its just because i would wait for a release date to be announced

[arctic escarp]

My policy is usually to wait a year or two for the game to come down in price, and typically by then all the DLC will have come out and they'll release a "complete edition" with all of it included for 20 bucks less than the launch price

[dry imp]

💀

[arctic escarp]

#bargainbingaming

[sand fiber]

just pirate it lol

[dry imp]

yeah literally just pirate at that point

[arctic escarp]

What if I actually like the devs and want them to keep making games though?

[dry imp]

buy it later

[finite summit]

Didn't we talk about promoting piracy already?

[dry imp]

like you said. but pirate it at first. you're already planning on getting it discounted much later

[sand fiber]

1. that's not how devs get their money
2. you literally seek the lowest discounted price to buy the game

[arctic escarp]

Oh well

[finite summit]

You might as well just wait a couple of years until EGS gives away the game for free

[arctic escarp]

And you do realize unit sales also determine whether people keep their jobs right?

[dry imp]

yeah they're technically losing money discounting the game through steam anyway because they have to pay steam to have it up on the store

[dry imp]

not really? they dont work on commission

[finite summit]

Do they?

[arctic escarp]

That's not what commission is, commission is getting paid per sale

[sand fiber]

it really depends, and doesn't justify you paying more money to a megacorp publisher that absuses and fires its workers if they don't meet a quota

[dry imp]

exactly

[finite summit]

doesn't it?

[dry imp]

thanks me

[finite summit]

you're welcome

[dry imp]

you shouldve said "you're welcome?"

[finite summit]

?

[spring abyss]

I'm going to buy the game to say I bought it, then I'm going to pirate the game to put mods without steam checking and I'll make cock 2 the heart of chernokyl

[dry imp]

two different game directories

[arctic escarp]

Is it really a true STALKER experience if you're not running some slavjank mod that could potentially be a trojan virus?

[scenic phoenix]

😱

[spring abyss]

stalker 2
stalker call of tampico 2
only one of them is good

[dry imp]

thats right folks its me

[sand fiber]

oh actually jank is a nice term to describe most of the early mods

[finite summit]

as if the current mods aren't jank

[arctic escarp]

The only healing items are JUICE

[sand fiber]

they try to hide that at least

[spring abyss]

my mod be like 😎

[arctic escarp]

I don't get the appeal of Gamma honestly, it adds so much fluff that just kinda bogs the pace of the game down

[spring abyss]

shut up bro you play anomaly

[finite summit]

Based

[arctic escarp]

I play vanilla Anomaly with a few mods, that's it. I've got the Takov mags and health system and the HD models and that's it

[finite summit]

Not based

[arctic escarp]

The stuff that Gamma adds is way too extra

[spring abyss]

@mortal parcel say the word bro, gamma >>>anomaly

[scenic phoenix]

Gamma is alr I guess, but I can't run it at steady 20fps

[arctic escarp]

The biggest turn off is not being able to buy weapons from traders, screw that

[spring abyss]

gamma also have fixed some anomaly systems

[dry imp]

and added additional bad ones

[arctic escarp]

If I go out there and grind out 50K roubles for a rifle then I'm gonna buy the damn rifle

[last pine]

Stuff that every single mod adds is "way too extra"

[scenic phoenix]

real

[arctic escarp]

My Anomaly setup right now is in that nice sweet spot for me, not too complex but not too simple

[sand fiber]

i wish western stalker community gets obliterated

[spring abyss]

every mod needs to do that, my adds junky quests 😎

[dry imp]

so what's Zap's quest

[spring abyss]

be writed by tampic

[finite summit]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. gets cancelled

[arctic escarp]

I'm in your game and there's nothing you can do to stop me fro modding it

[dry imp]

oh

[sand fiber]

Would be so based

[dry imp]

oh, right

[spring abyss]

[dry imp]

i literally just replied to that twice what the hell

[arctic escarp]

He's losing it, the zone has touched his mind

[finite summit]

speech issue

[spring abyss]

its zap, they want to exist

[dry imp]

my mind is creating a Zap personality

[spring abyss]

even the shenn got a npc

[dry imp]

he wants out

[spring abyss]

By the way, I already created an side quest arc for shenn quest that involves the shaman, as I still don't know the work of your npc if its is a artifact hunter or else, I still haven't set up his side quest arc

shenn need a unique armor and only shaman got that, but only sylky knows where shaman is

and the thing that I liked the most was doing quests without marked points, only the objective of item recovery

[scenic phoenix]

The flaps

[sleek tundra]

Stalker games are worse than NLC, change my mind

Again, you're judging the ENTIRE modding community of a game based on one or two bad apples and 10 freaking minutes of a random mod that does almost everything better than the vanilla games

[finite summit]

Taste issue

[sleek tundra]

Opinion issue

[arctic escarp]

I can't go back to vanilla STALKER at this point, Anomaly has too many nice QoL features

[finite summit]

Like 30min animations every time you use a bandage?

[arctic escarp]

Lol if 3 seconds for a bandage animation is too long for you you must have ADD or something

[dry imp]

whats NLC

[arctic escarp]

Makes things more tense when you're in the middle of a fight and have to find time to bandage your wounds while getting shot at

It's less fun to just press a button and boom, you're instantly not bleeding anymore

[sleek tundra]

The best way to look at it is a reimagining of Stalker SoC

[dry imp]

i partially agree with this. thats why the healing animations were interesting in like Metro.

[sleek tundra]

It has all the maps from SoC and CS + some of its own, Jester made an amazing review on it if, for some reason, you like reading

[arctic escarp]

I really wish Anomaly would've taken more ideas from Metro, like being able to take your gas mask on and off with the press of a key instead of having to manually equip it in the inventory

[sleek tundra]

I really wish Anomaly would've taken more ideas from good games.

[dry imp]

ehh, no.

[arctic escarp]

Would be nice if you don't have an armored mask so you don't have to worry about it getting damaged in a fight

[sleek tundra]

Mandatory question for people who talk about anomaly: have you played the original games? If yes, which ones?

[arctic escarp]

Clear Sky and SoC

Played like 10 minutes of CoP then just kinda forgot about it for some reason

[finite summit]

CoP was the most polished one but much less ambitious than SoC

[arctic escarp]

So I've heard

Clear Sky kinda felt like a weird experimental thing where they wanted to try stuff that they couldn't implement in the other games but still didn't do it quite right

I really hope the faction war system is more fleshed out in S2

[dry imp]

💀

[sleek tundra]

The what now?

[dry imp]

there isnt going to be one

[sleek tundra]

Clear sky had one but it wasn't too deep

Funny blue guys go to trenchcoat dudes for war, it was like a mini C&C you can't control

[arctic escarp]

Would be cool to see Sin make an appearance in S2, maybe as the main antagonists or just skulking around in the backgorund

[dry imp]

would be cool if the game were to be good

[sleek tundra]

Would be cool to see NLC mechanics in S2

[finite summit]

C&C but you are an NPC

[hazy helm]

it wouldn't

[arctic escarp]

The Strelok fight was straight buttcheeks though