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[dry imp]

when is "finally"

💀

[hazy helm]

See you next year then

[rocky trellis]

like... 9 months or something? 😂

it's basically already here

[dry imp]

maybe

[rocky trellis]

sec... when did stalker call of pripyat come out? I'll check that...

2009

it has been over a decade of waiting, just 1 more isn't going to be big deal, right? As long as it doesn't get cancelled again

Also just found out how big difference is between 50e and about 100e gaming mouse. Massive. No joke I'm 100% certain aiming just became significantly easier, can't wait to actually use it in stalker 2.

[hazy helm]

A mouse is a mouse

[rocky trellis]

Yea... but the accuracy has a huge difference. I prefer using high mouse movement speed so I don't have to swipe my hand around the entire desk to move 180, even at relatively high speed can pretty easily move a single pixel. On my old mouse that just wasn't possible, even when doing tiny movement, the mouse just didn't move, or when it did this a bit larger twitchy movement

and no joke, aiming is much easier when aiming at longer distances.

of course, doesn't really affect close/mid range much if at all

[hazy helm]

I use 20 euro mouse's so that I can use the money in my actual computer hardware

[rocky trellis]

fair point, but not really doable when you have a deck

[hazy helm]

Thankfully,I used the money and got a RTX3070 with a Ryzen 5 3600

[rocky trellis]

either way, never really cared much about performance and graphics past certain point. It doesn't really affect the gameplay much at all. But for relatively low price was able to reduce much frustration I've had with "okay" quality mouses.

[steep fiber]

Is there anyone I can ask something about the current event here?

[glossy blade]

Yup

[hazy helm]

It's less about "muh graphics" and more about future proofing my pc so I can play games for the next 5-6 years comfortably at the very least

[steep fiber]

Because I think I deciphered 3 of the encrypted messages or whatever that is

[glossy blade]

I can not help you with this one, secrets should be kept you will know if you are right, that is for sure

[rocky trellis]

ahh... kinda forgot about that part. never been much of a worry for me since AAA games rarely end up being what I want anyway. Finally next year coming some actually good games I want to play and needed an upgrade lol... but past 5 years? didn't feel like I needed much of an upgrade even when using relatively old PC that was mediocre when I got it.

[steep fiber]

But I mean.. what do I do with the codes? 😅

[last pine]

decode them

[hazy helm]

It's less about triple A gaming nowadays more that indie games are either the most optimized or the least optimized things I've seen
Some of these are also quite impressive visually and of system reqs
I usually play indie and double A games with old Trip A games

[steep fiber]

That's what I did, now they are combinations of numbers and letters

[rocky trellis]

oh right... any idea if the game is going to run relatively well on steam deck? don't expect to run max, for sure not, but surely the game would look at least relatively good on it?

[hazy helm]

Well I don't think so,not just run well on performance but on controls as well
But the steam deck as surprised me before and I would be very pleased if it did it again

[rocky trellis]

planning to play on desktop mode anyway, so doubt controls going to be an issue

can't imagine playing fps on controller lol

[dry imp]

it will probably be optimized for steam deck

[limpid salmon]

to destroy freedom, you must first join freedom

[rocky trellis]

more freedom is less freedom

[limpid salmon]

any freedomer could be an IMPOSTER

freedom is sus

[hazy helm]

I'll be surprised if the game is optimized at all

[dry imp]

ill be surprised if the game comes out

[rocky trellis]

well there is the for free in it

[limpid salmon]

making a good amount of money (I'm selling freedom their own equipment from their dead soldiers)

[rocky trellis]

But what if there's nobody to sell them to?

[limpid salmon]

Ashot is too high, just like his prices

[steep fiber]

The prices are low and the equipment in his shop is great if you join freedom

[limpid salmon]

cant join them yet

[steep fiber]

Playing Clear sky I assume?

[hazy helm]

Better be

[steep fiber]

People don't like it as much for some reason unknown to me. Clear sky was the 1st stalker I played

[finite summit]

It was very action-focused and didn't have those cool underground moments

[steep fiber]

That is actually the reason it was my 1st, I was young and scared of the underground

[limpid salmon]

yes

it used to run bad the first time i tried, no image and such

[dense drum]

Merry Christmas. Peace for all nations and happiness for all people.

[dry imp]

Merry Christmas. Peace for some nations and happiness for a select few people.

[limpid salmon]

Merry Christmas. Peace and happiness for Duty . Everyone else can cope

[delicate chasm]

Smells like duty copium

[spring abyss]

based dutyum

[carmine wolf]

Merry Christmas to the devs and everyone else. The latest announcements tone and likeness to real world events was not lost on me. My heart goes out to the team and the families whose lives have changed so much in the past year. I hope your time is spent well with family and friends. Cheers and Merry Christmas🎄🎁

[finite dragon]

A developer of stalker just died in bakhmut protecting his country. He was a good stalker. Rest In Peace Volodymyr.

[dry imp]

no he didn't

its a fake reddit post with literally no evidence

[finite dragon]

Would you like some screenshots?

In dms

Like 20 outlets reported on it

[limpid salmon]

no way

[dry imp]

because of the one post 💀

of course they would report on it, it makes clicks

[finite dragon]

Well now i have no clue whats real

[dry imp]

thats the internet for ya

[finite dragon]

Fair enough. Big V is still alive good to hear

[dry imp]

once an official announcement comes out i'll believe it

only GSC truly knows

keep in mind this literally happened several months ago

and it was fake

people just like stirring up chaos because everyone nowadays believes everything that goes into their ears

[finite dragon]

Most of the ukraine war is reported via dodgy info. It’s just so hard to accurately collect info on the massive numbers of small skirmishes and attacks

Especially when one side keeps doing the dumbest and most unbelievable shit ever. So nobody knows what to believe

[sand fiber]

Tampico when he spreads misinformation on the internet

[dry imp]

the reddit post is literally spreading misinformation 💀

send me one article with an actual source

[finite dragon]

is there anything debunking it or saying otherwise

[dry imp]

is there even a source?

🤓source?

[finite dragon]

Most of the sources are from kiev news outlets so idk

[dry imp]

like i said GSC themselves will probably make an announcement if its real

[finite dragon]

AH I SEE

the og source is the RT telegram channel

[dry imp]

the what

[finite dragon]

The least reliable source of information in the world. Its a russian propaganda outlet

[dry imp]

told you

[finite dragon]

Russia TV. They post such dangerous and dumb shit that they’re banned in most of europe now

I occasionally turn on a vpn and read their news for the laughs

[sand fiber]

It originates from a Facebook post on his page, and why the hell do you think GSC mentioned death of a person in their post today?

[finite dragon]

Didn't realize they posted, isn't that a source

[dry imp]

they didn't

its a stalker story thing they always have been writing

[sand fiber]

A stalker story with four parallels to the current war, yeah dude

[dry imp]

[dry imp]

what? its literally just a story

not everything has a parallel

[finite summit]

I think it's a direct reference to him

[sand fiber]

someone can't do a base reading of a text

[dry imp]

that's literally not how that works

[dry imp]

thats sort of disrespectful to reference him without an actual announcement i would say

[balmy hound]

People I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas. It's not the happiest one for some (many) of you, but it might be one of the most meaningful and useful, even like if it's just a day off to take some rest.

[finite dragon]

If it is true it's probably up to the family to make it public I would imagine

or when to rather

[dry imp]

idk maybe

but i dont believe it yet

like i said this literally happened before and someone even made a fake id for it but that didn't blow up as much for some reason

[finite summit]

I think if it was false someone would disprove it already

[dry imp]

someone would prove it too

[sand fiber]

those damn sirens across the Zone
even monolith joined to help defend Zone
i had to go to big land to move family somewhere safe
your brother joined the military and without him and them zone's mysteries wouldn't have mattered

yes tampico surely it has nothing to do with it

[dry imp]

i honestly dont see a connection to the current situation at all

its literally just zone lore

[finite summit]

I think the part about a freedomer who died in Yanov(Yezhov's face was used for Loki) is the most important part

[sand fiber]

yup

[dry imp]

you're also the same person that thought someone was a "nazi" just because some guy told you without a legitimate source

so it makes sense that you believe this

[finite summit]

when did that happen?

[dry imp]

i think before you were here idk

[sand fiber]

There was an argument about whether or not creators of фотограф are nazis

[finite summit]

I'd be surprised if they weren't

[dry imp]

[sand fiber]

They are, got proved in ua chat somewhere

[dry imp]

when is this new info

before you couldn't find a single source

[finite summit]

I can try and look for the sauce

[dry imp]

i bet more stuff has come out since then

[finite summit]

but should I?

[dry imp]

kinda seems like the thing people would go and dig stuff up

[sand fiber]

Would be very nice, because i don't want to bother Fenomen with this shit

[dry imp]

idk up to you

anyway i'll believe the dead dev thing once a more official announcement comes

[sand fiber]

believe what
Death of a dev? Source for it is his facebook page, and it alligns with GSC's post, not my fault you can't do the most basic reading of a text

[finite dragon]

okay so it's not "just" a facebook post - it's his facebook profile?

[dry imp]

its just a story and you over analyzed it. its literally hints to S2 lore probably

[sand fiber]

Yes

[finite dragon]

seems like the poor guy is dead i don't see why not.. when stuff is fake people are usually pretty fast on reddit/twitter to post that

[sand fiber]

they should teach media analysis in schools smh

[finite summit]

I thin I found something
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq_UICzs2tw

[sand fiber]

thank you very much

[dry imp]

💀

[dry imp]

i cant read this, what is this related to

[finite summit]

It's about creators of F.O.T.O.G.R.A.F. and all the "hints" in their mods to their political beliefs

stuff like mentioning the "civil war" in Ukraine

[dry imp]

i dont think that was the mod

[finite summit]

and freedom trying to create "Chernobyl Peoples Republic"

[dry imp]

but i honestly dont remember

[finite summit]

that stuff is from other mods fro the same guys

[sand fiber]

It was about golden sphere, same dev

[dry imp]

oh then that makes sense

[spring abyss]

They got me too I'm not gonna lie

[sand fiber]

what?

[spring abyss]

The stalker dev thing?

[sand fiber]

Who they and in what sense got you

[spring abyss]

The dude that died, did he really dies?

[finite summit]

Btw @sand fiber @spring abyss I see you got the cypher hints. Wanna advance through the event?

[sand fiber]

Yes he did

[finite summit]

unfortunately yes

[sand fiber]

Yes

[sand fiber]

a bit stretched out tbh but in ua offtop i totally remember someone proving the statement

[spring abyss]

Yes my lord

[finite summit]

@sand fiber @spring abyss Write to Elhant#1543 and say that you found him via solving a cypher

He'll ask you questions

[spring abyss]

Tk

[finite summit]

Send the questions to me. I'll help with the answers

It'll probably take a while before he writes back since it's 4 AM in here

[spring abyss]

Tk bro

[lofty shell]

merry christmas stalkers, happy holidays

may the wishgranter bring all of you the best of gifts

[spring abyss]

Merry Christmas bro ⛄

[finite dragon]

Ayyyy happy christmas fellow stalkers, i hope you all find your gift in very useful and/or rare and expensive artifacts soon!

[worthy sorrel]

Oh snap

I just found something in Swamps

[frail spire]

Is it grass?

If so, touch it

[worthy sorrel]

If only, I’d smoke it instead

[finite dragon]

why does wolf not give me anything

[sand fiber]

he's greedy

[finite dragon]

bastard

[wild ether]

CHEEKI BREEKI

[nimble cipher]

conqueeftador#0414 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[sand fiber]

hmhm you won't find bloodsuckers there if you don't explicitly search for them really

[polar fern]

No killmesno

[timid trail]

Merry Christmas 🎄 comrades ☢️

[marsh dome]

small question but do we have an answer on the potential of Stalker 2 concerning modding?

Merry Christmas !

[cobalt magnet]

I would assume it won't be as modifiable due to being a game with a more modern engine and graphics but it will still be

[balmy hound]

The devs are planning to make the modding system more user-friendly. French ? This is an english channel, but Joyeux Noël à toi aussi.

[hazy helm]

Nothing is set in stone but I'm not expecting a ton,I expect a SDK but I find it improbable that it'll be as free as modding X-ray since it's virtually impossible to reverse engenier UE into the source code (compiled UE games don't have the x86 binaries) and since I don't expect the new GSC tk allow ppl to mod the engine and add or remove stuff at such a deep level
As well as due to the troubled development the code may be in such a mess progress is done really really slowly

[timid trail]

So, for my personal experience, since that I’m a 3D animator on Blender, you could possibly make some cutscenes with the help of a simple iphone for facial capture and then import all the stuff in UE5 ez.

There’s so many interesting things you can do

[hazy helm]

Well you can,if you're using source code in your own project,

[timid trail]

Yes,agree

[polar fern]

Modding will be the4e mod things modding fun

[hazy helm]

What

[inland dagger]

guys im stuck in lab X18 after i got the documents that says part 4 on them how tf do i get out?

[finite summit]

kill the fire poltergeist

[inland dagger]

i did it

[finite summit]

did you?

[inland dagger]

yes

[finite summit]

did the door open?

[inland dagger]

something blew up when i threw a nade and yes

[polar fern]

Dooooooor ppen up

[rustic adder]

Any beginner tips for a SoC player going into Clear Sky? So far I've completed the first faction war and the guns all feel weird man even with the PMm basically max upgraded I miss 80% of my shots while the AI hits 80% of theirs

[spring abyss]

Get all the bandages you can get

Trust me you will need them

Also you can find a scope in the big tower in front the cs secret base. Put in your akm-74 it will still miss alot of shoots but it will be better

[sleek tundra]

It's a stalker game, no tips needed

You've already played SoC, not much has changed

If you want money, hunt for artifacts. Anything else could be fixed with money

[spring abyss]

My man is sidorovichy

Also, do all your war quests bc they won't be there forever

[rustic adder]

Oh yeah I've learned that the hard way

[rustic adder]

A scope would be amazing. If I screenshot the map for you, think you could mark on it the general area where it is? Lmao

[rustic adder]

Are there any requirements for hunting? Cuz so far I've found zip. Also do they regenerate or are there a fixed amount in the world? Cuz if limited quantity then I'd be too scared to sell anything

[rustic adder]

So far the only side mission I'm having trouble with is the "find upgrade" ones? I don't know what to do there

[sleek tundra]

1. Yes they regenerate after emissions
2. Detectors I believe

[spring abyss]

In a box in the big tower go there and find out

[spring abyss]

Do the ramdom npc task and buy the stash's from them

[sleek tundra]

Unlike SoC, you find artifacts in fixed locations

[rustic adder]

Box, big tower, somewhere in the west of the map. Got it.

[spring abyss]

No, do you remember that big tower when you get out the cs base when the faction war starts?

Before the war it was a renegade point

But them the cs captured it

[dry imp]

this is very true

[rustic adder]

My brain is very smooth so I don't remember remember, but I remember that the war started with us holding the Fishing Village so I'll look around that.

[spring abyss]

I show you the pic later, hold on

[rustic adder]

No pressure. Not having extremely accurate directions is part of the STALKER experience lmao

[sleek tundra]

It's even funnier since quests almost always have surgerical accurate quest markers

[rustic adder]

I know. I wish they would change that for 2. I think... Have quest items glow? But instead of marking their position on the map, mark their general area

So you know where to hunt, but you also aren't just clicking every pixel

[hazy helm]

that would be even more obnoxious

the system already in place where you can see the items name when you hold f is good enuff

[rustic adder]

WAIT WHAT

[hazy helm]

its actually the best of its type

[rustic adder]

YOU CAN HOLD F TO SEE DROPPED ITEMS???

[nimble cipher]

The_Individualist#5116 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[rustic adder]

Shut up Wolf

[hazy helm]

[rustic adder]

Also this information would've been better sooner when I'm searching for dropped weapons in the tall grass

[sleek tundra]

No, just make the NPCs tell you where something is at, but not mark it

"I lost my PDA near a gas station in dark valley'

[hearty vigil]

So you do in SoC.

Only exact artifacts may differ, but placement is the same.

[hearty vigil]

Don’t listen to Lord Trashcan. They do regenerate, but you need to spend 2 in-game days on the same location to see them do that. If you leave the location, respawn timer pauses.

Artifact respawn is in no way or form related to emissions. More than that, there are no emissions on Swamps except for the scripted one.

[hearty vigil]

Best tip is explore. There are so many crates with hidden loot in every corner, you don’t want to miss them. Lots of meds and ammo.

[spring abyss]

Yeah, just do the quests to take time and come back there later with a fast travel by talking with a guide npc

The fast travel prices can be high af some times, so try to get close to the location that you want to go

[hearty vigil]

They’re ok within the same location.

[spring abyss]

Yeah

Its funny bc on cop its free, true communism

[ruby quarry]

Although the Stalker 2 footage I’m seeing is very impressive

And I really like the UI of the game
That’s really my favorite thing right now

I still don’t have high expectations for the game

[hazy helm]

what footage

[ruby quarry]

The trailer

[finite summit]

those 2 seconds?

[ruby quarry]

And the 1 second footage

[ruby quarry]

Yea

[hazy helm]

thats not real game footage

[ruby quarry]

That 1 second footage is

[hazy helm]

that was the error of a intern at TGA,not footage

Geoff has fired this intern,he shall not leak Stalker 2 images

[worthy lagoon]

Out of all the things you had to say the HUD

[ruby quarry]

Isn’t the trailer pretty close to what the gameplay will be?

[hazy helm]

not at all

[ruby quarry]

But the HUD is just so clean

😩😩😩

[worthy lagoon]

Too much minimalist

[frail spire]

trailer is gameplay accurate

[hazy helm]

thats Exaclty my problem why so clean?

[ruby quarry]

Aw what?

[frail spire]

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
XAXAXAXAXAXA

[nimble cipher]

ArgenAnon#7418 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[finite summit]

I'm not a fan of the icons and health/stamina bars design but after replaying CoP I take my words about the compass back

[hazy helm]

[rustic adder]

And then have a notes section in your journal and write down those tips

[worthy lagoon]

CoP doesn't have a compass though, except the minimap one

[ruby quarry]

Well it helps you focus on the game more with it’s atmosphere

[dry imp]

are you off your meds again

[finite summit]

Although I would like the compass to take up less space

[worthy lagoon]

Doesn't trilogy already do that?

[ruby quarry]

But still helps you know vital things

[rustic adder]

[sleek tundra]

You can walk around shooting everyone and throwing grenades while taking little damage?

[finite summit]

Yeah. I noticed that minimap does seem to help a bit

[worthy lagoon]

I am sick of that simple design, it's everywhere

[hazy helm]

SoC CS and COP had colourful and interesting UIs that still let you "get immersed" as the westerners say

[worthy lagoon]

In every single game

It's so boring

[dry imp]

you are very gullible

[frail spire]

Give artifacts changing your hud

[hazy helm]

americans when the game has a ammo counter and doesnt allow the FOV to go up to 120 (its no longer immersive)

[sleek tundra]

If I wanted to focus on the game I'd disable the HUD myself

[finite summit]

But then you don't know when you are bleeding/hungry/need medkit

compromises

[frail spire]

Why not tie hud clutter to suit tiers

[hazy helm]

mfs think you need to completely disable everything to be immersed in a game when being immersed simply means being in full focus
you can focus on every game regardless of HUD and UI elements
I can be immersed in a TF2 multiplayer game despite it being full of mechs and futuristic tech

[frail spire]

Dunno, have high tier suits have more measurment devices since magical high tech

[hazy helm]

I cope I cope

[ruby quarry]

I’ve always thought the Scorcher was the Duga

[frail spire]

Then again that sounds like making an actual effort

[sleek tundra]

Western players when they don't get cancer from cigarettes (immersion destroyed)

[ruby quarry]

Apparently it wasn’t

[finite summit]

I heard that US newest NVG(ENVG-B) will unironically have actual HUD and show where your gun is aiming

[rotund fox]

That's a great idea honestly

[frail spire]

Instead of just making the most barebones hud possible and call it "immersive"

[hazy helm]

the true balkan player wants cigerretes ingame to match their crippling addiction to nicotine IRL

[ruby quarry]

They kinda canceled that anyway

[finite summit]

did they?

[ruby quarry]

Sorta

[frail spire]

They did because it sucked ass

[ruby quarry]

They won’t make it that every soldier have one of those sets anymore

[frail spire]

Like any attempt of the military to gameify war so they can use neets as soldiers

[finite summit]

well, at least it was cool in theory

[frail spire]

[rotund fox]

Leather jacket + balaclava = 0 hud, not even a basic health, stamina and ammo counter
Bulat suit set = all the info you could ever want and need and then some

[ruby quarry]

They just gonna give them to super tactical super soldier special forces

[rotund fox]

That's already a thing it's called an IR laser

Well not the hud part but yea

[polar fern]

New hud is good old hud was good too but at night it just didnt fit you know

[finite summit]

iirc the purpose of ENVG-B was to get rid of IR lasers since they show your position whenever the enemy has NVGs too

[ruby quarry]

So will the Marsh creature actually make their return in stalker 2?

Instead of just regular bloodsukers with different textures on them?

[rotund fox]

The last time the US faced a peer opponent was almost a century ago

[polar fern]

Only confirmed new mutants is a horse thingy a deer thingy and bayun

[finite summit]

We need to fix that

[ruby quarry]

Come on it should be that hard to add back the marsh creature

[hazy helm]

the wah?

[rotund fox]

And even then it was with help from the whole world pretty much

[ruby quarry]

They just need to make the green bloodsucker to be strong af

[sleek tundra]

Racism

[rotund fox]

Americans are afraid of actual nations who can stomp on their feet so yea

[ruby quarry]

Marsh creature

[hazy helm]

do you mean the bloodsucker swamp boss

[ruby quarry]

A stronger type of Bloodsucker from Clear Sky

[ruby quarry]

They are just bloodsuckers from the swamps

[hazy helm]

yhea,I know
theyre fineº

[ruby quarry]

No need to call them a boss

[polar fern]

700 billion is a lot man

[rotund fox]

?

[ruby quarry]

The way the marsh creature grab that duty guy and leaps away with him is really cool

[polar fern]

Devils of the wild hate em

[ruby quarry]

I want to see that in stalker 2

[hazy helm]

you said it needs a new model
I dont really see why

[leaden adder]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sleek tundra]

Proof or never happened

[hazy helm]

I think he worked at 4AGames currently and worked on Stalker Clear Sky

[sand fiber]

sceptics when they can't click two links at a news website

[cloud nymph]

anyone wanna play Call of Pripyat?

[sleek tundra]

Too lazy to look it up

[mental cipher]

I've just read about it rip 🤍

[rustic adder]

What happened?

[sleek tundra]

Iraq armed forces

He was killed in action

[mental cipher]

He was killed at Bahmut by the Wagner group

[rustic adder]

I want Putin to play STALKER and then change his mind about going to war against Ukraine

[polar fern]

The dev that died was loki in COP

[worthy lagoon]

Only thing that Putin deserves is to be left in a bloodsuckers lair

Unarmed

[mental cipher]

Love that idea

[hazy helm]

it was his face in CoP and his contribution in CS,the best stalker game in the series

May he rest in peace

[polar fern]

He also worked in cossacks,alexander and some other things

[hazy helm]

he shan't be forgotten

[sleek tundra]

He's Russian, he'd probably leave without a scratch

[worthy lagoon]

Why? Lol

[sleek tundra]

He's Russian

[frail spire]

He would assert dominance and create a harem

[worthy lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/657579158314024969.png?quality=lossless&size=48

[polar fern]

@polar fern

[rustic adder]

@polar fern

[remote karma]

@polar fern

[polar fern]

Who called me

[remote karma]

i did

i wanted to say
hello :3

[polar fern]

🍉

[remote karma]

❤️

[sleek tundra]

Pumpkin

[polar fern]

🛂

[inland dagger]

my rads keep going up in SoC

idk what it is

[carmine crest]

an artifact on your belt?

[inland dagger]

go to en offtop for screenshot

[solid dome]

I will. STALKER 2 will be the ordinary generic pew-pew to have no new game +, infinite amount of skins no one needs, harsh political messages, no gore and... @sleek tundra did I forgot something?

[solid dome]

You going 2 radical

[sleek tundra]

Woman

[solid dome]

Woman entered the Zone?

[amber wind]

Is this true?

[hazy helm]

Krezzin jokes
We have no idea about anything in the game except what GSC have told us

[amber wind]

Alright

[solid dome]

It's a theory, far from joke

[amber wind]

It seems like it could be true, it’s how many games have been turning out these days.

[solid dome]

We live to see if true or not, most likely not entirely true but like half-true so to say

[amber wind]

Likely.

[solid dome]

We need to rebuild our world @amber wind

[amber wind]

Hm?

[solid dome]

Filter out the crap and do better

[amber wind]

Yes

[solid dome]

And bring back our voice channel

[amber wind]

Did they remove voice channels

[solid dome]

Free speech, son

[amber wind]

There are no voice channels

[solid dome]

Our FM radio was ripped off, for that crime they should pay

[amber wind]

Retribution for the radio

[sleek tundra]

The elderly are rioting again

I'll get the tazer

[sand condor]

i heard someone from gsc dead is that true

[sleek tundra]

Yes, killed in action

He was a good man, what a rotten way to die

[hazy helm]

From what I know,he was a 4AGames animator that worked on GSC

[nimble cipher]

Wipergone#5027 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hazy helm]

He worked on CS,the best stalker game so,may he rest in peace

[sleek tundra]

He worked on clear sky

[sand condor]

what a pointless war

[sleek tundra]

I don't want to be that guy, but it does have a point strategically

Multiple points if anything, I'm surprised Russia didn't start the war sooner

[sand condor]

i mean in the first place

[spring abyss]

Wanna hear a weird thing about that war?

[sand condor]

what language would you want uk or english

[sleek tundra]

Arabic

[spring abyss]

Spanish

[sand condor]

for the game

[hazy helm]

jokes on you can somewhat understand spanish

[spring abyss]

Spanish

[sand condor]

no

[spring abyss]

They use some words of Portuguese but the meaning is completely different, thats crazy af

[spring abyss]

Yes

[sleek tundra]

Russian

[hazy helm]

well they're "mostly" the same and if they aren't you can somewhat get what they mean,I have also acclimated to it since I live close to Spain and saw Spanish Tele

[spring abyss]

Hehehe i see

But you know, as a Brazilian it was easy to me to learn English than learn Spanish and i not even good in English at all hehehehe

[polar fern]

Vc ja levou chifre?

[spring abyss]

Get out here

[remote karma]

You puty puty maidy outfita now puta???

[polar fern]

A bit unpopular opinion for like 10 people here but i think stalker 2 will be really good everything i saw from it seems great the devs clearly love the game and are active with the community the lore we were revelead till this moment wich was more than expected looks very good and the gameplay trailers including the game awards trailer look real and not like atomic heart where every "gameplay trailer" has everything perfect while stalker 2 had things that are part of a real game like the looting animstion being "faulty" for example

[finite dragon]

Hello,

I hail from Germany.

[spring abyss]

Stalker 2 it's not a game dude, it's a concept

We will never see him, maybe in 2099

[remote karma]

Honestly i agree

[polar fern]

Tu é paulista num é cale se

[spring abyss]

Howdy ho

[spring abyss]

Portugues todo fudido de roceiro

[finite dragon]

hello dutyer

[remote karma]

What's up lad

[spring abyss]

How are you?

[polar fern]

Cala a boca que tu mora no interior do acre

[polar fern]

🍉

[remote karma]

Melo😋 😋 😋

[spring abyss]

Tem água onde tu mora pelo pelo menos?

Deve ter nem saneamento básico

[finite dragon]

I am good... hey what is your favorite stalker game?

[spring abyss]

Cs

[polar fern]

Isso ai realmente é comum nao ter em varias partes dessa desgraça

[finite dragon]

cool. Mine is SoC and clear sky is rank 2 (with SRP ofc)

[spring abyss]

Faz o L que melhora

[spring abyss]

Good

[polar fern]

Minha cidade faz o 22 mas o estado faz o L ai termina o prefeito e o governador numa briga por obra onde os dois fica. Tirando o adesivo do outro e botando o da prefeitura/governo estadual

[finite dragon]

u shoot bandits?

[remote karma]

Hmmm
SoC for the CNPP part

[finite dragon]

understandable

[spring abyss]

Relaxa do jeito que tá ainda, com pec da gastança eo STf aumentando o salário do judiciário em 18% ano que vem nenhuma obra vai se concluída em todos os lugares

[remote karma]

I dress them up in maid outfits
The life of a femboy ecologist

[spring abyss]

Always

Free loot

[polar fern]

Eu odeio meu estado mas nem tanto a minha cidade mas mds como que pode toda figura ruim brasileira ter nascido aqui

[finite dragon]

sad... but shouldn't you kill the weed adicts?

[spring abyss]

Eu gosto do meu Estado, mas a pessoa mais inteligente do meu Estado é provavelmente um mico leão dourado da cédula de 20

[hazy helm]

I don't want to act like a cranky old man neither do I want to act like a blind fool but from what I've seen and what I know from how the ppl that work on it talk,I'm cautiously optimistic

[spring abyss]

Yes we shoot them too

[hazy helm]

I don't want to be doom and gloom all the time,that would be no good

[polar fern]

Pessoa mais inteligente do meu estado so os politicos pq sabem aproveitar a burrice do povo

[remote karma]

What If You all kissed on top of the CNPP
Frens? :)

[spring abyss]

Haha

[spring abyss]

Marked one, whathell??

[finite dragon]

I couldn't Imagine a better place for a kiss.

but I need to know who I kiss...

[remote karma]

Hey hands off sid he's mine

[hazy helm]

Strelok

[spring abyss]

[finite dragon]

then I'd rather jump streight down.

[remote karma]

Me

[hazy helm]

look at him,beautiful guy

[finite dragon]

I don't know you.

[polar fern]

Proximo a falar é gay

[remote karma]

Well
-femboy
-ecologist
-airsofter
-romanian
That's it

[polar fern]

La ele

[spring abyss]

This remind me of a coc mod that add a female bandit that was actually the Kenny wife model from twd game

[hazy helm]

he's a Femboy

[spring abyss]

My woma is already Anna bt

[remote karma]

I dont understand

[polar fern]

Gay with extra stepz

[spring abyss]

[finite dragon]

ok nice
-Hetero
-Bandit
-shoot peoples kneecaps for fun
-I like people that can kill things without thinking about moral

[hazy helm]

learn Portuguese
Read Os Lusíadas

[remote karma]

Respectable

[finite dragon]

ya

[remote karma]

Im learning greek

[spring abyss]

Where Homer my homie

[polar fern]

Eto nye moe papa,mama gadye papa? Thats the only sentece i think i can form in russian

[remote karma]

Well You see, im straight

[finite dragon]

noice

[polar fern]

Than you aint boyfen thing

[remote karma]

Im special and Goofy so

[finite dragon]

he into femdom maybe?

[remote karma]

Femdom?

[polar fern]

Fem domination? Did i get it right?

[spring abyss]

ANNA

[finite dragon]

IDK I am trying to find a logical sense of what he saiys

[spring abyss]

HIP aurora?

[hazy helm]

This is not my mom,dad where is my mom?

[finite dragon]

wut?

[polar fern]

Wouldnt it be asking where his dad is not mom?

[spring abyss]

At least he will not get lost from his parents in russia

[remote karma]

Im a semi-femboy (only wear femboy stuff at airsoft) and straight

[finite dragon]

Based

[spring abyss]

The man above me, freedom react him

[polar fern]

Thats even gayer because youre in the presence of a lot of men

[finite dragon]

doesn't sound like a lot of protection... well my bandit jacket isn't a lot of protection either.

[remote karma]

Sus

[remote karma]

Sus

[remote karma]

[finite dragon]

Average hl2 beta fan ngl

[remote karma]

Real

[finite dragon]

good oppinion fellow bandit.

[remote karma]

Now kiss

[spring abyss]

This reminds me to not search for half life stalker lore

[finite dragon]

I'd rather jump into an anomaly

[hazy helm]

Yha I switched both sorry,read it wrong,btw it's not gadye it gdye

[polar fern]

Thanks

[remote karma]

Doesnt Hurt me so much while wearing shorts and knee high socks over long Johns

[polar fern]

If you aint gay why wear it

[remote karma]

Why not

[finite dragon]

PrOtEcTiOn

[remote karma]

Trying out new things

[finite dragon]

(I make hl2 beta vocoders)

[polar fern]

Because it looks gay and sounds gay and is quite gay

[spring abyss]

+10 psy protection

[remote karma]

Ok

[remote karma]

Real

[spring abyss]

M-y a-s-s i-s h-e-a-v-y

[remote karma]

ME

[finite dragon]

HL is the adventure with gordon Frypan... yes?

[remote karma]

Ye

[polar fern]

EMMĹØÝŔŘ-ÆĞĂÌØ

[nimble cipher]

RightPsychology#0728 has been warned

Reason: Capital letters

[spring abyss]

Yeah but it did not end well, freeman was found dead in the wild zone-Ukraine

[finite dragon]

Cokbine > Frypan

[remote karma]

What
Bing chillinger?

[finite dragon]

and then changed his name to scar.

[polar fern]

ÆERA

[spring abyss]

His gone dude, scar is Adrian Shepard after the valve forget about that opposing force exist

[finite dragon]

The game where the aliens turn off the ability to sex

[remote karma]

Someone Tell me what is this goober saying

[finite dragon]

he is speaking zombie (from Stalker)

[spring abyss]

You need to play faplife, is a fan game about the naughty adventures of alyx

[polar fern]

ĞFĶ§ŁF

[remote karma]

No horny

[spring abyss]

🚿

You will not resist 3 seconds on this game

[remote karma]

I cant resist duty head

[spring abyss]

[finite dragon]

[remote karma]

[finite dragon]

No.

[spring abyss]

Yes

[polar fern]

Mama gdye moe papa?,TI moe mama?

[inland dagger]

im playing SoC right and i was thinking abt clear sky and how it takes place before SoC so should i have started playing clear sky before SoC?

[remote karma]

Whahuh?

[spring abyss]

I cam hear that with the stalker army recruit voice

[finite dragon]

What if gay

[finite dragon]

no

[inland dagger]

ok

[spring abyss]

It's not, it's just alyx having fun

[finite dragon]

too much fun in this case

[remote karma]

Me

[finite dragon]

Not what I meant

[nimble cipher]

RightPsychology#0728 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[polar fern]

People need to make more faction songs theres only 1 faction sing and it is [1984] about monolith being friendly

[finite dragon]

Nah, good call on starting with SoC

[inland dagger]

yeah cause i just figured i should by the date they were released

[hazy helm]

no CS assumes you have already played SoC and uses elements of gameplay and story elements from it

CoP assumes you have played both

[inland dagger]

ok good

[hazy helm]

playing the stalker games by the release order is the correct choice

[spring abyss]

And stalker 2 assumes you have played anomaly

[inland dagger]

anomaly poop

[spring abyss]

Anomaly is a anomaly

[hazy helm]

dont make me get on a boat Brazilian

[finite dragon]

Not a fan of gamma or anomaly

[remote karma]

And Anomaly assumes You like pegging

[spring abyss]

We don't have boats here, they cost to much for us

[finite summit]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-stalker2-anomaly-explaining-fov-gif-22384734

[inland dagger]

embed fail lol

[finite summit]

darn

[spring abyss]

😎

[hazy helm]

Imma portuguese you know how we are
dont worry
I'll find you

[remote karma]

L

[spring abyss]

[finite dragon]

[spring abyss]

Imagine, a anomaly fan playing stalker 2 and game is not about die every 2 seconds and have to watch the 3 hours long animation to eat bread

[remote karma]

You like it? Come here

[spring abyss]

[finite dragon]

I played a good few hours until I realised it's a fetch quest and junk collector

Nothing beats SoC A.A 2.1 for me

[remote karma]

[polar fern]

The empire of brazil was one the greatest empire of its time it had good diplomacy a good leader and a powerful military

[spring abyss]

Its basically the 40-90s US, we even got cool warcrimes against child soldiers on Paraguay

[polar fern]

Paraguay sent the child soldiers they were active combatants and a small hard to hit target the brazilian military proved its powet fighting such sturdy soldiers

40-90s us i much better than whatever we have in brazil now

[remote karma]

Great en_stalker talk

[spring abyss]

Hold on we get there

[remote karma]

Oh oki

[finite summit]

A better example, although not an empire anymore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples_in_Brazil

[spring abyss]

And them one Brazilian goes to Ukraine and got a son and his son name was streloky bc they are other baby there named strelok and they fought it was a cool name

[polar fern]

Most of the genocides were comitted by non governamental forces and were past the monarchy also if i ignore it it didn happen

[spring abyss]

Streloky one day goes to the zone, they and didn't do nothing important but it by his stash that strelok got one vodka

[remote karma]

He got mutant head

[spring abyss]

And painfully dies

[remote karma]

L skill issue

[polar fern]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Brazil brazil never lost a war brazil numero um campeao do mundo

[remote karma]

Ok guy

[finite summit]

Yeah, well. Independence of Urugway wasn't prevented (un)fortunately

[spring abyss]

Don't worry, Uruguay is part of Brazil

[polar fern]

Uruguay serves as our military trash bag we just give em any military thing we dont want anymore

[finite summit]

Cancellation of Uruguay when?

[last pine]

Wow

[solid dome]

I'll tear the chat apart, derail the chatrain... when do we expect the Xbox event to happen?

Mid January?

[hearty vigil]

Nothing beats SoC without AA 2.1 for me.

[spring abyss]

Also, do you guys think that stalker 2 will come to playstation 5?

[past coral]

I think its an Xbox Exclusive for now.

[potent bluff]

I heard that it only exclusive for 3 months for xbox, after that it release for ps

Its just a rumor

[spring abyss]

Noooooooo

The Sony dudes are coming, we will give you a rifle or a ammo belt, if the man with the rifle in front of you dies you get his rifle and reload it with your belt

[potent bluff]

For Soviet union uraaaa

[spring abyss]

That's the spirit brother uraaaa

[solid dome]

Turdstation 5?

A year or so after release, maybe. Sony can suck the pony.

[spring abyss]

[spring abyss]

Man stalker in a console, that idea itself still sounds weird to me, i neve imagine that one day this would ever happen

Well more money for the GSC

[finite summit]

well they were originally planning for a stalker game on Xbox 2(ended up being a 360)

but then they turned it into Clear Sky

in terms of story at least

[spring abyss]

Clear sky? You mean CHAD SKY?

[finite summit]

yeah that

[spring abyss]

😎based me

[zealous pumice]

Any word on a release date

[sand fiber]

no words but a number

2023

[hearty vigil]

It turned into Anarchy Cell that, after countless changes, became Clear Sky.

[solid dome]

And less content quality for fans

[finite dragon]

~ 2022 - 2122

[spring abyss]

[wise karma]

Did a developer actually pass away from the war?

[balmy hound]

Yes...

[wise karma]

damn thats terrible

[exotic hamlet]

Guy who portrayed Loki.

[hearty vigil]

Not S2 developer though, Clear Sky dev. He left GSC 15 years ago.

[hearty vigil]

He did not portray nobody, his appearance was used without his knowledge, he found out about it after game release.

[finite dragon]

So this is like, russian Fallout right

[heavy acorn]

Yeah, it is.

[worthy lagoon]

No

[jolly solar]

just woke up to the articles of the passing. Clear Sky imo was one of more interesting stalker games with all the faction wars and you being able to do faction related missions, it was really fun to do especially camping outside of Agroprom military base to kill endless waves of military on the hill right outside to farm items ;P

[full estuary]

No it's literally grand theft auto but canadian

[viscid mason]

What are your favorite weapons from the game (SoC)

[hazy helm]

No Stalker is a Fast Paced horror shooter with very light survival mechanics

[viscid mason]

Yes

Its not just "russian fallout" Its something more than it.

[hazy helm]

It's not russian fallout to begin with

ATOM RPG fits th role a lot better

[strong drift]

it seems like Russian fallout, but once you get to play it, it feels like your playing the life of an eastern european person

[silk locust]

youre playing the average day* of an eastern european person

[strong drift]

true

[hazy helm]

ATOM RPG?wouldn't say the average person launches nukes against India

[sand fiber]

are you from mandalore

[strong drift]

what

[hazy helm]

well you talked about Russian Fallout

[sand fiber]

i doubt people who actually call stalker fallout ever played fallout tbh

[hazy helm]

they must be confused about what an RPG is

[strong drift]

mate I said it seemed likes it is some Russian copy of Fallout, but when your playing it it's just average day in eastern europe

tf has nuking India got to do with this

[viscid mason]

Its just good game

[sand fiber]

fallout 3 truly raised a generation

[hazy helm]

yhea,which I found strange BC I've never fought against giant talking rat for a troupe of mutant clowns

[sand fiber]

[viscid mason]

If you want to talk about fallout go on their discord

I dont

[sand fiber]

fallout discord real

[hazy helm]

Woe is you BC we talk about fallout in the stalker server a lot

[strong drift]

tf is you on about rn my guy, I was trying to make a joke not actually saying that STALKER is just fallout

[sand fiber]

what's next, planescape torment discord???? baldurs gate discord?????

[hazy helm]

@pseudo rivet tell him why Legion sucks

[hazy helm]

well you said russian fallout,thus you were talking about ATOM RPG not Stalker

[strong drift]

oh ok I got it my gold fish brain is dumb

[hazy helm]

Hahaha

[strong drift]

[pseudo rivet]

Oh, simple, they suck because the devs had to make them competent by breaking the lore, thus making them good enough to compete with NCR

Pretty sad, actually

[hazy helm]

there we go

[sleek tundra]

One is an rpg with fps elements, the other is an fps with (fewer) rpg elements

[sand fiber]

mandatory reminder that ceasar has less INT than a mole rat or whatever it's called

[pseudo rivet]

True

[hazy helm]

Chrew

[sleek tundra]

Daily reminder that the NCR and Caesar suck, true faction is enclave

[hazy helm]

Falsew

[hazy helm]

enclave is the clear sky of fallout
Forever dead

[sand fiber]

compete with NCR you mean like battle-wise?

[sleek tundra]

The enclave is actually based

[viscid mason]

What are you playing guys?

[remote karma]

femboy hooters sim

[viscid mason]

Which stalker

[sleek tundra]

Clear sky is not

[pseudo rivet]

Oh, and the fact they mentioned that, as soon as their commander dies, Legionnaires don't know what to do, effectively neutralizing them

[remote karma]

oh
clear sky atm

[hazy helm]

Of course clear sky

[pseudo rivet]

That straight from the mouth of a Centurion

[sand fiber]

Dishonored 2

[pseudo rivet]

CS

[sand fiber]

SoC

[viscid mason]

Ok

[pseudo rivet]

Yeah

[opaque parrot]

Metro

[viscid mason]

CoP

[strong drift]

i wonder, if Fallout factions and STALKER factions were pinned in a free for all battle royale, who would win?

[sleek tundra]

The good one

[opaque parrot]

[hazy helm]

Well when you consider how actual Romans integrated tribes into their empire and how these legions worked it's just slightly less accurate
The worst thing is that there are no political plots to kill Caesar
But maybe in the actual territories instead of the spearhead army

[hazy helm]

Fallout for a long shot they have plasma and laser tech

[sand fiber]

isn't it the point

to show at what state ncr is at the moment

[remote karma]

roblox and generation zero

[sleek tundra]

Stalkers have artifacts

[strong drift]

so you mean the Brotherhood?

[sleek tundra]

No

[hazy helm]

anyone can grab a laser rifle ding ding

[remote karma]

and me

[strong drift]

true, but i think not every faction in Fallout has some random ass laser rifle stash in their base but I could be wrong

[hazy helm]

You overestimate your brilliant rocks when power armor comes into play

[sleek tundra]

You overestimate access to power armor

[hazy helm]

Even the NCR has laser Gatling guns for their power armor troops

And they are notorious for emulating old gov

[strong drift]

oh yeah I forgot that one Jesus laser gun

[hazy helm]

2 we rolling with FO4 lore?if so even raiders have them,if not?there are 2 factions that issue. Laser weaponry and power armor to regular ass troops

[sand fiber]

brotherhood messed up so even crackheads near the strip can get laser rifles and energy weapons

[hazy helm]

Yhea your stalker clan ain't crap

[strong drift]

oh

[hazy helm]

They boutta die to crack heads

[strong drift]

that one little 8 year old kid mowing down every person they see all because they stole a laser gun laying on a rock

[hazy helm]

Real

[pseudo rivet]

By making the Legion better? No. The point NV tries to make to show NCR incompetence is thanks to the NCR-Brotherhood War, the death of Tandi, corrupt Brahmin Barons and bureaucracy. The Legion being strong for no reason just adds salt to NV's wound

[viscid mason]

Ok

[sleek tundra]

The energy weapons are literally standard issue military equipment

[strong drift]

im starting to feel dumb for not knowing alot of fallout lore

[viscid mason]

I also

Because this Is Stalker discord

[strong drift]

true

[hazy helm]

feeling intimidated by a bunch of nerds means you don't have enuff confidence,stand straight my guy

[viscid mason]

[hazy helm]

it's all Bethesda in the end

[viscid mason]

[strong drift]

damn

[pseudo rivet]

To be fair, the only thing NV does is showing how, by changing their lore a bit, they can make competent factions look really bad, while a faction of tribals has no major problems whatsoever

I mean, think of it like this

[sand fiber]

But the Legion isn't strong, that's the point, they are only able to conquer random uncivilized tribes, they defy energy/laser weaponry as well as the common one (although it's really hypocritical, but again, that's the point), and realistically can't do anything against an actual army.

Only NCR army isn't an actual one, it's in shambles, low morale, low budgets, overextension, no support. The first battle for Hoover Dam was really on-edge.

[pseudo rivet]

NCR questline? Help NCR because they're struggling or something. BoS questline? Help BoS because they're struggling or something. FotA? Struggling. Caesar's Legion? Prepare for war, because they're not struggling?

[sand fiber]

It's not Legion being strong but NCR being weak

[hazy helm]

The legion portrayed in the lore and the legion portrayed by actions in game are very different
veteran NPCs always relay defeats by ambushes,or with the other side having overwhelming numbers
It's very much a Irish war situation,where the IRA was undersupplied but kept destroying the British army with very good ambushes and trickery,they went on to lose every single open engagement they had with the Brits tho

[pseudo rivet]

Made weak for no apparent reason, to be quite honest

Other than to make Legion look competent

[viscid mason]

What are they talking about now? Because I guess I don't understand any of this conversation.

[sleek tundra]

Fallout new political debates

[hazy helm]

We are still talking about fallout new Vegas

[strong drift]

i only understand 1%

[pseudo rivet]

Tell that to Nelson

[viscid mason]

0.1%

[sleek tundra]

I understand all of it and, believe me, I regret it

[pseudo rivet]

Same

[hazy helm]

One of us ONE OF US

[pseudo rivet]

Because NV is a waste of time

[strong drift]

ah yes, politics in a RPG game

[viscid mason]

Go to the Offtop

[pseudo rivet]

No minimod

[sleek tundra]

No

[viscid mason]

I have played first fallout game

[sand fiber]

Well, uh, it's brings up a discussion about NCR's political situation tied into the fact they're trying to replicate prewar american society and all its sins, i believe you already know that

[hazy helm]

Based

[viscid mason]

Its hard as fu**

[sleek tundra]

Skill issue

[hazy helm]

LMAO FO1 is ez asf

[viscid mason]

But Its also good

[sand fiber]

how

[hazy helm]

pathfinder is hard ASF

[sand fiber]

didn't even have to save that often

[pseudo rivet]

I know the know, I also know that, despite all its flaws, it's still the best hope for the Mojave

[sand fiber]

Ye.

[hazy helm]

Independent route mfs when they're overrun by raider with energy weapons again

[pseudo rivet]

But, like, how can tribal duders who lore-wise (AKA not gameplay-wise) only use machetes and tribal medicine even come anywhere near being an actual threat to an actual army with guns

[hazy helm]

The legion canonically Also use guns,they also use trickery and ambushes effectively which is why they were a threat,lore-wise

[sand fiber]

idk if that's mentioned but i think it was part of legion's hypocrisy in that they actually use guns, even if not they can just throw more meat

[pseudo rivet]

Ever wonder how the Legion gets their guns? By killing Caravaneers

[hazy helm]

Game wise?melle builds are OP

[sleek tundra]

They do use guns canonically and gameplay wise, idiots

I'm surrounded by political fools

[pseudo rivet]

The Recruits don't, idiot. They have to scavenge them from those they kill

[sleek tundra]

We're not talking about recruits, we're talking in general

[pseudo rivet]

People with guns, so yeah, I call bs

[hazy helm]

Were not talking politics Buffon

[sleek tundra]

It's video game politics, that's both worse and better

[hazy helm]

Shut up and play Disco Elysium already

[sand fiber]

but we're discussing the best ever written fascist theocracy

[pseudo rivet]

Recruits are the biggest number of Legionnaires and the lowest rank, so yes, we are talking about them

[sleek tundra]

We're talking about the legion not just recruits

[sand fiber]

[pseudo rivet]

You're completely overlooking the point

[sleek tundra]

You said the legion don't use guns, that's like saying the NCR doesn't use power armor

[pseudo rivet]

Before they get weapons, they have to find them

[pseudo rivet]

You're legit mad

[sleek tundra]

Word it better, then. It doesn't matter if the majority don't use guns or not if a noticeable minority does

[hazy helm]

What

[pseudo rivet]

Majority doesn't use guns lore-wise, thus they shouldn't use them

[hazy helm]

dude thats a very bad rebuttal

[pseudo rivet]

Git gud nerd

[sleek tundra]

Then say the majority don't use guns

[sand fiber]

oi crimson do you want to participate in the third gsc's cipher

[sleek tundra]

Don't say the legion doesn't use guns

[pseudo rivet]

Nah

[hazy helm]

I already told you guys WHY the legion is giving NCR a bad time even being underequiped

[pseudo rivet]

Then don't be so autistic and take it too literal

[hazy helm]

And it is a real world answer too

[sand fiber]

stop arguing about the little words and argue about the point, granted the point is shit but y'know

[sleek tundra]

Because the NCR was weakened for no explainable reason besides "they're spread too thin!"?

[sleek tundra]

What's the point? The legion sucks? We know this, the NCR also sucks

[worthy lagoon]

They are both bad

[hazy helm]

look at the conflicts between the British army and the IRA

[sleek tundra]

Every faction in modern fallout sucks writing wise

[pseudo rivet]

I mean, we do know their modi operandi, right?

[worthy lagoon]

Facts

[pseudo rivet]

Recruits at the front, then Prime, then Veterans

[sand fiber]

oi sorry i reread the message you're right crimson should've specified

[pseudo rivet]

Fair enough

[hazy helm]

A never before seen thing happened in STOC
A discussion ending peacefully

[pseudo rivet]

Recruits, the frontline of the Legion, is only equipped with a machete and throwing spears. If they want to get a gun, they'll have to take it from one of their enemies

Since they're the frontline and the most numeral rank in the Legion, most of the Legion shouldn't use guns

And the NCR is struggling against that

Tribal dudes with machetes who use tribal medicine

[sleek tundra]

They're struggling against melee users wearing football helmets

[hazy helm]

Ho no not again

[pseudo rivet]

Like legit

It makes no sense

[sand fiber]

They're struggling against crackheads outside of the strip and ask for help random people like Courier

[sleek tundra]

Either the legion has genetically modified recruits secretly

[sand fiber]

Because overextension and no support

[sleek tundra]

Or this game has worse writing that, for some reason, is getting praised daily

[sand fiber]

Seems logical to me

[hazy helm]

The NCR is Californian,they're the ones with the defective genes my friend

[pseudo rivet]

I mean, their Legionnaires are equal to an NCR Ranger in strength, but that doesn't mean anything when you can be gunned down from a distance

[pseudo rivet]

This

[hazy helm]

Why is the NCR so bad?California
Why is the Legion so good?they're not from California

[sleek tundra]

Living in california freaking sucks

[sand fiber]

wrong

crimson what's your point
NCR have guns > legion recruits don't > ncr shoot > legion die?
that's like not true proven by the real world

an example is uh 2014's ukrainian revolution

[sleek tundra]

Proven by what?

[hazy helm]

I mean if you look at the introduction of guns to the medieval military landscape you'll see it's true

[sleek tundra]

Noz, Ukrainians are using genetically modified soldiers, you can't use that as an example

[sand fiber]

it's all in the numbers

[pseudo rivet]

Yes, but the only thing that would be able to give Legion an upper hand is using ambush tactics or fighting in very close quarters

[hazy helm]

Wrong it's all in the Tatics idiot

[sand fiber]

there a few ncr troops and a bazillion recruits from a million tribes

[sleek tundra]

Fallout tactics tefetence

[pseudo rivet]

That and numbers, which we don't really see in-game

[sleek tundra]

Only 80 ish tribes

[hazy helm]

In an open engagement,the guy with the gun always wins,that's why the guy with the machete needs to plan ambush or a suprise attack to overtake the guy with the gun

[sleek tundra]

And we don't have any indication on numbers

[hazy helm]

I'm saying this since the beggining you idiots

[pseudo rivet]

Yeah, we don't see numbers in-game, only mentions

[sand fiber]

mhm still more than ncr's at hoover dam

[sleek tundra]

What are you talking about?

[sand fiber]

people that legion can dispose

[sleek tundra]

I doubt the NCR only has a couple of soldiers at hoover dam while the legion has all of their tribes on standby

We don't see any numbers ingame because the game won't handle this

[hazy helm]

The answer is simple ppl just want to look away and talk video game politics

[sleek tundra]

The game had to cut down on NCR soldiers quite a lot

[sand fiber]

oh my god that's the point ncr is terribly overextended i said it like 5 times and you can bring it up in a dialogue with that final legioner i forgot his name

[sleek tundra]

Why are they overextended?

[hazy helm]

BC they're dumb

[sleek tundra]

Why are there a lot of troops at bases doing nothing?

[sand fiber]

in a certain ending i think they even mention devils or whatever they're called raiding ncr base near the strip and killing someone important

[hazy helm]

They're Californian,they can't help but be dumb,it's not their fault

[pseudo rivet]

NV logic, tbh

[sand fiber]

NCR politics and economics, baron's aren't interested in an unpopular war, no supplies, bureaucracy, Mojave internal conflicts, alcoholism at the strip

[pseudo rivet]

Fiends

[sleek tundra]

Noz, you're not looking past surface level details. The reason for the NCR's terrible extention isn't there

[visual fjord]

water

[pseudo rivet]

Like, they literally don't tell us why they're overextended

[sleek tundra]

Wasn't mentioned at all

[hazy helm]

I'd the engine wasn't so bad the Devs would've put more soldiers yesyes muhehehehe

[hazy helm]

They can't stop telling us they're overextended an why

[sand fiber]

did you like click dialogue options or did you play it like fallout 3

[pseudo rivet]

F3 Based

[sleek tundra]

Noz, if it was actually mentioned then it's only one or two dialogue lines

[sand fiber]

I'm absolutely sure you can have a discussion of NCR with Ceasar and he brings up a lot of points

[sleek tundra]

The guy with low intelligence, hypocrisy and bias

Only one example, from literally the worst source of information

[viscid mason]

What Stalker games have you guys finished?

[sleek tundra]

What about random guys associated with the ncr or just neutral?

[sand fiber]

NCR instability is a theme reoccuring in every second quest of NV

[remote karma]

SoC and CoP

[sleek tundra]

Without mentioning why its unstable, and when it's mentioned it makes no sense

[hazy helm]

All of them

[sleek tundra]

They're using the tell don't show rule, and when they show it's illogical

[viscid mason]

Soc / CS

[pseudo rivet]

Talk to Caesar
Mfw he makes the Legion look good how
Looks at the Legion after having talked to Caesar
They're still the raping slavers I know and hate

[hazy helm]

Played CS based

[viscid mason]

@hazy helm even mods

[sand fiber]

Nah, you're getting it wrong
He knows about lots of things in the world, it's just that he's a fascist coming up with shittiest conclusions and ideas

[hazy helm]

Id say I played a fair number of mods,but not all of them that's impossible

[viscid mason]

Ok nice

[sleek tundra]

Exactly, and you chose him out of all other NPCs, if they even exist

General rule of thump in an open world game, one NPC line isn't enough to make a conclusion. There's a writing tool called unreliable narrator that's being used too often

One NPC could say X about a subject, the other could say Y

That's why it's best to see for yourself and make your own conclusions

[pseudo rivet]

The only exception is Hermit from CS

[hazy helm]

My man has played Morrowind for sure

Do you also have the islam button(dedicated Morrowind open switch)

[sleek tundra]

Still in its case

[sand fiber]

Again, it's a theme reoccuring which is conveyed through dialogues, environments and situation in the world

The entire Primm thing, that NCR's jail which they don't control, western path to Strip through death claws, the entire Freeside and its quests, that NCR training camp, even Goodsprings, it's literally always there, you can talk with a million of people about it and their stance, from Easy Pit to Mr. House

I'm not sure why you're so centered on dialogue, but there is plenty of that

[sleek tundra]

That's the NCR being idiots for the sake of being idiots

If you can't see that this is just terrible writing done for the sake of gameplay and quests then I don't see the point discussing this further

[pseudo rivet]

Weren't we talking about how the NCR is overextended and for some reason doesn't get enough soldiers?

[sleek tundra]

It moved to an NCR hate rant

[pseudo rivet]

This tbh

[pseudo rivet]

Ngl, shame Powder Gangers are nothing more than early game bad guys for the sake of being bad and allowing you to be bad for the sake of being bad. Nothing further beyond that. Would've been neat if they were more developed

Still wish someone could make me those Powder Ganger outfits with Legion and NCR armor on top of it

[sand fiber]

???
What's your point? I already said why NCR are doing so badly, and you can figure that out yourself in the game.
FNV dares to bring up discussion of politics, ethics, etc, and the whole NCR thing is just that

[sleek tundra]

My point is that the NCR is terribly written by just making them stupidly dumb and stupidly weak

[pseudo rivet]

^

[sleek tundra]

Every damn encounter with them is about them struggling against random bandits and raiders, getting into a terrible incident/attack or having corruption and spies in their ranks

[worthy lagoon]

They both sucks

[sand fiber]

I don't even remember what was their deal. Just prisoners who rebelled and took out the guard? I can't trust myself on the "they're obviously bad and without a reason", back in the day i thought Legion was poorly written since "They are obviously the bad guys!!! Writers should've added more grey morale..."

[pseudo rivet]

But what does the Legion have?

[sleek tundra]

Football helmets

[pseudo rivet]

Nothing of the sort

[worthy lagoon]

NCR is corrupted as hell and the Legion is a bunch of thugs trying to conquer the Mojave and enslave everyone

[pseudo rivet]

No real problems whatsoever

[pseudo rivet]

Okay Railroad fan

Or are you a Follower?

[worthy lagoon]

I just equally hate every single faction in Fallout

They don't make any sense

[pseudo rivet]

See, that's more like it

[worthy lagoon]

The reasoning behind it is utterly stupid

[pseudo rivet]

Does that mean you hate Lyons' Brotherhood and Tactics' Brotherhood as well?

[worthy lagoon]

While on STALKER the factions has a reason and makes sense, even the Monolith

[pseudo rivet]

Yes, just prisoners who broke out

[worthy lagoon]

Every single faction is utterly polarised

All extremes

[pseudo rivet]

Then you sucks for hating them

[sleek tundra]

Even enclave?

[pseudo rivet]

Sucks to suck, but that's how it is

[worthy lagoon]

They're all way too extreme from reality, they don't even bother to have an actual good reason behind it

[sleek tundra]

NOOOOO

[sand fiber]

Because that's how a failing society is. How is this a bad writing? NCR has reasons for why it's crumbling, i cited them, the game portrays community corrupted to the point where it's militia can't act against glorified raiders.

[pseudo rivet]

To be fair, Enclave sucks

[remote karma]

enclave head

[sleek tundra]

It's bad writing because the absolute worst always happens to them and you never see them succeeding unless you directly help them

[pseudo rivet]

^

[worthy lagoon]

Enclave would've been the most logic one, if they weren't a bunch of scorchered brains incapable of properly preserving a government

[sleek tundra]

Even though it was shown in the previous games that they could stand on their own

[sand fiber]

Do you understand the concept of time and the fact Tandy died

[sleek tundra]

That's not an excuse to make them suck at dealing with LITERAL UNORGANIZED BANDITS

[pseudo rivet]

We call that "spreading breadcrumbs so the player can help said faction to feel significant and accomplished" AKA poor writing

[pseudo rivet]

Okay, you legit wack ngl

[sand fiber]

Eh, whatever, i agree. British army is also poorly written for not able to manage the IRA thingie

[pseudo rivet]

Bruh, literally a different situation

[sleek tundra]

The difference is that the British army handled multiple other things well and this is just one occurrence, while the NCR haven't handled a single thing well ingame

Without YOUR directly interference

[pseudo rivet]

We call that "spreading breadcrumbs so the player can help said faction to feel significant and accomplished" AKA poor writing

NV in a nutshell

It's pretty sad, tbh

[sleek tundra]

Im not saying that you should make them immortal gods, but you can't make them fail at every opportunity even when they should realistically be ready

[sand fiber]

crimson you literally play f3

[pseudo rivet]

Hell yeah

[sleek tundra]

Fallout 3 is a decent game