👓trilogy-lore-and-story

[patent maple]

We do have #📸┃trilogy-screenshots which is specifically for screenshots from the Trilogy games

[rapid shell]

#📸┃trilogy-screenshots message

[cursive oasis]

fallout be something

pretty sure new vegas is the only one that doesnt really have a set in stone canon

[livid badge]

This channel is for trilogy lore and story (old canon), not S2 lore and story (new canon), head to #s2-lore-discussions

[vivid token]

ok thx

[unique fable]

it’s one canon, don’t let him lie to you

[livid badge]

I'm using the terminology that devs themselves have used when designing the game. There can be no single canon, as unfortunate as it is. As @patent maple correctly put it:

STALKER 2 isn't connected to the TrilOG in any way, despite what GSC says. After all, new devs, new mentality and a truck load of retcons
So yeah, you're being deceived for marketing purposes. It's easier to sell a continuation even if it's truly a reboot.

If it were "one canon", tell me, my dear, in that single canon, where do emissions come from? Has Scar captured mech yard? Was he resistant to psy emissions? Was the currency digital before coupons? Did military conduct any raids on the center before Operation Monolith? Does Barrier exist? If it does, where was it located and what did it protect from?

There are hundreds on hundreds of contradictions between the games, the sheer scale and number of which make the old games impossible. The discussion of trilogy lore in the context of S2 is pointless, and often vice versa as well.

[near marten]

amen

[unique fable]

You’re spending way too much time on this

[near marten]

it was our hobby for a long time

[cursive oasis]

not as much as halo fans do

so theres that

[livid badge]

I am, yes. Because the moment you stop looking on this on a surface level (wow, look, Cordon is back and Strelok is here!) and actually start analysing how the games work together, it turns out that S2 just forms an incohesive universe.

[near marten]

and if people have these questions and debates, why not establish and give them a sober answer?

[unique fable]

Halo’s canon is as nightmarishly contradictory as stalker

the Battle of Reach for example is the most confusing event in that entire series

[cursive oasis]

happens to the best of us

[flat sonnet]

Not sure if this belongs anywhere, but I just had a thought. I think it's a bit unfortunate it wouldn't make much sense for there to be mutant bears in the games. Since there aren't that many bears in that area as in the Carpathians or farther East.

Then again, I didn't really like the bear mutants in Metro games, so it's not a big loss.

They probably wouldn't be very interesting enemies and the pseudogiants are already the slow heavies and chimeras are the fast heavies.

No idea why I typed that.

[livid badge]

Pretty sure S2 planned a bear mutant. Both the 2011 one and HoC.

HoC still has an entry for the bear mutant in the relationship table.

They're not part of the lore as it's cut content but devs absolutely considered bears.

[upbeat galleon]

that'd have to be some individuals brought into the zone for experiments because bears live nowhere near Chornobyl.
Only bears in UA are in Carpathian mountains. (And zoos probably)
But then again, chimeras are in the zone... who knows what they are and where they came from.

[subtle olive]

Chimeras came from... your mother!

[subtle olive]

Non. S2 explains lore that uses to be just subject of speculation

[livid badge]

It rewrites or ignores half of it. It’s not much of an achievement to write a story within existing medium if you cherrypick the bits you like. You get an explanation for one thing and then another new tidbit just completely contradicts everything stated before. Barrier, digital money, emission protection being pay protection, it’s hundreds on hundreds of retcons.

[subtle olive]

I think digital currency was implemented after CoP. It's been years

Either that, or GSC wanted to remove rubles for that reason. Not a big deal...

Money was always transfered anyways in the trilogy, probably via PDA

[livid badge]

I’m not talking about cases where the lore expands the existing information. That’s all fine and dandy and that’s what a game should do. I’m talking about cases where it contradicts.

You’re correct, money in trilogy was already digital, but S2 pretends coupons are the first introduction of digital money.

And there are hundreds of cases where GSC completely missed details of original games when writing a continuation.

[subtle olive]

I think there's worse fuckups

[livid badge]

It’s impossible to judge the old games in the context of the new lore, it’s not gonna make any sense.

[subtle olive]

like Scar's implaneted memories partaining Ward, despite there being no Ward when C-Con lived...

[livid badge]

There are, you just decided to discuss this one. :) Geography is the worst offender. The position of both Zaton and Scorcher is nonsensical. Many events of old games either make no sense on the new map or couldn’t happen at all.

Many explanations that GSC decided to provide for things are incoherent with known information as well. E.g. ability to survive emissions is described as resistance to any kind of psi-influence, even though Scar clearly is affected by psy fields and Brain Scorcher.

[subtle olive]

All major events from the trilogy are canon in S2. Sure, details are missed, but the OG games were rushed and sloppy so who cares... Most PDA entires in SoC were written wrong by the devs

[livid badge]

Is Barrier canon? Did Degtyarev kill the bloodsuckers at Krug Antenna Complex? Did stalkers rush through Prypiat after disabling the Scorcher?

[subtle olive]

Same events, different place

[livid badge]

You did not read into my question. Places drive events. Pripyat is located on the north now, so stalkers would have no reason to visit on the way to CNPP. Barrier does not exist AT ALL in S2 map because AW is not connected to Scorcher.

And Krug Antenna Complex is separated by Lesser Zone and Cordon, it couldn’t be a threat to Skadovsk as it was kilometers away.

[subtle olive]

The lair was moved to "Vents", a location from Zaton

[livid badge]

You would think so, but a stalker in Krug still mentions how Degtyarev went there to gas the suckers.

[subtle olive]

Isn't CNPP sealed off ? I think Pripyat is the only way

[livid badge]

It’s sealed off completely now, but I’m talking not just about stalkers but your headcanon would not work for military helicopters.

[subtle olive]

Krug was moved near Duga for realism, I think? GSC wanted a realistic zone

Retcons for the sake of realism

[livid badge]

Yeah, we all know that. A terrible decision for an established universe, not gonna lie.

Either way, I agree with you, there are definitely events from trilogy that are canon for S2. But there are many that aren’t. There are many that are changed and retconned. There are many that are completely forgotten by the new team.

I really liked an answer one of GSC community managers about whether a certain CoP cliffhanger is going to be explored in S2 and they were absolutely clueless. Those are new devs and they have no idea about what old team wanted to explore further in S2. They familiarised themselves with existing material, but it’s still a Theseus ship of a company.

There is S2 (and its part of trilogy that still exists in its worlds) and there’s trilogy (which is mostly, apart from very small details, consistent with each other). That’s what I meant by treating them as two canons.

How can you discuss Barrier in the context of new lore if Barrier never existed in S2 and never could have? How can you discuss the paths of characters on the new maps if those paths no longer make any sense?

It’s absurd to consider S2 in trilogy discussions, and often to a much lesser degree vice versa.

[subtle olive]

what cliffhanger

[livid badge]

The Horror of Pripyat.

[frail solar]

Idk man considering the time and happening gap I think some forbearance is warranted lol

[subtle olive]

bruh that's a secret at most

an easter egg

[livid badge]

It was stated directly in design documents that they hint on this in CoP and fully explore it in upcoming game. S2 2011 docs even had a description for it, visible only in NVG light.

It certainly exists in trilogy, even though it’s only hinted at and not properly introduced, but we know the dev intentions from internal documentation. Does it exist in the new canon with S2? Who knows. GSC were certainly not aware of it when writing a new part of the series.

[subtle olive]

2011 docs also killed strelok so

[livid badge]

No, 2010 docs did. 2011 storyline you played as Strelok.

[subtle olive]

maybe it was cut. If I had limited resources, I wouldn't explore that, there's so many things GSC had to tell with S2

Pripyat is undercooked anyways, not even a side quest there... The full vision is far far away from present

[livid badge]

Don’t think I’ve seen anything concerning Horror of Pripyat even in cut content… and if it was planned but cut, it would’ve gotten a “NDA” not a “what is that, we did not announce anything like that”.

It’s more about the confusion in GSC’s CM messages than whether it’s actually implemented. The question is if they know about what the old devs meant by certain things, not whether they explored it further.

Anyway, my point is, you can try to cherrypick which events happened and which did not on the new map, try to come up with explanations on why stuff unfolded differently or in the first place, but it will all result in very different story than the one in SoC, CS and CoP.

The new canon is still going to be very different no matter how you look at it.

[subtle olive]

Very different? Strelok still went to Limansk, blew up the Tunnel, was hunted by Scar, was turned into an Agent, Sid gave him the nickname, killed C-Con, turned off the Scorcher, was picked up by Deggy, his info formed SIRCAA, became an advisor, etc... Deggy still massacred the suckers, found Fairway crew, etc... These are all canon and they all defy the story. That barrier isn't that important 🥲

That's basically what happened in the trilogy and it's all canon

no cherrypicking, it's the whole story ( main points )

[livid badge]

Yes, that’s what I meant about surface level. Hey, Strelok is back! But lore and canon goes far beyond the main events of the game. And even with them it barely makes any sense. In SoC he turned off the scorcher because it was actually in the way. In HoC scorcher couldn’t protect ANYTHING as the location that are directly near it are those that are not affected by its influence.

[subtle olive]

Trilogy story is also superficial. SoC is just info dumping on PDA

[livid badge]

It is superficial, but it is (mostly) consistent. There are tons of details only known from PDA entires, small dialogues and many other things.

S2 sure does a lot better with the presentation but who cares how the story is presented if it contradicts the existing entries so much.

[tall elm]

@livid badge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s0zNK9JnNQ

[proud pelican]

Greetings everyone, I have a question as I'm a new comer to the stalker universe, why would the developers not add the RPK? It's a light machine gun chambered in 7.62x39 and far more realistic to carry around than a pkm

I'm not familiar with the area so I'm just curious, here in America RPK style rifles are popular

[livid badge]

Not much of a lore question, more development history. Devs of stalker always were guided by the rule of the cool, not realism. They wanted a variety of different weapons but still limited number of weapons overall to make the progression balanced.

They considered RPK during S:OL development, an icon for it was on Dead City design documents and still exists in the files in textures/icon/icon_all_weapons.dds in SoC files.

It was considered alongside RP-74 which was actually developed into (back then) purely a stationary machine gun. It got cut by SoC release but devs reimplemented it in CS as a weapon that is both used stationary and accessible to the player.

RP-74 is the in-game name of PKM in CS, in case you are unaware.

[unique fable]

I believe there are mods for the original trilogy that add in RPK pattern light machine guns, but it never really made it to the actual games for a variety of reasons (basically what SurDno says above)

(I'm not sure if there is currently a mod for S2 that adds it)

[proud pelican]

I appreciate the information

I see where they were going now, I guess another AK pattern rifle would've been meh compared to something unique like a pkm

[opaque crater]

Are there any good stalker novels in English?

[livid badge]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/S.T.A.L.K.E.R._Book_Series

tldr: no, there are very few stories to begin with and i dont think any have been translated

this is of course covering only officially licensed content, i'm sure ficbook is full of scar x strelok yaoi

[tall elm]

are there any book that explain the games lore? I see there's one book with a subtitle "Shadow of Chernobyl"

[livid badge]

none of the books are canon and they are usually just inspired by the games

shadows of chernobyl was released along with the game is basically a collection of short stories written by the fans before release that devs really liked

[tall elm]

one's called "Clear Sky"

[livid badge]

released alongside clear sky

you guessed it

[raw swan]

Hey I saw a theory about that. We know that the antennas are also called "rainbow emitters" maybe the psi fields are in a curved shaped (like a rainbow) thus covering places like redforest and the CNPP

[livid badge]

They’re called that because in RU/UA Rainbow is Raduga, it was a neat little play on the real thing the brain scorcher is inspired by.

Poorly translated into other languages and with a total meaning loss

And no, you cannot even really draw a line showing how it was supposed to function because all immediately nearby locations were not under brain scorcher influence

[raw swan]

I understand the need of making two separate canons. But the games were always full of inconsistencies and fans always had to do mental gymnastics do make that coherent. Its the same thing all over again with stalker 2 (on a much larger guess I agree). But for me it's what's funny about it
Trying to make a total mess coherent

[livid badge]

Yeah, unfortunately with some things no mental gymnastics can help explain some of the retcons xD

[tall elm]

I thought the OG trilogy was consistent

[raw swan]

For exemple Sakharov didn't recognize strelok in SoC but has seen him in CS

Or the fact that pripyat in SoC and CoP are completly incompatible

[tall elm]

lol yeah, the whole plot of Strelok being unrecognizable south of CNPP is shabby

[echo onyx]

Doesn't Strelok's model in Clear Sky have a mask on?

[edgy charm]

yes, the out of game explanation is that strelok had his face covered with bandages

[echo onyx]

According to the wiki this is strelok's model in clear sky https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/stalker/images/a/ae/Sunrise.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100306145006

[edgy charm]

yes it is

[echo onyx]

Maybe he was wearing that mask while talking to Sakharov which would explain why he wasn't recognized.

[edgy charm]

i doubt people wear gasmasks indoors

[echo onyx]

I mean Sakharov's assistants wore suits with masks in the bunker.

[edgy charm]

we can reasonably assume it's just a game thing

[hollow pecan]

insomniacdoctor has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[echo onyx]

Maybe the proto scorcher in lab x-16 messed with Sakharov's memory.

[raw swan]

I doubt strelok model in SoC is canon. It doesn't Look like him at all

[echo onyx]

I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that strelok was wearing a mask in clear sky.

[near marten]

because it's Messer

[coarse briar]

Ok I'll try to say something I hope don't get banned or something

Retard

Alright it's fine

[hollow pecan]

mike2200 has been warned

Reason: Posted an invite

[tall elm]

Toad aka deranged Rodney Dangerfield

[haughty frost]

is the wish granter heart of chernobyl the same as the golden sphere in roadside picnic?

[iron grail]

loosely inspired by but not the same

[raw swan]

Every stalker adaptation (movie, book, games) has its own wishgranter however it's always something different

And the wishgranter in the games (spoiler alert for shadow of chernobyl) ||is only a decoy||

[livid badge]

This is a weird take. Stalker movie is actually an adaptation for the book — it has differences and acts as its own thing but the Roadside Picnic writers actually took their part in writing screenplay. It’s essentially still book’s story but heavily changed and adapted.

Stalker games are their own thing from the very beginning. Yes, the idea of “an anomalous zone with artifacts” comes from Roadside Picnic, but it’s a single place, not a result of alien visit, and it’s full of mutants and guns. Roadside Picnic is one of many influences that created stalker series, another book by the same authors called The Forgotten Experiment describes a failed scientific experiment that resulted in a phenomenon that is very similar to in-game emissions.

There are many references to both Roadside Picnic and Stalker (1979). Shell artifact, Burnt Fuzz anomaly, fruit punch — yes, those are taken directly from the book. The concept of a wish granted is a loose interpretation of a golden sphere but it’s been developed in an entirely different direction. Scar’s face in CS is based on the look of Alexander Kaydanovsky, the lead actor of the movie. The Oasis room in CoP is also modeled after the movie. But all of the places, characters, events — it’s all been made for stalker universe by hand. The series is its very own entity loosely inspired by the book and the movie, not based on it.

[flint marten]

Can you please explain, where Faust got his necklace?

[unique fable]

That’s explained in the S2 story I believe. (also wrong channel for that, this is for the original Trilogy)

[raw swan]

The story from roadside picnic and from the movie are not "essentially" the same

[livid badge]

Yeah, my bad. They are still very closely related and written by the same people. The movie is undoubtedly an adaptation of the book, the game series isn’t.

[raw swan]

They only have in common some aspects like the Idea of the zone and wishgranter, stalkers and the name of the daughter of the protagonist

The 3 medias are set in different universe

I you guys liked the Books I recommand ready the southern reach trilogy. It has also the Idea of "a dangerous inexplicable zone" but with more focus on cosmic horror

[iron grail]

It's definitely based on parts of the book, and the authors wrote the screenplay, but yeah it's pretty different. I think that's one of the things that makes it very interesting though

[midnight pier]

actually they are really different. strugatsky brothers and tarkovsky had a conflict over it

[peak moth]

They are completely different apart from 2 things. They are in a Zone duh and ||the wish granter||

[raw swan]

And there is a little girl called monkey

But the characters are not same at all

Redrick Schuhart and the stalker from the movie are two completly different people with a different point of view about life

[quaint dirge]

Is there a specific reason as to why mercenaries are uniquely ukrainian? It feels like a job that would have people from all around the world coming in to work it, but that doesn't happen. Are they so secretive that only locals get hired for it?

[livid badge]

Why do you assume they're uniquely ukrainian? In SoC, they do use the same nameset as all other stalkers, and a few unique characters have Armenian origin (Ara and rookie village merc).

[quaint dirge]

People tweak the hell out if you claim that they could be anything else

[unique fable]

I was under the impression the mercs came from really anywhere

[midnight pier]

oh yeah the armenian origins, and also the special accent lol

[peak moth]

In the English VA of HoC they come from different places but the English VA is kinda messed up too so theres that

[midnight pier]

I suppose mercs aren't just any random ppl working for money, but it's a specific big group / organization that had a big customer and now don't anymore, so it makes sense they would come from similar origins

[raw swan]

Would love a mod that mixes ukrainian and english VA for npcs

[peak moth]

There's one that makes key characters and quest givers English and other NPC's Ukrainian. I don't know much about it but someone mentioned it at one point

You'd have to ask around. This is for HoC btw

[raw swan]

Thanks but I play on Xbox so no mods for me haha

[sweet compass]

do regular old citizens outside the zone know about all the anomalous crazy shit going on there

like in america for example are there news stations going "yes physics is being given the middle finger within the chernobyl exclusion zone"

i'd imagine the ukranian government would try to keep it secret so as to not attract foreign forces to investigate or to minimize the amount of stalkers entering the zone

[raw swan]

maybe in the first couples of months after the creation of the zone. But it's nearly impossible to not attrack attention

I'm pretty sure everyone in the world has heard of the zone when the trilogy starts

the anomalous zone began when internet already existed

[livid badge]

there are stories of foreign tourists and expeditions

[unborn wedge]

Yup

The Zone is no secret to the world

[whole moss]

Does zombie can use PDA?

[unborn wedge]

?

[whole moss]

Im asking because idk

Does zombie can use it?

[unborn wedge]

Zombies retain little to no memory

[whole moss]

Oowh so they cant use it

[unborn wedge]

They can't use a PDA

All they do is wander around and shoot stalkers

[whole moss]

Thanks 👍

[unborn wedge]

You're welcome

If anything they can speak small phrases, but aside from that, their brains are fried

[whole spoke]

Why does the CS-1 armor look so cool

especially the gas mask

[inner elm]

That's debatable. Some of them talk about going back to their daughters. In Call of Pripyat, I've also seen them use binoculars, something which was very unexpected to me. They also sit together around fires, stretching their palms to get them warm, and mumble to each other. There's more to this zombified stalkers than meets the eye.

[dull mulch]

yo

[unborn wedge]

Yeah, that's true, they do seem to retain some memories and basic needs

[livid badge]

I wouldn't take binoculars usage as lore, some places just dont have the necessary restrictions. In SoC zombies run away from grenades, in CS they say "LETS MOVE" with a stalker voice when going to a new spot.

[inner elm]

Call of Pripyat introduced a new side of zombified stalker. They group together, sit around campfires, even squat or lay on a side like normal stalkers. They also "talk" to each other however they can. And the binoculars scene was very impressive. I'm not talking about lore, I'm talking about what you can see in game, in real time.

[livid badge]

Yeah, but you can see in-game lots of behaviours that aren't meant for zombified, they just happen for everyone and don't have zombified in exceptions. In CS you can even talk with them and hear them say normal phrases. Doesn't mean it's meant to be like that.

[inner elm]

Those are glitches, I know. But Call of Pripyat corrected most of their glitched behavior, in my opinion. Actually knowing what they are saying is really damn sad. I've always felt annoyed by them, but now I feel pity for them.

Their reaction to a thrown grenade in Shadow of Chernobyl was hilarious, for sure. They turn from slowpokes to olympic sprinters in a split second.

[livid badge]

I'm sure binoculars is a glitch too. Some spots just have a predefined animation without checks for faction. Zombified dont even have a unique animation for drawing a binoculars, so I am sure that was unintentional.

[inner elm]

Perhaps. This happened on top of the Cement Factory silos, in Jupiter.

The area is regularly fought for by Loners, Zombified Stalkers, Freedom and Duty.

[icy talon]

Das lota words

[bronze wharf]

They do a bit more

[unborn wedge]

Sometimes they sit around fires and stuff

Use binoculars, eat

But they're generally potato brains

[unique fable]

🥔

[fair gale]

So. What do ysll think happened to forester?

[vast parcel]

Good question

Considering that there’s been around a 10-11 year gap between clear sky and heart of Chernobyl. He’s probably dead

[livid badge]

This channel is for trilogy lore and story. But I’ll answer anyway: in HoC it’s cut content

[fair gale]

Oh no I meant like what do you think happened to him in between clear sky and shadow?

[livid badge]

Simple: he did not exist as an idea during SoC development :)

[fair gale]

I mean. True but in universe thinkin. Where do you think he was during shadow? Maybe he got turned into a monolith member?

[cursive oasis]

he hibernated out of the universe

[urban veldt]

In Red Forest...

[quiet elm]

Why are there emissions after Strelok destroys Cons C? Who is manipulating those Generators? Why was the program STALKER still running in the time line of STALKER 2? Who was working on that? I mean, there has to be someone ... Those things keep me thinking and wondering while I play stalker...

Why Clear Sky were fighting against the Monoliths in STALKER Clear sky? They could reach the CNPP without the Limansk and Abandoned Hospital assaults. They were supposed to be allied as they defend the same thing ...

[brittle bone]

Good Question. From what I've gathered, Monolith are not allied with any other factions. It's true that they share a similar goal to other groups, the preservation of The Zone. But they are fully devout for this cause, to the point of being considered zealots/fanatics. If you are not with them, you're against them

There's also a lack of free will aspect to them I think. They will always fight to the death, and have no problems sacrificing themselves. Some stalkers mention they must've lost their minds to the zone trying to reach the centre. Some probably go willingly, others might be drawn to the centre without realising. They're too enthralled to be reasoned with sadly, and consider everyone a threat, especially during Clear Sky Finale

[livid badge]

In trilogy they are not “defending the same thing”, it’s only a part of S2 lore and simply one of many retcons HoC features

[fair gale]

So. Just beat clear sky. (Final boss is pain) the fact those people are just like seemingly dragged in there or dropped in their by monolith then brainwashed thru screens? Was eery.

Like is that the c con controlling those screens or are they automated?

[edgy drift]

during Clear Sky, the screens are controlled by C-Con if you mean the ending bit with Strelok being seen in that one hallway full of people and screens

[fair gale]

Yup that one. Guess the emission brain screwed everyone then monolith dragged the survivors into the hallway to be rewritten? I didn't expect it to be a hallway tho thought it was gonna be like. A room

It felt so dirty. Is that how monolith are brain washed or just s.t.a.l.k.e.rs?

[edgy drift]

in Stalker 2 it is explained that the Monolith is also the Wish Granter, the Monolith faction just knew it as their god. the Wish Granter would lure in people, who heard stories, then when they got there it would seemingly incapacitate them with visions and then it would either brainwash them then and there or they would be moved elsewhere to be turned into either Agents or Monolith. i'm not entirely sure which because as Rogg says, this seems to be a retcon, as he says it used to just kill people who got too close as a last line of defense for the C-Con. but i feel like it makes more sense to use the people who already had skills that let them get to the Wish Granter, like that isn't just a casual stroll.

also you said emission brain, but idk what you mean, the Emissions was caused by energy flowing into the world from the Noosphere and as to not overload things, they had to release that energy which is what the emissions are.

i would imagine that the C-Con had control over when to release it too so it's possible they planned it as a defense measure, against Clear Sky.

[fair gale]

I always thought the wish granter endings were it screwing with us as we died from the intense amount of radiation nmin the sarcophagus

[edgy drift]

i feel like it makes the most sense to show you things based on your desires, while you're being kidnapped to be used by the C-Con as either a new monolith member or an agent

[fair gale]

Oh no I meant like I think the emission at the end of clear sky just scrambled everyone's brains. Also uh is the ending of clear sky technically before or after the boss fight?

Cuz I think strelok was an agent during the fight.

[edgy drift]

it's likely it did knock people out because the emission is iirc, something like pure Psi radiation

[fair gale]

Lol dude had his brain jumbled like 3 times

Once the first time he went to the npp. The 2nd when he got turned into an agent and 3rd probably when the big psi blast happened

[edgy drift]

in Clear Sky, Strelok is not an agent. he is a loner who was very skilled and he got too close to the center of the zone, too close for the liking of C-Con and Clear Sky seemed to be worried that him getting there would release another super emission.

that is why Scar is setting out to stop him before he can do it

[fair gale]

Also. Kinda hope we see like clear sky remnants in a dlc. Maybe the ones not picked up by monolith fled back into limansk?

[edgy drift]

we know that in 2 that there is at least 1 guy who lived

[fair gale]

I mean during the boss fight. He's got a bunch of psi stuff all around his head

[edgy drift]

because you find recordings of them from after the events of Clear Sky

[fair gale]

Oh neat. Are they survivors from the npp fight or guys that were left in the swamps?

[edgy drift]

he had some headgear that would let him be in the Psi radiation longer or something iirc

likely from the swamp.

[unique fable]

Yeah it was a psi protection headset

Sakharov gave it to him and then promptly forgot about him in SoC

[fair gale]

Ohhh

Ok. Gotya. Then he got brain scrunked

Well. Brain scrunked twice. One by the psi boom at the end of clear sky then by c con

But like. Why did monolith not attack him? Or were they attacking him? I couldn't tell tbh

[edgy drift]

i do wonder a little about how they survived the super emission though

the monolith was attacking Strelok, you see him shooting back at them when you chase him down.

[fair gale]

Like. Did the c con set that off due to both clear sky's attack and strelok breaking in?

Also like. Im not really sure why we needed to stop strelok really. Other than him having this need to get to the wish granter.

[edgy drift]

C-Con doesn't want anyone to know about their work, their experiments or what they've done. being at the center is where info on this is at.

[unique fable]

Clear Sky feared that if Strelok got to the Wish Granter it would produce one of the largest emissions recorded that would kill everyone in the Zone I believe

[edgy drift]

and a super emission that just comes with no delay basically? well that is really bad for the zone, like if you're not inside you're screwed. a sudden emission like that could end so many people

[fair gale]

Ohhh yea ok. It's been a bit since I started so I forgot lol

Oh and uh. Lymansk was cool. The big antenna wall was neat and the stuff you learn from forester just ingrained it as a favorite area for me

Like the fact the area still likely had people in it during the creation of the zone and how you can hear kids laughing and like. The fact it's so intact still?

[edgy drift]

you can't get there in 2, but if you go to the bridge, there's a radio in the tower and turning it on or switching the channels will make these like screams come through before the signal cuts out. very ominous

[unique fable]

^

the Bridge area is very eerie all around tbh in 2

[raw swan]

Limansk is one of the best areas in the game

I wonder if the radiowave Institute has any ties whith the xlabs

[livid badge]

Uhhhh, monolith being wish granter is explicitly said in the trilogy lol

Also this is trilogy lore channel

[edgy drift]

tell that to Rogg because he was so sure it wasn't

iirc he told me that it wasn't, when i also talked about how it made no sense for the Wish Granter to just be luring stalkers in just to kill them.

[fair gale]

So I wonder what clear sky thought about monolith just being in limansk and the npp while also popping out of portals and stuff. Like they must've been like this is way bigger than stopping strelok right?

Tho stuff was happening so fast. Probably weren't really sure what to do?

[brittle bone]

Lebedev got lost in the sauce a little bit for sure

[brittle bone]

He had said that combat wasn't Clear Skys main strength, at least at the start. So rushing all his guys into the centre where every other faction is headed is a bold move, even if they're much better equipped by that point. I can't tell whether he thought this was necessary to help stop Strelok or if he saw the opening to the centre Scar had found so he just took it because they'd been hiding so long and it would have finally paid off. Probably a bit of both

[hollow pecan]

.slimestar has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

randl1 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[thorn sonnet]

Which faction should I go with in stalker2? They’re all idiots imo and it’s hard for me to distinguish who is who

I wanna know who are the good guys

[peak moth]

Keep to the ones trying to protect the Zone/keep it free if you want to side with the good guys

[inland lance]

freedom propaganda

[peak moth]

Nah, anything but Ward ngl

[inland lance]

mostly alligned with the ||kaymanov ending|| ngl

[peak moth]

Yeah

[patent maple]

The Zone is what you perceive it to be. Be it a threat against humanity, a gift to all mankind or perhaps a source of riches. Your beliefs is what shape your morality of the Zone

That being said however, there's a great difference between the TrilOG and HoC and I personally wouldn't connect the two

[hollow pecan]

racing5566 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[inland lance]

is that what they would call a 'soft reeboot'?

[patent maple]

Yeah, except GSC told us that all the games are canon and related. They take place in the same universe, apparently

[livid badge]

Marketing and reality are often distinct things, sometimes one has to use their brain to tell the difference between the two

S2 was developed as a soft reboot and ended up being like one, no matter how many times community mangers will call it a continuation. Continuations sell better, period.

[patent maple]

With other words, you were given a brain to think for yourself. Don't let others tell you what you should think

[urban veldt]

@livid badge how seriously do you take Streloks line of "the people behind it are hiding somewhere else"?

[livid badge]

I do not think it was ever properly explained even in cop design documents.

Probably just one of many cliffhangers cop was leaving for the future of the franchise.

[urban veldt]

[patent maple]

I second this

Besides, logically speaking, Strelok only destroyed C-Consciousness, not the Group

C-Consciousness ≠ The Group

It's something many people confuse with each other

[unique fable]

Everyone in C-Consciousness was in The Group. But not everyone in The Group was in C-Consciousness.

Cause remember they ran an initial test before the big oops in 2006. Which couldn’t have happened without other Group members.

[livid badge]

We don’t know what the group is strictly in the trilogy.

It’s a term mentioned once. Every interpretation of it is effectively headcanon.

Maybe the group is a part of C-Con. Maybe C-Con is a part of the group. Maybe those are not connected directly.

[patent maple]

Basically

[livid badge]

S2 went with “the noosphere contact group” essentially saying it is the same as C-Con but OG-trilogy did not have that connection.

[patent maple]

Yeah, so another point of S2 being a reboot

[livid badge]

Honestly I’d argue not here, as this is not a contradiction, it’s exploring a point that was left unexplored before. That’s what a sequel should do and that’s what S2 would only do in an ideal world.

[patent maple]

Isn't the point that C-Consciousness being destroyed meant that everyone in that project died?

That the projection we saw in SoC is now still kept alive through Subtle Matter?

[livid badge]

You’re talking about other plot points, I thought we only discussed what the term “The Group” means in the context of OG trilogy and S2.

[patent maple]

In that case, the connection of the Group being the C-Consciousness is an odd one

They're two separate things

Albeit definitely connected to each other

[fair gale]

Does the word burer originate from somewhere? Or is it unique to stalker?

[livid badge]

unique to stalker

[lime sundial]

The monolith "left" because strelok destroyed the ccon right?

[raw swan]

Right

[patent maple]

Smh

[visual epoch]

Can anyone give me some lore on the Malachite area aside from the scorcher? Was the rest of the area covered by anomalies or is there any notable history there, either pre Zone or with factions other than spark

[patent maple]

Unless HoC "added" anything, no, not really

The biggest thing has always been the Brain Scorcher

[iron grail]

The implication I got was it would have just been an abandoned site within the zone prior to sometime after the trilogy. There's nothing specific mentioned about it

Reasonable chance it's based on a real world building somewhere but that would be about it

Oh I guess if you mean the whole area proper, idk, nothing special about it before. Not like the old games put any emphasis on what was between level transitions

[livid badge]

They did a bit, there are quite a few mentions of things outside accessible areas, mostly in folklore

City-32, rotten forest, first base, etc.

Agroprom — WT path as well

[echo onyx]

C-con are basically 7 scientists from the group. The rest of the group working under c-con is called mdst.

[patent maple]

C-Consciousness is the machine used to tap into the Noosphere

[livid badge]

#👓trilogy-lore-and-story
mdst
Pick one

#s2-lore-discussions is for S2 canon

[near marten]

wtf is up with all this "bad words" spam in numerous channels?

[peak moth]

Scammers get auto modded as bad word usage

[civic sentinel]

Aren't there 8 now technically? Kaimanov technically counts

He didn't go in the pod, but he should count

[civic sentinel]

Also, maybe I'm stupid, but after all this time I still don't know what the Noosphere is

[echo onyx]

No cause his mind didn't get mixed in.

[livid badge]

it's not a stalker concept, it's a general pseudoscience concept

[civic sentinel]

Still don't know what it means

[weary orbit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere Here is the wiki about it if you're curious

[vast parcel]

What are the lore of snorks

[patent maple]

Reminder that there were both Military personnel and "Stalkers" in the Zone before the Second Disaster

But this seems to be a "post" case

[shy aurora]

what were stalkers doing there before the zone formed? isn't the whole definition of a stalker as someone who sneaks past the police blockade to get inside the zone to find artifacts and stuff.

[edgy charm]

the same thing the real-life stalkers are doing, just exploring shit

[edgy charm]

it's the only fan-made mutant in SoC btw 💅

[patent maple]

That's why I air quoted it, because this was before being a Stalker was an actual thing. Father Valerian was in the Zone before the Second Disaster, for example

[vast parcel]

E

[vast parcel]

E

[muted widget]

E

[vast parcel]

Monolith?

[muted widget]

yes brother, MONOLITH

[keen magnet]

Oh Monolith

[patent maple]

Let's stick to the purpose of this channel - the lore of the STALKER Trilogy

[livid badge]

City-32 is best location in the franchise

Followed by rotten forest and maybe first base

And that scientific institute with a weird mutant in it

[muted widget]

you mean X18?

with that midget mutant preserved in the pods?

[livid badge]

No

[muted widget]

what is this "weird mutant" you mean

[livid badge]

We don’t get a description really, it might have been a poltergeist but it’s weird a single poltergeist would scare all the other mutants so much that they start to avoid the institute

The behaviour also doesn’t sound like what we’ve seen poltergeists do so I always assumed it’s a different mutant

[wicked lodge]

is there any background or reason for the Renagades entering the zone

[livid badge]

There is no renegade lore apart from a few mentions in Lebedev dialogues, most people think they know about the faction is actually fanon

[wicked lodge]

at least I have my bandit buddies with me

[patent maple]

There is a description on the website, but weeeellllll..... It also says that Clear Sky wants to destroy the Zone

[patent maple]

Basically, Bandits tax Stalkers and enslave them, Renegades mug and kill for loot

That's honestly all we can figure out in the game

[wicked lodge]

practically the same thing but far enough I guess

[livid badge]

Websites are such a weird beast

Cause if you start considering GSC’s websites, what about THQ one? That one is even weirder lore-wise

Wait, where is the website description?

I am only seeing duty, freedom, CS, neutrals and mercs

[patent maple]

Oh right, not the website, but their old webshop. The patches have descriptions as well

[livid badge]

Oh that one’s interesting! Can you copy & paste?

[patent maple]

Not exactly, tbh. Bandits want to tax Stalkers, extort them. If you kill them, you can't make money, after all

[patent maple]

Lemme check

[wicked lodge]

The Renagades might do the same, but this is tied to the things seen in the trilogy

[patent maple]

My internet is trash atm, maybe you could do it? I believe this is the link. You can use Wayback Machine to look it up

https://stalker-shop.com/?&id_lang=1

[patent maple]

What's in-game is canon. We haven't seen Renegades tax people, so there's already a difference between the two

[patent maple]

"Are you sick of the posh rituals of the Zone factions? Were you once one of them, but were banished? Well, welcome, bro! Now they will have to answer for their mistakes, because we are a faction of the new order! And we have nothing to lose!"

"Тебя воротит от пижонских обрядов группировок Зоны? Ты был когда-то одним из них, но был изгнан? Ну что ж, добро пожаловать, братан! Теперь им придется ответить за свои ошибки, так как мы – группировка нового порядка! И нам нечего терять!"

I also believe this is why the maker of CoC thinks Clear Sky wants to destroy the Zone

"We will unravel the mystery of the Zone, understand the reasons for its emergence, in order to finally destroy it! If you are ready to keep your mouth shut while you pave the way to the Center together with other fighters, you can become one of us. This patch on your sleeve will become a common symbol, uniting us in the fight."

[livid badge]

Weird stuff. Yeah, CS description directly contradicts in-game information.

[patent maple]

Exactly

So it's likely not canon, but at least it's something

[patent maple]

@livid badge
Here's the direct source, btw
https://web.archive.org/web/20140402135215/https://stalker-shop.com/category.php?id_category=28

[glossy swift]

the renegades are just bandits with other patch and name, bandits of the Marsh

[vast parcel]

Na they’re just poorer bandits

[strong kayak]

I don't know which channel to use to ask this, but is there any lore reason skif is able to run around in gear that looks monolith in Stalker 2? It feels weird running around in Exo-monolith armour and not being immediately shot at.

[bright harness]

is coming from trilogy, when u can wear any armor

[strong kayak]

Skif just rips off the patch i guess lol

[bright harness]

maybe :3

[raw swan]

Is there a lore reason why people think gameplay feature = lore. Are they restarted ?

[patent maple]

I mean, it's obvious, no?

The gameplay is what the game is revolved around. Of course it's lore

[raw swan]

🤯

Is there a lore reason why Skiff survived 1 billion bullets during my playthrough ? Is he stupid?

[patent maple]

Yes

[grave burrow]

i mean would be nice if S2 had like faction affinity like Fallout NV
so if u were running around a Freedom seva, Duty would gun at u

vise versa

running around in mono gear you had a high chance of any faction gunning u down

[patent maple]

Real

At least mods can probably save us

Soon™️

[inland lance]

magic artifacts

[urban veldt]

They would still shoot him
The entire idea of determining if a stalker is friend/enemy using a patch is dumb

[unborn marlin]

I'm still trying to convince duty or freedom to let monolith come so i can outfit my crew with enuff guys to go thru the tunnels, cuz people die fast down there and I think I need more than 3.

the guys who developed/develop this story really thought it through, i mean, overthought it. the detail is astounding for a game.

[elder inlet]

July is coming closer

Closer and closer everyday

[strong kayak]

Thats why i was askin, ive never shot at someone in game because i saw the patch, its all about the colours

Although in Anomaly it can be hard to determine a bandit and a loner sometimes

[urban veldt]

yeah because they all use the same suit because why the hell shouldnt dirt poor bandits wear SKAT

dumb system
Road to the North disguise system makes so much more sense

[wicked lodge]

Remember, that game was released 2010

[woeful aurora]

Hello can someone explain me the bandit faction :

What are there objective?
Who are there bosse?
Why they are so many in the zone?

I've 15h on SOC and still d'ont know who there are

[raven coral]

They're kinda like the loners, small groups everywhere with different goals.

They're mostly thugs or ex-criminals and all they want is to make money in the zone like it's an opportunity to them and they also dont hesitate to kill and rob other stalkers for their goods, especially loners. ( I mean in the cordon and at the garbage you can see that they dont really really love eachother and are constantly at war) this faction is also literally ennemy with every other one except for freedom in SoC if i remember well.

In SoC their boss is Borov, located in ||the dark valley|| but like stalkers as i said earlier they wander more in small groups than under the orders of the faction chief like duty or freedom.

Like stalkers they're here to make money, and escape the law sometimes so that's why they're so many, also they wander areas with low experienced stalkers and target them that's why you see so many at the start of the game and they become rarer and rarer (except for the wild territory sometimes) but gameplay-wise they just constantly respawn in many areas such as the car park in the Cordon or at the garbage

Also look your pda entry, there is a small paragraph about the bandit faction

[patent maple]

Usually to escape the law and hide in the Zone. Then make a buck in the Zone taking gear from Stalkers, taxing them or even using them as slaves. Bandits don't have one single boss. There are multiple gangs, all lead by different leaders. In SoC, the biggest group is led by Borov. They instead shoot Stalkers because they're looking for the second key for X-18.

Here's their official description:

Representatives of criminal world who came into the Zone for different reasons: earn from selling the artefacts, hide from the law, buy or sell weapons. The Zone has quite a few of this element, ranging from hoodlums to hardened criminals.

Most of the time they are united into gangs, however there is still no unified bandit organization in the Zone. Bandits pose a big trouble to rank-and-file stalkers

[woeful aurora]

Ok th thanks guys for the explanation!

[vast parcel]

“Bandits pose a big trouble”
You sure about that because my Gauss rifle says otherwise

[woeful aurora]

I will check this, nice

[urban veldt]

Wallet warior...

[unborn marlin]

does the multiplayer allow banditry as a character class?

[queen lava]

No. The only two factions in the multiplayer are Mercenaries and Freedom.

[inland lance]

Why isnt there more banding mugging in game, kinda like in skyrim where they still mug you even if youre wearing the best gear in game

[wicked lodge]

?? You only get for 800 ru... smh...

[vast parcel]

Good point

Hard to put into the game?

Probably Something like that

[raven coral]

||There is some in clear sky but at the start only i guess||

[vast parcel]

Two options for that encounter

1. Pay up
2. Go full on: strelok to the c-consciousness mode

[inland lance]

3. [Intimidation 27]

[vast parcel]

4. Open console commands, whatever the kill one is

[livid badge]

there isn't one

[sour whale]

oh whoops

[unborn marlin]

Yes there is! You open the console, click on the enemy, then type "kill"

You can kill all enemies with npc_kill *

You can also kill entities in 100 meter range with /kill @e[distance=..100]

[regal violet]

Even essential characters?

[livid badge]

He’s baiting, first one is from TES, second one is from Garry’s Mod and third one is from Minecraft.

Console commands in stalker series are more about tweaking settings than giving any in-game advantage. Thee used to be actually powerful commands for testing such as godmode and infinite ammo, but they are disabled for release versions.

[regal violet]

Ahh ok wouldnt know

[patent maple]

Owl

Sultan

Sidorovich

[pine mountain]

Strelok

Skif

Wolf

[dire flare]

Аптечка

[inland lion]

Тріска

[obtuse sigil]

[inland lance]

I was thinking "theres no way its the same way as skyrim"

[stuck yarrow]

[patent maple]

Look for the swamps, my friend

A man is gravely injured

[patent maple]

Nice

[limber ether]

Is it ever specifically stated where Monolith gets their drip and gear? Somethin C-Con kinda had planned from the get go or is it not very elaborated on?

[stuck yarrow]

It was their original uniform, now, who makes more is not known

[limber ether]

Neat. Thank ya

[patent maple]

Yeah, the Monolithians wore the same outfit before they got brainwashed

The faction already existed and they also believed in the Monolith, but they were regular Stalkers, except more cult-y, not brainwashed like the ones we know from the games

As for where they get more gear, that's unfortunately unknown

[sharp token]

Yet, still brainwashed into believing. Some was there on faith, others were braincontrolled, and mostly in between. Hearing monolith voice in their minds, and often under father like figures to boost their fanatism. In short, brainwash is part of the deal

Ig their gear was supplied by C-con, and it just stuck yk hehe

Nothing else can be known

[patent maple]

Nice fanfic bro

[spiral agate]

In the ending where Strelok joins the CC…Who was that person putting on the wires at him…

[weary beacon]

[unborn marlin]

Stalker 2 explains that as the MDST still existing in some capacity

In the trilogy, it’s left vague

[sharp token]

Him?

[modern lagoon]

Chat, i asked the genius for a wish. I'm cooked, none of the wishes are the true ending. ChatGPT asks me to reject the C-Conciousnes, but how ?

The wish i asked: for the zone to dissapear

[dawn portal]

[royal jolt]

You need to do a few certain things in order to get the canon ending.

[modern lagoon]

Holy molly... What things ?

Fortunately, i have some saves that occur prior to follow the group of stalkers

[royal jolt]

So you need to meet up with a stalker named Guide, who is normally across from the farm location in Cordon, then you follow the missions after that until you end up needing to get a decoder from a room in Pripyat that opens a locked door within the CNPP, then you need to fight your way through a load of Monolith and jumping through teleport anomalies until you reach the last teleport that takes you to the C-Con.

[modern lagoon]

fine

So i meet guide, and then i'll get the true ending eventually

Thanks

[royal jolt]

Aye, you can find him across from the farm location in Cordon after disabling the Lab X-16 emitter. This is the start of a quest chain you need to follow in order to get to the Monolith War Lab.

[modern lagoon]

I've done Lab x18, x16 and x10. Am i good ?

[royal jolt]

IIRC it should be any time after X-16 so yeah, you should be good.

[modern lagoon]

alright, thanks

[royal jolt]

No problem, a quick tip though, take plenty of ammo lol.

[modern lagoon]

yeah, i was told to fight them all

fortunately, i count with a weapon that has a sniper view, so i'll do good on headshots

[royal jolt]

Also, save a grenade for Sidorovich. “Marked One, what da heeeeellll!!?” Then you launch a grenade at him.

[modern lagoon]

k

[timid coyote]

Do we know exactly how many times the zone has expanded?

[royal jolt]

I can’t quite remember if this is canon lore or not but I’m sure I read somewhere that with every Emission that is the Zone expanding. So god knows but again that might have only been some speculation.

[timid coyote]

Ah yeah that would definitely make it more difficult to get a rough number down lol

[royal jolt]

If you really want to bone up on your stalker lore, check out Anomalous Dugout channel on YouTube bro, I’ve spent so many hours watching his stuff, it’s top notch, gives you canon accurate lore and also some of his own theories.

[timid coyote]

Thanks bud, I’ll give his channel a look at after this stalker SoC sesh

[royal jolt]

SoC was my favourite of the trilogy. That ending with the teleports on the rooftops an shiz.

[timid coyote]

I love SoC but I can never get over how CoP just plays 10x better (>>>>>IN MY OPINION<<<<<), SoC definitely has the best story and atmosphere in the trilogy though

[sharp token]

Lorewise, I don't really recall anything if you exclude S2 lore. If you consider S2 lore, then the failed Caribbean experiment 1 and 2. Skid's home being blown because of an anomaly spawning right in his house. The whole zone expansion thing is closely tied to anomalies popping outside the zone boundaries and emissions

Trilogy lore, doesn't really confirm much, but rather considers the zone to be expanding due to emissions, or rather the response of the zone to actions made by stalkers, or factions like duty. It is said that the zone is hostile to those who carry enmity towards it, and neutral to who doesn't. You can somewhat consider the Doc as one with neutral relation to the zone as he managed to be off the zone's aggression.

According to CS, the zone reacted to strelok's intrusion with super emissions, so basically it's reacting to enmity with emissions.

[royal jolt]

Isn’t it the C-Con who controls the Emissions? I know they come from the Generators but I’m sure the C-Con can manipulate them?

[sharp token]

They control them as in restrain

[radiant seal]

Their primary goal was to shrink / contain / remove the zone. Which after some time they realized they couldn't do, and they utilized Monolith as a weapon to guard them & essentially try and keep people out of the zone.

They created it, tried to fix it, realized they couldn't.

[sharp token]

The whole reason of monolith and antennas was to force anyone off their hair

[radiant seal]

Yeah basically give them time & space to work on fixing the zone.

Which wasn't really happening.

[sharp token]

The zone grew instable every time someone does something to harm it, like strelok.

[radiant seal]

Yep.

[sharp token]

So, basically the whole super emissions thing was a response

Or rather a reaction

C_Con was barely able to confine the zone as it is

[hollow pecan]

karsteht has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sharp token]

Thus, stalkers's actions are what really causes the zone to expand

[radiant seal]

Bruh this bot.

[sharp token]

Every super emission is probably a sign

[sharp token]

Yep. While they were attempting to reverse the spread of the zone, Strelok essentially fucked them over by causing it to expand even more. He then kills them at which point there's nobody left to even try.

[radiant seal]

Thanks lol.

[sharp token]

Well, after the end of CC, the zone remained unchecked

Old lore suggests that any attempt to harm the zone would result in retaliation, either in forms of emissions, or mutants going mad and aggressive towards everyone.

Legends mentions shamans, ppl managed to become neutrals to the zone. They don't harm it, and it doesn't harm them. Closest thing we have is Doc

[radiant seal]

Ultimately Strelok did something he shouldn't have done, but oh well. He was semi brainwashed.

[sharp token]

Second one yeah

But first intrusion wasn't really on the brainwash list of actions

[patent maple]

From what we know, only once, back during the Second Disaster of 2006

The Zone expanded by 5 KM

[patent maple]

Yeah, afraid that is never stated in the games

Many people think this is the case due to the Second Disaster expanding the Zone

[modern lagoon]

done, got the docs and the decoder. Do i have to go to the sarcophagus next ?

the coffin, tomb, or whatever it's called in the english version

[stuck yarrow]

You will go into a room one floor above

[modern lagoon]

is that where the secret door is at ?

[stuck yarrow]

Using ladder, where you will find locked door

[modern lagoon]

still at the hotel ?

[stuck yarrow]

Have you found the decoder?

Now you need to go to CNPp

[modern lagoon]

yes

found secret rooom at Prypiat's hotel

[stuck yarrow]

Great

Once inside CNPP don't go to Wish Granter, try to find a small room in halls that have ladder that leads up

There you fill find a room with lots of boxes, obstacles and at the end of the hallway you will see a "lab" looking door. Open it with a decoder. Timer will start.

[modern lagoon]

a door that unlocks with a number code.. got it, right ?

[stuck yarrow]

No need to put in a code, just press F on it and decoder will do the rest

[modern lagoon]

ik, use the decoder then

[olive creek]

I like a lot SoC atmoshpere and illumination, that along the map design and story makes it the best of the trilogy for me

[sharp token]

Scambots

[cobalt kite]

do we know when spark was founded (more precisely than between CoP and Stalker 2)?

[iron grail]

Not precisely, but soon after the end of CoP since it's founded by a group you help during that game and they're mentioned in the end slides if you complete their quests

[patent maple]

Unfortunately, no. All we know is that it was created after Ward has entered the Zone and started killing Stalkers after which Marshall's memories got merged with Scar. Even then, we don't have an exact date

[pulsar gorge]

Probably more of an organic and gradual process, first steps already happen in CoP I'd say

[iron grail]

Yeah I guess I don't know if they meant the original spark or the modern spark

[cobalt kite]

okay I see

now time to research ward

[wary nebula]

Hold it! If you've played Call of Pripyat, you help out a band of Stalkers at the Ecologists Bunker. They are comprised of Topol, Snake, Mace, and Spirit. They work for Professor Hermann. If you do the missions to help them all out there, including killing the Controller quickly and doing some field measurements at some Anomaly fields, and they all come out of it alive, you will see them in some new outfits, including an exo-suit and some SEVA suits, and they're in high spirits.

Topol even says to you, Yeah baby! We're now officially known as "Iskra Scientific Research and Investigation Team"!

ISKRA is a Ukrainian word that is spelled ІСКРА in Cyrillic, and translates into English as "Spark". It's no coincidence that the patches worn by members of Spark all have the word ІСКРА on them, and that you frequently encounter their members while they're taking measurements or conducting field experiments.

Many people remember the scene where Scar was acting quite dramatically, jumping around and writhing on the ground in the Wild Territory of Rostok, but did you pay attention to what he was saying? I mean, really pay attention?

"We kept to ourselves... Minded our own... business, even during the New Faction War. 'Til one day- BAM! BAM! BAM! Topol... He was the first to die! Mace... tried to warn us: 'Over here!' But all he could do was... wheeeeeze! Spirit and I tried to escape through the workshop. And then the second assault squad burst in. BOOM! But Snake... had a grenade ready for them. Ruuurgh! 'Thieves rule and Wardens drool!' Boooom!"

And so Scar acted out the final moments of many of the founders of the Iskra Scientific Research and Investigation Team.

So in short, Spark was established in July, 2012.

[livid badge]

Keep S2 fanfiction out of #👓trilogy-lore-and-story

[patent maple]

Yeah, but that's not the same Spark we see in HoC

Also, yes, HoC lore should be talked about in #s2-lore-discussions

[stuck yarrow]

HoC lore is an illusion

[cobalt kite]

mb I didn’t see the channel

[patent maple]

No worries bro, but to answer your question, we sadly don't have an exact date

[cobalt kite]

okie dokie

[spiral agate]

||Thinking about Last/Final Day…||

[spiral agate]

Degy!? :shocke

[sharp token]

Strelok himself lmao

[timid coyote]

What happened to the Stalker loner camp just above the broken bridge in Clear Sky? Why did it dissapear between CS and SoC?

[stuck yarrow]

I guess once they faction disolved it was looted

Swept by emission

[spiral agate]

He used his magic hands

[sharp token]

[amber current]

Since that Loner base, with a lot of equipment and supplies was pretty substantial,
I would say that the Military had the manpower and vehicles, to clean the place out.
The Military prevents the Loners from having that, to weaken their power in the Cordon.

[hollow pecan]

elgauchostalker has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

tolya47 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glad grove]

it didn't disappear, it got retconned. Clear Sky takes precedence over SoC in canon.

[hollow pecan]

fosko_ has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

bilalalal111_02583 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[radiant seal]

Bad word usage lore.

[modern lagoon]

Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

crvcker has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wintry cipher]

Bad word usage

[radiant seal]

Bad word usage lore

[finite anchor]

Lore full of using the bad word

[zealous stirrup]

As a question, would you have liked the grains mentioned in Clear Sky at the end to have looked like something from Shadow of Chornobyl? How were they planning which grains ended up becoming a zombie with a conscience?

The story of Granules was very tragic and interesting. I think it was a big mistake to have cut it at the end of Shadow of Chornobyl.

[livid badge]

... grains?... granules?... what

[zealous stirrup]

She is a discarded character from Shadow of Chornobyl @livid badge

He was a friend of Baldy's at the 100 rad bar.

and before that grains was a member of the bandits in s.t.a.l.k.e.r. clear sky

The context is that after speaking with the innkeeper upon completing the mission of eating, we could enter the bar where Granules was, but now as a zombie but with consciousness, he explained some important things, but in the end Granules takes out a gun and commits suicide right there, unable to bear to continue suffering like a zombie.

[livid badge]

That scene describes Spotty, but he wasn’t planned for CS lol

[zealous stirrup]

I had seen a video in Spanish that talks about the subject and talks about the lore of the bandits and one of that focuses on Spotty who says that he used to be a member of the bandits.

[livid badge]

Ah, Spanish, explains why the names are wrong. Yeah the zombified Baldy friend scene is true. The rest seems to be incorrect from what you’re saying. Spotty did not really appear again in CS development.

I don’t think ANY cut characters returned to later trilogy instalments, apart from Novikov. S2 does bring back a few cut characters such as Tyrant and Prihodko tho.

[zealous stirrup]

It's like this: one of the bandits talks about a bandit named grains because of the grains he had on his face and he had a pet that in the end Yoga himself shot and from there he tortured grains.

Gosh, I'm looking for the video that talked in depth about that topic, but I can't find it.

Ooow @livid badge

I found this one https://youtu.be/uuSSw3N4zUM?si=vKzJGmzwqlPet9M3

According to the video, as I said, Kiril, the bandit mentioned in Clear Sky, is Spotty.

Turn on English subtitles to understand what it says.

[livid badge]

Ah. It’s different characters in source texts, just translated the same. Those characters are unrelated.

That’s why you need to check original language instead of analysing translations or you will end up tying together unrelated stuff. :)

[zealous stirrup]

Okay, I understand, but seriously, the truth is that if this had been real, Spotty's story would be one of my favorites.

but you are interested in watching the video

[livid badge]

Not really. :) It wouldn’t be anything I don’t know and judging by how the author connected the two unrelated characters that got translated the same, the quality of research is probably lacking.

[zealous stirrup]

Okay, I understand, but thank you for taking the time to answer me.

[glossy swift]

25 minutes

[zealous stirrup]

and there is also another video from a well-known channel that also mentions the same topic so on the topic

reason why I believed the fact that it was the same person

[zealous stirrup]

https://youtu.be/_1psOJ9ryZ0?si=1P8mRwiX9rwlAbE-

[magic swan]

guys i have a question concerning the antennas that u can find in pripyat in CoP, in the bookstore and school, are these real antennas or are they an attempt for the monolithians to recreate some kind of monolith ?

[cobalt kite]

theyre attempts from the monolithians. I'm pretty sure Degtyarev calls them a heap of trash

[livid badge]

Not recreate monolith but attempt to contact it once its voice is gone

[cobalt kite]

yeah yeah that

[cedar pond]

heyyy, i havent studied the lore of stalker deeply, but i have a question that someone might know how to answer

1- where does the monolyth faction get all of its gear

[peak moth]

Nobody knows

Some think it predates the Zone

[cedar pond]

2- are they well organized or just a crazy cult that doesnt contact with the outisde

[peak moth]

They have squads which are led by preachers who are typically equipped with an exoskeleton and a Gauss rifle

And sometimes are known to have a lead Preacher taking control of many squads

Like Charon

[cedar pond]

just finished SoC today for the second time and i still dont know anything about theese dudes, they are so freaking misterious

[cedar pond]

found out about that dude today

[peak moth]

Anyways if you get anymore questions just ping me, I don't mind

[raven coral]

Old supplies + drop of dead stalkers + maybe + they probably import from the outside world since you can see them using NATO weapons.

[desert briar]

its called the black market

[indigo mauve]

something cool to keep in mind is how mercs use a lot of outdated (sas suits) and bad rifles (il86)

they either buy cheap stuff because it's well, cheap.

this just show how broke and dispensable mercs are

basically homeless and jobless eastern dudes that just don't have nothing to lose and their lives don't matter

another cool thing is how mercs uses ak rifles in the original trilogy ||unlike the ferver dream that people created that mercs only uses "nato" weapons||

[indigo mauve]

you can find some them with aks in the wild territory and in the cordon in the fanatic mission

in cs/cop they just have a chance to spawn with them

[green gazelle]

Question does the anomalies create like an emp and if so wouldn’t that render the monolith exos useless?

[amber current]

https://tenor.com/view/pulse-wave-sonic-gif-21917725

[hallow shoal]

i feel like that really comes down to how you interpret mercs. i feel in the games they’re shown more as a conclusive and organized group but a lot of mods interpret them as actual PMCs not really very tight knit and just taking jobs where they can. in that sense i feel it makes sense because i think a majority of westerners in the zone would be PMCs

[indigo mauve]

at the same time that the trilogy show them as a organized group, it also shows that being a mercs is a completally hell

[hallow shoal]

but it’s not like anomaly (assuming that’s what you’re referencing) is very lore friendly considering the monolith legitimately grants your wishes at the end of the game.

[indigo mauve]

hungry, suicidal missions, betrayals, etc

[hallow shoal]

heavy on the betrayals, how could they do that to my previous professor herman… you know he was keeping them paid good too

[indigo mauve]

also, from where people get that mercs are westerns?

literally the only mention for that is a suit description and the fact that they use lr-300

[hallow shoal]

i think it would make sense… not that it’s entirely how the original trilogy has them portrayed but i think a PMC in the zone would have a lot of western influence TBH

i don’t hate it. i think it makes sense really

[indigo mauve]

kinda meh

i like the idea of mercs being easterns more

it's also hinted by the trilogy to be like that

[hallow shoal]

to each their own, i think as far as factions go mercs would be by far the most diverse

money is the biggest motivator for the zone, and a lot of westerners, ex military, stuff like that would most certainly go to the zone and try and get some PMC action and get paid

but as a clear sky meatrider extraordinaire of course science is a way cooler reason to be in the zone

[indigo mauve]

nah

trilogy itself tells that the outside world don't know the existence of the zone

[hallow shoal]

maybe outside world governments

but word gets around in the paramilitary and PMC space… people in the right place or with the right people hear about things before the population often

[indigo mauve]

very difficult to be

[hallow shoal]

some sketchy guy in the corner of a bar somewhere may have a brother or friend in ukraine who feeds him all kinds of wild stories… stuff like that will get around between people in the right places at the right time

mind you i’m a big stalker roleplayer on dayz so i’m a lot more open to small (but believable) stretches in lore to excuse a cool character or backstory

[indigo mauve]

mercs are show to be really poor in the zone, so it's make more sense that mercs are actually people hired by a company from the region with a minimal suplies to try to get artefacts and documents

[hallow shoal]

are they? i guess it depends but i mean they sure have a fair bit of exoskeletons and kitted/upgraded assault rifles

[desert briar]

yhea so you wouldnt accept the PMC route bc it is a very lame and boring route

[indigo mauve]

in cop mercs are really dying from starvation

💀

[hallow shoal]

no actually i look at a lot of whitelists and we have to deny a fair bit of “i was ex special forces and came into the zone for a PMC operation…. my name is john badass 3000”

[desert briar]

so you do think its lame and deny a lot of them

[hallow shoal]

that’s fair but we see that with about every faction. i think every group except monolith has a line or two about it

[hallow shoal]

i don’t disagree that it’s lame and uninteresting but i think it would be bold to assume there’s no western mercs or merc squads in the zone

[desert briar]

if it aint in the games, it aint in the story

[hallow shoal]

“it’s all americans and they’re all PMCs” is lame but i think it would be totally plausible that some of the mercs we see or some of the merc squads would be westerners

[indigo mauve]

i beleave that people like to think that mercs are westerns just to be a easy way to make a self-insert in the zone

[hallow shoal]

i agree, i think diehard merc fanboys who insert themselves as badass american tarkov guy #12 are a bit overdone (and usually only play gamma)

but i’m not here to yuck someone’s yum you know

[desert briar]

you should be ruder

[hallow shoal]

but i’m friend

either way they’re all lame because clear sky exists

[livid badge]

No?

[amber current]

Don't you know? All the Mercs are Wagner.

[ancient fiber]

Tbf they do give off wagner pmc vibes

Are they russians? Or just a mix

[amber current]

They'll take anyone willing to do what they say.

[ancient fiber]

Whos the leader?

Also if this was irl the Freedom Faction would prob be align as a terriorist group lol

[amber current]

There are different leaders, depending on the game.

[hearty wharf]

I need you to clarify something for me real quick or point at someone who can 😁

Our last convo about the trips to CNPP & Yavorsky's interview urged me to start digging up similar interviews & promo materials in general for the trilogy, and I came across an old archived website that looks like a promo page for ShoC: it has a "stalker-videogame" domen, tons of cool descriptions, screenshots, dev diaries, engine descriptions, buying links leading to THQ Store etc — do you know anything about it? Is this a legit ShoC promo website or not?

[livid badge]

There absolutely was a THQ-made website to promote SoC (separate from the gsc-game and stalker-game made by GSC that is well known) and it stopped functioning years ago. I do not remember the domain (will have to check) but there is a high chance it is legit. Can you DM me the screenshots of the website? Or post them in #💬┃en_offtop / #📸┃trilogy-screenshots

[hearty wharf]

Here's a screen: #📸┃trilogy-screenshots message

[hallow oxide]

Was Zaton accessible before Strelok disabled the Brain Scorcher?

[stuck yarrow]

No

Some light populatio maybe, stalkers who somehow found a way. But after SoC the path there was open.
Probably via Red Forest

[glossy swift]

No.

[hallow oxide]

Where it is stated?

[stuck yarrow]

One of the dialogues with stalkers I think say that Brain Scorcher blocked the path and even the CoP trailer shows that first stalkers there were couple of stalkers including Garry

@hallow oxide

[jolly pulsar]

Okay as I've been playing more and more I've been genuinely wondering do we know what the monolith is is it a mass hallucination caused by psi radiation or is it an actual living entity this is the question I have rattling around in my head at the moment

[shell pond]

the real ending to SoC has the answer you seek

[jolly pulsar]

Unfortunately the trilogy gives me motion sickness I own them of course and HOC doesn't do it so playing them is not really possible

[livid badge]

Motion sickness from what? Camera movement? Put cam_inert 0 in console, you’ll basically start floating

[shell pond]

man ur missing out then
u can try mod overhauls if ur on pc

[jolly pulsar]

Nah Xbox and yes it sadns me I want to play them but everytime I try I get nauseous

It's the only three games in existence that do that to me

[unborn marlin]

Is there a lore reason why aiming down sights doesn’t work in the slightest in SoC

[livid badge]

Get them on pc if you get the chance it’s objectively better editions

AND you can control camera bobbing

Win win

[zealous stirrup]

Hey guys, I have a question for you. Would it be nice if S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 and its DLCs brought back discarded maps from Shadow of Chornobyl, like the Dead City?

[glossy swift]

I think there's an area of Chornobyl-2 inspired on Dead City.

[zealous stirrup]

It wouldn't be Limash that appears in Clear Sky.

[glossy swift]

No.

[zealous stirrup]

So which city would be for you?

[iron grail]

Well there's a lot of speculation that lymansk will make a return in a dlc at least. If they took some inspiration for cut areas from the trilogy that would be neat as long as it fit

[zealous stirrup]

It would be a delight to see Lymansk and the Dead City, and what other maps existed? I don't remember, but I understand that there were several and they were shown on the Shadow of Chornobyl map.

[glossy swift]

Pripyat-1 (already it's in HoC)
Labs: X-16, X-10, X-8, Control Monolith Center

Maps in the PDA of SoC:
Rostok Factory (just an MP level)
Darkscape
Dead City

Places mentioned in the OGs:
City-32
Rotten Forest (both are mentioned in SoC folklore)
Underground below Garbage (An generic NPC of Clear Sky can speaks of that)
Unknown Lab near Radar (Ganja speaks about that)

[stuck yarrow]

Unknown lab could be x10

We need Darkscape back

[zealous stirrup]

Thanks for the information. I'm really shocked to see the pile of removed maps. I feel like they could be brought back, but adapted to the current release.

[zealous stirrup]

It is not the x19 laboratory

[glossy swift]

It's X-10, X-19 is an mistake.

[stuck yarrow]

I said x10

[livid badge]

the other way around, x10 just sticked

[bronze basin]

🥀

[lyric oxide]

Wait it doesn’t have I been messing up by aiming down sights? I just started tbh

[finite lintel]

finished clear sky and i thought it happened during/right after SoC but the ending makes it pretty clear that its a prequel

so it is monolith that brainwashes strelok to kill strelok?

[bitter pelican]

It's C-Consciousness, monolithians are their puppets

[hushed wharf]

Ive googled it but I cant find anything about it, but doesnt barkeep mention that either ghost or fang eliminated sin, or a faction like sin, like a group of dark stalker!? I remember seeing something about that a while ago but cant find anything about it anywhere.

Nevermind, it was final day

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Day

[indigo mauve]

sin and dark stalkers are cut content

[livid badge]

Funnily enough, so is Final Day

Yet still canon due to a mention

[wicked lodge]

such is life in the zone where everyone swears

[solid urchin]

Only the faction name is canon

[hollow pecan]

anrose0 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

maksimusdikus has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

sir_whiterabbit has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[shadow ore]

I have a lore question
In the opening sequence to Clear Sky, the ecologists mention the Bergman scale - used to rate the severity of an emission
Is there any more information relating to this scale anywhere in the games?

[solid urchin]

Its just a couple vague mentions during the story of CS

[livid badge]

That’s the only mention. Trilogy is full of background lore emerging through single mentions. City-32, illusionists, Rotten Forest, you name it.

[solid urchin]

I dunno if they threw all that stuff in to keep the lore open for more games, or if they had plans to use them but they got canceled, or if it's just superficial attempts to make the lore seem deeper than it really was

[livid badge]

They didn’t really, a lot of those things come from fanfiction contests where short stories were compelling enough that devs added those into the game

The only exception is a short callback to Illusionist in CS

But that happened only because an author of the fic that featured him got hired to write dialogues for CS

But generally speaking no, GSC did not really keep in mind all the stuff ever mentioned, they didn’t have any lore bible or anything

They just made games and put new cool stuff in it when they felt like it

[amber current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_KHvJ4qFZM

[empty nimbus]

damn I never saw that and it makes me appreciate the games so much more

[livid badge]

Anton Bolshakov (the guy in the thumbnail) left GSC a week after Clear Sky’s release due to how criticized the game was lol

[south sparrow]

[glossy swift]

• Director of Oblivion Lost
• Director of Shadow of Chernobyl
• Director of Clear Sky

What a shame that CoP don't had anton bolshakov as director, surely would be a much better game with him.

[livid badge]

Only Clear Sky was really his game, for SoC Koan & Prof were the lead devs behind core decisions

Ruslan Didenko became the lead for CoP.

[glossy swift]

and was the work of Ruslan Didenko in SoC? (i think that he appear on the stalkerteam photo for the SoC release), i know that was one of the two main writters of Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat.

[livid badge]

He worked on the game, yeah, he just wasnt a lead dev.

[glossy swift]

Ruslan Didenko would made a good game if Jupiter and Zaton wasn't too big and instead of it CoP had 10 levels

[livid badge]

I mean, part of bad feedback on CS was about reusing levels

So no, he couldn’t make a game with 10 levels

Because it wouldn’t be him making it

[glossy swift]

i read/heard this every time when someone complaine against Clear Sky.

[south sparrow]

Out of all the things to complain, the reuse of maps?

[livid badge]

Back in 2008 that was a big concern yeah

Which is why CoP is less but entirely new content, originally they wanted to reuse maps for CoP as well

At least Red Forest and warehouses were on the menu iirc

[glossy swift]

CS haters love complain about that, even if the reworked levels are 2 times better than his SoC versions and have more content.

[unborn marlin]

Clear sky had the best map layout

[amber current]

Did he go to one of the ex-GSC employees ventures?

[livid badge]

No, went into a basically nameless mobile / web game studio

[amber current]

Clear Sky had the most patches, that was until Stalker 2 came out.

[livid badge]

Technically speaking, by this point SoC had more. If we count 1.0007rc1 steam beta, localization patches,and multiple versions of 1.0006.

But yeah I get what you mean. Back then there were also no major content updates.

Bar a few exceptions like CS quests and soc suits hidden in different areas

1.5.01 had unique quests that do not appear on any other patch!

[amber current]

Did you ever get your hands on the leaked Clear Sky Demo?

[livid badge]

Build 3120? Or 3436? I played them both of course. And countless SoC builds.

Wish we had some more mid-development prototype, that would be interesting to explore.

[amber current]

The leaked Demo I am talking about went nowhere. You were in a tiny section of the Marshes,
north of the Fishing Hamlet. Your task was to escape passing helicopters overhead and to
cross over bridges and logs to other sections, and then you fought a few Bandits, who
were never identified as Renegades. It did not get near the Pump Station or any
other recognizable sites. After the scenario ended, there was no place to go.

[livid badge]

That’s build 3120, yes. Renegades were not conceived as an idea at this point in development.

Aug 2007. The build they showed at Leipzig convention.

[amber current]

I have a copy of that but it's on an older computer I was using in 2007.

[livid badge]

It’s easy to find online. All stalker development prototypes and design documentation has been well documented by the community. I am surprised you never went into it yourself considering how much time you spent with the series.

I spent over hundred of hours playing and studying that build. I know of every tidbit of content that lies in there unused. Of the unique script logic that’s different from the release game. And of a dozen way to crash it. :)

[amber current]

GSC never really did anything with the helicopters, like they implied in that Demo.

[livid badge]

There was a lot of content only planned for demos and not intended to be in the game. There were plans for helis though. Release dialogues still mention them.

[amber current]

So do you know the story why the Guide would take you to the Fishing Hamlet 9 times out of 10, but sometimes to that location north of the Fishing Hamlet?

[livid badge]

Surprisingly no, there is code for leading there if fishing hamlet is currently not occupied, but I don’t know why it sometimes activates even when the location is occupied

[amber current]

I 'm not trying to test you. I don't know either. Just the frustration of being fully loaded with loot,
like at the Machine Yard or Southern Farmstead and expecting to use the Guide and appear at the
Fishing Hamlet (where I made my main stash since there were none at the Clear Sky base) and then
appearing north of it, facing south in front of a wooden foot bridge, having to walk there overloaded.

[amber current]

That is the only location that would do that. The Guide always worked perfectly going to any other location.

[livid badge]

That is the only location that has any kind of special behaviour related to guide point in the code.

[amber current]

I guess nothing significant enough to be corrected or changed.

[livid badge]

What do you mean by that? Nothing significant about what? What should be corrected

[amber current]

The Guide not taking you directly to the Fishing Hamlet every single time.

Are you preoccupied doing something else? I never changed the subject.

I mean I'm multitasking now. Talking to you, uploading videos and watching TV.

[livid badge]

Sorry, no, just got confused for a bit. I can get you the exact code the game executes to determine which point fishing hamlet leads to when I get home.

[amber current]

I'm too busy with Stalker 2, to be doing anything with the trilogy games. Thanks.
It's like the more I explore, the more that I realize there is much more I haven't seen.
I really believe that people that finish Stalker 2 in 100 hours, see about 15% of the game.

[green gazelle]

So would yall say there is a chance for a stalker 3 in the future? Maybe it could be the being of when people start to come into the zone, like how rdr2 is where you have the story on how Strelock got his gang together and how they became famous

I mean for there gang to be so infamous there has to be a way they can make a game where they became reveared

[peak moth]

Theres a whole lotta options for it

If we're getting a new game at one point i wouldnt say itll take place after 2021

My guess is kinda like that, back in older times (maybe even nearer to the 2nd Emission) or in between CoP and HoC

[empty nimbus]

I think we will get a sequel and a prequel just like SoC did.
I feel like many things are still open to interpretation between CoP and HoC while being fun to explore. It also is way easier than dealing with the large changes coming from S2's ending.
I wouldn't be too surprised if we play Richter, Nimble or a random Ward guy.

[uncut zodiac]

SoC had a sequel and a prequel?

Oooooh. Clear sky

[hollow pecan]

tai_876539_t has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[languid sentinel]

Man.
Why the monolith territory is so full of radiation?

And they can bloody survive the radiation.

[south sparrow]

Monolith armor is generally really good against radiation

Also, cause they probably didnt think about it properly through development

Which territory are you in tho, red forest, pripyat, cnpp?

[languid sentinel]

The border between the monolith, to turn on something electrical in a base and that has several traps like explosive barrels and full of anomalies of creatures that I killed along the way in the game.

[south sparrow]

I uh, honestly don't really know which part that is lol

Could you give me a screenshot if possible pls

[languid sentinel]

Radar?

[south sparrow]

Ah, radar

Well, its close to the brain scorcher and cnpp, so imagine theres just a lot of radiation because of the explosion

[languid sentinel]

Ok then..
And i can get a monolith suit for being immune of the radiation?

The exo monolith.

[south sparrow]

For SoC theres no exo monolith, but if you explore enough later on, you'll get some cool stuff

Maybe, for now, either get a good anti-radiation suit or get many artifacts

[languid sentinel]

Well, i have the loner exo.
Is that good?

[south sparrow]

If you can carry anti-radiation artifacts to compensate the radiation, yeah

You'll get shot a lot, so better have good bullet armor

[solemn cloud]

Are there any videos online of Clear Sky builds? Or CoP builds and how they went trough it? Same like there are videos of SoC builds.

[south sparrow]

https://youtu.be/8UEhmPb-EsY?si=y9iRy8dh9HIQUVBL

Best I can find

Surdno always documenting something

[solemn cloud]

So at the start CS was just being made on SoC engine. Interesting.

[glossy swift]

+-

Build 3120 has engine edits and that.
On the first months of the development of CS (the development started +- after the release of patch 1.0004) GSC used Shadow of Chernobyl as platform.
We can see screenshots or videos where Hospital and Polygon have "SoC thingis".

[glossy swift]

And don't there several builds of CS and CoP.
Clear Sky has Build 3120 (Marsh), Build 3120 (Extended) and Build 3464 (or smth), any other build is lost media (atleast until someone post smth prior to these).

CoP has more builds but the changes and differences with the retail title are minimal because CoP was finished on +-8 months of development and the next months until the release was just work on bugfixes.

[livid badge]

All games are extensions of each other. It's not SoC's engine because it already has a bunch of edits. There are even earlier builds (not leaked) that were even closer to SoC.

Similarly, you can find CoP early screenshots that still had Scar visual. Or CS UI. Because those were developed off CS.

They never started development from scratch, they just took their last game, stripped what's not needed and continued development.

[hollow pecan]

freeeagle has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[languid sentinel]

Why stalker have different guns names than the real names of guns?

[hollow pecan]

servig has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[south sparrow]

I've heard it was because of copyright

[languid sentinel]

Wait, guns have copyright?

[pine mountain]

Of course they do

[south sparrow]

You learn something new everyday, right?

Technically, they aren't copyrighted, but trademarked.
You get it

[languid sentinel]

So if a company from france trying to make a "better" ak-74u, were processed by a Russian company?

[south sparrow]

I know some, but I don't know that much

[hollow pecan]

mytz1927 has been warned

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davfis has been warned

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xejljl_7_djoh has been warned

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[near python]

what are the voices in psi emossion audio

[south sparrow]

Like, who are they or what do they say?
And wdym by psi emission? They aren't in the trilogy

[near python]

Wrong channel

WRONG CHANNEL SORRY

[south sparrow]

BAN THEN MOD THEN BAN THEN MOD THEN VIP'EM AND THEN BAN'EM AGAIN

[pine mountain]

Damn this channel so bare bones

[livid badge]

Psi emission as in psi radiation I suppose

Radiation is a type of emission after all. Not the blowout-kind of “emission” but regular emissions.

So psi is an emission type as well.

[south sparrow]

Well yeah, but I didnt remember any voices within that, or at least legible ones, so I discarded it

[livid badge]

The audio file is called psy_voices and IIRC it’s just heavily edited loner voicelines

[south sparrow]

Huh

Well, thanks for clarifying, that's actually neat to know

[harsh token]

the military armoured suit + artefacts is the best, as its essenitially just a better seva suit

[south sparrow]

Basically, yeah

[harsh token]

in soc I use it and two moonlights, a crystal, a mama's beads and something else I can't remember

shame you can't use any artefacts with it in the later games

[livid badge]

i use tourist suit and 5 moonlights

[hollow pecan]

surdno has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[south sparrow]

You like running, I see

[harsh token]

one moonlight lets you run infintely, two moonlights is good to run when overencumbered, any more than that and you run out of slots for other useful ones

I can imagine moonlight artefacts been sold outside of the zone to atheletes and bodybuilders, can you imagine how that would shift the world of competition?

[livid badge]

Sunrise and Wind of freedom having lower stamina loss coeff is probably one of the most unknown mechanics in the game.

[livid badge]

Tourist suit has you permanently overencumebred because it only changes the “max weight before you can’t walk” value not “max weight before your stamina loss is higher”

[harsh token]

yep, normally its 50kg but you can carry 60kg whilst being overencumbered, but the tourist suit just lets you carry 60kg unencumbered, but when you have 61kg thats it

[livid badge]

Which is why you need moonlights to counterbalance being overencumbered

[south sparrow]

I actually didnt know that, yeah

[harsh token]

yeah but five of them is overdoing it, you need anti-rad and bulletproof cap ones surely

[grizzled lichen]

know of any YT channels that do the like matrix download lore into your brain thing for stalker

[hollow pecan]

speciuletz has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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salezer has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

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robotix80 has been warned

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[lean cairn]

People are unable to post here without saying a bad word

[south sparrow]

SOMEONE TALK SERIOUSLY HERE PLS

[lean cairn]

l23_final_battle

Soulful idea

Wait thats cut content, not apart of lore and story

[south sparrow]

😭

[pulsar gorge]

YOU BROKE THE BOT-STREAK

[hollow pecan]

notvrairhead has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[south sparrow]

NOT AGAIN

[pine mountain]

Damn, this chat really dead af
pokes it with a stick

[lean cairn]

Late reply, but yeah, I know, had to break it before people got too attached.

[exotic umbra]

i am going to leave this for the record Triology lore > stalker 2 lore

[livid badge]

That’s the consensus

[hollow pecan]

dameinu_mookon has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[late herald]

Did you know the marked one is actually strelok

[livid badge]

that's what they want you to think

[alpine flicker]

Duty propaganda

[jade egret]

I think I found one of ur PDA's #📸┃trilogy-screenshots

[ornate hollow]

A stalker once said, the sky is looking too clear

So some "scientists" hired an old merc and tried stopping him from making it less clear

that's the whole game, 9/10 (I'm still mad about the off centered sights)

[median elbow]

mtb position out of memory...this issue ive only in stalker call of pripyat ee edition.Anyone see this issue?and i guess some quests dont go on normally after i get this error after some hours of playing.its somehow isnt gamebreaking bug so far coz only in zatom but as i write earlier some quests dont go on or finish like usual.

[livid badge]

my favourite part of the lore, memory crashes

[rain brook]

Bruh

[thin creek]

Hey guys, i just cant find any info about this anomaly, is it part of cut anomaly or just mod addon because i cant find name of it even ingame, its like green leaf web laying on ground and louring player with small fire particles flying in middle of it.
Ive now seen in mod narodnaya solyanka and oblivion mod.

And it grabs you if you step in , it closes and fully damagw your armor to 0%

[hollow pecan]

laivex has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

attackgod has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[edgy drift]

so i just happened to be watching a video about SoC and when Red? or what his name is, finds Strelok at the start. he says that "this one seems to be alive, what a lucky guy. at least death would have saved him from the dreams" the part about the dreams is what i am curious about because i thought the lore was that previously the people found from Death Trucks, were always dead before. so does Red know more than he lets onto here?

[iron grail]

Honestly I'm not even sure I would read that much to it. Though I'm curious if it was the same in the original language or if that was a translation edit or addition

[edgy drift]

lol why not? we're supposed to have been the only time someone from a Death Truck was found alive after a crash so it feels noticable that Red knew something about dreams which could possibly be the memory visions we get throughout the game and so, how would he know anything about that

[livid badge]

Idk how you know but holy crap you are right, this is not a bit that was in game’s native languages. He just says “oh well, who knows what’s better for you”, there is nothing about dreams in there.

It’s not even a mistranslation because mistranslations imply some layer that the translators did not catch, eg there is one line in SoC where “made a ton of money” got translated as “impressed a lot of chicks”, because it used a slang word for money that could be mixed up with a similar slang word for women.

In this case there was completely nothing about dreams, and thanks to our extensive knowledge of build history and dev prototype research we can say it’s not some old texts either (like what happened to C-Con lore, it’s just based on outdated info). In this case it’s very clearly a liberty taken by translators.

[south sparrow]

so it's just "sounds cool, add it" lmao

nice

[iron grail]

I had no logical basis for that guess other than the fact that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense and doesn't get brought up again. That just made it strike mas the sort of thing that got added or changed in translation

[edgy drift]

Aw, oh well

[valid bay]

Am I the only one who thinks Duty is the only threat in the zone?

[south sparrow]

Yes

[valid bay]

Because Freedom is already peaceful, Stalkers want to make money selling artifacts, Monoliths are brainwashed and only protect the NPP and the Wishing Stone, Ecologists are here for research, Clear Sky is already gone, and mercenaries are here for money again. And generally, these factions don't kill each other for any reason other than money.

Duty and Military are a complete threat; they shoot at everyone and all they want is to control the area.

Even Monoliths have a purpose, like worshipping the Wishing Stone.

[valid bay]

I knew it

[south sparrow]

Duty doesnt shoot at everyonez military does

[valid bay]

this true

[south sparrow]

And duty specifically doesnt want to control the area, but rather destroy it

Thats why they tried to put a bomb in the center, although unsuccessfully

[valid bay]

In SOC, the bandit called Snitch gives us this information in exchange for money, but I have no idea whether he's lying or not Snitch: "Duty is basically controlled from the outside by the government. Their current objective is to clear the territory of mutants and destroy Freedom, which is what they are doing at the moment. When the time is right, they will drop a large assault force in the Zone and take control of the area."

[south sparrow]

I think CS and CoP reinforce the idea that they wanted to destroy the zone more than anything

But I should probably revise the theory and texts

[valid bay]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Snitch here link

[inner elm]

Like any sane and sensible people would.

[valid bay]

In Stalker Cop, there are things that show just how corrupt the Duty faction is. Like Duty selling weapons to bandits, or hiding General Tachenko's dead body from everyone. The funny thing is, Duty claims to be flawless, lmao. In Cop, I always help Freedom, and that's what I always do.

[south sparrow]

Yeah, freedom claims to be flawless too, yet I wonder what they have done

[desert briar]

redditor

[inner elm]

That's one guy, Morgan, who basically went rogue. Regarding Tachenko, obviously they would protect that piece of information. What did you expect them to do, shout "Hey, look, one of our great leaders died in a time anomaly. Let's make fun of him. What an idiot"?

[valid bay]

Freedom isn't perfect either, but unlike Duty, they shy away from dirty work. For example, in Stalker Soc, if you join Freedom and clear out Duty Camp, the Freedom leader will tell you that there's a malicious Freedom member leaking information and that you need to kill them.

But have you ever seen anything like that happen with the Duty members? They probably didn't even know about it until the Duty General in Yanov showed him the Duty PDA that was selling weapons to those bandits. Or maybe they did know and were doing it knowingly.

[valid bay]

The biggest proof that the Duty are already a group fighting among themselves is this:

In Stalker SOC, you can see Skull and a group of Duty moving to the Army Warehouse to kill the Freedoms (I killed all the Duty members).

Skull, acting alone and not following the rules of Duty, wanted to kill Freedom with a few other Duty members, but he failed.

[inner elm]

Good for you. I killed all the Freedom members in Call of Pripyat who were trying to raid the Duty warehouse in Yaniv.

[valid bay]

As I said before, there's nothing wrong with factions killing each other for money because almost everyone is there for the money, except for Monolith, but Duty is bored and Freedom's free lifestyle bothers them.

[valid bay]

Freedom generally dislikes mercenaries and bandits.

Freedom doesn't experience internal conflicts.
If someone betrays Freedom, they are killed.
However, when something like this happens in Duty, the Duty members pay the military agent Major to cover up these dirty deeds.
Duty is already the most corrupt group.
Because their goal isn't money.
We can say they have no goal at all. Even Monolith has a goal, like worshipping Wish Granter, but the Duty members going around saying things like "we're the strongest" doesn't make them stronger; on the contrary, it makes them worse.

[inner elm]

"Freedom generally dislikes mercenaries and bandits". Is that why in Clear Sky Freedom is mostly neutral to Bandits and why the Freedom announcer made deals with mercenaries in Dark Valley?

[valid bay]

Freedom is not neutral towards bandits at all, because sometimes bandits kill Freedom members and take their place at the gateway between Garbage and Dark Valley.

[inner elm]

By default, they are neutral. Joining Freedom will also not make Bandits automaticaly hostile, compared to joining the Loners or Duty.

"Bandits are hostile to all other factions in Clear Sky except Freedom, although they occasionally **bug **and shoot a Freedom member which leads them to be hostile to them as well."

After all, it's only normal for a bunch of stoners and lowlifes to tolerate each other.

[livid badge]

Joining freedom is basically cut content, you should not view that as a part of the lore

In SoC they simply never interact, in CS they are hostile

[inner elm]

Well, since it made it to the final game, it's not really cut.

[livid badge]

There are many things that are “not really cut” but not part of the lore, because they are tied to earlier developer intentions that changed by release game. I could name a few dozen things in SoC encyclopaedia alone that are there, and yet not canon.

It only made it into release in a form that is possible through bug abuse.

[inner elm]

Regardless, strictly from a lore point of view, Scar wouldn't join any group since he is a mercenary, after all.

[livid badge]

Would it make sense for him to do so? It wouldn’t, I agree. But he clearly does in the game, just take a look at how enthusiastic every dialogue with the faction leader sounds

It’s just one of the cases where devs intentions with lore and devs intentions with gameplay collided. Yes, you can make up headcanon explanations like “oh he is just working for that faction”, but in-game and in dev materials it always was referred to as joining, so not really.

It’s similarly to how devs decided to include emissions as a mechanic to a game where the protagonist’s whole point is that he’s immune to them. It is a little absurd.

[inner elm]

I remember him being quite friendly towards Clear Sky, which is understandable since they are the ones to save his life.

[valid bay]

Scar was recently exposed to NPP emissions, and many people in SOC and Pripyat found a monolith with Vintorez in its hand in the basement of a building. They said it could be Scar, the mercenary. If the rumor is true, good news, at least we found the monolith.

The Monoliths are brainwashed people; that is, they lack self-awareness. Therefore, although they act hostile towards everyone, it is not their fault because they cannot control themselves. The Monoliths are more useful than Duty, who consciously wants to establish an authoritarian state; at least they prevent the state from approaching the Nuclear Power Plant.

[inner elm]

The whole Charon being Scar theory, while intriguing, is nothing more than wishful thinking. There are expert Loners in Clear Sky, who have Exoskeletons and Vintar BCs, so there is nothing special about Scar's weapon.

[umbral lotus]

I like to ask a question about the blind dogs. Can they still be trained and tamed like domestic dogs? ( I know, stupid question)

[inner elm]

Noah trained one pseudodog, so I guess it would work with blind dogs too.

[umbral lotus]

It would be cool to see skif adopt a puppy. Maybe give him a cool name. Like Greg

[inner elm]

Yeah, but what would he do with the pup? Who would take care of him? Skif would be constantly on a mission, moving all the time.

[umbral lotus]

I didn't think of that. It would make sense if he gave it to certain npcs or give it to noontide as a sort of therapy dog.

[inner elm]

Yeah, Noontide would be the best option. I don't know how far you are into the story, but... ||Noontide no longer exists.||

[umbral lotus]

Dang it. I recently got the game. Now poor Greg has no home 😢 (imaginatively)

[inner elm]

You shouldn't have clicked on the spoiler text, man!

[umbral lotus]

My bad xD

[inner elm]

I'm just joking. Enjoy the game! Don't worry! You'll find other likeable characters throughout the story who can look after Greg.

[jolly pulsar]

What's the story with the cnpp ik the event itself kinda stayed the same I just don't know how far off our timeline it went well besides the zone being a thing I just want to know more due to the upcoming DLC I own the trilogy but thay give me motion sickness so I haven't been able to enjoy them like I'd like to

[south sparrow]

maybe try them again but use the command "cam_inert 0" or 0.1

should reduce the camera shake effects when walking to the minimum, if not completely

[jolly pulsar]

Oh I'm on Xbox series x so that's not really possible

[south sparrow]

ah dammit

[jolly pulsar]

Yeah and I really want to enjoy them for some reason there the only games I own that do it and I know it's not the graphics cas I can play fallout 3 perfectly fine

[south sparrow]

well I can't answer this properly, but you can go to the stalker wiki fandom page, or maybe check "The Anomalous Dugout" video on the stalker timeline, should be good

I know the wiki can have some problems at times so mayyyybe the video is etter

[jolly pulsar]

I'll check it out I'm in love with this world and really want to know more

[ebon minnow]

its the same thing, the cnpp itself only has the wish granter basically, which arrived years after the accident

[lost valve]

Guys so I was just curoius I just finished stalker soc recently about a week or 2 ago and I got all the endings AND I LOVED IT THIS IS SUCH A GOOD GAME I CANT WAIT OT PLAY Clear sky is it just as good as soc? Also, there isnt a lot of quests in the base game I have realized in soc and the main questline I think could relatively speed ran pretty fast or am I wrong about that 😭

Should I play the enchanced edition? ( I did play soc with zrp with the non enchanced edition)

[livid badge]

you can try it if you want but the changes will be minor.

in fact you'll be more likely to see less stuff as you played the original modded

clear sky best game

[lost valve]

Then would you say the orignal with srp is better?

[south sparrow]

original unmodded is best, but you can try SRP if you want

[lost valve]

got it

[lost valve]

Is the c-conciousness evil?

||Like is all they have aaid a lie or to decieve and they dont want anything good?||

[south sparrow]

What do you think

Like, what is your opinion

[glossy swift]

To me, aren't less than mfs but that's according to ur opinion, i see em as bad guys because im not agree with eir behaviour and either with eir goals, much less if we count that "the group"

[livid badge]

It is somewhat open-ended in the original games, in S2 canon yeah they are pretty much evil

[lost valve]

Sorry I had an emergency i needed to take care of 😭

[lost valve]

But initalliy yes I did believe just @livid badge that its open ended and I was unsure maybe they wanted to get rid of the zone and at least make it very small and help the world but I wasent sure. but now reflecting on it I think they are deceptive and maybe even if they are good they are perhaps very misguided and as surdno mentioned again it seems they are evil I guess 😅

[south sparrow]

<@&1429819918492368916> BRO NO WAY THIS IS SO REAL BRO CLICK IT

[sharp token]

[pulsar gorge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/2kkenny-hell-pod--k01KR1NE5947XC2FN5DZTRPG29D

[golden veldt]

where did it go i wanted to click that