👓trilogy-lore-and-story

[winged lodge]

Why is there only SoC with an Arena :(??

[hazy horizon]

Because SoC is built different

[winged lodge]

Then older is smarter/better...

[hazy horizon]

By the way, SoC's arena is supposed to have mutants according to dialogues

Instead of human enemies

[summer mango]

I'm still disappointed i sometimes have lag or freezes but I think that's just my computer now

[livid badge]

Build remnants

Same with Baldy mentioning buying new gear for the arena

You went with your own stuff at one point

[hazy horizon]

that actually would've been cool thing to have in original SoC

would make last arena fight way easier also

[livid badge]

This is for original trilogy lore and story, for S2 go #s2-lore-discussions

[vivid zenith]

oops srory

[regal onyx]

Hey everyone I have a question in the game we have alien like in the book or nothing like that ?

[sour quiver]

Dunno

[livid badge]

No, there are no aliens in stalker apart from occasional stalkers theorising about the zone origin and saying it might be alien experiment but it’s a myth in case of stalker lore

[regal onyx]

Okok thank for the answer

More I play S2 more I want see a Stalker game MMOFPS just after the event in 2006 like that u can choose ur faction and fight against

[livid badge]

There were almost no stalkers for first few years in the zone. Factions did exist but they likely were very different in scale.

[minor coyote]

Folks i got at a certain point in the game where I have lost the story completely. This is my first stalker game so I wasnt really into the lore but atleast I kind of followed it. But I am at a certain point where i have no idea what I am actually doing story wise. Can someone help me out and give me a quick recap of where I am? ||i just found the scanner and got out of the swamps||

Also I dont really want to know everythijg bout the story. Just the headups so I can enjoy the lore more. Like who are the core persons such as Strider, Faust, scar. I have completely forgey where I met these folks xd

[patent maple]

You can ask in #s2-lore-discussions, this channel is for the Trilogy

Strider: Former Monolithian, created his own haven for other former Monolithians
Scar: Protagonist of Clear Sky, originally a mercenary. Can somehow survive Emissions (although they're still lethal for him)

[restive steeple]

was the terminology started in 2008?

I can't remember the CoP slide but I'm sure it was soon after the second disaster

[patent maple]

Yes

[livid badge]

I mean, there was already duty in 2006 so stalkers kinda existed if factions did. By 2009 there were 100-300 stalkers.

[patent maple]

Father Valerian also came to the Zone in 2006

[livid badge]

Yeah so did Sid

[patent maple]

Him still being in the Zone in HoC is quite a feat

[livid badge]

15 years lol

Same with Sid

[winged lodge]

Has we some news about doc ?

In Cop or Hoc?

Cause he is badass 😎

[iron grail]

Well doc has appeared in HoC trailers. Anything more specific would require the S2 spoilers channel

[winged lodge]

Could u link me the chan...
Yes i'm that kind of idiot :')

[iron grail]

#s2-lore-discussions

[white osprey]

Is there anything explaining the health effects of the zone on stalkers after they leave? I can’t imagine being surrounded by anomalies and radiation is good for you

[fair gale]

Do we know if things like snorks were instantly mutated/zombified?

[hollow pecan]

frogski has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[brave lintel]

dammit now i have to rewrite the paragraph

i know its a game issue but the fact that mutants all have the same model kinda puts a damper on the whole renewing mutants thing, since technically the zone doesnt run out of humanoid mutants because stalkers succumb to emissions/psi influence/anomalies etc, but every snork has the same mask and outfit, every burer has the same coat and every controller has the same wife beater and jeans (although technically iirc the controllers were made in a lab but then how many controllers did they make, for them to still persist over a decade later. I may be wrong though)

at least the other mutants dont have clothes so it doesnt matter

[patent maple]

Burers are also made by the Secret Service, just like Burers

And, from what we've seen for the most part, all Snorks wear military clothing, so all remaining Snorks are mostly remnants of the old Army Raid of 2006 and any other personnel stationed in the Zone

[brave lintel]

I remember reading one of the Stalker books and some guy turning into a controller and forgetting himself, but theres so many books I cant find which one it was

Theyre non canon anyway so

[dim flicker]

is there a lore reason why all the places that were in cop cs and soc are different in stalker 2?

[brave lintel]

a 4th major emission that swapped some locations around

jk they had to make it work somehow so they rearranged it as needed

[dim flicker]

lol this game makes me feel like an old man with dementia

[brave lintel]

I was looking for the stash spot near yaniv station from CoP, but realised we're on the opposite side of the tracks this time

[livid badge]

They didn’t really treat source materials with respect and retconned where necessary, better to treat stalker 2 as a soft reboot or separate canon/universe

Some things do not make sense completely like with Barrier being gone (because now Scorcher is not on top of army warehouses) but still being mentioned in AR416 description

[regal onyx]

Maybe fix this with futur extension explain why or something like that

[livid badge]

It’s one of hundreds of issues of s2 I doubt they’ll fix them all lol, core plot already contradicts the previous games a lot, just treat it as reboot

[regal onyx]

I play the game im in the mission old good days and for me that look like the movie with guys want the return of the Zone like before and love the Zone like a person

[iron grail]

Not a lot to fix exactly. They decided on their own direction and it was not entirely compatible with the old games. Some stuff is retconned, others just changed. Personally I feel it's better to just do it and rip the bandage off rather than come up with elaborate and contrived retcons for every single difference.

[dim flicker]

but when you name a game stalker 2 you would expect the map to resemble the old games. i personally would prefer that they would address why the map is so different in a lore point of view

[brave lintel]

Well, the map does resemble the old games, with locations that are just straight from them, with a facelift. Its just in different places and with extras

[iron grail]

A few things you can rationalize with the disconnected maps from prior entries, there are some that make no sense still, but that is how it will be I guess

[regal onyx]

Its like that in the first trilogy ?

[livid badge]

Not really

[fair gale]

It has been over a decade since the last game tbh. Kinda expected things to have changed.

[livid badge]

I would expect even more careful writing given how much time has gone by and how everyone and their mother knows existing lore and canon by heart.

Everyone but new GSC narrative designers and writers apparently.

[fair gale]

Idk man I guess don't play it. I'm personally just happy the series still exists

[fair gale]

What other types of mutants do yall think could fit in the zone? I'm still hoping for a flying mutant or like an insect mutant

[still kestrel]

Insect mutant sounds nice

[livid badge]

It might be a good title gameplay wise but it has forever tainted the lore of the franchise, and it does not matter whether I play it or not, that bunch of retcons and contradictions is still there.

[fair gale]

I'd be up for a centipede .mutant

[still kestrel]

Sounds good ngl

Flying mutants would be a pain in the ass

[fair gale]

Would be neat if they took some inspiration from like darkwood but those things are much more. Eldritch abomination rather than man made abomination

[still kestrel]

True, talk about darkwood I just bought it like 5 days ago haha

[fair gale]

It's so good. If the dev team didn't completely fall apart I'd love a game like stalker set in it

[still kestrel]

That sounds so good

[fair gale]

Cuz it's technically it's own zone.

[normal lynx]

The Pripyat technician Bolero says he was with Deggy when they found "you know what" in the Garbage, and he is envious bc we can study it as we did not make any promises to Deggy like he did. Can anyone tell me wtf he's talking about? Please reply or @ me in your answer so I get pinged in the sea of messages. Thanks guys.

[patent maple]

This channel is for the Trilogy, try #s2-lore-discussions

[winged lodge]

Ur happy to pay a non finished game :)

With features that has been promised, and still not here. You'r like a Pokemon fan happy to get Arceus. But the saga is called stalker.
Great, you can enjoy the game 👍

[brave lintel]

thats quite an assumption lol

you overestimate how much the average person cares about lore in a game in general, not just when it comes to stalker

[winged lodge]

Lol players cares about gameplay ?

[hollow pecan]

frogski has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[winged lodge]

With the shytts that the industry give us lol

Average players care about a name

[brave lintel]

a flying mutant would mess up the "climb the nearest structure" meta, which im all for tbh

[brave lintel]

im enjoying stalker 2, you may not, thats fine

[winged lodge]

Playing a game using glitch :)

Yeah enjoy 😭

[brave lintel]

Yeah, i guess i am, wild

[fair gale]

Damn dude you just seem kinda miserable.

[desert briar]

Ok and?
What does that have to do in a discussion about lore quality and cohesion?

you're literally in the lore channel, saying ppl generally don't care about lore

[restive steeple]

lore is unimportant until you're in a 2 hour argument with someone about how psy-emissions are an actual thing

[dim flicker]

they are tho

[restive steeple]

exactly

[raw swan]

Do you think anomalies are the products of human thoughts?

Considering they came from a breach of the noosphere

[regal onyx]

For me I think yes I see that like the warp in warhammer 40k all the hungers, sadness from human

[fair gale]

Isn't the zone just conscious thought made manifest?

[hazy horizon]

no. C-Con scientists were experimenting on the Noosphere, and made a f*ck up which caused the Zone to appear

[fair gale]

But isn't the zone itself like somewhat aware?

[hazy horizon]

yeah tbh. a lot of evidence of the Zone being alive in the trilogy. even Duty leader Krylov thinks that the Zone is actually alive

Krylov: "That's the real brain twister. But if we quit our struggle, the Zone will swallow up everything. It is our duty to keep fighting! The way I see it, this war is for our very right to live on this Earth. We've been studying the Zone for months, and I can tell you one thing for sure - the Zone is alive. It's alive, and that is why it must have a weakness. All we have to do is find it."

"The Zone is a test. The way you feel about the Zone determines what tests you'll be given. If you think it's evil, or a symbol of total freedom, or a stern "wet nurse" - it'll give you exactly what you expect from it. Personally, I see several of the Zone's guises, but for me, above all else it is a place of Power. But I haven't yet fully understood the essence of the Zone and of the Power that's in it." - Hermit

dialogues of NPCs in Clear Sky also noted that the Zone became even angrier towards humans

"It's no good. Every day it gets worse and worse. Especially after the Big Emission. The Zone has stirred up, it became more ruthless to people. You can see it especially in the monsters: there are more of them now, and they're all angrier or something..." - Dialogue of Clear Sky member

"Nothing good. It gets worse every day, especially after the large emission. The Zone got stirred up and became even harsher to humans. The monsters are faster, angrier and even more merciless. Add to that the fact that the clans began warring with one another, and it don't look too good. A few of our groups have made a move into the Zone...they say paths to new territories have opened up there." - Agroprom Duty NPC in Clear Sky

[patent maple]

I'd personally say an area given consciousness and a couple of shenanigans that break the laws of physics

[iron grail]

More subconscious than conscious thought I would think

[true oak]

In Stalker 2, there’s a moment past the point of no return when you make a certain choice that lends credence to that idea, but I haven’t made the opposite choice to see if the same thing happens.

[raw swan]

Thanks for the spoilers dumbass

[brave lintel]

they said "everyone and their mother knows existing lore and canon by heart"

We in the lore channel are a minority of a minority who cared enough about a game to join its discord AND talk lore about it, most gamers just play the game and move on

https://xkcd.com/2501/

its like this xkcd lol

[brave lintel]

The zone is Silent Hill

[patent maple]

At least we know it better than GSC

[brave lintel]

Where is my sexy nurse mutants (bloodsuckers dont count)

[patent maple]

And that's excluding the retcons of their OWN lore

[raw swan]

what did they retconed ?

[dim flicker]

werent they human experiments in the lore?

[restive steeple]

no

[fair gale]

The zone was a result of experiments but It wasn't the experiment.

[nimble kestrel]

Who's down to jump on voice chat and break this whole game down to me?

[raw swan]

https://youtu.be/coIFssPeJpA?si=Vgo7ZrKXKPc0Wnfm

It's a good start

[grizzled lichen]

Anywhere to read stalker fiction (not roadside picnic) , wondering if there is stories of stalkers from other authors

[raw swan]

Do you mean like a book?

[dim flicker]

whatever you do don't see the movie

[raw swan]

why it's good

[grizzled lichen]

Yeh books or other online fiction

[hot glade]

Try a series from Viktor Noczkin

[grizzled lichen]

This guy?
https://stalker.fandom.com/pl/wiki/Wiktor_Noczkin

[hot glade]

Yes, I read the first three volumes and I must admit that it was very enjoyable to read. The main character is likeable and the writing style is very light.

[grizzled lichen]

Nice you found them in English? Kindle ?

[hot glade]

No, his books are published in my country

[dim flicker]

it takes away all of the interesting stuff from roadside picnic. takes 3 hours to tell a 1 hour story

most of the movie is just long shots

[iron grail]

Yeah it rules

(The screenplay was written by the authors of the book too)

It definitely falls into the art film category though

[raw swan]

I really liked the movie, but I can understand that it can be a bit long

[iron grail]

Yeah I would not fault someone for saying it is long and boring, but I come down in the camp of feeling like all the choices are purposeful to good effect. I found the film quite moving and have taken something new away from it each time I've watched it

[dim flicker]

its not that its long or boring, for me the movie seemed like its just throwing random stuff into the plot

like the dog

[iron grail]

Hmm, there are about as many interpretations of the dog (and many other things in the film) as there are people who have seen it, so I guess I wouldn't say that is a wrong way to view it. I think that everything in it is pretty intentional though

[dim flicker]

yeah it most likely is intentional, but the movie's insistence on not explaining it or any of the other stuff is really frustrating. it feels like the movie wants me to write half of the movie while watching it

at the end i guess it comes down to personal preference tho

[iron grail]

I think in a way that is correct. Tarkovsky as an artist was against dictating the meanings of his work, so it is up to the viewer to determine what the meanings of many things are

[restive steeple]

lazy design or brilliant design, call it

[grizzled lichen]

My copy of roadside picnic just arrived woo

[hot glade]

I have a little dissonance.||In the basement of Agroprom, we learn from the documents found and later in the conversation with the professor that Faust was one of the objects of the controller's programs. Moments later, after the fight with Faust, he tells us that he was once a stalker himself. ||Plot hole or something I don't know

[livid badge]

this is channel for trilogy lore, #s2-lore-discussions is for s2

[hot glade]

My bad

[brave lintel]

there are SO many stalker books, most though are in russian and also, theyre non canon. Still good reads though

There are online versions you could MTL maybe, translation software got pretty good

[grizzled lichen]

What's non canon mean

[brave lintel]

doesnt actually happen in the games universe at least

[grizzled lichen]

Oh that's sweet as!

[fair gale]

So in lab x16 there's like a pen section where you find ghost and a controller. Do yall think it only held controllers or other mutants too?

[iron grail]

Hmm, given the lab itself I would guess it's possible they had other humanoid mutants with psi powers. So perhaps burers too. I think you only see human-derived mutants in the lab if memory serves right

[brave lintel]

can they even control what comes out when they pump someone full of psi

[iron grail]

I would guess the type/amount/length of exposure would affect the outcome, but I am not that much of a lore knower to say

[fair gale]

Do yall think alot of the monolith we fight In soc are made up of former clear sky members?

[brave lintel]

most likely

[iron grail]

I imagine some are

[bitter stratus]

i dont want to beleive it but prolly 😦

[normal lynx]

Interesting thought!

[tidal perch]

Judging by large quantity of monolith armies guarding Brain Scorcher,Prypiat,and CNPP. Its safe to say,yeah.. Could be

[random plover]

Why is that a plot hole? Both can be true
Actually, when we meet him he is a stalker
But he might have meant before || he was captured and experimented on||

[random plover]

Almost certainly, but I imagine "a lot" is a bit much, I imagine like 10-20% of them at most but that's just my guess from their numbers... I imagine the majority are various loners, mercs, military, anyone basically that got caught in psi emissions trying to reach the middle. Also while it's not seen I'm games, I wonder if monolith forces sometimes take prisoners? I think it would be sensible if someone surrenders to them or they find someone wounded they would take them, brainwash them and if they survive they use the healer

Actually, before stalker 2 many many people thought the highest rank monolith Charon was actually Scar, brainwashed after CS.

[fair gale]

That would make sense

[coarse briar]

Best lore channel for stalker

Anomalous dugout

[hazy horizon]

why would they take prisoners when they literally shoot everyone except other monolithians and zombies on sight? I'd imagine they just finish off their wounded enemies

talking about trilogy Monolith here, 1 instance of them not killing their enemy is when enemy was on his way to conversion (A convert in the Black Forest PDA entry in SoC)

[spring grail]

Fax

[random plover]

Because a dead body isn't useful but another monolith soldier is. It's true it's not really seen in the game. But it would make sense

[random plover]

Im just speculating because AFAIK we don't know a lot about how monolith recruitment happens. But people will mostly only be converted to monolith in monolith controlled PSI-areas, where they have armed patrols, if they executed everyone on sight, its hard to see how there could be so many of them

In game, they shoot on sight in every situation, but so does everyone(Outside scripted missions/events), I think this is more of a gameplay thing and in-story there is some more neuance, perhaps

[brave lintel]

we do know anyone who gets fried in the zone center gets converted, hell anyone unlucky enough to get fried near a monolith "tower" will probably start hearing the monolith

the monolith also dont need as many soldiers as a typical faction would, each soldier is worth many stalkers

[patent maple]

Anyone except Mikluha and his entire squad

[livid badge]

and Strelok's group apparently

with their Pripyat stash

[restive steeple]

psy-fields occasionally produce usable stalkers

or just psy-radiation in general, not sure why people think emissions could do the same when they're so much more intense

[brave lintel]

Ik its not the Trilogy lore, but in stalker 2 we see a stalker broken by the monolith attack desperately pray to the monolith and seemingly actually "connecting"

So it seems like unstable/traumatised/weak willed stalkers are also susceptible

[restive steeple]

I think that's more mental break than anything

[brave lintel]

Probably, but psi influence is mental as well, its probably easier to push a broken person over the edge and lower their psi resistance enough to convert

[raw swan]

Anomalous dugout, MarkedMatt and Reggash on reddit are the holy lore trinity for me. The elder PDAs masters

So the other day I was asking myself this : "why would the group needed to make a cult around the monolith if they already use psi-emissions to control the monolithians ?". And I came to the conclusion that, at the opposite of zombies whose mind are behind reparation, the monolithians have a bit of humanity left. Therefore, the group needed something to prevent this human side to interfere with their directives. They couldn't rise up the psi emissions, because that could've just turned them into zombies (who are not as efficient as monolithians). So they decided to make a cult to appease their human side by giving them a "reason" to act.
What do you guys think ? Is it plausible ?

[random plover]

I thank that makes total sense

[brave lintel]

Not quite sure what you mean by controlling the monolithians througu psi emissions

but yes brainwashing them using a cult is very effective, theyd still probably be just as obedient if they were simply brainwashed to just obey, but with something to believe in, especially something that physically removes pain, anxiety, fear from you is much more effective

[raw swan]

psi emissions can be used to control people if I recall correctly (a controller for instance, with his psi-abilities can force stalkers to kill each other )

[brave lintel]

i thought you meant like, zone wide emissions

yeah they can definitely control through psi influence and they do that as well i believe, in addition to brainwashing, as long as the monolith is active theyre linked

[raw swan]

I think emissions (big red sky) are psi emissions but with testosterone

It's like the radiations, you can either gain a cancer or dying in a few days depending on the level o f radiation

[brave lintel]

They are a massive release of psi energy from the noosphere indeed

Thats why the monolith are immune to them (since theyre basically already blanks in terms of psi influence in their brain) and its why the emissions can zombify stalkers (or if youre close enough to the monolith, could get reprogrammed to be a monolithian instead)

[raw swan]

hmmm this last part make less sense for me somehow

because there are different levels of zombificiation. But maybe the psi emitters can work like 5G antennas. Maybe they can focus on certain people

[brave lintel]

different levels of zombification? what do you mean

People also have different natural resistance to psi influence

Scar for example is incredibly resistant having survived multiple emissions

[raw swan]

normal --> light (hallucinations) --> moderate (like the monolithians) --> severe (zombified) --> extreme (death). Something like that

[brave lintel]

Ok you mean stages of psi influence gotcha

[raw swan]

yeah sorry not my first language

[brave lintel]

Yeah, as i said people have varying resistances, people also wear psi protection which may protect your brain long enough to not fry completely but just zombify, hell the area you stood in might just recieve less psi radiation cause of an obstacle or something

[random plover]

Imo the "real zombies" from stalker 1 prerelease are Canon

[restive steeple]

I mean they're just normal zombies but physically degraded

not that wild

[raw swan]

For me they are just zombies but without firearms

[random plover]

It just makes sense that they would degrade in every way, run out of ammo, lose their guns and stuff, etc

[urban veldt]

they are zombified civilians
not stalkers
thats why you would find them in places like Dead City rather than near psy installations

[raw swan]

do you guys know if there was supposed to be a zombie virus like in VoA ? Or it just mod-based lore ?

[restive steeple]

mod based lore

[young bough]

Guys can u talk about the stalker 2 endings in here?

[queen lava]

This is for the trilogy lore, try #s2-lore-discussions for S2

[midnight juniper]

fancy seeing you here

[restive steeple]

I can have series I like outside of fallout

[fair gale]

Do yall think the fracture will be added in 1 of the expansions? The weird mutated farmer? I'd also be up to see a bigger snork variant tbh

[iron grail]

IDK. I guess it's always possible for it to finally make an official appearance

[midnight juniper]

[urban veldt]

Omg
Cat

[rancid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-floppa-big-floppa-bingus-attack-gif-25866718

[raw swan]

Renegades are a real faction and not only made for you to be able to join bandits while still having to fight low tier enemies in clear sky

Renegades lore is deep and complex and NOT a tutorial faction

[dim flicker]

nah ah

[tidal perch]

Total Renegade Death!

[brave lintel]

more like mod cringe lore

[tidal perch]

ngl olr zombies dosent fit well in stalker to me. i prefer the one we had now

mindless stalker that only follow their instinct or psi-emission by Controller

[tidal perch]

wrong channel my guy

[desert briar]

!warn @short gale self ad

[hollow pecan]

cj_stallion has been warned

Reason: self ad

[fair gale]

Ok so looking at shoc ending. It didn't seem to me atleast that things were real? Like yea strelok probably did kill the c con but I think it did big damage to his brain or something? I don't know but definitely seemed suspicious

[patent maple]

I personally don't see it. We see him in CoP and he acts fairly rational

[fair gale]

That's like a few months after shadow yea? Idk I just know dude probably imagined the bit after he blows up the c con

[raw swan]

yeah the ending is a bit weird. I think they made it before planning to to other games, so it looks like the zone has vanished or smth like that. But I think that in reality strelok was just teleported a little bit further from the c-con and thats all

[livid badge]

100% sure it won’t, I don’t think any work on it has ever been done even in terms of cut content

[restive steeple]

mods

[desert briar]

!warn 850471662029504542 spamming lore channel with self insert fan fiction

[hollow pecan]

armoredcoreenjoyer has been warned

Reason: spamming lore channel with self insert fan fiction

[glossy ruin]

Mods ban him ban him

[restive steeple]

skull has been crushed

[tidal perch]

Thank you,Wolf

[fair gale]

So what are the points for the death trucks other than bringing marked stalkers in. But also like does the ccon own them? Do monolithians drive them?

[deep anchor]

Death trucks contain sleeper agents (C-con agents) designed to drop them into the zone so as to not be suspicious, possibly driven by other sleeper agents who don’t know it

They are built in C-Con territory and are dispatched from the lab along with bodies probably from the screens room

At least one live C-Con agent is in the trucks, disguised by their Stalker tattoo

Called the Stalker program tasked with and hunting down C-Con enemys, like strelok

I won’t say anything specific but you’ll possibly learn more about them in Hoc

(This is my idea of it, not 100% sure)

[livid badge]

Hoc is full of retcons so better not confuse its lore with the trilogy anyway

It’s closer to a soft reboot than a continuation lore wise

But yeah your interpretation is correct, we don’t know much about death trucks as they are only mentioned twice in the first game and never in CS or CoP.

Except C-Con is not sending dead bodies, they just say most people die during transportation, thus “death trucks” nickname. It can be assumed that at the start of the journey everyone there is alive

[fair gale]

Gotya. Wasn't sure like if they were coming from inside or outside the zone. So like I'm guessing they were using the cover of "we're getting bodies of stalkers out of the zone" as a way to get their sleeper agents into groups of stalkers

[deep anchor]

Inside the zone

[deep anchor]

Possibly?

Dno said some good stuff also

[livid badge]

they were not using any cover as they did not need any. it's just trucks find people full of dead bodies. C-Con does not owe people an explanation lol, what are they gonna do

[fair gale]

Anyone know about the books by Michal golkowski?

[livid badge]

books are not part of the lore

[fair gale]

Im just asking

Like are they any good?

[spiral pollen]

I have a lore question
How does Monolith get their equipment?

Mercs buy it, Loners smuggle it in, Military is supplied by the government and bandits steal it

But Monolith has no reason to be THIS well equipped while sitting on their asses all day protecting the rock

[mighty folio]

Such is the will of the monolith

[simple latch]

I would assume that the C-C had stockpiles in their plans. The C-C device alone must have been expensive, let alone the X-Labs and Brain Scorchers.
Money was clearly not a problem. And they were going to need people to police the zone once it was conquered

Remember that the first X-Lab has a Monolith uniform in the locker room. So some of their gear was present before the Stalkers came

[iron grail]

The group had facilities in the zone used to embezzle funds and funnel them to project x

That is what Ahroprom was about, for instance

[simple latch]

Bingo, I totally forgot about that.

[livid badge]

There is no lore description in the trilogy, any explanation you get will be fan headcanon

[livid badge]

That’s uhh clearly trying to put gameplay into lore lol

Neither stashes in there nor stalker bodies nor SSP suits on scientists nor monolith armor make sense lore-wise

[spiral pollen]

Interesting, C-Con could also shit them out?

[acoustic stone]

You know Monolith members are brainwashed people right? Brainwashed people who got to the center of the zone or at least gets close enough to the center. They're most likely well armed and armored. Hence why they're the strongest faction in the game.

If you wonder how or why they got their hands on Gauss rifle, its developed in the zone. C-Conciousness definitely know it's existence and where it can be obtained.

[spiral pollen]

I know, but how do they all have this white and black uniform? How can they have such a standardisation of equipment?

[acoustic stone]

Well I guess they just dye them.

It's just color

[spiral pollen]

You don't just go up and dye a uniform and change it's color and it's pattern, it's not a wall you paint

[acoustic stone]

You mean green and brown?

[spiral pollen]

White and black, the urban camouflage they have adopted

[acoustic stone]

Oh well...

Such is the will, of the Monolith...

Praise the Monolith.

I'm a Monolith member myself but I could care less on what I use. As long as I can serve the Monolith, I'm happy.

Vrag Monolita!

[round torrent]

Its unknown if i remember in cop the military engineer implied that it could be smuggling with corrupt millitary officials

[acoustic stone]

Corrupt military officials trades with pretty much anyone.

Even the Monolith for some reason.

[spiral pollen]

Would the Monolith endorse the usage of knockoff equipment?

Would it endorse fraud? Like having a scam center in the middle of the zone to steal the pensions from elderly people?

[acoustic stone]

Use whatever you got your hands on brother.

As long as the Monolith is safe, that's all that matters.

[spiral pollen]

What is the Monolith's opinion on the new irrigation platforms?

[raw swan]

What is the safest job a stalker can do? Digger?

[acoustic stone]

Idk, ask it yourself.

[acoustic stone]

I guess so since you only have to deal with radiation, chemical, and anomalies.

[raw swan]

and you may be enslaved by bandits 🤷

[tidal perch]

Why not choose as mutant hunter?

[livid badge]

rp in a lore discussion 💀

[acoustic stone]

Such is the will, of the Monolith.

[livid badge]

Where in the games would you get that info lol

[acoustic stone]

I forgot

[livid badge]

Digger in stalker trilogy may mean two completely different things — SoC diggers such as Mole group explore undergrounds, CS/HoC diggers go through the garbage to find stuff to sell.

The former is based on irl meaning of the word, the latter is literally digging through shit

[raw swan]

good to know

[simple latch]

This does not undo my observation. Environmental storytelling is a thing.
Stalker’s writing is regularly unfinished and contradictory anyways, so all we can do is theorize

[simple latch]

This ^ is an example of this.

[livid badge]

Yeah I prefer to clearly put those stuff in “you have to remember this is a game” pile, similarly to how several guys can have the same dialog.

Environmental storytelling is a thing but you have to think where exactly devs had something particular in mind and where a thing was just mindlessly put there

My favourite example of environmental storytelling in CS is a hidden bottle of vodka behind a mattress in Krylov’s room

[simple latch]

Is the jury out on whether or not Clear Sky’s Loner leader (I’m from the USA so I don’t
remember Slavic names well)
Actually died in the forest or not? His body is there, but his NPC remains at base.

[livid badge]

It’s an Easter egg

There’s no canon explanation for this, it’s just for shits and giggles and is not meant to be taken seriously

[restive steeple]

(it's a maybe)

[unborn marlin]

How do you bracket spoilers?

[fair gale]

|| like this ||

Put || these around the word

[unborn marlin]

Does this work? |testing|

[pallid zealot]

You need two of them on each side. ||Like this.||

[unborn marlin]

||like this?||

Apparently yes lol.

[livid badge]

Huh?

[unborn marlin]

It’s not a maybe. Because ||Fr.Valerian is in HoC.||

[livid badge]

ye but we're describing trilogy lore, hoc is a whole different story with its own retcons and everything

[clever frost]

i beat all 3 games finally

||so did scar kill fang or was it just random mercanaries||

you dont see him during CS or SoC, and all ||strelok ||mentions is he was killed by a sniper mercanary in CoP

[livid badge]

It’s a very complicated question

During development of soc the idea was that when you find a flash drive you think it’s you, Marked One, who killed fang, because you do have a scar on your face (on gameplay model, not on the one seen in movies).

CS started as an idea to show the game through the eyes of that mercenary, but killing Fang concept was very quickly dropped. By September 2007 there was already a different secondary character mentioned in desdocs who was supposed to kill Fang.

In release CS you are a merc with a scar, but obviously you don’t kill Fang. Lebedev mentions that “they are going to take care of Ghost and Fang” so it can be assumed he was killed either directly by clear sky or by someone hired by clear sky.

And HoC went the cheapest possible route and said that it was ||Nimble|| who killed Fang but I would not treat S2 as something canon to the trilogy if I were you, simply due to the fact that it is largely a lore reboot marketed as a continuation

[clever frost]

damn wtf he killed him?

is s2 a reboot?, a lot of the characters make a return and follow CoPs ending

dont spoil if it was explained in s2 but im wondering how ||scar ||survived the ending of clear sky, i get he's|| "special" and his nervous system if fried but if an emmision that powerful took out nearly everybody||

[iron grail]

It's not a reboot but there's a number of retcons

[livid badge]

It is not a reboot per se but it contradicts the OG games on a lot of levels

To the point where trying to put them all in a single universe is impossible as events of originals could not have happened with new geography for example

[clever frost]

farthest i made it was the group ||strider ||established at the end of CoP in s2

[livid badge]

Yeah it had many surface level references to the old games but if you dig a tiny bit deeper than an old character making a return it just does not work out, S2 did not really try to be coherent with old games and it shows

So trilogy wise no, we don’t know who killed Fang, but S2 canonised even weirder ideas lol

[clever frost]

gotcha, i need to restart to understand more stuff

i did notice how ||hermann ||making a return contradicted his good ending in CoP

[iron grail]

Well the canon endings are not only the good ones, though it seems like many are

[livid badge]

Where’s my cardan-nitro car project

[iron grail]

If only 😔

[tidal perch]

wait gsc to release the dlc

[keen frost]

the dlc is a-life

[rancid elk]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sOhMZ4hFxeE

[gaunt arch]

I know it's probably just me looking too hard into a christmas post, but I feel like something's wrong

"The night started slowly covering the Zone. The Zone that this year changed forever. Has She become different? Perhaps. More dangerous? Of course, She has. Has She become a refuge for hundreds of thousands of new stalkers searching for something of their own? Absolutely. And that was something that pleased his soul the most."

There's probably at most a thousand people in the zone at all times, maybe two or three, but "hundreds of thousands" feels vastly overblown...

Was there ever a confirmed number of inhabitants of the zone?

ok maybe just a thousand feels low considering you already have the SIRCAA with its whole supporting infrastructure, which is probably like a few hundred people. Add to that the ward and the monolith which must be in pretty substantial numbers, but all the other factions have pretty low numbers, and I don't see that much new stalkers entering the zone (considering how dangerous it is, not even counting all the deaths inside caused by mutants and infighting)

[restive steeple]

I assume it means overtime

or that the hundreds of thousands of people are just the players

[spark pollen]

Who is the Journalist in Stalker 2 ? Is he a new Character or was he mentioned the old trilogy .

[raw swan]

I think he is from the arg

[livid badge]

It’s ARG character, though this channel is for trilogy lore, S2 is a whole new thing that should be discussed in #s2-lore-discussions

[turbid wren]

What are the monolithians?

[raw swan]

I assume you are new to the franchise?

[turbid wren]

nah i'm rather experienced, but I've never dug in deep into the lore

played shadow of chernobyl and clear sky, but that was ages ago and id like to catch up to the lore

[iron grail]

They are brainwashed individuals who worship the wish granter and defend the center of the zone from others. After SoC, the field that controlled them was disabled and they became free of the mind control, but without any memory of who they were before

[livid badge]

not "without any" as Strider remembers his road to CNPP prior to being brainwashed

[raw swan]

Weren't they neutral before crossing the barrier?

Before clear sky

[livid badge]

Yes

[split shard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtcR5TRUDA i think i made a wrong choice being apart of duty. i will side with these guys in one day

lore dump on freedom stalkers

[raw swan]

Helping freedomv in SoC is funnier than helping duty imo

[dim flicker]

duty got more phonk edits tho

[raw swan]

Don't fall for propaganda

Neutral is the only way

[fair gale]

Given how monolith in shadow of chernobyl were practically a full pmc group and how many we kill in Shadow. I don't doubt there being more than 1k people in the zone. Dudes were giving the military a run for their money

[fair gale]

Neutral so I don't have to fight anyone on my way to the npp

[raw swan]

I love watching people fight before looting their bodies

[dim flicker]

Deadly anomalies, dangerous mutants, anarchists and bandits... None will stop Duty on its triumphant march towards saving the planet!

The World fears The Zones expansion. Join Duty and save the innocent.

Stalker, protect the world from The Zone. Join Duty!

[raw swan]

Yapping. Duty has absolutely done nothing to save the world except maybe kill 2 or 3 snorks

[tidal perch]

total Duty annihilation

[raw swan]

Oh yeah they also killed a group of blind cancerous dogs at some point. Congratulations Duty!

[buoyant condor]

*stands at attention and salutes

[dim flicker]

what the WOKE freedom has done for you other then smoke CRACK and WEED while listening to LIBERAL radio?

[iron grail]

Defend the barrier

[fair gale]

Legit tho

[hollow pecan]

maloy8889 has been warned

Reason: Posted an invite

[swift sail]

I'm thinking about buying the trilogy on steam since it's so cheap. What order should I play in? Clear sky, shadow, and then pripyat?

[livid badge]

SoC -> CS - CoP

-> HoC (optional)

[raw swan]

Do you think strelok killing hundreds of moniltihians in SoC is canon?

[barren forge]

SoC, Shadow, Call

[barren forge]

Whats HoC? The new Stalker?

[unborn marlin]

Heart of Chornobyl, so yes, STALKER 2

[restive steeple]

100%

why do you think there's only like 30 of them left in CoP

[junior hull]

Is it worth playing the other stalker games? I just got the new one that came out never played the other ones

[swift sail]

So shadow twice lol? Or did you mean cs in your soc spot lol

I bought the other three to play. Still very high ratings on steam and super cheap. Figured they're worth a try

[raw swan]

if you don't mind the old graphics yeah totally. The gameplay from clear sky and call of is very similar to Stalker 2.

[dim flicker]

yes, (try soc and cop before clear sky tho)

[tidal perch]

Well no, SoC->CS->CoP

SoC for introduction for the series.
CS for introduce new mechanics for the series.
CoP both.

No reason to skip all of this and its important to follow release order.

[unborn marlin]

That’s what I did and it was worth it.

[vocal grotto]

I haven't yet played stalker 2 cuz well one word: parents. But I have played the previous 3 parts and what i especially loved was discovering the zone. I was like a collector of sorts— anyways are the artifacts prominent in HoC? Like i think it wasn't much fun being an artifact collector in Clear Sky

[karmic oyster]

Ya there more better now abit hard to find depending on your detector plus they move around in anomalies

[vocal grotto]

That's great!!

[timber crow]

100%

plus then after you do that you should try anomaly, modded anomaly and/or gamma

hell anomaly with the right mods often looks about as good as stalker 2 does and runs better

[livid badge]

or not lol

[timber crow]

why cause it'll ruin stalker 2 for ya haha

[livid badge]

Dozens of better mods out there and you suggest Anomaly xD

[timber crow]

yeah thats cause its popular

[livid badge]

At least play story mods which are proper stalker experience

[timber crow]

its worth trying

[livid badge]

Making a sandbox out of stalker is most dumbass thing you can do tbh

[timber crow]

meh

stalker 2 would be a lot better if they took more inspiration from anomaly

instead after the story its a dead game

[livid badge]

Stalker 2 took too much inspiration from modding scene in general I think

And it shows

[timber crow]

yeah right lol. there's no replayability

[livid badge]

OG games are very repayable, I have like >1000 hours in vanilla cs

[timber crow]

stalker 2 is basically SoC 2.0

[livid badge]

Lots of stuff to do, lots of stuff to find

[timber crow]

with a big empty map

[livid badge]

I’d say it does not live up to soc levels, it’s quite a big downgrade

[timber crow]

vast majority of people won't get anywhere near that many hours out of vanilla cs without getting bored

im talking like 30 hours at most

[timber crow]

i agree but it'd still be kind of dissapointing even if it wasn't the case

[livid badge]

And even while being a downgrade s2 is still infinitely better than any sandbox mod out there xD

[timber crow]

its really not lmao

[livid badge]

Either way this channel is for vanilla games, go to #🔩┃trilogy_modifications with your mediocre standalone mods lol

[timber crow]

mediocre yet more popular than anything else by a mile hmm

[livid badge]

That’s what happens when you pirate assets and engine and sell it as “free standalone experience”

[timber crow]

1000 hours in cs is like...mental illness

[livid badge]

It’s a good game, an actual game lol

[timber crow]

the faction wars are buggy and kind of lame imo

[timber crow]

yeah bro people play anomaly because they can't afford 10 dollars for the trilogy. yeah right.

[livid badge]

Pretty sure that is the case yeah, it has been advertised on YouTube as “THIS GAME IS FREE???” dozens of times with vids getting hundreds of thousands of views

[timber crow]

weird most people I know that play anomaly have played all three og games

[livid badge]

Of course it’s free when you redistribute other people’s work without permission lol

[timber crow]

sounds like you're stereotyping

[livid badge]

OG games are worth playing, they are actually stalker, as in a fun story-focused arcade game

[timber crow]

lol

[livid badge]

Not a sandbox ultrarealistic milsim set in stalker universe

If you are looking for actually good mods, look into story mods not gamma lmfao

[timber crow]

look if you can get 1000 hours out of cs. good for you, but for the vast majority of people, the ogs have no where near that much replayability.

nor do any of the mods including true stalker etc

[livid badge]

I see no reason to argue about stalker games being good with someone who, instead of playing actual stalker games, spends most of their time in a fan mod tbh

[timber crow]

most people will play them once and be like, ok, that was fun, but im done

[timber crow]

not everyone spent 1000 hours when they were 13 on the og games tho

and its absurd to hold that to the 'real' standard on what a 'true' fan is

[timber crow]

all anomaly does is take what the og games were good at, a life, universe, gunplay, and make that x10. I love the story for the og games, but most people will not find great replayability there

[livid badge]

Not saying you have to spend thousands of hours, but you should hold any official experience over a fan work. Classic literature appreciators do not read cheap fanfiction.

[timber crow]

again I don't play anomaly for the story

i play it for interesting gameplay. which stalker 2 does not have. I enjoyed the stalker 2 story, but I am not interested in replaying storys

the real chad thing will be the SDK. So modders can make their own storys or sandboxes, whatever they prefer so we all have more stalker to play.

this purity testing crap where only a very narrow definiton counts as legit is just silly and childish

the sdk is extremely exciting as finally there will be potential for story focused mods

which were a pain to make for older games compared to proper modern dev tools.

hell we could see people remake something like SoC in this engine. just require to own the games on steam to download or something like that and maybe GSC will allow it?

[tidal perch]

Just play story mod like Spatial Anomaly

Or any CoC based mod like IWP or CoTZ or Both.

(CoC Team Lite too)

And of course this is not discussion for modding

And if you dont want to get bored in soc, i recommend exploring area around the zone because if you just focusing main quest the game would be so dull in your mind.

[wild imp]

is there an estimated year as to when freedom was formed?

[urban veldt]

Please never talk again
Thank you

[urban veldt]

Dont think so
But they were already a major faction in 2011 if thats anything to go by

[wild imp]

Ok. Figured it’s ambiguous since I couldn’t even find an estimate.

[urban veldt]

Yeah
We know Duty already had skirmishes with them soon after its founding
So you could probably get a closer estimate if you managed to find out when Duty was founded

[restive steeple]

true stalker is kinda ass.

the devs are also shitters

pretty bad example honestly, could've picked goldsphere and gotten a more accurate read

[patent maple]

Afraid not, but we do know when Duty was created

[buoyant condor]

I just learned what happened to their leadership in the beginning

[hollow pecan]

sqepticism has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mental fractal]

A nice little short from youtube

https://youtube.com/shorts/c81hBK4XJAc?si=RYOEAYEEKQKMI1U1

Sei is the embodiment of Scar it seems. 😆

[urban veldt]

OP2.2 definitely has 1000 hours of replayability

[restive steeple]

ip grabber

[urban veldt]

[restive steeple]

OP2.2 has 1000 hours of gameplay for a single playthrough

[urban veldt]

yes

[restive steeple]

a 100% run would take YEARS

[urban veldt]

yes

[amber widget]

What is op 2.2 ?

[iron grail]

The soupiest of soup mods. Insane amount of content

[amber widget]

What are the initials standing for ?

[iron grail]

The original name is in Russian but the translation would be something like Cumulative Pack 2.2

[amber widget]

Ok nice that goes ok the list

I want stalker content for at least 1-2 month because then I suspect they made major advancements foe the game

[iron grail]

It's not for the faint of heart

[amber widget]

Why ?

[iron grail]

Very difficult, very long, lots of mechanics, ways to soft lock yourself and not know for many hours

[restive steeple]

extremely obtuse, long, basically requires a guide, very hard, and very, VERY buggy

[iron grail]

That all said it can be rewarding for the right player

[amber widget]

Oh damn thats rough. I will at least try it but thanks for the headsup

[iron grail]

There's an English wiki out there that is well maintained and has some tips for getting started

[tall elm]

mental

[patent maple]

Sanest thing a Stalker can do, really

[whole bear]

without spoiling too much is it better to side with strelok or spark if I want richter to keep being my homie

[peak moth]

Strelok

[snow escarp]

i cant send images?

damn. Anyway i watched a yt vid about stalker and it showed the death truck cutscene again, then i spotted the driver wearing the fictional duty uniform with the red chest plates. Any lore on that?

[livid badge]

Not really no, don’t think this particular detail was even described in the design documents so it is assumed it is creative liberty of Plastic Wax with no real reason behind it. Can assume it’s a former dutier being subjected to a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. program but that’s just headcanon obviously

[snow escarp]

nonetheless i will forever believe that Duty is a detached portion of the Military and that when the Military left them behind, they got brainwashed by Monolith, now trying to get more stalkers to join them without brainwashing so they can look good

[iron grail]

Well the canon as I recall is that they were originally military who were abandoned in the Zone and decided to stay and fight against it (more or less, the details might be off)

[hoary totem]

They weren't abandoned, General Tachenko's PDA confirmed he knowingly sabotaged military comms which made extraction impossible.

[iron grail]

Ah yeah... The PDA from CoP

[hoary totem]

Which is why I'm a TRUE Freedom patriot

[hoary totem]

Some parts could be possible, considering Granite Squad are former Project X guards brainwashed to become Monolithians

[whole spoke]

Man freedom is so chill in CS

Ashot and Yar are my favorite duo now

[buoyant condor]

They're like hippies with a thing for shooting sh!t

I couldn't take them seriously so I sided against them. Plus their propaganda is more annoying than Duty's

[snow escarp]

Wait freedom plays propaganda in CS?

[buoyant condor]

Its just crap over their PA system, but I call it propaganda because I don't like the anarchists or their tone. Too chill

[snow escarp]

Also there's the variety within factions, for example I may be a freedomer but i dont need to fight duty or propagate our culture on others, it was just a litte better than being a loner

[buoyant condor]

I felt like an organised group of trained and discipled people would be more effective at keeping me safe, than gun loving, mutantbcheek clapping, pot smoking redneck russians lol

[snow escarp]

Yeaahh thats the guys who never leave the base unless they need to bargain for another pack of low quality ciggies. I prefer to wander the Red Forest alone (i like doing that IRL)

[weary orbit]

freedom is the only faction that held the monolith back at the barrier while duty was busy shooting dogs

also freedom doesnt like mutants thats bandits

the real and canon faction that would fuck or find mutants hot are bandits and not freedom

anomaly and stupid mod slop has tricked more casual fans of the series

[patent maple]

Except they didn't even shoot dogs lmao

In fact, everyone complains about Duty being lazy and not doing anything whatsoever

[weary orbit]

Remember that one time we go to rostok and there is that pack of dogs that spawn?

[patent maple]

Remember all the dead Stalkers just outside Rostok?

[patent maple]

If Duty did their job, they wouldn't be dead

[weary orbit]

Fr lol

[patent maple]

[snow escarp]

Normalnõi

[fair gale]

Do we know any other characters with the s t.a.l.k.e.r tattoo?

[peak moth]

Not in the trilogy

[hoary totem]

Scar was theorized to but thats about it for the original trilogy

[iron grail]

It feels like it would reduce the effectiveness of your programmed agents if you gave them all the same really distinctive tattoo

[tall elm]

why would they give it only to Strelok then?

[iron grail]

IDK. It was always a weird thing to me.

[spiral agate]

Does a monolith still do what a human needs,
Eat,sleep,drink, rest,etc

[raw swan]

I wonder how ccon find electricity in the zone

Merging multiple consciousness must drain a lot of energy

[buoyant condor]

The generators?

[raw swan]

I always assumed the generators were a bridge between the physical world and noosphere

[buoyant condor]

I always thought they were either what powered emissions (creating them), or powering something else and emissions were a by-product of what they were doing. Like a rocket taking off, releasing huge clouds of smoke, the emission is the smoke cloud from whatever theyre activating or using

[tall elm]

in SoC intro the guy who brings in Strelok when Sid asks him what did he bring: "a body, it came from the deathtruck, it's got the mark", to which Sidorovich says "well, you know the drill...". Which implies bodies with marks were an everyday occurence but Strelok was the first known live one.

[restive steeple]

presumably they have some form of backup generators considering they have lighting

[hoary totem]

Anomalous/Noosphere energy powers the C-Con, and presumably SIRCAA.

[coarse briar]

Yes.

[raw swan]

strider is a princess and he doesn't need toilets

[full leaf]

Lore summary: Sigma Spark vs beta Ward

[livid badge]

Sir that’s a channel for trilogy lore, cheap fanfiction is one category above

[raw swan]

He's right tho

[fair gale]

Do we have patches for the new factions yet?

[sharp token]

[raw swan]

duty try not to be incompetent boomers challenge

[patent maple]

https://tenor.com/view/conker-the-squirrel-course-i'm-sure-see-ya-conker-64-conker's-bad-fur-day-gif-1199308358753383892

[sharp token]

Morning Kotson

[patent maple]

[urban veldt]

Well we know they all "got the mark" as stated by Savior

[iron grail]

Yeah it's just one of those things that is a little strange when you think about it

[grave forum]

Well, if you think about it how often does a stalker look really closely at other's forearm and if they happen to see a tattoo they aren't so common that he would start to think about why they have it.

Also having a stalker tattoo seems logical as aren't they already called stalker's by everyone?

Maybe only few like Sid and Savior know what it truly means 🤷‍♂️

[tall elm]

||when is it revealed in SoC that Strelok = Marked One? I'm replaying SoC, I found Strelok's stash but I didn't notice anything saying that||

[raw swan]

You have to do the true ending way. When you disable the brain scorcher don't head directly to Pripyat. you have another main quest objective where you havr to talk to a certain stalker in cordon that leads to that reveal

[unborn marlin]

I just thought it was a reference to his tattoo.,

[livid badge]

First when you meet Doc, then in C-Con rep dialogue

[slow scarab]

ok can someone please just explain to me the lore or situation of stalker 2? I know what happened in CoP, CS and SoC.

i've seen too many videos that are over an hour long explaining the lore..

[livid badge]

this channel is for trilogy lore, s2 discussion is in #s2-lore-discussions but tldr: there are so many retcons that it's best to just treat it as a separate universe than soc, cs and cop because they rewrote so much that it no longer works together

[slow scarab]

😭

[iron grail]

It retcons enough to feel like a soft reboot to me, but I suppose you can look at it however you please really

[livid badge]

I felt like it is a soft reboot at first but some retcons just make events of past games impossible even if they were to happen on the new map. Like Krug antenna complex bloodsuckers threatening Skadovsk

[coarse briar]

Here is a theory

burers are satanic people but chose the Zone as their place of ritual because they needed a place with curious

people and no Law for their rituals

[tall elm]

and they all happened to be dwarves?

[unborn marlin]

Nah, they’re just criminals that were experimented on. “Here’s a bright idea. Let’s give psychos telekinetic abilities. What could possibly go wrong?”

[coarse briar]

They speak demon languages

[hoary totem]

Probably just incoherent mumbling and bumbling. I would be like that too if I had my brain forcefully shoved into connection with the noosphere

[coarse briar]

Haram

[fair gale]

Given how duty controls rostok in shadow do yall think it's canon that they won the the faction war in clear sky?

[weak laurel]

Basically none of the faction wars in clear sky really matter imo. Duty lost their old base (military occupied it in Shadow) and gained a new one if they didn't already have rostok, same with Freedom losing dark valley and getting the warehouses. Garbage is still full of Bandits, Cordon is still mostly Loners. Freedom and Duty are in a truce/ceasefire during Shadow (Skull is acting against his own orders trying to kill the Freedom guys at the Army Warehouses, even Duty recognized that it'd be bad for everyone if Freedom lost the Barrier).

[fair gale]

Ah so it'd make more sense scar stayed as a loner? Also was rostok just empty or did a faction hold it before duty?

[weak laurel]

Rostok was completely cut off from the rest of the zone due to the emissions going wild during clear sky, so it was empty during that game, but it always looked to me like a joint loner-duty venture. There's nothing in-game to suggest it was otherwise, until stalker 2 had Ward gerrymander everyone's territory.

[livid badge]

No devs just did not think much about that sort of continuity with the exception of freedom capturing army warehouses and bandits eyeing their old base.

Any other changes in locations are unexplained in-universe.

[patent maple]

Although Duty does indirectly call the Military at Agroprom their allies, so perhaps something was arranged

[livid badge]

We both know they did not plan that during soc so it’s not intentional writing

[patent maple]

*In SoC

After all, Voronin asks Strelok to get rid of the Stalkers based in Agroprom for their allies, because Duty can't be seen doing it. Their presence "wouldn't be advantageous for their allies"

And the only real big presence there are the Military stationed at the Agroprom Research Institute, Duty's former base

Put two and two together and you get a train

[livid badge]

Well consider the fact that bandits occupied it right before May 2012, so Duty couldn’t really strike an alliance and give it away to military.

[patent maple]

Not specifically saying they did give it away, but the Military there being seen as allies makes sense

Also, they did?

Where was that mentioned?

[fair gale]

Duty are just awol military stalkers so makes sense they're allied with the military and why they seemingly dissolved a decent bit in 2. They weren't really needed anymore so they became like. Rangers almost

[patent maple]

Well, they are and aren't allies

They still shoot at each other

But the higher ups, those who actually are former soldiers, usually got friends in the army

But with a majority of Duty now consisting out of Stalkers, it makes sense they don't want everyone to know that

Personally don't see the Ranger bit, tho

[tall elm]

I think it makes more sense for deserters to shoot the military

[livid badge]

Nimble’s flash (the one labeled Tolik’s PDA) mentions shooting both bandits and military at Agroprom institute, Bes mentions those bandits came from Agroprom and I swear there was also a mention of bandits in underground going there after military forced them off Agroprom

It was stated in plain text in bildos but release game still has hints

[patent maple]

Does it mean the area or the actual Institute?

Area makes more sense

[dusk remnant]

Can someone explain to me what role the factions play in previous games. I almost feel like they incorporated factions but there is no way to Track points or rep with them, like I feel it was a huge opportunity missed and wish there was more to it, like other games in fallout like brotherhood of steel, Enclave, NCR, Caravan, Legion, Institute. Feel like it seems like they incorporated it but never got around to developing it. Did previous games have more involvement or was it always just something surface level, meaningless, because that is what it is in this game for sure. Other than a few bar keep quest here and there and seeing these different groups, which I can’t even tell them apart, because again there is no tracking or designations on these people, it seems kinda pointless

[tall elm]

Duty: stop the Zone from expanding and protect the outside world from it.
Freedom: weed bro! haha! 420 blaze it uwu

[dusk remnant]

Has that been the whole of it, lol. So it is just a half ass layer thrown in but not explored.

[tall elm]

nah it's more deep than that, I just don't think it's possible to explain 3 games worth of lore in a chat message

you got the tiktok version

[dusk remnant]

Ok, fair enough, are you personally disappointed with what you know of the story that they didn’t incorporate it more. Because as someone new to the series it left me scratching my head as to why there’s groups weren’t more involved

[tall elm]

I haven't played Stalker 2 so I can't say. I recommend you play the original trilogy, they're great games.

[dusk remnant]

Ok do you recommend any good graphical mods at all.

Sorry for dumb questions I have no idea really lol

[tall elm]

I played it vanilla and that's what I recommend, but I like the dirty 2000's aesthetic so idk. You can ask in https://discord.com/channels/504587323577729024/561139727638593566 the people who might know.

[dusk remnant]

Thanks much appreciated

[fair gale]

The factions in stalker have never been a main focus really. Even in the game with a faction war. You're not gonna get aa detailed as fallout cuz they're more rpg adjacent rather than full rpg. They're all also like really experimental

[livid badge]

There is no mod that simply improves graphics without screwing up the unique artstyle that the old games have so you should just go vanilla

[livid badge]

I’m disappointed with S2 story in general xD

Lots of retcons, unnecessary changes and just twists for the sake of it

[dusk remnant]

So me being confused as a new player it isn’t any better for you being a seasoned player. I feel like the whole “Faust” situation needs some serious explanation lol

Like how the m’fer switching bodies, how he become or act like someone else, has a controller ever down that before. Is it all a hallucination since we in a psi field lol

[inner elm]

Indeed. Not to mention modifying landmarks and orientation in already established maps. Also changing their position completely. Agroprom Institute, Dark Valley, Wild Territory are gone completely. Also Zaton, which was near Jupiter and, actually, near Pripyat, in Call of Pripyat, is moved next to the Big Swamps, near Cordon. It's like they either don't know what was established in previous games or simply don't care and just take a piss at what was done before.

[tall elm]

Agroprom, Dark Valley and Wild Territory are completely missing in Stalker 2? You're joking, right?

[inner elm]

Oh, I'm sorry! I really didn't mean to spoil anything again. You didn't play 2?

[livid badge]

They are here just not as separate locations but kind of parts existing ones

[inner elm]

The don't look the same to me.

The position of the maps is also changed a lot in some cases, like I've already mentioned with Zaton.

[tall elm]

Nah, don't worry. That's not really a spoiler.

[patent maple]

Basically:

Duty: "Deserted" soldiers who want to destroy the Zone. Hunt mutants, act like policemen where possible.
Freedom: Created by Stalkers who were hippies in their past life. Wants to research the Zone, co-exist with it, believe the secrets and wonders of the Zone shouldn't be hidden from the world outside and want free access towards the Zone

There only being two real factions in STALKER wasn't any problem whatsoever. It brought a good balance, as each faction had a good thing and a bad thing

You associating HoC with Fallout is only logical, because it definitely feels inspired by it world-wise. Unfortunately, despite making new factions and reworking the older factions, they didn't actually give all of them the depth they'd deserve

But we are talking about HoC of course, so it's a bit w/e, tbh

[undone mesa]

Why does Duty keep coming back to the Zone?

Because they think the best way to honor their fallen comrades… is to send even more comrades to join them.

anyways
what is this -> #📸┃screens_and_videos message
only thing is written is РПУ-2 , you can start/stop and some interface connectors

[undone mesa]

alright show me a reference that freedom was created by hippy stalkers 🙂 anyways nice interpretation. Thoough you got part of ideology right, but that not only access but also knowledge.
Not sure what arguments are regarding fallout, but the only thing in common stalker and fallout has is radiation and apocoliptic world, just in stalker case its very small part of world. by this logic i guess witcher and stalker are also similar since both have monsters (which were created artificially)

[patent maple]

Ask and you shall receive

[undone mesa]

thanks, yeah i know this, but it is more like "hippies" than actual hippies

anyways, you know about screenshot link i posted? can't understand what it is

[patent maple]

Sorry, can't help you with that one

Maybe PSI? No clue, tbh

[undone mesa]

maybe, do not understand this, trying in any way to figure out what is this (its from HoC waste processing plant)
damn

[cursive oasis]

comepletely forgot about this line

[tall elm]

You could say that about every faction.

[undone mesa]

relax, its a joke 🙂 well debatable, not all decided really to fight zone and suck at it...

[tall elm]

but Duty is the most powerful faction?

[undone mesa]

so powerful but can't achieve its goals lol

[odd kindle]

Is the struggle between Freedom & Duty supposed to mirror the real life historical struggle between anarchist ukraine (Makhnovshchina) and the Soviet Union?

I am definitely not the first person to suggest this, but I don't think this has ever been confirmed to be intentional

[odd kindle]

This probably transcends lore but not sure where else to post

[undone mesa]

i hope someone will answer this for you : )) bought some beer and chips....well its not that crazy how some propogandist recently i've read in this discord, compared Ukrainians with monolith....and feels pity for geocide of monolith by skif....

[odd kindle]

That's crazy. Especially because these games have always had a strong ukranian identity. Heart of Chornobyl brought in a lot of new people... Both good and bad.

[tall elm]

what faction achieved its goals?

[undone mesa]

ward

freedom achieving its goals everyday 😄

[tall elm]

I'm not asking about that lore disaster

[tall elm]

getting high and not doing anything?

[undone mesa]

thats only your little subjective opinion, thanks for sharing even you weren't asked 😄

[tall elm]

nah, a lot of people share this opinion

[undone mesa]

a lot don't, if you try to make disccusion than its not going well 😄

[iron grail]

Which automatically makes it more correct of course

Not that I think there's really such a thing as correct when it comes to art anyway

[tall elm]

@undone mesa just claimed that my opinion isn't valid because it's not popular LOL

[iron grail]

Yeah it goes both ways of course. Fwiw I think people who do not like the new game can generally articulate some rational reasons for why, though I personally don't prioritize those things as highly

[undone mesa]

are you writting from kindergarden? i did not said it isn't valid, show were it is written

[tall elm]

your entire message is condescending (including this one), just because you didn't EXPLICITLY WRITE something doesn't mean you didn't mean it

[undone mesa]

so you are saying you just imagining?

[tall elm]

your condescending attitude is a fact, I don't have to imagine it 🙂

[hoary totem]

No. Military is the most powerful faction. They have the most men, second-best equipment, and actual proper vehicles and such. The only reason they don't come in and wipe every stalker from the Zone is A: it would largely be impractical and a waste of resources, B: they are corrupt and get plenty of bribes, and C: Ecologists use Stalkers, Ecologists are generally higher in authority than the Military

[patent maple]

Technically Clear Sky, despite their disappearance. Other than that, whatever you're siding with in HoC

But Freedom is basically accomplishing more goals than Duty, so there's another reason why Freedom is based

[tall elm]

like what goals?

[livid badge]

that's short term mission, not overall goal

[patent maple]

Holding the Barrier, for one

[patent maple]

Yes

Goal is an unfortunate name for this

[tall elm]

Why would Duty waste its own men when Freedom's already doing it? They're killing two birds with one stone, holding the barrier and weakening Freedom.

Constantly fighting off Monolithians at the Barrier is not a win for Freedom, quite the opposite actually.

[patent maple]

Except everyone at 100 Rada Bar literally complains about Duty not doing its job, like killing mutants. They're not doing anything whatsoever

[tall elm]

They do raids into the Wild Territory.

[patent maple]

They do have a small outpost in the Wild Territory, if you can even call it that, but abandon shop soon as nightfall. They're too scared of the mutants

[tall elm]

Gameplay-wise yeah, but lore-wise they talk about raids into Wild Territory.

[patent maple]

Except what I just said is also lore. You can find Dutyers saying that

[tall elm]

So they say both things.

[patent maple]

Yup

Of course, there's also that small lie about Duty donating all their artifacts to the scientists, but that gets revealed in CoP

[tall elm]

Who reveals it?

[patent maple]

Random dialogue in Yanov Station. A Duty mentions how selling an artifact here is nothing like further South

It's actually voiced. Only had it happen once

[tall elm]

"selling an artifact here is nothing like further South" that's it?

[patent maple]

Something among that line, yeah

It's been a while, so I can't quote it word for word

CoP also reveals how Duty came to existence and that it actually existed back in 2006, so CoP can be pretty interesting when it comes to lore

[tall elm]

yeah I played CoP

[patent maple]

In that case, you obviously know that the Monolith used a gauss rifle in the very first army raid of 2006

[livid badge]

what? where does it mention that?

i thought kovalsky referred to operation monolith (in desdocs they even had an idea where he recognized strelok from it)

[patent maple]

Colonel Kovalsky (He did not mention the year, but he did mention the first raid)

I thought you knew that

Either way, what he says is wrong, no matter if he's referring to 2006 or 2012

If he means 2006, then he was fighting ghosts, as the Monolith (the brainwashed variety, not the faction before that) didn't exist nor did the Gauss Rifle

If he means 2012, then that would be the second raid, not the first

[livid badge]

I am 70% certain the implication is operation monolith as the first raid he took a part in

[patent maple]

Yup

Still, how it's written, it's wrong either way

Kinda wack

But hey, at least not as big a retcon as the existence of Heart of Chornobyl

[livid badge]

Imagine Sid looting Strelok in his bunker for the first time but getting only the pda and not the bigass shiny artifact

Man s2 writing is so wack it’s insane

[patent maple]

Fr

Official fanfic

Speaking of, did you look into the thing?

[livid badge]

that made me think how much fanon they actually incorporated

[patent maple]

Document of all retcons and fanfic when?

[iron grail]

Why would Strelok have had it in Sid's bunker when it was supposed to be the artifact he showed doctor after his first trip north

idgi

[patent maple]

It depends on whether or not he's stashed it somewhere

If so, then he managed to find it later on, despite his memory loss

If not, then yeah, he would've had that on his person during CS, SoC and CoP

Which would mean Sidorovich would've found that on him after surviving the Death Truck

[patent maple]

At this point, it's just natural selection

[hollow pecan]

gumapelvaler1an has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

kennii3175 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

andro2725 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow pecan]

baaaal44 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[patent maple]

Absolute clown moment

[unborn crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-stalker-2-caption-jumpscare-chimera-gif-5078589080806419871

[upbeat galleon]

Hey did you all know about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Consciousness_Project
https://noosphere.princeton.edu/

[upbeat galleon]

wtf am i reading

[iron grail]

Yeah the noosphere stuff in stalker is all at least loosely based on some real theories

[raw swan]

Average pseudo-science

[cursive oasis]

i kinda hate that

[tall elm]

why?

[upbeat galleon]

they are just hypotheses, not theories. a theory requires significant evidence, all of the above is pretty much wishful thinking of a bunch of hippie scientists, which btw i don't mind, it's interesting stuff. And at least they didn't try to start their own pseudoscience cult or anything, just doing their quirky stuff with a computer for 30 years straight.

[hollow pecan]

neko07176 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[urban veldt]

Man I sure would love more details about that disease Fox (from SoC) had

[timber bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSa7AMoF1A

[edgy charm]

ohhh you have no idea, early SoC story had those guys involved
https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Біле_братство
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Кривоногов,_Юрий_Андреевич
idea was that C-con could affect Kiev population with the Brainscorcher, and that's why the white brotherhood protests happened

in the literary script (Children of the Zone) the names are changed a bit, but Krivonogov is quite literally namedropped as the main cause of all of this

[tall elm]

is the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. acronym ever explained in any of the games?

[livid badge]

no, it was in the builds tho

https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/11xwc3n/the_lost_meaning_of_the_stalker_mark/

[west gulch]

I watched a documentary on SoC made by a guy who is now working in GCS on stalker 2. And as far as I remember he said that it was something to do with copyrighting that they had to add dots in-between of letters

Here https://youtu.be/w0ImdCEZZTk?t=709

[iron grail]

That was the real reason yes. As SurDno shared though one of the older builds had an in game explanation too

It's a case of having to create lore to fit a business necessity

[tall elm]

so it's not canon

[livid badge]

Nah

[hollow pecan]

froztedtips has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[half pasture]

Guys how is zaton/area separated from the other section of the zone

Is it separated by pripyat?

[livid badge]

They are locations that were previously inaccessible due to Brain Scorcher influence. Strelok makes it to Jupiter after blowing up Red Forest tunnel, so they're somewhere on the north.

As for exact location, we don't know that. The Pripyat in S2 is also a different part than the one we see in SoC, but we can assume they're somewhere between Radar and Pripyat purely based on compass and positioning.

[half pasture]

So the red forest leads to that section?

[half pasture]

Also why is the military so small in cop

[upbeat galleon]

thank god, the abbreviation is cringe af

[acoustic stone]

Just my thought. Probably because Deggy wont have to shoot them since he's in an undercover mission as regular stalker.

[livid badge]

Because you are mostly in the northern locations. In previous games you would normally see them patrolling the perimeter or being a part of ongoing operations (such as Operation Monolith in SoC). In CoP, there is one failed operation that you are tasked to investigate, why would they send more army while they're still not clear what made the previous one fail?

Similarly, you see military on Agroprom in SoC only because they were tasked to retrieve documents from the institute building. You see helis on Yantar as they were tasked by scientists to clear the territory. They don't really exist as a faction and travel the Zone normally.

[acoustic stone]

I guess that also make sense.

[livid badge]

Maybe. Maybe there is something in-between. Maybe Strelok took a sharp turn on his path to CNPP and Jupiter is not actually in the way. There are lots of things that are not fully explained in trilogy lore, get used to that.

[acoustic stone]

There were 3 emissions in Stalker CS. First being when Strelok reached CNPP for the first time. Second? Third when everyone were fighting around CNPP.

[livid badge]

The first is Great Emission which opened up lots of paths and everything. The second that we experience on the second outpost is I believe a part of more smaller emissions. There are many mentions of "one firing after another" in dialogues which is lore explanation of CS emissions in gameplay.

[acoustic stone]

hmm

I kinda forgot if theres random emission in Stalker CS.

So the 2nd scripted emission is just being random then.

[livid badge]

So it's Great Emission, then many smaller emissions while Strelok is still not dead, and then whatever happens in end of CS (the common assumption is that it's another emission that can be compared in strength with Great Emission and S2 used a fan term superemissions for that).

[livid badge]

Nah, it is scripted. But it does not change anything about the game's world and there are lots of actually random emissions. It is also not mentioned in dialogues as anything out of the ordinary. So it's reasonable to assume that it's not comparable to Great Emission that happens in the intro.

[acoustic stone]

Yea I mean its scripted to appear but its just random emission that has nothing to do with Strelok being in CNPP.

[livid badge]

Well, all the emissions during CS happen because C-Con wants to kill Strelok, so they ALL have to do with Strelok. Prior to CS events, emissions happened once every few months, as mentioned by scientist guy in intro, who says the next emission is scheduled in two months.

[acoustic stone]

Oh yeah...

[livid badge]

And once Strelok made it to the center, C-Con started the Great Emission, and then kept firing smaller emissions while he was still alive.

And while that's purely headcanon, it nicely ties up into lack of emissions during SoC events lol.

As in the Zone is stable again.

But that's obviously not something that devs intended, just a nice coincidence of lore and gameplay.

[acoustic stone]

Now idk what to ask...

Oh yeah. I hate the new exo designs in S2. While there are varieties, they look less bulky.

I mean the exos and servos themselves. In the OG trilogy you get to see the batteries and cables all around.

[livid badge]

Many suits got redesigned and lost identity in the process, not just exos.

[acoustic stone]

SEVA series looked better imo.

Sunrise... Not so much.

[tall elm]

the C-Con guy still called it an acronym, we just don't know what does it stand for

[iron grail]

I'm pretty mixed on the appearance of the new exoskeletons, though I'm impressed at the amount of effort that went into them regardless

[patent maple]

TrilOG has the better designs, hands down

Which is honestly just laughable, ngl

[livid badge]

people putting soul into the game vs 400 underpaid interns

[livid badge]

Think "acronym" part if a part of ENGLISH LORE

as deranged people call it. It's actually outdated build texts that went into translation instead of final ones.

Basically changes of past 3 months of SoC development are not used in any localization other than UA and RU.

This includes major lore differences such as C-Con dialogue.

[patent maple]

SoC is actually an officially published build

[livid badge]

English:

No, we had nothing to do with that. Most of us were only starting out in science back then. The Chernobyl Zone was not used as a testing site for experiments until 1989.
Russian:
No, we had nothing to do with that. Our experiment started already after the CNPP disaster.
English:
The transports we use to send our marked “agents” into the Zone. They infiltrate the stalker “community” and carry out our orders without realising it. Unfortunately, more than half of stalkers die during transportation, the Zone is very unstable. You are one of our agents sent to kill Strelok and we’re now trying to work out how we made that mistake.
Russian:
It’s transport we use to get our agents to different parts of the Zone. Agents infiltrate the stalker community and complete tasks they were programmed to do without realising it. Unfortunately, more than half of stalkers die during transportation, the Zone is very unstable.
English:
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a coded acronym, which we use to mark agents programmed for particular missions. Your mission, as our agent, was to kill Strelok and his group. They got too close to finding out things they shouldn’t know. We created a network of psi-fields on the way to the Zone’s center in order to recruit agents. You know one of these fields by the name of Brain Scorcher. When a stalker attempts to reach the Zone’s center in order to fulfill some wish we acquire control over his consciousness and program him to a specific mission. A mistake was made and your mission was to kill yourself.
Russian:
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is the name of the program to program people for particular missions. We created a network of psi-emitters on the way to the Zone’s center. You know the largest one by the name of Brain Scorcher. Anyone who tries to get to the center of the Zone gets under our controls. Then they are being programmed, become our agents and get S.T.A.L.K.E.R. tattoo. Sending them throughout the zone, we control the course of events and guarantee our safety.
English:
You're a bolt that fell out of the machine. Unfortunately, that did not come to our attention for a long time. From the moment the Zone was formed, many people have tried to get to its centre but we cannot let that happen. Humanity is not ready for the truth. That is why we recruited stalkers by promising them the fullfillment of their most coveted desires. Once recruited they would be sent to protect the Zone’s secret.
Russian:
You're a bolt that fell out of the machine. During one of the trips to the center of the Zone you came too close to us. Our protection from trespassing was considered perfect, but you managed to find a way that we didn’t even suspect. We couldn’t let anyone else know our secret. Humanity is not ready for the truth. So we started programming agents to destroy you. For reasons unknown, the equipment malfunctioned and we didn’t notice that you turned up among stalkers that got under our control. As a result, you got a mission to kill yourself.
English:
What you see is the result of ill-considered intervention in the Earth's noosphere. Attempts to affect the noosphere brought about a local crack. The Zone is simply the visible manifestation of this crack. The underlying problem is far greater than you can imagine.
Russian:
The Zone is the result of an experiment with the Earth's noosphere that got out of control. We were going to connect to the noosphere to explore the possibility to affect it. But during the experiment, a crack happened, and the noosphere’s energy gushed on the Earth, changing everything around it. This is how the anomaly that you call the Zone appeared.

[tall elm]

so there's "english lore" and "russian lore"? xD

[livid badge]

English:

That depends on you. The Zone is growing. We're trying to restrain its expansion but humanity seems to be intent on hindering our work. Our resources are not limitless and bodies connected to C-Consciousness eventually die. If you join us, we can restrict the Zone's growth. If you decide otherwise we cannot make a credible prognosis of the outcome.
Russian:
What happens next depends on you. The Zone is slowly but steadily growing. Our strength is merely enough to restrain the noosphere’s energy flow. You can join us, our strength will be increased and perhaps we will be able to take in under control. You can destroy us. Then the noosphere’s energy will start flowing into the Zone unhindered, and it’s unknown what it will lead to.
English:
It was the best place. After the explosion in 1986 there were very few people left in this area and we could work without fear of being found. Further, there were many powerful antennae here, which are extremely important for our cognitive optimisation experiments.
Russian:
Chernobyl Exclusion Zone was the most fitting place for our experiments. Firstly, after the explosion in 1986 there were very few people left in this area and we could work without fear of being found. Secondly, the power plant supplied us with energy that we needed for the functioning of our installations. Thirdly, near the power plant there were many powerful antennae here that were used in experiments on affecting human consciousness.
English:
We are the result of an experiment aimed at creating a superconsciousness called “C-Consciousness”. The consciousnesses of seven volunteers were connected during the experiment leading to the creation of the superconsciousness that is us. We immediately subordinated those who were conducting the experiment and assigned them to tasks we needed them to carry out. According to our calculations, Earth is surrounded by a special informational field, the so-called noosphere. It includes all the inhabitants of the planet with cognitive abilities. Our main goal was to make small adjustments to the noosphere, allowing us to remove things like anger, cruelty, greed and other negative factors from the planet. Individuals are unable to affect the noosphere but C-Consciousness could. Unfortunately we made a mistake and our interference spawned the Zone, which we have been trying to contain ever since.
Russian:
We are “C-Consciousness”, a group of researchers that set the goal to change the world. It is know that Earth is surrounded by a special informational field, the so-called noosphere. It includes all the inhabitants of the planet with cognitive abilities and stores all of their mental imagery. We decided to connect to the noosphere and make make adjustments to it, removing everything dark that humanity spawned, making the world perfect. Individuals are unable to affect the noosphere**, so we combined our consciousnesses**.

[livid badge]

There's technically a single canon which is RU/UA texts and the rest is translation errors. But due to how major some of the changes are, most English speaking community has a completely different understanding on what the history of C-Con is, for example.

[tall elm]

dots after letters still point it to being an acronym, no matter how much they deny it

[patent maple]

Yeah, it's pretty funky

Like, in CS, we learn the the Army carried nukes with them during the First Army Raid of 2006

But the nukes are only mentioned in English translation

AKA English translation has more spice

[tall elm]

[steel plover]

In cs we also learn the army uses depleted uranium machine guns

[raw swan]

I wonder if the other translations have other lore elements

[livid badge]

UA provided some changes to RU texts that have not been used by any other translation at all (yet).

[upbeat galleon]

yeah why don't Duty just nuke the zone?

[west gulch]

duty are pussies. they sit in their bases and shoot blind dogs

[patent maple]

First off, nuke what? Secondly, even if they did, would it help? And lastly, the radiation would blow over Europe, just like back during the First Disaster

Even Duty admits that you can't just nuke the Zone

[upbeat galleon]

watch me

[peak moth]

How the hell would Duty get nukes

[upbeat galleon]

wish for them at a wish granter

[hollow pecan]

karvaj has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rapid shell]

||Considering that in cop we meet strelok in prypjat when he is on his way backafter he destroyed c-cons, how stalkers were able to set up yanov and sadowsk so fast??||

[raw swan]

I think there are several weeks between the games

And the zone is not that big its just a little walk

[tall elm]

what do you mean "set up"?

[rapid shell]

Before turning down the scorcher both places where not accessible, so the places needed to be discovered, "renovated" to some extend, etc etc

[rapid shell]

Mh ok, just feels like a lot happened in a few weeks. At sadowsk it makes the impression years of conflict between beard and sultansk were going on

[iron grail]

It's a few months I think. Certainly an amount of time that doesn't really make sense

Not sure why they didn't set it a year or more later

[tall elm]

it's a boat that was already standing there, it's hardly renovated

[rapid shell]

They even have a bar!

[tall elm]

it's 3 planks cobbled together

[rapid shell]

They even have a hospital ward

[tall elm]

it's one stinky bed lol

[patent maple]

It does take place in the same year, but there's some time in-between

We can't say for sure when the Brain Scorcher got turned off and when SoC's ending takes place, but at least count a couple of months

[rapid shell]

Sultan has a business lounge!

[patent maple]

As soon as the Scorcher got turned off, people came to the North in droves. It was a gold rush of sorts. Unexplored areas = secrets, artifacts and, thus, money

They somehow managed to get a ship over there and use it as a makeshift base!

Bro

[tall elm]

Soo, Zaton is in the way to CNPP?

it's next to Pripayat so I guess it is

[patent maple]

Technically, it's South of the CNPP, but the map of CoP uses IRL references and are not accurate with the maps of SoC and CS

IRL-wise, it's Northwest of the CNPP

Of course, we all know how HoC (incorrectly) thinks about this dilemma

[tall elm]

Stalker's geography is confusing

[rapid shell]

Check the map of stalker anomaly, there it is arranged quite meaningful imo

[tall elm]

@urban veldt Anomaly got something right!

[patent maple]

Too bad it's a mod for Fallout tho

[whole spoke]

What suit does Strelok wear in the true ending?

Helmetless SEVA?

[cursive oasis]

pretty sure yeah

[urban veldt]

No
They didnt
Not only is it done wrong but it also wasnt done by them

Road to the North has much more accurate map while also using Call of Chernobyl as basis

[livid badge]

A few months between the beginnings of the game, but you need to take into account how long SoC could potentially take.

And that you meet Strelok on his way back.

[livid badge]

Also yeah you can consider that people went to Zaton and Jupiter for the first time not after but during soc events

[raw swan]

The only accurate map is stalker2's

[livid badge]

S2’s map is not accurate neither to real life nor to established canon

[raw swan]

Stalker 2 map is cannon . CoP's map was already a problem canon-wise. And who cares about real life

If the game was faithful to real life it would just be boring

New canon>old canon> fanmade canon> real life canon

[livid badge]

New canon is wack either way, get to #s2-lore-discussions young man, this is a category for based unfiltered x-ray discussion

[patent maple]

TrilOG, my beloved

[tall elm]

geographically it should be faithful to real life, it already recreates locations

[rapid shell]

Just open google maps and you see how it is very close to rl regarding fauna

[livid badge]

I can open Google maps and see that Duga is facing a completely different direction and locations like Icarus are entirely made up.

Pripyat in stalker universe is to the south from CNPP, I’ll accept no other option, anything that suggests otherwise is a cheap fanfic.

[iron grail]

Bad news, the canon is now that it's northwest, so now being south is the fanfic

[unique fable]

Prypiat was in the right location in CoP.. that wasn’t a S2 change

[iron grail]

But ultimately, what does it really matter anyway

[livid badge]

What would you compare it to in a world with no CNPP lol

It’s not mentioned to be on the north from CNPP either, so nah.

[unique fable]

You can literally see the CNPP on the map

[livid badge]

Uh, no you can’t?

[unique fable]

Uh yes you can

[rapid shell]

Oh well yeah a radar station facing a different direction is ofc devastating difference...oh lord

[livid badge]

Open the map and show it to me then. There is nothing under Pripyat.

[rapid shell]

The soc layout didnt make much sense, also the location of radar. Why people never came from the north to the zone?

[livid badge]

If you add to that that any location returning from OG trilogy is also entirely made up, yeah, you will get a very different map.

[livid badge]

They did. The northern boundaries are mentioned in SoC and Strelok used to work on the north.

Why exactly it was impossible to pass is up to interpretation, but we know there are anomaly fields blocking paths and that C-Con had other smaller emitters apart form Brain scorcher. BS was just the largest one.

SoC layout made perfect sense. The game does not need to mimic real life, and S2 still doesn’t, it just shifts some things around.

S2 could show the areas to the north from CNPP. Or the locations that were known from lore but not shown, such as City-32 and The Rotten Forest.

[rapid shell]

It only makes sense in the later versions, where the scorcher is no single facility but a network of antennas

[livid badge]

Scorcher is not a network of antennas.

It is never mentioned as such. The original texts refer to several DIFFERENT emitters apart from scorcher.

[rapid shell]

Not sxorcher like radar itsself tje location

But the psi field generators spanned a network

[livid badge]

That’s your headcanon, devs always intended Radar to only control scorcher and scorcher to be composed of just the antennas on top of X10.

[rapid shell]

Soc map was just a way to control player progression, but in a seemless open world it just does not make sense

[livid badge]

It does make perfect sense if you design the world with those limitations in mind.

But working within existing medium is too hard for GSC so they just rewrote everything

Without any regards to how that affects existing lore and stories

I’ve seen modders do a perfectly seamless openworld merge of Agroprom, DV, Swamps, Cordon and Garbage. And that’s on X-Ray. There’s nothing that would prevent devs from remaking the entire EXISTING map in Unreal and then filling the blank spaces with whatever they want.

[rapid shell]

I personally wouldnt have liked a seemless opennworlf pressed into a vertical canal. Im not saying s2 makes no mistakes with their world, but going away from the erliar design would not have been fitting with modern game technology. You can be sure that it would have been super weird

[rapid shell]

Thats all sure not the same size scale as s2

[unique fable]

Not currently at my computer to do that

[livid badge]

Doesn’t have to be vertical canal, you can expand the map in any direction to add new areas and that wouldn’t really be a contradiction. We don’t know much what’s to the east of dark valley or to the west of Agroprom.

[unique fable]

But GSC admitted it was an error and they confirmed that they corrected Prypiat’s location on the CoP map

[livid badge]

Then google CoP map.

[unique fable]

Unhelpful, I only seem to get maps of Zaton

[livid badge]

Ok, then give me source where they “admitted it’s an error”. It’s baseless misinformation. GSC visited Pripyat themselves, they knew where it is located, and deliberately changed its position in the game world.

They are not correcting anything because there was no mistake, it was intentional game design choice.

[unique fable]

It’s literally on the wiki for Prypiat location in CoP

[livid badge]

I’ll get it for you: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/stalker/images/9/9c/Global_map_CoP.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210622154212&path-prefix=ru

Where on this map did you hallucinate CNPP?

[livid badge]

The wiki is incorrect in this case. Fandom English wiki is terrible and not a source of information at all.

[unique fable]

It’s not an error they changed it

[livid badge]

Changed what? There are no mentions of Pripyat position in CoP. Not in any way.

It’s not in dialogues, it’s not on the map.

[rapid shell]

Its said that the region lies northeast of cnpp

[livid badge]

Where lol

Show me the in-game dialogues, or developer design documents, or anything that would confirm this claim

[rapid shell]

Furthermore you can see the pripyat (the river i meam) which flows next to cnpp

[rapid shell]

I replayed cop before s2 release and im quite sure its mentioned there, but need to lool it up ofc

Prob in the into

[livid badge]

It flows through the entire Zone in the SoC/CS map including near Pripyat.

[rapid shell]

Intro*

[livid badge]

I can tell you most certainly that you are incorrect.

But I will be glad to be proven wrong.

[unique fable]

You’re the only one who doesn’t believe this man

[livid badge]

My brother in Christ, you just MADE UP that it’s on the map while it isn’t and I showed you the entire map, of course I do not believe it because neither of you can source it.

— well it’s on the map
— where?
— idk

— well it’s mentioned
— where?
— idk

If you make claims like that, you would need to provide evidence.

I can most certainly tell you that while CoP remakes Pripyat closer to real life, it’s a different district (the first one) while SoC is a mix of objects from other districts. So there is no direct contradiction, it just shows a different part of in-game city.

[unique fable]

Brother, the geographic location where Prypiat and Yaniv are lined up only with them being in their real life locations.

the Prypiat River (especially the way the river bends on the map) can be seen in the northern part of that map, CNPP should be on the same side as Prypiat, it’s not to the north.

[rapid shell]

Blue way ok, red way not possible
#📸┃screenshots_and_videos message

You rly say new layout makes less sense?^^

[livid badge]

The red path is quite literally being explored in CS.

Yes, the new layout makes NO SENSE at all as the new position of brain scorcher is blocking NOTHING

[patent maple]

Clear Sky's map

You can see Limansk and the Deserted Hospital to the left

[rapid shell]

Which played long before soc

[patent maple]

One year

Less than a year, actually

[rapid shell]

It just makes more sense to say there was a network of psi emitters

[patent maple]

(I don't even know what's going on here)

[patent maple]

There is

The Brain Scorcher isn't the only emitter

We just never see them

[rapid shell]

Yeah

[patent maple]

[rapid shell]

The initial argument was s2 map does make much less sense gameplay wise

[livid badge]

You like to cherrypick Pripyat and Yaniv but completely disregard all the other CoP locations? What about where the Krug Antenna Complex is positioned in real life? Why would you draw conclusions only from only the placement of objects that support your theory?

[patent maple]

Well, it sure as hell doesn't make sense compared to the Trilogy

[rapid shell]

I will look for the ingame hint that it is northern tonught when im at home, we will be smarter then

[unique fable]

It’s not a theory lmao

[livid badge]

Yes, and CS explains how which areas are accessible and not depends on the anomalous activity blocking the paths. Red Forest is inaccessible during SoC events so Brain Scorcher is the only way through. The alternative path through Catacombs that Strelok took during his first trip to the center and that Scar and CS took is no longer accessible.

[unique fable]

the discussion was about prypiat’s location, it was (correctly) moved to the northwest where it belongs

[livid badge]

It is a theory. There is nothing that directly confirms the position of Pripyat in regards to CNPP. I say it’s still to the south in CoP where it belongs.

[rapid shell]

And why red forest is inaccessible?

[unique fable]

yes I understand the need in SoC/CS for “game design” purposes, but GSC obviously want to make it actually where it is on the map

[rapid shell]

Because strelok dedtroyed tunnel?

[livid badge]

In HoC map Brain Scorcher being disabled would not open the path to any of the northern locations. Neither Zaton, nor Pripyat, nor Jupiter.

[unique fable]

Ah well I wasn’t apart of that arguement

[livid badge]

Because emissions open new areas and close existing ones. For the same reason Rostok is off limits during CS events.

[livid badge]

And I think it’s a spit in the face of the fans to try to change the in-game geography in a universe with established lore.

[unique fable]

I disagree

[livid badge]

Explain it then. How is more geographically accurate position of some of the map elements somehow beneficial for the game world?

Okay, Pripyat is now on the north from CNPP. How does that affect existing storylines? Why is this change necessary?

[unique fable]

It’s necessary because how do you explain how a city north of the CNPP is suddenly to the south of it.

It was a game design choice that had nothing to do with lore

I do agree that S2’s brainscorcher location does make it seem rather dubious

[patent maple]

Even if that's the case, Zaton is still misplaced. IRL, Zaton is North of Pripyat, just like CoP

[livid badge]

Easy explanation — for the same reason that Cordon is in the game world but not real life. Because in-game geography does not have to follow real life.

[unique fable]

Yes I do not entirely understand that change tbf

[livid badge]

S2 is still going to be very much 80% made up world either way, whether Pripyat location is correct or not.

[rapid shell]

Not of it is interpretet as the main emiiter for a network spanning from west to east

[livid badge]

If it “spanned west to east” then many locations that are accessible in the trilogy still wouldn’t be. Red Forest is not under brain scorcher influence but it would be in S2. Same goes for Yantar. And Zaton is in a completely different position.

Besides, Marked One disabled just the brain scorcher, all the other emitters were still very much in place in SoC.

[patent maple]

Let's just agree that STALKER 2 isn't connected to the TrilOG in any way, despite what GSC says. After all, new devs, new mentality and a truck load of retcons

It's basically one of those Fallout situations

[livid badge]

Except game design decisions lead to lore implications. You can’t just move Pripyat as you see stalkers rush through it in an attempt to get to the CNPP first. How would that whole section play out if Pripyat was on the north the whole time?

[livid badge]

That deserves a pin

[rapid shell]

Scorcher is source of the emission, the other emitters would just be conductors

[patent maple]

They're not connected, but references to several actions you could experience in the other games that are mentioned in the game you're currently playing means that said mentioned actions are now also canon in that game

It's confusing I guess, but that's how I see it

[patent maple]

Uh, it isn't

[livid badge]

No, that is directly contradicted by C-Con representative. Brain Scorcher is one of many emitters. The largest one, yes, but they all emit psy. It’s not just Scorcher emitting it and others transmitting.

[patent maple]

If that's the case, then where did the Emission at the end of SoC come from?

[livid badge]

Yeah I tried to build what is called “alternative trilogy” in my head based purely on what events are mentioned in HoC and this makes a little more sense than trying to fit S1 and S2 together.

[unique fable]

the… power plant

Oh I did not read up

[livid badge]

I think he refers to psy-emissions from Kaymanov emitters, not emissions as in blowouts.

[rapid shell]

Except for red forest ot would work , the line doed not need to be a perfect straight line

But anyways im not against that radar pos in s2 is shit. Im just sayin s1 layout wouödnt have been good im s2 seamless open world

[livid badge]

The thing is, it can’t be a line at all. Many of locations blocked by Brain Scorcher are completely surrounded by those that were not. Things like Krug antenna complex are underneath BS.

[livid badge]

It would if the game was designed with that in mind. Remember that we know areas beyond CNPP and to the west / east of our known map exist.

As GSC PR once put it, the zone you explore in SoC is just a single part of a sliced pie.

It’s just that S2 decided to mash that pie into a shake.

[rapid shell]

#📸┃screenshots_and_videos message

[livid badge]

Draw it through the entire map please. Including cement factory, Zaton, etc.

And Krug antenna complex near burnt forest which was also found for the first time only after brain scorcher got disabled