⭐┃trilogy-general

[paper pivot]

Yah idk shi like that. I just started playing 2 weeks ago. Only finished shoc

[naive hollow]

You skipped CS?

Shame

[paper pivot]

Or is it?.... Vsauce music plays

[paper pivot]

I'll play it after cop

[pale nebula]

Considering you can easily find an AC-96/2 right near Yaniv and upgrade it within that price limit, yeah.

[naive hollow]

Oof

Ah well, at least you'll play it

Which is based

Let me know how the Holy Run goes

[paper pivot]

I'll buy them all new weapons so i guess I'll hunt artefacts

[paper pivot]

[pale nebula]

You can do that too, but you'll find enough decent weapons from dead people and only spend cash on repairs.

[paper pivot]

Yah that's a good idea

Something's bothering me. Is this the only mission that zulu needs help with before going to pripyat?

[pale nebula]

Before Pripyat, yes. In Pripyat, you'll need to help him again if you want him alive.

[paper pivot]

K

Thanks

[pale nebula]

No problem.

[paper pivot]

I have vss, vssk, the default shotgun that the hunter or someone gives after hunting mutants (the one with the scope) and a deagle. Is this setup good? (No spoilers though)

I can't seem to find a striker shotgun. Only one I could find was the one at the bandit camp after the cheeki breeki time

[pale nebula]

VSSK? The shotgun with the scope is the Eliminator, but you don't get that from Trapper. You can buy it from Nimble or find it in a stash from Jupiter.

[paper pivot]

Using the stcop weapon pack

[pale nebula]

Trapper gives you the Predator, a modified Chaser 13.

[paper pivot]

Vssk is a sniper rife that I got from nimble

[paper pivot]

Idk. It was a TOZ-66 with a scope

[pale nebula]

Ah, well, you lost me there. I only play vanilla.

[paper pivot]

Welp

I'll figure that out

I play with no cross hair lol cus of that, i can't hit the cheeky rats lol

@pale nebula Do they need ammo too?

[pale nebula]

No. As far as I can tell, NPCs have unlimited ammo. Don't quote me on this 100%, but I've never seen them run out of ammo.

I've read that in Call of Pripyat they have unlimited ammo for their default weapon. In Sokolov's case, an upgraded AC-96/2 would be ideal as his default weapon uses 5.45 mm ammo.

[graceful horizon]

If they have a single piece of ammo in their inventory they can reload their weapon as often as they want

[graceful horizon]

Could also give him the 5.45 tunder

If you're feeling generous

[pale nebula]

Yes, but I'm keeping that for my collection. It's a unique weapon and I get the lion's share.

[graceful horizon]

But he'll reset to his default weapon on the next mission

[pale nebula]

Indeed he does, but you can just equip him again with what you want. During the evaction, giving people AC-96/2 and Thunder S14 makes them quite dangerous.

Strelok becomes a certified killer with the AC-96/2 instead of his AKM-74/2u.

[paper pivot]

Like 1 piece of ammo?

[pale nebula]

No, he was referring to the unique Thunder S14, that fires 5.45 mm ammo, instead of the usual 9.39 mm. You can get that weapon from Nimble, but only once.

[paper pivot]

Hm alr

[pale nebula]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Storm

One of the 4 best assault rifles in the game.

[paper pivot]

Is it a good idea if I get a GP weapon without the vss?

Like a groza?

[pale nebula]

What do you mean by GP? The GP-37?

[paper pivot]

Idk like a groza?

I have one in my stash

It has a grenade launcher too

[pale nebula]

Default Groza is very good as it is. It's just that its ammo is rather heavy and has significant bullet drop because of that, however you can correct that to a degree through upgrades.

[paper pivot]

K

[pale nebula]

Personally, I prefer the 5.45 Groza, the Storm, which I showed you earlier. It has the same characteristics of a regular Groza, but its ammo is lighter and easier to obtain. With AP 5.45, you'll drop pretty much anybody with well aimed headshots.

[paper pivot]

Alr

[pale nebula]

If you like underbarrel grenade launchers, Strelok's SGI-5K can also be fitted with one and that weapon is one of the very best in the game.

[paper pivot]

Alr thanks

[naive hollow]

All weapons are good in their own way

Buuuuut..... for the Pripyat-1 Run, I suggest using the SGI-5k

Seen its reliability, high RoF and accuracy, common ammo and ability to mount an underslung grenade launcher

Tunder S14 is another option, but the RoF chews through your already rare ammo and the RoF chews through reliability as well

I personally use the Storm as more of a versatile sniping tool, for as well that's possible with the Storm

Locked into 3-round bursts most of the time and a silencer and scope attached

[pale nebula]

Yes, but a few are simply better than the rest.

[naive hollow]

It all depends on playstyle

[pale nebula]

So you're saying the Strelok's SGI-5k, GP-37, FT-200M and Storm aren't visibly ahead of the AKM-74/2, AKM-74/2u or Viper 5? Or that the Eliminator and the Predator aren't visibly better than the sawed-off or the hunting shotgun?

You can definitely complete the game with an AKM-74/2, but why wouldn't you choose to have fun with an obviously better assault rifle when they are readily available?

[naive hollow]

They're not better

Just different

It's all a matter of playstyle

[pale nebula]

They 100% are better. You have to be joking to say otherwise.

[naive hollow]

I regularly use an IL-86

[pale nebula]

Yes, that one is decent if you keep it repaired.

[naive hollow]

Finally, someone who shares my unpopular opinion

[pale nebula]

In Pripyat Underpass, would you use a sawed-off or a hunting shotgun instead of the Eliminator or the Predator, if they are all the same and it'll all just a matter of playstyle? Or during the Evacuation, an AKM-74/2u or Viper 5/Frasier are enough?

[naive hollow]

No, like I said, the SGI-5k is your best bet for the Pripyat-1 Run

[pale nebula]

So some are better, then. 🙂

[granite jungle]

It can be situational

[pale nebula]

Yeah, like in X-8, where a fully upgraded AKM-74/2u can rip through the mutants in those enclosed spaces with its rate of fire. Other than that...

[naive hollow]

No, due to the different playstyles, some weapons are better suited for different situations

For example, using an SVDm-2 in the infested tunnels beneath the Cement Factory is a bad idea

[granite jungle]

I've never been a sniper rifle player in any of the games but they have their uses still

[naive hollow]

Can recommend

Or, if that's too dedicated, I can suggest running either an IL 86 or a GP37

Tide's a good in-between

[granite jungle]

I do like the GP37

[graceful horizon]

Swing and a miss on the IL86

[pale nebula]

I wasn't talking about different weapon classes and their uses. Assault rifles are your jack of all trades master of none kind of weapons and they will be fine in most cases. Shotguns are unparalleled in taking out mutants or even heavily armored stalkers at close range, with slugs, and everyone knows what snipers are for. Regarding snipers, you can't really say which sniper is better overall out of the SVDm-2, SVUmk-2 or the Vintar, because all of them have their pros and cons, depending on range, number of targets, whether or not you want to be silent etc. The same way, it's difficult to say which assault rifle is the best out of the Strelok's SGI-5k, GP-37, FT-200M, Thunder S14 and/or Storm, but you can 100% say they these 4/5 are better overall than the rest of the assault rifles in the game. We are talking about the same class and this is simply a fact. Now, about the AKM-74/2u or the Viper 5/Frasier, with proper upgrades, you can turn them into very deadly cqc weapons. They will excel in that field, but will still be outclassed by the rest of the automatic weapons overall. You simply can't say an AKM-74/2 or an IL-86 might be better than a GP-37, for example, because it just isn't true. If you personally like them better, that's perfectly fine, but, objectively, they are undoubtedly inferior to the Strelok's SGI-5k/GP-37/FT-200M/Thunder S14/Storm lot.

CQC automatic weapons:
#📸┃trilogy-screenshots message

[naive hollow]

But what if I do say that's the case? Each weapon has their unique playstyle and there's not a particular weapon that just outshines all the weapons in everything. How about you go and complete the entire game with any weapon you consider to be trash and then we'll talk again?

[modest anvil]

What is a good starter artifact?

[misty mesa]

Maybe something that absorbs radiation like Jellyfish/Wrenched

[sly cedar]

Depends, SoC, CS or CoP?

[pale nebula]

No, thanks! I choose to have fun, not subject myself to useless pain. But how about you do it, with a PMm and a sawed-off shotgun from start to finish?

[naive hollow]

Your loss bro

I can't help it you can't see that each weapon has their own playstyle

[pale nebula]

Low-budget trolling.

[naive hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-heart-of-chernobyl-сталкер-сталкер-2-stalker-stalker-2-gif-4942242057245832811

[pale nebula]

You're only proving my point. Heart of Chornobyl is a low-budget troll for veterans of the series. 😄

[naive hollow]

True

And, being the veteran that I am, I am aware that almost all weapons in CoP have their purpose

Can't say the same thing about HoC

No gear balance whatsoever

[tawdry cargo]

Yeah HoC needs balanced armour pen and obtaining armours slower

[pale nebula]

On that we can agree. Well known and powerhouses like the GP-37 got shafted in Heart of Chornobyl. It became a mid-tier weapon, at best. In Call of Pripyat, with proper upgrades, almost any gun can carry you through the game.

[naive hollow]

See? So we do agree

[pale nebula]

I'm still not going to do a PMm and sawed-off shotgun run, that's for sure.

[tawdry cargo]

Ngl Skifs makarov is better than the G-36

[naive hollow]

Fair enough, the trick about that loadout is the amount of space you'll have in your inventory due to the low weight of the weapons

Doesn't mean it's a great combination, tho

[tawdry cargo]

1 based thing about HoC gear tho is that you can use the Sunrise suit start to finish and it's good. If you're feeling underpowered just get more artefacts

Like, rad isn't a problem

[pale nebula]

In Heart of Chornobyl, it's hilarious and ridiculous how many submachineguns have more power and damage than assault rifles like the GP-37, Thunder S14 or SA Avalanche, even at range.

They only end-game worthy assault rifles are the Kharod and the Dnipro.

[tawdry cargo]

Honestly the Vector is wayy too good

[pale nebula]

Let it be good in close quarters, with good damage and fire rate, like the Viper 5/Frasier in Call of Pripyat, but not everywhere else, even across the map...

The Saiga, though, they really nailed that one.

[tawdry cargo]

Yeah

[pale nebula]

It's a shame they went completely bananas with the economy and gear degradation. Kill a couple of bloodsuckers, a pack of blind dogs and one or two boars and the Saiga's durability is already down by more than 10 percent.

[granite jungle]

eh that has not really been the case for several patches now. durability doesn't feel like it matters a ton now

[hushed mason]

Which game do I start with lore wise?

[primal basalt]

i'd say shadow of chernobyl

[graceful horizon]

Shadow of Chornobyl -> Clear Sky -> Call of Prypiat. Release order

[hushed mason]

thanks

[dense oxide]

Any final preparations before going into the labs in SoC? My only is worry is I missed out on a RPG because I was carrying to much and when I came back to grab it the guy disappeared

[graceful horizon]

Which lab?

[granite jungle]

For the most part just be reasonably stocked on ammo, bandages, and medkits. Some anti rad too

[graceful horizon]

Count on not finding much 5.56 ammo, so better to carry a 5.45 gun + a shotgun

[trail ice]

happy releaseday, SoC!

[torpid rapids]

Omg we can legally marry SoC

gets down on one knee
Strelok’s Norwood III hairline, will you marry me?

[sly cedar]

That was my first thought

[flat venture]

cant believe SHOC can now drink in my country

[graceful horizon]

the Shadow of Chornobyl can legally vote

[late condor]

shadow of chornobyl is only a year old, shadow of chernobyl is 18 tho!

(obviously a joke but even devs used the original spelling in the announcement)

I kinda wish they used a different name for console CS too so that you could argue those are the names of console releases specifically xd

[sly cedar]

We can now date and marry SoC! We'll also make it pay all the taxes

[dense axle]

What is the creature on the cover of SoC lmao

I still have no idea, is it a zombie or what?

A stalker that hasn't moisturized his face in a while?

[graceful horizon]

At was you, the player, all along

[late condor]

nothing

this pic was not made by the devs, it was the creation of the publisher

so whatever it was it was just inspired by the game, think the idea was that it's personification of the zone or something

[dense axle]

Classic publisher shenanigans

[late condor]

devs did not like it so it was not used in eastern europe

[dense axle]

Yeah I wouldn't like it either

Just put a snork or something

Or no mutant like the alternative cover

Well OG cover

That cover actually looks really cool

lmao clear sky cover also has nothing to do with the game

Every version of COP looks hard asf

[late condor]

well cs has scar

[dense axle]

The alternative cover for it I mean

Some mysterious claw anomaly, generators in the background, random unknown characters

[late condor]

I think that’s just promo art

It has not really been used as a cover, and there is far weirder stalker art out there

[summer elbow]

isn't LotZ basically that distinction?

[late condor]

it is yeah but with soc and cop there are unique names applying to individual rereleases

[spice rain]

hello guys i have a big problem because i am a stupid shit. In short: i looked through my stalker soc saves, saw a lot of saves i dont need, deleted them and run into radiactivity and have ofc nothing to get rid of it and i am constanly dying. Does anyone know a command like god mode so can search for a vodka or sm?

[granite jungle]

Not sure if it exists in vanilla at all but you can try g_god 1. If that doesn't work your best bet is editing actor.ltx though I don't know if even that will help with rads

[spice rain]

thx i will i hate myself for this so much

[spice rain]

maybe i can install a mod for god mode?

[granite jungle]

there may be one out there, idk one off the top of my head though

[summer elbow]

dumb question but did you delete the saves from the recycling bin too? lol

[low jolt]

hey dumb question. so i bought the standard version and i want to upgrade is there another way of paying instead of paying $80 lol. like if i paid 60 i should pay 20 to upgrade

[graceful horizon]

Not yet, also wrong channel

[low jolt]

yeah i was looking for the channel to put this on actually and gave up lol

would you tell me for next time

[graceful horizon]

#⭐┃nospoilers_general , or #☢┃stalker-general for spoiler talk

[low jolt]

ahhh okay thanks

[low jolt]

should i delete this and put on there or its fine

[graceful horizon]

Nah it's fine

[grizzled rock]

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[heady dune]

wth is going on with the wolfing

[dense sapphire]

A lot of scam bots out today

[dense oxide]

So is the military still at the bandit base after you escape in SoC? I've done a few missions since then and there's some supplies I wanna get that's still there

[granite jungle]

I wanna say they mostly leave after you exit the area and complete the quest but you may find stragglers around or something? I typically don't return to dark valley much after x-18

[trail ice]

is there ANY way to navigate the stalker menu with a keyboard?

[spice rain]

Wait there is a recycling bin?

[main nimbus]

Did anyone witness a bug in Stalker: Clear sky where the game was stuck on "Client: Synchronizing"? Is there a fix to this? Lost a little game progress because of it.I have SRP downloaded btw.

[fluid rune]

In Stalker CS if i join Freedom or other Factions can i leave after some time or how's it works?

[tawdry cargo]

You can still join others as long as you're not hostile

[fluid rune]

Thank you Polski

[summer elbow]

did you try to load a vanilla save?

[graceful horizon]

If you joined freedom and didn't kill too many dutiers you can even hop to the loners and join duty from there

[fluid rune]

Thank you too

And one last question
How many stalkers (or mutants) do I need in stalker CS to kill to get a higher rank?
I read on reddit that I get "exp" for killing and making missions, but I don't know how much stuff I need to do or kill to get a higher rank.

[summer elbow]

@late condor

[late condor]

Rank doesn't matter, it's just a visual thingamajig in your stats.

It doesn't affect anything gameplay-wise for you.

It does affect accuracy for npcs a bit but you dont notice it 90% of the casse

[late condor]

this sounds like a corrupted save, if you have the mod open a github issue

[late condor]

you can't leave, becoming factionless again, but you can join other factions

[fluid rune]

I thought if I had a higher rank I could hire lone stalkers etc (i read on reddit)

[late condor]

that's incorrect, player rank affects nothing in cs and there's no such mechanic

there aren't lone stalkers in the game in general, they're all in squads xd

there are a few scripted ones but it's more unique characters

[fluid rune]

I feel dumb now xd

[main nimbus]

It's really bizarre. The game was running fine for 15 hours but then this bug came along. Really forced me to save more often now.

[paper pivot]

Is there no humans to shoot in call of pripyat? I'm neutral with the bandits. The only ones that shoot me on sight are the monolithians. Isn't there anyone to start a firefight exept monolithians? It's pretty boring

[main nimbus]

Actually yes, the Agroprom saves were broken but the saves before that were fine.

[eternal iris]

well you can shoot dutiers, not much different from dogs though 💅

yeah CoP is more about killing mutants and an occasional monolithian

[late condor]

There are very little firefights in CoP yes, you can start your own by shooting neutral stalkers tho, no rep loss

[graceful horizon]

Monolithians and zombified stalkers

And most merc, but those aren't t hat common outside of prypiat

[sullen minnow]

I liked to raid that one bandit camp whenever I felt bored

The one with Shishak

[trail ice]

Bizzare you say?

[main nimbus]

My bad, it's an "anomaly"

[main nimbus]

Is it really worth opening this issue? There hasn't been a new post since november 2024.

[late condor]

that's not long, mods take longer breaks lol, yeah absoluetly open an issue

[main nimbus]

How can I report this issue? I don't see any error logs popping up whem this bug happened.

So far the only solution was loading previous saves and hoping the next saves don't get corrupted.

[daring oxide]

Can I attach a suppressor on the gp37 in Call of Pripyat?

[granite jungle]

seems like no. wiki has a list of compatible weapons

however the GP37 is goated so it is worth using it anyway

[paper pivot]

I don't think so. You freedom? Take a hike

[eternal iris]

but 'tis true...

[paper pivot]

Nah

Freedom suck as s

[eternal iris]

freedom's literally the only morally correct choice in the zone 💅💅

[paper pivot]

Nah that's what you think

[eternal iris]

yeah, and it's correct

[paper pivot]

It's not

[eternal iris]

it is... 💅💅💅

[paper pivot]

Another one blinded from the truths of the zone

[obsidian willow]

Found the bloodsucker nest in CoP and my gorilla brain went into overdrive

Knifed em all lmao

[graceful horizon]

It's what S2 Degtyarev would do

[hushed mason]

anyone got a good mod list for soc?

[late condor]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications

[daring oxide]

My gaming PC arrived yesterday. So, I'm finishing COP vanilla on my Xbox, and hands done this is my favorite of the OG trilogy. Especially, with A-life. I get to see and experience what the community complains about what S2 doesn't have. But, I also get to see how exaggerated they claim og alife was at the same time.

[late condor]

Have a replay of vanilla trilogy on PC sometime. It has multiplayer, no censorship and less issues in general, not to mention the HUGE modding community. Do note that it lacks gamepad support and can only be played with keyboard though.

[granite jungle]

Yeah definitely. I'm impressed they got the games onto consoles at all, but the PC versions are definitely the better ones.

[daring oxide]

@late condor ill replay the og's on PC much later down the road. I wanna try Gamma and EFP after I'm done with vanilla COP. I also wanna try modded Stalker 2 soon, too.

[whole geyser]

Fuck Gamma and efp 🤢 bro there's a million better mod then those two pieces of slop

People go from the peak of the trilogy in the most western pile of slop imaginable

[tawdry cargo]

Modified OWA would be peak but I don't feel like it lol

[whole geyser]

Forgotten zone, owa, cotz, teamlite, legends return for freeplay all better then gamma and efp

Also road to the north

[granite jungle]

I would recommend something like Incubator if you liked CoP. Takes place on the CoP Pripyat map mainly which didn't really get enough use in the original game

[dense sapphire]

At least EFP doesn’t even try to hide that they’re just an SPT mod on the X-Ray engine

[dense oxide]

So I finished SoC and am on to CS and with the start I keep getting killed by groups of bandits and I'm confused because are the CS dudes supposed to being following me around helping me clear areas?

[summer elbow]

Only when they are going to capture a point or in random encounters with the enemy.. and when they're saying that they're waiting for your signal, there's an actual key you need to press. Check controls for "issue/give order" (i forgot what it's called in english localization) key.

[dense oxide]

Thank you

[late condor]

You’re supposed to follow them, not the other way around

[graceful horizon]

^best advice to get the faction wars to work semi-properly

[high plover]

Hi, am new here. I wanna ask about the Brightness/Gamma flickering issue, where should I ask/post?

[primal basalt]

it seems that this is related to S2 - if so you may use #❔┃seeking-for-advice or submit a report with the link in the Pin message of that channel

[high plover]

Thanks, posted there.

[grizzled rock]

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[torpid rapids]

I'm on Xbox One and I want to know if purchasing the games one by one standalone for 20 bucks each is worth it. It's my only real option for now, but I'd like to know if the standalone versions have mod support. Can you guys help me out?

[dense sapphire]

Can Xbox players buy them one at a time? (I’m only on PC so idk)

[obsidian willow]

Yes you can, they’re about twenty each

[glacial oyster]

I'd rather play them on any available potato PC. Console ports have new bugs and don't support real mods because adding new assets/messing with scripts and configs is prohibited
See for yourself https://mod.io/g/stalker-cop

[grizzled rock]

zhazardl has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[graceful horizon]

BANCAKED

[late condor]

Console ports kinda suck

If you have the option, get them on PC

[obsidian willow]

Enjoying my runs through CS and CoP, trying to save up for a Bulat in CS while in CoP I’m rolling in cash lmao

Trying to get a fat chunk of hours into the trilogy both cause I enjoy them so far (SoC I got to just sit down and burn through in the future) and so I can just see a hint of where the series came from

[primal garnet]

Awww, too bad cop spoils soc

[graceful horizon]

Ikr

[main nimbus]

Guys, am I losing my mind or is the gunplay in clear sky just so bad compared to Shadow of Chernobyl?

[dense sapphire]

it's because the weapons were rebalanced for the upgrade system in CS that was cut from SoC

[main nimbus]

But even with upgrades the 4/10 of my bullets still miss. Does the gunplay improve in Call of Pripyat?

[dense sapphire]

Yes, the weapons are a bit more accurate in CoP than in CS but upgrades are still pretty essential

I wouldn't say that they're SoC levels, but certainly better than CS

[main nimbus]

Got it

Do you think the Clear sky armor fully upgraded can last me up until endgame in CS? Or should I just max out of rads and meds instead? Also no spoilers please 🙂

[dense sapphire]

Uhhh it'll get you a decent way, but I believe there is a better CS suit you can get at some point in the main quest as a reward (without spoiling anything)

[main nimbus]

does it offer more than 2 artifact containers?

[dense sapphire]

I think it starts out with 1 but can upgrade with 2 more so it'll have 3

[main nimbus]

ahhh it's those types of armors.

[dense sapphire]

it's a decent suit overall, but late game like the CS-3a it will start to suffer

[granite jungle]

Eventually you'll be able to find better things but it can last a while

[dense sapphire]

yeah the CS-1 is one of the best suits from the early to mid game iirc

[main nimbus]

welp, time to kill bandits over and over again in Agroprom to save up cash for upgrades.

[graceful horizon]

Some swear by the CS-1 as best suit in the game, I disagree but it's still up there

[whole geyser]

SEVA goated imo

[graceful horizon]

Agreed

I always carry one. Either as allround suit with the combat upgrades or as dedicated anomaly-suit next a freedom exoskeleton

Favouring the latter option

[eternal iris]

yup

[whole geyser]

no

[granite jungle]

SEVA is my usual go-to. Last playthrough I took a Bulat into the endgame, and while the 2 artifact slots was very painful, the insanely high bullet resist did make things a lot less painful in all the firefights

[graceful horizon]

Yeah, the winning move on higher difficulties is to not get hit. And 5 artifact slots is the biggest gamechanger

[main nimbus]

How much is the SEVA suit again? Plus how much bullet resistance does it have?

[graceful horizon]

15 to 40 if memory serves? Please correct me if i'm wrong

[granite jungle]

15% bulletproof cap on it in CS according to the wiki, at least base stats. One thing is only the bandit tech can fully upgrade it

[main nimbus]

But I didn't join the bandits but Duty instead.

Which mechanic can upgrade the SEVA suit?

[granite jungle]

limpid

[main nimbus]

Can Duty not upgrade the SEVA suit?

[graceful horizon]

Not fully at least

[granite jungle]

Yeah. There's 3 upgrades only limpid can install once you give him the corresponding flash drives

[main nimbus]

Sad, too bad I exterminated the bandits in the Garbage 😦

[graceful horizon]

They had it coming

[main nimbus]

They pissed me off in my first game, it had to happen.

[graceful horizon]

I'm guessing you didn't gather the flash drives for them?

[main nimbus]

Nope

[charred prism]

unattentive

[granite jungle]

kind of an easy mistake to make your first playthrough but yeah it's to your advantage to stay neutral with factions for a little while at least

[main nimbus]

Yeah, I was roleplaying a little bit in my current game (aka being friends with Clear Sky, Loners, and Duty).

[graceful horizon]

I can't really blame anyone for curbstomping the bandits

They make such nice and squishy targets

[main nimbus]

Yeah, plus selling their weapons gave me a lot of money.

[grizzled rock]

oleksandr9065 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

lysqy123 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[late condor]

@pale nebula no testing yet, but I asked another guy and apparently the way it worked in CS was per-squad only through sim_combat script that was removed in CoP, which confirms the suspicion that NPCs don't fight in a-life. That being said, they can most likely still move AND die from emissions.

[pale nebula]

And from wandering mutants.

[late condor]

That I still doubt, combat simulation would be either on for both NPCs and mutants or off for both.

[pale nebula]

At least Shishak couldn't have died from an emission. His body is inside the Container Warehouse.

[autumn steppe]

imagine if we all transported to a alternate universe where Oblivion Lost came out and had all the guns we love from stalker. but with the rest of it being oblivion lost?

would that be great

[late condor]

As in actual oblivion lost (the futuristic aztec robot game) or stalker: oblivion lost?

[kindred agate]

probably the stalker oblivion lost

[late condor]

S:OL coming out could mean a lot of different things, the game concept in 2002 is radically different from 2004, basically two different games

[autumn steppe]

a little bit of both

[kindred agate]

idk if olr is the exact same as oblivion lost but I tried to play it and struggled so much with the food in the beginning I stopped playing

[autumn steppe]

olr is fan fiction slop

[kindred agate]

is there any way to play the real ol?

[whole geyser]

look on moddb

[autumn steppe]

nah the real ol was lost like its name suggests

[grizzled rock]

surdno has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[autumn steppe]

there is no recreation of the 2002 alien futuristic serious sam game

[late condor]

They mean the game, not the crappy mod

[kindred agate]

I literally had to crawl around cordon while getting shot by military which I cant kill like wtf

[late condor]

OLR is a very crude reimagination of concepts from very different dev periods, the game would never come out in the way OLR paints it

It’s build inspired, not a faithful recreation

[late condor]

You can play the builds, they are available on archive.org and hidden palace

[kindred agate]

ah ok I feel like that makes sense bc theres no way they would make the beginning so annoyingly hard

[kindred agate]

I tried installing build 1935 I think it was and that was pretty confusing bc there was no instructions

game ended up not running

[late condor]

That kind of happens

It’s very hardware and OS dependant

Some builds run, others don’t

[eternal iris]

olr 3.0 takes like every concept across the 2002-2005 development and slaps it together
it's weird and inconsistent, there are whole scenes re-enacted word-for-word from the literary script without even trying to add on them or correct them in any way

it's also the best shit ever

[granite jungle]

That's the kind of unhinged energy that makes mods fun and surprising

[eternal iris]

every fringe concept from design documents gets restored, often in an extremely amateur fashion, and it ends up being quite unique and atmospheric

i've watched certain vandeleys play through the mod and complain about this, but honestly i couldn't care less for an "accurate" restoration project, especially when there's no single authoritative OL document. Any restoration efforts are bound to be fan re-imaginations one way or another, but so be it, as long as it gets across the vibe, and i think 3.0 does

anyway there's also a glaring issue of 3.0 being kinda a slog to play, i personally find it really engaging (until late midgame), that's a huge filter nonetheless
you just have to enjoy deciphering janky and amateur design i guess

[summer elbow]

just what in the hell are the rat dungeons though

[eternal iris]

BUT THEY'RE SO COOL!!!

even despite copy pasting warlabs 2 times

[summer elbow]

idk, matter of taste

I'd get sick of roaming there, the level is gigantic

[eternal iris]

half of it is inaccessible and somewhat empty actually, it's like a metro area under yantar and further to the north or smth

it's like, extremely amateur, warlab is LITERALLY copy pasted without any attempt to hide it, but still, it's fun

[granite jungle]

Is it really a proper mod if you don't copy paste warlab at least once

[eternal iris]

TRUEEEEE

[eternal iris]

i like the concept of labs and zone being connected with those tunnels, though cordon and bar entrances might be pushing it too far lore-wise

[whole geyser]

more mods should include the caves..

opeak..

[granite jungle]

Cave is kind of a bizarre specimen in stalker mod maps. Not the sort of environment that people try to make much. Everyone wants to make forests even though xray hates dense forests most of the time

I shouldn't say everyone but I have seen a weird number of them

[eternal iris]

i think videogames and raster graphics in general hate forests

[whole geyser]

Oh man..

Vietnam jungle maps in arma 3 can be crippling fps killers lol

[granite jungle]

It's true, foliage has always been pretty rough to render

[eternal iris]

and they never look gooooddddd
without AA it's a glittery mess and with AA it's a blurry mess!!! horrible

nevermind the actual like processing power required to render them

[summer elbow]

meh not really, just depends on the technology employed

plenty of game don't have any problems with it

Mestia in Squad is one of the woodiest maps in the game yet one of the most optimized for example

[eternal iris]

playing KCD1 right now and like, trees/bushes/grass are the deciding factor in how many fps you get

[summer elbow]

what game?..

[eternal iris]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance 1

[summer elbow]

oh

[eternal iris]

it's cryengine

[summer elbow]

interesting

[late condor]

not really, devs just kind of suck

i've seen a dude, technical artist, render millions of grass blades with a GTX 1660, obviously you'd need to downscale it to something like 10 years back but none of it is new technology or something possible only on newer hardware

gpu instancing been a thing for decades

[raven crow]

Can someone explain what’s the main differences between Anomaly and A.R.E.A.?

[summer elbow]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications

ask there

[raven crow]

Ok

[flint crane]

Hi Stalker. Is Proboi Story a good SoC mod?

[graceful horizon]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications

[eternal iris]

it's old as fuсk

[flint crane]

For you, best mod is?

[eternal iris]

esoteric and weird or normal?
normal would be OLR 2.5, esoteric would be OP 2.2, weird would be OLR 3.0

[whole geyser]

bask in the depths of op2 and become reborn..

[flint crane]

For Shadow of Chernobyl?

[gleaming cargo]

Hi guys can someone help me with a place im stuck at in Clear sky. I just spoke to forester and i now need to go to the army warehouses or the outpost commander. But all exits from Foresters hut are covered by tons of Duty that are firing on sight and destroying me. Im completely stuck

theres 10 duty at both the army warehouse road and the small fence gate back into the forest idk what to do i feel soft locked...

Ive tried for the last hour to somehow either sneak around one of the groups or try and kill them all to get past but my VSS takes around 4 bullets to the head to kill a singular one not to mention the innaccuracy... Its impossible

[late condor]

that's not the worst you've seen lol, you can try running past them if you absolutely cant fight for shit, though it's totally possible

usual strategy in all stalker trilogy games is save after each kill and then eventually you will get them all dealt with

[mighty imp]

just beat vanilla (zrp) shadow of chernobyl what an amazing experience. just started clear sky (srp) and i must say the aiming isn't as terrible as people claim? i just cleared the swamps of bandits w/ pistol mainly and i was still popping off headshots from around corners w/o iron sights.......started on veteran but upped it to master like my SoC playthrough so we'll see if it's harder but so far i think i'm gonna love the hell out of clear sky. faction war is interesting stuff.....

[late condor]

ZRP is more vanilla+ it changes many elements of gameplay and lore, many non-optional.

SRP is closer to vanilla but still not quite, it has quite a few changes that violate dev intentions

[pine vale]

man i've started playing SoC again this time just with ZRP on master and oh boy, been stuck in agroprom institute for a whole damn day now lol

[late condor]

I’d recommend to play the games at least once as is before going for reclamation projects ngl

[pine vale]

i did , though the first time like literally the first time was with complete 1.5

never tried ZRP wihtout complete , so far just with ZRP it's nice

[mighty imp]

i hear that, i also don't feel cheated at all with the reclaimation projects. i don't really have time with my busy life to deal with insane amount of bugs

[mighty imp]

honestly, hardest part of the game for me, idk if some people go guns blazing

[late condor]

That’s even worse

[pine vale]

yeah, someone told me it was the best way to play it lmao, then i checked what it did

[mighty imp]

i had to sneak and it took me many tries, i finally had to fight my way the last bit and run like mad haha

[late condor]

Eh it’s not insane, Reddit is overselling how buggy the games are, I’ve been playing them out of the box for years just fine

[pine vale]

but is it just me or does the game sometimes freezes for a little? like when im going to bar for the first time

[late condor]

It’s mostly funny Bethesda-style bugs, literal softlocks and crashes are very rare to non-existent

[pine vale]

i can't remember for the life of me if it was like that last time i played it

[mighty imp]

interesting. i'm very curious about clear sky, i see people online saying how bad the guns are, but then i see them trying to iron sight full auto from medium distance

out in the open, not moving so enemies who call out they are throwing grenades throw them at them and they die

idk, maybe i found the "right" people who kind of showed me how to play these games, but so far i haven't had a problem with the guns. maybe the starting pistol and shotgun are better and the later early guns suck way worse but my soc playstyle is translating very well to cs....

[pine vale]

i like the cs weapons aswell tbh

i like clear sky as a whole too, idk why it's the least liked, althoough that intro was kinda meh but overall it's nice

[mighty imp]

i wonder if people come from metro or tarkov and don't realize they need to have more of an "elder scrolls morrowind" mindset about how the guns work, like old school rpg-like. they think they are super soldier not some weak low level merc lol

anyway, we'll see i'm about to go to cordon in cs so my opinion is very new/weak right now. maybe srp does some behind the scenes things too. i didn't install the advanced balistics mod for srp either so i'm sure it makes it even easier

[pine vale]

or GAMMA( i was mostly a gamma enjoyer, not anymore) so yeah

[eternal iris]

personally because it got rid of all RPG elements, guns feel jankier compared to SoC too

[mighty imp]

see i'm glad i started with og trilogy before anomaly/gamma. videos of those games got me interested in stalker but i heeded the recommendations to play the og games first and i'm very very glad i did.

[pine vale]

true

[pine vale]

fair enough

[limber adder]

Hi
In clear sky i got quests from technicians

I have to find upgrades

But i dont know how and where

Can you help me pls?

[graceful horizon]

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Flash_Drive

[grizzled rock]

xjachu97xpl has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[civic gate]

pain in the you know where

i finished it vanilla, no mods at all

[naive hollow]

Chad

Did you also do the Holy Run?

[civic gate]

by that you mean getting blasted in Cordon ? nah i cheesed it tho

[naive hollow]

You went back to the Swamps and went to the Cordon from the North?

Sadge

Chad status has hereby been revoked

[mighty imp]

i'm gonna try to run my ass off on master

eventually i may lower difficulty or mod the gunner to be what it should have been in srp

but keeping "vanilla" gunplay for now just to see if it's as bad as everyoen says or if people tried to CoD it instead of SoC it.

[naive hollow]

Try going for a No Hit Holy Run

[pine vale]

lol i never knew you could do that, on my first playthrough took me 15 tries then i quit the game(for 3 days), gonna pick it up after im done with ShOC

[naive hollow]

Accept the challenge of the Holy Run instead, the way it's intended to be played

[pine vale]

isn't it impossible not to get hit?

[naive hollow]

No, I've done a No Hit Holy Run several times

[pine vale]

ah wow damn

rn im going in agroprom underground in SoC, got so much shit on me (shitton of ammo and meds), agroprom institute gonna hit hard

[naive hollow]

Speaking of, did you know you can stealth that section?

Like, grabbing the documents without even killing anyone

[pine vale]

nope, never tried actually

and knowing me prolly i cannot do it, we'll see now

Good thing i have 2 stone bloods on me , they stack right?

[naive hollow]

Like, I have made a super low effort guide for this to show how it's done. Red is your entrance route, blue is your escape route, the orange block are crates and the green dots are patrols

[pine vale]

ah okay, yea im gonna try that

[open copper]

i did some of it sneaky but got caught

[naive hollow]

You can always reload an earlier save and try again

[granite jungle]

Stealth in this series works in a very peculiar way but you can master it

[open copper]

fs ill probably try it again someday soon

[pine vale]

i just did it, semi stealth kinda

[autumn steppe]

should stalker be played with dark lighting

[vagrant warren]

Just finished shadow of chernobyl for the first time

[civic gate]

is Dead Air basically Clear Sky but worse or better

it popped up on my YouTube so i have no idea what is it

[vagrant warren]

I’m in the middle of a stalker 2 play through already. Should I move on to clear sky and then call of pripyat or should I just continue my stalker 2 play through?

[pine vale]

yo, should SoC freeze like this? i got a few second freezing in like rostok/army warehouses (replaying the games after a long while)

[charred prism]

Dead Air has nothing to do with Clear Sky

[pine vale]

nvm ive watched other playthroughs and yeah its normal

its like a 2-3 second freeze

[naive hollow]

Obviously worse, Clear Sky is PEAK STALKER

[sullen minnow]

You should get more guns

[civic gate]

good point

SoC was so irritating with constant crashes

[eternal iris]

Yes, it's just X-ray

[eternal iris]

Dead Air is a freeplay mod, a Call of Chernobyl fork

[pale nebula]

Out of curiosity, what upgrade path did you choose for the AC-96/2? Accuracy or rate of fire? Yar or Thunderov?

[karmic horizon]

Always accuracy. The other weapon I have that shoots the same ammo is for a faster rate of fire.

Limpid did the upgrade for me.

[pale nebula]

Indeed. The AKM-74/2U is a much better alternative for clearing out small rooms with fantastic rate of fire.

[pale nebula]

He did? I thought Limpid could only do tier 2 upgrades on the AC-96/2. Or were you referring to the AKM-74/2U?

[karmic horizon]

I'll see if I can dig up the screenshot.

[pale nebula]

Ah, no problem. It's not important.

[mighty imp]

i had to stealth in to where the documents are, then shoot my way to the documents, then sneak/shoot/run my way out lol

[pine vale]

I got the documents undetected but on the way out they got to me

[mighty imp]

run forest, run!!!!

i had to lower difficulty to novice, run past machine gun nest, then back up to master haha

no time to bang head against wall with that one

[naive hollow]

Ah dang, so close

It is definitely possible

[terse crypt]

does anyone know what the filename of the CS Combat phrase "Die you Nazi!" is?

[late condor]

It would be a loner one, probably human_01 about launching a grenade

[terse crypt]

found it
thanks bestie

[naive hollow]

Ah, the good ol' days when you could just use words like that to insult someone you didn't agree with

Though it's still the case over here

[jovial pawn]

hello

[late condor]

It’s a mistranslation fyi

[naive hollow]

Unfortunately, there's two types of canon

Three, I suppose

EN, UA and RU

Also congrats on Veteran

[obsidian willow]

Grabbed the Veles in the Swamps on Clear Sky, time to start farming artifacts

[late condor]

Deranged beyond salvation

[naive hollow]

Nuclear devices, Rubles being digital... What's more?

[late condor]

Those aren’t canon simpleton

[naive hollow]

EN Canon is just more flavorful

[late condor]

Outdated texts ain’t canon just like build remnants

You mix up digital rubles with s2 retcons btw

[naive hollow]

Nah, digital Rubles were a thing in CS. Now HoC claims that Coupons fixed some nonexistent problem because it's a digital currency instead of physical, despite Rubles already being stored and transferred by PDA

EN Canon, at least

The superior Canon

[late condor]

I am saying, that has nothing to do with localization differences

[grizzled rock]

surdno has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[late condor]

It’s a HoC retcon, not en canon bull stuff you’re making up

[naive hollow]

You're saying Rubles were also digital in the other localizations?

[late condor]

of course lol

man you really need to check out the localization comparison table

[pine vale]

just made a friend get into stalker, and she's playing ShoC . she has like 5 vipers and a dozen PMs lol, had to explain to her how much she can carry and now explain how to get her back to cordon lol

i just put a pic of her inv

[late condor]

that's standard for everyone's first experience

inventory management is a skill that's interchangeable between games

[pine vale]

she's loving the game, gifted her CoP and CS aswell, cant wait to hear her toughts about the other games too

[naive hollow]

Mfw I thought you told me it wasn't

Then yeah, that's just GSC's lore team messing up... Again

[dry raven]

will there be achievements for steam's stalker trilogy?

[granite jungle]

Eventually with whatever lotz release they do

[mighty imp]

ok question for clear sky players

i'm early in the game, cordon, going to garbage to do the main quests and then they send me to dark valley. they have bandits guarding all the entry points, and the weapons i have are so weak and inaccurate that i can't really fight 7 people alone right now.

was clear sky designed for you to really lean into the faction war aspect of the game and kind of use your factions to take over entire maps of the game to allow progress or am I just trying to advance the quest line too quickly?

i got that british weapon bc in SoC nato weapons were top tier, but this gun kinda sucks and jams literally all the time. it has a scope but the game is so wildly inaccurate that it doesn't even seem to matter haha

i feel like CS is harder than SoC, but not because it's harder but because the design is kind of rough which makes it harder.....

[misty mesa]

If you hang around Garbage long enough, there's a decent chance Freedom will secure the routes to the Dark Valley themselves. Similar to how the Loners can take care of the bandits guarding the entrances from the Cordon.

[mighty imp]

hmmmm

doesn't seem to be much in there, i already pissed off the bandit camp so they are insta-hostile. i guess i can just keep picking up side quests until i upgrade my gun enough to be able to actually shoot people. i beat SoC on master so i'm not a scrub but this little group of banditos are sniping me with grenades and i can't knock them out quick enough yet

[grizzled rock]

frggoge. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[misty mesa]

Yep, you've got the right idea. Invest in accuracy upgrades for one of your shooters and the headshots will start piling up

[mighty imp]

k, seems like this game is forcing the side quests by limiting your progression on main quest for a while

[late condor]

can't you just pay lol?

[late condor]

it doesn't limit you, people usually either pay, fight their way through or just run through the outpost, either works

[mighty imp]

pay? bandits shoot me on sight

[late condor]

how did you manage to ruin your relationship? they shouldn't do that, did you join loners?

you're not forced to participate in faction war, but if you choose to (by joining a faction or shooting someone who was neutral), yeah, you're going to have a hard time

[mighty imp]

yeah they asked me to help kill bandits and since in the first agme they were always hostile i figured i'd have to fight bandits always no matter what lol

but that's fine i like stalkers more anyway

[eternal iris]

it is harder, mainly because of bleed and shittу gunplay imo
faction war is there just for you to grind money and get some special rewards, yeagh

[mighty imp]

maybe i'll just stay stalker, clear garbage, then not get involved w/ duty and freedom

[eternal iris]

you can't involve with them until like late midgame anyway

god i hate CS

[mighty imp]

haha

SoC was definitely better right even from the get go

[naive hollow]

And your opinion still sucks

[eternal iris]

i love u too crimson

[naive hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/561153801114091521/1092159492021563473/ClearSkyMyBeloved.gif

[tawdry cargo]

Real

[late condor]

Dude you’re blaming good game design

Oh no the game doesn’t allow me to softlock myself by doing stupid shit too early

[eternal iris]

*sis

[late condor]

Sorry I’m transphobic as hell

[eternal iris]

i know, surdno

[eternal iris]

it wouldn't need to if it was designed better

[late condor]

Like what? Not allowing you to ever get hostile with a faction no matter how much genocide you commit like CoP handles it?

SoC’s approach with making all important characters neutral to you won’t work here

[eternal iris]

my main issue with FW is it being a linear thing with no narrative and minimal gameplay consequences

Not allowing you to ever get hostile with a faction
but like, that's the problem, you can't get into Duty/Freedom FW until you progress the mainquest, there's no flexibility

[late condor]

Well CoP’s approach would allow you to join but still keep everyone neutral I guess

That’s really the only way to go about making Freedom / Duty characters have any kind of influence in the story really

[eternal iris]

wdym

[late condor]

Not allowing the player to get hostile with them until time comes

In SoC you have to interact with the three characters that are pretty much always neutral, the rest can be killed for info with no repercussions

Can’t do the same trick twice if you want to involve other factions

[eternal iris]

i mean, wrong? look at any proper RPG, F:NV allows you to get hostile with literally anyone

SoC had the same idea, you could mostly kill anyone you want, even if it blocked you from accessing side quests

[late condor]

But that’s ultimately limiting you to only having main story progress through information that can be acquired on NPC’s death

Like aight you probably can kill Chekhov to find out where Fang went (even though that would be an empty and underwhelming skip of a few quests), with Krylov you pretty much have no other option other than cooperating

[eternal iris]

no, if you gamedesign around it
again, any rpg where you can murder people, usually there will be fallbacks and alternative routes to quests

[late condor]

Eh there were quite a few alternative routes for quests planned (not softlock related though) but they all got sidelined and eventually cut

Either way the way the game handles it is a cheap and effective way to prevent the player from screwing up their playthrough

It’s surely better than just leaving them join a faction

Explained in lore too!

Cause CS is peak writing and game design (for something made in slightly over a year)

[eternal iris]

my fundamental issue with CS is that it's not an RPG/imsim, SoC wasn't either, but it sure had all the groundwork laid out for it
it's structured like an extremely linear experience and i don't think it like, works for stalker

[late condor]

stalker’s non-lineal RPG elements come in the form of optional content that you’re free to engage in at any point in the story

[eternal iris]

yeah kinda, and CS has none

[late condor]

I do not see how SoC or CoP are less linear if we consider purely the storyline

[late condor]

Still more side quests than S2

[eternal iris]

idk haven't played 💅

[late condor]

Not missing out on anything really

[eternal iris]

it's not about the storyline really, more like the overall structure of the game
SoC's main quest doesn't lock you from anything except end-game content (DIDN'T until they made that bar entrance)

still, if you pretend that door isn't there (LIKE IT SHOULD'VE BEEN) you're literally free to do whatever you want, a, god forbid, proper open-world RPG experience

[late condor]

You are kinda free to roam up to Yantar in CS too yk? As soon as you are finished with the swamps

[eternal iris]

I mean, there isn't anything to do
No quests and Duty/Freedom FW is locked

[late condor]

Return item questlines are not bound to storyline progress

Neither is Yar’s quest for example

[eternal iris]

are return item """questlines""" fun or have anything to them though

[late condor]

Yeah they are

[eternal iris]

NO THEY AREN'T

[late condor]

Filled with lore too! Some even have additional scripts

[eternal iris]

even if you think so, proper quests (god, even just SoC quests) are miles better

[late condor]

Idk you really get same shit in CS

Flash drives, item retrieval, occasional capture and defend camp

That said you can do Orest’s, Yar’s and Shilov’s quests regardless of storyline too

But the truth is none of the games were designed for you to show a middle finger to the main quest and run away to explore the world

And it’s ok to open up areas and quests as the player progresses through the story

[eternal iris]

it's not by far, really, neither SoC nor CoP do anything exceptional in terms of quest-writing compared to other games, but fuuuuсk, SoC had ideas at least, there are actual fun sequences like with Skull's quest

[eternal iris]

that's my issue, they should have
SoC and CoP already do, somewhat

[eternal iris]

this aspect of SoC really suffered from all the cuts, even like early 2006 SoC had so much quest stuff compared to release

[granite jungle]

Some things never change

[eternal iris]

and as for CS and CoP, i just think that CoP succeeded in making a "short addon" more than CS did, mainly because they focused on questing and narrative

[summer elbow]

tldr what are you arguing about

i wanna argue too

[eternal iris]

my point - CS bad 'cause no RPG

[summer elbow]

where is RPG in Stalker other than some elements? (and the rocket launcher)

[eternal iris]

questing, freedom
basically my COMPLETE THEORY OF STALKER puts SoC as this failed imsim/RPG that nonetheless had all the groundwork for an insanely good narrative and gameplay experience, in my opinion best SoC elements came from its RPG mechanics and freedom

my issue with CS is that it got fuсking rid of all of that

no side-quests, mostly linear main quest, FW as not a complicated narrative-gameplay system but as a very boring gameplay-only system that doesn't even affect much

i think RPG is in stalker's DNA, if you want actual A-life and players having a sense of freedom you just need to go that way

[summer elbow]

ehhh as much as I love SoC, CS has far more when it comes to RPG...

[eternal iris]

i will literally kill you

[summer elbow]

the ability to join factions is just unbeatable in this argument

let's not forget what "RPG" stands for

[granite jungle]

I mean you can join them for like 1-2 hours and then it just stops mattering mostly

[eternal iris]

IT LITERALLY DOESN'T IMPACT ANYTHING
you can't even capture bases! it's intentional! it's a grindfest, there's no story or narrative or impacts of your choices oR ANYTHING!!!!

[summer elbow]

freeplay wise i prefer SoC over any other game, but as far as roleplaying goes, CS is superior because it allows you to be in a faction

there's just no going around it, no matter how janky the faction war gameplay itself is

[eternal iris]

when i say no side-quests i mean LITERALLY no side-quests, factions don't have side-quests, you join it, you shoot some bases, you get your gear, that's it, role-playing has to be expressed through something

[granite jungle]

Faction wars is just kinda... there. It doesn't tie into the main story in any way. If it did I think it would be way better

[summer elbow]

it's expressed through fighting for those factions... but like I said, there's no RPG in Stalker as such so it's kind of a dumb debate

[eternal iris]

no??? ur like essentially just fighting with different colors, since there's no narrative or consequences to it

[summer elbow]

refer to my last point then

[eternal iris]

as i said, roleplaying is in stalker's DNA

[summer elbow]

meh, same can be said about ancestral evolutionary DNA in humans

won't make them not humans

[eternal iris]

i will grok you

[summer elbow]

if you want Stalker to be RPG, you can play it out as such and kinda use your imagination but as far as elements go, the most are found in CoP of all games, lol, simply because of the sides you can take and the side quests therein, but it's still dull and minimal and the freeplay is kind of pointless in the end because everything can be done before the game is over.

[granite jungle]

I mean doing things before the game is over is how most games work, including RPGs

[summer elbow]

basically, but it's a jab at the freeplay they introduced (I am a CoP hater)

[granite jungle]

Either way mechanically they're shooters first but have a number of RPG elements, like equipment, stats, and upgrades in the later games. CS has the most linear story with the least amount of narrative-based side content so I would concur with the idea that it got rid of most of the RPG elements in terms of the story at least. You join a faction, kill some guys, then collect your rewards, but nothing really happens.

[eternal iris]

yeah and i consider CoP a structurally and otherwise better game than CS
and again, all the groundwork for questing and freedom was laid by SoC, there were cool quests even! but they got cut

like play F:NV and any immersive sim and then try saying that stalker wouldn't benefit from further developing its freedom and roleplaying elements

[summer elbow]

that's a completely different argument altogether though, a "What if?"

sure, I'll agree with you there, but I thought we were talking about what the game is, not what it could be

[eternal iris]

that's not a what if though, as i said, all this was in SoC and in its philosophy

[summer elbow]

🤔 okay, sure, the philosophy of progression and some elements of gameplay, like it's been stated before, but it doesn't play like an RPG, it doesn't feel like an RPG, it doesn't really allow for much role-playing besides choosing sides throughout the entire trilogy. What's the roleplaying aspect here?...

If RPG genre is in Stalker's philosophy, then it's like the percentage of African DNA in my Slavic ass

and not in terms of intent, but in terms of the final product we got - i know the history of development well enough to understand where you're coming from

[eternal iris]

have you played any imsim
like deus ex 2000 or smth

SoC very much does feel like an RPG, simply due to the fact it's an open world with quests, you're free to go anywhere and do anything from the start of the game

[summer elbow]

is vanilla Arma a roleplaying game then just because you have an open world and you're free to go anywhere and do anything from the start of the game?

[eternal iris]

does arma have quests and ways to express your roleplay?

[summer elbow]

it has objectives and you can approach them differently yes

not always, but it happens

that doesn't make it an RPG

[eternal iris]

i haven't played arma so i can't tell really
isn't it known for it's roleplay servers though

[summer elbow]

Well, it's mods. Wanna talk about Stalker mods?

💀 😉

Is GTA a role playing game?

Like San Andreas, let's say

[eternal iris]

haven't played, i have an impression of that series as lacking in player choice and freedom

[summer elbow]

it has an open world and side quests though

[eternal iris]

i think you can consider it as having rpg elements, mind you genres are very blurry, especially in interactive media

[summer elbow]

and here you have come to the point I was about to make

media shares elements across its genres and even though a deeper analysis renders those labels obscure and redundant, overall, from afar, you can distinguish punk rock and heavy metal, folk music and bluegrass, et cetera.

for someone even less familiar, it will be "angry music" and "country music", for example, so the importance here is not to try and fit a square peg into a triangular opening, but to recognise whence the inspiration came from

and how much of it in the end retains prominence in the final product

and just simply appreciate it for what it is

[eternal iris]

look, i consider stalker (soc) to fit very neatly in the category of immersive sims, and, by extension, rpgs
there are all the systems and prerequisites for it, from how inventory functions to the overall structure of the game, consider the very first conception of stalker as an open-world game with NPC simulation and player freedom, it just fits together, and, as i argue, can't even go separately
even disregarding the development, soc has elaborate questing, exploration, freedom and world design that when put together resemble something in the shape of a role-playing game

[summer elbow]

SoC does not have elaborate questing, it just has a lot of simple recurring quests. Bring an item/kill a target or multiple and then very few one-time deliveries or assassinations. That's it, really. The most "RPG" SoC gets is when you enter the Army Warehouses.

Elaborateness implies complexity, there's nothing complex about the SoC system of quests

Beyond the ability to scheme a little bit in the Skull vs Freedom stand-off

and the adjacent Bulldog-6 theft

[eternal iris]

yeah, because it GOT FUCKIGNGNGN CUTTT ALL GOT CUT
SoC is utterly broken and unfinished, it's defined by it, all those systems just stick out of the game, barely functioning if at all
i consider it failed, you don't need to know the development and all that shit to recognize how much was supposed to be here

STILL, even so, those systems are there, and every now and then you'll get a taste of how things were, when the game provides you with multiple solutions and choices

[summer elbow]

well, again, that's a different argument altogether... what's cut is cut. That's a different topic.

We can't lump that in with the final product

[grizzled rock]

zara_l12 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[eternal iris]

FUСk!!!

should i rewrite it

[summer elbow]

idk, how invested are you

[eternal iris]

like, start a new game and ignore Wolf, run straight to the Warehouses and get an overpowered gun, go help Kruglov and complete Bar side-quests, fight at the Arena and then do all the Freedom&Skull shit

is that not something you expect out of smth like Fallout? or Deus Ex??? or whatever???

[eternal iris]

yes, but the underlying systems were not cut or remade, it's just the content itself

[summer elbow]

ehhh sure, you can do that, but you can't ignore the fact that some quests just autocomplete when you simply switch levels

[eternal iris]

wdym

[summer elbow]

I mean literally what I said

[eternal iris]

what quests do you mean

[summer elbow]

there are a few, I can't exactly remember right now literally which ones

but the freedom to do stuff like you described comes at a price of major disillusionment essentially

[eternal iris]

?

[summer elbow]

immersion collapse

[eternal iris]

yes i know what you mean, in what ways though

[summer elbow]

it breaks the logic of the plot

[late condor]

Auto-disabling brain scorching by getting to Pripyat lol

[summer elbow]

yes, that's the most prominent one

[eternal iris]

oh yeah sure, like just from the fact that you have to use exploits to get to bar since a proper entrance was cut, but i'm talking about like, the systems, gamedesign

[summer elbow]

I know what you're trying to say, but for me it's like talking about how good the horse carriage is and not having any horses to pull it

trying to dissect the game in this manner loses a lot of meaning to me

again, we can talk about inspirations, what came from where, but it's not game design per se, it's more of a game happenstance

[eternal iris]

but no, i recognize that SoC is a failed RPG (and game, really, lul), that's the first thing i wrote
i'm supplying my argument that SoC is an RPG and has all those systems at all, since you stated it isn't

[summer elbow]

I think it's a great game, it just doesn't need to be what it isn't in our conversation - namely an RPG title

I might as well start arguing that Stalker is an arena-type shooter because of its Quake inspirations and other elements

[eternal iris]

but it's literally broken, because all the content got cut and now nothing interacts with each other :p
again, refer to that sequence i wrote out, it's extremely clear what kind of genre this fits into

[eternal iris]

i mean sure, stalker is also an FPS

[summer elbow]

it's broken to a degree, but as far as the game itself goes, it's playable to completion and almost all of its functions are completely adequate. It's easy to make your claim from the height of experience and knowledge, but when I was a kid and played it, none of it was obvious to me. Perhaps, some perspective could be obtained to my point if you also played a TechLand game called "Chrome" which shares a lot of similarities with Stalker in a way, and then say what you think of it in terms of its genre.

[summer elbow]

the use of "also" here is dubious, i think, for it is an FPS first and foremost

[eternal iris]

FPS just describes being able to shoot a gun from a first-person perspective, you can stack whatever genres you want ontop of that, that's literally what imsims are, RPG systems stacked ontop of other genres (i don't want to get into imsim theory)

[summer elbow]

I agree; in fact, your point very nicely underlines the main idea I had when I made the arena-type shooter comment.

That is, that it's pointless to try and extract a single genre from the game and slap it as a label for it

[eternal iris]

again, i'm talking about gamedesign

[summer elbow]

Stalker is Stalker, it is what it is. A daring experiment that left a legacy and inspired a bunch of other games and mods to follow in its steps, each taking something specific and improving on it.

[eternal iris]

you can say that stalker is stalker and nothing else is stalker, true, but there is design to all of this that can be described

[summer elbow]

I don't diagree with that

it can be described and analysed, and it's been done countless times by people who know what they are talking about and by people who don't

which is fine, everything takes from something else

in tandem, however, it's not an easy game to slap a label on.

Even the description of it that came straight from the devteam is long and awkward lol

"Post-industrial survival horror FPS with RPG elements" or something along these lines

[eternal iris]

but like, why not RPG then
i think i described enough to compare it to other games, i even brought up its philosophy and intent as daddy Prohorov said it
putting SoC into the category of RPGs doesn't just work, it actively helps to analyze the game and think of ways how it could be fixed and improved, something instrumental in making games and mods

[summer elbow]

because it's not an RPG

it's a shooter

[eternal iris]

those literally aren't even in the same plane

[summer elbow]

gather up all the most famous RPG games, starting with D&D, and Stalker isn't anywhere close to that bunch

idk what else to tell ya

[eternal iris]

it's RPG and an FPS simultaneously

[summer elbow]

🤷

[eternal iris]

like, add guns to morrowind, hell, design morrowind's gameplay around guns, does it stop being an rpg?

i'm no rpg theorist mind you, but this diversion from true D&D isometric CRPGs and bloobers is why imsims exist

[summer elbow]

Stalker doesn't have any diversity to interaction with NPCs based on the way you build your character. Fundamental RPG element is simply missing.

You can't even build your character in the game, you can only equip him

[eternal iris]

some would argue that that's the same thing

[summer elbow]

I don't think those people played a real RPG game then

[eternal iris]

is it fundamental though?

[summer elbow]

we're literally talking about role playing

of course it's fundamental

[eternal iris]

why can't you have your role-play expressed through, idk, quests and choices instead of numbers

[summer elbow]

and what choices does SoC offer? To complete or fail the quest?

[eternal iris]

again, i'm talking about the gamedesign, not the content present
though yes, sometimes SoC offers multiple choices or approaches

[summer elbow]

lol like i said, horse carriage without horses

i don't really understand anymore what you mean by "game design" though

[eternal iris]

AGAIN, I'M TALKING ABOUT GAMEDESIGN
A CAR WITHOUT AN ENGINE IS STILL A CAR

[summer elbow]

bit of a philosophical debate here what makes a car a car

I personally wouldn't look at a heap of plastic and metal out of which the main component has been extracted as a car

as a landmark perhaps, not as a device though

[eternal iris]

are those components car components or can be categorized as such?

[summer elbow]

we're back to the point about elements

reminds me of a stupid meme about the hotdog being a sandwhich or not

or a taco, whatever

[eternal iris]

i still insist, using RPG as a label is just fuсking useful here, approaching it as one is a useful framework of analysis

[summer elbow]

I think it's equally detrimental

see, the nuance here is subtle but important: using the RPG label vs saying that the game has RPG elements are two seemingly similar things, but there's a major rift between the two. The former suggests the RPG genre as the cornerstone of the game, the latter suggests that we broke that stone up, cut the pieces to shape, and built a Coliseum out of them.

[eternal iris]

but i do argue that RPG genre is a cornerstone of stalker's philosophy, or an inevitable result of it

[summer elbow]

It just can't be, the game didn't evolve as an RPG, it evolved out of a shooter.

and that's not something i'm assuming, it's a fact

[eternal iris]

AGAIN, THOSE EXIST ON DIFFERENT PLANES
FPS is a style of gameplay, roleplay is just an ability to roleplay

refer to my question about morrowind

[summer elbow]

Okay, but Stalker doesn't allow you to roleplay. You can't even choose the name for your character.

Let alone everything else I've mentioned that is missing that is fundamental to the RPG genre.

[eternal iris]

there's nothing fundamental to any genre except a defining characteristic, like the first person and guns in FPS

roleplay can be expressed in INSANE amounts of ways

[summer elbow]

In Stalker, the role is chosen for you, is all I'm saying. Again, it has elements common to RPG titles, but it by no means is an RPG game. It just gives you some tools that the RPG genre commonly employs for the sake of the player's freedom to be whoever they want to be.

Of course, even the RPG genre is limited to its setting and story that needs to be driven, but the whole idea is that they work around that. Stalker doesn't do so, it works around its very definitive plot throughout the whole trilogy.

[eternal iris]

if it has all the tools and functions like one what prevents us from just calling it an RPG
again, it's in the philosophy, in what the game tries to do
i can just compare SoC to Fallout, like directly, no hoops, how is it not an RPG

[summer elbow]

I feel like i've said enough on the matter and any further iterations of this conversation will lead me back to already established points

I don't disagree with you on a number of them, I disagree with you on some others.

But I'm happy we are both passionate enough about the game to discuss it like this 😉

I've noticed that in some of the most timeless pieces, a degree of ambiguity is present, regardless of where it's coming from. It's what keeps people engaged and talking about something, keeps it fresh in many ways, even if just in the minds.

Whether it be literature, film, music, video games -- doesn't matter

[eternal iris]

i'm losing the plot
anyway play immersive simulators, they're not only interesting design-wise but also like very good and fun to play
there are older ones like Deus Ex and System Shock that lean heavily into stats and D&D RPG mechanics, but newer ones like the Arcane games are mostly about gameplay and roleplay without stats, Dishonored, Prey, Dark Messiah

[eternal iris]

i think we just need to read actual art theory&philosophy, i heard those pesky french postmodernists have something to say about what makes a car a car

[summer elbow]

I feel like I lean back more towards Plato in this case

[eternal iris]

it's like that joke
a guy reads plato on the metro and someone asks him "are you an intellectual?"
he answers "no, not really"
"that's why you're reading plato"

[summer elbow]

Well, gotta start somewhere

That someone lacks wisdom 🙂

unless the joke here is that the "intellectual" here is just a dirty word

I need more context LOL

[summer elbow]

is it translated from another language? I re-read it in Russian in my head and all of a sudden it just made more sense lol

[eternal iris]

if you haven't noticed we're two russian speakers who were having an argument in english for the past 2 hours 💅

[summer elbow]

Frankly I forgot you're one

but yeah, now I totally get where it's coming from lol

[eternal iris]

i think the original joke is in english though

[summer elbow]

Possible, sounds like some of that good old British humour

[eternal iris]

anyway just to be rude the last thing i'll say is that "leaning" into any greek philosopher is larping, nighty niiiiteeee

[summer elbow]

🤔

lol.

goodnight

[dense axle]

First true thing you have ever said in your life

[digital rune]

Y’all some nerds fr 🤣

[whole geyser]

Anomaly detected opinion rejected

[summer elbow]

@eternal iris he's the guy from the metro lol

[mighty imp]

was doing a quest for freedom where i have to deliver ammo to an outpost, found the pda, came back and the guy i needed to give it to was in a warehouse w/ the doors closed and like 8 guys pushing against the door preventing me from getting in or opening the door. so frustrating even with SRP. got so annoyed i just added the "alternative balistics" mod, may even drop difficulty down to veteran and just try to finish the game. i think i'm with @eternal iris here, i can't really see the point of faction war. Like, if i was able to take over entire regions to make travel easier, that would even be a benefit, but garbage for example i help stalkers take the entry/outpost, then one to the left, then one to the right, then i get a quest "take out the depot" and not a single person is coming to help me. so i gotta kill everyone in this depot area, only during the time i'm doing it for bandits to take over all the other points i had already captured (bc the ai is glitched and doesn't fight back so bandits can shotgun them in the face without consequence) and the quest i'm doing is cancelled while i'm doing it. what a frustrating unfun mechanism this is......i took pride in beating SoC on master, but i just wanna finish main story of clear sky and move on and that's a shame......

[granite jungle]

This is the AI they took from us

[mighty imp]

if they were gonna go with faction war they should have gone all in with it. you join a faction and that's it you take them to the end game. this half-assed faction war where you take bases but not really and it never ends with no reward is just an odd decision.....rolling up to the farmhouse w/ freedom goons while skull thinks i'm on his side w/ the grenade launcher i was supposed to give the duty leader was a fun experience and i can see why they wanted to expand on this in CS but they fumbled the ball.

[late condor]

wdym no reward? you get pretty heavy rewards for capturing bases

often unique stuff that is very hard to find anywhere else

[naive hollow]

SRP moment, I guess

Vanilla on top

[late condor]

shouldn't be affected

Based on:

but not really and it never ends
I think they never were able to capture the base and thought that it's intended lol

[naive hollow]

Ssshhh, let him take the bait

But still, Vanilla on top

[mighty imp]

i don't understand what you are trying to say, but what i mean is that i expend a lot of resources trying to take a control point that the ai is not helping me with.

it's an un-fun mechanic so far, maybe it gets better later

[late condor]

You are expected to go with the squads, not the other way around. There are very good rewards for finishing faction wars.

[graceful horizon]

If you have trouble having the loners capture the depot you might try one of the solutions in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFwme_K7hC0

Not sure any of it works with SRP though

[mighty imp]

i'll need to look at this

the squads are just kinda standing around not doing anything i can't even get them to answer "can i help you?" to attack stuff

[eternal iris]

Yeah, FW is bugged even with SRP. Don't engage with it if you don't want to, it took me my sanity on my first playthroughs waiting like 3 hours for Freedom to NOT arrive at agroprom after i cleared out everything for them

With SRP i think i just waited for like 10 minutes until a squad would spawn and move, it's REALLY slow in offline

Also, if i'm not mistaken, without SRP the rewards for capturing bases get overwritten with one another, so you have to run back to the main base EACH TIME

[mighty imp]

even with srp you do

so clear an outpost in garbage? "come here to collect your reward"....in the cordon

[graceful horizon]

Hmm, I seem to remember it working better than vanilla in SRP, but that was a few years back so I might be misremembering

[mighty imp]

it's cool getting more intimiate with the factions and stuff, seeing them more up close and all, but we'll see i may dabble in FW when it's convenient but i'm not gonna just chill around for minutes/hours waiting for ai squads to show up so i can play the game i am too busy and gaming time too limited for that for me

[graceful horizon]

Clearing out everything is a classic mistake. You need to follow the squads, not expect them to follow your carnage

[mighty imp]

interesting hearing yalls response though, i need to just be patient if i want to participate in FW then

[eternal iris]

yes and this is idiotic

not even talking about the fact that Freedom can capture important points on Garbage making Faction War from Loners side impossible

[graceful horizon]

And vice versa

But if you're okay with collateral damage, you can get the FWs working pretty well

[torpid rapids]

The last of us 2 launched on pc. Let's hope tlou 1 and 2 pc ports will finally be full packages. For those who have them bought already of course.

[naive hollow]

Yes, basically

But if you do this a lot, you can get a ton of money, basically

[torpid rapids]

Looks like io interactive are more and more jerks with every moment it passes. For example, the latest real life celebrity that appeared in the last dlc of hitman woa was an evil guy since he did illegal stuff. This is the second time it happens. And just like the first guy, they will remove the dlc instead of making it free. So some people paid for the dlc will keep the dlc, others can't pay for it anymore in the future. I hate video game industry with every minute that it passes.

[mighty imp]

oh yeah that's why i just play the games that have stood the test of time

no reason playing modern AAA games, indies, AA, older classics are the way to go and with mods it's literally infinite gaming

[late condor]

They stack

You can come and collect later and it’ll be a reward from all the quests

[karmic horizon]

Generally you can only get a squad to leave one position to attack another, if there are two squad leaders (Clear Sky) If there is only one, they have a tendency to remain holding that position.

[summer elbow]

hey Tejas, long time

[karmic horizon]

Yeah, Elon Musk has been making things difficult for me this year. Still hanging in there.

[summer elbow]

I'm intrigued by the circumstance but I don't think I should pry

[late condor]

(the above does not apply if you play with SRP mod as it fully recodes faction war, squads leave the points unless those are resource points or points needed by FW progress)

[torpid rapids]

Modern aaa games can be good too if the companies and corporations aren't greedy

[late condor]

S2 is definitely not a good example in this area though

[torpid rapids]

If it didn't have addons(except free addons) then it would have been ok

[late condor]

Yeah I think the editions / pre-order bonuses are already a scammy AAA practice on its own but S2 also wanted to fit NFTs into the game until the community backlashed so hard people started cancelling preorders lol

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/S.T.A.L.K.E.R._Metaverse

[torpid rapids]

So many addons? Sad

[late condor]

Also:

we’re not going to cut any content to sell it in a pricier edition, those things wouldn’t be here in the first place if not for those editions
ends up cutting content to sell it in a pricier edition

Idk man the devs may be good people but I feel their work is ruined by whoever is doing the business and marketing decisions for GSC

[naive hollow]

True

[whole geyser]

To be fair atleast GSC listened to the fans about the NFTs and cancelled them can't blame companies for trying to cash in haha did you know ubisoft made NFT games after starwars outlaws? Despite no one wanting them

[sullen minnow]

I had completely forgotten about GSC's plans with NFTs

[whole geyser]

There was millions being made so can't blame them but glad they respected fans wishes

[granite jungle]

They lasted less than one day so fair to forget about it

[sullen minnow]

I remember being glad to see a big company back off of something that may have made them money, really tells us that they care

[whole geyser]

I agree it's rare to see that

[graceful horizon]

I think it was one of those rare things where we collectively told companies off on enough to get the message through

[grizzled rock]

psychxnxrmal has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[main nimbus]

Man I feel like I need to take a break from Stalker for a couple of weeks or a month after finishing Clear Sky. The frustration and softlocks that the game threw at me was enough to spiral me to insanity.

[eternal iris]

CoP is much more fun 💅

[main nimbus]

Do the AI grenade spam in CoP?

[eternal iris]

nope, there are barely any human fights infact

[main nimbus]

Okay much better

[grizzled rock]

mikkyts has been warned

Reason: Posted an invite

[timber narwhal]

hi people, does anyone know if there’s a way to enable HUD while playing master difficulty on gunslinger mod?

[terse crypt]

#🔩┃trilogy_modifications ...

[timber narwhal]

my bad

[terse crypt]

[naive hollow]

I mean... Not entirely

Check our super duper secret #moderators_en furry stash channel. We tried to warn them too, but they weren't too interested in listening to us

At least them fully confirming the whole NFT thing sent the entire community in an uproar and they cancelled the idea literally 10 minutes after the post lmao

[late condor]

yeah it's not listening to the fans, at a certain point when backlash is hard enough it becomes a financial decision to cancel it

if you want to know how they actually adressed fan concerns then check out the responses while NFTs were still a thing

it was mostly "you don't get it, it's actually good for you dummies"

[jaunty brook]

Hey, does anyone know how to get vsync/60hz working on SoC? Vanilla settings are broken, the Rivatuner FPS limiter still causes tearing, and trying to force vertical refresh or freesync through AMD Adrenalin does nothing. While downgrading to the pre-1.0007 beta fixes vsync, it replaced all the files from the Unofficial Patch 1.0008, which I use to fix the bugged mouse sensitivity in menus. I guess I could also phrase this question as "how can I fix the bugged mouse sensitivity in menus", and just stay on the beta. For what it's worth, I'm using ZRP as well.

[rigid frigate]

How do i get nimble to sell me something else i have reloaded my quick save manu times before placing an order snd sleeping snd every time i receive the modified vintar

[late condor]

You’re not downgrading, whatever 1.0008 is, it’s clearly not based on the changes of pre1.0007. But I don’t know of any engine work that fixes both issues.

[rigid frigate]

In call of pripyat sorry

[late condor]

It should be randomized, the exact weapon is selected only when you place an order, maybe bad RNG? It’s 1/3 chance every time, so getting it e.g. three times in a row is like 3%, maybe you’re unlucky.

[naive hollow]

Make a quick save before you order something, order what you want, sleep for 24 hours, return to Nimble. Wrong order? Reload save

[rigid frigate]

I was unlucky thank you i tried it 2 more times then i got it

[pale nebula]

Do you remember who actually made them abandon the NFT idea? They say they heard the fans, but that was just dust in their eyes. They talked to a few game studios and producers, who advised them not to continue with that. Ultimately, it was no one other than Randy Pitchford who finally changed their minds.

[charred prism]

Where did you hear this

[jaunty brook]

Update: fixed both issues by keeping 1.0008 to fix the mouse sensitivity in menus, and then using D3DOverrider to force the game to run at 60 FPS.
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/503-stalker-shadow-of-chernobyl-unofficial-patch-10008/
https://community.pcgamingwiki.com/files/file/84-d3doverrider/

[pale nebula]

It was on their twitter account, back in the day. The post is gone now, but...

https://www.ign.com/articles/stalker-2-nfts-response

https://www.pcgamer.com/stalker-2-nft-cancelled/

They didn't "hear" or "listen" to the players.

[charred prism]

Ok so found the tweet, what happened isn't that "GSC rethought their NFT project BC Randy told em it was a bad thing", he merely tweeted at them, anybody can do that

https://vx.com/DuvalMagic/status/1471612183444279296

[pale nebula]

I can't access the link. I remember people posting on steam forums about GSC talking with other producers, not just tweets, and Randy Pitchford was a major player in that online "meeting".

Regardless if it was Pitchford or not, it's clear GSC stopped the NFT not because they "heard" the players, but because they were advised by other studios or publishers to drop the idea.

[charred prism]

Why?

[pale nebula]

Sure, the player backlash was significant, but not enough the make them ultimately give up the NFTs. They were told it was a bad business and it will affect their sales. That's the catch.

[charred prism]

Also if the only source for Randy being pivotal on a behind the scenes meeting is vague memories of steam forums posters then I don't think you have any ground

[charred prism]

How was it not significant enuff to stop nfts?

[pale nebula]

I literally wrote the catch of the whole deal, but it seems to evade you.

[charred prism]

What you wrote is what you think happened which seems completely dumb, why do you believe there is a behind the door conspiracy? Why do you think GSC didn't stop NFTs due to backlash?
Do you have ANY idea of how severe the backlash was? Were you here when that happened? If you were you wouldn't be saying something so assanine

Complete and pure speculation to try and paint GSC in a bad light retroactively when you don't even need to get all looney to do that in the first place
It's pretty weird to try and rewrite history to this

[pale nebula]

I was on the Steam forums, where the scandal was incredibly intense. Maybe I didn't get my point across. The backlash from the playerbase started the whole ordeal, but they renounced the idea because it would affect sales, things that were pointed to them by other studios and producers, including Pitchford. Ultimately, they did it because it didn't benefit them, not because they cared about the players. You only need to look at the state of the game after almost 5 months to see how much they care about the ones who bought the game.

[charred prism]

Like I said it is insanely dumb to try and rewrite the whole story like this when the entire community, not just a small secular group, but the gaming community, even outside stalker, was bashing, ridiculing and boycotting them, so you're telling me that your entire discord, even to your moderator's, are making fun of you, the entirety of every website including Reddit, journalists and steam forums, both inside the stalker and outside the stalker spaces, becoming a wide known fiasco, and GSC didn't "care" until randy and a few companies brought it up? And that they couldn't see for themselves?

I mean
I am assuming you have a ridicule thing

[pale nebula]

Again, do you really think they dropped the NFTs because it made players mad or because it would actually affect the game sales? I'm assuming you reply randomly for the sake of picking a fight.

[charred prism]

Next time try telling me the earth is flat
It's more believable

[pale nebula]

You are naive. Just like the flat earthers. 🙂 Or are you a GSC representative now, since you are a mod, and can't actually tell what's on your mind? Sure, they cared about the players and did that for the greater good. The state of the game completely proves that.

[eternal iris]

because it made players mad
or because it would affect the game sales

Waow i wonder if those two things are connected somehow

almost like it was a huge PR hit in both RU/UA and EN communities.... almost like someone exposed the company they were collabing with as a scam and the drama escaped the inner community.... hmmmmmm........

[charred prism]

absolutely schizophrenic, if you start talking about GSC gangstalking you next, dont tell me I didnt warn you

[pale nebula]

So they absolutely care about the players, then, like the good guys they are? 🙂

[eternal iris]

who the fuсk is talking about them being "good guys" 😭

ur like saying that it was randy "gearbox" pitchford who made them change their mind, but like, no, it was a wider push from the community and outside it, a PR hit in other words

[pale nebula]

That's what I was trying to say. That their tweet about them hearing the players and understanding nfts don't belong in a Stalker game was just for publicity, because they had to consult with other studios BEFORE pulling the plug on the NFT fiasco. Do you understand now?

[eternal iris]

wdym consulted, randy TWEETED at them 😭 😭

[earnest raptor]

the more I play stalker the more I realise how badly the ai in these games have aged, they're so bad, gets even worse in mods

its the one thing keeping me from coming back tbh

[grizzled rock]

_yander has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[pale nebula]

They are rocket scientists compared to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2, though.

[earnest raptor]

I would trash talk gsc for releasing a cyberpunk like product but I don't want to get crucified lmao

I will forever be dissapointed with gsc, I'm glad they're fixing the game but really there is a lot that should have been finished on release

[granite jungle]

It really is 18 years ago all over again

[dense oxide]

Are there ways to fix the gun play in CS? I heard people mention mods but I forgot the name of them. CoP isn't like this is it?

[tawdry cargo]

Gun play in CS is fine, just upgrade your weapons

Ig the AN-94s muzzle velocity is shіtty, takes a bit to hit the target from longer distances

[whole geyser]

trilogy is way better then IWP or stalker 2 lol

cant diss the trilogy when you're playing slop like iwp 💀

[granite jungle]

I guess I'll say it's generally of its time but it's alright.

[whole geyser]

its deff not bad and tbh the ai in teamlite for example is awesome

they will use smoke grenades for cover and corner camp you

its great ai but people assume all stalker mods are just tacticool gunporn like iwp, gamma, or efp lol

[granite jungle]

At a baseline NPCs at least have like, line of sight, hearing, they're able to search for you based on where they think you are. In CS and CoP they can flush you out with grenades.

[whole geyser]

fr its pretty decent ai all things considered esp compared to shit like skyrim and fallout 4

"musta been the wind"

all my people dead? huh who did it ahh ai lol

im not even gonna mention modern ubi ai lol

[granite jungle]

I'm not gonna pretend they are particularly smart but they check off the boxes for what you'd expect from 2007-2010 for the most part

[earnest raptor]

so you're basically saying my opinion on games I have played for years is invalidated because I'm playing a mod I'm enjoying currently you should talk to people for a change

only reason I'm playing IWP is because it has the COTZ addon for quests and mechanics :>

cue the incoming argument

[whole geyser]

shitting on stalker yet playing slop and claiming you cant return is what im calling out lol who said this was gonna be an argument? just pointing out the irony of it all

[earnest raptor]

I'm not shitting on stalker at all? you do really you are coming off as quite defensive over a opinion I have lol

you are literally just saying I cannot have an opinion because I'm playing IWP 💀

[eternal iris]

what do u find issue with 💅

[earnest raptor]

If I feel there is an issue with a product I am using I am going to vocalise it

[earnest raptor]

the ai gets a little quirky
sometimes they decide to stand in an open field and pretend they're the main character

nah but I have had more situations in later stalker games where the ai really needs help

like how are you getting stuck on a piece of concrete

I might be coping because I played fear again recently and I'm like damn, a games ai can be really good without suffering from age

I'm mainly playing IWP + COTZ because I feel like it plus it's a nice change from usual gamma or anomaly slop :>

[eternal iris]

i mean i agree stalker's ai is janky afffff!!!

i think i just personally don't care about how realistic or buggy it is

[earnest raptor]

I know, just puts me off when I am attempting to immerse myself lol

In terms of stalker games I do feel that COP is the worst considering I do extremely little gunfighting outside of scripted events

[eternal iris]

i will do things to you ❤️

[earnest raptor]

try shooting a neutral bandit without 10 miles of the skadovsk and watch what happens

[earnest raptor]

I would not mind

[eternal iris]

gaaaayyy

[earnest raptor]

correct, I am :3

now then, I am mainly playing IWP because I've been interested in it for a while, mainly the IWP COTZ addon :>, I like call of the zone and I like some realism so I got it, although the ai is even more janky I can tolerate it lol

[eternal iris]

ive been wanting to download gamma actually.......

[earnest raptor]

the slop has taken her

[whole geyser]

i mean i started with gamma..

[naive hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-zealot-pain-gif-25557240

[earnest raptor]

have you restored your humanity yet?

[eternal iris]

i just wanna analyse it!!!! maybe its fun on a gameplay level and purists were lying to me all this time......

[earnest raptor]

she will be forced to play 150gb of extremely fragile slop that will break if a single mod gets removed

[whole geyser]

i did lol now im playing op2.2 and moving on to story mods

[whole geyser]

i mean its worth a try imo

[earnest raptor]

[naive hollow]

Purists never, ever lie

They're too NPC-like for that

[earnest raptor]

fair nuff, give it a go and see what you like and dislike :>

just remember to call grok "daddy" or the mods will get mad

[whole geyser]

i came off confrontational early looking back i was kind of an ass and im sorry for that

@earnest raptor

also do NOT critize grok on his server or you may get banned

[eternal iris]

ewwwwwwww!!!!!

[earnest raptor]

It's alright lol, I figured something like this would happen when I post something negative about the trilogy on the official stalker server

[earnest raptor]

I'm already banned so I'm free to shit talk as I god damn please

[whole geyser]

if only the trilogy was as good as gamma..

[whole geyser]

based as hell lol

[earnest raptor]

Grok I don't really have a problem with personally, just his moderators I have issue with lmao

[whole geyser]

i get it tbh

they muted me for like a week for calling someone stupid and something was retarded

[earnest raptor]

I shot a zombified stalker and that made monolith angry so they crashed my game

[whole geyser]

💀

[naive hollow]

Erm excuse me, what the Grok?!

[earnest raptor]

alright let me find the gamma copy paste

[whole geyser]

you weren't supposed to see that..

[naive hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/797180495963357224/872807753649885194/modonline.gif

[whole geyser]

people say batman has no powers but does shit like this

[earnest raptor]

oh I found some god damn gold lmao

check #🤨┃stalker_memes

[earnest raptor]

he's just quirky like that

[whole geyser]

that was good post

[naive hollow]

Because Batman: The Dark Knight Returns is PEAK Batman and literally the birth of what Batman is today

[whole geyser]

that fight went hard as hell

[naive hollow]

Peak

[earnest raptor]

damn, he do be dark

[naive hollow]

Wait, let's move to #💬┃en_offtop