pc-specs

[tropic bobcat]

I'm not saying there is any, but thats a great unit. if you want to upgrade I'd do it soon as VRAM is getting scarce.

We're heading into another gpu shortage.

[azure ore]

One thing i forgot to mention is that im on pcie 3.0

[tawny thicket]

using FSR on an RTX 40 series card is.. colourfull

[azure ore]

What would you use dlss dlaa?

[tawny thicket]

DLSS ofc

i think that balance is about right for this game there, though i would argue for other games the 7800 x3d is overkill for the 4070

[pastel summit]

the DLSS screen artifacting bug is still around though, might want to steer clear on that until GSC fixes it

[azure ore]

Would you recommend dlaa

[pastel summit]

same issue with DLAA sadly.

[coarse linden]

Have not encountered such myself

[azure ore]

So fsr?

Or does that have negative side effects

[pastel summit]

not a problem with that or any other upscaling method

[azure ore]

As in which method has the least artifacts and the lowest input lag

[pastel summit]

research it yourself, idk lol

[tropic bobcat]

Can confirm FSR4 Native AA does not have this issue. FSR3.1 native AA shouldn't either.

[azure ore]

Is input lag better on fsr 3.1 compared to dlss

[tropic bobcat]

I don't notice a difference but I use a command line to fix input lag for this game.

[azure ore]

Is it this?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1643320/discussions/0/4626980689722537208/

[tropic bobcat]

no

r.OneFrameThreadLag=0

I do use that too though ^

I use both, that second one just goes into the engine.ini rather then input.ini.

[tawny thicket]

you have a 7900 XTX, you cant know that

[tropic bobcat]

What?

What does that have to do with input lag...?

[tawny thicket]

DLSS FG will have less latency on an nvidia GPU than FSR FG will,
since with DL-FG youll get reflex

[tropic bobcat]

I also own several nvidia gpus by the way

[tawny thicket]

im dumb, forgive me

[tropic bobcat]

I'm so confused 😭

[tawny thicket]

i still dont know what that looks like
could it be the post process sharpening the game has ? sharpening really doesnt play well with DLSS 4..

[pastel summit]

#💬┃ua_offtop message

basically this.

[tawny thicket]

oh oh ohhhhhhhhhhhh 💀 👻

[azure ore]

Do you know why this happens?

[uneven portal]

I'm getting version 1.0 of Stalker 2 to check if the performance has really improved that much in recent months or if it's all copium

It cost more than I thought, I'll test it on a 1650, a 4070ti, a 4080, and a 1030.

[azure ore]

Thanks for your sacrifice

[uneven portal]

I'll use it for a video; no way am I going through this hell just out of curiosity.

They already don't provide an easy way to revert to a previous version of the game

[tender patrol]

Someone already done this: https://www.reddit.com/r/stalker/comments/1p3u29u/performance_comparison_of_100_161_and_170_ryzen/

[plucky quail]

He should have also tested the update before somewhat Alife introduction and ai improvements.

[plucky quail]

Do you have access to 1.4?

[barren mural]

Hey, sorry for the annoying topic, but anyone with a similar setup who can talk about performance? I am content with 72/60 FPS and don't need raytracing, but will I need DLSS with an 7800x3D, 32GB DDR5-6000 and 4070Ti in 1440p? I'm on the verge of clicking the buy button 😬

[tender patrol]

You can download any previous version you want via depot_download in steam console.

[uneven portal]

yea

i have to all why?

You need to use Depot Downloader + Steam DB information and start everything through the command prompt; from there you can download any version.

I'm downloading version 1.0.1 now.

[plucky quail]

Test before alife. Cuz I expect it to be the most performing point. Since then we lost performance.

[tender patrol]

You will be fine. Look benchmarks few messages above on 9950X3D + Radeon 7800XT

[plucky quail]

For stalker?

[barren mural]

Stalker 2 yea

[uneven portal]

Yes, but at the same time many graphical changes were also made. I prefer to compare the performance between 1.0 and 1.7 and check if the AI/performance improvements really did improve as they should have.

[plucky quail]

There are many great benchmarks. I would say 7800x3d is a good start and 6000mhz.
But the GPU you would need to check. I can't really say what is good for 78 FPS rn. I can check for a benchmark that was made in 1.6 of stalker 2

[plucky quail]

Are you going to test GPU only or CPU too?

[uneven portal]

mainly GPU but I will also save information about the CPU

I'll use MSI Afterburner along with GPU-Z.

[barren mural]

I'll just give it a go, I forgot I can just refund it in the first 2 hours, assuming the first 2 hours don't take place in a tiny bunker that runs at 200 FPS either way 😅

[zenith heart]

can i run stalker 2 on rtx 2070 super and i7 9700

[tropic bobcat]

9700 is going to be a bit rough.

[upbeat tusk]

you can easily play 1440 High native with that. Im on a 6700xt/3800x and im playing High 1440 with TSR set to 80 and i get 50-70fps

[upbeat tusk]

1080p Low/Medium with Upscaling + Frame gen might get u 30fps

[azure ore]

Im on a 144hz monitor so i try and get as close to 144 as possible

[upbeat tusk]

itll look liek a blurry mess. im on 144hz too 144hz is 1440

[azure ore]

I use medium textures, effects, shadows

[upbeat tusk]

if u set the resolution to 1440 and use the TSR and set it to 80 thats 1080p upscaled to 1440 ull get 90 - 100 atleast

aint no way a 4070 is getting 144fps on this game at 1080p id be shocked

my friend has a 3090 and he gets 80fps at 1440 High...idk if hes using upscaling i ddint ask him. prob is tho. I am and hes only 20fps ahead of me.

[azure ore]

I have been able to reach 120 in some areas

According to the steam overlay fps counter

[upbeat tusk]

at 1080? or 1440?

[tender patrol]

I would rather get shot than play at 30 FPS with frame gen

[upbeat tusk]

ugh i know

60 is the new 30. conosole people are like 8 years behind. alot of ppl on console are experiacing 60fps for the first time in their lives. where pc has had it for how long?

i saw my first 60fps game on a pc at best buy it was the witcher 3 maxed out. I was playing witcher 3 at the time on xbone with over 700hrs multiple playthroughs, and i just unintalled i never played it again for 2 years til i got a new pc (currntly had a pentium 4 dell 2.4ghzAPU 32GB HDD), once i saw 60fps i realized that videogame trailers and marketing is always on a maxed out PC and not a console unles it was like a Ps2 game or something old old.

[tender patrol]

144 is new 60)
Nevertheless 30 real FPS could be somewhat bearable but 30 with FG means input lag will be super crazy

[crisp latch]

hey guys, is there any option on the nvidia control panel that help to increase performance on the game? like some kind of specific trick? i'm trying to get some extra fps

[tawny thicket]

probably not

[tawny thicket]

it wont be that bad.

[azure ore]

Is the 5070 ti faster than the 4070 without ai

[tawny thicket]

obviously, a lot more cores, more VRAM, bandwidth, etc

5070 TI is roughly the same perf as a 4080

[late ferry]

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺 🐺

[real kraken]

Almost no pc can do 144 with all these Ray tracing and path tracing technology in raster

[tender patrol]

There is an easy fix: dont turn on RT

[real kraken]

And when max out, achieve even 100 FPS in very high demanding games is very difficule

144 is not the new standare...only in CS2 or Overwatch but 60 is still the standars today

[lament rampart]

1080p 144hz, 11th gen I7, rtx3070 laptop
anyone know how i can get more performance ?

[plucky quail]

Try it out

[lament rampart]

try what out

[plucky quail]

the game performance

[lament rampart]

i get abt 30-35 fps on medium

[plucky quail]

THen thats the most you going to get. If all the stuff is updated

[lament rampart]

sheesh

[tawny thicket]

should be better

slap on some upscaling and FG i'd say

(if you havent already)

[lament rampart]

whats fg ?

[nimble nexus]

Frame Gen

[lament rampart]

it says i cant use dlss

[tropic bobcat]

FSR.

[lament rampart]

and if I use fsr, my sights stop working

[tropic bobcat]

You can’t use DLSS FG on a 30-series.

[tropic bobcat]

Time for Optiscaler then.

[lament rampart]

what's that ?

[tropic bobcat]

https://github.com/optiscaler/OptiScaler

I’d recommend getting 0.9.0-Pre5 from their discord for your use case though.

You can use it for frame generation a lot better then the one from GitHub.

@tawny thicket Knows more about it then I do.

[tawny thicket]

the one on github doesnt have XeFG though..

[tropic bobcat]

That’s why I suggested getting the one from their discord lol.

It’s a lot better in other ways too anyway.

Otherwise if FSR in-game isn’t working for them they’re cooked.

[lament rampart]

i see

[lament rampart]

where do I find their discord ?

[tropic bobcat]

GitHub link towards the top.

[plucky quail]

I think his vram is also not enough if he going to fg

[tropic bobcat]

Potentially.

[lament rampart]

thanks

[tropic bobcat]

Absolutely, they have a ton of information and support channels if you need help. The download is under the Opti-Test-Builds channels.

Nukem's dlssg-to-fsr3 is what I’d recommend for you though I don’t use it myself I believe it’s geared towards 30-series users.

[lament rampart]

thanks :3

[thorny remnant]

Damn stalker 2 with fsr 4 is actually pretty

[lament rampart]

do your holo sights work

[thorny remnant]

Are we talking all sights or just certain sights?

[lament rampart]

mainly the holographic and collimators

[thorny remnant]

What do you mean by working
I have only used the g36 and Sniper scopes so far

[lament rampart]

the recticles get really uhhh

all over the place >_>

[thorny remnant]

Not for me
Works without issues

[lament rampart]

<w>

[tawny thicket]

thats from FG not upscaling

[thorny remnant]

Oh

I get 50 fps currently without framegen

[vestal vortex]

How well can an rtx 5070 8gb with 64 gb of ram run stalker 2?

[past escarp]

what resolution? 1080 - good. 1440p bad

[vestal vortex]

1080p

[past escarp]

should be fien with 5070. but i wonder where did you find 5070 8g?

[vestal vortex]

I wanna upgrade my laptop. I currently have an asus tuf with an rtx 3060 6gb and 32 gb of ram.

I mostly run stalker 2 on med to low settings with textures on high.

[nimble nexus]

AMD has their version of FG with FSR.

[lament rampart]

I dont have an amd tho

[nimble nexus]

Okay.

But you asked what FG was, and now you know.

Frame Gen

[nimble nexus]

Sounds like a plan.

[vestal vortex]

I also want to upgrade for grounded 2.

[nimble nexus]

Grounded 2?

[vestal vortex]

It's a survival game based on honey I shrunk the kids.

[tropic bobcat]

5070 Mobile is 8GB VRAM.

[pastel summit]

I really hate Jensen for pinching VRAM on laptop GPUs so hard ngl

maybe we should be thankful that 5050 isn't using 6 GB still /s

[tropic bobcat]

He’s a little jerk for that.

The performance is also worse compared to the desktop counterpart.

[tawny thicket]

you can use AMDs FG even on Nvidia.

[tawny thicket]

just better margins for them
them peasants (us) be damned

[plucky quail]

I love that this gen is not even reaching the lower desktop class under their respective name.
5070s ain't even 5060 desktops.

[nimble nexus]

No wonder I knew nothing about it.

[nimble nexus]

That's nScamia for you.

[lament rampart]

Oh

[oak whale]

How much different (in terms of speed) is between RTX 4060 laptop and 5060 laptop

Or what do you think about it

[pastel summit]

NotebookCheck is your friend
https://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-RTX-4060-vs-GeForce-RTX-5060-Laptop_11593_12924.247598.0.html

and I would recommend neither for S2 unless your budget doesn't permit for a better option.

[fervent solstice]

Hello, I've already bought stalker 2 and in my computer i have rtx4090 with 24 gb vram, but I'm getting errors that my grapic card has not enought vram

do you know how can i solve this problem?

[oak whale]

Uh huh! I have got RTX 4060 laptop so

[plucky quail]

CPU pls

When does it happen

[fervent solstice]

I9-13900 during first run game tries to render something and on begining of that I'm getting an error about that my graphic memory is not enough but have rtx 4090 with 24 go vram so I think it's more than enough

[plucky quail]

You are desktop user right? Is it just a 13900 or does it also have a K or F behind it?

@nimble nexus @tropic bobcat @past escarp @tender patrol @tawny thicket

Come look at this 😂

Intel at it's finest.

[tawny thicket]

oh hell no

need userbenchbark to defend dem right now, there isnt enough cope left in the opti sclaer server
*** I NEED MOAR !!***

[tropic bobcat]

Look at what?

[tawny thicket]

another person with a dead rapta lake CPU..
TBH i dont think we should be raising such a comotion, poor guy asked for help..

[past escarp]

when did i become one of the guys that always sit in this channel wonder. anyways skill issue, should`ve bought at least rtx 6000

[tawny thicket]

have you updated your BIOS ?
if not try that, if it doesnt help then you'll have to get a replacement CPU from intel, yours is a fairly widespread issue effecting that generation of CPU's..

[plucky quail]

Ey If anyone can do that then it's me. BTW nothing against him but I think that's like another soul in short time that lost a rapta lake.

[plucky quail]

I am asking now just to confirm if it's a tray or not. That CPU should be fcked enough I think that you better off to send it back.

[tropic bobcat]

Oh. That sucks.

I was expecting a link or something.

[ornate pine]

Tf is this? Why is everything so pixelated in this game

I feel like I am playing terraria with some mods, not stalker

[fervent solstice]

Yes, right, it's desktop, it's i9-13900K

[tawny thicket]

just how pixelated is it ?
send a screenshot or something...

[ornate pine]

I can't send it in this channel for some reason (ill dm you)

[tawny thicket]

can send it in #📸┃screens_and_videos too...
anyway, basically: agressive upscaling and pre 5.5 lumen reflection denoiser sh"tting the bed on diffuse reflections

what settings are you on ?
and what GPU ?

[ornate pine]

Medium preset, RTX 3060 in pair with R5 5600G and 32GB ddr4 4x8

[ornate pine]

sorry, forgot about that channel

[tawny thicket]

what do you have set for upscaling/anti ailiasing ?

[ornate pine]

DLSS on quality

[tawny thicket]

probably cant do any better than that in that regard

could lower sharpening, to try and hide the artifacts a little better

[hollow kettle]

Amazon is delivering my power supply early today! And there is so much snow my boss closed down my work for the night. That means I AM BUILDING MY PC TONIGHT!!

[plucky quail]

So its a Boxed CPU?

You got it from Retail right?

[ornate pine]

Shame the game is still annoying 😭

[hollow kettle]

What do you guys think? This is my whole setup now
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3cgmnp

[fervent solstice]

Yes

[tawny thicket]

in any case to make the reflections less noisy, create and engine.ini file in the apropriate folder (i hope someone will tell ya)
then insert this into it and save it:
[SystemSettings]
r.Lumen.Reflections.SmoothBias=1

[tawny thicket]

i think im jealous : D lol

[ornate pine]

I already deleted the game

[tawny thicket]

oh lol

[hollow kettle]

I have been working so hard towards it

[ornate pine]

the game was annoying on 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 and now on 1.7 and I dont think it will be any better

[hollow kettle]

Everyday overtime for the past 5 months or so basically

[ornate pine]

I'll just stop trying atp, downloading it with every patch

[tawny thicket]

damn

hard work pays off ig

[tawny thicket]

why is 1.1 and 1.3 special ?

[ornate pine]

I just didn't try to play on them

[tawny thicket]

oh lol

[ornate pine]

Maybe it was good to play on them and they messed it up later, I guess I'll never know

[tawny thicket]

doubt

[plucky quail]

I would Call up intel and request a warranty swap. As long you got the CPU under warranty meaning 5 years you can change it out.
Do you got the box? Also did you ever update your bios?

[fervent solstice]

now i update to the latest version, i will try now

ok, now it's working, so i think old bios was a problem

[tropic bobcat]

Which one?

@compact yacht

[hollow kettle]

1050w Montech Century II

Or did you mean the pc build lol

[tropic bobcat]

Sure that too why not.

Century II’s are pretty good most of the time.

[hollow kettle]

This is what I have between my current setup and the one i am building tonight. Kinda upgrading/swapping case lol
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3cgmnp

i think it should turn out really nice

maybe one day I will look into a white cooler and ram, depending on how it looks when finished later

[tropic bobcat]

I have three of those TeamGroup MP44’s great drive and they’re TLC.

$290 is a little rough though.

[hollow kettle]

yeah i have it already installed xD

I got that one earlier this year. About 4 months ago or so

The only truly new parts are the case, 7800x3D, AIO and mobo

[tropic bobcat]

7800x3D here too, awesome chip.

I got my two 1440p 180hz for $320 at the time.

[plucky quail]

I think your CPU might be still cooked. I Would Benchmark it and exchange it. You didnt update your bios and 13-14th gen had a issue where they would kill them self really fast.

[fervent solstice]

how to benchmark it?

[plucky quail]

OCCT

[fervent solstice]

i've done 1hr benchmark and no errors detected on proc and ram

[hollow kettle]

Dang i was going to get my psu but with this snowstorm idk amazon shows "still arriving today" but the roads are pretty bad. Idk how an amazon truck could drive the country roads to my house in this weather tbh lol

Im tempted to just build it & use the psu from my current pc. Then I could just swap the new one in when it arrives. Cable rerouting would be a pain though

[nimble nexus]

Intel is appalling now.

[nimble nexus]

Glad to hear it.

Long may it last.

[coarse linden]

Part of the ship, part of the crew

[hollow kettle]

My fans are ramping up when I power off both my monitors while sitting idle at desktop

Soon as I turn monitor back on, fans slow back down

[coarse linden]

You sure its not windows indexing its bs

like it loves to start doing superfetch bs shenanigans when it senses pc being idle

As soon as you move mouse it stops lol

And starts again 10 sec later until its finished

[tropic bobcat]

Old PSU modular?

[azure ore]

Should i go with a 7900xtx or a 9070 xt?

[tawny thicket]

9070 XT.

[azure ore]

Why is it better in your opinion?

[tawny thicket]

better RT, FSR 4, probable future feature support

[azure ore]

I assume cheaper?

[tawny thicket]

also that

well, it SHOULD be cheaper anyway

[hollow kettle]

No 😅

[rapid beacon]

I am in a bit of a interesting situation
Would like to replace my 5 year old RX 5700XT for perhaps the Asrock RX 7700XT
But there is also the Asrock RX 9060XT as well
And then there is the Steam Machine coming too
Ahhhhhh

[plucky quail]

Steam machine going to be less performance than a 7600XT
No matter what it will be faster. Tho if you are interested in the package as a whole then wait.
If both GPUs are at the same price then buy the 9060XT 16gb

If it's only 8gb version then rather buy the 7700xt

[rapid beacon]

Damnit cant post Pictures here
Both the AsRock RX 9060 XT 16GB and AsRock RX 7700XT 12GB are similar prices between 380-450€

[plucky quail]

What is what. #📸┃screens_and_videos you can send

[past escarp]

9060xt duh

Its cheaper and probably better. At least it will have more technology with roughly the same performance

[rapid beacon]

Thats the concerning part
Its cheaper
a bit too good to be true

[past escarp]

If its from trusted source(aka shop) then you should go with obvoiulsy better choice

[plucky quail]

Auf jeden Fall 9060XT gleich schnell und mehr vram. +Du bekommst neue Tech

[rapid beacon]

[past escarp]

Ja ja sehr gut mein freund

[tropic bobcat]

9850x3D was just confirmed by AMD. Interesting.

[past escarp]

and whats the point of 9850x3d?

[plucky quail]

2X the Cache? ig

No just bit faster core

[tropic bobcat]

9800x3D consists of the badly binned chips, 9850x3D would be the “actual” chip.

This is common practice in this industry, it just doesn’t always happen.

[north dome]

Still DLSS bug graphics 😭

[tawny thicket]

huh

[tropic bobcat]

Hm?

[tawny thicket]

im just clueless as usuall

[tropic bobcat]

You’ve seen the 9850x3D?

It’s just a better binned 9800x3D, they’ve just been selling the “shitty” binned ones as 9800x3D’s.

[plucky quail]

Imagine just the power with those CPUs

[midnight maple]

a question guys is fsr 4 support in stalker 2 atm? because i upgrade my gpu to 9070xt

[past escarp]

yeah it is supported. quality is okay, i guess. BUT it should be turned on in adrenaline, which it is by default

[midnight maple]

ok thx

[thorny remnant]

I only have the Cheap int8 for my 7900xt but damn is fsr 4 Worth it
Apperently causes Input lag but still way better than framegen

And it fixes the taa blur

[tropic bobcat]

Supported but it looks like trash when it comes to foilage.

[pastel summit]

even on AMD? damn, and here I thought it's a Nvidia thing only

[tropic bobcat]

Yes.

[plucky quail]

Both upscaler can't cope with stalker pixel mess

[pastel summit]

idk, DLSS is quite good to me on 4K. not perfect definitely but a hell of a lot better than FSR

[past escarp]

dlss3>fsr3.1, dlss=fsr4. at least they are pretty close now. also in 4k upscalers do better, cause the resolution that they scale from is significantly better

[pastel summit]

guess I need to update S2's FSR to FSR 4 then.

oh, nvm it's exclusive to RDNA4 oof.

[past escarp]

yeah

[pastel summit]

just checked and S2's XeSS DLL is horribly outdated too, updating that to the latest version works on my 3080

so far it seems pretty decent in game

actually nevermind, that damn flashing screen issue came back.

[real kraken]

Hope they will update all these upscaling with unreal engine upgrade

Also FSR 3.1.4 so

[tawny thicket]

it is but thanks to broken model selection quality mode looks like crap, FSR 2.2 levels of shimmer.
you need optiscaler for it, to force the correct model

[tawny thicket]

XeSS's upscaler was not improved since 1.3
and this game doesnt have XeFG

[tawny thicket]

upscaling doesnt cause input lag

also doesnt really fix TAA blur thanks to the way it does disoclusion (i think)
only DLSS Tea can do that (for the most part)

[thorny remnant]

What do you have?

[rapid beacon]

Is it normal that the RX 9060 XT (16gb) is below 400€??

[pastel summit]

EVGA 3080 12GB FTW3

so yeah, FSR looks pretty mid to me

[plucky quail]

Yes MSRP in Germany is 370€

[plucky quail]

Maybe 4K doesn't have it. Some people say it Shimmers

[rapid beacon]

I did compare the both (Even Asrock versions) of the 9060XT and 7700XT and the 90s series does seem to be better both efficency and price, but why do some people complain about them? Like the price?

[plucky quail]

People complaining about the price?

[rapid beacon]

For some reason on some site yes, giving it a 1.0 star rating, idfk why.
However I also compared my Sappphire Pulse RX 5700XT 8gb with the 9060XT from Asrock with 16gb
Weird how mine is somewhat powerful in some aspects

Well I did now decide to go for the 9060xt
Just when to get it?
Black Friday sale dont seem to affect GPU like the 9060 XT

[tawny thicket]

probably as soon as possible, you wouldnt want the RAM shennanigans effecting its price..

[rapid beacon]

Actually good idea
Thanks for reminder

[plucky quail]

Just watch trusted YT benchmarks and make up your mind that way. Also get the stuff from trusted seller. Mindfactory or galaxus. Amazon does also work but only if Amazon itself is selling it. That way you are save. Reviews of casual people don't really work and give little information.

[rapid beacon]

I decided for the Sapphire Pulse RX 9060XT 16gb
However I am unsure where to order for DHL as I really really want to avoid having FedEx delivery.
Any site suggestions or should check out mindfactory?

[plucky quail]

Internet benchmarks are only recommended PCHG and techpowerup.

[plucky quail]

Can't you choose? I know that Mindfactory can be choosen to have DHL

[rapid beacon]

I can,I just never ordered a GPU before
Got my pc 5 years ago, new and custom build, but never worked on mine since last year.

[thorny remnant]

So the int8 hack does not work?

[rapid beacon]

Yesterday i updated my bios too
5 damn years (check #📸┃screens_and_videos )

[thorny remnant]

Bios is a perfect example of never change a running system

Unless there is a clear reason
Like switching from Ryzen 1600 to 5600 on a b350 motherboard

[rapid beacon]

Yea I never bothered, neither did I knew you had to update it sometime.
And my current gpu needs a upgrade as its getting old and underpowered
I did do however a AiO cooler swap for my Ryzen 7 5800X too.
Soo stuff works.
However ill also have to transfer over to Linux next year as im fed up of Microsoft

[pastel summit]

wait what, that int8 hack works on Nvidia as well? I thought it only worked on RDNA all this time LMFAO

thanks for telling me...gotta try that. oh and continue your thread

[rapid beacon]

I also got a MSI MPG X570 as my main motherboard

[thorny remnant]

I dont know
But i think it did support other Gpus as Well

[plucky quail]

Order from galaxus or Mindfactory what ever is cheaper for you.

[rapid beacon]

Thanks for all the info and help on perspective

[tawny thicket]

it does, if you do it anyway..
int8 isnt official, the offical version does only support RDNA 4.

[tawny thicket]

it does work
just runs slower than competing AMD cards would run it

[thorny remnant]

I cant get my hands on the fp8 version i would be very interested in trying
Allegedly the rdna 3 and 4 can just use the fp16 Pipeline to run fp8 not fast but works(allegedly)

[tawny thicket]

RDNA 3 can run fp8 emulation through fp16 (i mean using fp16 compute for fp8 instructions) on linux
on windows the int8 build of FSR 4 is required for anything other than RDNA 4

IDK if RDNA 4 also needs that emulation for linux or not tho

[thorny remnant]

RDNA 3 can run fp8 emulation through fp16 on linux
yea but if i try to find out how all i get is
¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tawny thicket]

you should be able to find videos on it

[thorny remnant]

Nope only int8 Videos

[tawny thicket]

okay nevermind
search algos these days smh

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDKRkEXIguo&t found one tho

[rapid beacon]

I do wonder if its easy to transfer from Windows 10 os to Linux os, or rather the steam os as I plan on switching os at one point

[thorny remnant]

Unless steamos becomes mainstream it would be better to go main Linux distros

Currently steamos is made for the Deck and not much else really

[rapid beacon]

Im certain it will eventually be mainstream down the line when the Steam Machine comes out

However how often could I switch os till my mentality crashes?

[thorny remnant]

Then yea steamos would be Good

[plucky quail]

Nuh uh there is also the FP8 to 16 that only works on RDNA3 and 4 cuz of the wmma

[rapid beacon]

Its gonna be phenomenal i assume than Windows 11

[tawny thicket]

and only on linux

[plucky quail]

That one not as i am aware so far. Only on Linux with FP16 but Int8 works on windows

[plucky quail]

Its really ez. Always comes down to the kind of DIstro, But the main stream ones are fairly ez.
You can also dual boot if you need to. For that you need 2 Storages tho.

[thorny remnant]

The os not that hardcoded in Linux

So switching between distros is easier
You can even mix match distros and features (to a Point)

Also pretty much all distros can run from ram and a usb stick if you just want to test it

[rapid beacon]

Got like 5 of em, 4 ssd (500gb,1 tb,2 tb,2tb nvme) and 1 2tb hdd

Im Just not used to doing os swapping or dual boot,is it safe to do?

[plucky quail]

Yea. Windows sometimes brakes after a update but thats really just windows 11.

[rapid beacon]

Glad I didnt switch to Windows 11 and that my Windows 10 served me well, well it still could right?

[plucky quail]

Yea ofc. Sadly it doesnt get updates anymore and the performance of the OS falls with the years and prob also going to gets bugs over the time.

[rapid beacon]

I was more concerned of security but thats even worse,however I haven't updated my bios sooo

[thorny remnant]

I would use different Drives for Dual booting

[rapid beacon]

3 are sata,1 nvme and I assume the HDD won't do,one has to work, and windows 10 is on my 500gb ssd for 5 years now

[thorny remnant]

Yea hdd is not good even for Linux unless you go extremely Basic

[tropic bobcat]

You can force it to FSR4 INT8 which while developed a little differently accomplishes effectively the same end result. I’ve extensively tested both FSR4 and FSR4 INT8 and I’ve never been able to tell the difference between the two.

I’d personally just run with DLSS since you have a DLSS capable system as is, no reason to jump through hoops if you don’t need to.

[pastel summit]

unfortunately until GSC fixes that DLSS artifact bug I can't play with DLSS at all.

[tropic bobcat]

Ah damn, I forgot about that. Yeah you could try FSR8 INT, I can send you the files if you want.

[pastel summit]

yeah sure, doesn't hurt to try anyways

[tropic bobcat]

https://upload.disroot.org/r/pvRXdVD0#FV3dOBOfS/SewBT0s6H8k3I+oPa+8EE8UXrtxYpCDPM=

This has Optiscaler 0.9.0-Pre5 as well fakenapi, you could probably remove that one as you already have an NVIDIA GPU.

overall rule of thumb is find the games exe file and dag and drop all these files there. You can do this without optiscaler and if you do just use this file.

https://i.imgur.com/sd6SYuy.png

drag and drop that file and replace the existing one.

SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Heart of Chornobyl\Stalker2\Binaries\Win64

This is what you are looking for if you are on Steam.

[pastel summit]

isn't this just a 1 KB file? Optiscaler by itself is over 30 MB

[tropic bobcat]

it shouldnt be?

wtf

[late ferry]

aquaticle000 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[pastel summit]

Wolf'd

[tropic bobcat]

y tho

@pastel summit

https://upload.disroot.org/r/VGob_o1y#/pBc2eBCFFg88OOzFAMppUQW4kHpyCvbm5SVFBW6N8A=

you'll have to unzip this one, this is using a version of opti that isnt on the github but can be found in their discord, so be wary its not finished if you use it. but I prefer it over the current released version. Idk if you use optiscaler or not.

[pastel summit]

yep that looks about right

never used Optiscaler myself personally, first time for me

but its UX seems similar to ReShade or Ultra+ so should be fine

[tropic bobcat]

basically is.

theres (?) over most options telling you what it does, discord is also very helpful. im not sure opti has much use on nvidia though?

@tawny thicket might be able to shed some light. they have more experience with opti then me.

[pastel summit]

yeah except for trying out FSR4 there's not much of an use for it, since you can just use a DLSS dll swapper

or maybe for inserting in AMD frame generation? assuming someone uses that

[tropic bobcat]

I don't see why you would.

oh, right.

[pastel summit]

yeah the latency is incredibly high anyways.

[tropic bobcat]

3080 Ti doesn't have frame gen, forgot about that.

[pastel summit]

yeah, so far I see no point with me getting 60 FPS all the time in 1.7

[tropic bobcat]

I'm used to high fps so I use FG in certain games.

my 7900 XTX can brute force its way through most of it.

I had my doubts on this card but damn has it impressed tf outta me over the last year or so.

[pastel summit]

quite the beast in rasterization indeed

[tropic bobcat]

plus all that extra vram

[pastel summit]

would likely be ready for UE6 at this rate lol

[tropic bobcat]

quite possibly

[pastel summit]

gonna try out Optiscaler later on S2 and report back, imma eat first

[tropic bobcat]

using a controller feels weird...

[tawny thicket]

or more importantly, Xe-FG

[pastel summit]

hmm, yeah it does work on non-Intel GPUs

[stark kayak]

In game fsr frame generation broke the red dot sights.

[rapid beacon]

Well my 9060XT 16gb is being dispatched right before the vram shortage

Now just need to worry if it comes in one piece

[pastel summit]

very nice, congrats you gonna like it

[rapid beacon]

Bet its gonna feel like a leap of technology from my Sappphire RX 5700XT 8gb

[pastel summit]

massive leap then

[rapid beacon]

Just gonna ses how difficult it will be to install my first GPU

Did do compatibility research and size fitment
All should fit in my pc

[coarse linden]

Just hope retailer is not dumb enough to ship it in its box

So much fun when postal service "loses" the package twice in a row

[past escarp]

in case that gpu is too big - just cut out part of ur case

[coarse linden]

And suddenly 3 months later you are informed that same guy stole it lol

[rapid beacon]

I made measurements
The Asrock RX 9060xt 16gb is a bit smaller then my Saphire rx 5700xt 8gb
Should fit

[rapid beacon]

The retailer seems to be highly regarded as best (Mindfactory), even got Gold tier delivery service, think they will do it correctly

[coarse linden]

Oh those guys

Bastards quit shipping outside germany

[rapid beacon]

It is afterall a German hardware company

[plucky quail]

😂 🫵

[coarse linden]

It use to ship around EU

[tawny thicket]

FSR FG failing to cope with that effect, id recomend getting optiscalers 0.9 builds and using XeFG through it

[stark kayak]

Using fsr fg from amd adrenalin software fixes the scope issue in my case

I don't know what is the difference but it just works. 🤷‍♂️

[tawny thicket]

thats not FSR FG.

[plucky quail]

Guys do you also get 200fps in-game. No fg or such on

[stark kayak]

Yup you were right. Fluid motion frames is the name

[tawny thicket]

its also a whole diferent tech
with its own set of (bigger) issues

[pastel summit]

so I tried FSR 4 INT8 on S2 and it's...well, a huge loss.

lost 1/3rd of my frames and the image quality is actually worse than FSR 3.1, lots of shimmering.

oh well, back to TSR we go.

[tawny thicket]

thats insane
-33% perf from an upscaling method change 💀

[pastel summit]

the cost of using INT8 on a 3080 I suppose, lol

I'd honestly just use DLSS if not for this game breaking issue
#📸┃screens_and_videos message

[tawny thicket]

were you using optiscaler ? what was the upscale ms cost

[pastel summit]

oh, actually nope I just directly replaced the FSR upscaling dll

haven't counted frametime, but I went from a 60 FPS cap at ~70% GPU utilization to 40 - 50 FPS with maxed out usage

[tawny thicket]

you should use optiscaler with FSR 4, sibce this game selects the wrong model for quality mode so it looks worse than FSR 3..

[pastel summit]

I see, alright then thanks

[tawny thicket]

optiscaler has an FSR 4 DLL in it, so youll have to swap the int8 DLL back in once you install it

[plucky quail]

Wut

U sure you got in8 in S2?

[rapid beacon]

What you guys think of my PC #📸┃screens_and_videos ??

[tawny thicket]

it looks cool 🤷‍♂️

[plucky quail]

Imo put the aio up

[rapid beacon]

Ram sticks say Nein

[pastel summit]

@tawny thicket a question, so the correct way to get FSR4 INT8 working for Nvidia is to:

• install beta Optiscaler above, choose Nvidia in installation
• just choose FSR upscaling normally in S2 settings

that's correct right? I honestly cannot tell if INT8 is active or not, just that with the new dlls FSR still works and no huge frame drop compared to before. oh, and there's no upscaler options in Optiscaler menu either compared to AMD installations (but guess this is normal?)

[tawny thicket]

you have to press the 'ins' (insert) key to get the optiscaler UI, thats where you select what upscaler you wanna use...

[pastel summit]

oof

yeah there's no option to choose upscaler in Optiscaler at all

[tawny thicket]

? i meant, press insert **in game **

its runtime
the ini should also have options for what the default scaler should be

[pastel summit]

nevermind, I tried again by choosing FSR at main menu first and the option is there now.

[tawny thicket]

also try using optiscalers implementation of DLSS
see if it has that same bug

[pastel summit]

menu works properly now in game and there's an option for FSR 4, it works but...the model is stuck at Model 0/FSR Quality (does not change no matter what I do) and image quality still sucks as before oof

good call thanks.

[tawny thicket]

sad, model selector probably doesnt work for int8 den : (

[tawny thicket]

wait no, it works for me tho
@pastel summit did you try forcing diferent models through the UI ?

[pastel summit]

yeah different FSR model does, DLSS works too preset included

I was gonna comment on how Preset C works better than vanilla if not for that same artifact bug happening again :/

[tawny thicket]

damn, thats sad..

[pastel summit]

yep

oh well, TSR ol' reliable still works at least

[plucky quail]

Tsr also looks better now

[tropic bobcat]

Still looks like trash when it comes to foliage for me.

[pastel summit]

yeah, it's not ideal but works at least

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve just been using FSR4 Native AA, hoping the upscalers in this game get fixed eventually….

[pastel summit]

not gonna lie 1440p is perfect for cards around 7900 XTX, 4K and you start having FPS issues with native res

[dusky geyser]

Hey, on what settings do you guys play? I struggle to find a good mix of FPS and quality, maybe scared of visual lacking if I go too low. On epic with DLSS and frame gen, it runs, but input lag is insane (1080p 4060ti 16gb VRAM and 32GB RAM).

[pastel summit]

oof, disable frame gen ASAP whenever you have input lag.

never use it if your base FPS is under 60 FPS, it's not a crutch for low FPS

[tawny thicket]

dont do epic settings, go to high or somethin

[crisp latch]

dam i can't tell you guys how smooth my game is running right now, with nearly all settings on high with dlss on quality on 1440p, cap the game on 48 fps guys believe me, it's a game changer, game feels very cinematic, i was getting sick of the random fps drops between 60 and 50 and man what a game changer, now i can set mist on ultra and avoid that weird interior granulated issue, all of this with a 2080 super and 9900kf, game feels now better than never

for those who are struggling with 8gb gpu try those tips, set the fps unlimited at game and cap it with rivatunner on 48

and set as much things you can on high -ultra

also disable the overlay on steam, close discord and disable the overlay on nvidia too, put this -dx12 on steam launch parameters and enjoy

no need mor engine tweaks or other things

no framegen btw (it works horrible on my end giving me tons of image issues and input delay)

[hollow kettle]

48fps man what the heck. That's rough. Lol

[pastel summit]

that's very good in the grand scheme of things IMO, especially if it's capped

[pastel summit]

very interesting, I might have to try this someday thanks for the tip

[tawny thicket]

this game exclusively runs dx12 to begin with, that launch arguement is pure placebo

[swift torrent]

all on epic without any dlss shit, on 1440p with 11700k, 64gb ram and 5070ti. Before patch 60-70FPS and after the patch more like 80 to 100. with the old 3060 12GB it was like 40-55FPS on high with some mids and 30-35 on epic before patch.

[crisp latch]

You’re probably right i set this when i try one of the tweak engines and leave this way since that so this is probably unnecessary

[crisp latch]

It’s weird but works better than 50 idk why

[rapid beacon]

Soo ill soon be picking up my 9060xt
And I want make sure to ask even here for the fellow pc enthusiasts.
Should I clean my drivers before or after installing my new GPU?
(Both old and new are AMD)
Saw so many videos saying to do manually and or use DDU
Need bit of perspective help

[tawny thicket]

yes, you absolutely should

[rapid beacon]

So using DDU is the best?

There any good video you guys could recommend as DDU manual?

When it comes to hardware,no issue
But software aint my best part

[spare coral]

DDU is really easy to use dont think you need a video

[rapid beacon]

DDU has a Manual included?

[crisp latch]

It's easy, boot the pc on safe mode, clean everything with ddu (if you have nvidia app clean this too, it has every option about this in the ddu app) and turn off the pc, install the gpu and install drivers/app etc

[rapid beacon]

Booting into safe mode via Bios?
(Both my new and old gpu are AMD,dont think ill need uninstall the AMD Adrenaline)

[crisp latch]

No, windows has special options on boot menu try to google it to find how to be on that menu

[crisp latch]

I don’t think you need to but i would unistall/ clean everything anyway

[spare coral]

Yeah uninstall everything just in case

[rapid beacon]

I think I understand how DDU works
-Boot safe mode from desktop
-restart (before that DDU installed and AMD Adrenaline uninstall)
-unselect safe boot but not restart.
-use DDU to clean and Shut Down
-Swap my old with new GPU
-boot up
-install AMD Adrenaline for drivers

This correct steps?
I wanna be 100% sure

[tawny thicket]

yeah, should be fiine

[tropic bobcat]

7800x3d + 7900 XTX Epic Preset w/ FSR4 Native AA.

Sounds like you have your quality preset a bit too high if you are having an issue with framerate, the game looks almost as good on high as it does on epic.

[tawny thicket]

a ton faster rig there
but yeah, lower settings in general for a 4060, the 4060 cant do epic in this

[plucky quail]

Like ALL to Epic and no FG or DLSS?

[plucky quail]

How much do you get now?

[tropic bobcat]

Uhhh…like a hundred or so, not sure.

[plucky quail]

What

Where? What place

I get like 90-70 I mean i could look in the sky and get 250 but that doesnt count

[tropic bobcat]

Depends on the area, honestly. I’ve also done a lot of work to this system to make it run well above average, so that could also be a factor.

[plucky quail]

In lesser i dont get that much. but maybe more outside i would get more. Cant really tell yet. I also dont want to play new game waiting till 5.5

[tropic bobcat]

5.5?

[plucky quail]

UE5

[tropic bobcat]

Micron is ending the Crucial brand.

[tropic bobcat]

Ohhh, that makes sense.

[plucky quail]

wut

[tropic bobcat]

Micron has announced they’re exiting the consumer market.

[plucky quail]

[plucky quail]

Leme guess its makes much more sense to make HBM?

[past escarp]

daym

[rapid beacon]

I have had some minor issues having the GPU software work for
Had taken DDU and shut down,after installing the GPU and turned on the PC
The Driver would not install because AMD Adrenaline needs Internet,so I had to connect,but needed to go out of Safe boot,soo all seems to work
Ran Stalker 2 now for short and all seems very well working, on all HIGH options

The Leap in Technology from 5 years ago is INSANE

[uneven portal]

I have finished my tests comparing 1.0.3 and 1.7.0

I shared more information on other servers where I can send images. In general terms, the biggest performance jump was in populated areas like Zalasia with almost a 35% performance improvement.

However, in sparsely populated areas or areas with low NPC density, the performance was practically the same, with a slight increase followed by a decrease in the amount of vegetation.

Even with the changes in version 1.7, which increased vegetation in specific areas, the game still has a kind of downgrade in that aspect.

[wise oak]

If we take a close look at how the optimization was done, you can clearly see that the rendering distance of basically everything was heavily reduced. Trees, objects, buildings - everything pops in, LODs are still rendered only within about 50 meters, and so on. That’s the entire optimization ))

[uneven portal]

yea is just... poor

[wise oak]

Well, at least now there’s a reason to play on console, since the graphics are pretty much the same anyway (unless you’re ini geek) 😁

Although I lied about the LODs. A lot of trees switch from their LOD state to the normal model almost… hmm… right in your face? And by the way, the clearest example of this so called optimization is the military base in Cordon. It looks like complete mush up until around 60 meters away, maybe even less ))

[uneven portal]

That was worse in version 1.0, though.

[wise oak]

Well, to be fair, it’s still way better than it was before, by a really huge margin. At launch, hardly anyone could even play the game at all.

[uneven portal]

if you don't get a memory leak, versions 1.0 and 1.7 only differ in performance in areas with high population density.

For 12 months, it really falls short in terms of optimization.

I would venture to say that the game looks worse depending on the moment.

[wise oak]

Memleaks are still in the game. The engine keeps dumping data into the shared mem even with several gigabytes of free VRAM, where it just accumulates pointlessly and doesn't unload even when exiting to the menu. In the end, the shared mem eats up several gigabytes and FPS drops like crazy for people with 6-12 Gb VRAM.

And it's a UE5.1 problem, not the game itself.

[plucky quail]

That's the same I am complaining about. Lod is horrendous even for textures. They are too much restricted to other hardware they promised to support.
Part of it could have been fixed without legacy hardware.

Lot of problems could be fixed at towns where many props are

[tropic bobcat]

Yet another reason to be thankful for 24GB of VRAM.

[coarse linden]

This fcking sucks

But hey atleast they admitted that its for bigger profits

[tropic bobcat]

Yes, but not as bad as you’d think.

[coarse linden]

I mean your "life time warranty" just ate rocks with that tbh since they wont be replacing it anymore

[tropic bobcat]

Micron is exiting the consumer market via Crucial but they are not exiting the consumer space all-together, they will continue to sell their chips to the likes of Corsair, Kingston, G.Skill and so on and so fourth.

[coarse linden]

Naturally

[tropic bobcat]

Many people are getting the impression of the former rather than the latter.

[coarse linden]

I mean ending life time warranty is bad

Especially to this pleb that happens to have lot of Crucial rams lol

[tropic bobcat]

I’m not sure how that’s going to work to be honest.

[coarse linden]

Its force majeure. If they dont make them they cant replace them

[tropic bobcat]

That’s not necessarily true.

They never specified they’d stop manufacturing crucial products but rather they’d just cease selling them on the consumer market, there’s a good chance they’ll continue to honor these warranties for for the time being at least until current stock dries up which would be a while. Crucial likely has quite a few of their units in reserve specifically for RMA’s.

Most companies hold some in reserve for that very purpose. Now as to how much who knows, they may also continue production on a smaller scale to continue service for RMA’s but I’m not sure about that either, I also wonder how they define “lifetime”.

There’s a lot of unknowns here. It’s not easy to evaporate an entire brand especially one as old and as well known as crucial.

Crucial is the first company to sell memory directly to consumers,

[uneven portal]

To get 24gb of VRAM you have to spend money on graphics cards with a price that is, to say the least, a rip-off.

At this rate, modifications to add more VRAM will become more common

Although I don't know to what extent it will be worth it just to play unfinished games

[plucky quail]

https://youtu.be/Vs70HLzlsnw?si=yAdMM7ppXaslOYRl

It's really bad if already mainstream yter having a talk about it

[thorny remnant]

Yea the ram situation is just absolutely dreadful

All just because a single large company is hording stock and build capacity

[tropic bobcat]

7900 XTX disagrees.

I was able to grab mine last year for $830 USD.

[uneven portal]

Its price in Spain never went below 1000 euros

[tropic bobcat]

Damn, that’s rough.

[uneven portal]

It's rubbish, everything comes with a 21% tax

[tropic bobcat]

It’s such a good card. It’s been my favorite card that I’ve owned

24GB of VRAM has been such a blessing.

[uneven portal]

Until recently I had a 4070 ti, with a vram modification

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve never modified VRAM, I’ve never needed to, though I could if I wanted to.

[uneven portal]

Companies are so underhanded that you can even physically see the space where the missing VRAM goes.

[tropic bobcat]

Correct.

7900 GRE, 7900 XT and 7900 XTX’s all use identical chips.

It’s not underhanded it’s just how the industry operates.

[uneven portal]

https://files.fm/u/rjwgucgzf5 this is a 4070ti

is crazy, you can upgrade to 16 or 20

[tropic bobcat]

Yes I’m aware of what you are referring to lol. I take apart GPUs regularly

[uneven portal]

I recently found an AMD Stalker SoC graphics card in Spain; if I manage to buy it, I'll post photos.

[plucky quail]

I want to up my ram in the near future to 24gbps Samsung ones.

[tropic bobcat]

Why? You already have 24GB.

[plucky quail]

No I have 20gbps. But I want a OC beast. Having fun with it.

It's basically already beating 5080s

Really costly tho

[tropic bobcat]

Huh?

We taking like Internet now? I’m so confused lol.

[coarse linden]

Might require bit more modding the card depending on specs

Cant just slap random ram chips on it and hope it works

Probably biggest hurdle is the vbios which is why modding cards is not mainstream

[coarse linden]

Ram chip speeds

[tropic bobcat]

I wasn’t asking about speed I was asking about capacity which is why I’m still confused.

[coarse linden]

Well he was talking about swapping those 20gbps chips into 24gbps chips

[tropic bobcat]

7900 XTX and 7900 XT both utilize 20Gbps chips.

24GB versus 20GB.

24Gbps is effectively unheard of on either of those units..

The highest you’d be able to achieve would be around 2750Mhz (2736Mhz), I’ve never seen anything beyond that on these units and I’ve been working around them and overclocking them for quite some time.

I’ve probably handled over a hundred of these units by now.

[rapid beacon]

Well the new GPU i got 9060xt 16gb is insane powerhouse for the price

Its slightly slower than my 5700XT but its efficiency is unmatched

Ill test the GPU bit further tonight in VR games to test its smoothness with my 144hz Pimax VR

[tawny thicket]

wat

it should be A TON faster than a 5700 xy

[ionic remnant]

Really hyped for CES 2026
1 more month of waiting
Maybe new dlss and fsr updates
Maybe new oled monitors

[tawny thicket]

cope cope and more cope incoming

[plucky quail]

3 Things that never going to happen

[plucky quail]

That for sure. Some Chinese dude did that already.

[coarse linden]

Generally those chinese modded cards are not usable for gaming

They run their own vbioses on those that are more or less only useful for AI workload

[rapid beacon]

https://www.gpu-monkey.com/en/compare_gpu-sapphire_pulse_radeon_rx_5700_xt_8g-vs-asrock_radeon_rx_9060_xt_challenger_16gb_oc

Compared both,it is in some aspects faster

[tawny thicket]

thats just comparing specs, which is fun, but RDNA 4 is a Ton better than 1, the 9060 IS a LOT faster IRL than the 5700 xt

[rapid beacon]

Yea I can tell from me going from Mid-High with my old one.
To Full High quality in Stalker 2 with consistent fps

I haven't however tested her in VR just yet to see how it will render in 144hz Pimax headset

Thats where my RX 5700XT was struggling

[tropic bobcat]

9060 XT 16GB should be approximately 70% faster than a 5700 XT.

[tawny thicket]

my 9060 XT is 71% faster than my 6600 was across a 3 game avarage at native 1080p without RT

tho i most of that is CPU (on the 9060xt) or VRAM bottlenecked (on the 6600)

i tested a lot more games but i didnt put them in my relative perf txt file smh

[tropic bobcat]

vram bottleneck? couldnt be me.

[tawny thicket]

2025 + 8GB AMD GPU = 💀

[tropic bobcat]

[tawny thicket]

for control which RT setting should i use for comparison ?
medium or high ? my 6600 just gave up at high lol (39 at medium -> 23 at high)

meanwhile 9060: 84fps (medium) -> 70 on high

y'know what i'll take medium to give the poor 6600 a chance

[tawny thicket]

73% on a 5 game avarage for avg fps
i tested 2 more games, however i dont trust the results from one of them, and i tested totally diferent versions of stalker so..

cyberprank has the 6600 avaraging 35fps without RT at 1080p native
while the 9060 gets 87fps, so +148% perf, shouldnt be that big especially given its CPU limited

[pure ibex]

i got one of those actually

they kinda suck balls ngl

[uneven portal]

yea is just for the collection

[pure ibex]

they made them as the dog shit 512mb gddr3 instead of the fair bit better 1gb gddr4 version

though both suck compared to the fireGl card you can regularly find on ebay for like 40 bux lol

[uneven portal]

My head still hurts at the thought of paying so much for a stalker paperweight

[pure ibex]

i think i paid like 100 bux for mine

[uneven portal]

is the same for me aprox

[pure ibex]

you could pcb swap it for a 1gb card

they all use the same cooler

[nimble nexus]

My mate regularly got 2900Mhz on his 7900xt

[tropic bobcat]

If he did then he killed that card.

Rip VRAM.

[nimble nexus]

Not at all, wasd ysing it like that for a couple of years, running fine no issues.

[tropic bobcat]

I’m skeptical.

[nimble nexus]

His VRAM was about 2700

[tropic bobcat]

You just said it was 2900.

[nimble nexus]

the GPU ran at 2900Mhz, the VRAM nwas 2700Mhz he under clocked to about 1040, and power was set 115%...

[tropic bobcat]

The message you replied to was referencing VRAM.

[nimble nexus]

ahhh, I thought that was the GPU

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve clocked 7900 XTX’s as high as 3.3Ghz.

[nimble nexus]

but yeah, my mate set his VRAM 2700... ran fine

[tropic bobcat]

Mine can hit 2950Mhz as is.

[late ferry]

meki98.1 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah that’s about as high as you can go without issues, I’ve never seen much higher.

[nimble nexus]

but you got an XTX, they can run a litt higher.... but my mates wasn't for a just an XT

[tropic bobcat]

VRAM? Nah.

They’re identical. They use identical chips.

[nimble nexus]

no the GPU.... the VRAM is the same chips I belive

[tropic bobcat]

The GPU is the same chip too, they just downclock it among a few other things.

7900 GRE, 7900 XT and 7900 XTX use identical chips.

[nimble nexus]

didnt they lower the bitrate?

[thorny remnant]

I am doing 2100 and my vram is Sitting at 90c all the time

[nimble nexus]

364 to 296 or something

[tropic bobcat]

Mine is 90 C and I hate it.

[nimble nexus]

hot spot?

[tropic bobcat]

I’m going to be fixing that soon though…

[tropic bobcat]

No, VRAM. Damn I can’t tell which one we keep talking about.🤣

[thorny remnant]

Same disgusting

[tropic bobcat]

They may have, dunno.

I just know they use the same chip.

[nimble nexus]

something is wrong... my mates ram running at 2700, never got that hot at all

[tropic bobcat]

Well, he probably wasn’t pushing 420 W like I am now.

[nimble nexus]

but that wont effect the RAM surely?

[tropic bobcat]

It does.

I’m eventually planning to raise it to 460 W.

[nimble nexus]

watercooling?

[tropic bobcat]

But I need to replace the thermal pads with thermal putty first.

[thorny remnant]

Sadly i dont know how i should get the temp down
So i just hope 90c fine

[tropic bobcat]

No, it’s on air. I don’t mess with pipes and shit. That’s just annoying.

[nimble nexus]

what card you got?

[thorny remnant]

Rx 7900xt

[tropic bobcat]

It’s within normal operating temperatures.

[nimble nexus]

Make?

[thorny remnant]

Reference

[nimble nexus]

garbage

just run it with default settings.

[thorny remnant]

For them even 110c is normal Operating temperature

[tropic bobcat]

They’re pretty though.

[nimble nexus]

but the default VRAM should be 2500Mhz

[tropic bobcat]

Well that’s the maximum, it’ll start throttling then.

If you wanted to you could open the card up and replace it with PTM7950 or a Kryosheet, I’ve had both on mine. You could also replace the pads with putty which I’m doing soon.

It’s actually quite easy to do.

[thorny remnant]

Yea and in two years i can burry it outside becouse the vram can only do space invaders

[thorny remnant]

Yea i am thinking about it

[tropic bobcat]

PTM7950 is annoying to work with, Kryosheet is easy as pie.

I’ve got a Kryosheet on mine at the moment.

[nimble nexus]

hows that running? You only do it the other day right?

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, but there’s no burn in like with PTM7950.

[nimble nexus]

big temp change?

[tropic bobcat]

Not particularly, versus PTM7950. But it’s easier to work with so I’ll keep that in mind.

[thorny remnant]

52c Edge 54c junktion 68c watching a Movie

[tropic bobcat]

I had to place kapton tape on all the capacitors though.

[nimble nexus]

yeah, something is wrong

[tropic bobcat]

GPU or….VRAM?

[thorny remnant]

Vram

[nimble nexus]

something is not right

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/eyRooIK.png

this is @ 360 W for reference.

[nimble nexus]

it shouldn't be that hot...

[tropic bobcat]

I lowered to wattage to tame my VRAM temperatures until my putty comes in.

Should be here in the enxt day or so.

Some good ole horizon zero dawn over here.

[nimble nexus]

I was playing GTFO earlier

[thorny remnant]

Well funny thing if i try to lower the max varm speed
My pc green Screens has soon i put load on it

[tropic bobcat]

That can happen yeah.

Too high and it’ll do that but too low and it’ll do the same thing.

[thorny remnant]

Very wierd like it works fine otherwise besides the temp

[nimble nexus]

It only has one fan right?

[thorny remnant]

no 3 but feels like 2

[nimble nexus]

what are your fan curves like?

[thorny remnant]

passive to 50c
50% at 70c
and 100% at 80c

[nimble nexus]

My was telling me that the fan curves are not GPU temp, but hot spot temp

[tropic bobcat]

This is correct.

[thorny remnant]

for me its seams it always takes the lowest value

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/W63nBPe.png

this is what mine look like if it helps, been working great for me over the last year.

[nimble nexus]

F*ck the British gov on banning imgur

useless twat waffles

[tropic bobcat]

That is genuinely wild, why Imgur?

Then again didn’t they ban porn too?

[nimble nexus]

No idea, meme's?

[nimble nexus]

not really, the idiots.

[tropic bobcat]

oh

[nimble nexus]

We are seeing the beginning of the government in V for Vendetta

[tropic bobcat]

Horizon Zero Dawn has me at 11GB VRAM usage.

[nimble nexus]

Never played it

[tropic bobcat]

That’s wild.

Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West are masterpieces imo.

[nimble nexus]

just not my thing.

and have zero interest in playing them

[tropic bobcat]

What do you play?

[nimble nexus]

GTFO, Remnant 2, iRacing, System Shock Remake, Witchfire, Darktide every now and then

[thorny remnant]

Will try something like that

[tropic bobcat]

Let me know how it goes.

I have a Sapphire Pulse model which has a pretty beefy cooler in its own right.

[nimble nexus]

undervolt it, take it down from 1100 miliamps to 1050, will cool the chip a bit

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve wanted to try iracing, I do have a wheel and stuff.

[nimble nexus]

what wheel you got?

[tropic bobcat]

That’s assuming it doesn’t shit the bed.

[tropic bobcat]

Oh jeez, I’ve had it for years, one from Thrustmaster.

[nimble nexus]

far enough, got a Moza 3... nice and you can get it for less than £300

[tropic bobcat]

T300 RS GT I believe.

I have the upgraded pedals for it too, the metal ones.

[nimble nexus]

niiice

well, iracing is good, if you can handle a million idiots.

[tropic bobcat]

I need another Dualsense controller now that I think about it.

[nimble nexus]

Nice, I play iracing in VR too, game changers

and I need a new controller too, waiting for the valve one to come out

[tropic bobcat]

VR isn’t really my thing.

[tropic bobcat]

That’s why I’ve been holding off.

[nimble nexus]

I love VR for certain things, Elite Dangerous, Alyx, all racing games... and some UE4 games too

[tropic bobcat]

It looks freaking weird though

[nimble nexus]

yeah

looks weird, needs to be big too, I got massive hands

[thorny remnant]

Sadly cant can only adjust the power kurve by +- a few mv

[tropic bobcat]

My hands are slow regular sized?

[nimble nexus]

the power curve? what you touching that for?

[tropic bobcat]

Different setting.

[thorny remnant]

Now the temps are 39 41 56

[tropic bobcat]

The greatest technician that’s ever lived.

[nimble nexus]

its the board voltage you knockdown, from 1100, to 1050, 1060, around there

[thorny remnant]

There is a single power related setting which is called gpu voltage Offset

[nimble nexus]

you dont mess with the power curve

[tropic bobcat]

There’s another one.

[nimble nexus]

well, I never did

[tropic bobcat]

It’s in the same location to the left and it’s called “GPU Tuning”.

[tropic bobcat]

I do, I increase it. 😂

[tropic bobcat]

Enable that and then enabled Advanced Control.

Assuming you want to go that route.

But you’re at the mercy of the silicon lottery there.

[nimble nexus]

My mate runs his at 1050ma.... seems stable him... runs the card cooler, iven when the GPU is running at 2900Mhz, the hotspot bounced around 70C

[tropic bobcat]

He’s got better lottery than me then.

My own personal 7900 XTX won’t undervolt worth a fuck.

[nimble nexus]

he got his undervolt down to 990, hit 3000+ Mhz.

[thorny remnant]

Yea

[tropic bobcat]

I feel like this only works in benchmarks.

He’s damaging the chip at that point, too.

[nimble nexus]

yeah, more than likely, hence why he runs his 7900xt at 2900, 2700, 1050ma, 115% power.

[tropic bobcat]

When it comes to overclocking there becomes a point where you need to ask just because it can doesn’t mean you should,

Just because you can run a certain chip at 5Ghz doesn’t mean you should, there’s a point that it’s also not giving you better performance and you may just be losing performance.

7900 XTX’s can operate at up to 600 W. Anything beyond that and the gains just aren’t worth it and aren’t there.

[thorny remnant]

In particular now wen vram is about to become harder and more expensive than cocaine i would not do any experiments with gpus

[nimble nexus]

No. I got a 9070xt Red Devil, just run it at stock

it's good enough for me as is.

[tropic bobcat]

Well you have 20GB of it, which must feel nice, I know 24Gb feels great for me.

[thorny remnant]

Indeed now i just need to pray it lasts 10 years

[nimble nexus]

the RAM prices wont be that high for that long

DATA centres will stop buying them at some point

[thorny remnant]

Probably not but they will take a while to come down to normal levels again
With some people fearing it will never be has "Cheap" has it was

[nimble nexus]

Well, if the industry wants to kill itself

[thorny remnant]

Well we can hope but currently 65% of the ram/vram Production is Gone

[tropic bobcat]

damn im upgraded when udna comes out lol

[nimble nexus]

it's nuts.

I saw a CL30 6000 64Gb from scan.co.uk and it was either £750 or a £1000

[tropic bobcat]

wish I upgrded to 64gb while I had the chance

still have one of the top kits on the market though.

[nimble nexus]

yeah, me too, I got 32GB, I am not fussed about 64Gb... I am more interested in moving over to Linux

[thorny remnant]

I am stuck on am4 now
No way in hell i can afford the am5 Setup i want

[tropic bobcat]

i cant use linux, optiscaler doesnt work well over there and adrenaline isnt supported.

[nimble nexus]

Yeah, I know, it's a bummer

hoping that changes soon though

[thorny remnant]

Guess why i dont have more oc and down Volt Options

[tropic bobcat]

oh

[nimble nexus]

What do you use then?

[thorny remnant]

Lact

[nimble nexus]

Yeah, that is the one I use on linux

but lact has those options if it is installed properly

When I was using it, if I didn't install it correctly, it would only give me half the options.

[thorny remnant]

Which gpu did you use?

[nimble nexus]

7090xt

[tropic bobcat]

7090 XT lmao

[nimble nexus]

9070xt

[pure ibex]

DAMN

they dropped a down grade bro

[tropic bobcat]

its the new unda gpu

[pure ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-fullmetal-alchemist-armstrong-bromance-viril-gif-16049606

[nimble nexus]

it was a prelease version

[nimble nexus]

you in the club? Get In!!

[pure ibex]

of course im in the club

[nimble nexus]

what one you got?

[pure ibex]

i got a red devil

im a sucker for power color

[nimble nexus]

I got a red devil too

[pure ibex]

i do think in hind sight it was not really worth the extra money

[nimble nexus]

coz, good quality company

[pure ibex]

since 9070 xt dies don't really oc

[nimble nexus]

Yeah, but get cool and quiet and top performance

rather than some cheap one with fans at 100%

And I am not OC my card, don't need too, I would rather have it last

[thorny remnant]

I payd 1300

[pure ibex]

the dies are kinda frustrating

because they just seem to have a hard cut off point

for seemingly no reason

like there is some kind of hardware limiter in place

some guy tried putting over 1000 watts through the die

and it still refused to clock past 3.4ghz

[nimble nexus]

wow

[tropic bobcat]

my nuts can hit 3.5Ghz

[nimble nexus]

That sucks balls

[pure ibex]

it makes me think it is actually on purpose

[nimble nexus]

Fast and furious, that's how you 5 knuckle shuffle

[nimble nexus]

It wouldn't surprise me, not allowed to have fun anymore, it's all just a boring hell scape

[pure ibex]

well yes and no

this is a stop gap gpu

[nimble nexus]

so it means I got a buy another next gen 🙁

[pure ibex]

they are probably sold pre binned to the max

like i want another radeon with a die more this size

[nimble nexus]

thats a fairly chuncky chip

[tropic bobcat]

same

[pure ibex]

thats mega vega aka radeon 7 die

[tropic bobcat]

its the same chip you have.

just kidding

[nimble nexus]

and what extra performance have you got out of it?

I mean, you must have got something?

[tropic bobcat]

wasnt paying attention to the chiplets

[pure ibex]

honestly some but

ive had a bunch of crash problems

[nimble nexus]

My chip is made out of potatos

[pure ibex]

id need to unlock the voltage

to make it stable

i just got a fairly meh quality bin sadly

[tropic bobcat]

wdym?

[thorny remnant]

Thats the other thing i am worried about
Bigger gpu also means way likely to die to heat based causes
Like a overweight person and heart attacks

[tropic bobcat]

not really

[nimble nexus]

It's a terrible joke and play on words 😄

[tropic bobcat]

have you seen the size of the 5090 die?

[pure ibex]

well no the radeon 7 dies because of a defect in the silicon interposer

the gpu dies them selves don't die

what happens is the hbm2 memory modules will unmount them selves from the silicon interposer

and peel up

[thorny remnant]

Its not like i can just replace it so i still count it has heat Death

[pure ibex]

well yah but thats a unique case

plenty of other giant gpu dies with no such problems

[tropic bobcat]

Do they even make those Radeon's anymore?

I think they killed off that segment of the business, I think.

[pure ibex]

they barely even existed

[tropic bobcat]

they were neat though imo.

[pure ibex]

oh yah

the radeon 7 is one of the sexiest gpus ever made

[tropic bobcat]

for sure.

[thorny remnant]

There is the main core chip that can unmount itself

[tropic bobcat]

4096 bit bus was the funny.

[pure ibex]

i have one its fucken sexy bro

better yet it even works lmao

it was sparred from being mined to death

[tropic bobcat]

7900 XTX was the largest die they ever made I think...

[pure ibex]

yah but thats not happened since the early lead free solder days

[nimble nexus]

the GPU would melt the solder I am guessing?

[pure ibex]

no

the solder would crack

which was fixable

[tropic bobcat]

I'd like a 7900 XTX type of die with a UDNA GPU

[nimble nexus]

but only if you was in the know.

[pure ibex]

but most gpus that had this issue were also made on 90nm using an nvidia design so they would die due to a different reason

so even if you reballed them

it might fix them for a little bit butttttttttttttttttttt

then it would just fail forever soon after

[thorny remnant]

No it Thermal Cycles itself out

Like a bridge that expands in the Heat and contracts wen its cold

[nimble nexus]

hot cold hot cold

[pure ibex]

nvidia did the math wrong when calculating the amount of heat they could survive so in reality the heat load the gpus could tolerate was way less than they thought

[tropic bobcat]

nvidia moment

[nimble nexus]

could use use a different to address the problem?

[pure ibex]

so what would happen is the pure lead that holds the gpu die to the substrate

that it's self would crack

[thorny remnant]

Indeed but its gets worse wen the Thermal range increases

[pure ibex]

and that is not fixable because silicon dies are only rated to be heated to melting point of lead for like 15 seconds ever

so while maybe it could be fixed in theory ive never heard of anyone succeeding

[nimble nexus]

wow! That's just fecked then.

[pure ibex]

this is again ancient history now so not like its a modern issue mind you

[nimble nexus]

so glad I didn't buy one of them cards then.

[thorny remnant]

There is the gpu baking thing which can help bring the gpu back to life again but not for Long

[pure ibex]

that would fix the bga issue

[nimble nexus]

Still bummer if you got one at the time though

[pure ibex]

sometimes.....

[pure ibex]

its the reason early gen xbox and ps3 consoles would die all the time

the gpus were made on nvidia 90nm

[nimble nexus]

mwahahahahahahahaha

[thorny remnant]

Are you 100% sure
Because it sound like basic physics to me

[pure ibex]

well yes

these failures started happening less than a year after people got these cards

and once again

the bga failure was in many cases a red herring

[nimble nexus]

bga?

[pure ibex]

Ball grid array

[nimble nexus]

okay, what's that?

[thorny remnant]

So what is the current gpu killer?

[nimble nexus]

the hammer

[thorny remnant]

Instead of a socket you just use solder balls

[pure ibex]

nothing really except fire due to 12vhpwr connector

[tropic bobcat]

melting cables

[pure ibex]

this is what the back of a gpu die looks like

[nimble nexus]

yup yup, I got you.

[pure ibex]

or any modern high performance chip for that matter

[thorny remnant]

Thats obvious but dosent explain all the dead Laptop Gpus

[pure ibex]

well if you run a gpu at near over 100c for a really long time yah idk what you expect would happen

[nimble nexus]

probably because people covered the air vents, cz laptop

[thorny remnant]

True but what is actually Breaking in them

[pure ibex]

idk what exactly but if the bga managed to melt

that is entirely due to bad laptop design or user error

not the fault of the chip in anyway

"The melting point of lead-free solder typically ranges from 217°C to 260°C"

if your laptop managed to get that hot

[thorny remnant]

I think we can rule that out given the heat required

[pure ibex]

like heres an example modern amd cpus are designed to operate up to like 85 to 95c

and that is rated as safe

its entirely possible those gpus are just not

[past escarp]

wow seems dirty cheap to me

[past escarp]

then it is not a laptop anymore, its a cooking platform

[nimble nexus]

10 hours, street corners, you'll be fine.... but sore

[thorny remnant]

That was almost two hours ago
So the prices have changed

[pure ibex]

true i think if it managed to get that hot

it could actually cook food

[thorny remnant]

Most Laptops shut down at 105 or something dont ask me how i know

[past escarp]

it would cook for you. what would you call a steak made on chip[ anyways? smart silikon steak?

[past escarp]

yeah i know, just hadnt checked this chat for a while

[pure ibex]

like are we sure this isn't just a raptor lake intel cpu failure related issue

cus those are known to fail even in laptops

[past escarp]

its very ironical, dont you think?

raptors are now extincting

[thorny remnant]

No dead gpu in particular

[pure ibex]

yes because it gives a gpu error

when it starts dying

[past escarp]

frying*

[pure ibex]

is it specifically nvidia or is amd mobile gpus dying too

though i guess the market for that would be kinda small

not that many laptops with dedicated amd mobile gpus

[thorny remnant]

Mostly Nvidia that i know of
Given AMD Laptop gpus are has common has Linux Desktops😜

If not counting APU only laptops

[pure ibex]

there mobile cpus need to become more common

still makes me mad not many laptops have them

but who knows maybe nvidia messed them up some how

at least on desktop that kinda thing doesn't happen

even when gpus finally die

rarely is it due to the die

usually the memory dies or some other component

[past escarp]

imagine having a bomb instead of psu

[thorny remnant]

Apperently the psu should be trown out if its to old

My psu is from 2017 so approaching 10 in less than 2 Years

[pure ibex]

meh

depends on who made it

id use a seasonic or corsair for 20 years

and not even think twice about it

[past escarp]

if its aerocool - then it should be destroyed on sight

[thorny remnant]

EVGA

[pure ibex]

mixed bag

some are good some less so

like i bought an evga supernova classified off ebay mostly cus its just cool as fuck

turns out those psus are total fucken ass

which sucks cus there so heckin cool

[thorny remnant]

Sadly thats pretty much every psu company

[pure ibex]

seasonic no

no one ever heard of a bad seasonic psu

[past escarp]

you still have something like aerocool or gamemax

like, they are so bad, that i would rather consider them HE-grenades or mines, or whatever dedicated explosive of your choice

[pure ibex]

i mean psus in general are way better than they use to be