pc-specs

[serene meteor]

Whats the best most expensive card out right now?

[hazy arch]

The multi gpu cards get made from time to time, but as a novelty.

[coarse linden]

5090

[serene meteor]

Cost?

[coarse linden]

Somewhere between 2200 - 3000

[serene meteor]

Wow.

[coarse linden]

Nvidia drivers havent been supporting SLI for 4 years now

[serene meteor]

What if I sli 2 5090s?

[coarse linden]

You dont

[serene meteor]

Lol ok

[hazy arch]

I don't know if a 5090 comes out with nvlink ports

[coarse linden]

It doesnt

Not since RTX 30

[hazy arch]

Ja, so then no SLI for the 5090.

[coarse linden]

Technically dont need it

But you wont get it to run any games

[hazy arch]

Uh? So they communicate through pci-e or something?

[coarse linden]

DX12 got build in support for multi gpu

Catch being developers need to use it

And since nobody does its pointless lol

[serene meteor]

I understand but I want that 120fps

[coarse linden]

Wait 5 years

[serene meteor]

So i might upgrade my 4070

To a 5090

[serene meteor]

The games that are comming out these days are pretty well optimized

Just saying

[plucky quail]

They aren’t exhibit a: stalker 2

[serene meteor]

Cyberpunk 2077 is well optimized (before you start hating me. My tactics are non-lethal)

[reef zenith]

It is actually xD

[serene meteor]

I mean I'm down right astonished at how well cyberpunk plays

They took there time

[ebon epoch]

cyberjank is still cyberjank

it runs better, but better than a raging dumpster fire is not necessarily "acceptable".

but I understand that all the gamers in the realm were just pining for an excuse to slobber on that cdprojekt wood

[serene meteor]

Lmao Otto

[ebon epoch]

also re: optimization, monster hunter wilds

that's an entire landfill in flames

[serene meteor]

I'm going to try that game next

[ebon epoch]

by all means, hope you have a 5070ti or higher

[serene meteor]

Let you know how bad it is

Gaming is kinda going backwards in evolution

[ebon epoch]

that is a game that unironically recommends framegen to reach 60 fps on pretty much any card below 4 digits msrp

and people are just gobbling it up

[serene meteor]

Star trek online is well optimized

Most online games have to be

[ebon epoch]

imo developers have just found out that if they fire the entire QA team they can buy so much more coke you guys

also wouldn't it be hilarious if we charged 80 bucks for each release hahaha

sssnnoorrrrtttt

[serene meteor]

I wanna grind there bones into a powder and snort that

Aholes...

I dont care how much development went into a game there is no reason to charge $100 for a game

They getting greedy

[ebon epoch]

right 'cause that's the other thing

$80 = 80€ = 80₤, right

look it's 80 it's the same

[serene meteor]

Lol don't get me started

I need a good space sim

[ebon epoch]

star trucker if you don't mind the arcadeyness

[serene meteor]

Not star citizen either

[ebon epoch]

unironically peak, banger soundtrack too

[serene meteor]

Starfield isn't bad

[ebon epoch]

it's not bad but I wouldn't call it a space game

[serene meteor]

Right

[ebon epoch]

it's better than what a lot of people call it, though I'd hesitate saying it's good

it's very repetitive and the definition of "meh" for the most part.

[serene meteor]

What about elite?

[ebon epoch]

elite is... cheap, so hey.

idk, I sunk like 2k hours into it but that was a long long long time ago, I've really lost its trail by now

[serene meteor]

What about the X games?

[ebon epoch]

I liked 3 a lot back in the day, 4 has a very impressive feature list, but I couldn't get into it. Imo, definitely very clunky. But maybe that's me.

if you want something more hardcore, flight of nova is getting there, slowly but surely

it's not shoot-across-galaxies typical space sim, more like a realistic space trucker, but imo it does what it does very well.

[serene meteor]

No man sky is kid stuff

[ebon epoch]

yeah well they seem to have added a lot to it, though yeah, I do think it's very simplistic anyway

[serene meteor]

What about something I'm good at? Tacticool

Ready or not is good and I've played swat 4

Love those kind of games they show off my tac skills the best (I'm a red shirt)

[ebon epoch]

not a whole lot of tacticool (singleplayer) games to be honest

ron was okay, but I found the AI to be deeply dumb

and unfortunately that's a game that lives and dies by its AI

[serene meteor]

I'm terrible at scripting things which is why the game was dumb

Art work and effects i can do all day but scripting is a coin flip

I did this really cool spark effect spawner for unreal and they seem to be using it in the mechwarrior games.

[tawny thicket]

Cpu runs shit there too

Could you upload a.clip of it happening

[fiery rose]

Yeah will send something over when I can thank you

[ionic remnant]

https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/nvidia-has-never-been-more-dominant-with-gpus-and-that-suggests-amds-rx-9000-models-have-a-pricing-problem

[tawny thicket]

[plucky quail]

Only nation in the west that has bad pricing on the 9000xt is the USA all other have 20%lower. Maybe the Prebuilt market is starving of GPUs and you only see 5060s

[ionic remnant]

Calm down Lisa isnt going to let you hit ong

[past escarp]

id like to add that also some companies (aka activision blizzard) dont have regional prices, or they do, and then usa has lower prices then ukraine

but either way they hasnt created a single good game for the last 5 years

[plucky quail]

She might

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-99ziZT4M4

We have 5080 Super at home

[tawny thicket]

https://youtu.be/u6EuAUjq92k?si=OsER0Z45F-XwKQF5
RT audio

[plucky quail]

I know that i watched months ago. Jumped in my head that we could get that to have better sound in games.
I mean its gonna be like RT you not gonna see the diff but its there if it needs to. Just should not use too much Compute to run else it ends up like actual RT.

[austere crest]

Does S2 have a non-RT mode?

[plucky quail]

No but we have a mod that disables it.

[tawny thicket]

i think the low settings dont have lumen enabled but IDK
was suuupper long ago that i last checked low settings

[tawny thicket]

#CONFIDENCE

[austere crest]

I mean disabling global illumination for baked lighting.

[tawny thicket]

theres no baked lighting in this game or if there is its super shallow

[ionic remnant]

When do you think would be the best time to play the game for the first time properly

The UE update ? Or maybe they got other content planned to come ? A big dlc or something

[tawny thicket]

all i know is that im not playing it until 5.5/.6 then i'll give it a shot
if its still ass, i just wont ever play the game again
EVER

[austere crest]

Ah, crap...that sucks. 😔

[plucky quail]

If the game feels fully done. Like many Quest are missing in fact so many are that modders are finding them and making mods to put them back on fixed.

The game feels still empty maybe if the DLC is out. About Performance i cant talk since 80 FPS is fine for me and everybody has its own PC. So anywhere you like it to be.

After i played the game 2 times i am done and only play if there is something interesting like the guns.

[ionic remnant]

Whens the dlc ? Or not announced yet

[plucky quail]

IDK maybe this year same with the Updates to the engine

[ionic remnant]

I see, sad that the world feels empty

[plucky quail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/504592534081896458/1404857204820934778/roadmap_EN.png?ex=68bbb1fa&is=68ba607a&hm=d6f57874d1998363f524f9c5d29179fc6192daa163bc3c622ce22bc900ad995f&

[ionic remnant]

Will all of these be completed by 2025 tho

[plucky quail]

I mean look what they say below

[tawny thicket]

you know what i might give them another chance at that zone kit phase 2 thing

[plucky quail]

Its still amazing that they needed to rework the Stash how bad its rn. You cant even find cool stuff and we also dont have any cool tech like night vision. Its not even the side missions are dry its the whole game.

[past escarp]

cause the game still is not ready for the release. it looks like they made only like half of core mechanics and called it a release

[ebon epoch]

stash system > unlimited
nvg > oxa

we're getting nvg in 1.6 though so that's one thing people will shut up about

whatever they want to do to the stash system I doubt they'll do it as well as unlimited but hey, I'm all for surprises

but anyway, what could cause [this](#📸┃screens_and_videos message)?

it's like the trees flicker which tanks my performance so hard the supersampling will go into a panic

the only way I've managed to stop it is by clearing the shader cache. I'm on a 5060ti on latest drivers, if that helps

(and no rolling back won't do a thing, it already did it with the jul 29th drivers)

[plucky quail]

Thats just the game. We all have it.

[ebon epoch]

huh, I didn't remember seeing it when I started playing, but it's good to know it's not a me thing

thank you

[plucky quail]

IDK maybe you never noticed

They are there since day one

[ebon epoch]

it's less the flickering and more richter slowly turning into an n64 model lol

[plucky quail]

wait what

[ebon epoch]

richter's textures get worse and worse as the video goes on

[plucky quail]

OH i see it

Yea no idea what Vram you have?

[ebon epoch]

tried to capture it as best as I could without making the video too long

16gb, I think it's less the vram and more the dlss freaking out and trying to keep up (it's on quality)

I have 16gb dedicated gpu memory yes

[plucky quail]

Texture on Max?

[ebon epoch]

high across the board more or less (couple things medium). Quality dlss, 2k

[plucky quail]

Also after the cut did you look at him? Was is still same after it or did it go back?

[ebon epoch]

truth is, I don't think I've seen that happen outside of that cutscene so I'm assuming that's the flickering killing the heck out of my gpu

if I look to the floor it gets better, if not it stays like that

[plucky quail]

The Flicking is there since start its prob something either we didnt notice much or its some new bug.

[ebon epoch]

was just curious if that was a well known thing with an easy solution, don't sweat it, it's not even that big of a deal

[plucky quail]

🤨

[ebon epoch]

I mean if you look to the floor it will increase the fps and the supersampling will stop trying to compensate

like that's the whole deal with supersampling right? It adjusts (mostly) quality to keep up with fps

maybe it's due to the lumen shaders and the 5.5 update will help with that, guess we'll see.

[plucky quail]

I cant remember if this game has that

[ebon epoch]

dlss is a supersampling method

[plucky quail]

If you set quality it will be quality

[plucky quail]

Yea no i mean the adjustments with DLSS

I dont think that exist in the game "yet"

Well does it only happen in cuts or else where?

[ebon epoch]

I haven't seen that happen a whole lot outside of that cutscene in particular

[plucky quail]

If other things just loose Texture then it might just be a bug in the game. It kinda sound like a Vram issue but since you have 16gb it cant be the GPU. And because its not the full game it also doesnt sound like a Driver issue. More a LOD issue of the game in that Scene

[serene meteor]

So did 1.6 get released?

[sweet grove]

no

[serene meteor]

Ok

[ebon epoch]

it's probably going to come out last week of september

or thereabouts

[ashen steppe]

Apologies since I'm off topic but I really need an advice ,I got an Ryzen 5 5600 / 16gbx2 (3600mhz )/ 9060xt 16 gb vram ,I'm currently running an 1080p Asus tuf gaming VG249Q3A 23,6 ips 180hz ,I'm currently planning in buying an oled monitor I found AOC AGON AG276QZD2 26,7 QD-OLED Qhd 240mhz 0.03ms hdr 400 for 414 euro ,should I pull the trigger ? Only reason I wanna upgrade is bcs of the backlight of ips ,plus blurry in 1080p because of TAA ! And I know oled have way better colors and darker darks plus no motion no ghosting ,would be very glad if someone can suggest what to do.

[real kraken]

Hi man, recently I upgrade from my old 1080p 2013 to a brand new 1440p 144hz 2023 with HDR and fast ips, the difference is Huge, so if you got with oled the difference will be even more

The color are more wow than just more pixel (in my opinion)

[compact yacht]

32GB of RAM for gaming is more important than you think, and Valve's new Steam Hardware survey highlights that | TechRadar https://share.google/KiiK2d8ACbXuHCCbg

[coarse linden]

Because most games require 16 so its logical to future proof yourself with 32

And since ram is relatively cheap

[ionic remnant]

you guys made me want to wait more before giving the game an honest try

[ornate forum]

Well I liked it a lot. I didn't keep up with any of the news before release so maybe that helped. If you like the old stalker games, it's more of the same

I'd wait till patch 1.6 before starting a new game though as it fixes a few things. Right now I completed the game on all the endings without any real game breaking bugs, except a couple.stashes I couldn't get to without noclipping/using door unlock mod. Was only minor tbh

[ionic remnant]

But in the old games the world wasnt empty right

[ornate forum]

The world isn't empty, but some of the areas are underutilized for sure. Like you won't go to some areas at all for missions/story depending on the path you choose. Those areas are still full of things to be found

Like the map north of the duty base, in my first playthru I didn't need to go there at all. But there was a ton of stashes and anomalous areas, plenty of a life roaming around and a single side mission that popped up once I visited a certain area

Tbh there were a few areas in the first games that were similar, you may not need to go there more than once if at all. At least in S2 open world map you will visit many places if for no other reason than to pass through to somewhere else. Plus the game isn't fully finished so there's a good chance the unused areas will be fleshed out going forward

That isn't to say the game is perfect, many people were disappointed and rightly so if they read all of the things that were promised and ended up cut due to time constraints and whatever. The choice is yours 😉

[past escarp]

Well you should wait, i think the game is still not ready to being called a release, maybe beta. Awful economy, bad optimisation, world is pretty much empty, but beautiful. You must wait maybe a year or more dor the game to be good

[past escarp]

Well the problem is - s2 has either worse or just dont have some features that were in the past games. When i've played s2 - i never had the need to sleep besides arena questline. In the release there was no shadows from your flashlight, no night vision that was in the past games.
Stamina is straight up awful, even with 2 stormberries you run same 20m, then wait 1sec and then run again, so to have infinite stamine you would have to use old speedrunning method from shadow of chernobyl. They still have a ton of work to do. And i really dont like this open world - stashes dont have any interesting loot, while you run like 1-2km you have 0 interactions with the world, except several fights with mutants that you dont think of as a threat but rather another waste of money, cause everything you buy is expensive as hell and everything you sell is dirt-cheap

[ornate forum]

Sleep for sure needs adjustment, you can go several days before you get tired but can just chuck a can of red bull and be on your way. I think it should be nerfed a bunch, and energy drinks can only push back sleep deprivation for so long
Stamina I think is ok, the earlier games were straight up broken allowing infinite sprint while carrying huge weights, S2 you can still have pretty decent sprint if you keep your weight low
Stashes are mostly low tier as you say, but then again it makes finding the good stashes all that much better and there are plenty of those. 1.6 supposedly fixing that so we'll see
Personally I think the poi to open scenery is fine. I mean in the real world in rural areas you're not going to run into an interesting thing every 3 foot or so. There's plenty of things dotted about to scavenge round though once you've looted a place there's no need to go back. But it's a fine balance, we don't want farcry checkpoints that refill themselves as.soon as you turn your back on them lol
Economy was ok for me, in the hardest mode I would come back from a run with enough loot to repair all my gear and buy one or 2 upgrades. That's all I would need as ammo is plentiful, and if you run out just switch to a different weapon for your next run. I pretty much bought nothing except top tier ammo for my M1 whenever I found it late game not that I really needed to. Once I had the sledgehammer I basically have infinite buckshot and you really don't need to use much else lol

Thing is, most of these balance complaints can be fixed with mods. There are mods to add back in a bunch of cut missions etc also

Night vision is coming in 1.6, but I didn't really miss it anyway

[tawny thicket]

mods shouldnt be necessarry for the game to be semi fun tho

[ornate forum]

There's a bunch of uni tweaks you can do to fix the graphics a bit

[ornate forum]

Well that's subjective, I didn't have any real complaints and had a lot of fun

But yes, you shouldn't have to mod/tweak, but you can

[tawny thicket]

well, good for you
but for me the game felt like a walking simulator with noisy/smeary graphics and terrible performance

[ornate forum]

Hopefully the ue5 engine upgrade will help

You can't please everyone at the end of the day, so it's great there are mods you can use to fix it up to your preference

I mean look at how many ways you can change up the original stalker games lol

Stalker soup I'm looking at you

[tawny thicket]

and 99% of those tweaks straightup suck

[ornate forum]

Yep you need to find the right tweaks

And even then you can't 100% fix the uesmear

[tawny thicket]

well unless you have the DLSS transformer model

[ornate forum]

Yeah I got that which makes it way better

[tawny thicket]

then ive heard its fine
but i dont have it
so the game looks like trash

[plucky quail]

The game is also much larger and you don’t find any interesting mutants 90% of the time you see dogs that don’t even have the act like the dogs in the older games.
It’s still empty some places have nothing tied to it.

[ornate forum]

Yeah that's true enough

[tawny thicket]

genuinely one of the worst looking UE 5 games ice ever played

[ornate forum]

But then that's how the originals were unmodded

[plucky quail]

I modded the game to feel more alive and cuz the ai isn’t the same it just doesn’t fixes with simple mods

[tawny thicket]

actually, not one of its THE worst

it doesnt even run good

[plucky quail]

You would need to reprogram the ai to feel better.

[ornate forum]

At least it's still being worked on, let's how the Alfie can be tweaked further. It's much better than release at least

The ai for sure needs work, I went into this a few days ago how it could be changed up

[tawny thicket]

most UE5 games dont but they at least look good
eg: ARK smear ascended no matter how much i sh't on it i cant deny it looks amazing

anyway

[past escarp]

And also - they added a new mutant-deer, but ive seen it like 1-2 times through my 100h of gameplay

[plucky quail]

They only exist in missions red forest and swamps. Also something making it empty

[past escarp]

i think there was one in pripyat

[ornate forum]

Yeah I got a mission for like 10 horns at malekite, after 200 hours I have 3 lol

[ivory moon]

Hi guys, I have a RTX 3050 4gb (laptop), need advice on which mod to use (nexus mod preferably) to optimize my game because I run it at around 50-60 fps for 2 to 3 ninutes, then I get 4 fps. Pls help lmao

[tawny thicket]

4GB GPU + Stutter 2 = unplayable no matter what

[ivory moon]

I saw on reddit that some mods make it playable, I guess no lmao

[plucky quail]

Not on 4GB

[ivory moon]

Any update planned to optimize it or I have it up my butt

[tawny thicket]

they are gonna update to UE 5.5
but i doubt that 5.5 will help 4GB VRAM

[ivory moon]

Alright, thanks.

It's really sad tho, Stalker is litteraly my type of game (I have more than 500h on stalcraft)

[tawny thicket]

even if your card had more VRAM it still would be a bad experience on that card

[ivory moon]

I mean, just in case I'll refund it but keep it (thx GOG)

[tawny thicket]

do we count lumen as RT ?

(i mean software lumen, HW lumen 100% counts)

[plucky quail]

Uhh i would say not Cuz one its kinda RT but otherwise its not really also. SO its something between.

[tawny thicket]

it (almost) costs as much as RT but it doesnt look nearly as good

[tawny thicket]

i think that most AAA games still have at least some RT option
and i expect more and more games to have RT by the time PS 6 (Xbox next whatever the frack) rolls around

i think games like BF6 are more of an exception (if we count SW lumen as RT)

if we dont count it as RT then BF6 isnt an exception

(since most games are UE 5 these days and most dont have HW lumen)

[plucky quail]

For that also RT needs to get much better in performance. Else its gonna feel really bad at the time mainstream people use that. Like 6070s or 6060 user.

But i think we see less Devs implementing it since they see the slow down in RT Performance Uplift.
They also got much more mature with it not just putting it in because, most people dont use it or cant even use it. Cost to implement and Gives very little back in return. Its like you got used to your new toy and its not exciting as it once was. Not anymore something to put in your marketing as RT ready game.

[plucky quail]

Also note: 12GB GPUs shoulnt exist by 10th gen in any way. 6/7050s would be ok but 12GB on a 6/7060 ( when ever the 10th gen comes out the gen after) as a next gen GPU. With 10th gen Graphics it would be just bad as Nvidia with it being the RT forefront. So most people gonna play 1440P with RT and AI (if thats a feature Nvidia gonna promote next)

[spare coral]

They will go back to 10gb gpus

[ebon epoch]

the 12gb 5070 is egregious planned obsolescence

there's no other reason for that choice other than to make sure the suckers that buy it will be back in a couple years

or, if they're stupid enough, they'll upgrade to the almost 4 figure 5070ti

[plucky quail]

To me it’s crazy that we have 8gb defender. I just said between a 9060xt8 and b580 12gb gpu I would choose 12 for single player and 8 if I play only comp games.
He said that 8gb is enough because cp77 works on his 9060xt. So vram is apparently overblown

[ebon epoch]

I mean in a vacuum

honestly I kept getting warnings about 8 gb and now that I have a 16gb vram card, I'm seeing that I almost never go past 6 on the games despite how much they like screaming to me about your puny amount of vram

but I mean yeah, considering the industry standards and how optimizing your games apparently is for losers, yeah, 8gb is cutting it short probably

but 12 is... almost insulting honestly, considering the 5060ti is 16gb and half the price of a 5070

[hollow kettle]

12gb on 5070 is so sad to me. Like that should be a 16gb card 100%. So dumb that it isn't imo. I am glad 5070 was out of stock when i tried to order on launch day. Got my 9070 the following day and couldn't be happier xD

[thorny remnant]

I am not against 8gb cards existing
Its just the how

5060 8gb 5060ti 16gb and make clear that is the budget option
Like the rx580/480 existed has both 4gb and 8gb model

Or call it 5060E like amd doas for cpus

The thing with vram is has long you are below that magic line everything runs great but the moment you go above it everything grinds to a halt

[ebon epoch]

For the record I think 8gb vram should absolutely be enough for any game in the market and until I guess 8k becomes the new standard if games were optimized like they should

Particularly considering that the same game whining about vram will use an internal resolution that would make a 2010 game blush, and will end up looking like smeared shit anyway

It'd be bad enough if developers would pass on costs to the consumer if gpus were appropriately priced, nevermind if they didn't try to charge you double because inflation you see

I kinda put up with the absolute state of things when the crypto boom but now it's evident it was never about shortages, demand or technical reasons, just companies trying to justify fleecing the consumer out of pure greed

But yeah if your game needs more than 8gb vram you're doing the gaming equivalent of loading your media player with flac files: inefficient, unnecessary, and to no appreciable benefit

[coarse linden]

Minecraft does have RT tho

[coarse linden]

24GB on 5070 would have been too much really considering other cards

[snow torrent]

Stalkers, one of my friends is driving me crazy! he has a 4090 and a 9950x3d and says the game is unplayable. Seriously. The game has its problems, but it's far from unplayable, isn't it???

[plucky quail]

Not anymore or least the support is dropped since a bit.

[plucky quail]

Even with him being able to play the game performs like shit.

[tawny thicket]

well at least the bedrock version
java doesnt have it

[coarse linden]

"There are no changes planned to ray tracing for Windows with the announcement of Vibrant Visuals. Ray tracing for Windows will continue to perform on all supported devices as before, even once Vibrant Visuals is released."

[tawny thicket]

outside of mods and shader packs

[coarse linden]

Pretty sure RT was never supported on java version

[ebon epoch]

depends on his definition of "unplayable"

[tawny thicket]

https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/amd-is-allocating-more-resources-to-rdna-3-fsr-4-support-leaker-claims/

[ebon epoch]

he should be more than able to do 4k epic at 60 fps for sure

[tawny thicket]

there are some shader packs that have RT
Certainly some with PT even

[tawny thicket]

Minecraft definitely benefits a lot from RT tho

[plucky quail]

It doesnt get Updates anymore its also kinda broken.
The consoles dont support it since 2022.
The feature is just shadow dropped with support.

You can try to turn it on but it will take some time to fix the issues.

[plucky quail]

[tawny thicket]

Bruh

[plucky quail]

They made already INT8 Versions of the Upscaler that the upsie type released

[tawny thicket]

The int8 models were really old tho

[ebon epoch]

I mean it's not, but it should

[tawny thicket]

Like 2024 old
And they really didn't look good

[coarse linden]

Consoles can go f themselfs as far as im considered

[tawny thicket]

I heavily disagree

[ebon epoch]

absolute #pc-specs behavior

[coarse linden]

I mean why should i care when i dont own one lol

[plucky quail]

Yea but they worked on them and are working on the PS5 version that also need a tweaked FSR4 version.

[tawny thicket]

There's only one game i know that doesn't spill over 8GB at 1080 max settings and textures look really low res there

[plucky quail]

Real but PC has a broken RT version that doesnt work and 2022 showed they dont want to work on RT in any way anymore

[tawny thicket]

Like 480
And the game really could use higher res textures

[ebon epoch]

conversely, I don't think I've seen a game go over 6 gb even on high res pack

the highest I can think of is mohun wilds, which does not go over 6 gb on 2k with the hi res pack
will bish up a storm about it while doing it, but it won't.

[late ferry]

ottomic has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tawny thicket]

Im not buying that

[plucky quail]

I see many games run to 12GB on 1440P question is how old is your game?

[ebon epoch]

wilds? It's come out like 5 months ago?

[plucky quail]

Even RDR2 runs on 1440P on 12GB with all max

[tawny thicket]

MHW consmued 12GB~ for me at 1080p without even being at max settings
Oh, and that's just the benchbark of the thing

[plucky quail]

And ok i am on AMD but that would make it 2GB less at most for NVidia so 10GB for them

[ebon epoch]

famously wilds is probably the most unoptimized game I've ever laid my eyes on in every single aspect so that's why I like putting it as an example.

[coarse linden]

Only game that i have seen go over 10 is Cyberpunk with PT tbh

[plucky quail]

What that game uses on a 4070S over 12GB vram

[coarse linden]

Games that i have played

[plucky quail]

Its unplayeble at native 1440P cuz you get that 5 fps ahh gameplay

[tawny thicket]

Were you playing it on an 8GB GPU when you last tested it ?
That would explain a lot

[ebon epoch]

I have on a 3070 8gb and a 5060ti 16

rdr2 I might believe, because 50% of the reason rockstar made that game was because they deliberately wanted to fill in the "crysis" niche on the gaming market

[coarse linden]

Tad over 30 on native. DLSS quality gets me to 60

[tawny thicket]

And the "6GB VRAM use" is from playing on the 5060 TI, yes ?

[ebon epoch]

yes, 2k on the hi res pack

[tawny thicket]

[ebon epoch]

might have also tried it in 4k but to be honest I've bludgeoned my head repeatedly trying to get the memory I've ever played that game out tbh

[tawny thicket]

Okay, maybe they reduced VRAM usage since the benchbark but that just doesnt sound plausible

[coarse linden]

Sad that old 32bit games with high res texture packs are bloody useless

[plucky quail]

Quality gives me eye seizure with texture pops and it wasnt the usual game popin.

[ebon epoch]

and, my point is not that it can go over, you can make a white square need 32 gb of ram

my point is, it should absolutely not take that much if the game was halfway well optimized

[coarse linden]

Seemed just fine for me. Was running the transformer model

[ebon epoch]

like, you can point at the most unoptimized game in god's green earth and be like "see see it takes so much vram you guys", that doesn't make it a good example

[plucky quail]

Me too

Just the Vram overflowing and changing res

[ebon epoch]

"8 gb vram cards aren't enough you guys, have you even played yandere simulator"

[plucky quail]

Basically anything with RT destroys 8gb and knocks at the 12GB door

[coarse linden]

You can make 8gb work if you want to

[plucky quail]

You can do the same with 6Gb

[coarse linden]

Absolutely

[tawny thicket]

it just wont look great

[plucky quail]

but 94% of people look like this

https://tenor.com/view/tryan-trying-blocks-block-head-tryan-blocks-gif-13157134546106029566

[ebon epoch]

I mean don't get me wrong, I think it's great that we have 16gb+ cards

[coarse linden]

Looks great to them and they are happy to be playing so who are you to judge

[ebon epoch]

I'm just saying game developers are getting way too comfy with that

[plucky quail]

So they never gonna get how to get it running on 6 or 8gb GPU

[coarse linden]

Modern consoles give them too much leeway to get sloppy

[plucky quail]

Oh it will if you just turn Nvidia AI-Nicer on

Will make the game look better with psi emissions

[ebon epoch]

when we reach the point where games are relying on framegen to reach 60 fps on anything but a 4-figure gpu I think some pause for thought might be in order

[coarse linden]

framegen should not exist tbh

[tawny thicket]

so games should use more than 8GB VRAM unless youre at 8K ?
thats what you said at the begining

[plucky quail]

thats another thing you cant use FG to even 1.5x your FPS on 8gb GPU

[ebon epoch]

all the while looking like this I might add.

[tawny thicket]

well, i mean in a realistic looking game
in games with more unique/simpler artstyles im sure you could get away with 6GB

[plucky quail]

or even 4gb 6500XT 🙂

[tawny thicket]

whoever took that screenshot was either running out of VRAM or was on low settings

[ebon epoch]

I'm saying games should put in a decent effort to utilize the hardware

[ebon epoch]

hi res pack on 4k on a 16gb vram card, but you didn't take the screenshot and don't own the game so I understand that you wouldn't know.

[plucky quail]

That looks ugly like game from 2015 that got bit of a mod for the cha

[ebon epoch]

right, that's my friggin point you guys

like I get the feeling we're not talking about the same games I've personally played

does that look like a game that utilizes its hardware properly?
while needing framegen to even smell 60 fps?

[tawny thicket]

im betting whoever took that screenshot is running out of VRAM then
if not then MHW is the least optimized game in my memory

[ebon epoch]

it's my screenshot and I can assure you, I wasn't over even 6 gb

[tawny thicket]

okay, then its bugged if it didnt go over 6

[plucky quail]

That just means that the devs need to optimize for the XboxS to fit for the 12GB it has or it was some Vram issue that shit should not look like that

[ebon epoch]

or, it's just a shit optimized game.

okay, thank you

[tawny thicket]

it is but it shouldnt look like that regardless

[plucky quail]

I hope GTA6 doesnt support the XboxS that shit should not be even existing

[ebon epoch]

THAT'S BEEN MY POINT ALL ALONG JESUS

...which is heartbreaking for a capcom game, which I have always kept in high regards when it comes to making their games look good without massive performance overheads

[tawny thicket]

something somewhere is bugged in that shot.
i cant imagine thats actually what those settings should look like

[ebon epoch]

but, when you fire your entire QA department and put your game up at 80 bucks you can get a second lambo at virtually no downsides

[ebon epoch]

it is an absolute shitshow and I have oh so many more examples.

[tawny thicket]

TBH it could also be driver bug for all we know
thus not even devs fault

[ebon epoch]

like it is truly concerning that AAA games are coming out at these standards and people just gobble it up and be like "well you see you clearly haven't spent enough money this year on a gpu"

[coarse linden]

wait wtf... motherboard ive been eyeing suddenly went up by 60€ on all stores... this is bs

[tawny thicket]

gotta get ya to pay moare

[plucky quail]

600 Mobo or was it a 800 one?

[coarse linden]

B850

[ebon epoch]

tariffs shmariffs or whatever they can can come up with this week

[plucky quail]

Asrock or Gigabyte

[coarse linden]

MSI lol

[plucky quail]

Oh hell no they doing some stuff

[coarse linden]

Figured i could give them a shot since its more or less only motherboard maker that i havent tried

[tawny thicket]

i feel bad for people in the US trying to buy tech HW right now

[coarse linden]

Im not from murica

[plucky quail]

They have a cool screenshot option in the Bios but i also dont know how save that feature is

[tawny thicket]

good
you're free den

[ebon epoch]

don't you know, you can just take the price on the US and simply... put the same number on another currency

it makes things so much more simple and convenient for your consumers!

[coarse linden]

Or i could take price from murica and add 25% tax on it to get my price

Well screw MSI then... Asus board it is

Since Asrock feels bit too much of a gamble

But damn do Asrock have decent pricing...

[plucky quail]

Imo Asus kinda let them self bit down. Asrock is so strong but nobody wants to buy it lol

[tawny thicket]

heck
i think its pretty funny
im playing NMS right now
mostly runs fine
but its using more than 10GB of VRAM at 1080p even though it has a very simplistic artstyle
and on top of that, i have a memory leak so after 4 hours of playing it uses 16GB and then i eventually crash

[plucky quail]

They kinda need to fix the GPU leaks

[coarse linden]

Save 40€ and gamble will your 9800X3D commit sudoku or pay 40€more and you can be tad more sure that it wont

[tawny thicket]

for all the hate UE5 has been getting for it supposedly using a lot of VRAM UE 5 is actually pretty decent with VRAM IMO

like i dont think ive seen a UE5 game go above 12GB of VRAM use at 4K max
(maybe its just my memory being bad but still)
even in my own experienceUE5 games have been pretty tame almost never going above 10GB for me

tho TBF i had a much worse expereince on my 6600

[plucky quail]

Or get Gigabyte for 20€ save 🙂

[coarse linden]

Currently have Gigabyte and im bit fed up with them and their lazy bios releases

[tawny thicket]

maybe its just a problem for low end cards cuz it doesnt scale down very well
like most UE5 games will mostly keep their assets really high quality even at low

[coarse linden]

• Their idea of thermal pads is electricity tape on chipset

[plucky quail]

there are games that use more Vram at 4k but not that much vs other games

[plucky quail]

Yea especially since the 13th 14th gen things they react so slow it took 2 weeks after i think asus released their update for just the intel wattage update and 3weeks after asus for the first microcode. Just pain

[tawny thicket]

i wouldnt buy asus just cuz of their warrant situation but maybe thats just me

[plucky quail]

I think its just hard for them to lower vram usage with SW RT

[plucky quail]

They just gave up on improvements

[tawny thicket]

yeah thats true
tho most games also have the problem where they dont scale down their assets and textures very much from the higher settings

[plucky quail]

Its neither using low vram nor high amounts something in between to other engines.

[tawny thicket]

like theres a bunch of games where if i go down in texture settings to like llow textures are PS 2-3 level
while in almost every UE 5 game im still being greeted by pretty high res textures

there is an exception tho
satisfactory lets you go down to PS 2 level textures lol and the game can actually run on a 4GB card too

even max doesnt go above 8GB at 1080p in that game tho

[plucky quail]

I am still the opinion Xbox s shouldn’t exist and Nvidia 8gb GPUs and PS4 support.

World without them would be much better

[coarse linden]

Now do it with PS2 level CPU

[tawny thicket]

AMD 8GB cards shouldnt exist either

[tawny thicket]

what does a CPU have to do with textures ?

[coarse linden]

Nothing but you can run that game on potato GPU but lesser cpu and it will just die

[plucky quail]

Do it with ps3 cpu

Not even running on x86 good luck porting your game

[coarse linden]

I mean they did port games

Ran like ass

[plucky quail]

Yea

[tawny thicket]

i guess
but its a 3D factory builder in a pretty heavy engine so i think it makes sense

[plucky quail]

What a time to be alive every game running like shit. After we had good time at ps4 era and now again back to shit.

[ionic remnant]

I keep thinking about a 3nm 6070Ti with 24gb GDDR7X vram

How amazing that gpu would be if its 750 usd / eur

[coarse linden]

Ye keep thinking because it aint happening

[ionic remnant]

The price maybe not but the 3nm and 24gb its quite possible

[tawny thicket]

TBH i would be fine with 8GB cards if they were at more like 200€~
but at above 300 they just shouldnt exist

[plucky quail]

Keep thinking
laughing in 10070XT 32gb

[ionic remnant]

70XT wont be 32gb
Only 80XT

[plucky quail]

Jk chill

[ionic remnant]

Maybe 24

[plucky quail]

They just gonna reduce bandwidth and put same 18gb on

[ionic remnant]

Honestly 18 is really good for 1440p

24 is future proof

32 is for 4k

[plucky quail]

Yea but they gonna do all and reduce cost instead of giving same with just improvements

It would actually be a good thing if Nvidia gives you 24gb instead of neutering the gpu

[tawny thicket]

also, playing NMS
its crazy just how buggy this game still is lol

[plucky quail]

I played the prologue and stoped cuz I couldn’t end it because of a bug for progression

[ionic remnant]

Insane

Rn honestly i prefer just skipping games and buy them a year later for cheaper and for a more complete game

[ashen steppe]

Thank u I got an 1080 ips 180hz,I seen the "budget oled" all review say it amazing ,my only worry was performance lol

Not sure if 9060xt can push that much,it an great card with fsr and frame gen through

Usually 200 fps even in triple AAA games ,I was able too run cyberpunk with path tracing using frame gen and fsr lol

[real kraken]

I use max settings in 1440p with Rx 7800XT so 9060 xt should be fine (9060xt = 7700XT) so in the worst case just change some settings from ultra to high...it will d'ont hurt you

The GPU is very capable d'ont worry

Or just enable Framegen if you want more frame, it's like magic, the input lag is not visible

[ebon epoch]

but why if you can put it at 1500 and those dumbfuccs will still buy it

also why not just put just enough vram to make sure they need to update next generation

You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers

[coarse linden]

Tbf people who update every gen are kinda dumb

But you know how it is, consume and throw away

[hollow kettle]

Have you guys heard that leak/rumor about next gen radeon cards having LPDDR6 memory. Any of you ever heard of this?

Pretty sure the original source was Moores law is dead though so take it with a grain of salt lol from what I just read, it is low power video memory mainly used in mobile devices & AI applications. But it has super high bandwidth while also low power consumption. Sounds decent I guess. If they can get it to work for dgpus

But why use LPDDR6 over GDDR7 🤔

[past escarp]

maybe prices, maybe they just made like 1-2 engineering samples to just see how it will work and if it is a good idea

[ionic remnant]

Give us 2nm gpus

[tawny thicket]

honestly i just highly doubt a hybrid model of 2 CNN's can look as good as a full fat transformer model

so while i think redstone will make it much closer to DLSS TRN, i dont think it will actually match it

[ionic remnant]

Mmm, I see but it might have more performance

I am trying to find graphs comparing Arctic freezer 3 360 pro vs 280 pro

But the 280 model seems niche and not easy to find

Found one camparing the non pro ones

[coarse linden]

Moore is idiot

[ionic remnant]

Moore has been "leaking" amd lately a bit too much

With the wildest rumors. I am starting to lose any trust i have

[coarse linden]

All you need to do is invent rumor and send message to him about it and he will run with it

[coarse linden]

LPDDR6 is still slower then GDDR7

Hell barely even gets close to GDDR6

[tawny thicket]

remember the "N48 wont have hardware encoding" rumor

[hollow kettle]

Dude every "rumor" that Moores guy says, this ither channel named "Gamer Meld" takes it and uses it to make "news/leak" videos too 😂 I swear they gotta be brothers or something 😂😂

Wolf said I am now lvl 29. I wonder if new role is lvl 30 or 40 🤔

[tawny thicket]

gamer mald is a lil' b'tch who takes every little rumor leak and runs with it

[hollow kettle]

Yeah he is basically moore law little brother 🤣

[tawny thicket]

even if those leaks and rumors are just false stupid bullsh't

[plucky quail]

I know what the vram leak is. It’s the afmf it jumped on rdr2 from 12gb to 18and after 15min 19 even with it turned off it raising vram usage.

[hollow kettle]

I am getting vram leak in no mans sky really bad after the latest corvette patch. Start at 13gb & within 30 minutes or so it will be 15.9gb+

Also still memory leak in some areas of this game for me. I tried to do the "in the name of science" mission again after like 3 or 4 months. Still cant

[plucky quail]

It’s now fixed and back to 13gb but there is some issue

[hollow kettle]

I hope it isnt 25.8.1 driver issue

[tawny thicket]

oh me too

[hollow kettle]

Nah bc even nvidia user told me tney have nms issue too

[hollow kettle]

I think it is storing some data from proceduraly generated things & then never "unloading" that data. Or something

However that word is spelled lol

[tawny thicket]

what word ?

[plucky quail]

@tawny thicket @hollow kettle did you guys see the new driver update

[hollow kettle]

25.9.1 release?!

[plucky quail]

Now you can turn fsr4 in ever game on that has 3.1

[tawny thicket]

oh
so they finally went for the blacklist ?
nice

[hollow kettle]

I hope it also works for microsoft store/game pass titles

Bc a lot of them dont even show up in Adrenalin at all and if i try to manually add, it says no permission.

[plucky quail]

With the new driver?

Test it

[hollow kettle]

I havent tested new driver yet but it has been this way for every driver since i owned this gpu. I think it is bc the license thing is different when you install via game pass Vs purchasing it & installing. Idk i could be wrong. But that kinda makes sense as to why it would say "no permission" when I try to add

Got my driver installing right now

[hollow kettle]

it says this in driver release notes under known issues "Intermittent application crash or driver timeout may be observed while loading a saved game in Cyberpunk 2077 with Path Tracing enabled"

So maybe if i load up my save, disable PT, exit, load up save again, enable PT and then try playing it would work 🤔

[tawny thicket]

huh

[hollow kettle]

didnt you tell me recently that you are still crashing in cyberpunk with path tracing?

oh no WAY DUDE 25.9.1 is awesome! no mans sky has fsr4 now!

[plucky quail]

You want test?

[hollow kettle]

oh nvm it just has the fsr 4 toggle on every game now automatically and says "enable if supported"
i was so excited 😭

[tawny thicket]

NMS only has 2.0
lel

[hollow kettle]

lol yeah i was hoping it got an upgrade

[plucky quail]

So what about games that have FSR3.1 and didnt support FSR4? does it work?

[coarse linden]

Welp Asus just started too good discount to pass on B850 board

180€ discounted price + cashback deal of 20€

Decent VRM too so i wonder where is the catch lol

[plucky quail]

Not selling well I guess. One 9000 is not that good and sec the customer service

[snow torrent]

theres not a bigh difference. radiator size is almost the same

[coarse linden]

Well havent had chance to deal with their non existing customer service so far

[plucky quail]

I hope amd stays at a same playing field like now when the full Ai boom in games happen. With ai dialogue and that stuff

[coarse linden]

Does AMD even have AI dialogue in the works?

[plucky quail]

I think it would work with anyone’s gpu no? I mean I can imagine the first 2-3 games gonna be the feature showcase for Nvidia. But the GPUs should be able to support if it’s getting supported broadly and not be a gen behind because the ai power lacks

[coarse linden]

Like Nvidia ACE i doubt it will run on AMD gpu just because its nvidia shenanigans

[plucky quail]

Yea I know that why I said we gonna have those games that are Nvidia showcase.

[coarse linden]

Thus once again AMD plays catch up and comes up with their version 2 years later

[plucky quail]

That’s why I hope they don’t have lacking ai power if it comes out and with a api update it will be able to run just like that. But that’s just hope they don’t fck all up again. Sometimes they are too stupid to see the future in front of them

[coarse linden]

If they want Radeon to be taken seriously they need to start innovating like back in the old hairFX/hairworks battle era

Both camps came up some bs after bs but damn did the stuff go forward

[austere crest]

Why do we need AI dialogues?

[coarse linden]

So they can fire writers

[plucky quail]

True. If I would be in the development team on amd. Just if I would implement sound traced for combination of cpu and gpu Harmonie to accelerate the processing.

And the ai dialogue

[austere crest]

Firing writers is fine. AI dialogues...I'll pass.

[coarse linden]

lol

[plucky quail]

Hell yea

[coarse linden]

Back to good old days when having soundcard gave you more fps?

[plucky quail]

It makes even more sense cuz amd has the best CPUs already for competitive games and it would just make sense to secure that area.

[plucky quail]

Yea just that you get
More fps with full amd Build and better sound

2x advantage

[coarse linden]

Tbh im still rocking Soundblaster card lol

[austere crest]

You know, we need things to work at low and mid-end too.

[plucky quail]

I have still 2 on my desk but sadly they only are pci

[plucky quail]

Yea buy amd

Else fps go not stonks

[coarse linden]

Skill issue if you cant locate folk with sounds we have

Nice thing about this new mobo im getting its got Pcie x1 slot so i can keep using the soundcard lol

[austere crest]

I got an i5-11400.

[coarse linden]

Integrated ones are probably fine these days but what can pleb do when they are set in old ways

[plucky quail]

Not that r6 has a issue if the when something has a Tini hole it sounds diff then it should be. Game sounds are really good alread but like rt you can push it even more

[coarse linden]

Skill issue

[plucky quail]

Not gigabytes or least is my experience from switching from that to dac

[plucky quail]

It’s not skill issue if I still get the kill

[coarse linden]

Cmon just give the 300€ razer yougurt can gamers a chance then

[austere crest]

He's too greedy.

[plucky quail]

A what is that real?

[coarse linden]

Joke about these gAmERrr brands that sell you plastic dogshit

[austere crest]

https://tenor.com/view/charlotte-caniggia-barbie-girl-barbie-song-gif-946975556244324666

Blame her.

[plucky quail]

I mean it’s not far from being true

[coarse linden]

Ye not much clue about integrated just that one should avoid boards with ALC 4080 since those run on usb interface

But if you are not snob like that you might as well buy usb yougurt cans in the first place

[austere crest]

I get 20 FPS on an i5-11400, 40 GB RAM, A750 and SSD. It's fine, NGL. Don't need stonks.

[plucky quail]

No we are talking about amd inventing new tech and implement it in cpu gpu combination to get the lowest loss of performance but the best audio

[austere crest]

Think that'll cost a lot of money.

[plucky quail]

The tech is already on hardware just needs better implementation to run even faster and better since more sound rays make better sound so medium for most people that are non amd and high for people that have a amd CPU and gpu.

[austere crest]

Fair enough. Wonder how much performance RT sound will cost.

[coarse linden]

Eh knowing AMD nothing will happen on that front until Nvidia does it

[coarse linden]

In theory it should not affect much

[austere crest]

Theories are...well, theories. Reality is far less glamorous.

NVIDIA introduced RTX and it caused a massive performance loss...still does, NGL. Path-tracing is even worse.

[coarse linden]

There was no illusion that ray traced lights will tank the FPS. There is reason why they waited 30 years to bring it into reality

[plucky quail]

Just if I would be head of amds dev team. Rt sound would still cost some the gpu could take. without at same time giving too much load on the cpu.
Would be still miles lighter than normal rt since color calculations and many other sounds can be just traditionally calculated like a clock that is just ambient noise.

[austere crest]

Except they tried to push it as the ultimate goal...when it still wasn't ready.

Doing 1080p, 60 FPS with full path-tracing and native resolution on a --50 series card = ready. Not the crap we have today.

[coarse linden]

And games started barely running 720p 20fps

Gotta start somewhere

[plucky quail]

Denoiser could be also come helpful with it median between 2 traces

[plucky quail]

But also every gen changed the graphics by a giant bit. Now it feels like we didn’t advance much since 2018

[austere crest]

Only when it's ready. That's when you put it on the market. Not an alpha, not a beta, not an omega, but a full, complete 1.0.

Early-access is ruining things, NGL.

[coarse linden]

So half the games from past 20 years should have never be released

[austere crest]

You know that's not what I said, right?

[coarse linden]

Experimental features and all that

[austere crest]

Yea...complete the features or don't include them, being my point. Don't have a forever experiment.

[plucky quail]

I mean you can start that but never you needed to suffer when you didn’t use the feature.
Now you suffer cuz you need to pay in something extra that you not gonna use. Like 500$ more expensive gpu.

[coarse linden]

Things cant progress without experimenting

[austere crest]

Yes, except you experiment in a laboratory. Not in public use.

CP2077 is a great example...RT was included but not mandatory, meaning the game still worked without RT.

Now, if RT had been mandatory, I wonder how well that would've gone, eh?

[coarse linden]

That wont lead anywhere since its not you making the games using that experimental tech

How much Cyberpunk RT evolved over time?

[austere crest]

Yes, so like the CP2077 example above, experiment optionally. Forcing it on users just to 'progress' is a bad way to go about it.

[coarse linden]

That i agree

Even when it means more work for developers

That reflects into end product

[austere crest]

Yes. That's my entire point. If you're going to release a feature for experimentation, make sure the rest of the program or whatever works fine without it. If it doesn't, don't release it. If it does and if you don't break anything, then you're fine to experiment.

[austere crest]

This is why I've always been an iGPU gamer. GPUs are too expensive for anything besides commercial use (for me).

[plucky quail]

experimental AA was big back then and you never needed to pay if you didn’t use it. So it was something the people used that would actually pay extra for it.

[coarse linden]

I mean i do understand devs opting to use only RT in their game since having one pipeline is lot simpler and how much it saves time and work

[austere crest]

So do I, but developers seem to forget that they're making products for an audience and not themselves.

And it's not just RT but anything else. Developer might have an HEDT; audience doesn't.

[coarse linden]

No they are making games to survive in this cursed globe

Passion and love for the job is long gone on that industry

[austere crest]

Not yet...even 'non-photo-realistic' games are being made and sold...the indie scene. Most recent one being Silksong. People love it enough to have 500,000 sales in a single day.

But, of course...the bigger you aim, the more the capital 'investment', the more the 'share-holders', the more the 'RoI' to be extracted...

[plucky quail]

Yea but the same they could just make all of Hand and not part rt and part traditional. That doesn’t really eliminates the issue

[austere crest]

Issue remains of ambitious goals...and then not working towards that goal or falling short for some or the other reason and then making excuses.

Reminds me of Atomic Heart...developer casually tells everyone that any performance can be recouped via DLSS. And that's when DLSS is for lower-end PCs, not for normal usage.

[plucky quail]

Basically Ubisoft is big in the rt forced thing and look at them they are loosing big money.

[coarse linden]

Eh personally dont like Silksong

[plucky quail]

Even tho they are amd sponsored lol

[coarse linden]

But thats more of me disliking the visual genre of it

[coarse linden]

That token RT in far cry was a joke.. Even more of a joke that AMD neutered it so it would run on their hardware lol

[austere crest]

Right, and I understand that, but the point remains. You don't need the latest technology. You can make a game that breaks sales records on the Doom engine and win.

Technology is merely an excuse. And that's why I hate the nonsense of 'progress'. We don't need photo-realistic games. Capping graphics at a point is fine. It won't kill anyone to forever have HL2 graphics or Doom graphics or Crysis graphics. It's irrelevant, honestly.

[plucky quail]

Or the new china game I forgot that had so bad performance they forced upscaling

[plucky quail]

Far cry was forced rt??

[austere crest]

Huh, which one?

[coarse linden]

It was not forced
As far as i remember... Havent been paying too much attention to that overmilked series since Far cry 4

[plucky quail]

Wuchang or some

[austere crest]

Ah...yea, I remember that.

Steam

WUCHANG: Fallen Feathers

WUCHANG: Fallen Feathers is a soulslike, action RPG set in the land of Shu during the dark and tumultuous late Ming Dynasty, plagued with warring factions and a mysterious illness spawning monstrous creatures.…

Price

$49.99

Recommendations

39740

Metacritic

77

▶ Play video

[plucky quail]

Damn of a ass game

Wrong ping lol

[austere crest]

Yep. Modern developers (or rather, modern anything) is made from complacence, honestly; it's a joke.

[coarse linden]

Dont need it but nice to see some of those games trying to push boundaries

Now if the big ones would shed the unreal shackle and start doing their own engines and leave it for indies to print slop we could get somewhere nice

[austere crest]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-it-cost-sånn-540-thanos-gamora-everything-gif-16257194221021082175

[coarse linden]

Few angry redditors and complete steam forum meltdown

[austere crest]

And more and more powerful hardware, more e-waste, more this, more that, more me ranting... 😔

[coarse linden]

Cant beat the silent majority so best ya can do is buy what makes sense to you

[plucky quail]

I hope that we Get better GPUs and a more active ATI

[coarse linden]

I hope voodoo makes comeback

[plucky quail]

For the future

[coarse linden]

They will save us surely

[plucky quail]

Hell yea 3d nah make it this time 4d brake physics

[austere crest]

True. iGPU FTW! Well, iGPU and at least 64 GB dual-channel.

[coarse linden]

Really could have used iGPU few years back

But noooo AMD was too cheap

[austere crest]

I wish I'd gone AMD in 2021...

[plucky quail]

Yea the igpu strat

[austere crest]

I actually got the i5-11400 for the Xe Graphics...not that it doesn't work, but...eh...

Intel's drivers have driven me insane, NGL. Also, WHO THE HELL PUT UP A 15-SECOND SLOW-MODE?!?!?!?!?!?!

[coarse linden]

I havent even looked at intel since ryzens tbh

Lot less after they decided to have brainfart of big.LITTLE instead you know producing proper cpu

All those years stuck on Skylake and that is what they came up

[plucky quail]

But I also couldn’t seen intel beating amd with 12 pcores

[coarse linden]

Sure they could with 500w power use

And another 500w for peltier cooler

[austere crest]

At least 12th generation functioned. 13th and 14th went to shit.

[austere crest]

I went Intel since historically, everyone I knew had Intel, so figured if I got dead hardware, it MIGHT just be compatible.

Next time, I'm doing AMD.

[coarse linden]

Until they get head out of their asses intel wont be option for me

They dug their own grave now they can lie in it

[austere crest]

Considering that now the US Government has their head up Intel's butt...slim chance.

Though, at least, they won't die. USG got unlimited money either ways.

[coarse linden]

Yeap they have become near immortal

Free backdoors for everyone

Oh wait not for everyone

[austere crest]

Everyone in the NSA/CIA. 😏

[coarse linden]

Eww... Store forcefully included norton bloatware code on my order

Free but still... Eww

[plucky quail]

Hopium that their 3d chip gonna bring them top with ok pricing meaning least not over amds

[austere crest]

https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-14318384540422820315

[coarse linden]

Cope

[plucky quail]

Question is what do I want more cpu competition or more gpu competition. Both is not possible since amd clearly can’t put the money in to both of them in the same time

[coarse linden]

Thing is.. They dont care what you want

[plucky quail]

That’s why they can’t invest in both sides

They don’t care enough to increase consumer sector

[austere crest]

Money is in enterprise.

[coarse linden]

Consumers just pay for their R&D

There is no profit to be made

[plucky quail]

Not even that it’s more side hustle

[coarse linden]

Consumers demand this and that while enterprise just stfu and order more

[plucky quail]

R&d is made in the big market we get the crumbs

Or we just get the software for the hardware they made in the enterprise

[austere crest]

Glad I'm not one of 'em. 😏

[plucky quail]

“Buy more ,get it from the back more” or something

[austere crest]

"The more you spend, the more you save."

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[coarse linden]

You can trust the leather jacket man

[austere crest]

But...if I don't buy ANY GPUs, I save ALL my money. Give me a better deal, Jensen.

[coarse linden]

But then you dont get to experience all the modern unreal slop

[austere crest]

Thank heavens for that!

See...life might not be the best game with the best missions, but it's INFINITELY better than consumerism. 😏

So Jensen can buy his jacket off Bezos' private trust fund.

[coarse linden]

Pretty sure he actually owns the factory that makes those

[austere crest]

https://tenor.com/view/gamers-nexus-nvidia-3080ti-gpu-money-printer-gif-21792843

[austere crest]

Yea, I mean...he's owned NVIDIA for how long, now? 30 years?

https://tenor.com/view/linus-torvalds-linus-nvidia-fuck-you-gif-19475186

'Nuff said.

[ionic remnant]

2nm 7Ghz x3D amd cpu would be the last cpu you ever need

[tawny thicket]

i think they did actually fix it

[plucky quail]

The power actually scares me

[coarse linden]

What should scare you is the price

[tawny thicket]

I went from 15 to 8GB of VRAM usage on PT

and now im certain the reason PT was crashing was due to a VRAM leak

[coarse linden]

AMD drivers strike again?

[tawny thicket]

wdym ?

its fine now

even if PT still runs like ass : (

[tawny thicket]

i think the 5060 TIE is like 35% faster in PT

so relatively ass

[hollow kettle]

My vram usage always has been ~13gb with psycho RT and with PT same or a bit less actually. About to try now. Kcd2 got a huge patch today also so been checking that out

[tawny thicket]

RT phsyco was 13GB for me before

[hollow kettle]

No mans sky it start with 13-14gb used then within minutes it is 15.9 - 16.1gb

[tawny thicket]

now im sure its gonna be like 8 or somethin'

[hollow kettle]

Surprisingly my fps doesnt really drop hardly at all in nms even with over 16gb vram usage. Maybe from 90 fps to 50-60 for just a millisecond then back to normal. Rarely does it drop like that though

[hollow kettle]

With max graphics settings too? And what resolution 1080p?

[tawny thicket]

cyberprank does look really really good with PT tho

[hollow kettle]

I tried using VSR to play wolfesntein new order but it destroyed my colors on my monitor even at desktop. There is bad shimmer & old AA in that game. It runs on OpenGL graphics API. Only game I ever seen this lol

And it isnt even that old

[hollow kettle]

Yeah with path tracing at 1440p all max everything fsr 4 performance i get 60 fps experience lol it is worth it imo as long as the crashes are fixed

Especially now with xess sdk you can use that frame gen. Way better than the in game fsr 3 fg imo

Did they ever add 3.1 frame gen? Is there even 3.1 fg?

[tawny thicket]

try injecting CMAA and SMAA with reshade
will take a bit of tuning but it should help in theory

[tawny thicket]

its cyberprank FSR FG just looks like crap there cuz CDPR thinks vignette is UI

[tawny thicket]

ive been trying to get optiscalers XeFG to work but i keep getting these nasty stutters and crap

i was gonna play cyberprank with PT with FSR4 Q + XeFG going from 36 to 72fps

cuz FSR 4 P at 1080p is really ugly and thats my only alternative for getting 60 with PT

[hollow kettle]

I just copied the sdk files myself & pasted them into game exe folder same as optiscaler

[hollow kettle]

Yep well path tracing is still broken for me. Just crahsed not even 10 minutes into playing. It was actually working decently before

[austere crest]

CP2077?

[hollow kettle]

i had no voltage offset set, vram was 2700mhz and power limit +10%

[austere crest]

A750 doing 3 FPS with PT on. 😔

[hollow kettle]

with fsr4 performance at 1440p plus xess frame gen i was just getting 115 - 150 fps depending on the area. That is pretty dang good for 9070 non xt imo

so that would be like 55 - 75 fps without frame gen i think

you guys think the vram clock being increased to 2700mhz up from 2500mhz could cause crash with path tracing? Every other game it has been fine for months as long as i dont set voltage offset in adrenalin

[austere crest]

Or maybe it's the FG that's causing it.

[coarse linden]

Doubt it but could go down by 50 - 100 to see

[hollow kettle]

I am loading up stalker 2 to try it now. Shader compilation is taking very long this time

But i did clear my gpu shader cache in adrenalin idk if that affects it or not

I noticed that when I added assassin's creed shadows (ubisoft connect version) to steam, the hardware monitor overlay worked. I am about to try to do the same with some game pass titles. Idk if it will work though, game pass/microsoft store versions always seem to have permission issues

Or they do it on purpose. & yep, says no permission contact file owner or administrator even just trying to add to steam. Ridiculous lol

i cant even play like it just aint fun anymore compared to what i could be playing instead

[ionic remnant]

https://youtu.be/1y5MWMbeqfQ

This shet looks dope

[coarse linden]

"i cleared cache... why compiling cache takes so long"

"i deleted the game... why it takes so long to download"

Also Gamer Nexus Nvidia movie is back on youtube

[hollow kettle]

It took just as long after exiting game and opening immediately again

[late ferry]

anrose0 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

maksimusdikus has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[nimble nexus]

Whats that about?

[past escarp]

chinese blackmarket for nvidia gpus like 5090

has been temporarily suspended by bloomberg for copyright

[plucky quail]

I bet nvidia wanted it and said Bloomberg to do it. No way bloomberg did it that stupid.

[hollow kettle]

Bloomberg must be on the US president's payroll

I heard he was wanting to shut down the Chinese market for graphics cards (at least Nvidia idk about AMD) ALL bc he wants a cut % of the money.

[upper dome]

So wanted to ask if a ryzen 7500f and a 9060xt would do at least epic stable 90 fps ( dont mind going mid ) just wondering

[tawny thicket]

with FG sure : D

[snow torrent]

what res?

[upper dome]

1080p :]

[upper dome]

Thanks:DD really excited to try stalker 2 been waiting for it since it got announced back in 2010 ( at least my father lol i was only 2 year olds and it was when u first got introduced to this amazing game )

[ebon epoch]

I'm not sure epic but you would probably be able to get 90 off in the field without framegen at 1080p for sure

[upper dome]

Better than nothing honestly

[ebon epoch]

it gets dicey in towns (now, engine is getting updated in a couple months) but framegen should absolutely get you over that hump

[upper dome]

The ability to even play it is more than enough for me to be honest

[ebon epoch]

you'd probably be able to get a good 60 base in towns with those specs I'm pretty sure, framegen can take it from there.

[snow torrent]

think it will run pretty good in 1080p. No worries

[upper dome]

Cant wait :DD

[tawny thicket]

thogh do note that FSR 4 looks REALLY bad in this game

its barely better than XeSS
and a lot more smeary than FSR 3.1

[plucky quail]

Stable XD this game cant run on 9800X3D stable

[upper dome]

Will take notice for it its a huge upgrade for me as my old pc had an 1660 super lol

[upper dome]

Got a point there but i will say its just anomalies

[tawny thicket]

especially since the driver override doesnt properly work
so you get some really annoying artifacts if you go below native

[snow torrent]

im pretty happy on my side

[upper dome]

I see

Also why do i have 5 factions 😭 i remember choosing just bandits

[tawny thicket]

though this game is ugly no matter what
this game has the smeariest, boiliest lumen ive ever seen
coupled with the worst LOD's ive ever seen

[plucky quail]

True i need to test Driver overhead of amd and nvidia in stalker that would be interesting. How the 1% low gonna be.

[tawny thicket]

wait for the 5.5 upsgrade
currently this game is everything wrong with UE5

[upper dome]

Thanks alot though guys your are the best

[snow torrent]

im fvcking in lovw with this game. No need to wait to get a cool experience.

[plucky quail]

Dont they use Nanite?

[snow torrent]

and im about 200hours in

[tawny thicket]

maybe on rocks and buildings
but foliage (especially trees) is definetely traditional LOD

[snow torrent]

it is fuzzy on foliage if you use upscaling, yes. Thats really annoying. Im running DLAA thats fine

[tawny thicket]

ive heard only DLAA with the transformer model can look good in this game at 1080p

[snow torrent]

ive been using dlaa since launch. That was even back then the best option at least for me

[spare coral]

Epic burns your fps just use high instead and with framegen you should be over 60fps in settlements

[ionic remnant]

Amd is bad Nvidia good

Jokes aside, imma give the game a chance once the 5.5 version comes out, even though you guys told me the world is empty, i crave the post apocalyptic soviet vibe

I remember i had already installed mods to cut weapon degradation by half, cost to repair by half etc

I had done a side quest and met a high lvl mob early on and lost all my bullets

[plucky quail]

Nothing there of the Soviet post apocalyptic. They hate it remember but I there is a mod that makes the game look more like the old. Like Soviet idiocracy we love 💕.

[ionic remnant]

Maybe soviet isnt the right term

Its like metro

[plucky quail]

Yea Soviet pretty much

[ebon epoch]

I mean how not empty do you need a post apocalyptic shithole to be

If anything I think it's a tad too active for what should be a dilapidated, barren death zone

[blissful smelt]

So I havent played in a bit and Im still hitting the same issues I used to prior.

Im just gonna shove it here just in case anybody knows the fix to this.

I run the game on 1080p medium settings. I play for like 20 minutes tops and eventualy the game just dips to stable 5 FPS and its absolutely unfixable other that reloading the entire thing.

Specs:
3070
Ryzen 5 7600x
32 gigs of 6000Mhz RAMs

I do run DLSS in Quality and FSR. When it doesnt dip, it runs fantastic. But genuinely dont remember what used to be a fix for this. Anyone wise on something similar? I am honestly at a loss.

alt tabbed to write this for aprox 6 minutes and game runs fine now. Jesus this game hurts my head so much 😄

[past escarp]

well there is anomaly that just eats your fps

[hazy arch]

I think the lads said that sounds like vram, like you are running out of vram. Earlier this week or last week someone had the same issue.

[blissful smelt]

daym. Sounds like genuinely unsolvable then.

[plucky quail]

Still talking about a fictional game that is there to entertain

[plucky quail]

Vram either all low or you can’t play

[hazy arch]

Not unsolvable. I remember a mentally stunted ginger-looking thrall told the starfield buyers to just get better hardware. We live in the era of unreal engine. No optimization needed. Just, you know, throw more hardware at it.

[spare coral]

Medium settings ask for more than 8gb of vram

[austere crest]

No, they don't.

[past escarp]

well with my 7800xt on ultra 1080p it used like 8-8.5g of vram

and it was in 1.0-1.1

[spare coral]

[austere crest]

Just loaded into the game, 7.1 GB with medium (some Epic).

[spare coral]

What can i say
people with 8gbs cards are struggling to run this game on medium settings from all the complaints i see about the fps dipping to 5 frames after a while

I don't really get it my game on medium settings uses 9gb after a while

[austere crest]

I have frame dips too, but they're solved by looking at the sky or quitting to the menu and re-loading save.

[ionic remnant]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-50-super-launch-unlikely-before-ces-2026

Is it possible they reducing the memory bus of 5070Ti super ?

Cz here it says 192b on the super vs 256b on the regular
It might be a mistake

[real kraken]

Bruh

[austere crest]

Interesting; I got 256-bit bus too.

[ionic temple]

hey guys i got a important question. i plan on buying a gaming laptop but i dont know which one could run this game on high settings. can anyone help me out?

[coarse linden]

Mistake

Since it would not be possible to put 24 GB on that bus

[ionic remnant]

Problem is vram with laptop gpus
5070Ti is 12Gb only

5080 has 16gb but doubt you gonna find it at a decent price

Do laptops get SUPER variants ?

If yes, wait for it to get at least 16gb of vram

[ionic temple]

i only found 5070s that i can afford so far

as soon as i look for 5080 the price literally doubles

https://www.alternate.de/OMEN/16-am0180ng-Gaming-Notebook/html/product/100148855 saw this one, maybe thats an option?

[ionic remnant]

Ag german

[ionic temple]

https://www.coolblue.de/produkt/965840/lenovo-loq-17irx10-17-3-intel-core-i7-32gb-ram-1tb-ssd-rtx-5070.html?cmt=c_p%2Cr_geizhals.de&utm_source=geizhals.de&utm_medium=pricecomparison&utm_content=17632

[plucky quail]

Play for a hour

[ionic temple]

https://www.buyzoxs.de/kaufen/gigabyte/gigabyte-aorus-17h-bxf-74de554sh-173-core-i7-13700h-24ghz-16gb-ram-1tb-ssd-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-win-11-home-schwarz_B0BVJTWYBL.html?condition=2

[ionic remnant]

This makes my life easier

Are you sure a pc is out of the question ?

[ionic temple]

i do have a pc but its not good enough. i was gonna get a laptop cuz im gonna have long hospital stays coming up and i thought its a better option to get a better laptop over a better pc for that matter

[ionic remnant]

Pretty good

[ionic temple]

but also the most expensive one

how are the others?

[ionic remnant]

https://www.mydealz.de/deals/schenker-xmg-focus-17-borderlands-4-173-ips-wqhd-240hz-300nits-rtx-5070ti-12gb-140w-tdp-i9-13900hx-32gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-kein-os-2622519

@ionic temple

I'd prefer the 4080 tho

[ionic temple]

idk schenker, is it good?

[ionic remnant]

Due to the fact that i really like gigabyte aorus lineup

No idea honestly thats why
At least i know gigabyte Aorus is top tier

[tawny thicket]

AMD finally adding SER and CO-OP vector support
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-MS-AGILITY-SDK-25-10-07-01.html

[plucky quail]

What about ryzen ai max+ 395

Yes horrible Name but really efficient

[ionic remnant]

What does this do

[ionic temple]

i was trying to research those but honestly no idea what ryzen 7 270 whatever are, theres nothing i find

[tawny thicket]

should theoretically increase RT perf

[ionic remnant]

Yea i prefer AMD cpu on a laptop that way it wont overheat as much

But their perf might be abit lower

[tawny thicket]

tho devs have to stop hardcoding SER for Nvidia for that to actually be the case

[tawny thicket]

you either get AMD ZEN 4/5 or Intel lunar lake

only those have good efficiency

though intel IGP's are more efficient than AMD's
(since AMD IGP's are RDNA 3.5 sadly)

[ionic temple]

https://www.alternate.de/OMEN/17-db1180ng-Gaming-Notebook/html/product/100148863 lets use this one as example. Ryzen AI 7 350. i never heard of it or know how good it is.

[tawny thicket]

god that naming scheme is so f'cking cringe and annoying and convoluted and just trash

[ionic temple]

feel free to give me ur knowledge lol

[plucky quail]

Ryzen ai max 395+ ? You can find them in Germany

[tawny thicket]

https://steamcommunity.com/games/1091500/announcements/detail/503961862016073929
oh, and CDPR finnally after 2 GODAMN YEARS added a toggle to get rid of vignette and make FSR FG usable

[plucky quail]

Damn I checked the ai max… is Sold out here

[coarse linden]

Took them long enough

Summer went already

[plucky quail]

I can’t also talk about the ai 7. I don’t know how good they are

[ionic temple]

its so hard to find one that can run it fluently with mid - high settings

[austere crest]

I have. 7.3 GB.

[plucky quail]

You have what gpu ?

[plucky quail]

This game or you mean also other games

Cuz there are good laptops that can

[ionic temple]

just stalker

[austere crest]

https://i.pcmag.com/imagery/reviews/07ijmuPLjPQaR8pz1MbQYmP-1.jpg

[ionic temple]

its one if not the most demanding game rn

[tawny thicket]

A770 with 16GB ?

[ionic remnant]

Which arc tho

[ionic temple]

would be super cool to have one thats below 1800

[ionic remnant]

How do you send pictures here HUH

[ionic temple]

hes the master

[plucky quail]

I don’t know what that means you just showed me a Intel gpu.
It also looks like A series

[plucky quail]

How much vram did it have?

[austere crest]

I literally fixed the image. A750...as it shows in the new one. 8 GB of VRAM.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/227954/intel-arc-a750-graphics/specifications.html

[plucky quail]

1080p right

[austere crest]

• Memory Size = 8 GB
• Memory Type = GDDR6
• Graphics Memory Interface = 256 bit
• Graphics Memory Bandwidth = 512 GB/s
• Graphics Memory Speed = 16 Gbps

[ionic temple]

oh no i ment 1800 euros

[plucky quail]

Yea the thing is with 8 gb you never gonna see it go over 8gb

[austere crest]

It does, in Horizon: Forbidden West. Easily crosses 9+ GB.

[plucky quail]

No the resolution 1440p can be hard on this game

[plucky quail]

How would you know if you have a 8gb gpu

[austere crest]

Because MSI Afterburner tells that.

Even had this happen back when I had 12 GB of RAM.

Since system RAM is shared, that meant 8 + 6 = 14 GB total available for video, but since the game itself hogs RAM, it was pain.

[ionic temple]

i honestly dont know what that means

[austere crest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311817583351169114/1415683536601612440/1757595655711.png?ex=68c41989&is=68c2c809&hm=cee0c240b0304d94a3753515b91291f5a2349308d301352e80b39b8e3ed8faeb&

28 GB of total VRAM available; 8 from GPU and 20 from system sharing.

[austere crest]

Generally a resolution of 2560 X 1440.

[ionic temple]

lets say i dont need a hyper realistic super sharp resolution

[austere crest]

You can use XeSS or even regular resolution scaling to do that.

[ionic temple]

for laptops, would a regular 5070 be alright too?

or do i need a 5070ti/4080

[austere crest]

No idea about that, NGL...I've never had dGPUs and definitely not NVIDIA.

[tawny thicket]

but the A750 is a dGPU

[tawny thicket]

the 5070m has 8GB of VRAM IIRC

thats super pushing it for this game
even at 1080p

[austere crest]

Yes, and only using because I got it for free. Else iGPUs FTW.

[tawny thicket]

oh

[plucky quail]

But that’s not your total that will save you from a vram overflow

[ionic temple]

okay what if medium settings?

[plucky quail]

You always need to test how much vram your game on the gpu platform you are on uses. That’s why you test it with a 4090 and not a 4070 because you don’t want the driver to reduce the vram usage

[ionic temple]

i hope there will be optimizations

[tawny thicket]

it should work on Nvidia

[ionic temple]

okay so 5070 is okay then?

[austere crest]

Sure, but it still counts. The dGPU will just pull data from system RAM either ways.

[plucky quail]

Thats the moment stutter will happen

[tawny thicket]

not just stutter on UE5
also just crap performance in general

[ionic temple]

so lets compare, which one to would ya take: https://www.buyzoxs.de/kaufen/gigabyte/gigabyte-aorus-17h-bxf-74de554sh-173-core-i7-13700h-24ghz-16gb-ram-1tb-ssd-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4080-win-11-home-schwarz_B0BVJTWYBL.html?condition=2
Or: https://www.mydealz.de/deals/schenker-xmg-focus-17-borderlands-4-173-ips-wqhd-240hz-300nits-rtx-5070ti-12gb-140w-tdp-i9-13900hx-32gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-kein-os-2622519#comments

[plucky quail]

the memory is not fast enough and it needs to wait for the Ram to transfer

[austere crest]

I mean, stutters would also happen from ongoing shader compilation either ways.

Also, current VRAM usage.

[ashen steppe]

Can enyone help me choose between 2 oled screen ? I kinda don't know much about oled ,I'm going from 1080p too 1440p

[plucky quail]

Thats the problem it doesnt tell you would need a 770 16Gb for it to see if its using more. Some textures could look bad or you could have stutters here and then.

[plucky quail]

just send it

[austere crest]

Yea, but I've not had issues so far unless I'm travelling fast.

[ashen steppe]

Rithet I can take thes one refurbished https://www.pccomponentes.com/monitor-asus-rog-strix-oled-xg27aqdmg-265-oled-qhd-240hz-freesync-premium

[plucky quail]

Yea but i mean it could be still Vram limit without knowing. Thats least how the benchmarker always test

[plucky quail]

get the 5070TI

[austere crest]

Who knows? But yea...the game still works on Medium, some Epic at 8 GB, so...good enough for me.

[plucky quail]

I mean it could be maybe your Intel driver is better in handling the vram

[ashen steppe]

Or thes one https://www.pccomponentes.com/monitor-aoc-agon-ag276qzd2-267-qd-oled-qhd-240hz-003ms-hdr-400-adaptive-sync

I can't go past 500 euro I'm already stretching my budget ,would love if someone know and tell me wish one too choose ,from what I seen AOC have better quality picture no motion,but Asus one have better feature's

[austere crest]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen steppe]

Nobody know?

[real kraken]

AOC is not bad

I will prefer the specs to the brand in my opinion

[ashen steppe]

What u think should I go for AOC ? I can get refurbished for 414 euro ( they are tested with warranty

[ionic temple]

alright. and why exactly? if u dont mind

[plucky quail]

Better CPU and i laptop 4080 is the same as 5070ti but dont quote me on that

[ionic temple]

i could upgrade it with 13900 to 14900 (the cpu)

is it worth the 100€?

[real kraken]

I will choose the best specs

[plucky quail]

is it in any way diff?

[ionic temple]

thats why im askin

and wifi 6 or wifi 7?

[plucky quail]

idk i only know that the Desktop version is the same but you could have more cores enabled

[ionic remnant]

Depends on your internet
At home i prefer you use ethernet if u cant i'd def go wifi 7

[plucky quail]

forget germany and internet the most you get are 250mbps

[ionic remnant]

Laughs in french internet

8gbps up and down

First time france is leading in something

[austere crest]

30 Mb/s down, 15 up.

[plucky quail]

I think the people at Estonia laugh at us both.

[ionic remnant]

Rip

[real kraken]

15mb/s here in France

[plucky quail]

[real kraken]

1.5day to download S2

[ionic remnant]

Guys i need 2 things to rest

Dlss 4.5

And 5070Ti super vbios to work on 5070Ti

[austere crest]

That's still 1.5 MB/s, not bad at all.

[ionic remnant]

You dont have fiber ?

[real kraken]

Lol, when there is Stalker update I can wait all the night and play tomorrow

[real kraken]

I live in an old farm man lol

[ashen steppe]

That the issue I absolutely have no idea what too choose and what too look for

[ionic remnant]

I think they are still forced to come and install fiber

[real kraken]

Give the link

[ashen steppe]

https://www.pccomponentes.com/monitor-aoc-agon-ag276qzd2-267-qd-oled-qhd-240hz-003ms-hdr-400-adaptive-sync

https://www.pccomponentes.com/monitor-asus-rog-strix-oled-xg27aqdmg-265-oled-qhd-240hz-freesync-premium

I'm running an 9060xt Soo vram isn't an issue too lol

[ionic remnant]

Nvm

Turns out no, i just asked

[real kraken]

The specs are better on the AOC

But do you need 0.03ms gtg?

In this case I will go to Asus, even if AOC specs are better, but here the difference between 240hz and 360hz is not that much..

[ashen steppe]

Asus is 500 refurbished and AOC 414 refurbished lol

It price issue that why I wanna know ,0.03 maybe I play fps tooo

[ionic remnant]

I feel 240hz is where its the best spot

[ashen steppe]

I ain't gonna push 240 too with 9060

[plucky quail]

For me best is 4k 240hz use all that DP 5€ cable i bought.

[real kraken]

You d'ont need 0.03ms, it's overkill your eyes will d'ont see the difference, It won't make you more kills

[ashen steppe]

Wish one have better visual too? Aoc ? It say quantum dot oled

[real kraken]

I d'ont know what is it, but there are both OLED

It's like a physics name lol

[ashen steppe]

I seen in google review visual way better with quntom dot oled that why I'm confused I only know oled lol,if u ask me about pc parts I will know what and stuff ,but monitor ? I'm completely useless lol

[ashen steppe]

Ikr ,it say smth that each pixel is like it own ? Or smth like that

[real kraken]

So go to AOC

I only know OLED and mini led

Fast Ips
VA
Tn

But if the quality is better go to AOC

Anyways I need to do something irl

[ashen steppe]

While OLED uses a white OLED layer that passes light through filters to produce red, green, blue and white light, QD-OLED uses a blue-emitting layer that excites Quantum Dots to produce the light needed to create what you ultimately see on the screen. Quantum Dots can be tuned to emit specific wavelengths of light, providing an even better color experience than OLED. The benefits are precise colors, a wider color gamut, and higher peak brightness levels that enhance HDR (High Dynamic Range). In other words, QD OLED takes the already amazing OLED technology and makes it even better

Just found it in google ,yep AOC seem the better purchase,thank you

[ionic remnant]

One is woled (lg's oled) and one is Qoled (samsung's oled) both are 0.03ms btw

I prefer asus to aoc
Gigabyte qdoled > msi qdoled > asus's Woled > AOC qdoled

[ashen steppe]

Wish one have better visual and no motion ? I already got an Asus 1080p it ain't bad but I don't like it either with elmb

[ionic temple]

@ionic remnantdo u have any experience with a xmg focus?

[coarse linden]

I mean... Gigabyte, msi and AOC all use samsung panel

Well really anyone using QD is using Samsung since its their patented IP

[tawny thicket]

30fps cutscenes ?
you've got to be kidding me
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/995299946028871735/1416021073786568744/image.png?ex=68c553e4&is=68c40264&hm=6668a5b31c1e6a5fa0e04764b4b7d81933d9672b73b2f1ad413f7cf17e30446c&

[plucky quail]

Stalker 🤝 BL4

[plucky quail]

It amazes me more that a game with a good style, where you can hide some weakness of graphics gets such a bad performance.

[tawny thicket]

i dont get why they just HAD to go for lumen ONLY lighting tho

its a super fast paced game
you probably dont wanna have the most temporal filtering dependent GI method

just sayin'
also think they dont allow HW lumen

which makes me really mad

now that ive seen what it does VS SW lumen in MGS

[plucky quail]

I mean that would only make it look better not perform better and at that game i dont think it gonna look much better 🤷🏼

[tawny thicket]

i also wonder if they are using RR on NVIDIA
cuz that really hurts lumen perf..

[tawny thicket]

SW lumen tends to be overly vibrant and lacking in shadow depth
HW lumen fixes that, and i think its also less noisy but im not sure

[plucky quail]

Having bad performance in such a game just says that they are bad corp.
Paying half the people to make a game and just lumen all the way.

[ionic remnant]

bro it's like the entire industry is begging u to play borderlands 4

shítty ahh game with HR humor

[tawny thicket]

thats BL3
i just wanna try it out to see if they fixed that or not (giving it a chance cuz early reveiws said they fixed that)
if not, at least the game is fun

[hazy arch]

And probably made with unreal, which why I didn't buy it. Oh and what they did to the movie.

[tawny thicket]

oh god the movie
i hate you now, cuz you reminded me that that piece of garbage exists

[coarse linden]

Imagine that... UE5 and you get the brightest idea of adding denuvo on top of it

[tawny thicket]

wait, what
BL4 has denuvo ?

[coarse linden]

Yes lmao

[tawny thicket]

FRACK
MY
LIFE

okay
so its always going to stutter no matter what you do

[coarse linden]

Well until they remove it

[tawny thicket]

why do companies go through all the trouble of adding & buying denuvo
just to stop 0.1% of the player base from getting it free ?
oh, and to create stupid ass stutters

[coarse linden]

Because it boosts first month sales

Which are the most important really

[tawny thicket]

by 1% : D

[coarse linden]

By big enough margin for them to bother

[tawny thicket]

gotta pole this

[hazy arch]

As long as that garbage Randy and Strauss gets paid, I am not buying it.

[tawny thicket]

i dont follow twitter drama so IDEK why people hate randy so much 😅

hell
i dont even **have **twitter

[hazy arch]

He and Strauss kept moving the release date to line up with stuff like bl3 etc. And when Hollywood came knocking with soy ideas for the movie, they said yes.

[tawny thicket]

huh
weird, i dont know the details so im just gonna leave it there

[sand carbon]

hey I can't wait until I get my new PC home so I can finally play S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl ( AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D / ASUS GeForce RTX 5090 ROG Astral LC OC and ram Kingston FURY Beast DDR5-6400 - 64GB - CL32 )

[lean snow]

monitor?

[austere crest]

Denuvo is cancer and Irdeto needs to go out of business permanently.

[plucky quail]

I think it can barely run the game maybe you need to turn some down

[sand carbon]

thinking about buying MSI MPG 322URX QD-OLED for it has DisplayPort 2.1a i try'ed looking at asus but they dont have 32 inc oled monitor with DisplayPort 2.1a ( not jet ) but im waiting with buying a monitor? til next year

[ionic remnant]

Wish the game's English VA was like metro's last light with a heavy ukrainian accent

[nimble nexus]

whats stuttering?

[tawny thicket]

BL4 due to denuvo

[nimble nexus]

Ahh, I am not wasting my money on that game... Not until I get confirmation that it isn't full of modern day BS and politcal agendas.

I just want to have fun, and not get constantly told I am scum, just because I am white and male.

As for the performance issues, well, it was a another rushed release, because the wealth of people who more money than they will ever spend, is more important than providing gamer's with quality products.

And it sucks.

So get a refund, and wait for the game to go on sale after several updates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d63-nTq_-E

[tawny thicket]

oh i havent bought it yet either
i wanna just first find out wether or not the dialouge and character work is just s cringe and stupid as 3's

i'll probably buy it regardless of that
since i bet BL4 gameplay is really fun like 3's is but it would be really nice if the story wasnt totall ass

[nimble nexus]

And is it?

[tawny thicket]

IDK yet, i just heard someone say they were gonna tone down that sh't and then some guy with early acces also said that it was better but i need to see some gameplay for myself first