pc-specs

[coarse linden]

Cost me 10€ like 15 years ago

Recycling to save this cursed globe

[worn jay]

using lego blocks as anti gpu sag
childhood toys coming into play

[tawny thicket]

nvidia seems to have the majority of sales everywhere, but especially in the US*

[worn jay]

winners queue

[coarse linden]

Hmmh... Hopefully i managed to solve issue with HWiNFO so it doenst blue screen my pc anymore

Lengths a pleb must do to ensure battlefield beta runs

Honestly should just reinstall this bloatware 11

[tawny thicket]

poor ole' windows 11

how dare you call it bloatware ?

[coarse linden]

Easily

[tawny thicket]

[worn jay]

apple skin of w10

last mission of stalker 2 was crashing for me cus of w11, after reinstalling to W10 everything worked fine

[late ferry]

aquaticle000 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tropic bobcat]

wolf, im gonna throw a brick at you.

[coarse linden]

Welcome to club

[tropic bobcat]

😭

[plucky quail]

750$ in the us is crazy 9070xt

That’s even pre tax

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/Vl3vWOb.png

Prices have been droping for a while now.

Managed to get my memory latency down to the lower 60ns.

[plucky quail]

https://imgur.com/a/MlMdo3g

Us price same as German prices 1st day

[tropic bobcat]

No it’s not. That’s almost $900 USD there “first day” during launch period.

Comparing currencies like that is a bad idea.

[hollow kettle]

It is nice to see very few gpus in those top sellers being 8gb or less. I think ppl are starting to finally realize they need more lol 3050 at #6 breaks my heart though 😂

I think 9070xt and 9070 are settling in to the actual msrp they wanted to initially charge tbh. At least the cheapest models which are $699 and $599

[tropic bobcat]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/KXkqqs/asrock-challenger-radeon-rx-9070-16-gb-video-card-rx9070-cl-16g

GOOD model at MSRP for the 9070, triple fan too.

[spare coral]

I have seen lots of good deals for the 9060xt/9070 non xt where i live

[worn jay]

https://x.com/bruhskey/status/1951361936651678101

[plucky quail]

What. US prices are 750$ like German price few months ago.

You get 70xts for below msrp here

[plucky quail]

Wonder if it’s same on ultra with battlefield sponsored on Intel.

[worn jay]

it is just saw a post of intel promoting it

[plucky quail]

https://imgur.com/a/5Bsidt8
Seen the new mafia requirements??

[past escarp]

are they using ue5 or why does these requirements are so terrible?

[tawny thicket]

9060 XT gonna be required for 1080p native it seems

[plucky quail]

The CPU requirements are even worse

[tawny thicket]

UE 5 it IS [oh god that chonky link]

[tawny thicket]

https://www.google.com/search?q=mafia+the+old+country+game+engine&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=ec9e5a722f530583&sxsrf=AE3TifMdaBxalyQBkUEOm5YUvEggIbpQew%3A1754157341444&ei=HVGOaNnvGv6B9u8Ptdmb2Ag&ved=0ahUKEwiZ8t2p2eyOAxX-gP0HHbXsBosQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=mafia+the+old+country+game+engine&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiIW1hZmlhIHRoZSBvbGQgY291bnRyeSBnYW1lIGVuZ2luZTIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwAzIKEAAYRxjWBBiwA0j3BFAAWABwAXgBkAEAmAEAoAEAqgEAuAEDyAEAmAIBoAIEmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcBMaAHALIHALgHAMIHAzItMcgHAw&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

[past escarp]

well no wonder then

[tawny thicket]

dont know which version though yet

[plucky quail]

What version is that even gonna be to be that high

[tawny thicket]

we will just have to pray to god that its 5.3+ cuz otherwise this will be a shitsow

[past escarp]

it seems like a terrible version anyway

[real kraken]

I would say 5.5 + bcz there is megalight with huge Lumen performance boost

But for stability in overall yeah

[ionic remnant]

Since lossless scaling could do it

I guess they will try but idk its just a guess

5.6 is pretty good

Hopefully 5.7 we get another 30% fps boost
And ue5 games might finally become playable

[tawny thicket]

5.6 only improved HW Lumen performance by 30%~, which isnt used in pretty much any game

SW lumen perf is the same AFAIK

[ionic remnant]

Oh i see

[tawny thicket]

so now instead of it being like 50/60% slower than SW, its now only 30-20% slower

[ionic remnant]

Wish they genuinely work purely on performance and fixing the default projects / engine settings

So entry level ue5 slop will at least run

[plucky quail]

Yea even lower performacne with SW Lumen so nothing we gonna get out of that

[tawny thicket]

at least on RDNA 2
NVIDIA/RDNA 4 certainly would do better

[ionic remnant]

Also i found out not too long ago

That ue5 TSR runs better on nvidia vs rdna3

With my 7900XTX it looked like fsr3
Meanwhile i checked online footage of Chrono odyssey there was no blur, no ghosting on nvidia gpus

[signal relic]

Cool

[ionic remnant]

Chatgpt (i know not the best source) said that its normal TSR is better optimized for nvidia (?) Idk how

[ionic remnant]

Borderline fsr2 even

[plucky quail]

I mean GPT takes peoples R/ post as info. So some post just s*t on r/ and GPT thinks its a info that should be taken serious

I mean i can test it later if you want

Both Nvidia and AMD GPUs. Maybe even with low compression lucky of the Intel IGPU i have

[tawny thicket]

runs better ? perhaps, but looks better ? i wont belive without some serious evidence

[ionic remnant]

Yea i get you, just giving my experience, Chrono Odyssey playtest every time there was movement it smeared a lot / ghosted
On my 7900XTX

And then saw online a guy with 4070, his footage looked amazing compared to mine

[tawny thicket]

maybe the 4070 user was actually using DLSS 🤷‍♂️

[ionic remnant]

There was no dlss or fsr

On the game

[tawny thicket]

oh

[thorny remnant]

I would like it

Stalker 2 looks like shit for me too
Rdna3

[tawny thicket]

please do
though also try and align them when you do

[coarse linden]

Nothing but a glorified scraper bot really

For people with mental deficiency to utilize proper search engine to find the information

[plucky quail]

It looks much better now with FSR AA.

[plucky quail]

Thats easy with a save. And never move the cam

[plucky quail]

I have a Location now set where i test. Tho its dawn so you dont see much color or detail in the grass. I wanted to test how good the diff AA hold to detail and how much Ghosting it gets.

Does anyone know how to set time?

[tawny thicket]

most games have a settimeofday command

[tawny thicket]

but i think its easiest towait a bit
(getting the console to open requires a mod)

[tropic bobcat]

Agreed.

[plucky quail]

Ever thought about the codec of him. If he used h264 it would ofc look worse on amd

[hollow kettle]

Intel release xess 2.1 sdk. Can use it to swap dll files to use latest xess model 2.1 upscaler, xess 2.1 frame gen on radeon & nvidia gpus and XeLL. Im using in cyberpunk right now. I think xess 2.1 FG is better than fsr 3.1 FG. By a lot

[hollow kettle]

Chrono odyssey had TSR and resolution slider changed depending on which preset you chose. So there was nearly forced TSR in playtest and yes it looked awful. I quit playing within 15 minutes it was so bad

[tawny thicket]

Not surprising, Cyberprank still renders vignette as UI which means that FSR FG only interpolates the middle 10% of the screen

[ionic remnant]

Guys

Idk if you're awake but i need help, the 12v power adapter is not coming off

[ebon epoch]

Right, just rigged up dual gpus, 5060ti outputting into a 3070 for scaling

stalker 2 downloading, not super high hopes but see if it helps any

[worn jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYYVz4q-Rt8

the goat 5800x3d

[plucky quail]

lol watching it rn too

[worn jay]

still fine for 5080 is wild

goated cpu

[tawny thicket]

5080 = 4080 Super Duper though

[worn jay]

who knew that 2017 platform cpu could run a 2025 gpu

[worn jay]

updated cables!!!
||still melts||

[plucky quail]

Just imagine the 7800X3D and 9800X3D in Few years.

[worn jay]

they will all age gracefully

its more of a shocker that amd kept their promise for the first time which what makes 5800x3d so special

and overdelivered , everyone thought 5950x was the end of the line for AM4

https://wccftech.com/amd-readies-new-3d-v-cache-ryzen-9000-zen-5-desktop-cpus-8-core-96-mb-16-core-192-mb-dual-x3d/

Dual x3d CCD 🤔

[coarse linden]

So that folk are selling those things used for 400€ which is insane

[plucky quail]

If both Cores can share the cache it would make it extreme good.

[coarse linden]

Would be nice if AMD brought it back instead selling this scuffed 5700X3D

[plucky quail]

I think for 200-170€ for a CPU that strong for people that are stuck on AM4 is good.

[worn jay]

"AMD is also using its 2nd Gen AMD V-Cache technology across all of its brand-new "Zen 5" Ryzen 9000 Desktop CPUs. This new V-Cache design runs cooler, faster, and supports overclocking. It is possible that the new V-Cache design helped AMD to finally develop a proper "retail" dual-X3D chip.

Meanwhile, Intel might be working on its 3D V-Cache-like CPUs with the Nova Lake generation, offering bLLC "Big LLC" packages, but those aren't coming anytime soon. So it looks like AMD's dominance in the gaming segment will continue, while users who have waited for a proper dual X3D implementation will have a super high-end Ryzen CPU for their systems."

[tawny thicket]

@plucky quail did you finish up with testing it ?

[coarse linden]

Except for folk who have 5800X its a downgrade lol

[tawny thicket]

you mean 5800X-3D

[plucky quail]

No did the Nvidia things. Wanted to have best data at the best quality. I just now need to find a way to show it without compressing it too much. Maybe yt 4K Video?

[tawny thicket]

youtube gives you terrible compression unless you have a decent following
maybe if you had 1080p footage and then uploaded it at 4K

[tawny thicket]

could try here https://streamable.com/

or upload footage bits here https://catbox.moe/

the catbox one will be lossless

[plucky quail]

I can edit all together and format as 4K footage

[ionic remnant]

Nico

Okay so got refunded for the 5090 pc, obviously was a mistake but i gave it a try

And sent back my gpu this morning, its taking time to see it on amazon, apparently its normal for high value items because they're going to inspect the gpu and check for damage / fraud

Really hope i get the full refund

Also i made a ticket to try and get the cashback on the zotac 5070Ti gpu that imma replace it with

I might end up getting the gpu for 771 eur then gotta add 15 eur shipping

[ebon epoch]

almost 800 for a 5070ti is... not a bad deal honestly.

which hurts to say but it's the truth

[real kraken]

remember when the 1070 ti was way cheaper that today XX70 ti

good days

[coarse linden]

Remember when you could get top tier gaming pc for 750€

Good times

[worn jay]

The Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Ti had a launch MSRP of $449. This price was consistent for both the Founder's Edition and custom cards from partners.

😥 wild that 5070 ti is 850$ now

[plucky quail]

More wild that we are ok with it

Apparently 14900k is 110 fps slower in battlefield than 9800x3d. So only 2/3 of the performance

But it could be of the scheduler.

[worn jay]

maybe loves the cache

[plucky quail]

I am going to test it on the 9th

[worn jay]

at this point ill just buy a next USED gpu once my current one dies

[plucky quail]

Could also be.

[ionic remnant]

can i overclock my igpu

🗿

[tawny thicket]

[ionic remnant]

i just need a bit more juice

it already runs turtle wow at like 50-60 fps

[past escarp]

no, because i say that you cant

[worn jay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1mhnbch/number_of_monthly_active_steam_users_with_nvidia/

apparently rtx 5000 has the best sales out of all last gens

[thorny remnant]

Well on paper its a decent generation
Atleast better than rtx 4000
Imagine being a Nvidia fanboy and switching to a rtx4060 from the 3060 just to realize the 3060 can be much faster at times and even if the the 4060 is in the lead its not by much

I think rtx 5000 super will be amazing
Sadly there still is the 12pin highpower Connector standard issue

[plucky quail]

Prob has to do with the release in of the GPUs all at once

[ebon epoch]

I'm stumped

game will run at like 45 fps but both gpu and cpu are hovering around 60% utilization or something like that, nowhere near maxed out (checked individual threads just in case and it's not that either)

the only thing I can see going bonkers is the gpu bus, my mobo is pcie 3.0 so it's the only thing that looks like even remotely being maxed out

[spare coral]

Even then it shouldnt be that much of a difference from 3.0 to pci 4.0 unless you have a 4090 or something like that

[ebon epoch]

I just would find it weird that of all the things the problem would be the pcie throughput?

[ebon epoch]

I'm on an aorus x470, 5060ti, ryzen 5 5600x

I mean granted, this happens in zalissia which is infamous for tanking any fps regardless, but I'm just... weirded out

like, I would assume my card would try to keep up before going under target fps, not just slacking over in the 60% area and expecting the game to just catch up to it instead

[coarse linden]

Isnt 5060ti pcie x8 card?

[plucky quail]

Yes

And it’s sad that they gave it 8x

[coarse linden]

I mean for the most part its just fine

[ebon epoch]

it is, yes.

[coarse linden]

On pcie 4.0 slot it would be just fine but you kinda screwed yourself with pcie 3.0

[ebon epoch]

you think?

[coarse linden]

Very much so

[ebon epoch]

'cause I don't want to change sockets yet but I was looking at a 550 mobo with a 16x 4.0 slot

it'd be about 100 bucks so it's not outrageous, I just don't want to be just throwing money blindly and hoping for the best either

specifically a gigabyte B550 GAMING X, which is the closest I can find to a slight upgrade over the x470

unfortunately I can't find anywhere that sells an x570

[coarse linden]

x570 is kinda ass unless you find those modern revs without chipset fan

#replacedChipsetFanTwice

[ebon epoch]

you think on a 4.0 at least my 5060 could just be free to puke its guts out? I'm going to eventually buy an AM5 prebuilt down the line, but want to try and hold out with what I have for a couple more years

it's not a great card but as long as I can squeeze it for all its worth it's fine for now

[coarse linden]

4.0 doubles throughput you currently have and should be more or less fine. Ideally you would have 5.0 but compromises must be made sometimes

[ebon epoch]

welp, 80 bucks all in all. I've had worse. if it helps it'll actually be sorta cheap

[late ferry]

greenlightyt has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[spring pulsar]

Is there a new bug where, changing the resolution now requires me to restart the game? I tend to play at 4k but I've just returned to Zalissya to save them from the Monolith, but at two locations there it made my fps tank to like 1fps. So I switched to 2k and the fps returned to normal. But the screen was glitched and flickering. Been playing since release, but never had this before. Is this a recent thing?

[tawny thicket]

I don't even know what to think

Ill say a VERY optimistic 1300€

[candid hamlet]

Is that msrp or scalper money

[tawny thicket]

the scale doesnt go high enough for scalper money

[candid hamlet]

Lmaooo

[plucky quail]

[coarse linden]

Pff

Intel 18A 10% yields...

Pretty sure they were stuck at 10% too at December

[plucky quail]

https://wccftech.com/intel-is-reportedly-progressing-with-18a-yield-rates/

Apparently

[coarse linden]

"As of late last year, only around 5% of the Panther Lake chips that Intel printed were up to its specifications, these sources said. This yield figure rose to around 10% by this summer,"

[tawny thicket]

Brhu, are 10% yields normal ?

At their current stage of dev

[coarse linden]

There is no profit to be made with those yields

Generally needs to be upper 70ish

[tawny thicket]

Then they better fix it for panther lake(/nova lake)

[coarse linden]

They are. By using TSMC to make their product

[tawny thicket]

Imagine spending so much money on foundries just to use your main competitors foundries

[coarse linden]

Thing is all this wasted money will end up on price tag for consumers to pay

So you can pretty much already kiss good bye for "competitive prices"

[plucky quail]

Stop there. Who is saying that anyone going to buy those ones. Intel going to be paying for those with -50% profit.

[coarse linden]

Plenty of people will buy intel cpu because its intel cpu

[plucky quail]

like the 95% of people that now buy AMD? Ofc there are people no doubt but they are not much in the DIY market

[tawny thicket]

Same for NVIDIA...

[plucky quail]

maybe laptops

[coarse linden]

Same for any brand more or less

[plucky quail]

Or pebuild

[coarse linden]

You buy one and works well for you so you are more likely to buy same brand thats just how it goes

[tawny thicket]

Yeah, i suppose there's also a whole bunch of people who will buy Ryzen cuz.its Ryzen

[plucky quail]

People 😉

[coarse linden]

I will lol

Unless Intel abandons its moronic big.LITTLE im not touching them

[plucky quail]

Praying they going to. Tho it looks like AMD is experimenting with that too. 🙏🏼 pray that that doesint happen

[coarse linden]

I mean it is fine for laptops and whatnot. Decent tech for that but not for desktops

[tawny thicket]

It'd be fine if there were only like 4 or 6 of them on an I9

[late ferry]

lightning999933 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

50?

[coarse linden]

We dont have limited power budgets on desktop so there is no need for cinebench accelerators

[tawny thicket]

But f'cking 54 with nova lake ?

[plucky quail]

They work good we only need to take a look at the 14600K. Its not bad but like 16 of those is just too much for "Just" background task

[coarse linden]

Well kinda do since everyones laughing at intel and its 300w+ pulling on that is tragically comedic

[plucky quail]

next Power limit going to be a 5090

[coarse linden]

I mean i play old games and cant be bothered to go turn off cinebench accelerators everytime i feel like playing old school game because otherwise those just crash

When alternatively I could buy competing brand and have it work out of the box without extra hoops

I can live with 0.1% fps being slightly worse

[plucky quail]

You can just set in in windows manually but yes kinda bad on older games but even on those games E cores can run it over 100FPS. they clock now 5GHz so they are basically 9th gen with daddy cores 🙂

[coarse linden]

But now E cores come with their own E cores because there isnt enough cores

[plucky quail]

Thats just idk what they want to do with it

[coarse linden]

If game would run with those on

[plucky quail]

I mean thats not going to beat AMD

[coarse linden]

I swear they hired the guy who made bulldozers

"mOrE COreS"

[plucky quail]

They 100% did. just add "more cores"

[plucky quail]

Wonder if one in intel just said. "Damn AMD beats us with their more cores Advertisement. What if we advertise it that way too, just much more" and so they got 52 Cores

[coarse linden]

Meanwhile UE5 still having game logic on 1 core and having stroke looking at that count

[tawny thicket]

Though, seriously, what tha fack do they expect you to.do with 54cores ?

[coarse linden]

Run cinebench

[plucky quail]

Slap the sticker on

[tawny thicket]

Pleb, why no vote ?

[plucky quail]

The scale is not low enough 🙂

[tawny thicket]

Lol

[pure ibex]

My buddy told me his pc blew up I come over his house and his psu got something rattling around inside

That is a chunk of a 600v 24amp Infineon mosfet

[ionic remnant]

hello bros

[worn jay]

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2025/08/DANAWA-768x694.png

The report doesn’t list exact numbers, but the breakdown suggests approximately 76% for NVIDIA and 21% for AMD in South Korea at a certain retailer

[ionic remnant]

truly the poll king

[ionic remnant]

wish nvidia released a 5060Ti Super as well

and 5060 super

but they just dont care about the 60 grade series sadly

[pure ibex]

Nvidia busy making ai products

Get 9070 instead

[ionic remnant]

9060XT 16gb is such a great gpu

[pure ibex]

True

[ionic remnant]

for it's price ofc

i think the 5070 is a great gpu but should have been 100 euros cheaper

but of well not like saying it can change anything

msrp is 550 usd right

shouldave been 499 and true to its msrp

[ionic remnant]

amazon taking too long to refund me, i am gettng worried

[plucky quail]

I hate that we see the 2 worse GPUs up there

[plucky quail]

It should be the 300$ GPU that we didnt get

[tawny thicket]

why is the RX 580 selling as well as a 3060/7600 ??

[coarse linden]

Mining

Some claim they can make profit mining sh1tcoins

[plucky quail]

https://imgur.com/a/oMS2uIO

Based Steve. He got it on the true side.

[tawny thicket]

Wdym "true side" ?

[plucky quail]

on the left side

[tawny thicket]

oh

you meant the bloody windows thing🤦‍♂️

[plucky quail]

https://youtu.be/qyKJW-z0ZAA

[tawny thicket]

US market is so f'cked lol

[plucky quail]

real in EU you get 5080 for 1150ish€ tax incl.

50€ more or less

[tawny thicket]

if you were getting 20fps on a 5070TI then you get 23fps on a 5080
LOL

[plucky quail]

4X FG is so stupid. Who needs 200FPS in CP77. Very few see the diff and mostly only feel it.

[tawny thicket]

i mean i guess it lets you fully use your 260hz monitor, but i'd argue that 200hz+ itself is useless

[plucky quail]

Prob not in shooter but single player yes

[tawny thicket]

eh, UE5 shooters

(except valorant, valorant somehow runs better on UE 5 than 4)

[plucky quail]

I played delta force and it didnt feel good. maybe its the game and how they programmed it but it was more heavy to move like latency. Else i only played Squad UE4 and that game TAA looks AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

I used FSR to compensate

Q! Not even Native

[tawny thicket]

lol

[tawny thicket]

then its stalker 2/SW survivor level of sh't

[plucky quail]

Yea pretty much the S2 and SWS type shyte

[tawny thicket]

you mean shared memory

[plucky quail]

Yes

[tawny thicket]

im watching PS4 footage of fallen order and holy shit that TAA is soo bad

[coarse linden]

Not until they stop releasing ps5 games

[past escarp]

aka cross-gen games

[tropic bobcat]

Mods.

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wBGgt3r2NA
7ms ? Sounds about right :kekw:

[tropic bobcat]

Mods in cyberpunk can use a lot of resources, in fact even a 5080 can’t keep up.

That’s mostly due to VRAM limitations though. 😬

[coarse linden]

Due self inflicted issue

[tropic bobcat]

Should have have more VRAM tbh.

[coarse linden]

So folk can download 16k texture mods and cry again about same thing

[tropic bobcat]

Those don’t exist.

[coarse linden]

yet

[tropic bobcat]

Nobody is actually doing that, it’s not realistic. 4K textures at most. Even 8K mods don’t really exist.

[coarse linden]

Looks at skyrim

[tropic bobcat]

Skyrim is Cyberpunk? Huh! Didn’t know that.

[coarse linden]

Point is the same. Game runs fine and folk proceed to make it run like shit and blame hardware

[tropic bobcat]

No, it’s not.

Some games are already getting pretty close to that 16GB figure as is. Whether it be bad optimization, or just textures. Went what they are. 5080 should have had 18, 20, etc etc.

But can’t do that because 5090.

They did the same thing with the 3080, and 4080.

[coarse linden]

You were talking about mods

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, for cyberpunk and then you switched the topic to Skyrim.

[coarse linden]

Its same shit. Modded skyrim people cry how they dont have enough vram on hardware when they purposfully inflict that issue on themselfs

[tropic bobcat]

Like you said, “point still stands”.

[coarse linden]

Folk cant complain that hardware is not good enough when they cause the issue themselfs by bloating the game with mods

[hollow kettle]

There was a guy the other day traded a newly purchased 5070 for used 3090 just for the vram to use mods they wanted 😂

It might have actually been 5070ti im not sure. One of the two. Either way it is insane to me

[plucky quail]

We should have 12GB in a 5060 Right? If we would go with the PS4 and 2017 GPU era, we should have a 5080 with 16GB what we have. BUT with a 5080 you are paying for the "Nvidia Feature" what takes extra extra Vram. So today we should have Extra vram over the 2017 Standard.

So basically you never have enough Vram least on Nvidia GPUs except 5090 or 4090 lol

[hollow kettle]

I might buy a new 14900kf for $400 instead of buying 9800x3D for about $400 plus am5 motherboard and possibly new 32gb ddr5

[ionic remnant]

Ah fk

Would be surprised they do a gpu more expensive than 5080 so more than 1200

[coarse linden]

Big chips cost lot more

[plucky quail]

Chiplet?

[coarse linden]

latency issues still last i heard

[plucky quail]

If they want to make it cheaper they need Chiplet. Else why not just buy Nvidia

[coarse linden]

i mean research is ongoing on that for sure

[plucky quail]

Yea the Die would be giant if they dont use Chiplet.

[coarse linden]

Id say Nvidia will beat AMD to it simply because more massive R&D

[plucky quail]

Yea its not Intel they have infront of

[coarse linden]

Yields are good so there is no acute need for it

Since folk will pay for the massive monoliths

in the end chiplet wont bring price down

[plucky quail]

I guess but how far they want it to price at. I bet we will se not a 6090 at 2K anymore with better Node.

[coarse linden]

hahah

That node is almost twice as expensive

bloody wafer already costs 10k more

[plucky quail]

No its apparently only 1K more

And the Die gonna be smaller than its now

Also its early 2025 estimate. Late 2026 is also something else

[coarse linden]

2nm wafers last i heard hit over 30k while 4nm were around 20k

[plucky quail]

I 2nm is really new and high end but 3nm we have already in many things

If its that expensive then intel coulnt hold up with AMDs 9000 series pricing. It would been much more expensive then the 14th gen

4nm did go mass production in 25 so i guess 27 it will have mass production of 3nm already

[coarse linden]

4 been in mass production since 22 tho?

[plucky quail]

From outlets its saying since early 2024 that its mass production going to start in 2025

[tropic bobcat]

3090s still go for close to $1k, more even maybe.

[ionic remnant]

Rumors say nvidia and amd might both use 3nm which is great

Hope its true

[nimble nexus]

My 9070xt Red Devil special edition has arrived

Happy days

[tawny thicket]

nice buy

[worn jay]

Gg

Red devil goated

[nimble nexus]

Yeah, gotta get the quality. I know it's a few extra £££, but ity is worth it.

Got the special edition to with the alternative back plate

and its a monster of a card... Also had to get a new PSU, got the MSI A1000, seeing at it was 30 quid off and comes with 6c PCIE 8-pins, rahter then the silly cable that nVidia uses

upgraded my case too a Lian LI 216 Lancool.... Fantastic case and was only £90

I got some happy building to do over the next couple of days

[ionic remnant]

whats the cheapest you can get a 9070xt ? 650 usd ? in europe its 650 eur right now

[nimble nexus]

£599.99 I have seen them go in the UK, for the cheapest.

[ionic remnant]

what about the 5070ti

in france lowest is 790 eur

but that's for the ventus card that not many are a fan of

[nimble nexus]

Well, I haven;t looked at nVidia cards, they have been dead to me since 30 series, absolute scum company.

So upgrading from a 3080 to a 9070xt, going from green to red...

Coz nVidia

[ionic remnant]

which instance of scummery is the reason

cz there are many

[nimble nexus]

The fleecing price hikes, only the 90's getting any real performance increases, not mention the fact that what was once the old 60 class card is now the new 70 class...

To name but a few.

Oh and lies and scummy marketing....

Just an all round insidious scummy company

[ionic remnant]

a lot of people say that about the old 60 card is now the 70 card, why do they say that ? because of the memory bus ?

[nimble nexus]

you got it the wrong way round, the old 70 is the new 60 😄

Your way makes it sound like you a getting abetter upgrade 😄

And no, it's lotss of things including performance and series uplifting.

The video from Hardware Unboxed explains it better.... Oh and the price of cards is a fecking joke.

[ionic remnant]

Woopsnyes thats what i meant

[nimble nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD3CAPErRa4

watch that, that explains it in more detail than I ever could by typing.

[nimble nexus]

No worries... Do it all the time 😄

Humans really are nuggets, lol!!

[worn jay]

gotta play that morrowind 16k

[ionic remnant]

I am playing turtle wow on my igpu rn

xD waiting for the new gpu and refund for the old one

[plucky quail]

Not its the price and what you get from it.

[nimble nexus]

Are igpu good for streaming?

Rather than the main one?

[plucky quail]

Yea really good but thats more Intel thing cuz they have Quicksync

I dont know how good AMDs IGPUs are

[nimble nexus]

Okay, that is interesting to know.

Hmmmm.

Good to know it is possible.

Thank you

[tawny thicket]

as long as the particular IGP in question has HW encoding

[tawny thicket]

going rather well

[worn jay]

This is why I love igpu in the core ultra

It got hands

Nova lake supposedly has celestial in it, skipping battle mage

So it may just kill off the budget Rx 480s

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/images/igp-counter-strike-2-1920x1080.png

https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-9-285k/images/igp-spider-man-remastered-1280x720.png

[plucky quail]

Come on guys its not that bad. I use it for recording and editing and multitasking. But 8 Ecores less are pretty fine that would be 2 Extra P cores that intel gets. 10P and 8E? would that be good combo?

[plucky quail]

They have Intels AV1 no? AV1 on intel is a Beast. Intel didnt lie when said Ultra is for Content creators.

[worn jay]

Igpu the only positive thing about the code ultra series

[plucky quail]

Yes

Prob as a big streamer i would go with Ultra

[waxen tartan]

Good day! Help me please, I have a problem with lighting, when I enter the room it is as bright as heaven. Screenshot in another chat.

[ionic remnant]

is it even better than the one in the 7800x3d ?

oh just saw the images

[ionic remnant]

that might be insane honestly, the igpu would be more than enough to play old games

[worn jay]

It is def

[ionic remnant]

Cant imagine how good the celestial one will be

[worn jay]

It's equivalent to 5700G which main purpose is to have stripped down cpu less cache but have a GPU

[ionic remnant]

They also get affected by the driver updates intel keeps bringing to their gpus ?

[worn jay]

Check the 14900k iGPU compared to it

[ionic remnant]

Oh damn, double fps

[worn jay]

Bm + celestial will also be double combined

And cpu fixes hoping it'll be at least 9800x3d equivalent

[tawny thicket]

most AMD ZEN 4/5 IGP's are there for a display output, nothing else

same as intel pre Error lake

[ionic remnant]

I mean its pretty decent

[nimble nexus]

Hoping 7900 has one I'm good

[plucky quail]

🫳🏼 🫴🏼 they have good Codec

[tawny thicket]

you mean 7900 XTX ? absolutely

[nimble nexus]

Ryzen 7900 CPU, I got a 3080...

Just got a 7090xt red Devil, wondering if my igpu cold be used for the streaming, and the 7090xt for the gaming

[plucky quail]

Either you mean 9070XT or 7900XT

idk yet what you mean

[tawny thicket]

it has one, its just super weak

like VEGA 3 level
as i said, just for a display output

[nimble nexus]

Hmmmm could get an 8 series CPU, they. Have RDNA 3 graphic processer

I will test it out at some point

[nimble nexus]

AMD has 2 types of 7900.

One is a CPU, that has 7900 and 7900x. Both of which have an igpu, Integrated GPU.

The other is 7900xt and 7900XTX. Which are both full on GPU monsters.

And I was wondering if the CPU with it's igpu, could be used for streaming.

[tawny thicket]

even if it did have an encoder you'd be better of just using AV 1 on your 7900 XT

[nimble nexus]

I don't have a 7900xt, I have a 3080, with a 7900 CPU.

But I just got a 9070xt

[tawny thicket]

oh

im still getting conjittersd
just use encoding on the 9070, no point even attempting it on the IGP

much better quality on H264 VS IGP/RDNA 3/2, and AV 1 support

[nimble nexus]

Does OBS do AV1 for AMD.... Been looking into it....

[tawny thicket]

it does for recording but not for streaming
streaming only supports x264 and H264

[nimble nexus]

Well that just sucks bal.....

[tawny thicket]

on RDNA 4 H264 isnt bad though

its actually as good if not a little better than NVENC

[nimble nexus]

Something to look forward too

[tawny thicket]

RDNA 3 VS 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpxF83IBrUY&t

[plucky quail]

I cant tell you that. I hardly find anything about it streaming. Maybe it doesint have the codec and really only works as display output.

[tropic bobcat]

Hah. Get it. Fan of? Because the fans suck.

[plucky quail]

Sadly Twitch is so old they still use h264

[ionic remnant]

Ahahha

[tawny thicket]

lol
the worst codec for low bitrates

[plucky quail]

Well on that use the 9070XT h264 it beats even Nvidia in that

[plucky quail]

real i bet Nvidia has some play in it. I cant imagine why they would post pone the AV1 Update

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiHN3NUbIjU

NVENC AV VS ARC AV 1

[plucky quail]

Lol claiming they are the best and loosing to dying Intel.

[tawny thicket]

its peak cherry picking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgbz7LFmMHY

i suppose DLSS CNN gets bested by every prorper ML upscaler

[ionic remnant]

please a dlss update

[worn jay]

@ionic remnant The new celestial iGPU could be used for lossless scaling dual GPU

[plucky quail]

Even better XeSS Upscaler 🙂

Dont they all have NPUs?

[worn jay]

they do

[ionic remnant]

that'd be insane honestly

however my brother used lossless scaling when it was version 2,0 or 2.1 on his 2080ti along side 5070ti and the 2080ti wasnt keeping u p

but idk maybe the new gpu will be better at FP4-8-16-32 or which ever is used

[nimble nexus]

Thanks for the heads up

[worn jay]

https://www.techpowerup.com/339702/intel-brings-avx10-2-to-desktop-starting-with-nova-lake-processors

[ionic remnant]

wish intel pulls itself together

we need competition in both gpu and cpus

[tawny thicket]

https://gpuopen.com/learn/amd-fsr3-ue5-6-redstone/

[ionic remnant]

fsr3.1.4 getting a big update ?

wait no that's not what they mean

[tawny thicket]

no, not really, its just the UE plugin release

[tawny thicket]

-of .4

for 5.6

[worn jay]

least hopeful i am for the fabs
for cpu they will bounce back eventually and gpus

[plucky quail]

Biggest need is the Fab to get back to track. With only TSMC the prices go only Up.

[worn jay]

the new ceo is sabotaging it ;')

[plucky quail]

The firing of people if not even the bad thing its the closing of Fabs that are half way build.

[worn jay]

He seems to be scaling down a lot and deleting future nodes development thats already been done

Celestial could've been manufactured in house for much cheaper but he decided to nuke it

[ionic remnant]

is intel still at 10nm(14)+++++++++++++

[worn jay]

nah its gonna be 18A+++++++++++++ now

their node names are all over the place

Intel's 18A process technology is generally considered to be in the same performance class as TSMC's N2 (2nm-class) process node. While Intel's 18A is designed to be more performant, TSMC's N2 is expected to offer higher transistor density.

great node probably worse yields than tsmc but probably like 3x cheaper cus TSMC likes gouging

[ionic remnant]

huh

but somehow intel's uses 2x the tdp

[plucky quail]

Let’s hope 14A is somewhat of a hit.

[ionic remnant]

GPU inbound to my location, i repeat GPU inbound

Same for the refund so it seems

[tawny thicket]

Gotta gatekeep it somehow i guess
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/106861/amds-new-entry-level-radeon-rx-9060-limits-overclocking-to-just-10-mhz/index.html

[worn jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5jtoku5u8
@ionic remnant

[ionic remnant]

Do you think the new ones will utilize xess better than regular gpus ?

[worn jay]

65 FPS doom eternal 1080p medium iGPU

[ionic remnant]

Stupidest thing i've read
Literal gatekeeping

[worn jay]

we dunno about the xe3 and xess3

[ionic remnant]

5070Ti with OC and a tiny undervolt gets really close to 5080

Its a free 3000mhz memory on any card

And at least +350mhz clock

[tropic bobcat]

Digital Foundry sure didn’t last long with IGN.

[wooden rapids]

Long time no chat here

How is Intel doing?

[tropic bobcat]

Not good.

[plucky quail]

Bad worse than we thought

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWIOU15pNpA

YOOO

[tropic bobcat]

Yes.

[plucky quail]

I am playing on all low 1440P and still get GPU bottlenecked. GPU still around 95%

Tho i am getting 200FPS with all low

CPU usage is the highest i ever had. I have 92% usage on the 14900K so its also using the E cores. Finally some game that gets full use of that.

[ionic remnant]

ngl wish i could wait enough to get a 5080 Super

but i guess it's smarter to get a 5070ti for a good price and renew quicker

[nimble nexus]

Or avoid nVidia all together and not support such a scummy company.

Until they change their ways.

Installing my 9070xt later, PSU arriving around 12:30...

Then my precious, then...

[ionic remnant]

had a bad experience with my 7900xtx

so i am good with nvidia for this gen and not buying the cheapest 3rd party model of the gpu

[worn jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059847760842588221/1403267924717994034/Screenshot_2025-08-08-08-44-34-209_com.google.android.youtube-edit.jpg?ex=6896ee98&is=68959d18&hm=09e23dfd91018d82241ec1cbbe961d4c642a986a0120f82e767a7a9b6f8f15cc&=&format=webp&width=1189&height=658

[ionic remnant]

need the 6060 to be basically a 5070 (same perf and vram)

[plucky quail]

36°C in my room. Outside temp is 25°C

https://imgur.com/a/Cfvxe3g

[ionic remnant]

are you actually reaching 100 degrees

[plucky quail]

This CPU Usage highest ever recorded 92%

[ionic remnant]

what kind of cooler do you even have

get yourself an artic freezer 3 pro 360 asap with some good paste

[plucky quail]

Even the E Cores are cooked. I never had this kind of usage.

BF6 turns to be a FIRE game

[ionic remnant]

is the game good

[plucky quail]

https://www.bequiet.com/de/watercooler/3743

[plucky quail]

Gameplay is like BF4

[ionic remnant]

this should be a good cooler wtf

[plucky quail]

I am sweating rn

[ionic remnant]

intel and their insane TDPs

[plucky quail]

30min game btw

[plucky quail]

253w yk

[worn jay]

the new peytor 130 from TR air cooler is as good as some 360mm aios which is crazy

probably no point of buying 360 mm aio cus of longevity

[plucky quail]

Some buy it cuz it looks cool and has a LCD screen

But even with the best cooler i think i never will cool this with my room reaching almost 40°C with the window open

[ionic remnant]

i feel laptops with ryzen vs intel should work so much better since the biggest bottleneck in laptops is the cpu reaching 100 degrees

[worn jay]

Pros

+

Strongest air-cooling performance I’ve tested yet
+

Competitive with entry-level 360mm AIOs
+

Exceptional noise-normalized performance
+

Reasonable $52.90 US price

Cons

-

None!

reivew from toms hardware xD

[ionic remnant]

you got the thermalright peerless assassin ?

i got it as well

[worn jay]

phantom spirit 120 which is tad better 1-2c but the same

[plucky quail]

con no RGB = no extra FPS

[ionic remnant]

sometimes i say i should get a arctic freezer 3 pro but at the same time, i doubt it matters on my 7800x3d

[worn jay]

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/MymTyHn9auURxz7qr3uZHo-970-80.png.webp

[plucky quail]

Guys what you think should i buy really high end thermal paste? just for 2°C

[worn jay]

get the ptm one

[plucky quail]

Damn 9€

i thought its gonna be 2x of that

[worn jay]

i wanted to get 1 but not available here

[plucky quail]

I hate that i need to buy all of this crap to just hold this CPU under 100°C

I can also buy Kryosheet thats also Available

[plucky quail]

https://imgur.com/a/drjZdej

Agree or disagree?

[ionic remnant]

someone ever heard of GALAX HoF gpus

apparently it's super niche gpus with insane overclocking the 5070ti has 24 phase vrms, for context that's as much as a good 5090

i cant even find where to buy one in europe, just wanted to see price, if it's the same price as regular high end gpus, it would be worth

super hyped for Celestial intel gpus

[worn jay]

nova lake integrated celestial 😼

[worn jay]

I would choose 5060ti 16gb first

5090 4th spot cus of how overpriced it is

9060 xt 16gb 2nd

[ionic remnant]

worried if nvidia actually goes for 3nm for 60 series
the 6070 would be faster than my 5070ti

[worn jay]

Prolly will to have the leading edge tech

[worn jay]

If it's a good leap 5080 => 6070

[ionic remnant]

highly doubt the possibility of that

[plucky quail]

The 5060TI that you buy at 450?

[ionic remnant]

not because nvidia cant do it, but nvidia dont want to do it, they will reduce their tdp by 50W and enforce it through hardware, to just nerf them

[worn jay]

It's 417 euro atm

[worn jay]

If udna is good
They just give more die to the lower end to catch up

5050 is less than a 1060 laptop lmao

92% market share= they don't care if they give us igpu on desktop marked as 5050

[ionic remnant]

on 3nm the 6050 and 6060 will be great for laptops, especially if paired with a zen6 2nm cpu

maybe for once laptops wont overheat

[ionic remnant]

refund started

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[tawny thicket]

i dont agree with having the 5070 TI ahead of the 9070 XT
and the 5090 just due to its price does not deserve 2nd place

[ionic remnant]

honestly now the 5070ti you can find insane deals and get it for 750-780 eur

it's starting to become worth

[ebon epoch]

5070 being 12gb vram is the biggest trap there is

[ionic remnant]

but the 5070 SUPER will be worth

[tawny thicket]

its only 12GB so that the super card can have a purpase for existing

[ionic remnant]

just hope the price stays decent, cz now you can find the 5070 at 520-550 eur in europe (these are really once in a gpu life time deals)

[ebon epoch]

idk, imo, anything above the 5060ti is just unreasonable price wise

[ionic remnant]

rn paying 100 eur extra and getting a 9070XT is just the better move no questions asked

[ebon epoch]

I personally haven't been as lucky as to see the 5070ti for under 800, but even that price is just silly

[ionic remnant]

where do you live

[ebon epoch]

yeah I've seen pretty good deals on 9070xt prebuilts

[tawny thicket]

bu--but RR ! a-and DLSS transformers o-oh, and dont forget MFG, you gotta get those, games are unplayable without them

[ebon epoch]

let's say spain. Cheapest I've been able to find is 920€ give or take (without going into the more sketchy side of things)

[ionic remnant]

i've refunded my 5070ti PNY x-rgb oc plus for 900 eur during prime
to get a 5070ti Zotac Amp extreme infinity for 100 euro less frm germany, i also get 5 years of waranty if i manage to register it on their website vs 3 with PNY

[ebon epoch]

I mean to me it doesn't super matter, I got a 5060ti for under 400 bucks and I'm gonna ride it for like the next 2-3 years

at this point in time the bottleneck on my computer is my cpu, which is a 5600x. Upgrading to anything else am4 is not economical, and upgrading into am5 is way too expensive

[ionic remnant]

sent u in dms a 5070ti for 800

[tawny thicket]

why not here

[ionic remnant]

it's a spanish shop as well

[ebon epoch]

even if I was in the market for a gpu, 800 bucks for one is just stupid, sorry.

[ionic remnant]

https://www.pccomponentes.com/tarjeta-grafica-msi-geforce-rtx-5070-ti-ventus-3x-oc-16gb-gddr7-reflex-2-rtx-ai-dlss4

[late ferry]

devox has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ionic remnant]

i can find u a better one if i search more, this model isnt great

[ebon epoch]

between a 5070ti for 800 and a 9070rx prebuilt for 1500, I know what I'm getting

and again, 5060ti can't really fully stretch its legs with a 5600x anyway

I'll prolly just get a prebuilt once next generation comes out

[ionic remnant]

i am going to get kicked if i continue

[ebon epoch]

wolf's just being a silly billy

[plucky quail]

I would put the 5070TI higher than the 5090.

5090 Is also less worth than the 5070TI right?

[ionic remnant]

i built a pc for my gf like 6 months ago,

grabbed 160 eur 5700x3d off aliexpress,
b550m forgot which but was rated S tier on spreadsheet for 80 eur it was second hand from a shop with 1 year waranty,
3060ti 190 eur 2nd hand,
case 50 eur it's an old msi white case,
25 eur thermalright assassin king
55 eur 32gb 3200mhz ddr4 discounted ram

total was like 700 eur was insane value

[plucky quail]

Or did the 5090 have better Price to performance?

[tawny thicket]

its more than twice as expensive yet its not twice as fast

folk switching to RDNA 4 from Nvidia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccdqVA8RKTU

[ionic remnant]

i dont see how 9070XT is rated worse than 5070ti

[tawny thicket]

US shenanigans IMO

[plucky quail]

Yea so the 5070TI should be higher.

[ionic remnant]

i have a 5070ti btw and could have went for 9070XT and i still admit the 9070XT is the better deal

[plucky quail]

Tcy did also switch

[ebon epoch]

having to give up on dlss would be a kick in the nuts for me, but yeah, right now the 9070xt is very much worth putting up with the headaches of breaking the nvidia trend

[plucky quail]

But i think the MSRP shoulnt be counted as a EUan its just completely diff

[tawny thicket]

you can just use opti to get FSR 4 in pretty much any game too

[ebon epoch]

yeah, but to me fsr doesn't hold a candle to dlss sorry

[tawny thicket]

@pure ibex @foggy ferry

[plucky quail]

@pure ibex

[tawny thicket]

not even FSR 4 ? 🤔

[pure ibex]

Already got it

[ebon epoch]

I mean you can get much better performance out of fsr for sure, but it still has noticeable ghosting when you push it

at least in my experience, I mean.

[plucky quail]

did you see my 14900K temp in bf6 and the usage?

[pure ibex]

No

[ionic remnant]

bro has a furnace

[pure ibex]

Unlucky though

Apparently v cache has a 30 percent performance boost over 14900k

Immense L

[plucky quail]

.

[plucky quail]

i get 200 while 9800X3D gets 270

[pure ibex]

Intel is washed my friend

[tawny thicket]

have you tried FSR 4* yet ?

[plucky quail]

[ebon epoch]

pretty sure I have

[tawny thicket]

i'll admit that FSR 4's biggest weakness is ghosing, especially around fine lines

[ebon epoch]

stalker 2 has fsr4 support yeah?

[tawny thicket]

WDYM pretty sure i have ?

[tawny thicket]

you can only use it on RDNA 4 GPU's so unless you had one of them i doubt you have

[ebon epoch]

I mean I'm sure I have used FSR in both stalker 2 and mohun wilds but I don't specifically recall if it was fsr 4

[plucky quail]

Maybe i can get the timings lower on my Ram.

[ebon epoch]

oh okay in that case no I guess

[plucky quail]

Get some cache myself

[ionic remnant]

i also think dlss4 really needs a 4.5

[pure ibex]

I’ve not tried fsr4 yet

[ionic remnant]

before we can start debating if it's as good as native

[pure ibex]

But it runs at around 130fps with fsr on quality

[tawny thicket]

you have a 9070 XT no ?

[pure ibex]

Liken 110 at native res

Yah

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN6LQFJ15U0

What he gets only 30 FPS less than me with a 5600! I cant how

AND MY is running WITH Ecores to get extra FPS

Maybe i get more if i disable Ecores?

🤔

[pure ibex]

My 7950x3d loads the entire cpu

[tawny thicket]

native is TAA, and TAA is complete and utter garbage in 99% of games

[pure ibex]

So it might boost fps if I disable the none v cache cores

[plucky quail]

Yea so mine i might turn Ecores of cuz they eat Cache

[pure ibex]

Though the game runs really well

Like never did I get any lag spikes

[tawny thicket]

even FSR 3.1 at quality mode is often more playable than TAA

[pure ibex]

I mean I saw some visual bugs

The menu for the challenges broke for me at one point but

Other wise game is fairly well optimized

[plucky quail]

I had bug where i spawned in a Car at same time exploded and i died. The UI bugged and i coulnt die till i left the game

I pray that Intel is giving APO update. Its already sponsored by intel

[pure ibex]

I also think defibs are bugged

They work instantly with out finishing the animation

Which I doubt is intended

[plucky quail]

That is like the older games. tho you get less HP when getting up

so its a trade

[pure ibex]

Nah I thought in bf4 they had a charge up animation

[tawny thicket]

https://imgsli.com/NDAzNTYy
https://imgsli.com/NDA0NzI4

as long as TAA is "native" pretty much every upscaler is better than native

[pure ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/comments/1mk1ahz/battlefield_6_beta_performance_is_great_9070_xt/

[plucky quail]

I think you could hold.

[pure ibex]

I’m only missing like 10 fps I guess

Though maybe I can undervolt my gpu a bit

[tawny thicket]

https://imgsli.com/MzQ1MzAx
IIRC upscalers at quality mode, 3.1 for FSR here

[plucky quail]

I have 10 FPS more on max

Tho i dont have FSR4 lol

[ebon epoch]

cpu at 85C, gpu at 80C

computer getting super huggable lately

[pure ibex]

What gpu do you have

[plucky quail]

XTX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atHeoq6_uF4
@tawny thicket

[pure ibex]

Oh

Also apparently there isn’t fsr4 in the beta

You can mod it in but

That would likely result in a ban

[plucky quail]

Nah i dont risk the ban on this game 🙂

[pure ibex]

People have gotten banned from older bf games for using reshade so

Think it’s best to just wait for it to be added lol

[tawny thicket]

there is also an AMD profile inspector thing, that could make the driver think its on trhe whitelist and allow you to use FSR 4

[tawny thicket]

without risking a ban like with optiscaler

[plucky quail]

So does it get it later? Cuz Nvidia has DLSS right?

[pure ibex]

I’m sure it will be added in full release

[plucky quail]

My AMD app cant even read the FPS

[pure ibex]

I use afterburner

Why the fuck using the amd or nvidia overlays

Both are total trash compared to afterburner

Msi still paying a single Russian man in a shack somewhere to keep updating riva tuner

[plucky quail]

??? THe nvidia yes i agree i used it for 1 week but AMDs has all the stuff you need except for the CPU cuz i have intel

[pure ibex]

It’s still worse than riva tuner

Riva is and always will be better

[plucky quail]

Not far from it tho

[pure ibex]

It works with everything no matter what the hw is

[plucky quail]

I hate that i cant see the Vram usage on Nvidia

[pure ibex]

It even works with shit so old it doesn’t have cuda

Though not properly

[plucky quail]

did you get it to work on BF6ß

[pure ibex]

Uh yah?

The only thing I’ve found it to not work on is Roblox

[plucky quail]

Somehow it doesnt want to work on Steam BF6

[pure ibex]

I’m playing on steam bf6

[plucky quail]

it doesnt start i press the shortcut and it doesnt open up

[pure ibex]

Worked fine for me

I guess I’m built different

[plucky quail]

I am testing other games and it works fine but somehow BF6 doesnt want to. What ever it might work on the full release

But i use Steam Stat

that works and the new update is cool

[pure ibex]

Idk maybe I’ve set it up different lol

[tawny thicket]

gotta hide the fact that 8GB is no where near enough

[plucky quail]

I wanted to see if i was vram limited with 4070S on PT 1440P with DLSS4 Q and i then saw they dont want to show it. Only the Vram speed

[tawny thicket]

i bet you were
given at 1080p with quality upscaling its around 13GB for me IIRC

[plucky quail]

yea i was riva came to help

[pure ibex]

In riva we trust

[ionic remnant]

whats riva

riva uninstaller ? does it make any difference

is it too late for me to clean up old uninstalls ?

[plucky quail]

Since then i am 100% against 12gb cards that are higher than 60class

[pure ibex]

Riva tuner is part of msi afterburner

It’s the performance overlay

[ionic remnant]

I didnt install it

Thought it was a virus

[plucky quail]

I rather buy 50€ more for 9070 than a 5070 that looks crap

[pure ibex]

Nah it’s the best performance overlay period

Been developed by one guy for nearly 20 years

[plucky quail]

what i am flabbergasted of is that people find the Nvidia App "Good". one guy in siberia makes a 100x better overlay than a Trillion dollar company

[pure ibex]

Trillion dollar now

[ionic remnant]

Trillion

[pure ibex]

Only downside to afterburner is outside of riva tuner it has very little functionality with Radeons

At least when I tried using it with the 9070 xt 50 of the options for tunning don’t even exist on afterburner

It does with old Radeons

But amd made there gpus complicated you can’t just make number bigger

[past escarp]

5090 is just a overpriced firehazard

[nimble nexus]

My 9070xt Red Devil is now up and running, jsut got some tweaking to do and boom 😄

Went to install, Windows 11 on the spare SSD... deleted the wrong bloody drive and lost my lovely tuned bazzite drive 🙁

so going to a but a 1 maybe 2 Tb, SSD gen 5 I think instead. And put bazzite on that.

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD_f8tmAfxU

Max 1440P bf6 XTX

[tropic bobcat]

New PC?

[plucky quail]

I think just upgraded GPU

[hollow kettle]

TAA or FSR native AA ?

[plucky quail]

FSR AA

[hollow kettle]

I wasnt watching my fps yesterday im about to load in to see. I am curious how my fps is compared to yours

[plucky quail]

I maxed all so more than the ultra setting

[hollow kettle]

Did you use GTAO High or SSGI High

Conquest on Siege of Cairo i was getting 110-120 fps everything max fsr AA 1440p

[plucky quail]

SSGI high

Best of the best. All to the right

[fiery wigeon]

Also, try TSR 🙂 I have better results with TSR in both native or 80% upscale on my 6900xt @4k

TSR looks a bit more crisp and a little bit better fps

And if needed, FSR 3.1 framegen works with TSR

[tawny thicket]

BF 6 has TSR
wut

[ebon epoch]

can't find a comprehensive list anywhere, are there any particularly cpu intensive settings?

[tawny thicket]

draw distance, LOD stuff

culling especially

[ebon epoch]

hm, thank you

[tawny thicket]

some games let you adjust crowd density (eg: cyberpank), there thats the one to change

[ebon epoch]

yeah no I just meant in stalker 2 specifically.

if it's lod and draw distance stuff I'm afraid I'll have to put up with 30 fps zalissya lol

[tawny thicket]

what CPU ? 30fps is less than my 3600 level thing managed

[ebon epoch]

5600x

[tawny thicket]

brhu
the game got less optimized ?

[ebon epoch]

not really, feels more or less like it was. I mean it's not always 30 fps, but it will definitely get down to mid 40s as I'm approaching and it will go down to 30 on occasion. It's okay in the field though

[tawny thicket]

MEDIUM preset 1080p FSR Q FG:OFF

wilderness
60 avg
48 1%
40 0.1%

first settlement
45 avg
23 1%
20 0.1%

[tawny thicket]

patch 1.1 on my 5600G + RX 6600 rig

first settlement = zallishya

[ebon epoch]

honestly, I think performance is pretty much as it was on launch

[tawny thicket]

if it was you should be getting more than 55fps in zallishya

[ebon epoch]

though I do remember it crawling hard on zalissya, it's not as bad now

[tawny thicket]

or maybe its just Nvidia driver overhead shenanigans 🤔
but i didnt think they'd be so severe

[ebon epoch]

idk, cpu usage is pretty much a 90% average for the entire playtime now for me, definitely what's bottlenecking my rig

but any am4 upgrades aren't worth it and I'm not willing to get an am5 mobo and cpu and ram at this point in time yet

[tawny thicket]

that doesnt sound right...

did you DDU your drivers ?

[ebon epoch]

not sure what ddu has to do with it but yes I DDU'd my drivers when I bought my latest gpu

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eFXr85pQq1AL8Ec81wz3fb-Ijedaq5PP/view
this is my performance graph over about a couple hours of playing, red is cpu.

green is 5060ti, that's on DLAA 1080p, still quite a bit of overhead

[lunar maple]

I have the same experience with my R5 5600X it is what it is.

[tawny thicket]

just that Nvidia drivers can be funny znless you DDU them

[lunar maple]

(And I have an AMD GPU before we blame NVIDIA driver)
There are some performance optimization mods that can help a few FPS and help the 1% lows, but that's about it.

[tawny thicket]

welp, that was not my experience on a 5600G on patch 1.1 thats for sure
was more like 50 to 60%

maybe i should test stalker again🤔

[tawny thicket]

been a year since i last played

[ebon epoch]

I hadn't touched the game since about february myself

I remember zalissya got unbearably stuttery to the point of almost locking the game down, at least that's sorted, and honestly, when out and about I'm kinda surprised that the game can keep 60-50 pretty effortlessly. It has its ups and downs but ynow

I'm kinda curious to see how it'll fair once you reach sircaa

[tropic bobcat]

These mods don’t work btw.

[lunar maple]

I'm in the same boat tho xd. I don't want to buy an R7 X3D cpu, but also don't want to switch to AM5 platform for like 15% uplift or so. It would only worth it if I would have a larger sum of money.

[tropic bobcat]

The “commands” they use are often non-functional.

S.2 Optimization Tweaks for example makes the game run worse actually.

[lunar maple]

Well, they don't help too much, that's for sure. I tried one and it wasn't really game changing. It helped with 1% lows tho

[tropic bobcat]

No I mean they literally don’t work at all lol.

[ebon epoch]

I made the questionable decision to get a 5060ti, I'll probably get a prebuilt once the next generation hits but for now I'm gonna have to hunker down with what I have

[tropic bobcat]

They don’t help anything, at all. Even Digital Foundry came to the same findings. It’s placebo.

[tropic bobcat]

16GB?

[ebon epoch]

yes, wanted a 5070ti but I'm not paying 4 figures for one

[lunar maple]

RivaTuner doesn't lie.

[tropic bobcat]

It does actually.

You just think it worked due to shader compilation. When in reality it does nothing.

[lunar maple]

Wdym? For both test cases it precompiles shaders.

[tropic bobcat]

I even did some testing myself because I was curious, Rostok went from 90 FPS to 45 FPS with one of these mods.

[tawny thicket]

none of those mods really "optimize" anything

[lunar maple]

"Now that was a big mistake" as someone would have said it haha. Early on tho I believe these "optimization" mods were really bad. Even now they are not really helping. They do something, just not too much.

[tropic bobcat]

https://youtu.be/FTAW38VTIJQ?si=Cg-585hJB4pyp9jZ

im gonna side with DF on this one chief.

[tawny thicket]

they either do nothing or make the game ugly thus gaining performance

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, it’s pretty widely known that they do nothing if not make the game run worse. I’ve spent dozens of hours testing these supposed mods and across all games the result is the same. Check the mod author and you’ll see they have dozens of these mods across different games. They’re just copy and pasting the same commands half of which don’t work at all because they’re wrong.

[lunar maple]

K, for me it worked for 1% lows. I mentioned it so others can at least try it if they would like to.

[tropic bobcat]

Take Days Gone for example. Every command has to have “Bend” in front of it despite it being Unreal Engine. These “modders” don’t know that because they have not one singular clue what they’re actually doing and just copying and pasting the same garbage.

[tawny thicket]

i DO remember one in particular that helped with frame time consistency, but it also lowered the avarage fps IIRC 🤔

[tropic bobcat]

I’ll take the average fps pls.

The frame times in this game are fine imo. It’s tied to FPS anyway.

[tawny thicket]

exactly
almost all of these INI edits are just mashups of hundreds of commands copy pasted from games where they actually did something, and the people who post them just assume they'll work in every game

[tropic bobcat]

The visual ones can work. Just depends on what you are looking for.

That’s also assuming those commands are correct, also and not just another copy and paste from another game.

[tawny thicket]

they come from mods like this: (self promo, sry, couldnt find something faster than this)
https://github.com/Lightning999933/Satisfactory-Graphical-tweaks/releases/tag/v0.5.2
where its actually been tested and tuned for a specific game, but if i then insert this mod i made to other games they might not do anything, or they might make it worse

[tropic bobcat]

cough S.2 Optimization Tweaks.

[lunar maple]

And there is also a big question mark if the customized engine stalker runs on even listens to these arguments. So yeah. I tried once to tinker with these engine.ini stuff, play with vram pool sizes, assett streaming frame wait behavior and such but tbh I didn't have the patience to test them all lmao. Every time having to wait for that shader compilation is... not funny

[tropic bobcat]

It’s the worst offender by far in this game.

[tropic bobcat]

You can disable that compilation if you really want to. Personally I don’t.

[tawny thicket]

for this game i can only recomend this one
https://github.com/ColesyM/S2SettingsGenerator
this also does require lots of tuning to get right

[tropic bobcat]

👀

[tawny thicket]

takes some tuning, but it was made specifically for this game as i understand it

[lunar maple]

Oh my, this looks interesting

[tropic bobcat]

Too bad GitHub sucks for telling you what something actually does. I don’t wanna poke around in files for two hours to figure out what they’re actually doing.

Looks to be a quality fix, so the game will run much much much much much worse then it already does.

See Ultra+ for another example of that.

[tawny thicket]

not just that, it lets you tunes stuff in whatever which way you'd like

HIGH preset 1080p FSR Q FG:OFF
wilderness
50 avg
37 1%
25 0.1%

first settlement
32 avg
16 1%
13 0.1%

MODS testing

S2 optimized Tweaks BASE
wilderness
60 avg
37 1%
20 0.1%

first settlement
33 avg
17 1%
15 0.1%

S2 optimized Tweaks BOOST
(has a shitload of ghosting would NOT recommend)
wilderness
55 avg
35 1%
30 0.1%

first settlement
39 avg
13 1%
10 0.1%

huh, didnt get nuked, im shocked lol

i dug up my testing from a year ago

[tropic bobcat]

a whole one frame at settlements

[lunar maple]

Tbh for the sake of my PC I play Radiophobia 3 recently but that's off topic, sry

[tropic bobcat]

S2 makes rostok run really really really bad.

[tawny thicket]

found the one that made the frametime graph smoother !
TorigaStalkerUltimate (AKA:anti stutter mod)

wilderness
52 avg
38 1%
33 0.1%

first settlement
28 avg
18 1%
10 0.1%

[tropic bobcat]

My guess is they’re just going in and disabling shit lol.

[tawny thicket]

i do belive the anti stutter mod isnt one of those generic ini edits

[tropic bobcat]

I’m not familiar with it, to be honest.

[tawny thicket]

i think they did put in some work and tuned it for this game

all the mods testing from a year ago
http://pastie.org/p/2MiLX9uaEY3IsQ09YbZEmr

do note that many of the mods tested were either renamed or just gone

[ebon epoch]

the torigum mod hasn't been updated since december so ymmv, to put it lightly

I use the optimized tweaks s.2 mod but honestly, don't see much difference if at all.

truth be told I might give the torigum one a whirl, what's the worst that can happen

[lunar maple]

Third explosion

[tawny thicket]

patch 1.1 testing: http://pastie.org/p/3e4vHiM2nHopuyeljq8QFL

launch testing: http://pastie.org/p/0Wr2rQEbifrGOjc2H5HThT

[tawny thicket]

it breaks your game 😎

[ebon epoch]

it breaks your game more

[tawny thicket]

gotta live up to my name

[ebon epoch]

the illusion of free will

[tawny thicket]

you gonna vote ?
(roleplaying politicans Right now )

[tawny thicket]

people just LOVE E-cores

[late ferry]

discostew_ has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[nimble nexus]

No, just a GPU upgrade.

Need a new PSU to cover the 9070XT...

But I cocked up the install, and I sick of having to reinstall everything, so thinking about getting a 2Tb SSD, maybe 5th Gen.

[tropic bobcat]

what psu do you have now?

[nimble nexus]

MSI A1000, seems pretty decent, had 35% off, so went for that.

Got it from overclockers

[tropic bobcat]

i meant before the new one

ive got a 7900xtx and 1000w is a bit much lol.

[nimble nexus]

Corsair RM850...

I got a 9070XT Red Devil, so heck am I playing roulette with that

[tropic bobcat]

why? its a decent unit

[nimble nexus]

The recommended spec for the GPU was 900w... And I know that I am going to be adding stuff tot he PC...

So just gave myself some wiggle room.

[tropic bobcat]

runs off 650w.

thats with a raised power limit.

[nimble nexus]

Also needs 3x 8pin...

[tropic bobcat]

which every psu has.

[nimble nexus]

It's fine... Ican flog the RM850 now along with old GPU

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/bJnYES9.png

[nimble nexus]

Whats that?

a list of compatable PSU's?

[tropic bobcat]

PSU Tier List, aka the "is it shit or not" list.

[nimble nexus]

It's an okay card, it done me well. Never had any issues with it.

[tropic bobcat]

im still happy with my 7900xtx

[nimble nexus]

7900xtx is a beast, but I am upgrading from a 3080. so a big leap for me

[tropic bobcat]

VRAM was the biggest issue with the 3080, that’s a nice upgrade. You had a 10GB model?

[flat brook]

I’m running a 5080 and OC’d 9800X3D off an RM750, you’ll be fine lmao

[coarse linden]

Generally they over estimate psu needed and assume you are running some off brand piece of crap china bomb to make sure it will work and not blow up

Since if they made accurate estimation and something went wrong you could sue them for false marketing

[tropic bobcat]

I’m on a 7900 XTX and probably draw more power than you do and even I’m fine as can be.

[ebon epoch]

I'm running a 5600x, a 5060ti and a 3070 off a 750 and I'm barely breaking 300w on peak load

And I was about to get a 1200 out of the same concern cause online calculators told me I needed like a 800w minimum

[tawny thicket]

Well. That settles it

[ebon epoch]

🔴 😎 🔵

[hollow cairn]

Hey! I was wondering on how good will my new pc run on stalker 2? i have read that the optimasation is terrible but I wanted to know from y'all. The specs are: r7 5800x , rtx 3090 24gb, 32gb ram and a lot of ssd space xD

[flat brook]

The 9800X3D typically draws between 130-140w for me, the 5080 I’ve seen draw just shy of 360w, either way, he’ll be fine.

[ebon epoch]

You should be ok.

what the hell, optimax makes my game look like ahh and run worse lmao

[next moss]

yall send help I have a 4090 laptop with an i9 14900k and it keeps overheating. GPU on idle is normal, 50-60 and 80 when on stalker 2. cpu is constant 80+ on idle and the laptop shut down multiple times on stalker from an overheating killswitch. changed motherboard and thermal paste and nothing changed

I run stalker 2 smoothly on max graphics btw so that's not the problem

[tawny thicket]

while the card rarely ever consumes more than 350W

a 650W PSU could do the job, no doubt (unless you have a 14900KS anyway)

[tawny thicket]

Try capping your fps at 60 or so

That will reduce CPU load which will in turn reduce power consumption and heat

[next moss]

issue is its at 80+ usually 90 on idle without stalker running. reset my pc nothing changed

[tawny thicket]

90c on idle 💀

shoulda bought AMD /s

[tawny thicket]

try undervolting it and if you can, lower the power limit

im not an expert at iether though, wont be of much help going forwards

[ebon epoch]

So I would like to disable upscaling and try just running the game natively at about 80% resolution

but whenever I disable supersampling, the picture looks incredibly oversharpened

not sure if there's a way around this

[tawny thicket]

because you arent just disabling upscaling, you are also disabling AA, and UE games without AA are a complete and utter clustef'ck

[tawny thicket]

just stick to DLSS at quality (or UQ if its an option) mode IMO

or use TSR and set render res to 80% it will probably look worse than DLSS Q though
OR use console commands to enfore 80% no matter what

[ebon epoch]

yeah I was just messing around and honestly tsr ultra quality at 100% scale looks like a good middle point between dlss quality and dlaa

[tawny thicket]

TSR at 100% is just native : I (so same as DLAA)

[ebon epoch]

my gpu can't handle dlaa, but with dlss quality it's sitting at around 70% utilization and has texture quality issues in areas where my cpu's the bottleneck, not the gpu

I imagine, but it doesn't look aliased so it works

and it's definitely not taxing my gpu as much (though it is putting pressure on my cpu)

more like 85% quality but yeah it's way more granular, dlss it's either 100% or 60%

[tawny thicket]

AA mode = 100%
UQ = 76%
Q = 67%
B = 58%
P = 50%
for FSR and DLSS (and TSR in games where it goes off based on presets)

XeSS:
AA mode = 100%
UQ+ = 76%
UQ = 67% (IIRC)
Q = 58%
B = 50%
P = 43%

[tawny thicket]

oh, and the TSR presets in this game do nothing (at least back when i last played)

[ebon epoch]

no ultra quality dlss setting in stalker 2 I'm afraid, it's either quality or straight up dlaa

but yeah I think I'll stick to dlss

you can push it more on tsr but it's very scene dependant, dlss can adapt so it's smoother overall

[tawny thicket]

plus DLSS looks better : ) (even with quality VS UQ on TSR)

[ebon epoch]

I think the problem is that when the fps drops due to factors outside the gpu, dlss tries to compensate by dropping the quality

and textures eventually come into focus but at first blush everything looks like a mess

[tawny thicket]

only DRS* does that (or maybe DLSS auto preset where that exists)

[plucky quail]

You might need to change thermal paste

[reef zenith]

(Insert spit take) xD

My cpu only reaches the 90's when full bore, usually hovers around 60-70 in stalker and such. Them X3D chips are a real shock to looking at temps xD

[tawny thicket]

he's already done that, apparantly

[next moss]

look up, I changed motherboard and paste

[tawny thicket]

probably just a terrible cooling system in that laptop

[next moss]

im on insurance though so I put it up for repair. the first time they "fixed" it it didn't change. now its round 2

[next moss]

no in the store the exact same lineup of the same model I checked their temps it was 30-40 on both cpu and gpu

[tawny thicket]

maybe try elevating the laptop

[next moss]

dont you worry I did that from the start 😂

[tawny thicket]

are you sure it was the exact same model ?

also, what laptop do you have ?

[next moss]

yes they have a few on display

[next moss]

msi raider ge78hx 14vig. its got pretty sure 64gb ram i9 14th Gen and a 4090 16gb. solid build i think the one i got was specifically faulty

[tawny thicket]

||(how do laptop makers keep coming up with these atrocious names holy sh't🤦‍♂️)||

[next moss]

raider stealth titan 🤣

yall I bought the new Asus titan gooner 67

[reef zenith]

Throw a bunch of sticky notes at the wall and whatever sticks is the name xD

[next moss]

do a roulette of a bunch of names and spin it 30 times

[tawny thicket]

like seriously tell me the logic behind VIG > VHG > VGG > VFG if there IS any logic

[next moss]

its screen quality thing

according to the all knowing monolithgpt

[tawny thicket]

||(meanwhile the only diference between those 4 is the GPU )||

[next moss]

huh?

oh there's the laptop model with those different things. im slow

[plucky quail]

You changed motherboard?

[next moss]

they* changed the motherboard

I am very amateur welder

[plucky quail]

Why tho 😭

[next moss]

I do not know what they were thinking but I think they forgot i had insurance and thought they could make me pay a hell lot extra

[spare coral]

That i9 wants to be sent to hell

[next moss]

American hospital situation

[plucky quail]

Don’t remind me of my own

[next moss]

fried like some onion rings

"using stalker 2 to cook eggs irl"

[tawny thicket]

oh how the mighty intel has fallen

[plucky quail]

Just remember least every year to change thermal paste but 6 months is Better

[next moss]

I fix stupid

[plucky quail]

Fallen
Hell ✅

[next moss]

im retarded I cant even open my laptop

[plucky quail]

You need to learn or get someone to do it

Else you will always have 90c

[next moss]

you'll do it for me 👍

[next moss]

I has insurance they will fix

[reef zenith]

It does amaze me how some people spend all this money on a good cpu or gpu.... but cheap right out on the cooling or power xD (Not you ember xP)

[next moss]

its a laptop there's nothing I can do about the cooling situation ❤️

[reef zenith]

I said NOT you xD

I'm very aware, i used to run a laptop with a GT330m 😅

[next moss]

maybe putting ice cubes in the laptop will help

[reef zenith]

That's using the old noggin xD

[next moss]

im relocating my setup to an industrial freezer

[reef zenith]

Better yet, submerge it in an ice bath. Will take ages to heat up

[next moss]

it will never heat up again 🤣

I'll put it in your coldest dam itll work trust

[reef zenith]

My pc remains fairly cool in aussie summers, where my room is 25-30c constant 😭 xD

[plucky quail]

I only see people with really high end cooler and a 7600x