pc-specs

[worn jay]

cheapest 9070 xt on pc part picker is 700$
Cheapest 5070 ti on pc part picker 750$
🤣 well thats not how u win market share

[tawny thicket]

In US AMD prices are a lot more ducked than in europe for some reason

Maybe cuz of the stupid tarriffs ?

[plucky quail]

USA is fcked. The pricing there is just all over. I could not find a 9600X that was in store. Its just feeling dry

[tropic bobcat]

Par for the course for UBM, ignore. I wouldn’t even give them the web traffic.

They couldn’t get the power draw under control.

Meant to reply to this one. 😒

AMD was capable of making a card that was able to beat a 4090, pretty easily actually. It wasn’t even difficult for them to do it but the power draw was out of control to the point they scrapped the project.

[hollow kettle]

Lost my 250 hour save in oblivion when I swapped out ssd and reinstall windows i guess

[coarse linden]

Is that something you can actually buy or isit picking up return cards that some drooling hulk opened with rage?

[tropic bobcat]

You can right now.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RVWmP6/asrock-steel-legend-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx9070xt-sl-16g

it’s in stock at Newegg.

Remember when this card debuted it was listing for about $900 USD, it’s been dropping. It can be regularly found for about $700 USD thereabouts.

[coarse linden]

Thats not 600 tho

[unborn mirage]

just a question. I'm a bit confused on vrams... let's say for example only that i have a 4070 with a 12gb vram. is that better than a 5080 with 8gb vram?

[coarse linden]

Kinda depends. If you like 1080p no.

[unborn mirage]

yes 1080p im good with that so long as the gfx is smooth and looks good

[plucky quail]

In today’s day and age yes

[worn jay]

Probably rare occurrence to even get it at MSRP
only in Germany sometimes

[tropic bobcat]

Oh, good point. I confused the two digits. 😭

[ionic remnant]

I'd pay 50 usd more for a 5070Ti any day of the week

If the difference is only 50

In europe the difference is more 150-200 euros
Which is crazy

You find 9070XT for 650-675 eur

Which is just 100 eur more expensive than than the 5070

[tawny thicket]

if it were MSRP to MSRP then it should just be 50 more than 5070 non TI : )

[worn jay]

100$*

lisa su tax

[tawny thicket]

5070 to 9070 XT is just 50 according to MSRP

[tropic bobcat]

reading is hard i guess

[tawny thicket]

new tag, nice : )

[tropic bobcat]

hm?

[tawny thicket]

your a veteran now : )

[tropic bobcat]

oh, im just awake, didnt even notice

see, told you reading is hard

[tawny thicket]

sure is

[tropic bobcat]

even i cant, or maybe dont, read most of the time. gamers dont read.

hopeful the devs will fix the AA issue in this game but something tells me no.

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/EP27SAy7JF8C

[tropic bobcat]

thats awesome.

[tawny thicket]

The days when you didn't need an aluminum heat sink with multiple fans to cool a GPU

[worn jay]

dont worry rtx 5060 keeping the trend of being a single slot dgpu thinner than a phone

https://static.gigabyte.com/StaticFile/Image/Global/e69354dbb4f78c8054f6634d560bf228/Product/44951/Png

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PIzv8Jd9k1E/hq720.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEhCK4FEIIDSFryq4qpAxMIARUAAAAAGAElAADIQj0AgKJD&rs=AOn4CLCqYRxhQTLHHeNSjTKKJqbXqXAyqg

[ionic remnant]

Yea thats really insane

No reason not to buy the 9070XT in this case

5080 stock performance with some OC and undervolting
For 5070 price +50usd

[worn jay]

if only it were like this

[ionic remnant]

If only

[tawny thicket]

actually, should i UV / OC my 9060 XT ?

[worn jay]

u should

[ionic remnant]

Yes definitely

[tawny thicket]

GPU core is already at 3.3Ghz

[ionic remnant]

You need to use the graph though

[tawny thicket]

its not at max usage though right now

[plucky quail]

It needs external power right ?

[worn jay]

y one 8 pin

[worn jay]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-core-ultra-300k-with-8p-16e-cores-to-feature-big-l3-cache-aims-to-rival-amd-3d-v-cache

[coarse linden]

Great, now only get rid of E and LP cores and i might consider it

Before they make efficiency efficiency efficiency cores for it

[worn jay]

it will have 16P cores

on the top end, for e cores u can disable them

https://x.com/g01d3nm4ng0/status/1934582227503030655

[coarse linden]

Seems tad idiotic to pay for something just to disable it tbh

[tawny thicket]

so ive tested FSR 4 in satisfactory VS 3.1 and XeSS
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMDE0 (factory scene, moving upwards)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMDE1 (forest scene, moving forwards)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMDE2 (grass scene, moving from left to right at a high speed)

[hollow kettle]

Intel cpus are really good deals lately imo

[tawny thicket]

https://imgsli.com/NDAxMDE4 (mixed scene, moving from right to left at a high speed)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMDIw (particles scene, standing still)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMDIx (water scene, standing still)

additional notes..
Lumen is enabled, set to high and so are VSM's enabled through a mod
lumen being enabled is why the grass scene is SOOO blurry on all upscalers except FSR 3.1 (that is just pixelated like hell)
all upscalers were used through/with optiscaler using FFX inputs
i didnt test TAA and TSR cuz im lazy..
AND sometimes the game would default to model 1 on FSR 4 even if the render res was 100%, this makes it a little blurrier than it should be and i didnt always catch this

[hollow kettle]

In adrenalin or optiscaler ? The model #s

[tawny thicket]

optiscaler
i mean, its in the notes if you read it

also, adrenalin stopped working and has the same issue it used to with AFMF but for every RDNA 4 feature now : (

(i had to download the FSR 4 DLL and manually insert it into the game to get it working)

[worn jay]

Yea

[hollow kettle]

When did this happen? Last night my pc was working fine and adrenalin fsr4 was working in AC shadows and stalker

Idk what happen to AFMF before either

[tropic bobcat]

Supposedly.

[hollow kettle]

What ever happen to core ultra 5 120f

6 P core 0 E core on LGA 1700 i heard

[tawny thicket]

only happens if you have an AMD IGP with its driver installed AFAIK

[tropic bobcat]

Nobody knows.

There’s the 125h but that doesn’t really help us here lol.

[tawny thicket]

i just gotta get a diplay port cable and disable the IGP to fix it

(and reinstall drivers)

[coarse linden]

Sharpening gone with FSR 4?

[tawny thicket]

kinda

i think there is sharpening but it gets drowned by lumen blur

without lumen its much sharper in motion

[tropic bobcat]

Lumen 😭😭😭

[coarse linden]

UE5

Also "lUmEn allows potato GPUs have full raytracing without performance hit1111!" and 10 other slogans shills peddled until that wet rag was slammed to their faces

[tropic bobcat]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

That whole statement was hilarious. 😆

[tawny thicket]

LMFAO

"no performance hit" meanwhile the performance hit just on the CPU is like 30%

and on the GPU its like 50%+

[worn jay]

devs have gotten lazy, baked lighting still looks like RT without eating 90% of ur fps

[coarse linden]

I mean point of RT was to save dev time while looking good

[worn jay]

not gonna happen, until it becomes a toggle thay doesnt eat fps

[tawny thicket]

and better reflections : )

[worn jay]

only reason to use rt honestly is for older games

[coarse linden]

Recall some developer saying RT saves month or 2 dev time

[worn jay]

much older

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO3I7AHyMsU

https://prnt.sc/wIm0IGejGW59

[plucky quail]

No way someone RTXed that game that is already one of the best games with lighting

[worn jay]

https://videocardz.com/newz/chinese-lisuan-7g100-gpu-challenges-arc-a770-and-rtx-2080-with-leaked-opencl-score

finally competition 🤣

[hollow kettle]

Im downloading wuchang fallen feathers on game pass another UE5 game I heard performance is awful 😂

[tawny thicket]

i hate that you guys were so right

https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTEx (mixed scene, runing, native)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTE1 (mixed scene, running, Q upscaling)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTE2 (mixed scene, ouput scaling VS no output scaling)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTIw/3/2 (texture quality scene, left to right strafe, Q upscaling)

https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTE4 (texture quality scene, left to right strafe, native)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTIz (water quality scene, standing still, native)
https://imgsli.com/NDAxMTI0 (water quality scene, standing still, Q upscaling)

medium preset at 1080p (textures at epic)
all upscalers through opt, FSR 3.1 was configured to be less reactive than it is by default

FSR 4 tends to ghost on near pixel level lines, its usually nie in other games but in ARK, no, its not fine

it ends up looking like FSR 2.1 for grass, which is 99% of the game

FSR 3.1 is a garbled mess as always, XeAA is straight up broken, and TSR is doing its signature blur everything move

[hollow kettle]

So every upscaler is trash in Ark? I bet dlss is good though. Freaking nvidia paying devs off 😂

[tawny thicket]

from what i saw in kryzzps 3050 video, DLSS also sucks

[tawny thicket]

kryzzpp's quote on DLSS quality mode in ARK at 1080p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9YZ9rMAGM

this is sooo soft and oversharpened at the same time its weird, umm its not the latest implementation of DLSS, im sure of it

[hollow kettle]

This new wuchang game has 9800x3D, 9070 and 32gb ddr5 only getting 60 fps at native 1440p med/low settings...

[hollow kettle]

Ark is just screwed 😂

[tawny thicket]

TBF that was with a bloody 3050

[hollow kettle]

Does that thing even have 8gb vram ? Lol

[tawny thicket]

he tested the 8GB one

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed9-7jvQdW4

[ionic remnant]

And doesnt even look good

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEwhH4qptOE

Could have had this kind of performance.
Its not the GPU we have that are slow its the Games that are just bad

[tropic bobcat]

Sony bought 2.5% of Bandai Namco, interesting…

[worn jay]

@plucky quail
https://x.com/PCGH_Redaktion/status/1948730039865856015?t=d6_kObhemZ4LItPtSUa-uw&s=19

FSR 4 for RDNA 3 continues to make great progress on Linux

[plucky quail]

Only 13% diff to FSR3 performance gains. Thats insane good

I think they really wanted to make a ML FSR3 but had not the time nor the money to do it. Prob thats why they had FSR3 only a year later.
Man but CNN model would rock this.

[worn jay]

the quality alone for fsr4 is worth even if u would get 50% less fps than fsr3, cus FSR 3 was terrible

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeD6gF9eTjU

I find it insane how good it looks and how much FPS you get out of it even if its running on RDNA3.

[worn jay]

if some drunk modders could make it work with RDNA3 , billion dollar company could do it

[tropic bobcat]

Maybe we will see this on windows someday.

Unofficial or not, I’d like to see it regardless. I’d use it too. But I ain’t using Linux just for FSR4 tbh.

[tawny thicket]

50% less than 3 ?
dunno about that..
might as well just use XeSS..

[worn jay]

i do use xess more than fsr3
fsr3 is a shimmering mess, DL2 worst example of it

[tawny thicket]

i actually though 3.1 was okay is (if you adjusted the reactivity anyway) but now that ive used 4, no way id ever use 3.1 again

[tropic bobcat]

So I just realized I had fHDR turned on, disabling it makes my monitor look so much better and more vibrant. I’m pissed lmao.

[worn jay]

fsr 3.1 barely had improvements to fsr 2
its more of a marketing thing for FG

[tropic bobcat]

I’m so angry at myself for not realizing this. Why did you do this, windows?

[plucky quail]

the 13% less come from the uplift FSR3 does so if it only gets you 50% of the 40FPS FSR3 P gives you then its totally fine

[tropic bobcat]

I’d take it tbh.

[tawny thicket]

though, FSR 4 only reduces TAA blur on textures, grass, fine lines.. all of that gets softer if you move
which is surprising to me, thought it was better in that department

[tawny thicket]

well
over FSR 3.0 and 2.2 FSR 3.1 is a massive upgrade, over FSR 2.1 though ? not so much
2.1 often actually looks better

[tropic bobcat]

3.1 actually looks not complete shite.

[worn jay]

i would rather lower my in game settings than use any type of fsr 3

[plucky quail]

I think it depends on the game some games like GoT look insane good with FSR3.1

[tawny thicket]

up to you, just sayin' that 3.1 was better than 3.0* and 2.2

[plucky quail]

But we also got games that look really bad with it

[tropic bobcat]

This was developed with AMD in mind to be fair.

[worn jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F3pURMsnZw

so glad they dumped it and got fsr 4 up

[plucky quail]

But it shows FSR3 is not bad its the Games that implement it. Since its not ML it cant adjust to bad implementations.

[tropic bobcat]

True enough. But I can’t blame them to be honest.

[plucky quail]

Yea i cant too already trying to implement 5 diff Upscaler is hard enough

[tawny thicket]

its actually pretty funny how disabling the reactive mask (a major feature of 3.1) often helps a LOT with shimmering and stuff

[tropic bobcat]

Yep, pretty much. Didn’t make sense to make FSR3 look as good as it could when nobody uses it in the grand scheme of things.

CDPR’s implementation was an embarrassment.

[tawny thicket]

maybe someone with AMD uses it but those people might also just use XeSS or TSR

[tropic bobcat]

I use XESS in cyberpunk.

Usually I just run native.

[plucky quail]

You could say we do the best FSR3 implementation and just use that as the only Upscaler but then you would leave the 80% of people behind that have a DLSS GPU that dont need any "Good" implementation

[modern merlin]

https://www.silverknightpcs.com/shop/S-T-A-L-K-E-R-2-Heart-of-Chornobyl-Gaming-PC-Bundle-w-Keyboard-Mouse-and-Controller-Stalker-p769802134

[tawny thicket]

i use FSR 4 (obviously)
XeSS with ouput scaling from optiscaler actually looks very simliar to FSR 4, though its still worse
without OS its more noticeable too (im talking 2077 here)

[tropic bobcat]

So I went and borrowed SteelSeries Engine from SteelSeries website.

https://i.imgur.com/mAXemJc.png

This is SO good compared to Steelseries GG slop.

[tawny thicket]

VS 3.1 and 2.2 and even 2.1 the difference is insane

[tropic bobcat]

2077 has bad issues with shimmering.

it also has bad issues with pop in but you cant fix that, even with mods...

[plucky quail]

It has already bad TAA like really bad TAA

[tropic bobcat]

yep, sure does.

[tawny thicket]

also RT reflection quality is pretty poor if you dont use RR

[plucky quail]

its such a Dlss game its incredible

[tropic bobcat]

advertisement*

[late ferry]

aquaticle000 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tawny thicket]

though id say it runs pretty well overall

[tropic bobcat]

ok wolf, you got me.

[tawny thicket]

watcha say mhm ?

[tropic bobcat]

f-bomb lmao

[tawny thicket]

HOW DARE YOU ??

[tropic bobcat]

yeah i said screw cdpr bc i have mods.

[tawny thicket]

fair

[hollow kettle]

I ended up running max everything Extreme preset with fsr 4 balanced at 1440p im getting avg 76 fps

Really performance isnt that terrible idk why ppl are leaving bad reviews

[ionic remnant]

whats ur gpu

[night quiver]

hey, ik yall get this question a lot, but im very new to stalker games in general, i wanted to ask can my pc run stalker 2: r5 2600, rx 6600, 16gb ddr4 2400hz

[tropic bobcat]

1080p60fps should be doable for sure.

[hollow kettle]

9070

[tawny thicket]

The 6600 could be fine, but the 2600 is not fine, you'd barely get 30fps in settlements

[ionic remnant]

Stalker on OLED must look insane

[coarse linden]

You join game discord to ask that?

[rustic swallow]

It’s called stalkerrrr duhhhh

[coarse linden]

Old joke

[rustic swallow]

🦧

[pure bough]

Hello fellow Stalkers, anyone can help me understand why all my tree never render at 30m+ ? and the game look very blurry at distance ? Playing borderless, with DLSS DLAA and sharpness 20%, i try to play with all the graphics setting nothing change ... maybe my 16Go of RAM are not enought ? (playing on AMD ryzen 5 5600 and Nvidia 3060 RTX)

[flat brook]

It does

(When it’s not night time)

[ocean yew]

If you mean that the trees don’t fully render and are weird 2d sort of things, that’s just how the game is. The graphics outside suck.

I’ve only ever played at the 2nd highest settings *

[pure bough]

Yhea not only 2D sometimes they just look like weird line and they fade into the sky... I got like 10 percent of the model of tree

[ocean yew]

yeah thats what its like for everyone

[worn jay]

lmaoooooooooo

[tropic bobcat]

OK.

I'm just not even gonna give that a proper response.

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/aiAj4dNO4ddF

https://prnt.sc/G8QKwsOZ_I7a

big difference here

[tawny thicket]

hunt showdown is so broken on RDNA 4 WTH

[tropic bobcat]

rip hunt showdown

[worn jay]

https://x.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1949097259460645278

👀 Mainboard Retail Sales Week 30 '25 (mf)

again more AM4 systems built than all Intel combined.

ℹ️ Units
AMD: 1255 units sold, 87.76%, ASP: 170
Intel: 175, 12.24%, ASP: 149

ℹ️ By socket
[AM5] => 965
[AM4] => 290
[1700] => 120
[1851] => 55

[hollow kettle]

Idk why everyone hates on Intel like they really got the better prices now. It is not like they make bad cpu

[tawny thicket]

maybe the fact that their CPU's were (and maybe still are) failing en masse' has something to do with that

[hollow kettle]

Ppl stuck in the past that hasn't been a problem for awhile now

As long as you keep bios up to date that is

[tawny thicket]

isnt a problem anymore because intel says it isnt, or is it actually not a problem anymore ?

[hollow kettle]

Idk i haven't heard of any more issue since the bios microcode fix

[worn jay]

its more of a platform issue

intel can sometimes have great great deals but they dry up quickly
and honestly people overspend on CPU so hard anyways

1440p CPU doesnt matter at all if its high settings

[hollow kettle]

My cpu gets wrecked even at 1440p

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/h7q5XO_njWJu

12600k/7600 honestly keep them for 6 years and still be fine

[tawny thicket]

with a 60 class ? sure
a 5090 ? not so much

[hollow kettle]

Yeah i have 13600k not going to upgrade for long time probably

[worn jay]

yea a lot of people pair 9800x3d with lower tier gpus , its only worth it if u have a 5090 tbh

[tawny thicket]

i'd say 5070 TI and up
mabye thats just me though

[worn jay]

@tawny thicket check this out, 9070 xt test which is a 5070 ti

9800x3d is only 9% faster in averages against 12600k

[tawny thicket]

not quite..
but i get your point

is it just me or is this imgsli just broken ? https://imgsli.com/NDAxNjMx/1/0

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/oX2aaXRZn5GT
HUB did a recent testing
9800x3d barely faster than 7600x with an 5080 cus of gpu bottleneck

[worn jay]

looks the same

[tawny thicket]

in a RT doesnt look bettter than raster way or that they are all the exact same picture ?

[worn jay]

~~RT just as$ 😏 ~~

[tawny thicket]

||not helping||

[hollow kettle]

Yeah i dont think it worked right

Or PT is just broken on radeon now. Idk 2.3 really messed the game up on my system too. Instant crash if I even turn on PT photo mode. Zero issue before 2.3

[worn jay]

cdpr try to update game normaly challenge impossible

[tawny thicket]

should be working now https://imgsli.com/NDAxNjM3

[tawny thicket]

the PT crash is a driver issue

i kind of like havent updated from 2.21 and i still crash if i use PT for too long

[hollow kettle]

What fps do you get with RT psycho

[tawny thicket]

55 to 70 with FSR Q and OS

[hollow kettle]

At native 1440p I get 40 or so fps with completely max psycho RT. Fsr4 quality i get about 70

[wary totem]

RT is bottlenecked for me

This discussion is hard to watch for me

[plucky quail]

You cant upgrade to a better CPU

and well your PC is crashing i already had 2 intel CPUs

[tawny thicket]

do you think i should try Ultra plus RT ? @hollow kettle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtKkoKAgMjg&list=WL&index=3

[plucky quail]

Its hard for us too cuz we want more FPS for less price for almost a Decade

[tawny thicket]

RDNA 3 cope, i sense /s

[hollow kettle]

Yeah try it and if it works I will also 😁 every time I try to mod any game I mess it up and it crash 😂

[plucky quail]

Cope?

[tawny thicket]

yes. /s

[plucky quail]

What cope

[tawny thicket]

cope about RT ? /s

[wary totem]

don't want to lose a kidney for more fps tbh lmao

[plucky quail]

Calm down only cuz you got now a GPU that can do bit RT you aint better than anyone else

[hollow kettle]

I got lucky only had to give up half a kidney for 60 fps RT

[plucky quail]

Real

[tawny thicket]

(/s = sarcasm)

[plucky quail]

ah

[hollow kettle]

I think he was just joking

[plucky quail]

Never heard /s means sarcasm. I am also german i dont understand jokes

[wary totem]

Handshake everyone

[wary totem]

This must be a sarcastic response

Right?

Right

[plucky quail]

Like i said i dont understand jokes as a german

[tawny thicket]

was that sacrasm ?

[plucky quail]

[tawny thicket]

[wary totem]

my German friends are all sarcasm even when serious lmao. Are you sure about what you said 🤔

[tawny thicket]

i would never say shit like that while being serious about it : D #pc-specs message

[plucky quail]

Yes since when are german sarcastic?

[wary totem]

[tawny thicket]

im enjoying this far too much

[plucky quail]

https://imgur.com/F1I1RjU

[wary totem]

https://imgur.com/F1I1RjU

[plucky quail]

Tech yes city (9070xt user) had a podcast with frame chasers and after frame has a rant about the 9070xt bad 1% lows his youtube stream just crashes from nv dll error

Well well well

[tawny thicket]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[plucky quail]

Another PC Benchmark viewer got trolled by Nvidia

[tawny thicket]

i have got to see this

[wary totem]

Nvidia went downhill after 5000s scam

[tawny thicket]

link it, link it pleeaaaasssseeeeeee !!!!

[wary totem]

Doubt it would find its way to the top again anytime soon

[plucky quail]

Hard to find

I dont watch him. I did watch 2 years ago 1 video from him and instantly knew that he is a shittalker. I think he also defended Intel 14900K and pretty much a Nvidia fan like. Always riding on the same stuff like AMD Driver are bad and software bad and you get a useless Sand...

[tawny thicket]

all i know him for is hating on MLID

(the guy behind the recent UDNA/RDNA 5 leak)

[plucky quail]

i know watch him every time he got someone on

or something to leak

[hollow kettle]

Do you guys think majority of gamers actually do not care about RT at all

[tawny thicket]

I don't think they even know what it is

[worn jay]

jensen successfully baited ppl thinking that RT looks good 😭

[hollow kettle]

URX 10000 32gb

[real kraken]

From 700 fps from OG Stalker to 70 to "enhanced" wtf happened?

[ionic remnant]

I checked if ther are mods that improve textures in the game or any sort of graphics mod and remembered no one can run the game as is easily

[hollow kettle]

Yeah on epic preset at native 1440p I get like 64 avg fps. Used to drop into 50s and even 30s in places like slag heap and rostok. But now it never does. I havent seen anything less than 60 fps since patch 1.3 or 1.4 I think. So yeah it is demanding but at least they are working on optimization side of things a bit

[ionic remnant]

Think devs and ue5 need to both work on optimization

Its insane we gotta depend on upscaling and frame gen to run games on 1440p

[real kraken]

S2 is in the same version so UE5 will not change, they are in 5.1 from 2022 so yeah it's not the best version

And they d'ont upgrade UE version (that's very sad because UE5 has significantly improved in term of performance especially since 5.5 and 5.6

[ionic remnant]

Yea

I saw that, but i still think its not enough sadly.. but yes a huge step forward from 5.1 to 5.6

Also the cpu usage on singleplayer ue5 games is so strange

[real kraken]

I got a huge bottleneck yeah lol, my GPU is NEVER more than 80% lol

my cpu is hot

[ionic remnant]

You must have an X3D cpu at this point

[real kraken]

nah, R7 5800x

[ionic remnant]

I grabbed a 5700X3D for a budget pc for my gf at 150 eur on aliexpress before they went out of stock
Was a really good decision

And a 3060Ti for 180 eur
(Used)

Motherboard refurbished at 80 eur S tier am4 mobo

It can run a lot of things at 1080p dlss quality

I know i know 1080p is rough but she doesnt care

[real kraken]

yeah, me I got at pccomponentes the 5800x for 160euro like 4month ago (I choose 5800x because got better performance for building and compiling project)

[ionic remnant]

Ah yes true

[real kraken]

even if the 5700x3d was 200e

[ionic remnant]

Am4 is a good platform i swear

[real kraken]

yeah

[ionic remnant]

Cheap ram, cheap mobos

Sad now you cant find 5800X3D and 5700X3D at decent prices since they stopped producing them

[real kraken]

real...the X3D is like + 200euro

[ionic remnant]

I guess the upcoming Ryzen 9700F at 250 eur will be interesting

[real kraken]

but AM5 man..

[ionic remnant]

Yee :/

[real kraken]

I choose the 5800x for my upgr so I can put more on the GPU

[ionic remnant]

Yea for sure

[real kraken]

especially when majority of games is GPU task

[ionic remnant]

Whats ur gpu

[real kraken]

7800XT

[ionic remnant]

Pretty good honestly

[real kraken]

yey

[plucky quail]

Wuchang Fallen Feathers is also 5.1 version and runs shit

[ionic remnant]

Yea and i swear it looks very meh for the perf it needs

Stalker at least in some lighting and scenes looks insane like a tech demo

[real kraken]

fr

[spare coral]

Wuchang looks too pixelated

[real kraken]

What is that?

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12VKYnvrsQU

Holy he is on 6.3Ghz and 5Ghz on the e cores and Cache on 5.3Ghz and a insane 8800MT. THe usal Chinese Gaming PC

[sand lynx]

Hi, i'm returning to stalker after 2 months or so.
And updating it on gog instantly uses 240 gbs of space.

How big is the Game nowadays?
In your pcs, how much space does it take?

It may be because it is making all the updates at once. But damn. It scares me seeing it use all of my space.

[plucky quail]

should be 150 not 240

[sand lynx]

The download of all the updates is 124 gb.
Plus the already installed Game of 130.
It takes 240 gb.
Maybe those gb aren't being used but are saved until the Game finishes updating?

[plucky quail]

no its Either replacing things or checking them

[sand lynx]

So, it should return to normal after the updates?

[plucky quail]

yesä

[lofty sentinel]

bruh.

[coarse linden]

Welcome to unreal engine patching. Basically it copies the files being patched thus to patch the game you need more or less double the game size

[sand lynx]

Bruh.

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVqN9CTw_D4

Going to buy a 9070XT for that

or 5080 Depending

[tawny thicket]

Especially with DLSS 4

[ionic remnant]

bro how can we in 2025 have a pixelated game

[spare coral]

ended up getting a 12600k +32gb ram and a new motherboard and it was still 300 bucks cheaper than getting a ryzen 7600 +mother and ram in my country

[worn jay]

based 12600k user

[hollow kettle]

Wuchang looks pixilated bc they force the resolution slider below 100% based on your gpu or something. Idk Daniel Owen did a video on it

On launch version with a 3060 at 1440p he set slider 100% (DLAA) got 29 fps. 67% (quality) he got 45 fps i think

Latest patch same test he got 45 fps at 100% DLAA and same 45 fps at 67% quality lol

I will say the game looks pretty good if you have a decent enough pc to crank settings up. And I injected fsr 4 with OptiScaler so that looks MUCH better

[hollow kettle]

Wonder if it will run on my 9070. Republic Commando was one of my favorite games as a kid. I want to try that

[coarse linden]

Why on earth would they force resolution scale under 100%

Basically scummy developer at that point

[hollow kettle]

They didnt tell anyone and said they did performance patch. I am guessing

[coarse linden]

That is disgusting behavior from developer

Instead of doing proper work taking such bs shortcut

[tawny thicket]

daniel owen is kind of a fool.
he wouldnt have had to test it at all if hed just known how to use console commands...

[tawny thicket]

ARK did/does that too
before 5.5 the res scale straight up didnt work, and was always locked to 72%

bow with their 5.5 update they removed the res scale for TSR, and they now have it locked to 65% lol

[hollow kettle]

Lisuan G100 12gb Chinese consumer gpu outperforms 4060 https://wccftech.com/china-first-high-end-gaming-gpu-lisuan-g100-outperforms-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060/amp/

[plucky quail]

Yea mine to. I would like a remastered of that. but Remix is fine if i can play the game with deep shadows. It would be even more Scary on the ship mission

[hollow kettle]

Is it just a mod anyone can use or does it require RTX gpu

[plucky quail]

anyone can use it

tho on the 4070S i had no bugs

[lament burrow]

is 3080 10gb good for stalker 2?

[past escarp]

Nuh uh, you need at least rtx 6000

[tawny thicket]

depends on your definition of "good"

[lament burrow]

good meaning a minimum of 15 fps

im cranking this shit to 8k

[tawny thicket]

yeah, itll be better than good, it will be great

[tawny thicket]

unless you do 8K
then it will be sh"t

[lament burrow]

damn

ill try it anyway bc curious

[ionic remnant]

Amd preparing a 10900XT at 3nm 32gb vram

Oh shit if they make a a 7900XTX that skipped a generation from 5nm to 3nm

We might get 4090 perf at 999usd
I believe it

I'd say 4090 actually not 5090

[plucky quail]

I bet they could beat a 5080 with at 9080XT at 1k with no problem

[tawny thicket]

only 4090 perf on an RDNA 5 card with 154CU's ?

[ionic remnant]

So imagine a 10090XT at 3nm

Yea between 5090 and 4090

[plucky quail]

And maybe 4090 too so a 10900XT would have no problem reaching 5090. ofc the wattage gonnabe high but they can do it

[ionic remnant]

Idk 5090 is such an insanely high peak

Nvidia still at 5nm and more efficient

[plucky quail]

Its still on 4nm and 600W power usage.

[ionic remnant]

Its 5nm btw

[plucky quail]

40 and 50 is on 4nm

[ionic remnant]

Its named in a confusing way if i am not mistaken

[plucky quail]

No both are 4nm, XTX was on 5 and 6 nm

[ionic remnant]

Process Type
4N FinFET
Process Size
5 nm

From techpowerup https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5090.c4216

Its a 5nm++ so they call it 4N FinTET

Imagine all they could do with 3nm

But they are greedy af
Even now the real tdp of the cards is that of the upcoming super series

They nerfed their power on purpose

[plucky quail]

Oh mixed up. Thought they are on 4nm cuz someone said that AMD XTX was on a bigger nm

[ionic remnant]

No worries its confusing anw

How much resale value do cpus have compared to gpus

If lets say hypothetically i wanna sell my 7800X3D before the 10800X3D

Cz i'd personally would buy a used gpu no problem but a cpu i wouldnt be so interested

[plucky quail]

Sell before the release of the next gen CPUs are. Mostly there is the best time to sell. But the value depends heavly on the currend marked. Like late 2024 the GPU value was insane high vs what you got on release of the GPU.

[ionic remnant]

Also i have thermalright peerless assassin rn its insanely good for the price
But would also love to upgrade to a Arctic Freezer 3 pro 360

[plucky quail]

Best cooler to have.

[ionic remnant]

Wonder if the 420 is even better haha

[plucky quail]

I think there was a test and apparently from 120 to 240 you gain really good cooling and from 240 to 360 its just low amount so 420 i guess is just almost nothing.

[ionic remnant]

Guess just less noise

[summer shell]

AMD RYZEN 5 5500
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3050
16 gb ram
thoughts

[past escarp]

not good enough for s2

[spare coral]

Not good enough for uma musume pretty derby

[coarse linden]

Eh it did run game decent enough

[ionic remnant]

1440p or 4k oled

I feel i need dlss to get a good update to make ultra performance look good on 4k

If i get a 4k monitor
But i dont wanna get 1440p and in couple years when i get a new gpu i start regretting it

[flat brook]

I’m on a 1440p ultrawide with a 5080, previously a 4070Ti-S, not once did I feel the the need/want to go up to 4k

You’ll get more enjoyment out of a 1440p IPS/OLED panel than a 4K VA panel for example, resolution isn’t everything

[coarse linden]

1440p is good spot honestly

[ionic remnant]

Both oled i mean

[coarse linden]

HDR + Patch Tracing makes nice picture. 1440p you even get decent enough fps to play it

[late ferry]

devox has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ionic remnant]

:|

[coarse linden]

rip

[ionic remnant]

Just saying 4k oled hdr looks amazing, edges are so sharp

But yea you need the fps

[coarse linden]

pros and cons

GPUs not really there yet for average pleb to have 4k PT without gimmicks

[tawny thicket]

Barely enough

[ionic remnant]

Probably will need 5090 perf

5090 perf at actually no memes 6070 level

[tawny thicket]

How many games have PT anyway ? 3?

[coarse linden]

Cyperpunk, black myth, indiana, alan wake, doom, FBC, Half life 2 rtx, F1 25, quake rtx, portal rtx, Remix modded games

Probably missed some on top of my head

[tawny thicket]

I dont count remix games.

[coarse linden]

Eh still runs path tracing

[tawny thicket]

so 7

[coarse linden]

More in future

As long as they dont run UE5

[tawny thicket]

the first PT game was in like 2021 right ?
4 years passed and we only have 7
the future of PT doesnt look so bright to me.

[coarse linden]

Looks lot brighter now that lower end GPUs can run it

Not being 4090 exclusive toy

[tawny thicket]

Kind of run it

[coarse linden]

As GPU's improve so does adaptation of PT

[tawny thicket]

so it was 2022 november 8th i guess

[coarse linden]

Because industry wants to get rid off baking lights so RT is future

Because it saves them money and worktime

And since you are using RT there is no point not to add PT as ultra option

[tawny thicket]

theres other GI methods though...

[coarse linden]

RT is basically a toggle

[worn jay]

r7 and i7 have good resell value

for some reason they retain a lot of resell value even years later

[plucky quail]

F1 has PT now too

[pure ibex]

Should have stocked up on ddr4

It’s worth more than ddr5 now

[tropic bobcat]

While this is subjective, I agree.

[tropic bobcat]

me with my stockpile of oldstock ddr4

[pure ibex]

Samsung ceased production of ddr4

[tropic bobcat]

i know

[pure ibex]

So now Samsung ddr4 aka the good ddr4

Is now worth a lot

[tropic bobcat]

Yep.

B > E > AFR > D > MFR > S

[ionic remnant]

Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 Go (2 x 16 Go) DDR4 3600 (PC4-28800) AMD C18 1,35 V - Noir

is this good, now it's worth 100eur bought it for 53 eur for the budget pc i was building a few months ago

[coarse linden]

Pretty much everyone have ceased production

[pure ibex]

Well ik but Samsung made the good ddr4

[coarse linden]

Overrated imo

To a point that folk would gladly pay 100 bucks more for it

[flat brook]

Pretty much everything is subjective, it’s more a common consensus if anything

[worn jay]

they did have the best DDR4 (b-die) kits which are most overclockable/tuned

ddr5 memory chips from worst to best:
3.micron
2.samsung
1.sk hynix
(sk hynix a-die #1 best )
(sk hynix m-die #2)

[pure ibex]

Truth

[worn jay]

The Ram Noosphere

[ionic remnant]

News that Super are scheduled for the holidays

Do i send my 5070Ti back and wait, the wait is 5 months till december though

I wanna play games during that time

Sadge

[tawny thicket]

https://www.techpowerup.com/339314/amd-radeon-rx-9060-xt-leads-techpowerup-frontpage-poll-for-its-price-performance

[pastel summit]

What do you do with your monitor? If you watch 4K videos or pixel-peep at images like I do, then 4K is a no brainer

but for purely gaming, 1440p is mostly just as good for 95% of cases

[ionic remnant]

I just play games but lately been playing more single player high fidelity games

[pastel summit]

ah, well if that's the case then 4K maybe can work. though you most likely will need DLSS since native 4K is crazy hard to run without a 90-class

it's kinda worth it for STALKER 2 though if you can. pretty eye candy

tho I only play S2 on a professional grade 4K IPS (yes 60 hz) so yeah, no experience with an actual gaming monitor.

[ionic remnant]

Need dlss to give us 4.5

Where it improves performance and fidelity
So we can run ultra performance on 4k and it will look good

[pastel summit]

wouldn't it be doable to just swap in the dll? I used to do that back when STALKER 2 was still on 3.9 by default

[ionic remnant]

Yea it works

[pastel summit]

and yeah there's also DLSS override in the Nvidia app too, supports S2

[ionic remnant]

I just am asking for even more haha
Sadly i bought a 50 series gpu and i dont think the 50 series is 4k ready

Maybe next gen

I have the option to send back my gpu and wait for 50 super in 4-5 months but idk not having a pc for 5 months is rough

So probably will just stay with my 5070Ti

If it was 4-5 months till 60 series i'd have waited

But not for just a super series

[plucky quail]

Damn#

[plucky quail]

Tho you will most likely not see good performance gain. Prob like the 4080. Type but with more Vram.

[ionic remnant]

Yea but 350W
50W more
And if i get a card with 10% more
Thats 35W

So 385 W

I can cook and squeeze so much perf out of it no ?

[plucky quail]

Yea thats true. Tho how many Connections do you have 2 or 3 for power?

[ionic remnant]

3 rn with 1 daisy chained

But my current PNY 5070Ti with overclock undervolt i havent seen it over 280W

While the limit is 330W

[plucky quail]

hard to tell

[tawny thicket]

Probably cuz you aren't using the RT/tensor cores to the fullest ?

[ionic remnant]

Yea probably

Just playing normal games nothing crazy

[plucky quail]

Always use RT and AI to the max to see how much its using with your OC and Uv. Polly Cyberpunk is the best to see it in with all the AI stuff and PT in that game

[ionic remnant]

Yea will probably check but rn the undervolt and oc is doing good

[plucky quail]

Ah and dont forget the new Nvidias AFMF that they added

[ionic remnant]

Heard its worse than afmf 2.1

Thats sad, nvidia losing their way, barely updating dlss as well

[plucky quail]

Ye tho for testing it woulnt hurt.

Man i want to see a 10900XTX with a Chiplet design. 3 and 4nm Build of that would be insane

[hollow kettle]

9070 XTX would be sick

[plucky quail]

IDK what they gonna get of a note but hoping that they get 3X or P or E

[plucky quail]

Yea If nvidia is doing Super series they should answer that

[tropic bobcat]

I doubt it’ll be much faster in rasterization to be fair, see 4080 Super.

[coarse linden]

Super this time around is pretty much just vram upgrade. 80 and 70 ti dont get more cores and normal 70 just gets like 4% more cores if that

[coarse linden]

Piss off scammer

@pure ibex we got a spammer ^

[compact yacht]

I got it.

[coarse linden]

Thank you

[tawny thicket]

im soo waiting for the 4070 Super duper extreme

(duper = 5070, extreme = 5070 super)

[coarse linden]

I almost hope 5070 Ti Super is just vram upgrade

Because if that is the case it should be trivial matter to just flash that bios onto Ti after swapping chips to 3GB

[late ferry]

devox has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[ionic remnant]

Bro who made this bot, we cant say anything

[ionic remnant]

the extreme version of the 4070 is going to be insane

[plucky quail]

No but that would make up for Nvidias Vram Problem. AMD needs something if they want the 70XT to survive.

[plucky quail]

You forgot the 4070TI Super duper hyper extreme

[tawny thicket]

RDNA 4.5 😎

with GDDR7

[plucky quail]

3GB modules

[coarse linden]

Wont happen

Simply because it would require redesign and thats not worth the effort when they already work on the next design

[tawny thicket]

AMD also doesnt do desktop GPU refreshes
but man can dream

i think they will just drop the prices and move on

[plucky quail]

Sometimes they do with the XX50 variants

[coarse linden]

Pretty sure those usually are because of yields

"happen to get this kind chip so might as well sell it"

[plucky quail]

And more power and higher clocks. Tho they did real TI kinda GPUs back in the Glory days

https://imgur.com/a/ziAcXxp
AMD wants to do a 5090 to 5080 kinda gap with RDNA5

[past escarp]

like they`re gonna make a huge difference in performance between tiop-tier model and model before that?

daym now im diarrhea-man

[coarse linden]

What Nvidia does first, AMD follows one could say

[plucky quail]

I am today year old that i noticed that Nvidia APP is worse than the AMD by 10X

How can i check if DLSS4 is on?

Also what is the best preset?

[plucky quail]

@coarse linden Am i stupid or why does DLSS4 doesnt work. Maybe it does? But it looks really bad

[candid hamlet]

Isn't it just depending on supported titles?

[plucky quail]

Its on stalker

[candid hamlet]

Does stalker have dlss4? U can't use mfg so I don't think so?

[plucky quail]

FG is called sometimes called DLSS4 but DLSS means something diff to FG

[candid hamlet]

Ik but I'm p sure dlss 4 is the only one that supports mfg

[plucky quail]

Yes but i am not talking about FG

[candid hamlet]

Ik but I'm saying since stalker 2 doesn't have mfg it prob doesn't have dlss 4

[plucky quail]

It does tho i cant use it since i have a 4070Super

[candid hamlet]

No clue then I have a 50 series and I only see dlss frame gen not mfg some ppl on steam were saying it's kinda broken or smt tho so idk

[plucky quail]

You need to use the Nvidia app for it

Last guy here tested MFG and had no issues

[candid hamlet]

I might give it a try if that's the case 🤔 tho I alr get 140fps ish w 2x frame gen

[plucky quail]

For me its looking bad even with 2X i was in a apartment and looked at a wall and idk if its the light of the game but it had artefacts on it. I also have 140 fps

[candid hamlet]

💀 oof I'm still in lesser zone since my save got botched but so far game looks fine

[plucky quail]

I am at prypiat

[candid hamlet]

Tbf pripyat prob has more issues since u can kinda see the further u get into the game the amount of content goes down quite a bit

[tawny thicket]

"really bad" how ?

[plucky quail]

Grass shimmer and ghosting on trees when moving side to side

[tawny thicket]

OOFFF, whats it Like compared to FSR 3.1 ?
And What about CNN ?

[plucky quail]

To AA? Really bad. CNN looked better but more blurry to T version

[tawny thicket]

Meant like FSR 3.1 AA VS DLAA TRN
Maybe i should try FSR 4, though i have no intention of spending hours to get to a good spot to test

[plucky quail]

Doesnt need to be good testing just if its working or not.

T looks really bad on Q and ok ish on AA cuz the grass shimmers not in your face

[plucky quail]

Yea AA FSR vs DLSS T, fsr wins

[tawny thicket]

Lol

[plucky quail]

there is no opinion.

Must be some bug or something

[tawny thicket]

DLSS transformer model loosing to good old FSR 3.1

[tawny thicket]

Yeah, probably, FSR 4 is also buggy in stalker I've heard

[tawny thicket]

It seems like it uses the AA model for every preset/mode

[plucky quail]

Least CNN doesnt shimmer only has Ghosting that i could see so FSR AA and DLSS CNN looks good depending if you want more detail or less ghosting

[tawny thicket]

And the AA model sucks like crazy if you dare drop below 100% res

[plucky quail]

Also got the newest CNN and FSR installed with DLSS swapper

[plucky quail]

Tho the Q mode holds much better on the DLSS ones

Except DLSS T

[tawny thicket]

(FSR 4 has 6 models, 4 for the 4 presets you can use, and another 2 for ultra performance i think)

[plucky quail]

I need to say DLAAT looks soo good close up. Like nettle upclose looked soo good and clean vs all the other AA

[tawny thicket]

Model 0 = AA
Model 1 = Q
Model 2 = B
Model 3 = P
Model 4 = UP ?
Model 5 = UP ?

[plucky quail]

another UP with the UP?

[tawny thicket]

IDK, theres 6 models and the last two are weird to me
As either of them could be for UP

That's why i added the " ? "

[tawny thicket]

Maybe id find out if i just used UP but IDK

[hollow kettle]

130 fps at 1440p supreme preset (normal RT)
11 fps at 1440p supreme + path tracing... lol

I think i ran out of vram honestly

[hollow kettle]

100% cpu utilization
99% gpu utilization
The entire time I play its like this lol insane. First game ever to do this to my pc

[coarse linden]

Hmmh?

Are talking about Transformer or the multiframe?

When you select DLSS Override model preset to latest it will override and use transformer regardless what DLSS version is in the game file

Same with framegen as long as game does have framegen you can use to app to override it to x3 or x4 mode

If you want to be really sure there is that regedit view to get DLSS show its info and what its doing

[ionic remnant]

what's your gpu if i may ask

[spare coral]

750ti

[ionic remnant]

Guys

I am sending back my 5070 Ti after using it for like 23 days
Hope amazon fully refunds me

Gonna get another one that is cheaper and better

[plucky quail]

I have the latest still looks horrendous

[coarse linden]

Looks fine to me

[plucky quail]

Don’t you have Gras shimmer

[coarse linden]

No

[plucky quail]

On quality?

Using 1440p

[coarse linden]

Quality or balanced dont recall which and on 1440p

[ionic remnant]

someone is familiar with amazon return policy, returning my card after like 23 days of usage (still inside the 30 day return window) will they cause me problems ?

[plucky quail]

I don’t get it the quality setting is so bad.
Going to try cp77

Maybe that’s going to work

[tropic bobcat]

I don’t see why they would?

Generally, legally they can’t anyway, you are still within the return window.

[tropic bobcat]

What’s wrong with the one you have now…?

[tropic bobcat]

Sounds more like a CPU bottleneck to me.

[plucky quail]

30 days? damn we only get 14 days

[plucky quail]

he wants the 4070ti super duper extreme

[hollow kettle]

9070

[sonic apex]

DId anyone have problem with stuttering and shader loading time 15 min

[hollow kettle]

Long shader load time first time after patches but no stutters anymore for me personally

[plucky quail]

GPU?

[sonic apex]

rtx 4060

[plucky quail]

and what CPU? The shader needs longer if you use a slower CPU

[sonic apex]

cpu ryzen 5 7500F

[plucky quail]

Might be cuz you have too high texture settings

[hollow kettle]

14600kf for $197 or 9600x for $199...which would you guys pick for new "budget" gaming build ?

[sonic apex]

I played almost 80 hours without stuttering and with fast shader loading time max 5 min, and i got to some main mission where my game crashed 2 times in row, after that i got 15 min shader loading time and stuttering in game, but i just finished main story so its fine, but its weird

[plucky quail]

Do you play on all low?

[tropic bobcat]

"We"? Standard is 30 days.

[plucky quail]

Maybe they updated and now its using more Vram. And did you verify the game?

[tropic bobcat]

SIRCAA?

[plucky quail]

Thats Germany

[sonic apex]

no on high with dlaa

[plucky quail]

Thats prob you problem

You are hitting the Vram limit of the 8GB card

[tropic bobcat]

Either one, 9600x technically beats the 14600k in gaming, but its all marginal stuff.

[hollow kettle]

What about 7600x for $179

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/3S7JSDB.png

[plucky quail]

No the 14600K beats it

[hollow kettle]

Only $20 more for newer gen cant see reason to not spend the $20

[tropic bobcat]

Incorrect.

[plucky quail]

Its even faster than the 9700X

[tropic bobcat]

Its all marginal as I said.

https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBruhhigPI&t=531s

[tropic bobcat]

pretty sure watts is not fps

[plucky quail]

No thats FPS

[tropic bobcat]

then why does it say watts on it?

[plucky quail]

https://imgur.com/a/VMYf2Lq

[tropic bobcat]

thats not where you linked lol

https://i.imgur.com/BTt92wr.png

thats what you linked to.

[plucky quail]

Its the video that i linked

You can link time? LOL

[tropic bobcat]

Sure can.

Still seems marginal to me.

[plucky quail]

But i would still buy a 9600X cuz you can upgrade later

[tropic bobcat]

That's also a smaller pool.

13 game average vs what I believe is 32 from TPU.

[plucky quail]

As a budget guy you should always get the one with longer support

[tropic bobcat]

TPU used to do 28, I believe its 32 now.

[plucky quail]

Well they somehow have the 7900XTX lower than the 4080 non super

[tropic bobcat]

Uhhh?

https://i.imgur.com/ebfAc5F.png

Where?

[plucky quail]

There

[tropic bobcat]

Because they match in raster, yes? They just picked a spot.

[plucky quail]

?

[tropic bobcat]

Must have missed where both say "100%"

that means they are equal.

[plucky quail]

I never seen a new benchmark where the XTX is lower then even the Super one. So idk why they get = out. Lowest was 1% diff.

[tropic bobcat]

1% = 0%

[plucky quail]

yea to the Super not even the normal one.

[tropic bobcat]

TPU reports that a 4080 Super is 1% faster then a 4080, if they did that exact same test again it may find that the 4080 is 1% faster then a 4080 Super, these figures are not absolute.

You are taking these values at absolute face value. You cannot do that. There is margin of error.

That’s why HUB and TPU will often report different figures. They use different methodologies. It doesn’t mean one or the other is incorrect.

[plucky quail]

Hub and TPU are more similar vs other Benchmarks like GN. HuB is one of the lowest that you can find. For the testing i always see is TPU one of the outlier tho its deff better than User benchmark by far.

[coarse linden]

Still people even entertain userbenchmark?

[tropic bobcat]

unrtunaly.

well, that was a typo. yikes.

[coarse linden]

Should not be even mentioned

[plucky quail]

I see still people going by User benchmark.

[tropic bobcat]

😭

[coarse linden]

And those people are idiots to believe anything that site says

[late ferry]

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

Whenever its going about CPUs or gpus people say " But user benchmark is saying that the cpu or gpu is bad"

[coarse linden]

It is game over for reviewer if you are found to be biased and there is no coming back from it

[ionic remnant]

this @tropic bobcat

[tropic bobcat]

[plucky quail]

I am asking me how old that guy is that he is not changing his Opinion for that long. He must be 90 or something that hates change. Also wondering what he used back then With all the Nvidia FX and Intel Pentium 2 era.

[ionic remnant]

but fr it's cz i bought mine for 900 eur (PNY xrpg oc plus) and this one is a Zotac AMP Extreme INFINITY which is a better card but for 800 eur

saving 100 euros mostly + as a bonus i get a better card with better cooling, vrms and higher power limit

but it's mostly saving 100 euros

[plucky quail]

Are you going to wait?

[ionic remnant]

i am just mad i could have saved 130 eur instead of 100 but honey overrided the cashback of the app

i am so deleting honey from everywhere

[ionic remnant]

wait for what ?
i will send the card on monday if the other card get's confirmed / sent

[past escarp]

isnt honey a scam?

[coarse linden]

It is and was exposed like 8 months ago?

[ionic remnant]

it is, it was a friend who bought the gpu for me and he had it

[past escarp]

so why do you have it?

[ionic remnant]

really sad, didnt think to tell him to remove it

made me lose 30 eur

[plucky quail]

I thought you want the 4070TI Super duper extreme not the 4070TI super duper.

[past escarp]

i guess its not so big of a deal for you

[ionic remnant]

ah no not gonna wait for the extreme, mb
5 months is a long wait

[coarse linden]

You know what i want? For some chinese to pocket 8 3GB GDDR7 chips and sell those to me for 2€ each

[past escarp]

seems reasonable

[coarse linden]

But then again im not willing to touch this card until warranty is over

[plucky quail]

thats a good option

From who is even the best GDDR6 Chip. Samsung micron or Hynix?

[past escarp]

just make them yourself bruh

[coarse linden]

That i dont know

[ionic remnant]

gunslinger makes the best apparently

[past escarp]

yeah

[coarse linden]

You should hydrate more. Your color seems unhealthy

[tropic bobcat]

Hynix is generally regarded as "better", but runs hotter.

[past escarp]

i am diarrhiea-man

[tropic bobcat]

my 7900xtx vram which is hynix at load is regularly 90c.

[plucky quail]

Wonder what modders buy for their GPUs to get the best OC. Cuz on Dram ddr5 is Hynix best and before samsung but never heard how far the GDDRs go.

[coarse linden]

Nasty

[past escarp]

idk why, but apparently i am. i am the best at making lots of poop, and vram chips

[tropic bobcat]

normal.

[coarse linden]

More or less but still nasty

[tropic bobcat]

im getting ready to repaste and pad it anyway.

[ionic remnant]

7900xtx is a rough diamond sadly

maybe the 10090XT will be it's complete version

[tropic bobcat]

what an awful name

[ionic remnant]

RX 10090XTX

[tropic bobcat]

amd please, dont do this

[ionic remnant]

you know there was a 7950XTX

[coarse linden]

I think it needs more X's

[plucky quail]

No more AI

i dont see it so i dont buy it

[plucky quail]

also/or a 7990XTX

[tropic bobcat]

Part of me is glad it doesn't exist.

The other part of me would of probably bought it, instead.

[plucky quail]

Why 156 CU would been cool just a horse to have to play with

[tropic bobcat]

Power consumption.

[plucky quail]

You already bought the XTX just 200W more is nothing

[ionic remnant]

just wait for the 3nm 7990XTX

[tropic bobcat]

to me, yeah, but the average consuumer? no.

I'm not the average consumer, anything but.

[coarse linden]

Eh folk cant laugh at the power consumption anymore after that 5090

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah they can, and they do.

[ionic remnant]

how is the 5090 fe this small yet uses 575W

[tropic bobcat]

5090 is also anything but average consumer.

[plucky quail]

We also got the real 600W Pro version

[coarse linden]

Yet somehow majority of folk who have issues with games happens to have one

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, its a crap card.

[plucky quail]

I hope the New interconect of 2NM going to give us less powerusage

[tropic bobcat]

the difference is nvidia can ge away with that, AMD can't.

hence why the 7990 XTX didn't come to fruitation.

[coarse linden]

Sure as shit will increase the price

[tropic bobcat]

mine alr uses 420w with a raised power limit.

[plucky quail]

I dont see how people are not going to buy that. They buy 4K 5090

[tropic bobcat]

thats not even the highest of the xtx's, either. nitro+ can use about 460w.

[coarse linden]

Miss the times when new node actually made stuff cheaper lol

[plucky quail]

And faster

[coarse linden]

Good times

[plucky quail]

Its now 8 Years

[coarse linden]

and TSMC just keeps upping the price

Because you know.. Its expensive to produce in the great murican circus

[plucky quail]

Man Samsung and Intel are so behind

samsung cant get The node shrink and Intel cant get customers. Hope that the 14A is good and gets some competition in. But its not looking good

[coarse linden]

Samsung should just make a deal with nvidia like they did with 30 series so we could get slightly cheaper cards

[plucky quail]

Its sounds like Samsung is not going to do much like texas instruments also jumped out cuz they coulnt get the node to shrink. I think best hope is Nvidia is changing to Intel. Cuz atleast Intel has a better node but no one wants it. Tho i cant blame them

[hollow kettle]

@tawny thicket how are you liking your 9060xt ?

[plucky quail]

do you like yours?

[hollow kettle]

I have 9070 but yeah I love it

[tawny thicket]

its gud

currently replaying fallen order

AFMF also works now that ive gotten rid of my IGP

[tawny thicket]

so can opti automatically load FSR 4 now

without me having to manually copy the DLL to the game folder

[tawny thicket]

RSR also probably works now

[hollow kettle]

All that was not working all bc of igpu ?

[tawny thicket]

AMD IGP + AMD dGPU + drivers for both = dGPU features dont work

[tawny thicket]

my favourite part is that lovely VRAM

[plucky quail]

I would like if you could run AFMF on the IGPU and use it that way or something

[tawny thicket]

if you look at LSFG that only really works on very high end IGP's

anyway, time to go play cyberpunk : D

[plucky quail]

Tho that is AI and not optimized

[tawny thicket]

AFMF also has some sort of ML in it AFAIK

[plucky quail]

People are confusing the ML in AMDs advertisement. Its coded/developed with AI, itself is not AI

[tawny thicket]

welp
be that as it may, i doubt LSFG is any different

[tawny thicket]

Also curious to see what FSR 4 looks like in survivor
I heard that game is insanely blurry with TAA/FSR 2/DLSS CNN

[plucky quail]

Still dont understand why you need to restart CP77 when you turn DLSS FG on

[thorny remnant]

They still do but less because they have run into a ton of problems

Node shrinks are "fake" only refering to how Close stuff is cramped closer together beginning in 2011

Memory being stuck (ram and cache)
And almost not gaining at all
Which hurts in particular cpus and gpus

[unborn mirage]

I'm not sure what's happening in my game but the textures are flickering. is something wrong with my gpu?

[tawny thicket]

same for FSR FG, its really freaking stupid

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgpdFF9ppis

[worn jay]

from the new update ive seen some ppl complaining purple textures

[tropic bobcat]

I got to repaste my GPu today, it did not go as planned, though it worked out in the end.

[plucky quail]

Broke the Pads?

Did you get good paste? Cuz the ones on the XTX is already good.

Next best i would do be liquid metal tho maybe with a Water block

[past escarp]

what do you mean?

[tawny thicket]

well
AFMF/RSR/Radeon app recording/AI shit/video upscale/FSR 4 driver toggle dont work with the AMD IGP + AMD dGPU + drivers combo

granted FSR 4 still works just that the driver toggle is dead if you have an AMD IGP

so you gotta use optiscaler and download the FSR 4 DLL which you then have to copy to the game folder

[past escarp]

nice

but anyway, im on rx 7000 so its not like i had fsr4 in the first place

[tawny thicket]

RIP
you know, you could still use it on linux with RDNA 3

[coarse linden]

Hoo 580 drivers finally released

Can play 32bit games again with DXVK

[past escarp]

i have ryzen 7 7700 so i dont think it would work

maybe later on i will upgrade to something like 9070xt, but it requires time

also there is not much sense to upgrade from 7800xt to 9070xt

[tawny thicket]

45%+ is pretty big no ?

[tawny thicket]

CPU doesn't matter to FSR4 on linux

[coarse linden]

Technically it does since you are still running the game on lower resolution

[past escarp]

i need to work 2 months without any expences to be able to buy it

[tawny thicket]

And is that at all unique to FSR 4 on RDNA 3

[tawny thicket]

Fair enough

[coarse linden]

No but you said cpu doenst matter to FSR4

[past escarp]

also i have a car, but not drivers license so i need money for it

[tawny thicket]

Ugh

🤓

[plucky quail]

https://linux-gaming.kwindu.eu/index.php?title=Main_Page

Can we get NPU on CPUs to work with FSR4? THat would be Funny

[tropic bobcat]

Sure didn’t.

[tropic bobcat]

PTM7950 of course, which refuse to cooperate after I froze it.

[plucky quail]

You froze it?

[past escarp]

why not? now its a thermal ice-cream

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, for a few minutes. You have to.

[tropic bobcat]

I’d never use Liquid Metal, just use a kryosheet if you really want to.

[ionic remnant]

My bro nico

Will soon let you know how things go, i just hope i can get the full refund on my current card

The other card has delivery date set to undetermined

If i dont get the Zotac card
I might wait and get the 4070 extreme edition
4090 cheap edition

[plucky quail]

Nah never either its liquid or its not a Titbit

[plucky quail]

4090 cheap edition? do you mean the 4080 super duper?

[ionic remnant]

Yea but i think it might hit 4090 performance with that 415W tdp

But maybe 4080 super duper is more appropriate

Cz if i wait 5 months fk it i am rewarding myself

Although i hope i get the 4070 Super duper

I cant find info on the vrms on the 5070Ti Zotac Extreme infinity

Found some info on zotac extreme but i think the infinity is better

[plucky quail]

Ah so you want just the 4070 Super duper 12GB (also called the lil 4090) till you get the 4070 TIE super duper Extreme 24gb. But maybe you get a 4080 SUper duper 24GB and not the 4070TIE super duper Extreme 24GB that you can OC to a 4090 . If i understood it right

[ionic remnant]

Yea

[plucky quail]

I love that we can understand that

[hollow kettle]

What do you guys think the ultimate budget ballers price to performance cpu + gpu? Only new/current gen parts. I think maybe 9060xt 16gb + 9600x

[real kraken]

7600x is cheaper I think

[tropic bobcat]

yeah that is a solid combo, might be worthwhile to grab a 7600x instead depending on region pricing.

[real kraken]

[tropic bobcat]

great minds.

[worn jay]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-xess2-now-supported-by-amd-and-nvidia-gpus

[ionic remnant]

fuak i found an Inno3D 5080 940 eur but i already ordered my zotac amp extreme infinity 5070ti for 815 eur

[worn jay]

rip

still good gpu tho

[ionic remnant]

yea think so as well

it comes with dual bios

but i dont think i'd need to change it's bios since it already has a 345 W powerlimit (highest cards have 350W)

[worn jay]

if i would buy a gpu right now i would go 5070 ti minimum but rn they are overpriced in EU here

[ionic remnant]

where do you live friend

[worn jay]

serbia (stalker 2, 2)

[ionic remnant]

do you have a friend in germany

[late ferry]

devox has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[worn jay]

there is a service to buy gpus as a shipment , its like 50e per gpu i think

[ionic remnant]

if you do, the prices there are super good, that's how i am getting my gpu
i could have gotten mine for 785 eur if my friend didnt have honey installed which messed the cashback

[worn jay]

or MemoryC ships to serbia also with solid shipping but i never bought from them, i just heard solid reputation

[ionic remnant]

and there was 750 for the solid model, but i pref paying 35 eur more and get the amp extreme infinity

i think imma stick with 5070ti that way i can renew earlier

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/LAj3p3PrrTfs

[ionic remnant]

if that makes sense

[worn jay]

shipping 25 euro not to shabby, just need to know if its reliable to buy from them

[ionic remnant]

no idea

the price is ok, have seen better (same price but better brands)

the 25 eur is annoying

btw you gotta OC the 5070ti it has so much potential, you gain like 10% perf easily

[worn jay]

i think ill pass on this gen and get a 6070 ti next time around or 6070 if its 16GB

[ionic remnant]

if you can wait for 60 series, i think they are going to be 30% better than this gen across most gpus

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/4xK17CnBamoo

[ionic remnant]

insane price

[worn jay]

pretty good for todays market

[ionic remnant]

if you dont mind amd, 9070XT is better and can be found for 650 eur

[worn jay]

and also local country , so shipping is 5e max

[ionic remnant]

just i had a 7900xtx and i got tired with amd

shit would sometimes draw 450W on peaks

[worn jay]

yea RDNA3 is pretty bad drivers level and architectural failure

my friend replaced his sapphire model 3 times with the 7900 XT cus it had issues

[ionic remnant]

yea + i had bought powercolor hellhound, a very notorious model

was a coinflip
i just dont wanna deal with this shit

also not too long ago i found out that a very popular morrowind mod pack crashes on amd just cz

also pubg used to crash my pc on my 7900XTX, found on reddit it's a known issue shared by many, but no one fixes it

[worn jay]

no way i was talking about morrowind yesterday 🤣

Tamriel rebuilt

[ionic remnant]

bro morrowind with the total overhaul openMW modpack is insanely good and decent in modern standards

it encompasses like 500 mods

[worn jay]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/317508380686286849/1400586328890019950/image.png?ex=688dd5ea&is=688c846a&hm=b98f8455e7a74189dda789b3d6c7e766f7caa40fafb3adaf8c1a368a3b9ec5d1&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=410&height=431

the white is the new expansion for morrowind mod

[ionic remnant]

handpicked and already fully configured for you, you just gotta click slow download on nexus mods for like 300 times

[worn jay]

wabbajack?

[ionic remnant]

i think tamriel rebuilt is included in the total overhaul

[worn jay]

if its Morrowind OpenMW + tamriel rebuilt newest expansion i might just DL it

[ionic remnant]

something called MOMW ?

[worn jay]

is it over wabbajack or collections in nexusmods

[ionic remnant]

it's included

[worn jay]

https://www.wabbajack.org/gallery?selectedGame=Morrowind&nsfw=true&showUnofficial=true

[ionic remnant]

sent you a pic and list of mods included

i am sad, i installed it and got it working, started playing but then now i am sending back my gpu to amazon

[worn jay]

where it at

[ionic remnant]

cz i found it cheaper elsewhere + it's a better model (PNY XRGB OC PLUS 900 eur vs Zotac AMP EXTREME INFINITY 815 eur)

[ionic remnant]

ur dms

[tawny thicket]

unlucky guy, my brother has been using a 7900 XT for 2years now with no issues : )

[tropic bobcat]

But that’s what makes it fun. 🤩

[ionic remnant]

Guys

I found a pc with a 5090 at 1850 eur
This is probably a mistake but its from a reputable shop's marketplace

Do i give it a try

[coarse linden]

That screams so much scam

Even cheapest 5090 is over 2200€ here

[tawny thicket]

might as well be asking us wether or not we want you to get scammed

[coarse linden]

I got better deal. I can sell you picture of 5090 for 1600€

[ionic remnant]

Its a legit vendor

They fixed the price now its 3950 eur

But i already bought at 1850

[tawny thicket]

and theres a garantee you can return it if its a scam ?

[ionic remnant]

Lets see if he cancels it

[coarse linden]

They will cancel it

[ionic remnant]

Yes

[ionic remnant]

Oh well then, was worth a try

[coarse linden]

Its quite clear pricing error

Or a scam

[ionic remnant]

Its pricing error

If i refresh its 3950 eur

[plucky quail]

Yes

[ionic remnant]

Its done

[plucky quail]

It might be one of the lesser rops

[ionic remnant]

Just pricing error

[coarse linden]

Whats the point when nvidia replaces those for free?

[plucky quail]

Just send it Nvidia back if rops are missing so you get a full version. If it’s not stating it on the site

[plucky quail]

Bruh

[coarse linden]

Battlefield 6 looking good except they should fire that monkey who copy pasted that flight model from 2042

[plucky quail]

What ever if you get it for 18 it’s good

[plucky quail]

Real watched the stream to get beta but i think even with the code they want me to preorder it. And I ain’t going to do that

[coarse linden]

Eh console peasant

[plucky quail]

🤨

[coarse linden]

PC users dont need any codes?

Only consoles do

If you signed up for labs you get early access of 2 days on first weekend thats about it

[plucky quail]

Really? I thought once they open a real beta not alpha then you going to need code

[coarse linden]

"No code needed, available to anyone,"

[hollow kettle]

You could get a code yesterday or whenever that creator stream was. That gave you early access to beta

By watching streamer and getting code somehow idk lol I was at work

[plucky quail]

Yea but thats for PC too right?

[coarse linden]

Heh Intel doing stupid things

Like rebranding Alder Lake as Raptor Lake

[tawny thicket]

Wat

[coarse linden]

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-launches-core-5-120-and-120f-rebadged-core-i5-12400-skus

[tawny thicket]

Classic intel

[plucky quail]

what

Finally they are out

[worn jay]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/s/qh38HOIdhQ

No Rx 9070 xt still on hardware survey

[spare coral]

Damn the shader compilation with the 12600k was really fast for stalker 2
It used to take 30 minutes with my i5 11400

[tawny thicket]

why is this game using 15GB OF VRAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJENytYHcnA

thats INSANE at 1080p with UQ upscaling

[tawny thicket]

and 14gig's without RT

[tropic bobcat]

nom nom

[hollow kettle]

Mine show as AMD Radeon (TM) Graphics in a couple different hardware detect softwares

[plucky quail]

Makes sense now

[hollow kettle]

Yeah it uses 14 or so for me also at high 1440p. You can use Opti in that game also if you dont already have it

[tawny thicket]

steam HW survey is as good as useless

i havent gotten a suvey in years even after having changed my hardware

and i know im not the only one

[tawny thicket]

yeah of course i have opti
i couldnt bear the look of that terrible TAA/FSR 2.0 for more than 2 minutes

[coarse linden]

Not completely useless. Best indication of hardware distribution we got

[tawny thicket]

i also really wanna try the new XeSS update that lets you use XeFG on AMD/NVIDIA

[tawny thicket]

okay maybe not completely uselss but it sure as sh't isnt accurate

[coarse linden]

Best we got..

And in broad sense does give accurate enough picture

[worn jay]

Not good cus it paints them in bad light

[hollow kettle]

I am like more than 50% sure that the AMD Radeon (TM) Graphics contains 9000 series

[worn jay]

A lot of it is igpu

[tawny thicket]

the few that got the survey anyway

[hollow kettle]

Oh yeah I never got the survey

Not in over a decade never once

[coarse linden]

I mean i havent gotten the survey since i got my card

[hollow kettle]

I thought steam just auto collected hardware info tbh lol

[tawny thicket]

last I got it was a month after i got my 6600

[coarse linden]

As far as i remember Valve does pull info from their games

[tawny thicket]

but only valve developed games ?
so portal/HL/etc

[coarse linden]

Pretty sure CS2 and Dota 2

[spare coral]

I got the survey twice in more than 10 years

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/Kvj5SEN-eNGT

[tawny thicket]

RYZEN domination

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/mRvBxGS1q4Rx

looks like 9060 xt 16GB is their best selling card, 9070 xt has fallen

[late ferry]

plebnation has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[coarse linden]

Fcking brackets as best sellers

[worn jay]

nvidia seems to have the majority of sales on amazon

[worn jay]

i got bunch of them from aliexpress lul, amazon charging 9$ for one

[coarse linden]

I got big roll of solder doing the job