pc-specs

[uneven portal]

I mean, it's funny how they said 'only 16 VRAM', as if that were little.

Regarding this, it's something that has already been discussed and it brings more than what was mentioned we will literally see our performance and VRAM usage significantly reduced.

[coarse linden]

Closer to 10 since its shared as system memory

[tawny thicket]

Ohhhh okay makes a lot more sense

[uneven portal]

Two years since neural texture compression was announced, we're talking about a theoretical 80% size reduction with no apparently significant loss.

https://i0.wp.com/www.pcmrace.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NVIDIA-NTC2.jpg

https://elchapuzasinformatico.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/NVIDIA-Random-Access-Neural-Compression-comparativa-texturas.jpg

[tawny thicket]

For me to care a game would actually have to support it, and currently, not a single game supports it AFAIK

[tawny thicket]

I linked a video where the guy says SM is "free performance" so im not sure what you meant by that or how it fits to that comment

[coarse linden]

Sad thing its going to need game developers to implement it

[uneven portal]

It's a new and quite effective compression method literally one of the few AI-based features we had been asking for that wasn't being done until now. But it's not free: it will require GPU processing to achieve the result. You always save VRAM, but you'll be using GPU power to get that benefit, which will hopefully be worth it given the reduced load. For now, it's only for new games — though, for example, if the devs of Stalker 2 wanted to implement it, I doubt it would be hard to add.

[uneven portal]

I think mods could add it for example, it would work with any RTX Remix creation.

[tawny thicket]

I think you pinned the wrong message,again, but fair points

[uneven portal]

mb

It’s a technology that I view with some fear because, like DLSS or Frame Generation, although it’s an improvement, companies will take it as an excuse to stop caring about texture compression. I don’t know how it will affect the future, but once you give these companies an inch, they’ll take a mile (ehem, GSC).

[coarse linden]

Probably but you those games that are being remixed dont really struggle with vram

[plucky quail]

In words of the doc: " AFTER 5 YEARS OF THE PS5 WE STILL ONLY GOT 16GB ON A FCK 1000$ GPU"

[uneven portal]

Well, actually yes besides that, performance also improves thanks to the compression, even if they don’t use all your VRAM. Keep that in mind.

[coarse linden]

Well as of now its still performance hit

But its getting better

[late ferry]

.ivenius has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

🐺 ´d

[worn jay]

60 class gpus at high 400$, next season 500$ if amd doesnt stop f'ing around

[uneven portal]

Less memory bus usage, less swapping or loading from storage, and better resource management doesn’t sound bad at all.

[uneven portal]

the problem is that these graphics cards barely improve, yet they still charge you about 30% more.

On top of that, adding 4GB of VRAM for me only cost 80 euros . and they cant do it😭

[coarse linden]

Losing 10 - 40% performance is not feature thats desirable for sake of smaller vram use

[uneven portal]

Who says that’s the actual consumption??? wtf

[coarse linden]

And thats just proof of concept testing and not practical use testing

[plucky quail]

100% we got more Vram and performance with 80TI with less cost after 5 years of the PS4. Now we get less performance same Vram and need to spend more money for it 2X for it. Just sad 🥀

[coarse linden]

Neat feature, going to need Nvidia to find new pet developers to push it

[uneven portal]

5% y 15% They were recently talking, about 40%?? Where?

It consumes additional computing power, but much less than if you had to load and handle full uncompressed textures.

[plucky quail]

Praying that Nvidia and AMD step up next gen. Nvidia seeing AMD doing something and AMD coming with UDNA

[worn jay]

udna will either be the rdna3 we expected or a nothing burger

[uneven portal]

AMD specializes in messing things up just because, never count on them.

They’re even capable of canceling a conference because they freaked out.

[plucky quail]

Yup like ... always?

[worn jay]

remember the leaked slides showing gamers buy <700$ so they wanted to price it at that

[coarse linden]

Eh show me it being used in actual game with benefits before that its just neat theoretical gimmick

[worn jay]

they are absolutely clueless in their marketing team

[plucky quail]

I mean they learned this gen how to do it right the numbers speak for it.
Hope that those that did the right call stay at AMD 🙂

[uneven portal]

You said 40%, so you’re the same don’t ask from others what you don’t give.

[coarse linden]

From the old testing before last weeks coop vector test

[worn jay]

they had a clear winner this gen, nvidia stagnated
They could've priced it at 500$ and just win, but they gotta follow what nvidia does
if they price up they have to price up further

[plucky quail]

Rather have a 150€ less costing same performing GPU than one that cost only 50dollar less

[uneven portal]

Pass it to me then

[coarse linden]

You must have seen it. It was from february or march

[worn jay]

im just gonna wait for intel to shake up the market, ill keep my gpu until it dies

[uneven portal]

No, I haven’t seen it, I’m just looking at recent test results.

[tawny thicket]

40% or so is without cooperative vectors
11%~ is with coop vectors AFAIK

[tawny thicket]

i dont really have much faith TBH

[tawny thicket]

when was the last time you saw a B850 at MSRP ?

[worn jay]

they are behind in performance but so far all their generations are positive outcome
especially battlemage, smooth launch
6700 xt perf for 250$ with better RT
and its half the die of A770
So full BM could be like 30% more perf on top

Celestial Xe3 already showing signs in panther lake igpu that is 50% better than previous gen, so same uplift

[worn jay]

its 280e here, not a bad card still

[tawny thicket]

well, no matter what your veiw point is, they still have a long way to go
the B580's die is the same size as a 4070, yet it performs similarly to a 4060...

[plucky quail]

Guys i found the Final Problem. So its a Chrome issue that happens when using Chromium browsers with drivers starting from 25.5.1.
Angle backend to one like --use-angle=gl or --use-angle=vulkan fixes the issue.
Problably the Driver had it hidden. The same was on Nvidia GPUs. Not the driver was at fault it was Chrome.

So revert the AMD driver Bug 1 to a 0
Add Bug to Chrome from 10000000 to 10000001

[plucky quail]

Driver for sure

[worn jay]

they have long way to go but they are the only one that can actually do something, unlike team red
Celestial top end if they release it is an 3090

[tawny thicket]

i heavily doubt

i dont think gaining 65%~ performance (which is where the 4070 is) is something intel can do with drivers at this point

[plucky quail]

65%??

[tawny thicket]

thats where the 4070 is

[worn jay]

drivers have been pretty good, only flaw i would say is that if u pair it with not the best CPU ur perf is kinda mid

[worn jay]

its already not the top end die they use for B580, so them getting 50% perf is good and plausible cus they have still a fresh built architecture and 30% on top of that if they go full out its a 5070/3090 perf level card

[tawny thicket]

something tells me something like that wouldnt be as good value VS AMD/Nvidia as the B580 is
plus, by the time celestial comes out, UDNA and Ruby whatever (RTX 60) will be out soon too

and the B580 looked much more impressive before the 9060 XT/5060 came out 🤷‍♂️

[worn jay]

true, they will have to give like 24GB memory and probably lose some $ on the card sold

pricing it aggressively

its still a net positive, without ARC they would be doomed in the laptop space
OEMs wouldnt even wanna touch their stuff, even if AMD is now ahead, they would be like 4x more ahead than they are if not for their battlemage
rumors about it being cancelled are bogus

[tawny thicket]

i tend to not read into romurs too much
they usually lead you to an AMD RDNA 3 level disapointment

[plucky quail]

XD

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrLC0GFpFsQ&t
9060 XT is kinda wonky sometimes

[worn jay]

i follow intel gpus for the most part cus thats what excites me ;'D Amd and nvidia can go into an anomaly

[tawny thicket]

cyberpunk RT ? better than 6800 XT
calisto protocol RT ? way worse than 6800 XT

[plucky quail]

You can see that we are in a Regression of performance.

[tawny thicket]

GTA V EH RT with 2nd bounce ? way worse than 6800 XT, without 2nd bounce ? same as 6800 XT

[worn jay]

6800 xt is goated

[plucky quail]

We need nother one

[worn jay]

its the best gpu amd released from the RDNA lineup

[late ferry]

lightning999933 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

Do you guys thing the IPC of Zen6 gonna be really that high?

[tawny thicket]

what a bieatch

[plucky quail]

I dont think that its gonna be that high. Also that the clocks are geting 7+ are crazy

[worn jay]

clock speed could be 6,4ghz cus 2 nodes better

[tawny thicket]

SH2 R 1% lows ? f"cked on SW lumen, HW lumen ? no.

[plucky quail]

6.4-6.2 is more in line but 7 + is too far.

[worn jay]

i believe max will be 6.6ghz at 10950x if we get lucky

[worn jay]

poll man

[tawny thicket]

i gotta do my thing you know

[plucky quail]

Sounds stupit but for the last AM5 i dont think so

[tawny thicket]

stupid is what they do with CPU naming
like changing laptop CPU naming scheme, TWICE FOR NO REASON

[worn jay]

AMD HX AI 395x MEGA GIGA

[plucky quail]

You forgot XTX at the end

[worn jay]

amd is doing what is xbox doing to themselves
xbox 360, xbox one x, series x

[tawny thicket]

RADEON AI MAX RX 9875 XT AI XT

[plucky quail]

OFC they do. Every Gen they need to add something

[tawny thicket]

RDNA naming has made sense so far TBF

[tawny thicket]

well, except for STARTING AT 5000 FOR SOME STUPID REASON

[worn jay]

hd radeon 7000, rx vega, rx radeon VII , rx 5700 xt, rx 6900 xt, rx 7900 xtx, rx 9070 xt

brother make up ur mind 😭

[tawny thicket]

AND THEN SKIPPING 8000

[tawny thicket]

okay well technically Strix halo is RX 8000 but who tha fuack cares

[plucky quail]

Nuh uh. 5000 than we got 7000 with Some letters added like XTX and GRE. And now we got the number moved to the right

[tawny thicket]

6000 also happened BTW

[plucky quail]

Yes but nothing changed in that time

well it got GRE in 2023 but do you count that?

[tawny thicket]

but RDNA naming isnt so bad
like, higher number = better still applies
the generation isnt hidden through some random obscure number
segmentation also isnt hidden like that
and the suffixxes are OK

[tawny thicket]

only actuall problem was 9060 XT having to models, 8 and 16 otherwise nothing crazy

[worn jay]

saddest part 5050 will outsell it ;'(

[tawny thicket]

CUZ OF THOSE GODAMN PREBUILTSSSS ::: ((((((

[tawny thicket]

ill do you one better

[plucky quail]

Still nothing like the CPU department. They did nothing exept add numbers as they got higher end CPUs. But it stayed like that since 5000

[worn jay]

rip intel in the cpu department

[late ferry]

.ivenius has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[worn jay]

ive seen 1 guy test from 7800x3d to 9800x3d on anomaly gamma, pretty good uplift for 1 generation

[tawny thicket]

mostly what they are doing at radeon too....

[worn jay]

i think they'll stagnate a bit still

[tawny thicket]

stagnate SO MUCH that they cant get 30% more performance ??

[worn jay]

something about bad bus and no vram and increased price

[plucky quail]

Adding numbers check BUT adding letters + changing name + Move numbers = no

[tawny thicket]

why i said *mostly

[worn jay]

unless they do a ryzen glue moment for UDNA, if its just an arch change i doubt it'll be as good as we expect

[tawny thicket]

counter: GDDR 7 and i dont think AMD wants to screw up their low end again (for pricing)

[plucky quail]

Most is more than 50%

[worn jay]

gddr7 offers no uplift in games almost, gddr6 is still better to use with the cost savings

i think the only one that was sensitive to gddr7 was hogwarts

[tawny thicket]

but it helps with bandwith, and smaller busses

[tawny thicket]

id say its like 65% consistent

so more than 50%

[worn jay]

sussy

one side of me is saying nvidia cant stagnate 2nd in a row (Refresh)

AMD on the other hand is always 50% either a hit gen or a dud

[tawny thicket]

How many cores does the 5060 have ?

i thought it was 3560 but TPU says 3840, at it just doesnt seem right

[worn jay]

my solution to that is just give us full dies with the bus that ur supposed to get ;') that simple AMD, and price it normally next time

[tawny thicket]

you only named AMD while that also goes for NVIDIA [sus] /s

[worn jay]

They deserve more of a bashing cus they are 8% market holders, publicly defending 8GB vram gpus
Nvidia does it cus AMD allows them

[tawny thicket]

i disagree with the first one, 2nd thing was worded incorectly, and i think wouldve made a lot more sense if it wasnt, and 3rd, kinda agree

[worn jay]

if they would be a threat nvidia would drop the prices, but AMD is doing minimal work so nvidia doesnt care in the end, we could see another increase next gen who knows

https://www.techspot.com/news/108225-nvidia-reaches-historic-92-gpu-market-share-leaves.html

[tropic bobcat]

Looks like I get to email Sapphire Customer Support 😒

[plucky quail]

Huh?

[tropic bobcat]

Sapphire. AMD GPU AIB.

[tropic bobcat]

It’s 1920.

[tawny thicket]

Okay, but why though ?

[tawny thicket]

WUT

[tropic bobcat]

NVIDIA counts virtual cores, AMD doesn’t.

So generally, whatever it says you need to half it for NVIDIA and even that’s just a rough estimate. Unless that changes this generation.

ADA Lovelace suffered from this problem I do know.

[tropic bobcat]

I need the dimensions of the thermal pads for my GPU which they don’t provide on their website.

[tawny thicket]

Ahh

[coarse linden]

You mean how Nvidia Started counting CUDAs double when they allowed INT side to do FP too in Ampere? or was it otherway around

[tawny thicket]

But im comparing NVIDIA to NVIDIA

[tropic bobcat]

Ada Lovelace is NVIDIA.

[tropic bobcat]

But anyway, yes I need to replace the thermal paste on my GPU or rather I want to. Just in case I rip the pads I’d like to grab some backups…

[coarse linden]

Blackwell unified cuda cores so its 128 cores FP or INT per SM. Ampere and ADA had it split 64 FP and 64 FP/INT. So core count is true.

Turin was scrub and had 64 cores per SM so im guessing confusion came from that when ampere went back to 128 cores and had it split

So no such thing as virtual cores. Just Nvidia doing its dishonest thing and only counting FP for CUDA count.. But now it doesnt really matter since its unified

Makes one kinda wonder what was the whole point of this adventure only to go back way Pascal did it

[coarse linden]

@tropic bobcat Do enlighten me how is that wrong?

[tropic bobcat]

Only certain specific parts of it and I didn’t feel like having an in depth discussion about it because I don’t have the energy for it tbh.

[coarse linden]

Fair enough

[tropic bobcat]

Thanks for being cool about it lol. I just have no energy right now. Still trying to find the right thickness for these thermal pads, this is idiotic.

I might just have to wing it and hope I don’t rip any of them 😒

[coarse linden]

Which card?

[tropic bobcat]

7900xtx Sapphire Pulse, already located the PTM7950 that’s no big deal. Might throw some on my CPU also because you can use it for both. It’s the pads for the VRAM and such that’s an issue finding the right thickness and type.

[cedar wraith]

guys i think here is a good place to ask? I have a 5700x3d with a 4070ti super and in places like Duga the fps is not really good no matter the resolution. An 9800x3d would be a good upgrade? Or not worth it? This is the only game i feel my cpu is not enough ...

[tropic bobcat]

What settings?

[cedar wraith]

Epic but even on high actually looks like it does not matter

[quasi granite]

i've got a super ultrawide (32:9) monitor but this game runs quite bad with the full ultrawide screen. I've tried many times to mess around with the settings but no luck - how do i get black bars on the sides while going back to 1440p resolution so i can get some fps back?

i've tried messing around with aspect ratio and enabling the bar settings but nothing changes and no bars get introduced

[tropic bobcat]

@coarse linden found some, Thermalright Odyssey, $20 on Aliexprsss for a pack of 0.5mm, 1.5mm, 2mm and 2.5mm.

[coarse linden]

Eww ali

[tropic bobcat]

Wha?

They sell great PC components and stuff. I got my $30 Lian Li GPU bracket on there for $8.

[coarse linden]

Eh they have screwed me one time too many

[tropic bobcat]

Haven’t to me yet.

I decided to go with these.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_msQPfpl

Grabbed some PTM7950 also of course, and some extra tools I’ve been needing.

[coarse linden]

PTM is the good stuff

Too bad its kinda hard to come by since OG factory only sells to companies

[tropic bobcat]

Oh yeah, JOYJOM on Amazon sells the real stuff at decent prices, $16 for 40mm x 80mm sheet.

[coarse linden]

My only source is some polish online store lol

[tropic bobcat]

Might put some on my CPU also which I’ll freely admit I’ve never tried. MX-4 has been my stuff for years and years and years now lol.

[coarse linden]

MX4 is good. Not good for GPU since it pumps out

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve got probably a dozen tubes of the stuff lying around.

[coarse linden]

Kryonaut was my way to go for CPU for while but since latest incident been tad hesitant to use it again

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, my sapphire uses standard paste. I spotted a 97c hotspot earlier. It’s summertime also, couldn’t hurt to throw in some PTM.

[tropic bobcat]

“Incident”?

[coarse linden]

It hardened real bad so cpu came off the socket with cooler

[cedar wraith]

So? Will it be a good upgrade for STALKER2?

[coarse linden]

In theory 50% uplift. Practically in Stalker 2 something like 10ish to 15ish fps more

But other games will love it for sure

[tropic bobcat]

Twist.

[coarse linden]

It didnt twist at all

[tropic bobcat]

Ok, blow dryer

[coarse linden]

It was like cement glue

[tropic bobcat]

Dental floss.

[coarse linden]

That and isopropanol

3 year application and temps were fine so was kinda surprising

[tropic bobcat]

Did you also run the system for five minutes before removing it?

[coarse linden]

My system is on 24/7 lol

[tropic bobcat]

Whelp. They just sent you glue then.

[coarse linden]

Been doing this hobby for 30 years lol

[tropic bobcat]

AM4 was notorious for getting CPUs stuck to coolers it was…not so funny after a while lol.

Dental floss is crazy but goddamn does it work lol.

[coarse linden]

Had bit of a heart attack when it came off

[tropic bobcat]

If just twisting doesn’t work out comes the dental floss.

[coarse linden]

Now im experimenting with MX 6

To see if its any good

[tropic bobcat]

It’s a bit better than MX4 but it’s harder to work with since it’s not as viscous.

Wait I might of used that word wrong lmfao

Anyway, it’s thicker - you know what I mean anyway lol.

[coarse linden]

heh yeah

[tropic bobcat]

Costs more here also. Not sure about where you’re from.

[coarse linden]

7 month so far so good. Havent noticed the usual 1 month temp increase that kryonaut does

[tropic bobcat]

Grizzly is overrrated. I’m not sorry.

[coarse linden]

Kinda yeah

[tropic bobcat]

Sure they make good stuff but it’s not any better than anyone else and they charge out the ass for it.

[coarse linden]

And stupidly expensive

[tropic bobcat]

They’re the Corsair of paste, but their products aren’t shit

Corsair cuts corners. 🤨

[coarse linden]

Hey corsair isnt "that" bad

[tropic bobcat]

Well, I’m bias. I HATE their memory modules.

[coarse linden]

They did give us maglev fans and im kinda fond of the k70 keyboard

[tropic bobcat]

I’m using a SteelSeries keyboard and mouse at the moment. 💀💀💀

Build quality is top notch, but their software is straight doodoo.

But then again corsairs software ain’t much better lol

[coarse linden]

Tbh i have not downloaded any corsair software

[tropic bobcat]

It likes to just stop functioning

[coarse linden]

Nor did they have one for this keyboard when it came

[tropic bobcat]

Huh…

[coarse linden]

Been using this for like 11 years

[tropic bobcat]

Mine has this little screen on it so I wanted it at the time 🤣

[coarse linden]

pff

What was that logitech keyboard with mini screen

[tropic bobcat]

To be fair the keyboard itself was also revolutionary at the time.

[coarse linden]

Damn i wanted it so bad but could not justify the cost to myself

[tropic bobcat]

It was the first keyboard to ever feature magnetic switches. I checked. They hold the patent for it still.

Magnetic adjustable switches, I guess would be a better phrase.

[coarse linden]

That sounds kinda neat

[tropic bobcat]

Oh yeah, you just adjust it in the software and it just…does it.

It was freaking revolutionary at the time. LTT did a great video on it when they weren’t shit

[coarse linden]

Not that i would see any actual need to have mag switches

[tropic bobcat]

https://youtu.be/jEI9kPgX7O4?si=bak8pHG90qDmueO8

It’s just a six minute video but it’s really neat tech, pretty commonplace now but at the time and when I bought it was the cutting edge lol. Still is to some extent.

[coarse linden]

MX Reds been serving me well all this time so cant even see reliability aspect to justify extra euros

[tropic bobcat]

The tech really hasn’t changed that much to be honest. Anyway that’s a good watch.

[coarse linden]

Not much of a fan of LTT

Mostly its the hyperactive acting

[tropic bobcat]

Nah I agree but his older content was MUCH better.

That video is straight to the point, also. He just gives you the facts and that’s that. These days he’d turn that into a twenty minute video with Alex bursting everything into flames.

Alex is like the only Person on LTT that I like because he’s unhinged lol.

[coarse linden]

Only tech tuber i even bother to watch is gamers nexus

[tropic bobcat]

Totally fair, usually same.

I watch some of LTT’s old content but if I need facts I go to GN.

LTT is just entertainment and always has been to a certain extent. Their newer content is just slop.

[flat brook]

I’ve opted to just not use their software, besides it conflicting with software I actually do want to use, you don’t need to use it anyway

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve heard that quite a lot that it conflicts with other software and I’m sure it does but I’ve honesty never experienced it myself.

[worn jay]

i had it for 1.5y pretty good but i switched to kryosheet thermal pad and i got same if not a bit better temps (1C)

[tropic bobcat]

Grizzly costs way too much imo.

[worn jay]

20$ for permanent longevity seems like a good deal to me, hassle free

[tropic bobcat]

ptm7950 exists and costs less.

So far, for my country, I'm up to $32 on the kryosheet and its double the price of what I paid for ptm7950 and its half the size.

Unless its cheaper in your country, your paying for the brand and your getting screwed for it.

[worn jay]

cant buy ptm here, ptm also has an expiration date, this doesnt

[tropic bobcat]

Okay fair enough, but also they both “expire”, and the latter doesn’t have a “date” even if Honeywell says otherwise.

Just keep it in the fridge. 🫡

[plucky quail]

Guys what 1% low you have?

[tropic bobcat]

I dunno, why?

[plucky quail]

Game is just bad with the 1% lows

[tropic bobcat]

I’ve never noticed tbh.

[plucky quail]

Nvm tried my first game from December and worked

60FPS 1%-50FPS

[tropic bobcat]

That’s odd.

[nimble nexus]

Question for you. did you ever get mods regarding conflicts working.

Like getting mod merger working?

[outer rose]

I don't use many mods, I don't know what that is. I just know it plays well lol

[worn jay]

w

[tropic bobcat]

Would make sense considering it would be a next generation card, E.G NVIDIA 60xx would be on the horizon by then and whatever AMD decides their next naming scheme is.

[worn jay]

if they dont stagnate with vram intel has a chance

[tropic bobcat]

How do you mean?

[worn jay]

8gb

[tropic bobcat]

I don't think the C770 is going to have that problem. 😄

[worn jay]

i mean with nvidia and amd

[tropic bobcat]

Oh, AMD seems to be pretty fair with VRAM, historically speaking. NVDIA used to be. I'm not sure what was their idea with the 9060XT 8GB, you got me there.

[worn jay]

RDNA2 was the their moment, they really had an advantage in the vram department, this gen? not so much

[tropic bobcat]

never said they had an advantage, just that it was fair.

5060 Ti 16GB/8GB 9060XT 8GB/16GB
5070 12GB vs 9070 16GB
5070 Ti 16GB vs 9070XT 16GB

Seems pretty fair to me to be honest.

[worn jay]

a lot of it is all over the place with the regional pricing, in my country nvidia is cheaper which shouldnt happen

[tropic bobcat]

That is going to happen though.

[worn jay]

As for vram
5070 12GB is enough for a lot of games if u dont crank useless RT setting to the max

[tropic bobcat]

You can't stop that. Regional pricing is a reality of...anything really.

NVIDIA, Intel and everyone else suffers from that same problem by the way. ☝️

[worn jay]

its AMDs job to pressure retailers and AIBs
they did it with rebate at first
now its back to overpriced scalped

[tropic bobcat]

It is not.

Have we already forgotten EVGA?

[worn jay]

they got used to profits a lot
Since covid/crypto boom prices never went down ever, where its usually 2-3 months max after a new gen prices will start going msrp and under, but since RX 7000/RTX 4000 its always inflated

[tropic bobcat]

NVIDIA tried tactics like that with EVGA and it completely detonated in their faces.

[nimble nexus]

It plays it amazingly, I love the game far better on Linux... just wish they would make it native

[tropic bobcat]

Stalker 2?

[worn jay]

You know it'll be funny once intel starts providing competitive products , out of nowhere AMD and Nvidia start instantly cutting prices
RTX 5050 pcb is literally scraps, same with RX 9060

[tropic bobcat]

5050 matches the B580, by the way.

[nimble nexus]

Yup... It's insanely good

[tropic bobcat]

Huh, you on NVIDIA or AMD?

[nimble nexus]

nvidia

[worn jay]

5050 will outsell everything amd has cus of oems , and 50 is now 250$ priced class card cus of zero competition

[tropic bobcat]

AMD has massive performance gains on Linux. 7900xtx’s can surpass a 4090 on Linux pretty easily.

[nimble nexus]

That is why I am gettign a 9070xt soon.... or wait a few months and see if the 9080xt is a thing

[tropic bobcat]

Something tells me 9080XT isn’t happening though I’d love to be wrong.

[worn jay]

doubt it

[tropic bobcat]

Might not be a bad idea to wait anyway just in case I’m wrong.

[nimble nexus]

well, the prices are a lil above MSRP anyway

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah, there's no reference model.

[nimble nexus]

and are slowly dropping... so waiting wont be a bad thing

[tropic bobcat]

That is also true.

+$100 above MSRP isn't great, but honestly isn't the worst.

[tawny thicket]

your region is quite unlucky then.

[worn jay]

dunno , rdna4 is yet another ''hey guys we exist'' generation

[worn jay]

also in US same story , they have more shipments so they can drop the prices

[tawny thicket]

i disagree but whatever : )

[tawny thicket]

in my region pretty much every GPU is below MSRP so, i dont care that much

[tropic bobcat]

Same here, it is a great gneration and shows that AMD, while being serious still has work to do but that they are comitted to doing so.

The efficiency by itself is just great.

[worn jay]

effeciency is worse

[tropic bobcat]

60c at max load? My 7900xtx could never....

[nimble nexus]

Of course not, but I am in no need to rush, so I can afford to wait and save $100, which I can spend on other things

[tropic bobcat]

The 9070xt nearly matches my 7900xtx with HALF of the power draw, bud?

[worn jay]

u dont match that u match the competitors bud

[tropic bobcat]

They....do?

9070xt matches the 5070 Ti in rasterization...?

[worn jay]

also 9070 xt is downgrade cus of vram, eventually fsr 4 will come to 7000

[tropic bobcat]

Why? because you say so?

[worn jay]

efficiency is not raster btw

[tropic bobcat]

I never said it was?

What are you talking about? Are you just saying random nonsense in order to confuse everyone?

[nimble nexus]

Who is trying to justify nVidia? Shill.... I will never buy from tehm again... Just scamming gamers

[tawny thicket]

why do i feel like you are secretely dennythefart ?

[worn jay]

24GB vram > 16GB
What does it have? RT only? Which is still mid tech so its a side grade at best

[past escarp]

maybe he means power draw?

[tropic bobcat]

I don’t understand how someone can say the efficiency of 9000 series is worse than 7000 series. I love my 7900xtx but not only is it HOT, but it’s also an energy PIG.

[tropic bobcat]

Wouldn’t matter, as he’d still be wrong.

[worn jay]

Some people cannot compare objectively and efficiency is power draw

[nimble nexus]

the TI has 16Gb RAM, so what are you talking about, so the same as 9070xt

[worn jay]

he compared it to his 7900 xtx which had 24

[tropic bobcat]

I’m sitting here on my 7900xtx drawing over 420w just sitting here. It IDLES at 100w. 9070xt comes nowhere close to that but can nearly match the performance.

[tropic bobcat]

I compared it in rasterization, not video memory.

[tawny thicket]

why the hell are you comparing the XTX to the 9070 XT ?

[worn jay]

because he did

[past escarp]

yes, 50 series has better efficiency, no they still are bad and amd still wins 70 series cause of their power, not by power draw, but by fps/$

[tropic bobcat]

Because I didn’t*

[worn jay]

Thank you : )

[tawny thicket]

power draw wise ???, NOT VRAM

[tropic bobcat]

Yeah I never mentioned VRAM between the two I’m not sure where he pulled that from.

[tawny thicket]

efficency is perf/watt, not just power consumption, wth

[nimble nexus]

And?

the 9070XT runs a little fast/slower but for less power... that makes it more efficient

[tropic bobcat]

That’s very debatable.

[worn jay]

i was comparing it with the competitor 5070 ti , he started comparing it to 7900 xtx then i said its a downgrade from that card because of less vram, RT is pretty much still useless toggle in games

[tropic bobcat]

I don’t think you are going to get anywhere with them. Just another Danny.

[past escarp]

70xt is still cheaper then 7900xtx

[worn jay]

i literally have an AMD GPU , but i objectively say AMD is not as good of a value as people say

[worn jay]

he still downgraded is my point

[nimble nexus]

And?

So what, compairing to previous gen is thing... nVidia, customers and reviewers have been doing it for years.

So what exactly is the issue?

[past escarp]

it has better value then 50 series

[tropic bobcat]

Nobody downgraded? What’re you talking about now? This is just yap.

[tawny thicket]

he was only moparing efficiency, not performance nor VRAM

[nimble nexus]

not really when you incluse RT performance and FSR 4

[worn jay]

They are majority of the market share amd are just 8%, if u expect they will win like this totally wrong

[nimble nexus]

That is not what I was asking?

So WTF is this answer?

[past escarp]

only regarding vram, in regards to power consumption its upgrade, in fps its about the same, so i think its an upgrade. even though its like a 7800xt, but next gen

[worn jay]

FSR 4 can be used in RX 7000 modders have already figured it out , its not outside of amds possibility to implement it

[tropic bobcat]

*on linux

[tawny thicket]

and it runs much worse on RDNA 3...

[worn jay]

better that than vaseline FSR 3

[tropic bobcat]

There's also massive caveats to that bud.

[past escarp]

why wouldn`t it run on windows? seems like its not a hardware issue

[nimble nexus]

but it will be nowhere near as good, due to the AI chips required.

So a mute argument

[tropic bobcat]

Then why hasn't it?

[worn jay]

Cus their software team is pepega

[tawny thicket]

like, going from 60 to 50fps worse

[tropic bobcat]

You don’t think that at some point, one of these guys would have been like “hmmm, we’ve been doing this on Linux for a while…why don’t we try it on windows?”

But yet nothing has happened. It’s a valid point whether you like it or not.

[past escarp]

idk, could be a promotion of 90 series, maybe they just dont want to do this cause it doesnt have much sense

[tropic bobcat]

I’m not talking about AMD. We know why they haven’t done it yet.

[nimble nexus]

Really? That is funny... Linux better than windows 😄

[tawny thicket]

linux is easier to mod than windows.

[tropic bobcat]

Agreed, the visual “uploft” for worse performance despite being upscaled? Yeah…I’ll stick to XESS thanks.

[past escarp]

depends on what r u doing

[tropic bobcat]

Sure, but someone would have figured it out by now I’d imagine.

[past escarp]

for me - as for just a casual windows user who mainly plays games on it - windows is better option

[nimble nexus]

Gaming... and yes... Linux is really good. Darktide for me runs infinitely better on Linux

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/oKN4yhvlkvZ6
Lmao

[nimble nexus]

I am a casual gamer, runs like a dream

[tropic bobcat]

They figured out how to lift the power limit on my GPU without an EVC recently, that’s pretty huge. I figure they couldn’t figure out how to get some part of FSR4 working for these GPUs on windows.

[past escarp]

good for you i guess, but for me windows is just easier to navigate and use it overall

[tawny thicket]

taking the highest end 9070 XT card and comparing it to refrecne card ? lol

[tropic bobcat]

That’s why I still use it, Linux is great but still has its own list of issues just as Windows does.

[worn jay]

AMD doesnt have a reference card

[tropic bobcat]

Well, technically not true.

[worn jay]

show me it then

[tropic bobcat]

There is one, in China. It’s pretty not well known.

[nimble nexus]

for a causal user linux is easier on many fronts... especially it's flatpak stuff...

[tawny thicket]

looking at GN
the 9070 non XT has the same efficiency as the 4080
the XT (sapphire) is the same as a 5070 non TI FE, and leaves RDNA 3 in the dust being nearly twice as efficient (granted, thats the nitor model for the XT/XTX)
the 70 TI Asus prime is 11% more efficient

[past escarp]

nuh uh. thats all, im gonna go make slavery a thing in minecraft

[tropic bobcat]

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/41.htm

also, here’s the rest of that image they sent, since they decided to only snip the part they wanted us to see.

[tawny thicket]

for RDNA 3 they DO

[tawny thicket]

same for 4 but its china exclusive

[past escarp]

why did they made it so?

[worn jay]

i sent a gaming benchmark power draw

[tropic bobcat]

That chart also isn’t even that accurate, what the hell TPU?

[tawny thicket]

IDK, doesnt matter

[tropic bobcat]

It lists the 7900xtx Multi-Monitor at 14W which uhhhhhhh isn’t true?

[coarse linden]

Its not released

[past escarp]

no it matters, i think its pretty good looking card

[worn jay]

coping off the charts
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro/41.html

[coarse linden]

Some china boys pocketing cards nothing new

[worn jay]

GRE edition, first milk at china then release it for the rest of us

[tawny thicket]

link* doesnt function : )

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/i3HsQ2T.png

that's my idle power draw lol. ☝️

[tawny thicket]

R.I.P.

[coarse linden]

Works just fine?

[past escarp]

74w

[worn jay]

rdna 3 drivers moment

[tropic bobcat]

yeah, its a known issue. I'm not sure where TPU is getting their figures for the 7900xtx but its WAY wrong.

[tawny thicket]

not for me it didnt

[tawny thicket]

18W on my 6600 lol

[coarse linden]

Get actual browser instead rusty chromium

[tropic bobcat]

yeah, 7900xtx is beyond inefficient.

[tawny thicket]

in using firefox brhu

[tropic bobcat]

9070xt is also WAY cooler. My hotspot can hit upwards of 97c.

[tawny thicket]

hold up, i was looking at their RT chart : (

[tropic bobcat]

Repasting soon, anyway. Have penty of goodies on the way.

[tawny thicket]

they tested DD2 with RT TOO ARRGHH

[coarse linden]

I mean they explain how they get their results

[tropic bobcat]

I even got a new caliper 🙂

[coarse linden]

"We conduct a physical measurement using professional lab equipment, the values are not software sensor readings, which are much less accurate."

[tropic bobcat]

They should stop doing that then, because its wrong on the xtx.

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/fOcuwpFTiTIF
20ms transient spikes?

[tropic bobcat]

At least for multi-monitor.

[tawny thicket]

ive never seen physiscall measuring give lower readings than software : )

[tropic bobcat]

That would be because it doesn't, they do that to lend credibility. Industry standard.

[tawny thicket]

well, their starfield test doesnt..
https://imgur.com/a/heYpuX9

[coarse linden]

Eh they post what their measurements show them. You say they are wrong and in reality i dont even give a shit lol

[tropic bobcat]

Then why are you here?

[coarse linden]

Bored

[tropic bobcat]

So you do care.

[coarse linden]

Your back and forth is entertainment

[tropic bobcat]

🤷‍♂️

I'm just modding cyberpunk at the moment, waiting for mods to download.

https://i.imgur.com/zWt3PLZ.png

[tawny thicket]

9070 non XT as efficient as non TI
XT VS TI is differnet though thats 41% better for 5070TI here

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/iPaQJsKHq5Yh

[tawny thicket]

who ze fuack cares ?

[plucky quail]

tf

[tropic bobcat]

I moved on tbh, let them continue.

[plucky quail]

Why you got 100W idle

[worn jay]

someone said it was efficient, i am providing evidence

[tropic bobcat]

Because I run more then one monitor.

[plucky quail]

I do to

[tawny thicket]

and the evidence is power consumption 0.000000000000000000001% of the time ?

[plucky quail]

I only have 30w

[tropic bobcat]

It seems to be a widespread issue. Maybe only effects certain units?

[plucky quail]

What 100W?

[tropic bobcat]

High power consumption on multi-monitors, just do a quick google search.

[coarse linden]

Heh reminds me when both AMD and Nvidia had driver issues where multi monitor setup refused to downclock at all so card ran at full clocks constantly

[tropic bobcat]

You are also on 4k, I am not.

[plucky quail]

Thats not what is happening

[tropic bobcat]

The issue is 1440p monitors, 4k is unaffected.

Refresh rate also has an effect, could be another issue.

[plucky quail]

No you got some bad Monitor clock that is making your GPU clock higher

[plucky quail]

You can lower the hz to make it work

[tropic bobcat]

Really? becuase going from 180z to 144hz and the wattage is now half what it was.

Do I actually care? Not really.

[plucky quail]

I got 2 1440P monitors with one 144hz and other 165hz no problem on me

[coarse linden]

Few watts here or there

[tropic bobcat]

Some people mind the power consumption, I don't personally.

[plucky quail]

70w more is big

[tropic bobcat]

I don't mind.

[plucky quail]

Thats a hole CPU you got in there of extra usage

[tropic bobcat]

More like two.

[plucky quail]

Just change the sec monitor to a lower or similar hz

[tropic bobcat]

165hz also fixes that issue btw, its well documented.

I just don't care enough to want to address it.

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/IhXTQX4RDTzD

[tropic bobcat]

It doesn't actually affect in-game performance at all, the thing draws over 420w at load, I think we are past "reasonable" anyway.

[tropic bobcat]

Bro why are you still on this? Go take ya meds.

[coarse linden]

Relax

[plucky quail]

that anyway with 450 on older highend GPUs and now 600w

[tropic bobcat]

Well 5090 is unsusal haha.

[tawny thicket]

you DO realize that HUBs power testing is quite literally uselss cuz they test THE ENTIRE SYSTEM unlike GN

[worn jay]

Some people to attached to material stuff, so they gotta defend their purchasing decisions, im just here fact spitting

[tropic bobcat]

Even the 4090 only draw 475w maximum, give or take a little for AIB's.

[worn jay]

Starfield at 1440p is up now. This is without ray tracing. The 9070 XT pulled 310W again here, landing at 0.34 FPS/W and just ahead of the B570 and 7800 XT. The 5070 and 5070 Ti are both more efficient, with the 5070 Ti in particular keeping a massive improvement at 0.48 FPS/W. The performance is comparable on the 9070 XT and the 5070 Ti here, meaning that most of that efficiency benefit comes from the NVIDIA card pulling just 209W

GN's review

[tropic bobcat]

Ok, Danny.

[worn jay]

You asked for GN i gave GN

[tropic bobcat]

Okay, Danny, we get it.

[tawny thicket]

fair. but i already posted that, BTW

[tropic bobcat]

Everyone else already moved on too.

2.2GB for this mod, come on man....

[worn jay]

At 1080p but still in F1 24 with RT, the 9070 XT ran at 311W and scored 0.51 FPS/W. That puts it ahead of the RTX 4060, the Intel B580, and 42% improved on the prior 7900 XT. NVIDIA’s 5070 Ti maintains an advantage at 266W
(GN)

[plucky quail]

I dont really care anymore about Wattage in Gaming. Just the usage in Idle since sometimes i leave it on.

[tawny thicket]

non XT is much more efficient though, which is a littly weird to me 🤔

[coarse linden]

Tbh i have not seen my 5070 ti pull over 300w in any game so far

[tropic bobcat]

Fair enough, I stopped caring about either. I like my 180Hz even if its diminshing returns.

[plucky quail]

XT is just the Trying to get the most out of it

[worn jay]

if amd would release bios flash for non 9070 to flash to 9070 XT , you can do it now but needs some workaround

[tropic bobcat]

9070 is just a 9070xt anyway.

They are identical chips.

[tawny thicket]

but the non XT has like 20% less cores i think

[tropic bobcat]

They're disabled.

They are present. Flashing the 9070xt vBIOS on a 9070 gives you the performance of a 9070xt.

[tawny thicket]

true, but its not like you could simply enable them : )

[plucky quail]

I just remember myself that a beast PC with 2 CPUs and 2 SLI GPUs only took 600W. Today one GPU takes as much

[coarse linden]

Disabled or simply not working

[tropic bobcat]

Either or, my guess is disabled. Thats usually the case.

[worn jay]

ye its crazy efficient

[tawny thicket]

it gives a higher power budget

[tropic bobcat]

it also often changes the clocks.

[plucky quail]

Did you try using all the stuff that nvidia has?

[worn jay]

Did you try to undervolt it @coarse linden by any chance

[tawny thicket]

its not gonna activate the inactive cores

[plucky quail]

Since Nvidia has the extra cores for RT and AI you actually dont use all of the GPU.

[coarse linden]

?

[tawny thicket]

PT, FG, RR, DLSS

[plucky quail]

Upscaling FG like use AI 100% and use RT at 100%

Like use the GPU as much as you can

[coarse linden]

Have not used FG tbf

[tropic bobcat]

I use it on cyberpunk and stalker

[plucky quail]

Even with all the AI stuff i dont think you will get the reall 100% usage of the Chip cuz the AI on nvidia is strong enough for basic DLSS

[tawny thicket]

wonder if same goes for RDNA 4 🤔

[coarse linden]

Only experimented so far. Does run 875 with +300 on core and 1000 on memory with it but not sure if its stable. Been too lazy about it

[nimble nexus]

what FG?

[worn jay]

230w in games i assume?

[plucky quail]

Since AMD has no AI CORES and its more build in the CU i would think that the power usage stays same since all the cores are active all the time to get you most FPS

[tropic bobcat]

FSR 3.1 + XESS2 at the moment.

[nimble nexus]

okay

[coarse linden]

Did not measure lol

[tropic bobcat]

Looks quite nice plus....a lot of mods....

[tawny thicket]

2077 ?

[coarse linden]

Cyberpunk runs 60fps on path tracing at 1440p is good enough for me

[tropic bobcat]

yeah.

[nimble nexus]

nice.... you got a flashlight mod? The custom one I am using is not working, the UI is not coming on.

[tawny thicket]

hows their FG implementation for ya ?

[tropic bobcat]

I use many many many many visual mods.

[worn jay]

cyberpunk botched the update with FSR4 , frame time all over the place

[tropic bobcat]

The best out of any game to date, the devs did a great job with FG implmentation.

[tropic bobcat]

Sounds like a personal problem perhaps.

[tawny thicket]

just cuz this is the only footage i have of it, and here it looks like ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pNuhZRsEXI

[tawny thicket]

AG showcased it

[tropic bobcat]

Thats because FSR 3.1 is ass. im talking about the framegen.

[tawny thicket]

so am I : )

[tropic bobcat]

Looks fine for me and...everyone else on the modding discord at least.

[plucky quail]

Wow didint see that coming

How much?

[tropic bobcat]

That video he's also using FSR 3.1 Upscaling, I'm not.

[worn jay]

https://youtu.be/kEnuTrZZ81g?si=wpGEPNvBr-yeEYwf
Epic frame time CDPR

[tropic bobcat]

These frametimes are off by like .3MS at most in all these frames im seeing?

What am I missing here?

[tawny thicket]

as if upscaling method mattered to FG quality?
and BTW, thats before they added 3.1...

[tawny thicket]

that its way worse than last update ?

[tropic bobcat]

You said it LOOKED bad, thats FSR 3.1 mostly there.

[plucky quail]

Thats just on the devs.
But i want to ask you how much?

[worn jay]

moving camera causing stutters

[tropic bobcat]

Doesn't on my end.

[tawny thicket]

have you even watched the video i linked ???

[tropic bobcat]

Yes...? Thats why Im commenting on them using FSR 3.1 Upscaling AND FrameGen.

[tawny thicket]

fun fact, you cant* use 3.1 upscaling unless you have RDNA 4 (in cyberpunk anyway)

[coarse linden]

I mean not ideal but far from unplayable really

[tropic bobcat]

I don't.

[tropic bobcat]

I've not noticed it personally.

[plucky quail]

My stalker has worse 1% lows

[worn jay]

stalker sht until they move to 5.6

[tawny thicket]

i meant cant* BTW : )

[plucky quail]

Not cuz of that

[coarse linden]

Still better frametimes what unreal engine offers

[tropic bobcat]

I can.

[plucky quail]

I think i downloaded Mods and it kinda fck my game and now its stuttering on the newest Game i started

But the older saves are Fine

80fps - 70 1% lowss

[tawny thicket]

maybe this will help clear up what i meant, the part in red didnt get interpolated only the part i circled with blue had FG applied to it
https://imgur.com/a/H1TFKMi

[tawny thicket]

you sure your eyes arent deceiving you ?
send a screenshot of you having FSR 3.1 upscaling selected

[plucky quail]

But how much?

[tawny thicket]

doesnt matter, all that matters is FSR 3.1 uscaling

[plucky quail]

No how much is CDPR getting payed?

[tawny thicket]

ohhhh

[plucky quail]

Do we gonna get this month even new driver?

[tawny thicket]

answer: LOL

[tawny thicket]

each month usually has a new driver

[plucky quail]

To fix the stutters? And Officially make FSR4 in CP77

[coarse linden]

AMD pushes monthly drivers? Since when?

[worn jay]

the times when RDNA2 got 3 drivers per month

[tawny thicket]

since adrenalin came out lol

[plucky quail]

I hate that they started to leave a month or make it Optional.

Past 2 years it was fine but no they had the blow it up. They and their pride and ego

[late ferry]

plebnation has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[coarse linden]

Oh cmon.... This f bot. I aint writing that again

[real kraken]

Hello guys, which settings in the game is cpu intense?

My cpu is hot when playing S2 and I would to know which settings is especially cpu task

[tawny thicket]

LOD/culling stuff

[plucky quail]

set the game to off

[tawny thicket]

or disable lumen

[tropic bobcat]

Define “hot”?

[worn jay]

LMAO

[tropic bobcat]

The game might do that for you if we’re being real.

I bought more thermal pads, so now I have a full set for no particular reason.

[real kraken]

80-85C

My cpu is around 70C in other games like metro exodus enhanced

[inland bison]

I desperately need help with the stuttering in this game, its making the game bascially unplayable for me

[tropic bobcat]

Alright, CoochieMan.

[inland bison]

I have a 9800x3d and a 9070xt and have downloaded both a stuttering fix pak and a engine.ini tweak but they haven't helped much

[tawny thicket]

Most of those things are snake oil

[next forum]

works on nvidia

I got 9800x3d and 3090ti

[tawny thicket]

brand really doesnt matter for these sort of things : )

[plucky quail]

Has to do with mods. Bricked my game with low 1%

[fiery wigeon]

If you have the steam version, the engine.ini tweaks must be in gameusersettings.ini or something like that.

I have a old i5 10400f with 6900xt and ddr4 ram. Playing at 4k high/epic with TSR 80% (yes, TSR) and FSR framegen ingame @60fps stable without any stuttering (while using reshade as well).

I also changed from TAA to FXAA in the ini.

If you want I can send you my tweaked ini

[tropic bobcat]

Engine.ini and GameUserSettings.ini are completely different things. If you start adding things meant to be apart of your Engine.ini there’s a good chance you may just break your game until you remove whatever it is that you added. Now, that being said the Steam version does not have an Engine.ini but you can just create one and the game will recognize it.

Anyway, my guess is his problem is mod related because there shouldn’t really be any reason why his game shouldn’t be running well on a 9800x3D and a 9070 XT., his install could also be borked. Whatever the cause is I seriously doubt it’s his hardware unless it’s faulty.

[tropic bobcat]

Which mod?

[plucky quail]

Don’t know yet but I think it’s the forests mod

[tropic bobcat]

The one that adds more forestry? That one?

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/1433

this one?

If that’s the one in question, that’s exactly what the problem is.

[fiery wigeon]

The autor off the ini tweaks specifically stated that for the steam version the engine.ini wouldn't be recognized, and recommend to use the gameusersettings.ini which I did and it worked great for me (I added two full ini tweaks in that file plus the change to FXAA.

Non issues, I had only one crash in 70 houres, aand that was due to a corrupted save file, just load one older quicksave and it was working again.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3369280920

In the comments also a discussion about this (for me the engine.ini didnt work as well)

[tropic bobcat]

Interesting considering it works for me.

Author? You mean….GSC GameWorld? Epic Games?

[fiery wigeon]

Author of the guide 🙂

[tropic bobcat]

Unfortunately they’d be wrong.

EDIT: Nowhere in this guide does the author state that creating an Engine.ini file will not work for the Steam version of the game, not that I'm seeing. Not really sure where that was pulled from.

https://i.imgur.com/R3X2ous.png

here's mine and I know its working and I'll show you why.

[fiery wigeon]

No problem, at least it works for me this way 🙂

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/INX9k5g.png

That line at the very bottom disables the warmup and sure enough it does work, so the file is being recognized.

[plucky quail]

Yes

[tropic bobcat]

Have ya tried removing it yet?

[plucky quail]

Yes

[tropic bobcat]

Did it change anything...?

[fiery wigeon]

Glad it works for you 🙂 but for me it works this way as well. And an old saying for me is: never touch a running system. So I keep it this way, if it works it works. (And I have a backup of the file of course)

[tropic bobcat]

https://i.imgur.com/vhQp9kF.png

my favorite

[plucky quail]

No

[tawny thicket]

Why change to FXAA of you are already using TSR ?

[tawny thicket]

TSR just overrites FXAA for AA

[plucky quail]

whý does amost every gun has a scope bolted in.

[ionic remnant]

Its really strange how high end UE5 graphics require so much cpu (even when its a single player)

Is it time for zen 6 cpu

[plucky quail]

more fix engines and devs

[coarse linden]

In stalker 2 case its the AI really.. It being abysmally heavy from foundation does not help for what they are trying to do

[nimble nexus]

A friend of mine was clearing out the house and had an old PC in it, I said, I will take that...

Turns out, he had a AMD Phenom II 955x4 black edition, with 8Gb of RAM, and HD6950 in it, all working... current installing linux, will install proton on it, MAME too, it's got a SSD in it... It's going to be a fun little thing to tinker with.

Infact, I am using it right now.

Think I will need to sort out the thermal paste in the GPU though, tis a bit old, and probably dryer than the sahar

[unborn mirage]

Hi should i turn off motion blur? does it heavily affects gpu resource? how about post processing effect? should i turn it down to low? using 3070

[coarse linden]

Any self respecting PC gamer turns off motion blur as first thing after they start the game

[next forum]

it doesnt impact

i personally prefer a bit motion blur in S2 because it hides low details in the background

[worn jay]

https://wccftech.com/fallout-new-vegas-rtx-mod-path-tracing/

sick

[unborn mirage]

i keep getting memory leak in busy places like rostok whenever i opened my map and it stays stuck at 5-14 fps. is there any way to completely resolve this or should i keep quitting to main menu and reload the game?

[worn jay]

try to DL a stalker 2 optimization mod to mitigate that

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/7

[unborn mirage]

sadly it's already installed 😭

[worn jay]

verify steam files, try to lower settings even further with the upscalers if needed

if u didnt compile shaders in a long time try to do it again

[unborn mirage]

I've lowered the dlss to ultra performance, I'll get back later with the result

[plucky quail]

GPU?

[tawny thicket]

lol

such high confidence

[worn jay]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gwej01BXsAAb3NC?format=jpg&name=small

[worn jay]

CPU Topseller Amazon US 🇺🇸

The first Intel CPU in the list moved 2K units last month, while the first 3 AMD CPUs alone did 27K units.

[plucky quail]

Almost didn’t see intel

[tropic bobcat]

These don’t work.

It’s a placebo effect. They do nothing to optimize the game itself. Most of the commands within these files aren’t even correct. I’d avoid using them.

S.2 Optimization Tweaks specifically actually makes performance worse in certain areas like Rostok.

[tropic bobcat]

I’d suggest remove it ASAP, this mod in particular makes performance in Rostok worse, for example. Remove this mod and run around in Rostok and get back to me with the results to see what changes.

[nimble nexus]

Of course, it could all go away if GCs did their job properly, but nah 😄

[tropic bobcat]

Sure would, but UE5 certainly isn’t making things better. If UE5 at least didn’t make everything look like smeared ass that would be great to start.

[tawny thicket]

This game is certainly not the best graphically for sure

[tropic bobcat]

Cool, but that isn’t what I said.

[plucky quail]

Sticking to ue4 would have been best call

[nimble nexus]

That is mrope to with the devs, I have played plenty of UE5 games and most of them look great, becaue the devs put the time and effort in.

GCS are just lazy and useless, always taking the quick option, rather than putting the effort in.

[tropic bobcat]

Agreed, sure maybe it wouldn’t have looked as “realistic” but at least it wouldn’t be smeared ass and run like trash, kinda…

[tawny thicket]

All my UE 4 games are unoptimized AF lol

[nimble nexus]

Abosulty cluster F of a call that.

[tropic bobcat]

UE5 is notorious for smearing everything. It’s not unusual.

[plucky quail]

Run better than ue5

[tropic bobcat]

That’s not really fair. The developers expected an engine that wasn’t pure utter dogshit.

[tawny thicket]

And look worse too...

[tropic bobcat]

The developers have their share of the blame for sure, but it isn’t 100% on them.

[nimble nexus]

No really, it depents, its smeary because of the AA, old AA games look way sharper, becaue of the AA tech used, for some reason the new AA stuff, just looks dog shit.

[tropic bobcat]

Compare Unreal Engine 5.1 to Unreal Engine 5.7, the performance difference alone is night and damn day. The comparison is shocking,

[plucky quail]

They wasted 1-2 years on ue5

[tawny thicket]

Also, UE 4 suffers from the same smear/ghost problem 5 does, especially if FSR/XeSS/DLSS aren't available

[tropic bobcat]

UE5 is dependent on AA, a lot of games aren’t.

[nimble nexus]

and had to cut corners and take short cuts, one of which meant they couldn;t implement A-Life how they wanted due to the way the game was zoned.

[tropic bobcat]

Sure it does but it’s nowhere near as bad. Take a look at Days Gone, looks great without any AA whatsoever, but of course it looks even better with it.

[plucky quail]

Did you guys see the unfinished locations ? There are so many

It’s just incredible. And so many missions that modders find and reimplement

[tawny thicket]

Ehh, ill counter that by saying that SCUM, BL3 (UE4) was more smeary to me than satisfactory and ASA

[nimble nexus]

Like I said, depends on the AA...

And it's blight of modern gaming in general, because devs use all this stuff, to take short cuts and do a lazy ass job. That is not something that is unique to UE5...

Just modern game development in general, be as lazy as possible and do a slop job that just passes.

[plucky quail]

I don’t really care what ue is more smeary least it’s running

[tawny thicket]

Days gone is the exception, not the rule...

[plucky quail]

And I have content

[nimble nexus]

And it was all down to poor management, snd blowing 10's of millions of god knows what.

[tropic bobcat]

UE5 is a common denominator though not always.

[plucky quail]

Somehow they repeat the same mistakes even worse than legacy games

Least they had own engine

[tropic bobcat]

Their management does seem rather poor, doesn’t it?

[plucky quail]

Like a real upcoming team

[nimble nexus]

So explain the rest of gaming industry that has the same problems, that don't use UE5...

[tropic bobcat]

“though not always”

[plucky quail]

💯 they are so disorganized

[nimble nexus]

Poor 😄

Non-existent 😄

[tawny thicket]

I haven't tried disabling TAA in BL3 but i have tried in scum and it made me want to throw up, it was so bad..

[tropic bobcat]

Call it whenever you want.

[nimble nexus]

A steaming pile of donkey turd

[tropic bobcat]

Alright.

[tawny thicket]

Hi mistor probably scammer

[tropic bobcat]

@pure ibex

[pure ibex]

hes owned

[tropic bobcat]

get owned bruh

[tawny thicket]

Though it was cracker jack...
That's why i couldn't find him : (

[tropic bobcat]

It took me a while also…discord just kept having his name appear and then disappear, this app is trash sometimes.

Wonder how it’s going to go when discord goes public…

[nimble nexus]

Well, it's owned by TenCents, all they want is your money and data, they give a single F about providing a good app.

Why would they, when so many mugs pay for the garbage they dish out.

[plucky quail]

Worst I feel is that this game could been much better if it had avoided switching

[tropic bobcat]

What is owned by TenCent?

[tawny thicket]

Your cents..
The whole ten of them

[nimble nexus]

Discord

[tawny thicket]

Discord to be serious

[tropic bobcat]

Uhh? Discord is a Privately held company. Sony owns some of it too.

[nimble nexus]

Sony can F off too... But the majority holder I think is TenCents IIRC.

[tropic bobcat]

Discord is going for an IPO. It can’t be “owned” by TenCent.

[tawny thicket]

July 22nd, came and went... No GPU : (((((
ARRGHHH

[nimble nexus]

Eh What?

[tawny thicket]

Ordered a 9060 XT, still isn't here, and o have no updates on shipping so i gave up, refunded it

[tropic bobcat]

They bought a GPU and it hasnt shown up yet is my guess.

But my thermal pads, PTM7950 and other tools showed up for my GPU to be repasted 😉

Not sure when I’ll get around to doing that 😒

[nimble nexus]

did you get it of a reputable site?

[plucky quail]

Where did you order

[tropic bobcat]

Probably got “scammed” on Amazon

[tawny thicket]

Thought so...

[tawny thicket]

IDK RN

[plucky quail]

[tawny thicket]

Forgor

[tropic bobcat]

You do not know where you ordered it from?

[nimble nexus]

I order pads and thermal past today.... I got a HD6950, from years ago. 2Gb of RAM 😄

Gonna turn it into a retro gaming machine with MAME and maybe windows XP or 7.

[tropic bobcat]

Long as it’s PTM7950

[nimble nexus]

Did you get your money when you cancelled

[nimble nexus]

?

[tawny thicket]

I knew, when i refunded it,

[tropic bobcat]

It’s a phase changing material. You don’t actually need it for a GPU like that, it’s more for high performance GPUs.

[nimble nexus]

I got some mx4 paste, if not, got some grizzly...

The pads are grizzly too

[tawny thicket]

Anyway, i bought it from a diferent retailer, one that i actually trust, should be here tomorrow

[tropic bobcat]

Those grizzly pads are the same thing, PTM.

PTM7950 is just the “original” from Honeywell. They also cost less usually.

[plucky quail]

BENCHMARK

[tawny thicket]

I will once i get it

[nimble nexus]

Thanks for the heads up I will remember that

[tropic bobcat]

There’s a lot of fake PTM7950 specifically, I get mine from JOYJOM on Amazon, it’s a fan favorite of ours in the overclocking community.

[nimble nexus]

#📸┃screens_and_videos message

[nimble nexus]

Really, I generally hate Amazon, as it is mostly cheap chinese shyte... Are they American or British?

[tropic bobcat]

No ides what the company is, but they sell the legit stuff not clones.

Real PTM7950 is 0.25mm thick, the clones are often 0.20mm. 😒

[nimble nexus]

#📸┃screens_and_videos message

This was the CPU cooler in teh PC I got... It was well looked after 😄

[nimble nexus]

Cheers, I will check them out 😄

[ionic remnant]

I know nvidia has advanced AI SLI technology that they use for AI gpus but they just seem to refuse to bring it to gaming gpus

[past escarp]

wow ngreedia seems to not care about common users, so unexpected

[tropic bobcat]

SLI and Crossfire weren't effective for gaming, which is why both were discontinued.

[tropic bobcat]

More to do with the fact it would make no sense to support it in this case.

[nimble nexus]

Big issues with microstutters

[tropic bobcat]

That and GPU usage.

[past escarp]

i guess its more like "if i have 2 1080ti - there is no point in buying 2080ti, cause its no more powerful then 2x 1080ti"

[tropic bobcat]

No, its more like it wasnt effective for gaming - at all.

[past escarp]

if it really x2 fps, but it didn`t, unffrtunately

[past escarp]

it was somewhat effective, from what i`ve heard

[tropic bobcat]

No, not really. It was trash.

It had no place in gaming which is why support was dropped. You'd see 50% usage for each GPU in gaming at best. You'd often find the same performance or even better performance with just one GPU.

input latency was also a major issue.

[past escarp]

if it worked properly - world would`ve been a better place

[tropic bobcat]

It never would have.

[past escarp]

unfortunately, a lot of thing doesnt work like they should have

[tropic bobcat]

SLI only worked WHEN developers implemented it also...

[past escarp]

lets just hope that one day - it will come back, working properly

[tropic bobcat]

God I hope not...

[hollow kettle]

It would be a cool flex. Especially with current gpu prices lol

[coarse linden]

Lesson learned only order ones shipped by amazon itself and not some bs garage store

[unborn mirage]

3070

[tropic bobcat]

Did you try removing S.2 Optimization Tweaks? I’d seriously recommend ditching that mod immediately as it causes major issues with the game and performance.

[unborn mirage]

Good morning, I just woke up and removed it now. sorry about that, it was 12 am earlier here at my country. Should I change the upscaler back to balance too? I lowered it to ultra performance last time and the game textures looked like an oil painting lol.

[tropic bobcat]

Hey no worries. Just wanted to make sure you ditch those mods, to reiterate they do NOT work, like at all. Now the ones that change the game VISUALLY often do.

Keep the upscaler at whatever it was before and give Rostok another try since removing S2.

[unborn mirage]

okay, I'll play now

I mean, testing it now.

[unborn mirage]

wow currently at rostok and i am running, jumping, sprinting then openning the map and so far so good. no fps drop to 12

lol i take it back. i went in to the arena bar and quickly open pda map and the fps is now at 4 lol. It wont go back to 55+

I guess whenever the game load something when I enter a building in rostok and quickly opened the map that's the time the fps drops and stays. sad

[tropic bobcat]

well its a start at least.

what settings and res?

[unborn mirage]

fps 4 gpu 99% lol

[tropic bobcat]

99%? In rostok...? really?

thats...unusually high, thats a good thing. even mine never gets that high cause this game is nasty on cpu optimization...

[unborn mirage]

yup this happens when i open map quickly, fps will drop to 1 digit and gpu will go up to 99%

[tropic bobcat]

i mean 99% is good, uhhh can ou check vram, usage?

[unborn mirage]

although my cpu is only at 20%

I'm looking at the task manager and the dedicated memory usage on gpu is almost high at 8gb on the graph

Yup until now it's still stuck at 4 fps and 99% gpu util.

Okay so I loaded back to my recent save at duga and the fps is still at 4. I can confirm that the only way to stop the fps being stuck to 1 digit is to quit to main meny and load the game from there. Quitting back to main menu gets the fps back to 60 and gpu util to lower than 50%

[tropic bobcat]

how high is that? 7.6gb? 7.8gb?

[unborn mirage]

maybe 7.6gb the graph doesn't show the amount only that the line is near at the top 8gb..

[tropic bobcat]

yeah that could be why.

[ionic remnant]

You think an AI model couldnt fix that

Nvlink is still used to this day for AI gpus

And it has improved compared to when gaming had it

[ionic remnant]

I think they can do it right now

[unborn mirage]

I really hope they make more optimizations

[coarse linden]

DX12 was kinda final nail since instead of drivers handling SLI its developers responsibility to make it work and seemingly since developers hate dx12 still, thats never going to happen

Could even do that cursed mixed GPU with it but you know

[ionic remnant]

Oh i see

[coarse linden]

Technically nothing stops you from installing 2 gpus and having it work with games if game developer have added support for it

Thought needs to be dx12 game

[plucky quail]

Are you playing on low ? And what resolution?

[plucky quail]

Not going to happen. Play 720p and all low so you don’t get it. Vram is already optimized. It would look very bad if they further optimized vram usage

[unborn mirage]

1080

[reef pagoda]

I've had the same issues with the game droping to 1 digit fps.It mosly happened when entering the Slag Heap building and looking towards the right,it would fix itself after a while.Since i've progressed from that area,i didn't encounter the problem anymore(hopefully)

[plucky quail]

You need to play low settings

[tropic bobcat]

No. Otherwise it would have.

[plucky quail]

Guys you don’t see the big picture. Sli FG times 16x

[tawny thicket]

i had a 6600 and i didnt have to play all low

[plucky quail]

blame Nvidia? Somehow he is getting Vram leak.

[plucky quail]

https://youtu.be/4SfPLhTgRPQ?si=f92yvlEf7ptKND8K

[tropic bobcat]

Could also be a mod.

[tawny thicket]

9060 XT 16GB: INSTALLED 🥳

[plucky quail]

Bench

Mark

[tawny thicket]

im gonna start with cyberpunk : D

[plucky quail]

I have a 4070super rn I could do some benchmarks too

[tawny thicket]

as its one of the games that most needed an upgrade for me

[tawny thicket]

so with FSR 4 AA + RT ultra im getting like 40 to 50fps so far

it looks a LOT better than it ever did on my 6600

though reflections are quite smeary
some RR would be nice

[tawny thicket]

FSR Q gets me above 60

mostly

[plucky quail]

Or up the res

[tawny thicket]

thatd make it run worse... and i dont think itd be able to run that

[worn jay]

GJ MEN

keep buying amd men

[tawny thicket]

it was better than buying a 5060 TI lol

cuz its like 20% less than that

[tawny thicket]

PT crashes... but it runs OK-ish overall...

[worn jay]

path tracing?

only game to use RT that is worth is cyberpunk, metro and dying light 2 rest makes low diff

but using RT with 60 class card is still questionable

[tawny thicket]

it actually doesnt run that bad...

1080p high preset FSR 4 AA RT lighting P + RTS + RTR
42 avg
35 1%
34 0.1%

[worn jay]

😭

[tawny thicket]

*THAT

[worn jay]

i would throw that RT in the trash and just use 4k instead, better outcome

[tawny thicket]

if i had a 4K monitor i migh even consider it : )

[tawny thicket]

for me 50fps+ is very playable, and FSR 4 Q looks really good

FSR 4 P is like 3.1 AA in this game lol

[worn jay]

try to use VRS

[tawny thicket]

that always leaves me second guessing wether or not its placebo or it actually looks better

[worn jay]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/ecosystems/vsr.html

[worn jay]

it does i did use it for AC origins, only flaw is u have to use fullscreen instead of borderless

[worn jay]

https://prnt.sc/UG2BhReTfefl

[tawny thicket]

1080p high preset FSR 4 AA [CPU bottlenecked]
87 avg
55 1%
44 0.1%

1440p high preset FSR 4 AA
66 avg
53 1%
46 0.1%

think its a little sharper... but thats it... the thing s that annoy me at native 1080p are still there with VSR 1440p...

[worn jay]

stalker/

[tawny thicket]

dont hold your breath on my benching that

[worn jay]

i was asking if that was stalker cus i didnt play it for a bit

[tawny thicket]

nah... thats cyberpunk...

stalker probably woulndt get me 60fps at 1440p native

[worn jay]

i got 35 fps at prypiat c:

[tawny thicket]

or at 540p either...
cuz CPU

[worn jay]

most optimized GSC game

[tawny thicket]

F-me
1440p was tested with XeAA not FSR 4 AA

optiscaler the ultimate troll...

[tawny thicket]

even less of a difference with FSR 4

whats so funny ?

[worn jay]

optiscaller le troll

[tawny thicket]

i suppose DLSS input with DRS with FSR 4 through opti isnt the best combo

[game crashed]

[tawny thicket]

though i'd think DRS through opti should work..

[tawny thicket]

nope. opti doesnt even have a feature like that : (
oh well... i suppose i'll just stick to UQ or Q for now

that game is like 180GB lol

i dont even know what to guess : )

but first im gonna try satisfactory

[tawny thicket]

so its much better for the most part than XeSS and 3.1/2.1 but its a little wonky with cliffs... which use nanite in that game

by wonky i mean: weirdly blurry ?

Though XeSS and 3.1 have that same issue so IDK

AMD's first (?) RT demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHTqrGwH95s

[tawny thicket]

huh...
so i tried something in cyberpunk and FSR 4 and VSR
at 1080p i was using quality mode, it was good but not the greatest, then i went up to 1440p changed the FSR preset to performance.
and it actually looked better 😎 same ish performance too

[worn jay]

fsr4 is great now

[tawny thicket]

70 1080p Q to 65 1440p FSR P

another interesting thing is that at 1080p FSR 4 was very slightly faster than 3.1
but at 1440p FSR 4 is 0.6-4ms slower...

[worn jay]

yea monitor upgrade looking more saucy after upscaler upgrades rn

4k using dlss 4 perf or fsr 4 perf

will be the angle

[reef pagoda]

Low on 3070?neah.....i have an RX 6600 and i have a mix of medium/epic settings from Benchmark king.The game runs locked at 60 FPS,i would imagine the 3070 should perform at least a bit better than me.

[tawny thicket]

decided to replace VSR with OS (optiscaler feature)

[worn jay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS9qXzzTQiU

[plucky quail]

https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-afterburner-beta-gets-unofficial-radeon-rx-9000-gpu-support

[plucky quail]

Uff that needs a fix

[plucky quail]

https://videocardz.com/newz/possible-amd-radeon-rx-7950-xtx-prototype-spotted-with-massive-triple-slot-and-triple-8-pin-ready-cooler

Man 7990XTX

we had almost gold

[worn jay]

amd shouldve released 9090 XTX

it couldve been a close 5090 competitor, those cards sell for 3000$, so they could sell it for 1000$ easy

if they do not release it next year mid cycle , they are clueless

[plucky quail]

maybe bit more with 24gb on the box. cuz there are no gpus that are between 16 and 32gb

[worn jay]

gddr6 is very cheap compared to ddr7 so they could do it

[tawny thicket]

maybe this is why the 6800 XT was soo much faster than the 9060 XT in the calisto protocol at least with RT

🤔

[worn jay]

its just stutters perf is fine

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrLC0GFpFsQ&t

[worn jay]

6800 xt is just goated

[tawny thicket]

in RT ?

[worn jay]

in raster

rt still beta testing in 2025, not worth

[coarse linden]

Nah they would have priced it 2800

[worn jay]

we already suffer from unoptimized games, rt on top of that is death

[coarse linden]

RT is nice

[worn jay]

rtx remix shadow of chernobyl when

still waiting on morrowind

[coarse linden]

Work in progress last i heard

[tawny thicket]

thankfully there arent so many UE 4 games with RT

[plucky quail]

32GB XD

[worn jay]

jensen; gpus getting too fast, lets invent a feature that eats 95% of ur fps

ft. RT

[tawny thicket]

what is it with AMD and shader compilation stuttering ?
last year there were months where a bunch of games had constant shader compilation stutters

and now... its back !

[plucky quail]

You meanin the summer?

[tawny thicket]

yeah pretty much

[plucky quail]

i think it was 24.7.1 or something

[tawny thicket]

i think it was 24.6 to 24.9

[plucky quail]

Only remember Fortnite having such issue

[plucky quail]

no pretty sure it was just maybe 2 weeks before a update came

[tawny thicket]

AMD 25.7.1 when ?

[plucky quail]

IDK

praying that its not one of the updateless months

[worn jay]

u having some issues or

[plucky quail]

CP77 needs FSR4 support

[tawny thicket]

no. just hopin' theyd fix the UE 4 +RT thing that update

[plucky quail]

its not official rn.
they said you need a Driver update

[coarse linden]

Oh in January Maxwell and Pascal will be dropped from driver support. RIP

[plucky quail]

[coarse linden]

Well its been more or less 10 years since launch

[tawny thicket]

gotta live up to my name

[reef pagoda]

RX 580 came out in 2017,drivers stopped in 2024?

that would be 7 years

[tawny thicket]

nah.. it got dumped to legacy in 2022 i think

and im talking about being dumped to legacy and not being discontinued..

[reef pagoda]

Aha

weird enough RX 5000 was released in 2019 so..........we might see the driver updates for it slow down

exactly 6 years ago on July 7th

[worn jay]

https://x.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1948133964134137886

RX 9070 XT Price Development

Sub 599

[plucky quail]

wow

totally diff to a month ago

[worn jay]

if it was 600$ since launch would be 500$ now if we were in a normal market

[tawny thicket]

Isn't tech epiphany a german site ?

[worn jay]

yes

[tawny thicket]

Cuz in germany 600€ is WAAAAYYY below MSRP

[worn jay]

i thought he was using

pc part picker but everything there looking at it is way overpriced

[tawny thicket]

Its probably mind factory or whatever its called

[worn jay]

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=592

[tawny thicket]

You know the guys that share sale reports all the timw

[worn jay]

yea nvm amd is doing an nvidia move by keeping everything over msrp everywhere beside germany 1 retailer

''look guys its msrp"
600$ 1 stock remaining

[tawny thicket]

besides most of europe* : D

And remember in germany and most of Europe MSRP is NOT 600€

[worn jay]

eager to see Q2 results in market share if 9070 xt outsold nvidia (prolly not) but maybe their best selling launch card yet? could be? cus nvidia doesnt provide any

[tawny thicket]

But 726

[plucky quail]

german MSRP is 690€ keep it in mind

[tawny thicket]

Prebuilts almost exclusively have NVIDIA so NVIDIA no doubt wont loose market share

[tawny thicket]

Though it was 726, cuz VAT is 21% or is it ?

[worn jay]

even diy market is 90% nvidia unfortunately

[tawny thicket]

How could you possibly know that ?

[plucky quail]

19%

[tawny thicket]

Ahh

[plucky quail]

AMD said its 689€ in germany

somehow i cant find a good number on Nvidia without doing your self

[worn jay]

majority ppl that i know, are semi casual will still choose nvidia because it just works
, better for vr, ai, better dlss , people dont care about how much % is better
They just hear "it is better" and opt for it
Reason pre builts buy nvidia is because they know it will sell
If AMD had a competitive product, instead of slashed price -50$ , they would've gotten it instead

especially at the lower end
9060 xt 8 GB = 300$, 5060 8GB = 300$

[plucky quail]

https://x.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1901540251132162341/photo/1 they done it again

[tawny thicket]

Neither of those should exist LMAO

They are both garbage.

[late ferry]

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

[worn jay]

if amd decided to price 9060XT 16GB and price it at 300$
it wouldve maybe turned few heads
they even have the cheaper GDDR so they could but nah

[tawny thicket]

It's already 80 less than the nvidia competitor..

[plucky quail]

I cant imagine someone that is building his own PC buying a 5060

[tawny thicket]

I wouldn't complain cheaper is better of course

[worn jay]

people that are not informed just go to =>filter newest => cheapest
and buy whats available

[plucky quail]

only 50 follar away from a 16gb gpu with 60ti performance

Also german retail showing that people rather buy 9060XT than 60TI or 60