pc-specs

[serene meteor]

I paid 550 euro for mine

[plucky quail]

But i see rn the price dropped even more 514€ from Galaxus.

[hearty belfry]

i think thats still a crazy price. when the 5800x3d came out its was like 400€ ish? with tax

[serene meteor]

yeah is expensive for many even so for me was cheap

i was lucky to pay 200 euro on motherboard X870 Asus Prime i went with a normal board, not ROG BS that you pay more for nothing

i got Asus ROG with Intel a few times, and... i can say is only burn money.

[hearty belfry]

okay so the massive difference seems to be with select games. most of the games have about 10% difference between 9800x3d and 5800x3d with 9070 xt

[solid depot]

are crashes fairly common? over the past 3-4 days I have crashed quite often.

it might just be my gpu as the rest of my pc is solid. I have a R7 9800X3D cpu and a 3060 gpu (I know, serious bottleneck) and buying a new gpu in this market is wild

[hollow kettle]

Do you have 8gb or 12gb vram? And what resolution/texture setting

[solid depot]

12 gb

[hollow kettle]

Hmm idk I played earlier and didn’t have any crash issue but I have Radeon gpu. Maybe it is nvidia driver issue? Did you update to latest?

[solid depot]

Sadly, I haven’t had any issues till recently

[hollow kettle]

I been hearing loads of people having to roll back to way older drivers just to be able to play their games without crashing and black screens etc

[serene meteor]

10% is the lowest i seen, in Stalker 2 i got 20% for average fps for example, and around 30% - 40% at 1% and 0.1% loads. But that with RTX 4080 Super, maybe you get less if the GPU is also bottlenecking. I can say 5800X3D is ok for 9070XT for now. I got the 9800X3D because to me the CPU was the bottleneck for my GPU. If you do not have a GPUs as RTX 5080/4080Super or more, you are fine with 5800X3D for now, the bottleneck is not that big because the GPU is the limit.

[serene meteor]

So is crazy to find the balance in hardware, too much CPU and less GPU not good, too much GPU and less CPU not good, must be the right ones, always. But what i can tell you is that is better to have a potent CPU so you can squeeze all performance from the GPU.

[wheat perch]

Actually you are be able so put a maxed Intel CPU or AMD onto your board and the graphics is even limited to afaik 5090. So whats to do? Idk 😄

[serene meteor]

what ? I did not understand what you said... if you put a 9800X3D last AMD gen CPU with a RTX 5090 is working very well the CPU can handle it. The problem is not to put a 5800X or 12700K with a RTX 5090 because your GPU will not hit the maximum potential.

[hearty belfry]

funny thing: i saw someone use the 7800x3d and rtx 4090, and it was still bottlenecked by the cpu in some games. I think it has to do with the optimization in the end. you can only brute force with performance that much

[serene meteor]

never seen someone saying that CPU can't handle a 4090

[tawny thicket]

i mean, if you render at 1080p
or play PVP games......

[serene meteor]

who in the right mind will buy a 4090 to play at 1080p ? that is beyond stupidity because there will be no difference between a RTX 4070 and a 4090.

[tawny thicket]

i know 🤣
but it can happen

[serene meteor]

i mean... yeah... can be but that is totally overkill for 1080p

[spare coral]

1080p upscaled to 4k

[late ferry]

glembus has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hearty belfry]

i saw a vid where in many games, gpu usage was 80% or lower with the 7800x3d

[serene meteor]

that can also be a game optimization problem, do not means the CPU can't handle because 7800X3D is more than capable for that GPU.

[hearty belfry]

thats what i mean. i think it mostly comes down to optimization really

[serene meteor]

looks like Nvidia fix their drivers fast after people started to rage at them

[hollow kettle]

They actually fixed them?

[tawny thicket]

would be shocking

[coarse linden]

Atleast you dont have to wait half a year for hotfix driver

These shenanigans make Intel look almost competent

[tawny thicket]

meanwhile AMD on the other side of the pond chilling with stable drivers

[coarse linden]

In what universe?

[past escarp]

in our, it seems

[tawny thicket]

This one !

[coarse linden]

Quite the dreamland you got there

Does it come with affordable GPU prices too?

[plucky quail]

Yes

[coarse linden]

Maybe even limitless win10 support?

[plucky quail]

No

[coarse linden]

Win7 Vol2?

[plucky quail]

We have Linux that is now a good os for gaming

[coarse linden]

Oh and next you are going to tell me that you have Elder Scrolls 6 there

[plucky quail]

No but we have a remaster of every single game now

[tawny thicket]

Nuh uh
No dreamland
Just my experience

[plucky quail]

So we can play the good days again

[coarse linden]

I dont know... Better make poll on it

[tawny thicket]

Ugh disgusting

[plucky quail]

[coarse linden]

Embrace your fate poll brothers

[tawny thicket]

[plucky quail]

2020 ducked the hole gaming industry and PC. Postmortem: future is ducked

[hollow kettle]

I had issue with battlefield 1 crashing and stuttering last night. Driver timeout pop up error every time. I showed pcmr server and they immediately say “yea of course AMD always has sht drivers” blah blah making fun of amd drivers and Radeon gpu basically. Literally all it took to fix was running the game dx11 instead of 12 lol they’re just salty about nvidia drivers right now 🤪😂

Nah I joke. I did actually hear nvidia drivers might be fixed now? Idk for sure

Oh also I sold my 4060 for $300 today 🤪

[serene meteor]

To be honest, @coarse linden is right, AMD Radeon and fixing drivers are a long waiting list when comes to hotfix and stuff like that next to Nvidia who always fix their drivers fast. But also we can't compare Nvidia drivers team with AMD Radeon drivers team being much bigger at Nvidia.

But is fine AMD Radeon drivers team got much better than what it was in the past that was a nightmare and even today their reputation reflects those times and people still thinks their drivers are bad and don't buy their cards because of that reason.

[plucky quail]

The DX12 on battlefield is certainly buggy. Can’t say if it’s AMD only since I played it on 2060 and DX11 was always better for fps.
Bf5 RT does not work properly on my XTX all dough I could fix it kinda.

[hollow kettle]

I read a lot of Reddit comments in Radeon sub talking about freeze/crash 100% of the time after playing dx12 for just a few minutes. Also stutters the entire time before it crash.

Soon as I switch to dx11 it was insane difference. Buttery smooth and never crash for 3 conquest matches

So I’m not sure if it is Radeon issue or just the game’s dx12 issue

Or both I guess lol

[plucky quail]

Need to test it with a older card of mine

[solid depot]

I rolled back my graphics driver (nvidia gpu) and im still getting crashes, I have frame gen off to save resources as well

[serene meteor]

what GPU, i am at last Nvidia driver with no issues

[solid depot]

3060 12gb

[plucky quail]

Is it on December driver?

[coarse linden]

Well thats bit strange... Still no new radeons on steam hwsurvey

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 0.27%
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 0.36%
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5080 0.37%

But we do have RX 7800 XT as new addition with 0.27% there

[serene meteor]

Wait for next month survey
Just Wait ™

[coarse linden]

Heh

[tawny thicket]

blame china

[coarse linden]

I blame you for not buying enough cards

[tawny thicket]

trully jebaited

[serene meteor]

The more you buy the more you save

[tawny thicket]

also probably the internal company memo for designing costumer GPU's

[serene meteor]

Idk man to me GPU market is now just a shit hole full of corporate pigs who only wants our money.

You always must buy smart what is the best price/performance and watch out for "rebrands" like what Nvidia did with RTX 50 shit series.

[tawny thicket]

50 series = NVIDIA's 14th gen

[serene meteor]

Something like that also known as stagnation series

You never buy that unless you have very old hardware

[solid depot]

Yes

[plucky quail]

Biggest joke that the 5080 has the Most sales has according to the survey

[coarse linden]

Still not a rebrand

[plucky quail]

Who are the people that buy 5080 for 1500$

[coarse linden]

Kinda yeah. Thing is its not surveying all users so it will take like 6 - 7 months until its somewhat accurate

[plucky quail]

Is 9070XT even on it ?

[coarse linden]

Nope

Not even non XT

[plucky quail]

That’s sad if it stays so. Would make no insensitive to the company’s to change for the next generation

[coarse linden]

It will pop up there in few months

Unless majority of 9070 owners are not steam users

Which would be kinda hilarious

[tawny thicket]

sorry, its a "refresh"

[tawny thicket]

prety dumb TBH

[hollow kettle]

Gigabyte windforce 5070 on Newegg for $604. Not a terrible price I guess

[tawny thicket]

why is the cheapest 5060 TI 8GB as expensive as a 7800 XT ?! 🤣

at least the cheapest 16GB isnt much more expensive

[plucky quail]

The cheapest here is 600€. But all the other cards still cost way over MSRP. I guess really nobody is buying that card

[serene meteor]

same idiots who paid 1500 for RTX 4080 instead of waiting for cheaper RTX 4080 Super at under 999$ 😂

[serene meteor]

"rebrand" a painted RTX 40 series not a 100% rebrand

[plucky quail]

True

[coarse linden]

Yes yes funny meme

[serene meteor]

we live this memes once more is nothing new at Nvidia, they did this many tines, yet people still never learns how to dich this "foolish scams".

[coarse linden]

Pretty sure last time Nvidia pulled rebrand was with 700 series

If we dont count those laptop cards

[serene meteor]

GTX 770 was a rebrand of a GTX 680 for example yeah, also they did many laptops rebrands that we do not know fully but i heard it was full series of laptops with rebranded GPUs

[coarse linden]

800 was just pure rebranding

[serene meteor]

But now RTX 50 series is more like a refresh of RTX 40 series nothing more to be honest, i also blame this refresh series, is more like a money grab but this time people got it and went fully for AMD Radeon 9070/9070XT instead of 5070/5070Ti. And we all know Nvidia don't sell much 5080/5090 cards vs midrange to entry level cards.

[coarse linden]

You know what? You are absolutely right, 50 series is just ada chip with slapped GDDR7. Congrats you figured it out.

[serene meteor]

You do not need to be mad, you just had the bad luck to get the worst Nvidia series in years.
If you feel good i also got RTX 2080, had nothing much vs GTX 1000 series but RT who was a trap worked like shit and nothing else, a bad series just like 50 series.

[coarse linden]

Mad? lol. You are the one that insists blackwell is basically ada chip

[tawny thicket]

He's not wrong though lol

Lackwell is JUST ADA with GDDR7 and better AI cores (which don't change anything)
That's it

[coarse linden]

Sure

[tawny thicket]

[serene meteor]

there is a reson why GDDR7 don't do much when the 50 series GPU chip is more like a refresh than a proper upgrade from 40 series

not to mention Igor's Labs just discover all RTX 50 series cards hotspot is very high and on RTX 5070/5070Ti was far worse even than 5080 measuring 107.3 °C

to fix it you need to apply new thermal pads and paste to each RTX 50 series card you buy.

This is the worst so far this guy found out

[tawny thicket]

Well, G7 + extra cores on each SKU is what brought all the "uplift"

[tawny thicket]

That's brutal

[serene meteor]

Those memories are hot and needs better thermal pads, and pretty much all brands (PNY, ASUS, MSI, PALIT.... etc) use normal pads like they was use for GDDR6X memories witch was running at lower temps than GDDR7.

[coarse linden]

Now you are talking out of your rear again

[serene meteor]

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/igors-lab-uncovers-hotspot-issue-affecting-all-rtx-50-series-gpus-says-it-could-compromise-graphics-card-longevity here's the source

[coarse linden]

Not talking about that

[serene meteor]

What you talking about than ?

[coarse linden]

The pads. It takes you exactly 7 seconds to see what kind of pads each brand use

Well more if you dont know where to look

[serene meteor]

You must be flash to say this 😄

[coarse linden]

Read the bloody whitepaper

[tawny thicket]

#cope

[coarse linden]

No really its honestly interesting what kind of AI bs they come up with

[tawny thicket]

IDGAF ABOUT THOSE GOODER AI CORESX !!

[coarse linden]

Also that they reverted the FP32/INT32 split on SM's

[tawny thicket]

Tbs
They wont effect the average gaming experience on theses cards
And they sure as shit don't bring any uplift

[serene meteor]

This RTX 50 series was a big red flag from the beginning:

1.False 5070 + AI = 4090 performance claims by Jensen
2.Low VRAM relative to compute performance
3.False Blackwell architecture improvements over Ada claimed by Jensen
4.Inflated naming scheme
5.False “great availability” claims by Jensen
6.Fake MSRPs
7.Unavailability of 40 series & complete market disruption
8.Melting 12VHPWR connectors
9.Enforcement of flawed 12VHPWR design for all AIB cards
10.PCI 5.0 stability issues
11.Dropped support for 32bit PhysX
12.Cards with missing ROPs knowingly shipped by Nvidia
13.Removed hot-spot sensor reading
14.Driver issues (VR headsets, HDMI audio…)
15.5090 Astral blowing up
16.Coil whine

And i did not menstion all the problems in details.

I was gonna say something sarcastic, but as usual, idk what is being discussed, and I didn't want to self own. again. but my impulse control is peaking.

[coarse linden]

Sarcasm is art

[tawny thicket]

Let. It. Go.

[serene meteor]

looks around the room, notices the big red button that says do not press me, and runs over and presses it

I am just grateful i can squeeze some more mileage out of my NUC with the RX 9070, in a true 2-slot config

At least 1.5 years you are safe

[tawny thicket]

[serene meteor]

Dont shoot me, i only talk about what others talk about RTX 50 series on hardware forums

And so far nothing good came out of it.

[tawny thicket]

For me the biggest red flag for me when watching the keynote was that jensen didn't say anything about the hardware that wasn't AIB related

Well, besides the 5070 = 4090

[serene meteor]

The keynote to me was.... GTFO Jenson stop laying with fake frames.

[tawny thicket]

[coarse linden]

That was so obvious bs

[serene meteor]

And AI AI AI AI AI.... kille me

[coarse linden]

And idiot who came up with that line probably got fired

Unless it was generated by their AI lol

[serene meteor]

I feelt the same when i got RTX 20 series card and all was... what a pice of shit cards only RT and nothing else, back than even DLSS was a bloody mess on screen a total blur and vaseline how they use to make fun of it. Took them how many years to finally did it right with DLSS 4 transforms version ?

2018 till 2025... only 7 years 😄

[coarse linden]

Imagine that... They improve tech overtime.. My god

Mindblowing truly

[serene meteor]

7 years of blur and vaseline memes 😄

Took AMD Radeon the same, do not worry if you feel bad for Nvidia

[coarse linden]

I mean i remember you blowing that DLSS schlong for years

[serene meteor]

AMD Radeon also needs one more year to be as good as last DLSS 4 version.

[serene meteor]

not my fault nvidia sucks at RT and they need fake frames and upscaling to run it

at least they found a way

[serene meteor]

I am team raedon - affordable will always get my pirated loot, cuz i'm a brokeazz pirate.

[hollow kettle]

I am “team whoever offers the best value on a good product”

[serene meteor]

I am in team i do not give a fluk i can buy anything i want

[hollow kettle]

I just can’t believe the cheapest 16gb 5060ti the other day was $550 and you can get 5070 today $604. Wtf they thinking there

[serene meteor]

But i can't buy melting 5090's no sir that's a no go

[hollow kettle]

I think one of the 9070xt models uses the same connector

[serene meteor]

The connector is fine but 5090 had to use 2 of them connectors to be safe

[hollow kettle]

And I think I remember the 4080 or 4080s using that connector and having melt issue also didn’t it?

[serene meteor]

One connector gets to hot at 575W is already too close to 600W the maximul that connector cand deliver

[serene meteor]

No it was the adaptor Nvidia use for PSUs without that connector build in.

[hollow kettle]

I read that melting occurred mainly due to improper connection by the user and not so much defective connector itself. Idk if that is true though

For 4080/90 ^

[serene meteor]

Only cards who melted even with build in PSUs connectors was 4090 and 5090 because reach 600W, even if you plug them corectly

I have RTX 4080 Super since day one the card was launch and no melting problems, and the card is max out OC 😄

[hollow kettle]

Basically the article was saying if users did not fully seat the connector then it could overheat in 4080 and 4090 regardless of power draw

[past escarp]

well guys, i`ve just discovered that rx 7800xt couldnt handle metro 2033 redux in QHD, full ultra and 4x SSAA

[past escarp]

i mean i only got like 60-70fps

[serene meteor]

Incorrect only on 4090 was the problem, is basic electronic, if the connector max woltage is 600W and you use a card who deliver arond 600W most of the time, that connector will get so hot and will melt in time. With RTX 4080 Super max power is 300W half of that connector maximul power so you safe.

[past escarp]

but 5090s are not safe at all, i guess they should`ve just added second power connector

[hollow kettle]

Yeah but there was still reports of 4080 connector melting too. Just wasn’t a widespread issue like it is now

[serene meteor]

to be safe had to use 2 connectors

[serene meteor]

the problem was not the connector, it was the Nvidia adaptor in the box, was porly made and melted even on 4070/4080s :))

I did not use that adaptor i use a PSU with the special cable for Nvidia new connector buid in, to be safe.

[past escarp]

yes they should`ve. also they shouldve made 5060Ti 12Gb as standard, but here we are

[hollow kettle]

Do you guys think nvidia next Gen GPUs will still have 8gb on the low tier cards? Lol

[plucky quail]

Yes

[hollow kettle]

They better make it 12gb man 😂 they’ll just say gddr7x 8gb = 16gb gddr6 😄

[serene meteor]

Nvidia is so disconnected from gaming industry that they will, idk if i have the word in eng to describe them as greedy fuckers.

[polar mountain]

i might buy a 14600k lowk

bye 7800x3d 🫡

[serene meteor]

But why not 9800X3D why go slow ?

is 18% slower bro - https://youtu.be/EKb8syfv5cc?t=602

[hollow kettle]

I see rumor in Daniel Owen video that 5050 will still have 8gb but only gddr6 or maybe gddr6x. Not gddr7 🧐

And supposedly 5080 super 24GB and 5070 super 18gb using 3gb gddr7 modules will launch next year? That would be cool but who knows. If they do they’ll probably be way more expensive than current non-super models

[serene meteor]

5080 super 24GB can be a defective cut down 5090 chip, but 5070 Super at 18GB sounds fake.

[tawny thicket]

3GB G7 modules might be a thing be the time the third refresh of Ada comes

[polar mountain]

im trying to see something related to "amdip" myth, compared my 7800x3d 9070xt to a friends 12600k ddr4 5080 on bf2042 1440p ultra no rt or upscaling and his capframex graph is much smoother and his lows are the same as mine

[tawny thicket]

Last i checked that only matters when you have you have GPU power monitoring enabled

[polar mountain]

in anything that uses rtss?

[serene meteor]

Idk man i seen a lot of good performance in games from 5800X3D to 9800X3D like a lot and all i play on it runs as smooth as can be with high FPS at 1% and 0.1%. From what i can say your are mostly GPU bottlenecked more like it. Of cores his PC with 5080 vs 9070XT will run smoother, that is a GPU performance differance there. The GPU makes all the differance, the CPU only dose at 1080p at 1440p or 4K you will see less performance differance. If you put that 5080 on your PC with 7800X3D will be even smoother than his system with 12600K and DDR4 his PC is CPU bottlenecked , yours will not be.

[polar mountain]

still bf2042, the only game that uses everything you have....

[serene meteor]

Just a few games will use all your hardware. But that is good, you do not want all your games to run bad early but over years lol

[plucky quail]

I would switch the GPU with your friend and test if it’s time stays same it would make his intel CPU better.

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQbbZ980Sx8

Just another 4090 gone 😦

[serene meteor]

And i say again this cards 4090 and 5090 had to use 2x12VHPWR connectors and not one. Nvidia is legit dumb here and they do not understand basic electronics. I can't find other explanation here.

[past escarp]

Maybe not 2x12vhpwr, but at least 12vhpwr + 8pin

[polar mountain]

hes like 2000+ km away lol but still im seeing some degradation on my 7800x3d and weird behaviour

[plucky quail]

Maybe buy GPU and give it back after install?

[polar mountain]

5080 nah

Too much money to waste, im sure overclocked 9070xt can keep up with a stock 5080

[plucky quail]

No buy it and send it back

no money loss

[polar mountain]

My last 5 orders were the same haha wont risk again 😂

[plucky quail]

Yea ok if you did it that often XD

[serene meteor]

Can but only after you do a bios mode and remove power limits for 9070XT which can lead in very hot temps and probably a dead GPU in time do to higher temps. So no, can't keep up without it with a RTX 5080.

[spare coral]

You can only do it once

[serene meteor]

A store in Germany reveled their sells numbers of GPUs
RX 9070 XT => 355
RTX 5060 Ti => 140
RTX 5080 => 135
RTX 5070 Ti => 105
RTX 5070 => 100
RTX 5090 => 60

And they are germans and they can afford them, imagine in other countries where 9070XT is selling even better, AMD scored with this card big time.

[hollow kettle]

I really don’t feel like steam hardware survey is very accurate anymore but idk. Maybe it is. I never have had the chance to fill it out. And there is almost no Radeon gpu on there. It’s all old gpu or gpu you’d find in prebuilt. The number one is now freakin 4060 laptop 😂

Not saying just cuz I haven’t seen the survey means it isn’t accurate..just that I wonder how many gamers actually get that survey to fill out. Everyone I talk to online claims to have much better gpu than what is in the top results of survey lol

[past escarp]

Well i filled it out several times

[spare coral]

I filled out mine last week

[tawny thicket]

i've filled it out about a year ago
i know its a small portion that gets the prompt

they really should just include EVERYONE in the survey though

[hollow kettle]

Yeah idk why it isn’t every steam user

I’ve had steam almost a decade now and never once got the survey lol and I use it every day. I want it too!! xD

[serene meteor]

Because never was, that survey seen intel integrate GPUs for years and show intel HD Graphics as a very use GPU which is a total lie and nobody use it, just as an example why Steam Survey is a fake pozitive to consider it.

[hollow kettle]

We need a massive real survey to find out this info just to fulfill my curiosity 🤪

[serene meteor]

Only sells can tell you the truth.

[plucky quail]

We have same MSRPs and the € is pretty much same.

[hollow kettle]

Freesync feels so bad unless my fps is like 100+. Feels super choppy anything lower. It’s much smoother if I just keep 180hz set in games I can’t get 100+ fps. Am I using freesync wrong or something ?

[spare coral]

Hmm mine is super smooth even if im below 100fps but the last monitor i had also gave me a choppy experience with freesync on anything below 100 frames so dunno might be the monitor

[serene meteor]

So do mine works very well and smooth no problems maybe you did not set it right

[hollow kettle]

Well if I don’t have freesync then my monitor is staying 180hz. With freesync that means refresh rate drops to 60hz if I’m at 60fps…60hz refresh is TRASH 😂

Idc what anyone says I can tell massive difference it feels so choppy at 60hz - 90hz. Only when it gets above 100hz I can’t really tell much difference

[coarse linden]

As i recall everyone gets survey atleast 1 or 2 times per year

Some might get 5 its kinda random

[polar mountain]

ive got freesync premium pro and it feels fine even at 40-50fps

[hollow kettle]

My monitor was only like $250 so maybe it is just cheap quality

[ebon surge]

I just got me a 1080p that was roughly in that price range and I find it fantastic.

Just gotta find the right brand tbh.

180hz too.

[hollow kettle]

I have Acer Nitro 27” 1440p 180hz

[ebon surge]

Ah, I've never been a fan of Acer.

I have an ASUS 1080p 180hz gaming monitor.

Forgot the name.

[hollow kettle]

I’m just not sure what the point of freesync is like I don’t see a difference other than it looks/feels worse at lower fps compare to if I just keep it 180hz

[ebon surge]

G-Sync is the way to go, that's the option I was recommended and it hasn't been a bad choice thus far.

[hollow kettle]

Isn’t g sync only for nvidia ?

[ebon surge]

Yeah, which is unfortunate really.

'Cause I was thinking of switching to an AMD GPU.

[coarse linden]

Eliminate tearing

[hollow kettle]

Yeah I have Radeon but even before with my 4060 g sync felt crappy also in same way freesync does. Idk I think it is just me noticing the lower refresh rate. Felt like I set windows to 60hz or 75hz lol

But when fps is high enough then it feels fine. So I don’t use it in majority of games

Wait can you use it with frame Gen?

[ebon surge]

I don't know about that one, I personally don't use frame gen.

[hollow kettle]

I like Max graphics so frame Gen is great for me to get up there to my refresh rate

[coarse linden]

Input lag is just abysmal with framegen tbf

[ebon surge]

Usually I'm able to get at least 100+ FPS in most games, and I lower games like STALKER for example to 60 FPS so I never had the need for frame gen.

Besides, I think DLSS is a better option for a last ditch effort for frames.

[hollow kettle]

If rtss monitoring is accurate, even with FG on I never have above 20ms input latency

Usually 8-12ms with anti lag 2 on

[coarse linden]

Its like playing with vsync which is awful

But hey thats just me and years of cs 1.6

[hollow kettle]

I only play single player or coop PvE games so even if I did notice Input latency it wouldn’t even bother me

[hollow kettle]

That ruins image quality a bit though

[ebon surge]

Honestly, a single player game unless it's fast paced or you're playing on a high difficulty you don't need much above 60 FPS.

[coarse linden]

But era without gsync and freesync was also kinda abysmal since all these 144hz monitors sucked royally because image tearing

[hollow kettle]

It’s all subjective in that regard. Especially with this game for me it runs awful at 60 fps. I have to play with FG on

[ebon surge]

Key word need.

[hollow kettle]

I can’t stand to play normal 60fps anymore

[ebon surge]

That's understandable.

I got used to high frame rates too, but I'm trying to go down a little to get used to it.

For me the only reason I liked high frames was mouse responsiveness and smoothness.

[hollow kettle]

I’m not going down unless my hardware force me to 🤪

[ebon surge]

To each their own lad.

[coarse linden]

Nvidia should really crap out that gsync pulsar already

Supposedly integrated on mediatek chip so it shouldnt add 100 - 200 on monitor price

[ebon surge]

I'll have to check that out, haven't heard of Pulsar yet.

[coarse linden]

Announce it last year in january

[ebon surge]

Ah, I was busy slaving away at my retail store making a buck or two to hear it lmao.

[coarse linden]

lol

Went from gsync monitor to freesync and just been disappointed.. Dedicated hardware solution just seems to be the winning way. But i aint paying 200 extra for that

[tawny thicket]

Freesync ?
Yeah.

[tawny thicket]

I thought i saw a techquicky (LTT) video that said that G sync works for everyone

Im probably wrong

[coarse linden]

Heh... Sweeney already started to talk about UE 6

"Not all the Unreal Engine 5 features are actually available in Fortnite, because some of them we haven't figured out or haven't gotten to the point where we can deploy them to all seven platforms in a platform-independent way. "

Kinda comical

Goal of UE 6 is apparently multithreading so in away they just admit ue 5 is screwed

[spare coral]

UE5 Bros... its so over

[tawny thicket]

STFU lil' bozo (referring to sweeney)

make your shit work first

[coarse linden]

But its fundementally broken so only way to fix it is make new product

[tawny thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/threat-interactive-optimization-optimize-unreal-engine-ue4-gif-18219894813206068623

[wheat perch]

the new nvidia driver is crap for me, stalker 2 stalls constantly so I rolled back to previous version. also to mention the rate of crashes caused by memory violation are increasing enormous

[polar mountain]

freesync premium pro 😉 just as good imo

[past escarp]

so ue5 is so bad, that its easier for them to make a new engine(not from a scratch, but still new engine) then to fix ue5

also maybe ue6 will work with more then 16 threads?

[ebon surge]

I knew UE5 was bad when I saw what it did to one of my favorite games (Warbox).

Went from stable frames to god awful performance.

I know Devs mainly play a role in optimization, but it seems every game I play with UE5 performs worse overall and is riddled with bugs, frame drops, and crashing.

And I hardly see any visual improvement, other than a few lighting tricks.

[spare coral]

Luckily didnt have any problem with Clair Obscur and the performance is good enough for an UE5 title that uses lumen etc

I hope S2 reaches that lvl of performance in future patches (copium)

[past escarp]

nuh uh

[spare coral]

😭

[serene meteor]

I found out how to make UE5 to work well, you don't play UE5 games

[hollow kettle]

Wait ue5 doesn’t work with more than 16 threads?

[past escarp]

i think so

[hollow kettle]

You mean it only can utilize up to 16 threads?

[past escarp]

at least as far as i know - s2 doesnt work with >16

[hollow kettle]

I have 20 threads

[tawny thicket]

perfect.
4 threads for win dowes and 16 for game

[hollow kettle]

Adrenalin shows my monitor is not freesync supported. But in my monitor settings I can set freesync and it works 🤔

[tawny thicket]

the only 2 games i play and have switched to UE 5 from 4 have had a massive transformation visually

one of those 2 was satisfactory which is probably the **most **optimized UE 5 game currently out (this game went from UE 4.26 to UE 5.3)
every envirement looks at least 5 times better in this game than the UE 4 version shadows and textuers also got improved
and lighting CAN also be night and day better
there was a performance cost to the upgrade, nothing crazy though (as long as you dont use lumen)
and the game NEVER crashes for me and a lot of people i know
TBF before the last version of the game before the engine upgrade was still in early access so who know how much more could have been improved with the UE 4 version

[hollow kettle]

Hogwarts legacy is ue4 and that game looks so ass for me on Max graphics. I see videos of it looking decent but man idk it looks like a ps4 game on ultra for me

[tawny thicket]

the other was ARK (went from UE 4.5 to 5.2)
on the lowest **preset **it performs about the same as the UE 4 version at the highest settings
but it still looks much better (probably the best looking game to date)
however the game is unplayable for all 8GB (AMD) GPU's (at all settings)
and it crashes a LOT for most NVIDIA GPU users it seems much better on the AMD side but that could just be reporting bias (less people use AMD)
its not MUCH worse than the UE 4 version optimization wise, the looks justify the performance loss IMO (however for PVP players that means jackshit)

[prime kindle]

Is an rtx 3060 laptop gonna b enough

?

[tawny thicket]

for this game ?
nope.

[prime kindle]

And a 4060…

?

[hollow kettle]

I figured out why freesync say not supported in Adrenalin. Well, I disabled it all then enabled in monitor OSD, enabled VRR in windows then Adrenalin show freesync enabled 😄 maybe that’s why it was looking crappy before? Who knows

[tawny thicket]

laptop ?
no

[hollow kettle]

It will run on 3060 laptop at least there is YouTube video of a guy benchmarking with one. On low at 1080p with dlss quality + FG he has 91 fps in lesser zone…so uh it’ll run but it will not look/feel good at all lol

I guess if you drop dlss to balanced or performance it would maybe get more than 60 fps but at 1080p man that will look awful

Idk why I just spent $60 on a controller when I just spent $100 on new mouse & keyboard last week

[coarse linden]

I mean technically its up to developer but simulation and game logic are on 1 core

[hollow kettle]

Wow this controller feels really good so far. I like this thing

[polar mountain]

aliexpress mnk peak

[hollow kettle]

I never purchased any item from that site lol feels like I will be scammed

[plucky quail]

Maybe you can turn it on?

[spare coral]

I bought a couple of items
You just have to check the sellers that actually have reviews (tons of them) and good score
Tho each package took 2 months (buts that because the customs in my country sucks)

[polar mountain]

Its fine brev, i trust aliexpress more than ebay or even the stores in my country haha, bought a 36gram mouse for 30 euros and works perfectly fine

[hollow kettle]

Yeah I had to turn it on in monitor OSD first
Then turn on Variable Refresh Rate in windows
Then it enabled freesync in Adrenalin :D

[hollow kettle]

I honestly just look for sales/deals on Amazon sometimes Newegg xD only because I can get prime shipping so stuff usually gets here in a day or two. It is very nice. I got this razer basilisk v3 pro for $20 and Royal kludge RK96 keyboard with their brand of yellow switches for $65. Now I just got gamesir cyclone 2 controller for $50. I think those are pretty decent deals and I know I’ll always get it within 2 days :D

[polar mountain]

Yeah but the actually good mice, you can only get them from aliexpress, along with decent keyboard pcbs and cases and switches etc

Most of my orders deliver within 2-3 weeks from china

[hollow kettle]

I am too impatient to wait 2-3 weeks after I pay I want it now! 😂

[tawny thicket]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/104975/amd-working-on-porting-rdna-4-upscaling-to-3-graphics-cards-says-rumor/index.html

[plucky quail]

Chefs Kiss AMD if they do it.

[plucky quail]

https://youtu.be/QKjKMsEVBIU?si=P1_wR71M4PP1sC-s

Rip to the people that bought the 8gb

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQRLujxTm3c

[hollow kettle]

I heard even if they are able to get it to work on older Gen cards it won’t be the same due to the limited (or none) AI cores in older cards. Idk how true it is. But it makes sense since fsr4 is ML algorithm

[plucky quail]

They can make it work with same quality buy you prob gonna have less fps much less or make a DLSS 3 type FSR. Like getting around that range.

[hollow kettle]

They may as well make fsr 3.2 or something for older gpu atp. Idk I’m not hating I hope everyone can use good tech but it just seems kinda unrealistic to expect it to work on older hardware imo. I hope it does though

I’m going to look for fsr 4 frame Gen compare to fsr 3. Haven’t seen any video covering that yet

[tawny thicket]

there is no FSR 4 FG

[hollow kettle]

It says there is in my adrenalin

It says enabling fsr 3 FG with fsr 4 toggle on overrides upscaler and uses updated FG

[tawny thicket]

you must be missinterpreting
there is no FSR 4 FG otherwise AMD would be shouting about it from the rooftops

[hollow kettle]

Oh yeah I guess it just says 3.1 FG

[plucky quail]

7000 can do it 100% and prob gonna be much easier to do. But 6000 has low hopes. I mean they could make a really slight better FSR that is just there to make the image more stable

[hollow kettle]

I just ordered a new AOC monitor. 27” 1440p 180hz HDR 1000 with freesync premium pro

Only $280!

It is VA panel but mini LED 560 nits in SDR 1000 nits HDR. 98.5% DCI-P3 color gamut. Pretty sick for $280 VA

[coarse linden]

Q27G3XMN?

[polar mountain]

how many dimming zones

[hollow kettle]

Yeah that one
& @polar mountain I think it said 360 dimming zones

[coarse linden]

Tbf kinda useless with so little zones but hey if deal was good why not

[plucky quail]

Gonna wait till there is a good oled or Micro led

[polar mountain]

not enough zones

[coarse linden]

I was eyeing that monitor for while but then xiaomi came with its 1000 zone monitor that is crippled by inability to update firmware

That was also like 200e cheaper

Cant be arsed to play retailer lottery with firmware on that xiaomi so ill just stick to what i have

[polar mountain]

dont get the xiaomi, a friend tried it and it was completely crap

[coarse linden]

I mean if you could update the firmware that fixes most of the issues it would be quite good for its price

But since you are forced to play moronic lottery with retailers in hopes they just happen to have fresh shipment with latest firmware its just pointless

Unless you really love to send the monitor back constantly until retailer tells you to shove it

[hollow kettle]

The reviews are good for it I think it is great for the price

The only negative that was brought up is slight tone mapping issues

I was going to try switching from windows 11 to Linux but I found out Adrenalin doesn’t even work on Linux so what’s the point

I think this AOC will be infinitely better than this Acer I currently have. And only $30 more. I spent $250 on this stupid acer a couple months ago. It is okay for SDR but definitely seems like it has ghosting issues and the HDR is not even usable.

[real kraken]

And me with an old 1080p 60hz BenQ old from 2013...

[coarse linden]

And abysmal VRR flicker

[serene meteor]

I have a 1600 nits HDR gaming monitor and i still play without it in SDR most of the time, because HDR is just a joke when most of the things are made in SDR, from games to movies, to youtube and all.

[polar mountain]

7800x3d died this morning lmao

[tawny thicket]

WTH
https://gpuopen.com/learn/using_neural_networks_for_geometric_representation/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=lsnif

[serene meteor]

AMD is doing more Nvidia exposure for lying about neuronal technology working only on RTX 50 series ? 😂

You must take a tone of COPIUM to believe all Nvidia is saying.

[serene meteor]

RIP 🕯️

[plucky quail]

Sadly many do sometimes yt recommends some gpu compression with a meme.
I see so many people under let’s say 5070 vs 6800xt and in the comments there is always a guy with many likes that says now with mfg.

But there are also the 4080 super vs 5070ti.

People can’t taste bad product they always defend Nvidia like it’s their family member.

[serene meteor]

Poor people... COPIUM is real.

If id did not had RTX 4080 Super and i do not have to upgrade my GPU, i for sure going with 9070 XT this time and not with RTX 50 series, after all the problems that series have.

[plucky quail]

Friend of mine has a 4070 and he downloaded newest driver. I think you know where it’s going XD

[serene meteor]

He got problems ? I must be lucky i did not had any problems with the last driver.

I found out my monitor with HDR on is getting so hot the display must hit like 80C or so, is very hot is like playing with a over in front of your face

And i heard many gaming monitors have this problem with HDR on the monitor is getting hotter because is using more power than SDR on, much more power lol

[plucky quail]

No that’s a week ago I think that was before the new hotfix

[tawny thicket]

hardest thing is making people aware

[tawny thicket]

"their entire identity would collapse if they bought an AMD card or skipped a gen, please be considerate" -some guy, a few days ago

[serene meteor]

Imagine paying for a RTX 5070Ti (a card who had to be 5060 Ti) a full price of a RTX 4080 back in the day when it was $1200 (the definition of crazy)

[polar mountain]

Literally what i did just to test it for 2-3 weeks

[serene meteor]

And what you found out ? The card was slower than a cheaper RTX 4080 Super sold at under $1000 later on. What Nvidia did with RTX 50 series is pure craziness.

[polar mountain]

Thats why i bought the 9070xt for 680 euros a week after i returned the 5070ti

[serene meteor]

Smart man 👍

[coarse linden]

Imagine paying anything above MSRP

[serene meteor]

We all know you buy directly from Nvidia and not from retails stores with inflate prices. The benefit of being an Nvidia fan.

[coarse linden]

Talking out of your rear again i see

[serene meteor]

I mean we all pay inflate prices for GPUs but not you. You must be special.

[coarse linden]

You buy what you can get and i buy what i want

And if i cant get what i want i dont buy it. Quite simple

[serene meteor]

And what has with what i said ? That do not means you buy under MSRP when all is above it in stores 100% here in EU. Only buying directly from Nvidia you can get MSRP price.

[coarse linden]

Maybe in your country

[serene meteor]

When you got your card was inflate priced all over the EU. Nvidia cut the prices a bit after AMD 9070XT start to sell better than 5070Ti.

[coarse linden]

Retailers sell first batch of cards at MSRP because its sponsored by Nvidia/AIB. So really you have few minutes to snatch that elusive MSRP card

Or have retailer screw up and make offering live day before official sell time starts

[serene meteor]

Prove it than show us a price tag.

I have low hopes in trusting anyone with this one.

[coarse linden]

I mean you didnt believe when i send you picture of that rtx 3080 so why would you believe now

[serene meteor]

Sorry me i do not trust internet.

[coarse linden]

So there is no point really

[serene meteor]

So you can't prove it really

[coarse linden]

I can

[serene meteor]

Ok do it

[coarse linden]

I mean if anyone else is interested sure

To you there is no point since you dont believe it either way

[serene meteor]

I never seen a MSRP or under MSRP GPU for years. How can i believe tell me ?

[coarse linden]

Thats not really my issue

[serene meteor]

Well i will not believe you. Case close.

[coarse linden]

And before you lose it MSRP nvidia gives is without tax

[serene meteor]

Oke. So you must be special like i said.

[coarse linden]

So to EU its MSRP + tax

[serene meteor]

No... no ... you said MSRP that means the price Nvidia said no taxes, you just admit it you paid over the MSRP Nvidia set it.

[coarse linden]

Man sometimes you are just a moron

[serene meteor]

And how we know our retailers even extra more over prices already inflate with taxes

[coarse linden]

Use math.. Its not that hard

[serene meteor]

That is MSRP, learn what is MSRP. MSRP + Taxes is not MSRP. We never pay MSRP here in EU because of retail taxes and extra costs. You just contradict for nothing.

When i see Nvidia, AMD or Intel saying MSRP price is this, i always calculate taxes and extra cost retailers always add over MSRP price. So when somebody tells me he got it at MSRP i am like... i you sure about that ? Because i always know he is confuse there.

[coarse linden]

Maybe murica should start announce prices with tax so you wouldnt get confused

[serene meteor]

Maybe is time to learn what is MSRP and stop being a moron sometimes.

[serene meteor]

[coarse linden]

Eh hes just bored so just passing time

[serene meteor]

I forgot i got a mission to do in Stalker 2...

[coarse linden]

Sure you do. Why else would you hit me up on 2 discords

[serene meteor]

Because i like you

[coarse linden]

I love you too

[serene meteor]

[real kraken]

Guys, this channel is pcmasterrace subreddit

[tawny thicket]

im interested :)))))

[tawny thicket]

last time i checked every single RX 7000 card is below MSRP in my region

[real kraken]

Got RX 7800xt bellow msrp

480 buck

[real kraken]

Yes

[tawny thicket]

okay, well
the 7800 XT is technically 5 euros above US MSRP

[coarse linden]

Eh send DM

[tawny thicket]

though, it IS 135€ below what it would be with local MSRP

[tawny thicket]

thx
proof enough to me 😎

[serene meteor]

Not at launch they cut down prices to survive Nvidia's RTX 40 series.

[tawny thicket]

[coarse linden]

Old gen cards being sold under MSRP.. Shocking

Wait it actually is since Nvidia quit doing that since GTX 10 series

[serene meteor]

If AMD will give us a 9800XT or 9900XT to beat RTX 5080/5090 we going to see under MSRP Nvidia cards too

[coarse linden]

Wont happen

[tawny thicket]

AMD got skawed

[serene meteor]

I know, just dreaming here

[coarse linden]

Dream on your own time

[tawny thicket]

[polar mountain]

Anyone know when are we getting waterblocks for 9070 series? Or if there is anyone doing custom orders?

[wooden rapids]

Alphacool

[polar mountain]

Only for taichi currently

[hollow kettle]

I just got off work and my new monitor was delivered :D

[hollow kettle]

Apparently there is bunch of nvidia cards under Msrp in Europe according to that gamer meld channel on YouTube. He showed some sites that had them listed in stock but they were msrp + VAT or whatever it is called. Nvidia sent out an announcement about the price drops 🤷‍♂️

People still ain’t buying them over there allegedly

[plucky quail]

👍🏼 Yup i can confirm. We have really many of the 50 series card (most 5070) that dont get bought.
People here are saying no to Nvidia but on the other hand i cant get a 9070XT even near MSRP

[hollow kettle]

Should I use local dimming in SDR?

[flat brook]

I was looking at a 5070 for 590€ but it’s a straight downgrade over my 4070Ti-Super

[coarse linden]

Still screwed pricing here with AMD where XT is "only" about 60€ cheaper to 5070 Ti

[serene meteor]

How can you buy a 5070Ti who had to be a 5060Ti (conform of what techmedia said) at price of a RTX 4080 Super. Come one, that is crazy.

GPU market in general went crazy with prices and looks like will not drop down ever again.

[tawny thicket]

we've been here before i think

[coarse linden]

I mean thanks to TMSC being forced to make its chips in murica now and future prices will increase lol

[serene meteor]

They took our GPUs....

[coarse linden]

Since its 33% more expensive to make in the great murica which will reflect into product prices just like wafer prices

[serene meteor]

Time to other hobby

the stone thrown into the water

[coarse linden]

And add on top of that smaller node that is also lot more expensive

So no. Prices of future GPUs will not come down

[tawny thicket]

im pretty sure that wont actually end up happening

[serene meteor]

what will going to happen is people will buy less and less and they will be force to lower the prices

[serene meteor]

In Doom Dark Ages RTX 4080 Super and 9070XT beats RTX 5080 https://youtu.be/Zlzatw1E2vQ?t=579 Oh dear lord...

[polar mountain]

Bought 9800x3d

Ill try to sell the replacement unit that im getting from warranty

40% faster than 7800x3d in stalker

[polar mountain]

Nvm thats with 4090 or 5090 iirc

[serene meteor]

I told you this CPU is crazy fast in gaming. Is like i have a new PC in total even with the same GPU from 5800X3D to 9800X3D. Double the performance in most of the games, even more in some.

[past escarp]

so your saying that 5070ti that exists now was planned to be 5060ti or what?

[serene meteor]

is not me who says this is people like Gamers Nexus who say it and he's right. If you look in the past, only cards using 256 bit was XX60 cards and XX70 cards was XX80 cut down versions, but since 40 series we did not get a real RTX XX70 or XX80 card. We only got XX60 cards dress as XX70 and XX80's and the real XX80 was name in RTX XX90.

This is how Nvidia fool us for generations now. And i am a victim too, RTX 4080 Super is as well a RTX XX60 card same as RTX 5070Ti and RTX 5080. My last real RTX XX80 card was RTX 3080 who was a 3090 cut down version. Where is the cutdown version of 4090 or 5090, the real 4080 and 5080 ? There is none, Nvidia only sell RTX XX60 cards to us.

[tawny thicket]

https://www.amd.com/en/products/graphics/technologies/fidelityfx/supported-games.html#tabs-ab87f43a0c-item-e0753f72ea-tab

37 FSR 4 games i guess

[plucky quail]

The cheapest XT is 770€ and msrp in Germany is 690€
But also the ti are 1000€ least so you will not find it cheaper.

[plucky quail]

Is that game with rt?

[tawny thicket]

yeup

[plucky quail]

So forced RT

[tawny thicket]

yup

[plucky quail]

Thats really bad, 4080 Super is slower?

[tawny thicket]

its a bit different on the TPU chart

[plucky quail]

TPU Chart?

[tawny thicket]

Techpowerup

[plucky quail]

How diff?

[tawny thicket]

Well, the 50 series isn't slower than the 40 series on those charts
And the 9070 XT is slower than the 4080 on those benches

[tawny thicket]

NVM
I lied
The 5080 is slower than the 4080 there too at 1080p, at 4K the 5080 is fatter

But the 9070 XT IS slower than the 5080

[serene meteor]

Is strange no ? So you can't even trust tests when comes to real gameplay in games. You go pay more for a RTX 5080 to be slower in a game like new Doom than RTX 4080 Super or 9070XT.

[polar mountain]

Now i have to change motherboard too, ive got asrock b850m pro rs

[tawny thicket]

blame the NVIDIA Lackwell driver bug

[serene meteor]

They got a lot of problems with RTX 50 series and drivers, is like this specific architecture don't have any love for Nvidia drivers and refuse to work well.

[hollow kettle]

This AOC monitor looks so freaking good compared to my Acer. Even SDR is so bright and colorful. I played helldivers 2 and battlefront 2 in HDR with local dimming set to strong. It looks incredible

[past escarp]

give me the name plz

[polar mountain]

E46>5090

[tawny thicket]

i swear i did not type this

[hollow kettle]

AOC Q27G3XMN
It’s just a budget mini led monitor nothing crazy. But the difference compared to my Acer Nitro KG271U N3bmiipx is crazy to me

[past escarp]

well

in my country its 400$

[hollow kettle]

Dang it was $280 for me on Amazon 😅

[past escarp]

i`ve bought mine for abt 200$, idk how much it does it cost at amazon

my monitor - samsung LS27CG550EIXCI

[hollow kettle]

There is Xiaomi g pro 27i I hear is decent price in Europe if that’s where you are. Another good one (based on review videos monitor unboxed) cooler master tempest GP27Q

[hollow kettle]

Is mini led?

[past escarp]

europe, but not europian union

[past escarp]

nuh uh, just led va

[hollow kettle]

Ahh those two I mention are mini led :D

[past escarp]

well... another 400$.... second one is 800$

[hollow kettle]

They might have been going off euro price

[past escarp]

maybe, but in ukraine we have terrible price for abt anything

[hollow kettle]

If only micro center opened internationally or at least would ship internationally

Now that I found out one opened up only a couple hours away from me I am definitely planning for a trip by the end of the year. Maybe around December or January next year

[serene meteor]

So my 9800X3D is now over 2 months of running OC at 5325 MHz with PBO -30 all cores. The specialists said if your CPU do not get damaged in first month of OC will never get damage. But i must say i do not have ASRock board but Asus. So all safe here with OC. Tested myself.

[plucky quail]

Nice but no matter if it’s oc or not intel will degrade

[serene meteor]

A friend went from 14700K to 9800X3D and got 100 FPS more in COD MW, i do not play this game but this is what he told me at 1440p. So yeah...

[hollow kettle]

Ain’t no way

I do not believe they got +100 fps from that cpu change lol

Someone random told me there was update to fsr3. It is now 3.1.4? Anyone else hear this?

[plucky quail]

Last was 3.1.3 but that was 4 days ago I checked. Maybe today came a new one ?

[plucky quail]

I mean I can imagine on a cpu limited game with 400fps already that he gets 100fps more especially with AMD and Activision being partners

[tawny thicket]

yeah, 3.1.4
its supossed to improve disoclusion fizzle over 3.1

[hollow kettle]

Nice for games that don’t have fsr 4 yet :D

[tawny thicket]

its not huge at all
its just a minor improvement

[plucky quail]

Yea but the Fizzle is a big downside on FSR3.1 so its huge deal if its good.

[tawny thicket]

i know,
but it doesnt solve the much bigger problem of ailiasing and shimmering : (

[past escarp]

im back fellas

my windows just died because it just decided to

[cunning crow]

I might be the craziest mf alive
Stalker 2 on a 1660 Super Vanilla

It works and runs at 50-80 frames on a good day
Texture artifacts are abundant but they disappear at a decent rate and I got some purty good screenshots

hopefully the 3070 Im getting can hold up better

[serene meteor]

3070 for it will

[ocean yew]

you'd be suprised...

the games also heavily dependent on your cpu btw

[austere rose]

How? My 2060 barely worked at 60+- fps on everything low with no frame gen. Sometimes i had drops to 5 fps that lasted for severalminutes. Is it really so heavily relying on cpu? Cuz i have 9600k

[ocean yew]

it does yeah

[plucky quail]

Don’t think so a 3080 with 10gb would be better

[coarse linden]

Theres almost always something that is better but if budget doesnt have leeway it is what it is

[plucky quail]

You would spend on something that also doesn’t fully work

[coarse linden]

I mean if starting point is 1660 anything is upgrade at that point

[gaunt prawn]

what resolution? I got pretty bad performance on my 3070 for 1440p and upgraded to a 3080ti for the game, it runs well enough now but might be held back by my 5800x

[cunning crow]

Im getting a handmedown, im not buying a gpu im too broke 😭

[tawny thicket]

eve a 6600 : )

[coarse linden]

Anything

[tawny thicket]

RX 580 ?

[coarse linden]

I mean thats just obsolete

[serene meteor]

We found out there was a RTX Titan ADA for RTX 40 series who was like 20% faster than 4090 if was launch at probably $6K 🤣😂

[tawny thicket]

so 4090 TI but more expensive ? nice.

(4090 TI = 5090)

[serene meteor]

Nvidia probably is having now a GPU 20 times more faster than 5090 in their hands testing it but is set for later years to be launch, they have prototypes we do not even dream of it, they can work even 10 years at a architecture

[coarse linden]

Congrats, you just realized how R&D works

[hollow kettle]

I think this Jedi Survivor is the most beautiful looking game I have played on my new monitor so far

[serene meteor]

Now imagine people hoping for AMD to beat Nvidia GPUs... when they just quit competing at high end level.

[serene meteor]

You got OLED ?

[hollow kettle]

only Mini LED

But it is still massive improvement over the Acer nitro I have been using

[serene meteor]

Good, i also got QD Mini LED 1600 nits very bright vs OLED who is so dark it makes a Jedi game look like a Sith game 😄

[hollow kettle]

Mine is 1150 nits but for the price I think it is incredibly good purchase

[serene meteor]

You play with HDR ?

[hollow kettle]

Honestly though with strong local dimming + hdr it does get a bit dark depending on image. But I think that is just mainly games with not so good hdr implementation. Jedi survivor looks so bright and colorful but also very good shadows

[hollow kettle]

Only in games that have in game settings support for HDR

In SDR I lower local dimming to medium and crank brightness to max 560 nits and it looks very very good still

[serene meteor]

Man playing with HDR make my panel burn vs SDR but is looking grate only when is working well because most of the stuff is made in SDR sadly

I think is hiting like 80 - 90c 😄

[hollow kettle]

I wonder if OptiScaler work for Jedi survivor since it only has fsr2

Oh also if I am using freesync premium pro should I enable vsync in game also? I don’t think so right?

[serene meteor]

You can use DLSS Swapper and change FSR 2 to FSR 3.1.4

[hollow kettle]

I have 9070 so I should be able to use fsr4 as long as this game is directx12

[serene meteor]

FSR 4 do not works with Nvidia cards

[hollow kettle]

I have 9070! lol

[serene meteor]

I know, for me for example do not work

[hollow kettle]

Ohh sorry I misunderstood

[serene meteor]

I am stuck with FSR in that game if can't use DLSS

[hollow kettle]

I think it will work I checked rtss osd and it says D3D12

[serene meteor]

I know in Dead Space remake only FSR was working

[hollow kettle]

But the game is running so good already with native 1440p idk if I want to try OptiScaler. It cause crashes more than I like

[serene meteor]

I know that game was working bad with stuttering and stuff like that looks like they fix it

[hollow kettle]

I wish stalker 2 had HDR settings in game. I also tried with cyberpunk but idk..it felt so bad. Lost all smoothness somehow. I was getting 130-150 fps with FG on and FSR4 but it just felt terrible. Like I couldn’t stand to play it

I play over 300 hours of that game and never felt like that before

Maybe bright SDR with some local dimming will make stalker look even better

[tawny thicket]

NO

you cant do that

[serene meteor]

is working for me with Nvidia in many games from FSR 1 - 2 to 3.1.4 what do you mean is not working ?

Like GTA 5 remake from FSR 1 to 3.1.4 working very well

[serene meteor]

I find HDR good in few games the rest looks washout because the games are made in SDR and they use poor HDR settings.

And other games has to many HDR settings and i do not know how to set them to look good, is a waste of time so i quit on using HDR i use SDR with good brigthness and standard local diming and all looks good.

Also my panel use 8 bit, 10 bit or 8 bit with dithering, i leave it on 8 bit the colors looks more colourful than 10 bit or 8 bit with dithering (witch is also 10 bit lookalike).

[coarse linden]

It ships with 3.1 tho

[hollow kettle]

My Acer has 8 bit with dithering but this Mini led has 10 bit or 8 bit. I think Adrenalin can even set 6 bit. But I swap between 10 and 8 and I seriously didn’t see any difference I don’t think. Maybe slightly less washed out at desktop with 8 bit

[coarse linden]

Generally point is to get rid of color banding

[serene meteor]

did anyone else get huge memory leaks when using TAA?

[serene meteor]

I find 8 bit more colourful than 10 bit but can by my eyes idk.

[tawny thicket]

FSR 1.0-3.0 just dont have a DLL to swap

if a game has FSR 2.0 you cant upgrade it to FSR 3.1.4

[polar mountain]

To me 8 bit and 12 bit look the same on oled

[tawny thicket]

only 3.1./4.0 have it

[hollow kettle]

Yeah Jedi survivor definitely got better with its optimization. At max settings with RT at native 1440p I’m getting 60-80 fps.
Gpu utilization 93-98%
CPU 81%

Rare occasion that I play a game that actually fully utilizes my components without bottlenecking lol

And temps are still really good. Gpu hotspot 65 vram temp 78
CPU 68 C

[plucky quail]

Yea the game was made just after all the updates good. Nice that its now in a much better place. Gonna buy this next sale

[hollow kettle]

I got it on gamepass to try but I think I’m going to buy both Jedi games on steam. Think i will install the old republic also

Didn’t realize how many good Star Wars games there are these days. I even purchased outlaws 😂

[plucky quail]

Did you play Star wars republic commando? Such a good starwars game

[hollow kettle]

Yes I had that game on original Xbox iirc. I also really loved bounty Hunter

[hollow kettle]

I just pre installed doom dark ages and I paid $31 for premium edition upgrade on game pass so I get to play early and got all dlc. Also came with digital artbook/soundtrack I installed freaking 17gb lol almost 1/3 the size of the game 😂

Hardware unboxed benchmarks for this game are crazy. 9070 gets same fps at 5080 in 1080p. 7900xtx is third best only behind 4090/5090. Pretty crazy considering it is some type of nvidia sponsored rtx title lol

[coarse linden]

Not too surprising. idtech always been running good for amd

[coarse linden]

Do hope amd manages to get FSR 4 working on Vulkan sometime this year

[serene meteor]

And why do care about it so much having 5070Ti ? Or it was a way to tell it "hey look FSR 4 do not works with Vulkan" ?

I was looking at new Doom game price on Blizzard, is 80 or 100 Euro. Insane price for a single player game.

[coarse linden]

Oh im not allowed to care for the potential vendor of my future card?

Now that they got their head out of their rear somewhat and pushed out actually viable card?

[plucky quail]

Still waiting for steam os so my friend can finally switch form this god awful os they call windows

[hollow kettle]

Get pc game pass and you can play it day one

Then just cancel subscription if you don’t want it after you play. If you never had game pass before you can maybe even get it at a discount

Game pass is honestly becoming such a very good deal

[serene meteor]

Is not that is just i tend to get a game, start it now and finish it over 2-3 months 😄

[hollow kettle]

Wow all this time stalker 2 does have HDR settings

[polar mountain]

hdr isnt good on stalker2 unless you use mods

[hollow kettle]

Yeah it doesn’t look too great. And idk if it is due to optiscaler or what but there is now ghosting a bit and camera motion looks jittery

I have overdrive set to medium maybe I should try adjusting it

Nope I found the issue. Memory leak. Nice way to start the game after not playing for month or so 👍

Instant 99% memory usage and frozen game.

[gray osprey]

hello, my cpu is at 95 degrees celsius on average for this game but for other games it doesnt do that. i have an i 7 12700 and a gtx 5070ti, is this game making my computer an industrial oven?

My cpu cooler is bequiet rock 4

[hollow kettle]

Have you set your fan curve or is it just on auto or whatever? I would turn it up if you can

[gray osprey]

probably auto. i can change this setting in the bios right?

[hollow kettle]

Yeah I believe so. I know i also have msi center I can use to override fan curves if I want to. But bios also has the same options. I have AIO though never owned air cpu cooler. If your brand doesn’t have any software to control it then just try bios

[past escarp]

It seems that i've turned off limit for cpu power consumption and in cod its eating 107W now(65W previously - ryzen 7 7700). And my fans are blowing like a storm

[late ferry]

the_adas_official has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gray osprey]

nooo sorry wolf im just american

[gray osprey]

I wish i could install AIO but im just afraid of botching the installation or having no improvement

[hollow kettle]

I didn’t install my AIO but from what I know they are pretty easy and straightforward. It isn’t like a custom loop where you ever have to mess with liquid or anything after installation

You just screw it in, plug it in and bam. Done I think lol

[gray osprey]

yeah im reading too much into the forums. thanks for the encouragment though

[hollow kettle]

A good Air cooler is honestly probably better or at least just as good in the long run though. As long as you aren’t getting insanely high temps. I do really like this AIO though even in the most demanding of games my cpu temp never goes above 70 C. And even that high is rare

I have i5-13600KF power draw while gaming is usually 100-125w

Only 87 minutes until Doom Dark Ages!! I am so excited to play

[gray osprey]

How much u getting for stalker? My only issue is stalker while every other game even rdr2 is below 85

[hollow kettle]

60-70 Celsius usually

I don’t think it has ever been more than that. Well, during shader install actually it gets in mid 70s but not during actual play time

Even in Cinebench & 3dMark it never goes above 70-75

[gray osprey]

Which aio pump did u get? Im just dreading of taking out my air cooler which was so hard to lock in

My game is at 75 celcius after loading in after i set my fans to full speed. @hollow kettle u are my savior thank youuuu

[hollow kettle]

I just have the IBuyPower 240mm AIO that came in the last prebuilt I got. I upgraded the rest and kept cpu, AIO & motherboard lol

Glad you got it cooled down though :D

Now it is DARK AGES TIME 🙏

[coarse linden]

Arctic does cheap AIOs that been getting good reviews for while

But really should just pick one with longest warranty

[hollow kettle]

Holy fck dude this doom game is so badass!

[hollow kettle]

I was just playing for 4 hours straight on Doom zero issues very smooth and just enabled fsr frame Gen to try it

My entire computer froze up instantly like I can’t even pull up task manager windows key doesn’t do anything 😭

[real kraken]

Welcome to frame generation era

[hollow kettle]

I played those 4 hours straight zero issues smooth as silk. I restarted and then within 5 minutes I got driver timeout error. I lowered my UV from -80 to -70 will see if that helps

Actually, helldivers 2 has content update so looks like I’ll be playing tht only for awhile :D

[tawny thicket]

with weapon custumization too : )

[hollow kettle]

The squids are still so annoying to fight lol they are cooler and more intense but dang same 3 mission types only gets old quick

[dapper onyx]

So, my Stalker 2 is using only ~5gb out of 6gb of VRAM (in Slag Heap), lowest settings, but somehow the VRAM leak FPS Drop still happens, did I do something wrong? RTX 3060 Laptop

[spare coral]

Nah, the game has a ton of memory leaks and 6gb is barely enough for this game thanks to it

[dapper onyx]

So, even when VRAM isn't maxed, there's stuff already being shoved into Sys RAM, hence 'leak'? Dang

[spare coral]

Yeah my Sys RAM is basically maxed since a couple of patches ago
I have 10 gb of vram and it hovers around 8gb of usage but my ram is always maxed after playing for a couple of minutes

[tawny thicket]

I expected nothing less 🙂
BTW, are there also new enemies ?

Cuz i have seen the weapon customization

It seems neat
But im pissed cuz the devs still haven't fixed their TAA : (

[hollow kettle]

The illuminate invade again and they have 3 new units. And yes they are so freaking annoying to Fight 😂

[hollow kettle]

Verify game files and restart computer when that happens. Usually it helps, sometimes it doesn’t

[dapper onyx]

Thanks, tried that earlier. Removed some additional Engine.ini lines to help, but 'leak' still occurs sometimes

[hollow kettle]

Yeah it will never go away until they fix it. Just gotta keep doing any steps you can to fix it when it does happen. That’s all I can say sadly

[plucky quail]

You need 8minimum and even then you should play it for long duration only with low settings

[tawny thicket]

i finally got around to playing it again
and yeah, those new troops are a menace

especially that big fat guy

[hollow kettle]

Yeah screw that crap I just rage quit 😂

Tired of getting half brain dead random teammates lol gonna play some red dead 2 and chill out

[flat brook]

Steam and your OS reserve around 900-1000MB VRAM combined, at 5GB usage you are essentially maxed out, as S2 cannot touch the last GB

[hoary copper]

Wowie an update

[cunning crow]

an update thank GOD!!
please optimize more

[clever kindle]

My 4090 has 24 gigs of VRAM and it still slowly runs out of all its memory after a few hours of gaming.

[plucky quail]

GUYS Performance update! Yes

[uneven portal]

same shit

no vram 46 fps whit a 4080 on zalisia

[serene meteor]

what CPU do you have ?

[uneven portal]

i7 13

[plucky quail]

[hollow kettle]

Performance supposedly got a little worse in exchange for working A life

[uneven portal]

yea, but 10 fps -¿

[serene meteor]

That is truly weird to get such low FPS with a 4080 and i7 13 series

[uneven portal]

i dont use frame gen or dlss

[hollow kettle]

Yeah I get more fps than that with all epic native 1440p on 9070 + i5-13600kf

[uneven portal]

35 fps on my brother computer whit a 4070ti

[serene meteor]

Even so, you can't drop lower than 80 - 90 FPS

[uneven portal]

on zalisia?

[hollow kettle]

I get 60-70 fps all max native 1440

Everywhere no drops. Well, maybe after today patch

[uneven portal]

this patch was a downgrade to my frames

[hollow kettle]

If I do lose fps I’ll just turn on fsr4 quality instead of native

I can’t tell much of a difference between the two anyway in this game

[uneven portal]

ok....

[hollow kettle]

Plus frame Gen as long as base fps at 50+ it will feel real good

[plucky quail]

still compiling shaders....

[uneven portal]

is the same day on the office

[hollow kettle]

Not even joking it just compiled my shaders in less than 3 seconds

I play not even full 120 seconds and immediately 99% memory usage. Memory leak I can’t play…no matter what I do it happens if I load my save

[tawny thicket]

have you tried clearing them ?

[plucky quail]

Its done but it reset my Settings so i compiled longer

[serene meteor]

Will a Pentium 4 with a GeForce 6600 be okay

[wheat perch]

hard pass

[tawny thicket]

troll or genuine question ?

[serene meteor]

#📸┃screens_and_videos

[serene meteor]

I posted the rig

[red terrace]

I'm getting CTD whenever I start Stalker 2 on gamepass now after the patch

[red terrace]

Uninstalling all mods solved the issue.

I only had Flashlight mod and console enabler installed, and Console enabler was removed. So I'm guessing that's the issue

[serene meteor]

Same here in 3-4 mins the game crash with memory system at 99%. This is crazy so many people gets this problem the game is unplayable.

Fix the fuking game !!! 😅

[hollow kettle]

Well, my save is down the drain I guess. Can’t play at all grid verifying & repairing files 5 times now. Memory leak freeze my entire computer within minutes of opening the save

100 hours poof gone

[serene meteor]

Don't you have them in your cloud ?

[hollow kettle]

Not even that can’t even start a new game either.

[hollow kettle]

My save file still there. Just can’t play the game without it freezing my computer with 99% ram usage

Tried new game also and same thing. Before I could verify files and it fix it every time. Not now

[serene meteor]

I test it now and same for me, is crashing. But my save files are fine.

[hollow kettle]

Where can I submit feedback or bug report thing

[serene meteor]

https://support.stalker2.com/hc/en-us

[hollow kettle]

Thanks I just submit request

Now I guess I will try kcd2 since they released dlc today

[spare coral]

Verifying the files never fixed those problems for me but its sad that it stopped working for other people

I tried installing the game again and my ram got maxed in a couple of minutes
Ill reinstall the game in a couple of months to test it again lol

[serene meteor]

I will delete it, the game is busted, same problem, i did try a few things and not working, still max my memory system to 99% and game freezes, sad they can't fix this problem. And the game did not had this problem for me before, this is got worse after last patches.

[silver forum]

savegame in my case is ok, but stutter is coming back. Also using scopes destroy my fps, 1.3 is butter smooth now not so much

[serene meteor]

Found Nvidia Overlay is crashing the game, with Nvidia Overlay off the game works lol.
What a hole.

[ocean yew]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-westbrook-nba-okc-thunder-what-huh-gif-5070054

[serene meteor]

That's what I'm using

[ocean yew]

your using a geforce 6600?

[hoary copper]

Wowie performance just got worse. Anyways I'm off to bed

[hollow kettle]

No more memory leak for you now? I don’t have anything active in Adrenalin. Only RTSS OSD in afterburner

Well, hopefully they see the support request I submitted about this issue. I know there is more than just a couple of us getting this. This is the worst issue I ever experienced in any game. With issue before at least I could fix them..

[past escarp]

so the new update just made optimisation worse?

[reef jacinth]

No, they also broke all but one of the modloader tools and hid the only important weapon stat from the UI

[past escarp]

sounds like a great update

[reef jacinth]

Knocked it out the park on this one

[coarse linden]

I mean its not really their job to make sure 3rd party stuff works when they update

So how many of you nuked the "optimization config" from appdata when removing mods?

[serene meteor]

whats wrong with a 6600

[hollow kettle]

I’m trying to play the game again. This time I force quit afterburner & rtss. See if I still get instant memory leak crash

Well, I got to play for about 7 minutes this time before it froze. Idk what to do man

[coarse linden]

Can always try nuking stalker2 in appdata

Resets your configs etc

[hollow kettle]

Okay so I spawned in and immediately ran fast as I could from Brain Scorcher to Malachite and so far so good..I guess it is just that area? Idk it’s been about 10 minutes or so now and no crash. Hopefully it is fixed

[coarse linden]

Can you take pic showing which area?

Testing purposes

[hollow kettle]

I am far away now I don’t want to go back and get crash again

I was at brain scorcher up on a watchtower that has an anomaly you can jump down into to cushion your fall directly beside it

If I jumped down and went to the side objective for “In the Name of Science” to buy the collar from the exosuit dudes there it crash. If I go opposite way, it plays fine

[coarse linden]

Map with cursor pointing area would be fine

[hollow kettle]

Wow foliage pop in is WAY worse now

Like it isn’t even just missing leaves/branches on trees now..if I zoom in I can see literal entire trees materialize out of thin air..

[heavy grove]

Bruh

I said I was going to start a new playthrough after this patch, but I don't know anymore lmao

[hollow kettle]

And now the grass is doing the same weird fuzzy noisy thing that oblivion remaster does with fsr4

[heavy grove]

Based on what I am seeing people say about it

Maybe I will wait more

[hollow kettle]

I will say I just had a pack of bloodsuckers ambush me and it felt much much better. Combat is 100% improved. Feels great imo. And npc do seem to be more alive

There is just a lot of technical/visual stuff going on that makes things feel a bit off. Like I shouldn’t have any of the pop in or noisy textures when I’m running everything epic at native 1440p…

But if you can look past that then it definitely feels more fun in general imho

Just be careful of memory leak it hits you out of nowhere lol seems to be only certain areas

[coarse linden]

For me fps is tad more stable

NPC's spawning next to you dont nuke it as before

[hollow kettle]

Yeah definitely not as many stutters now. Actually I don’t think I had any stutter at all so far

[coarse linden]

Still wish they would fix that... Very annoying

[hollow kettle]

Oh wait yeah I did when I got to malachite but it was just
Microstutter for a second

Used to I would have real bad stutters and fps drops as I traverse through settlements. Gonna try going through rostok on my way to this mission to see how it performs

I also tweaked my HDR settings just a bit in game and now it still isn’t the best especially in the blacks, but it does look better than SDR for sure. I like this monitor a lot

[serene meteor]

It can be done.

[wheat perch]

So u r running around pixel wise?

[serene meteor]

Theoretically, you could up the graphical memory by modding the card bios and replacing the physical chips on them, and triple or quad SLing them, then really, and I mean, really diving into the programming to minimize resources. I mean, we got half life 2 in 04, and all things considered it was a little ahead of it's time. Turn down polygon count, reduce animation, tick speed, path finding, view distance, render range, shadows, etc etc etc

I mean really, there's a lot of stuff you can do that could make this game run as minimally as possible that being said, I think it was @pure ibex That said there might me some actual hardware restriction that the game wouldn't even be able to be run on an older CPU due to some hardware reason that's part of unreal

[wheat perch]

Maybe but I dont get the idea behind this. Is your PC so much outdated that you have no other card available or was this a question in general?

[serene meteor]

Half trolling half not. I certainly do have a good PC to play stalker on. Although, I find it fun to see what the minimum spec i can truly get away with playing on.

I have a ton of computers.

I've been using fallout 4 as a test spec for years and I've been able to run it on some insanely low hardware

[coarse linden]

Certain instruction set that old cpu's lack

[serene meteor]

Yes, that thank you

To be honest, it would probably be easier to just remake the entire stalker 2 game in SoC as a mod, but it would certainly be able to be run on a 6600 then with some SLIs.

[wheat perch]

I remember times, when my video card was a Hercules Stingray with 1MB and a Voodoo 3DFX accerelator with 4MB, first SLI combo ever. Was around 95 or so

[faint tinsel]

So after few months is this playable in 4gb vram gpu's with performance mods?

[serene meteor]

That's awesome. I'm a little younger but I kept a lot of the hardware I had growing up, my first card was an FX 5700 ultra from gainward, which I still have.

128 MB.

[wheat perch]

I got it still into my cellar, beside of a Matrox Mystique with 2MB and this cards has the speciality of an open memory slot and you were be able to buy 2MB separately to put the small brick into the card. That was fun

[serene meteor]

Actually I think my first card was an MSI card, fx5700 something

[serene meteor]

I find it funny how fast computers are now to be honest, we used to be very patient waiting for things to load on an old IDE HDD.

[wheat perch]

In older times the publishers had created games and you as user had to blow up your system, if you want to play it proper. Crysis was a very popular example of that

[pure ibex]

CPUs with out avx can’t run the game at all

[serene meteor]

Funny you say that, I actually specifically put together what the nicest PC of 2008 would be, core2 extreme 9770 with a GTX 285 2gb and 16 gigs of DDR2 ram to play crysis on, and it runs stupid well.

[serene meteor]

What's avx again? Sorry I'm kinda stupid when it comes to stuff like that

Thats x86 instructions though IIRC

[wheat perch]

I dont remember exactly me PC specs from that, but for sure it was one of the rare AMD bricks 1000Mhz, insane expensive...

[serene meteor]

Yeah the amd 2x card i think was the card to have back then

Two gpu processors in a single card. I considered that, but I wanted to go with Nvidia for that build.

Very proud of the motherboard I got, EP45 extreme. Can't even find one on eBay anymore. Hard to find DDR2 boards with 16gb DDR2 support.

The HD4870x2 @wheat perch

Or the 3870x2

I can't recall which one was 2008 specific

[wheat perch]

As far as I remember this, this was an ABIT board...but dont nail me onto the further specs

[serene meteor]

Yeah those used to be top of the line iirc

Wonder what happened to them? Haven't heard that name in a long ass time.

They used to be super innovative

Oh wow, yeah they stopped making mobos in 2009

[wheat perch]

yeah

Last ABIT for me was the AN7, which had the north- and southbrigde issue, where one of the condensators were corrupt and that was caused by a limp charge of them

[serene meteor]

They couldn't compete with the taiwanese based companies it seems who really did take over the computer industry in the mid to late 2000s.

[serene meteor]

Oh shit that's the Nvidia chipset one right

[wheat perch]

Yeah, I received within the warranty in total 3 boards and all 3 of them had sooner or later this issue, which causes an endless bootloop at power up

[serene meteor]

That was a cool mobo if you managed to get a non-dud / revisioned one

Yeah... Only board I genuinely had problems with and I have 3 hanging on my wall were the gigabyte EP45-UD3Ps, constant bootloop issues and known for self-shorting their ram channels

I just gave up and got the 45 extreme after getting tired of dealing with those.

Although, surprisingly, y'know what I expected to die and never did? The maxtor IDE hard drive in my dell clamshell computer, first computer I ever had

[wheat perch]

Here I ran 5 1/4" floppys first^^

[serene meteor]

75,000 hours and it's still working. I have no idea how, or why, because that's nearly 9 years of total run time

I got into a car accident while I was transporting it too, and it went out the window, I found it, it skidded across some concrete and it somehow was still fine. I'm convinced it's a golden drive.

Damn thing won't die

Because it was during the years maxtor had big drive failure problems, it should have died long long ago

[wheat perch]

I was possessing a big tower that times and a 15" tube monitor. At the mid of the 90s, when some games were playable within LAN, such parties were very popular. But man, that constant reloading in and out of the car sux

When you have had a bigger flat or condo, you were automatically doomed for sharing your home space for that

[serene meteor]

Hahah! A 15" tube monitor must have been a real asspain to load and unload. I remember my dad having one a long time ago

[wheat perch]

You bet

[serene meteor]

As much as I love period accurate hardware, I just port all my PCs to my main monitor now... I don't miss those chunky monitors that weighed a ton.

[wheat perch]

Later as 17" were more affordable, the pain increases

[serene meteor]

Even my TV out video card build has been ported to HDMI

[wheat perch]

Actually, I had owned a CRT monitor with 22" and sold it last year for an insane price, but this was a film maker and he stated, that CRTs are still the flagships, so it was worth it for him

[serene meteor]

I quite literally remember going to Fry's with my dad and having to lug his stupid monitor up the stairs to his apartment a long long time ago

[wheat perch]

Man, that thing had a weight around 50kg

[serene meteor]

Yup, he still has his 22 sony in the attic which I'm afraid will come crashing through the roof someday

[wheat perch]

and Im sitting 3rd floor w/o elevator^^

[serene meteor]

Man, if there's one thing I'm thankful for with new hardware it's how lightweight things are now

[wheat perch]

true

[serene meteor]

...aside from graphics cards but.

[wheat perch]

I rate it insane to spend 3k for a card

even it is last call and edition

[serene meteor]

I skip every 2 generations for cards to be honest

[wheat perch]

me too

my build is from 2019 or so

[serene meteor]

Got a 3090, so I skipped the 40 and 50 series, I'll upgrade again when the 60 series drops. I did get a 4090 build though, but surprisingly, I use it less.

Playing stalker 2, I really can't even tell the difference between a 4090 and a clocked to shit on liquid cooling 3090 founders

It's like maybe a 10 frame difference and at that point I just don't care

[wheat perch]

as already said Im using a 2070 super and be fine with it. More details or few fps are welcome, but not an absolute must to play the game as it was meant

[serene meteor]

^ yeah im not a big graphics snob and most of the games I play don't even warrant full card usage

To be honest with you, I still play on a 180hz 1080p monitor, I don't even like ultra high res because I don't like having to struggle to find my mouse on the screen or find a detail while playing whatever game

I also don't like ultra wide monitors where I have to make my eyes go separate directions to see the entire screen 😂

[wheat perch]

Meanwhile I use a 27" display for gaming and this is a 240hz refresher. My laptop is more hi-end with a 360hz refresh display, but the hardware are more advanced compared to my PC

[high quarry]

I went 1070 -> 3070 -> 7800 XT -> 9070 XT

[pure ibex]

It’s an x86 instruction set

It was added starting with the 2nd gen i7

[serene meteor]

So the only route would infact be remaking the game in SoC

[pure ibex]

Any cpu with out avx is far too slow to run stalker 2

Except for maybe one exception

[gaunt prawn]

Should I get 5950x or 5800x3d? 🤔

[serene meteor]

The 4004 right

[pure ibex]

No the evga sr-2

[serene meteor]

So a dual xenon?

[pure ibex]

Yah the fastest thing you could use that doesn’t have avx

[serene meteor]

So once again the best option is quite literally to just use SoC assets in it's own engine and remake the game

[pure ibex]

5800x3d is no longer in production

But you could get a 5700x3d

[pure ibex]

Waste of time the number of people who are still on a pc with no avx is nearly zero

[serene meteor]

:'(

I can dream

[real kraken]

Depend of your goal and what you do with your pc

[gaunt prawn]

That must be why it's so damn expensive

[pure ibex]

Yah they charge more than 7800x3d

[gaunt prawn]

I want to keep all options open so I will probably go with 5950x

How does 5900xt compare with 5950x?

[real kraken]

Or just get 5900x

Why do you need 16 core?

[pure ibex]

If your planning on just gaming

Get the 5700x3d

[real kraken]

It's way cheaper than 5950x

[pure ibex]

It’s the same cpu just clocked slightly lower

[gaunt prawn]

To run stalker 2 better

[pure ibex]

You want the 3d then

[real kraken]

S2 d'ont use 16 core

Just get 5800x/5900x or the X3D version

[gaunt prawn]

But what if I am doing important computer work in the future? I would want non 3d

[real kraken]

After all you do what you want, but just a wast of money

[gaunt prawn]

How many cores does it use, I already have a 5800x

[pure ibex]

8

[real kraken]

Bruh, d'ont upgrade to that bro

[pure ibex]

I mean upgrading to the x3d is worth it

That’s a pretty massive leap in performance

[real kraken]

Just to get a few core, you paying hundred of dollars.

And almost all software and games will not use 16cor

[real kraken]

Depending why you are doing,

For exemple me I use for coding/gaming/dev with Unreal engine and rendering

So the X3D will be slower in productivity

[gaunt prawn]

🤔 but if I was to get an x3d id want the best one 5800x3d rather than 5700x3d

[pure ibex]

You pay 150 to 200 dollars more

Than a 5700x3d

[real kraken]

What you do with you pc?

[pure ibex]

For 5 percent

The 5800x3d atm costs more than a 7800x3d

A much faster and better cpu

It’s simply not worth it

[gaunt prawn]

Why did they take it out of production

[serene meteor]

Because we don't deserve it

[real kraken]

Bcz AM5

[pure ibex]

They used up all the remaining cpu dies they had

And when they ran out

They stopped selling them

[real kraken]

But I will answer in one sentences :

Productivity : 5900x, 5950x

Gaming : X3D

If you choose on of them the opposite will be slower

[pure ibex]

The 5700x3d is a slightly lower tier die which they had far more of

[serene meteor]

I'm on a 5900x with a 3090 and very rarely ever pass 60% utilization when gaming

[pure ibex]

Cpu bottleneck moment

[real kraken]

Nop

[serene meteor]

Maybe but eh

[pure ibex]

Swapped my 3090 for a 9070 xt

[real kraken]

The bottleneck will be invisible

[pure ibex]

No…..?

[serene meteor]

Can clock the shit out of both tbh

[pure ibex]

You can easily see them with afterburner

[serene meteor]

It seems to be a very small bottleneck

[real kraken]

Bro there came out both in 2020, you know what is 5900x?

5900x can be very good for 3090/4070 super

Depending what your limite of cpu bottleneck, there is always one, and it is invisible.

[serene meteor]

But that's also on base clocks of both, I have a founders 3090 and both cpu and gpu are on a cooling loop so it's not very hard to make the bottleneck disappear

[pure ibex]

You can literally look at cpu use vs gpu use

🤨

[real kraken]

You will gaine a 1/2 fps in gpu games

[pure ibex]

If your gpu is unable to reach full usage

Your being limited by cpu almost always

Unless the game is just extremely unoptimized

[real kraken]

Like S2

[serene meteor]

Man I really wish I could post screenshots here because I'd just hop on stalker right now and show y'all lmao

[real kraken]

But the 5900x is perfectly fine with every 3000 series

[pure ibex]

Idk man when I swapped my 10900k which is about on par

With my 7950x3d

I saw huge fps boosts in some games

[real kraken]

5900x is like I7 11th Gen

[pure ibex]

That’s exactly the same

Rocket lake cpus are like 7 percent faster than comet lake

[real kraken]

You compared an 500 dollars cpu with a 200 $, d'ont compared that is not comparable

Also you get the X3D boost so you can't compared

[pure ibex]

How is that not a fair comparison

The cpu made my 3090 run games a lot better

[real kraken]

Compared the 5900x with 7950X3D bro...

[pure ibex]

Yah

You could also get a 7800x3d

And it would be even better lol

[real kraken]

Yes? Like every new cpu and technology that came out

[pure ibex]

So that just proves my point correct then

[real kraken]

So it's not bottleneck, it's just better performance in your cpu oriented games

[pure ibex]

That’s literally what a bottleneck is

💀

My cpu is some how limiting gpu performance

That’s a cpu bottleneck

[real kraken]

Saying that a cpu bottleneck a gpu is a shit sentences that is not used properly

According to you, you will always get a bottleneck

[serene meteor]

Welp game is crashing soo guess i gotta reinstall

[real kraken]

Because you d'ont have the last gen

[pure ibex]

Well no there is a point where you could pair a cpu fast enough with a gpu to remove any possible limitation

But that’s unrealistic

[real kraken]

Yes but saying that 5900x will bottleneck 3090, you say that if you d'ont have the last Gen you will have bottleneck

But you will always get a bottleneck, physics law

[pure ibex]

I think we’re just arguing semantics im simply saying getting a cpu with v cache will boost performance a fair amount in a lot of games

A 5700x3d is fairly cheap

[real kraken]

Yes

[pure ibex]

262 dollars

[real kraken]

I got my 5800x at 150€, during sales, I choose the 5800x because It was way cheaper

If 5700X3D was at the same prices I will definitely go with X3D, but it was at 260€, way more expensive that 5800x

I was in 3600X so in any ways, it was an upgrade for me

[high quarry]

Zen 2 -> Zen 3 is a significant jump

We are starting to hear some Zen 7 rumours, about x3D, and the 3D cache being per CCX instead of the entire CCD.

This is probably for 2027 though.

[real kraken]

I will just skipped AM5, and go for AM6, I'm 16yo so when I will have a real job I will afford an AM6 PC

[polar mountain]

9800x3d is really good, almost doubled my lows in stalker compared to my old 7800x3d

[high quarry]

I went from 5800x3D to 9800x3D, so it was a significant jump in all my CPU limited games

[coarse linden]

Id wager AM5 will be around for a while. AMD is not too big on constant socket changes

I think 9800x3D is tad overpriced

[crisp latch]

does nvidia overlay keep impacting performance on the game?

[coarse linden]

As i recall its caused by filters/photo mod and as i recall they havent fixed that

[hollow kettle]

@crisp latch