pc-specs

[wooden rapids]

oof

[dry quartz]

wdym, I want to try

[pure ibex]

Well I Hate to break it to you but none of that is happening

[plucky quail]

Who said that it can’t be modded

[pure ibex]

The sdk not being released

That’s who said

[tawny thicket]

the SDK of what ?

[hollow kettle]

Space marine 2 is so good on my 9070 😍

[plucky quail]

You don’t need a sdk for it it’s jus easier

[pure ibex]

Your gonna mod in a full fledged building system into stalker 2

Ight

I’ll wait

I’d love to see that

[plucky quail]

Not full fledged. But a really simple one. Putting game probs around your “base”.

And to be fair kids don’t care if it’s a good mod.

[late ferry]

bouncyboises has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[pure ibex]

[ocean yew]

So I managed to oc and undervolt my 7800xt a lot over (lower in the voltage…) the base. Is there anything risky with it being how it is, aside from just crashing. But so far it is stable.

The oc clocks are what it actually gets to ingame without trouble. The voltage and wattage are just taken straight from what it’s set to.

Base boost clock 2430 -> 2800
Memory speed 2438 -> 2634 + fast timings
Voltage 1250 -> 1035
Power limit 258~ -> +5

[hollow kettle]

Anyone familiar with Intel cpu I am wondering since I don’t have Z series mobo for OC, I noticed a setting “p ratio apply mode” (also same thing for E cores)

It was set to All Core but would it maybe be beneficial to set to Turbo Ratio instead? At least for P cores?

[hollow kettle]

XP is coming so slow now I been 24 for like a week or so now lol

[wooden rapids]

Which Socket are we on?

[hollow kettle]

I think raptor lake 1700? I have B760 motherboard with 13600kf

[wooden rapids]

Bruh… I’m sorry I don’t have any experience with B series board

[hollow kettle]

I’m not trying to OC just trying to understand some bios settings for cpu stuff really. But it is all good. I plan to get another motherboard but not until I’m ready to upgrade to me cpu also

[polar mountain]

chatgpt

and then reddit for a detailed step by step guide for undervolting, b series can do that

[past escarp]

has it given you any performance boost in games?

[ocean yew]

haven't properly tested it in a game along with the stock settings. but it should be a pretty decent increase.

[past escarp]

like 10%?

[ocean yew]

cant say forsure. in theory though it should be around that and help minimize fps drops

will test it now

[late ferry]

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

What guys I can’t hate AMD

I have no idea why I can’t say anything about AMD!!!

[past escarp]

please, add a "no" option

[tawny thicket]

what were you trying to say ?

[late ferry]

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

Yea if that is bad word then f*ck me

5*0$ + 8gb = S-cam

OMG i did it somehow

on G*DDR6

[tawny thicket]

scam

HA
i didnt get wolf'd

[tawny thicket]

the mods probably blocked the phrase "50€" cuz of all those dumb scams

well
the phrase above just with a $ instead of €

[tawny thicket]

i disagree
i think thats OK
not great not terrible

[past escarp]

Nuh uh, thats terrible

[plucky quail]

Least they should make the GRE 16 and the XT 12.
Did we all forget how good the 12Gb 3060 sold?

[past escarp]

totally agree with that. xx60 (nvidia/amd or whatever) should be at least 12Gb, xx70 16Gb

[serene meteor]

RTX 5000 series is a total POS and Nvidia lied as much as they can to sell some POS cards.

AMD sold more 9070/9070XT cards in the meantime

[hollow kettle]

I’m installing stalker gamma. This is a lot more complicated than I thought it would be lol

[spare coral]

Im so sorry to hear that hope you get better and get rid of gamma later on

[plucky quail]

Sad that gamma is still better then S2

You gonna have so much fun

[hollow kettle]

It’s all installed now trying to set up graphic settings but they are kinda confusing lol

Daniel Owen video in watching showing videocardz site claiming 5060ti 16gb is 5% faster than 9070 non XT in OpenCL geekbench 6 whatever that is

lol yea right. 5070 ain’t even beating 9070

[polar mountain]

move to chernobyl irl and start exploring at night

[hollow kettle]

128-bit memory bus with 16gb vram..

Is that still not ideal even with gddr7?

I think it is still not a good thing. But idk anything about gddr7 either

[coarse linden]

Its synthetic benchmark. Doesnt really translate into gaming performance

5070 does beat 9070 on it so wouldnt be too hard to believe so will 5060ti

[hollow kettle]

what does that benchmark test for if not gaming performance?

[coarse linden]

Compute power, image processing etc

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV-XNdn5_t4

WoW that was fast

[hollow kettle]

I finally got purple name xD

[past escarp]

nooooo

[coarse linden]

Pff overrated

[past escarp]

absolutely. being a plum is overrated

[hollow kettle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/0vt3ZTIYDt

“Devs making FSR4 work on RDNA3 with Linux”

[past escarp]

oh my god, i only seen this reddit on my phone, who the hell made this awful design, please, remove its eyes

[wooden rapids]

[icy kraken]

best stalker experience so far gameplay wise. It's worth the hassle!

[tawny thicket]

Cray-Z

[pure ibex]

https://youtu.be/cy4g0Rl_15s?feature=shared

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYUL1tt_olk

Thats a engine 😊

[raw basin]

i feel like a power limit is there for a reaso

[pure ibex]

The card hits like 58c at max power limit stock

It has a lot of room to grow

[raw basin]

huh

thats cooler than the max my laptop has gone to (76C and still exists as it is the thing im typing on rn)

but then again it is a laptop

[pure ibex]

The 9070 xt is so power limited it’s honestly a joke

[ocean yew]

haha

[pure ibex]

You just need to bridge 3 sets of pins and no more power limit so

Hella based

[ocean yew]

would it actually be safe to push the card up anymore

[past escarp]

80-85C even tho i never cleaned it from dust (have had this laptop for almost 3 yrs)

[pure ibex]

Some guy im in a server with pushed it to 600 watts with air cooling

[ocean yew]

doesnt mean its safe though

[pure ibex]

If it doesn’t get too hot it’s fine

[ocean yew]

wont it degrade the components

[serene meteor]

To be a pro and more simple and cheap, you buy a 9070 - non XT for Sapphire and make a power switch on/off for power limit after you put a 9070XT bios on it

[pure ibex]

It won’t degrade it beyond stock

[ocean yew]

gotcha

[pure ibex]

Tbh not a good idea

[serene meteor]

I said if you are a pro

[ocean yew]

does giving it more power up the performance much?

[pure ibex]

Pushing mad power through the 12vhwpr plug

Yes

It allows it to clock higher

[serene meteor]

Who is not a pro, better not do anything or it will burn :)))

[pure ibex]

Just add 3 switches

[serene meteor]

Or leave it as it is if you don't want to cry after you smoke your card

[pure ibex]

Or realistically just bridge them because why would you ever want to put the power limit back

Power limits are for bitches

[pure ibex]

My card sits at 58 degrees at full tilt

It would be silly not too

[serene meteor]

Power limits = AMD do not want to burn your card.

People be like "F AMD let it burn" :)))

[pure ibex]

That’s just not true lol

Amd is notoriously over baring with its power limits

Always have been

[serene meteor]

I alrady burn a R9 290 with a mode like that. So no... is not true at all... just lies 😅

[pure ibex]

That’s just you being dumb

You blow up your card by not knowing what your doing

[serene meteor]

So i am dumb ? oh wow... you insult more ?

[pure ibex]

You must install an evc2 on top of the shunt mod

To actually control the power

[past escarp]

so the best choice for the average user is just to not do anything with the cards, if it works fine

[pure ibex]

If your a bitch yah

[foggy ferry]

*you're

Gotta do it to 'em

[past escarp]

nuh uh, im not willing to risk my card when i cant buy another in a long time

[foggy ferry]

Me rn

[pure ibex]

For me I’m just waiting to see how much clock people can get

I’ve only seen one guy report anything and he used a totally different method so

[serene meteor]

You all dumb trust me, i do not see electronist people like the guy from the video to do it right. So not many will do it right not even you. But if you want to burn your card you are free to do it, not my money lol

[foggy ferry]

Also, don't be r00d

[pure ibex]

Im just messing with them bro

[foggy ferry]

Fair, if he's alright with it

You remember the whole talk from days ago, right?

[pure ibex]

Yes

[past escarp]

honestly i think oc is just niche stuff that do either people who know what they`re doing or those who are rich enough to simply dont care abt burning their cards

[foggy ferry]

Sorry that I've gotta be the Kuro rn these last couple of days

[pure ibex]

I don’t really think your a lame ass hoe for not wanting to risk blowing up your 600 plus dollar gpu

But if you can get like 800mhz or more

[past escarp]

in my country even blowing up 300$ card is really expensive

[pure ibex]

[serene meteor]

Hey stop learning people how to blow their cards up, that is rude and mean.

[foggy ferry]

Topkek

[pure ibex]

I’ve only killed one gpu

Technically it was dead already but

I made it more dead

I tried baking it in the oven

To fix the cracked bga

And it didn’t work

[serene meteor]

i killed one too, doing experiments, so you are as dumb as me then 😄

[coarse linden]

Heh use to be way to go fix for "dead cards"

[pure ibex]

Yah it was a 6800 gt

It did work on some memory sticks I had though lol

Fixed a 500mhz ddr1 memory stick I had

Only time it ever worked

[coarse linden]

Poor mans hot air station

[pure ibex]

I have one but

It’s not good for reflowing stuff

Hot air stations can slightly move the chips

[serene meteor]

I got over 20 video cards, only one was the victim of my cruel experiments

[coarse linden]

Gets the job done if you want precision instead making your oven smell like burned plastic

Really adds to pizza taste

[pure ibex]

lol

Well you remove the plastic first

[coarse linden]

Aint nobody got time for t hat

[serene meteor]

Anyways....

[raw basin]

mother of mary jesus christr

YOU COULD SIMMER CHICKEN IN A POT WITH THAT

[coarse linden]

Typical laptop with its anemic heatsink

[past escarp]

nah its fineee. its only in cod warzone, other games are fine with 75-78C

[serene meteor]

Back in the day AMD Radeon cards running at 90C was normal (conform with AMD). Now days is not ok to run it at 70 - 80C ?

[past escarp]

i guess its fine until ur hitting throttling temperatures

[serene meteor]

throttling comes when you hit temp limit, witch today with most cards is around 85C

at least with Nvidia... idk what is temp limit with AMD Radeon, i never got one since... i forgot.

[tawny thicket]

i think i heard somewhere that AMD's memory T-j MAX was 110 C
i could be very wrong though

[wooden rapids]

https://youtu.be/cy4g0Rl_15s?si=QmN8WEnrMM9E6-em

@pure ibex We got a job to do

[pure ibex]

I posted this already bruh

[wooden rapids]

where

[pure ibex]

.

[wooden rapids]

Hey hey, that was like 10 scroll away in my phone

[pure ibex]

[south light]

Is there anything to help me to get more than 45 ms ingame? I got a 4070 Super and 32gig ddr4 and ryzen 7 5800x

[plucky quail]

Anyone understand the announcement?

[plucky quail]

Holy is that low

[plucky quail]

:__
-Select in your Bios XMP, EXPO(or sometimes called DOCP).
-Turn SAM or Resizeble Bar on.
-Check Files
-Use DDU and Install the driver straight from the GPUs Manufacturer
-Go to Windows Auto-start and close all things you dont need immediately
-Open Task manager open Auto-Start there and do the same.
-Deactivate Nvidia Recording and Overlay
-Turn on APO in the Bios for Intel 12th-and above gen on and install Intel Application Optimization
-If you have Integrated CPU then deactivate the Integrated GPU(Look on YT for that)
-Update Bios
-Reinstall the game
-Reinstall Windowst

That’s a good start for more fps

[hollow kettle]

It is just saying the game is -20% off on steam to purchase

On sale

[plucky quail]

no the other one

[hollow kettle]

Looks like a roadmap of all their completed & planned updates for 2025. Based on what it says on paper in the image, looks like we are gonna get some very good updates this year

[plucky quail]

What is the new controller ability

[dire mountain]

Does someone know how or if i can get rid of the random Ram filling reaching 99% and freezes the game?

[past escarp]

ram filling is just a memory leak

[dire mountain]

So basically i can only wait for an fix from GSC´s side..

[past escarp]

and cry... and suffer

[dire mountain]

Had that problem before with my Vram now its my Ram.. jesus

[hollow kettle]

I am not sure

[past escarp]

i guess game is just broken who knows when it will be fixed. i mean i`ve played it and completed story, had 100 hrs of gameplay, but still performance is just bad

[hollow kettle]

Verify & repair files fix memory leaks 3 times now for me

I play on pc game pass version

[dire mountain]

Did that every time it had happend.. doesnt seem to fix it for me.. :/

[dire mountain]

I stopped playing after 3 days of release bcs those Vram fill ups got on my nerves.. Had a 4080 with 16GB now its my ram 64gb... just when i started to have fun haha

[dire mountain]

playing the steam version

[past escarp]

i guess im just lucky to neve encounter those problems, cause my pc is worse then urs so i guess i would never be able to play it

[dire mountain]

Yeah idk.. When im looking at the new roadmap it seems they think they fixed most of the problems but people are still struggling even with high end pcs

[past escarp]

or they just gave up on fixing performance issues... or never cared to begin with

[dire mountain]

The last thing i can try is to re install that game and if it start to freeze again i can only wait for future updates and leave a bad review on steam :/

[past escarp]

sad but at this point i dont believe that stalker 2 or ue5 have been optimized

[dire mountain]

Tbh its not directly the performance (Atleast for me) its just those random stuff that happens with your hardware that doesnt happen on any other game atleast for me

[past escarp]

i think it still is a part of performance, game stability i guess

[dire mountain]

Yeah the overall stability is still a mess

[past escarp]

and performance i guess still is quite bad

[dire mountain]

I mean it depens on what hardware you try to run the gamne on what resolution... its UE5 and pretty demanding

[past escarp]

rx 7800xt + r7 7700, 32Gb RAM and at 1080p full ultra abt 60-70fps without frame gen

it was on release and idk how it will be now, but i dont think something has changed

[dire mountain]

Not really much had changed in that regard. But why no framegen tho?

[past escarp]

cause this is performance of the game, not that its "true" performance, cause it still had FSR(maybe it was on quality, maybe on native)

[pure ibex]

Roadmap is just for q2

[past escarp]

i dont think that framegen is a good tech for now, cause in my case yes, it did work well and i never had high latency, but if you will use this technology on lower end cards like 2060(which my friend does have) - it will be very unpleasant expirience

[pure ibex]

So April may june

[dire mountain]

Well its just my view on things but we wont get arround framegen in the near future in different games so the real performance can only go so long with architect types and nanometers of certain chips

[past escarp]

i heard that we already are pretty close to physical limit of what we can do

[dire mountain]

Yep and im lucky that im not having anything against framegen actually enabeliong it in every pve game sometimes pvp games aswell

[uneven portal]

I’ll always point this out: Frame Generation is not rendered by AI, rather it’s an AI interpolating frames. If you have, for example, ghosting due to lighting issues, using Frame Gen will only worsen the effect.

[past escarp]

in pvp games it will show you the picture of the game that never existed and you may shoot in nothingness

[past escarp]

yeah yeah framegen, as it stends from its name, only draws fake frames by using ai

[uneven portal]

it generates a frame between two others, so it's actually always a relatively accurate image.

[dire mountain]

Tbh if i had it enabled in some pvp games it doesnt effected me that much. I think people are going way to deep and picturing it worse then it actually is

[past escarp]

well not in new nvidias multiframegen

[past escarp]

well in games where you need more like accuracy of what ur looking at (like cs2) this could play a role in ur game

[uneven portal]

you're downplaying it — it's actually quite noticeable

The problem isn’t that you’re shooting at something that isn’t there, because as I said before, since it’s interpolation, that doesn’t really happen. The real issue is the added input, since you have no control over that generated frame — and on top of that, Reflex 2 doesn’t even look like it’s going to fix that in the end.

[dire mountain]

Like ive said never had any issues with it 🤷‍♂️ Still had a good experience and didnt feeld like ive performed worse then i would without framegen

[dire mountain]

Its just my personal experience i dont downplaying anything

[uneven portal]

t depends on many factors you're generalizing.

For example, how many FPS did you have originally before enabling it?

Or how many Hz does your monitor support, and at what refresh rate were you playing?

[pure ibex]

I mean

You have to realize

[south light]

The fps are great around 90 ish but the milliseconds reaction time is 45-60 ms which feels very spongy to play

[pure ibex]

The way it currently works

Games can’t accept inputs on generated frames

[dire mountain]

I know i know everything under 60 is horribile with latency and so on jada jada jada tbh i dont remember it must be something like 66 in marvel rivals with my 40 series card. i have a 240hz monitor and im playing on a refresh rate of 240hz xD

[pure ibex]

So it’s basically just free lag

With no upside

Other than it looks smoother kinda?????

[dire mountain]

The higer the frames the better it feels with framegen i know but still for me personally it didnt feel bad in any way

and it doesnt in stalker 2 aswell

[uneven portal]

You didn’t answer my question exactly, I don’t know if you noticed

[dire mountain]

?

[pure ibex]

If your getting 120 fps and with mfg you get 240

[uneven portal]

.

[pure ibex]

I mean your playing at 120 fps

The game accepts inputs like your playing at 120fps

[dire mountain]

read again 🙂

[pure ibex]

Though idk if it buffers inputs I imagine it does

[uneven portal]

240hz serie 40 60 fps of start?

[dire mountain]

66 fps

[pure ibex]

🤮

[dire mountain]

something like that and i spelled it down actually

[uneven portal]

uuuuu men, we dont have frame gen 4.0 on 40 series

is just a x2

[dire mountain]

never said i had 4.0 enabled?

[uneven portal]

60 to 240 brhu

[dire mountain]

dlss 3 is actually framgen aswell?

[uneven portal]

The number of generated frames is different; for the 40 series, we usually have an x2

Unless you have a 50 series graphics card, I don't know how you went from 60 to 240—unless, of course, you're adding DLSS and something else

[dire mountain]

i know? ive never said ive enabled dlss 4 i was just talking about framegen in generall

[uneven portal]

Yes, but the numbers you're giving don't add up just by activating Frame Gen

[uneven portal]

There are two versions of Frame Gen in Nvidia: one for the 40 series graphics cards and one for the 50 series. The ones for the 40 series are usually an x2 and for the 50 series, an x3, I believe—just simply explained.

[dire mountain]

Ok again for you without framegen it was like 66 fps on my 1% lows now you should know how much i had with dlss 3? dont you?

[hollow kettle]

How can I set up OSD to show pc latency? Or whatever would show total input latency I mean

Adrenalin has input lag option but it only shows what is added via afmf if it is enabled

[uneven portal]

RTSS + MSI Afterburner maybe? idk

[hollow kettle]

I have that osd I just can’t find the option for input latency anywhere

[uneven portal]

Buff, honestly no idea

[dire mountain]

ok you are basically telling me stuff that i already know and never asked? lmao

[dire mountain]

And you asked for my monitor refresh rate which is actually 240hz which doesnt mean i had 240fps

[uneven portal]

i dont remember it must be something like 66 in marvel rivals with my 40 series card. i have a 240hz monitor and im playing on a refresh rate of 240hz, That's what you wrote, look, it’s hard for me to understand in English because it's not my first language But I think this is more your fault than mine

[dire mountain]

Idk english isnt my native language aswell thats why i have spelling issues but i think you said something that you meand differently bcs if you talk about "refresh rate" i think of the monitors refresh rate not my ingame fps

[uneven portal]

Anyway, at least that's resolved. So you must have been playing at around 122 FPS. (aprox)

To be honest, Handsome Jack summed it up: you get visual improvement, but it doesn't really translate to anything playable, especially in more competitive games. You just add free input lag, which I’m not sure is worth it. It's usually more profitable to lower the graphics, and there you'll notice not only a visual improvement but also a playable one. If you play with a mouse, try it and you'll see the difference.

[dire mountain]

must have been something like that yes, but still i stand with the point that atleast 60% of people who say framegen is bad never actually experienced it with there own eyes or even played with framegen. Ive played framegen 3.0 and now 4.0 and have a latency between 30ms and 44ms in grayzone warfare for example which isnt that of an gamebreaker for me

[uneven portal]

I mean, if you want to make a fair comparison, first try playing with the graphics lowered to 120 FPS and then at 120 FPS with Frame Gen. That’s when you’ll understand why people don’t like it.

[dire mountain]

ofcorse my latency would be lower that's normal without generated frames but still for me it isn't a gamebreaker and if you love it or hate it in the near future you will have to get comfortable with ai enhancements

There is no way arround generated frames unless someone finds a solution to moores law

[uneven portal]

actually lowering the graphics usually helps 😂

[dire mountain]

i dont like potato graphics.. 😦

[uneven portal]

it's sad, because we have expensive graphics, but the market works that way.

[dire mountain]

And even when we lower the graphics we would still be cpu bound at the end hahaha

[uneven portal]

stalker 2 be like

On top of that, it’s clear that optimization is one of their last priorities in the new roadmap

[dire mountain]

Which is not the right way in my opinion

Still having memory leak issues

[uneven portal]

And well, visual artifacts because of Lumen, you can see how everything loads, the textures don’t load, the lighting is the same, frame rate inconsistency, DLSS looks blurry, TAA even more blurry. Really, in general terms, I prefer the graphics of Stalker mods over Stalker 2

[dire mountain]

For me personaly the new tranformer modle of dlss 4 helps with the sharpness but you can see it on the trees they have a flicker effect

but i play it with the implemented dlss of the game because when i enable dlss 4 i have random stutters and input lag

in stalker 2

[hollow kettle]

This game has flickers and shimmer no matter what you set things to

[dire mountain]

true but dlss 4 makes it even worse xD

[hollow kettle]

I thought dlss 4 looked good on my 4060. But now I have Radeon gpu so I use fsr 3.1 native AA. Even at all epic there is still fuzzy/shimmery lighting all over, terrible foliage pop in, low res shadow edges, noisy reflections..could go on and on. And I tried with no AA, TAA, FSR and DLSS/DLAA

craziest thing is frame Gen in this game actually makes it look more clean and smooth imo. (As long as you have 60+ base fps) Usually it is opposite

If you don’t look at things too long then you don’t notice most of it. But a few things are just blatantly obvious and it sucks. But at least the game is pretty fun

[dire mountain]

Did you got yourself a 9070xt?

[hollow kettle]

I got 9070 non XT

[spare coral]

The non xt is still a big boy

[dire mountain]

Nice! But as far as i know the 4060 only Supports dlss 3 o;

[hollow kettle]

Yeah this thing is still very good gpu. Best card I ever own for sure

[spare coral]

Transformer model is available for all the rtx cards

[hollow kettle]

Noo 4060 has dlss 4 and frame Gen just not mfg or smooth motion

[dire mountain]

Oh good to know

[spare coral]

All the extra stuff from the 5000 is exclusive minus dlss 4

[hollow kettle]

I haven’t decided if I want to try to sell my 4060 or just keep it and maybe upgrade psu later on to use both lol could try lossless scaling with it or something

Might build another pc with it some day. I only used that gpu for a few months if that

[dire mountain]

Havent really looked in to it what actually is possible with an 40 series card after i upgradet to a 50 series card ^^ but its really good to know you never stop learning 🙂

[dire mountain]

I would keep it you never know. PCs are the most random Plattform

[pure ibex]

I gone and changed my cars oil and your still arguing about this

[dire mountain]

???

[wooden rapids]

I read that as cat oil

[pure ibex]

You know me bro gotta change the oil in your cat every 5000 miles

[hollow kettle]

Hardcore mode in kcd2 drops tomorrow !

[pure ibex]

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-confirms-epyc-venice-with-zen6-architecture-has-taped-out-on-tsmc-n2-process

This confirms the moores law is dead leak is true

10 core ccd ryzens are coming

With 6ghz plus being the clock target

[plucky quail]

Gonna be the biggest CPU launch

[past escarp]

so jsut to clarify, if this law is not true, then we still may be far from what we can do with silicon in terms of performance like cpu etc

[pure ibex]

I’m not talking about the actual law

It’s the name of a YouTube channel

Famous for tech leaks

[past escarp]

ah understood

[plucky quail]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-announces-geforce-rtx-5060-ti-at-429-16gb-and-379-8gb-299-rtx-5060-launches-next-month

Nvidia learned

[past escarp]

what changed?

i mean price is still pretty close to the predecessor(yes, 20$ cheaper, but still almost same) and has only 8Gb VRAM

[plucky quail]

No the 16 gb is much better now

[late ferry]

bauderbaumeister has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[plucky quail]

i forgor

70$ less than predecessor and 5*0$ MORE for +8gb

[tawny thicket]

Last time you were mad at AMD for charging the same for the same amount of VRAM
What changed ?

[plucky quail]

60Ti is faster than a XT and AMD still gonna be on the GDDR6 so the cost is much lower.
Only hope is that the performance diff gonna be near 0%.
Nvidia was 13-15% ish faster.
Gonna be seen how its gonna be after Nvidia and AMDs gpus are out.

[coarse linden]

Heh 5060ti 16gb review leaked

[plucky quail]

And good?

[pure ibex]

No my son run 9070 xt with unlocked power limit

[coarse linden]

Just like rest of the series. Crap for 40 owners and ok for rest

[tawny thicket]

wait, what, where ?

[coarse linden]

Jaytwocents butter fingers

Privated the video but tad too late now

[tawny thicket]

is there a reupload ?

[coarse linden]

Probably

[serene meteor]

translate in live dangerous

[hollow kettle]

patch today just bug fixes?

[pure ibex]

Nothing ventured nothing gained

[hollow kettle]

i was thinking 16gb vram would not be ideal for 128 bit memory bus but does gddr7 fix that ?

[coarse linden]

Forget the bus width and look the bandwidth

[past escarp]

not sure, but im sure that gddr7 doesn fix 8gb vram

[tawny thicket]

doesnt matter

[coarse linden]

Neural compression and 10 other gimmicks to the rescue

[plucky quail]

Or 9070 cracked bios

[plucky quail]

That will be there when the gpu is well out of Date.

[coarse linden]

I mean potato gamers always stick around

[past escarp]

i wonder when will nvidia start making cards with tdp more then luxembourg?

[pure ibex]

Where is 9070 xt cracked bios

[coarse linden]

9070 with XT bios

[pure ibex]

Doesn’t help me

[tawny thicket]

9070 XT with cracked 9070 XTX BIOS ?

[pure ibex]

Now we’re talking

[onyx swan]

Hi, guys haven't played the game in like 4 months is it playable yet? 😄 did the developers tweak anything related to the gameplay, does the game feel better than it was ~launch?

[pure ibex]

I mean kinda?

Disable framegen and mouse acceleration

[onyx swan]

yeah i know all about that frame gen, they haven't fixed that yet too?

[pure ibex]

You can’t fix framegen

Framgen is just Framgen

[onyx swan]

What about the memory leaks? wasn't there a lot in the start?

[pure ibex]

There’s less

Still happens

It’s suppose to be better on brand new saves

[sweet void]

Intel crying from distance

[pure ibex]

Will be the most powerful Ryzen to date

[hollow kettle]

There is an issue with frame Gen in this game ?

[pure ibex]

First time amd is using a flagship process node

[sweet void]

https://tenor.com/view/amd-intel-conor-mg-gregor-gif-14599805

[pure ibex]

No it just makes already high latency feel even worse

[coarse linden]

Intel engineer: mOre eFfiCieNcy cOReS!!!!

[sweet void]

Also intel: CPU burning in PC

rip money

[tawny thicket]

correction : Intel engineer: MoRe CinEbEnCh AcElArAtoRs

[hollow kettle]

Oh I personally can’t play this game without it. Feels smooth for me with FG

I still haven’t figured out a way to measure total input latency yet 😔

[pure ibex]

Msi afterburner

[coarse linden]

But you know what would be better? Efficiency cores for Cinebench accelerators!!

[hollow kettle]

I have it and I just tried every possible plugin in RTSS/Afterburner last night but none show latency

Unless there is a way to add more plugins than already come with the software

[pure ibex]

There is literally an option for frame delay in ms

I use it every day

[tawny thicket]

wut

[sweet void]

and going FULL AMD

[pure ibex]

Frame lag

[hollow kettle]

In the monitoring tab of afterburner settings ?

[pure ibex]

Yah

[serene meteor]

no gain no pain

[pure ibex]

I can’t exactly tell you right now I’m not home

https://tenor.com/view/uni-cat-gif-16508948274886257497

[hollow kettle]

Wth I swear I’ve looked through every one of these plug-ins and options I cannot find it or I do not have it

[pure ibex]

I’m doing my hours at the vintage electrics factory

[hollow kettle]

Oh wait maybe it is bc I don’t have the latest update for RTSS?

[tawny thicket]

thats not what i was confused by
i just had ZERO idea that that was an option in RTSS

[pure ibex]

Yah it’s an option

[serene meteor]

A friend of mine got a Sapphire 9070XT the one with the special melting power pin. The card is at me for sell now, he did not like it and went for RTX 5070 Ti lol 😂
The card works perfect, i test it in a few games. I can't keep it because i got RTX 4080 Super.

He wanted that special DLSS 4 with multi frame lag of hell

Me laughing using lossless multi frame gen for 10$ on Steam.

[tawny thicket]

meanwhile : me using MFG for free with the AMD driver + FSR FG

[serene meteor]

even better

[coarse linden]

Me laughing at plebs using frame gen

[hollow kettle]

I can’t find anything in afterburner for framelag but I found a program called “Frame Latency Meter”

[serene meteor]

that is the best way if you can go not use DLSS or frame gen... sadly Nvidia destroy the gaming market with this

[minor sentinel]

hello guys, i used to have decent performance back in early january, now its kinda shit, which settings should i change to improve it?
rtx 3060
amd ryzen 7 500g
16 gb of ram

[hollow kettle]

Frame Gen is nice in some cases tbh

[serene meteor]

it was nice to all have raw performance instead fake frames

[sweet void]

this

[hollow kettle]

Those days are gone now

[serene meteor]

Sad...

[coarse linden]

You know.. You dont have to put every game on ultra

[hollow kettle]

I pay for good card I’m going to use it fully 🤪

[coarse linden]

AMD helped there by bringing their own crap into mix standardizing the practice tbh

[serene meteor]

Sadly Stalker 2 don't use RT but UE5 Lumen who can't be trun on or off like normal RT so we can have pure performance without using BS RT.

[hollow kettle]

I actually love stuff like Ray tracing and now that I got a taste of path Tracing my wallet is already scared for what is to come 🤣

[coarse linden]

Dont lecture me about something im perfectly aware

[serene meteor]

Pleb 😄

[hollow kettle]

Just wait until next Gen of consoles start having RT implemented as a standard. Then hardware will be forced to keep up

[coarse linden]

I mean it will since it saves developers lot of time

[hollow kettle]

I never knew avatar frontiers of pandora also has RT on by default and can’t be disabled. Same as Indiana jones

[coarse linden]

Time saved = money and money = bigger big shoe bonus

[serene meteor]

after all this tariffs war... i am afraid nobody will be abel to buy new consoles or hardware without selling his internal organs

[hollow kettle]

I like how everything just keeps getting more and more expensive but employers near me are still paying us same amount as years ago

[serene meteor]

same goes in all countries

[coarse linden]

Welcome to capitalism

[pure ibex]

No speaking of communism

[tawny thicket]

okay

[pure ibex]

[hollow kettle]

[coarse linden]

The fantasy kind or what ever this world has?

[tawny thicket]

see
this isnt your server its our server

[pure ibex]

We can test this theory

[coarse linden]

Your up poll boy

[serene meteor]

#banall

[tawny thicket]

no need

[serene meteor]

NO

[hollow kettle]

I wonder if there is any mod to fix the economy in this game

[pure ibex]

Set game mode to rookie when buying and selling

Economy fixed

[hollow kettle]

Wait prices are different based on difficulty ?!

[pure ibex]

Yup

[hollow kettle]

There is people all over Reddit talking about spending $900+ on 9070xt. Not ridiculing them for it but I feel like as long as there are people paying crazy overpriced for these products then they will never stick to msrp again. It’ll just be marketing scheme

One guy said he paid the same for a 9070xt (from a scalper) as it would have cost for a 5080.

Paying over msrp fine if you have the money for it and want it. But dang don’t buy from scalper 😭

Nearly $1500 for XT is just insane

[tawny thicket]

no. buying a 9070 XT over a 5080 when the two are the same price is insane

[hollow kettle]

Yeah he said he did it just to support the competition because he doesn’t like how nvidia is doing things lol

[pure ibex]

I mean I paid that for my Red devil

Considering I got a 58c core temp though

I think I got my moneys worth

[hollow kettle]

That price really isn’t that bad and besides people can spend their money how they want to. I just hate seeing folks buy from scalpers

[pure ibex]

I bought it in a store

On the day so yah

[hollow kettle]

Makes me feel like they get taken advantage of when they pay so much for a gpu from scalper

[hollow kettle]

That’s just msrp plus tax though right? Red devil model was $799 msrp iirc

[pure ibex]

Yes

[hollow kettle]

Yeah that’s similar to how mine was. Steel legend msrp $639 with tax it was almost $700

Actually bit over $700

[pure ibex]

My state has silly tax

It’s why everyone around here sells car in cash

Almost no one will accept anything but cash

[hollow kettle]

Ours is 7% for sales tax but then shipping and stuff on top of it since it was from Newegg

Louisiana has 10.92% sales tax 😵

[plucky quail]

You guys can do that?

[pure ibex]

No one gets in trouble for it i guess so yah

[hollow kettle]

I figured out why my psu doesn’t have 4x 6+2 pin connectors like I saw on the website.
They have another model with identical model #. On the site it shows it as the model # plus (V2) at the end. And this one only has 2x 6+2 connectors listed 🥲
I love when companies use identical model # repeatedly -_-

[coarse linden]

Didnt we solve this mystery like week ago

[past escarp]

unfrotunately for you

[hollow kettle]

I never found out for sure until now. I honestly forgot we even talked about it before too 😆

[coarse linden]

lol

[hollow kettle]

I figured out how to show input latency in RTSS osd finally

[hollow kettle]

I got an email from MSI claiming 5070 Shadow was back in stock if anyone interested in that

$609

[plucky quail]

Despite times need desperate measures

[tawny thicket]

Nah, i'd pass

[serene meteor]

9070 XT is selling 10x better than RTX 5080

let Nvidia downfall as a rock ||(damn scumbags)||

[wheat perch]

the small amount of higher performance isnt worth the jump to the 50xx series, neither XT, I would skip both and wait for the 60xx series

[tawny thicket]

The 9070's can be good upgrade if you don't already have a 7900 XT or 4070 TI class product
And i think its important to note that the 9070XT is 40%+ faster than its predecessor (the 7800 XT)
Just saying that AMD didn't stagnate this gen like NVIDIA

[spare coral]

He wants a 100% uplift

[ocean yew]

is the 7800xt actually its predecessor tho

[spare coral]

Yep, or the 7900gre

[ocean yew]

what makes either the predecessor tho

[spare coral]

The price point

[past escarp]

thats a great uplift in performance, but unfrotunately prices also been abt 40-100% higher, at least in my country

lets just hope that prices will stabilize and 9060 if it would exist - will be just as great for their price, as the 9070s

[plucky quail]

https://youtu.be/Bu8I8fNK9pE?si=-t_Ym5_15htI5LL9

As if Linux knows anything about quality 5:00

[tawny thicket]

The configuration

The 7800 XT has the closest config to the 9070 XT in the RDNA 3 lineup

[ocean yew]

9070xt is wayyy higher than the price of a 7800 xt

[past escarp]

not in msrp, but if we check the real world prices - then 9070 prices are far above 7800xt

[ocean yew]

at msrp aswell

[past escarp]

600 and 500-550?

[tawny thicket]

Its 20% more expensive at MSRP
That's 20% more for +40% raster performance, double the RT perf and a much better upscaler

[plucky quail]

Well predecessors is the closest GPU that the new GPU replaces

[ocean yew]

taken at 500 $100 is still alot. but anyway, my question has already been answered.

[tawny thicket]

If one thinks that the price determines what a given cards predecessor is
Then the 7900 GRE is its predecessor

[ocean yew]

makes a bit more sense

[plucky quail]

Nvidia is more consistent with pricing so the 4060 is the predecessor of the 5060 but AMD called their cards 70 even tho the last gen 70 was 450$

[tawny thicket]

last gen didnt have a 70 class card

[plucky quail]

sorry 700

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6qZwJsp5X4

A 16Gb 7700XT

[past escarp]

why?

[plucky quail]

Cuz the performace is 7700XT with 16Gb

[tawny thicket]

A 16Gb 7700XT +5%

[plucky quail]

But still prob the best GPU in the lineup

[past escarp]

it would be great, if it wasnt so terrible

[plucky quail]

The best part is that it is the only GPU that has enough Vram besides the 5090

[wheat perch]

Thats maybe true but actually I consider an AMD cpu and stay at nvidia cards, so XT is no match for me

[tawny thicket]

but what is it that makes you stick with NVIDIA ?
and means that the 9070 XT isnt good for you ?
(and lets just be in a hipothetichal where the 9070 XT is going at its MSRP)

[spare coral]

what the hell the stores here at selling the 9070 non xt at 2k usd 😭

[hollow kettle]

I guess if you can afford 5090 then XT is irrelevant

[tawny thicket]

true : )

[hollow kettle]

I have some random dude telling me I should disable all my E cores for gaming

[past escarp]

for the best performance i recommend removing ur cpu from motherboard

[past escarp]

fire hazard is still relevant

[pure ibex]

Me praying at Radeon building for them to release the mega radeon we’ve always wanted

It’s been 10 years

Where is it

[tawny thicket]

just double up the N48 die (which is N44 but doubled) and then you have a 9080 XT : )

[hollow kettle]

need 9090 xtx

[pure ibex]

The rdna4 is the boneless version of what we get next

What comes next could make made on n2 node

And be a fucken monster

[hollow kettle]

i hope within next 5 years radeon will have a beast able to compete with nvidia flagship

[pure ibex]

The 9070 xt was a massive step toward closing the gap

[hollow kettle]

the way they just boost ray tracing performance is still mind blowing to me. They did so good

[pure ibex]

Like just do that again but bigger and more

[hollow kettle]

next gen will be able to path trace easy i bet

[pure ibex]

Then they gotta bring there infinity fabric gpu tech to desktop

[hollow kettle]

can already do it now with upscaling but i want native lol

[tawny thicket]

next gen AMD will have the same RT performance as ADA (RTX 40)

[pure ibex]

Which allows multiple gpus to fuse into one mega gpu

Over the pcie bus

[tawny thicket]

wait for the 7090

[pure ibex]

Bring back multi gpu

But bring it back the way god intended

[hollow kettle]

can 5090 even run native path tracing

[pure ibex]

Not the massively stunned crippled crap we had

[serene meteor]

AMD Radeon had to do this since RX 5700 XT when first launch to beat Nvidia in market and sells.

[tawny thicket]

anything can run PT at 1x1 resolution

[pure ibex]

Look I want to be able to plug 2 9070 xts into my pc

[serene meteor]

With 9070/9070XT dont even scrach Nvidia's market domination to be honest

[pure ibex]

And get 98 percent more performance

[tawny thicket]

#crossfire

[pure ibex]

No

Crossfire is lame and gay

I want the real version

[pure ibex]

It absolutely has

[tawny thicket]

but, seriously it can run native PT if its 1080p
and MAYBE 1440p
but 4K ? NO.

[serene meteor]

You must be drinking somethig strong to think that look at the GPU market how much Nvidia have. It will need AMD a few good years and a few generations of cards to beat or at least be on par with Nvidia.

[pure ibex]

Amd has sold more 9000 series cards than all of 50 series

They got up to 48 percent market share in Japan

[tawny thicket]

so you meant market share wise ?
i dont think thats how we should be looking at it

[pure ibex]

Market share gains take many years

[serene meteor]

that do not mean anything, imagine how many people have in their PC RTX cards now that will not buy 9070, think logic.

[pure ibex]

So see large changes

[pure ibex]

One retailer posted there figures for sales

And they have been selling 4 or 5x as many radeons as 50 series

[serene meteor]

Dude one retaile means nothing world wide Nvidia dominace of GPU market

[pure ibex]

Sure

Right now

No one is gonna throw there GeForce in the trash over night

[tawny thicket]

its a first step. no single generation will equlize the massive gap between AMD and NVIDIA
it never has and never will.

[pure ibex]

This argument is retarded

If they don’t feel the need to upgrade

Why would they

[serene meteor]

I said AMD will take few good years and a few other generations of GPUs to be on par with Nvidia GPU market.

[pure ibex]

There not gonna get all the current GeForce guys to throw there perfectly good gpu in the trash just to support the cause

[tawny thicket]

*market share wise
not hardware wise, they are already mostly there

[serene meteor]

that is retarded cors not lol so evident

that's what i am saying

[pure ibex]

The big take away here is

A large number of people who did upgrade

Decided to upgrade to a Radeon

[serene meteor]

The fun fact is that there is too many Nvidia fans who will not buy AMD Radeon even if is better than Nvidia cards in performance, they will find a way to say AMD is bad, like it happen back in history a few times when AMD was better yet people went for Nvidia instead of AMD/ATI.

History teach us that already and i think will never change.

[tawny thicket]

the fans arent the issue, every company has an army of retards
its the people that dont even know that AMD RADEON exists

[serene meteor]

That too. Just ask random people what video card they want, i bet you 1000$ they will say Nvidia in 90% of cases :)))

So can't beat Nvidia if you can't beat this mentality.

[pure ibex]

Yah I was one of them

And here we are

[hollow kettle]

just watched 5060ti 16gb vs 4070
the ti looks to get roughly -10 fps across the ten games tested

[pure ibex]

Massive victory Mr nvidia

Good job

[hollow kettle]

dlss quality and the 5060ti 16gb cant even hit 60 fps in tsushima at 1440p

barely lol this is funny

[serene meteor]

So you the guy who like to go full in for a brand. Big mistake there, never do that. I never ben a fan of AMD, Intel or Nvidia, F them all they all are toxic corporations who only want your money and nothing else.

Always buy what is best price/performance in your buget.

[pure ibex]

Mazda is My brand

I will defend my company

[serene meteor]

If is not Mazda Miata with rotative engine, meh.

[uneven portal]

I never really used to buy AMD because it meant too much power consumption every year, and with NVIDIA, I'm basically stuck in a monopoly because of the driver situation.

Anyone who needs a GPU for work rather than just gaming will probably never go with AMD.

Aside from that, I actually recommend AMD quite a bit now, especially because I see no point in this new crappy generation from NVIDIA and their garbage pricing.

[tawny thicket]

NVIDIA should have just named the 50 series as "40 series Super/Duper edition"

[serene meteor]

NvRebrand of RTX 40 series lol

[uneven portal]

rtx titan 4070

[uneven portal]

or 4075

[tawny thicket]

or 4070 Plus

[serene meteor]

RTX 4000 refresh for sure nothing more to be skipped and wait for next gen of GPUs if you have RTX 4000 card or Radeon 7000 series.

[pure ibex]

rx7

[hollow kettle]

Idk why Intel doesn’t make gpu for workstation instead of gaming. Or at least a balance of both to try to offset nvidia

Or for productivity/work I should say

Nvidia could be “premium”
Amd for gaming
Intel for balance of gaming/work

It’s like there are no new companies emerging anymore. All the same old crap

[coarse linden]

All fun and games until you look into whitepapers and see its not

[serene meteor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5HOxQFKkg 5060 Ti slower than 4070

[coarse linden]

Meaning that its not refresh

[hollow kettle]

I just find two Hypercube back to back wtf! XD

[serene meteor]

is evident that is not, we just saying they better did a refresh instead because the performance is too small to be a new gen

[tawny thicket]

still better than intel 14th "gen" 😉
and 14nm++++

[sweet void]

Intel is so cooked

[past escarp]

was it 9th gen or 10th gen?

[tawny thicket]

this
is comedy GOLD
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338194417907142740/1362175153554981096/image.png?ex=68016ff8&is=68001e78&hm=ec60150e92f858e0d02b23c9e3bc3b4bf5f5ae53e0928a99fd8a26a264ce6505&

[plucky quail]

idk it did span from i think 5th till 11th gen just with a new + at the end

[tawny thicket]

11th "gen" was the last one that had 14nm++++

[plucky quail]

and they had 3 gen with 10nm. Intel was so slow

[tawny thicket]

soo
10nm +++ ?

[tawny thicket]

so alder lake was their last new gen in 3 generations lol

[plucky quail]

Lets see how long they gonna stay on 1,8nm

[tawny thicket]

cuz rapta lake was add more cache and increase clocks cuz thats what AMD did lol

[tawny thicket]

*whatever they are on right now with arrow (in the knee) lake

[past escarp]

i mean only 14nm++++

[hollow kettle]

Honestly I never knew there was a difference I thought they all used AI 🤪

[serene meteor]

Last time i use a Intel CPU it was when i got 8700K, since than i only use Ryzen, and i never regret it.

I got Ryzen 3800X; 5800X3D and now 9800X3D.

[spare coral]

Im still on my i5 11400

[serene meteor]

what ?

[lusty scarab]

Is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Halo Black a sufficient cooler for a 9800X3D?

[tawny thicket]

The 9800X3D isn't very power hungry
So it should suffice

[hollow kettle]

What even is the best Intel cpu for gaming right now

[pure ibex]

The 14900ks

CPU is hot ass

[hollow kettle]

for $600 yeah seems like too much

almost $700 actually holy crap. Isnt tht more expensive than 9800x3D?

[pure ibex]

Yes

[wheat perch]

I got Radeon cards twice, both were returned caused by coil noises which interferes team speak and additionally a humming noise when moving the mouse around. Never had this with an nvidia

[tawny thicket]

thats the coolers fault lol

not AMD's

[wheat perch]

anyway, nvidias active coolers never made such noises or causing disturbances

[tawny thicket]

correction : the NVIDIA cards you got had quality coolers while the AMD ones you got didnt

[wheat perch]

hmm, if you say so, Im fine with that. Additionally the Radeon cards are much more power consumptive

[tawny thicket]

i have an AMD card and...
NO coil wine 🤷‍♂️

[tawny thicket]

yeah, RDNA 3 is less efficient than ADA (RTX 40)
but RDNA 4 is just as efficient as ADA / Lackwell (RTX 50)

[wheat perch]

correct

at the end, its a known fact that a high-end workstation built for gaming isnt a good example for optimized power using and consumption, aint?^^

[tawny thicket]

i dont understand that sentance

[plucky quail]

AMD was better in power efficiency vs Nvidia in 6000 but the chiplets need extra power

[tawny thicket]

well
yeah, RDNA 2 was more efficient than Ampere (mostly cuz it was on a better node)
the actuall problem with RDNA 3 VS ADA was that RDNA 3 was on a worse node

[plucky quail]

That’s why Rdna3 was lacking that. Also what I noticed the power nomatter what it stayed really high that’s like even with 60 fps with 50% load.

[wheat perch]

you'll need at least a 1000W power supply to cover all belongings onto your working station and cpu and gpu are almost the hungriest parts, so to speak. So, into my household I try to reduce my own powerconsumption to lower my monthly bill for power - but thats so to speak nonsense, when you are having also a very hungry work station

[tawny thicket]

so you have a work station ?
having to use your PC for work is a much better reason to buy NVIDIA than coil wine and power consumption

[wheat perch]

For sure a workstation

Nvidia had never had a coil wine

[tawny thicket]

[wheat perch]

^^

[plucky quail]

That would be the smallest issue I think. The chiplets did need extra power. That’s the same as AMD had against intel the tech did need much more power but was optimized later on.

[tawny thicket]

i thought we've been over this lol

[tawny thicket]

with CPU's that only matterd for idle
cuz last time i checked : ZEN 2 was more efficient than whatever intel had at the time

[plucky quail]

I think Nvidia has even more coil wine. Der Bauer did even a video

[coarse linden]

Coil whine not wine

[tawny thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-aksuali-veli-vel-nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-11908435316515627035

[wheat perch]

I did it for the vine... O_o .D

[coarse linden]

Go make a poll

[tawny thicket]

its not NVIDIA/AMD has more coil whine
its just that some AIB cards are bad.

[coarse linden]

Pretty much lottery

[plucky quail]

True but if we go overall I think Nvidia had the worst. With the outlets talking about it.

[coarse linden]

Even the most premium ultra deluxe cards can have coils cry for their life

Which is kinda comical when you are spending so much extra money

[wheat perch]

true

[serene meteor]

Coil Whine can be cause by PSU not to be always blame the GPU alone.

[hollow kettle]

I just saw a short saying “Nvidia, Qualcomm, google and Samsung team up to take on Intel and AMD with new cpu architecture” 🤔

[tawny thicket]

what ?
ARM 2.0 ?

[hollow kettle]

“RISC-V which is increasingly being seen as a viable challenger to proprietary architectures like Arm and x86”

They really are teaming up but isn’t that mobile processors? Idk anything about Arm or x86

https://www.techradar.com/pro/something-to-make-arm-intel-and-amd-squirm-nvidia-qualcomm-google-and-samsung-will-deliver-ai-focused-presentations-at-risc-v-summit

[serene meteor]

ARM is the future of CPUs, desktops will be no more, the future is focus on small mobile devices.

[tawny thicket]

they'll coexist

[serene meteor]

like dinosaurs with humans today

[tawny thicket]

🙄

[serene meteor]

[ocean yew]

anyway to fix this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559665244373516303/1362520367037681714/2025-04-17_20-51-54.mov?ex=6802b179&is=68015ff9&hm=4b545e7b4055083300343a6ea53ec4e84694f886706cbd83fa7cf72cacc67d58&

screen tearing is very obvious when using frame gen (fsr)

[hollow kettle]

I just found sapphire 7900xt sold & shipped by Newegg $650 USD. Lowest price I been able to find in stock online. Seems like a decent deal

I almost want to buy it myself

https://www.newegg.com/sapphire-radeon-rx-7900-xt-21323-01-20g/p/N82E16814202427

[plucky quail]

No like Chicken and humans

[plucky quail]

I dont see tearing

Only see really bad doubling of artifacting.

What base frame do you have before FG?

[tawny thicket]

part of the problem is that FSR FG doesnt know how to deal with things it doesnt get motion vectors for

the other pert is that FSR FG doesnt like fast camera movement while there is something stationary on screen

[plucky quail]

No that 100% has vectors but i guess his base frame is too low

[tawny thicket]

i was saying that because of the red dot

that doesnt have MV's

[plucky quail]

Oh that i cant see even in the video

but look a the scope or the background

Its Doubling

[spare coral]

Buy it and build a 2nd computer lmaoo

[ocean yew]

Yeah that’s what I mean

[ocean yew]

Only like 40

[ocean yew]

So basically there just isn’t a way around the issue?

[past escarp]

i guess with fg u will experience the same input lag, as if u were playing at abt 30fps

[tawny thicket]

increasing your base fps would help

That's it

[ocean yew]

Frame gen is so pointless 💀

[plucky quail]

Not enough you need 60

[plucky quail]

No it has a point to make the game look smoth

60 is till not like butter

[coarse linden]

Pointless for any self respecting fps player

Whats the point of "smooth" look when it feels like playing with vsync input lag

[plucky quail]

Its either having Smoothness or having less imputlag. Its your choice

[coarse linden]

I mean you can have both if you are willing to compromise

All without gimmicks

[plucky quail]

Yea turn down the graphics but this game is kinda bad even on low where you think is the 5FPS worth it.
In any game you can set the graphics optimized but this game is just ass on that.
Even all the Optimization YT videos showed that nothing changes. Not FPS not visual.
I have no idea if its still so since i didnt play the game for 3 Months now

[coarse linden]

Pretty much typical UE5

Thought i think optimization youtube videos are worthless and one should find those settings themselfs

[plucky quail]

Not really I use them to find a direction and go from there. That mostly a timesaver

[coarse linden]

Eh few minutes here or there

[serene meteor]

This is the future of graphics so deal with it. You better buy good hardware or cray in the corner with low fps and lag input. Nobody will save you once the tariffs will begin to take life and hardware will cost 2-3 times more. We all going to quit gaming being too expensive. I see a dark future to come apon us.

[polar mountain]

why lol, you have a 9070

[hollow kettle]

i thought about trying to find deals on parts to build pc and sell them. But not likely now

[serene meteor]

good luck with that on this market where all is expensive now

[plucky quail]

See it like a investment You can sell it in 1year for 2x

[tawny thicket]

cuz 7900 XT stronker

[polar mountain]

i went from 7900xt to 9070xt

[tawny thicket]

but non-XT weaher than 7900 XT

[late ferry]

iiivoidiii_51716 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hollow kettle]

Except ray tracing :p

[tawny thicket]

SSSSHHHHH

[hollow kettle]

Wukong added xess 2.0 and xess Frame Gen..since when does xess have FG? Is that only if you have Intel gpu?

They add dlss 4 also. Fsr 4 just being put on a back burner it seems 😭

Kcd2 has been on fsr 4 list on amd website since the start but still not able to use it in game :/ maybe next driver update

[spare coral]

It was announced for the b500 series dunno if its exclusive to it

[tawny thicket]

Its ARC exclusive

[hollow kettle]

Dang I wonder if it is any good. I’m gonna watch a video

[green spear]

7800 x3d and 7900 xt here, game runs excellent, a bit sad that i will probably not catch the fsr 4 technology though it's only for 9000's

[polar mountain]

fsr 4 tho

[plucky quail]

FSR 4 doesn’t even work properly on stalker sadly

[polar mountain]

Ik but still adds more longevity

[tawny thicket]

well
it does work in 400+ other games with optiscaler so i dont much care TBH

[plucky quail]

RDNA3 works also with Optiscaler and FSR4

[tawny thicket]

no, it doesnt

it just crashes
the only architecture that doesnt crash with FSR 4 + optiscaler is RDNA 4 and VEGA

and VEGA just doesnt crash

but it looks horrible
(worse than resolution scale)

[tawny thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGGQy-xmHs
pretty sure its the latter

[plucky quail]

Vega cant even run FSR4

You need wmma what RDNA3 has and 4 too

It works they made it work on many games like spiderman

[azure ore]

how difficult would it be to move this game to unreal engine 5.5

[tawny thicket]

no it cant
but its the only architecture that doesnt crash when trying to use it (other than RDNA 4 )

there's a reason i said this : "but it looks horrible (worse than resolution scale)"

like this : #995299946028871735 message

[plucky quail]

What it does not work but it does on vega?

[tawny thicket]

" it doesnt crash" doesnt mean it works

[plucky quail]

That does not make any sense.
Why say it does not crash if its not working. Its like saying 680 is one of the only architecture that doesnt crash. But it cant crash cuz it doesnt work

[tawny thicket]

https://files.catbox.moe/gjyula.mp4

FSR 4 on VEGA

[plucky quail]

Anyone has Big stutter?
Like every 5 sec there is one that goes 1sec

[ocean yew]

tried just restarting

[plucky quail]

Yes was the 2nd time i opened

[ocean yew]

idk then

[plucky quail]

Crazy game

[past escarp]

crazy world we live in

[polar mountain]

Are you on 24h2?

[plucky quail]

Yes

[polar mountain]

Ive got a bunch of weird bugs while browsing and gaming on 24h2 + noticeable stutters

[plucky quail]

I didn’t have them like 2 updates before

[grave radish]

Anyone figured out a way to deal with the ghosting? or got a specific config recommendation for it? maybe a different upscaler than DLSS? i dont even know. feels like ive tried most stuff and the game is still just crazy temporally unstable

[late ferry]

.melon7202 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tawny thicket]

depends on what exactly is ghosting
but most important : Do NOT use TAA

[grave radish]

lemme guess, you're a threat interactive fan

TAA is fine in most circumstances, and this game without any upscaling of any form runs like a dead dog

[tawny thicket]

NO. im NOT
im just saying that this games TAA is so garbage
that even FSR 3.1 quality upscale looks better (at 1080p)

[tawny thicket]

was never intended to be run without some kind of temporal accumilation

[plucky quail]

Fu* TAA

It does not work and all the Games that has the option to change to a better one I do and it always looks better

[tawny thicket]

grift interactive thinks that even DLSS T is bad
just BC its exclusive to hardware
hardware that at least 50% of players have (and 90% of players with hardware that can run the game have)

[tawny thicket]

yeah,
any TAAU algo is better than just TAA
at least UE 5's TAA
though UE 5 TAA isnt the worst of the worst

[grave radish]

I've been using DLSS with transformer

No appreciable visual difference for me

[plucky quail]

I don’t see the “better” in TAAU.
All look horrible.
Go any game and it is bad. Only thing that works to upscale your resolution like 4x and use TAA but by that I am already AAing with a high resolution.

Never gonna understand TAA defender.

[tawny thicket]

oh
well DLSS T can Sometimes have more ghosting than CNN
so maybe try CNN ?

[plucky quail]

What if it’s FG? Like the other guy mentioned about ghosting but it was FG.

[grave radish]

Yeah, I'm gonna go back to CNN, T isnt worth the performance trade off for no visual improvement

[tawny thicket]

fair point @grave radish

[tawny thicket]

TAAU = all upscalers

[grave radish]

I'm trying without FG, I'm up a tower atm so no foliage blowing around

[tawny thicket]

cuz all upscalers are temporal nowadays

[plucky quail]

I thought you only mean the TAAU for UE

[tawny thicket]

nah, i think thats terrible
though TSR is the succesor to UE 4's TAAU

[coarse linden]

Only thing worse then UE5 TAA is UE4 TAA

But really its developers fault for using default settings for it

[tawny thicket]

Only thing worse then UE5 TAA is UE4 TAA HD 2 TAA

[tawny thicket]

so default settings should be random white pixels flickering everywhere + no fine detail + everything flickering ??
(just how no TAA is in 99% of games these days)

[coarse linden]

Generally developers dont change anything just checkbox it on editor and call it a day

[tawny thicket]

TBH : a majority of this channel are TI fans
so cant fault you for the assumption

[coarse linden]

But hey for folk with 27" 1080p monitor it looks fine

I dont even know who that is

[grave radish]

Just a grifter

[coarse linden]

Youtuber?

[tawny thicket]

grift interactive ?
yeah.

[grave radish]

yea. Has a whole bee in his bonnet about TAA

His obsession is genuinely quite bizarre and pathological

[coarse linden]

Explains why i havent ever heard from it

[tawny thicket]

not just TAA
anything UE and NVIDIA

[grave radish]

And now everyone and their dog is a game rendering "expert"

Instead of, yknow, the people who work in the industry in the trenches

[tawny thicket]

*him
its just one guy
who is also scamming in the backrground
While being a copyright abuser

[grave radish]

His adherence to saying "We" in every video and post will never fail to tickle me

[coarse linden]

Eh sounds something not worth the effort to even look for

But then again majority of tech tubers are just annoying bricks

[grave radish]

It's really not, he's a guy who picked up on the FuckTAA reddit with an even more pathological hatred of an antialiasing method than even those guys

[plucky quail]

Yea but would not fix TAA just make it less undesirable

[grave radish]

Who just got super super SUPER weird and autistic about it

[tawny thicket]

bro fixed 100+ overlapping lights (by reducing their radius) and UE 5 optimization 101 for demonstrating his **"abilities" **

[coarse linden]

From my experience TAA is and will be crap and really hope they come up with universal DLAA type of crap

[grave radish]

DLAA is TAA

[coarse linden]

Technically yes with added ML bs

[grave radish]

The thing is that all AA is crap in one way or another

FXAA, SMAA, MSAA, TAA, none of them are the promised lands, they all have different trade-offs and coverages

[plucky quail]

Are you a person that plays and wants more fps so you don’t need ghosting?

[tawny thicket]

yeah, it has a lot more variables for deciding wether or not to keep things from past frames
thus it looks better than TAA

[grave radish]

Yes, but I'm also a person who will trade some frames for less aliasing.

[grave radish]

TAA has that too. DLAA is just ML accelerated using whatever black magic and training DLSS has so far. It's the same shit.

[coarse linden]

SuperSampling mastery

[grave radish]

I said "some" frames, not 35 (':

[coarse linden]

lol

[tawny thicket]

yeah, thats why i said "a lot more variables"

[plucky quail]

That’s not the only thing you gonna need to trade in

[grave radish]

None of which are exposed to the end user with ease

Anyway, DLSS, Frame Gen, give me all of that shit. Plenty of decent implementations of this stuff, GSC simply has a skill issue imo when it comes to the ghosting imo.

[tawny thicket]

yeah, cuz all those variables are part of the AI model
and i dont think anyone would like to go searching for variables in there

[plucky quail]

They trade time and money for worse image and performance + a little no love in

[tawny thicket]

its not like the current rendering techniques have ZERO benefit over older ones.....

[grave radish]

DLSS Quality is basically free frames most of the time tbh.

And I've preferred most TAA implementations ever since it was a thing in games. I can't stand aliasing.

[plucky quail]

But those are not devs that develop render techniques

[tawny thicket]

make that 95%
(if you run out of VRAM in the process)

[grave radish]

Even native 4k without TAA can still be pretty jaggy so I'm not particularly sold on supersampling unless it's a super old game tbh.

Yeah if I'm playing half life 2 I'll run that shit at 6k and still get 300 frames. Totally. But that's not gonna fly in Stalker 2. Or even Stalker 1.

[plucky quail]

I would not know a PC that can’t run stalker 1 with SSAA even a 3050 can do it.

[grave radish]

Yeah maybe vanilla

[tawny thicket]

here is FSR AA VS FXAA VS NO AA in satisfactory with fast motion : https://imgsli.com/MzcyMjUx/2/1
(the differences couldnt really be seen IRL while recording for this commparison)
"fast motion" means : maximum camera movement from left to right with a controller

also : locked 60fps cuz *FSR's sharpness does (slightly) depend on your refresh rate

the bigger the difference between frames the more smeary/blurry it becomes

[grave radish]

Damn ok I was wrong I wasnt using transformer model DLSS properly. Forced preset K in nvidia app and it looks SO much more stable now

[tawny thicket]

maybe nothing interesting but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxY7q2nV2A8

[plucky quail]

What is that all about XD

Just random Livestream?

[hoary copper]

How's the performance of stalker 2 now?

I haven't been here for a while

[plucky quail]

I did only play yesterday again

[hoary copper]

I just noticed they won't update the engine

Not in near future...

[hoary copper]

How was it?

[spare coral]

Same as day 1

[hoary copper]

Jeez

No wonder this game is dying..

[plucky quail]

Not good

Still have now somehow more stutter and well fps is....

[hoary copper]

With the phrase: it's easier to run cyberpunk

[plucky quail]

100

I also have no idea how they want to get the visual better with how bad the game on it self is made

And sill no Alife

[hoary copper]

Let's be brutally honest. They ran low on money budget so they had to release it. In reality they needed another 2 min year of development

[tawny thicket]

I get 20% more fps CPU bound now than in 1.0

[plucky quail]

Yea but they had a long time at some point you need to say stop.

[plucky quail]

That could also be with the updates to that A-life

[hoary copper]

True

If they had used more updated engine..maybe it would've been better

[past escarp]

or if they used ue4

[hoary copper]

Tho I have heard that future new cyberpunk will have unreal engine 5

[hoary copper]

Pretty much. The current ue5 is hot garbage. Cyberpunk is much more easy to run

And looks better

[plucky quail]

This game till here is nothing insane. No A-life, not finished UI, no real side missions, not good FPS, Map parts missing,,,

Would be cool if we had something except the main missions

[hoary copper]

Super undercooked bread

Outside looks fine until you cut it in half and see the inside...yikes

[past escarp]

at this point i believe its just a dough, not a bread

[hoary copper]

Yup in a bread tray

[past escarp]

not even a bread, its not even been in oven to be called bread

[hoary copper]

Play dough

[hoary copper]

Mmm delicious

[plucky quail]

The witcher gonna use.
But those devs are Luckily more qualified to handle this broken mess of a engine.

[past escarp]

potata

[hoary copper]

I'm worried for future cd project red

[plucky quail]

Me too. Giving up a engine for short term gain is always bad idea

[hoary copper]

Since now there's now less game developers and more activist working on the game

[hoary copper]

Honestly I'm scared of future for gaming

[plucky quail]

Luckily i have a game maker that i love and always look for

They have there own engine since 2010 and it works perfect.
Eugen systems is such a good game maker.

[hoary copper]

Nice

[tawny thicket]

Especially a GOOD engine

[coarse linden]

Long term savings. They get to downsize studio alot and hire people who already know the engine when needed and kick them out when not. Without union those devs will be shafted hard with that future

[hard juniper]

real cyberpunk on launch ran better than stalker

[plucky quail]

Those are always some paid labor for period of time. The cost gonna stay the same. And for people that know they only gonna get kicked out after 3 Months they are gonna work less. We see that already on games that are just bad.

But what i mean with Short term gain is the games gonna suffer even more cuz the team consist of 10 people and the rest is some 90 day labor. Those games are not gonna be good and so the profit gonna suffer. Even if they can cut 50% of staff.

[coarse linden]

Point is they get to hire from large pool of plebs

If UE becomes industry standard engine which at this rate it will AAA studio heads benefit since generally saved money goes into their bonuses

Amount of slop will increase and pretty sure passion of some developers will die out since they will be reduced into basically conveyor workers

[plucky quail]

Yea sadly not gonna make the games better. I think we had the era in 2013-2018.

Got corporate like all the other entertainments.

[coarse linden]

With automated tools games will feel even more alike and add UE into that it the joke that "play 1 unreal engine game and you have played them all" becomes even more real

[plucky quail]

It also makes me sick that UE5 is not even a Game Engine. Its a general engine that can do many things.
So the focus is not even on that. And with that big Monopoly we will get a really bad engine worse than before. With focus on other corporate needs, than a focus on gaming.
Thats even what the Chief Engineer on CD Red said.

[coarse linden]

Well as is with many things people need to learn it the hard way

[plucky quail]

We need to stop funding it.
Good that Indie is doing good

[coarse linden]

Still laughing at how everyone and their mother was demanding every UE4 game to "upgrade" to UE5 lol

Now days those peeps gone quite silent

[plucky quail]

There is always this vocal group

[coarse linden]

Peeps tried it with NHL and whatnot games and you can see how well that worked out

[plucky quail]

Maybe its gonna heal on it self. Who knows maybe in 5 years we will say to befesta, EA, CD Red, as dead companys. One is already dead (Ubisoft)

[coarse linden]

It needs to crash and burn before that can happen

And sweeney probably needs to kick the bucket

But hey atleast we got old games we can get back to

[plucky quail]

If not the GPUs make them unusable before

[coarse linden]

Thats intel and its cinebench cores

[hollow kettle]

I just had a dude in another server tell me my game is stuttering “because my 13600kf is only 6 core cpu” and “the e cores are not real” 🤪

Apparently, E cores are virtual. Not real! 😄

[past escarp]

didn`t intel changed number of cores in 12th gen?

[hollow kettle]

That’s when they introduced the hybrid architecture I believe. Being P cores and E cores

[pure ibex]

Well they might as well be since they don’t make your pc any better at gaming

[tawny thicket]

Ehh
E-cores might as well not exist when gaming
BUT 6 cores don't cause stutters lol

[hollow kettle]

With the exception of a handful of games that seem to not utilize hybrid architecture properly, e cores do help with 1% lows, background tasks and stuttering in some cases. Other times (like star citizen) idk if it is engine issue or what but it causes stuttering and decrease performance. I’m gonna try running on VULKAN instead of dx11 and see if it is any better for my system. If not, I’ll test with process lasso even though I don’t really want to 😅

[coarse linden]

Probably scheduler assigning game stuff to e cores which shouldnt happen

And if you are on win10 with those intel cpus you just screw yourself

Since for win10 scheduler all cores are equal so it doesnt see any difference between P and E cores

[hollow kettle]

I’m on windows 11. But what is scheduler ?

[coarse linden]

Thread scheduler that decides which cores get assigned for stuff

[hollow kettle]

Is that in windows or a third party software?

[coarse linden]

Part of windows

[hollow kettle]

Only thing I can find it task scheduler

[past escarp]

i guess its not a programm, rather it is like part of the system

[hollow kettle]

So I can’t define how I want it to prioritize cores without either disabling in bios or downloading third party software?

[past escarp]

i guess

[hollow kettle]

Oh well I’m not worried about it. All my other games run fine and I’m not spending money on that star citizen. It is fun but man the issues it has makes stalker look like the most polished game of this century

[plucky quail]

I tried the scheduling out. If maybe that is the problem and i can say NO

Very consistent the Stutters.
In other games i didnt test cuz i did not play many other till now.
Only Warthunder where it has no problem and R6 also no.
Star Citizen Could be also because its not really finished. Other games are fine. Maybe i can try other game later out like R.U.S.E or GoT or the Witcher.

What i also can see it in. If no Nvidia user has Stutter issues that it could mean maybe the Driver is bit fu* in some games. Maybe 25.3.2 fixes it?
Cant tell.

[hollow kettle]

I am on 25.3.2 there is optional download on amd website

It does seem maybe a bit better than 25.3.1 did for my 9070 at least

[plucky quail]

I can try to reset to 24.12.1

Test that one. If that doesnt work then it must be the game