#pc-specs

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pure ibex
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all of them happen on asus

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except gpus

next inlet
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Boards yes, gpus no... amd 5700xt strix had problems alot of problems

pure ibex
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thats kinda galax now

pure ibex
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thats just dumb

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the days of the asus ares are decades behind us

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lol

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if you want a radeon you buy it from power color

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POWER COLOR PEAK

next inlet
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Well i wish i learned that when i had mine back in 2019-2020 :/

pure ibex
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asus just makes radeons as a side hustle lol

coarse linden
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uh.. 5700XT was the product that made me forsake AMD GPU's for good

pure ibex
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yah

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they kinda just suck in generally

coarse linden
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Abysmal drivers

pure ibex
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yup

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6000 and 7000 were much better in that regard though

next inlet
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Yeah me too man, the drivers man... feels like a never ending fight with a Demon

late ferryBOT
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plebnation has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

pure ibex
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you can hate the radeon 7 but

coarse linden
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Pfft I aint typing that again

pure ibex
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at least its drivers worked

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lol

coarse linden
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Only reason i would go back to radeons is if they magically manage to match raytracing and make FSR not suck

pure ibex
next inlet
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But yeah i heard amd gpus are getting better thankfully

pure ibex
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there yah go

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grabbed your message from the trash pile lol

coarse linden
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lol thanks

pure ibex
coarse linden
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Think i already bought 3080 so didnt look that way

pure ibex
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if you mod them

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which is very easy to do

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you can fully unlock the power limit on them

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and they can overclock A LOT

coarse linden
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I just run mine with slight down volt

next inlet
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Undervolting a amd cpu is pretty interesting too its complicated but its worth it in the end

pure ibex
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30 series doesnt really oc

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i own a 3090

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thing sucks

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no oc at all

coarse linden
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Keeps it nice in cool with losing like 1 fps lol

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Got mine at MSRP and shop was selling these things in queue

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For some folk it took over 1 year to get their order

pure ibex
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i got insanely lucky

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so i got my 3090 in like december 2020

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i was in que right behind the guy who got the last strix 3090 i was trying to get

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but he cancelled his order

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so it then fell to me

coarse linden
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I ordered in september and got it around january

next inlet
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Yeah thats what i heard too about the 3000s it sucks but msi allows me to oc it kinda but i dont really do it

pure ibex
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for what ever reason

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i ended up buying it all the way at the bottom of the state below me

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how idk

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but its what happened

coarse linden
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Now that shop sells stuff with "buy order raffle"

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To not repeat same hit they took with 30 series

pure ibex
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it kinda just blows

coarse linden
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Some talks that Nvidia might go back to samsung node in future

pure ibex
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i feel thats unlikely

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unless they strike some crazy good deal

coarse linden
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I mean TSMC is getting stupidly expensive

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They increased prices 10% this year already if i recall correctly

next inlet
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Slicon be very expensive in general

pure ibex
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silicon its self is not expensive

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its made in japan

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it costs roughly 1000 dollars per

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300mm wafer

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for the disk its self

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the expensive part is impanting it

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the cost comes from the RND

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process its self has not really changed in price to execute

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only RND cost

coarse linden
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Id imagine if Nvidia went up a node for this gen prices would have gone up more

pure ibex
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blackwell is 2nm isnt it

coarse linden
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no

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Its exactly same as 40 series

pure ibex
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5nm

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fuck

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well explains the increase in power draw lol

coarse linden
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Nvidia adopting "tick-tock"? lol

next inlet
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Oh oof thats not good

coarse linden
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3nm is stupidly expensive

pure ibex
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realistically amd should surpass nvidia at some point due to there manfucaturing tech costing way less

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but idk when that will happen

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nvidia will likely at some point hit a brick wall

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with in the next 10 years

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well

coarse linden
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eventually there will be chiplets

pure ibex
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yes

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but thats where amd will get the jump on them

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cus they are already doing it

coarse linden
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Maybe

pure ibex
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intels tech for it is also interesting

coarse linden
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Considering how much Nvidia can throw into R&D

pure ibex
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there usings amds silicon interposer

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to build the entire cpu

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piece by piece

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intels another thing entirely though tbh

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id bet good money there basically just completly fucked

coarse linden
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Heh i abandoned Intel CPUs when they went stuck on skylake+++ and refused to look at their way until they abandon that big.LITTLE for desktops

pure ibex
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i think intels best course of action

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is to sell all of there fabs

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its the only way to save the company

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they are simply not capable of doing both anymore

coarse linden
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pretty much

pure ibex
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if they sell the fabs they might be able to dump enough money into rnd to refloat the rapidly sinking cpu ship

coarse linden
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and make product that doesnt require own solar farm to run

pure ibex
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other option is to spin off the cpu part as its own company

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and just do only fabs

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but issue with that is

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no one wants to use there node

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cus it fucken sucks

coarse linden
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heh

pure ibex
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there are better options for far less money

coarse linden
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Intel is not really known for making those kind of good decisions

pure ibex
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go ask GF or any number of the 10 thousand small Chinese fabs

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they can make your chip for the same or less than what ever intels best offer is

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or the french

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them too

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germans swiss etc etc etc

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but anyways back to the topic of pc hardware

coarse linden
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Did those mid end amd boards release yet

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what do they call those B850 or 860?

pure ibex
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your thinking intel

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radeons are rx 9070 xt

coarse linden
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motherboards

pure ibex
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oh

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so the funny thing about them is

coarse linden
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i swear that naming scheme is so stupid now that they are so close lol

pure ibex
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they are basically exacly the same spec wise

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as what came before

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only real difference is they now support cudimms

coarse linden
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x870 boards are a scam

pure ibex
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they are if you dont care about mem performance

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people are very excited for the asus x870e apex

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which is for cudimm oc

coarse linden
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that whole grippled pci-e lanes just because of usb4

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so you cant have over 2 m.2's without killing GPU PCI-e lane to x8

glass vault
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Give us more pcie lanes

coarse linden
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Some boards if you added that 2nd m.2 it already killed GPU lanes

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And they advertise some boards with 4 m.2 slots that you cant realistically even use because of that

pure ibex
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back in the day they used pcie bridge chips

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to boost the number of lanes you had

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they should bring those back

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like the nv2000 chip

coarse linden
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Since if i fail to aquire RTX card i might as well just get the whole 9800x3d bs

pure ibex
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that chip was a fucken piece of shit but

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it did boost your pcie lanes

pure ibex
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im hopping the 9950x3d can push higher

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ccds will be a higher bin

coarse linden
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OC was fun back in the days with little competition with forum folk. Not anymore

pure ibex
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eh

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its still fun

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just gotta temper your expectations

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unless your wielding a phase changer

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in which case all bets are off lol

coarse linden
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DIY watercooling shenanigans and all that

pure ibex
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nah

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compressor coolers

coarse linden
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It was fun

pure ibex
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thats the real shit

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sub zero at home

coarse linden
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But those fun people are gone, moved on with their lifes

pure ibex
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considering how much quiter compressors are now

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im surprised they have not made a come back

coarse linden
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Im really getting old pffff

pure ibex
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overclocking still has a massive community

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people like buildzoid on youtube

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have massive followings

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goes super in depth on what is good and what is not

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what to buy and not to buy

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and what numbers work and what dont

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and why

next inlet
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ok headphones, what do you guys use as headphones? i have some corsair headphones

pure ibex
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i have Sennheiser hd 560s

coarse linden
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beyerdynamic dt770

pure ibex
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there fine

coarse linden
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Once you abandon those 1337 gaming youghurt cans there is no going back

next inlet
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mine when i charge it says "CHARGING BATTERY" sometimes alot for some reason

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then again im using an old cord for it, since the new one got destroyed by my dog lola

pure ibex
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i stopped buying corsair headhpones when i realized they dont sell replacement parts

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so when they break out of warranty thats it

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my old pair

coarse linden
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Roccat Kave was interesting

pure ibex
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the mic broke

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its fully removable and replaceable

coarse linden
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"real 5.1" in headphones lol

pure ibex
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EXCEPT not because corsair did not sell replacements

coarse linden
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Yeap because gamers just buy new pair instead of repairing

pure ibex
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i mean

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they made it impossible

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lol

coarse linden
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No need for that since they just buy new pair

pure ibex
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mics cant just be fixed

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but anways got a standalone mic now and a standalone pair of headphones

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and both work great

coarse linden
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Studio headphones and modmic good to go

pure ibex
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have an elgato mic

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from what i found online it was basically the best you could get for like 150 bux so

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i went for that

next inlet
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i have a blue yeti as a mic still functinal after along time of use lol

coarse linden
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modmic works for me just fine

pure ibex
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i might invest in an actual audio set up for my headphones at some point

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but for now i just plug em in the back of the motherboard and am happy with that

coarse linden
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Heh i actually still use soundcard

pure ibex
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last creative labs customer spotted in the wild

coarse linden
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SoundBlaster Z bought it long time ago

pure ibex
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how do you even use it

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thats a pci card

coarse linden
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yeah plug it in and good to go really

pure ibex
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how

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your motherboard has a pci slot?

grizzled drift
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who wants my 7800x3d and 4090, need to upgrade to 9800x3d and 5090

pure ibex
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for free

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ill take

grizzled drift
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yep free , free shipping too

next inlet
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can i have the 4090?

pure ibex
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no

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i called it first

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piss off pal

grizzled drift
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Jack got it first buddy

coarse linden
glass vault
pure ibex
coarse linden
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Works surprisingly well still even when creative is arse with its software and drivers

grizzled drift
pure ibex
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real talk id buy your 4090 for like 1k but

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im not sure how i can trust you wont run off with my money lol

next inlet
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dam it i really need a new GPU though :/

coarse linden
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Kinda funny that i have never been interested in 90 cards lol

grizzled drift
pure ibex
grizzled drift
coarse linden
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Tbh i would rather trust indian microsoft tech support lol

next inlet
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than a discord mod?

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or i read that wrong xD

coarse linden
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I mean pretty much either way

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Just because you are mod doesnt earn my trust smile_scar

next inlet
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reminds me of that trade offer meme lol

pure ibex
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strike when the iron is hot

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my hardware colleciton has many rare pieces for this reason

coarse linden
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Want GTX 1070 Strix to it too

pure ibex
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no

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i already have the coolest 1070

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1070 katana

coarse linden
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Pfff but what if you would collect 1 of each strix cards

pure ibex
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i would have 2

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old asus strix cards

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are insanely rare

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and not worth looking for

coarse linden
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Get 20 and make epoxy table out of those

pure ibex
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like the ares or mars

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both of which only 1000 of each are made

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mars is a super cracked gtx 295

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ares is a super cracked radeon hd 5970

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both have upgraded vram over stock

coarse linden
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Tbh im not even sure what pc hardware i have

pure ibex
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i had an ares

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but it was dead

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so i returned it to the seller

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super sad about that

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such a rare card

coarse linden
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I have about 10 large boxes full of old hardware since somewhere from 1994 that i didnt manage to sell and just put in storage

pure ibex
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but i dont really collect anymore

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im more about cars these days

coarse linden
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Heh only car i ever paid over 3k was my work van

pure ibex
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ive been jdm pilled

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im cursed to be poor forever now

coarse linden
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lol

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Eh being poor is simple life

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No need to worry about buying something stupidly expensive for sake of buying

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and learn not to want unnecessary crap

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Says pleb whos considering buying RTX 50 card

glass vault
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buying a 700$ card is alot different then buying a brand new car

pure ibex
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well id never buy a new car

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id pay far more than the price of a new car

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for an old car

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like my beloved

glass vault
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or just know someone who is loaded

pure ibex
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i wish

glass vault
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blessing and a curse trust me

flat brook
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From my experience, people who are also into cars/motorcycles tend to have a very moderate setup in terms of pricing compared to their vehicles/maintenance

pure ibex
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im only interested in this dudes 4090 cus it might be a good deal

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im praying miPrayge

glass vault
pure ibex
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dunno idk the price yet

glass vault
pure ibex
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but

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we can agree to disagree

glass vault
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80s firebird engine idc its mainly the body

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but rotary engines sound dope. just like 80s firebird for a body and paint design

coarse linden
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Pff 90's old arse BMW with 1.6L, busted heater and back windows are not air tight lol

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Cost me 800€ when i bought it about 13 years ago

glass vault
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1k shitboxes winning

coarse linden
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Only 64k driven so practically brand new really

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Old gentlemens car that family wanted to get rid off when he died

pure ibex
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very lucky find

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recently bought a subaru impreza 2014

glass vault
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240k mile honda still working

pure ibex
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in 5 speed manual

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i kinda wanted a 2006 acura RSX type s

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but there super rare with less than 200k miles lol

glass vault
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lexus rx350 feel so nice to drive

pure ibex
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ls300 is super cool

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id have bought an older one

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with a 1uz but

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BUT

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they do not come in manual so

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hard pass from me

glass vault
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lexus sedans are so niceeee

coarse linden
pure ibex
coarse linden
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finally he got pissed enough and just ordered tow truck to make it into a cube

pure ibex
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this one is na so

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hopefully no problems

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low miles too

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76k miles

coarse linden
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It was kinda funny to watch how he got these flashy and refined cars only to end up with 1L ford fiesta

next inlet
pure ibex
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there is a place in new hampshire

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my mums friend owns

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she repairs legendary rare cars

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like the gt40 driven by ken miles at the 24 hours of le mans

next inlet
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we had one in our town last year it was awsome, seeing all the old cars from 50s 60s and 70s some even had the original receits with them and how they restored them

pure ibex
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my heart lies with only one beauty

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the mazda FD rx7

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it is my lifes true and only ambition to own that car

next inlet
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i want to see an actual ford gran Torino 1976, my dad said they had one back then too but they sold it sadly

pure ibex
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my grand dad

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had a super rare truck

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a 1974 mazda rotary pick up truck

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only 11k were made in total

hollow kettle
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Dlss 4 is good

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Much better imo

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Even performance mode now looks like previous dlss version balanced. Quality is nearly indistinguishable from native it’s great. Less vram usage with Frame Gen also. Wish I could try that mfg. looks insane from what I saw on YouTube

stable kite
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Friday and no patch for the weekend meh

lavish mason
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they hit profitability and did their bare minimum "we released at least a few months too early to be feature complete, have a "were sorry" few essential patches that barely fix anything" thing so, i guess we have to lump it

pure ibex
hard juniper
vestal tusk
pure ibex
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All the current reviews are for the some what meh founders card

vestal tusk
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fair we need to see its OC potential and fair yeah FE card doesnt look appealing

pure ibex
hard juniper
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tbh it's not like anyone is actually gonna be able to get their hands on one

pure ibex
delicate elbow
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They technically didn't lie, since it can do that much better than the 4090 with all their tech turned on

But with apples-to-apples settings, it's typically 20-30% faster for 20-30% more power and die area
It performs like a 4090 Ti would have

pure ibex
delicate elbow
pure ibex
hard juniper
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seriously? lmao absolutely no reason to upgrade if you're got a 40 series card already then
that's great news

delicate elbow
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I’m pretty sure I’ve seen Nvidia say that multi framegen is 50 series exclusive

I know that they’re improving the single framegen and upscaling parts of DLSS, are you sure you aren’t thinking of that

hard juniper
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i'm finding some articles saying that it might come to 40 series eventually according to a DF interview

vestal tusk
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MFG is awful imo seeing more fake frames then real ones sadboy

pure ibex
tawny thicket
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all i heard is that the 30 series might get regular FG

wooden rapids
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Call me when there’s an optimization patch

hard juniper
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set a timer for one year

pure ibex
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Either way If 5090 hits 3ghz that would be pretty huge

tight urchin
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"We are aiming to have fixes for Rostok memory leak and some performance improvements in the next patch"
I hope with "some perf improvs" we get quite a few actually :S

hard juniper
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tbh i'm worried that performance will never really be great

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then again i'm done with the game so it doesn't bother me too much, just concerned for others that keep asking

pure ibex
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First none founders review dropped

vestal tusk
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Watching now

vestal tusk
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those temps for pcie cord is kinda freaky lol

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esp when you OC

pure ibex
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But I get the impression it’s power limited

vestal tusk
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i saw it jump in video to 775ish watts on that little screen when the cord is rated for 600 watts

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the preformance itself isnt all that good imo

pure ibex
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Big kahoona

plucky quail
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I am a bit scared of the 5090 not having a Hotspot temp and some user not seeing the heat problem and thus there GPU dies. Could be big problem

pure ibex
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If you look in this review

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It’s super power limited

plucky quail
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Yea next gen should be more exciting when its 2n. The power should be lower and GPUs faster. We got now cooler that are as big as the 4090TI prototype cooler.

pure ibex
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I mean I think the 5090 really is wants to draw like 800 watts but

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The single Tiny connector can’t safely provide that much

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You would need active cooking for the fucken power connector lol

plucky quail
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THe gpu does not go on the Motherboard, the motherboard goes on the GPUsmile_scar

vestal tusk
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It's actually crazy how big goes are getting lol

plucky quail
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Dont get why AMD did go the Monolithic Die this time. They had something with the 7000

vestal tusk
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I'm interested in seeing how big the 6090 will be after the 50xx series is over

opaque moat
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FE shrank, the AiB's might be bigger

spare coral
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5 slot gpu

pure ibex
plucky quail
hollow kettle
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All this talk of 5090 but I’m only interested in 5070 chad

opaque moat
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the bench's are nice but meh, i never go above RTX **80's i dont have a work station. and no money to throw away

tawny thicket
spare coral
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5070/70ti might be the real mvps

pure ibex
tawny thicket
pure ibex
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Cus maybe the die is super small

tawny thicket
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and those show it being monolithick

wooden rapids
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30% more performances for 30% more power

wooden rapids
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AMD really said RNDA4 features not for 7900xtx and not gonna release a better or similar performance card
then got greedy, trying to price new cards higher because they thought Nvidia would raise their gpu prices again, and now stuck talking to AIBs and retailers regarding the money refunds and trying to match nvidia new features, pushing launch to March.

As that being said, Multiple retailers have 9070XT siting in stock

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stupid dogs of a division lmao. I bet my balls it’s going to be another flop.

hard juniper
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amd try to not shoot themselves in the foot challenge

pure ibex
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Radeons are never gonna pull ahead till Nvidia drops monolithic die

tawny thicket
flat brook
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The frequency of silly people here has risen the past month, I hope that’s not a pattern I’m sensingP_sus

wooden rapids
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Isn’t Blackwell architecture just chiplet? Or is that reserved for the much bigger llm data center chips?

pure ibex
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Your think of hbm

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But that’s not chiplets

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That’s just vram

wooden rapids
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HBM is high bandwidth memory I know that

pure ibex
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It looks like chiplets

wooden rapids
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GB202 is a monolithic design I’m well aware of that

pure ibex
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But no no plans atm from nvidia to make chiplets far as I’ve heard or seen

pure ibex
wooden rapids
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Yeah yeah, not when you have over 80% mkt shares. Largest goddam company in the world, cult like followers.

More like 10 consecutive stumbles

pure ibex
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The balance of power has shifted many times

wooden rapids
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Not in the foreseeable future

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anyway, any news mods for Stalker 2 optimization?

pure ibex
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Nothing that’s gonna be miles better than what’s been out there

royal scroll
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i have RTX 3070 TI, Intel i10-10850k (OC 5.2Ghz), 32Gb ddr5.
im running the game at 1440p high with dlss and fsr enabled
i get around 110 fps and 60-70fps in populated areas.
whenever i scope in with my weapon the game instantly drops to around 10fps.
is this a bug, a hardware issue or bad optimisation?
please let me know

plucky quail
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How much % does the 5080 gonna have over the 4080Super? Raster

victor_answer_votes

2

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4

victor_answer_id

8

victor_answer_text

10%

tawny thicket
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after the 5090 reveiws : do you expect the 5080 to beat (or match) the 4090? (without MFG)

victor_answer_votes

6

total_votes

6

victor_answer_id

2

victor_answer_text

NO.

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598839708474408971

victor_answer_emoji_name

smile_scar

glass vault
pure ibex
random folio
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hey can anyone help me get stalker 2 working properly? i have some good specs, but i notice that they are not being fully utilised and im dropping frames. frametime also spikes a ton. any help appreciated. rtx4070 i5 13500 32gb ram, ssd, only discord as my other open tab

uneven portal
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no no, 5080 no, 4080 ti

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I'm amazed by people who think frame generation will save them. Games like Stalker 2, which already have so many visual bugs caused by Lumen, will only make these issues more noticeable with this technology, creating even more artifacts than there already are.

glacial rune
random folio
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2k

glacial rune
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Where do you notice most spiking?

random folio
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anywhere really its just random stutters no matter where i am

hollow kettle
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I have only tested cyberpunk so far. On my 4060 at 1080p dlss 4 performance with frame Gen is getting me 130-165 fps in dlc area ~7.3gb vram max settings aside from path tracing and performance looks a bit better than 3.8 balanced. It’s actually kinda insane

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I’m impressed tbh. Can’t even really tell difference from dlss 4 quality vs native taa (dlss has less ghosting for sure). 4 Balanced looks like 3.8 quality. Frame Gen using less vram is nice. Latency went down from ~12ms to now ~8ms (both with nvidia reflex enabled)

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Going to run stalker in a bit to test

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If it got dlss 4 support that is. Idek. Haven’t kept up with stalker in weeks

rare temple
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Anyone have an RX-7600 XT and playing this game? I'm wanting to upgrade from my GTX1660 and I don't want to spend past $325. I was looking at the RTX-4060, but that only has 8gb of RAM, and with newer games coming out wanting 12-16, the RX 7600 XT seems like a better option to future proof with 16gb VRAM. Just curious how well or bad it performs with this game.

hollow kettle
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Only 1 game I have had vram issue with my 4060. Indiana jones

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Sure more vram is better for future but it really isn’t a dealbreaker imo. 4060 is a very good card for the price imo

rare temple
hollow kettle
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I’ve never heard of that game when did it release

rare temple
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May 2025. It's the next installment of Doom. 8gb cards can only do 1080p low settings at 60 fps.

hollow kettle
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Same with Indiana jones but that game is still beautiful on low textures

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At the end of the day just go with whatever you feel like is the best for the budget you have

rare temple
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I would just hate to purchase that card and in a year or two, it can't handle other games except at very low settings. I'm a budget type of gamer, hence why my PC I built back in 2020 used a GTX-1660. I'm hung up between the RTX-4060 8gb or the RX 7600 XT 16gb.

hollow kettle
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I’ve never used amd gpu. Have you looked into Intel? Idk if they even have them in stock yet. Just make sure to explore as many options as you can

rare temple
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Intel has too many issues with my CPU, whereas the AMD and nVidia perform better with my CPU (Ryzen 5 3600).

hollow kettle
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I just upgraded from 1070 to 4060 couple months ago. But I got a crazy deal only reason

rare temple
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Intel only seems to perform better with non-budget CPUs which is wild. They might fix it later on with a driver update, but too many tests have shown you need a higher-end CPU to get better performance out of the Intel cards.

hollow kettle
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Is your gpu like done for? Or still going? Could always try to save a bit more to get a better card maybe

rare temple
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Plus, Intel B series is hard to get at the MSRP. Most are going for over $350 USD. That's too much for me. The 4060 and 7600 XT are much cheaper.

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That's what I'm trying to do is save up. The GTX-1660 isn't dying, but I can't play most newer games that require hardware raytracing, like Indiana Jones, the upcoming Doom Dark Ages, and just so many Unreal Engine games, like this, play okay, but are a blurry mess.

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Even Ninja Gaiden 2 Black, which states a GTX-1060 min, GTX-1080 max, looks like garbage. It's also on Unreal Engine 5, so my GPU just doesn't do well with that engine as far as looking nice. Just a blurry mess no matter what upscaling I use or not.

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I know DLSS apparently looks the best, but that 8gb VRAM concerns me as more and more games are requiring more VRAM for higher settings. Sooner or later, 8gb I think will no longer be supported. 😦

spare coral
hollow kettle
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UE5 games are just too much for current hardware imo unless you have a dang 4080/90 or something. What about 7700 xt

spare coral
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Settlements will still eat all your gpu and cpu power so dont expect a good framerate there

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I would go for a 6700xt at least or a 7700xt

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Dont be scared of buying an used one imo

rare temple
hollow kettle
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Imo 7700 xt Or try to wait and save for new amd cards releasing later this year

rare temple
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All this attempt to try to make the most "realistic" graphics have resulted in so many software algorithms to try and make things "look" better, but it just looks worse in many respects.

hollow kettle
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Or maybe used rtx card but would be more pricey I’m sure

rare temple
hollow kettle
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I know you said $350 but 7700 xt is $400 and I think ~15% faster than 7600 iirc

rare temple
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Nope. Not going over $325 to $350.

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I don't need to play at the highest graphical settings, but as long as it looks pretty good, then I can get away with medium.

hollow kettle
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Well you just have limited options then. Like I said I never used amd cards but I will honestly say 4060 is well worth it for the price imo. For current gaming at least

spare coral
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The 7600xt is a bit better but you lose dlss (it also has more vram)

rare temple
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What I read about the 4060 is DLSS looks much better than FSR, but as I research, many are saying the 8gb RAM is getting to the point of being limiting with newer games coming out. I'll just have to wait and see. lol! Thanks for helping out though!

spare coral
rare temple
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Yeah I was about to say the same. I don’t think 8gb vram will be an issue for another few years at least tho

rare temple
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But that 16gb of VRAM in the 7600 XT seems really nice too.

spare coral
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Nah most games are choking with 8gb rn even with 10gbs

rare temple
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Can you imagine the 5090 with 32gb???? Man.

hollow kettle
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Indiana jones I run low textures ultra everything else and I get 100+ fps no frame Gen

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VRAM never maxed

spare coral
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I have a rx 6700 of 10gbs (just a tiny bit faster than a rx7600xt) and the 10gbs still isnt enough for some games

spare coral
rare temple
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Well, that is on iD Tech engine, and iD has always been good at optimizing their games and their engines.

hollow kettle
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Medium textures is a big performance hit

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Compared to low. And doesn’t look much different

rare temple
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yeah, id states for 8gb cards, it has to be at 1080p low settings to get 60 fps.

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That's for their latest id tech engine which Indiana Jones and the upcoming Doom Dark Ages uses.

hollow kettle
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Indiana jones low looks like most games high lol

rare temple
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how does this game look? And how is the performance?

hollow kettle
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I’ve never experienced path tracing or anything like that so idk there. But with low textures max every other setting it looks good. Real good

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I cap my fps at 90 on that game but I was getting 100+

spare coral
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This game on low looks decent but the framerate isnt that much better on low to medium end cards

hollow kettle
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I run 1080p tho

rare temple
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It might be awhile before I have enough money saved up. Hopefully, 4060s will still be around. lol. And I'll be at 1080p myself. Not getting a 1440p monitor any time soon. Plus it's capped at 60 hz. ugh.

hollow kettle
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Mine is 165hz but not too many games I can get that frame rate on the settings that look pretty lol

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I would just get the 7600xt or if you can save more/wait go for a new budget amd card when they release. If they aren’t all sold out that is

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I have already started saving. I think I might go amd next time around. I hear they are working on fsr to maybe compete with dlss. But dlss4 just blew them out of the water so idk

long geyser
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Has anyone tried the new dlss model on s2?

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preset j

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because your 0.1% and 1% lows are bad. Same thing here, 5800x3d, 4090
average framerate around 165 (capped) but with 1% recordings dropping as low as 30 fps

plucky quail
# plucky quail

I am amazed that some think its gonna be 10% really Optimistic

opaque moat
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first of all....when you poll you should (at) everyone.

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the 50 series was built with MFG to be used. not to turn it off. zak

grizzled drift
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Yeah I don't really get the purpose of buying a certain card with certain features just to turn them off, may as well not even buy it

hollow kettle
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I’m impressed even with updated frame Gen on 40 series. At least cyberpunk anyway. It looks soooo much smoother and cleaner. Feels more responsive as well. Less stutters

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Saw zwormz test 5090 in cyberpunk and mfg with path tracing was insane. 200+ fps and looked fairly smooth. But as always with FG you can tell it’s not native if that makes sense. It is getting a lot better though

grizzled drift
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I agree its definitely getting better, looks much cleaner too

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Much less ghosting is nice too see

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less blur overall it seems

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Im interested in that Reflex 2 tho

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for input latency

plucky quail
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Where does the fact change? Nobody gonna include FG in the Performance of the card. Most people want just more raw FPS. Without extra stuff. If you are after framegen and think thats something that is what will improve your games do it. But 4X FG is useless. You are using FG to smooth it. 4X is just for the numbers. U cant use 4X on 30FPS base game where it would be useful.

flat brook
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As is with all technologies/software, early days implementation leave a lot to be desired, but this is likely heading down a path where in 10-15 years, 4X FG might not come with a latency hit at all.

Hardware progression is slowing down, unless you add a ridiculous amount of power delivery into the mix and unfathomable cooling for the average user, as is Moore’s law.

Software however, is clearly making jumps

long geyser
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I wonder if 4x fg will help with 1% lows. No point in having 500fps if the game is going to stutter

hollow kettle
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Watch zwormz play cyberpunk on 5090 if you’re curious. Good video. I’m more interested in 5070 & ti tbh

Also interested in how dlss4 & reflex 2 will be implemented for 40 series and how all that will make games feel. Especially UE5 games

plucky quail
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There are a lot of improvement or changes to Hardware that we can do without just shrinking the gate.
It just needs to be cheaper or reliable enough to be mass produced.
If just using Software would give a real rendered frame than it would be insane good and we all would use it.
Even if we are saying the FG is so good it will not get Artifacts it will not see whats coming around the corner what with a "Real" frame would show. When running at 30FPS it will still have problems. So software has its limitations.

There is still things that could massive improve the hardware like Glass, Graphene, 3D stacking(Is not the AMD X3D 3D staking that i am talking about), Using light as transporting data. And there are many more. Like its not the end how some say. It could be just the beginning of better hardware if you look that way.

hollow kettle
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4090 vs 5090 in 10 games

flat brook
# plucky quail There are a lot of improvement or changes to Hardware that we can do without jus...

While I agree with many of your points, I don’t see those options coming to us in the foreseeable future, especially not when the company that controls 80% of the gamer market share is so heavily invested in AI is running the race, and AMD is seemingly slacking off

AMD either needs to pull an X3D like move with their GPUs to get the advantage on Nvidia, or we’re treading down the same path we are currently on. Simply making equal/slightly worse performing cards compared to their competitor at equal/slightly cheaper pricing clearly isn’t cutting it for them

opaque moat
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Amd needs to do too much to catch up with nvidia. im not the only one that doesnt care about raster performance.

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Ai rendering just gonna keep getting better from here on out

plucky quail
# flat brook While I agree with many of your points, I don’t see those options coming to us i...

All those stuff exist and are working but like i said either price wise good or and reliable is the reason why its still not on the marked. Its just what TSMC or Samsung or any other can announce next week that they will give customers the ability. AMD did the right step with the Chiplets but i have no idea why they abandon it this time. So its on them not using the tech. I could see that again in UDNA.

Sad that Nvidia will not do much on the hardware side, least on our side. It did improve the large Servers.

coarse linden
plucky quail
coarse linden
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Well "matched" Nivida just increased L2 cache size quite alot

plucky quail
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There was also X3D before X3D in the GPU side if you look the Fury X it had 3D stacked Memory but AMD never sticks to there stuff.

coarse linden
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HBM? Still wildly used just not for consumers

plucky quail
coarse linden
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And since its expensive it makes no sense to put it on gamer cards

hollow kettle
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I don’t get why folks are so worked up about this AI stuff from Nvidia

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grizzled drift
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Can't keep brute forcing graphics fidelity

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but everyone will keep screaming for raw raster anyway

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If raw raster could be done, it would have, obviously these new techs are better and will only get better over time

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So much so that it'll look better than Native

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People can hate Nvidia all they want but they're in the position they're in for a reason and have the largest market share for a reason

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Go big or go home

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grizzled drift
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It'll be to a point to where it's happening so fast and so small that only a trained eye would notice it or not even notice it at all

glass vault
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The next big improvement is going to be RT cores which will start to replace shader cores if we do make the jump from light maps to doing light calculation on the GPU

grizzled drift
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Indeed, Ray Tracing has some ways to go but it'll get there

glass vault
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The question now is RT cores going to replace shader cores. For gaming yes but how will it affect other programs

grizzled drift
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Yeah and at that point it's like are you really gonna be that stubborn and play at 60 fps or 240fps

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People say they don't wanna use AI but own a smart phone

glass vault
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I'm taking 240fps over 60. Idc. Ai is going the path of the calculator. People who used them before where called cheaters. Same with ai but you can already see how places are embracing it for programming and grammar

grizzled drift
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Someone will come in here and say its people like us that are ruining things kekl

glass vault
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Far frame gen is the worst example of frame gen. But even the worst case scenario you can get used to it. These systems are alot easier to understand than ai networking where AI will auto complete file data

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grizzled drift
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I think the biggest thing for people with FG is the input latency, and it's also a hard subject to convey to people cause you can't feel it in a video, you have to experience it for yourself, but FG input latency is based on your base or native FPS so the lower your native FPS is, the worse FG is going to feel, but at higher native FPS like 60-80+, FG doesn't feel nearly as bad, but a lot of people will try to use FG at 20 native FPS and say it looks and feels like crap.

I'm hoping this new Reflex 2 can help with that

glass vault
glass vault
grizzled drift
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Yeah, that Reflex 2 is looking really good, and supposed to come to all RTX series cards in the future, hopefully it doesn't take to long

glass vault
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I did see how lossless scaling did x20 mode. Frame gen is gonna be the only way we are gonna use 500hz monitors or higher. But we can only rely on this tech for so long before we need hardware improvements or for game developers to take a turn from making hyper realistic games only and switching to different art styles like borderlands for an example. Graphics are just the big example but not the sole problem there is other issues under the hood. Easier to beat the dead horse

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Huh 5080 is 6% faster in opengl but vulkan 22%. Interesting

grizzled drift
glass vault
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Its also impressive seeing the 5090 being CPU bottlenecked already

grizzled drift
glass vault
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Part of me is also glad that 50 series wasn't a gigantic improvement because my 3080 to got resale value still then

grizzled drift
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NEED a 9800x3d for that thing lol

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at lower res anyway

glass vault
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Gonna be using a 7950x3d for it probably. If I bottleneck it a bit oh well. Need the cores and 5090 for image ai models

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Gonna make those training so short

grizzled drift
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biggest gains at 4k ofc

grizzled drift
glass vault
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4k but go down to 1440p for some of the big games like stalker 2

grizzled drift
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Ah yeah you're fine

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Will be really good for the ai image modeling

glass vault
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I will bring out my 720p TV show it a true bottleneck

glass vault
grizzled drift
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60% increase to performance and no price increase

glass vault
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That was thanks to the clock increase almost a doubling

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Also I think 50 series will show it's true strength later after it's features get implemented

plucky quail
grizzled drift
# plucky quail What

AI is already deeply integrated into many aspects of our daily lives, including our smartphones, social media, navigation apps, digital assistants like Siri and Alexa, smart home devices, online shopping recommendations, email spam filters, and even facial recognition technology, meaning we interact with AI on a regular basis without always realizing it; essentially, AI is present in many of the digital tools we use frequently.

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It's not gonna kill you if it's used in a video game

plucky quail
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Is that ripped from ChatGPT?
I think u are confusing 2 different things. There are algorithms and AI.

Only I can use AI for cooking I don’t use it.

And most people I know don’t use AI daily. Maybe most I know are now counting as Stone Age people 🤷.

I use AI but I don’t need it everywhere

coarse linden
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Nothing AI about email spam filters

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AI have become new buzzword crypto use to be

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And drives people just as crazy

grizzled drift
grizzled drift
coarse linden
grizzled drift
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Recommend you guys watch The Social Dilemma documentary

plucky quail
plucky quail
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Even worst when using AI that Imitates as a Person on social media. So you will have AI that imitates a User like commend and such. Crazy world.

long geyser
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has anyone tried dlss4 in s2? results?

lavish mason
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Sure we destroyed the planet with GPU server farms running the algoryms but for one brief moment we allowed the ai bros to extract maximum value from the market before it popped. Halcion days

glass vault
opaque moat
muted patio
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Hey guys, any of you guys can recommend the best Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 series for Stalker 2 much appreciated thanks guys

plucky quail
opaque moat
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fun fact....get more fps in stalker 2 than allan wake 2 ♿

glass vault
broken needle
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at least you can play 4k with 5090...60fps Dalin

opaque moat
broken needle
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i5-2500k

glass vault
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I am gonna pair it with a xeon 2670 v3

south depot
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I've got myself a RTX 4070 super lately, whats with the massive FPS drops every once in a while?

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Drops from 50-60 to 10-20

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So far i've noticed that happened at Pripyat and Sidorovich

hard juniper
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game is poorly optimised, it's worse when near many npcs

south depot
flint cedar
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does it fix when you restart?

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if so thats just a bug, im on a 4080 s and still get the occational bug where it becomes a slideshow but a restart instantly fixes it

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though i rarely get frame drops or anything

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even on maxed out settings

late ferryBOT
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zcatg has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

flint cedar
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tbf though with a 4080s, 9700x and enough ram for a third of the game files i would not expect frame drops. though the memory leak in rostok has been a pain in the butt still, even with 64 gigs.

south depot
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I've got myself some mod from nexus thats supposed to help, we'll see how it'll be from now on

south depot
flint cedar
south depot
flint cedar
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cyberpunk ate that card for breakfast

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tbf the 20 series was kinda terrible

south depot
flint cedar
south depot
flint cedar
south depot
flint cedar
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you will have to add me as you have unfriended messages off :p

south depot
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On it

glass vault
ornate hamlet
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Does this game run with RT always on? Like even on lowest settings? Then why AMD GPUs do so well in benchmarks, don't they suck at RT?

flint spoke
ornate hamlet
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that sounds extra silly

flint spoke
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lumen is set to pure raster in this game

flint spoke
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i would def like to try it since I have a 4070 Super

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tho not super interested with how cpu demanding the game is rn anyway frenzy regardless ill prob come back after sdk, all dlc is out and maybe just maybe it'll not get bottlenecked so badly just rendering the environment. empty ass wild territory absolutely slaughters my 5800x3d last i checked for example. goofy.

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170 hours was def enough for now for me

plucky quail
tawny thicket
steep hatch
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I don't know how long you've been on the AM4 platform but it's actually crazy as hell to think how long this platform has been around and technically EOL and AMD still gave us those X3Ds.. just one of the many reasons I support my boiz in Red, even if I do wanna take their GPU division and just shake the absolute**** outta them sometimes.

hard juniper
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maybe in a year it'll have improved

long geyser
slow verge
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Scope look so blurry while using dlss

snow torrent
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Tried DLSS4.. tbh i didnt see any difference. Ray recontruction looks awful to me

proud shoal
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anyone noticed rendering problems when theyve manually changed their dlss version?

night badger
snow torrent
clever kindle
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Yeah not seeing anything incredible from 3.7 - 310.1.0.0 looks about the same and honestly I might like how 3.7 looks better, fps is near identical between the two. I’m sure when the S2 dev team releases their patch and dlss4 officially comes out we’ll see more from it.

glass vault
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dlss 4 is better on a fundamental level. model being better trained and the transformer style clearly does a better job. just hard to notice unless you are looking for it

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it does do better with long distance objects. maybe i can finally see the glass anomaly before running straight through it

clever kindle
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On paper maybe, i did side by side comparisons and didn't see that much of a difference.

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Granted its not officially out, so I'm hoping between the S2 patch that's coming out and Nvidia's New driver/DLSS 4 release it'll look/preform alot better.

glass vault
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from what im seeing it does better with see through objects like cyberpunk huds and long distance objects. that was the main benefit

clever kindle
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That might be true in cyberpunk, i was just talking about what im seeing in S2.

grizzled drift
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I mean as with most things, it’s subjective, we don’t all have the same eyes or look for the same things, or may not even know what to look for, so we’re all gonna have different opinions on DLSS4 and we all also have different PC setups and monitors. Lots of variables.

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It’s the same thing with Frame Gen

clever kindle
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i mean that's valid, i was more coming from with how hard Nvidia was selling DLSS 4 + the new 50 series i expected a night and day difference rather then what i was seeing.

glass vault
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the night and day difference is mainly frame rate dlss4 the transformer model might get updated again and better performance

hollow kettle
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Haven’t tried stalker 2 with dlss4 yet but cyberpunk there is a massive difference. Even at 1080p I can use performance mode and not really have any issues. Looks clean. Frame Gen also uses much less vram and latency was 3-5ms lower

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Dlss4 performance looks like previous version dlss balanced in cyberpunk

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Maybe little better actually since there is no ghosting or barely any artifacts. Some shimmer at long distances is all I noticed

glass vault
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glad they also made it 3 types not super performance,performance,balanded,quality and extreme quality. pretty dumb having 3 is what it should be

hollow kettle
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They have 3 only on stalker ?

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Cyberpunk has DLAA, quality, balanced, performance & ultra performance

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& DSR

glass vault
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yeah it used to be 5 different presets which wasn't needed

hollow kettle
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Like xess lol

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Ultra quality - ultra performance

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Xess actually looks good in cyberpunk (not like dlss but better than fsr) I wonder how good xess performs on Intel gpu or if it is same

tawny thicket
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[in raster]

long geyser
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Has anyone tried dlss4 in s2?

plucky quail
# tawny thicket

Who are the guys that are saying like the 4070?? The XTX is even faster than 4070 in RT.

tawdry birch
tawny thicket
glass vault
long geyser
glass vault
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Its gonna happen just a matter of time really

opaque moat
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game been out 2 months, they aint gonna be able to improve performance much more than this.

tawny thicket
opaque moat
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its UE5 afterall

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they should have made the game in UE4. might not have looked as good but with everything people have to tone down for performance , would look the same anyway

glass vault
opaque moat
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no really there is nothing they can do. need better hardware for UE5

hard juniper
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this version of ue5 is just ass

tawny thicket
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the cause off all UE5 stutters

glass vault
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You guys act like the ability to optimise on ue5 is the same as being able to go to a different galaxy this year. Also I don't think they are solely focused on performance as of now rather than bug fixes. Alot of the patch work was on bugs relating to quests etc.

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patches 1.1.3 - 1.1.1 (crash fixes and save bugs)
and 1.1 patch according to patch notes as again focused on crashes and game breaking issues that wouldn't allow you to progress along with balancing

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with a small part being on optimization. half of it relating to controllers

opaque moat
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all ue5 games are hard to run. meh they can try. i dont see anything changing. just feel bad for lower end PC players needing to mod the hell out of it just to play it.

glass vault
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no cephus protocol is made on unreal engine 5 and it runs amazing on old hardware just wanting 2gb of vram. yeah the engine doesn't like old gpus but the gtx 10 series is 8 years old. now it is expected for a 8 year old gpu to be struggling or unable to run new games. happened to me when i got a 1060 my gpu was unable to run due to directx 12 incompatibility

opaque moat
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im redownloading s2 to see if i get more than 125 fps in rostok Vanilla max settings w/ FG havent played it since december 19

glass vault
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what gpu?

opaque moat
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4080s

glass vault
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i was able to get 120fps on 3080ti at 1440p med

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i capped it tho to 60fps pre frame gen

opaque moat
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im on 1440p...run the game on max. no ini file. no mods. just straight vanilla.

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ill see if it changed...im curious

glass vault
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from what i hear is 60-80fps is what people tend to achieve

opaque moat
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ya dlss and fg off thats what i get

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dlaa i get 90-100 if i remember correctly

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in rostok that is. i mention rostok because apparently at the time was a heavy place to be in

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whats this i hear about hair detail hurts performance? or did i hear that from another game?

flat brook
opaque moat
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yeah i looked into that...in order for them to migrate to UE5.5 would basically be a major overhaul

flat brook
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They would have to remake most of their assets, like Ready Or Not had to do with their switch from 5.1 to 5.4, but if it’s something they can do in the background over the next 6 months, it would be well worth the effort

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RoN took about 2 months, considering the scale of S2, I wouldn’t expect to see that within the next 8-12 months however

opaque moat
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shaders took 2 min 29 seconds. they improved that since

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so yeah epic 1440p vanilla dlss+fg is 156 fps standing still in rostok and 115-130 running around. so basically nothing improved yet

glass vault
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i don't blame them for not cranking out optimization patches. makes sense game is in a state that it can be playable for a decent chunk of the player base. rather fix gameplay issues before optimizations.

opaque moat
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Stalker 2 will have DLSS4 support on January 30th

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so its not even in game yet. thought it was.

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cyberpunk the only game running dlss 4 right now according to articles. other games getting it Jan 30.

glass vault
opaque moat
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yeah no thanks lol... ima let the game update it properly

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i just wanna test it out anyway . my days are in alan wake 2 these days

glass vault
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nvidia has a dll file in the game if you swap it then you get the updated version.

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now im curious if the game itself has the nvidia model or is it stored seperatly and the dll just allows access

uneven portal
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I'm sick of the visual bugs, they want us to use frame gen but it only causes the lighting load and visual bugs to last longer and be more annoying.

young wind
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UE5 looks great but it's very hard for it to be optimized. Even harder when a game on the scale of Stalker 2 is using it.

stable kite
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smile_scar Dalin SPAM WHERE IS THE PATCH UNTIL THE MODS GET MAD smile_strelok Sure_I_am

glass vault
young wind
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if the future of gaming is entirely UE5 then I do not have high hopes

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none of those performance mods on nexus work they're all placebo btw

rare temple
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Ninja Gaiden 2 Black is on Unreal Engine 5 and that runs a lot better than this game. But then again, it's a bit different from what Stalker 2 is. But even Robocop is one that I can play, but it does have the same issues as this game. I'd say NG2B is the one UE5 game I can actually run on my machine; AMD Ryzen 5 3600, GTX-1660 OC, 2x16 DDR4-3200.

opaque moat
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not entirely UE5 but games are evolving for better graphics so. ya. UE5, Unity are 2 of the biggest players in the market

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but all games should have a game menu to disable Ray Tracing for lower end rigs

uneven portal
hard juniper
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Something about a craftsman and his tools

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I'm not gonna pretend to know UE5 inside out, but from what I've been seeing the main issue seems to be developers not knowing how to best implement and optimise all the things the engine can offer, rather than the engine being inherently ass

frank galleon
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got an 7900xtx + 7800x3d, been away for a month and just installed patch 1.1.3, game crashes without fail when compiling shaders, when I launch the game again, I get a message that the last shader warmup failed and a workaround is being used so I can play, game then launches but im getting input delays with this ''workaround'', anyone else?

young wind
young wind
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I just think Stalker 2 is a good game held back by a horrible engine

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the gameplay is great when the engine actually lets you play the game at more than 10 fps

flat brook
young wind
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thats just tarkov

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but tbf the only unity engine games I play are scp secret lab and ravenfield

cerulean shell
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is there a known rostok memory leak?

glass vault
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pretty sure a memory leak is still active

hazy idol
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Yes I believe there is a commonly experienced memory leak when you’re in Rostok that wasn’t patched last time I was there

glass vault
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MSI really need to make a meg GPU design black and gold design would be so sick

flint spoke
unborn otter
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I got 4800$ saved up and im ready to buy the new asus 5090 might be my last gpu with how good it looks

hollow kettle
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Out of about 30 hours I’ve played of stalker 2 I have had 3 times where my fps dropped to single digits and I had to restart to fix it. Other than that, the game runs okay enough. I’m easily pleased though. Long as I have 60+ fps and an alright looking game with a smooth experience I’m happy

hollow kettle
unborn otter
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I already have a 4090 and 3090 ti from asus in my pc

hollow kettle
unborn otter
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I guess ill have to take the 3090 out once i get the 5090 unless i can find a way to have 3 gpus

hollow kettle
unborn otter
tawny thicket
tawny thicket
hollow kettle
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Idk who I was talking to before about my aio pump making crackling/trickling noises but it is doing it again. Seems like it happens sometimes after I get done with long gaming sessions. Not sure if it is something to be worried about or not since it is only 2 months old

fading stone
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need those patch notes

hollow kettle
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There was a patch?

fading stone
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no need that too

unborn otter
fading stone
unborn otter
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But 100% gonna be a patch on Jan 30th

tawny thicket
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i am gonna be unresponsive if there isnt a patch on the 30th

unborn otter
fading stone
rare temple
regal gull
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holding my thumbs for the game to work a bit more stable, having issues with my inventory 😦

vague crypt
vague crypt
vague crypt
long geyser
ripe furnace
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does anyone know what the deal is with devs not setting uplimits on shader caching? in this game and many others, my cpu overheats during it to the point my mobo is red lighting. but then gaming is completely normal temp

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would love to know how to counteract that, still need some time before i get a new cooler

plucky quail
hollow kettle
hollow kettle
plucky quail
long geyser
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its litetally only MFG that gives it some hype

hollow kettle
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I will never be able to afford an xx80 or xx90 gpu for a very long time anyway. The folks that got sent 5090 for testing and stuff seemed happy with it for the most part (I would be happy too if I got early access to thousands of dollars likely for free)

plucky quail
plucky quail
long geyser
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I like FG but the problem with these new games is that they stutter like a mf and FG won't help you when you drop to 20-30fps because of the lack of optimization

hollow kettle
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One guy put out a YouTube short saying the wholesale price for 100 5090s in bulk was $3,000 each…that’s $300,000 CyberPog no way anyone other than large companies can afford that

long geyser
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I don't think so. There's plenty of people who can afford 300k. Especially in the US. The question is what connections they have to be able to hoard all that

hollow kettle
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Frame Gen is most useful when you have 60 maybe 50 base fps at least. Any lower and it isn’t ideal. Still playable I guess but not a good experience

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Do you live in the US? You seem to be overestimating the average consumer/small time supplier here. No way anyone is shelling out $300k for just 100 gpu. They still have to buy all other parts to make prebuilts on top of that. They would be broke

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And for $3000 each you aren’t selling them individually or you’ll be broke too. Either way you lose on that

vague crypt
plucky quail
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FG is not bad. But its purpose is to make the game smooth. But 240FPS is overkill for Smoothing. And the Artefacts that come with it. Could get better but end it will never be "free" performance.

plucky quail
hollow kettle
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The artifacts and stuff really only happen when you have less than 60 base fps tbh

plucky quail
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Do they even make a profit?

hollow kettle
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At least with the new updated dlss running

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Idk a lot about scalpers but I can’t see them doing what they do if they didnt make any profit

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Maybe they are the reason I had to pay nearly $1200 for my 1070 back in 2016

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From nvidia themselves

coarse linden
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1200 for GTX 1070??

plucky quail
plucky quail
plucky quail
hollow kettle
hollow kettle
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I was rich back then and didn’t know anything about pc parts

coarse linden
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I have RTX 6969 to sell to you for only lowly price of 4000€

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I got my 1070 for 330€ at launch day

hollow kettle
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I ordered directly from Nvidia website

coarse linden
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There is absolutely no way

plucky quail
hollow kettle
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I still have to a box right here in my room it is nvidia GeForce model lol I swear I ordered directly from Nvidia site

plucky quail
coarse linden
hollow kettle
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Yeah that was almost 9 years ago

coarse linden
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So anyway the RTX 6969. The real deal straight from Nvidia themselfs

plucky quail
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You where sure it was a Nvidia side not scam one? Like fake scalper side?

hollow kettle
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It was Nvidia site 100%

plucky quail
hollow kettle
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Maybe I’m misremembering. May have been that price with the entire 960 prebuilt I had got shortly prior to installing 1070 into it lol

coarse linden
plucky quail
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Bang for the buck with 20X FG only available for that only card

coarse linden
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Moderate offense with that statement. 1200 for 1070 is just...

hollow kettle
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Shut up

coarse linden
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Love you too Rad_Sign_Heart

plucky quail
hollow kettle
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I was Barely 18 years old and never had a computer before

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Anyway, I’m broke and not so much of an idiot these days

plucky quail
coarse linden
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Its even got the crappiest blower cooler

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Paying 200 brand new for it was a bloody scam

hollow kettle
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It was a good card

coarse linden
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Good card sure. Crap blower cooler

plucky quail
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NGl but the 20 Series had the best Looking GPUs. Not good at cooling but looking ✅

hollow kettle
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Yeah 1070 always ran hot but still lasted almost a decade. Well it still works fine actually

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Just dusty and I can’t take it apart to clean it

coarse linden
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Did not run hot when you had proper AiB

hollow kettle
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I had 1 fan in my case in that pc. Plus 1 cpu fan and then the 1 gpu fan lol

coarse linden
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Which is why those old reference cards were a bloody scam since only use for those was to get waterblock for it

hollow kettle
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Plus multiple ppl smoking multiple things in the houses I lived so it got gunked up I’m sure. I never had tools to open gpu to clean it properly. Only could clean fan part

spare coral
plucky quail
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Watercooling is insane cool. It looks good and sleek as long you are doing it right.

coarse linden
plucky quail
coarse linden
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  • if you are lazy the maintenance is going to be pain
hollow kettle
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I just noticed there was patch just a little bit ago

plucky quail
coarse linden
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Mostly just blocks and pump that cost ye pretty penny

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And if you really insist making stuff unsellable and pain you use pastel color dyes

hollow kettle
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And was a beast back in its day

spare coral
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The 2080ti is hard to find now anyways

plucky quail
hollow kettle
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Maybe it was 2070 super idk one of the 20 series I always hear about and it is still good to this day

coarse linden
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Early adopters getting shafted yet again lol

spare coral
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I saw some 2080tis really cheap last year

hollow kettle
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There is a refurbished 2080ti on Amazon for $350 still right now

coarse linden
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Overpriced

plucky quail
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like all old card that where high end back then

spare coral
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Was 280$ on marketplace last time i checked

hollow kettle
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Marketplace? Like Facebook?

plucky quail
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On my place i found really good deal for 250

spare coral
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Yeah, i check there every couple of months

hollow kettle
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Screw that if I get ripped off by someone on Facebook I’ll hunt them down 😂

plucky quail
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300-250 range really good now. Guess all the usere are selling that thing now

coarse linden
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2080ti around 250 here used

spare coral
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There were also a lot ofs rx 5700xts for 200 bucks each one

plucky quail
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Aint the 3080 Same performance as the 2080TIß

coarse linden
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3080 performs better

plucky quail
plucky quail
hollow kettle
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I saw 16gb 4060ti for $550 at Best Buy..isn’t that like same price as 4070 super or 4070

spare coral
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What the hell

coarse linden
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40 series price is bloated now that they quit making those 6 months ago

plucky quail
hollow kettle
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How much was 4060ti 16gb at launch? $550?

kind ibex
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lol I just bought a 3080Ti like 3 weeks ago for $300 CAD ($200 USD)

plucky quail
coarse linden
hollow kettle
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There is 8gb and 16gb 4060ti tho

kind ibex
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Lots of deals right now on used 20 & 30 series cards right now if you know where to look or can do a GPU swap

plucky quail
spare coral
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Dont buy a 8gb 4060ti

kind ibex
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Even the 16Gb 4060 doesn’t perform like a 16GB card fwiw

hollow kettle
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I already have 8gb 4060 no way I’m buying anything less than xx70. But I doubt I’ll even be able to afford that for awhile anyway

kind ibex
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I legit looked for 3 years consistently looking for a good deal on a card, you can afford them, but you just have to be patient

spare coral
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60 tier are the new bait
50 used the be the bait

kind ibex
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Yeah, I agree, anything less than a 70 series you are wasting your time

plucky quail
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Maybe i am gonna make new PC flip? Could be good now.

coarse linden
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Too bad retailers here rarely even sell GPU's on discount. At best its like 20€ off lol

kind ibex
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New GPU’s don’t go on sale

coarse linden
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Use to

kind ibex
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Yeah not anymore, GPU’s in too high demand these days

coarse linden
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Nah not really demand more like margins are too low and retailers dont want to take the hit

kind ibex
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That too, but it is demand. The problem is that chip manufactures are allocating most of their dies for enterprise these days

coarse linden
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That launch mania calms down soon enough

plucky quail
kind ibex
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The margin on 30-40 series are quite high for both the manufacturer and the AIB’s, the new 50 series not so much. Retailers don’t need to drop price because they know people will buy them, but they also need to be approved by the manufacturer (retailer receives rebate)

coarse linden
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So EVGA dropped GPU's for fun?

plucky quail
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EVGA is not even there now 😦 Kingpin also gone

coarse linden
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If margins were there EVGA would still do GPU's

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And would not have been complaining since GTX 10 series about it

kind ibex
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Evga is only one manufacture

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I mean that’s like thinking that your going to get a 5070 for $549

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It will be $749 after the AIB markup, and all Nvidia really does is send a BOM, there isn’t much cost for AIB’s

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And Nvidia is still going to be selling that for $549 at profit (thought again this Gen due to GDRR7 will be smaller)

plucky quail
kind ibex
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Correct

plucky quail
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Thats gonna be for a hole year so and till then i bet Nvidia get the "Super" series out.

hollow kettle
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Is there even going to be 5060?

spare coral
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5060 was on the leaks

kind ibex
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This is the whole reason why retailers can’t sell 9000 cards, AMD was selling their cards to retailers for like $700-800, and now all the retailers are pissed and won’t sell them until they receive rebates from AMD

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Cause they literally cannot sell their cards at those costs (Nvidia actually being competitive on pricing for once)

plucky quail
stable kite
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meh

tawny thicket
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i just dont think AMD would've been ready to launch RDNA 4 in january

glass vault
tawny thicket
rare temple
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How big was the update for people on Steam? I didn't realize it had already patched (I was away). Some are saying 13gb? Is that true? So far, shader compile freeze seems to have been fixed (at least for me). This was a hotfix, so that's why I was surprised in Steam discussion of the patch that some were saying 13gb!

glass vault
spare coral
agile harbor
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My Microcenter is telling us already not to get too excited. Stock will not be good.

glass vault
agile harbor
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That came out wrong. What I meant was I'm not even thinking about it anymore.

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If I can move to DLSS Performance in all titles where I used to run Quality and not be able to tell (LIke is the case with Cyberpunk in my testing), I'll be a happy camper and keep my $2000+.

glass vault
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going to the 50series isn't worth it to 40 series owners but it is a good upgrade for 30 series or older

fading stone
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next patch when! lol Dalin ....feels_bad_stalk

vague crypt
vague crypt
glass vault
wooden rapids
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I live knowing some of you boys here has higher 1440p fps average on a 7800xt and 9800x3d than I do with my 7900xtx and Ryzen 7900

uneven portal
flat brook
wooden rapids
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80 fps in 1440p

flat brook
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Native?

wooden rapids
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I should have gone with 4k 240hz oled instead of the 1440p 360hz oled.

Biggest blunder of my life

uneven portal
flat brook
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Lmao

I went with a 144 VA panel for a multitude of reasons, but I got between 70-90 native at 3440x1440, the lower end being in Rostok on a 13700K, now between 85-105 native on a 9800X3D

uneven portal
wooden rapids
wooden rapids
uneven portal
wooden rapids
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I’m surprised the game doesn’t offer much hyper threading like Cyberpunk2077 does

uneven portal
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Your graphics aren’t the problem, just don’t worry too much

wooden rapids
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Well, visual fidelity is… 2k doesn’t serve me particularly well

wooden rapids
uneven portal
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My performance improved by changing the processor, but not by much, it's CPU demanding. But until they optimize the LODs, the fact that it loads things that are underground, and how terribly Lumen works, we’ll have to wait.

flat brook
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And the panel is a solid 3/4 years old now

agile harbor
vague crypt
glass vault
glass vault
vague crypt
glass vault
agile harbor
uneven portal
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Right now, if I upgrade from a 4080 to a 5080, it would be like buying the Ti version. Like 8 % maybe

glass vault
wooden rapids
uneven portal
wooden rapids
agile harbor
glass vault