pc-specs

[fiery flame]

been seeing about people talking about undervolts

[coral token]

Undervolt on gpu works good tbh

[tawny thicket]

well......true

[tawny thicket]

@pure ibex i am 99% sure that this is a scammer......could you get rid of him?

or really any mod @maiden sinew

[coral token]

you tagged I think helpers not mods

[tawny thicket]

well helpers can still ban ppl

and i also pinged jack who is a mod

[maiden sinew]

whats up?

[tawny thicket]

well there was some scammer here

[real ingot]

We can do that anyways

[real ingot]

Already done

[coral token]

ah fair enough

[real ingot]

banned and cleared

[maiden sinew]

gg

[coral token]

gg

[tawny thicket]

GG

[maiden sinew]

cute klee pfp btw

[wind robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706887299996057690/1329777107470913617/510730957407609428.gif

[coral token]

Old af for me

Because was my first 5* and actually is c6

[maiden sinew]

i never got into genshin too much

mostly wuwa and hsr but i dont play those anymore

[coral token]

I haven't touched most those games much either recently

I did go on hsr recently and did the newest quests

[coral token]

wait makes sense you're first person I seen here who has more than 1 server mutual lol

[hard juniper]

i played genshin for about a month and spent 100 bucks
never touched it again, gacha games are evil

[coral token]

Lol

[spare silo]

it also happens at 1080p low preset

[flat brook]

Might wanna use something like RivaTuner to monitor VRAM usage

[spare silo]

#📸┃screenshots_and_videos message

[long geyser]

next patch better be a huge one

[glass vault]

will be jan 30th most likely. since it is gonna get dlss4 day 0

[spring pulsar]

has the game started unloading textures that you cannot see, so when you turn around it has to load it all again?

if i turn around very quickly, everything is black a starts loading again. It does it with or without dlss and fsr 😦

[opaque moat]

dlss 4 wont make a difference lol UE5 in stalker 2 is just special that way

[glass vault]

it will make a difference. better upscaling quality and less latency. just won't fix how you only get 60fps without framegen

[plucky quail]

Gonna look soo bad with 4x fg XD

[glass vault]

honestly no clue from what the examples are it looks good. won't know until i get hands on

[plucky quail]

We already got vid of CP77 and base was 60+FPS and it had artifacts

Would gues with all the foliage that there are more artifacts.

[glass vault]

well no shit it has artifacts it will never be perfect. its a highly educated guess rather than precision calculation

[plucky quail]

Yea thats why its gonna look shit in Stalker.

[glass vault]

the model has been improved it might handle it better. but that will be found out when we get hands on and not nvidia content creators that were held at gunpoint to only say what they want

it dlss seems to have a major improvement which could affect FG

[grizzled drift]

imo DLSS4 looks alot better from what I've seen

https://youtu.be/tuf4rvQld6c

[glass vault]

Apparently they had about 1k of their best GPUs running the model for the last six years. Pretty cool to see the major improvements

[grizzled drift]

Yeah, they've been training the model a lot, really nice to see forsure

Now if we can get all this stuff to work as good as they say + get UE 5.4+ on Stalker 2, we'll be solid lol

[grizzled drift]

Digital Foundry makes a very good point here about how Frame Gen should be used i.e 40 fps and above, ideally 60 fps and above, the higher the fps, the less amount of time that the frame persist on screen so the chance to notice issues with them is a lot lower. So you'll usually hear people with lower fps saying Frame gen looks and feels like shit, whereas someone who is getting higher fps, isn't going to feel the same way. Digital Foundry says that's one of the hardest things for them to convey to people.

[rancid bramble]

The input lag is going to be insane

[grizzled drift]

Yeah, the input lag is tied to your base frame rate, or actually rendered frames, so the lower your base frame rate before enabling FG, the worse the input lag will feel, the higher your base framerate, the better it feels

It's kinda something you have to see and feel for yourself too, can't really be shown in a video, basically try Frame Gen at 30fps and then Frame Gen at 60fps and it feels a lot better

[glass vault]

Reflex 2 said to reduce it by 70% in theory I will be faster than native without reflex.

Take it with salt until people get their hands on it

[grizzled drift]

Yeah, I look forward to that, hope it actually does what they say

Then hopefully nobody will be saying "omg the input lag with FG"

[fiery flame]

is anyone getting memory leaks when upgrading weapon from diode?

[hollow kettle]

Is it normal to hear like a crackling sound or maybe mixed with liquid trickling sound coming from my pc?? I have aio & this system is only about 2 months old

[fiery flame]

Is it like gurgling or bubbling kinda sound?

[hollow kettle]

Not so much gurgling more like aerated water kinda sound. Like faint crackling running water or something

[fiery flame]

There is probably air pockets happening inside the tube I suggest repositioning the tube or radiator or both where gravity would do most of the work instead of the pump

[hollow kettle]

Idk how to do any of that honestly this was prebuilt

[fiery flame]

You can check some tutorials on how to properly position your aio cooler and some guide on the installation of your aio cooler just in case you need to rotate it

I don’t really advise leaving it like that as your pump may fail which is another problem.

[hollow kettle]

Even if it only made that noise for a minute and then stopped ?

[fiery flame]

Ah you can also bring it to the shop where it was prebuilt so they can fix it for you assuming there is a warranty involved.

[hollow kettle]

I ordered it from Walmart site but it is IBuyPower brand

[fiery flame]

Another thing have you checked if it may be the fans hitting something?

[hollow kettle]

I opened the case and looked with a flashlight didn’t see anything. It is getting a little dusty gonna clean it tomorrow. I put my ear close to Inside the case and the sound was coming from upper back side which is right where my aio is

[fiery flame]

You can try messing around with the fan speed to check if its either the fan or the tube.

[hollow kettle]

Yeah thanks I’m gonna get some sleep and check it more in depth tomorrow before I gotta go to work. Thanks for the advice

[candid aurora]

can a rx6600 and a ryzen 7 5800x run Stalker 2? if so at what settings?

[tawny thicket]

1080p medium to high W FSR Q about 40fps

[tawny thicket]

with FG you can expect 60-75fps

[lavish mason]

Ibuysadness strikes again

[fiery flame]

I don’t even see the difference between RT or no RT lmao

[tawny thicket]

it does depend on the game

[candid aurora]

30 fps is good wnough so im happy

[vestal tusk]

2077 peak RT but stalker 2 not so much

[opaque moat]

UE5 skill issue. UE5 is heavy in all games. GPU's havent cought up to that tech yet.

[vestal tusk]

itll be interesting to see 5090

[tawny thicket]

it'll be 72-82

[opaque moat]

even the 4080s can barely break 100 fps in black myth wukong with every on with max settings

unreal 5 is ahead of the hardware times

[tawny thicket]

MARK MY WORDS (if it doesnt happen like that then i was joking)

[opaque moat]

the importance of rast performance is dying lol. Ai is the new sheriff in town

[vestal tusk]

its sad to see

50xx series generating 2 frames for every 1 real frame you're not even playing the game you're playing what the gpu thinks the game is lol

Im old school im all about raw power and id glady pay for raw power

[opaque moat]

UE5 and Unity is an example that raw power is evolving to greater things.

look at how far DLSS and FSR has come. they improving at a slower pace but they are improving

[lavish mason]

What do you do with all the polls data?

[tawny thicket]

3 actually

[opaque moat]

A.i. doesnt think... it calculates and responds through calculations.

[tawny thicket]

AI is good at pattern recognition

[vestal tusk]

😭

[opaque moat]

remember when the 20 series nvidia released, RT was supposed to be a "Gimmick" and die. but 30 and 40 series is dominating hardware charts

[tawny thicket]

when 20 cards launched there were only tech demos for RT

until BF 5 but that was prolly the worst game to debut RT

[opaque moat]

nvenc and cuda, dlss are key words in the green machine's success anyway.

RT is like a bag of bricks added on top all that lol

[tawny thicket]

i'd say only DLSS and CUDA : AMD AV 1 matches or even beats NVIDIAs AV 1

and AV 1 is the future

[opaque moat]

i dont see where it shows that but ok

[tawny thicket]

there was some DF video that showed that

(digital foundry)

[opaque moat]

dunno. too early to tell

[vestal tusk]

im hoping for team red and now blues success tbh competition is great for the consumer

i'm debating selling my nvidia card for amd

[opaque moat]

i was this close 🤏 to getting a 7900xtx but this 4080s was only 150 more.

[vestal tusk]

honestly if i were you i'd have made the same decision

4080 is a great card

[opaque moat]

actually its a gigabyte gaming OC that was on sale 200 off original price. if it wasnt for the sale i would have been amd for sure

[vestal tusk]

damn thats a solid sale

[opaque moat]

3/4 of an inch longer and i would have needed a new case... was scared for a sec.

[vestal tusk]

AYO haha talk about a close call

new cards are gigantic

[opaque moat]

oh and the sag is horrible. sag bracket is very mandatory or vert mount or lay your tower down.

and you cant use the original bracket on a strix MB im tellin ya they need to rethink the bracket for the 50 series

[vestal tusk]

oh what 💀 i hope they reconsider the brakets

[ember scaffold]

Quick question

Why didn't the devs do what valve did and pre calculated raytraced information? The game is mostly static anyway

Imagine this game with the fidelity and performance of CS2 on maxed out settings

why is everybody pushing away pre baked information

not even an option in UE anymore

[ember scaffold]

7900XTX is miles better though. It's on par or better depending on the game, than the 4080 Super

with the pathtraced performance of a 4070 TI

[opaque moat]

xtx is not miles better. but its close.

[ember scaffold]

Unless you specifically need tensor cores, there's no point

[ember scaffold]

benchmarks speak otherwise, buddy

[opaque moat]

not in enough games to matter and not in the games i play

[ember scaffold]

I just rechecked my sources and 7900XTX beats 4080 Super in every single game by up to 13 fps. When pathtracing is enabled, the 7900XTX has the same pathtraced performance as a 4070 TI

[opaque moat]

that must be it

[ember scaffold]

Also, according to the TechPowerUp benchmarks, (the most credible source in existence) I can only find one game where 4080 Super is remotely close when it comes to non RT performance. RDR 2 where 7900XTX gets 104 fps unbottlenecked and 4080 Super gets 103

[opaque moat]

but RT is one main reason to get an nvidia card.lol.

[ember scaffold]

the thing is, only the lower end AMD gpus feature trash RT core infrastructure

7900XTX has the RT/PT performance of a 4070 TI, which is still a lot slower in RT than 4080 Super

since 4080 Super has a higher shader count

Believe it or not, Intel is better at raytracing than Nvidia. Intel was the first to develop chip tarced information, and their ARC cards are much better than the Nvidia equivalent at raw raytracing. However, Intel doesn't have a GPU as powerful as the RTX 5090, them being mostly lower end card. But Intel's RT is insanely surprising

[opaque moat]

ok amd is better than nvidia and intel is better in ray tracing than nvidia. you made your point.

[ember scaffold]

???? What? That's not even remotely close to the truth

[opaque moat]

lol looks like thats what you tryin to say

[ember scaffold]

completely different architectural design and completely different amounts of shader cores and the dyes are not even close at all. Making a GPU is insanely hard and there are a lot of other external factors that go into the main performance. That being faulty driver versions, faulty values, manufacturing mistakes, and many more. So you can't possibly compare them. It all comes down to what technologies you prefer to have access to, and what you're planning to use the GPU for, since they all vary in important specifics for different types of tasks

[tawny thicket]

PT perf of 4070 TIE? NO.

[ember scaffold]

And the CPU side of the coin is completely dead, since Intel invented x86 architecture for CPU chips and other companies are not allowed to manufacture x86 processors. AMD sued Intel and got the rights as well

[ember scaffold]

All it takes is to look up multiple benchmarks in all of the games that support full raytracing

Cyberpunk, Alan Wake 2, Black Myth Wukong, and Indiana Jones

[opaque moat]

as i said in the past...nvidia is a runaway train in GPU developement at this point...so much that AMD is moving to their naming scheme just sayin

[tawny thicket]

indiana jones doesnt even let AMD cards use PT BC they are just that slow at PT

[ember scaffold]

you can clearly see the 4070 TI is near identical in pathtraced performance at native res no DLSS, than 7900XTX with PT at native res

[ember scaffold]

you can, buddy. You need to delete the script that checks if your GPU is an Nvidia card and if it has 11GBs of VRAM

[tawny thicket]

even RT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBspiPJi_XI&t=192s (HUB video)

[ember scaffold]

and if you do so, and run the game with Vulkan Proton translation layer, it gets the exact same performance as a 4070 TI Super

[tawny thicket]

4070 TIE got 67 fps while the XTX only got 47

[ember scaffold]

you're checking the wrong resolution results

[tawny thicket]

oh so i should check 4K?

[ember scaffold]

check 4k. 7900XTX is a 4k card with 24GBs of video memory and bottlenecks CPUs at 1440p and under

[tawny thicket]

even still the 7900 XTX only gets 15fps while the 4070 TIE gets 20fps

same in wukong : the XTX gets 14fps PT maxed out at 4K while the 70 TIE gets 44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOhSjLU6Q20

[tawny thicket]

with a 7600X yes the XTX might have bottlenecks but with a 7800X3D / 9800 X3D ? while ray tracing? NO.

and VRAM bottlenecks do happen but as long as VRAM usage stays under 12Gb's (for the TIE ) it will not matter

[tawny thicket]

XTX has +1 fps [neuron activation]

[flat brook]

Damn, know-it-all yapperoni pizza finally left the server

Hasn’t even said anything to me after I corrected him on his lack of understanding how CPU utilization works, and somehow he went down the exact same aisle here

[tawny thicket]

i have never seen this guy before

oh

nevermind i did i just forgor

[tawny thicket]

great job on him leaving......should make him stop wasting his time

[flat brook]

Yeah, the dude adamant on the guy’s 14700K not being the issue of low FPS, so it must be his GPU that’s bad

Surely it’ll be his GPU, and not an issue with S2/UE5 that has been running since launch day

[tawny thicket]

i have no idea what it is that you are reffering too 😭

[flat brook]

Nothing major, just me saying “hey, that’s neither his CPU nor his GPU, just the game having a seizure which is well documented, and choking the main render thread”

Followed by his 1000 IQ response : “You have no idea what you’re talking about, shut your mouth”

Keep in mind, he said that being on the server for one whole day

[tawny thicket]

😂

[tawny thicket]

LOL

[clever kindle]

Do we still not have a known fix for lowlevelfatalerror D3D12Submission.cpp:910 with error 887A0006 ?

[vestal tusk]

they gone for good @flat brook banned

if they were gonna argue with folks and comeback and do it again esp with that retarded name they aint good for the community

[flat brook]

Excellent news brother

[vestal tusk]

i had a feeling they'd come back and become an issue later tbh

had to make sure that aint happening lol

[hollow kettle]

I have a random question. Is it better to set aio pump to one constant speed of say 65-75% rather than have it on auto smart fan tune?

[clever kindle]

i've had both my pump speed and my fan speeds at 100% since i got it, you get the lowest temps this way.

[hollow kettle]

Well I was thinking of having pump & cpu fans set high to static speed then having the rest of my case & gpu fans set to auto. I’ve had them all auto since I got this system couple months ago but I’m hearing it’s not good for pump to be auto

[clever kindle]

Just run everything on 100% , i've built/had pc's for my whole life and never had a fan/pump fail.

[hollow kettle]

It’s so loud with them all 100% though

[clever kindle]

ah yes, I wear headphones lol

[hollow kettle]

I do also but I never shut my pc down

[clever kindle]

if the noise does bother you, you can always make a fan curve, where you can adjust the fan speed based off of the temp

[hollow kettle]

It sleeps after 10 minute not using it but fans still go

[hollow kettle]

Yes this is what I am doing for the rest but now I set pump to constant 100

All 6 extra case fans, gpu & cpu fans I set to smart tune in msi center

[clever kindle]

its really up to what you want/ what your temps are at.

[hollow kettle]

I just was told/read online that is is rough on pump to have it auto

[clever kindle]

gpu/cpu prob aim for max of 70-80's on intel/nvidia so build your fan settings around that

[hollow kettle]

That’s all I was concerned about really my temps have been fine

My pump was making weird noises last night so I got a bit concerned with it being set to auto

[clever kindle]

i mean it really depends on what aio you have and if there is any reported issues with it being on auto, i would assume auto is what they desined it to be on by deualt so its prob ok i would think

[clever kindle]

do you have the rad vertical or horizontal?

[hollow kettle]

Idk what this means I got a prebuilt bc it’s all I could afford on Black Friday

[clever kindle]

so youll have two hoses connecting the pump to the rad

input and output

[hollow kettle]

It comes from the top-front of my case slightly down and back into cpu area

The 2 tubes I mean

I can send you a picture if you want

[clever kindle]

what i mean/what I'm getting at is there is a common concern when mounting the radiator in certain configurations that the little bit of air that is in a sealed aio can be drawn into the pump and cause it to make noise/heat up and or not work properly

[hollow kettle]

Can I show you a picture in dm?

[clever kindle]

yes

[hollow kettle]

Sent it

[clever kindle]

yes that is horizontal (side ways) the only real concern is if it was vertical (up and down) the hoes need to be on the bottom/towards the ground as to not suck in air that could feed into the pump

[hollow kettle]

So it should be okay the way it is?

[clever kindle]

yes, i have mine mounted horizontal too but the hoses in the rear vs towards the front (doesn't really matter but i think it looks cleaner this way)

has the pump always made that noise or is this a recent thing?

every aio has a different pump so theyre all going to make different noises

[hollow kettle]

Okay thank you so much for the advice & no it was only for a minute or two last night it has been silent ever since and never happened before that

[clever kindle]

they do have a little air in them technically so it is possible that's what you heard, if its only a one off i would not worry. if it comes back then maybe we can circle back to this. If the noise is gone and your temps are fine then all should be well, leaving the pump on auto is essentially the same thing as assigning a manual fan curve as the pump will adjust the speed based on the temp. you can adjust/fine tune this as well as the fans if you want lower temps/and or want to lower noise

[hollow kettle]

Yeah I noticed that the rpm in msi center never changed after setting pump to other values. Idk I got it wet to manual 100% now and my cpu temp does seem a bit lower than usual. About 60-65 Celsius when usually Its 70-75

[clever kindle]

yeah like i said i run mine both my pump and all my fans at 100% because i want the coolest temps, since i wear headphones the added noise doesn't bother me what's so ever, but that's not for everyone i get it. if the noise does bother you i would either leave it on auto and see if those temps look ok or go in and adjust/make a fan and pump speed curve for temps/noise of your choosing

there's not really a right or wrong way but i would suggest a max or 70's-80's for your cpu/gpu on whatever you decide

[hollow kettle]

I think my case fans are good on auto tune I set up my gpu never gets over 65-70 and cpu occasionally gets upper 70s on certain games but overall im very happy with this system. Once again, thank you. I appreciate the advice

[clever kindle]

of course glad to help, happy gaming!

[tawny thicket]

oh,good to know

[tawny thicket]

.

[flat brook]

This can either be air in the system or it’s running low on coolant depending on how old it is

An airless and filled AIO system should have the pump being essentially dead quiet, if it starts making “grinding” noises on startup or consistently, one of the two isn’t optimal

[grizzled drift]

Unless you just have a loud pump/aio

[flat brook]

I wouldn’t put loud in the category that makes people go “it’s making weird noises” though, that observation usually means the noise has changed, which is almost always either air due to evaporated coolant, or lack of coolant due to age

Same with mounting it incorrectly causing mostly air going to the pump, that usually starts causing grinding noises on startup after a while which people notice by a change in pitch of frequency

[grizzled drift]

No, I wouldn’t either

[hollow kettle]

I’ve only had this computer just under 2 months. I use it at least 5-8+ hours a day every day tho. But it was just that one time last night it was like a trickling sound almost

Now that I set the pump to a constant speed it’s been fine and temps been better

It was almost like the sound of an aerated fish tank or if you left a sink dripping really fast

But went away after a couple minutes and haven’t heard it since

[flat brook]

That does sound like air in the system, I assume you have the pump as your lowest point in the loop?

Air in the system after a couple months is very quick however, but if it’s gone now I wouldn’t worry too much about it unless it starts consistently happening again

[hollow kettle]

The hoses come from the top front of my case down & horizontally back into the pump which is lower in motherboard area just above gpu. This is a prebuilt tho so I didn’t do it myself

[wind tapir]

i am upgrading from z590 and 11600k to b550 and ryzen 5700x3d, will i get much better 1% and 0.1% low without microstuttering....my graphic is rtx 3080

[hollow kettle]

Idk a whole lot about and stuff but from some google searches it seems the i5 is slightly faster than 5700x3d. Take this with grain of salt I just looked at cpubenchmark comparison and couple other sites

[tawny thicket]

the 5700x3D is faster than the 11600K

[tawny thicket]

i dont think it will solve the microstuttering

[flat brook]

It likely won’t, the 5700X3D is a very good chip for the price, especially in any other game besides stalker 2. But the 5800X3D is pretty low on the Day 1 CPU benchmark list, with 1% lows about half of what the 7800X3D does, so very much still in render thread choking territory in NPC hubs

[long geyser]

One would've expected X3D chips to help stalker 2 run better but nah :(

[coral token]

x3d chips work good on most other games they don't work as well on stalker 2 due to optimization issues tbh

[long geyser]

obviously it's not the chips to blame, it's the game

[coral token]

I can say same about Nvidia gpus which work great elsewhere but somehow struggle on Stalker 2

meanwhile I didn't have as many issues with 6800xt at same time have helped 2 people with 4070s to get game working even

[long geyser]

5800X3D + 4090 here 😄

[coral token]

I also have 5800x3d

[long geyser]

great avg fps with bad 1%

[coral token]

my 1% tbh don't drop too much mostly 1.1.3 actually did make worse performance tho

[long geyser]

140-165fps (capped) avg framerate, with drops to 30-40fps sometimes

[coral token]

if mine drops its also avg down

noticeable around hubs

[long geyser]

yeah maybe from 140 to 100-120

[coral token]

I was before 1.1.3 getting 150-170fps in hubs around 100-130 in 1440p

now it's less partially due to my own stupid too

shouldn't have listened to all the people who said to wipe shader cache

due to 1.1.3 shader warmup bug with no shaders the game actually is unplayable mess

somehow got at least 1.1.3 shaders on the game after reinstall to go through and slapped no shader warmup mod and that mostly stabilised

[coral token]

and 1% lows were roughly 30-40% behind avg consistently tbh

[coral token]

why I feel like that's rostock lol

[long geyser]

I had severe drops in malachite too

[coral token]

that's weird in malachite my frames were maybe 20% below not too much

[long geyser]

Idk. The performance issues, the a-life and other smaller issues just make me want to wait

[coral token]

sphere was laggy mess tho

actually weird I reached that part on 1.0.1 my save got corrupted and then on this save at 1.1.3 performance there is worse

[long geyser]

the one || you can go inside of?||

[coral token]

zalyssya area that large complex that always shoot on sight

on map is labeled Sphere

[long geyser]

Im just tired trying to fix the game by tweaking all the settings and trying every single optimization mod out there

[coral token]

all I use on performance side is no shader warmup

at least somewhat stablised the mess

[long geyser]

that shouldnt even make it better, just save you time but have a chance to make the game stutter even more

[coral token]

nah 1.1.3 is crashing on startup

and then has that message where will load shaders during gameplay

[long geyser]

hmm not for me? The version before 1.1.3 had alot of warmup issues, but not anymore

[coral token]

also shader warmup reserves vram

[long geyser]

yes, so that the game is smoother when you play

[coral token]

well it does smooth out issues

also have noticed that at least for me S2 at most is at 11gb vram

[spare coral]

I was actually able to get the shader warmup just by reopening the game before 1.1.3 but now it fails instantly

So im forced to load it during gameplay

[coral token]

shader warmup never failed to load for me before 1.1.3

I actually didn't use that no shader mod since didn't feel much impact from it

before 1.1.3 I mean

[long geyser]

but it shouldnt impact anything. It just guarantees you wont get stuck in the shader warmup, with increased risk of the game stuttering during gameplay, for a bit

[coral token]

no idea why I've tried to play with that but that stutter was too long time

like I clocked 30 mins at least

before I was like nah I rather not deal with this

[flat brook]

8GB 4070s I would assume? I’ve had no issues running the game on a 4070Ti-S

[coral token]

nah both were on 16gb

oddly enough nvidia overlay was the issue lol

[flat brook]

Oh yeah that checks out then

[coral token]

so overall that should be already common knowledge to just turn off nvidia overlay to play stalker 2

[coral token]

But also really weird that overlay can make you run out of vram and windows doesn't even see that

Either a vram spike or something that makes stalker 2 crash

[flat brook]

Something that makes D3D12 crash, haven’t seen my vram usage gone up using the overlay for a short while for testing, but it did cause LowLevelFatalError exceptions

[coral token]

Yeah it's a very peculiar issue overall

I have experienced similar from AMD overlay in past but that was long time ago

I should try some other UE5 game to compare performance on that and Stalker 2 tbh

Well also so far can confirm it affected Windows 11

The nvidia overlay issue haven't heard anyone so far yet with similar issue on windows 10

[opaque moat]

all UE5 games perform poorly. the top 2 root causes among others are LUMEN (Dynamic Global Illumination) and NANITE (Virtualized Geometry). UE5 is ways ahead of the hardware race.

if you average over 120 fps in a UE5 at vanilla max settings game, you among upper tiers in performance.

[coral token]

Need to test so which are other UE5 games

[hollow kettle]

I haven’t had any issues with nvidia overlay. Only if game filter photo mode enabled in nvidia app there was issue

[rare temple]

Senua's Saga: Hellblade II, Silent Hill 2 Remake, Black Myth Wukong are some games that use it. I can attest with both HB II and SH 2, I saw the same issues as I see here with FPS tanking to 5-10 fps.

[hollow kettle]

All UE5 games run like garbage

I have got to the point of dreading every time I hear a game is being developed on unreal engine

[rare temple]

Witcher 4 is the next one but that's probably 3-4 years away from being released. Who knows what version of UE will be out at that time and I'm sure they'll switch to it mid-development.

[hollow kettle]

I love cdpr I really wish they wouldn’t have switched the UE but maybe a good team with that much time can make something great with it

[rare temple]

I'm tired of needing realistic graphics to enjoy a game. Witcher 3 wasn't realistic, but man, it was gorgeous to look at it and fun to play (at least for me). I still have it installed and still go in and play it.

[hollow kettle]

I have been playing cyberpunk & Witcher 3 more than anything else lately

[rare temple]

Yeah, that will depend on if they work on being good with optimization. Remember the debacle that was Cyberpunk. True, on PC it was "better", but it still had it's issues. Took them over a year to finally get it all fixed.

Witcher 3 on it's initial release was also bad. So were the first two Witchers. lol!

[hollow kettle]

Yeah I remember but maybe they finally learned something and are going to put some extra effort in for optimization. Maybe that was reason for the switch. Or maybe I’m huffin on hopium. We shall see

[flat brook]

Not all, RoN runs pretty great, although those maps are comically small compared to S2 of course

[coral token]

Need to try so

[flat brook]

The big take-away from RoN is that despite the use of Lumen and Nanite, CPU utilization stays relatively low, which means that atleast on 5.4, there’s much more to be gained.

RoN on 5.1 ran extremely bad

[hollow kettle]

Idek what RoN is

[flat brook]

Ready or Not

[hollow kettle]

Oh I was going to buy that game during winter sale but couldn’t decide between that or bodycam. Ended up with neither lol

Got cyberpunk, hogwarts legacy & space marine 2 instead

[flat brook]

Not bad choices either, RoN with friends is an absolute blast though

[hollow kettle]

Well my friend actually gifted me hogwarts. They just never play any games I like so we never play together anymore

[hard juniper]

ron runs like absolute dogshit on some maps

it ran better in early access than full release, that's for sure

[coarse linden]

Only proper RoN is Rise of Nations

[hollow kettle]

I heard bodycam got a little better but the guy was using like a 4080 super or 4090 to play it lol

[hard juniper]

bodycam isn't really worth it imo, fun for about 10 minutes (if the movement doesn't make you sick first)

[hollow kettle]

They added zombies mode which interested me more than anything

I play stuff in VR quite often so I don’t think it would bother me too much

[hard juniper]

i don't really mind vr but the camera movements are something else, for me at least

not to mention super unrealistic for what's supposed to be a super realistic game

[flat brook]

Which maps? Hasn’t been a single one where I struggled to get past 144fps 3440x1440 native, at max settings

[hard juniper]

rich guy's house party was horrendous last time i tried it

[flat brook]

The trafficker mansion one? Ran on par with any of the others on my end, but that’s on 5.4, not 5.1

[hard juniper]

when did they make the switch

[flat brook]

5.1 ran about as bad as S2 does, which I mentioned previously

[flat brook]

Like a couple before or after the Home invasion DLC

This summer, so about 6 month ago

[hard juniper]

huh, might've not played since then, i'll give it another try

[opaque moat]

delta force blackhawk down gonna be UE5. they will work it into multiplayer once the campaign is released

[coarse linden]

Almost as if UE5 is work in progress and not ready for main production.. Who would have guessed

[mint thunder]

UE5 has more anomalies than the zone

[opaque moat]

nah its a completed engine, and on top of all that they keep adding more to it. they at 5.5 now and climbing.

[flat brook]

I mean, it’s further ahead now than it was with 5.1, GSC hanging onto 5.1 is very much their own fault

[coarse linden]

Yeah were it complete it would not run like hobo on wheelchair with busted tire

But it will get better eventually

[opaque moat]

you dont get it...its a new generation of graphics that demands too much from cpu/gpu. Hardware needs to catch up

unlike fortnite....alot of games are moving to more and more realism

so anyting with unreal5 or more will be very hard to play on budget builds. (for now)

rasterization is for older games now. Ai performance is a thing of the future. (unfortunately)

im not talking out of my behind...this is all my own opinion but i clearly see the games coming out. or came out in the last year.

[coarse linden]

If that were true they would not need to go back to those old features to fix and improve constantly to make it run better on that "obsolete hardware"

Much of how game runs is on developers but these days it can also be blamed on UE5 fancy features that are not complete

Still developers are not blameless since they chose to use those

[flint spoke]

this is what I've been trying to explain to people haha 5.1 just sucks

[flint spoke]

the shit cpu perf in this game is literally cause its on 5.1 not a newer version of UE tho

not because its pushing boundaries

if devs had enough time it would be on 5.4 or 5.5. not sure how much better gpu perf is on those versions tho would be interesting to see

so its like half true its due to pushing boundaries half because likely resource and time constraints

[opaque moat]

UE5.5 and some samples are free on epic games launcher. takes ages to install but you can run it there. 5.5 is not a great performance improvement, but it keeps adding to visual realism improvements

[blissful violet]

can i run the game with RTX 4060, Ryzen 5 5600 and 32GB of RAM?

[hard juniper]

it'll probably boot up

[tawny thicket]

yes*.[i will not elaborate any further]

[glass vault]

1080 med in theory

[broken sage]

If this is the 8gb 4060 you might be able to have a stable 30-40 fps with settings tweaked

[grizzled drift]

Yall must be extremely slow, Unreal Engine 5.1 released in November of 2022. Unreal Engine 5.4 released in April of 2024, and Unreal 5.5 literally just released in November. They didn’t start making the game in 2024. Yes, they can update to newer versions of the engine but that’s not just a quick hotswap.

[glass vault]

much harder since they made custom additions to 5.1

[grizzled drift]

Exactly

[glass vault]

if it wasn't for the custom additions. it wouldn't be as hard if it was a UE4 to UE5

[grizzled drift]

https://youtu.be/uyxXRXDtcPA?si=kqpDLtQ8tsTRYBOu

Inside DLSS 4 & Nvidia Machine Learning: The Bryan Catanzaro Interview

[glass vault]

gotta say the nvidia guy got som really nice hair

[grizzled drift]

Dude, im saying

DLSS Jesus

[glass vault]

not if but when i start showing signs of balding its all coming off and i embrace the bald bearded man vibe

[grizzled drift]

lmao I love the comments, nobody is talking about DLSS, everyone is focused on dude's hair

said he got the Nvidia DLSS Hair Reconstruction turned on

[glass vault]

i didn't even notice

gotta say tho nvidia is putting in the work for gamers. on the software side especially

[grizzled drift]

Indeed, I also like how Catanzaro tells us how 3D Graphics have been being faked for 50 years and proposes that AI can help with that fake being more accurate.
Just funny when you think of all the people complaining about "fake frames" it's like the stuffs been fake longer than you been alive.

[glass vault]

Dlss is just better AA

And honestly it will be the only way we are going to get extremely high FPS. Native worked this long because of how big generation advances where. Now that we have slowed on density the improvement has to come from somewhere

[coral token]

what?

[glass vault]

dlss is giving performance rather than using performance to make it more blurry

[tough patrol]

attempting to run this game on z1e rog ally, not much success

[plucky quail]

Still makes it blurry. Or game devs make games better and sharper. TAA is just ass and DLSS is fixing a problem that never existed in the first place. We got in the last 4 Years so many games that are sharp and good running/looking so its not far to say they should do the games right. I cant say if GSC where lazy or could just not do there job cuz there where a pandemic and for them a war. But what i can say is that this game is really Blurry. They rely so much on TAA to smooth the stuff out. Like its the most bad running bad looking(Blurry) game that i played in the last 10 Years. Like i said Dlss is so good in this game cuz its soo bad running and looking. Those problems would never existed when the game was bit more Cooked in the oven.

[rare temple]

From what I've read, GSC heavily modified UE, so it's not easy for them to upgrade to the latest version.

[flat brook]

I’m aware, was one of the few mentioning this on launch day, in correlation to RoN’s update from 5.1 to 5.4 taking several months as they had to remake their assets

[grizzled drift]

https://imgur.com/a/t5bkPD7

[flint spoke]

as far as I can tell cpu perf in titles that were able to upgrade improved quite a bit

[glass vault]

Might not be a pure apples to apples they also might've done other optimizations

[agile harbor]

Great video

As with nearly anything Alex @ DF does

What I still haven't been able to work out is... so FG (MFG aside for the moment) moving off Optical Flow hardware and moving towards being fully computed on Tensor, at least on Blackwell. Ok, but is this going to be the same for Ada/Ampere?

[plucky quail]

Maybe wild take here but DF isn’t that great of a channel by what people say about DF.

Also in the video I would have expected more questioning than just ask about that’s interesting new thing and just move on.

[flint spoke]

says that and doesn't even list what they consider a good channel

[plucky quail]

I did if you read in the lines, not just shallow questions. Not just "Ah that tech, just run us throw". You should ask with a follow up. GN Does this good. Like: a is that not too much For the AI or is there a limit or something. In the end that the guy for AI. Ask while you can

[flint spoke]

lmao I dont care, just pointing out the weird behavior

'ask while you can' what kind of weird shit is this.

[plucky quail]

If you dont care then why even bother

[plucky quail]

He has not infinite time for Questions i dont know if you understand that

[flint spoke]

idc about the info but I do care calling out such standoffish behavior

[plucky quail]

I gave the Reason and how to improve. There is nothing Standoffish.

[flint spoke]

maybe language barrier then

[grizzled drift]

idk Nico always has weird takes imo but I don't bother , people say crap about GN too

People say crap about everybody but none of you are testers or invest the money into the research and journalism like they do lol

It's like everyone on discord and reddit are the experts and not the guys who have been doing it on Youtube for years and years even decades

[stable kite]

Was away for weeks i see no new patch, anything expected this week?

[glass vault]

expect jan 30th

[lusty mason]

Was it announced somewhere or is it speculation?

[plucky quail]

So if i dont have money and cant buy all the possible stuff i cant critique somebody? I am not saying i am an expert but i would expect them to ask better Questions.

[glass vault]

stalker 2 is listed as one of the games for nvidias dlss4 day 0 support so im assuming it will get a decent patch alongside

[plucky quail]

Any Reviewer does something worst but all of them can strive to do better. GN is good in asking questions other are better than GN in other stuff. But all should strive to be better or the best.

[grizzled drift]

Wasn't about the money, it's more so that you said "by what people say about DF." Well, what do people say then lol, can't just say something like that with no context. It doesn't really help back up your argument, it's a very broad statement to make. I could say that about anyone or anything. You're allowed to have your opinion tho, I'm not saying you're wrong, I just have the opinion that it was a weird take.

and you yourself said it may be a wild take so

[grizzled drift]

I agree

None of us are perfect

[hard juniper]

that's good, game needs as much help as it can get

[plucky quail]

True. I though that i didnt need to really clarify. Many say they are the best in Tech review and are the leading in as tech Reviewer. That you can take there vid by face value and any thing thats new that should be where you should go first to. But thats what i get, what people are saying about it. Ofc my Perception/experience is no Study so if really most people think so IDK.

[lusty mason]

Oh nice, didn't notice that, i'm excited for the in driver dlss change option

[glass vault]

the in driver change only works for games that support dlss3 sadly. from what i read

[grizzled drift]

Ah fair enough, nah I mean I agree with you, nobody should take anything at face value, do your own research and critical thinking forsure, but at the same time these guys do, do a lot of that research and stuff as well, but I agree, always check multiple sources, come to your own conclusions and best we can do is to try to stay open minded and have humility when/if wrong about something

[agile harbor]

Tech review, no. Deep dive into the nerdy details of modern game graphics design and theory, yes. Alex is fantastic with that stuff.

[flat brook]

^ Digital foundry is more in the benchmark department with “TLDRs” regarding game development, technology/software inner working than they are a dedicated tech channel. For that you’d be looking at Steve for the most in depth explanations, and guys like JayZtwocents etc after

[glass vault]

GN does the best in depth review as a video since they got all the graphs for boost freq and temps. linus does a less indepth but gets the job done. still using one source is not needed

[grizzled drift]

Yeah pretty much everything you guys said lol

[glass vault]

no one source will ever give the full picture since they are usually 1 card being the baseline so multiple sources also gives you a bigger batch and then giving you a more accurate avg

[flat brook]

Isn’t getting your data from multiple sources common knowledge, like not putting all your eggs in one basket?

[glass vault]

we got soverign citizens who believe the US is a company owned by the british so some people are stupid. but generally it is

[delicate elbow]

They are just a company
I’m not a sovcit nutter though, don’t worry

I am a shareholder in USA, Inc
Their dividends are great, they pay them in the original Pound Sterling; roughly 450g of 925 silver a year

(I am, of course, just joking)

[hoary copper]

did perfomance get any better over month?

[hard juniper]

not for me personally. Maybe outside cpu limited scenarios, but those don't really matter

[agile harbor]

Not been any real performance targeting patches

in fact, 1.1.3 came out before the new year so its been a while

[fading stone]

need new patch...

[hard juniper]

they might be waiting for the new dlss

[fading stone]

that only 5k series can use? nah

[hard juniper]

most of the new features can still be used by older cards

[fading stone]

steamdb is geting some changes personally im hoping that by the end of the week we will have an update or an anouncement ping at least

[glass vault]

only multiframe gen is limited to 5k series other people still get the benefit for the better quality upscaling. also they are probably waiting for jan 30th to drop the entire update since they might have dlss 4 implemented into the patch as well

[pure ibex]

https://wccftech.com/famous-overclocker-kingpin-reveals-he-wont-be-working-on-nvidia-rtx-50-gpus/amp/

[coarse linden]

Eh guy been irrelevant for years

[glass vault]

We are so back. I am not so interested in the overclock but his designs are so good looking usually

Its probably gonna be AMD most likely maybe we will see it in march

[vestal tusk]

sounds like someone not known or famous would say ngl

[coarse linden]

Thankfully so. It would suck to be famous

[glass vault]

never want to be known. its either for bad reasons or good reasons either way comes with no private life and people always wanting to pester you

[plucky quail]

Well nother that jumps. By that rate we only have Nvidia FE Cards. What is not even downside how NV is performing.

[coral token]

oh man this beef https://gamersnexus.net/gn-extras/our-response-linus-sebastian

LTT getting a new one torn with this here

[glass vault]

GN seems to be taking the nuclear option for this issue

[agile harbor]

as if last WAN show intro wasn't dramatic enough. this week should be good

[coral token]

for real lmao

Steve didn't even bother to elaborate in the weekly news too much lol

[sweet void]

Y'all watching tech shows?

[pure ibex]

personally im sussed out about the 5090s 2 slot cooler

i find it hard to believe it can cool 600watts

so that thing is probably gonna run super hot

[candid swan]

Dont forget the 4090 meltdown pins

[pure ibex]

yah but thats not the same issue

at least the 4090s could cool them selves

[candid swan]

At that point the GPUs might go like this...

https://tenor.com/view/rtx-gif-316975000211366020

[pure ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/rtx-gif-316975000211366020

[vestal tusk]

id buy this and still play morrowind ong

[pure ibex]

id use it to post offensive things on the internet at 12k

[vestal tusk]

[pure ibex]

idk im having my 2016 internet revival arc atm

[vestal tusk]

😈

[glass vault]

don't worry there is already 800w backwell titan card found

https://www.dlcompare.com/gaming-news/nvidia-rtx-titan-blackwell-revealed-800w-gpu-prototype-unveiled-50121

[pure ibex]

I heard

Gamers nexus has the cooler

There must be a meeting of the minds

To assemble the single and only working titan rtx 40 series card

[glass vault]

nah this different pretty sure. this was the full die for the 5090 not a 4090ti prototype

[pure ibex]

Yes but

It’s a pcb no cooler

Gamers nexus has the cooler

I’m betting it’s like a gtx 480 type deal where

[glass vault]

i think the cooler was before the pcb. since the pcb was dated summer 2024. not sure if it even would connect correctly.

[pure ibex]

The last 2800 cores makes the card draw 40 percent more power

[glass vault]

but 24576 cuda and 32gb at 32Gbps for 2TB of bandwidth is cool. it probably won't ever see the light of day

it might if the power matched the increase in core count

[pure ibex]

It can be made though

Once the 32gbps micron chips enter the wild

It can be made

[glass vault]

it had a 12% increase in cuda count for a 225w increase which is insane

[pure ibex]

Yah

What I expected tbh

It’s just like the gtx 480 512

[glass vault]

they still have 400w budget before they can't make it draw anymore power. leaving 400w for the cpu and accessories

[pure ibex]

Going from 480 to 512 cores increases power draw by 30 percent

Gotta overclock it too

HIT 3ghz

[glass vault]

wondering how much asus overclocked the 5090

[pure ibex]

Would be really funny if the quality of the chip was trash

Asus I sleep

Galax REAL SHIT

[glass vault]

i am just curious how much the bost clock increased with the size of the coolers

[pure ibex]

Oh I’m sure like 50mhz

But what you can do

Is probably a lot

[glass vault]

500$ more for 5mhz boost.

[pure ibex]

It’s not about stock clocks

Those are meaningless

It’s about what the card is capable of

Size of the cooler dictates how much you can overclock

To a point anyways

[glass vault]

the increase in boost clocks for OC variants can give you insight for how much the avg die can increase. if its very low then hopes will be low for insane overclocks

[pure ibex]

Not true at all lol

4090s are the same

But most of them oc 300 to 400mhz on the core

Some can do even more

It’s random entirely luck based

[glass vault]

it does to a point. showing if stock speeds are getting close to their full potential or being held back. which could be the case in the 5090 since they didn't want to go over 600w tgp

[pure ibex]

I mean again no

The 3090s were done the same way

35 50mhz

But they just don’t oc

The dies just suck

The 4090s don’t

Because they actually oc

They just don’t bother binning them that high

It’s a waste of time

[glass vault]

you did kinda prove the theory saying 3090 OC variants were very small boosts but 4090s OC variants were 300-400 mhz.

[pure ibex]

No they can oc that high

Out the box

It’s 50mhz over stock

[glass vault]

oh i misunderstood then

[pure ibex]

You buy a gpu for the pcb

And a maybe a higher chance of a good gpu

Galax is best bet

There the closest thing to evga kingpin

[glass vault]

kinda curious how 5090s will take undervolting

[pure ibex]

Galax 4090

Dual 16 pins

Only 4090 ever made with dual 16 pins

[glass vault]

god damn. i was thinking of going zotac this upgrade

[pure ibex]

Well good luck

They don’t sell outside of Asia

lol

Not with out a lot of work anyways

[glass vault]

wdym they have US listed on newegg already

[pure ibex]

For a 2k dollar mark up

It’s second hand sellers

Unless your in Europe

They over there too

In USA it’s not a thing at all

[glass vault]

i was gonna expect 2nd hand sellers for most gpus.

[pure ibex]

Would buy one personally less I could get a warranty which I personally can’t so I’d just get an asus and be happy

Maybe get it memory swapped

[glass vault]

alot of the designs this generation just look identical

looking at techpowerup for the zotac card apparently one of the 2 cards that listed the OC speed. its a 60mhz increase

their solid variant only got 20mhz. for now

wish epyc motherboards were cheaper i want to upgrade my server to use more nvme drives

[plucky quail]

Gonna need to See GN vid about that. I would guess it is better in cooling but can’t tell if it can cool a 5090.

[grizzled drift]

Nvidia has gotten pretty competent in their cooling (thermal) engineering over the past few years, I doubt it'll run hot

Especially after watching that Deep dive into the coolers with GN and their Engineer

[pure ibex]

As I expected the 5090s stock cooler is grossly inadequate for overclocking

https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-5090-owners-club.1814246/page-52

Runs near 90c out the box

[hard juniper]

wow, sounds like my experience with amd a couple years ago

[pure ibex]

Stock Radeon coolers are terrible lol

Always have been

Well that’s not true but

That have been for a while now

[pure ibex]

But generally it seems the 5090 is a massive disappointment

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSlOC_jiLQ

GN review out!

[pure ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWSlOC_jiLQ

Reposted for yah

But tbh it seems like your better off buying a 4090 for like 1000 dollars

It’s like a 27 percent uplift on average

[plucky quail]

I see so many 4090 since the announce for 1400-1600€

One did hit 1300€ but was instantly sold

[glass vault]

For gaming yeah productivity no mainly ai it's insanely better

Very Garbo increase for raster

[tawny thicket]

VRAM anyway

[plucky quail]

But who cares about AI. With the 4090 we also did not watch at AI performance. Its really really niche. If you want AI go buy AI card that can do even more

[hollow kettle]

Nvidia’s primary market isn’t even really gamers

Target audience I should say

More like creators and rich gamers and businesses or whoever it is that would use that AI stuff. Sure ain’t your average gamer

[glass vault]

For gaming your correct. But geforce Isnt a gaming card anymore it's now turning into a budget jack of all trades for consumers na businesses

[pure ibex]

Give it a few weeks

Once it actually drops the prices will fall

[glass vault]

they might stay roughly the price since the newer 50 series doesn't offer better price to performance over 40 series. the 4090 might stay close to 1600msrp so maybe 1300-1500 is my guess. but 60 to 80 class will be the ones getting better price cuts

[plucky quail]

Thats for a long time so. Its still bad card for all the other stuff. Like Editing or doing blender. Its only for AI really good and i dont think we have anyone that does AI to that extend.

[plucky quail]

Going to do that lets see how many fall for 5070 trap

[glass vault]

its gonna be for people who do work at home i feel like.

wish the 5080 got a bigger raster bump to give competition to the 4090 so 4090s get cheaper

4090 is probably gonna sit slightly above the 5080 due to the 8gb of more vram.

[plucky quail]

1. If you work with AI 2. If the Company pays the card anyways for you. only 2 reasons. 2.5. If you are a multi mil in your bank and can just throw money anyway out.

[plucky quail]

I would guess the card gonna be even less exciting cuz the monkey brain does not see higher numbers.

[glass vault]

tho people who are usually buying used 90 class cards are techy people. so it might not drop in price as much.

[pure ibex]

Gonna be lots

Most insane bull shit marketing I’ve ever seen

[glass vault]

gotta give them credit on a technical standpoint they are right. they are comparing frame rate and they did say due to AI. but it is pretty disapoint tactic

they could be open to a lawsuit if they don't keep their marketing tight

[plucky quail]

Not the first time that we even see that

[plucky quail]

Like the 3 they already have?

[glass vault]

probably will beat the 4090 in RT raster no

[plucky quail]

No let me do a pole of the % how good its gonna be. (We are taking HUB stats)

[pure ibex]

Not even in rt

It has way fewer rt cores

It’s not even a contest

[tawny thicket]

10% is the max? 😂

[plucky quail]

Yea trust me

[glass vault]

i thought it was closer in core count. only way is if they got a 50% uplift in rt cores

[plucky quail]

I have kinda the feeling

[tawny thicket]

OOF

[glass vault]

raster didn't get a uplift of anything meaningful. think it was like 6%. someone did the Tflop calculations on the old and new cards

[tawny thicket]

yeah...NO.

[plucky quail]

I say 8% uplift. Thats even on the good side

[glass vault]

they clearly focused on tensor and rt cores this gen

[pure ibex]

Nope

The 5080 isn’t even close in raw compute to the 4090

[glass vault]

what im seeing 5080 might be around a 24% rt uplift from the 4080

the 5090 is doing much better than i thought thermally for the FE design

[austere crane]

anyone tried the new dlss 4 dll w/ preset j in stalker 2 yet? i've tried it in indiana jones and the great circle and EA WRC so far, it looks AMAZING

[glass vault]

The dlss4 DLL file is out?

[austere crane]

yup https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/1i82rp6/dlss_4_dlls_from_cyberpunk_patch_221/?sort=new

makes me feel like i could hold onto my 3080 ti a while longer... but nah, i'm gonna be fighting the bots for a 5090 next week

[glass vault]

gonna try the same. 3080ti holding up for 1440p still. the insane jump in performance from 3080ti to 5090 is too good.

[wild night]

Define the average gamer. Nvidia is primarily an American company and average American gamers can afford to get 5080 and maybe even 5090 if they are that interested in it and ready to save up a little more. Globally speaking average gamer does not even use desktop PC anymore as consoles, mobiles and laptops took over the scene.

[tawny thicket]

uuhhmm

i have no idea what your point is

[hollow kettle]

From my personal experience The avg gamer in America does not buy xx90 cards they have no need for it unless they just have money to blow. Most go for xx70ti or maybe 80. Content creators, businesses, etc are target customers for xx80 & 90 cards imo

Maybe it’s just my area but I’ve never even heard of anyone I have talked to having an xx90 card in my life

[austere crane]

of course, i mean i dunno what US market share breakup is like compared to rest of world, but i think average market share of 4090 was like.. 3%? so generously speaking if you assume a lot more people in US could afford it, maybe 6% of Nvidia owners have 4090s? that's probably being very very generous

[wild night]

The median salary is about 59K/year. This means that half of Americans bring about 950 USD home every week. Most people choose xx80 or xx70-series cards because they don't need anything more powerful or they have better things to buy. This is what you observed from your personal experience.

[plucky quail]

True most here have 200-500€ card

[hollow kettle]

Yes all I am saying is that nvidia no longer is targeting casual - middle class gamers. (They never really were compared to amd anyway but still) the high tier cards getting so much more powerful there isn’t a lot of gamers that need/want them. So naturally they aren’t really the targeted consumer

xx60 & 70 cards yes these are definitely directed towards mid range gamers even casuals. But more & more folks are looking to amd gpus in that regard so nvidia best option is to go for content creators, businesses, game developers, etc

This is just my opinion from what I have observed Lately

[wild night]

I told you that casual gamers / middle class can afford it. I gave you the stats for the median salary. By definition, this means that price-wise Nvidia is still targeting the middle class.

[hollow kettle]

Bro that salary for a single person maybe they get it just bc they want to and have money to blow. Rent & bills take away that $950 a week very quick. Throw kids in there and you’ll have barely anything left lol

[plucky quail]

You both are right but nothing will justify to spend +2000$ With only 30% Performance increase. Not even talking about Powerdraw

[glass vault]

it scales in linear from the 4090. except for the ai performance

[austere crane]

sure it can be justified, i'm coming from a 3080 ti, why wouldn't i get the current gen top of the line? makes no sense for me not to, especially since the 5080 only has 16gb vram

and 4090s will continue to be insane on the used market for at least another year

[tawny thicket]

Good luck getting a 5090

[austere crane]

thank you stalker

[spare coral]

Wait for the 6090

[plucky quail]

The 4090 is even now low priced even lower than MSRP and i thought your 3080TI is good enough.

[austere crane]

there are probably going to be like 500 Founders Editions available in the US on the 30th 😅

in other words chance of securing one next week is like one in a million

[plucky quail]

Also there is the PSU that you need to upgrade if you dont have a 1000W one

[austere crane]

i'm primed for a 5090 w/ PSU, and a 9800x3D already. my system is BEGGING me for a gpu upgrade

[plucky quail]

Even the 5080 sounds like its goona be low storage so the Price is artificially raised

[austere crane]

yes it will be difficult to get any of the new GPUs for a while, although it will be a descending scale of difficulty :p 5060s (whenever those come out) probably won't be too hard to find, 5070s kinda hard, 5070 tis very hard to find, 5080 almost impossible, 5090 good luck stalker

and that's for any card including AIBs.. founders editions you might as well buy a lottery ticket

and afaik in the US, the ONLY retailer of FE cards is Best Buy again. insane 🙄

[plucky quail]

Good luck finding one and paying at MSRP. + Here in germany we are normally same priced but the 5000Series cost extra with the 5090 costing 2300€. You would pay 2300$+ Open marked prices

[austere crane]

if i don't get one directly from the retailer at MSRP i'll wait, scalpers will be asking $3000+ for SURE

[plucky quail]

I bet the 5080 cost +1500$

[austere crane]

yup

[glass vault]

Feels so strange with how many rumors about the amount of GPUs before launch.

[hard juniper]

i've basically given up getting current gen cards tbh

impossible to find stock, and when you do find it it's going to be ridiculously priced. I just stay one gen behind, probably two this time around since i managed to get a 4080

[glass vault]

Probably gonna do a backorder

[glass vault]

steam gave us a new download bar graph so we got one seperate for updating progress and download progress

put the new dlss4 dll file into stalker 2 time to see how it feels

[grizzled drift]

Looks like I was right in being optimistic about thermals being good on the FE models

but memory thermals are a bit warm

[swift cape]

Hey guys, I have a 3090 / 5800x3d - I get about 90-100 fps with DLSS and FSR on following posts on reddit about using Epic for GI etc. The game doesn't feel like 90-100 fps at all though, it feels extremely choppy and stuttery, just not smooth at all - have you guys got any advice or suggestions? thanks so much in advance

[glass vault]

using vsync to cap frame rate then use fsr 3.1 to be frame gen. thats the balance i am dealing with on the 3080ti

[swift cape]

I read that you're supposed to turn off Vsync with FSR3?

[glass vault]

idk but i capped my native fps to 60 so i get a solid 120 very few drops

[swift cape]

What do you have DLSS set to?

[glass vault]

i think balanced

[swift cape]

And what CPU do you have?

[glass vault]

7950x3d

[swift cape]

Ah, it may be my CPU that's holding me back then

[glass vault]

im at 1440p also

[swift cape]

Actually, maybe not - it's only 58% useage

Ah, I'm 3440 x 1440, always forget about that

[next inlet]

When are the gpus coming out? Feels like so long ago they annouced it at ces...

[exotic condor]

What about lowering frame limit ? I’ve just watched guy testing out 5090 and he said that in general if u getting 60 fps native u won’t have stutters or input lag. Maybe I’m wrong but trying to help here. Go with frame limit and set dlss to performance

[pure ibex]

There will always be input lag

[exotic condor]

2 weeks ? But they already said they got some shortage haha. Reminds me of ps5 times

[pure ibex]

Game can’t accept inputs for generated frames

Yet

[raw sleet]

if u mean the 50 series, looking like the morning of the 30th (next week)

[exotic condor]

With what ? I think games went super bad with optimization. May 15 they release new Doom Dark age and u will see what an optimization means

[pure ibex]

Frame gen

[next inlet]

Oh to solve input lag use nividia reflex, thats what i did with my game and it reduced it by alot @raw sleet thank you for some reason google said it was the 7th of jan lol couldent be true

[glass vault]

30ms latency is really the avg now

anything more than 50 is getting janky

[pure ibex]

Until nvidia comes out with a way for games to accept inputs on generated frames

It’s just a visual effect far as I’m concerned

[raw sleet]

got that info from a reddit post so.. yeah.. not 100% on that date, but apparently Microcenter is going to start selling that series at 9am PST (east coast US - 6am west coast US) on the 30th

[swift cape]

I find it really hard to put it into words, CS2 at 90-100 fps feels smooth as fuck, Stalker 2 does not feel smooth at all, it kinda looks like a smeared blur of choppiness

[glass vault]

or the game dev side where the make the tracking not synced to frame rate

[pure ibex]

Frame gen moment

[swift cape]

it only looks good when I don't move the mouse

[raw sleet]

im ready to snipe a 5090; along with probably another couple million other mooks just like me.. good luck fellas.. probably have better luck getting taylor swift tix from ticketmaster

[pure ibex]

Upscaling artifacts from dlss

Or frame gen

Both cause that

I’m gonna buy a 4090 for a 1000 bux and I’ll be the real winner

[glass vault]

im just hoping that one of the sellers will allow backorders.

[pure ibex]

[pure ibex]

Only one that ever did was evga

[next inlet]

If only microcenter was here in canada man atleast we have some other places im going to use amazon or newegg for getting a 5080

[glass vault]

[pure ibex]

Bro why are you buying a 5080

Are you a moron or something

[raw sleet]

bestbuy will be selling the 5090fe also the 5080 series

[glass vault]

i am not gonna be picky on model just what is closest to msrp

[pure ibex]

Literally get a used 4090 before too long you can grab one for 1000 bux

And it will run circles around the 5080 lmao

[glass vault]

4090 used is gonna float around for 1100-1200 my best guess

[pure ibex]

Will be dips down to 1000

But even at 1200 bux it’s a way better deal than the 5080

[glass vault]

1300 is where it starts to lose the bang for buck value

[next inlet]

My ageing gpu(3080) says, its getting artifacts while gaming normally thats why its dying, im going with msi too not the fe card

[pure ibex]

Dude it’s a dog shit card

For 1000 bux it’s fucken highway robbery

Get a used 4090

[raw sleet]

retiring this 2080ti here, figure 5090 should set me right until pci GEN7 / 8

[glass vault]

tbf the MFG is tempting why not go all in on frame gen its not like it will look worse. ignoring the small artifacts its fine

[pure ibex]

It does look worse though

[glass vault]

i think pcie 6 launches this year.

[pure ibex]

In movement it look really bad

[glass vault]

comparing to native yeah but x2 frame gen you aren't losing as much

[raw sleet]

7 is supposedly protoyping optoelectronics.. photonic circuits or whatever u call that tech

[next inlet]

A used 4090? Eehh i dont like used cards though x.x i rather have them brand new, or i could go with amd

[pure ibex]

Don’t be a bitch

[glass vault]

we also getting 122tb ssds now

[pure ibex]

You people act like if you buy stuff on eBay there is no refund

eBay will refund you out of pocket if shit doesn’t work

And ban the seller in question

If they refuse to give the money back

[raw sleet]

i considered pulling the trig on a 4090 myself but man those power issues.. my luck is usually bad luck, i'd be one of those guys that gets the melted connector lol

[glass vault]

just plug the connector in fully?

[pure ibex]

5090 is only different in that it has a sensor to figure out if you plugged in the cable properly

[glass vault]

and also use a new cable

[pure ibex]

4090s catching fire is user error lol

[raw sleet]

still a bit concerning nonetheless, i've been building systems for decades and I haven't had anything emit the magic smoke since the 90s but still

[glass vault]

my laptop lost its magic smoke and now is dead. rip dell precision

[raw sleet]

atx3 spec psu is on the menu as well If I can get one of the new 50's (native connectivity)

[glass vault]

seasonics vertex psus are the most tempting

[pure ibex]

Just lift a cooler off an athlon xp

[raw sleet]

im leaning towards seasonics or corsair (again, had good exp with corsair psus over the years)

[pure ibex]

But once again if you blow up a 4090 that’s entirely you doing something wrong

[glass vault]

i got the rm1000x and 1000e seasonic just looking a bit better for their titanium vertex 1200 and 1000w

[raw sleet]

heh, last time I had AMD hardware in my box, was a K62/450

[pure ibex]

Is the connector poorly designed yes but it’s single fault can easily be avoided by simply installing it correctly

[raw sleet]

and it was a via chipset that emitted said magic smoke on said platform

[pure ibex]

Those have no voltage limiter so

If you set cpu core to 3v

Kaboom

[next inlet]

Any word on amd cards? Or no?

[pure ibex]

They got delayed I guess?

[raw sleet]

feb. i think

[glass vault]

march i think

[next inlet]

I hope they are doing tweaks on them i feel like they should of explained them more at ces

[grizzled drift]

Ive already seen them selling on ebay for around 1700

Used too

[glass vault]

gonna happen after 5090 launch

[grizzled drift]

You telling me to sell my 4090 before the 5090 launch

[glass vault]

im not a wizard but i assume 4090s will reduce in price below their msrp like they do every gen

[pure ibex]

It all depends on how much stock there is for the 5090

[glass vault]

true if there is alot of 5090 stock 4090 prices will drop more and if no stock 4090 will keep their value

[pure ibex]

biggest bummer for me is honestly that the new cards seem to have very limited oc

[glass vault]

i expected oc for the 5090 to be extremely limited due to power not sure about the lower tiers

[pure ibex]

mostly because the 4090 could oc so much

the 7900xtx too

7900xtx especially tbh

that card is an oc monster

[glass vault]

7900xtx buyers are in a extremely good position minus fsr 4 support. with amds new cards not really completing with their prior gen

[pure ibex]

they can oc by nearly 30 percent on water

[coarse linden]

I mean here used 4090 goes for over 2000€ lol

[pure ibex]

which is fucken insane

[pure ibex]

right now

[glass vault]

yeah that is insane

[pure ibex]

prices wont change till after launch

[coarse linden]

Prices actually went up

[glass vault]

because of the lack of stock rumors

[coarse linden]

Kinda funny really

[pure ibex]

i think stock issue wont be that big long term since this launch is pretty meh across the board

[glass vault]

it still will be some stores got 10 5080 and nothing else

[pure ibex]

same as the 4080

cus both cards suck lol

[coarse linden]

Personally probably going to get 5070 Ti

[glass vault]

if i do upgrade i am gonna try to trade my 3080ti for a epyc sp3 motherboard and cpu

[coarse linden]

Unless there happens to be magical MSRP sponsored 5080

[pure ibex]

there is at bestbuy

lol

bestbuy sells the founders cards

but those will sell out in like 5 seconds so

you would need to go to a phyiscal store

and wait out side over night

[coarse linden]

Probably end up with bots like most F5 race launches

Kinda sad

[pure ibex]

idk why people want them so bad

the cards are just mid across the board lol

[coarse linden]

50 series is crap cards for 40 series owners but ok for anything below it

[pure ibex]

eh

im not impressed but

[glass vault]

its really for people who held out for 30 and 40 series

[pure ibex]

my 3090 is showing its age

thats for sure

but

the next gpu i get i want it to oc

idc if its an intel card a radeon card

[coarse linden]

Heh good luck with that

[pure ibex]

it just must oc

and bne fun

[pure ibex]

the 7900 xtx ocs by nearly 30 percent

[coarse linden]

OC is dead. Been dead for long time really

[pure ibex]

🤨

very wrong sir lol

[glass vault]

cpus yeah gpus no

[pure ibex]

cpu overclocking is dead

gpu oc is very much alive and well

[glass vault]

cpu overclocking exists for shits and giggles to get 7ghz on a cpu. gpu overclocks can be done and used daily with stable performance

i hate how i missed out on 250$ h12-ssl motherboards for epyc cpus they went back to 500$

[pure ibex]

Memory oc is also a thing still

[glass vault]

i saw 12000mhz ddr5 that i think was on air

[pure ibex]

More like tuning

For timings

Because timings equal performance

[coarse linden]

memory OC is pain in the arse lol

Maybe im just getting too old

[opaque moat]

OC in stalker gain half a frame ♿

[pure ibex]

yah cus stalker 2 is entirely cpu bound

lol

[opaque moat]

UE5 autism

[pure ibex]

9800x3d only cpu that can get 100 fps in any town in stalker 2 lol

[opaque moat]

rast is a thing of the past.

vanilla max settings in rostok 115-125fps

with fg ofcourse

[coarse linden]

Heh... 9800x3D with whole shebang or 1 RTX card

[opaque moat]

my next upgrade is oled. im done with hardware for a while.

[coarse linden]

Ew OLED

[pure ibex]

wdym

oleds are fucken awesome now

where you been

i got one now

and its fucken amazing

[coarse linden]

I mean sure but when you need to run "refresh" and whatnot to not make it burn in is just sad

[pure ibex]

nah

you only need to that very rarely

it says every 3 hours but

meh

i do it once a week and no problems

[coarse linden]

Sad for such expensive tech to having to jump hoops to keep it useable

[pure ibex]

i mean hardly

im not even sure its needed tbh

people have tried to burn in these displays

some mate left it on still image for over 3 months and nothing happened

[glass vault]

my next monitor upgrade will me microled

[pure ibex]

oleds are better

[glass vault]

gimmie that 10k nits

[pure ibex]

response times are sub 1ms

the newest models have response times of .03ms

[coarse linden]

I mean MicroLEDs suppose to give that without burn in fears but far away

[pure ibex]

oled tech has come along way

its not really an issue anymore

[coarse linden]

True

[pure ibex]

yes it will burn in someday

[opaque moat]

screensavers gonna make a comeback

[pure ibex]

but that day is many years away

[coarse linden]

Dunno when some folk managed to burn in the monitors in 3 months

[glass vault]

oleds still suck in one spot. if you got sunlight or other bright lights gets hard to see. bought my neo g8 instead of the 4k 240hz oled that alienware released. couldn't justify 2x the price

[pure ibex]

i have the older 3440x1440p alienware oled

was on super clearance for 600

could not resist

[glass vault]

don't blame you i got my neo g8 for 550

[spare coral]

Thats why my gaming room doesnt have any lights on it
Not even a window

[pure ibex]

this monitor is also qd oled

[coarse linden]

Heh i bought this monitor like 12 years ago and have no intentions to swap it until oled replacement tech is up

[pure ibex]

so it can get very bright

[glass vault]

wonder how much better microled will be when it hits monitors. mainly dimming zones thats the main improvement that they can get

[pure ibex]

tbh i think oled will kill micro led in the long run

it has too many advantages

[coarse linden]

Microleds disadvantage it is expensive for now

[pure ibex]

and worse than oled in all but brightness

[glass vault]

oleds just don't work amazingly for laptops if you want to do work in a bright environment. thats where microled will probably shine. also maybe tvs depending on how small the dimming zones get

[pure ibex]

i think oleds will just get brighter

in like the past 4 years there brightness has massively improved

and it will only get brighter as time goes on

[glass vault]

probably. im just bias towards mini and microled

[coarse linden]

Eh what i have read microleds if they can get the costs down will be superior

But still thats like 5 years away minimum

[pure ibex]

response time too i dont think microled does the response time of oled

[glass vault]

i think they said 2027 before they start to become viable. rn i think its like 10k for a single display

[pure ibex]

not even close

[coarse linden]

Quick google gives 0.2 ns lol

[pure ibex]

ns is not right

google ai is trippin

but even still oled is still faster

the best oleds are now .03ms

[coarse linden]

Its what Samsung says

[glass vault]

https://wccftech.com/microled-vs-oled-everything-explained/
the ns is probably this article

[coarse linden]

2023 CES expo

[pure ibex]

im skeptical of that

[glass vault]

man this article is old old 2018

[pure ibex]

no micro led is that fast

not even close

only mini led displays i can find are all 1ms latency

[coarse linden]

I mean there is no microled monitors

[glass vault]

what im reading is mini led is a backlit while microled goes the same way oled has and s self emissive

https://www.microled-info.com/microled-vs-oled

[coarse linden]

Only 100k+ costing Samsung MicroLED tv's currently that are like 100"

[pure ibex]

yah i see that

no monitors

but what is the reponse time of said tvs

[glass vault]

this article also shows ns for microled. and its newer with last update being 15th of december 2024

[pure ibex]

ok

but show me the page for that samsung tv

its gotta have specs

[glass vault]

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisions-home-theater/tvs/micro-led/114-class-micro-led-mna114ms1ccxza/

[pure ibex]

doesnt list the spec for latency

[coarse linden]

Wonder why

[pure ibex]

its a tv im guessing

so who cares

it does list a power use though

that being 1150 watts

lmfao

[glass vault]

i don't think tvs they advertise reponse time. not a big selling point

854 being avg

[coarse linden]

One would assume you would get such basic info for 110k ffs lol

[pure ibex]

im guessing its nothing to write home about

maybe its in the manual

nothing in the manual

[glass vault]

they say microled can be more efficent but clearly this is still theory not achieved in practice. tbf it is still very early

[pure ibex]

too bad they did not come out with that folding clear tv

like when oleds were first hitting the scene

idk if you remember that

it was a 40k dollar tv that would roll up into a box

[glass vault]

one advantage of microled is bigger screen sizes

but also not alot of people are getting 90-120" screens

[coarse linden]

Would be funny if they sold those as 40x40 slabs so you can build how ever big screen you want lol

[pure ibex]

i mean that will i imagine never really translate into stuff i can buy

i imagine a 120in tv will always cost around 120 to 80k dollars

[glass vault]

found a signle 97" oled for 20k

[pure ibex]

how much is that

[pure ibex]

thats not even that bad tbh

for 97 fricken ins

[glass vault]

srry 25k normal 20k sale

[pure ibex]

would never buy such a thing but

not really that insane for what your getting

[glass vault]

this has a power consumption of 330

[pure ibex]

i think micro led is getting pretty throughly beaten in that case lol

your paying 100k for 25 more inches

[glass vault]

we are comparing a devloped tech to one that just hit market a year or two ago.

[pure ibex]

ik lol

just saying

[glass vault]

So main disadvantage of microled currently is cost and power consumption

[pure ibex]

kinda makes you wonder what we would have now

if they never gave up on crt tech

[glass vault]

500lb back breaking cubes

[pure ibex]

that were better than basically every flat pannel out there for nearly 14 years afterwards lol

a high end crt from 2003 could game at 240hz at 1600x1200

[glass vault]

Microled is gonna be really nice if the solve the power consumption

[next inlet]

I have a msi monitor its a really good one i like it alot

[pure ibex]

alienware and lg kinda the kings tbh

alienware makes dog shit pcs

but god tier monitors

[glass vault]

Dell and hp and their daughter companies all suck for pcs.

[coarse linden]

pretty much all market pc's suck

[next inlet]

It has hdr 1440p 165hz but i run it at 144hz lol

[coarse linden]

So much added price for the "brand"

[glass vault]

Dell and hp more sinces forced standards nobody else uses

[sudden bobcat]

Hi guys, I wanted to ask if it’s worth buying Stalker 2 with the computer I have. This computer is an Omen 17 laptop with an RTX 3070 Ti graphics card (8 GB VRAM), 16 GB DDR5 RAM, i7-12700H, a 1Tb SSD and Windows 11. I’d like to play at 1080p with medium graphics settings, aiming for at least 60 FPS. Is that possible?

[pure ibex]

probably

[pure ibex]

yah asus monitors are highway robber tbh lol

[coarse linden]

Anything Asus kinda is

[pure ibex]

why evga have to die

life is so unfair

[next inlet]

Evga ill miss their gpus

[pure ibex]

like you can hate asus but they kinda just make the best stuff

there boards especially

all the world records getting set