pc-specs

[coral token]

ATi gpus lol

[vestal tusk]

ngl i am excited to see 5090 benchmarks of stalker 2

[pure ibex]

ati was king

back in the day

they dominated nvidia for a few years

[coral token]

I still have somewhere that old gpu

[pure ibex]

9800xt x850 xt x1950 xtx

all monster gpus

that completely demolished nvidia in gaming

[coral token]

bro I had 9800 pro

[tawny thicket]

its gonna be 30% faster than the 4090 MARK MY WORDS

[pure ibex]

stalker 2 is all cpu limited so

probably wont change much

[tawny thicket]

not.....always

[coral token]

Rostock welcomes you

[tawny thicket]

(9800 X3D)

[pure ibex]

90 percent of the time it is

well yes

unless you have an overclocked 9800x3d

with the best ram money can buy

[tawny thicket]

well not for me it aint

(maybe that RX6600 isnt fast enough)

[coral token]

I want best ddr4 for my 5800x3d but finding 64gb dual stick kit at low cl 3600mhz is not easy lmao

[pure ibex]

the best kits are long gone now

they are already upwards of 400 dollars on ebay

[coral token]

bro cl16 3600mhz is 200

[pure ibex]

thats not the best

cl14 3600mhz is

[coral token]

that's best I could find rn that's not used lmao

[pure ibex]

yah

all the best stuff is out of production

because in 2022 all high end ddr4 was no longer in production

[coral token]

I mean you can't even get 5800x3d anymore

I have pretty decent 32gb kit tho cl15 3200mhz

[pure ibex]

the new v cache cpus are just so peak

i want one

to delid it

[coral token]

did you see the new laptop cpus

bloody 16c/32t with 40 gpu cores lol

[pure ibex]

aye

impressive

[coral token]

that GPU with IO die is bigger than whole package of some other AMD APUs

[tawny thicket]

yeah sooooo that stupid thing is faster than my entire PC

[coral token]

lmao

[tawny thicket]

😭

[pure ibex]

amd should start selling pre delidded cpus again

[coral token]

2025 we get more powerful tablets than some desktops that used to be midrange lmao

[pure ibex]

and intel sinks further towards there demise

[coral token]

https://tenor.com/view/intc-stock-intc-coffin-intel-coffin-gif-14403125517727857092

[pure ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/intc-stock-intc-coffin-intel-coffin-gif-14403125517727857092

[coral token]

this too true

[coral token]

I wonder what music plays

crab rave probably

[pure ibex]

i watched it happen from the ground floor

there still trying to use what is at this point nearly 30 year old tech

to make flagship nodes

hence why the yields are so bad

and the RND time is so high

[coral token]

you mean Intel?

[pure ibex]

yes

i worked for there supplier of said tools

[coral token]

god bless AMD for breaking up 4c8t hegemony

[pure ibex]

the true fallen king

is power VR

[coral token]

what I found interesting tho about that APU AMD themselves say it will come to desktop as well

[pure ibex]

Apus on desktop don’t really excite me much cus there value proposition is kinda meh

[tawny thicket]

they gotta be pretty cheap to be of value

[pure ibex]

Like get a b580

[coral token]

I mean that kind of package seems like can make a pretty solid mid range no gpu build or high end with gpu and using onboard for something else same time

especially if you need that kind of core count for productivity

[pure ibex]

If only they made that crossfire with apu tech a thing

Idk if you even remember that

[coral token]

I do remember I had r9 295x2 tbh

I also had r9 290x 8gb lol

[pure ibex]

Well it was gonna be that if you had a 6000 series Radeon

And an apu

[coral token]

I mean 295x2 was in itself crossfired 2 290x lol

[pure ibex]

The apu could give you a small performance boost

[pure ibex]

Well yah

That’s not what I mean

[coral token]

but I do remember that APU boost for 6000 series

I think it was on 5000 as well

wildest thing tho was that every single driver update for GCN cards trickled down to 290x and 295x2 as well lol

like all those improvements over time

[pure ibex]

well 295x2 isnt getting any faster

only slower

since crossfire has been dead since 2014

[coral token]

yeah it's just now mostly collector piece on shelf

[pure ibex]

i have the legendary red evga gtx 295

its all metal

[coral token]

bro I'd get 3090 kingpin tbh

should have when it was released actually had a chance and never even use it to just sell it to some collector now

[pure ibex]

3090 ti kingpin

but honestly the 30 series sucks for oc

so kinda not really that cool

[coral token]

I mean it's the last juggernaut of evga card

[pure ibex]

kingpin is working with pny now

[coral token]

yeah can't wait for the new line up

[glass vault]

sadly no kingpin cards yet

[opaque moat]

damn EVGA needs to come back to GPU market

[glass vault]

they won't most likely wish they would tho

[opaque moat]

i know they wont, but they need to. im not complaining about my GamingOC. i wont buy Strix GPU's the premium price just too much

EVGA FTW3 > Strix

[glass vault]

i just like their designs more than any other brand

[opaque moat]

i like the way asus notifies you about an Armoury crate uninstaller when you download the installer. seems like they recomend you remove it after updating everything. lol

[glass vault]

yeah because their software sucks. at least their audio related ones. still no reason for that being installed bricks my 3d printing software

[opaque moat]

i have to install it for my strix motherboard or else i have conflicts in device manager that wont manually update. armoury crate fixes it all.

very thankful of the AC uninstaller. best asus app ever

[dapper sail]

i have a NVIDIA RTX 3070 , 64gb DDR4 ram , 1tb NVME but the game is legging xD

and A Intel i7-10700K

[spare coral]

Yeah that sound about right
An 8gb gpu with that old cpu is just too weak for this game lol

[flint spoke]

8gb should be fine

game eats cpus for breakfast tho for sure

[flint spoke]

you should be able to get like at least 60fps everywhere but rostok tho. but maybe not. maybe 5800x3d cache makes it much better than that cpu, idk.

[spare coral]

With that cpu shouldnt be hitting 60 on any town imo

[flat brook]

I will say, the 9800X3D is running like a dream

Temps are… Odd though.

Emptied and refilled coolant in my AIO prior to installing the new board and chip, made sure there was no air in the system, pump is running at about 80/90% speed

Idle temps between 35-45, under load doesn’t pass 60 however

13700K used to idle around 22-28c, and usually stop at 65 under load

[glass vault]

helps that its drawing much less power than the 13700k

[grizzled drift]

Why are temps odd? Seems good to me

[maiden sinew]

thats really good, under load and still being safe is like ~85c, so no worries unless ur either idling at like 50+ or hitting 100 under load

[grizzled drift]

Yeah, my 7800X3D get's around the same idle temps and then dances around 65C on Stalker 2

[maiden sinew]

mine sits around 75 but i also have a 14900kf so pretty good for that cpu

[coral token]

5800x3d on air cooler idle is around 35c with ambient temp in room around 24c while in stalker 2 goes up to 60-65c

[plucky quail]

Yea Could be that AMD pulls more power when idle then Intel. Intel is there really efficient but looses when there is load.

[coral token]

all calculations about system temp should also include ambient room temp around the system

[plucky quail]

Could also be that if his room was that day much hotter than before.

[coral token]

I mean all I know due to having central heating they heat this place too much just to get their money worth over winter lol as central heating company doesn't earn anything during summer here

[plucky quail]

Who whats central heating company... I am not form US

[coral token]

I'm not either

[plucky quail]

Whats central Heating Company?

[coral token]

Old soviet relic lol

Basically block apartments here are all heated by these centralised heating system houses around that distribute heat

[scarlet spruce]

heat prices are insane

[coral token]

for real

only upside is I don't have to chuck wood in stove every few hours to keep warm I guess like I do at country house but still if I could I'd change the heating level in apartment it's too warm

[flat brook]

The idle temps caught me off guard, where the 13700K idled between 18-25c, and went up to 65c under load @140W

[pure ibex]

https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged-nvidia-rtx-titan-ada-surfaces-with-18432-cuda-cores-and-48gb-gddr6-memory-alongside-gtx-2080-ti-prototype

It finally dropped

[tawny thicket]

so collectively in all these votes i made : AMD is at 71% and intel is 29%

[pulsar nimbus]

when was the last actual Titan?

I can't even recall now.

[tawny thicket]

i think tuuuring maaaaybe

W TITAN RTX

[rare temple]

I mean it's a very small set (25 people voted). Not sure it's a true representation out there in the wild. I didn't see the poll in time so I wasn't able to add to it, but I'm also running an AMD CPU (Ryzen 5 3600). I have been using AMD CPU's since the Duron/Athlon days. Went from that to Phenom II and now Ryzen 5.

[tawny thicket]

i was collecting info **outside **of this server too

collectively there were 75 votes..... some of those were people who voted twice on this server so more like 70 for unique votes

[flat brook]

20 series IIRC

[pure ibex]

Correct

Gamers nexus gotta collab with that guy

To merge there mega cooler

With the 40 series titan

[pulsar nimbus]

I remember the shock and awe of the very first Titan to drop.

[agile harbor]

Sure, its a fully unlocked AD102 but otherwise, not all that unlike 6000 Ada. Its not that interesting but neat a few exist.

[pure ibex]

Gotta get the overclock benchmarks

Probably like the gtx 480 512

Where those last few cores increase power draw by like 30 percent

[pulsar nimbus]

I want my GPU to increase my monthly electric bill tenfold

[agile harbor]

3090 > 4090 my average system power draw went down. Looking like that won't be the case with 5090 but we'll see. Reviews up the 24th, according to Videocardz this morning.

[pure ibex]

Samsung 8nm was not a very good node

It was just the better deal

Why nvidia went with it

But it runs hot

And doesn’t have much oc headroom

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/amd-says-intels-horrible-product-is-causing-ryzen-9-9800x3d-shortages#

Mate you can’t be fucken real

There fucken claws out like it’s the 90s

[wide gulch]

suffering from success

[pulsar nimbus]

Insane considering it's a nearly $500 CPU

Not exactly chump change for builders these days. The fact that they can't keep up supply is nuts. Though having just built my new PC with it....yeah, it's worth it.

[pure ibex]

You get what you pay for

[pulsar nimbus]

Maybe even more, this thing is a f*cking animal

[pure ibex]

agreed hardly a scam if it lives up to every dollar your paying haha

Should have seen amd back in the day

They completely lost the plot we’re selling 1000 dollar gaming cpus

[pulsar nimbus]

Oh yeah, they've had their share of very hard lessons to learn. Used to be the butt of the joke about spaceheating CPUs that still couldn't quite match the efficiency and performance of the Intel line. Very funny to see the roles completely reverse.

[pure ibex]

I mean for a while they were top dog

So they felt they could sell that shit for 1000 dollars

[tawny thicket]

this is the most funniest thing i've ever seen

[pure ibex]

That’s what I’m saying bro

[tawny thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/intc-stock-intc-coffin-intel-coffin-gif-14403125517727857092

[coral token]

Honestly back then Intel was f*cking over AMD through bribes lol now they can't repeat that anymore

[pure ibex]

The threat of If you use amd products we will cut you off isn’t really a threat anymore

[coral token]

You know what's funny for me Intel was like we are top dog and then AMD was like sike b*tch here x86-64

[pure ibex]

The horror we can’t use your dog shit products anymore

What ever will we do

[pure ibex]

Still called amd64 officially

They also invented the silicon interposer

[coral token]

and chiplet design lol

[pure ibex]

Which is what allowed all hbm memory to work

[coral token]

now even Intel is coping and trying to make chiplet cpus

[pure ibex]

Using silicon interposers

Which is like a good idea on paper

But

Intel botched the execution

[tawny thicket]

🤣😂

you mean they are also going to glue their CPUs together?

[coral token]

Ye

[tawny thicket]

well they allready are🤣

[coral token]

They were like gluing cpus together is stupid and now are doing it themselves lol

[pure ibex]

To be fair intels method is better on paper

But so far it’s not paying off

[coral token]

I mean I remember the first infinity fabric chips and how they performed and Intel fanboys were like that will slow down cpu since FCLK is limited by RAM speed lol

but look how table has turned being able to put IO die separate from chiplets

[tawny thicket]

well they are more technologically advanced buuut that packaging cost must be really high

[coral token]

like biggest benefit is all the IO stuff is out of the smallest node and that die size comparison to traditional die size for more cores is far more compact so each silicon wafer gives more

[pure ibex]

They cry wah wah wah latency

But who fucken cares if anywhere except xoc amd still faster

[coral token]

bro AMD with the shittiest CPU lineup actually beat Intel on highest frequency OC as well lol

one thing AM3 did alright was actually frequency

[pure ibex]

Am3 has phenoms

Which we’re fine

[coral token]

for real

sad I got on it too late and made more sense to get 9370

but well waited with that setup till zen+ and then upgraded

[pure ibex]

I had a 9700k 9900ks and 10900k

[coral token]

and some of my setup is still from that time aka ram and mobo

[pure ibex]

Then I switched over

I repped intel till intel started losing

[coral token]

I just see no reason to get X570

[pure ibex]

[coral token]

my next upgrade probably will be AM6 or late AM5

[tawny thicket]

does anyone remember intels core truths presentation 🙂

[pure ibex]

Was this the one

Where they tried to claim amd products sucked because uh

We said they suck

So they totally do

[pure ibex]

Once they stop selling v cache cpus for am4

Am4 isn’t worth it at all

Only real saving grace is

You can get a combo deal at places like micro center with cpu board and ram for 300 bux

And that comes with a 5700x3d

Right now I’m thinking what what the next am5 cpus are

Buy one of them with new board and cudimms

Delid that bitch

[coral token]

I mean I already have X470 is why I said it's useless

[pure ibex]

Oh true

[coral token]

only benefit is PCIE4.0 lol

[long geyser]

5800x3d holding so well I can skip even 9800x3d

[coral token]

It's what am doing as well

[glass vault]

What a good x3d chips on am4 gets you a entry level am5 kit

[coral token]

Well I mean it's why you don't need to instantly go AM5 if you have AM4 board and get 5700x3d/5800x3d

[pure ibex]

10800x3d or what ever

Will be FIRE

[glass vault]

7700x starts to trade blows. and if you got microcenter its a better deal for 400$ with mobo and 32gb of ram

[coral token]

I'm in Europe there's not a chance for microcenter here lol

[coral token]

For real lol

[flint spoke]

neither is there a chance in most of the us

meanwhile i have one 25 mins away. the next nearest one from that is like 10 hours away 😂

[coral token]

I mean I'd move to city that has microcenter

[tawny thicket]

im sure it will be some AI BS name

[glass vault]

feel like they are gonna change naming scheme

[coral token]

That AMD AI 300+ Pro or whatever Laptop cpu is insane tho

[pure ibex]

400 ai deluxe super ultra oc edition and knuckles

[glass vault]

assuming that they get the npu

[pure ibex]

We have a micro center it’s kinda cool

[glass vault]

god bless their bundles

[pure ibex]

It’s kinda empty atm gpu wise me and my boy was there yesterday

[glass vault]

saw 12900k bundle for 300

[pure ibex]

They had nothing lol

[glass vault]

liquidated all stock for new series last i saw they had 2 gpus including refurb

[pure ibex]

They had 7600 and 6600 listed for the same price

Which was very funny

[coral token]

I mean performance wise they not that far lmao

[tawny thicket]

so RYZEN 7600 and RX 6600? right?

[glass vault]

i like seeing a monitor with stuck pixels and no extra parts selling for more than the monitor new since it got a reduced price

[wide gulch]

i tried to pre-order cpu. in my country its 750-800

[pure ibex]

No rx 7600 and rx 6600

[wide gulch]

from official partners lol

[tawny thicket]

oh i guess they are both radeon (the x confused me)

[pure ibex]

9950x3d rise up

[glass vault]

5090 and 5080 performance embargos open jan 24th

[coral token]

I mean look at 6k series and 7k series benchmarks difference at most of same SKU is around 5-10%

[wide gulch]

i hope everyone will hop on 9950x3d so i could buy 9800x3d

[tawny thicket]

nah : the 7600 has more cores so its like 10-20% faster

[glass vault]

honestly the 9800x3d from the 7800x3d wasn't as big of a jump as i was expecting

[pure ibex]

I mean still it should cost more lol

6600 should be like 200 bux

They also didn’t have any b580s

Super sad

[tawny thicket]

actually : looked it up : its 26%

[pure ibex]

If you disable one ccd on the 9950x3d

It will clock higher

6ghz v cache when

[coral token]

it's a bigger jump from 5800x3d to 9800x3d but 7800x3d wasn't worth to jump to from 5800x3d aka new mobo new ram

[pure ibex]

9800x3d is worth since it can oc to 5.7ghz easily

[glass vault]

its still good just not worth to upgrade if you got 7000x3d chip

[wide gulch]

shortage is real on AMD cpu

thanks to intel

[glass vault]

sortage?

[coral token]

it is almost worth if you have 5800x3d but that is still most likely as most who still on AM4 will most likely run x series and b series motherboards which most good ones were over 100 usd

[coral token]

x3d shortage

[wide gulch]

hell yeah

[pure ibex]

Intel getting pounded so hard they and can’t keep there CPUs in stock

[glass vault]

its gonna be interesting when zen 6 with 12core ccds get vcache

[coral token]

and if you go for current AM5 mobo prices with same bells and whistles as for example B480 X470 B580 X570 yeah nah not worth it

plus also ram cost

[glass vault]

only reason am5 was a better deal for me was microcenter and their bundle discounts

[coral token]

also if you're new to pcs rn you can nab a good combo on AM4 lol

[wide gulch]

maybe intel will drop new "3d cache" cpu so AMD shortage will be more manageable this year lol

[glass vault]

if you are spending more towards 1k get am5 but lower budget am4 is still the best bet

[tawny thicket]

their CPUs that no one cares about

[coral token]

imagine Intel claiming AMD is bad for making chiplet design then following it then also now making 3d cache to follow while stated X3Ds didn't beat Intel in gaming

[glass vault]

its not chiplet its tile duhh different

[coral token]

intel coping so hard that AMD's glued CPUs are destroying them and Intels rusting CPUs are being complete mess

[tawny thicket]

see its not super glue its ethyl 2-cyanoacrylate

[glass vault]

they are doing x3d but for xeons first

[coral token]

Intel is behind even on server side against AMD

[glass vault]

their pure e core one was interesting

[tawny thicket]

everyone cares about those right? right?

[glass vault]

its where cpu companies make money so they care about enterprise first

[coral token]

a lot of high end enthusiasts care more about threadripper than Intel xeons lol

[tawny thicket]

and also : 91% ECA, 9% poly(methyl methacrylate), <0.5% hydroquinone, and a small amount of organic sulfonic acid, and variations on the compound n-butyl cyanoacrylate for medical applications) have come to be used for specific applications.

[glass vault]

even old xeons are unwanted draw too much power for their performance and socket lifespan was dog shit. sp3 socket winning

[coral token]

still wild that for me to beat Stalker 2 took 74hr 42 min and I wasn't actually running and exploring everything I was teleporting at times lol

[glass vault]

i did it in 22hr

[coral token]

I wasn't rushing only story

[glass vault]

i mainlined the quests tho

[coral token]

also I went strelok ending

[glass vault]

i did ward 😦

[coral token]

which iirc takes longest time

[glass vault]

now never gonna touch ward ending again

[tawny thicket]

im going that way too

[coral token]

strelok one while it was im killing everyone was satisfying

and that end sequence was man I loved it

[tawny thicket]

well i am no where in the shtory yet but......

[glass vault]

i gotta rebuild my movie and tv show library my dvd rips got corrupted/deleted 😦

[tawny thicket]

also we are in the NO SPOILER category just saying

[coral token]

well it's quite obvious about what kind of endings you can expect from almost very beginning

I'd say Strelok one is less obscure ig

[tawny thicket]

i dont think that this spoils anything (what we are talking about) but still

[coral token]

Ward Skif and Spark you figure out in Zalissya

[glass vault]

Wasn't it 4 endings and 4 factions. I just assumed it was gonna be one for each group.

[coral token]

for me this one was mostly Spark side till it wasn't tbh

[glass vault]

I kinda just accepted any option to kill the person tbh. I crave the bad endings where alot of people die

[coral token]

p sure most people die on Strelok one

[glass vault]

That was my dying light 2 play through as well

[coral token]

but it's not factions it's leaders

well Monolith gets f*cked in any ending lol

[pure ibex]

I mean the 285 is already been a product

[tawny thicket]

AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

🤣

[pure ibex]

Maybe Cyrix is gonna revive from the grave

They were infamously killed by quake

[glass vault]

how bad will my v3 xeon handle av1 encoding

[pure ibex]

I mean who’s even gonna be buying

Epyc has the entire market cornered

In both power efficiency and performance

[glass vault]

i paid 150 for 28 cores and 96gb of ram on this system it was cheap

and so far it hates it. crashes attempting the encode

i am just gonna do my encoding on my main rig and send it over

[grizzled drift]

Oh Intel chips always idle lower than the new Ryzen chips tbh

I used to be able to get my 12700k to like 21C

Not happening on the 7800X3D lol

[pure ibex]

Can easily happen if you delid

It’s due to the ihs design

It’s bad

[grizzled drift]

Yeah cause its thicker

luckily that changed on the 9000s

[glass vault]

they did that for old cooler compatibility i thought

[pure ibex]

I mean like who cares that much though tbh

Like yes I can use a socket 939 cooler on am5

But why

[glass vault]

yeah makes sense for am4 only anything older than that won't work as well for the new chips

[pure ibex]

The same mount has been used by amd since 2003

No one would cry if they changed it

[flat brook]

Yeah was just not expecting that, but just doing an Aida64 and Ryzen master stress test, didn’t go past 63c @ 5.2GHz 1.27v, so that’s fine atleast

[glass vault]

they are hot for being a 120w chip

or 120 for the 7950x3d

mine chills at 45c

[flat brook]

Aye, peculiar how it idles high with 7 cores parked, but under full load it barely climbs

[glass vault]

must be for stability

still can't believe how bad windows built in zip extractor is

seems my 7950x3d tops at 75-77C with the d15

[plucky quail]

https://tenor.com/view/skype-cool-sunglasses-skype-cool-gif-23205667

[glass vault]

wonder whats gonna happen when nvidia releases a consumer arm cpu

[pure ibex]

Will be interesting perhaps arm for windows will finally become a thing

[glass vault]

nvidia is gonna fund 90% of the development i feel like. if they do desire arm for enterprise and consumer

[pure ibex]

Also switch 2

Which apparently is finally fr fr fr fr fr this time gonna get revealed this Thursday

[glass vault]

watch it not get announced

[raw sleet]

u guys think the new 50 series cards will ship with a PSU adapter? I got an evga 850w psu but it still just has the previous gen PCIE power connectors. or should I be planning to replace the PSU for atx 3 spec?

[coarse linden]

I recall some sites putting on 5080 listings that it does

Atleast Asus ones seems to have adapter and support bracket included

[raw sleet]

hmm, the more i consider it, the more I think i'm just going to replace the PSU for a native atx 3 model; just to be safe

[coarse linden]

If you got the extra money to splurge on it why not

[raw sleet]

honestly pricing isn't too bad on them; $140usd for 850w

[coarse linden]

All depends how quality one you want

[raw sleet]

either gonna stick with evga or get another corsair

[coarse linden]

Personally have found some fondness for be quiet's lineup

Seemingly doing good in reviews

[raw sleet]

my previous corsair (rm850 iirc) ran bout 5yrs straight; only time it was off was if the power went out or extended downtime for other reasons

an evga i'm using now has been goin pretty strong about 2yr

[coarse linden]

My old PC had 450w Super Flower. Shamefully tortured it with 500w loads. Now days its running my server

[raw sleet]

toss a coin I guess hehe

[coarse linden]

Seasonics bit too finnicky when it came to transient spikes

Had to replace it with this Fractal 760w one

[coarse linden]

I mean as i recall EVGA PSU's atleast in past were just rebranded super flowers

[raw sleet]

huh.. didn't know that; was just checkin out a corsair rm1000x with atx 3.1 / pcie5 3.1 spec under $200usd.. not bad

[coarse linden]

Honestly most PSU's are just rebranded

[coral token]

yep they were and I think a part of them still are

[coarse linden]

Not really issue when its quality ones being rebranded

[coral token]

Corsair makes their own stuff

[coarse linden]

Yeah and Seasonic if i recall correctly

[coral token]

well I have HX1200i the good old blue white lettering one for years already and have 0 issues with it

[coarse linden]

Good PSU lasts 10 years+ easy as long as Nvidia doesnt pull new connectors out of its rear again

[coral token]

https://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/corsair-hx1200i-80-plus-platinum-power-supply-review/ exactly this one lol

[coral token]

it also comes with 10 year warranty lol

[raw sleet]

yeah, that's my main concern really, but now that im seeing 5090fe min suggested is 1000w; my current 850 aint gonna cut it

[coarse linden]

850w will run it just fine

[raw sleet]

that's kinda what I was thinking too, but I really don't want to risk an adapter issue

i don't plan to OC the GPU

[coarse linden]

They oberblow the suggested wattages so count for people with SuperChinaPSUmegaultra 20000w ones

And guarantee they wont get sued

[coral token]

what's wild about my PSU is its at current loads 94.1% efficient lol

[raw sleet]

yeah, probably right about that; still think i'd probably better not risk it and get a new unit with the native connector

[coral token]

as my system doesn't draw more than 600w

[coarse linden]

Doubt it rarely even draws that

[coral token]

I mean RX6800XT during S2 draws 203w

so it's not that much really

[coarse linden]

I dont really remember how well corsairs efficiency curves went

[coral token]

look at the link I sent page 5 or 6 of the review has efficiency curve

[coarse linden]

Ah

[coral token]

kitguru overall has good reviews of psus

sad thing is jonnyguru.com is gone

[coarse linden]

Yeah

[coral token]

curious if can see reviews of psus on waybackmachine

[coarse linden]

Fairly certain yeah

[coral token]

found out that can

but yeah he is reason I got HX1200i lol

[coarse linden]

There is PSU tier list on linus forums but since its linus up to you if you want to check out lol

And jonny was active there at some point

[coral token]

sad that GN doesn't do PSUs

[coarse linden]

Didnt they buy whole setup to do those?

[coral token]

well they don't have section for psus yet on their website

[flat brook]

Probably the worst thing about PSUs is having discussions with people who resort to cooler master esque websites for wattage calculations instead of doing the simple math themselves

And then completely overblowing the suggestion

[coarse linden]

Math is hard

Thats why phones were invented

[flat brook]

Apparently

Recently had a discussion with someone who had adamant I couldn’t be running a 13700K and 4070Ti-S because cooler master or some other random site said minimum 850w

[coral token]

mobile you mean

[glass vault]

cooler master calculator is good for finding rough estimates then just buy 100w-150w higher than the calculation

[coral token]

lets do that math on my setup

[flat brook]

Their suggestions are usually already 100-150 over

[glass vault]

some sites give two numbers the real power consumption and the recomended spec

[coral token]

hmm 629w

[coarse linden]

I mean cant really go wrong with 850w

[flat brook]

I just do CPU + GPU draw with 30-40w margin on each, 100-120w for the rest of the system, and then get 100w above that with a 80+G brick

[coral token]

they are overshooting it as at most actually my system draws bit under 600w

from wall

[coarse linden]

I mean generally you just want PSU to run 50% load when gaming

[coral token]

nah I got this PSU in era where multiple gpus were still a thing

[glass vault]

the golden rule what i've been told is to have your max load be 80% of the total load of the psu

[coarse linden]

So if that fabulous waifu pc draws 500w when gaming you get 1000w to be at "most efficient"

[coral token]

found out that my psu can handle 1344w at 91.9 efficiency lol

[coarse linden]

Generally not suggested to running over specs

[glass vault]

isn't that the burst load?

[coarse linden]

Just because it can doesnt mean you should lol

[coral token]

not saying I plan to I am not even hitting 50% lol

[coarse linden]

Review torture tests think run those like 30min to hour at that

[coral token]

max load not burst

[coarse linden]

Or if you got moneys just get one with biggest number and fattest prize tag

Corsair thanks you for the business

[glass vault]

seasonic is gonna be my next psu their 1200w vertex

[coral token]

I mean I did want to get AX1600i

saw price tag and settled for HX1200i lol

[coarse linden]

Ill probably end up with be quiets dark power pro

[glass vault]

seasonic 1200w with platnium or titanium rating for 250 is a good deal

[coarse linden]

Pretty much. I just dont want seasonics anywhere near my system after that transient spike fiasco

Too sensitive protections lol

[glass vault]

only gonna upgrade if some how the next nvidia card draws more than the 5090 some how

[coarse linden]

Dont think its possible to go over 5090

[glass vault]

it is watch them double up the connector

[coarse linden]

lol

[coral token]

lmao

[coarse linden]

1200w GPU oh yeah

[coral token]

can't wait for Nvidia top tier GPU to draw over 1000w

[glass vault]

their max is probably around 1200w for the gpu since the max 110v outlets can handle is 1600w for a breaker

[coarse linden]

Pretty sure your fuses in house start to cough up blood at that point

[coral token]

mine will be fine

[glass vault]

1600w will start triping the breaker constantly

[coarse linden]

Yeah good old iron nail

[coral token]

I have 16a 240v fuses

[coarse linden]

Electricity being so cheap too

[coral token]

so when pc will draw 4kw then I'll worry

[glass vault]

the one downside of USA 110v not 220-240v

[coarse linden]

Eh sucks to be murican

[vestal tusk]

7090 series fr

[glass vault]

nah guns are cool

[coarse linden]

5095!

[coral token]

Muricans will need to take power from both neighbouring houses lol

[coarse linden]

Back to good old dual GPU on 1 board shenanigans

[vestal tusk]

To be fair we didn't really build breakers with these extremely power thirsty pcs in mind

[coarse linden]

Eh dont need to be murican to have guns

[glass vault]

we have 240v but its mainly for appliances

[coral token]

now if I think about curent fuses in my house yeah those need to be updated those old soviet ones pop easy but also I am there on triple phase 380V

[vestal tusk]

Fr my main appliances are 240v

[vestal tusk]

Damn that seems high v

[coarse linden]

Heh still remember when all the talk was how PC's just going to drink less and less power so 450w was perfectly fine and in future "overkill"

[coral token]

UK has 415V

[vestal tusk]

My pc is pretty power hungry

[coral token]

I mean I have some stuff I need to run at house on that 3 phase

and old metal milling machine and a metal lathe

[vestal tusk]

Ah man that's sweet ngl

[coral token]

and most likely the future car lift will be on it as well

[vestal tusk]

👑

[coral token]

since I don't think it's worth buying 240v one

plus those are more costly

[coral token]

I mean it's old soviet machinery

but what I know about these machines if they are calibrated correctly age doesn't matter

[vestal tusk]

Love quality craftsmanship like that

[coral token]

I mean look up any old lathes and mills cost anywhere and you will see why they cost as much still because you can still do a lot with just a manual mill

another thing I know that costs a lot are all those old power hammers that are used by blacksmiths those are expensive and made so long ago

[agile harbor]

I'm sad. Just booted up Cyberpunk to mess around and I can't believe I can play that game in full 4K Ultra in the fully pathtraced mode mode comfortably and have it look that good while S2 is over here in the state that it is. I sure hope in 2-3 years GSC can do the same thing CDPR did with their disaster at launch title.

[coral token]

I was playing CP2077 on launch tbh and didn't run in any bugs lol

[agile harbor]

Respectfully, I don't believe you. lol. Or you just didn't notice, which is wild. (I've got nearly 400 hours in it and played on day one all the way through)

The game is damn near a masterpiece today but its come so very far from where it was 4 years ago

[coral token]

I mean there were minor bugs some visual etc. but nothing game breaking for me at least

[maiden sinew]

the few bugs i ran into were just funny

I loved the random bikes that would fly around

[hearty pollen]

I played it on Xbox at release Ish (a few weeks after) and had more or less no serious bugs, and just funny ones like floating npc's and skyrim shenanigans style. Worked fine, However, my buddy on the same xbox had so many bugs he couldn't finish it. It's actually possible, but down to stupid luck

[raw sleet]

had it at release on pc also, only major bug I had was with the cyber-psycho side missions not counting as completed when all were taken down.

stuff like the traffic bugs where vehicles would drive through solid objects an stuff was funny; and the old fortified ankles bug where the higher your fps, the higher you could jump was cool (165fps let u jump like 15 stories high)

[sand nimbus]

Amd gpu user

[flint spoke]

5.1 L moment tbh, devs kind of got screwed having to use it

[late ferry]

sqepticism has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sand nimbus]

Im glad you realize it though. People suck on Lumen while PT in cyberpunk is literally a piece of art , tech wise. The fact that it even exists is mind blowing.

What gpu do u have

[grizzled drift]

• https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/88

• https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/484

(Some dope mods )

[coral token]

not sure about that one tbh

[coral token]

Lumen is honestly trash I'd rather have actual hardware RT

[sand nimbus]

Yes

[spare coral]

A good raster would look as good if not better than Lumen anyway

[sand nimbus]

Than lumen? Yeah. The reflections of mafia 1 definitive come to mind

[vestal tusk]

Naw 4070ti user

[agile harbor]

After about 20 hours or so with Ultra Plus, I think i'm going to remove it.

Ultimately, its just performing worse now that i'm over the initial honeymoon period.

Might just go back to a tweaked Engine.ini, I think I had overall more fun just focusing on the game during my first playthrough that way.

It looked great, but with the way this game performs there just isn't enough headroom for anything additional that taxes the system.

[agile harbor]

4090, for now.

[sand nimbus]

Meh i wouldn't "upgrade" it

[sand nimbus]

Does it look better than vanilla tho, performance is irrelevant

[agile harbor]

Yes, but performance has certainly become relevant.

I enjoyed the game itself more the first go around with a tweaked Engine.ini and getting a stable 117fps (frame cap) most everywhere vs. now.

[sand nimbus]

As long as you dont drop under 60 its ok

[agile harbor]

To get a solid experience now I have to run DLSS Performance. DLSS Quality + Framegen was achievable before but now, DLSS Quality results in base performance that will drop below 60 and FG feels like trash because of it.

I really don't like DLSS Performance even starting at a base res of 4K.

[sand nimbus]

This game lmfao

[agile harbor]

It needs another year+ in the oven

[sand nimbus]

At that point i let it patch up for 2 or more years.

[tawny thicket]

Nah intel CPU user

[sand nimbus]

Vo awe.

[tawny thicket]

It can look pretty good but its noisy AF

[agile harbor]

I think the tech is all fine, but that doesn't account for its specific implementation

[safe pine]

14700kf still not able to run this i cant call it here cause of rules why scam ppl

oops wrong chat

[long geyser]

Any users with ARMOURY CRATE installed with rgb configured to take up a noteworthy percentage of your CPU wanna go ahead and try to close the aura application through task manager and report back results? (Percentage could be 3-5%, less for 8+ cores, more for less than 8)

[glass vault]

Alot of 1st party RGB software from Asus,MSI,nzxt. All take up a decent amount of system RGB. There are a few open source RGB software that might make it lighter

[agile harbor]

Armory Crate as a whole is probably the worst offender. I don't let that touch any system I'm remotely involved with.

They have a whole separate uninstall tool for it and it still doesn't remove everything it installs.

RGB, fan control and system monitoring is done better with alternatives anyway.

[glass vault]

It was signal RGB that can do RGB control

[agile harbor]

It can now also manage fan curves

[ember scaffold]

Does the game still have issues with Video memory usage?

asking so I know if I can put my game back on Epic settings or if I'm going to waste my time

[ember scaffold]

Why would your CPU matter when video games are GPU intensive?

from 12400f and above, they can all handle 60 fps in this title

and this is mostly because of the NPCs which are very CPU intensive

Anyway, the only major difference in CPUs is 1% lows

[flat brook]

Damn, that’s a whole lot of false statements in one sentence

[severe bison]

Remove your CPU and play Stalker 2

[tidal sluice]

how is the game running with a 4060ti 16gb?

[glass vault]

I mean he didn't say what resolution so you can assume it's 1080 or lower

[glass vault]

Probably 1080 medium settings at least at 60fps since 4060 is 1080p med 60fps

[tidal sluice]

planning to get the game cuz it looks good

[glass vault]

Expect bugs and tinker with settings. But otherwise it's an very enjoyable experience. Storyline was great

[agile harbor]

NGL I couldn't follow that to save my life but I had a great time either way!

[glass vault]

i did a little to stop stuttering but after that never touched them again

[agile harbor]

I meant the story lol

[glass vault]

it was hazy yeah but the closer you get the ending i understood it better

[ember scaffold]

He's complaining about not being able to play the game on a 14700kf pc

but he's not taking the GPU into account or the memory capacity

14700kf can process about 80 fps in Stalker 2 per second

with 67 1% lows

[tawny thicket]

*not always

[ember scaffold]

yes, they can. 12400f gets up to 63-68 fps max

on all non CPU settings

So the problem here for the guy is not the CPU

[flat brook]

No one said his CPU isn’t powerful enough, if you’d been on this discord long enough you’d know that the game has a tendency to put even top end hardware to its knees for unknown reasons

[agile harbor]

CPU's are a huge concern in this title in its current state

I'd be very weary of a 12400f

[flat brook]

Contrary to popular believe, it’s very CPU intensive.

And a 12400f is not getting 60+fps everywhere, definitely not in NPC hubs

[agile harbor]

I'm flipping CPU bound at times at 4K Epic with a 7800x3D

Which, interestingly, i also see in another UE5 title, The First Descendant, in specific areas.

[ember scaffold]

You guys are so f ing blind, lmao

Read the chat and shut your mouth. The guy was complaining about his 14700kf not getting playable fps

so the issue is from his side of other hardware, not the CPU. Unless it's a oxidization issue

[agile harbor]

There is no need to respond in that way.

[ember scaffold]

The guy is talking about stuff he has no idea about. He's not even reading the chats from yesterday

[flat brook]

I suggest you save the childish behavior for https://discord.com/channels/504587323577729024/504592685428899851

You clearly have no idea how CPU affects GPU utilization.

There have been many cases before you even got into this discord where high end chips were somehow not able to keep the main render thread up to speed, effectively choking the GPU.

That’s not a GPU related issue.

That’s a software related issue.

If the game chokes and decides it only wants to use one core for something, choking both the main render thread AND the gpu, getting a better GPU isn’t gonna solve your issue. That’s an uneducated assumption to make.

[grizzled drift]

Yeah fair enough, I get where you're coming from, I really like the way it looks so I'll take the performance hit lol

[agile harbor]

I could pull it down off of Epic but then I feel like i'm defeating the purpose

[grizzled drift]

Right yeah, gotta have that movie quality lol

Even tho their High is technically Epic and Epic is higher than in-game epic

[flat brook]

IIRC the dev of Ultra+ said that Ultra+ High is Vanilla epic, and Ultra+ Epic is beyond that

[grizzled drift]

^

[agile harbor]

Yeah maybe i'll give that a shot later

[grizzled drift]

Running Ultra Epic with everything maxed brings me to high 90s FPS

low 100s

[flat brook]

Checks out, I was in the same boat more or less

The artifacting with Ray reconstruction kind of put me off from it however, reflections in puddles looked more like LOD3 trees than anything else

[agile harbor]

I am.. not seeing that at all

[grizzled drift]

What do you get?

[grizzled drift]

Yeah you kinda pick your poison when it comes to reflections, either get noisy ones or artifacty ones

[agile harbor]

with FG and RR, 70-80's, but the base pre-FG is at a point where enabling FG feels like garbage again.

I might actually wipe the game out entirely and reinstall. Been through a lot of mucking about with mods since launch.

[flat brook]

I gotta say, the way I have my configs setup, vanilla reflections are pretty crisp

[agile harbor]

I did crank both of the reflection options in the UltraPlusConfig to their max

[grizzled drift]

Is this on DLAA?

[agile harbor]

DLSS Quality, sorry

[grizzled drift]

Hmm weird

You have 4090 and what cpu?

[spare coral]

7800x3d wasnt it

[grizzled drift]

Yeah same setup then, weird that you're getting like 20-30 fps less

[agile harbor]

I might have to go and really analyze things again later. yeah, 7800x3D. Just crushed Indiana Jones at 4K Supreme full PT and coming back to this game is just depressing.

[grizzled drift]

Wait you're playing 4k

[agile harbor]

Yeah

[grizzled drift]

I'm on 3440x1440, that's why the fps difference lol

[agile harbor]

Oh, yeah thats my old res. The difference was staggering lol

[grizzled drift]

Yeah makes sense then

[hard juniper]

the difference in performance is shocking isn't it

really wish we had some insight into what went so catastrophically wrong with optimisation

[agile harbor]

Even Cyberpunk in full PT mode, DLSS Quality, 4K and its super smooth and minimal input latency.

[grizzled drift]

One day this game will have Cyberpunk 2.0+ levels of optimization lol

[spare coral]

Yeah coming from indiana's game at ultra with smooth framerate to this game does make me sad

[agile harbor]

That's what I hope for. All said and done I already had a full 115 hour playthrough of S2, enjoyed it. Maybe I need to put it down for now.

[grizzled drift]

Yeah that's fair

[spare coral]

I have 60+ and i stopped playing cause im waiting for updates

[flat brook]

Relying on Nanite for LODs for one, lumen for light maps for two, world partition likely for third

[agile harbor]

The CPU is just doing too much

or being relied on for too much, to be more specific

[hard juniper]

the wonders of unreal engine

i hope at least cdpr can get it right

[agile harbor]

I'd love to see some more hardware acceleration. I listened to the Digital Foundry podcast segment this morning on the upcoming UE 5.4 game Black State. Its very interesting.

timestamped, if interested (nerdy game/graphics dev stuff) https://youtu.be/HLxVskv2zs0?list=PLY9cZ8nX4xmmJs_01xwUSwyzTNycA93pz&t=2209

[sand nimbus]

Imagine playing 4k when 24 inch 1440p is the New Standard

[opaque moat]

1440p is 27

i mean most common. 24 inch 1440p is rare

and yes its gradually becoming standard recommendation.

[spare coral]

Im on a 32 1080p 60hz tv

[flat brook]

144p 24hz or bust

[flint spoke]

whats the latency on that

[glass vault]

more than 1

[spare coral]

Looks worse than my brother's 5ms monitor so prolly worse than that

[coarse linden]

Absolutely disgusting

[glass vault]

gaming on the tft display

[coarse linden]

27" 1080p is already disgusting

No idea why they make such abominations

[glass vault]

i saw asus made a 27" 4k monitor and honestly i don't think it needs to be that small 1440p already looks amazing at that size

[coarse linden]

Issue is pixel density with 27" fullhd

Probably why people dont notice TAA vaseline

[glass vault]

24 for 1080, 27 for 1440p and 32 for 4k

[coarse linden]

Sounds about right

[agile harbor]

Pshh, I went 2560x1600 in 2009, 3440x1440 in 2016 so it was 4k time in 2023.

[sand nimbus]

Thats why the PPI is OP

[jagged chasm]

Oddly enough, stalker 2 runs fine on rx6600 and i5 9400f on medium

[spare coral]

My ips monitor died while i was playing stalker 2 so i had to use whatever i had stored in my house lmao

Cant afford a decent new one cause the prices here are 4x of what they are in other countries

[coral token]

That blows

[hard juniper]

my first pc used a 1360x720 tv

pretty wild looking back on it

[agile harbor]

engineering masterpiece https://youtu.be/-p0MEy8BvYY

[coral token]

never used a tv for a pc

[tawny thicket]

i'm surprised that that I5 still functions

[jagged chasm]

if it works, it works

[tawny thicket]

well ................true

[sand nimbus]

I still had that last year for a few months to use dude my eyes still have permanent damage

[raw sleet]

i'm surprised my eyes didn't melt out of my head for all those years in the past I spent in front of CRTs..

[glass vault]

the new dlss 4 just the upscaling part looks so much better. pretty impressive how much it got cleaned up

[opaque moat]

yup... and best part about it is....40 series getting it. sad the multi frame gen is 50 series only

[glass vault]

i also assume 40 series is also getting the small latency improvement for fg

[opaque moat]

i dont notice it.

[glass vault]

other people complain so much about it. at this point i feel like it might be a self gaslighting to people thinking they can notice the small latency increase. or just having under 60fps and turning fg on and blaming it

[opaque moat]

i really dont notice it lol. i move it moves, i click it aims/shoots. i always play max settings 1440p on all games and never notice it. probably because im not a competitive gamer and more casual

[glass vault]

i never notice it. until the game hicups but thats not fg issue just stutter.

[opaque moat]

games are never finished anymore like back in the Halo 1 days. if it was on CD meant it was finished.

nowadays its patch, update, hotfix, hotpatch

[glass vault]

not every game sony has releases which are fully finished for pc ports with maybe 10 patches in its lifetime. its more of a developer issue wanting money and don't care about a finished product

[stiff finch]

7800xt, i5-13500, 65 inch 4k 144 hz tv, playing 1440 smooth as butter 200 hours with a handful of crashes.

[glass vault]

its suprising how little this game crashes. usually just starts slowing down and a quick restart fixes

[stiff finch]

I force close on first boothp to skip the shader issue

[flint spoke]

whats the model of your monitor and mouse 🤔

[glass vault]

3080 ti and neo g8

Yeah fg has downsides but their biggest downside is artifacts not the 10-20ms of latency

[flint spoke]

wth vrr on your input lag is like 13ms higher than mine which is crazy

well

rtings doesn't expliticitly list vrr on for my monitor, so it might not bad THAT much of a difference

[glass vault]

The 10-20 number is additional latency not total

the highest i had for latency has been around 40-50 total

[flint spoke]

what do you use to check it btw, uh, nvidia app I guess?

[glass vault]

yeah. if i were to do more testing i would probably use different apps

[flint spoke]

also I just learned my montior has backlight strobing but not with vrr enabled

[glass vault]

i heard issues with the neo g7 and g8 to have flickering but i never had issues. well right as i say this i can now see some flicker. would be funny if i just gaslight myself

oh it was my wallpaper engine triggering the dimming zones

[flint spoke]

i guess there are also response time, i have no idea how that factors in either 😂

[flint spoke]

yeah idk. I do know nvidia broke 60hz refresh awhile back for a lot of monitors, I think by now most people have more than 60hz refresh rates tho

[glass vault]

might've been that since most forums were a few years old

[flint spoke]

like 60hz and VRR straight up still doesn't work to this day on a number of monitors

so those people are stuck using old drivers

[glass vault]

nvidia doesn't care about the support because of how common higher hz monitors are.

[flint spoke]

yea like vr, niche stuff is not a priority at all

shit i sometimes wonder if gaming is even a priority for microsoft these days 😄 i kind of dont think so

[glass vault]

its an edge case and will only continue being an edge case

[flint spoke]

yea

[glass vault]

seems all they care about is like every other company must add ai into our product

even hdds are getting the ai treatment like wtf does a AI hard drive do

[flint spoke]

lmao right

[glass vault]

looked more into it all the diffence is is one claims to be able to handl 1-32 ai streams whatever that means

[glass vault]

just realized you asked mouse not gpu (g502)

[hollow kettle]

Hey I have the same mouse

[glass vault]

i have wired and wireless both are so nice

[hollow kettle]

I’ve had this wired baby since 2015 or 16 and it still works like new

Although I think there are various models of g502

Mine may be older model than yours but roughly the same

[glass vault]

the normal g502 not the dumb g502x

g502 SE & g502 lightspeed

[hollow kettle]

I believe mine is normal wired version. It was one of the first models to release back when I got it I think

Yeah I just checked mine is OG 502 that released in 2014 originally. Love this thing. I got a new mouse for free with this keyboard I got recently but idk if it is even any good

[glass vault]

got the lightspeed since my pc was gonna be put farther than the original length could reach

getting one on ebay for 60$ was a good deal

[hollow kettle]

IBuyPower chimera keyboard & mouse are the new ones I got. Cheap but decent enough quality for me. Haven’t even checked out the mouse to see what all buttons and stuff it has

Yeah I think I paid like $80 or $70 for my 502

[glass vault]

i got sick of cheap keyboards bought a hotswap one made from a block of cnc aluminum and been rocking it for two years and not a single problem yet. gotta love the heavy keyboards

[hollow kettle]

Well my last keyboard was some really cheap 60% board from Amazon lol so this one is a lot better. Full size & keys are much quiter and more responsive. Just feels better to game on for long periods of time too

[late ferry]

sqepticism has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glass vault]

womp womp

[flint spoke]

oh yeah i was going to say

i need to replace the freaking switch in my 502 lightspeed, logitech are cheap b******s

like shooting full auto will just stop and restart and shit like that

the switches on these things are known to be low quality. i guess I should order a higher quality switch (can find them online, ones that actually last) but its kind of a bit**** to take them apart

[late ferry]

sqepticism has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[flint spoke]

i like how this entire game is killing people, including the option to kill people who probably don't deserve it and I can't freaking cuss in here

[flat brook]

You totally fucking.. can

Just have to finesse it a bit more instead of taking the Darwinian approach

[hollow kettle]

When was the last time stalker had an update?

[vestal tusk]

before christmas

[hollow kettle]

I don’t think I have played since then honestly. I have become addicted to cyberpunk hopefully another update is soon tho

[vestal tusk]

a fellow based 2077 enjoyer i hope updates soon been keeping tabs while i play other games

[hollow kettle]

I just got cyberpunk week or so ago and already have about 50 hours in lvl 38. About to buy the dlc

That & helldivers 2 is about all I been playing. Even tho I have 5 other new games I have barely touched lol

[sand nimbus]

Cyberpunk basically becomes unbelievably stunning the second you turn on Path tracing. Its absolutely unreal

[fading stone]

patch when 😩

[plucky quail]

You mean Absolutely Unreal Engine Performance?

[sand nimbus]

Tf is you

[plucky quail]

I saw a Video of a guy testing the new MFG in CP77 and he was on DLSS Performance PT with 4x FG. You could see the Artifacts. Not even talking about what Perfromance DLSS brings. The FPS was quite High but was more a trade. Gonna look for when it gets released, maybe the Artifacts gonna be fixed till then?

[hard juniper]

it's night and day, makes the difference between no ray tracing and ray tracing look tiny

[sand nimbus]

The artifacting is marginal imo

But i dont care for frame gen i rather play smooth 40 or 30 fps than garble 100 fps from frame gen

[plucky quail]

No not really the same as AMDs AFMF2. Not huge Artifact but you can see that with movement. Yes AFMF is only 2 Times but it also has no Motion vectors. The space for AI cores they really could have put more RT or Cuda cores in. And get maybe 60 at 4K with that big of a Die.

[sand nimbus]

We gotta see

[ember scaffold]

I never noticed this since I play with path tracing on a 7900xtx

And the shot up rays are very noisy

I can barely make up what is in reflections with pathtracing turned on

[hard juniper]

yeah path tracing on amd isn't really worth it, worse in visuals and performance than with nvidia

[plucky quail]

How do you do that?

[sand nimbus]

They are capable of RT but its not comparable to even a 4060 in raw RT performance. Probably the reason it looks noisy for him

[plucky quail]

The 7900XTX?

[sand nimbus]

Yes also rx 6000 and up. Rdna2 gpus

[plucky quail]

No bro idk where you got the news that the 7900XTX looses in PT vs the 4060. I know that the 7900XTX is like the 70Super to 70TI performance. What is not great for 1000$ GPU but still faster then 4070 4060Ti and 4060 in Performance.

[sand nimbus]

Cap

[plucky quail]

For RDNA 2 i cant really say didnt see how good they really are but mostly you woulnt use it for RT anyway its 4 Years old now and back then RT was not on radar.

[sand nimbus]

The thing pulls 400 watt

[plucky quail]

No 355W most.

[sand nimbus]

4060 pulls 110 lololol

[plucky quail]

Also beats the 4080Super In raster

[sand nimbus]

Never supported amd gpus tbh

[plucky quail]

You dont need to "Support" a brand but i guess u are doing that already. You know how such guys get called?

[sand nimbus]

Yeah, chads

[plucky quail]

No Fanboys

How does Jen-Hsun taste like in your mouth?

[sand nimbus]

Its not stronger than a 4070 in RT dude. Atleast in cyberpunk. Far far from it even at 1080p native

[plucky quail]

4080Super 320W

[sand nimbus]

And rt overdrive crashes the game, lolll

[plucky quail]

Yes it is. Show me where you got that

[sand nimbus]

4 month's ago. The guy is famous for Benchmarks dont tell me hes not reputable

https://youtu.be/rvveQdbLf6E?si=dSKQV5-HShdHEP8x

[plucky quail]

I i Know him where is it showing that its slower than 70

[sand nimbus]

Watch the god damn video lmfao

[plucky quail]

Yea it crashed on his system

What now? After restart it worked

So 1 Crash means that the 7900XTX is slower than 4060?

[sand nimbus]

It doesnt beat the 4070 in PT 1080p native

[plucky quail]

Yes it does. Sadly on his vid about 4070 its not same Map. The 7900XTX vid is more demanding. So there is no 101.

[tawny thicket]

In PT no.in Regular RT the XTX is faster (usually)

[ember scaffold]

Blatant lie because I play with PT on my Rx 7600

Just look up benchmarks if you want to see how wrong you are

Let’s see RTX Mega Geometry

It might make raytracing doable if more information from the rays can be used without affecting performance

[sand nimbus]

Hyped to be playing alan wake 2

[plucky quail]

Yea i even checked now 4070 Looses to the 7900XTX CP77, in Alan wake i could not find vid of the same Creator and not same szene and the 7900XTX video had 5800X3D and RT was on High while the 4070 was medium and quote Optimized setting. The 7900XTX beat the 4070 by 15 FPS. Oh and both are 1080P

[sand nimbus]

Theres no way xtx does alan wake in rt high lol

https://youtube.com/shorts/K19EIzvsQKg?si=1Jnh1SJKR3JIjHRe

Yeah i was right. 4070 winning by 40 miles lol

[plucky quail]

BRO you cant show a vid with only the 7900XTX with PT at 4K what will run shit and say Bro trust me the 4070 wins by 40 Miles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzCjfZZvVA&t=1228s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWF0lE152rw&t=375s

[sand nimbus]

This location isnt the most intensive

[plucky quail]

That are my Sources. Not perfect but you can make out who is better here. Not saying AMD is better but you need to see that 7900XTX is better a 1000$ GPU vs a 600$. We all know AMD is not the best in RT but come on

[plucky quail]

Yea i know that but 4070 has also advantage with running on Medium and Optimized settings and it still cant beat it.

[ember scaffold]

There’s no difference between low, medium, and high. It’s just the amount of bounces, which even on high is just 2 bounces, and the difference in fps between low, medium, and high, is minimal at best

3 fps difference between each one

[sand nimbus]

"just bounces"

The thing that makes RT , PT..

[ember scaffold]

Light bouncing in video games is barely even used because of performance related issues

[sand nimbus]

Its what makes PT great.

[ember scaffold]

You only see full light bouncing in animated movies and they have a render time of over 40 hours per scene

[ember scaffold]

Most games limit light source bouncing at just 1 bounce, maybe 2 in some very select few titles. This is why there is a very slight change in lighting quality between a rasterized picture with baked in light maps and full raytracing

Baking in light maps should become more common

It’s how most games dealt with lighting in the past

The only problem is that you’d need to have multiple versions of the same texture stored on your drive that will get loaded into RAM if the lighting changes

So it works best in static environments. Games with dynamic lighting can’t bake in light maps into textures

Although, a game did this and it went pretty well. That game is called GTA San Andreas

Baked in light maps are the reason games like The Last of Us part 1 and 2 look so good

Without any extremely noisy raytracing

Raytracing has been used in the movie industry since 1986

[ember scaffold]

Also, they announced part 2 on pc will be better than on the ps5 this time around. It won’t be reversed like part 1 on pc and ps5, where the ps5 features higher fidelity lighting when compared to pc. And part 2 on pc will also supposedly include a test option for half traced ambient occlusion

More commonly known as indirect lighting. Keep in mind that most games only enable indirect lighting when pathtracing is enabled

This is because RT shadows in general are a controversial topic

Raytraced shadows look almost the exact same as normal shadows, but cost a lot of GPU rendering power

[sand nimbus]

Tlou2 has rt

Hyped to see path tracing support on pc

[plucky quail]

Yea i find that RT should help the Raster not replace it. For that we would not have enough performance. But i need to say tlou2 looks already really good. Would not know if they can improve anything to the PC port. #

[sand nimbus]

Easily

The textures atleast on ps4 are mid. The lighting is RT like already tbh. But keep in mind all the scenes are extremely optimized .

I have a modded ps4 and flew around with no clip, the entire scene breaks if you just fly 5 meters high

[plucky quail]

Yea no but on PS5 its looking really good. Like high end PC Lvl of good. Would find insane if it looks even better on PC. Insane if they can pull that off.

[sand nimbus]

Im sure they can atleast texture wise. Ps5 is still starved 16gb shared

[plucky quail]

IDK the texture looks also really good least what i can see now on YT in 4K Maybe they just dump texture in. Hopefully its not too much on the Vram so that 4060 gamer can play it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx0rmONGzZc

[sand nimbus]

Itll be fine

[plucky quail]

Yea after watching the vid till the end i dont think 8Gb cards will survive that

[ember scaffold]

nope

Why would you even think a game that features mostly static lighting would include raytracing?

I've analyzed frames in motion from TLOU2

it uses baked in lighting which is baked into the texture. For the parts of the map that have multiple time of day versions, they use light maps

[sand nimbus]

I was informed the ps5 pro enhanced has rt

[ember scaffold]

I have no idea about that, but the ps5 pro version should just be able to increase the frame rate of fidelity mode from 30 to 60 at 1440p, and 60 fps performance mode at 4k native, which is so rare to see on ps5

it also has a better draw distance for extremely distant objects and LODs cycle less

a big problem of the game on the base ps5 was LOD pop in. Well, not anymore

The thing is, if they do have a special performance mode for raytracing, it won't make a big change

the game has cube mapped reflections for the few reflective surfaces and water puddles, and the lighting is mostly made up of light maps

[sand nimbus]

Yeah but RT GI is unbeaten

[ember scaffold]

depends on the game

Have you seen RT GI in Spiderman Miles Morales on pc?

it only fixes SSAO and HBAO artefacting, while not doing much

[sand nimbus]

Well thats not RT fault. Theres alot of crap and abuse of RT in the industry.

The best examples for well done rt, The same games over and over again. Cyberpunk, Control, Alan wake 2 and Indiana jones

[random folio]

hey havent played the game since launch, i put it off because of bad performance. how much better is it now? should i give it another shot or wait a couple updates

[tawny thicket]

it does depend on your specs

its like +25% fps when CPU limited for me (went from 40~ to 50~)

but GPU perf hasnt really improved

[random folio]

my gpu is good so ill try again

[tawny thicket]

what GPU do you have?

[random folio]

rtx 4070

[velvet mica]

Definitely still feels like a chore to get the game started, still takes ~10-30 minutes for me to compile shaders

[spare coral]

Takes 20 for me at the important one when it doesnt fail

[velvet mica]

Yee, sometimes it fails at some point and then you gotta start all over again lmao

[random folio]

it took me like 5 minutes max at launch

[velvet mica]

I've narrowed it down to nvidia vs amd thing, friend with some nvidia gpu takes 2 minutes while I have those absurd wait times

[tawny thicket]

my tip is to disable the shader compilation

like fully

[velvet mica]

No more achviements

[tawny thicket]

what do you mean?

[velvet mica]

Assuming you're talking about a mod, since those disable achviements

[tawny thicket]

i am talking about a DIY mod:) (Engine.INI tweak)

[tawny thicket]

and : that could also be partially caused by the saved shader cache the driver ceates for itself

could also be CPU

[velvet mica]

No idea, I have 6800 XT, 5800X3D, 32GB 3200 ram and games on m.2

[tawny thicket]

the Engine.INI tweak :
[SystemSettings]
r.PSOWarmup.WarmupMaterials=0

[tawny thicket]

what does your friend have?

[flat brook]

Mods don’t disable achievements

[velvet mica]

Alr, I'll look into it, where's the file?

[flat brook]

Not even UETools disables achievements

[velvet mica]

Can't remember for sure,, 4060 I think

[tawny thicket]

users-(your username)-appdata-local-stalker2-saved-config-windows

[velvet mica]

Huh, perhaps some of them just weren't unlocking for some reason when I was testing

[flat brook]

Some achievements are/were bugged, yes.

210 hours on record with 40+ mods, have just over half achievements unlocked at the moment

[flint spoke]

yea game doesn't use gpu when compiling shaders afaik

so its pretty weird your system is somehow having trouble

esp since its a 5800x3d. it takes me like as you said, a few minutes even if I've changed settings and I have the same cpu

[flint spoke]

could totally be an issue with the game tho

hmm it actually might use gpu to some extent

[flint spoke]

yeah last patch even broke one of them

[tired hazel]

Yeee it does I'm fairly sure... Before disabling the shader comp, when it was compiling them (either on this game or on cod which also has it after every major update) I would hear my GPU fans whirring on and off, and the usage in my resources was p high
I have AMD too and before skipping the compilation entirely (which causes no issue as long as you let it complete it once, even if it takes a few crashes) it would also take me 10-20 minutes to launch the game as I had to account for a various amount of failures during the compilation 😔

[lavish mason]

I just hard quit the game first time I launch it, so I get the compiler error pop up the next launch. No ini files or mods are quicker, the no shader warmup mod just makes the game hang on an instantly full loading bar instead of an empty one.
Some real "they really thought this was cooked through to release?" Levels of jank

[spare silo]

i'm getting constant fps drops in game. gpu power randomly lowers to less than half of usual (but usage is still reported at 100%) and the only way to fix this is by restarting the game

what might be causing this and are they way to prevent it or make it less obvious?

[tired hazel]

Did you at any point have the game installed on a HDD? even if it's not the case anymore?

[spare silo]

just ssd

[tired hazel]

Ah damn. I had a very similar issue and for me it was the pagefile/virtual memory that was still being created on the HDD after moving the game to my SSD.. check its location just in case but I don't think it will be on it if you never had the game on a HDD :(

[spare silo]

i dont think its a memory/swap issue
i have 32gb ram and system managed pagefile

gpu has 8gb vram

[tired hazel]

Yeah it would be odd. Does the resource monitor show anything spiking anywhere when you have your fps drops and GPU usage drops too?

[plucky quail]

I need to say since i am now on 24h2 the compiler crashes every time Even Engine errors

[spare silo]

afterburner shows gpu power dropped by more than half but usage is still 100%

[lavish mason]

yep

[tired hazel]

Oh that is weird yeah. And your cpu still behaves normally?

[spare silo]

less power usage but reported load is also reduced

[tired hazel]

Weh. No clue, sorry for not being helpful :( I hope someone is able to troubleshoot you

[spare silo]

nws thanks anyways

[lavish mason]

It's a gsc issue not a your pc hardware issue,most likely

[coral token]

What kind of issue you have?

[coral token]

If your gpu suddenly drops frames it's vram leak which is very common problem with 8gb 10gb 12gb gpus on this game

Only ones I have noticed to have mostly no problems with long sessions are 16gb cards and up but that's at 1440p resolution for 1080p might be okay with 8gb medium can't guarantee don't have myself hardware to test that

[fiery flame]

Are there any fix for a low level fatal error? I already have 16g vram and 32gb ram

[spare silo]

correct me if im wrong but doesnt it just use some of the system ram? im aware of decreased performance but this is the only game that suffers this bad

60-90fps to <20fps with half a second of input delay

[plucky quail]

It would but the performance of the normal Ram is too slow.

[spare silo]

they are 4800mhz ddr5

[tawny thicket]

that isnt the only reason

the main reason for why perf tanks when running out of VRAM is that UE5 is programmed in such a way where instead of letting the GPU driver sort thing out it instead decides to run in "safe mode"

[fiery flame]

I cant get pass the village after the prologue game keeps crashing are there any remedies for this rn?

[coral token]

System ram is bad for gpu

[coral token]

Pc specs?

[fiery flame]

12700
4070 ti super
32gb ram

[tawny thicket]

specs @spare silo ?

[coral token]

Try turning off nvidia overlay

[fiery flame]

does that really cause issues?

[tawny thicket]

it can

[coral token]

It can yes

[fiery flame]

Imma try I turned off all overlays

[coral token]

I helped one person to solve issues based on it was only issue they had tbh I also suggested no shader warmup mod

[spare silo]

13700hx, 4060, 32gb ram

[tawny thicket]

what settings? (high chance of it being related to VRAM usege)

[spare silo]

high preset dlss balanced + fg on 2560x1600 display

vram is 7gb according to afterburner but i think it also uses some system ram

[coral token]

Sounds like you are running in vram issues due to resolution

[spare silo]

its the same at 1080p low preset

[coral token]

This game is known to dislike 8gb gpus tbh

[spare silo]

more fps overall but still frequent fps drops with unbearable input lag

[tawny thicket]

🤔

[tawny thicket]

turn FG off (and mouse smoothing)

[tawny thicket]

is it like a constant low Fps thing? or is it stuttering? (and i also observed the same behaviuor with my RX 6600 8 gig in ASA when i run out of VRAM)

[spare silo]

it doesnt seem to return to normal before a restart
tried making a coffee it didnt improve when i came back perhaps i can wait a bit longer if it happens again

[tawny thicket]

and its the same with the low preset 🤔

[flat brook]

That’s a VRAM issue, the longer your play and the more you explore, the more data is loaded to your VRAM chips, causing it to overflow. This won’t be dumped until a reset

[spare silo]

yes, theres more fps but the same thing happens

[flat brook]

When I first load my save, it starts at 8.5GB, if I travel by foot to malachite for example, it gradually increases to 11GB

[spare silo]

i can send some screenshots if theres a place that allow files

[flat brook]

If yours starts at 5/6GB, you walk into slag heap and it loads another GB of data, you’re already overflowing into shared memory, which is substantially slower

[tawny thicket]

VRAM usage shouldnt be high enough on the low preset....

[spare silo]

thats what surprises me too

[tawny thicket]

#📸┃screenshots_and_videos if you want to put up something

[flat brook]

I’ve tried 1080p low to monitor my CPU performance, still saw upwards of 7.8GB of VRAM usage

[spare silo]

but doesnt it return to normal when the files are swapped between the 2 places?

[flat brook]

I believe the issue that S2 is currently facing is that it doesn’t properly dump unnecessary data

[tawny thicket]

UE 5 is like that....

[flat brook]

Which is why we’re seeing people drop FPS in extended sessions (even if the sessions are only 20 minutes)

[tawny thicket]

oohh wait that is the **laptop **4060?

i think that the laptop 4060 only has 6Gb's right?

[spare silo]

8

and mine has 140w tgp (uses 100-110w in game because voltages)

[tawny thicket]

shouldnt matter tooooo much

maaayybe try capping your Fps at 60~

as it might reduce the stutter's

but it wont help with the running out of VRAM thing:(

[flat brook]

You should try 1080p, everything on low, DLSS to performance, no FG. That’s the absolute lowest you can get your VRAM consumption to.

You can also try DSR/Super resolution in the Nvidia control panel, or lossless scaling + DLSS if you have it.

Just for testing purposes, to see if the issue goes away

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9ZSnI9woWg

Recommended to me almost 8 years later.

Feels so much more grounded

[spare silo]

dlss is balanced, and why would i use dsr?

that renders the game at a even higher resolutions then downscales it

[fiery flame]

it worked I made it to zalissiya with no crashes

[tawny thicket]

it might make DLSS upscaling look a bit better

[flat brook]

Super resolution is the one I meant, 1.75/2.25x

[spare silo]

i only see dsr in nvidia settings, 1.75 is 4k and 2.25 is even higher

[coral token]

good to hear

[tawny thicket]

what ronin is suggesting (kinda) would make DLSS upscaling **look **better but also run worse

(assuming that you can use DLSS UP at 4K DSR (making you render at 720p))

[spare silo]

if its a vram issue wouldnt that make the situation worse?

[tawny thicket]

it would

[coral token]

vram issues always break down fps and frame time and mess up utilisation

[flat brook]

We’re you already playing at 1080p in general or 1440p?

If 1440, it would look better than 1080p native, while being less taxing than 1440p native/DLSS only

Super resolution upscales to the selected resolution, but being less taxing/more efficient than that resolution natively, kind of how DLSS downscales then upscales

[fiery flame]

Do we have a solution for the head wobble screen shake thingy in the game?

[coral token]

definitely in a case where native monitor resolution is higher than what GPU can run should use super resolution to upscale to the native

[glass vault]

Wait zen 6 Is not capping at 12 core CCDs but 16 so the top end is 32 cores holy hell

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-zen-6-cpus-radeon-udna-gpus-utilize-n3e-high-end-gaming-gpus-3d-stacking-for-next-gen-halo-console-apus-rumor/amp/

[tawny thicket]

early threadripper's begining to feel it

[glass vault]

More cores is really the way we will advance

Plus early threadripper felt it when 16 Ryzen 9 started

[fiery flame]

crashing came back again

[coral token]

Hmm around where it happens?

And does it throw any error messages?

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