pc-specs

[coral token]

But that's if you run in issues like I did on latest 1.1.3

[fickle storm]

Yeah I will see how protonGE is handeling it, but I bookmarked it if I run in issues ty

[coral token]

Welcome to zone stalker

[coral token]

I played since launch and didn't have much issues besides now 1.1.3

[fickle storm]

I couldnt play before cause my network was down till today so I was just hyped, but then I saw that even high end cards had some problems and I was worried 😄

[spare coral]

I started having issues since 1.1 but it is what it is
Hopefully the next patch will solve them

[fickle storm]

hey it wouldnt be a stalker game if it would run perfect

[coral token]

Clear sky moment lol

[fickle storm]

I still think it's insane what modders have gotten out of the Xray engine, it was jank tho 😄

[coral token]

X-ray engine while bad the amount of stuff modders have achieved with it is insane it's actually more than what Skyrim modders have done on their engine overall lol

[plucky quail]

I think of this. Neutral network probably only works on 50 series. It will be realtime upscaled and best way is with really fast vram and much more AI cores. The same like FG on lower end cards of 40 series had problems the same way could be with neutral network. Except they really think of being usable on low end cards

[low spade]

is there a way to improve the performance without settings on the client side?

like a mod or something that minimizes stutters or something?

i got RTX2080 and i5 9600k, 16gb ram

[agile harbor]

9600k you're fighting an uphill battle

[plucky quail]

DLSS 4 Gonna come out on stalker on day 0

So fake

[glass vault]

So looking back at it the neural network part for lower vram usage is on 50 and 40 but multi frame is only on 50

[pulsar nimbus]

It's probably killing your GPU, the 2080's stuck with 8 GB VRAM. You need around 12 at minimum to keep UE5 from going into a catatonic state.

[glass vault]

They also have some system that effectively replaces the dell files of games to update the dlss version in a setting. Makes it easier to get latest features

[blazing siren]

alife got fixed already?

[plucky quail]

Where did they say it?

[shut elbow]

Jesus 95% of CES was ai yapping. We r doomed

[glass vault]

Their website is launched during the keynote

[plucky quail]

Nice gonna look at it

[molten rain]

👋 Recently switched my gaming machine to NixOS, happy to see other Linux gamers considering STALKER 2 ❤️

I have an AMD Ryzen 5 5500 + RTX 3080 Ti GPU, a pretty good setup, imo. A couple things I’ve noticed running STALKER 2 on Linux:

• Windows performance was much better on the same hardware
• ProtonGE vs Proton Experimental seem to both be pretty solid for me
• Was able to achieve consistent 60 FPS by dropping settings to low except textures on medium, FSR frame generation turned on and upscaling set to DLSS on Balanced

Will be playing with more settings later today.

[plucky quail]

Ab 2.329 € 5090 LOL

[plucky quail]

1080P or 1440p?

[molten rain]

1080p 👍

[shut elbow]

Sorry, but this is unacceptable. This card is capable of running 1440p native on high 60+

Barely 60 with both dlss and fg is BAD

[molten rain]

I do all my gaming over my network via Sunshine+Moonlight (i.e. I play on my Apple TV) 1080p+60FPS has been my target for the sake of latency

[fickle storm]

Oh usually it was the other way around with performance when I switched. I hope I will make the 60 then when the 3080ti is already struggling.

[shut elbow]

Jesus christ WHY. I will never understand playing over network.

[molten rain]

There may be a specific setting that I may be missing

[molten rain]

I am able to play anywhere without moving my gaming PC around 😌

Helpful for me with kids to not be tethered to a keyboard and mouse

[fickle storm]

how is btw the nvidia experience as a whole because I have a lot of friends still not switching. AMD is awesome on Linux, so maybe I some luck with Vulkan

[shut elbow]

Maybe im too old for that xd
I much prefer dedicated space for that. With ergonomic chair and proper peripherals.

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNx7wrBfnsw Found just the dumbest thing

[molten rain]

The Nvidia experience for my specific streaming setup isn’t great. Nvidia’s Linux driver includes a hard encoding limit that makes Sunshine almost unusable. Thankfully someone has written a patch for the driver:

https://github.com/keylase/nvidia-patch

And then I use this flake on NixOS to actually apply it: https://github.com/icewind1991/nvidia-patch-nixos

[plucky quail]

A AI friend when you dont have one XD

[glass vault]

So AI but you don't have friends

[shut elbow]

Thats just advanced npc or dedicated nvidia employe for every player xd

[fickle storm]

so everything still pretty custom, hopefully this will change with the SteamOS release

[plucky quail]

JUST SO SAD. People getting less human interactions with Nvidia.

[molten rain]

I also found that the version of the Nvidia driver I tried crashed GDM (i.e. GNOME) when using X11 for some reason I couldn’t determine (Wayland worked OOB, but Nvidia’s Wayland support is still meh). Switching to KDE has worked flawlessly with X11.

[plucky quail]

I cant read anything on RTX Neural Texture Compression and supported on 40 series

[agile harbor]

Its not, neither is Multi Frame Generation. Reflex 2 still unclear.

[glass vault]

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/dlss/

[fickle storm]

Wayland even on AMD is cancer imo, I use X11 with i3 and that works just fine for me. EndeavourOS is great anyway I like Arch, but after destroying my last install I just wasn't interested in rebuilding all configs 😄

[agile harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpDxo2m6Sko

Oh, ok Reflex 2 is all GeForce RTX cards

[glass vault]

I think it was in here for the neural part reading it again rn

[shut elbow]

There is one ai feature that i would love to get.
Every important npc should be some sort of predefined chat gpt. So interaction with him would be much more "natural".

[agile harbor]

That 100% is coming

[plucky quail]

It says nothing about RTX Neural Texture Compression

[glass vault]

Me either. It might be an update to the super resolution

[plucky quail]

That what they wanned to do. I think it was last year where they said we can do that and a demo of a hotel.

[molten rain]

Wayland+GNOME is my jam for developer workstations — but, not great for gaming yet 😂

[plucky quail]

Thats the thing its up in the air.

[plucky quail]

You could ask people of a Crime. I think cant remember fully

[glass vault]

@plucky quail https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-rtx-neural-rendering-introduces-next-era-of-ai-powered-graphics-innovation/
Looks like it needs to be built into the game

[fickle storm]

okay for devstation totally workable. I probably should start to push my dot files too at some point 😄

[plucky quail]

Yea thats where i was. But i think you need bit more AI power and Faster Vram for those task. Cus you want everything fast as possible. But i dont know how much AI power you would need for such task. Gonna see it in 3 weeks.

[shut elbow]

Apparently everything from new dlss except multi fg will be avalaible for 4000 cards

[glass vault]

Yeah sadly 3 weeks. This makes more sense why the new tech is locked to 50 series because of the more demanding ai models

[shut elbow]

Idk how multi fg supposed to work.
Latency will be ridiculous

[flat brook]

Will likely depend on the native frames you’re able to push again

[plucky quail]

No Reflex 2 will help with predicting where your mouse will land.

[glass vault]

It generates multiple dreams with a small time delay between frames no idea on input lag feeling

Its just lossless scaling on x2-x3 mode just a bit more refined probably

[shut elbow]

Fg hold ur 2 last frames. Create fake one and the u see it.
This new one, will do the same BUT will add 3-4 fake frames. So only like 20% of frames will be "real"
This is just nightmare for latency and input lag

[glass vault]

They did increase tensor cores which are used for these so maybe lag will be better

[shut elbow]

U cant just baypass a fact that ur input during fake frames is not registered
Thats not a problem with current fg, its just ~30% of ur fps. But when MOST of fps u see will be fake, this will be a big problem

[glass vault]

Current fg is 50%

[shut elbow]

I would to see one game with 50% increase. Its 30% in reality

[glass vault]

What in stalker 2 I get 60 real frames fg gets me to 120 it's 50%

[plucky quail]

Guy the FG will bring more latency BUT Nvidia will justify with Reflex2

[dreamy iris]

So now we have some GPUs that invent more frames than even, I guess we don't have to worry about CPU optimizations anymore 😅 😆

[shut elbow]

What resolution and settings?

[glass vault]

Vsync fsr3. 1440p med

[noble kindle]

ah, on medium

[shut elbow]

Ah so fsr on medium. Fsr fg in general gives u more frames but worse visuals and artifacts.

[glass vault]

Fg is mean to be a 50% of the total frames but seems less probably due to inconsistent original frames

[shut elbow]

Real increase with dlss fg is like ~30% but i have to provoke artifacts and glitches.

[noble kindle]

The clouds are the most obvious artifacting with dlss fg

[glass vault]

Its a fake frame every other frame

[shut elbow]

Or just crash a car at full speed in cp77

[noble kindle]

hehehehe, yea

[plucky quail]

Did not get any. Have the same as his 1440p Nativ FG FSR. No artifacts. 60 Lock for the latency

[shut elbow]

Maybe amd fixed some, but last time i tried their fg, u could clearly see artifacts.

[glass vault]

There is still artifacts

[plucky quail]

The only thing is its pretty soft the image but not coming from FG instead i think of the TAA

[glass vault]

They still got a weird halo around people. Demon possession hall of black

[noble kindle]

Didnt got it so far

[plucky quail]

The only thing i saw was on the Inventory i dont know why that isnt decoupled but could be anything else.

[plucky quail]

Thats FSR upscaler not FG

[late ferry]

dragonvonchimer has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[shut elbow]

Im gonna find whoever set up that bot.

[glass vault]

Was using dlss as upscaling and fsr being frame gen.

[plucky quail]

How much do you upscale?

[glass vault]

It should be decoupled since that's fsr3. It was in quality mode

[shut elbow]

Apparently 5090 is only 30% faster than 4090. In native

[plucky quail]

Yea the normal UI but i think the Inventory is not

[plucky quail]

Should be its 600$ more MSRP

[glass vault]

That's still a good increase. But it's not a major increase

[shut elbow]

It should be close to 2x faster native for that price increase

[plucky quail]

Prob its gonna be around 2300$ cuz it never holds its MSRP

[plucky quail]

Yea well just wait for 5080 XD

[shut elbow]

Green greed is out of control

Not gonna buy any 5000.

[glass vault]

Only the 90 class got a price hike they backed down since people are stopping to pay insane amounts for low end cards

[plucky quail]

Imagine 5080 has no uplift maybe just by single digits. And let the AI do the rest.

[noble kindle]

I dont want to imagine it

[glass vault]

Its probably a 20% increase. Not just because of core density but also clock increase

[agile harbor]

5090 day one. I just tell myself things could be worse, I could own a boat. $2000 every two years for your only hobby aint bad.

[shut elbow]

U dont have to imagine it*

[plucky quail]

Mhhh 5080 is faster than the 4090 but only with 4X FG and DLSS performance

[glass vault]

I think they were comparing ai tops since that was the number they were showing

[noble kindle]

probably

[plucky quail]

Its 22mhz increase the 4080 from the 3090ti had a 700mhz increase

[shut elbow]

Every chart they shown was ai infested. Zero native performance

[agile harbor]

That's expected

Jan 29th will be the day of reckoning

[glass vault]

100 on base clock

[agile harbor]

Raster benchmarks, realworld Multi Frame Gen testing, the works.

[plucky quail]

The 3090TI had 200mhz increase over 2080TI

[glass vault]

I'm saying that the 4090 to 5070 claim is for ai tops since that was the number being shown during the price reveal

[agile harbor]

You can't pick apart individual metrics like clockspeed across generations and come to any conclusions, btw.

[glass vault]

Not sure how the gddr7 mem speed will impact performance

[shut elbow]

Clock really depends on gpu u get.
My 4070ti works at ~3050 mhz daily and stable.

[plucky quail]

Base would not really mater if its gonna try to be as fast as it can it will get always the Max clock.

[agile harbor]

The claim there is with DLSS4 and all the bells and whilstles. Its a pointless claim and frankly, already hurting 4090 resale (as early as today on HWS). Thankfully HUB has a video on how that claim is BS.

[lavish mason]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=olfgrLqtXEo

[shut elbow]

Good, im waiting for 4090 used flood

[glass vault]

Rechecked numbers the Ai tops isn't right either. 950ish Vs 4090 1300

[agile harbor]

We're starting already. I'm getting ready.

[agile harbor]

Yeupppp

[plucky quail]

Yea i am gonna buy 5070 and sell it to 4090 user. Just as Nvidia is saying and they get the newest feature right:)

[agile harbor]

The "5070 is as fast as a 4090" crowd is in for a rude awakening.

[shut elbow]

Whoever believes in corpo lies deserve to be ripped off

[agile harbor]

Jensen made a dumb comment and its going to backfire. That doesn't take away from 5070 at all, however. Just people getting wrong expectations.

well, its already backfiring

[shut elbow]

5070 has HALF of everything vs 4090. Its just impossible to be faster.

[glass vault]

I did like learning about their ai for training was just cool to learn how they do it.

[tawny thicket]

yeah.........you remember how jensen said that the 5070 is as fast as the 4090 and then he said "this is only possible through AI"

[agile harbor]

everyone just conveniently forgot that second part

[shut elbow]

Its the same architecture too. Last huge leap was an architecture leap
From 8nm samsung to 5nm tsmc. 50xx is still 5nm tsmc

[tawny thicket]

yup and a lot of media ran with it

[glass vault]

Their biggest increase was ai tops but that doesn't really matter to anyone except workstation and enterprise

[plucky quail]

What was Cp77 on PT? 4090 at 20-30FPS at 4k. So 5070 that just 5FPS can FG 4x and reach 4090 lvl

[tawny thicket]

well not the ones i watch on a usuall basis

[plucky quail]

I dont see the lie guys just AI

[tawny thicket]

yeah, its still shady IMO

[glass vault]

I'm curious if the X2-x3 mode will have major input lag or will it not be as bad

[shut elbow]

Ai is cool and all as ADDITION.
This new 70-80% fake frames trend is...worrying

[glass vault]

I mean if done well it can be doable. But should be optional rather than mandatory

[plucky quail]

Thats the same vision as Intel said in one of the HUB videos. Where the head of Arc said we like a future where 90% is ai generated.

Like a better Minecraft AI Game.

[shut elbow]

Intel can go and penetrate itself. Age of their lies is over. They now fight for survival

[glass vault]

If games have entire ai dialogue and storyline I am selling my desktop and developing a drug addiction

[shut elbow]

More fps and still cheaper

[glass vault]

I play games for the decent storyline and ai will make it even worse than veilguard

[shut elbow]

Veilguard will be a guide how not to write story and characters xd

Its so bad that people wont even pirate it

[tawny thicket]

i would find myself a nice window if that were to happen

[glass vault]

Why would I download a lecture on acceptance

[noble kindle]

Good that i dont know anything about veilguard

[tawny thicket]

breathe a bit and take the........leap

[glass vault]

Ai is gonna be a great tool but shouldn't be relied on for gaming

[shut elbow]

Protect him at all cost. The innocent one must survive.

[noble kindle]

It cant be that bad

[shut elbow]

Its even worse.

[glass vault]

It sounds like a HR lecture about accepting people for who they want to be

[noble kindle]

HR?

[glass vault]

Human resources

[tawny thicket]

HumanRescources

so kinda like a class master lesson

[noble kindle]

Damn, its sounds like a worse dustborn

[tawny thicket]

its prolly not worse than that

[shut elbow]

Pretty good description

[tawny thicket]

but i never played either so IDK

[glass vault]

https://youtu.be/xpzufsxtZpA
5080 being used to explain dlss4?

According tho this only 7ms is added going from traditional fg to X4 fg

[shut elbow]

Total 7 or 7 per frame?

[glass vault]

57ms for X4 50ms for x2

[late ferry]

sxw_9 has been warned

Reason: Posted an invite

[grizzled drift]

Looks like we can expect reduced ghosting/shimmering , smoother frametimes, and about 6.4ms avg latency increase in exchange for 71% increase in FPS

[glass vault]

Ltt now has a video with hands on. Showing that it is actually less latency than dlss 3.5 fg

[grizzled drift]

Yeah I actually expect the latency to get lower

[glass vault]

It might be equal on latency when it's in 4x mode but faster in the less in X2 and maybe x3

[grizzled drift]

Yeah

[glass vault]

Really ddr6 is gonna be coming out end of this year for first tests and trying to hit ddr6-21000

[flint spoke]

dlss fg 3.5 is hot trash I wonder if this makes it useable (at least for me) maybe. curious but not curious enough to upgrade haha

[glass vault]

Fg is nice as long as you got 60fps

[flint spoke]

nah even at 70 fps dlss fg gives me too much input latency

i can't use it

[glass vault]

Gotta be stable 60 vsync for me it's then usable but only single player

[flint spoke]

i tried so many times thinking surely it was bugged or something, but nope thats just how it is

that extra latency compared to fsr fg is due to better visuals but visuals wise I couldn't really see a significant difference and even single player I can't do it

everyone has difference limits on latency tho

[flat brook]

That’s odd, I’m between 70-90 native and it barely adds any noticeable latency

[tawny thicket]

70-90 ??? i cant feel it even when going from 40 to 80 (FSR FG though)

[agile harbor]

70 before or after FG

[tawny thicket]

though prolly just got used to it

[flint spoke]

before fg

only dlss fg tho, fsr fg latency feels fine for me

[flat brook]

Strange, FSR FG barely achieves anything on my end and just introduces an ungodly amount of stuttering

[flat brook]

70-90 native to 110-130 with FG, system latency and input latency was around 9.5MS last time I monitored

[tawny thicket]

thats only ever happened to me with games that have reeeeaaallllyyy sh*tty implementations

(cough ark smear ascended)

[flint spoke]

my monitor has 3.7ms total input lag so that may play a part

i assume a number of people play on 10ms+(older monitors) , then combined with the game ofc and mouse input latency

[tawny thicket]

i have no idea of what my latency looks like

[flat brook]

Granted this was around patch 1.1 when I first tried it, but I’ve always considered FSR FG to look worse than DLSS FG, and thus usually avoid it.

It’s especially bad in DCS despite being on 3.0/3.1, but the amount of blurring, shimmering etc is just not fun compared to DLSS

[tawny thicket]

but for me its always ran much better than that

[flint spoke]

like if someone is playing on a monitor with 10-15ms latency i bet there is functionally no difference with dlss fg vs fsr fg

[tawny thicket]

does "DCS" force FSR AA?

[flat brook]

Anything under 20MS is good

[flat brook]

Can be set manually

[tawny thicket]

then why does it look "shimmery,blurry"?

FG has never introduced any shimmering for me

[flat brook]

Don’t know, but most of the applications I’ve tested FSR FG in introduced some shimmering, from minimal to substantial.

Plenty of cases online where it’s visible as well

[tawny thicket]

ghost hunt

[noble kindle]

thats good to know, i should check mine someday

[flat brook]

Maybe it doesn’t work as well on an RTX card as it does on an RX card, I haven’t bothered to dive into it as DLSS FG usually works perfectly fine on my end

[tawny thicket]

or maybe FSR FG just doesnt work well on NVIDIA cards?

[flat brook]

That’d be my guess, in the same way DLSS FG likely wouldn’t work well on AMD cards if you somehow got it to work

[flint spoke]

im on a 4070 Super so thats not the only issue here

[tawny thicket]

yeah prolly

[flint spoke]

ddu, updated drivers, etc

[tawny thicket]

or its luck based

[flat brook]

4070Ti-Super, but as is usually the case, systems differ a lot

I have 210 hours on S2 currently and not once had substantial issues like 70+% of the people in here have experienced

[flint spoke]

nah. people report playing games at 40fps like its ok, but then for people like me that'd literally be unplayable. i think there is a difference per person on what bothers them

[flat brook]

Not a single VRAM leak, stubborn crash or bad performance

[flint spoke]

i think its the same latency wise

like if it doesn't bother you, its not like higher latency isn't playable. it totally is. but if it bothers me it bothers me? if that makes sense

[flat brook]

And I’m pretty snarky when it comes to performance, anything under 100 FPS feels terrible on my panel

[flint spoke]

yeah I haven't had any mem leaks except the rostok one. very rare to crash.

cpu perf sucks on a 5800x3d tho if you want to get 70 fps everywhere you go, some places thats not possible

this game really demands FAST single thread speeds, cause its on 5.1

[flat brook]

13700K here, don’t dip in NPC hubs, GPU usage stays at 99%, frame times between 8-11ms

[flint spoke]

yup, need that or like 7800x3d or 9800x3d

or if we were on 5.4 it wouldn't even be a problem but alas

[flat brook]

My 9800X3D arrives this Friday, 13700K goes into the server rig

[flat brook]

That update would likely take months and months, Ready or not had to remake their assets for 5.4, in the span of two months

[flint spoke]

game just super sensitive to older architecture

[flat brook]

And Ready or Not is substantially smaller in terms of asset size than S2 is

[flint spoke]

didnt ready or not go from ue 4 tho?

[flat brook]

4.27 > 5.1 > 5.4

[flint spoke]

thats way bigger a hurdle from 5.1 to 5.5

tho we know gsc has their own engine work plus i would bet gsc doesn't have the same resources as they did ngl

[flat brook]

You’d think, but if you have to remake all your assets to work with 5.4 optimally, it’s just as annoying

[flint spoke]

interesting, yeah idk then

that'd be really nice tho. that shit has like x2 the cpu performance, we can dream 😂

in practice idk how much it really matters since most of the game takes place out of hubs. tho I weep for people on shit like a 1500x or something, this game must suck ass for them

[flat brook]

I think given enough time, we’ll get there

They have an extremely good framework to expand upon, and the biggest wall they’re facing is performance currently, crashes aside

[flint spoke]

i see a lot of people who seem to think their gpu is dying but i think a lot of the time these people are just cpu bottlenecked

not to say its not gpu intensive tho it is ofc

what I don't understand is even on a 2070 super i didn't notice any vram issues. like I could check in special k and it wasn't using anymore than a bit over 6 at 1080p. i don't think thats a lot of vram imo. ofc i just came from playing heavily modded new vegas and that could use 7gb easy

[sand nimbus]

So with Nvidias reflex 2.0 we can basically use frame gen without additional Input latency. What is our thoughts about that?

[flint spoke]

my thought is (as you can see above 😄 ) is that that would make dlss fg useable for me

which would be neat. on its own certainly not worth an upgrade but that would be cool

[sand nimbus]

Yeah time will tell. January 30th is release.. we can all try it out if youre on 40 series

[hard juniper]

my thoughts are that games will only get more and more reliant on upscaling and frame generation technology

cool, less latency, but the ideal scenario is not having to use it in the first place

[sand nimbus]

100%

[sand nimbus]

Wrong tbh

If you want path tracing in any form no matter how strong your gpu is, you could have a 9090 , it would look bad due to Missing denoiser which is based on AI

[flint spoke]

oh really? nice

thought they would artificially lock that to 50 series ngl

[hard juniper]

i don't mind tech that's meant to improve quality

[sand nimbus]

Yeah the only thing thats capped to 50 series is 3x and 4x frame gen

Everything else including dlss4 and reflex 2.0 will be on all rtx cards

However the frame gen imrpovement itself like reduced vram usage is 40 and 50 only

This could be big honestly.

And we can add it to all dlss games with the Nvidia app.

[plucky quail]

Where did you read that?

[sand nimbus]

On the official nvidia Website

#📸┃screenshots_and_videos @plucky quail

[plucky quail]

Where

[sand nimbus]

https://www.nvidia.com/de-de/geforce/technologies/dlss/

[plucky quail]

Not saying anything

[sand nimbus]

Its literally the official picture dude. Scroll down a bit

[plucky quail]

Yea i was there its not saying that all the features come to 40 series

[sand nimbus]

These are the New features bro

It says enhanced right there big fat green

[plucky quail]

Its saying the same thing we all already know what features are on what Series. The only info is that DLSS MFG is gonna be only on 50Series

There is also Texture compression

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-rtx-neural-rendering-introduces-next-era-of-ai-powered-graphics-innovation/

[sand nimbus]

The neural rendering was not mentioned in this keynote as no normal gamer cares (for now)

[plucky quail]

Yea that we dont know but its needed for 5000 Series cuz the Vram didnt grow and so they need to compress texture. Else we will have the same with some Stalker players having 5FPS and wondering why with the 4060TI running.

[sand nimbus]

100%

[hearty pollen]

I'm planning to run a 5080 on a 750w psu. Gonna be interesting, but I'm confident it's enough.

[plucky quail]

🔥

[hearty pollen]

Neh. My entire system excluding gpu is ~250w. Probably less. 500w headroom should be plenty for a 5080

[pulsar nimbus]

is this fire for how hot the case is gonna be?

[hard juniper]

i'm running a 4080 super on 650w, you'll be good

[hearty pollen]

Which also isn't gonna happen, and virtually never to anyone if they understand the basic of thermodynamics

[pulsar nimbus]

It's more than just thermodynamics, there's a fair bit of engineering principle in there haha. These cards won't run hot anyways, it's just the AMD stuff that usually gets toasty (and even they've figured out better cooling solutions over the years).

I do wonder how much power the Tensor cores actually use

I feel like the TPD is relatively lower the last few years.

[hearty pollen]

Yes for the hardware itself, however when you build the computer you're gonna have to try really hard to get a hot case if you simply let hot air go up and out.

[pulsar nimbus]

I bought a new NZXT flow case for my build to have stupidly high ventilation. It's so cool to the touch. The exhaust from the AIO radiator is barely more than lukewarm too. Ridiculous what you can do these days.

[hearty pollen]

Eh, had no issues with temps/airflow in my old, really old gtx670 SLI setup in define r2 either, which is a really tight and hot case. the vast vast majority of airflow or temperature issues is down to users trying to force the hot air somewhere it shouldn't go.

[pulsar nimbus]

I really love the ones that vent into glass panels or coverings

My last rig was fine temp was and exhausted well enough, I just wanted more headroom to keep cool and have space for a larger GPU if I one day get a 5000 series. These things are titanic sized now.

[low spade]

Yeah i know but i cant just download more vram from the internet and the new gpus cost as much as a car does

I thought 2080 was a pretty high end gpu, unless ofcourse you got a downpayment for a house ready to go 40 RTX series

[pulsar nimbus]

It was, like 4-5 years ago. I just switched from a 2080S to 4080S now. Still a good card, everything it just insanely VRAM hungry now.

[low spade]

Well it better handle the game cause ill be using it for a while

[pulsar nimbus]

[low spade]

Im gonna milk it

[pulsar nimbus]

It'll be fine for a lot of games, just not, like, system-killers in the STALKER vein haha. Love that we have a new "can it run Crysis" in the year 2025.

[low spade]

Time will tell

[fleet wraith]

My 1500w is ready to OC a 5090

[uneven portal]

If games from 10 years ago were developed like current ones, would the VRAM consumption be the same as it is now, In short, they think we're fools.

[hollow kettle]

I’m getting 7.6gb vram usage. Other program usage is 0.6gb. This is over my 8gb vram. I’m still getting good performance no stutters and solid frame rate so does this mean the other usage is being put into ram or something ?

[plucky quail]

Sure there is also Watt spike for a sec. Not that when loading a game it reaches the Limit.

[opaque moat]

i think its a troll...a 5080 in a 250W rated rig would use probably a third of that GPU. if even that. none of our business if they waste money lol

[flat brook]

I’m confident enough to run a 5080 with my 750W 80G PSU as well.

(But only because I’m switching to a 9800X3D for my gaming rig)

[uneven portal]

I don't know why I see users of 80 series graphics as those who change graphics every 2 years.

i am one just to say

[agile harbor]

ez pz as long as its a good unit. I ran a 3090 @ 400W power limit and then briefly 4090 on my SF750 SFX unit.

3090 used more power more of the time than 4090 in games. Ada was an impressive step forward in efficiency

Ampere... power is always the limit.

[uneven portal]

5080 listed for 1,699.95 euros in Spain BRHUUU

[plucky quail]

Cuz they can buy a 4090 but not choose to and wait for Next gen. This gen would be for AI and if you dont care about your game being 90% Fake. Else it looks like there is no Uplift to the previous gen in raster. But we gonna see if it really works out.

[plucky quail]

1.169 € in Germany

[uneven portal]

https://ibb.co/937nhBM

[plucky quail]

?

[uneven portal]

the first one where it says rt without dlss, shows the real difference, it is not even close to the 4090.

[plucky quail]

Yea and the Raster will be even less cuz they only have RT on so the 4gen RT cores gonna be the uplift here

[agile harbor]

If Multi Frame Gen can do what it says it can do and they've come up with a way to make it feel good to use, I'm starting to no longer care about native rendering.

Might as well embrace the future

[agile harbor]

out on a limb.. for monolith?

[uneven portal]

Looking at the bar, I can calculate the improvement in performance as a percentage if you give me some time. It's really simple

[plucky quail]

The Nvidia Gpus have a secret. The AI cores have a Energy of the Monolith. The screen is just white you are imagining with psi radiation the game.

https://tenor.com/view/white-noise-gif-24799193

[agile harbor]

I love how the continually leaked of the past two years "4090Ti" is just casually sitting on the desk in Steve's video today.

[plucky quail]

I think they looked at the card and said. Yea thats a big card we cant sell it with TDP of 1000W Just go full AI on the next gen

[agile harbor]

There will apparently be a video dedicated to it "very soon", he says. Apparently it was a sort of test mule for cooler design.

[uneven portal]

20% + the 5070 from the 4070 whit rt brhu

[plucky quail]

7990XTX would prob pushed Nvidia to get more Raster performance. But that never happend so...

[agile harbor]

No, AMD died yesterday

in a ditch somewhere

[woeful umbra]

Hey guys. Im pretty noob at this stuff. But I got wind of a new gen of gpu's coming out this year.

Is the consensus that one should wait for those instead of buying a good one thats on the market right now?

Also whats usually the price range?

[agile harbor]

lol, how fitting since pretty much the entire enthusiast space has been talking about nothing but since Nvidia's announcements last night

[uneven portal]

no

[agile harbor]

Price range? $100-$2000, depending on your budget, display resolution and intended performance expectations at said resolution.

[plucky quail]

You mean in a Anomaly? Created by c-consciousness... i mean Jen-Hsun Huang?

[agile harbor]

erhm, um, yes

[woeful umbra]

Oh, i'm sorry i'm not an enthusiast😅 could you refere me to a website so I can read up on the announcement? Just nvidias website maybe?

[agile harbor]

https://i.imgur.com/ae5eefb.png

[plucky quail]

Yea AMD did nothing just talking about AI in Mobile Chips and Intel will announce something in the next Week

[agile harbor]

https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-launches-geforce-rtx-50-blackwell-series-rtx-5090-costs-1999

[agile harbor]

3rd party reviews, the only ones that matter, will not be a thing until the 29th of this month. They launch on the 30th.

[plucky quail]

Just wait for the end of the month. The reviews should be then out

[agile harbor]

Then you'll have a better idea of how the new stuff stacks up against the existing stuff.

[woeful umbra]

So theres a possibility the most expensive one turns out to not give that much value, in other words

[agile harbor]

Depends on who's asking or what your goals are. I'm signing up day one (if I can get one and sell my 4090).

[plucky quail]

And dont fall for Nvidias 5070 will be as fast as 4090. It will only if you get all the Stuff out like 4x FG and DLSS and Neural network and Ray reconstruction...

[woeful umbra]

Explain this to me like im a child

[plucky quail]

Probably by 30% they showed 5090 in CP77 With PT on 30FPS the 4090 Had 20FPS.

[agile harbor]

That's a big ask. If you don't know what any of that is, I suggest just waiting for the 29th and proper 3rd party reviews.

[plucky quail]

You know what FG is?

[woeful umbra]

No

[plucky quail]

Could be even lower with RT of

[plucky quail]

What card do you got now?

[woeful umbra]

Like geforce rtx 2070 or something like that. 4-5 years since I bought my pc

[vestal tusk]

Nvidia is baiting fans hard rn

[plucky quail]

Yea so you got stalker right? And in there under DLSS you can anable FSR FG or now its called FSR3.1. Thats Frame generation. Its taking 2 Frames and calculating a frame between. So 50% of your Frames are "Fake". The game feels so smoother. And Nvidia with the 5000 Series did that times 4x So 1 Real Frame and 3 Fake frames.

Either You find that good or bad. For me its bad cuz Even stalker 2 goes in to the real life or fake one. And i want it to be real or not imagined. What i will not talk much or i get Kicked XD

[woeful umbra]

Ah yeah, I have that enabled to run it on a mid-high graphic settings combo. Alot of ghosting but the game looks good for what I got and runs well with it on.

So this new FG system is something you consider to be excellent?

[plucky quail]

The Ghosting could be of the Upscaler not FG but i could not see now if FG times 4x will be good or not. Cant tell you thats why wait for end of this month

There is no 3rd party Testing and i dont trust Nvidia

[woeful umbra]

Thanks for the insight. Where do you keep yourself updated on this kind of news?

[plucky quail]

YT to be honest and reading things that interest me.

[agile harbor]

20ish years of just being engrossed in the enthusiast PC space

so forums, tech news sites, youtube and lots and lots of reading

[plucky quail]

Same

[woeful umbra]

Right, well thanks fellas. I'm a smidge more knowledgeable😅

[glass vault]

Well it seems like the funds 5090 is the only 90 class that is sff certified by nvidias program wonder how thermals will be

[long geyser]

4090 vs 5090 seems to be around 20-35% difference in normal RT and/or raster.

[glass vault]

Pretty sure the current benchmarks are for RT enabled not sure if it's path tracing tho

[glass vault]

I'm guessing path tracing so everything is maxed out

[grim wharf]

I was wondering if i could get some ones opinion on what sort FPS i should be getting with the below specs: Ryzen 7 3800x 32GB of RAM, Nvidia 3080 RTX @ 3440 x 1440 240Hz OLED monitor. In game graphics are set to High on most settings.

[hearty pollen]

Eeeh, you'll be hitting a vram wall with that resolution at high most likely, but I guess at medium you could probably hit 60 fps. Admittedly I'm kinda guessing here. That's a 10gb card right?

[grim wharf]

Yeah It is.

Are there any mods the will get me to 60fps? I'm currently sitting between mid 40's to low 60's.

[spare coral]

You wont hit higher than that with that cpu on this game i think
Some people recommend the s2 optimizer mod in nexus mod its the top endorsed one

[grim wharf]

Thanks mate. I was thinking of upgrading soon but it would be a full upgrade ie mobo, ram and GPU and all new water cooling components as it's a custom loop at the moment. Might just struggle along for now. Maybe drop some settings to medium and try the mod. I've got some other mods already running.

[spare coral]

Hair and shaders at medium help a lot iirc

[lavish mason]

Always knock down hair detail because lol lmao

[fickle storm]

I've "played" the game now for 3.5h and haven't seen the gameplay once. Any one on Arch with AMD who had crashes when starting the game and found a fix? I been trying for 9h and had to save my boot once after playing around with amd boot config parms any suggestions are welcome.

[coral token]

@high quarry I think you can help since you've dealt with other Linux stuff

[long geyser]

How do I fix the stutters (1% lows) and latency on a 5800X3D and a 4090

[vast wadi]

Why does the game look like a pixelated mess without any upscaler? #📸┃screenshots_and_videos message

Runs okay but with any upscaler it turns out to be extremely blurry

My gpu is RX 6600

[agile harbor]

I think its been noted that with even TSR off, the game looks like garbage.

(native)

But upscaling with a base res of 1080p also sucks no matter which way you cut it

[vast wadi]

Have developers mentioned on it being fixed?

[broken sage]

I had the same issue. Glad its just not me, the foliage and trees are the worst

[agile harbor]

I don't think anything at all regarding performance and visuals have been touched on since launch.

[tame hound]

There is a channel, #📜┃ask-gsc , where you could ask them about this but I’d be willing to bet they are focused on a lot more of the bugs an stuff people are experiencing

[agile harbor]

The majority of the fixes in the patches we've had so far have indeed been mission/story/gameplay related

I expect performance stuff to be tackled after that

[vast wadi]

That's been the worst part of the game for me yet, and it really stops me from enjoying it

[tame hound]

I still can’t play the game for more than 30-40 minutes without crashing lol an there still some bugs that affect the questing/storyline an stuff like that which is pretty important to fix

[vast wadi]

I can't play it for long without having an eye strain because of that blur or grain

[agile harbor]

My suggestion is use at least FSR Quality mode

Nothing more than Quality

[tame hound]

I don’t experience this but I do use FSR 3.1

[vast wadi]

You mean frame generation?

[tame hound]

Yeah

[vast wadi]

Used it while playing with controller but on mouse that input lag is a deal braker

[tame hound]

Turn on low latency, fixed the input lag for me

[agile harbor]

FG wouldn't have an effect here, you want to use FSR in the Quality mode setting.

[tame hound]

Well there that’s even better. Ignore the FG an just try FSR

[agile harbor]

No upscaling at all in this game is broken, visually. It looks terrible, as evident in the screenshot

[coral token]

nah I have ran FSR in native actually looks fine but you need post processing

so it's not really no upscale it's more of upscale in this game is baked together with TAA

[agile harbor]

I haven't done any of it myself (I run DLSS full time) but I seem to recall some complaining of the quality if you disable everything, including TAA

[coral token]

try running DLSS in native aa

[agile harbor]

for true native

[coral token]

frames will suffer that's true but it does look good

[agile harbor]

DLAA? Oh yeah it looks great.

[coral token]

at least FSR did I don't have DLSS since am on AMD

[agile harbor]

But I stick to Quality mode. At 4K native its a big help.

[coral token]

same how I run

quality mode is way to go for good frames but am at 1440p not 4k

[agile harbor]

great thing about starting at 4K is you can even drop to Balanced and it still looks good

[coral token]

I mean even on native 1440p that's true tbh

[spare coral]

Only upscaler at native that looks like garbage is TAA

[coarse linden]

Tbh how can anyone even play with frame gen. Input lag is atrocious

Even with reflex its like playing with vsync

[coral token]

no idea for me works fine but am on AMD not Nvidia lol

[tame hound]

I use reflex an it’s perfectly fine. An I’m hoping between it and stuff like csgo and other FPS games. Don’t notice any input lag whatsoever

[coral token]

my input lag at most is 10ms mostly is 3-5ms

in Stalker 2

[tame hound]

Roughly the same using frame gen

[tawny thicket]

this game doesnt have anti lag 2 and reflex is nvidia exclusive (while frispy is using AMD)

[spare coral]

Its pretty decent for me also on AMD but i still disable it cause i dont like how it looks

[tawny thicket]

i agree (though i think TSR is way too pixelated)

[tame hound]

Very true, I forget it’s only Nvidia. Without reflex the input lag is horrid

[spare coral]

Far better than TAA still lmao but true

[tawny thicket]

also : what is with 99% of games W reflex not including AL 2?

[tawny thicket]

TAA in this game is just way too ghosty

[tawny thicket]

input lag is subjective

[tawny thicket]

🤔

[tawny thicket]

i have the same GPU but FSR/TSR look just sharp enough for me like sharpness isnt my problem with them (neither is ghosting)

[agile harbor]

It shouldn't be blurry in FSR Quality mode

FSR Ultra Performance? Sure, yeah

Performance is 960x540 if starting at 1080p. Ultra Performance would be even lower

Quality is 1706x720

[plucky quail]

What FPS and are u using FG?

[coarse linden]

Base FPS being around 60

I mean i just tested the frame gen out of curiosity and decided its abysmal

Granted it being FSR frame gen since im on 3080

[plucky quail]

Hope we can Mod soon. All of Unreal games from 5.1 can use Antilag2 there is a SDK for that on the AMD open Source.

[plucky quail]

So with Reflex you still have latency? Try maybe Locking the fps will also help with latency.

[coarse linden]

Who knows maybe Nvidia frame gen works better when i get myself lobotomized to buy 5080

[plucky quail]

XD

[agile harbor]

This thing was wild. https://youtu.be/lyliMCnrANI?si=dDrylZu4F8IgUDc0

I want it.

[plucky quail]

Lol watched that 5 min ago

[agile harbor]

The usage of daughter boards and ribbon cables made it to 5090

FE 5090 PCB, if you notice, is in the center of the overall GPU and has no PCIe edge connector

or DP/HDMI ports

So there will almost certainly be daughter boards supporting both of those built into the cooler assembly somehow and I'm really curious to see the final teardown of it later this month

[tawny thicket]

agree (UP is 360p)

[agile harbor]

yuck

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIpLgTYt2g

Aint no way that the 9070 non XT is faster than any RDNA3 GPUs.

[edgy granite]

Nvidia left AMD in the dust again with DLSS damn, fsr was already mediocre at best but the new transformer model in dlss 4 seems sick so far

Generally we see that when a company becomes the market leader by this margin they stop innovating, or slow down, but at this point it seems nvidia is the only one doing anything other than catching up, although to be clear I still hate them for their anti consumer practices

Especially the fact that the 5070 has 12gb vram, which is so annoying, make it $600 but atleast give 16gb

[sand nimbus]

What a spoiler . Its what i talked about months ago , nvidia is the biggest AI researcher on the planet

[sand nimbus]

I thought about getting the 5070 but i dont want to get bummed out when i dont catch one at msrp on release day due to scalpers. Still thinking about it tho

I dont care about the vram i only play 1080p

[grizzled drift]

You seen that new Reflex 2 video?

[edgy granite]

I have a 3070 which I'm quite content with rn but the 50 series seems peak, also I am unironically considering modding my 3070 with 16gb vram 💀

[grizzled drift]

https://youtu.be/yWYbqOFyB5Q?si=hmm2h_AFWmlMZTb-

Look how much detail we get back with DLSS 4

[edgy granite]

Cuz Stalker 2 does eat a decent amount of vram, even at 1080p

[grizzled drift]

Looks better than native

[edgy granite]

Yeah, in certain cases it can, since its getting info from the engine.

[grizzled drift]

Also seemed to have lowered PC Latency a ton

[edgy granite]

Oh yeah, was it called warp latency or something? I don't remember exactly

[grizzled drift]

Frame Warp

[tawny thicket]

HUB steve said he was gonna be standing on a roof for the 5070 reveiw and that is never a good thing (i have been told so)

[grizzled drift]

https://imgur.com/a/ax68GWm

[tawny thicket]

🤣😂

[grizzled drift]

Kinda funny cause to stand on a roof for something is technically a good thing

[flat brook]

Depends on the intention of why you’re on said roof

[grizzled drift]

Well it usually means you're in support of something but I guess that depends on what you're supporting

[plucky quail]

OH SHIT STANDING AND ON THE ROOF???

[sand nimbus]

You will not do that

[tawny thicket]

⬆️

thats what i heard

and also makes sense since the one reveiw in recent memory where he approved of the product he was lying down (R7 9800 X3D)

[grizzled drift]

Yeah no it is supposed to be a bad thing apparently from him but the actually meaning to stand on a roof for something is supposed to mean you're in support of something lol figuratively

[grizzled drift]

Yeah lol he does it in reverse basically

think thats the point

[tawny thicket]

australians

[grizzled drift]

Pretty much

[plucky quail]

Where is that? Here we would call the Police and ambulance

[grizzled drift]

I'm sure the 5070 will be good but not a 4090

[tawny thicket]

⬆️

[plucky quail]

He was so happy on X3D

[tawny thicket]

🤔

[plucky quail]

No were near. Its gonna be a 4070Super or 4070TI something there. Its not really better than the 40 Series

[tawny thicket]

lets put the theory to the test

[edgy granite]

Probably not but maybe when I have the disposable income for it

[tawny thicket]

so he is sitting for the B580 https://imgur.com/a/2GF8PKP

[edgy granite]

I am slightly experienced at soldering and just enjoy destroying shit 💀
Also it will cost atleast $120+ something like that

For the nand, then I need the stencil, solder paste, ideally a microscope lol

[plucky quail]

Did you see AMD 9070 non XT? In COD IGN tested that GPU in the benchmark and it showed 4K 99FPS but it could be that the settings didint apply.

[grizzled drift]

Well COD is optimized for AMD cause of consoles but also I'm not trusting anything IGN puts out lol

[tawny thicket]

yup also 3 out of 3 the theory is correct so far https://imgur.com/a/NHedaGA

[plucky quail]

Wanned to say I9 he was standing

[tawny thicket]

4 of 4 now https://imgur.com/a/eSqf8fc

[plucky quail]

4060 Check that

and 7600, 7600XT

[tawny thicket]

was that a negative reveiw? cant remember

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Y3E631ro8

[tawny thicket]

but he is standing for this one https://imgur.com/a/8zY2StE

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ae7XrIbmao&t=67s

[grizzled drift]

4060 is negative yes

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UFiG7CwpHk&t=406s

[grizzled drift]

I think the only gpu they really recommend from 4000 series is the 4070 Ti Super mainly

[plucky quail]

Here he is siting

[tawny thicket]

https://imgur.com/a/3bRzhE8

[plucky quail]

He must stand on the 4080

[grizzled drift]

Yeah 4080 price at 1200 was bad

[tawny thicket]

nah he is sitting for that one

[plucky quail]

What??

[tawny thicket]

same for the super

[plucky quail]

Than that test didnt work 100%

[glass vault]

Is this the first time Nvidia used x3d chips for benchmarks. Cuz games it's using 9800x3d but for productivity it was 14900k

[tawny thicket]

https://imgur.com/a/YBBwA7s

[grizzled drift]

Well sitting means in the middle so

4080 is good performance, just bad pricing

[tawny thicket]

though steve usually recomended the 4080 over the 7900 XTX

[grizzled drift]

Yeah

[plucky quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78lp1TGFvKc

Cant be He is sitting on the 7800X3D

[glass vault]

I am surprised I predicted the neural texture feature Nvidia did. But only guessed it after AMD did their compression. If only I did I a year earlier

[grizzled drift]

Maybe then sitting is his form of laying down

[plucky quail]

I mean he was laying down on the 9800X3D

[grizzled drift]

So sitting is in the middle like I said then lol

[plucky quail]

But the 7800X3D is not a middle thing its good so the Test failed

[grizzled drift]

True

or he failed, we need to tell him to lay down for the 7800x3d

[agile harbor]

Yeah, its really exciting stuff. And supposedly coming to all RTX GPU's.

[grizzled drift]

Yeah, how long TBD but good for all GPU owners in the end at least

[plucky quail]

Its gonna be really bad if AMD dont do the same with FSR4

[tawny thicket]

steve we are disapointed

[glass vault]

I think we are at the point where improvement won't be via hardware advances but rather software new tech/ features in developing games and tricks like frame gen will be the way we advance

Software will pick up where hardware lacks for each generation

[grizzled drift]

I agree and I think it’s because rasterization or hardware has hit a bottleneck in terms of performance

Everyone keeps screaming they want raw performance but the sad reality is I don’t think raw performance can keep up

[glass vault]

We used to get to much performance because we made it smaller and smaller. But we are at a size where it's becoming harder to get a major increase.

[grizzled drift]

Yeah

[glass vault]

We still have maybe a decade before we hit the limit of silicon chips but it doesn't mean we hit the limit. If we keep going the route of chiplet we can get faster by going bigger

[grizzled drift]

I was impressed by the size of the PCB for the 5090 tbh

[glass vault]

Same especially 2 slot design will be surprised it it doesn't throttle

[grizzled drift]

Yeah overall was a very small design compared to the 4090 , interested to see thermals and performance

And will also be interesting to see how AIB models get designed and if they keep the same size cause from what I saw so far they seem bigger than the FE model

[glass vault]

The Fe 5090 is the only design on the sff list

[grizzled drift]

Oh makes sense then

[glass vault]

Probably all bigger BC they oc them to hold higher boost. It can probably do it just a problem of temp

Man I should look at getting a smaller pc case having a fractal define 7 XL is great until you gotta move it

I don't think supply for 50 series will be as big of a problem as previous gens since they been producing it earlier I think since Oct

[agile harbor]

5090FE is quite interesting. I/O and PCIe through ribbon cables to daughter boards. Liquid metal to dual passthrough heatsink with vapor chamber. Its certainly an engineering masterpiece.

AIB cards are more standard sized

along with AIB coolers

[sand nimbus]

Happy to announce i pre ordered a 5090!

[agile harbor]

Dunno about that

[spare coral]

I might get a 4070ti with a ryzen 7800x3d but i have a 60hz 1080p tv as my monitor

[grizzled drift]

Pre ordered a 5090 lol?

Like a prebuilt PC you mean?

[sand nimbus]

No i asked a local shop to lay one back for me

[grizzled drift]

Oh

I doubt quantity will be an issue like previous years

[sand nimbus]

Its so gonna be an issue

[grizzled drift]

Everyone got Covid PTSD lol

[sand nimbus]

You wont get a 50 card the day after Release trust me on that one

Youll wait months, and then you have to pay twice msrp

[grizzled drift]

Doubt

[plucky quail]

....

[grizzled drift]

Just like I was right about 5000 series prices not being crazy, I don’t think inventory will be either

[sand nimbus]

How comes

Genuinely interested

It would be beautiful if youre right but come on

[grizzled drift]

Just my opinion lol

[sand nimbus]

Sad

[grizzled drift]

No need to be upset over one persons ideas and opinions

[sand nimbus]

But i am

[grizzled drift]

Kick rocks then

[sand nimbus]

I hate you

[grizzled drift]

[plucky quail]

True they where disapointing. Everyone expected Raster uplift like the 4000 did but that dont even looks like it.

[tawny thicket]

i look back at this server.....and this is what i see

[sand nimbus]

Dude raster is over

[grizzled drift]

Raster is over

[sand nimbus]

PT is the only future always was

[grizzled drift]

It’s all fun n games don’t worry

[tawny thicket]

meanwhile : 5090 gets 28fps at its intended use resolution

[plucky quail]

PT is but still under 30FPS in CP77

[sand nimbus]

Thats not pts fault lol

[spare coral]

We went from 27 fps with PT to 28 such a big jump

[grizzled drift]

Actually it was 22 to 28

[sand nimbus]

Is this 28 fps 4k native? If so, absolutely insane

[tawny thicket]

i think it was 24 for the 4090

[grizzled drift]

lol

[plucky quail]

Thats not even 30% upgrade of last gen

[spare coral]

Lmao

[tawny thicket]

everyone is saying something else

[grizzled drift]

I’m just here to laugh

[sand nimbus]

Who cares, the RT cores are upgraded tremendously just like 30 to 40

[grizzled drift]

Ima enjoy the new cards when they drop

[tawny thicket]

would be----if it wasnt a 2000+€ GPU

[plucky quail]

24-23 its just margin of error

[sand nimbus]

Leave immediately

[grizzled drift]

Fine

[sand nimbus]

that's one month of work

[tawny thicket]

yeah @grizzled drift just leave this server

[grizzled drift]

MONOLITA

[spare coral]

Maybe for the 6090 we will finally get stable 30fps at 4k native

[sand nimbus]

Probably not

[grizzled drift]

I’ll enjoy my 6090 without you guys then

[tawny thicket]

😂🤣

[grizzled drift]

[glass vault]

Production for these started earlier than previous gens with more time before launch. There will be more stock but who knows how many people will buy day of

[sand nimbus]

60 series will probably be special tho, revolutionary

[spare coral]

6x more fake frames

[sand nimbus]

I wanted to get a 5070 but i know its impossible.

[tawny thicket]

😂

[glass vault]

Gamers nexus also released the 4090 prototype card video

[tawny thicket]

also : who needs MFG?????? when you already have MFG at home........

[glass vault]

Looks the the prototype card was a 4090 mainly to act as a cooler design for the 50 series

[sand nimbus]

Whats 4090, weak card. 5090 its where its at

[tawny thicket]

from NVIIIIIIIIIDIAs charts the 5090 seemed like it was 30~% faster (in a like for like situation) ------ not that big

[sand nimbus]

No one hyped about flss4?

[plucky quail]

60 will be with Direct Learning Psi Emitter Called DLPE

[agile harbor]

Hyped about all of it and excited to play with it myself.

[tawny thicket]

FLSS????????

[sand nimbus]

What do you even expect lol its physically impossible to be much better at this point. If you want a 1000% percent uplift they need entirely new tech

[glass vault]

It should be 33% roughly since that was the cuda core count increase. But Im hoping there a big more improvement in normal since it is a new generation rather than just AI being able to run on shaders and more tensor cores

[plucky quail]

Not really maybe they can 3D stack do like something else there are ways one way is using AI.

[sand nimbus]

Its time at January 30th. I actually stopped my alan wake 2 play through so i can get my hands on it in this game

[grizzled drift]

I was in the middle of making a sandwich and you guys interrupted me

[spare coral]

My bad og

[tawny thicket]

SORRY😭😭😭😭

[grizzled drift]

Now we’ll never see the 5090

[glass vault]

Problem with 3vcache is thermal problems if it happens in CPUs who knows if there will even be a benefit in gpus

[sand nimbus]

We dont need your trolling @grizzled drift

[grizzled drift]

No, we don’t need you Mr.Makanda

[sand nimbus]

I have powerful friends

[grizzled drift]

Step off son you don’t know me

[plucky quail]

They did that on older AMD GPUs but didnt really work out.

[sand nimbus]

You need me one way or another its fine

[grizzled drift]

We’ll see about that once I get all the infinite stones

[pulsar nimbus]

now kiss

[tawny thicket]

❓

[plucky quail]

cant remember what kind of GPU it was

[tawny thicket]

waht which ones

[glass vault]

I feel like there isn't a big reason for vcache on GPUs since they got much faster gddr speeds but CPUs have proven to enjoy the extra cache. Since they also have much slower ddr5

[tawny thicket]

just add a few chiplets on the side

[glass vault]

That's what they did. In 40 and rDNA 2 vcache stacking will only hinder performance since it will be needing lower clocks

Plus they got the space to spread it out rather than stack

[plucky quail]

Yea well there is also like Using Glas as a substrade like there are 1000 things that could be used one is dont doing GPU performance and just using AI as "Uplift".

[glass vault]

I had a slight stroke reading that. Feel like substrate change won't happen until we get closer to the end of silicon tho

[plucky quail]

We are

pretty much

[glass vault]

From what I heard was we got a decade roughly before it is the end end. So probably 7-8 years before we swap if there is better material.

[sand nimbus]

So yall came to the conclusion what i said 10 minutes ago?@glass vault @plucky quail

Big if true

[plucky quail]

And Glass would help with Temp and that would help maybe using 3D stacking. So on and so on

[sand nimbus]

War ja klar, dass du deutscher bist @plucky quail

[plucky quail]

Was soll das heißen?

[glass vault]

I still feel like 3d stacking won't be needed since they have room to expand on the PCB. Maybe for apus,mobile chips but desktop probably won't change for a long time

[plucky quail]

So make the GPU thicker?

[glass vault]

The GPU die being wider rather than thicker.

[grizzled drift]

^

[tawny thicket]

its gonna look like that TITAN ADA cooler

[plucky quail]

Yea meant that

[glass vault]

Gamers nexus found out it is a 4090 with a early chip before the normal naming. Same amount of vram so probably not a titan unless someone who worked on it gives a bios

[plucky quail]

It did even say on the Cooler 4090

[agile harbor]

It was a cooler design study sample. Its been "leaked" in pictures for the better part of 2 years now and was thought to be a 4090Ti

[glass vault]

Yeah it did. I'm assuming it was a testbed to try different cooler designs and ending up taking it to make the 5090 cooler being passthrough on both ends

[agile harbor]

Finally we have some confirmation on what it was

[glass vault]

They are planning to ask a thermal engineer at Nvidia about it lol

[plucky quail]

I think the Cooler of the 4090TI was to Complex and did cost too much so they did not release it also its W i d e

[late ferry]

thelocalukrainian has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[agile harbor]

GN's had one on when they did 4090 cooler breakdown. Might be the same guy this time

[glass vault]

It might be

[flat brook]

Thermal issue seems to be resolved by placing the cache under the die instead of ontop, not sure how that would translate to GPU dies however

[agile harbor]

Certainly concern over the use of liquid metal on 5090. We'll see how that pans out over its lifetime. Should be fine for the two years until 6090, next owners problem.

[plucky quail]

It has?

[flat brook]

As long as the core has direct contact with a heat spreader or IHS, temps should be fine, the cache itself isn’t as volatile as previously believed

[flat brook]

Medium phase change spread, essentially Liquid Metal

Softens at operating temp to fill in any air gaps, if that overflows and hits the PCB however, bad day

[agile harbor]

Tom's reported on it this morning. https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidias-blackwell-flagship-gpu-uses-liquid-metal-instead-of-thermal-paste-to-reign-in-the-575w-tgp

[glass vault]

The main concern is lowering clocks or power delivery will the benefit outweigh the negative

[agile harbor]

And it appears to be actual LM, no PT material, at least how this is written. Similar to PS5

[flat brook]

https://imgur.com/a/dGuZttM

This is what I found on it, not sure how accurate

Seems to be something similar, but the composition points to a decent amount of LM in the pad

[flat brook]

That gap is getting seemingly smaller, we don’t have a 9800 non 3D variant yet, but the max defined boost speed for the X3D is only 300MHz behind the 9700X. I’ve already seen X3Ds run at 5.5GHz pretty stable with an AIO with decent thermals

[plucky quail]

Guys other topic. Did you guys see Chernobyl? Series? I find it has some insane inspirational shots for Stalker in there first episode right side of the wall was completely tilted to the left and that looked like something that Stalker would have some kind of Anomaly. Or a tunnel right besides the Power plant that goes under the Reactor.

[glass vault]

CPUs are one thing GPUs are different. CPUs proved to enjoy the extra cache but how will GPUs use it and will it be beneficial for gaming

[plucky quail]

We dont even need to 3D cache guys you also can 3D Cores itself.

Take 5080 Chip and other 5080 and fuse them together but nobody did that now(OFC its not that simple) . SO if there will be thermal issue or Latency IDK

[flat brook]

Yeah, reason why I said not sure how it would translate to GPUs, theoretically 100MB of cache would be insignificant on modern day GPU dies

[grizzled drift]

You guys are beautiful specimens

[glass vault]

We are autistic and nerds

[plucky quail]

🤓 We

[flat brook]

Fused together latency likely wouldn’t be too bad, thermals would definitely increase as would power delivery requirements. 2 seperate dies on the same PCB is going to give you dual CCD levels of latency, but considering both dies would be equally as fast, it might not mean a straight up performance hit, just the occasional stutter

[glass vault]

I'm not sure extra cache is as beneficial to GPUs since you got gddr7 which is insanely fast. Maybe better latency?

[flat brook]

Likely won’t be beneficial at all, not to mention you’re still very much reliant on the speed of your CPU’s instruction set

[glass vault]

Stacking cores will obviously be beneficial. Lower clocks will come with it but you got alot more cores

[flat brook]

Maybe 96-144MB of 3D cache on a GPU die could help with frames rendered ahead, and remove the massive 1% lows hit that things like Reflex introduce

But that’s purely theoretical

[plucky quail]

Yea it would be Fused on top. Maybe we will see something with UDNA?? Like AMD needs to do something diff here.

[glass vault]

Don't they use vram as a way to be a buffer?

[opaque moat]

i dont see AMD doing anything in the gpu market, looks like they full focus on keeping CPU dominance. wich i have no problem with that. Nvidia is a runaway train at this point

[glass vault]

not this generation they won't be. this is the last generation for RDNA. next 2-3 years will be when they make a comeback since they combining both enterprise and gaming designs to justify more funding. then it will either be a first gen ryzen moment where its cool but not there or i will be kicking nvidia in the ass on the low end

[flat brook]

Now is a good time to keep an eye on Nvidia and AMD shares

[hollow kettle]

In task manager, what is difference between gpu memory, dedicated gpu memory & shared gpu memory ?

Like if I have 6.6/8.0gb dedicated gpu memory being used & 0.6/7.9gb shared & 7.1/15.9gb gpu memory what does this mean?

[glass vault]

Been invested in them since June and I only made a dollar lol

Its so violate goes negative 50 to positive 30 in a day

[glass vault]

Shared memory is memory that is in ram that is accessible to the gpu. Its overflow to my understanding

[plucky quail]

The same as Looking at Intel Its now so low that it cost less than 20$. And the US is not gonna give intel up so the only thing from rock bottom is Up.

[glass vault]

I should've sold in November intel I gained 30% and Nvidia I gained almost 10%. Now they are nearly the same price I paid

If you plan to invest just go with the index 500

[flat brook]

They should be long term investments, not short term

[flat brook]

I will probably be investing 25% of my available investment funds into Intel, 15% into AMD, 30% into Nvidia and the rest either ASML or TSMC

[long geyser]

what can I do about these 1% lows 😭

[hollow kettle]

Dedicated gpu memory is my vram I’m guessing, shared is what is being pushed off into ram & gpu memory is the total of the 2 I believe. But is it safe to assume the 0.5gb in shared is all background tasks being pushed into shared so my game can run with dedicated gpu memory?

[glass vault]

Shared is also shared with other programs so it's probably other programs most likely

[coral token]

I would say US govt did same to AMD during Zen architecture since before that AMD stock dropped below even 4$

Intel losing stock value due to the massive flaw with 13th and 14th gen cpus tbh

[coral token]

I kind of doubt GPU side can have as huge impact as Ryzen gen 1 did overall even if that very first gen was rocky road it paved way for AM4 and later AM5 chipset

Ryzen 1k SKU was on Zen1 Ryzen 2k SKU on Zen1+ 3k SKU on Zen2 while 5k SKU went on zen 3 and x3d with mobile 6k on zen3+

[dull night]

can someone give me a screenshots to get best image quality possible in stalker 2?

[coral token]

depends on your system lol

[dull night]

i7 13700k 4900rtx

[dull night]

system doesnt matter i want to see best graphic setting for best image, dont care fps for now

[coral token]

I mean I run all on epic which is highest setting I am on AMD gpu so no access to DLSS DLAA

but I'd say run DLSS with DLAA at your prefered resolution all settings to epic and try with motion bloor or remove it all together

I hate it so I remove it

[coral token]

my settings are at 1440p

[agile harbor]

Its RTX 4090, btw. Epic preset, Ultra Plus mod set to Epic w/ all the options turned to high/epic in the ini, DLAA.

Then native HDR but modified through RenoDX

You'll be in the 50's-60's at 4K

[opaque grail]

im confused now once again - i turned off GPU hardware acceleration in windows and the game still runs fine without stutters (still crashes tho)

[tawny thicket]

#PACEBOeffect

it was turning HAGS off

[opaque grail]

there was no way it was a placebo effect. i would call it an extreme coincidence 😄 the game performance was like day and night different after i turned on gpu acceleration. who knows maybe i did that exactly when updated the game with one of the patches and the patch was what made it run better. cant recall and im not sure about that tho, but definitely not a placebo 😄

[opaque grail]

hags?

[tawny thicket]

i am convinced that the restart did more than that

[opaque grail]

nope, used to restart before that moment too, but it never helped. well you dont know what exact issues i had with the game so you dont know what you are saying mate

[tawny thicket]

Hardware Accelarated Gpu Scheduling

[tawny thicket]

🤔

[opaque grail]

restart would temporary help with memory leak issue till the next leak. i was speaking about other things tho. after turning HAGS on and the restart, the game was running fine, crashing a lot but running million times better and never needed to restart pc for that anymore. So i really dont want to believe that 1 restart fixed everything EXCEPT the memory leak issue obviously, there is no way mate 🙂 This whole thing is just really strange. Ah and today mouse input randomness happened again, didnt happen for a long time now but today it did - and what i mean by "randomness" is that the mouse sensitivity was slowing down HARD just for short periods of times for no reason at all. i guess FSR FG is the cause in this case, but didnt experience it for a long time, till now.

[plucky quail]

I dont think cuz of that. THe time where we all heard of the Issues the Stock didnt change so i dont think its cuz of that.

[coral token]

Weird either way so Intel is losing major stock share

I would say it's due to their 10nm debaucle and a lot of other issues also if I recall a lot of companies switched their systems to AMD due to that fault

[glass vault]

That was a while ago

[plucky quail]

Well they are loosing Market share and money. Intel is still huge but no more the 95% that it was before. Gonna see how they turn the turntables 🙂

[coral token]

Wrong

[coral token]

Same wondering now they'll fix this now

[glass vault]

I bought their stock right after it finished tanking because of the problems of 13-14th gen in summer

[coral token]

And what did you gain out of it?

[plucky quail]

More i am thinking of AMDs Marketing team they should not work anymore there after so many times

[glass vault]

Went up 33% in November now it's back down to my purchase price

[coral token]

Honestly I remember early 2k where Intel had choke hold on market but most of it was fake marketing as AMD Athlon beat them so hard wasn't funny

[coral token]

I guess you didn't sell

[glass vault]

Nope reason being it was only gonna be a gain of 30% and letting it sit longer will most likely gain me more in the long run

[coral token]

Fair enough

But I mean 30% gain would have been great

[glass vault]

It was only 100$ total investment so I rather have it sit

[coral token]

Fair enough

I mean could have been 130 return then buy at same price for 130

But that's the gamble of this

[glass vault]

If it was over 1k I would have sold if I also had it longer than a year so I won't have to pay higher tax due to it being a short term investment

[coral token]

Why Intel tanking now idek

Probably amd hitting them on server side now

[glass vault]

Not sure tbh but it started dropping in November

[coral token]

I mean wasn't that when amd launched that monster of a server cpu?

October or November

[glass vault]

It boosted in November during the us elections. Probably due to new admin potentially helping them long term

[coral token]

https://www.nextplatform.com/2024/10/10/amd-turns-the-screws-with-turin-server-cpus/ i think this too

AMD has overall taken a lot from intel in server side lately

[glass vault]

Yeah but in November it was positive not going negative. So AMD releasing something better in theory would make it go down not up

[coral token]

I mean they went up due to flaw with 13th 14th gen

Then also success on servers

And that success goes back since zen architecture

[glass vault]

The timing of the increase was in line with elections and also alot of other companies like Nvidia and AMD went up as well

[coral token]

Probably also supplies

[glass vault]

Most likely due to the results potentially favourable to their business and then people buying stock made it rise more

[coral token]

AMD still has Global foundries and probably better connection to TSMC Samsung foundries

While Intel is newcomer to that field

[glass vault]

Intel is domestic to US and I think tsmc is also making a foundry here as well now

[coral token]

I'd say this all is back to chip wars and who gets most leverage out of TSMC samsung wins more

AMD is also US domestic

[glass vault]

Never heard about AMD being domestic so I didn't include it

[coral token]

It was founded just so Intel isn't monopoly in cpus in US

So AMD overall is biggest thorn for Intel

Also amd is reason we have pcs with more than 4gb of ram and more than 4 cores lol

[glass vault]

Intel would be doing better if they also didn't outsource to tsmc

[coral token]

They ran in heavy problems with their own internal silicon production

[glass vault]

The 4gb of ram is probably a stretch . But 4 core is most likely true.

[coral token]

AMD made x64 because intel blocked them from x32

32 bit ram limit is bit under 4gb

[plucky quail]

But they dont have foundry and much more scaled down. Thats why its for the US much more important

[coral token]

Global foundries is AMD while split

[glass vault]

In a way x64 wouldn't have come as early without intel because of them blocking x32

[coral token]

But it's why we also got zen architecture

Necessity is mother of invention

[glass vault]

X64 didn't cause zen architecture. Intel beating their ass for years did

[coral token]

X64 beat Intel for a while before core duo

2000-2010 era

[glass vault]

They have been trading blows for a while at this rate intel is due for a turnaround might be with their new CPUs removing smt

[coral token]

Still remember cooking on pentium

[coral token]

Yeah but Intel in this scenario is a goliath

[sand nimbus]

@coral token you still here?

[coral token]

Not for you

[glass vault]

It what you get for only having 2 companies in a market they are gonna be Goliath's of the industry

[sand nimbus]

Leave this server

[grizzled drift]

Team Green

[coral token]

Let's be friends

[sand nimbus]

I dont need friends.

[coral token]

Accept friend req

You ping me always

[coral token]

What is team green when will nvidia make cpu?

[grizzled drift]

Idk but they need to hurry up

[glass vault]

They already have

[coral token]

So far it's amd and Intel while those two also make gpus now and nvidia is sucking off ai

[grizzled drift]

Technically speaking , they do have a cpu

That new standalone Project Digits

[coral token]

X86-64

[grizzled drift]

Delete system32

[glass vault]

Yeah grace it is sold together I digits but separate for other parts

[tawny thicket]

ARM + WIN-DOWES = BAD

[late ferry]

kerensk has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tawny thicket]

i saw that😀

[long geyser]

How do I fix my 1% lows

[tawny thicket]

thats the neat part

[long geyser]

"you dont"

[tawny thicket]

STUPID SLOWMODE

[long geyser]

I am on the verge

[tawny thicket]

anyway.....what specs?

[long geyser]

5800x3d 4090 32gb

[next whale]

I keep getting crashes, i just reinstalled the game

[tawny thicket]

SSD?

[next whale]

it wont start, Im using 16 Ram and rx 6600

[tawny thicket]

during shader compile?

[next whale]

Yep, at the start. It just crashes

I just reinstalled the game because i didnt had space to install the update

[tawny thicket]

do you have mods installed?

[long geyser]

970 evo plus

[next whale]

Nope, clean install. I'll try to verify the files

[tawny thicket]

OK i have no idea prolly just game

[long geyser]

Didn't expect anything more

Im even using boost mods, yes the average framerate goes up but my average framerate is good WITH or WITHOUT mods, its always 120+ (usually 130-160fps) but the problem is that the 1% fps goes from 90 to 50 to 30 to even the low 20s then back up

[tawny thicket]

stut-ter

[long geyser]

I could stand still and do absolutely nothing, away from towns too, and watch as my 1% fps fluctuates in the range of 30 to 100 fps

[long geyser]

the stutter is basically the low 1%

[tawny thicket]

suggestion : try without DLSS (maybe it helps IDK)

[long geyser]

spoiler: || it doesnt ||

Ive tried dlss, fsr (native aa) and off

[tawny thicket]

😭

[grizzled drift]

Mine 1% lows don't do that

[sand nimbus]

Stalker 2 is so woke man real females

[outer sundial]

Hey, i finish the game, || but in the last mission with Strelok ending im getting fps drop. Now i have 20-25, before it was 40-60. I load my last save before last mission, still bad fps. Did game restart, teleport to different locations and still the same. I try to start a new game in slot 2. In the new game fps is good || Now i want to explore side mission and the map, but i have performance issues in my main slot 1 game

[sand nimbus]

What if i told you that 50 series special AI capabilities remove any stutter

[tawny thicket]

i wouldnt belive you

[sand nimbus]

Its true. Find more information in my bio

[agile harbor]

trolling, nice

[south depot]

Simple question, on steam page the minimal requirements for the GPU Are GTX 1060 6GB for 30 FPS, I have a GTX 1650 and at this one mission i have 5 Frames, tf went wrong?

[glass vault]

1650 is still slower than a 1060 plus I don't think it has 6gb of vram

[south depot]

Anything i can do besides gettin a new card?

and potentially waiting for patches

[glass vault]

Nope not currently sadly. Doubt they will optimise to the point where it can use 4gb of vram. The only solution I can see is upgrade

[grizzled drift]

If you're on 1000 or 1600 series, it's time to upgrade, no sugar coating it

[glass vault]

Yeah aim for 30-40 series for Nvidia 3060s should be dropping more in price pretty soon

[sand nimbus]

Anything under 3060 is unusable

In this game

[south depot]

Well... okay, guess there aint no other choice

the PC Needed a upgrade anyway, it's not the newest either

[late ferry]

makanda has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glass vault]

Best bet is used market 1080 ti are selling pretty cheap same for 2080s

[sand nimbus]

4070 is currently 500 bucks here. It will likely drop more. Strong as hell in ray tracing too. Hell even my 4060 does Alan wake 2 path tracing albeit at 1080p dlss quality. But it Looks absolutely unreal. @glass vault

[grizzled drift]

Get something with 12gb VRAM or more ideally

[glass vault]

3080 is probably the better bet unless they want frame gen from Nvidia. 3080 goes for 375-400 from what I'm seeing

[south depot]

4070 Alr for this one?

[sand nimbus]

Yeah, 8gb is cooked. I think about upgrading from 4060 to 4070 because of that. I only play 1080p. Sharp enough for me. I got bad eyesight anyways lmfao

But then my heart says hell nah, 50 series just dropped, why would you spend on ancient hardware. Its true but 50 series will most likely not be available after release day and if it would be double msrp

[glass vault]

Yeah if you are gonna pay anything more than 450 I would wait till February for the 50 series. But decision is yours

[sand nimbus]

Fact is 50 series even the entry models will destroy the old 40 in ray tracing which is undoubtedly the future. Easy as that

[grizzled drift]

I don't think availability will be that rough this time around but I'm open to being wrong, I'm just being optimistic, but yeah I used to have a 3070 and have a friend with a 3070ti who is starting to complaing about his VRAM

[glass vault]

It won't be double MSRP anywhere. Maybe 1.5x for them

[sand nimbus]

In Germany we already pay that due to taxes. 2300 euro for 5090 FE

[outer sundial]

RTX 3060 laptop here, all settings on low and getting 40 fps in a good day 😂

[glass vault]

I'm speaking of USA very rarely does it go double unless stock is super bad.

[sand nimbus]

Im gonna be honest man Stalker 2 is unplayable on my 4060 as sad as it is. The vram constantly gets full. I doubt theyll fix the usage. The only way is to pray dlss 4 is good

And 50 FE looks so good man. What a good looking design. Slim and modern

[glass vault]

Pretty sure the 4090 only hit it because of the discontinued in october

[grizzled drift]

I feel like Stalker 2 can be optimized for 8gb but you're just gonna have reduced texture quality

Like what they did for Hogwarts Legacy

[sand nimbus]

I think medium should be fine. But i still wait for updates

[glass vault]

Man I'm on medium with 12vram

[sand nimbus]

You can go ultra at 1080p

[glass vault]

1440p but went to high and it stutters due to the mem leak so I put it on med so I won't have any stutters for long periods

[sand nimbus]

1440p on which card again sorry my brain is fried@glass vault

[glass vault]

3080 ti

[sand nimbus]

Should be more than enough didnt even know 3080 has a ti lol

[glass vault]

Its a 3090 but half vram

[sand nimbus]

Theres a 3090???

I completely didn't catch that loool

[glass vault]

Still using a 1060 on my second pc

[sand nimbus]

Chad we still have a system with a 1060 3gb here. Its surprisingly capable

[glass vault]

I'm gonna be swapping the 1050 ti for a a380 when I get back to my dorm room

[tawny thicket]

you *can turn the game into FULL POTATOE

[south depot]

Elaborate

[tawny thicket]

W this : https://github.com/ColesyM/S2SettingsGenerator

[south depot]

tbh i dont think there is any sense playing the game if it is like a potato lol, especially since im getting a 4070 soon anyway

[tawny thicket]

oh

[south depot]

thankss thoo

[tawny thicket]

4070....also yeah no point

[south depot]

I Appreciate you anyway

[gusty lance]

Is there anyone that can help me optimze this game? Just downloaded it last night. I have i5 11600kf and a RTX 2060

[tawny thicket]

i think thats VRAM related........what is your problem with the game RN?

[gusty lance]

I get no FPS even with everything cranked on low, I struggle to stay at 30

[tawny thicket]

OOF.... what res?

[gusty lance]

1080p. This is the only game like this

[tawny thicket]

hmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZZWVrZOJrw&t weird......

[gusty lance]

Yeah I keep getting shader error too, stupid annoying

[tawny thicket]

oh

the one that says that shader compile failed so the game will compile shaders on the fly?

[gusty lance]

Yeah it doesn't do it all the time but at least 95% fo the time

[tawny thicket]

the low perf could be from shader compililation failing

maybe if you can get the shader compile to finish once you can add :
[SystemSettings]
r.PSOWarmup.WarmupMaterials=0
into the engine.INI file
to disable the shader warmup

[gusty lance]

Bros a genius. I am running at 56 now. Thanks big time. I have been struggling since I downloaded it last night lol

[tawny thicket]

it worked?

[gusty lance]

Yep. Sitting at 51 fps right now

[tawny thicket]

i totally KNEW it (i was 90% sure it would only make things slightly better)

[agile harbor]

I only occasionally get the shader comp failure. if I do, I just kill the s2 process and restart the game. get the popup and it skips it

[glass vault]

kinda sad that rtx neural compression tech is gonna be implemented into a game rather than through dlss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt_opWoL89w

[tawny thicket]

FSR 4 👀

(already seen it)

[glass vault]

i mean it looks like a major improvement

[tawny thicket]

yeah it is

[north linden]

Any way to make LOD pop in less noticable without FPS hit? Used an custom engine.ini with LOD fix but i got fps hit at around 10-15 fps.

Ideal thing would be that LOD would slowly show up like in X-Ray, instead of simple appearing out of nowhere but Im afraid that its an engine limitation

[tawny thicket]

prolly not

[flint spoke]

iirc not engine limitation, its how the devs put it together

they might patch it up eventually

[hard juniper]

should be this game's slogan

[flint spoke]

would be great to have for vr titles ngl

vram hog running 2 screens at high resolution

[glass vault]

I mean my 1060 handles vr titles well with only 6gb of vr but that's h3vr maybe newer titles are worse

[flint spoke]

at high settings on new or expensive headsets with much higher resolution its a much bigger problem

a lot of vr games are easy to run tho relatively speaking, but others are way more demanding

like unreal 5.5 vr games at a high resolution im sure take a bunch

or flight simulators

as per eye resolution increases and the number of higher budget games increase over time it'll get worse i think

like quest 3 total pixels is a bit more than 4k rn

and that resolution will prob go up a bunch over time

since ideally you want more than 2k per eye

tho obv you can play and enjoy a lot of games with much less

if budget headsets ever get eye tracking tho (outside of playstation anyway) we could save a shit load of vram with foveated rendering

so maybe it won't be a big deal 🤔

[glass vault]

I haven't really seen any new vr titles very few are produced now

[flint spoke]

well we had the metro game for example

but yeah its slow going, most of the games that release are for quest 2. but then we get standouts like blade and sorcery but those end up all being indies cause pcvr as a market is joke

as mobile tech for quests get better we'll get better games that are worth playing on pcvr but its still pretty smol market sadly

it'd be totally dead if not for quest imo, hate to admit it

[glass vault]

Vr fell off and probably won't recover for a bit. Maybe AMD apus will bring it back

[flint spoke]

quest 2 used to be cheap so tons of people jumped in, but its harder now when its 300

unlike other new pc parts people buy the average person has zero experience with actual vr so trying to get someone to buy it is inherently difficult because they can't compare it to anything unlike new gpus and shit

[glass vault]

They are cheap but still rely on having a desktop for some big titles

[flint spoke]

yeah

[glass vault]

Then you got people getting sick by playing it

[flint spoke]

for a lot of people tho even 300 seems like a lot, mainly because people don't know if they'll like it before buying

or yeah the like idk 10% of people that get sick. tho a lot of people can get used to it from what I've seen if they try

but yeah its hard if someone doesn't have a lot of money, or doesn't have any friends with headsets to try it out

tho its usually not hard to refund stuff thats still an extra headache

[hard juniper]

biggest issue with vr tbh really is just the price tag

ignoring standalone, they're gonna be paying a big chunk on top of what they already paid for a console/pc

also just the issue of setting it up and getting used to it. Personally i can't use vr for longer than a few hours, and it gets uncomfortably hot after a short while

[tidal karma]

Anyone know good settings so everything doesnt look fuzzy and hazed over?

[long geyser]

How do I fix my 1% lows on a 5800x3d 😭😭😭