pc-specs

[plucky quail]

Na not really if you are on a planed outside the City it runns good. Its just that in side there is so much AI that you get pretty much CPU bound

[tawny thicket]

for me satisfactory (another UE 5 game) runs WAAAAY smoother and just better with DX 12

[grizzled drift]

That game has had time to cook, should've played it when it first came out (I did), you would've had the same complaints about that game as you do Stalker 2

Give Stalker 2 the same amount of time and you'll get the same thing

[plucky quail]

Stalker 2 is kinda diff

[tawny thicket]

Stalker 2 is NO WHERE NEAR as bad as Cyberpunk was on launch

[grizzled drift]

No, it's not

[plucky quail]

Its not Bugs that are braking the game. Its the Engine or how they set it up to run stalker. Thats more work for them to do and they can outright ignore that cus its not really "gamebreaking"

[tawny thicket]

oh ok my braincells that have had 2 hours of sleep in this week overreacted

[grizzled drift]

lol you're good , I wasn't tryna say Stalker is like Cyberpunk launch but just saying it's not really fair to compare performance of a game that's been out for a few years to a game that released last month

Cyberpunk had terrible performance on launch

[hard juniper]

well yeah, outside in the middle of nowhere stalker runs good as well

[plucky quail]

No it runs on my system 80FPS at best where i get in SC more.

[hollow kettle]

Okay well stalker runs terrible compared to Indiana jones. Both new ue5 games. So what gives

[plucky quail]

Thought i had mostly bugs

[hollow kettle]

Feels like they rushed stalker release or something

[grizzled drift]

It was unplayable for a majority of people

[agile harbor]

CP2077 in its 2.x form with the expansion is a masterpiece. And that's coming from someone with 4 playthroughs, one of which as day 1 on release.

[plucky quail]

Like FPS?

[grizzled drift]

Crashes constantly

I played it on PS4 and 5 and PC for the record

[hard juniper]

cyberpunk was especially bad on last gen

[grizzled drift]

Yeah

[plucky quail]

Yea that i knew but i think stalker has much less of that and more of FPS problems

[agile harbor]

Indiana Jones is running a modified id Tech 7 engine called Motor.

[hollow kettle]

The only reason I waited until now to purchase it is bc I heard it ran bad

[hard juniper]

i never really had many performance or crashing issues, mainly bugs

[grizzled drift]

^ also this , it's not UE5

[spare coral]

The game (cyberpunk) only got playable on the 1.2/1.3 version without crashes etc

[hollow kettle]

Bro someone in here just said it was ue5 lmao

[agile harbor]

And yes, it runs beautifully. Can scale extrememly well in settings to low end cards.

[grizzled drift]

yeah its idTech, and yes its great

[hollow kettle]

Bodycam runs fairly well

[plucky quail]

Well except you have 8GB on 4060TI XD

[grizzled drift]

Correct, basically what I'm saying is that Stalker launch is better than Cyberpunk launch imo, just that you shouldn't compare the performance of Cyberpunk 2.0+ now to Stalker 2 currently, it's not a fair comparison

[hard juniper]

wild how different the experience can be for different people, it was fine for me since day one in terms of crashes. Stalker 2 has been much worse in comparison

[spare coral]

Just lower the shadows and texture streaming and you will be fine

[agile harbor]

Digital Foundry showed with the correct settings, it can run on 8GB cards with no problems. Its all in the settings.

[spare coral]

Stalker 2 for me only crashed once when i had msi afterburner open and i walked into an anomaly

[plucky quail]

Yea but you also payed 400$ just to lower those settings

and runn 90+ FPS

[hollow kettle]

I don’t think stalker has crashed for me at all. But it has dropped to 10 fps out of nowhere a few times and had to restart. Other than that it runs alright. Not really any stutters either

[spare coral]

Textures on medium are totally fine tho
Shadows looks weird even on ultra

[hollow kettle]

But with medium/high settings I don’t think I should ever be dropping into 30-45 fps in populated areas. Makes no sense. 60-80 everywhere else. And this is 1080p

[agile harbor]

Been saying for weeks but S2, while I completed it and enjoyed it, it just wasn't "done". This isn't a unique problem, unfortunately.

[plucky quail]

I did get a crash on Stalker 2 but i was OC my GPU so no problem from me

[tawny thicket]

yeah

[hollow kettle]

The entire are of lesser zone & garbage I think 90% of the anomaly areas you use detector at were bugged for me. Only after 10 hours I was able to finally get an artifact to spawn and not clip through the ground and disappear forever

[plucky quail]

I am just hoping that they get some performance in so that even in action the FPS dont fall under 60

[agile harbor]

once they fix all the story/gameplay bugs, i'm sure they'll focus on performance

[tame hound]

this is the issue im having with stalker. game is fun but it crashes every 30 minutes

[agile harbor]

every 30 minutes is going to be something unique to your system compounded by the state of the game. Unfortunately I don't think a game update will fully help you if its that drastic. You'll have to figure out what's going on with your system, up to and including a full system wipe.

I full crashed maybe 3 times in 115 hours.

[rare temple]

I think it's all the NPCs and possibly A-Life controlling them. I know in other games, you can control the amount of NPCs (Witcher 3 did this). It would be nice if GSC would do the same. Might help a lot of people who don't have top-of-the-line systems/CPUs.

[spare coral]

You can in cp2077 too

[fallow bear]

You might experiment using "FSR 3.1"-option, it seems to work really well as of now (RTX 3090 + DLSS "Performance" enabled here)

[plucky quail]

No yea i played the game trough but i meant i am going to play it again when they got some FPS.

[flat brook]

I’m heavily debating what I do with my OS/SSD come my 9800X3D upcoming Saturday.

Half tempted to nuke everything and start fresh, with another cutdown version of W10

Half tempted to see if W11 24H2 can be cut down enough to be satisfactory

[hollow kettle]

I mean I don’t have a bad pc but nothing crazy. I5-13600kf + rtx 4060

[flat brook]

1440p?

[dim wren]

i think the meme is real and Unreal is ruining gaming

[agile harbor]

works fine for me bone stock 🤷‍♂️

[flat brook]

I generally dislike the bells and whistles windows comes with, my current W10 install is very cut down and just runs on a local enforced administrator account as well.

Definitely gonna need to jump on 24H2 according to a few X3D folks, as apparently 23H2 hasn’t fixed the core scheduling issues completely despite MS stating that it should have

[agile harbor]

Yeah Its just not something I want to deal with. I like my Windows just work as expected. I just buy nice enough hardware to not be hindranced by it 🤣 That being said, you shouldn't have core scheduling issues with a single CCD chip, no?

[dim wren]

https://youtu.be/aq2sdrJVEMU?si=_5jK2bZfAKN-NfrQ

[flat brook]

Not so much the core scheduling being the issue with single CCD chips, but there was another issue that was holding Ryzen chips back by anywhere from 5-11%, which is nuts.

[rare temple]

I still think it's bad optimization, especially with the NPCs. Hopefully, they can address it and fix it, or at least, let us control the number of NPCs like other games do.

[hearty pollen]

Since you're a regular here, and seemingly strong on the insight of tech. I'm about a inch away from nuking my windows installation, but Microsoft is only offering 24h2 w11, and I'm kiiinda looking for opinions. I know it's effed but, apparently better when you do a fresh install. Any experience?

I'd also like any input from @agile harbor

[flat brook]

If you’re gonna be on W11, 24H2 seems to be the way to go. I’m still looking around for specific issues that need resolving, but I’d you’d like I’ll give you a ping here if I find anything major

[hearty pollen]

Hrm, I guess I'll just try 24h2 then. I'm genuinely happy with the previous iteration, but I got some issues I can't seem to deal with or can't be bothered fixing.

[flat brook]

Same boat here, this version of W10 has served me really well for the past 2 years with minimal issues, and I’m reluctant to move over to W11, but alas

[grizzled drift]

Can confirm 24H2 fixed performance issues on AM5

[hearty pollen]

Hmmm... Any other issues? Not that I've had any performance issues on am5, actually been lucky enough to score slightly above the norm

[grizzled drift]

Well at least the issue Ronin is referring too aka where there was about a 10% performance loss on the previous windows version 23H2

No other issues that I have or know of currently

https://youtu.be/JfQwWQBhoqE?si=UHIXJ4U7fDvcE01Z - here’s a video referring to it

[hearty pollen]

Honestly, I'd take a 10% performance drop for a stable and solid experience. 7800x3d has plenty of performance even with a drop

[flat brook]

This one in particular irks me, as nobody knew AM5 as a whole was being held back until AMD started knocking MS over the head, and lo and behold, 5-10% performance increase from a bloody windows update…

[grizzled drift]

Yeah it’s actually crazy how long that was like that

[flat brook]

5-10% from an update is diabolical, considering that’s nearly as much as a current day/future generational uplift

[grizzled drift]

Yeah literally

Basically like buying a 9800x3d from a 7800x3d rn

But without the $480 price tag lol

[flat brook]

Pretty much, and as my 9800X3D will be arriving this Saturday, I would like to see it being used to its full potential, not having 10% slouching in the corner somewhere because MS pulled another quick nap

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-microsoft-fuck-microsoft-john-malkovich-malkovich-gif-24980256

[grizzled drift]

You upgraded from a 7800x3d correct? You may like this video I have for you

[flat brook]

13700K, but my 13700K will be going into my server rig, so I stop running servers and clients on the same machine🤣

[grizzled drift]

Oh okay damn, I was gonna say it’s only about 11% avg performance increase compared to 7800X3D but for some reason in stalker 2 it has big gains at all resolutions

https://youtu.be/VN2_g_uzAA8?si=vkxCGCOnPWdRUrSm

[grizzled drift]

That’ll be nice for that though

I used to have a 12700k , I sold to a buddy tho, I was going to use it in a server build just like you though

[flat brook]

9800X3D is an upgrade over my current chip regardless, maybe not one worth 630 bucks, but I have a server rig collecting dust at the moment because my 13700K handles both the server and client faster than my 5800X handles just the server

[hearty pollen]

Heck a 5800x is no slouch

[flat brook]

So that is worthwhile to me, my main rig gets a boost, and my server rig gets a massive uplift, which eases the load on my main rig

[grizzled drift]

I mean 9800x3d is king for gaming, so still an upgrade over $630 intel chip lol

[flat brook]

It definitely isn’t, but running a DCS and Space engineers server simultaneously is pretty hefty for an 8 core chip

[flat brook]

True, my 13700K was only 310 however, but again, it’s a double win in my current situation as I get to upgrade both rigs by purchasing one chip

[grizzled drift]

Yeah either way, win win

[flat brook]

So well worth it to me, server machine can chug along 24/7 again

[grizzled drift]

Oof

[dim wren]

you can thank fornite for the state of the game 🙂

[agile harbor]

I have 3 systems on 24H2. I'm always an advovate for a fresh install if there is a reason to do one.

[hearty pollen]

Have you stumbled upon any issues so far?

[agile harbor]

specific to 24H2? Nothing that I can really think of that's affected me, no.

There is this, which I've looked over. Nothing that really seems to have given me any trouble. https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-health/status-windows-11-24h2

[dim wren]

abandon dlss return to monke

[agile harbor]

must.. not.. replace... 7800x3D with 9800x3d...

[hearty pollen]

Yeah, specific to 24h2. Sooo many that suggest to stay the f away from the iteration and wait

[agile harbor]

I'm a pretty relaxed person, I don't really get all hot and bothered unless something is a real problem. My games play just fine, but I also have the hardware to let that happen.

Some people get really picky over little things.

[dim wren]

did you guys get the ACPI bug with the new windows 11 update?

[hearty pollen]

I'm kinda stuck on mediocre performance, at least gpu wise. Bleh... Still unsure on the jump

[agile harbor]

would need to be a little more specific

[dim wren]

acpi bug, constant fan speeds, and acpi bug, on laptops making terrible fan curves on laptops on AC power

[agile harbor]

Sorry, I try to stay away from laptops as much as possible.

[dim wren]

well, i do too, but i'm not going to walk away from a $500 laptop that can play this game.

[agile harbor]

I can't imagine a $500 laptop plays any modern AAA title well.

[hearty pollen]

Except anything apple honestly
Say what you want about apple, but god damn their laptops, especially the airbooks are absolutely amazing.

[dim wren]

well it was discounted from $999

[agile harbor]

You know, you're damn right. If I needed a laptop it would 100% be a Macbook Air.

[dim wren]

i can play stalker on medium settings, with a $500 laptop and I'm Ok with that.

[flint spoke]

i've heard rumors that people who sell gaming laptops have a special level of hell

haven't been able to confirm it tho

[dim wren]

@flint spoke the hell is windows 11

[hearty pollen]

Eeeeh, some "gaming" laptops can be pretty decent. I mean, the biggest Asus have solid cooling, but they're not laptops anymore, but more like "movable".

[agile harbor]

the last time I owned a gaming laptop is was 2011 or so, some giant 17" Asus. I think I sold that thing after a couple of months after the various LAN's I brought it to. Back to wheeling in my tower, I hated it lol

[dim wren]

thin is in 🙂

[flint spoke]

not sure, im still in 2024

[dim wren]

i've re-imaged my laptop 5 times, because somehow the wifi driver stops delivering 1 Gbps

[agile harbor]

gosh I'm upset its the end of my playthrough (and I don't have a save before the point of no return) and I'm just discovering the Ultra+ mod

That + RenoDX is transformative

Excited for what this game will look like in 2-3 years

[flint spoke]

i tested ultra out and my performance was worse

i was like ok no thanks

rn im just using stalker 2 optimized base, and stole yert's reflection settings so reflections don't look like crap

[agile harbor]

its just the visual fixes for me

and the ability to ~~modify ~~ adjust on the fly with the F keys

I have to finish Indiana Jones (also an absolute banger for 2024), start Alan Wake 2 over again because i stopped playing it for some reason and the same for Horizon Forbidden West

[dim wren]

https://youtu.be/0jtHYnjBczk?si=aXnSvDOqz2SRnJ9T

[hollow kettle]

Nope 1080p

[hollow kettle]

Did you play space marine 2?

Definitely one of my favorites from 2024. Ghost of Tsushima, Helldivers 2, space marine 2, Stalker 2, Indiana jones, bodycam & black myth wukong (wukong I haven’t played a lot of yet but it’s fun) have all been notable games for me this year

Oh and can’t forget shadow of the erdtree (Elden ring dlc). It was better than most games I played

[dim wren]

havent played alot, the words of KOtaku

[lavish mason]

A new bug
Let shader cache run. It fails, get the pop up error message then back to "press any key or button to continue". But no mouse or keyboard inputs are accepted by the game client

[crude epoch]

yep had that before, i thought it was related to me tab-ing out during shader warm-up lol

[lavish mason]

Been stable in game at least until later in the campaign the other day,where game put my weapons away, refused to let me take them out again, and started echoing the sounds

Then crashed after a half hour struggle with this .

I'm currently spending more time looking at the shading compile watercolour than much else

[lavish mason]

I didn't this time, but the pop up made it so I kinda did I guess

[crude epoch]

im officially soft lock from doing the main quest :((

[tawny thicket]

this vote still...exists

[rich cape]

When I look at the lighting int he world, since there's raytracing for the lighting, the lights always looks like they're pulsing subtly on the grasses and everywhere

[tawny thicket]

thats why we need real ray tracing

[rich cape]

its not IF the raytracing is real, it's just there ain't enough rays!

you're looking at very noisy raytracing beingf smoothed by advanced filters

as far as I understand

[tawny thicket]

lumen is just noisy and horribly inacurrate especially the software version

[rich cape]

their denoising algorithm is good, but the results of random raycasting is ineffective

that's part of the tech, for this stage, we need exceptionally good denoising.

what can we do rn to improve it? I'm running a 4080, is that not enough?

[tawny thicket]

i wouldnt call a denoising algorithm "good" if it cant acount for 2 places flickering right next to each other

[rich cape]

well it averges them temporally, that's why it slowly 'pulses' rather than flickering

[tawny thicket]

or sploshy visuals and lighting

[rich cape]

Yeah it feels like they were trying to push the tech too soon

[late ferry]

birdtho has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tawny thicket]

and if you look at real RT you can see that there are no inconsistent/sploshy visuals anywhere

[rich cape]

that is a matter of massive rays cast over a long period of time. All raytracing looks like crap if you don't spend enough time watching it. BTW, what did the bot censor about my last message?

[tawny thicket]

"BTW, what did the bot censor about my last message?" it will just cencor stuff randomly

especially if it contains a "bad word"

[rich cape]

If you ever visit some VRChat worlds, sometimes the ambient occlusion baking is 'noisy', and you'll see the splotchy result of not enough rays for Ambient occlusions

not sure what bad word that was.

I love the way the world looks, mostly when the weather isn't "Seattle". It's pretty good

[tawny thicket]

Stalker 2s world does look good....very good

[rich cape]

So you know that ray casts are chosen, starting point, angle, magnitude randomly typically

one thing you could do... Use a predictable, seeded random number generator or universal distribution function that always places the rays int he same place.

not sure exactly how it works, but standing still, ideally you wouldn't see the shimmer.

only when you move positionally/rotationally

People are less apt to notice inconsistendies in their surroundings when they're in motion. That's why we stop and look around to get a sense for what's going on. It's hard to notice some kinds of subtle motion when you're moving a lot right.

So make the racasting change when the player moves, not when they stand basically still

The weakness of such a thing is that is, rays from raytracing miss a certain area of the screen regularly then it'll make a blind spot unless you move, it might look like hiding under a camoflage tarp where sunlight and shadow are checkered.

[tawny thicket]

it does depend on the incosistency

[rich cape]

that's why I say, it needs to be some kind of weighted statistical distribution

[tawny thicket]

eg : you are more likely to notice flickering than blur

[rich cape]

that's anothewr aspect of 3d editor-based raytracing. In Global Illumination you could adjust which light sources get which percentage of rays, and how many rays there are in the whole scene

I've seen algorithms have come about which do a decent job at estimating which light sources should get which rays, and optimizations

if you follow that Two Minute Papers guy on Youtube. Based onm everything, UE5 is using some impressive tech, but some of it feels 'too soon'. And as many have said, seems to force a specific implementation on users, or else it just isn't efficient

[tawny thicket]

i dont think that UE 5s tech is too soon at all

[rich cape]

But it's really not ok to use bad algorithms and just try and cover it up with the newer GPUs getting faster and faster

[tawny thicket]

we have had RT hardware since 2018

[rich cape]

well raytraced global illumination should not be normal yet, it's still too slow!

we need at least 10x that, if not more.

[shut elbow]

Whats so impressive about this halfbaked rt from eu5?
It looks way worse than alan wake 2 or cp77

[tawny thicket]

i wanna take a look at the real RT mode of UE 5 and software/hardware lumen side by side

[rich cape]

I watched a video from a guy who showed that one of their demo scenes with tons of lights was slower than advertised even on something like a 3090 or 4080

they showed some basic tweaks to optimize the scene.

for instance, using LODs, using some occlusion culling stuff, and limiting some light radii

[shut elbow]

This is main issue, EVERY ue showcase looks like alien tech demo, meanwhile in game it looks like trash

[rich cape]

yes, this is patently false advertising. They don't outright state this will be your gaming experience, but the videos always look ideal, never having lag or stutter

[tawny thicket]

hoooooooooollllddd up

wait a minute UE no longer has the "ray tracing" option when creating a project

[shut elbow]

XD
Only this bad looking lumen?

[tawny thicket]

yeah i gues epic depracated regular RT

[shut elbow]

Sad day for gaming. Lumen, nanite or whatever they come up with, is years behind proper rt.

[rich cape]

I was hoping for some built-in classic rasterizing solution

game engines always have been, there's constantly new algorithms coming out, and it seems to to a while before those things hit implementation

ppl vastly unaware of research being done, don't look there as often.

[tawny thicket]

oh well i dont belive my 4 year old 1st gen RT RX 6600 card would have liked that very much😂🤣

[tawny thicket]

it crashed lol

[tawny thicket]

again😭

[rich cape]

Well on my end, my main story quest is stalled at Visions of Truth because of some weird bug, and I don't have any way to jog the state machine or reset it 😐

[tawny thicket]

aaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnddddddddddddd again

its crazy how unstable this thing is

[rich cape]

actually, stable, really hasn't crashed for me much

because vram quanitity?

[tawny thicket]

UE ?

[rich cape]

yeah really :>

[tawny thicket]

maybe

[rich cape]

Also Satisfactory is made in UE5 and it works well despite the thousands of items moving on a lot of conveyor belts

[tawny thicket]

yeah that game is exceptionally well optimized

its also a great game (i think i have 700 hours)

[rich cape]

A friend and I are on tier 4 of the tower stuff. I'm enjoying the rifle and jetpack and using tier 5 conveyors to assist in takeoff procedures

[tawny thicket]

i built some hypertube launchers for myself

[rich cape]

yeah I heard of them, forgot how they are supposed to work, since they don't seem to launch that fast

[tawny thicket]

and a slightly oversized factory

[rich cape]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1283534121423077446/1323999231966711869/Screenshot20241228-15274000000.png?ex=67768ddf&is=67753c5f&hm=33052986f73bb6352135ccef4bb094c5b45846d38fa653e1200886d76518a8b7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1595&height=897

[tawny thicket]

https://imgur.com/a/yQBUajO

[rich cape]

That's quite lovely!

you're on a level of your own!

[tawny thicket]

thanks!

i also like decorating the insides :https://imgur.com/a/GolE39B

[rich cape]

yeah looks liek it'd light up with blacklights

[coral token]

Your gpu driver?

[tawny thicket]

im on adrenalin

[coral token]

No I meant what crashed

[tawny thicket]

not the driver

[coral token]

I remember you yesterday had driver crash

Basically adrenalin software crashing is almost same as gpu driver crash

[tawny thicket]

mostly irrelevant

[coral token]

It has happened few times for me on stalker 2

[tawny thicket]

it does happen from time to time

[coral token]

How I notice is when the fps counter poofs as its driver side on adrenalin

But overall performance doesn't get hit

[tawny thicket]

for me the game crashes and then it comes up

[coral token]

So I sometimes just reopen adrenalin software and it pops back in

Well I guess my PC is quite resilient on crashes overall lol

But that issue with 1.1.3 is honestly so annoying where they broke shader warmup

Like 1.0.1 to 1.1.2 I had no massive performance hits even with shader warmup

[ionic coral]

Suddenly my game freezes (hard locked, have to task manager end the game) during emission (in pripyat, if that matters). Anyone else have this? or know how to fix this? 4080 everything updated. etc.

[strong depot]

would yall recommend using hte ingame FSR 3.1 or use Adrenaline settings with Anti Lag and Upscaling

[agile cipher]

I personally notice no major difference in FPS between using DLSS and FSR

[tawny thicket]

FSR 3.1 in this case can mean both upscaling and framegen... which one ?

[tawny thicket]

adrenalin settings = AMD driver = AMD card = no DLSS so no point

[tawny thicket]

if you mean upscaling in game or via the driver i recomend the in game version (as it will look better) BUT anti lag should be ON as there is no downside to having it on

[tawny thicket]

for hardware unboxed FSR gave less perf on their NVIDIA card then it did on their AMD card ( % diference wise) which is to be expected

[agile cipher]

That kind of difference is very minimal and hardly noticeable.

[tawny thicket]

between FSR and DLSS yes

but TSR and XeSS generally perform quite a bit worse than FSR/DLSS

[loud mesa]

I wanted to ask why when I turn on DLS/frame generation, Stalker 2 starts to lag after some time, when it is turned off it works fine for me but the fps is lower and the picture is not very good, 4050 laptop and i5-12600H, I tried both with and without mods

At the same time, other games don't have this problem.

[tawny thicket]

probably a memory leak caused by DL-FG

if you want to keep the FPS you get from it you could try FSR-FG (in the settings it might be called FSR 3.1) but it might still have the memory leak issue

[loud mesa]

So how do you fix the memory leak? The latest drivers are installed and Game Ready,or are there any mods to fix this? or wait for patches?

I haven't noticed this in other heavy games

[tawny thicket]

IDK, the 4050 has 6Gigs of VRAM if i remember correctly which is really pushing it for this game.and im not sure whether or not the devs will be able to fix this issue. but it could also just be related to DL-FG specificly and not FG as a whole so it might be a good idea to try FSR FG.

[tawny thicket]

probably because those games dont use as much VRAM as stalker 2

[loud mesa]

The problem disappears for a while when I go to the menu, wait a bit and can continue playing, it's a pity that I can't play normally

In any case, I'll keep looking for a solution for now.

[tawny thicket]

try with FSR FG it might work a bit better (but im not garantee-ing that it will)

[loud mesa]

Well, I tried, everything is the same

[tawny thicket]

oh ok

[loud mesa]

But when I turn on DLSS, I can play up to 2 hours without leaks

High/Medium

[tawny thicket]

like the upscaling part?

[loud mesa]

66

on dlss

[tawny thicket]

that does make sense as its effectivly running the game at a lower resolution which reduces VRAM usage

[loud mesa]

Well, in my opinion, DLS has always been better frame generation , anyway thanks for the help, is 66 upscaling good?

[spare coral]

That depends on the person
Does it look good enough for you?

[tawny thicket]

if You think it looks good / acceptable yeah,but that is subjective

and DL-FG does look better on very fine detail than FSR-FG and anything that doesnt get motion vectoers

[spare coral]

Framegen uses more vram when you turn it on so its already pushing your 6gbs
There is nothing you can do about it cause this game likes to eat vram like crazy for now

[toxic lance]

My game started to crash a lot after a few minutes, I solved it by disabling Windows hardware acceleration (and lost the DLSS FG), but using DLSS + FSR FG the game was much better.

[tawny thicket]

it was more likelly DL-FG than HAGS

[toxic lance]

yeah maybe... anyway the game is much better now, I use DLSS for DLAA and FSR 3.1 for FG. Good thing we can use both together

[coral token]

Honestly weird how Nvidia can use AMD stuff while Intel and AMD can't use DLSS

Oh wait right because Nvidia is selfish

[glass vault]

Its a common practice to lock away technology for your products. Adobe and other companies do it. Its more uncommon to see open source projects like AMD is doing

[tame hound]

i see alot of people recomend FSR 3.1 but man it gives me crazy input lag when i use it

well input lag for my mouse anyways

[glass vault]

If you are under 60fps the input lag gets worse. There will always be input lag just because of how it works

[tame hound]

it feels alot better to me running 60fps capped on DLSS vs 110 frames with FSR 3.1

like its not even close that frame gen does not feel good. im not sure if there is something causing it to be messed up but it was borderline unplayable

[glass vault]

Some people notice the lag more. I really only use fg for single player games since input lag issues aren't as much of a problem

[tame hound]

yeah probably dont help im use to play FPS games an stuff so input lag feels so bad to me

but using DLSS an getting rid of mouse acceleration in feels pretty good

[tawny thicket]

to be fair Intel wasnt in GPUs for a pretty long while and AMD didnt have any AI cores so even if NVIDIA wanted to they wouldnt have been able to bring it there

but there is NO chance NVIDIA would have done it either way

[tawny thicket]

🤔 do you have Reflex ON ?

[glass vault]

I think it's AMDs problem of rocm not making AMDs cores equal to cuda

[tawny thicket]

and they werent gonna give their biggest selling point to the competition

[coral token]

Then you don't remember the debacle about PhysX in early 2010s

Late 2000s early 2010s

[tawny thicket]

i dont think that is related. and the problem with ROCm is that it needs Linux

[coral token]

Nvidia bought it made it proprietary and then finally released when it was irrelevant

[glass vault]

Alot of servers run Linux. Just alot of software and tools line pytorch use tensor cores and cuda which are different from AMDs version hard to get them to work the same.

[tame hound]

this i dunno. im not even sure what reflex is tbh lemme figure that out

[tawny thicket]

its in the settings

of stalker 2

[tame hound]

shit nah im too hungover or something i know what that is lol

i have it off, i never use reflex

[tawny thicket]

it reduces latency

and is pretty much mandatory for FG

[tame hound]

hmm ill try it an see. maybe itll help.i did not think about it tbh your the first to mention it

[tame hound]

thanks for this. feels pretty decent. not as good as without framegen but the better FPS makes up for it, totally playable

[tawny thicket]

yeah i heard from someone that whithout reflex it feels awfull

IDK who though

[tame hound]

yeah it was pretty terrible lol

i spent two days trying to fix it not realizing it was the framegen causing it

and theres the crash

Unhandled Exception: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION reading address 0xffffffffffffffff

Stalker2_Win64_Shipping
kernel32
ntdll

every 30ish minutes without fail

[tawny thicket]

with FG On ?

[tame hound]

with or without it this happens

but that crash specifically yes it was on

you know one day i verified the files an it found a few missing files, gonna verify again and if there are missing files this time as well, maybe it could be antivirus?

[tawny thicket]

why would it be antivirus??

[tame hound]

cant antivirus cometimes cause files to corrupt an go missing due to antivirus? if not what else would cause missing files? the crashes themselves?

well that didnt matter anyways all the files were good

[paper pike]

my game have begun to crash when i scroll down in my inventory

i have 70 hours and this just begun happening today

[tawny thicket]

i dont think so

[tame hound]

id always been told that was a thing lol maybe im thinking of something wrong

[paper pike]

i found out i have a corupted item but how do i remove it

when my game crashes every time i point my mouse on it

[sand nimbus]

It is a thing

[tame hound]

yeah i mean i may be speaking too soon but i allowed stalker to bypass the antivirus an it is going on50 minutes no crash

so fingers crossed it was that, had an emission an lots of big fights during that 50 minutes as well

[coral token]

Figure out if you can roll back save before you picked it up also report it to the developers with the steps how it happens when crashes

[uneven portal]

My crash report has crashed, at this point, I was even surprised

[tawny thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[tame hound]

i feel this man 😂

[mild rover]

lmao stalker 2 wont even start

[tame hound]

had this issue an i sat an troubleshot for a while before fianlly get sick of my friend telling me to just restart my pc so i did an its worked since

[mild rover]

i restarted it two times and now it works but with some shader thing

[mild rover]

i wish the game could hide crosshair when your gun is holstered

[tame hound]

why is my character all of a sudden auto leaning when im peaking windows and shit up close

[flat brook]

The leaning has always been automatic IIRC

[tame hound]

im just noticing i guess 😂

game crashed once again anyways so imma just go on anomaly or metro till something is ficed or i get my new pc

[toxic lance]

Let's be honest, Cyberpunk 2077 took a long time to be well optimized... PC games are harder to optimize because they have so many different hardware... Unlike consoles, which always use the same hardware from the beginning to the end of their generation.

[uneven portal]

Cyberpunk worked on a 1030 at launch and didn't rely solely on a lighting system like Stalker. Stalker 2 is in a worse position with a game engine that many consider trash.

[toxic lance]

The game was called "cyberbug 2077" because it was so buggy and poorly optimized when it was released.

[uneven portal]

And Stalker 2 is even more so, it's that simple. You have day-one benchmarks of Cyberpunk; it performed much better

[toxic lance]

Dude, cyberpunk 2077 never ran well on a gtx 1030 😂
https://youtu.be/D0-eZKPN0-Y?si=m4m4L5E2ZHZGB-Z3
Nowadays FSR 3.1 can even save, but it is difficult

[uneven portal]

Besides the whole "it's hard to optimize the game on PC because of the number of GPUs," I don’t know, maybe creating LODs could be an option instead of relying on Nanite, which is only a quick fix.

[uneven portal]

This is what many people consider playable in Stalker 2; it's just that people judge differently depending on the context.

https://youtu.be/gNCZNVSmesg?t=304

This is what the 1030 can handle in Stalker. I think it's easy to notice the performance difference

[toxic lance]

Look, it's already an exaggeration to want an entry-level card with almost 8 years of use and a measly 2GB of VRAM to run games from 2024... it's like wanting to run GTA 6 on a GTX 1050 with 4GB of VRAM.

[uneven portal]

It was simply a comparison to show how silly it is to compare the state of Stalker 2 with Cyberpunk. They have different starting points in terms of optimization, and clearly, one will have more issues

[toxic lance]

but, I agree with you that new releases are a disgrace in terms of optimization, seriously... this needs to stop.

[uneven portal]

It's going to happen more often: relying on a engine from a company that has never created a graphically realistic game on its own outside of Unreal Tournament (which looks terrible).

[toxic lance]

It's true, we can't help but notice that the Stalker 2 developers are in the middle of a war in Ukraine... and yet the game turned out pretty good, even with some bugs and poor optimization.

[toxic lance]

Games released on Unreal Engine are a disaster... thank goodness Rockstar created its own graphics engine, RAGE, look how beautiful and well optimized RDR2 is

[uneven portal]

Sorry, but abusing Nanite and Lumen, considering when Unreal Engine 5 was released, was a premeditated decision made long before the "war." Along with the fact that they started working on the DLCs from the beginning of development, and some other things, it all seems suspicious for me

[toxic lance]

Yes, I've been researching and it seems that UE 5.5 or UE 5.4 received an update that greatly improves gaming performance, Stalker 2 is UE 5.1 ​​if I'm not mistaken, is it difficult to do this update?

https://www.adrenaline.com.br/games/unreal-engine-5-4-melhora-desempenho-mas-stutters-permanecem/?form=MG0AV3

[uneven portal]

It's not the panacea it seems to be; it's a lot of work. Sure, it's possible—they moved their whole game from Unreal 4 to 5—but to summarize, just changing the engine isn't enough. They have to work on it deeply, and not many studios do that after a game is released. They'll probably leave it in a middle ground.

[toxic lance]

😐 What a shame... we can only wait for future updates with performance improvements.

[uneven portal]

For me, using only Lumen was their biggest mistake. Even NVIDIA's RTX can do a better visual job while maintaining similar performance.

Not even games like Wukong aimed to use only Lumen, because its disadvantages in both performance and quality make it less suitable, at least for the consumer.

https://youtu.be/sAoGwLQVSAo?t=146

[toxic lance]

In many scenarios the "Enhanced" version seems better to me, in some it looks really bad, in scenarios that I found bad is that fog effect that makes the screen kind of white

[uneven portal]

I believe that the fact they didn't automate such important aspects led to Metro Exodus, despite having some visual drawbacks, still looking more pleasant and better than Stalker 2 almost all the time. (It's understandable, since they overuse Lumen even for fog and rain.)

[toxic lance]

This part for example I prefer the "original"

https://i.imgur.com/yxKU8Kt.png

[uneven portal]

This is more due to the fact that the enhanced version was worked on top of an already established game; it wasn’t developed simultaneously (as far as I understand).

well At the end of the day, not everything is Unreal's fault. Games like Days Gone (using Unreal 4) or Tarkov (using Unity) show that great work by developers can overcome the weakest points of a game engine.

That being said, it would be nice if they stopped using Unreal just for the graphics. You can achieve even better graphical quality without relying so much on RTX, Lumen, etc.

Ten years ago, these technologies didn’t exist, and games didn’t automatically look bad.

I’d ki* for game engines to be in the state of id Tech 7.

[toxic lance]

This part, for example, Enhanced was much better (well, for me, of course)

https://i.imgur.com/XievavW.png

[toxic lance]

Creating your own graphics engine doesn't seem like an easy task. Rockstar, for example, relied on third-party graphics engines until they ran into some problems and decided to create RAGE.

It was good to discuss these matters, but now I need to sleep, good night and a happy new year to you and your family.

[uneven portal]

good night and a happy new

[serene meteor]

Hello. I'm thinking about buying stalker 2, but idk if my PC will handle it. I have an i5-9400, GTX 1650 GDDR6 and 16GB Ram, do you guys think i will be able to play it, with at least 60 FPS?

[livid spade]

Potentially on Low settings with your resolution set to 1080p but honestly the 1650 isn't even the issue there, it's your RAM. Min ram is 16gbs which leaves you 0 gbs of additional RAM if the game uses all 16gb. Can you play it? Yeah, can you hit 60FPS consistently? Probably not, at least not without some upgrades to your PC at the very least. Though honestly next to RAM your GPU is the biggest thing getting in the way, 4gb of VRAM is horrendous for any game made within the last 2 years at the least.

[serene meteor]

So what's the avg fps you think i can play it?

[livid spade]

30FPS consistently probably, maybe peaks of 45 if you're lucky but I wouldn't count on it. But honestly getting 60FPS on that rig in any game released this year outside of some Remasters is gonna be rough even on low settings.

[serene meteor]

Ok, tysm 👍

[livid spade]

NP, would suggest a major RAM upgrade though. 16gbs won't cut it these days, GPU needs an upgrade too but even if you do upgrade it the RAM would just hold you back no matter how many GPUS and CPUs you changed out.

[serene meteor]

ye, from what you said, i guess i'll have to save some money and buy a new pc

[livid spade]

Would be the wise choice, or just slowly get the parts you need and and then dismantle yours but reuse the case for the new build.

[serene meteor]

ok, ty for your help

[tawny thicket]

RAM isnt the problem here : my ENTIRE setup uses 13-15gb of RAM (and that is at the HIGH preset) while Stalker 2 is running the main issue is NOT the RAM its the GPU, it is equvilent to an RX 6400!!!! and comes with 4Gb of VRAM and is 31% slower than the RX 580 the minimum requirment card that struggles to get 30 on LOWEST settings WITH FSR PERFORMANCE at 1080p
and even if @serene meteor had a better GPU the CPU wouldnt be able to hit 60, im basing this of the fact that my R5 5600 G struggles to hit 60 outside settlements even though it is Waaaaaaaaaayyyyy faster than an I5 9400

and the 1650 has 4Gb of VRAM the RX 580 has 8Gb and the game W FSR P 1080p LOWEST settings wants to use 6Gb

[tawny thicket]

16Gb is fine, if you arent running out of RAM then the amount of RAM you have wont hold you back

it is fine unless you have 100 chrome tabs open and if you do...stop being lazy,you dont need that many and you know it

[loud mesa]

There is a mod that makes the 1650 video card supported for stalker 2

[tawny thicket]

🤔

that peaked my interest....can you link it?

[paper pike]

Found our that The corruption came from
That I borrowed the game from my friends library and he had ultimate edition. Then I bought it myself but I bought only the base game. So it was the ultimate monolith weapons that corrupted the save

[prisma minnow]

Guys... I'm here with Ryzen 7 5700X3D, Radeon 7800xt, 32gb 3600MHz, EVO ssd, 850W. And I cant play.... I played 25 hours(mostly compiling and trying to figure things out) and I had a crash now and then. but now it constantly crashes. not even a minute. No mater where I am or what is happening. It crashes on load, It crashes when npc's are spawning, when im walking here, when im shooting. I have experienced every kind of crash lol. I dont know what to do anymore. Clean instal. done, bios? done. gpu clean instal? done. everything.... Is it my problem from the pc?

[tawny thicket]

have you tried a new save? do you have mods ? does it crash even in the menu ? have you verified your files ?

(i can only really throw random stuff at the wall and see what sticks as i have no idea whats causing it)

[prisma minnow]

lol me too, just trying to find the secret. No mods. I dont know If I want to start a new save but will try it. maybe. No in the menu it doesn't crash. I have veryfied my files and did a clean install too

[tawny thicket]

yeah i dont know like there is nothing i can think of for why your PC would have issues like this (like i see nothing alarming about your specs)

[prisma minnow]

Had to hear it from someone... I believe the same. Its a fairly new build. month old. I have done stress testing and benchmarks and other things with heavy games had no crash or problems. Only with my favorite game

[hearty pollen]

No, its surely not the computer, i assume it works flawless in any other task. Stalker 2 i just a mess, and for some it just goes to sh*t sadly.

[prisma minnow]

That's one thing I find confusing. There are people, and streamers that play hours and hours without any problems... and with setups very close to mine and while doing multitasking. and there are people like us that we experiencing this kind of things. My knowledge in technical staff is poor.

[hearty pollen]

to put it simply, its just real life RNG. I had a lot of issues in the beginning, and now its kinda more or less stable, while a buddy had the opposite experience. You're simply unlucky, and it isucks. I feel ya

[prisma minnow]

Bad luck I can handle, Bad hardware I cant xD

[coral token]

Ah that's why so the game if you have your own standard but your save is from ultimate it corrupts

[coral token]

Sounds like problem I was running in but I wasn't crashing game went fully unplayable instead

Random freezes and insane lag your system is better than mine tho

Well I have Ryzen 7 5800x3d and 6800xt with 32gb 3200mhz

[tawny thicket]

the 7800 XT isnt much if any better than the 6800 XT

[coral token]

It's like 5-10% better

[tawny thicket]

as the 7800 XT has the same amount of cores as the 6800 NON XT

[coral token]

5700x3d and 5800x3d tho that's a bigger gap

[coral token]

Better silicon tho smaller die

[tawny thicket]

yeah yours is faster

[prisma minnow]

to be honest I had the 6800xt before and the 7800xt made a night to day difference for me in many games

[coral token]

I got 6800xt when saw a lot of reviews about 7k series and got it for like 400 euro so was a steal for me

[tawny thicket]

better *architecture smaller die + less cores

[coral token]

If not mistaken it's also on smaller nm die of silicon node

[tawny thicket]

it is

[coral token]

Hence more efficient

If had same amount of cores would be far better than 5-10%

[prisma minnow]

dont worry about nm, by the time we get retirement we will have optical boards

[tawny thicket]

went from 7Nm to 5Nm on the GCD and 6Nm on the cache

[coral token]

I'm also on x470 motherboard tho

[tawny thicket]

yeah doesnt matter to us only AMD

[coral token]

But a lot of tech people said 7k series are a bit underwhelming compared to 6k while 6k over 5k was huge gap

[tawny thicket]

shouldnt change anything

[coral token]

X570 has pcie4.0 I don't

Not a huge change but still some

[tawny thicket]

still shouldnt change a thing

[coral token]

It's like 5% difference lol

[coral token]

I'd say only solution is waiting for next patch or looking for gog version of 1.1.2

[tawny thicket]

i think thats because the 7000 series has half the L3 cache

[coral token]

Don't want to talk about piracy but then again we have already bought the game

[prisma minnow]

cant you change the version from steam preferences?

[coral token]

Only way on steam is convoluted depot download and paste it over current game

[tawny thicket]

where did that come from ?????????????????????

[coral token]

Since steam doesn't let you go back an update

[tawny thicket]

oh

[coral token]

Gog does but am not buying another ultimate edition on it

[tawny thicket]

i see now ( i think you pinned the wrong comment)

[coral token]

Xbox definitely doesn't steam can do quite technical work around

[paper pike]

Yes

I was able to go a bit back in the save before I got any ultimate gear and fix it

[coral token]

If you want I can explain the process how to do it on steam

[coral token]

That's good to hear

[prisma minnow]

i'll figure it, thanks

[coral token]

I managed to get the proper shaders on my PC on 1.1.3 through some wild miracle so I don't need it

[tawny thicket]

lets just hope RDNA 4 is gonna be better

i know there is that one leak everyone made a big fuss about

[coral token]

So far what I've heard AMD is backing out of cards like 7800 and 7900 class

[tawny thicket]

but i dont trust that leak

[coral token]

I have it figured I'll just dm you

[tawny thicket]

yeah they are backing out of the 9 class and they are calling the 8 class the 7 class

[coral token]

So hopefully the 7 class card at least will be in line with 6800 and 7800 at least on VRAM and overall performance

I wouldn't want a card with less than 16gb vram anymore

[tawny thicket]

rumors that have been going around for years say that the highest end card is gonna perform like a 4080

the most recent "leak" (the one i dont trust) says its gonna be a bit better than a 7900 GRE

[coral token]

Most likely early engineer sample that doesn't work like later revision

I'm by profession software developer I know enough about how actual hardware is made as well

[tawny thicket]

but what we do know is that the high end RDNA 4 cards will have a 256 bit bus and 16Gb of VRAM

[tawny thicket]

the weird thing is in the leak it was called " RX 9070 XT "

even though at this point it shouldnt have that name

and thats why i dont trust it

[coral token]

I saw that one

Would be a bit weird to change the naming scheme now after like 5 generations of going the way it has

[tawny thicket]

is only been 3 gens of this naming shceme

[coral token]

I mean 290 390 480 5800 6900 7900

[hard juniper]

feel like that would sound way too similar to nvidia's cards

[coral token]

Nah always has been this way just added 0

[hard juniper]

sure but just adding a 0 makes it way closer to nvidia's naming scheme
dunno why they'd change it at all

[coral token]

It's actually dating back to old 2000s ATi days

[tawny thicket]

but the 580

[coral token]

Forgot that one

480 and 580 are not even on par with 290x lol

Only has more vram and far worse performance

[tawny thicket]

what so the 290X is faster than those??

[coral token]

By far

Due to how much raw performance it had

And being GCN2.0 card

[tawny thicket]

no it isnt : https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-580.c2938

[coral token]

Thing is 580 is still just gcn

And all of improvements it got also went for gcn2

Where those gcn cards lacked behind is when amd went for rdna

[tawny thicket]

before RDNA only the FURY X/NON X cards were faster than the 580

the 290x/390x were sloweer

[coral token]

580 lacked in processing cores only why it is faster is due to vram

290x was on 512 bit bus

[tawny thicket]

no....the 580 has slower VRAM

pls take a look at this : https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-580.c2938

and despite the FURY X having almost double the cores it is only 16% faster than the 580

[coral token]

Not really slower ram smaller bus tho

[tawny thicket]

prolly cuz its on 28nm instead of 14

[coral token]

Only due to that but still while 580 was good card it didn't have as good performance in games as 290x in a lot of cases

[tawny thicket]

well today its different

[coral token]

Obviously both cards aren't worth it really anymore

[tawny thicket]

the 580 is faster by 12%

[tawny thicket]

the 580 can still play most games at 1080p (excluding S2 and a lot of UE 5 games)

maybe not at ultra but it can

[coral token]

I mean I used 290x in 2ndary system till 2020

And still played most games at 1080p or even 1440p at 60fps

Where it lacked was on vram amount

Also I had 8gb variant

Not 4gb most of 390x was 8gb most of 290x were 4gb some 8gb

[coral token]

That very same techpowerup article doesn't even acknowledge when they have article like this https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/sapphire-vapor-x-r9-290x-8-gb.b2843

[tawny thicket]

?

[coral token]

In the one you sent it says that 290x is max 4gb vram

[coral token]

But okay I wish I could play stalker 2 rn but am not in same home with my PC lmao

[sand nimbus]

It sucks that its all ending.@coral token

[coral token]

What's ending?

[sand nimbus]

Our love@coral token

[coral token]

For Stalker 2?

Nah its unchanged even with issues of 1.1.3 am just waiting for devs to see through the mess that 1.1.3 brought

This whole thing is in true character of the old x ray stalker anyway lmao

Except steam and other platforms force you now to update when in past it was voluntary

[sand nimbus]

The forcing of updates on steam is brutal as hell.

[coral token]

I can even go back to 2000s dark days of ATi/AMD drivers and say not all is bad as long as you found the correct driver

I was running the same drivers for years with no issues lol

[coral token]

Pretty sure I'll figure out a way and make a list how to stop auto updates on steam

We need more vetting on these updates sadly before everyone updates. The 1.1.3 broke the game for many who had no issues before it

[fast bluff]

Like the PSI effects after Duga mission

[fleet wraith]

Are you running any OCs?

[tawny thicket]

which upscaler do you guys think this is ? : https://imgur.com/a/ATezGqo ( i just added the perf)

[uneven portal]

With so much ghosting, it could really be any of the ones we have in Stalker 2

[coral token]

Didn't have any issues with that tbh weirdly

[fast bluff]

Its basically a 50/50 cahnce to get it after the quest

[tawny thicket]

it is one in Stalker 2 but in a condition which most people dont use it in

[uneven portal]

xess?

[tawny thicket]

no

[uneven portal]

TSR

[tawny thicket]

(4K ultraperf downsampled to 1080p trough AMD VSR)

[coral token]

Then again I only got to that quest at 1.0.1 since then haven't as that save corrupted on first patch update

[tawny thicket]

yes

[fast bluff]

the issue appeared after 1.1.2

[coral token]

Started now 3rd save and haven't gotten that far

[fast bluff]

eh imma start a new safe. Sad that i wont finisch the game on my first safe

[uneven portal]

Many errors appeared after the last update, but to be completely honest, those who say they didn’t encounter any errors before the update either didn’t play enough or are turning a blind eye.

[agile harbor]

100%

[tawny thicket]

yeah they borked this update

[coral token]

I wish I finished on my first one got to after killing Faust and already met Doc etc.

[uneven portal]

It was rushed; half of those thousands of errors weren’t fixed. I think it’s more about people’s perception of the update. They thought it was going to be a panacea, but in reality, it was just a hotfix like all the others.

[fast bluff]

Already had those. Glitch appeared on the mission with doc in that pod

[tawny thicket]

(same situation) which is which ? https://imgur.com/a/Scwqz6D

and DLSS isnt present

[sand nimbus]

I will only start playing this game when we get proper ray tracing

[tawny thicket]

i know you want it but we are never gonna get it

[sand nimbus]

We are gonna get it lol Lumen looks Like a schizophrenia episode

[tawny thicket]

no we wont 100%

[uneven portal]

Everything is flickering, lighting not loading, even the rain and fog are made with Lumen, so if you move the camera quickly, they disappear and you see the void.

[agile harbor]

I seem to recall hardware RT being confirmed for eventual release

[sand nimbus]

Its so bad i cant unsee it

[tawny thicket]

what....where?

[tawny thicket]

i have never seen it

[uneven portal]

Try it out, everyone can check it.

[agile harbor]

Interview. Not confirming, but its been discussed.

Slava Lukyanenka: We are going to have software ray tracing. As for hardware ray tracing, it's too early for us, but we are experimenting with that. We are trying to have it on the release date, but it is highly unlikely you will have it at launch. But NVIDIA DLSS will be there.

https://wccftech.com/stalker-2-is-getting-hardware-rt-cross-platform-mods-and-multiplayer-post-launch/

That was in August

[uneven portal]

There was evidence of what they say in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. leak, so it's likely to be real.

I pray they use Nvidia's RTX, in Wukong you can really tell how superior it is without any loss in performance.

[agile harbor]

If its hardware RT it will of course support hardware acceleration with RT capable cards, that's the whole point

[uneven portal]

https://youtu.be/MhTAaZt51vI?t=377

[tawny thicket]

i havent found any fog after someone told me it was a thing or if i did i forgot about it

[uneven portal]

It tends to appear repeatedly in Cordon.

[tawny thicket]

cordon????

lemme pull up a map

[coral token]

I mean I get that

[uneven portal]

Yes, they control the weather depending on your location. For example, when you meet ||Scar||, there will always be a storm. Generally, not always, but most days there is fog in Cordon, or at least that's what happened to me and two of my friends.

[sand nimbus]

Good post

[tawny thicket]

i think they mean Hardware lumen

which would be a big uplift for reflections and accuracy but not noise (i dont think so anyway)

[tawny thicket]

out to cordon i go

[sand nimbus]

As crazy as it is i would gladly pay for a ray tracing dlc

[agile harbor]

I started a new game the other night with Ultra Plus and ray reconstruction enabled and confirmed working. Its certainly made a difference in what I can tell so far.

As just a general denoiser

[uneven portal]

https://imgur.com/a/1jxyjK9

[sand nimbus]

How did you enable it via commands?

[tawny thicket]

im getting CPU limited at 30fps in Garbage WTH (unrelated)

[ionic coral]

Anyone know how to fix game freezing during emission? everything updated, 4090. No issues on my end.

[agile harbor]

No, just grabbed the DLL and put it where U+ says to put it. https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/484

[sand nimbus]

Not a hardware issue

[tawny thicket]

i dont have an RTX card 😭

[tawny thicket]

is that with AA disabled?

[ionic coral]

This a known issue then? all I could find was a month old bug related to a artifact (which I dont have)

[uneven portal]

https://imgur.com/a/1jxyjK9 "This is what happens when you even abuse lumen for the fog (it's without using AA)."

[agile harbor]

I don't think my game ever crashed in an emission. (115 hour playthrough)

[ionic coral]

it's not really crashing. the screen freezes (audio is still working. can hear the npcs, storm etc)

[tawny thicket]

and it doesnt resolve?

[uneven portal]

Not even crashing is capable of.

[agile harbor]

Independently check both system RAM usage and VRAM usage while this is happening

[tawny thicket]

PS : this never happened to me

[ionic coral]

vram ram usage is fine.

and no, it just gets stuck freezed

[tawny thicket]

sooo it never ends? Have you tried pressing the windows button and clicking back on the game? (just trhowing sometin at the wall to see if it sticks)

[sand nimbus]

Wtf..

[fleet wraith]

I've been running an engine tweak so I'll try that mod instead and compare

[uneven portal]

Unreal's automation is killing the soul of these games.

[ionic coral]

#pc-specs message

well... idk wtf is going on. I gave it a shot again and this time I closed the door (I was in a fishing hut during emission). Somehow that fixed it...

[tawny thicket]

so the only problem is when not using AA ? like it shouldnt rely on Temporal stuff to look acceptable

like i honestly dont see as a big issue seeing as the game is already literally unplayable without TAA/FSR.....

[sand nimbus]

So you would suggest adding Hardware RT now too?

[uneven portal]

No, I can do it again with AA. It always happens, and the lighting too, I just got lazy to turn it on.

[uneven portal]

It's a solution to the graphical issues presented by Lumen, not to the loss of the game's artistic direction. That’s irreversible at this point. Games like Days Gone (Unreal 4) and Tarkov (Unity) knew not to make this mistake.

[sand nimbus]

Days gone graphics are way ahead of their time

[uneven portal]

many games from that era and before looked just as good, it's just that people forgot that photorealistic graphics can be achieved without Unreal.

[coral token]

That's weird I have had no issues also emissions look cool as hell finding a good spot where can watch it is 10/10 tbh

Unreal 4 is arguably better engine than Unreal 5 as it is far better optimised

[uneven portal]

And curiously, they decided to move to Unreal 5 for some reason

[coral token]

Well Unreal 5 is new with time probably will get better

And that's most likely why went for it even if now it means half of gamers need new PCs

[uneven portal]

It's not a bad engine, it's just sinful. It provides tools that save time in optimization and development by automating processes, making companies repeat bad practices.

[coral token]

So less hands on engine so dev teams have more time to make their vision a reality than messing around with engine itself

I wouldn't say all bad practices but there always will be asset flips called games they have always existed

[uneven portal]

incorect, They make a quick fix so that no one complains too much, and save time and money on development.

[coral token]

I mean game dev industry is moving to this streamlining in few game engines as it means easier to get developers for that

However much we all might dislike that it's just how it all goes now

[uneven portal]

Nanite or Lumen are not the best technologies, they are simply the fastest at a price that we, the consumers, pay. They can complement Nanite with the creation of LODs, but if you're using Nanite in the first place to save time, why would anyone bother?

[coral token]

Did I say it's best? All I said is some of it is lazy asf and it's overall streamlining it too much honestly look at game devs who ditched their own engines that are relatively good last I recall recently CDPR ditched their own Red engine and also went for Unreal

[fleet wraith]

Lol I had no shader issues before and I tried the ultra plus mod and now I can't compile them

[coral token]

Mods broke for me 1.1.3 shader compile tbh

[fleet wraith]

Welp

[coral token]

It's why I have issue with 1.1.3

And even now with no mods full reinstall game crashes on shader warmup

Thankfully I did load in fully shaders so now I'll just turn them off

[uneven portal]

Yes, but I found it curious that you said they will have more time to make the developer's vision a reality. What vision exactly do developers have if they automate the process? And leaving aside that it's not sustainable, as we can already see.

[fleet wraith]

Yeah I had no issues

[uneven portal]

You can force the PC player to change their computer, but not the console player to change their product.

[fleet wraith]

That's on me for getting greedy lmao

[tawny thicket]

i disagree, if UE 5 doesnt have lumen/nanite enabled it will run better than UE 4 IMO (judging from how ASE performs VS ASA)

[fleet wraith]

Got through it this time

[coral token]

That's an if

[uneven portal]

That's the worst part, knowing that the engine is fully capable and very useful, but that the technologies corrupt developers and studios.

[coral token]

Does UE5 support standard RT?

Like hardware one?

[tawny thicket]

there are console commands that refrence it but in most games they dont work at all. but there certainly is a HW version of Lumen

[coral token]

So it's technically there but not there

[uneven portal]

like wukong

[tawny thicket]

i havent found non lumen RT in base UE 5.5 so far

but i did find RT shadows without "Lumen" being attached to it

[coral token]

So it's just Epic devs developing UE engine being lazy

[tawny thicket]

an there is also something refrencing "path tracing"

[agile harbor]

full path tracing, my beloved

[tawny thicket]

i was blind https://imgur.com/a/VjizRUq

[agile harbor]

MegaLights looks nice

[tawny thicket]

it gives a pretty good improvement from regular lumen when there are a lot of lights

[uneven portal]

It’s a system that is usually more useful for improving quality than for improving performance, unfortunately.

[tawny thicket]

have you seen how much perf it can give over regular lumen?

[uneven portal]

Its implementation sounds like a good idea, but all the videos testing it show movements at 2 meters per second or pointing statically at a spot. No one will play like that.

It has many disadvantages if not used properly, and its implementation in S.T.A.L.K.E.R., contrary to what one might think, doesn't necessarily improve performance.

[tawny thicket]

stalker is on 5.1 (IIRC) and it is CERTAINLY NOT on 5.5 which is currently the only version that supports it

so it isnt in stalker AT ALL

[tawny thicket]

does that matter to performance?

[uneven portal]

https://imgur.com/a/L8EEJkP It has its disadvantages that nobody talks about, like everything in Unreal. People get excited until they try it themselves.

[tawny thicket]

that image doesnt reveal anything...

and it also doesnt compare it to regular lumen

[uneven portal]

Tell me why in the MegaLights demo the character's legs are not visible, as a hint.

https://imgur.com/a/uIYGdYT

[tawny thicket]

sooo thats from the megalights demo uploaded by epic games on youtube?

[uneven portal]

https://youtu.be/vpv3USzqOb8?t=160

[tawny thicket]

ah

[uneven portal]

If you want to implement it in a game with a lot of movement, like S.T.A.L.K.E.R., there is quite a bit of information discussing the complexity of its implementation. Apart from updating the engine.

[coral token]

Ah well

[uneven portal]

Unreal's new feature "MegaLights" is fully reliant on TAA to work at all, and by default uses the previous 12 frames to smooth itself out. Even in a best-case scenario

[tawny thicket]

not surprising

[uneven portal]

it doesn't fix anything in that case. You’ll improve performance at the cost of more ghosting, which honestly, I’d rather play without lighting.

[tawny thicket]

higly disagree about the ghosting part.... but i get that some people just cant tolerate that

i would be quite happy if UE could stop crashing for me.........

[uneven portal]

To be honest, we are not yet capable of using Lumen, and the price is so high that it doesn't make sense. Better graphic quality can be achieved with systems that have been with us for a decade, and even RTX does a better job.

Developers could step up and stop abusing Lumen; there's a reason we pay 60 euros.

[tawny thicket]

what do you mean by "RTX" thats just branding and doesnt make sense in this context

[uneven portal]

Well yes, but I'm sure you understand what I mean anyway, brhu.

[grizzled drift]

They have a new noise reduction algorithm , which I’m not sure that demo showcases.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BcmUZpdChhA&si=1Lyu5cHyuwE3rYeN

Skip to 9:00 minutes

@uneven portal @tawny thicket

[tawny thicket]

its just for reflections

[grizzled drift]

Okay?

[tawny thicket]

but it is cool

[grizzled drift]

Isn’t that the point lol so reflections and shadows aren’t as noisy like they are now

Unless I’m missing something here

[tawny thicket]

GI needs a new/better denoiser too

that has been the big problem with the denoiser

[grizzled drift]

Yeah

Like if you go into SIRCCA building in Stalker, the floors look like ants are crawling on them basically

Lmao idk why I said Tarkov 🤣

[tawny thicket]

that is from reflections and for that the new denoiser would of course help

[grizzled drift]

Yeah

[tawny thicket]

but that can already be fixed by : r.lumen.reflections.smoothbias=1 (in the engine.INI)

[lavish mason]

This is a new one, load up game. Compiling shaders screen loads up with a full bar instantly. Game hangs

Like, starts with 100 percent compiled

[grizzled drift]

Doesn’t that just make surfaces look super shiny

Pretty sure ColesyM said that

[plucky quail]

Yea i would not turn the noiser full up

[tawny thicket]

they get more shiny yes (the ones that get lumen reflections by default)... but it looks way better than vanilla IMO and also looks better than increasing the max roughness for lumen reflections

[grizzled drift]

Hmm yeah cause I was messing with maxroughnesstotrace

Instead of smoothbias

[tawny thicket]

though it does look less realistic

[plucky quail]

But mega light for Stalker would be good addition

[hollow kettle]

I woke up to a gift on steam from a friend. It was Hogwarts legacy. I installed and first thing I see is unreal engine logo…WHYYY ):

[tawny thicket]

in most scenes it wouldnt do anything

[tawny thicket]

wait that is on UE?

here is me ralizing it : https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=what+engine+is+hogwarts+legacy+using

[hollow kettle]

I would say thank goodness it isn’t 5 but I don’t think 4 is much better 🥲

[tawny thicket]

thats why it constantly crashed on my VEGA 3 laptop:)

hmmm im wondering

[hollow kettle]

Look up monster Hunter wilds beta gpu/cpu testing I can’t remember which YouTuber did it but dude it literally made monsters look like Minecraft or ps1 graphics when it ran out of vram lol

Dude Hogwarts legacy benchmark shows recommended settings for my system is low with dlss quality?? I have an i5-13600kf + 4060 desktop

[tawny thicket]

😂 still better than what UE 4 / UE5 does (when running on DX 12)

[hollow kettle]

Is this hogwarts game really that demanding? Low settings AND dlss quality recommended for me??

Recommended gpu is a 2060 no way I can only run low

[tawny thicket]

nah you can run at least high settings

[plucky quail]

Yea 144p

[tawny thicket]

and BTW both UE4 and 5 downgrade random textures when running in DX11 they only differ in this reegard when running DX12

[tawny thicket]

IDK about that

[sand nimbus]

Not at high textures

[tawny thicket]

maybe, i dont remember how much VRAM it uses

[sand nimbus]

Too much

[grizzled drift]

Yeah Hogwarts is pretty demanding tbh

[tawny thicket]

.

[hollow kettle]

Even at 1080p I shouldn’t run high textures?

[grizzled drift]

How much vram you have? 8GB?

[hollow kettle]

I have it on high with dlss quality so far the opening cutscene has maintained 165 fps which I capped it to.

Yeah I have a 4060 so 8gb

I’m not using frame gen

[grizzled drift]

Should be fine then, just keep an eye on vram

[hollow kettle]

I got to first controllable part and checked vram. 5.8gb right now

[uneven portal]

this will not be maintained I warn you

[hollow kettle]

I’m maintaining 120+ now

Probably will change once I get to populated areas or something. But as long as I get 60+ and game looks good I’m fine with it

First game I have ever played that has utilized less than 99% gpu & only 15-25% cpu

[uneven portal]

assuming that you are downgrading the graphics that won't last too long, especially in zalissia.

[grizzled drift]

He's playing Hogwarts Legacy

Not Stalker 2

[uneven portal]

aaa is ok then

[agile harbor]

This isn't a good thing, and indicating its being limited elsewhere. With this title, just inefficiency.

A GPU not at 100% load is performance being wasted.

If at 1080p, even last generation CPU's w/ DDR4 can hold back this game.

[hollow kettle]

It’s hovering around 99% but occasionally drops 90-95%. CPU hasn’t gone above 20% but most I have ever seen it go to is ~60% and that’s only in helldivers 2 & space marine 2

More often my cpu is 30-40% while gpu is 99%

[tawny thicket]

then its perfectly normal

[hollow kettle]

Well it drops more than I’d like. Not very consistent at all

[agile harbor]

Prepare for it. This game is not in a finished state performance wise.

[hollow kettle]

Oh this isn’t for stalker 2 my bad

This is hogwarts legacy

[agile harbor]

Ah. Well, having played that launch and fired it up again earlier this week, its miles improved.

Especially after adding Ultra Plus

[hollow kettle]

I was going to try to use Ray tracing since I am able to use ultra on cyberpunk (aside from path tracing) but idk if they have ever fixed it in hogwarts

[grizzled drift]

Yeah Hogwarts runs a lot better now

and yeah idk where people get this idea that 99% GPU usage is a bad thing?

Thats what you want lol.

[agile harbor]

Its a common misunderstanding. Don't even get me started on the word "bottleneck" and how misunderstood that is.

[grizzled drift]

Oh yeah I know lol

[hollow kettle]

Oh i wasn’t saying 99% usage is bad I was meaning the opposite lol I dont want less than 99%

[tawny thicket]

"i can't have a CPU bottleneck because my CPU usage is only 50%"

if you knew how many times i've heard this...................

[hollow kettle]

But in my case isn’t my gpu genuinely holding back my cpu? I plan to upgrade ram first then gpu sometime after 50 series releases. Hopefully

[agile harbor]

Yeah, just part of the massive misunderstanding

[tawny thicket]

i wouldnt be waiting for the 50 series

im 100% positive NVIDIA is going to price the 5060 at 350€ a card that will have 8GB of VRAM

[hollow kettle]

I’m not going to purchase 50 series. I was going to wait to see if better 40 series cards drop in price at all

I’d like to just have more than 8gb vram man

[tawny thicket]

and also AMD WHAT THE ACTUAL F*CK :

"Unfortunately, this support is supposedly absent on the Navi 44, a budget RDNA 4 die that will power lower-end RX 9000 GPUs. The Navi 44 misses the hardware encoders completely, which makes them unsuitable for content creation and streamers. This is similar to what AMD did with its budget RDNA 2 GPUs, such as the RX 6500 XT and RX 6400. However, the Navi 44 is supposedly powering GPUs that are rumored to cost up to $349. So, removing the hardware encoders doesn't look too consumer-friendly." WCCFtech

NO hardware encoders for low end RDNA 4? AMD WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING

i do hope that the people that "leaked" this are full of sh*t

[agile harbor]

where is this from. wccftech but a recent article?

[tawny thicket]

here is the full article : https://wccftech.com/amd-navi-48-gpu-to-bring-av1-b-frame-support/ (its recent)

[agile harbor]

I don't stay up with my AMD GPU core codenames. Which tier cards would be using Navi 44?

[tawny thicket]

NAVI 44 will be low end-mid RDNA 4

and NAVI 48 will be mid-high end

[agile harbor]

Yeah I'm just trying to figure out how low end.

Cause if we're talking like RX6400 level cards, meh

[tawny thicket]

some NAVI 44 cards will* cost 350€ (assuming the leaks are correct)

and they start at 130€

(€ = $)

[coral token]

How I wish to return to GPU prices of early 2010s

This lunacy that low end gpu is 300+ is absolutely wild

[grizzled drift]

Do people not understand that the economy changes? It's the same as you not being to buy a house or a car for the same prices they were in 1980.

Expecting prices to stay the same is delusion

[hard juniper]

good to see the crashes stopped for me

shame nothing really changed with performance though

[grizzled drift]

glad you got it fixed at least, no more crashes hopefully

[coral token]

Not even relatively same

[cosmic nacelle]

i keep getting drops down to like 5-10 fps -- is there anyway to fix this? the game runs fine otherwise around 80-100fps with my settings. it seems to get worse when close to people, which is really annoying.

[coral token]

Increase from 400 in 2012 to now is 150 on top and that's not globally that's in US alone

[coral token]

Do you see cpu and gpu utilisation

[coral token]

Not saying they should stay same

But honestly the fact that world now is worse than late 2000s is saying a lot

And late 2000s was after one of worst economic crashes

[flint spoke]

gpu price wise nvidia is just cashing in

until they have real competition it's going to be like this

[coral token]

It's literally is Nvidia just raising prices since like 10 series

[flint spoke]

yup $$$

[uneven portal]

amd is stupid asfk

I always had the confidence that they would learn and create good competition, but seeing the prices of GPUs from both AMD and NVIDIA and what they actually offer, I think we’re all screwed.

[coral token]

And now AMD is following it as well

[glass vault]

Sounds like more people are joining the GPU market arm has plans to make GPUs as well. Gonna be nice having more than 2 companies that are viable

[coral token]

Now there's 3 already and ARM already is making mobile phone GPUs so why not join Desktop and laptop segment

It seems like the old just Intel and AMD in CPUs is coming to end as well thanks to ARM and there's also eventually coming Quantum computers which will destroy current technologies

[glass vault]

Quantum computers is not going to be for consumers for at least another decade or two

[coral token]

But when it comes it will destroy standard computing

[hard juniper]

i was gonna say it'll take way longer to reach consumers but i'd have said the same in the past too, and look where we are now

[coral token]

Even with current qubits quantum computers already dominate in limited amounts that exist basic computation

[glass vault]

Honestly depends on how it is used. I see how it can be used for data centers but for consumers I feel like it will be alot longer just because of people learning how to create programs for it.

[coral token]

What I do know of it it's mostly going to work as standard computer but with far advanced kind of far efficient logical cores

[glass vault]

They do multiple calculations at once and find the fastest route. It would be good in training AI not sure about gaming tho

[coral token]

Everything on even current computers does that

But your cpu does one instruction per clock

Quantum cpu does multiple

[glass vault]

Yeah that's the difference. Also not sure if finding those routes would benefit gaming. Can see how it would help with processes like dlss or frame gen

[coral token]

The fact it has far more pipelines of operations is why it will put tradition pc in spot where 1950s computers are compared to now

Most likely in quantum computer you don't even need separate GPU etc. At most maybe ram and storage and power supply

Not sure exactly full capabilities of a qubit

[glass vault]

It will most likely require a redo in how we program games

[coral token]

Not even physicists who work on them fully know all yet

[glass vault]

Pretty sure GPUs will always exist. Just better to have dedicated hardware for graphics it just might use the same tech

[coral token]

But what they do know is that quantum computer can do far more than traditional computer

[glass vault]

The limited factor is still how they need to be chilled to work effectively

If we find a way to make them more compact or not need to be chilled it will most likely be adopted into consumer. But otherwise it most likely won't be as successful as desktops were just because of size

[coral token]

Well that's the problem we currently have but considering we already do close to 0K overclocks

[grizzled drift]

Yeah I hear you, I don't think the prices are great either for the record, but it is what it is.
People say vote with your wallet, which I mean sure, but there's plenty of people who will buy the shit anyway.

[glass vault]

People don't always buy best bang for buck apple as an example. Its the sad reality

[grizzled drift]

Yeah my point pretty much

[nova pewter]

I5 12400f, AS Rock Z690 Extreme Wifi, RTX 2080 (Upgrading to 3080 next month), 500gb M.2, 1.5TB SSD Storage, 2.5TB HDD Storage

[coral token]

That vote with your wallet mentality nowadays doesn't work because too many useful [insert] consumers

[grizzled drift]

Yeah I agree it doesn't work either

[coral token]

Good example is how scalpers profited during covid

[grizzled drift]

yeah that was something

[coral token]

But nowadays economics are a dumpster fire tbh

[grizzled drift]

I remember a friend bought a 3070 I think for like $1,000+ or something crazy I can't remember

[coral token]

That was common price tbh

Some bought for even more

[grizzled drift]

Yeah I feel like I remember seeing them go for around 1200-1300

[coral token]

Honestly I'd slap your friend to wake up in Chornobyl for that stupidity

[grizzled drift]

Bro ikr

[glass vault]

I feel COVID was the reason price increases became so bad because It proved the amount people will pay for the newest generation

[coral token]

Because your friend is reason GPU prices are what they are

[grizzled drift]

I was chillin with a 6700k and GTX 970 at the time and waited to upgrade

Now I have a 7800x3D and 4090 lol

[coral token]

I just waited for next generation to drop to get a good GPU of last gen lmao

[grizzled drift]

Yeap, thats smart too

[coral token]

Honestly only GPU I'd overpay and should have gotten was EVGA Kingpin 3090

[grizzled drift]

Rip EVGA

[coral token]

And not even use it

[grizzled drift]

I think Kingpin is working with PNY now

[coral token]

Kingpin is coming back tho

Yep

[uneven portal]

Rip best one

[grizzled drift]

Yeah people were way too desperate for literally no reason

[glass vault]

Evga designs for the 10 series we so good

[grizzled drift]

everyone could've waited like 2 more years and we all would've been fine imo

[coral token]

EVGA designs always have been great and they were making arguably best Nvidia GPUs while also having really good customer record

[glass vault]

Their 20 series looked meh but also good customer support

[coral token]

30 series kingpin man that card is looking great imho

[uneven portal]

they were the best, all my graphics were evga, because it was synonymous of quality price, they didn't tease you and their warranty was very good.

[coral token]

I'm mostly performance per $ person but still love EVGA

On their now old GPU market

I mean I can't say anything bad about Corsair really besides one failed AIO

And I didn't even care I tossed it and got massive chunk of air cooler

Corsair keyboards mice and headsets not the best but their customer support is top tier now if you get their PSUs man that side is top tier

My HX1200i is old and still has warranty lol

[uneven portal]

I had the 1 fan model of the 2060 and had temperatures hovering around 67 at high use, crazy.

[coral token]

That's impressive ngl

I mean my gpu doesn't hit over 60c at 99% util on stalker 2 lmao

[tawny thicket]

.

[coral token]

I mean I liked that GTA V showed how much VRAM your settings will use

Wish that was industry standard with video games

[uneven portal]

I would like nvidia to release this great solution they had related to vram usage and texture compression, I still don't see it.

[tawny thicket]

who wouldnt?

[flat brook]

Even GTA 4 did, late 2000s

[coral token]

I wish Nvidia would stop gimping their GPUs just because they are ahead

I'm all for raw performance lmao

Might actually make sense to buy their overpriced GPUs if they actually truly pushed boundaries not gimping vram and bus size

[coral token]

Never really played 4 I was mostly on 3 VC and SA and then 5

And before that on the top down ones

Around time 4 was out I was busy in S.T.A.L.K.E.R

[coral token]

What is this poll lmao

[tawny thicket]

what?

[tawny thicket]

i think ive flip floped like 10x here

[coral token]

https://www.nexusmods.com/readyornot/mods/1953

My answer tbh

[tawny thicket]

i thought it was like a mod that lets you use actual DLSS

[coral token]

You can tbh

[tawny thicket]

HOW tell me how

(IK that in a couple weeks we are gonna have FSR 4)

[coral token]

(Thus I forked the project and also included an injector to disable Nvidia RTX GPU checking to make DLSS option available for any GPUs including Intel onboard GPUs LMAO.)

[wintry needle]

wait what!?

[tawny thicket]

thats still not actual DLSS

[tawny thicket]

well that was assuming AMD launches it at CES but i am 100% postive they will announce it there and that it will launch with RDNA 4

[tawny thicket]

i figured out why TSR looked that bad

i had r.TSR.History.GrandReprojection set to 1

[raw sleet]

all upscalers suck; if devs (in general) would optimize their damn games better and Nvidia / AMD would focus on raster instead of gimmicks; we'd all be in a better place

[tawny thicket]

to be honest its only really been NVIDIA comming up with "gimicks"

[raw sleet]

and since they are the "industry leader" guess what everyone else does?.. they're all at fault

[wintry needle]

...and then AMD is forced to follow or else they'll be considered "left behind" and "outdated"

[tawny thicket]

yeah but at least they let everyone use it

[raw sleet]

not even sure why nvidia keeps making gaming GPU's at this point anyway.. spiting AMD / Intel? They make more money on AI than the Fed can even print

[tawny thicket]

its brand recognition

[wintry needle]

I just gotta love the dynamic though...
NV invents G-Sync that only works with their gear --- AMD is like "I'll make that but it will work for everyone 😆 "
NV invents upscaling --- AMD is like "I'll make that but it will work for everyone 😆 "

I wonder what's next 😛

[raw sleet]

who needs brand recog when you've got single big companies like Broadcom about to build multiple 1mm GPU AI superclusters

[raw sleet]

You forgot PhysX lol

[tawny thicket]

........
NV invents FG --- AMD is like "I'll make that but it will work for everyone 😆 because we are sooo consumer first:) "

[raw sleet]

still remember when they were pushing sales of actual PhysX add-in boards.. then they migrated the work to their GPU's after

[tawny thicket]

and gameworks

NVIIIIIIIDIA : you want nice hair animations??? and you have an AMD card?? well guess what you can*!!!! .
at the cost of all your performance:) so you better.
sck it up kid and get a new and shiny GTX card so you can finally have good hair animations🙂😀😃😄

[raw sleet]

this kind of crap has been going on with technology in general forever though; the big corpos milk this stuff out a bit at a time to recoup and profit.. meanwhile Nvidia for example is probably 2 gens ahead of the upcoming 5xxx series in engineering

[wintry needle]

don't need to look far, just check out Intel.... held back progress and coasted purely on reputation for AGES

[raw sleet]

yeah, Intel was such a letdown after we broke the 1ghz barrier (i had hoped they were gonna keep pushing but then came the f'n cores)

[wintry needle]

I personally know at least one guy who can not even entertain the thought of buying anything else than Intel, no matter how cut back it is

in fairness they probably reached the point of diminishing returns 👀 further GHz comes at a price of lots of heat and power usage

the cores were a good idea IMO, it just took some time for the OS'es to catch up, and more importantly, games to catch up and start using them

we were firmly in the ages of 4-core CPUs when we still had single-threaded games released

[raw sleet]

might have gotten us to optoelectrics sooner.. PCIE gen 7 is rumored to be the first to use the tech, several years from now

[wintry needle]

might have, but then, how will they milk the current tech for all its worth? 😉

they exhausted the multicore path, now they're on the hybrid cores path, we have to wait until they exhaust this too 😦

[tawny thicket]

tbh intel objectivly had better products until RYZEN

[wintry needle]

they did
and when ryzen landed, they had no answer ready for it 👀

[grizzled drift]

None of these companies care about any single one of you.

[tawny thicket]

i can to:)

[grizzled drift]

You'll die and be replaced by the next person to buy their products.

[wintry needle]

yes sir we know that - can we have our laments still please? 😄

[grizzled drift]

No

[raw sleet]

"the beatings will continue until morale improves"

[grizzled drift]

I'm just being cynical, the conversations are fun

[wintry needle]

this is the only game in town so we are forced to play it, but we don't have to like it too

[tawny thicket]

i just remembered this : "E cores = cinebench accelerators" some guy at some point

[fluid wagon]

xess is dependent on Intel tech, but i have never and will never use TSR because theres absolutely 0 reason to

[tawny thicket]

these uhhh exist

[fluid wagon]

DLSS is better than FSR but its more memory intensive and dependent on nvidia

[tawny thicket]

ooohhhhhh dont worry... they will add AI memory compression and gatekeep it to Blackwell

[wintry needle]

...for $2500

[tawny thicket]

😂🤣😂🤣😂

[wintry needle]

NV would very much like to position itself as the Apple of the gaming world IMO

[tawny thicket]

they already are

[wintry needle]

ya I think you're right actually

[flat brook]

We can give them crap for pricing, but they are essentially at the top

[wintry needle]

they already have the fanbase of "enthusiasts" who don't really care how badly they are getting fvcked, they will line up to buy the latest with AI memory compression for $2500
they don't even grumble about the price, they see it as a badge of honor

I knew an old fella who had a great observation: "As long as there will be horseshit, there will be sparrows" 🙂

NV has these eye watering asking prices because they can

there's millions of gamers who only buy nvidia no matter what

[tawny thicket]

absolutely

[hard juniper]

fsr 4 already would be nuts

[sand nimbus]

No not really, amd tech is meh

Nvidia knows what its doing , especially AI. Thats why its so big in gaming especially now

Dlss4 will be available for 40 series, btw

[tawny thicket]

how would you know that?

[sand nimbus]

I have insider

[tawny thicket]

sure

[muted patio]

Hi, I'm seeking any help here for problem on my Stalker 2 gameplay
my gameplay just stuttering lag sometimes and became a problem when I can't even change weapons or healing when there's literally a Bloodsucker harrasing me outta nowhere
also stuttering exist when going to population place like Rostok

[sand nimbus]

Lol you dont need to believe me. But i know whats true and what isnt

[tawny thicket]

so the stuttering only happens in populated areas/settlements?

[tawny thicket]

i just dont have faith in NVIDIA to not gatekeep DLSS 4 like they did with FG

[tawny thicket]

it has to be good. and but i dont have faith in AMD to not gatekeep it from the 7000 series

[west ibex]

Hey

https://nissei.com/py/informatica/notebooks/notebook-hp-14-fq1035cl-14-amd-ryzen-7-5700u-16-gb-ddr4-512-ssd-touch-negro

Does this laptop can handle stalker 2?

[tawny thicket]

thats a thats a no

maybe at like crazy low settings with crazy aggressive upscaling

[west ibex]

I mean, is not Bad but for run a Game like stalker 2 would be a mess?

[tawny thicket]

yes

even the strongest iGPUs struggle in this game

[west ibex]

Can at least handle payday 2 on max settings?

[tawny thicket]

im not sure

[tawny thicket]

looked at some testing (note: the 5600 G W VEGA 7 is the most important as its the closest to the 5700 U ) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k23_osVmXCU

[tawny thicket]

to get a decent/playable experiance your looking at an RX 6600~ for GPU and an R5 5600 + 16Gb of RAM at least

[opal lion]

does anyone know what fixes this crash? LowLevelFatalError [File:D:\STALKER2\s2editor\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Util.cpp] [Line: 880] CurrentQueue.Device->GetDevice()->GetDeviceRemovedReason() failed at D:\STALKER2\s2editor\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Submission.cpp:910 with error DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_REMOVED

[tawny thicket]

⬆️ #VoteNow

[tawny thicket]

⬆️ #Vote

[tawny thicket]

what specs?

[opal lion]

I9 12900k 32gb of ram and a 3080ti

It consistently crashes every hour 30 - hour 40 minutes.

[tawny thicket]

looking up the bug says possible causes are (unreal engine documentation) :
-Content errors
-GPU driver bugs
-Hardware problems, such as an overheating GPU
-VRAM exhaustion. Video memory is virtualized in Windows, so it is possible to allocate much more than what is available on the GPU
-Crashes from other apps

[opal lion]

Yeah no easy fix…. I hope to troubleshoot more with my IT friend this weekend.

[tawny thicket]

it is possible that your GPU is overheating-try monitoring GPU temps

[opal lion]

I’ll try, no second monitor. I wouldn’t be surprised if some power saving function wasn’t allowing fans to spin up properly. Who knows.

[tawny thicket]

you can use the NVIDIA overlay

[opal lion]

But games like cyberpunk run fine with no overheats… anyway thank you for giving me some ideas. Time to go to bed.

[tawny thicket]

well good night!

[fleet wraith]

I'd do a clean driver install and then monitor temps as well

That's a graphic card failing message

If it starts happening outside stalker I'd probably reseat the card too

[muted patio]

yes, like when I enter Slag Heap on Garbage, the stuttering increasing worse than going outside

[tawny thicket]

what specs?

[muted patio]

I know my pc specs are bare minimum, but really I just set it to Medium

Here's my pc spec:

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 TI
Ryzen 7 3700X 8-Core
16GB RAM

Windows 10

[tawny thicket]

its above the minimum by 24%(the GPU) but the VRAM is rough...
this game loves to eat more than 6Gb and so the stuttering is because the game starts swapping VRAM into system RAM

the best you can do is to try and reduce VRAM usage/requirement by lowering settings or installing a few tweaks
But even if you do that you will still get some stuttering because of the UE 5 is

[agile cipher]

im amazed the game can run on your PC

[muted patio]

I just read the minimum game's spec on Steam and it's says 16GB
really two things that my pc need an upgrades: RAM and GPU

[hearty pollen]

16GB is tight for this game. With a normal amouny of programs and whatnot.

[sand nimbus]

What kind of stupid question is this. We all know DLSS is the best. nvidias AI marketshare is higher than The entire share of intel and Amd COMBINED.

[uneven portal]

It really depends on the game most of the time, because DLSS only looks better than FSR in games that heavily rely on TAA. Otherwise, the result it delivers (in terms of quality, not performance) is practically the same. Just to let you know, I have a 4080/4070 Ti and an RX 6700.

People always focus on static images, but they should play it themselves and see how ghosting really affects the experience.

[sand nimbus]

Absolutely