pc-specs

[inner aspen]

i uninstall and re install the game, just to try

close it via steam, or the task manager?

[hollow kettle]

I just pause in game and click quit game

[inner aspen]

i been trying for the last 4hs and nothing, try to close it in steam, task manager, delete my cache, everything

[hollow kettle]

Your game won’t close or won’t open?

[inner aspen]

but i cant even go beyond the rendering shaders

wont open, just stuck in the rendering shaders title

[hollow kettle]

Oh sorry I haven’t ever encountered that issue. I think someone in here sent a message about that earlier tho

@inner aspen is this the issue you’re encountering?

[inner aspen]

im gonna try this, if this works, dude, im gonna love you and the op with the solution

now im re dowloading the game

[hollow kettle]

Hopefully it helps you

[inner pawn]

Hi! Dunno if it works but have you tried increasing shader cache allocation in video card settings? It is i think 400mb by default and try increasing it to 10gb

[hollow kettle]

So if cpu-z says 16gb ddr5 channels # 2x32-bit what does that mean

[agile harbor]

To clarify, you just have one physical memory stick, correct? What they did with DDR5 is make each memory channel into two half channels which gave some scheduling benefits as they can give two memory commands at the same time. If you just have one physical stick, CPUZ may still say dual channel at least old versions of it used to when DDR5 was new. You still need two physical sticks for proper dual channel operation. Given that this is a DDR5 yourre severely performance compromised with only one stick.

At least you didn’t buy an 8GB stick, those are truly terrible this generation and should be completely avoided

[hollow kettle]

Well I got a prebuilt if I had choice I wouldn’t have got any of the parts that are in this. Although it is a decent pc at least I have zero complaints. Perfect for my needs

Idk what performance I am missing out on by only have 1 ram stick but things seem to be running good so far. Only had this pc a few weeks

[agile harbor]

Yeah, like with anything if it’s all you know, it’s as good as it can possibly be

But the truth of the matter is things can be significantly better. What speed is the single stick running at in the first place?

[hollow kettle]

Well it is a whole lot better than the old western digital hdd I was just using to game on

[agile harbor]

A game like this definitely has serious memory bandwidth sensitivity. Your 1% lows are probably much lower than they need to be.

[hollow kettle]

No idea tbh. It was advertised as ddr5 5200 mt/s

[agile harbor]

Ugh, 5200 in single channel. What CPU is this?

[hollow kettle]

I5-13600kf

And a 4060

[agile harbor]

That poor thing lol, starving from memory bandwidth. As long as it works for you.

Prebuilt companies absolutely suck for doing this to people who don’t know any better

[hollow kettle]

Can’t do anything about it now I already spent all my money on it

[agile harbor]

Well, not from them, but of course you can fix it with some more money

Anyway, gotta run. Good luck.

[hollow kettle]

Lol Thanks

[slim nova]

Does your game also crash from time to time after the last patch?

[hollow kettle]

Haven’t played in a couple days idk when latest patch was. Havent had any crashes ever tho

[slim nova]

it started around the last Hotfix 1.1.2

Various error codes. Earlier some shadow error, so I cleared the shader cache. Now some game engine error

I used to play long sessions (about 6h) and I had no problem. Now sometimes I play 20min - crash, sometimes 2h - crash. I didn't change anything in the configuration, I didn't change anything in the software, the only thing that changed was this damn Hotfix

[spice timber]

Yeah, shader compilation doesn`t even complete itself for me to see the game. Tried everything and and still not working

[azure ore]

is it possible to get 144hz without frame gen

[sour nacelle]

with like a 4080 super/4090 probably

I can hit 90-110 with DLSS quality, 1440p, high/epic settings without framegen with a 4070

[hard juniper]

in the middle of nowhere yeah but you need high end specs

i sometimes get near it with a 4080 super at 1440p

[azure ore]

i have a 4070 r7 5800x3d

32 gb ram 3600mhz

[candid oriole]

Started for me as well after the big patch came out, been playing over 100hours with 0 problems on performance, a part for some S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Anomalies Now i can't even complete the shader part , i've reset the shader cache on AMD adrenaline, but didn't really help .

The only way to get the game to the main screen is forcing restart 3 times while getting stuck on shader compilation, after the 3rd or 4th time the shader is complete and the game can be played ... untill you start sorting your safe box or upgrading gear at the mechanic.

Game runs on epic 2K , no mods, nothing changed averages 100fps

Noticed excessive RAM use while in safe box or mechanic , game peeks at 99% usage , i have 32gb duel channel, running at 3600mhz , 7900XT 20GB . had NO issues before the patch . hope they will fix it soon

[slim nova]

Wht i do - clear instal last Nvidia driver (DDU), uninstal whole game and files, instal again (download from Steam), take off UV on GPU.... and so far so good. For the first time after Hotfix shader compilation runs smooth like hell with no problem. So far everthink works good. I will update if something goes wrong

@candid oriole do you have UV on CPU? Shader compilation is very stresfull for CPU even my 14900K runs allmost on 95% and 82*C on all cores when first shader compilation runs

[analog gull]

i had the same issue, stalker. You need to end task via task manager and restart the game. Repeat these 4-7 times. I hope the developers will fix this soon
btw. i have the same gpu 😄

[candid oriole]

Did a fresh install , updated GPU drivers , still the same .
By UV you mean flashing lights ?

[candid oriole]

Exactly what im doing , it used to be less than 30 sec and i could start loading a game , now it's restart after restart like a Sedrovich roulette

[spice timber]

Game was at least running fine before in 1.0.3 even if it was crashing every 10 minutes. Now, it is just stuck

[slim nova]

Undervolt - do you Undervolting your CPU?

[candid oriole]

no , never had any issues , Ryzen 5 5600X

[hazy crystal]

Can someone with something similar to a 3080 + i5-13600k tell me what settings youre running

[tired turret]

R5 5600x 3080 ti high / mid... Full low don't go more than 54 FPS(even in high)

1440p

[prime sinew]

anyone knows why after 1.1.2 i can't load any saves ?

[fleet lantern]

putting this here to incase it helps someone - somehow I just managed to stumble across a fix that has completely radically changed the feel and performance of the game. it feels buttery smooth and the solution was limiting fps via RTSS and NOT nvidia control panel and using nvidia control panel to force v sync to fast. the combination of GSYNC plus frame gen + FAST VSYNC has made the game feel like CSGO. Im in shock. been stuffing around for weeks

[rare temple]

Have you tried adding the r.ShaderPipelineCache.PreOptimzeEnabled to your engine.ini file? The r.ShaderPipelineCache.PreOptimzeEnabled set to 0 turns off shader pre-optimization compiling and instead enforces full compilation from what I read in the UE5 documentation for that setting. This is different from the WarmupMaterials setting (which I have commented out below in my engine.ini file) which bypasses shader compilation altogether.

[SystemSettings] r.ShaderPipelineCache.PreOptimizeEnabled=0 ;0 disables preoptimization compiling, 1 enables it ; r.PSOWarmup.WarmupMaterials=1 ;0 disables shader compilation, 1 enables it
I know in nVidia Control Panel, we can set the shader cache size manually and some have suggested boosting that to 10gb. I'm not familiar with AMD GPUs and if there is a similar setting you can set, but if you know of such a setting, I would suggest trying that as well in addition to what I have above.

[slim nova]

Nothing new, really. I've been using RTSS for years to limit frames. There's a ton of info on YT that RTSS is better than Nvidia control panel. A lot of people forget that G-Sync/FreeSync has to work with Vsync, otherwise there's no synchronization. Gsync/FreeSync has a range it works in (e.g. 40Hz-144Hz) and when it exceeds these numbers it will simply turn off, which is why you use an FPS limiter set to 2/3 FPS below the max refresh

On the other hand, it is worth locking frames at 99% FPS. For example, if your average FPS is 100, set the limiter to get the most stable Frame Time

[hasty dock]

U skip the intro thingies?

[slim nova]

you also need to remember that Frame Generator automatically turns on Vsync, which increases input lag. To reduce this, it is worth turning on Gsync/Freesync + low latency mode

[eager bronze]

was there any update tonight? My game was working just well until today's morning, now its stuck on compiling shaders. its not freezed, more like loading with no progress

[tawny thicket]

to get 144hz you would probably need a 9800X3D

[azure ore]

im not upgrading for one game

[worn tapir]

I wish there are will hotfix before NY

[tawny thicket]

you shouldnt

[azure ore]

the devs will hopefully fix the issues

[spice timber]

Used the shader skipping mod and playing right now for about an hour without any crashes

[worn tapir]

Deleting game config and settings helps to unstuck compiling?

[spice timber]

No. Use the shader skipping mod. I did everything I could but the problem is not on the users. It is because of the patch. Wait for the 1.1.3 patch or download this mod and place it in the Stalker 2 Heart of Chornobyl\Stalker2\Content\Paks destination https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/97

[hollow yacht]

will there be a fix for the sudden fps drops?

[tawny thicket]

like down to 5fps for extended periods of time?

[hollow yacht]

Yes. From stable 60+ fps right down to single digits.

[tawny thicket]

what GPU? if its an 8gb part or lower then you have to reduce VRAM usage (somehow)

[hollow yacht]

3060 6gb

[tawny thicket]

OH

R.I.P.

[hollow yacht]

I'm aware that this is due to a memory leak. Which the devs said they are gonna fix...it's been many patches since then. But still nothing

[tawny thicket]

what settings are you at? and i'm not sure that it is a memory leak in your case

6gb is just not enough for this game IMO

[hollow yacht]

I've tried low and medium for everything. Also tried engine inis.

[hollow yacht]

I mean the game runs 60+ fps in a region but somehow goes right down to 5 fps in the same area with the same settings. This does seem like an optimisation issue

Disabling lumen helps but the game looks ugly that way

[tawny thicket]

can you check your VRAM usage? (the nvidia app / geforce experiance should have an overlay for that)

also do you have FS FG enabled ?

[agile harbor]

Normally its worth monitoring VRAM usage directly while playing and taking note of where it is when you start playing and when the FPS drops, however with only 6GB you're likely maxing it out all the time.

[hollow yacht]

Tried both on and off. No improvements. Keeping frame gen on just introduces the input lag which is even more nasty for me

[tawny thicket]

try this engine.INI: http://pastie.org/p/3D0UZJrxKdsFyOHN4E1xnc

once you have checked what your VRAM usage is

just updated to 1.1 and the shader comp got stuck (i'm on AMD)

[high quarry]

It gets stuck ever since 1.1, 1.1.1 and 1.1.2 didnt fix it.

[tawny thicket]

is there a fix?

[high quarry]

@rare temple suggested this, which seems to help a bit:

r.ShaderPipelineCache.PreOptimizeEnabled=0```

[tawny thicket]

ok,i'll try that

[hollow yacht]

Ok I checked the vram usage a bit. I did not experience fps drops this time(because its random. sometimes after a few minutes sometimes after a few hours). The usage stays at 80-95 percent and occasionally goes up to 99-100 percent.

Im gonna try the engine.ini now

[tawny thicket]

"The usage stays at 80-95 percent and occasionally goes up to 99-100 percent." are you sure that isnt GPU usage? that you were looking at. (VRAM and GPU usage is not the same)it might just be that the nvidia overlay gives percentage's ( i dont know if it is so because i'm on AMD)

[hollow yacht]

yes its the percentage for the gpu memory usage. The vram. Its gpu memory right? I used msi afterburner

[tawny thicket]

"The vram. Its gpu memory right?" yes

ps: for me MSI afterburner shows VRAM as a number. a number of Mb's

like in the shader compile screen it says : 3411Mb dGPU/overall usage:2251Mb

[hollow yacht]

Oh right. Yea that's like 5k + mb of vram usage it was showing

[tawny thicket]

yeah i think that you are right on the edge of running out of VRAM

[hollow yacht]

Looks like it

[grizzled drift]

You’re running out of VRAM Buffer hence the frame drop

[hollow yacht]

And the engine ini you have. It's stuck on compiling shaders

[grizzled drift]

Tons of videos on it you can find

[hollow yacht]

One can stay in denial for so long...

[grizzled drift]

Huh

[tawny thicket]

so even a tiny increse in VRAM usage can get UE 5 to start running in "safe mod" which swaps into RAM in an extremly stupid way

[high quarry]

On very low settings, with nanite nerfed a lot, Zalissya sits at 5.5GB for me.

[hollow yacht]

and like i said. The frame drop almost dissapears completely if i disable lumen. But game looks ugly

[high quarry]

You can turn nanite off too, but the proxy meshes with LOD bias will get mutiated and you will have z-fighting etc

[tawny thicket]

it might be because i used the now outdated *version of S2 settings generator (made by @high quarry ) for that

i pinned the wrong comment

[tawny thicket]

i was meant to pin this one

[grizzled drift]

https://youtu.be/Gd1pzPgLlIY?si=bp7kofLuy2iMyYYG - just gonna leave this here

[high quarry]

Try this one:

https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/b878299dfc95b28eb47ebe7ad54f39a1

This gets me 180-230fps at 1080p FSR Q in Zalissya, while still maintaining most of the visuals

[tawny thicket]

deleted my engine.INI file and it is a lot faster now

[grizzled drift]

Also leaving this here - https://youtu.be/g03qYhzifd4?si=uH5xLBNZwBUqJZKG

[tawny thicket]

finally finished the shader comp

and why does every AA feel like someone dumped 10kilos of vasekine on my screen

[high quarry]

any temporal AA will do that.

Its why I have started using 0.9 FSR sharpening

[grizzled drift]

https://youtu.be/K3ZHzJ_bhaI?si=eLRnbU8JJ4C8oW4C

[tawny thicket]

but it wasnt like this before 1.1

[agile harbor]

It becomes less of a concern with resolutions higher than 1080p

[lost summit]

Are yours shaders loading in 3 work days starting from friday guys?

[high quarry]

No, they just get stuck sometimes, needing game re-launch.

[lost summit]

Every time i need like 10 minutes minimum to load it

[tawny thicket]

i think this is unrelated

[agile harbor]

This is actually an entirely different problem

[lost summit]

after update of course

[agile harbor]

basically what this channel has become dedicated towards discussing since 1.1

[grizzled drift]

Ah my bad, swore he talked about games looking like Vaseline was slapped over your eyes

[high quarry]

I actually deleted every shader cache file in safe mode and timed a full shader compile, 7m15s (but this is with custom engine.ini)

[tawny thicket]

he did say stuff like that just in relation to *actual ray tracing and not AA

[grizzled drift]

Apologies

[tawny thicket]

no problem

[high quarry]

This is upscaled with FSR Sharpening 0.9, click to zoom actual 1440 to see detail: https://i.imgur.com/CqhPv54.jpeg

[tawny thicket]

just finished my first benchmark pass i get +10fps in zallishya

[high quarry]

It's noisy of course, because its upscaled, but I couldn't say it was blurry/like vaseline.

[tawny thicket]

i'm at 1080p

[high quarry]

1080 upscaled?

[tawny thicket]

though i think the reason it looks so much worse is because i deleted my engine.INI file that had the FSR edits

so i'm gonna put those back in to hopefully fix it

[uneven portal]

considering the problem the game has with ghosting and rescaling not a bit meh to show a screenshot ?

[high quarry]

FSR sharpening becomes a bit too much the lower res you go, this is 0.9 at 1080p FSR Q

https://i.imgur.com/Rq7o0PV.jpeg

[high quarry]

Ghosting is a problem, but more of an issue with particles/gun laser etc that static stuff which is velocities properly written

[uneven portal]

I wonder if there is a way to solve the imput lag without using the mods?

[agile harbor]

Depends what you consider to be a mod. Solved for me (while running FG) by Reflex+Input.ini tweaks.

[uneven portal]

if an .ini solves it without giving me problems, I'll take it.

[high quarry]

@tawny thicket I would say r.FidelityFX.FSR3.Sharpness=0.4 works well, looking at the clothing textures and metal fence in bg:

https://i.imgur.com/KSHbBzY.jpeg

[uneven portal]

so far I only found settings for sensitivity and nothing really related to solve high ms

[high quarry]

but then at 1440, 0.9 is fine too, because theres so much more baseline detail: https://i.imgur.com/Qb1QUZB.jpeg

[agile harbor]

TBH the tweaks I did were early on to remove acceleration and enable hardware mouse input. I don't know if they're still necessary.

[high quarry]

This shot shows more of a mix of edges, grass, shadows, and cross pattern fencing.
I think FSR does fairly well there for 67% render scale
https://i.imgur.com/r2lG3cO.jpeg

[tawny thicket]

i'm gonna try 0.1 sharpness and the tweaks for FSR in your settings generator

i hope it looks better🤞

[high quarry]

Get the latest version, adds all teh stuff with checkbox, and the velocity write setting

[tawny thicket]

already did that

[high quarry]

and the experimental denoiser

0.1 is a bit weak for me
If you arent a fan of oversharp, I would try 0.25 for 1080 and 0.6 for 1440

[tawny thicket]

yeah,when i downloaded the optimized tweaks mod (for testing) i deleted that part of it becasue i knew what it does to screen space reflections when its set to 0 (false) from what it looks like in satisfactory

i also dont know why its called "experimental"

[tawny thicket]

i'm gonna try 0.1 first

and 1440 is out of the question for me

and i'm gonna disable the shader warmup thing

and now i crashed

YAY🥳

[lament rampart]

Mine goes up yo 97°C
GPU goes 80 or smth
I get a stable 45-60 fps, sometimes 30
All high graphics, no dlss
My poor 3070 is suffering

[tawny thicket]

TWICE

🥳

TRHICE

ok,i'm gonna restart then if that dont work reset the shader cache

and if that dont work.................

the restart fixed it!!

the tweaked FSR definatly looks better

still doesnt look as good as before. but its probably from being on different settings in the INI

[candid oriole]

I couldn't find the engine.ini file

On the official site support, they refer to the problem " Shader compilation takes too long - what should I do? "
for AMD https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/faqs/DH-012.html#DH-012-Shader
for NVIDIA https://www.nvidia.com/content/Control-Panel-Help/vLatest/en-us/mergedProjects/nv3d/Manage_3D_Settings_(reference).htm

however these settings are for the OLD drivers , on adrenaline drivers 24.12.1 the only option is to " clear cache " which i tried and didn't really help.

After multiple restarts as soon as the shader was complete , i switched from Full screen exclusive to > Full screen boardless since you all talked about refresh and Vsync i use Samsung 34 inc G5 monitor and figured it will render multiple windows at once as i needed to open Task manager to see in real time what is the memory usage , and to my surprise the next restart was lower than 30 sec or shader compilation , Performance wise, boosting my fps to 130+ ! i kept the Epic settings and 3440*1440 resolution.

Played for 4 hours no problem, closed the game and reopened again less than 30 sec on shader , no problems so far ... must be an anomaly

[tawny thicket]

you have to create the engine.INI file, the game doesnt make 1 on its own

[candid oriole]

hope i don't need to , so far it runs great no problems thank you

[tawny thicket]

ps: i was going to fully update my benchmark results but now its a coin toss wether or not the shader compile works or not

so i'm not updating all my test results

[high quarry]

I love shots like this, because I can use them as desktop backgrounds: https://i.imgur.com/BFRS67O.png

[tawny thicket]

so that your retna doesnt burn when you use it at 3am

[flat brook]

Gonna be a really bad day when you run into that one non-dark mode application

[agile harbor]

my wallpaper is just black

just OLED things

[jade grotto]

you make one? I used a mod for it and it said to just paste it into my gamesetting file

[high quarry]

My current one is this: https://i.imgur.com/80SqrtS.png

[jade grotto]

if i need to make one then that may explain a few things lol

yeah. I just confirmed. it says to paste it in GameUserSettings.ini

[spare coral]

Both ways work apparently
You could also just download or make the engine.ini

[jade grotto]

well i have the engine.ini. I havent just tried to throw that in there since the insutrctions said to paste it in if it wasnt there

[agile harbor]

that's not what you do with it

[jade grotto]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/17 thats what this says to do

im super happy to be told otherwise and to fix it though if you got the time to show me

[agile harbor]

C:\Users%username%\AppData\Local\Stalker2\Saved\Config\Windows

[jade grotto]

yeah, no engine.ini, just the gamesettings file

[agile harbor]

by default there won't be one there, you create one using a tool, download one or make one from scratch and place it in the Windows folder

[jade grotto]

so i can just download the one from nexus and paste it in?

[agile harbor]

https://i.imgur.com/ulcRp31.png

[spare coral]

Yep

[jade grotto]

Alright i can do that instead. you guys are awesome. ty

another ?. with all the compiling issues is it safe to use the skip compiler mod atm?

[spare coral]

After you put a new engine.ini or change settings its better to not skip the compiling screen
After that you can try that mod

[jade grotto]

good to know then business as usual with the mod

[jade grotto]

think a ryzen 9 7900x3d and a 4070 should be able to pump out more then 100 fps on this game?

[agile harbor]

at 1440p with proper settings, sure

[jade grotto]

im at 2560x1440

think the diff between 1080 and 2560 matters?

[agile harbor]

greatly

but you're at 1440p, not 1080p

If you're using an Engine.ini file, start with DLSS Qualty + Frame Gen

See if DLSS Balanced improves things and doesn't take away too much from the image

[jade grotto]

yeah i have those on. sitting at like 90-100 with hdr and all that on

oh yeah. gave me like 10 extra

[high quarry]

resolution matters a LOT

[clever seal]

i dont know if it was the new update BUT i got another 16gb (now to 32 gb ) for my setup ( 4060ti 16gb i7 11700k ) and now the game runs amazing on high to epic with some optimisations minimal drops and stutters

[rare temple]

You need to at least let it compile once if you have never launched the game before, or after the game gets patched, or after you update your GPU drivers. I myself let it run every time, but I added this line to my engine.ini file and this seems to have cured the shader compile from hanging. I've included the section it needs to be in. Just add it into any existing entries in that section (if you have any), or else add the section and entry if the section doesn't exist.

[SystemSettings] r.ShaderPipelineCache.PreOptimizeEnabled=0

[high quarry]

Mine still hangs with that, its very intermittent.

[mild flume]

First of all, sorry about my english, its not my first language.

I noticed some interesting things. When disabling e-cores, all stutter is gone, while fps wise, dont see anything difference. Noticed, that if e-cores are on, game uses sometimes e-cores, and when it happens, stutter happens. So without e-cores fps is pretty much same, but stutter and fps-drops are gone🤔

All settings are epic, resolution 1440p,
And dlss settings are on dlaa

[tawny thicket]

scheduler freakout from the existence of cinebench accelerators

[high quarry]

We need Intel to start caring about gaming again..

[flat brook]

And that is exactly why I bar any games from using my E-cores with lasso

E-cores are for my background programs exclusively

[rare temple]

Well, either I, or you, jinxed it for me. 😉

It hung for me today using that setting. 😦

Oh well...

[opaque moat]

i wiped and reinstalled windows from scratch. stalker 2 runs so smooth when its the only game installed

[rare temple]

That's more because you re-installed Windows from scratch. Having other games installed is not going to affect performance (unless you have them running in the background.) 😄

[opaque moat]

well also depends how you have the nvidia control panel and profile inspector set up for certain games

can affect other games

[eager sandal]

Well this is LOTS of advice…

[steel canyon]

is there any solutions to get more fps in game, my pc is better than the recomended settings and i get 30 on high and 15 in any populated area

[unborn otter]

Kinda like putting in a new engine for a car

[opaque moat]

umm no....an engine with 5k on it runs better than brand new lol but i know what you mean......less clutter

[tawny thicket]

what are your specific specs?

and what res? (upscale setting included)

[steel canyon]

just one second

[high quarry]

hard to beleive its better than 3070 ti

[tawny thicket]

*3070 TIE

[quartz prism]

HELPPPP I KEEP CRASHING. I had mods installed before the update and now I can’t play my save, I cna play it for 5-15 seconds then my game crashes

[high quarry]

Stay between the lines, and dont yank the steering wheel.

[tawny thicket]

do you still have your mods installed?

[quartz prism]

No I uninstalled them before updating

[steel canyon]

7800xt
Ryzen 5 7500F
32 gigs of ram
1080p FSR

[high quarry]

I play on a 7800xt at 160fps

[tawny thicket]

there is something VERY fishy there

[steel canyon]

yeah im really not sure

my pc seems more than good enough but i just cant run it properly

[tawny thicket]

reinstall drivers maybe

and i assume FSR AA right?

[steel canyon]

yeah

[tawny thicket]

i get more than that on my RX6600

even at 1440p

[quartz prism]

I uninstalled all the mods before updating

[tawny thicket]

can / have you tried an older save from before you used the mods?

[quartz prism]

I can try to see if I can but I’m not sure how far back I had the mode for

I really hope I don’t have to restart 😕

40 hours down the drain

[tawny thicket]

@steel canyon try enabling the performance/metrics overlay in the driver (or use MSI afterburner) and check VRAM , GPU usage GPU clocks power consumption all that

[steel canyon]

where in msi afterburner is that?

[tawny thicket]

if you want to use MSI afterburner (and you have it installed) : settings-monitoring then select every thing you want to be shown and click the checkbox "show in on screen display"

but you dont have to use MSI afterburner

[tawny thicket]

and you have to have the Riva Tuner Statistick Server installed

[quartz prism]

It works thanks man

[lapis gale]

They should add a anti cheat so people don’t mod

Keeps causing bugs

[high quarry]

modding is a primary feature..

I do expect some sort of in game mod browser though at some point if its true.

[mild flume]

Yeah, use that too sometimes. Maybe i try that with stalker, and enable again e-cores

[snow torrent]

ok right now im having so manny microstutters and i dont know why. Played the game 59 hours and havent had this issue. Ive just done the main quest at SIRCCA. After taht the sutters started. 7800X3D RTX 4080 32GB CL30

[high quarry]

I dont really notice any stutter

when frame capped, the 1% lows and even 0.1% lows are pretty close to the cap

[quartz prism]

Are there any mods that help with performance on the newest patch?

[high quarry]

my max jitter is 0.6ms when capped to 6.28ms (159.2fps), so min is 145 fps

[opaque moat]

i didnt even know people needed mods to make the game run better, shows how much i been paying attention

is it really that bad?

[spare coral]

Some people have constant dips to 5fps even on the lowest settings thanks to memory leaks
But apparently its mostly on nvidia cards or 8gbs cards

[hard juniper]

yes

[opaque moat]

i played my first 4 hours yesterday no issues...but i wiped pc fresh this morning and something feels smoother about the gameplay.

max settings 1440p with frame gen

[quartz prism]

How come my pc can handle Stalker 2 on low to medium settings but my pc can’t handle Fortnite on medium settings???? Isn’t stalker 2 more demanding than Fortnite?

[quartz prism]

Because my game has gotten worse performance since the update

[high quarry]

https://github.com/ColesyM/S2SettingsGenerator/releases/tag/1.2.0

[quartz prism]

Thanks

[tawny thicket]

here is what every mod i tested performs: http://pastie.org/p/7iuFrU6llki2Po4gEnfoOf

though all of these are from the previous patch

but i dont think much has changed since then

as in most cases i was GPU limited and the new patch only really improved CPU performance and reduced VRAM usage a bit

[tawny thicket]

what GPU? at what FPS? (i'm just curious)

[opaque moat]

4080s i had 1 dip to around 130fps at beginning but i tend to hover around 150

[tawny thicket]

i need a 4080 i guess

could probably get about 100 or so on an RX7800 XT

on those settings (with FS FG)

[opaque moat]

i would run DLAA but meh why play at 95fps when i dont have to.

[tawny thicket]

but i'm planning to upgrade to uppgrade to some 12gb RDNA 4 card

if they are good price-perf anyway

[opaque moat]

they will be but im staying at 1440P so i already have single player tarkov capping my 16GB Vram

about 10gb-ish in stalker

[tawny thicket]

i'm kinda spoiled by FG / high framerates too.Like before most of the games i play got FS FG/ FSR i was tottally fine with 40 FPS but now : not so much

like FSR AA 1080 on my settings i get 40 or so FPS and i pretty much use that as a photo mode

[opaque moat]

i dont know anything about fsr or amd's version of frame gen.

[tawny thicket]

FSR is pretty much DLSS but it works on EVERYTHING but looks a bit to a LOT worse depending on who you ask

[opaque moat]

i know nvidia is always a step or 2 ahead in the domain of ray tracing and deep learning but alot of their tech is more optimized for more than just gaming. they have alot on their plate

[tawny thicket]

then FS FG is mostly the same as DL-FG except for the fact that it doesnt use AI to improve the FG quality.Thus it can suffer at lower base framerates and always has artifacts on objects/elements it doesnt get motion vectors for.But again, works on everything

[tawny thicket]

in terms of RT AMD is pretty close in RT shadows(and other less complex/more coherent RT effects) but gets further behind NVIDIA as the coherence of the RT calculations get lower

[opaque moat]

with the leap they made with the 1080Ti...if they would have stayed on that path without ray tracing and just concentrate on rast...who knows what monstrosity they would be releasing these days

[high quarry]

They dont have to worry, AMD wont beat them in rasterization next year.

[tawny thicket]

yeah but then there wouldnt be any innovation

and they would start to fade away as intel was/is

[opaque moat]

ray tracing was an ambicious project...im glad they survived through the 20 series lol

[tawny thicket]

no high end cards next year from AMD but i dont F**KING care

[high quarry]

AMD will just force them to be somewhat compeitive around the 499-599 price range with the 8800XT. Above that, NVIDIA can do whatever they want.

[tawny thicket]

yeah, first gen RT was GARBAGE

[tawny thicket]

"the new and shiny RTX 5080 for only 2999.99$ and now comes with 16gb of VRAM"

[opaque moat]

actually they didnt release a high end card this past gen either to match up to 4090.

[high quarry]

No, but it currently sits at < half the price, and sometimes beats 4090 in pure rasterization.

[tawny thicket]

hold on, let me check the die sze of the RX7900 XTX and 4090

[opaque moat]

4080s is mid/high....7900xtx is mid/high

[high quarry]

4090 should be bigger die of course

[opaque moat]

sometimes....between sometimes and rarely

[tawny thicket]

4090 609mm squared 7900XT 530mm 4080 is somehow 380mm

[tawny thicket]

the 7900XTX ?

[opaque moat]

creators were a little annoyed 4090 didnt come with nvlink

[tawny thicket]

i think it was only warzone 3 / 2 that it did so in

[tawny thicket]

OH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO😣😖😫😣😖😭😭😭😭😭😭

[opaque moat]

i know a guy hes still on dual 3090's because faster than a 4090 in his line of work

nvlink doesnt work in gaming so wasnt for that lol

[tawny thicket]

but it is important that AMD is on a less advanced node with RDNA 3

[high quarry]

far cry 6, BFV, watch dogs legion, assasins creed valhalla, modern warfare II, ties in hitman 3

any where pure rasterization is priority

and CPU matters

Which is a shame they didnt do a larger one, bigger than 7900xtx, they could have beat the 4090 if they wanted to it. Its just for the sake of it though, not really a money maker.

and if they did, NVIDIA would have probably just released the 4090 ti anyway

[tawny thicket]

yeah probably

[high quarry]

4090 is not the full GPU, its cut down

[tawny thicket]

but it would have still lost in RT by a lot i imagine

[high quarry]

yep

[tawny thicket]

i've heard.........

[opaque moat]

the 20 series was the only hope for RT to go away... now its permanent till the next project comes along

[high quarry]

This thing has the full 4090 GPU: https://www.pny.com/en-eu/nvidia-rtx-6000-ada

[tawny thicket]

also IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE if AMD goes on stage at CES and Lisa Sue walks on stage with an 8900XTX in her hands

[high quarry]

It would only really matter if it was $999 or less

[tawny thicket]

(i know those have been canceled but)

[high quarry]

It would make a $1200 5080 16GB look silly

[opaque moat]

but nothing makes nvidia look silly. people dont listen. still outsell no matter the silliness

[high quarry]

Assuming the massive RT improvement leaks are true

[high quarry]

but there is a thresh-hold where people realize its not worth it. With prices creeping up for the same tier every year, that threshhold lowers.

[opaque moat]

cant tell the way 4090's sold out

[high quarry]

Its why cards like 7900GRE sold so well, it mostly ended up price competitive with 4070, and was quite a lot faster.

[high quarry]

thats a supply issue, they stopped making them a while ago, same for the mentioned 7900 GRE unfortunatly 😦

[tawny thicket]

I think it would probably beat the 5080 and wouldn't be far slower that the 5090

[high quarry]

5080 is the very cut down version though

[tawny thicket]

Still cant believe how many people bought the 4060TIE

[tawny thicket]

they probably are judging from the PS5 Pro

[high quarry]

At the mid-high range, AMD sits around 100 EUR price difference here. It needs to be closer to 150-200 EUR for them to claw back market share.

So if an 8800XT is 600 EUR, it had better beat what NVIDIA have at 800 EUR (5070 ti?).

[tawny thicket]

5070 *TIE

Sorry i just had to

[tawny thicket]

But yah that is unfortunate ly how it is

People just don't buy AMD because they think oh, the DrIvErS ArE sh*t

[high quarry]

Well, AMD have themselves to blame there, for 6000 series (and even 5000), even though its no longer a real issue on 7000.

[tawny thicket]

Oh, FSR IS GARBAGE

[tawny thicket]

Were the RX6000 drivers really that bad?

[high quarry]

At the start they were, major timeout/monitor issues.

[hardy gale]

I'm gonna ask this here but I apologize if this isn't the right channel for it. Hard to tell. I've been having the same persistant problem since the release of the game and after all these patches I thought it would be fixed but nothing has changed. I'm starting to wonder if I have some sort of hardware issue thats causing it but I don't know for certain. The issue is really simple. The game is constantly micro-stuttering. I see other people playing the game and it looks reletively smooth but my game stutters often and makes the game feel muggy. I can't get into the game at all no matter how hard I try because it bothers me that much. If anyone has any ideas for fixes or knows of the issue I'm talking about, any help would be appreciated. I'll grab my pc specs and post them in a sec.

[tawny thicket]

never heard about anything like that

[high quarry]

If you have 8GB VRAM/16GB RAM, thats why, and its common.

[hardy gale]

32GB and its reletively fast

[high quarry]

and GPU?

[hardy gale]

4070

[high quarry]

1440?

[hardy gale]

Thats right

[tawny thicket]

And what settings?

MAX?

[hardy gale]

I've tried a bunch. I'm keeping most on high and medium right now.

[high quarry]

Persistent stuttering until relaunch is usually either mem leak (running out of RAM), or running out of VRAM, which overflows into RAM, which runs out.
The stuttering happens because its starts paging to disk, which is magnificently slower than RAM.

[tawny thicket]

and DLSS/DLAA / DL-FG?

[hardy gale]

I've tried them all, no significant impact on the issue

[tawny thicket]

Also do you have the game installed on an SSDo or HDD?

[hardy gale]

SSD

[tawny thicket]

What CPU?

[hardy gale]

10700KF

[tawny thicket]

While i think it should be fine that might be contributing to the problem

Do you have anything open in the background?

[high quarry]

Its a ~5y old CPU, however, I wouldnt expect that to be the cause of stutter everywhere, only around settlements, NPCs, high detail.

[hardy gale]

The usual. Discord, medal, sometimes an opera GX page. Not anything too heavy

[high quarry]

medal runs constant recording in the background doesnt it? That would put some resource pressure.

[hardy gale]

I heard that the Nvidia app has been causing issues in some games, I gotta remember to try disabling that

[high quarry]

The new NVIDIA app overlay does, related to some of the filters.

[tawny thicket]

Its just the overlay

[high quarry]

even if not using filters, just having the overlay is enough.

[glass vault]

I believe they sent out a patch recently

[hardy gale]

oh nvm then, the overly was already off

yeah I downloaded that patch, I'm up to date

[tawny thicket]

Maybe try stopping medal (if it is recording constantly)

[hardy gale]

I can give that a quick shot.

[tawny thicket]

Also, do you have mods installed?

[hardy gale]

technically yes, friend of mine made a mod to remove depth of field and film grain but this issue came before the mod. That said I will also remove that just to be sure

[tawny thicket]

That shouldn't be to disruptive unless your "friend" did something wrong

[tawny thicket]

Freaks out because win dowes didn't think we'd sink this far

[hardy gale]

shutting down medal didn't make a difference

[tawny thicket]

Have you updated your drivers?

[hardy gale]

Yes, all drivers are up to date

[tawny thicket]

I would have to have an NVIDIA card to know more in terms of fixes

[tawny thicket]

Also why do i feel like almost everytime someone has an issue in this game they have an NVIDIA card

[hardy gale]

because most people have nvidia cards I would assume

[tawny thicket]

last time i polled it was 30-40% AMD 60-70% NVIDIA 0% intel

[hardy gale]

lord have mercy on any poor bastard trying to play stalker on an arc card

[tawny thicket]

But yeah, i don't think its that deep

[hardy gale]

true. It's just frustrating. I want nothing more than to sink my teeth into this game but I can't get past this one thing

[tawny thicket]

yeah,i feel bad for you

Especially since you spent more money on that rig than i and i get a smoother experience

And also: this game is just amazing

[hardy gale]

hm... a thought. 10700KF is the CPU type without integrated graphics. Think that could be an issue?

[tawny thicket]

That it doesn't have an iGPU? NO

[hardy gale]

It's so odd. I can play every other game in existance without issue. It's just this one

[tawny thicket]

Clearly AMD has more market share🤣 (based on 3votes!!!)

(Another random probably useless suggestion) but have you tried native 1080p?

[hardy gale]

I have not. I would also rather not, I find 1080P ugly now 🤣

But sure, I'll try that too

just varifying files right now

[tawny thicket]

I have that too just for 720p

And i usually play at 1080p now

Also try going to TAA/TSR/FSR/XeSS try them out (just Another random probably useless suggestion)

[hardy gale]

Done em all I'm afraid

[tawny thicket]

Oh,

And what do you think about the image quality of each of them?(i'm just curious)

[hardy gale]

hang on, was light shafts always an option or is that new?

[tawny thicket]

I have no idea

[hardy gale]

TAA is the best. TSR and FSR are good but I find them a little artificially sharp. XeSS I thought was bad. But If I'm being completely honest I hate them all and i wish beyond anything the game didn't require them and frame generation to run.

[tawny thicket]

Is that at 1080?

[hardy gale]

all 1440p

[tawny thicket]

I found that TAA looked THE WORST by far

Because it was just soooo smeared and it was ghosting all over the place

But FSR and TSR can look artificially sharp (especially TSR IMO)

And then XeSS just has a soft/blurred/blocky look

That's at 1080p anyway

[late ferry]

bas69420 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hardy gale]

oops, pottymouth me. I was just saying that it SEEMS that 1080p is smooth... thats perplexing

[tawny thicket]

so 1080p native runs smooth for you

[hardy gale]

It seems so. Game doesn't feel like mush anymore

[tawny thicket]

Left to right the more right something is the better it looks

[tawny thicket]

Have you tried 1440p with FSR Q/XESS Q/TSR Q?

[hardy gale]

I tried everything with 1440p

Maybe the game just doesn't get along with 1440P. For me atleast

[tawny thicket]

That is really weird then

For me on my RX 6600 If i don't run out of VRAM then i can run 1440p with FSR Q and have a smooth frametime graph

Speaking about VRAM are you sure that you aren't running out of it?

[flat brook]

Kind of needs DLAA to be in here as well, DLSS doesn’t deserve to have that under its hood

[hardy gale]

quite the opposite Only 50% of everything I have is being utilised at most. CPU, GPU, AND RAM

[tawny thicket]

DLSS and DLAA are the same tech just at a different setting

And i disagree

[flat brook]

I would put DLAA far ahead of some of the other AA methods, I wouldn’t put DLSS there however

[tawny thicket]

And how many frames do you get? (Discounting the stut-ters)

[tawny thicket]

So you think that DLSS Q doesn't look as much better than FSR Q then DLAA VS FSR AA?

[hardy gale]

on 1440P I was sticking to around 100 out in the wild. 70 in settlements

[tawny thicket]

Also do these stutters only happen while you are moving?

[hardy gale]

kinda hard to tell if things are stuttering when you aren't but yes I'm pretty sure they happened while I was stationary

[flat brook]

Eh, hard one to comment on as I’m a native res shill, upscalers are great for performance, not great for picture quality

[tawny thicket]

If you had MSI afterburner you could check the frametime graph and it would show up there

[tawny thicket]

(No offense)But what are we even talking about?

[flat brook]

(Offense) The weather in Worcestershire sure is terrible right?

I’m just confused if the poll is ranking best or worst left to right, and why DLAA isn’t in the rankings when TAA is

[tawny thicket]

Anyway next time i'm gonna put DLSS/DLAA Or a disclaimer : at any quality setting

[wispy pollen]

my game is crashing on launch now all of a sudden after the patch

[flat brook]

Wasn’t trying to bust your nuts, just confused as to how you’re ranking them (worst or best on the left), and why TAA was there as an AA method, and DLAA wasn’t

[tawny thicket]

I don't think its that big of a deal

And TAA looks worse than FSR P soooooo

[flat brook]

TAA is the worst of all and an absolute blight in the gaming industry

It’s the graphical equivalent of slapping ductape over a broken windshield so you don’t see that it’s broken

[wispy pollen]

i am getting this crash report

[tawny thicket]

This channel doesn't allow repetitive words so you would have to put your crash logs onto pastie.org

[tawny thicket]

LOL

[wispy pollen]

do you know why it might be crashing at launch? it was working perfeclty before

[tawny thicket]

though its not that bad in games other than stalker2 and ARK smear ascended

[tawny thicket]

Might have to do something with shaders or it could also be a mod that you have installed

[tawny thicket]

That is just my opinion

[wispy pollen]

@tawny thicket I tried unistalling all of my mods which is 5 of them. tried launching it again and it said the same thing. LowLevelFatalError [File:D:\STALKER2\s2editor\Engine\Source\Runtime\RenderCore\Private\ShaderCodeArchive.cpp] [Line: 345] ShaderCodeArchive::DecompressShader(): Could not decompress shader (GetShaderCompressionFormat=Oodle)

[tawny thicket]

What CPU? If its not 13/14th gen then try clearing shader cache

[wispy pollen]

i914900F

[tawny thicket]

🫡

to that 14900

[wispy pollen]

i cleared cache, still crashes

is it ass?

[tawny thicket]

R.I.P. to that 14900 press f to pay respect

Try updating your BIOS first then try again @wispy pollen

[nova palm]

If it's already crashing and stuff the bios update won't do much. It's already degraded

[wispy pollen]

what do you mean? all my other games work just fine

[trim dagger]

Hello guys. What happened to stalker ? Crash after 5 min, open a box and crash, unload the gun and sound of unloading never go off, at menu I got stuck.

[tawny thicket]

Do those other games have shader compilation in them?

[trim dagger]

Did they hire people from bohemian

[wispy pollen]

i think hogwarts does @tawny thicket

@trim dagger idk they must have. ive had nothing but problems with this cancerous game

[tawny thicket]

But there its a 1time thing that you probably did a long time ago before the chip degraded

[uneven portal]

120 ms 100 ms 70 ms

[pastel goblet]

Does anyone know of an issue where after loading the game it completely cuts all access to the internet and WiFi options completely disappear. It only happening with stalker 2

[wispy pollen]

@tawny thicket dude this pc is like 4 months old how in the **** would my CPU be ****** already ?

[tawny thicket]

Have you deleted your config files + reset shader cache? Do you have mods installed?

[fleet wraith]

I had this happen in another game a long time ago. Issue was a corrupted chipset driver

[snow torrent]

where can I reset the shader cache?

[tawny thicket]

If your on NVIDIA no idea on AMD there is a button in the driver

But im gonna go catch some ZZZZZZZ's

[agile harbor]

Ahh the old Nvidia shader cache dance. I feel like I was doing this 15 years ago and still today. https://portkeygamessupport.wbgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/14659998310803-How-To-Clear-Your-Shader-Cache

Replace Nvidia control panel with the Nvidia app, in this case

well, i suppose you can still use the old control panel for this process

also make sure to run Disk Cleanup and check the box for DirectX shader cache

might as well do it all at this point

Note: obviously skip the part about Hogwarts Legacy, that was written on their support page but you're only interested in the Nvidia specific steps

[snow torrent]

thanks!!!

[opaque moat]

refuse to use nvidia app or rivatuner. them both just nope for me

[snow torrent]

don't know why but since today the game has really bad stutter und framedrops. I did nothing on my system so I don't know what's going on.. 7800x3d 4080

gonna try it now with reseted cache

[flat brook]

Nvidia app I can get behind, RTSS is good software though

[opaque moat]

it hooks horribly

[agile harbor]

Similar system here (7800x3D, 4090), 4K Epic, DLSS Quality + FG. Butter smooth 90-117fps (my cap). Just finished a playthrough at around 115 hours. Only performance modifications was a tweaked Engine.ini.

[opaque moat]

yeah it works but that all.

[flat brook]

It’s completely customizable

You can make it look like a nuclear reactor if that’s what you want, or like a plain notepad file, completely up to you

[agile harbor]

RTSS is simply an overlay engine, if you don't need it you can ditch it. The data is only as good as the source, so Afterburner or CapFrameX.

You also don't need to run it all the time. https://i.imgur.com/9zxcXQA.jpeg

[snow torrent]

yeah it was running like soo smooth I was absolutely happy on my end.. till today. Makes me absolutely crazy cause I love the game

[opaque moat]

i just run afterburner for fan curves. my 3rd party video recorder if i wanna see fps.

[agile harbor]

heck the only time I bother is during the initial configuration phase of a game then I don't bother even launching it

[snow torrent]

I think reseting shader cache worked. No abnormal stutter..But I uninstalled the driver with DDU too..So don't know what worked

[flat brook]

I just have it run in the background in off state by default, then Scroll lock to show it if I need it or think something’s off

[agile harbor]

as long as its working well

these days the only software i'm playing with consistently now for games is Special K. So many knobs and buttons to tinker with, especially if you're into HDR.

[jade ore]

did you ever find a fix for this

do you have a fix for the guns being super low poly?

[nocturne tundra]

So game has been running butter smooth since i turned on AMD smart access memory in a cpu limited system

i suggest anyone with a fully amd system to try it out

[dusk brook]

remove whatever mod you used, there was one old version that does that (believe it turn off Nanite causes low poly weapon), use the latest version.

[jade ore]

not using any mods at all

it's like an LOD bug

[hearty pollen]

Oh, if you have ran without the updated bios, degradation is on the table for sure.

[frail temple]

would i get stable 60+ fps with ryzen 9 8945HS and rtx 4070 Laptop in the game? oh high settings rtx off

[flint spoke]

interesting disabling SMT seems worth it in this game

[flint spoke]

enabling D3D12.PSO.DriverOptimizedDiskCache=1 in engine.ini should solve the stutters

allegedly it might not work right with an AMD GPU tho but its worth a shot.

requires more ram so idk if its useful for people with 16gb of ram

r.GTSyncType=2
rhi.SyncAllowVariable=1
r.OneFrameThreadLag=1
r.D3D11.UseAllowTearing=1
r.D3D12.UseAllowTearing=1

with these + Stalker 2 optimized TweaksBASE_v2.22_P from nexus the frames are good and it feels good. (at least outside rostok)

I tried (a lot of)other shit but it either performed worse than what I have or did nothing

VRR felt bad previously for whatever reason, now it feels good. Yaniv station is like 70 fps now and no stuttering. (5800x3d so not even close to the best cpu for this game)

at one point yaniv and red forest both felt insufferable. the foliage tweaks I have might be helping with red forest tho.

[keen mica]

Is performance partly good now?

[flint spoke]

my game is but its modded, i dont think patches did much except water doesnt damage fps like it used to

not sure why devs don't have some of these things enabled, pretty weird cause vanilla still runs worse

tho the pso cache might be bugged for amd, if thats the case I understand why that isnt. but idk about the other stuff.

a lot of these performance mods add the stutter right back which is funny.

[late ferry]

dorruri has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tired turret]

maybe 55 stable

[ionic coral]

adding to #pc-specs message in case anyone else has this issue, or devs see it.

edit: I somehow managed to fix this issue, by completely removing every single file from stalker installation and then reinstalling the game. All I can assume is that there was something in the stalker folder that prevented the game from launching

[tired turret]

update done i will see if the game is better now, but don't mind

[tame ermine]

Hey guys

How is stalker 2 runing these days ?

[tired turret]

better, for telling, i have rtx 3080 ti, ryzen 5 5600x and i get 50/55 fps (pretty stable, some down to 40) in 1440 in high. But have strange artifact in screen

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308034504761409577/1320338966578466846/image.png?ex=6769e5bc&is=6768943c&hm=b70d86e923eff27f4fa8220f5c004a3df13280d0a93e70b372a4fe3fb78d4ae3&

cf in pc-specs

[graceful stratus]

isnt it vram issues?

[unkempt perch]

I wonder if the freezes in Rostok have been fixed

[tired turret]

for the screen i don't know i haven't seen anybodyu got this, and i haven't an y probleme with cyberpunk in ultra rtx on

[lapis remnant]

Yoo anybody running a rig similar to this and getting a stable performance?

Intel i5-14400F
RTX 4060 8gb
16gb ram

[tawny thicket]

my analasys is that you are likely running out of VRAM

i have an RX 6600 8Gb and until i lowered VRAM usage i would get constant stuters and a lot of getting locked to 5fps

try these engine.INI edits : http://pastie.org/p/55Y1w3JCYcfCGEsZoSGEs6

it will make your textures lower quality but should stop you from running out of VRAM

[hearty pollen]

Whats you resoultion? you should have enough vram for 1080p at med to high ish settings.

[lapis remnant]

yea seems about right, game is always using 99% of the vram

[lapis remnant]

1440p and im barely breaking 30fps

[hearty pollen]

ah, 1440p and 4060 is rough, its even rough for my 4070. You need to tune down a lot of settings for a fluent experience

[flint basin]

Hi guys, which frame generation setting have smallest imput delay

I can play even on mixed medium settings on sae fps, but without frame generation game looks grainy

Which setting would not drop fps nor increase, just make game less grainy while not generating input lag. I dont need it smoothier

I use rx570-8gb and i7 4930k, kinda funny that game works, even funnier is i can mix settings

[blazing cape]

probably a 30 FPS cap, AMD Anti-Lag in driver, or just don't use frame-gen

[flint basin]

Without frame gen game is ugly grainy

[somber sorrel]

using an upscaler? for me that solves the grainy look, just put it on native if you don't want any upscaling but make sure to select something, like tsr or fsr

[flint basin]

Tsr and fsr both create input lag, like game is delayed

Its hard to aim with it

[blazing cape]

Well, time to upgrade your system or wait for patches....

Upscaling should only have a very minor processing impact, and not cause input delay

Frame gen is a different story, and more likely to cause it

Besides reducing the graphics terribly (via engine.ini mods), anti-lag in the driver is the only thing that directly targets input delay

[somber sorrel]

honestly im surprised the game even runs on your system, I think your frames are good but your frame times are bad and thats causing input lag, so while the game looks like it runs fine in reality it's having trouble processing frames in time and that causes input lag

[flint basin]

I though frame gen and upscaling is same thing

[blazing cape]

No... lol

[somber sorrel]

this can especially become apparent with frame gen on

[sudden mason]

Folks is anyone using controller on pc? I just can get over that little dead zone. Fine aiming is almost impossible for me. Any tips? Any apps you are using? Ds4windows etc…

[flint basin]

Thx guys

[somber sorrel]

frame gen creates fake frames and inserts them inbetween your actual frames, so while it makes the game run with more frames, the frames are just fake and thats causing input lag sometimes if your pc struggles with frame times

[flint basin]

I will check evetyhing with RIVA and then decide wha to change

[blazing cape]

In-game there's literally an option called "upscaling" and a separate option called "FSR 3.1". The latter is frame-gen, but the devs misnamed it in a recent patch. Haven't checked if they've renamed it back in .2/.3.

[flint basin]

I as wondering why thre is fsr 3.1 two times

So, in settings, lower thing is frame gen, and higher is upscaling?

[blazing cape]

Yes

[flint basin]

I heard not to use TAA. Only FSR and TSR

Is it good advice?

[blazing cape]

Use whatever you like. There's just a lot of people who hate TAA as they perceive it to blur details.

I personally use XeSS, but I'd probably use TSR otherwise. FSR to me is a bit too crunchy in motion, and TAA crunchier.

[flint basin]

What is so special in XeSS?

What do u mean by crunchy

[blazing cape]

It's just Intel's version of DLSS, as FSR is AMD's version. Just different perceived quality.

Crunchy, aka pixelated in motion

[flint basin]

Aaa

[blazing cape]

Try them each, see which has the best quality/performance for you

[flint basin]

U use intel gpu?
Is not always fsr better for amd gpus?

[blazing cape]

FSR 3 and below are so far available for all GPUs

Intel XeSS upscaling is available for most GPUs, but it's slightly better quality and performance on an Intel GPU

I use an Nvidia GTX card, and DLSS is only for Nvidia RTX cards

[flint basin]

Which gtx do u use?

[blazing cape]

1660 S, which is within a few tiers above your RX 570*

[flint basin]

Im currently aiming for rx6600xt

Or 5700 xt

I heard to buy 1660 S cuz they were not used in mining

For me rx 570 is another efficient legend like gtx 750 and 950

[blazing cape]

I'd not aim for an 8GB GPU today if possible. Games eat that quickly now. 12+ ideally.

The RX 5000 cards are... getting older in their hardware compatibility now. Had some launch issues with Alan Wake 2 before it was patched with alternative methods.

[flint basin]

Its hard to find something cheap with much vram

[blazing cape]

Intel B580? :P

[flint basin]

Usually they are highend cards

[flint basin]

I was thinking about that. But due to being limited im looking for something used

[blazing cape]

See if there are open box models for cheaper, if that's available

[flint basin]

Im looking for amd cuz their way of approach is better for me

[random drift]

I'm thinking of making a GPU change from 4060 TI to 7900 XT. The new 5000s series NVIDIA GPUs also seem to be somewhat mediocre and underperforming, but of course will wait for tests.

Do you guys think I should wait a couple months or I can make the change now?

[flat brook]

Look for a second hand 6700 XT, if the B580s aren’t available within your price range

[flint basin]

I respect that they dont change socket every two years

I want to buy cheapest cpu for am5 so i can change it in future for something better

Nvidia is greedy so i dont even think about them

God old times of gtx 1080 ended

But if i found very cheap rtx 2080...

[flat brook]

7000 series cards might reduce in availability new once/after the 8000 series launches, and might raise in prices if Nvidia’s 5000 series launches borked in terms of pricing, and the 8000 series cards are out of stock at the same time.

Haven’t followed the price curve lately, but if you’re looking for a 7900 XT specifically, I would grab it now, not later.

[flint basin]

Hmmmm

Finding gpu is always hard in 200$ range. Even used

Lately, there are no budget cards

4060 are not worth buying
1080 was worst failure of nvidia and our biggest win

[random drift]

I bought my 4060 TI for 550 dollar at summer. But absolutely regretted it.

[flint basin]

Not to mention gtx 9xx, they were cheap and good

[high quarry]

Ouch, More than 7800XT msrp

[flint basin]

Times changed, years ago cheap cards were moe efficient than best ones. Now it flipped

[random drift]

Plus they were marketing the 4060 TI with the DLSS frame generation, that how cool it is. Well what's the point of a DLSS however much FPS it generates, if the GPU tanks from the lack of available VRAM once you turn it on?

[flint basin]

7800 was big win

[random drift]

For example Stalker 2 im playing in 1080p on medium quality, and it's eating 7,5gb VRAM. The moment I turn on DLSS for extra frames, it goes over 8GB and game stutters

[high quarry]

Pray for all the people who get 8GB 5060's

[flint basin]

I think frame gen is forced change of new generation in games. Kinda trendy. I hope it dies

[high quarry]

I dont mind frame generation as an afterthought to smooth things out, not as a primary dependency .

[flint basin]

I think they will produce only few 5060s so they can make 5060Ti more expensive

[graceful stratus]

ofc it will frame gen getting better, why people have a problem with it otherwise we will have 1200 W gpus

[flint basin]

Here u are right cuz currently we have stagnation in technology and we can make them only bigger and more power hungry

But i would be happy if there was something like 4060 but with 16gb

[graceful stratus]

me neither, i dont understand nvidia politics with low vram cards.

[high quarry]

We dont really have stagnation, we have 12 month node iterations and full shrinks every 24 months. That leads to 35-50% power effecincy improves over that period.
Most of that benefit is going to data center and AI, not meaningless consumers for gaming.

One of the main issues there is capacity, and cost.

[ionic pollen]

apparently it may have something to do with their push for the new dlss 4 tech which can upscale texture that could than save you vram. But if you thought games look blurry now, just wait for this magic to kick in...

[flint basin]

For me thats obvious. They dont want to make good cheap card which will be used for 8 years

[flint basin]

I miss old sharp graphics of games

[graceful stratus]

just compare dlss 1.0 to 3.0 is a new tech..

they don't abandon it because everything is aimed at saving energy

well if i have to play with 40fps and 120fps using dlss i will use dlss

[high quarry]

Hopefully we will have TSMC 2nm stuff in the next 18 months on GPUs

[flint basin]

Guys

[high quarry]

for reference, 4000 series was 5nm, 5000 series will be 3nm

[ionic pollen]

except hardware solutions can't really solve software problems...

[flint basin]

The bandwidth of vram or how is it called, like 256 512 is very importnant?

[high quarry]

yes

[graceful stratus]

yeas its more important than amount

[flint basin]

Lol, so why they made it so small

128 in most...

[graceful stratus]

force you to buy better gpus

[high quarry]

We will see about +35% more VRAM bandwidth on the upcoming GDDR7 based cards

[graceful stratus]

the new 5090 is 512bit it will be a monster.

[flat brook]

^ Memory bus size isn’t everything anymore

[high quarry]

and by process node alone, +25% at similar power

[ionic pollen]

yeah it does make a difference. Faster vram means any i/o operations on vram are faster, so you can rearrange the cached stuff better. If software supports it that is. But vram amount is still hugely important and it increases in importance with resolution and generally scales with texture sizes as well. Hence why Nvdiia is now pushing for texture scaling to reduce the vram amount used.

[flint basin]

Bandwidth on my motherboard is other thing? I mean pci bandwidth

[flat brook]

The 2080 Ti had a 352 bit bus pushing 616GB/S in terms of bandwidth

The 4070Ti-Super has a 256 Bit bus pushing 672GB/S

[graceful stratus]

they use other generation memory

[high quarry]

Once PCIE 5 x16 becomes normal for GPUs, it will be a while before thats a bottleneck, I think thats 128 GB/sec

[graceful stratus]

this compare havent a sanse

[flint basin]

Is any difference if i put 128 gpu into 128 or 256 pci? Both are pci 3.0

[flat brook]

Yes, GDDR6 vs GDDR6X

Hence why a smaller memory bus doesn’t inherently mean smaller bandwidth

[flint basin]

So why there is no 256 card with 8 gb vram

[graceful stratus]

4070ti super

[flat brook]

There are?

[flint basin]

Sr i meant 8

Why they were not giving 256 into low ram cards

[graceful stratus]

i think 1080 have 256

[high quarry]

3070's

[graceful stratus]

1080 is 256 and 8 gb vram

[flat brook]

Because it’s completely unnecessary with a 8GB card with today’s memory dies, last time they had that was on 30 series cards

[flint basin]

U dont see what i mean

[high quarry]

and 2070->2080 super

[flint basin]

Why cards like 2060 3060 didnt got it

[flat brook]

It’s kind of like

Why doesn’t my Opel Corsa have a 3.3L turbo charged V6

Because it gets along just fine with a 1.6L Ecotec In-line 4

[flint basin]

Would it not drastically make them better?

[graceful stratus]

well yeah they can made 2060 a 2090 but thats why there are budget cards

but if we look at 5060 8gb in 2024...

[flint basin]

But 2090 have better cpu..

[flat brook]

Kind of? The issue we are struggling with these days is apparently just simply overflowing from dedicated VRAM to Page file/RAM, so sure you could make them significantly better in every aspect, but why make different tiers/budgeted cards?

[flint basin]

Life would dream if difference were only in card processor

Like yea, gamers want something with decent processor but good vram

[high quarry]

The only other reason they need drastically higher bus width is something like HBM, where it has more pins per package, and ran at lower clocks for high bandwidth.

[flat brook]

While it would technically be nice, it would also make absolutely no sense, budget/low end cards are what they are for a reason (today’s pricing aside)

A 3060 with the same VRAM, memory bus and memory die of a 3090 is like slapping a 120mm Turbocharger ontop of a 1 liter 3 cylinder engine

[high quarry]

I think the Vega 64's were 2048 bit with 8GB

[flat brook]

You’re not gonna be able to utilize most of it, as the PU would choke itself before you populated the majority of your memory chips

[high quarry]

go wide, or go fast and power hungry, dont go both for consumers 😄

[flint basin]

What we need currently woul be rtx 5060 with 12gb+, 256 bus, processor can be like 4060

[high quarry]

Thats called a B580...

[flat brook]

12GB GDDR7 can be pushed on a 192bit bus tbh

[high quarry]

doesnt need to be 256

[flint basin]

I think it will be right choice for me

[high quarry]

If you are after an entry level 1080 card, sure.

[flat brook]

B580 is a very good card currently if you can get it for MSRP, 6800XT is a good alternative Altough slightly more expensive (here)

[high quarry]

or 7700xt

[graceful stratus]

can't wait for benchmarks 4090 vs 5070ti

[flint basin]

What is msrp

[high quarry]

7700xt should be same memory config as B580

[flint basin]

There was 3060 12gb but it as widely use in mining and is too expensive

[flat brook]

Retail price determined by the manufacturer

It’s basically AMD saying “This card should be sold by retailers for 250$”

Doesn’t mean that retailers will adhere to that, as price is always determined by supply/demand/inflation

[flint basin]

For me even retail is high lately

How high was retail for 1060?

[flat brook]

It has been for the past 4/5 years, for almost everyone dare I say

Covid, chip shortages, inflation, scalpers, Taiwan facing constant uncertainty has caused prices to go up and kind of stay up over the last 4/5 years

[flint basin]

I really hate that there was boom for crypto. 2022 would be year of cheap used cards. Instead we got stable low prices in 2023 when these cards were too old like used 1070s

Like now used 1060 is worth 50$ but if not that crypto boom, it would cost like that in 2021

[high quarry]

1060 6GB MSRP was infl $390

[flint basin]

Another think, that we gamers think that its getting worse

[flat brook]

It’s insane, I used to think I scored a hell of a deal when I got my 3060 Ti for 450€

[flint basin]

While actually its not that bad

[high quarry]

1070 was $485

[flint basin]

Sadly b580 is ideal for budget gpu so it will long be not seem on used market

Cuz who will change B580 for rtx 5000

[high quarry]

a 1080 Ti was $900

[flint basin]

Luckily 1080 got cheap quickly

[high quarry]

yet an 8GB RX 580 was $295

[flint basin]

Btw if remember good

Rx 570 4gb is 256 while 8 gb is 128...

What an bullscheisse

[high quarry]

If we go back 10 years, a 4GB GTX 980 was $730

[flint basin]

Gtx 9xx is still named one of best series

I think only cuz 950 was GOAT

But this can be only opinion of polish gamers

For us 950 was real game changer

[flint basin]

Msrp 730?

[high quarry]

yeh, after inflation

That $700-900 range is where the good GPUs were.
This time, that slot was filled by 4070 ti super

4080 was far too expensive to fit

[flint basin]

Sadly there are not enough b580s

Nearly all sold, few washidden by sellers to inflate price. And now in Poland u can buy it for 350$+

[high quarry]

Its worth it <= 300 EUR

Nothing else can compete at that price

[sterile harbor]

i deleted the entire folder at appdata\local\stalker2 and it fixed

[high quarry]

7700XT is too expensive, in Europe now

[high quarry]

This would happen with nanite off

[hearty pollen]

Okay, the last patch has seemingly fixed the mem leak issue for me

[high quarry]

RAM leak, i.e related to storage box?

[hearty pollen]

I can finally use DLSS. No the creeping one that comes after you have played a while.

[high quarry]

Ah.

[hearty pollen]

Never had the storage box one, and my box is has sooo much loot.

[graceful stratus]

When i use DLSS on quality/performance balance my fps suddenly raise to 200 from locked 120

[hearty pollen]

also, VRAM leak, not RAM. Just to be clear

[high quarry]

Yep, performance scales rapidly with resolution when GPU limited

Was looking through PC part picker for EU prices. It is pretty rough, but you can just about put together a good 1500 EUR build:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/64tPXR

[flint basin]

I found used 6700xt 12gb for 260

[high quarry]

Good price if its in full working condition

[flint basin]

Yee

[high quarry]

a bit faster than a B580

[flint basin]

B580 is too expensive in shops - 350$ for new

Thats 1600 zł, while msrp is 1000

[tawny thicket]

i wish i had 1500€ right about now

[flint basin]

I wish i had 500 xd

[tawny thicket]

it would be especially great because i want to play ARK SMEAR ascended for longer than 20 minutes at a time

like the VRAM leaks in that game are CRAZY

[high quarry]

best thing I could do for my system now, is this: https://www.emag.ro/placa-video-xfx-speedster-merc-310-amd-radeontm-rx-7900-xtx-black-edition-24gb-gddr6-384-bit-rx-79xmercb9/pd/D0NJ1PYBM/

Thats 900 EUR though.

Gotta see what happens first week of Jan.

[snow torrent]

game still stutters bad after like 10 Minutes of playing. Didn't have that problem for 50 hours of playing and then all of a sudden.. didn't change anything on my system. Reseted the shader cache and reinstalled nvidia drivers with DDU too.. It is so frustrating because i love the game 😖

[rare temple]

Seems like the compiler issue is fixed (temporarily) with v1.1.3 patch. I've restarted the game about 4 or 5 times and not a single hang. Otherwise, nothing much else performance-wise has changed for me. Still getting around 50-60 fps in the Zone, and around 35-40 in Settlements depending on how crowded they are with NPCs. Still getting memory leaks causing my FPS to drop to 5-10 fps. It just might be my GPU and there may not be any solution to it (GTX-1660 OC with 6GB VRAM). It is what it is until I can afford to upgrade my GPU. At least, it only happens after playing awhile it seems, and usually I can go into the pause menu and wait it out, or it requires a restart. With the compile issue possibly fixed, I'm not so scared to restart the game and clear out my VRAM.

[dusk brook]

the weird thing is the game barely using 6gb vram out of 8gb on my rx580
there gotta be some unknown bug related to some specific GPU which causes those frame drop

[rare temple]

From what I can tell, it's not tied to any one specific GPU. It happens to 6gb and 8gb from what I've read. Not so sure about any 10gb GPUs though. I believe 12gb is actually where it doesn't happen, or at least, I don't remember reading anyone with such a GPU having the issue. But I could be wrong.

[dusk brook]

that problem didnt happens on my case however, which is an ancient 8gb gpu

[rancid sedge]

Well, still freeze after dying.. will they patch this ?

[lapis gale]

Not this year

[flint basin]

Honestly i like how fast they are repairing everything

we dont need to say multiple times, they dont ignore problems like other developers

[tawny thicket]

UE 5 limits the maximum amount of VRAM it can use (IIRC its 84%)

and then 57% for textures(IIRC)

[dusk brook]

if there's a way to tell the game to just use all the resources available =/ (including system ram)

[spare coral]

#📸┃screenshots_and_videos good update

[agile harbor]

when I look over and see usage at 23.3GB and the framerate dropping to its knees (granted that hasn't happened in a while)

[spare coral]

(it didnt even fail the last time it did a shader compilation)

[tawny thicket]

that could be the overall not /process

[agile harbor]

Oh its the overall, for sure, but its just tongue in cheek regarding this games VRAM bug thats hitting people

And that it'll happen even if you have 24GB of it to go around

[vapid wigeon]

Well for people still stuttering out the ass, given that 90% of you are monitoring things at this point...

Skip to 10:25

https://youtu.be/bQH3DYNboM0

Ironic that the 9800X3D is even mentioned when in the video its GPU Power monitoring in ANY current app with the latest drivers.

[agile harbor]

lol people are grasping at straws. that post is from 6 years ago

I monitor a lot, including GPU power. No microstuttering.

[vapid wigeon]

That video is recent & literally apparently still an issue judging by the comments

Again just trying to throw a SLIGHT nudge of help to SOME who it may help

I wasn't even looking crap up today it just popped up since im subbed to the guy.

Ironically this morning, had a guy in a gamer group I'm part of in FB finally give his work PC a go with S2. Which has a 7700 XT and 7700x. Ironically, no more FPS dips, no more Vram issue, NO CRASHES.

Yet his........... DRUM ROLL 4090 and 14900 crash or have the Vram issue.

And yet I'm still WRONG about the whole AMD thing 🤣 👌

[analog salmon]

Please can someone help me, I have a nvidia graphics card and just want the cleanest image possible. I have a good rig (not like that means anyhting with stalker) but having issues on which upscaling method to use etc

[agile harbor]

DLSS Quality

[analog salmon]

thank you mate

[agile harbor]

Dunno what to tell you, its smooth as butter here. As we've seen countless times again and again here, all systems have all sorts of issues and there is zero data to support just blanket blaming one vendor. Less knowledgeable users, the ones that don't know how to diagnose and tweak their systems are the ones suffering.

[analog salmon]

must be my monitor settings then as the colours just look a little off ahhh

[dusk brook]

make sure it's sRGB, not LDR on display section.
but otherwise monitor can affect how well you can see the black area

[snow torrent]

had the first memory leak crash since the release date version. Was in Rostok and after dealing the game freezed and I had to exit the game via task manager

and again

what in the world is going on

and crash while compiling shaders.. Frustrating

[agile harbor]

Its unfortunate but your system seems a little problematic

[snow torrent]

it didn't the last 50 hours of playtime

don't understand why ist making such problems now

tested my system via Stresstests from 3dmark and furmark. Benchmark scores are above the average. Other games run fine, think there's something on my end that's not working the right way with the last patch

[agile harbor]

If you haven't already, zip up your save games then eradicate the game from your system

main game directory, then alternative appdata folders

just uninstalling through steam will leave many things behind

technically speaking Steam has Cloudsync so when you reinstall it should pull down your saves

but piece of mind to just zip up the folder

[snow torrent]

okay buddy thank you! is its just a Rostok bug? maybe?

[agile harbor]

Rostok has no issues for me, at least.

[dusk brook]

game feels like very cpu limited, messing around with settings, aside from foliage, everything else are kinda......... eh...
almost no fps differences. At best 3fps difference from low vs epic.
the draw distance also dont affect performance, is any of the settings even works correctly lol 🤣 probably just assume all of them have anomalies.

[agile harbor]

You'd be correct

With a very lightweight Engine.ini, i'm CPU limited with 7800x3D/4090 at 4K. Only when I load up a custom Ultra Engine.ini do I see my GPU become the limit.

[plucky quail]

I think my CPU is dying. Still can’t run higher than 4800mt on 14900k mobo that can do 7600mt. Pripyat is getting me cus of that the biggest fps drops

Guys I would stop asking gsc if they do that or this more we should ask if they can rework the lighting system that would for sure give least 20fps

[past escarp]

wdym rework? as far as i know - its full program-level luman aka its ray tracing, i guess there is no option for more optimized ones. Maybe they will add something like nvidia`s rtx but not likely

[dusk brook]

I'm on really ancient 15 years old pc, could use an upgrade.
but then I see people on youtube with AM5 CPU (which I interested to buy) + RX580 8GB, ran WORST than my current ancient CPU.
it's so weird! (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ how is that even possible?

[grizzled drift]

Thanks for that video

[past escarp]

sounds like a skill issue

[grizzled drift]

You’re on a 15 yr old pc with the screenshots you posts?

[plucky quail]

No you can do much more. First this game is extremely static nothing really moving as in u can destroy it or pick up and move it around. So raster would look perfect for this. Lumen I guess can stay but more reduced. Like small AO and reflections.
It would take much of the calculation. HW RT could also help by replacing the stuff that would lumen do above 👆 mentioned.

[grizzled drift]

Really wish the game had HWRT

[plucky quail]

But not the first thing we should wish

[grizzled drift]

No lol

[dusk brook]

of course the framerate I got when making shots isn't good as I crank everything to max
as I usually say it "screenshot is 0fps, so it doesnt matter how the game ran when you do it 🤣 "
//--
but here's the funny things:

• me on ancient cpu, epic settings, 100% scaling - 15fps
• someone on modern AM5 CPU, low setting, forgot what scaling value - 5fps
  is that sounds logical or his pc just broken?
  //--
  for normal gameplay I lower some stuff like foliage and scaling to 50% to try to get 25-30fps (no framegen, the 'smoothing' makes me sick)

[past escarp]

its just that this would take a lot of time to make this

[plucky quail]

Yea but better than running for some with stutters running in to towns and having below 30 fps

[grizzled drift]

Their pc could be unoptimized but who knows, so many variables with PC setups but I just wanted to say your screenshots look great for being on a 15 year old pc lol

[plucky quail]

You can pretty much save the data on shadows so that the GPU don’t need to calculate it like for lumen

[past escarp]

i think mods could do this. also i personally had few troubles with fps and frametime. BUT i was playing on rx7800xt +r7 7700, so its natural that i dont run into problems with fps. BUTx2 fps in camps and in generators sucks ass. its straight up awful that on 1080p i still cant get stable 60fps with such pc

[high quarry]

Lumen is heavily cache based, and temporal, with adjustable frame timing settings.

but you can also adjust the trace budget

[plucky quail]

Gonna take much longer if ever

[past escarp]

also i had only 60-70fps on ultra without framegen, so in general game has very big problems with resource managing i guess

[plucky quail]

Let’s see if they make this not only great but perfect

[high quarry]

The thing with lumen is, the resources it uses are pretty fixed.
Its the other stuff which is much more dynamic.
FG (foliage), and Nanite (runtime tessellation)

and Textures to some extent, because they are a virtual pool, but its easy to control VRAM limits on those (and its what they did in patch 1.1)

[past escarp]

i heard that either nanites or lumen is not fully configured in stalker 2, so gpu is making a lot of calcs on static objects as if they were dynamic

[high quarry]

dynamic nanite clusters and trees/nodes are a variable resource size mostly, and then when they split geometry down to pixel size triangles, it puts a massive load on CPU and RAM up close

its why you lose fps getting up close to NPCs

People think NPCs overload their CPU just by being there, and they do to some extent with their pathing/skinning/animations, but its just a little extra multi-core load. Its only a problem if the CPU is already overly stressed due to the other stuff, mostly geometry.

You can reduce the nanite clusters and nodes a lot.
It will mess with distant rendering and pop-in, but vastly reduce fps drop due to geometry overload.

i.e

r.Nanite.MaxVisibleClusters=131072
r.Nanite.MaxNodes=131072```

[vapid wigeon]

There actually are a lot of lighting and shadow options disabled atm

[high quarry]

For the most part you wont notice, except building in the distance.

Some things will look less tesselated though, like dropped items.

[past escarp]

like the flashlight shadows

[plucky quail]

That still would either make ur game look bad or if u let it like it is gonna drop fps. They should do raster and lumen cus till now it’s just lumen what I can see.

[vapid wigeon]

A lot of different types of shadows and interaction yeah

[high quarry]

Example of much lower nanite detail on the barrels: https://i.imgur.com/9KW9Baq.jpeg

[dusk brook]

dont feels like that affect performance if any, as I tried the flashlight shadow mod. Wonder what another mystery it's turned off by default.

[high quarry]

Not quite true, there is directional light and shadow, and it blends between them, there is a setting to prefer the blend preference.

otherwise they wouldnt have directional sunlight and cascaded shadow maps

[uneven portal]

Maybe he exaggerated, but he's partly right, they saved a lot of time with the damn lumen.

[high quarry]

Yep, since its there out of the box. Most of the work for it is appropriate proxy meshes.

[grizzled drift]

Just wish lumen wasn't so noisy but I've managed to reduce a lot of it

RR reduces it but doesn't fix the problem

[high quarry]

Only thing that helps is more res, and more rays

[grizzled drift]

Give me all the res and rays

[vapid wigeon]

It's not noisy really unless you're using any type of scaling from dlss to fsr etc

[grizzled drift]

Even with no scaling it's noisy

[high quarry]

To get that means going higher than Epic

and its costly, i.e
https://i.imgur.com/HvJaRUY.jpeg

[grizzled drift]

This your Ultra or Insane ini? or custom?

[vapid wigeon]

I haven't noticed it being noisy without scaling at 4k on my end. Super clean and real as it gets

[high quarry]

Ultra

This was Ultra too: https://i.imgur.com/Gw26jxL.jpeg

[grizzled drift]

It's mainly on reflections on surfaces like your gun, wood, and up close on windows has noisy shadows

Or the floors in the SIRCAA building, good example

[vapid wigeon]

It does only if I enable fsr. Without it doesn't at all for me.

[high quarry]

I think for that you want to adjust SMRT ray counts

[grizzled drift]

Yeah cause I've messed with all the upscalers and no upscaling and its super noisy without my ini file

[tawny thicket]

r.smoothBias=1

[grizzled drift]

with my ini its fine

[tawny thicket]

easy fix with no performance cost

[high quarry]

r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.RayCountDirectional, default 8
r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.RayCountLocal default 8

[vapid wigeon]

Unless nvidia vs amd renders the shadow differently

Much like one does complex splatter and other things better, texture depth, etc those things

[high quarry]

r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.SamplesPerRayDirectional default 4
r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.SamplesPerRayLocal default 4

and then dithering, whioch is noise, but reduces aliasing

r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.TexelDitherScaleDirectional default 2
r.Shadow.Virtual.SMRT.TexelDitherScaleLocal default 2

Those should control the small shadow noise patterns

[tawny thicket]

the actual command : r.lumen.reflections.smoothbias=1

[vapid wigeon]

Which is probably why I don't see these shadow noise issues using amd. Only happens if fsr Is on with fg. And that's fsr at 100% scale though

[tawny thicket]

though that can be set to 2,3,4 so on

[high quarry]

that applies to everything though

if you want it per material, adjust the max roughness to trace (which directly affects the ray counts so is costly)

[tawny thicket]

honestly never saw it breaking anything when set to 1

[uneven portal]

I don't like the graphics of stalker 2, because they are really good in static scenarios, but in motion I would prefer anything else

[high quarry]

lots of it is temporal

[uneven portal]

no matter how much you add things, that damn lumen noise won't go away.

[tawny thicket]

al i noticed was that in SIRCAA all the reflections were way sharper

[high quarry]

It can become much more stable in motion, but then you would be updating lumen more often..

[spare coral]

You start walking and the foliage starts breaking etc even at native

[high quarry]

Most of what you think its reflected raytracing is actually a lumen trick, called Radiance

[uneven portal]

its the result of the temporal accumulation over frames

[tawny thicket]

it does depend on what you use #📸┃screenshots_and_videos (as to how bad it is)

[high quarry]

It adds another cache to the probes, so when tracing a reflection it will interpolate from the probe value, instead of a real raytraced scene colour. So its always out of date somewhat.

[uneven portal]

it depends a lot on the scenario, but it is something that in a screenshot you can't see, and let's be honest the game looks better in screenshots than when you are playing it

[plucky quail]

Yea that’s true ,but I would say lumen should be replaced with raster GI. Like this form of Performance should not be acceptable.

[high quarry]

That's all Lumen is fundamentally, a set of out of date caches for a grid of probes that is interpolated from to determine multiple different things for scene blending.

[tawny thicket]

(the scenario was strafing left to right)

[uneven portal]

sincerely it's one of those things that I'm not sure they will fix

[high quarry]

Hardware is nowhere near fast enough to do it realtime..

We would need 4x a 4090 just to start getting close.

[tawny thicket]

it does look a bit sharper in a screenshot but in the sreenshot you can see everything that is wrong with the image but when you are playing the game it gets a lot less apparent

[grizzled drift]

Need a RTX 10090 and a 20800X4D

yes 4D cause it's now 4 dimensional

[tawny thicket]

and TAA was at native everything else was at quality (and TSR manually set to 65% BC the presets dont work)

[tawny thicket]

like the hand rests on gaming chairs

[uneven portal]

If you rotate the camera very quickly when there's fog, it disappears, and you can see the void—darker than anything else. Many times, during rainy days near a light source, you can see Lumen loading on the texture of the weapon. I constantly notice how the rendering system struggles to keep up.

[tawny thicket]

i never see anything like that

[uneven portal]

Try it yourself—I have a recording of it, and a friend tested it as well.

Simply move the camera very quickly, and the fog won't render. If you disable Lumen, the fog disappears also.

[high quarry]

That effect will worse as fps lowers, i.e if lumen probe cache is 15 frames and native fps is 30, thats a stale cache for half a second.

[uneven portal]

I was at a native 90 FPS when I did the test.

[high quarry]

if it was 144fps native and 15 frames, that effect would be 5x less noticable

[uneven portal]

144 FPS with Lumen on high sounds impossible, Especially without using upscaling or Frame Generation.

[tawny thicket]

i'm not ready to see something i wont be able to unsee

[high quarry]

90 fps would still be 167ms PLUS the temporal gather, so its quite long

its basically 10x longer than need for it to not be noticable above 60fps, so temporal is not going away this decade..

[uneven portal]

It would have been better if they hadn't used Lumen directly. I'm sure the game would have looked even better, but well, it's too late now.

[high quarry]

What we should get the compute power for in that timeframe though is get rid of TAA...

[flat brook]

Someone call the guy who bought Cheyenne

[high quarry]

the shader load on 1.1.3 is so jarring when loading save game 😄

[broken sage]

I think they look rather blurry, especially the trees (yes I have motion blur turned off)

Its just hard for my eyes to track evreything and separate, might he a me thing

[grizzled drift]

Gonna try your Insane preset rn lol

[high quarry]

got enough VRAM?

[grizzled drift]

24gb

[high quarry]

should be fine then

[tawny thicket]

i need that

[grizzled drift]

Alright

[agile harbor]

Stalker 3 on Id Tech 8, the dream (joking.. mostly)

[tawny thicket]

"should" LOL😂🤣

[high quarry]

slow, but fine 😄

[grizzled drift]

[uneven portal]

Buff cabom pc

[tawny thicket]

what GPU dou you have? (i'm just curious)

[agile harbor]

One of two options lol

[agile harbor]

For the last few hours of my playthrough until the end credits I ran with the Ultra preset using his config gen. 4090 at 4K w/ DLSS Quality/FG returning 80-90fps but base framerate was lower, thus inducing more input lag.

[grizzled drift]

4090

[agile harbor]

As soon as pre-FG framerate dips below 60, the input lag with it enabled just skyrockets. So evident in mouse feel.

[grizzled drift]

Oh okay not bad, I'm using (3K) lol 3440x1440 and DLSS DLAA with FG

[high quarry]

I am at shelter, I just tried Epic Native res.
Now loading my .ini I had before patch

[tawny thicket]

3*

[grizzled drift]

Getting around 120 rn with Insane preset in Zaton by the Sultansk

[agile harbor]

4K is a killer

[grizzled drift]

Yeah I'm between 2k and 4k lol I just say 3k

[agile harbor]

we won't get into the rants I have about using that naming convention 😆

[grizzled drift]

Ikr

[uneven portal]

I'm going to try all this on a laptop (I have a warranty, I hope I won't have to use it).

[high quarry]

Those are the defaults.

[uneven portal]

the ones below are the others?

[agile harbor]

you're not going to kill hardware with game settings (I say that remembering the New World/3090 debacle fondly)

[grizzled drift]

I also maxed out the View Distance on the Insane preset

only thing I changed, to 2.0

[glass vault]

Perfect storm type shit

[agile harbor]

It was

[uneven portal]

one day a friend's laptop died because of Star Citizen.

[agile harbor]

I mean, his laptop died. Don't have enough information to blame the game specifically other than it must have been faulty. (the laptop)

[high quarry]

I find Ultra to not actually be that demanding

[uneven portal]

I believe the game needs 64 ram and runs at 50-60 fps on a 4090

[glass vault]

Gotta use a laptop till it loses it magic smoke in class

[uneven portal]

Which ones do you use?

[glass vault]

Mine did it in highschool

[high quarry]

Here we go: Comparison
https://imgsli.com/MzMwODUw

See the nanite difference on the concerete doorframe and the speaker above it.

[agile harbor]

Its hardly a game if i'm honest, its still like a technical demo all these years later. Trust me I have my receipt for my game from from 2013 still.

[high quarry]

But thats +70fps

[agile harbor]

native there seems so detailed

[high quarry]

It is with FSR AA 100% sharpening

[glass vault]

Is it just me or the custom version looks better

[high quarry]

na, look at geometry edges, shadows, distance foliage

But this is why I call it Balanced, its a fair balance of visual and performance.

[glass vault]

Custom looks better. It feels more worn and torn for the zone

[high quarry]

Its this one: https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/68d6fc7735db45e892b4f2d2fb9d0b6d

[agile harbor]

it looks to me like its missing definition

but truth be told I really only care in a comparison like this

if the custom one gives that large of a performance bump, that's the one to play

[glass vault]

If the shadows are better then ground and everything else I prefer

[high quarry]

It def is, and the nanite settings are minimized so distance LOD is very low or missing: https://i.imgur.com/MhAarRn.jpeg

but its how I maintain 160fps

[glass vault]

That image I don't prefer it as much. Everything just kinda turned to mush

[high quarry]

on a $500 card

[high quarry]

Yeh, especially the building