pc-specs

[lavish mason]

Finally spamming compilation screen with force close got me back to game. Loaded newbie area, got mad. Found deleted save folder, restore it. Hope this is my 40 hours back? Open game. It's fcking compiling again? Really?

[fallow bear]

Saying that an EVGA-card (R.I.P) can't hold it ? You can't be serious. 3090 holds a lot of stuff, but you need to know what you do. Game optimizations suck (obviously, for a reason - to sell you "shiny new GPU")

"A total bs card for today" - that said it all. A total "LOLZ bag". John Carmack and Co. prove that decades ago to all the BS-corporations - OpenGL, and now - Vulkan. BAD DEVS make great cards SUCK. That's all about it.

[rancid vale]

Memory leak still exists. Game crashed and using all 64gb of ram lol.

[agile harbor]

I've seen this a few times with system RAM. If you happen to be watching the utlizaton graph, do you see it start zig zagging? Like it peaks then drops off, then peaks and drops off up until the actual UE crash screen?

A few is probably like twice in 100 hours.

[rancid vale]

No everything was fine and it just ramped up to crash. Gonna relaunch now and use lossless scaling frame gen. (That app is god tier).

[high quarry]

Never seen this with RAM yet.

[rancid vale]

Was in rostok selling all my overstock of items.

[agile harbor]

Its only happened to me a couple times. Game locks up, look over at RAM and see it pegged on usage, then it backs off, then back up again.. back and forth for about 30 seconds then the game fully crashes to the UE crash window.

Not common.

[high quarry]

Like something is allocating in a loop, then getting collected, on repeat.

[agile harbor]

Definitely looks that way when it happens. I haven't seen it for a week or so.

TBH I haven't had that or the VRAM issue for a week or so so fingers crossed

[rancid vale]

Tbf it's the first kind if crash I've had like that. My main issue has been vram leak which drops me to like 4 fps.

[fallow bear]

n00b. You are just the next wanna-be streaming kiddo. You have aboslutely NO valid points in your hilarious statements.

[flat brook]

Enough, save this kind of behavior for https://discord.com/channels/504587323577729024/504592685428899851

Disagreements here are fine, this is not.

[fallow bear]

I didn't do anything wrong - but trying to combat non-constructive generic hate by whatever-camp "fanboys". Anyways. You have a fair point. Some others - don't.

[rancid vale]

Happened again.

[flat brook]

Like I said, disagreements here are fine, but this is one of the few places where you can structurally and factually dissect statements and have a proper discussion. I don’t agree with his statement either, and if I had any more energy left I would debate it in a normal manner. Just not like this, keep this channel sane, not like #general

[agile harbor]

Well that's concerning so quickly

[rancid vale]

Yeah it is again at Rostok selling items.

[high quarry]

See if you can figure out if its a specific item/stack size

[rancid vale]

No i sold the stacks which caused it last it literally just browsing my storage container. 🙂

[flat brook]

Was about to ask if you had DRP on, as the only time I’ve had S2 gobble up 63GB of RAM was the one time I enabled DRP, but it’s not showing on your profile.

Likely something inventory related, I’d say try and book it out of Rostok to slag heap, open your stash/trader inventory there

[rancid vale]

DRP.? 😛

I'm heading to wandering lights so will fast travel to skadosvk and try there

[flat brook]

Discord Rich Presence, plug-in that shows what game you’re playing, what activity and for how long.

Was likely a fluke on my end, but the timing was impeccable, hasn’t happened again since I’ve disabled it. And I’ve had the game run straight 6 hour sessions just sitting in my stash while I was away from home

[rancid vale]

Ah ok i got you!

Also if i tab out during compiling it stops and i have to relaunch lol

[high quarry]

tabbing out shouldnt matter in borderless

if exclusive fullscreen, then yes

[rancid vale]

Yeah that's what i thought too but i am fullscreen borderless :).

[eager sandal]

That's kind of funny I managed to get through compiling once by watching the spnning progress, and alt tabbing back and forth to get it to actually restart.

As the UE error is a timed out thread and all.

[agile harbor]

small nitpick, but its GB

[errant aspen]

How is the new patch? I completed the game before I could try it. How is A-Life 2.0?

[spare coral]

Its way better than before regarding A Life but its still not like the old games if thats what you want it to be

[hearty pollen]

Its more closer to A-Life 1.2 with the last patch. A improvement, but still a long way to go

[errant aspen]

Well, good to hear that it's done something. Hopefully the zone doesn't feel so empty.

[plucky cipher]

Does this game just not function for anyone else too? Like since launch I barely have been able to actually play the game due to constant crashing, last update I was able to at least run it for (if I'm lucky) maybe 30min to 1hr max.
Now the game won't even get passed the title screen.

[flint spoke]

dx12 doesn't have actual full screen. the fullscreen 'exclusive' in the options isnt real fullscreen exclusive, its all bordered/windowed

[coarse burrow]

DID I STUTTER?

I'VE SAID IT NOW. EITHER DO THIS OR QUIT PLAYING THE GAME.

Do you guys think writing the code for proper vram management and asset streaming is easy as you say.

[plucky cipher]

Settle down big man I asked a simple question

[coarse burrow]

It's easy to say and dead complex to do actual work

[hearty pollen]

Regardless of difficulty, memory leaks this bad is not acceptable and has to be fixed.

[coarse burrow]

Since the GSC devs aren't Albert Einstein of game dev, yes, this issue is unfixable.

YES, ITS also INCOMPETENCE

[spare coral]

Why are you screaming

[hearty pollen]

God, no reason for you to scream.

[plucky cipher]

Never seen someone seemingly so angry at a question dude, I asked because I WAS able to play the game (albeit barely) and now I CANNOT play the game at all, so clearly something was messed up, and I was asking if it was a problem for other people, I'm sorry I didn't scroll for a prolonged period of time to find your message, dear god.

[hearty pollen]

Ignore that fella. to your question, seemingly a lot have issues to start the game currently, which what you also is experiencing right?

[plucky cipher]

Correct, the game is fun and all, and I was in update 1.0.3 (I think) able to run the game well after upgrading my PC's CPU, and it would run smoothly and crash to a point where I could bare reopening the game, now I can't even press "continue" in the main menu without it crashing

[hearty pollen]

What steps have you done so far to troubleshoot this? Just so i dont tell you do to the same thing twice.

[coarse burrow]

16GB vram is the standard Correct me if wrong. (Even tho you can't 😂)

[hearty pollen]

Ugh, are you still here? at least you arent screaming anymore, so its a step forward...

[plucky cipher]

I have since verified steam files and have been checking nexus for some form of fixes, although I haven't been in much luck since the update essentially JUST came out, I'm not too tech savvy so I haven't even thought about digging in game files to find anything problematic

[coarse burrow]

I'm just typing in highlights to see better. saying that it's engine code issue and not hardware.

[plucky cipher]

You were yelling, I can scroll about five messages back to see so

[flat brook]

If it’s a software issue, it’s on GSC to solve it for us, not on the consumer to go out and risk having their PCB shorted is a shoddy memory die soldering job.

[coarse burrow]

An example is, the Avatar game, which has even more asset varieties and very dense world. Yet the game runs with 0 vram issues. That's a well made engine for you. (The game is bad tho)

[flat brook]

Give GSC time to fix their pipeline, I’m sure they’ll get to it eventually, especially with the amount of people still having issues.

[hearty pollen]

Okay. l would recommend you to clear out the shader cache. Here's a guide for it. easier than me typing.

Do this and try again. Hopefully it just does its thing with shaders and fires straight up.

[coarse burrow]

Yes, but let's be honest, the devs can't achieve that feat.

[plucky cipher]

Are you here purely to be negative man 🥲

[flat brook]

I’m sure they can, smaller studios have achieved it, GSC has both the time and dedication to achieve it as well.

[coarse burrow]

Stating the facts

[sonic ridge]

B been

[coarse burrow]

I'm not only talking about GSC. I'm talking in general

[flat brook]

Hardly facts when it’s only been a month, most of that time spend fixing mission soft/hard locks and crashes, not focused on performance.

[coarse burrow]

Since DX12 became the norm, low level graphics programming, is dead complex to optimize. You need intelligent brains to write optimization codes for your project

Back with dx11, the driver would do the heavy lifting and it was fine.

[coarse burrow]

Yes, but I'm talking about the future too. If you want keep that 6,8GB cards, You might want to do this physical vram upgrade coz, wait for it: Future games will be so vram heavy that even 1080p won't hold inside 8gb buffer.

[plucky cipher]

Are you always condescending?

[thorny raft]

He so smart and handsome i hope to one day be intelligent enough to spend my time telling people off on discord

[coarse burrow]

Because if you take a 3070, the vram is shit nowadays as we obviously know. But the processing chip more than enough, it's better than base PS5 chip. Just that it's handicapped by that 8GB.

[coarse burrow]

Surprise, people in china and philipines do this. And some US guys too. The YT videos are probably the US guys.

[flat brook]

I don’t have a 6.8GB card. Optimization regarding texture compression, Nanite data etc are both on Epic and GSC. Games haven’t gotten much more visually impressive over the past 4 years, they have become increasingly demanding.

Again, not on the consumer to risk their PCB in a shoddy soldering job. Terrible recommendation to give.

[coarse burrow]

They understand the problem. And also considers about E waste i think.

[flat brook]

China and being concious about production, consumerism and E-waste?

[coarse burrow]

Personally by the people that does this I mean.

I may be wrong

But the chinese guys are so skilled with electronics and stuff

[flat brook]

It’s because it’s a profitable business model in a world growing ever more dependent on their memory dies.

[plucky cipher]

@hearty pollen the game passed the main menu, however the moment I exited the store / stash in zalissya my game still crashed, I appreciate the help however, I might just hold tight and wait for better optimization, my graphics card is getting an upgrade soon anyways

[dry frigate]

Do artifacts respawn after emissions?

[plucky cipher]

Supposedly, I've heard that they come 1-2 days after emissions, take my word with a grain of salt though because I haven't myself been artifact hunting yet

[hearty pollen]

Its one step forward! at what point are you in the game? There is some issues with saves, try load a earlier one, just for the sake of testing.

Also, i had one crash yesterday after deleting my shaders, but after that it was solid. Did you try more than once?

[plucky cipher]

Last I remember I || confronted Solder and his men|| haven't been playing since

[plucky cipher]

Will run a few more launches to see if it will work any better

[hearty pollen]

Do that, so far its rather similar to my issues, which really kinda just fixed itself after a few launches.

[plucky cipher]

Here's hoping, shaders getting stuck compiling isn't helping my issues either haha, rip to my friends who see me launch the game several times

[hearty pollen]

No, but thats typically solved with the last hotfixes and deleting the shaders once.

[plucky cipher]

Crashed again, will run a few more tests, i would send the crash log but images arent allowed here it seems

[hearty pollen]

Darn it.

[plucky cipher]

my thoughts exactly 😂

[hearty pollen]

hrm... you have the last 1.1.2 patch right? just have to make sure.

[plucky cipher]

Updated the game earlier today, so I should? Not sure how I could check for an update on steam

[hearty pollen]

Yeah thats probably all good then

[high quarry]

Gonna try my RAM at 6200 CL28 for a bit.

[plucky cipher]

I've made it approximately 3 feet further out the door of the traders in zalissya, I think I'm just gonna keep waiting for any form of optimization whatsoever lmao, they definitely should have just delayed the game longer to iron everything out

[hearty pollen]

Damn. That sucks, im kinda out of ideas here. Same result with a older save too?

[plucky cipher]

Haven't loaded an older save, that's the last thing I'm gonna try before throwing in the towel

[plucky cipher]

Didn't even load, crashed immediately, throwing in the towel for now lmao

[high quarry]

None of my saves worked on 1.1, 1.1.1 patch fixed it.

[hearty pollen]

Okay, but that also tells me youre hit by the savegame not working bug. Which is suposedly fixed in the last 1.1.2 patch.

[hearty pollen]

^

[high quarry]

All seems ok at CL28
https://i.imgur.com/3Ih0f74.jpeg

[rare temple]

Someone did a video on the B580 with Stalker 2. He does 1440p and 1080p with it. It looks like the best way to play this game on the B580 is with frame gen on depending on which upscaler you use. He seems to prefer XeSS over FSR and with FSR Frame Gen on. 1440p epic, Xess:Qual, FSR FG On nets around 80 to 90 fps. At 1080p, Epic Settings, XeSS: Qual, FSR FG:On, he was getting around 110 fps. He didn't mention if input lag was an issue, but I would think as long as the non-FG FPS is above 60, you should be good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzKgkiPiBuU

[high quarry]

I know its for benchmark purposes, but Epic is silly on an entry level card 🙂

[spare coral]

XeSS works and looks better on intel cards thats why
XeSS for the rest of gpus is emulating and not the true XeSS

[dusk brook]

truly a weird time era, Intel with a good GPU...
if only it stays at MSRP though. Most likely hit 450 bucks equivalent when reaching south east asia, tax, price gauging and all the jazz. Sigh...

[high quarry]

I think I prefer r.FidelityFX.FSR3.Sharpness quite high:

https://i.imgur.com/qRiXxRe.jpeg

[agile harbor]

I'm booting up now with an Ultra preset

from the Editor

[high quarry]

Most tweaked thing on ultra is the GI

and shadows

[agile harbor]

Oh, oh yeah. This is hitting the GPU much harder. SK no longer telling me i'm CPU bound.

[high quarry]

😄

[agile harbor]

Framerate down to mid 80's and frametime up to 13ms or so. Feels more sluggish, for sure.

https://i.imgur.com/KhgrJJp.jpeg

Actually its improved a bit and feeling better

[high quarry]

Settled on FSR sharpening of 0.9
https://i.imgur.com/7UXTYA3.jpeg

gist updated:
https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/68d6fc7735db45e892b4f2d2fb9d0b6d

https://i.imgur.com/KbRxcua.jpeg

[jade grotto]

Should my gpu be almost maxxed out and my cpu at like 16% with stalker 2?

[agile harbor]

That sounds ideal for any game

[jade grotto]

true lol

Anyone else notice a little bit of wierdness with a controller after 1.1?

[agile harbor]

don't play with a controller, sorry

[high quarry]

Slimed: https://i.imgur.com/GEs6UCe.jpeg

[steep hatch]

Can anyone confirm whether you all are having an issue with the Hud flickering/refreshing all wonky like with Frame gen enabled

it started after patch 1.1 but it may just be something iv'e induced as well

[high quarry]

nope

[steep hatch]

Roger that, Ima just do a clean reinstall then, because I found out the hardway that removing pak file mods don't actually disable them apparently either.

btw, its kinda insane how much better TSR@65-70% quality renderscale looks in comparision to every other option, (unless about Nvidia's because im on Radeon) but damnn

unsure*

[high quarry]

FSR at 77% with 0.9 sharpen looks ok: https://i.imgur.com/gyHjjrv.jpeg

[late ferry]

cwayne1989 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[steep hatch]

oh jfc

Dude that looks so much better than mine with FSR and sharpness applied

I normally keep my sharpness around there on other games but on stalker it makes mine look like ass

[high quarry]

not the in game sharpness slider

r.FidelityFX.FSR3.Sharpness=0.9

[steep hatch]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[lavish mason]

so for a hour or so gaming i believed i was getting the sparkly white dots gpu shader error. turns out it was 1: being inside with motes of dust graphics and 2: unshielded radiation artifact (counteracted by my suit being decent enough to not take damage) giving off the beta radiation effect.

topkek

[steep hatch]

Now were cookin, thats under....Appdata/ RIght?

or the game files?

[high quarry]

whole Engine.ini with all the FSR settings set:

https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/68d6fc7735db45e892b4f2d2fb9d0b6d

[steep hatch]

Now I gotta question, if I just use your Engine.ini can i still go in the settings menu and change anything without it over-writing the whole damn file?

[high quarry]

no, the file overrides the others.

[steep hatch]

So I need to edit anything I wanna change in the ini from now on is what you're saying?

oh wait, nevermind I see what youre getting at

[high quarry]

yeh, or take them out..

[steep hatch]

Okay, Ima just try it as is first, Im still gonna do a fresh install of everything, because I still got files mixed in from when they pushed their devtool out with an update, which sadly won't load past the intro logos anymore =[

There little gsc dev tool was fun while it lasted

[tawny thicket]

Just tried using your settings generator in another UE5 game and it work s pretty well

In that game too (ark ascended)

[lavish mason]

colesyM is a gpu whisperer

[steep hatch]

Hey that's why I love the PC community man, all about helping each other out

Our kinds gotta stick together, especially when every other game releasing these days requires us to get it functioning properly XD

[lavish mason]

hell no! flexing on scrubs who haev a slightly worse pc while deriding money wasters who have one better!

[steep hatch]

hahahaha nicceeeee

[lavish mason]

but coming together to laugh at console enjoyers all the same

[tawny thicket]

At least until someone realizes that you have a 7600XT/4060 TIE 8GB / 4060

[lavish mason]

i jest

[steep hatch]

Oh yeah, well you're not as cool as me, matching 5700's 5700x3d/Radeon 5700XT, Eat it scrub

The matching gives me better hruspurs

man the 4060 would be such a better card if nvidia was so stingey on VRAM. I cant get over there being cards launched in 2025 that still have 8gb as well. I think both AMD and Nvidia have 8gb cards coming up, Intel is the only one with a brain anymore when it comes to VRAM which is crazy

[lavish mason]

nvidia maintain a 60% profit margin on consumer gpu sales.

which is wild for any other seller of goods

[steep hatch]

Yeah, I think everyone could tell Nvidia was just being greedy to be greedy.. and with AMD pulling outta the top end, its gonna get worse

[lavish mason]

itll be the worst gen for a while imo in terms of value, with amd not competing with the top end nvidia ones this time, and gddr7 being expensive

2 grand 5090 anyone?

[tawny thicket]

2???????????? you sure its not 4??????????

[lavish mason]

2.5k maybe because fck

[steep hatch]

Ill be honest, I can't stand Nvidia. and I used to like them, but that company started going to hell even before Jensen took over. Does anyone remember back when AMD was still ATI and Nvidia was paying games to put weird ass tech that done nothing but tank performance on ATI cards

[lavish mason]

once the 3rd party cards drop add 50 regardless, right

[steep hatch]

They've always been shady as ****

[tawny thicket]

jensen was ALWAYS there

[lavish mason]

hairworkx, never forgive, never forget

[agile harbor]

if its MSRP is $2k or above, I might sit this one out. And I've been buying flagships since 8800GTX.

[steep hatch]

Was he still there then?????

[tawny thicket]

he is the founder so yeah he has been there even back then

[steep hatch]

Wait, I thought he was just ceo, not founder

Well, that all makes sense then.

[tawny thicket]

well CO-founder 🤓 (IIRC)

[lavish mason]

fond memories of picking up a 8800 GTS 512 later in that generation

[agile harbor]

Ahh, back in the day

[steep hatch]

and if we wanna get even more tinfoil hat, him and lisa are cousins, makes me wonder if that wasn't on purpose so it could be bought up cheap and Lisa take over

[lavish mason]

back when a high end gpu was 500 max, and the 70 series was 300

[tawny thicket]

" Does anyone remember back when AMD was still ATI and Nvidia was paying games to put weird ass tech that done nothing but tank performance on ATI cards"isnt that what RT is for???

[steep hatch]

Bro I remember back when I went from an MX440 to an ATi 9800Pro... I thought I was hot shit back then hahah

[lavish mason]

their shared great grandad is actually Mr 3d Render himself

[tawny thicket]

to cripple AMD perf (at least until RDNA4)

[agile harbor]

No leather jacket! 🤣 https://youtu.be/Xn1EsFe7snQ

[lavish mason]

no, its forcing their datacentre stuff onto gamers and finding a thing for the tensor cores to do; ray tracing badly

[steep hatch]

But now to be fair, AMD's performance on RT is a joke...Intels second gen cards prove that AMD should have been way better by now;.

[lavish mason]

but also, beneficially, marketting makes amd look bad too

[agile harbor]

To be entirely honest, I'm at least interested in how the future of game rendering is going to change. Of course we're seeing glimpses of it already but its only going to keep moving. Nvidia sees no future for traditional native rendering.

[tawny thicket]

i think its just that AMD really struggles with less coherent RT

[lavish mason]

until amd gets gpu chiplets working i cant see them beating nvidia with a monolithic die

[tawny thicket]

just judging from what Mark Cerney said on the PS5 Pro deep dive thing

[lavish mason]

maybe. they just saw a way to elverege their tech advantage and forced it onto gamers with a huige marketting push about 3 or 4 gens too early for it to be any good

[agile harbor]

Jensen's keynote at CES should be interesting.

[steep hatch]

I hope they have a breakthrough with RDNA4, and the early rumors seemed to lean that direction, but the most recent ones are kinda a letdown if true..

[lavish mason]

aint noone runnin gproper ray tracing on a 20 series card

[steep hatch]

No, Nvidia just lied out their ass like always theere

[tawny thicket]

thats why in lighter (like shadows,RTGI) RT AMD isnt that far behind nvidia

[lavish mason]

always prepare for the early amd gpu rumours to be pie in the sky copium, and the reality to be they are slightly behind nvidia at launch so knock 50 quid off

then over time they usually end up better performers

[tawny thicket]

what kind of rumor came out that would be a letdown if true?

[steep hatch]

I cant wait to see what Intel's gonna be cooking up if they can scale their B580 up to another tier or so.. The underlying tech at least to me seems like they got something on their hands there.

[agile harbor]

This is how everything works. I don't look at the present what any of this stuff does for gamers today, that's short sighted. Nvidia saw the future of an eventually fully path traced game engine years ago and with baby steps, we're almost there.

You have to see what something like Indiana Jones in Full RT (PT) mode looks like, its absolutely unbelievable. And its only going to get better. I'm pumped as hell for what we'll have in a decade.

[steep hatch]

and it RUNS GOOD, which is a main thing.

[lavish mason]

i dont believe the gaming section was ever leading the development onf tensor

we jsut get the cast off silicon and thuis, seeing as that was their big 800% per annum growth sector, they could also push it to gamers

[agile harbor]

Absolutely not, but currently all of this is happening in parallel.

Anyway, the point for me is to look at things long term. Gaming isn't going anywhere and Nvidia is sure as sh*t going to keep themselves planted in the lead.

[steep hatch]

Hey that works tho, that's essentially how I got my AMD4 upgrade so if it keeps the tech following and cuts down on waste/costs im all for it.

[late ferry]

duckslayer has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[steep hatch]

Wolf is an ass >___>

[lavish mason]

ar se is a bad word now. christ this is an 18 rated game where you shoot hundreds of humans in the head in cold blood, but i cant say a r s e

[steep hatch]

Trust me bro, I wanna strangle it through my computer

[agile harbor]

think of the children!

[lavish mason]

pearl clutch engaged

[steep hatch]

and it sucks as someone that cusses like a salior in real life and type just how they talk, it gets me every damn time.

[lavish mason]

ccc

[steep hatch]

So is the TSMC plant they're building here in the states actually gonna manufacture anything related to high end CPUs/GPUs or is just to offload higher nm orders?

because I'm kinda worried about even being able to grab a next gen card since this tarrif bull* is about to go in effect and screw the pricing up on everything tech related

[lavish mason]

2nm node in phoenix

[steep hatch]

ooohhhh niceee

[lavish mason]

so apple's chips presumably

[steep hatch]

it will never not blow my mind how we essentially took sand and somehow passed electricity through it for really ******* complicated math haha

at a scale of nm's now days...like what the f*** its insane bro

[haughty vigil]

[lavish mason]

"As one of TSMC’s advanced fabs, TSMC Arizona will play a vital role in the U.S. government’s goal to onshore semiconductor manufacturing and strengthen national economic competitiveness. TSMC Arizona’s first fab will operate it’s leading-edge semiconductor process technology (N4 process), starting. production in the first half of 2025. The second fab will utilize its leading edge N3 and N2 process technology and be operational in 2028. The recently announced third fab will manufacture chips using 2nm or even more advanced process technology, with production starting by the end of the decade. TSMC Arizona will be able to produce semiconductor wafers for its valued customers using the most advanced process capabilities in the country. "

[lavish mason]

magic thinking sand, with mind bogglingly large amount of components. no you cant meet the 10 people on the planet who understand how it works.

[steep hatch]

hahah if there's even 10, I'd be conviced only 1 or 2 truly know and the rest are like nod the head yes
I know my peon brain will never fully comprehind it haha

but I sure as hell can appreicate it

[lavish mason]

closest ive ever got is zooming out on a factorio megabase

looks a bit like a die shot 😄

[steep hatch]

"Baby's first CPU die" lmao

[glass vault]

Factorio is the best autism game.

[lavish mason]

ok so tsmc arizona 4nm fab 21 is currently producing limited amounts of Apple A16 Bionic on N4P (5nm)

[steep hatch]

Duck, since you might know the answer to this, If I wanted to try and port the dev tool they pushed out a few patches go which was running on 1.0.5 when the rest of teh game was on 1.0.3 and it still worked, Where would I start to possibly port it from 1.0.5 to the current 1.11 patch? It was its own Stalker Win-Test.exe... would I just open that and the newest exe in like Ghirda and compare the changes maybe? @agile harbor @high quarry (If you all get a moment)

[lavish mason]

im not your guy for that 😄

[steep hatch]

haha Im not the person to even be trying it either but i like to dick around every now and then and see what i can break haha

[lavish mason]

one of the wizards might know. Erm, yer man guiltyspark or colesym

[steep hatch]

Hey yeee hey yeee wizards. I call upon theee. Just dont let wolf know or he might report the gods and my tongue get cut out again lmao

I had to use gsc ask to ask if they would give my permission to chat back haha

[lavish mason]

😄

[steep hatch]

I mean guys..you cant expect to leak something like a dev tool and not expect me to play with it

[lavish mason]

i asked if they woudl lower the slowmode to encourage community chat, next day the 2 minute timer was gone. good eggs GSC

[steep hatch]

For real... I'm thorughly impressed with how they're handling everything. I stg they must not ever sleep

[lavish mason]

ngl though when i was compiler crashing for a day i may have added some .....strange email addresses as part of the bug report

[e-mail]

[agile harbor]

holy cow i found a 21 round drum mag for the ||saiga||

[steep hatch]

hahaha I got lucky there and the fix on nexus specific for that error fixed mine

[late ferry]

cwayne1989 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[steep hatch]

dfakls;jfkldasjklfjadskl;fjadsl;kfjldaksfjlk;dsajflk;dsajfkld;sjfl;dksj sighhh

[lavish mason]

https://c.tenor.com/6TKu0E5SMQAAAAAd/tenor.gif

[quartz prism]

My game keeps crashing

[agile harbor]

Just rolled the end credits at 121 hours. Don't think I could explain what happened until another playthough but bravo all the same.

[lavish mason]

breekis were cheekied

[steep hatch]

plz no spoilers haha, im gonna restart since I wasn't very far and stuff is working much better now

[sand pagoda]

anyone know how to fix the weird outline you get on weapons when it's dark/rainy?

[agile harbor]

no worries, enjoy

Looking forward to a replay already but first, Indiana Jones is calling

[plucky vapor]

Damn, still stuck at shader compilation, tried many of the recommended shader cache clearing recs. 😭

[steep hatch]

just disable that sh** entirely bro

After the first time it just wastes your time anyways

There's a pak file mod on nexus you can install that gets rid of it entirely.

[nimble cobalt]

I did some bit of performance test, there are instances where my fps randomly drops to 10fps on settlements or areas heavily filled with npcs particularly enemies. However, the fps goes back to normal when I go to the menu and open settings and take some bit of a look over at the tabs.

[flint perch]

you could try doing No warmup shader compile

[visual terrace]

hmm very weird. the game works fine for the rest of us. are you sure its not a mod conflict

[craggy seal]

i cant get past the first shader conpile

[sand nimbus]

Go away dog man

I thought we went over this already, go go

[visual terrace]

Mak pls I’m just here to help

[dire lion]

Finally compile shader bug cought up to me💀

[grave radish]

LOL after the latest patch i got the memory leak within less than a minute, twice in a row. game is utterly chalked

[grave radish]

Plenty of people having this bug since the patch

[visual terrace]

Hmm very strange indeed. Works fine for me. Are you sure it’s not a mod conflict?

[sand nimbus]

Haven't tested newest patch yet because obviously the next one is a few days away lol , but yeah not worth it rn to play

[sterile basin]

For me it corrupted my every game save, so yeah, dont try it that fast xD

[spare coral]

Hmm very strange indeed. Works fine for me. Are you sure it’s not a mod conflict?

[sterile basin]

Doesn't work even after game reinstall without mods, so waiting for some hotfix

There is a thread about it on reddit, and some people findout, that their post SIRCAA saves broke down

[ionic coral]

So... I turned on my pc and tried to launch stalker and now I get "directx12 rhi is required to use this project". Anyone else getting this? or know a solution? is it related to the latest patch?

[south light]

I guess the best option is to wait 3-4 months and check back before starting a new game every patch

[sand nimbus]

Truth

[steep hatch]

Man I sure as **** love Windows 11 24H2, said no one expect people that enjoy CBT, Hell I would enjoy that more than dealing with this ****

except*... this is so stupid...you go under my pc, if you have it full screened and click the ... next to view...what does it do, send the damn menu UP...outta your view..instead of down like EVERY OTHER MENU

And this copy of Windows 11 was built with 24h2 so I can't even uninstall this garbage.

[snow torrent]

13700k and 4090. Friend has major problems with the gpu usage. is the 13700k bottlenecking? Anyone else here with the same spec?

he's on 4k btw

[steep hatch]

The game is extremely cpu limited right now. and if he's on 4k high/epic its gonna CPU bottleneck

way before it does that 4090

[snow torrent]

yeah I thought so

[steep hatch]

Even tho 4k is gonna prevent him from cpu bottlenecking as quickly as lower res its weird

[high quarry]

I have seen people on 7800x3D be very CPU limited too.
I am not CPU limited at all on 9800x3D.
Which is odd, because the delta between those CPUs isnt that huge.

[snow torrent]

I have a 7800x3d and 4080 and been having around 30 fps more than him. so I thought so the 13700k is bottlenecking earlier then the 7800x3d

[steep hatch]

He can easily tell if its CPU bottleneck, tell him to lower his res to 1080p and see if his framerate stays the same

if it does cpu, if it dont gpu

[high quarry]

Well the 7800x3D is quite a bit faster than 13700k, we know this already.

What should happen is, the lower the resolution/upscaling, the GPU usage should stay at 99/100%, and the FPS should noticeably increase every time.

Until you hit an fps where CPU cant keep up, and GPU usage drops.

For me, thats around 350fps in settlements, and 420fps out of them.

[steep hatch]

It wont go up if he's truely cpu bottlenecked tho, thats why cpu tests are conducted at 1080p instead of high res's

[high quarry]

1080p with upscaling should be massively more fps.

[steep hatch]

I couldn't imagine tryna run this game at 4k anyways, maybe its just me, but I dont see a reasoning behind 4k on desktops since tpyically you're on what? 27-34in monitor maybe? now, tvs..yes

[high quarry]

i.e:
https://i.imgur.com/bGslUAp.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/IA50bw4.jpeg

[snow torrent]

I think 1440p is still king. with DLAA it looks close to 4k. I have a 1440p oled and a 4k ips

[steep hatch]

^This, perfect sweet spot

And then there's me, rocking this 60hz OC'd to 72hz shittastic curved samsung panel I got from walmart for like 160$ 25 years ago it seems like..

[high quarry]

Too GPU demanding for most though, on 160hz+ monitors.

It's why I go for a balanced set of settings, with moderate upscaling + framgen, that keeps it looking sharp with still Epic levels of lighting, so I can play at 140-180fps:

https://i.imgur.com/wUVvD3i.jpeg

[steep hatch]

I have noticed since this last patch Ive been able to tweak a few more settings to high and keep the same-ish fps.. so they definitely are optimizing it better, and that's with the ai actually doing stuff now as well.

which im all for on my aging 5700xt haha

Im gonna have to go through your engine file and modify it some, because my card cant handle that thing as it is 😛

[high quarry]

I do want to see if I can have another go at a 6GB VRAM profile later, if I can nuke the lumen VRAM usage enough and fallback to directional wherever possible.

[steep hatch]

See thats another reason I wanna get that debug tool working again, it had options to do all that crap, including forcing a high render and lighting distance.. thats one thing that drives me crazy about this game is the pop-in

[high quarry]

I have a previous profile, called Mashed Potato. Its a potato quality baseline, but with the most important visuals turned up a bit. Easier to run than the balanced one from yesterday.

This: https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/566bd473abb07eb8e4103f81e167c9e3

I would try that, but copy the FSR settings from the other

[steep hatch]

sweet, will do

[high quarry]

This is from that profile: https://i.imgur.com/81ya2Q1.jpeg

This is that profile, but better reflections: https://i.imgur.com/TWcf4w7.jpeg

[lapis niche]

Is the newest "mini patch" out of game pass yet? I'm on version 1.7.724.0. Could someone please confirm 🙏

[ionic coral]

nobody knows how to fix "Error: project requires DX12

DX12 RHI use is required by the project, but it is not supported, or failed to choose a valid graphics adapter" ?

Sadly my googling isnt showing up with answers... swear im spending more time trying to fix issues with this game than playing it

[high quarry]

Which graphics card and OS?

[spare coral]

What gpu

[ionic coral]

4090

everything updated now. drivers and windows etc.

[visual terrace]

DDU the driver then reinstalling the newest one

[visual terrace]

sounds like a software issue and the only thing i can think of is a driver malfunction

[lavish mason]

Could it be trying to use a igpu?

[ionic coral]

well that sucks lol... so odd. everything was fine yesterday. only thing that changed was the hotfix.

[high quarry]

You can tell it which GPU to use:
https://i.imgur.com/ffiia6Z.png

[ionic coral]

i'll give it a shot. ty

[visual terrace]

oh its the only game with this issue?

[ionic coral]

well it's the only game I have tried so far that I know uses 12, but everything was fine yesterday playing. logged off, turned on pc today and suddenly this happened (absolutely nothing but the hotfix has changed)

I then obv tried to update drivers/windows, but it did nothing

[visual terrace]

hmm, i have the same GPU. let me open the game and see if anything like that has happened. i updated but havent touched it since like a week after launch

hmm it works for me. i still think its the game tho. try the DDU first

[high quarry]

This is almost always a driver thing.
Either studio driver is installed, or game ready driver is in a messed up state.
DDU is best thing to try first.

[ionic coral]

i'll give it a shot, ty all, but it seems odd that the only thing that changed was the hotfix + all I can seem to find about the issue is related to stalker 2 (tho it seems to date back 20 days ago)

Upd: just tried to launch cyberpunk (which is also directx12 only). and that ran fine

[patent citrus]

memory leak issues are hecking atrocious rn, the game freezed and then I looked at it's stats in Task Manager, game used up 24,800 Mb of RAM and it kept increasing.

[hearty pollen]

Framegen on?

[patent citrus]

off, only DLSS 2.0 in quality mode + 45 fps framerate cap

[hearty pollen]

Ouch. Turning FG off solved all my memleaks issues

[full charm]

After the latest update I get this issue too. FG is off. It has happened to me twice so far while I was in the chest menu

[jovial igloo]

Was hoping the last few patches would help, but still facing compiling shaders errors. Having to Disc Cleanup and manually remove my saved folder from local in order to get the game to work. Hopefully they can figure out the issue soon!

[agile harbor]

Seen that a couple times but just killing the task and starting again its been fine.

[prime sinew]

saved files corrupted after 1.1.2 update ?

[full charm]

I didn't even get to kill the task. My whole PC froze and I had to restart it.

[jovial igloo]

Nah not for me, its been a run around restarting PC and clearing caches. Just built my PC a few days ago and got worried that this was normal for PC gaming 😂 but I think its just bad luck that this is my first PC game ive ever played

[agile harbor]

That seems like a more severe, possibly not directly related to the game issue.

[agile harbor]

Horrible for someone new to the hobby.

Sad trend towards rushed and therefore broken on release AAA games but its not always the case.

[full charm]

I've only had this problem since the latest patch. I can therefore rule out a major problem with my PC, as all other games work without any problems.

[jovial igloo]

Im trying not to damper my mood! Respect for the devs working hard. Love the game so far when I can play, and PC gaming is already a lot funner than Xbox as I built it with my two hands 🙂

[craggy seal]

my first time shader compile is stuck at pretty much the beginning

[dusk brook]

first time took me 2h...
do we need to re do the whole thing after update? =S
oh well... took me whole day of download, 2 more hour is nothing at this point

[high quarry]

Full shader compile usually takes 5-10 mins.

[flat brook]

Do yourself a favor, play a game that you used to enjoy on the Xbox, just to keep the spirits up

[craggy seal]

what about second times?
bc if its this much of a pain imma just replay the first stalker

[craggy seal]

any fixes to actually get that?

[lost owl]

After the first time loading, it should be less every time you start the game

[craggy seal]

so just restart it every few minutes

[lavish mason]

Second time it's much faster, minute or 2 tops.

In my experience it'll be longer again if you change any graphics presets

[lavish mason]

That's how I brute forced the compiler freeze. Each restart got a bit further. Annoying workaround that doesn't seem necessarily repeatable but worth a shot if it moves the bar for you

[craggy seal]

wtf 😭
after 15 years gsc still hasnt learned optimization

[lavish mason]

I think this is essentially new GSC, it the OG team. but yeah it needs some optimisation. There's mods available to skip it though, might be the next port of call to try

[craggy seal]

i just wanna see if i can run it first

[hollow yacht]

So the sudden fps drop to single digits is still existing even after 1.1

Anyone else?

[lavish mason]

Yes, loads

[high quarry]

none.

[agile harbor]

none here

but you should be able to tie it to what your system is doing at the time. System RAM or VRAM capped out?

[cold cipher]

I have some problems with the shader load starting the game... 2 out of 3 frezes but the performance is way better... and a some crashes...

[ionic coral]

"Error: project requires DX12
DX12 RHI use is required by the project, but it is not supported, or failed to choose a valid graphics adapter"

Adding this in case someone else searches for this issue. I have NOT fixed it. I updated windows, drivers, deleted shader caches, checked that my card was being used (4090), checked my dxi version (12), and then I also tested other dx12 games (all functioned as they should), and reinstalled the game.

No idea how or why this happened (I did not change anything prior to this issue happening. and the only thing that changed was the hotfix). Im just done at this point.

if someone encounter the same issue and manages to fix it, @ me please. Until then imma just shelf this game.

[fleet wraith]

Man I'm using a modified version of the engine.ini post on Reddit and with the new CPU it's running great and looking better

I started a new game just to avoid bugs so we'll see if Ray reconstruction breaks later

[hearty pollen]

Aren't you on a 9800x3d? It takes ~3-4 mins here on a fresh shader cacheing
. That's really odd...

[fleet wraith]

9800x3d took me about 1.5 min on the first load

[hearty pollen]

Yeah that's more what I expected

[fleet wraith]

Significantly shorter after that. (It was a first load because I deleted out shaders after upgrading my computer)

[hearty pollen]

Given my 7800x3d takes Ish 3 mins (first load yes)

[fleet wraith]

But yeah I also took a lot of that engine tweak stuff from Reddit and it looks nicer. I had vram to spare which helped

[high quarry]

Just deleted all cache files, lets see

With every single shader cache file deleted in safe mode, it took 7m15s

[lavish mason]

Similar to mine with a 5600 non X after deleting all cache files, was 8 mins dead

[high quarry]

After that (launching again), it takes 18 seconds.

[lavish mason]

My relaunch is more like 45 secs though

[high quarry]

Makes sense. 9800x3D is at 5.415ghz, with 6200 CL28

[hearty pollen]

Why on earth is it this slow?

Not at home, so can't measure it as we speak, but 7 mins sounds like a eternity.

[high quarry]

It is pretty long, but its the very first launch.

[hearty pollen]

Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

[high quarry]

< 20 seconds after that is fine.

[hearty pollen]

But im not talking about post fresh install.

[opaque moat]

just bought and installed the game, shaders didnt take 7 mins on first start for sure

[inner citrus]

Hi guys , is there any known solution for this bug ?
tl;dr - 'Take shelter from the emission' quest is bugged and won't end, leaving a marker on my map.

[hearty pollen]

I mean if depends a lot on cpu. In this case, I have a weaker cpu than @high quarry and apparently a faster shader cache time. Which makes absolutely no sense.

[high quarry]

Well, it also involves GPU.
My CPU speeds are in line with where they should be:

https://i.imgur.com/GYuIomV.png

[hearty pollen]

Indeed, but you have a significantly stronger gpu.

[cedar ibex]

I have a question, ever since the update whenever I play the game offline, the game runs fine but at some (within the minimum range at least) 1hr or so at that point it freezes the game and at the same time it takes away parts of my hard drive memory space temporarily till I force shut down it using task manager.

Does anyone know this phenomenon with this unusual crash?

[opaque moat]

i have the 14900k and Crucial T705 loaded in about 4-5 mins

[high quarry]

it means you are running out of RAM.

[cedar ibex]

Referring to me or.... (if thats the case can you explain?)

[high quarry]

When you run out of ram (or almost), it starts using your storage device for virtual memory.

[hearty pollen]

Yeah, your case. Running out of ram, and Windows starts offloading to your storage unit. Slow, but stops the system from crashing.

[cedar ibex]

but this phenomenon never happens until post 1.1 update..hmm

[hearty pollen]

Probably not, but the likely culprit is a memory leak which has plagued the game from day 0.

[cedar ibex]

really so... this talk referring to memory leak from days ago is something I am possibly experiencing right now?

[hearty pollen]

Seemingly so. Again, it's been there since day 0, so you have likely been lucky so far.

[high quarry]

For a lot of people its when they interact with their storage box, next to bed.

[cedar ibex]

yes most of my freezes happens when I sift through and manage my storage box for longer periods of time after a big inventory haul I got from going around

[lavish mason]

Good Info to know

[opaque moat]

devs would have fixed the issue by now, feels like its UE5

[lavish mason]

Dip your in game storage boxes in creosote to avoid memory leaks

[cedar ibex]

Ah ok so I am assuming its something that has not yet been addressed right? If so then .... waiting for a hot fix? or is it something that UE tools can... mitigate?

[high quarry]

I havnt seen it yet, but I am running 48GB RAM.

[opaque moat]

looks like the devs released what...4-5 patches already...would have been fixed if they could.

[hearty pollen]

Eeeh, avoid the storage as much as you can, and maybe do it in quick batches with a reboot or something? A hotfix is likely not coming anytime soon, based on current patching trend.

[opaque moat]

it wont be a hotfix.

[hearty pollen]

Sure, semantics.

[cedar ibex]

Ok thanks, for the info imma reduce or clean up the storage I guess lol

[hearty pollen]

Funnily I've had every single problem imaginable with this game so far, but never the storage box issue. And I promise you, mine is soooo loaded, every unique weapon, every individual weapon, several thousands of most rounds, hundreds of each type of food, water, vodka, energy drinks, nades, stims, bandages, more or less every type of item in the entire game. Can sit in my storage box for hours and sort without issues.

[cedar ibex]

I had tons in my storage box full of broken guns in red and yellow condition just to wait till I head to Rostok to sell it to ragman... like too many to count so maybe I need to sell them as soon as possible.... been holding them for too long lol

[hearty pollen]

Amusing. Red guns are typically not worth it unless you're close to a storage unit honestly, but it surely adds up throughout the game.

[robust ember]

I had that problem at release. After 1.0.3 I had no such issue

[high quarry]

I wonder why poppy field is so hard to render... https://i.imgur.com/C7A1MTL.jpeg

its 20-30fps lower than other places

[inner citrus]

Do you have any suggestion on how to use the Dev Console and try to fix it ?

[robust ember]

I tried force ending the quest through console but it didn’t work. Only thing I can really suggest is loading an autosave previous to the emission, and not saving/loading during the emission

[hearty pollen]

I've had that marker stuck since one of the earlier emissions, but new ones works fine regardless, so I'm just ignoring it.

[robust ember]

I know it’s kind of a pain in the ass but previous to the patches it’s the only thing that worked for me

[inner citrus]

Indeed ! Im trying any combination of QSID and SID steps , Im able to reproduce any single step of the quest , but the marker is still there on the map
And from what I can see there is no such a command that get or set any marker on the map

[wintry needle]

Wait wait, there's a guy who buys broken weapons!? 😲

[cedar ibex]

Yeh names Ragman in Rostok....shit this is a channel for no spoilers lol....

[jade grotto]

there we go. 90-99 fps with steady everything.

even though im running a 165 monitor im guessing this is the best stalker can do atm

[high quarry]

depends on your GPU, and settings..

[hearty pollen]

Yeah, ragman in Rostok. Pretty nice albeit you don't really get much for them, it's typically not worth it unless you're close to a storage box imo

[high quarry]

I am playing along happily on a 160hz capped to 159.2fps

[jade grotto]

lol. nm i spoke too soon. apparently now you cant skip dialogue

nm i am just a derp lol

[hearty pollen]

Yeah no that's a bug. With varying degrees

[jade grotto]

silly question. but what temps are your alls gpu and cpu getting to when running stalker?

[high quarry]

60 CPU, 70 GPU (hotspot)

[hearty pollen]

75 Ish cpu and 88 Ish Hotspot on gpu. 7800x3d and rtx 4070.

[tawny thicket]

actually never bother looking at that,i'll check now though

[spare coral]

90 in hotspot of my gpu but here where i live its like 40c

[tawny thicket]

CPU 73c just entering the slag heap

[wintry needle]

70 GPU (6700xt), 55-60 CPU (5600x air)

[spare coral]

70 normal temp
90 hotspot
Cpu is at 60c

[tawny thicket]

stock CPU cooler (R5 5600G) rx 66600 67 hotspot : 84c

[high quarry]

GPU is 47

GPU Hotspot is 62

[tawny thicket]

also FSR AA (tweaked) looks sooooooooooooooo crisp in this game

[high quarry]

yep, if you adjust the FSR sharpness

[spare coral]

I have an oem 6700 10gb
It doesnt have one of the best cooler but it does its work

[tawny thicket]

or maybe thats just from me playing ark SMEAR ascended for 6hours today

[high quarry]

My GPU runs very cool, got this model:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/BtkH99/powercolor-hellhound-oc-radeon-rx-7800-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx-7800-xt-16g-loc

[tawny thicket]

i actually have that set to 0.0 and i have the in game one set to 30%

[high quarry]

I would do it the other way around

I have in game 0, FSR 0.9

https://i.imgur.com/gyHjjrv.jpeg

[tawny thicket]

and then i have the driver level sharpening set to 10%

[high quarry]

I dont have it set in the driver, I have it set in the ini

[tawny thicket]

i feel like its already on the edge of being oversharpened

but i'll try the FSR sharpening

(i dont think i'll look much better for me)

[high quarry]

https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/68d6fc7735db45e892b4f2d2fb9d0b6d

Try everything under ;--FSR-- here

[jade grotto]

mine is about the same as your alls.i have an aio cooler too. should it be lower?

[tawny thicket]

depends : if you have a 14900K then 70c on an AIO would make perfect sence but if its a R5 7600 no

[jade grotto]

i have a ryzen 9 7900x3d

[tawny thicket]

i think its fine

( I dont remember how much power it cosumes)

[tawny thicket]

i tried 0.3 and set the shapness in game to 0% and i cant see whats changed

also i havent yet updated the settings generator

i also decided to try bad oldie TAA and i feel like i want to throw up

[high quarry]

if you have console enabled, try it in there, 1 is max, 0.9 is quite high

[tawny thicket]

i'm loading 0.9 (FSR sharpness) up now

[high quarry]

The difference is very obvious

[tawny thicket]

i dont know how to do that

[high quarry]

You need UETools mod for that

[tawny thicket]

but sometimes taking FSR sharpness up makes it lose fine detail

[high quarry]

I found it it adds it, look at the cross cross pattern on the metal floor: https://i.imgur.com/gyHjjrv.jpeg

UETools with shader warmup disable removed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ImfmwGOtiRUr-B6jv8z7Kw3Pv9MHr72c/view?usp=sharing

[tawny thicket]

i think 0 sharpness would look the same there, and i more so meant stuff like a power line 20meters ahead

[tawny thicket]

where does that go?

[high quarry]

I am stood right in front of lines going across, ill do a 0.0 vs 1.0

[tawny thicket]

does that go to where all the other pak/UCAS files go?

[high quarry]

0: https://i.imgur.com/CI6rsTQ.jpeg
1: https://i.imgur.com/Cu1lY1D.jpeg

Doesnt seem to mess with it too bad

The distant ones on the left are slightly less visible

[high quarry]

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 Heart of Chornobyl\Stalker2\Content\Paks\~mods

not the zip, the files inside the zip

Then in game, F10, and you can use any console command without restarting game, and try all these settings on the fly

[tawny thicket]

i have done that in other games

[hollow kettle]

Random question but does anyone know if I should have nvidia reflex low latency set to enabled or enabled + boost with Frame Gen enabled? I have i5-13600kf + 4060 if that matters. Not just for this game either just in general

[tawny thicket]

YES absolutly

[main igloo]

I have both enabled and haven't noticed any issues

[hollow kettle]

Should it be enabled or enabled + boost though?

[tawny thicket]

enabled reduces latency by a significant amount boost decreases it further

[high quarry]

boost just means max power
in general its just limiting queue frames to 1

[hollow kettle]

I’m not very knowledgeable when it comes to hardware technicalities or terms sorry lol

[tawny thicket]

but i have never used REFLEX because i'm on AMD and AMD cards cant use it

but i do know what it does (reduce latency)

[hollow kettle]

So what does it mean for on + boost when it says limits queued frames to 1 in cpu bound scenarios

CPU bottleneck or?

Bc I really feel like my 4060 holds back my cpu if anything

I always have 99% gpu usage with only 10-40% cpu usage

Not sure if this is good or bad

[high quarry]

A limited frame queue means the frame you are seeing has just been rendered, and isnt old/stale, so it is the most recent one to your input. i.e lower latency between input and visual.

[tawny thicket]

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=dwhat+does+nvidia+reflex+%2B+boost+do

[high quarry]

Framgen is another type of frame queue, except it generates new fake frames between them.

[hollow kettle]

Right so what does it mean by “cpu bound cases”

[high quarry]

So it increases input latency even more.

CPU bound just means your CPU cannot do the work fast enough to produce more frames. So the GPU waits for it.

[tawny thicket]

cases where your GPU cant stretch its legs because the CPU is holdong it bacck

[hollow kettle]

My cpu time is usually faster than my gpu time

Depends on the game. But gpu has never been faster. Sometimes roughly same ms

[tawny thicket]

the esiest way to figure out if you are CPU limited is to check GPU usage and if it goes below 95% then its likely CPU limited

[high quarry]

Usually because a CPU has a lot less work to do, there is difference between CPU bound (as in thats the limit), vs a bottleneck, where GPU is waiting around so much it cannot reach its potential.

[hollow kettle]

Nope it is always 99% when gaming

[hollow kettle]

So for my system just on would be best option? Or even without being cpu bound is on + boost better since I’m using frame gen

[tawny thicket]

then you arent CPU limited

[tawny thicket]

just go with on + boost

[high quarry]

its not gonna make a significant difference with framegen on.

[tawny thicket]

i just set every bit of sharpening i could find to 100% #📸┃screenshots_and_videos

[hollow kettle]

Okay thank you for the advice. & so is it fine that my gpu usage is always 99% but my cpu is usage is lower? Is it supposed to be like this?

[tawny thicket]

yes it is perfectly normal

[hollow kettle]

Okay cool thank you

[tawny thicket]

the game engine handles using all of the GPU meanwhile game devs have to manually program and optimize to utilize all the cores a modern CPU has

[hollow kettle]

I went from an old quad core cpu to a 14 core cpu so not used to Better performance like this or how it all works ig

[high quarry]

my CPU is up at 67C here at slag heap: https://i.imgur.com/AsGSbuS.jpeg

[tawny thicket]

and that might not even be possible since certain calculations that happen on the CPU NEED to happen in order and cannot be broken up into multiple cores

[hollow kettle]

I was recently told that 13th & 14th gen intel CPU’s are having a lot of issues…anyone else heard about that? Kinda scares me since I just got this one. They told me these have issues with oxidization and voltage problems

[tawny thicket]

yes they do have issues

but most of them can be mitigated by installing the newest BIOS

[hearty pollen]

This is correct. And the issue is bad, and can become really bad if you're not ontop of your bios updates.

[hollow kettle]

Okay I honestly got a prebuilt. Just got it a few weeks ago…I have no idea how to know if bios is up to date or not

[high quarry]

Make sure it has latest bios, and intel recommended power limits (NOT motherboard limits)

Use CPU-Z
Motherboard tab
Check which model it is, and the BIOS version and date against the latest on the manufacturers website.

[hollow kettle]

Is cpuid the correct site to download cpu-z from or does it matter?

[flat brook]

^ Update BIOS, set voltages Manually

My 13700K is over a year old and still as healthy as it was when it came in, no instability or silicon degradation.

Like with the 7800X3Ds burning out in the socket, it’s in part ASUS/BIOS fault and Intel’s fabrication fault

[hollow kettle]

How do I know what voltage to set it to?

[tawny thicket]

i dont recomend setting voltage manually

get the updated BIOS and that should* handle it

[flat brook]

While true, it has likely saved my chip from degradation in the first place.

It’s just a habit that I will never get rid of, as it wouldn’t be the first time its happened

[tawny thicket]

especially if you arent tech savvy

and you have said as much

[flat brook]

Manually locking in Voltages displayed by AUTO and setting a constant ratio isn’t necessarily a risk, just make sure you enter the right voltages in the right sections

[tawny thicket]

and also make sure that the offset is not positive

[hollow kettle]

Micro-Star international PRO B760-VC ? I think that’s motherboard I have

[flat brook]

^

MSI B760 Pro, not sure what VC stands for

[tawny thicket]

probably some marketing BS

[jade grotto]

i went from 98 fps to 3 lol

[tawny thicket]

R.I.P.

#VRAM

[high quarry]

PRO B760-VC
BIOS 7D98vBE
2024-10-18

[jade grotto]

guess the leak is still there lol

[hollow kettle]

Thank you. I googled this and it actually says it is called pro b760-VC WiFi. lol

[high quarry]

There are 2 models, one with wifi, one without.

[hollow kettle]

CPU-z says WiFi hs bulk

MS-7D98 in brackets after the model name

Which matches bios update title

[high quarry]

Then its this one: https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-B760-VC-WIFI-HS-BULK/Overview

BIOS 7D98vC3
2024-11-11

[hollow kettle]

What if my bios is already this version ? I got the pc at end of November but idk when it was built

[high quarry]

see what CPU-Z says

[hollow kettle]

It says bios version C.10

I downloaded the bios file but it just a text document…I’m about to try to google how to update bios I have no clue what I am doing honestly

[high quarry]

7D98vC1?

Only 7D98vC3 has latest microcode

[hollow kettle]

No it just says “Version: C.10”

[high quarry]

Yep, thats C1

bios file is E7D98IMS.C10

You want this one: https://download.msi.com/bos_exe/mb/7D98vC3.zip

[hollow kettle]

I downloaded the latest one from msi. It shows an application called msi ME FW Tool. I’m assuming I run this

The one I downloaded that you sent just has a text file and a C30 file

[fleet wraith]

Cpu is about 52 (9800x3d), GPU is about 59 (4090FE)

[high quarry]

Yep, thats the correct one C30

https://storage-asset.msi.com/files/pdf/How_to_flash_the_BIOS.pdf

[hollow kettle]

i have to use a usb flash drive?

the c30 file isnt doing anything unless i open it with notepad but its just a wall of text

The other thing I downloaded has FWUpdLc application I’m assuming means firmware update. This isn’t the one I should be opening?

[high quarry]

read the pdf

[hollow kettle]

It is telling me I have to use a flash drive which I do not have

[austere crane]

i'm bored. should i overclock my 9800x3D?

[high quarry]

Thats for ME Firwmare (Intel Management Engine) that goes along with it, its not the BIOS itself.

[hollow kettle]

Will i be able to select the c30 file if I restart to open bios even if I didn’t paste it to an external storage device?

[high quarry]

If its on an accessible drive from the BIOS it should work.

[hollow kettle]

I only have one storage device. My ssd. C drive

[high quarry]

It will read, flash, verify.
You must not turn anything off/lose power until its done.
It may look like its done, but takes a couple of restarts.

[hollow kettle]

Alright I am going to try

[high quarry]

It's a bit sickening that whoever sold this PC hasnt updated the BIOS, and its using one from August.

[hollow kettle]

It’s IBuyPower

[high quarry]

directly?

or via some other seller

[hollow kettle]

Ordered via Walmart

[high quarry]

So it could have been in Walmart inventory for all that time, thats why.

[hollow kettle]

My last pc I had was ordered directly from IBuyPower and I replaced the 960 for a 1070 but other than that kept it the same and it lasted me 8 years. Still works fine and runs good I just needed an upgrade and this one was cheap

I tried to do advanced start up and my screen is just flashing over and over looking all screwed up

[high quarry]

no need to advanced startup, hit Del/F11 while posting

[hollow kettle]

During restart?

[austere crane]

colesy, you have a 9800x3d, right?

[high quarry]

yes.. to both 😄

[hollow kettle]

It says select a boot device
Windows boot manager ADATA LEGEND 8
Or Enter Setup

[high quarry]

enter setup

[hollow kettle]

Never asked this before when I tried to enter bios

[high quarry]

then enter M-flash mode

[hollow kettle]

Okay it restart after I clicked that. Hopefully it doesn’t do that to my screen again or I won’t be able to get back into my pc

[hollow kettle]

Can I DM you what my screen looks like it won’t let me send pics here…it is all screwed up

[high quarry]

You prob used F11 (boot select)

[high quarry]

well you should be in M-Flash, where it asks you for the file

[hollow kettle]

I sent you pic bc I am freaked out now man 😅

[high quarry]

looks like app didnt load properly, power cycle it and do it again

[hollow kettle]

It does that screen every time I restart my pc

[high quarry]

but you havnt done anything yet

[hollow kettle]

Bios looks fine. And no

[high quarry]

you only care about bios/m-flash atm

[hollow kettle]

I know I’m saying since I have owned this pc, each time I restart it makes my screen look like that. It did that on advanced start up also. Impossible for me to see what to click

Bios just loaded up looking fine I don’t understand

[high quarry]

That seems like some display out issue, is that a monitor connected to the motherboard or directly to GPU?

[hollow kettle]

Connected to gpu via DisplayPort

[high quarry]

maybe its not init that PCIE slot until it boots the UEFI OS

[hollow kettle]

Should I plug it into top slot and see if it fixes it just to do these settings ?

[high quarry]

if your CPU has an iGPU you could.

[hollow kettle]

I have i5-13600kf. Idk anything other than that lol

I clicked M-Flash again to see if it works

[high quarry]

the F in the CPU name means no integrated graphics

[hollow kettle]

Nope still looks all white

I’m screwed

[high quarry]

hmm, in your PC, does your graphics card sit vertically, or horizontally directly connected to the motherboard?

Yeh, you are stuck without M-Flash on that board

but not displaying in m-flash is using something like a PCIE riser cable, and GPU not directly connected

[hollow kettle]

It sits horizontally with a cord plugged in going down to the bottom of case

[high quarry]

Try plug the monitor into a diffent display port on the back of the card.

and reboot again

[hollow kettle]

I’m going to dm another pic of a cable that came with my pc and you tell me if it is for display/audio pls if that’s okay ?

[high quarry]

sure

Other things to try:
Unplug all USB except keyboard
Disable fast boot in BIOS, save and reboot, then try m-flash

The cable you just showed me looks like a SATA connector for older SSDs, nothing to do with display?

often there is one spare in the box

[hollow kettle]

I have no clue what it is. It came with the pc along with antenna looking thing. I just now opened them

[high quarry]

antenna will be for wifi

[hollow kettle]

Just wierd since it has built in WiFi lol but I disabled fast boot and unplugged all usb other than mouse and keyboard right?

[high quarry]

built in wifi just means its on the motherboard, you are still supposed to screw the anenna onto the 2 gold contacts on the back so it can get signal.

[hollow kettle]

I also switched display port to different slot

Right next to original one it was in. But it still had my screen looking All jacked up. Idk I don’t think there is anything I can even do

Unless maybe use hdmi or something

[high quarry]

not without another GPU/monitor cable
The only other thing to try is a BIOS CMOS reset.
Which is not gonna be easy on a board without a manual.

[hollow kettle]

I guess I’ll try HDMI

Thanks for the help anyway

[high quarry]

If you do want to hard factory reset bios, you will need to do this.

https://i.imgur.com/vlvh3HA.png

[hollow kettle]

I got it to work with hdmi!!

The screen isn’t all funky anyway. Now to get back into bios. Wonder why DisplayPort does that

[high quarry]

It is more likely to be the cable then the monitor/card if it works in windows.

[hollow kettle]

I think it is the cable that came with this asus monitor I got last year. I use it to get 165hz since the hdmi I have only goes to 144hz. And it looks better on DisplayPort

[hollow kettle]

Okay I got into M-Flash now. It has an EFI file showing from today’s date. Is that what I need?

[high quarry]

where you downloaded it?
Should be the C30 one

i.e go to the E7D98IMS.C30 file and select that

[hollow kettle]

Oh wait I think I found it in downloads. E7D98IMS.C30

Yes! It says Bios is updating

[high quarry]

now dont turn it off until its fully done

[hollow kettle]

I have to be to work in an hour hopefully it is done by then

[high quarry]

it will power cycle itself, dont touch it

[hollow kettle]

Thank you man you’re freaking awesome

[high quarry]

usually takes 5 mins

[rare temple]

Here's something that might help those with shader compilation crashing.

Saw this on a post about trying to fix up performance, and this setting in Engine.ini is primarily used by the rendering subsystem of UE5. Specifically, it's within the shader pipeline cache functionality. This setting allows some Pipeline State Objects to be compiled in the foreground before entering the game, which can potentially improve performance by reducing runtime shader compilation. Turning it off probably means it's just going to recompile the shaders no matter what, rather than trying to do some that might need it, and leaving others alone. Not the most ideal situation as it probably means a full compile of the shaders, rather than just some, but at least, it might solve the issue of the shader compilation hanging when the shaders are already compiled:

[SystemSettings] r.ShaderPipelineCache.PreOptimizeEnabled=0

[hollow kettle]

Yep it’s already done and now cpu-z shows version C.30. I appreciate it so much brother thanks for helping me through all that

[high quarry]

@tight bear that just disables it though, more interesting would be:

r.ShaderPipelineCache.ClearOSCache=1 ; clear OS cache and compile fresh
r.ShaderPipelineCache.BatchSize=1 ; one at a time
r.ShaderPipelineCache.BackgroundBatchSize=1 ; one at a time

background mode is done with:
r.ShaderPipelineCache.StartupMode=2

[hollow kettle]

Should i bother with setting voltage of cpu or whatever someone was saying earlier or should this bios update be enough to avoid major issues (hopefully) ?

[rare temple]

No, that doesn't disable it. I know it doesn't because I've tested it at least 3 times now and the shader compilation happens. It hasn't hung for me now, but sometimes it used to before I added that line. The line that disables shader compilation is this:

r.PSOWarmup.WarmupMaterials=0

[high quarry]

Ah yes, but I think that is just masking a symptom.
PreOptimize is only for some, its more likely that the async multi-batch compile is what is getting stuck

[gusty lake]

What’s the steam command for skipping shader precompile

[rare temple]

Possibly, but just trying to offer a solution until GSC can ultimately fix it. Based on the UE5 description of the setting I listed, it seems like a possible "fix" until GSC actually fixes the issue for good.

[oblique folio]

Game running great here now, 4K High settings on a 3080. They did some good work latest patch. With frame gen.

[hard juniper]

what framerate?

[high quarry]

The way it compiles and stalls seems like its compiling a very large PSO, i.e the main one, with a couple of mega shaders.

[oblique folio]

100 FPS or more typically, FG magic.

I am suprised how responsive it also is

[hard juniper]

60 ish then, not bad

[snow acorn]

It stated in the patch that NPC draw distance had been greatly increased, just tested and had NPC's popping in at around 85 meters, seems just as bad as it was

[tight bear]

thanks for the ping homie

[high quarry]

You should see if there is an option in BIOS for Intel recommended vs some Auto overclock

[hollow kettle]

I’m back at work now for another 5 hours or so but I can check when I get home. Idk if this means anything but cpu-z was showing core voltage hovering around 0.75v - 0.9v. Kept fluctuating between there. That was sitting idle at desktop with a few things running in background

[plucky quail]

Guys if I get a 1700 socked cpu from Amazon and test if that build works. Can I just send it back to Amazon?

[opaque moat]

yeah you can cheese it but dont make a habit of it or they will blacklist you.

[plucky quail]

Yea my i9 looks kinda cocked. I can’t run it on 6000mt else it would crash. I saw some post about the degradation and some also could only run it only under 6000mt after time. If it’s true it would be my second RmA and last with intel for sure

[flat brook]

2 DIMMs I’m assuming?

[high quarry]

I also heard a few stories of raptor lake IMC degredation.

[opaque moat]

i have 14900K and i was lucky to patch my bios on my strix motherboard before i used it, mine running fine. but i dont overclock

now im wondering if he meant cooked or really meant cocked? lol

[high quarry]

both.

[fading stone]

is there any mods that let you have English dialogue when you directly talk to people but all ambient chatter and combat shouts are in Ukrainian language?
you know just like the old days. i really miss it.

[inner aspen]

Guys, anyone else have problems with the new update?

i download the update yesterday, now i try to play, and the game is frozen in the compiling shaders, and its stuck, before the new patch i been playing like 6hs a day, but now i cant even go to the main menu

[high quarry]

force exit and relaunch until it gets to main menu

[raw sleet]

you might try clearing the shader cache as well

[inner aspen]

i have the game in a SSD

how i can clear the cache? via steam?

[high quarry]

clearing cache never seems to help me.

Just retrying

[raw sleet]

Winkey+R and type cleanmgr in the run box, that's disk cleanup, it'll clear cache

or you can go directly to

C:\Users\YourUsername\AppData\Local\D3DSCache
and delete everything inside it

[plucky quail]

Yea how you know?

[flat brook]

Because it wouldn't be chip degradation with 4 DIMMs of DDR5, just the memory controller not being able to keep up.

Sad to hear the i9 is suffering though

[plucky quail]

Yea i got mine in may 5. and the day i got it i down clocked it to 5Ghz. Thought it would maybe help but maybe didnt. It was 1.5 month after i got a bios update or later IDK. I had the Gigabite Mobo where they patched it late to every one else. Then from that point it was only Out of box settings. Could be that the first Update didnt do anything cus they said its the Voltage jumping up very high and the first bios update only had PL1 and PL2 set. SO in the end Maybe i should have waited till they brought the Final Update out or it didnt fix anything and anybody with 13 and 14 gen will be cursed.

[opaque moat]

well i havent heard of anyone with 13/14 gen i3 and i5 having issues its mostly i7's and i9's

[hollow kettle]

Wait that’s what name cpu-z says when I open it. Man this just keeps getting better and better 😭

[high quarry]

raptor lake is 13th and 14th gen, thats why you got latest bios for intel microcode.

[hollow kettle]

I got sent a video about 13th & 14th gen intel CPU’s having oxidization and voltage issues. Idk any more than that but I think it frequently occurs in prebuilts. 50% failure rate within 3-16 months

Supposedly anyway

[high quarry]

prebuilt is irrelevant mostly

[hollow kettle]

Mine is prebuilt that’s why I’m worried

[high quarry]

its just that people who get those are less likely to update the bios unless prompted

[hollow kettle]

I would have had no idea about updating bios if you hadn’t helped me so yeah you’re definitely correct

[full elbow]

I love the optimization mods, but getting to a high-up point and watching things unload & reload every time I turn around is annoying

[high quarry]

Never seen that, is that on 8GB cards?

[nova palm]

Not all of the 13th/14th gen cpus have the problems, until the bios updates started to roll most folks had their i9/i7s for a long time and the problems started to show up

[glass vault]

No they all have the problem unless they are using a bio revision that is after the microcode fix. Since it was mainly a over voltage issue. Not sure about the oxidation issues haven't really looked into that

[hollow kettle]

Can I send links here?

[glass vault]

Yes just wont embed

[hollow kettle]

https://youtu.be/OVdmK1UGzGs?si=jARaoNXbbYr5MCU1

This is the video I was sent covering it. Kinda long but it talks about the issues with all 13th/14th gen intel cpus

[glass vault]

Gamers nexus is the best 3rd party tech channel for finding and explaining any issues

[hollow kettle]

Yeah it seemed reliable. Scares me to death bc i definitely won’t have money to replace any parts In the near future and I didn’t pay for a warranty

[glass vault]

Worse case scenario it's a dead chip. But most likely if you updated Bios and thus the microcode. It probably just won't be running at the original expectations.

[hollow kettle]

I haven’t had any issues at all my cpu has been running very well at least I think. Games run amazing. I just wanted to update bios to try to prevent any issues in the foreseeable future

I’ve also only had the pc for not even 3 weeks though

[nova palm]

Then your prob safe

[glass vault]

Oh then you should be perfectly fine. The issues tend to happen after months of use. But still make sure the bios version is after September. Since that was their final fix

[nova palm]

^

[glass vault]

Knowing prebuilts bios can be a week old from getting the pc to original bios when the board and CPU launched

[hollow kettle]

Yeah the update was from November this year. Colesy in this channel helped me earlier to update bios to most recent version

They had a slightly outdated version yeah

[glass vault]

Perfect then no foreseeable problems that are known. Hope you are liking the new pc tho

[hollow kettle]

It’s an IBuyPower pc but I ordered from Walmart during Black Friday so it was probably sitting a bit

[glass vault]

Ibuypower is one of my most disliked brands just because weird ass cases. But if it's a good deal then it's good.

[hollow kettle]

Heck yeah I went from an i7-6700 + gtx 1070 & an old WD hdd to i5-13600kf + rtx 4060 nvme ssd. Sooooo much better

[glass vault]

That's a major increase

[nova palm]

I feel that lmao, went from a i5 + 2060 to a i9 + 4080 super

[hollow kettle]

My old pc was IBuyPower and yeah I didn’t like that case too much but this new one I actually really like. Slate Mesh 6 full rgb lightning and has like vent mesh looking stuff in front. Idk I really like it

[plucky quail]

In prebuild or cus prebuild report back?

[glass vault]

I went from some random ass Xeon CPU from 2009 with a 1060 to a 7950x3d and a 3080ti

[plucky quail]

IMC?

[glass vault]

4thread 4 core gaming machine

[hollow kettle]

Raptor lake something something

[plucky quail]

IMC? #

[high quarry]

memory controller

[hollow kettle]

CPU’s in prebuilts ig

[nova palm]

That's the code name for that line of cpus

[hollow kettle]

Idk much about hardware I’m still a noob lol

[glass vault]

Imc is integrated memory controller?

[high quarry]

yeh

[glass vault]

Don't worry there is so much information especially when you start looking at server hardware. I'm still finding weird stuff that I never knew about

[plucky quail]

Well that could be what i got maybe. I am getting now a 12400F from amazon on the 8.1. So gonna test it.

[plucky quail]

Yea thought memory controller didnt know what the I is.

[spare coral]

Im still using an i5 11400f here

[glass vault]

There is so many abbreviations in tech and it's painful to find out what they mean

[hollow kettle]

It can be overwhelming but I am just trying to learn little by little. I’d like to know how to OC my cpu but the games I play it really isn’t necessary at all. Just curious how it works really

[opaque moat]

ya overclocking is fading out

chips now are just good out of the box

[glass vault]

be careful with overclocking. some games like warframe just breaks constantly. and honestly cpus are already clocked and tune themselves so well that there really isn't any reason to overclock unless you just want to have fun. just be careful with voltage tho

[opaque moat]

overclocking used to gain you over 30 fps back in the day. now its like 5-10fps

[hollow kettle]

Yeah that’s what I figured. Would just make my cpu run hotter for like +3 fps lol

[quasi granite]

anyone want to share their settings for rtx 3090? what fps are you getting?

[glass vault]

i don't have a 3090 but 3080ti is super close but im doing 1440p medium some high just because of vram but solid 120fps with fsr frame gen and dlss upscaling

probably can get a bit higher textures since you have double vram

[glad tree]

How much vram should I worry about for my gpu nowadays, 12? 16? How much is enough for now and to not think of upgrading any PC component for a while

[plucky quail]

For a while it would be 16GB also comes to how good the GPU is if you buy a gpu that has not much Performance you dont really need more Vram. Cus you dont gonna play on high settings.

[opaque moat]

8GB Vram is fazing out pretty fast for 1440p and up. in high end games. you can get away with it at 1080p

12GB minimum depending the game at 1440p +

[glass vault]

you want to aim for 12 or 16gb its a good

[glad tree]

My budget allows me a 4070tisuper

[plucky quail]

Would not say even 1080P 8Gb is enough. Indiana is so obvious that 8GB at 1080P is not and wanting to have the GPU for a while will need more than 8gb. Even the mid tier (600$) gpus are not 12Gb enough they should be equipped with more.

[plucky quail]

Yea that would be good gpu If you are gonna RT

[glad tree]

I'll be happy to buy one tho, I was thinking if I need a Ryzen 7 or 5 is enough, I had in mind the 7700x

[plucky quail]

But actually if i where you i would wait for next year

[opaque moat]

well if you can afford expensive games like indiana, you should be on a 1440P monitor...if not you missmanaging your gaming experience

[plucky quail]

Well we are playing Stalker right not really cheap 🙂

[glad tree]

Right, yeah people told me that, I'll keep patient with my 1060, a little more to see what comes up next year then

[plucky quail]

Yea you could buy that or a 7600X3D if there is some games that greatly Support the X3D

[plucky quail]

AMD should try leap in RT so that would also be a look out. I think from now on RT should be something we should look for when buying

[tardy mason]

i9 what????????
Christ people use these hype terms intel pushes.
i9 10900?
12900?
13900?
14900?
HX ? K? KF? S?

[plucky quail]

Prob Raptor i would guess

[tardy mason]

probably

[plucky quail]

And 13 14 are just the same also so that would be the area.

[glad tree]

For sure, I'm studying architecture so I have to, sooner or later I'll be using that. The thing with AMD is that I don't feel the experience as I'd like to, I hope they slap me on the face next year, because Nvidia is getting more and more expensive

Or a slap from Intel, who knows 😮

[opaque moat]

nvidia tech is leaping though

[plucky quail]

Well intel already did. A gpu that is cheaper and faster than 4060 so that is good

I dont like that every thing is getting AI. Right now its good but imagine most of the Image is just AI that makes it up.

[opaque moat]

dont forget why nvidia is more expensive...they are not strictly a gaming card but also a work station card too. never hear anyone using amd for graphic design or video rendering etc

amd is better in gaming because they focus on straight ras perf

[glad tree]

I need something that beats the 4070tisuper and make me wanna switch to other drivers and technology, I hope AMD or Intel make it attractive

Some would say the 7900xt but something doesn't do its job to get me into it and decide to switch

[plucky quail]

That i would not say for Video Rendering AMD is bad. AMD did good job with this gen, they got far. Pretty much working as 2nd Nvidia card and least in Davinci its AMD first. IDK why but maybe deal, cant really tell.

Nvidia is not sleeping with the GPUs and doing a good job compared to Intel that mostly slept. We are going to see what Nvidia is going to do next gen with DLSS or other feature. Cant imagine much except something that upscales textures.
But then they pretty much cheap on Vram out. And if the leaks are real the new gen dont get more Vram. Except 5090. 5060 with 8GB cant be good deal.

[glass vault]

Rumors being AMDs 8800xt should be 50% faster in RT than the 7900xtx

With the Nvidia main points being leaked it looks like they might have a big advancement in RT as well

[plucky quail]

Well for feature it does not have much. But its quiet cheaper and quiet Faster than the TI SUper. So there is that. But the TISuper would be my first GPU for RT just cus it can the RT that would really give a visual uplift.

[plucky quail]

But how about raster? Is it same as 7900XT?

[glass vault]

Haven't heard much about that. Only reason the RT got leaked was because they discussed the complete overhaul of the RT cores they use

[opaque moat]

nvidia is not slowing down on the multiple front aproach. they dont only have their eye on gaming but in business where more likely to sell 5090's

[glass vault]

Half of their keynote is gonna be about AI according to inno3d

[plucky quail]

Well then they should upgrade the Vram. Would be trash if the 5080 can do PT at 1440P 60FPS without any extra and gets limited by Vram pretty fast in.

[plucky quail]

Dont think they look much in the Gamer/ Consumer marked its so small of the overall

[glass vault]

I'm assuming something about neural rendering might be the trying to catch up the slack there. Assuming the neural rendering is the selling point of dlss 4

[opaque moat]

gaming market is one of the biggest markets in the world

[plucky quail]

Did you see Sony PSPro presentation? From few days?

[glass vault]

Data centers buy much more and higher end every release. The gaming industry is big but most gamers don't upgrade every generation.

[glass vault]

No I haven't

I see ps Xr vr headset

[plucky quail]

They showed some stuff about the RT performance of the upgrades. How the worked on that. And that Sony and AMD work together on some Software related stuff.

[nova palm]

I9-14900kf

I just say i9 since it's easier to type and i'm just lazy lol

[glass vault]

Pretty sure the playstation pro had unreleased AMD hardware for the GPU side

[plucky quail]

I would guess that would also make it easier for Devs to implement cus they dont need to do then PSSR and FSR.

[glass vault]

How long until we get PTX over rtx P for path tracing

[plucky quail]

Yea they where talking how the Doubled the performance

[glass vault]

Kinda hope they don't go rtx 6000 just because 6090 doesn't sound as good a 5090 or 4090

[plucky quail]

IDK Sony said they dont think that the ps6 gonna be able to do PT

[glass vault]

10090 next gen. I'm assuming we are getting PTX for the 60 series then probably getting path tracing on consoles 2 years after it hits desktop market

[plucky quail]

Well i would say 6090 is gonna be the first PT 4K 60FPS GPU if the rate stays the same.

[glass vault]

In theory it still should be the same increase. I mean the 40 and 50 series seem to be on the same 4nm size

Pretty interested in how much uplift the new architecture will bring

[plucky quail]

Yea sad that we pretty much reached the Limit

[glad tree]

sure that's my point too, well let's wait for next year

[plucky quail]

Lets see who is faster at 1.8NM intel or TSMC?

[glass vault]

I think somewhere around 1-2nm is where it will constantly break with the same silicone being the material. Maybe new material making it smaller?

[glass vault]

Tsmc & Samsung say next year intel is still behind close to 4nm I think

2nm for tsmc & Samsung in 2025 while intel is aiming for 1.8nm

[plucky quail]

Yea its 1.8 or actually lower but we dont know if that gonna work. We are talking about few Atoms.

[glass vault]

Intel is on 3nm at the moment it seems

[plucky quail]

Intle is already at 2NM but it fist didnt work out really and they are skipping it before even a chip is made. They are trying all to be smaller than samsung and TSMC

[glass vault]

I mean tsmc next year as commercially selling it. But also it seems that quantum tunneling has started to be a problem since 10nm & current leak as well.

Also seems intel is planning to have 1.8nm second half of 2025

[plucky quail]

Yea looks pretty bad. But 2nm is gonna be on ribbonfet right?

[glass vault]

Yeah from a quick Google search ribbonfet

[plucky quail]

Gonna be on look out if intel is gonna be hitting the Goal of 1.8NM in 2025

[plucky quail]

And its still tunneling?

[glass vault]

No idea but I'm assuming it's gonna come down to spacing a between the transistors slightly to make it less likely? Idk at this point I'm talking out my ass

[plucky quail]

Pretty bad for the Chip industry. Gonna buy a quantum PC XD. Least google doing some breakthrough

[glass vault]

Quantum pcs are good for scientific gonna be a whole new transition if that becomes mainstream

[opaque moat]

quantum computing is not even used to its full ability.

[plucky quail]

That also could get new race to more and more Qubits in one chip. Would be nice to see.

[hollow kettle]

I am off work now and going to check this if you are still online

[glass vault]

Isn't the issue they need to be chilled to function

[tardy mason]

you went all out for cpu but not for gpu???????

[glass vault]

Yeah they need to be extremely cold to work

[opaque moat]

and need more power

[plucky quail]

Google has already got breakthrough on that. That why i am saying it.

[glass vault]

I feel like the market if we can't go smaller and can't go higher clocks/IPC. They will go bigger like epyc size CPUs and sli coming back

Sli will return with vengeance

[hollow kettle]

How good is i5-13600kf bc I have no idea. Ik I want to upgrade gpu within a year or two bc 4060 is meh. Not bad but not great

Will cpu be good for a few years or so is what I mean by “is it good” sorry

[plucky quail]

Yea but we also need better single performance for AI. Thats also something. Maybe make just a Core bigger? but would also cost more.

[late ferry]

meybi has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[glass vault]

I mean AI workloads already use multigpu aka sli.

@hollow kettle CPUs Dont age as bad as GPUs do. You can run a few generations old CPU with newer hardware just don't expect full performance of a newer GPU but still should be fine

[tardy mason]

not shot they have the f u x c k blacklisted

[opaque moat]

13600Kf not great for 1080p. but 1440P+ higher end gpu helps.

[plucky quail]

It will go for years you dont really need to worry about CPUs that much. Well except games got more and more CPU Heavy.

[hollow kettle]

I play 1080p exclusively since 4060

[opaque moat]

13600K and Kf is one of intels much better CPU;s in reliability and price

[tardy mason]

amd 2025 q1 releases is what you should be watching
leave intel behind

[plucky quail]

Thats fine

[plucky quail]

Wdym?

[hollow kettle]

And I am not looking to get any higher resolution monitor anytime soon tbh. I’m happy with 1080p

[glass vault]

This is due to software lumen. Once it goes to hardware RT it should be good for longer

[opaque moat]

13600kf gonna struggle at 1080p

[serene meteor]

is the fps drops bug fixed?

[tardy mason]

Ryzen 9 9950X3D and Ryzen 9 9900X3D CPUs are expected to be released in late January 2025

[plucky quail]

Yea and no. Its better on HW but still its going to take CPU power.

[hollow kettle]

How would it struggle at 1080p but do well for 1440p? lol that doesn’t make sense to me

It has been running amazing with 4060 for me at 1080p

[plucky quail]

YOu mean VRAM?

[opaque moat]

putting more load on GPU the higher you go.

[serene meteor]

idk, fps drops

[nova palm]

My rig does just fine and i won't need to upg for a while so i'm happy. besides the 4080 super does a great job and i didn't want cough up more cash for 4090

[glass vault]

Its going to be less CPU reliant just like how x86 CPUs are faster in gaming than arm just because no conversation later. But should lighten up the load a bit not a whole lot but some

[plucky quail]

Oh yea if its true and both CCD are gonna be with X3D then its gonna be Sick

[hollow kettle]

in nearly every game I play my gpu usage is 99% and cpu never goes above 40% usage

[glass vault]

Doesn't sound like it. Honestly the mismatched ccd annoyed me but the longer I use the system it makes logicalcally sense.

Just wait for the 12core ccd Ryzen chips for the next few gens

[plucky quail]

In the end we are trying to be at 60FPS under that and your CPU gets in the way.

[hollow kettle]

Gpu usage always 99%. Cpu usage fluctuates 10-40% depending on game

[opaque moat]

its using your phisical cores more than your threads.

[glass vault]

Yeah apparently AMDs Medusa chips (zen 6) are going to have 12 core CCDs instead of 8 that means 24 core monsters

[opaque moat]

look at the percentages.

[plucky quail]

Sexy

[glass vault]

On god now imagine x3d

Also medusa is expected next year

[hollow kettle]

Idk how to do that unless it is in task manager or cpu-z

[plucky quail]

NExt? no way

[glass vault]

End of 2025/early 2026 so the usual launch cycle it seems

[plucky quail]

Was thinking something like AM6 it will come

[opaque moat]

either one. ...easier to see it in task manager onto a second screen you see how its working in graph

[hollow kettle]

Resource monitor that shows cpu-0 to cpu-19 I’m guessing. Each has a graph next to it with %

[glass vault]

Now I see conflicting info 2025-2027 for medusa but it might be the last generation for am5

[plucky quail]

2027 would be the time where we see AM5 the last time

[glass vault]

It would make sense we got zen 1-3 am4 and am5 will get zen4-6

[opaque moat]

dont forget only your performance cores have threads, not your E-Cores

[hollow kettle]

I have 14 cores 20 logical processors it says

[plucky quail]

I dont get why the I5 didnt get 8P cores

[hollow kettle]

Base clock speed is 3.5ghz but when I’m gaming I have looked at and it is usually well over 5ghz

[glass vault]

To use the chips that had defects on the other P cores less waste

[opaque moat]

ya your 6 P cores doubled to 12 + the 8 e-cores = 20

[plucky quail]

Yea but they could done the same like with 12400F it was only 6P cores. Just do a 13400F with 6P cores.

[hollow kettle]

So I only have 6 performance cores??

[plucky quail]

yup

[hollow kettle]

Wtf that sounds trash

[opaque moat]

its not. its a good CPU

[glass vault]

I like AMD since I get all fat cores

[opaque moat]

its even better than the 10900k

[hollow kettle]

14 performance cores would be cooler 😔

[glass vault]

Feels nice to see all 32 threads rip

[plucky quail]

🤷🏼

[hollow kettle]

I was actually going to buy all amd parts before I got this prebuilt. But I have no idea how to build a pc and got scared. Didn’t want to spend money then mess it up

Sorry for million questions but does anyone know what my core voltage should be roughly if I’m just sitting idle around desktop with a few things running in background. Like steam, icue, nvidia. These voltage issues I’m hearing about are freaking me out

It’s at 0.75v - 0.96v

[glass vault]

Fair. Next time you want to upgrade I say sell your old pc minus the storage and built a new rig from the ground up. It was a fun experience just take your time and don't rush

[opaque moat]

if you leave everything to default you have nothing to freak out about...i5's dont have issues

[nova palm]

Trust me you'll be fine, if you updated to the most recent bios and only had the pc for 3 weeks.

[hollow kettle]

Did you see the video I linked earlier though?

[opaque moat]

thats mostly i7 and i9

[nova palm]

Yeee

[opaque moat]

there is not enough cases for i3 and i5 to even talk about.

[hollow kettle]

But it said all 13th/14th gen Intel CPUs

Idk I’m just looking for confirmation bc in a couple other servers they brought it to my attention. And on Reddit

[glass vault]

Yes but it was mainly K skus since they were pushed harder clocks.

Still rather do prevention than have issues and be unable to fix it

[hollow kettle]

Okay one more question I have if anyone is familiar with cpu-z…in graphics tab it shows a drop down menu next to rtx 4060 that says “Perf level”. Should I leave it at current or set to base or boost? I didn’t install afterburner figured I don’t need it on this pc. I used it on my old one to undervolt my 1070 tho

[opaque moat]

with you being scared to build your own PC, you should not be even worrying about the numbers in cpu-z. ...if its not broken, dont tweak it.

[glass vault]

On god if it works then it's fine no need to bring out verbal abuse to make it work unless it's not working

[hollow kettle]

Im asking what it does and this is gpu related not cpu. I’ll just google it

[nova palm]

Just leave every at default for now and later on when you get more comfortable taking parts out or doing tiny tweaks to your pc.

[glass vault]

Honestly I got no idea I just use CPU and GPU z to see if my cards are legit or not

[opaque moat]

i physically buy my parts in person, use afterburner for fan control. thats it. i cant deal with all them numbers in those "Z" apps

[hollow kettle]

I’m happy this pc came with msi software installed to control the fans. I like afterburner but no need to install it now

[glass vault]

I mean GPUz really just needs to look at GPU name, chip number and if GPUz says it doesn't know what the GPU even is

[hollow kettle]

I watch a guy on YouTube that orders gpus from other countries like China and plugs them in just to see what gpu-z says

[opaque moat]

some software is bloatware...like the iCue software and armoury crate.

i just use afterburner without Rivatuner.

[hollow kettle]

I’ve gotten used to soundID with icue so I can’t go without it. Audio sounds atrocious without it

[opaque moat]

meh i use voicemeter when i need to boost sound a bit

i mainly got voicemeter to play audio through 2 headsets at same time... for my daughter to listen in when she watches me play

[hollow kettle]

Well I have Corsair headset only reason I ever installed icue was for updates. Ended up liking soundID

[glass vault]

Armoury crate sucks so bad

[hollow kettle]

I’ve never heard of it tbh

[opaque moat]

i have to use it for drivers and then remove it

[opaque moat]

its for rog strix motherboards

i cant update my drivers properly without armoury crate...thats the only good job it does... but then i uninstall everything about it

[glass vault]

Never use it or their other apps. Their stupid audio app broke my 3d printing slicer for no reason

[hollow kettle]

I’m too much of a casual man I never know what is being talked about half the time lol

Anyway, thanks for the help and advice

I’d still be scouring google probably messing my pc all up if it wasn’t for you guys

[opaque moat]

oh and watchout for the Nvidia app... its hurting FPS with some settings...

i havent looked into it much since i dont have that app but ive heard about it

[hollow kettle]

I’ve noticed it eating memory usage yeah. Pretty sure it is mostly nvidia overlay. I disabled it and it cut memory usage down 2/3

I have 16gb ram but I have noticed just sitting at desktop with the few startup apps I have still enabled it goes to 30% or so memory usage. Gaming it gets in the 90s. Want to get another 16gb stick but idk for sure what brand this one is

[nova palm]

Also turn off the photo mode, it's causing some issues too

[flint spoke]

crazy with the right engine settings and mods I can get 80fps looking at the mechanic in yaniv, it used to be like 60fps

now its just rostok that runs like garbage.

rostok could almost use some load screens LOL

[lament rampart]

Im affraid my laptop will blow up eventuslly when playing
Solid performance tho, havent had any major issues

[agile harbor]

You just have one DIMM now?

[inner pawn]

Hi, im on laptop and my cpu hovers 70c and gpu on 60ishc

I locked fps to 60, high texture and some mediums

[hollow yacht]

I'm on laptop too. I get good fps but all of a sudden the game decides to shit the bed and the fps drops to single digits

[inner pawn]

What specs do you have? It could be memory leaks happening with 6gb vram and below

[hollow yacht]

I got a 6gb vram. And I am certain this is indeed a memory leak. But GSC said they were gonna fix the leaks in upcoming patches. Still nothing

[hollow kettle]

Idk what DIMM is. I have 1x 16gb ram stick and there is another slot next to it I could use

[hollow kettle]

It does that once in a while to me and I have 8gb vram. Get smooth 60-80+ fps in populated areas then bam drops to 10 or less and I have to restart. That is very rare tho. Only happened a few times

[hollow yacht]

For me it happens every playthrough. Sometimes after 10 minutes. Sometimes after a few hours. Which brings me to the conclusion that it is inherently yet another optimisation issue.

Disabling lumen via engine.ini seems to reduce this problem. But then again, without lumen the game looks very ugly.

[inner aspen]

someone can fix the stuck in rendering shaders problem? before the main menu, i been trying everything, but i still have the issue, the last option is the XMP in the mobo option, but if someone know how can fix this, please tell me, i have a save game around the 200hs and im tired of problems, i want to play the game

[agile harbor]

If this is a standard desktop system, usually running a single stick is going to put you in what’s called single channel mode. Depending on what platform you’re on or really any platform you’re going to be severely limiting performance. You really should be running too for dual channel mode.

[hollow kettle]

It says dual channel when I look in cpu-z

[inner aspen]

i understand, is a very common problem with the pre builds pcs in some stores, they sell a pc with one stick of ram with 16gb, and no the 2x8 ram, to save a few bucks

[inner aspen]

yeah, the mother have the option of dual channel, but you have 2 sticks of ram or one?

[hollow kettle]

Maybe that’s why my memory usage is always high. I have one 16gb ram stick

Really haven’t had any issues at all with performance in anything I’ve played. Even the light multitasking I do from time to time

Actually very satisfied with my performance

[inner aspen]

you are using and pushing the ram with an overload of use, because is one, if you have two you can divide the charge of use

[inner aspen]

yes, but every game has a different use of resources

i dont have any problem with other games, but STALKER and a few of the new games can cause some problems

[hollow kettle]

I’ve had stalker drop fps a few times but 90% of the time it runs fine

[inner aspen]

i have 32gb of ram and a 3070Ti, and sometines i have some stutters

before the patch i been playing the game in a very well performance

but today i cant even open the game

[hollow kettle]

I don’t ever get stutters. Just weird fps drops I assume is memory leak. Restarting the game fixes it for me