pc-specs

[hearty pollen]

It has 12gb of vram right? compared to the 8 on the 3060ti? thats kinda huge given the current trend of moar vram all teh vram games

[high quarry]

Techpowerup roundup suggests 20% from 5700XT -> 3060 ti, so 20% or less mostly.

[steep hatch]

Yeah its 12

Hmm see that's rough because 250$ for 20% gain essentially

[high quarry]

You'd be better of aiming at a bigger jump, like 12GB 4060 ti / 6800XT or higher

[hearty pollen]

if its about the same or slightly worse than a 3060ti but with more vram, i dont think thats a bad choice, but kinda expensive for the performance increase. Im inclined to argue its a worthwhile pick, but barely.

[flat brook]

Yes and no. Those already affected are basically written off and holding on for dear life, those previously unaffected shouldn’t be affected in the future

[hearty pollen]

Im not super updated, but there was also some performance drops with the latest bios updates/micro code right?

[steep hatch]

Yeah as big as Intel is they dropped the ball with how they handled that situation especially fighting people over rma's and flat out basically denying there was even a problem for forever

[flat brook]

Less overhead, basically. Those running their chips at 250W now can’t reach that peak consistently anymore

[high quarry]

Once you get to that level its $400-500 starting prices..

[steep hatch]

What's crazy bro is that b580 was going neck and neck with that 4060 TI on certain games that's insanity

[flat brook]

They did, to their own demise. No matter how long you beat around the bush, RMAs with issues like this are inevitable. As we can now see when they finally folded

[hearty pollen]

Yeah so we get a touch less performance than what was paid for.

[high quarry]

and you'd want a $480 7800XT over a $500 4060 ti 🙂

[flat brook]

I mean to be Frank, I never bought my chip with hitting that 250W limit in mind. First thing I did was set a manual undervolt and limit it to 150W

[steep hatch]

Yeah I thought Intel would have learned their lesson back in the Pentium days you can't just keep shoving power in something without any other Innovation not expecting something to give out

[flat brook]

Dare I be so bold to say that people who actually bought 13/14th gen i7/i9s with the intention of running them at 250W, are basically insane

[flat brook]

It wasn’t the power draw, it’s basically the same issue AMD/ASUS had with voltage regulation when X3D chips were shorting inside the socket

[steep hatch]

I've got it into the habit of pretty much undervolting every PC component that I possibly can CPU undervolt that son of a b**** GPU definitely undervolt that son of a b**** less heat you don't really lose performance and you have more peace of mind that way

[high quarry]

yeh, motherboards giving more voltage than they should have been allowed to.

[flat brook]

While this time Intel is also at fault instead of solely ASUS, but the voltage requests were essentially exceeding their pre defined safety limits

[hearty pollen]

Yeah but thats honestly being more sensible that Intel deserves. it is xyz performance intended, and dropping 100w will surely have a impact on performance. I mean, did intel explicitly say "dont run this at intended performance, it can damage the cpu" ? not from what i can tell. so its honestly just paying for performance you neber got from my pov.

[steep hatch]

No matter what the motherboard says don't the CPUs micro code supposed to have final say don't it

[flat brook]

It is, but at that high of a TDP there’s basically 0 performance to be gained in gaming anyway. Even running DCS with 512 active units my chip never exceeds 170W to begin with, and that’s at full load

[flat brook]

Yes, but as we saw with the X3Ds, that’s unfortunately not always what happens

[hearty pollen]

So realistically you are only giving up theoretical performance and maybe benchmarks? still not okay, but at least decent in practice.

[steep hatch]

That is true

[flat brook]

For the vast majority of consumers, yes. I agree with your consensus though

If there’s one very key thing to take away here,

Never let your ASUS motherboard/BIOS regulate your voltages

[hearty pollen]

Wild how 170w vs 250w has practically no impact on performance, Its quite a bit of power, heck the difference is almost enough to power a 7800x3d alone.

[steep hatch]

I think we can all finally see why intel was hoping that the 13 and 14k series would hold up because my Lord this latest launch of CPUs from them almost seems like a sick joke or something

[hearty pollen]

I have a asus board currently, and while i hate it, seemingly voltages are good and well within parameters stock and with a UV/PBO. Anything else i should worry about?

[flat brook]

There’s just not a single application that can push the chips so far that you notice a difference besides synthetic benchmarks. Which isn’t exactly why I’m buying a chip

[steep hatch]

When I was looking at benchmarks and people were benching am4 CPUs alongside Intel's newest launch I knew right then there was something majorly wrong somewhere Hahaha

[hearty pollen]

My point exaclty, but its a LOT of power.

[flat brook]

I would set your voltages manually and lock your clock speeds as a pre caution given you have the cooling headroom for it. Chips fare best in stable environments, this includes the electrons floating through Silicon Valley

[steep hatch]

I remember correctly wasn't it sudden single core workloads that was spocking the voltage to hell and back causing the damage

[high quarry]

We will have to wait until they do a 12 P-Core only SKU and use that power where it actually matters 🙂

[flat brook]

Do that, you basically can never go wrong unless there’s a major manufacturing defect, in which case not even a prayer to the monolith would save you

[hearty pollen]

Ugh, i guess that makes sense but is honestly more than i signed up for when doing this build. I never ever intended to even UV (and this comes from someone who burned up a lot of intel 2-3 and 4 gens CPUs clocking the everliving shit out of them). Buuut the itch got me!

[flat brook]

It happened at idle. Voltage requested did not equal voltage received. BIOS failsafes should have stepped in, they didn’t.

This is why this whole issue is once again 50/50 Intel and ASUS, vast majority of degraded chips come from ASUS boards

[flat brook]

You can always run both the Intel diagnostic tool specifically for this issue, and reference your voltages to those of a known healthy chip/ Intel defined spec

[flat brook]

Just for reference, my chip isn’t affected, but this is vast case majority of affected chips

[steep hatch]

@flat brook Asus has sadly kinda went to shit recently. So them being partially responsible for the issue with Intel doesn't surprise me one bit

[hearty pollen]

Hahaha, nah i was asking for ASUS in general, i assumed you knew i had a 7800x3d, but i mixed you up with someone else in a earlier conversation about my computer, my bad.

[high quarry]

My last 4 boards have been 3 x MSI and 1 Gigabyte

[flat brook]

ASUS fell off 6 years ago IMO, hell ever since ROG became mainstream

[hearty pollen]

yeah i aint buying a asus motherbaord again, but the pricepoint for my current one with BT and wifi was too good to give up.

[high quarry]

I used to use Asus boards a lot

[flat brook]

If you’re up to date on BIOS, you should be absolutely fine.

X3D shenanigans was solely ASUS’ doing

[steep hatch]

I never thought I would see ASRock become the powerhouse they have over the last 5 years they were a budget s*** board like the epitome of a s*** board back in the day

[high quarry]

Only thing I would consider is a Hero, not that I would spend that kind of money on a board anyway for normal use.

[flat brook]

I’m generally not afraid to run ASUS boards, their VRMs are still decent. Just god forbid I don’t ever let my BIOS decide anything for my system anymore

Currently on a 1 year old Z690 Prime, works great when you go manual

[hearty pollen]

Oh i am. The asus murdering x3d's was solved when i got my build, but i updated the second she fired up the first test boot, and has been updating regularly since.

[steep hatch]

And when I say back in the day I mean like 10 plus years ago all of their last releases like for most of the am4 and this newest generation their boards have been pretty damn good

[flat brook]

No worries then, your rig won’t become a second Chernobyl nuclear disaster

[hearty pollen]

Yeah back in intels 2, 3 and 4 gen i exclusively used asus boards to destroy CPUs, but i had a hiatus ish not following the scene closely enough, and kinda missed how poor asus has become.

[high quarry]

Asus outcry hasnt really been about what their stuff does, its how they respond/handle it.

[hearty pollen]

Except the whole x3d murdering issue

[steep hatch]

I'm wondering if my x570 bored isn't trying to push my x3d with too much power because even with a negative 25 offset on every core and paired with a 360 mil rad during like benchmarks it can still hit easily north of 70 plus c

[high quarry]

Yeh, extreme case, even a fire risk.

but generally, its basically the FU as a consumer approach/attitude that got them negativity

[steep hatch]

Granted the x3d processors handle benchmarks about as well as a grandma handles running a marathon but still it's kind of got me thinking

[hearty pollen]

I mean, do they really? seemingly good scores per pricepoint and while am4 x3ds are kinda hot, they arent really bad either.

[high quarry]

I went from two 24 thread CPUs in a row, to two 16 thead x3D CPUs.

[steep hatch]

Yeah it's naive to believe that there won't be issues and problems ever so often when it comes to this kind of Technology like when you set and think about it it is an absolute f****** miracle we can even make CPUs like it blows my little peon mind

So how the company's handle the issues when they do come up is what matters it's not the fact that the issues happen of course there's going to be problems every now and then I mean there's like 18 what billion transistors in an average processor these days granted I could be wrong but it's an insane s*** ton amount like what the f***😆

[high quarry]

It's why EVGA was generally very liked.

[steep hatch]

Rip kings 🫡😭

Just another soul stolen by the green machine leather wearing suit himself haha

[high quarry]

Gotta squeeze those margins to make the spreadsheet look good..

[steep hatch]

But seriously though I would like to know what exactly happened there between them two because EVGA was a massive company nowhere near as big as Nvidia obviously but it seems to me like something happened there other than like profit issues

And also I wonder why they didn't just go with AMD or hell even Intel I wonder what made them decide to leave the market altogether essentially and go figure it would to basically one of the best board partners there was

[hearty pollen]

iirc EVGA was fed up with Nvidia being difficult to work with. At least thats the short version

[steep hatch]

Sapphire is probably my pick for number 1 now that evga is gone.

As far as quality of their boards and warranties

[hearty pollen]

I was very close to buy a zotac something 4070ti heavgily discounted the other day, but it has apparently issues with noisy fans (or the motor actually) but for 1k ish usd it is a bargain....

[flat brook]

Jesus, I’m glad I got my 4070Ti-S for like 850

[hearty pollen]

To be fair, this is norway, and my 4070 cost 780 or so usd at release. So its still a freaking bargain

[steep hatch]

Bro you want to talk about noisy I built a friend's computer about a month ago and he decided to go with a XFX 6650 XT granted obviously it wasn't a powerful build or anything he just wanted something you know he could mess around on got it for a good price but my God for that card to have been bought new the amount of coil wine that son of a b**** has is insane bro

[high quarry]

4070 Ti Super starting price is around $900 in Europe.

and I can get a 7900xtx for that price..

[hearty pollen]

Europe. Norway is typically on the higher end, especially now that they stopped making them. we arent in EU.

[steep hatch]

Like I thought my hearing had finally been damaged enough to where I couldn't hear coil whine anymore because my 5,700xt had coil wine on a very specific game but I noticed it quit doing it so I was like well I guess my hearing is finally starting to give out nope you can hear his card from four blocks away

[high quarry]

Yeh, you'd have to be able to order from GER or something.

[hearty pollen]

yeah, and thats not worth the hassle, or missing out on 5 years of warranty.

[hearty pollen]

My god, that has to be RMA worthy?!

[flat brook]

^

4070Ti-S was on sale for 850, 7900XTX at the time was 1100 in Holland, now at 1040.

From my trusted retailer that is, have good ties with them. If I end up having issues I can just drive to the shop and swap out parts, hassle free

[steep hatch]

That's what I told him to do but from Reading around it seems like the consensus is most companies don't treat coil wine as an RMA'able

[hearty pollen]

While thats true, a coilwhine this loud is a solid arguable cause in my opinion, But i might be blessed by stupidly strong consumer laws.

[high quarry]

7900xtx is under 1K EUR here for now, but it prob wont last long

[steep hatch]

I mean it all else fails couldn't you just oscillate where the sound is coming from and bathe that son of a b**** in hot glue or something. 🤣

[flat brook]

Screw it, one less fan to worry about

[hearty pollen]

That can be argued to void any future RMA claims sadly. If the company is stubborn

[steep hatch]

Isolate I don't know why I text to speech has such a hard time in 2024

[hearty pollen]

Lmao what are you using text to speech?!

[high quarry]

if I had the money spare right now, I'd prob be picking this thing up: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GtXJ7P/xfx-speedster-merc-310-black-edition-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-24-gb-video-card-rx-79xmercb9

[steep hatch]

Haha yeah I'm just chilling in bed with mg catto 😆

[hearty pollen]

"Out of stock"

[high quarry]

in stock here, but 917 EUR

[hearty pollen]

Wild. Pet kitty for me!

[flat brook]

Honestly thinking about moving to Belgium. Taxes and inflation here are killing me.

XTX for 917€, yes please. I’ll gladly throw another 200 at it for a PSU as well

[steep hatch]

Man that 7900xt for 699$ is starting to look better and better

[hearty pollen]

Dutch right? I see some news here and there with increasingly discontent citizens. So its actually true huh?

[flat brook]

Stay away. It’s a mess. And that’s coming from a US born citizen. Greenwood Sippi is paradise compared to this

[hearty pollen]

oh im perfectly fine in my "socialist hell" here in Norway. (according to a floridan i spoke with)

[flat brook]

Lmfao

[high quarry]

The 7900XT 20GB is more like 725 EUR

[steep hatch]

Its amazing that having your tax dollars go towards the mutual benefit of your average citizen somehow gets construed into that being a socialist hellscape not to get political but that doesn't make any sense to me

[flat brook]

That one was on my list last year, it was 780 at the time, figured I’d shill out the 70 extra bucks for the 4070Ti-S, and be confident my PSU could handle it as well

[hearty pollen]

yes its so horrible here in this socialist, sorry i ment commie hellhole. Poor us! Jokes aside, and im sad to hear about your country, there is increasingly more and more distress in virtually all european countries currently. so the grass might not be greener on the other side in near future.

[flat brook]

It’s just common sense really, but at some point things get out of hand, like they’re doing here. I gave away nearly 50% of my income for 8 years to our local IRS, ended up in a burnout 2 years ago due to budget constraints at work and my wife being chronically ill. Everything I have currently is going towards her (with all the love in my heart) but the inflation is starting to gauge at my bank account.

[hearty pollen]

Ah, right politics are completely banned here. I guess small jokes (even aligned ones) is off the table. My bad. This got out of hand OT anyways

[steep hatch]

I mean every country is going to have its ups and downs but like here in the states it blows my mind that we cannot seem to grasp or or unwilling to even try to implement policy that a lot of other First World countries are doing and have done for decades now like Universal Health Care but it's not the fact that we can't do it they just don't want to because too much money is involved with it

[flat brook]

This is economy, not politics But agreed, debating it is just wasted energy

[hearty pollen]

Great wasted energy in my opinion, but ya. I guess i can expect a warning from a mod sooner or later.

[steep hatch]

We'll all just point at each other like the Spider-Man meme

[flat brook]

5090 Ti priced at 4999!!!

12% raster performance gain over 4090!!!!

DLSS 17.0!!!!

[steep hatch]

And dear God I hope not I just now got my tongue gave back to me from GSC after being muted for like 3 weeks straight

[hearty pollen]

i would not even be suprised.

3 weeks? how the F did you manage that? Here? @steep hatch

[flat brook]

There, the scales have been balanced

[steep hatch]

I can only assume it was discussing the dev build not the one that they leaked in their own update not that one but the one that was leaked about a year and a half prior to the game coming out but I don't know that for a fact because I never got a message from anyone

[hearty pollen]

Is there any difference except vram? For me it makes little sense to pick the 24gb. I men sure okay 4k games, but at that point, xx90 cards are the pick.

[hearty pollen]

Thats really stupid. Honestly, while you kiiinda sorta isnt, but you are in my opinion, entitled to at least a short message to explain it. Like how are you supposed to learn, since its not a permaban

[steep hatch]

Yeah true and it's not like I wouldn't have stopped talking about it if I had just been told you know hey you can't discuss that here but I assumed since the game was out and there wasn't anything of value that was really lost it's not like the source code of the game was leaked in that build or anything that they honestly wouldn't care but I don't know

[hearty pollen]

I have a phd in arguing with mods on discord, and historically i've gotten the better end of it, but these mods seems really angry.

[steep hatch]

And then not a week later they go and leak their dev kit or Dev tools in the very next update to the base game which I thought was chefs kiss good🤣

[steep hatch]

Hahaha I can I only imagine the unhinged lunacy that they have to deal with on a daily basis though

[hearty pollen]

No less of a excuse to be a decent human towards other decently behaving humans with minor violations (aka anything non permaban)

[flat brook]

WELP.

Half of my cigarette just got consumed by my front 140mm fans

[steep hatch]

And hell I would still be muted right now if it wasn't for the fact that I just used the GSC answers question submission form to ask what song was used in their accolades trailer and then in the very bottom part I'm like also when can I have my tongue back they never answered the question about the song but I randomly got my ability to speak back Lmao

[hearty pollen]

aaaah, dutch.

[flat brook]

2AM moment. Usually have it in my right hand, was holding it with left for some reason, went to walk around case to unplug my HOTAS, bumped cigarette into grill

[hearty pollen]

Wait what, isnt it 3am there?

[flat brook]

2:19

[steep hatch]

Do you dare question the time traveling wizard?!

[flat brook]

Im not THAT high man….

[steep hatch]

🤣🤣😂

[hearty pollen]

eeer, i need to refresh my geography. Besides, i messed up and ment 1pm.

[steep hatch]

Buddy you're going to have to lay off the Galaxy gas now you're lost in the sauce

[flat brook]

Good news, filter caught half of the ash, the rest seemed to have gone out the back and top

[steep hatch]

Just remember if you ever go to smoke jellyfish you have to roll it using wax paper otherwise it just becomes a big soggy moist mess

[wicked meteor]

Witcher 4 announced sicj

[mellow egret]

^ I was really looking forward to the new Dragon Age game but so far from what I've seen it's not great

[rough gale]

memory leak patch ?

[hearty pollen]

Not yet, sadly. Some have had decent results turning off framegen, but not everyone has the hardware to do that. Ymmw

[rough gale]

oh i see thank mate

[flat brook]

So bloody hyped

[raw sleet]

"The Upscaler 4: Assassins of GPU's"

[flat brook]

If they’re gonna be using UE5, definitely a possibility. Just hope they jump right onto 5.4/5 and do some actual optimization.

Although I do have to say, doing a new modded Cyberpunk playthrough current, game looks and runs like a dream currently. Albeit it many years after release

[raw sleet]

2077 (RedEngine) ran pretty good for me even at release on my 2080ti, but also without using RT features (1st gen rtx not so great at it) the only actual probs I had were side quests that wouldn't complete; nothing technical in nature

runs even better now though without a doubt, can hit 120fps in the benchmarks on mostly high settings without raytracing and without upscaling

[fluid wagon]

#politics-specs

[steep hatch]

That's why I wish they wouldn't have abandoned that engine. Looking past the shittastic state CP1.0 was. I wholeheartedly believe the RedEngine is one of the only engines that could go toe to toe with UE5 in terms of tech, graphics and definitely beat it in terms of optimization. Go look up any of the newer Next Gen Dreams Cyberpunk videos. they're straight insanity. They just posted one of CP2077 with a Bodycam footage mod, and that shit looks so good its crazy
Now imagine what people could do if they had access to the actual engine itself.
Would be nice if CDPR open sourced it, never happen, but would be nice.

But that W4 trailer was soooo good haha

Gotta love the little blurb at the start captured on unreleased Nvidia card, ie, probably a 2 grand 5090

[austere crane]

jeezus https://imgur.com/zVvb98T

[pseudo blade]

Witcher 4 in UE5? RIP 8GB VRAM

you can place a bet on nvidia releasing 8GB VRAM RTX 50xx

[glass vault]

5060 is 8gb

[pseudo blade]

now look at this trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-l29HlKkXU

[lapis gale]

Hm

[dry lynx]

Please don't start with that there's empty bottles in front of an elderly care home that is next to my house

[steep hatch]

I was just messin around, besides that my escapade days are behind me. I struggled with about everything under the sun BESIDES galaxy gas, I most certainly dont need to add it to the list XD

[dry lynx]

Shits atrocious they don't even pull them out of the cardboard boxes anymore

[steep hatch]

Oh of course. Thats why im glad intel's getting their shit together in the GPU department, and if AMD don't wanna do any better hopefully Intel can, because we desperately need better GPU options outside dropping 600+ dollars on one

Shakes fist back in my day $299 bought you the top of the line video card by a mile.. Which was the Radeon 9800Pro
Back before amd bought ATI and ATI was straight fire back then.

[high quarry]

ATI carried them for a further 2 years before AMD starting deviating to what ATI would typically do.

[lavish mason]

It got pulled from sale for the consoles didn't it? It was widely panned for the state it launched. Both in performance and features not working as intended.
They did a great job fixing it with time though. Up there with the turnaround that happened on the other launch mess that sticks in the mind, no mans sky

[lavish mason]

Mate intel is selling their GPU division next year.

It's impressive how fast they can burn through funds. You couldn't physically burn cash that fast

[wooden rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1147516789056606330/1316942659839066183/image.png?ex=675ce1ed&is=675b906d&hm=d54da700f2eff1c2b75c0036920959ef9c03d9392091be7bd49999808c5e0ac5&

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[lavish mason]

They burned a nine billion dollar operating loss on revenue of 16 bil. They probably can't afford to sell the card at a loss, and one only has to look at BOM for Nvidia and AMD GPUs to see they have Indeed been making hay with profit margins.
But how intel funds their GPU business on the future? No idea

[lavish mason]

What forums that chat from btw, very sensible and informative die calc chat

[wooden rapids]

Well, tech powerup and GN just disassembled the card. And then nerdy boys just figured it out

[stable kite]

F**** Friday still no patch hope they release today, any movement on that steam data base ?

[untold marsh]

Intel having it's own waffer factories is their killer feature imo. All competitors on CPU/GPU uses external plants, and intel atleast is less subject to factory time costs and can have a predictable output. I wish they continue their efforts, because if they can start to enter the upper-middle performance point they will probably slash prices in half and still make a profit 😅

[wooden rapids]

I have bad news for you… they are currently not commercially operational. Last I checked, Broadcom grilled them for not making chips good enough

[lavish mason]

I used to watch a Scottish chap with a wafer defect calc and he did all this sort of thing on his vids, was a great resource around the launch of Ryzen and the whole ,over to chipletts

[stable kite]

watched so many times, if i am not wrong its a sidequest too

[wooden rapids]

Can you check on me if b580 is a monolithic design? Because that does affect the cost and yield

[untold marsh]

Seems like it's prettyt operationnal lately. It's around the same defect rate as TSMC from the latest reports from monday

[lavish mason]

Have you seen how much of their company wide loss is down to Intel's fab business? I'm semi joking (pun lol) they sell their GPU arm, but just today news is out they are considering spinning off the fab business into a separate arm. Because it posted a 7 billion loss this year and a 5 bill loss last year, and this year it's revenues are down 30 percent too. Intel's fab business is like gloflo was before AMD flogged it. Totally knackered

[lavish mason]

Let's see if they stop buying tsms processes then and switch back to in house manufacturing

[untold marsh]

Kinda sad, I am no intel fanboy but I hope their strategy works in the long term, but it indeed seems it is sinking hard 😅

[lavish mason]

Wall street is very bullish on buying intel stock though currently. So presumably they have priced in a too big to fail/strategic importance buyout from the government

[lavish mason]

They lost me when they stifled CPUs for a decade due to poor competition.

[untold marsh]

Yea AMD Ryzen 2 was from heaven back when CPU prices were almost as crazy as GPU prices nowadays

[rare temple]

I really want to get the B580 with 12GB VRAM. I think that's a limited edition though. So far, Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus are singing some major praises for it based on the price. Just need to convince the wife that I need to replace my GPU. lol! I mean, it doesn't blow everything out of the water, but I'm looking at the price/performance advantage, and I'm still stuck with a 1080p monitor.

[shut elbow]

convince the wife that I need to replace my GPU
lul
u want it, u buy it, simple as

[rare temple]

LOL! You don't know my wife. Talk about being in the dog house! lol! Plus, our oldest daughter is getting married next year, so we're trying to save up as much money as possible. The groom's side of the family is huge!

[spare coral]

Tell your wife that the gpu died
(Could work)

[rare temple]

Of course, I keep forgetting, I'm on a B450 motherboard with PCIe 3. Ugh. I'm sure that hurts as well.

[spare coral]

Shouldnt matter a lot for gpus
I think its only a loss of 3%

[lavish mason]

https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/13/intel_foundry_spinoff/?td=readmore

[edgy crest]

guys how can I have more fps in the game so its actually playable

[vapid wigeon]

Only matters if they're using a lot of lanes, period. On PCIE3 the lane usage differs vs 4 and 5 and the cpu/board and whats available and how its split up. So, if PCIE3 is saturated too much, it'll lower to x8, x4, and so on speeds. BUT thats not so common.

PCIE4 and 5 do it too but just saying. Anything PCIE3 usually has lesser lanes in general.

[wintry needle]

OK, question for those in the know, if you please
I'm on a B550 mobo. My CPU (5600x) is listed as having 24 PCIe lanes, 4 of which is reserved for talking to the chipset
Of the remaining 20, 16 is taken up by the GPU, and 4 by the nvme drive
Mobo docs say, if I add another nvme, I can't use the second GPU slot, which is fair enough, BUT
If I accidentally install my GPU in that slot, it would mean I'm limited to 4 lanes
How much of a performance impact would this have?

That slot goes through the chipset and so will only use 4 lanes ever, because it talks to the CPU via 4 lanes - which is fine for a nvme but maybe not for a GPU

[coral token]

it depends which slots are PCIE4.0 and 3.0 you need to plug GPU to highest PCIE slot

other than that if you use lower one it won't matter as it will not use the top for the lanes

also I finally got wrist brace and honestly helps with hand stability

[coral token]

GPU doesn't take 16 lanes

[coral token]

well it might but have to check through a lot of stuff if does

[glass vault]

usually it does unless is one of the gpus that only have wiring for x8

[coral token]

agreed

[glass vault]

or cheap motherboard

[coral token]

it also all depends which PCIE version GPU uses

[glass vault]

that doesn't change how many lanes it uses.

[coral token]

if it's PCIE4.0 and you use on PCIE3.0 it will be a bit bottlenecked

[wintry needle]

isn't that what the x16 means in PCIe 4.0 x16 ?

[glass vault]

yes

[coral token]

it means slot and GPU can use 16 but if GPU only uses 8 only 8 will be used

there's also a fact that not all GPUs that fit X16 slot use all 16 lanes

[glass vault]

they physically fit in the x16 slot but are wired for half because buget gpus

[wintry needle]

lads, it's a theoretical scenario, I have no complaints in this regard 🙂

GPU is a 6700xt, which according to wikipedia, is a 4.0 x16
mobo is MSI B550A-Pro which according to its manual, the primary slot is PCIe 3.0/4.0 x16

[plucky quail]

Its still insane how many think they can rock a 8GB card with FG on high

[wintry needle]

I probably should clean out the dust from my PC 😐

[blazing cape]

Alternatively... @foggy ferry? 👀

[foggy ferry]

Thanks for the heads-up

All posts should be deleted now

[blazing cape]

How much of a performance impact would this have?
These should roughly match your 6700 XT tier
Consider PCI-E 2.0 x8 equivalent to PCI-E 3.0 x4 per your question

• https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6600-xt-pci-express-scaling/
• https://gamersnexus.net/guides/3176-dual-titan-v-bandwidth-limit-test-x8-vs-x16
• (Even higher tier, but little difference) https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-pci-express-scaling/

[blazing cape]

And for your B580 concern, I've found these so far:

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/65084-battlemage-überzeugt-durch-preis-und-12-gb-intel-arc-b580-im-test.html?start=13

https://youtu.be/5b11GOrn29E?t=533
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1235198292892323841/1317081785091362906/image.png

[signal ridge]

No idea how nor why this fixed anything, just joined to share this
I'm running the most meh-mid build
Stock fan cooling
Ryzen 7 5800X & RTX 3060
Sub 60 degree temps, high quality, 100-120fps, DLSS quality, 16gb page file,, no performance issues, all because of this setting

Under power plan, edit the plan, look for processor minimum state and processor maximum state, set both to 99%
For whatever reason, that is still utterly beyond me, this handles slug, temps and loading

Was having weird issues with a game called raft and noticed in a steam community post, that was the fix for raft, later on came back to stalker and majority of weird issues that were there before were no longer there, so I defaulted the above settings and the issues returned to stalker, set them back to 99/99 again and alas, issues are gone

Thought I'd share incase anyone could make heads or tails of why and possibly help anyone

[plucky quail]

Insane you can sell your Nvidia Card 4060 get better performance with almost no more up cost. 4060 get Sold at 230€-270€ used (I am from germany and we have almost same as US prices)

[blazing cape]

Basically just limiting the CPU's clocks from dynamically lowering or boosting, and forcing it to a static/constrained state. If temps really aren't an issue, I'd expect installing the Ryzen chipset driver for your board and a Balanced power plan to be sufficient.

[signal ridge]

Yeah the temps were the main thing that caught my eye which made me think it was possibly worth sharing, sitting at a consistent 78-85, changing that setting and now hitting a max of 59 with an overall avg of 54 felt like such a steep difference

[blazing cape]

To perhaps retain more clock performance without resorting to that, look into setting a power limit via Eco Mode or PBO in the BIOS. But your solution is the simpler one for now.

[hoary crane]

i managed to run it on 180 fps 1440p on 3060 laptop

[stable kite]

Sirca labs is a pain in the ass with all those nps and frame drops jezz

even if i set all to low, drops to 10 fps from nowhere unplayable will try to rush out of this place as fast as i can

[fervent yacht]

Anyone know this crash error?

LowLevelFatalError [File:D:\STALKER2\s2editor\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Util.cpp] [Line: 880] CurrentQueue.Device->GetDevice()->GetDeviceRemovedReason() failed at D:\STALKER2\s2editor\Engine\Source\Runtime\D3D12RHI\Private\D3D12Submission.cpp:910 with error 887A0006

[blazing cape]

Seems to have lost the graphic card. Could update the graphic driver, or reinstall it after using display driver utility (DDU). Could just be the game until updates as well.

[fervent yacht]

I see. Thanks a bunch!

[raw sleet]

This happens fairly frequently with my 2080ti but only in Stalker2. Something either GSC needs to fix or the 2080ti just can't handle what UE5 is telling it to do

[spiral forum]

Are they optimizing the game in future updates?

[high quarry]

Either UE5 doing something DX12 incompatible (unlikely), or your GPU/Driver is unstable.

[serene meteor]

any new patch resolving the fps drop bug?

[hearty pollen]

No and apparently the next patch is not coming anytime soon. Which is really effin stupid, as baseline quests are bugged beyond redemption!

[dry hornet]

does anyone know why some commands do not work in the INI but work just fine when you type them into the console.

these two screenshots have the same commands but one set is in the INI and one set is throught the console. #📸┃screenshots_and_videos message

[high quarry]

They are both under Rendering, so should work under [/Script/Engine.RendererSettings] in Engine.ini

[fervent yacht]

I got a 3060 12gb model. So it's highly likely UE5 not being what it should/should've been...

[late robin]

Been thinking about upgrading my 2070 to a 4070, think my i7 12700k will still suffice with that gpu to run the game alright?

[high quarry]

12700k is a fair mid-range CPU now

[sly lotus]

It’ll be fine paired with a 4070

I’d go with a 4070 super or TI tho. Only a little bit more for a decent amount more performance but that’s all up to you.

[high quarry]

or a 7900GRE, depending on price.

[south light]

can tell you it wont

[sly lotus]

You just need to fiddle with settings, if you’re running at 1080 itll be fine.

[south light]

i got a 4070 super an a r7 5800x

[high quarry]

yeh, settings, upscaling and framegen

7800XT, playing at a comfortable 140-150, 1440, FSR UQ, FG

[sly lotus]

Idk why bro said it wouldn’t run well

A 4070 and an I7 will be fine by itself for a majority of games if you tune them right. Especially at 1080

1440 is iffy I’d assume but probably still fine with DLSS and Frame Gen.

[high quarry]

Yeh, gotta upscale at 1440

This is with upscale and framegen, just heading into Zalissya: https://i.imgur.com/BLqDBT6.jpeg

[sly lotus]

Looks fine, but it’s at night so

[high quarry]

True, much easier to see upscaling in day: https://i.imgur.com/6VDm46v.jpeg

[late robin]

Im a 1080p guy, dont care much for anything above but thx for the input

[sly lotus]

Not seeing any artifacts or weird haziness

[high quarry]

because its 77%, not the FSR Q 66.6666%

[sly lotus]

Which is surprising, usually upscaling for me artifacts a bit on my old rig

[sly lotus]

Yeah you’ll be fine then. If you have slowdowns, just upscale and frame gen.

[high quarry]

so its ~1972x1109 upscaled to 2560x1440

[sly lotus]

Check your ram tho, 32gb kits aren’t that expensive anymore, worth the upgrade.

If you’re still running 16 that is

[edgy gust]

Yeah it'll be fine, you'll get more out of a gpu upgrade than a cpu one for sure

[high quarry]

These guys keep constatly freaking out like they are still being attacked: https://i.imgur.com/GlXmrK3.jpeg

[edgy gust]

The Monolithians?

[high quarry]

they are no longer attacking

[edgy gust]

If you have UETools you can insert this into the console command to fix this bug:

XKillNPCInRadius 5000000 -99999999999999999999999999 -1000

[high quarry]

wont that mess with the other NPCs?

[edgy gust]

Nah

[high quarry]

Finally.. it stopped raining https://i.imgur.com/THGhXaW.jpeg

and now the sun is out, this is when the game starts to look its best IMO
https://i.imgur.com/vuW2tZ4.jpeg

[late robin]

Found a B580 for 300$, anyone have experience with these? Does it stand up to the 40 series?

[high quarry]

better than 4060, especially the 8GB

[flat brook]

^ Surpasses the 4060, trades significant blows with the 4060 Ti

I’d look at benchmarks for the specific titles you’re interested in, but so far the B580 has been an amazing performer for the price

[high quarry]

Should be the best option in its price -range, pitty it sold out pretty much instantly at MSRP

[late robin]

Yeah, im trying to find comparisons between it and the 4070

[high quarry]

still a big gap to 4070

We need a B770/80 to beat that

This seems pretty accurate to where it sits in VRAM demanding titles: https://i.imgur.com/5OZF9tx.png

All those 8GB cards choking

You must make sure you have a setup where you can turn on resizable bar, the Intel GPUs require it.

[lofty totem]

Go for 4070 super if its not much more expensive

[high quarry]

4070 super is a different class, will prob be 2x the price

[late robin]

Yeah, might just go for 4070, twice the price but itll last longer

[lofty totem]

4070 super is better value in general

[high quarry]

7700XT then sits inbetween

[late robin]

Never had an amd, prices for a 7700 is like 550 while the 4070 super is around 700 here

[high quarry]

Yeh, those prices are rough

[lofty totem]

Also dont upgrade rn, wait for 5000 series launch

[high quarry]

You could be able to get 7800XT for 550

and a 7900XT for 700, which is immensely faster than 4070 super

[flat brook]

Depending on region, maybe even a 7900 GRE for 600

[late robin]

545$ exactly

[high quarry]

GRE is a sweet spot, but availability and pricing are very inconsistent

[flat brook]

If you can pick up a GRE for 650 or below, I’d go for that. It leads the 4070S by 5-10% depending on the title

[lofty totem]

AMD cards:
Pros: Cheap
Cons: Cheap

[steep hatch]

Yeah, Ill be honest I think a good handful of people that's blaming memory leaks still are just trying to push settings to high not realizing that FG eats Vram as well. So you take a game that's already vram hungry, plus the issues it does have with memory leaks at times, then settings being too high and everything else and it's a disaster waiting to happen.

Just checked newegg and every single B580 is already sold out =[
well the ones that aren't scalping prices

Looks like im gonna be using my Nitro + 5700XT for as long as I used my damn 280X back in the day..

Also just as a FYI (You may already know this) but when it comes to atleast the Sparkle brand B580 it is literally the exact same card with a different 3 fan cooler, It even tests 1-1 with the Intel B580, so anyone looking to buy one, just save yourself the extra $20 and get the Intel one if you can find it. (The rate boost freqency is higher on the sparkle but both top out at 2850 anyways so there's no point)

[plucky quail]

I mean intel just dropped a good Card for those that are waiting for a good Low-end GPU. Now lets see if the other 2 are following with price drops

[steep hatch]

Most definitely, the B580 is a killer card for the price, and I hope that the stories about intel leaving the GPU market are false because comparing the progress from their A series cards to this series in terms of performance efficiency is a jump we've not seen in a while and with Intel's second gen card they already are whooping AMD's ass in Raytracing performance at that tier. and like I was saying yesterday I think if intel can expand upon and scale what they're doing with the 580 up they would have a beast of a mid tier or higher card on their hands

[faint patio]

yoooooooooooooo havent played in what feels like 3 weeks....loading shaders taking a min lmaoooooo gooooodness

[steep hatch]

Go on Nexus and get that no shader comp mod.. That screen is doing nothing but wasting your time after the initital

[faint patio]

ahhh damn ill look into it thanks

[steep hatch]

Now if you change a bunch of video settings I would recommend letting it go back through once, and then turning the mod back on, otehrwise leave it on

[plucky quail]

Yea its slowly getting usefull having RT in a GPU last seen with Indiana. Even if its far away for Real RT, PT being something that gonna for low end least with the RTX8000.

[high quarry]

For the rest, just find a balance of settings, and upscaling, and framegen (if you want smoothness) that works for you, i.e 1440 @ 144

All Epic is nice and all, but a balance with FSR can still look good. I think its a fair compromise:

https://i.imgur.com/5oPqPVy.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/IuhqupL.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/Ds9nckk.jpeg

[flat brook]

I’ve never cared much for RT until I had the change to play Cyberpunk with RT + RR at 120 FPS +

Credit where credit’s due, Redengine is a beast, and 2077 looks amazing these days

[plucky quail]

I just use in CP77 the reflection and Near shadow setting. Anything else is useless till PT. I watched extra the HUB vid so i get more FPS out.

[flat brook]

I just put all RT on with lighting at ultra, DLAA + FG and sitting between 120/130 FPS, feels great and looks amazing

[hoary crane]

so after playing for 3 hours, and exiting lesser zone my issues finally started again (yay....) i go from avg of 100 fps to drops to 8 fps in most random places, even places where theres nothing new to load (same story, cpu usage drops, everything stays the same, temps low)

lowest settings dlss performance, fsr frame gen on

[high quarry]

Sounds like an old 8GB card

[plucky quail]

What you got? RTX 4090?

[flat brook]

4070TI-S

[plucky quail]

1440P

[flat brook]

Yes

[plucky quail]

Oh lol didnt read that you have FG XD ya ok that makes sense. I was like huh? How is he as good as a 4090?

[flat brook]

I do have a little “engine” tweak here and there, mostly to make Ray reconstruction more efficient without costing too much visual fidelity

Otherwise with DLAA+FG I was between 100-110 at max base settings, Ultra RT no PT

[cold orchid]

how do u enter the spark bunker

[flat brook]

Now between 120-130

[grizzled drift]

Can also overclock the GRE and get some nice gains out of it, Hardware Unboxed has a video on it

[hard arrow]

frame gen uses more vram than frame gen off, you should lower some setting so you can leave enough wiggle room in the vram

[hoary crane]

settings on lowest

[hard arrow]

mmm playing in 2k?

[hoary crane]

im playing on 1440p, i tried playing on lower res but issue still is there (even at 720p)

same story, doesnt change how often it happens.

ram usage is around 80%, all temps insanely low, when cpu usage spikes down everything else remains the same or slightly lowers

[hard arrow]

mmmm thats weird. one guy also have some weird memory leak like that, and the guy had a much powerful gpu than my , and i didnt had any of those. Its so weird, i feel is a compatibilty problem with the gpu

[hoary crane]

my father on 4080 super is having similiar issues @ 5400x1440 but drops down to 20 instead of 8

[hard arrow]

yes ! exactly , same symptom, 20% cpu and gpu , low fps, vram not being used

[hoary crane]

i have around 1-2gb vram left at all times, same for ram

[hard arrow]

there is something weird going on with the 40 series , maybe... im not sure but i have a 3060ti and that doesnt happens

[hoary crane]

steamweb helper uses 700mb but from what ive read its not "real memory"

[hard arrow]

literally played the game for 50 hours never had memory leak

[hoary crane]

i have 15h on steam, 2h in game time cause of the fps drops, straight up UNPLAYABLE

~~2h save file time

id accept that my pc sucks if it would happen at zaylissa or other camps or highly populated area's but i could have 100 frames there and next second it drops

or enter a basement have 100 in there, switch to knife, punch a medkit and boom back to 8

even in areas where there is NOTHING to load i still have frame drops

[hard arrow]

yes there is something going on that doesnt make sense, do you have all the configurations in windows and nvidia to increase gpu usage?

maximum performance in nvidia? hardware-accelerated gpu scheduling on? (this one increased my fps TREMENDOUSLY makes the proccessing of each frame not wait for the CPU. instead the gpu and the cpu together can process every frame , stopping cpu bottleneck in some cases)

[hoary crane]

gpu usage is around 90-0
100%, performance nvidia cpu selected in controll panel if thats what u mean

[hard arrow]

check that "hardware accelerated gpu scheduling" thing it does makes a big difference maybe it could help. Its on windows config

[hoary crane]

wait ur running 3060ti PC ver? what frames are u getting

at what res

[hard arrow]

locked at 75fps because of my monitor is 75hz, but i could reach 90 fps with 1080p frame gen on , DLSS DLAA, 13 ms input delay (unnoticable) with increased lod for grass and trees (makes trees/grass not pop in anymore but at the cost of some performance hit)

[cold orchid]

im at zalissya and i hear shooting and i cant do this side quest cause the dorr is locked

[hard arrow]

Rarely drop below 75 for me, it stays there all day every day

[cold orchid]

any way to fix it

[hoary crane]

what graphics settings?

[hoary crane]

wrong channel bud

[flat brook]

The shooting is just ambient audio, use UETools mod with the command uetools_ghost to phase through the door

[hard arrow]

everything low, high shadow ,epic texture, epic sky , epic clouds

[cold orchid]

ok thx

[hoary crane]

are u mental for epic sky and clouds? that takes away so many frames, when are you looking at the sky 😭

[flat brook]

Epic sky/clouds has no noticeable impact for me, but I do have a slightly beefier card. They just look so good on epic though

[hoary crane]

isnt 3060ti meant for budget 1440p gaming tho? it would be very weird if u werent stable 144 @1080p

[hard arrow]

epic sky epic clouds dont affect FPS, for me has 0 fps loss, i already test it, the only difference between epic sky and clouds is minimal ,
-low sky and clouds looks okey
-epic sky and clouds have shadows and more volume

[hoary crane]

ur a criminal for 75hz main screen with that pc

i have great screens, shittier pc, ur the opposite

[hard arrow]

not in stalker, 144 1080p is mental , the game lacks alot of performance, in other games ? yes ofcourse in stalker no.

[hard arrow]

it looks fine for me , i have 0 issue, its a freesync, low latency monitor, great size, budget monitor yes, but great image, speed.

[hard arrow]

you have a 4080 super bro thats shitty? sorry i dont live in dubai

[hoary crane]

thats my fathers pc, im rocking a laptop 3060

[hard arrow]

ahh my bad

[hoary crane]

yes i have a laptop setup with, 1440p main screen 34" and a side screen

[hard arrow]

anyways its so weird you get those memory leaks , i feel like UE5 depends alot on the windows configurations, i optimized drivers, installed injects and changed windows 10 configs and the game got alot better , it was never like this in other engines.

[hoary crane]

im on w11, just updated to newest version havent lauched it since, maybe it will help

[hard arrow]

look at optimization windows 11 guides, some things in windows configuration creates alot of problems for gaming. And they come on by default

[hoary crane]

i did that shit so many times, cant even count how many

give us a new windows as good as 7 or 10 or istg we all switching to linux at some point

w10 is losing support soon no? and w11 is so garbage

[hard arrow]

honestly it doesnt need support

OS works fine as its

my mentality , if it works , dont fix it.

[hoary crane]

wait untill they pull the shit that apple does on their devices kekw

[hard arrow]

what they did?

[hoary crane]

slowing down older os and devices on purpose

[hard arrow]

they didnt do that to windows 7 right? i hope not

[hoary crane]

not microsoft, apple did that

[hard arrow]

we good, bill is crazy but not that crazy

[zenith heart]

I playing on a laptop with :
13th gen intel i7-13620H
16Gb Ram
Rtx 4060 laptop gpu
I get very low fps whenever I go inside a building with npcs or just buildings in general
Is my laptop just not enough for this game or there's some kind of optimization issue ?

[spark bobcat]

well, you could def use more ram, i have 32 myself. i also run a 4060 (which im now realizing isnt the best gpu) and get about 80 on avg and 70-75 in towns (all on medium settings, DLSS balanced and frame gen on).
the game is pretty badly optimized tho. we really shouldnt be getting THAT low framerate on lower settings

[zenith heart]

i tried to turn on vsync and limit it to 60 fps so i can get stable fps but it really doesnt do much i still get 60 fps but it drops every 5 seconds when i go near an npc

i really hope they gonna optimize the game i dont think the laptop i use is that old yet

[spark bobcat]

yeah i tried caping the game at 60 fps too. and it still dips into 50-55. makes no sense

[late ferry]

mikespike06 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[spark bobcat]

oh shoot i didnt know lol

[zenith heart]

what were u tryna sa

[spark bobcat]

just that nvidia made the 4060 pretty grabage. even the 4070 you get 20-30 more fps then with the 60

[zenith heart]

kinda sad i guess im just gonna wait til the devs release an optimization patch or sth i really cant enjoy the game to the fullest with it spiking up and down

forgot to mention the version i play is the xbox gamepass version if that has anything to do with the optimization

[spark bobcat]

i feel ya. i was really looking forward to playing this game, but its very hard to with the poor optimization and the god awful memory leaks

[flint spoke]

13ms input delay 'unoticeable' bruh wat

[flint spoke]

doesnt matter, game chugs on cpus anyway

[hearty pollen]

Eh, its a subjective thing. Most would probably notice, but not everyone, and not everyone who notices cares.

[flint spoke]

a 5800x3d cpu bounds the game

[flint spoke]

i agree, but its just wild to see written

[boreal cobalt]

One thing I've noticed is that 90% of the time I get huge frame drops/stuttering is when CPU usage drops to like 5%. I've heard that the game is heavily CPU bottlenecked, but it seems to me like it just stops using my CPU randomly?

[flint spoke]

cause certain aspects of the engine only use a handful of threads

game can't run ai or whatever its doing on your entire cpu

[boreal cobalt]

I see

[flint spoke]

honestly I think they ran out of time optimizing it, because a 5800x3d shouldn't struggle

[hearty pollen]

Also, cpus and game engines are so complex nowadays looking at utilisation alone (even core) rarely tells the whole picture.

[flint spoke]

yup

[hearty pollen]

my 7800x3d struggles, badly

[flint spoke]

yup its insaane

the only thing that helped me was enabling the d3d12 pso disk cache optimizer, but i've heard of issues using that on AMD, and the game uses ~26gb of ram with it enabled so idk if peopel with 16gb can even use it

[hearty pollen]

Elaborate

[flint spoke]

i actually think it shipped with it enabled but was disabled due to mem leaks, but i think they're fixed

in your engine ini

[hearty pollen]

Mem leaks are for sure not fixed. They are less prominent, but still a huge problem.

[flint spoke]

not all of them, no, but possibly for the cache optimizer

[hearty pollen]

Hmm.

[flint spoke]

D3D12.PSO.DriverOptimizedDiskCache=1

go to like red forest or yaniv and try with this on, see if it feels better, total fps prob won't change but the lows should be better

C:\Users\INSERTUSERHERE\AppData\Local\Stalker2\Saved\Config\Windows in the Engine.ini

[hearty pollen]

I only have fps issues in settlements, mostly because of bruteforce its acceptable otherwise

[flint spoke]

for me the north part of the game had pretty significant traversal like micro stutter

and rostok

[hearty pollen]

Naaah thats fine honestly. only in settlements, which isnt a big issue as you typically only sell loot, repait, stock up etc.

[flint spoke]

i hated it, even red forest felt laggy

[hearty pollen]

||ignoring quests in settlements, but thats kinda not a big thing either||

[flint spoke]

yeah for my cpu, thats how I felt until I reached the north, and then I was like oh shit this runs way worse than the rest of the game lol

but either way neither of us should have to brute for it imo, i feel like thats crazy

[hearty pollen]

ie pripyat?

[flint spoke]

yaniv, red forest, haven't been to pripyat yet

now its like, fine

[hearty pollen]

If so, ive just been there "illegally" so far by jumping the excavator, and the performance seemed fine there.

[flint spoke]

yeah its not nearly as dense as the areas right next to it

mod wise the only one, outside that specific engine setting I mentioned that seemed to help was base optimized tweaks, everything else didn't help or made fps worse lol. i tried a bunch of them, its fine now tho

i think in like say a year the game will run better tbh

[hearty pollen]

Im carefully optimistic here, but i think we will see a 2077 redemption arc

[flint spoke]

yea, plus mod sdk things will get crazy once that is out

[hearty pollen]

Maybe, typically i despise anything involving mods in any game. But if i have to, i have to i guess

[flint spoke]

stalker and fallout both have great mod communities

its time consuming tho, really time consuming

thats the downside 😂

[hearty pollen]

Yeah, still hate it. quirks, unbalanced mods, spaghetti code, actually time investment in getting stuff to work etc etc... Honestly more or less never worth it

[flint spoke]

in my exp been totally worth it, but its a lot of effort to get it how you want it, and a lot of time, or you will end up with yeah an unbalanced mess

and like rn, 99% of the mods are fluff, terribly unbalanced, etc, but part of this is cause like, everyone is still digging into how things work, eventually there will be some really solid stuff

[flint spoke]

you criminial! we stalkers don't allow tresspassers

😉

haha see what I did there, Im so funny

[hearty pollen]

No, the sniper really took offense to me, but stims and redbull ftw!

[flint spoke]

mad lad 😂

[hard arrow]

13ms is unnoticable

regular reflex + framegen generates at least 100ms - 120ms in vanilla stalker2, with some modifications i got it to 13ms at 75fps. i can shot any npc in the head while he is moving in the middle of the night at 100mts, before with the awful delay that i have and many people have i couldnt shot a npc while he stood still

[hearty pollen]

It all adds up, and fluctuations more than anything.

[steep hatch]

Yeah for this game not to have any real AI tech going on behind the scenes yet I would like to know what in the **** is actually using that much CPU power.

[hard arrow]

i mean 13 in 1000 of a second is not that much of a delay, some people play some fps not knowing that if the combine monitor delay + windows unoptimized + vsync, they probably playing at 20ms and they dont even know it

[steep hatch]

this ^ besides that anyone that has played at 30fps already has a 33.3ms latency to worry about.

[hard arrow]

13ms input delay + the usual 5ms of the monitor + 10ms of render delay. I mean nobody is escaping the delay at drivers level and at monitor level . i honestly dont notice it any impact in my aim , i been pretty acurate while stalking around

[steep hatch]

I remember the moment I loaded this game up and that first cutscene played and my 5700X3D was sitting at like 80% util I was like...ohhh...ohhh noooo lmao

[late ferry]

cwayne1989 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[steep hatch]

jfc....

[hearty pollen]

hahahaha

[steep hatch]

What I was TRYING to say before I was rudely interupted but you need to make sure under task manager, services that you have AMD 3D-V Cache service listed their and it actually enabled and running

[hard arrow]

somehow the cutscenes put every graphics at max quality , i dont know what kind of technology its but its some kind of pre render/live render cutscene i havent look anything about it

[steep hatch]

Otherwise windows cant properly handle double CCX 3dv cache processors very well

[hearty pollen]

Wait hang on! This is something that has escaped me. Elaborate? Imma do a google run too but

[steep hatch]

Hang on, I will send you a video by Jaystwocents

[hearty pollen]

Thank you

[steep hatch]

he's the one that figured out windows was gimping the performance. and unless you have 24h2 (which I dont recommend because its a buggy ****show right now, you probably are dealing with the same problem

[hearty pollen]

Im patiently awaiting it, seemingly you can skip the majority of bugs by doing a fresh install instead of a update, which im very much considering

[steep hatch]

I wouldn't...seriously.. Just stay on 23 right now, I had the same idea you did and now i cant even recieve anymore windows updates because it keeps trying to install 24h2, but fails because IM ALREADY ON it, and even deleting the softwaredistro folder manually and restarting updates doesn't fix it

https://youtu.be/4wdQpVcL_a4?t=448 here ya go, its kinda long winded but he explains the issue in detail and what to check

16:59 is where you can skip to explaining and showing what I was talking about,

Let me know if it helps you out any. goodluck buddy!

[hearty pollen]

Im seemingly doing fine in that regard. That said, i might as well do a chipset update, im one revison behind

[steep hatch]

Alot of people dont even realize they're leaving like a 3rd of their performance off the table because of how **** windows kernel wants to handle those 7000+ series processors

[hearty pollen]

It's a different problem with the multi die x3ds vs single die however.

[steep hatch]

is yours a double or single? the 7 series had both right? or am i mistaken?

[hearty pollen]

7800x3d is not, neither is 5700/5800x3d or 9800x3d. This is for 7950x3d and similar which has actual multi die.

[steep hatch]

Ahhhh Okay, I gotcha, Yeah I knew the 5 series wasn't I just thought all the 7 series were.

Man it was cool asf for AMD to surprise drop us AM4 users the 5 series, even tho AM4s been EOL for forever now.

Compared to my 3600 it's like an entire generation leap really

[hearty pollen]

Arguably more

[shut elbow]

Yup like Chill said, only multi ccds suffer from it.
It would be nice to have all programs using cores, but to this day some games and programs use only one core

[steep hatch]

It's riduclous really.. We've had multicore/multithreaded CPU's since the Core 2 Duo days, and yet somehow haven't figured out proper usage yet.

Hell Athlon 64 days

[hearty pollen]

Hmm... ryzen master does not agree with the settings i know i have configured in bios. Worrying

[steep hatch]

I know some people swear by it, but RM has been a gigantic pain in the ass anytime I've tried to use it personally, and the fact you have to restart if you change anything makes it pointless imo

[hearty pollen]

I was gonna use it just to confirm stuff works, but i suddenly remembered why i uninstalled it, and now i gotta go into my bios just to make 100% sure it didnt faff with settings, or something else has happened to them. God dammit

[steep hatch]

It may not seem like much, but its definitely worth having a spare cheap ass flash drive laying around that you can keep your bio settings backed up on, because even if you save the profiles a bios update will wipe those out too

[shut elbow]

Maybe some day in the future, when we will have 164 cores cpu as basic and entry level, unity devs will learn to use 4 cores

[hearty pollen]

Funny, it also insists i dont have EXPO activated, but it is, benchmarks and windows task manger does confirm. What in the f....

[steep hatch]

164cores 😂 that reminds me of that supercomputer that was auctioned off and sold not to long ago.

damn thing needed its own power substation essentially lmao

Cheyenne I think was the name

[hearty pollen]

To be fair, multicore implementation is a true PITA, and you hit a lot of techincal and mathemathical issues with it. Its just one of those things that will always be inherently difficult. Which is silly, but a reality

[shut elbow]

I think recent dooms can use up to 32 or something like that xd

[steep hatch]

Unity has also been lackluster in general when it comes to multicore support up until just a few years ago, iirc

[hearty pollen]

Yeah, it's is obviously possible, but that doesnt make it easy right. Also easier the more dedicated a engine is to whatever task. Admittedly, this is where my understanding and knowledge on this stops.

[steep hatch]

The Cheyenne supercomputer's six-figure sale price comes with 8,064 Intel Xeon E5-2697 v4 processors with 18 cores / 36 threads at 2.3 GHz, which hover around $50 (£40) a piece on eBay. Paired with this armada of processors is 313 TB of RAM split between 4,890 64GB ECC-compliant modules, which command around $65 (£50) per stick online. For a deeper dive into Cheyenne's components and prime performance, check out our initial sale coverage. Unfortunately for buyers, none of the Cheyenne supercomputer's 32 petabytes of high-speed storage are being sold with the lot. Still, a savvy eBay seller could flip the processors and RAM across the machines for around $700,000 (£550,000), making a hefty profit.

8,064 Xeon E-5's @18 Cores each.... Am I understanding that correctly?

well, it was way more than 164 lmao

[shut elbow]

But... Can it runs crysis?

[steep hatch]

Sorry bro, already using it for my plex server

$500's in electric every 10 seconds of video transcoding XD

[hearty pollen]

Stupid plex, i dont know why, but it has started to insist transcoding 4k to 4k displays... it drives me insane.

[steep hatch]

Have you tried Jellyfin? I aint used it but see it recommended alot

[hearty pollen]

That would be a solution, but wouldnt fix the plex issue itself. Which im dead set on doing. Just whyyyy, i have directplay units for a reason, Plex

I still don't understand why windows haven't added a easy to find way to just reboot straight into bios. Surely it's a niche case I guess, but that would be such a qol instead of faffing with fn keys or uefi on advanced boot

[glass vault]

been using it im liking it alot more than plex. i even had the plex pass. jellyfin UI is similar to plex and has ability for plugins which are community made & helps me with automating subtitles

[hearty pollen]

Seemingly everything is fine in the bios. Stupid asus BIOS tho, 2 differerent places to activate PBO, seemingly doesnt overide eachother but idk wtf to get from this.

[glass vault]

make it select source

[hearty pollen]

Yeeeah, i wish that worked!

[glass vault]

maybe bandwidth issue. like the video is stored for 25MBps but the internet speed can only get 5MBps?

[hearty pollen]

This is locally on gigabit. I know everything is up to spec, as i have terminated everything myself and checked them all. It just randomly started, and its eating my CPU.

[glass vault]

its a thought happened a few times with mine. jellyfin seemed to be a bit better with this. haven't had transcoding yet hope it does happen or my 2 xeon cores are jumping off the bridge

jellyfin for me is a vm inside a vm on proxmox

[glass vault]

my only theory is the client is asking for transcoding

[hearty pollen]

Yes, thats a fair theory but it is configured to DP and ive tried changing, resetting, different clients and whatnot. im flabbergasted at this point

[glass vault]

plex always had one issue that broke the entire experience

[steep hatch]

I'm glad I'm not the only one whos noticed that, on my X570 Tuf Gaming its got PBO under the universal tweaker settings where you turn on XMP, Expo, etc etc, and it also has the same settings under CPU Overclocking..

[hearty pollen]

Yeeeah more or less the same on my b650. Which one am i supposed to care about, which one is right, which one is the master etc etc, so many questions, yet nobody seems to actually know.

[steep hatch]

I would venture to guess Asus don't either 😅

[glass vault]

the asus bios is a mess

[hearty pollen]

Asus is a mess*

[steep hatch]

Yeah...sadly... Asus used to mean decent quality.

[glass vault]

i still see them as quality just their support and software is garbage

[hearty pollen]

Yeah as i said yesterday, i exclusively used asus boards to OC and destroy intel CPUs because they had good VRMs and voltage controllers in the budget range it was outright superior.

[glass vault]

im liking the MSI boards i have used

[steep hatch]

omg.. that software is astrocious

[hearty pollen]

AIsuite is great, what do you mean!?! /s

[glass vault]

then their sonic suite or whatever breaks my bambu lab software becuase of some dumbass reason

i got a cisco server under my futon as a homelab got myself a heated bed at this point

[shut elbow]

Anus software is pretty bad, just like current msi

[steep hatch]

Good guy Asus, stepping up in place of Limewire and Kazaa to give our computer aids

[glass vault]

every motherboard software that runs on the OS is aids

once it installs it never goes away i swear

[hearty pollen]

Im willing to argue that MSI is slightly better, and that says a lot!

man, i wonder how many in here actually knows what kazaa is. Sure, limewire is one thing, but Kazaa was the OG aids delivery software.

[steep hatch]

Dude Kazaa was my shit back in the day.. but you're right, no one around my age group even knows wtf is it, its always the same few... Limewire, Frostwire, and of course the OG

Bearshare was another one I used alot

[hearty pollen]

i assume your nickname represents your age? if so, shouldnt most in your age group know of it?

[steep hatch]

They just never used it it seems like..that or dont remember it, although kinda hard to forget the name kazaa haha

[hearty pollen]

Bearshare LOL. Albeit, limewire, Kazaa and all the other used the same network for file sharing (which i dont remember the name of know)

[raw sleet]

<- used to get his warez from mIRC bots

[glass vault]

The one I've been seeing I soulseek

[hearty pollen]

aaaah, fond memories.

[steep hatch]

The day I learned about bittorrent it was like opening your third eye lmao

[hearty pollen]

Now i feel old, i need to drink some hard liqueur

[steep hatch]

XD

[glass vault]

Whiskey neat goes hard

[raw sleet]

jagerbombs with Bawls instead of red bulls lol

[hearty pollen]

Maaaaan... i remember aXXo, do you?

[steep hatch]

Dude...bawls....👍

[hearty pollen]

Yep, currently downing a talisker aged on port wine barrels.

[glass vault]

I got Pendleton

[hearty pollen]

Do you know what happened to him? I cant really support it by any sources, but iirc it was a movie theater operator with a big interest in IT, got caught eventually sadly. Our Hero!

(im assuming you remember aXXo)

[late ferry]

sqepticism has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hearty pollen]

Hahaha

[flint spoke]

rip

[hearty pollen]

Did you get timed out?

[flint spoke]

wrong place anyway

[blazing cape]

How's latency compare between DLSS Frame Gen and FSR Frame Gen in S2?

I've seen a lot of complaints about FG latency, but not a comparison of whether it's better/worse with one or the other

Don't have a 40 series card to test the DLSS implementation myself x)

[hard arrow]

from what i gather, FSR has less latency but by a small margen, i still would not use it, FSR makes the image quality a complete mess and might give you 5ms to 7ms less latency, not worth it. Right now its either DLSS technology if you have nvidia or TSR if you have AMD. Any other creates visual problems.

[blazing cape]

I understand the quality issues with the upscaler component, just wondering about the FG component academically. There's even mods that reduce the input latency to better use FSR FG, so just wondering whether DLSS has those same results.

[hard arrow]

Also in the testing ...if the frame rate is stable , DLSS have same latency as FSR, FSR gets a small latency difference since it uses less GPU, thus having less frame drop than DLSS who has better quality

[sudden anvil]

has anyone got the MEMORY_MANAGEMENT BSOD before? suprised me mid fight, ram is 100% stable as i do from time to time memtest so ik there is no issues there.

[untold marsh]

It can also come from your hard drive temporary disconnecting if your OS is swapping memory pages to your system disk

[sudden anvil]

ah yikes. i wonder if low amount of space can also cause that.

[untold marsh]

I don't think so, typically should not result in a BSOD I guess but rather a program out of memory error but not the whole OS.
I'm not expert at windows, but I would recommend trying to disable swapping of ram into disk entierly and see if the problem goes away

[sudden anvil]

so just windows being retarded like always aight got it

[austere crane]

if your free space is low, i would definitely start there

[sudden anvil]

i have around 25gb free space on the ssd and it usually never caused me any problems.

only happenned when i played stalker which is unusual ig

[untold marsh]

Oh, windows does not allocate a fixed size partition for swap ?

[austere crane]

not by default, no

[austere crane]

i'm not saying it's definitely the culprit but it's where i would start, since it's easy to check

[sudden anvil]

im getting windbg to read the dump file rn to see what could be the actual reason

[untold marsh]

25Gb should be more than enough, but considering the game is leaking memory on some system configuration it can be your problem, slowly leaking.
As samus said check that, on linux I would try to disable swap too but not sure if it's possible or a good idea on windows

[sudden anvil]

hmm
ADDITIONAL_DEBUG_TEXT: Memory Manager detected corruption of a pagefile page while performing an in-page operation.
The data read from storage does not match the original data written.
This indicates the data was corrupted by the storage stack, or device hardware.

seems like it was some kind of paging issue

[blazing cape]

Checked your storage SMART by chance?

[untold marsh]

Yea that would defintly make any OS panic 😄 Paging is the word windows uses to refer swapping, putting memory pages on the disk for various reasons

[sudden anvil]

nothing there, it says its fine

[glass vault]

could be getting corrupted when getting into ram

[sudden anvil]

considering how unstable the game is im not suprised it can happen. anyway ig imma just play something else untill more updates get pumped out as some areas are just too unstable with performance and other stuff

[blazing cape]

Even if you memtest periodically, RAM may be an issue now than before. It also depends on the test, as different conditions / algorithms can induce different results. Might test one RAM test, but not another, and it may take several hours.

As for the SMART, especially for SSDs, check the raw read/write and bad sector values. The overall health% for an SSD is mainly just the TBW or amount of expected writes left per the maker's warranty.

[sudden anvil]

write speeds are half what they should be but makes sense considering its nearly full (92% full), read speeds are at their peak anyway no issues there. nothing showing up anywhere be it crystaldiskinfo/crystaldiskmark/cmd commands. nothing. not hardware related possibly just software taking a massive dump and messing something up

[steep hatch]

You wanna be careful filling nvme drives and sata drives that full because it can start wearing the out quickly. Especially if its an older generation version.

I know general writes can too but it seems like most say them being close to max space does damage as well. Probably not much in the grand scheme of things but something to consider

[vernal spire]

game fixed yet?

[serene meteor]

Hello! i5 13500hx, 16 gb rtx 4060 laptop, does anyone else have extreme fps drop during and afer talking to npcs ? specifically in town

[vernal spire]

it's because you're on a laptop man. game needs a TONNNN of fans to cool the 40 series graphics cards....laptops don't cool/vent heat that well. That's the root cause to why you're getting extreme fps drops.

[serene meteor]

It's just after i talk to an npc man, i can explore anything anywhere no problem around 70+ fps on 1440p with framegen

[vernal spire]

Can you upgrade your laptop's hardware? add more fans?

I've heard that running a box fan underneath a laptop might give you like +10 - 15 additional fps...

Which NPC is it?

[plucky quail]

Comes to game to game dont think you could get 15FPS with only a Fan underneath your Laptop in stalker

[serene meteor]

75 degrees, perfectly normal temperature, for example i had last time with Lens

[pseudo blade]

You can maybe get rid off thermal throttling

[vernal spire]

You need a box fan dude. I'm tellin you, works all the time.....

[flint spoke]

well this game is super cpu limited

[vernal spire]

I'd still recommend running the laptop ontop of a box fan....not too expensive and you'll get the performance boost you're seeking.

[flint spoke]

most laptops prob have old cpus. even a 5800x3d gets cpu bound in many villages

[plucky quail]

Wonder if GSC would take the time sometime to fix the Performance by Switching from nanite and Lumen to other solutions.

[serene meteor]

where can i send a link or paste an image?

[vernal spire]

that's why they need extra fans.

[vernal spire]

just tell me where the NPC is...have you tried killing them?

[flint spoke]

yeah his cpu should prob be able to get 60fps (might require mods tho) in towns but it might be cooking in his laptop so it might be limited

[serene meteor]

I'm thinking it might be a problem with the npcs, no i wouldn't kill Lens lmao

[unborn otter]

Anyone here test the last of us part 2 to see how good it runs on pc ?

[flint spoke]

base optimized tweaks gave me like +10-15 fps in towns

then d3d12 pso disk optimized cache improved my fps lows but it increased ram use by 4gb, and I hear it might have issues on amd cards. (so game uses 26gb of ram now)

[plucky quail]

There is no part 2 only 1

[unborn otter]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2531310/The_Last_of_Us_Part_II_Remastered/ ??

[plucky quail]

Thats in 4 Month

How are you gonna test it on PC?

[unborn otter]

3 months but they are still accepting beta testers

[plucky quail]

They only droped the announcement 1 Day ago dont think there is a Beta right now. Or least no one has tested it from the big Game YTer. You gonna need to wait 2 Month for that to happen.

Also why are all the Videos of the last so Grainy. Looks like someone colored a 1944 film

[unborn otter]

Its in a apocalypse ?

[plucky quail]

And? Does it need to look like i am standing besides the Elephants foot in Chernobyl?

[unborn otter]

Why does stalker 2 do the same thing ?

[plucky quail]

Yea and its bad.

[green nymph]

Are you supposed to install the stalker 2 patches in order or will the latest patch update all the earlier patches?

[sly lotus]

Do you mean released patches?

[green nymph]

Yes, my steam veriosn updated and now myu savegame does not work

[late ferry]

roaneyroan has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sly lotus]

Yeah, the update will just be all the previous patches basically. If your save is messed up the. Idk

[green nymph]

im trying to roll back..

[sonic sphinx]

can anyone help with getting controller support working when running the game under Linux

specifically getting the game to see my DualSense Edge

[smoky trout]

god this game runs TERRIBLE. I have a ryzen 5 7600 overclocked to 5ghz, 64gb of DDR5, and a rtx 4070 super and I can barely run this game in 1080p. Sure i get 50-60 fps outside when nothing is happening but as soon as I go into any town or into any underground structure and anything starts happening I get drops down to 10 fps. This game REALLY should have been listed as early access. Immersion breaking bugs every 5 minutes and ive had about 10 game breaking bugs so far only 3 hours into the game.

[high quarry]

Gotta balance your settings, use upscaling and framegen..

[smoky trout]

no shit. Ive spent hours messing with the settings, im playing on low settings just to be able to play this game at all

and yes i have upscaling and framegen turned on its the only way to be able to run this game at all

[high quarry]

Runs at a reasonable 130-160 then:

https://i.imgur.com/5oPqPVy.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/AOmp1kX.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/G1dDSSh.jpeg

[spare coral]

The game looks like crap with upscaling + framegen on 1080p tho

[high quarry]

Yeh, thats at 1440, with 77% (better than DLSS/FSR Quality)

Some places will dip towards 130 though:
https://i.imgur.com/AOmp1kX.jpeg

[smoky trout]

the fact I can run space marine 2 with all settings set to ultra and average 130fps SMOOTH AS BUTTER tells me its not my pc its this game

[sonic sphinx]

that is weird it seems to have weird performance scaling because i can run it on my PC at a ok frame rate considering that it is a UE5 Game using cutting edge tech

[spare coral]

My rx 6700 runs it better than my friend's 3080 lol

[smoky trout]

so i should or shouldnt be using DLSS, and what resolution scaling should i use at 1080p? frame gen on or off? ive tried both what exactly are you guys using?

[high quarry]

I am on a 7800XT, but I also have 9800x3D and 48GB fast RAM, so I dont really lose fps around NPCs.

[spare coral]

Im just doing native xess with framegen
To get 90+ frames

[sonic sphinx]

for the resolution of my monitor i found DLAA to give the best resolve in terms of image quality

[smoky trout]

my cpu is a brand new ryzen 5 overclocked to 5 ghz cpu should not be an issue for me

[high quarry]

My balance is 77% (67% of Quality upscaling is a little too low IMO).

[chilly plinth]

hey, fcking Foma dont wanna die

what i can do ?...

[sonic sphinx]

well considering it uses 60 to 80% CPU on my 7800X3D i think its kind of expected

[high quarry]

9800x3D sits around 35-45%

Actually sometimes closer to 50% around lots of NPCs, Rostok etc

[stark iron]

I get 120 fps frame gen, Dlaa 1440p, 4070 super on high, 32gb ddr4 3200, and a ryzen 7 5700x overclocked to 5ghz

[sonic sphinx]

well i am guessing you were not getting 40 to 60FPS tho so that would explain the lower usage

[stark iron]

Dips to 100 In city

[high quarry]

140fps+

doesnt dip much around settlements

[sonic sphinx]

all lowest settings I'm guessing

[high quarry]

i.e 48% CPU is Rostok bar:
https://i.imgur.com/mxDaf5d.jpeg
46% outside there in the trader area:
https://i.imgur.com/yBmaYe6.jpeg

[high quarry]

no, a wild mix of Ultra, Epic, High, Low, Very Low in a balanced profile.

[stark iron]

The difference between high and epic is small

[high quarry]

I think its a reasonable mix of settings:
https://i.imgur.com/6VDm46v.jpeg

[sonic sphinx]

oh right i maxed out the graphics settings and got 40 to 60FPS

[high quarry]

You can try it here:

https://gist.github.com/ColesyM/dcb020b56a248c6c8587c18a0d523457

[sonic sphinx]

and that was with a RTX 4090

[high quarry]

There are some compromises, but I think in general its a fair mix:

https://i.imgur.com/aGTqYV3.jpeg

i.e lightshafts are pretty noisy, and GI can sometimes take a second to catch up indoors, but i think it settles into a pretty decent lighting scenario for the fps:

https://i.imgur.com/gyHXbvs.jpeg

[green nymph]

You need to redownload, re isntall all patched one by one and then verifiy the game after eachupdate. If your dont, youll get corruption... thats what is causing the errors

[sonic sphinx]

would that work with my version of the game which doesn't seem to have a Engine.ini by default

[high quarry]

You can just add the Engine.ini, there isnt one by default

its just overrides the in game graphics settings

[wintry needle]

don't you get the latest version already if you re-download right now?

[green nymph]

I am not sure. I only didi this becuas emy game started bringing up errors. So when i revierifed my files, I found some corruption. So then i didi a patch and found corruption, so its best to re verify after all the patches to make sure its all fine and not corrupted.

[ebon epoch]

jesus christ dude I have a 3070 and a 5600x and my pc is pulling 60 at 1440p medium preset balanced dlss
If you haven't yet, try one of the performance mods. I use stk2, for some reason the chroma dll it includes did wonders for my performance, now I'm getting 45 on settlements and 60 out of them which is not amazing but it's alright

[high quarry]

The texture detail for rust etc on machinery is so nice: https://i.imgur.com/C2HRPNW.jpeg

[sonic sphinx]

by the way what performance should i be expecting

[high quarry]

depends on how much upscaling you use pretty much

All those screeenshots are at 77% (via in game console: r.screenpercentage 77)

[hard juniper]

it's poorly optimised, best we can do is use the few performance mods that work and wait for patches

it's also very cpu intensive anywhere with a lot of npcs, so ideally you want higher settings

[high quarry]

Yeh, seems like mid-range CPUs struggle

i5's, R5's and lower end i7's and R7's

or anything that is multi-years old.

[hard juniper]

so the majority of systems then lol

[high quarry]

The only thing I noticed with 9800x3D is that single core use skyrockets around lots of geometry detail.

[hard juniper]

i've decided to give it a few months, latest patch decided to give me constant crashes so i essentially can't play

[sonic sphinx]

i feel like poorly optimized and very demanding due to using cutting edge tech are not the same thing to be honest

[hard juniper]

yeah the game can look really good, not like we're running a 10 year old title, but optimisation is definitely lacking

[high quarry]

Anything with lots of vertical/round geometry pushes 1 core into the 90%+ range. While the CPU as a whole sits under 30%

https://i.imgur.com/aUH17mX.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/bN52XCi.jpeg

[wintry needle]

define 'struggle' 🤔
then again, I have a very different measure of 'playable' and 'enjoyable' than most folks here so don't mind me 🙂 not here to start a battle

[high quarry]

Some people are happy with 60fps, preference is preference.

[hard juniper]

i don't mind 60 if the game looks good enough to warrant it

but when i can barely get a stable 30 during firefights it feels a bit ridiculous

[high quarry]

I prefer 140+
I play fine at 120
At 100 I start disliking it
under 80 I get nauseous

[hard juniper]

i prefer 90 or above, 60 takes a few minutes to get used to

but there was an era when i'd be playing arma 3 at 20fps for hours at a time

[marble harbor]

Unfortunately in this day an age, depending on the game you play, you get used to the FPS you usually get.

I'm really used to get 144+ FPS in games, 120-100 is still okay for me, that's why I play with FG and DLSS on STALKER 2, they get me to those numbers, but I wish I didn't.

Cyberpunk for me it's okay without FG and I get good FPS, I hope we will achieve a similar thing for STALKER 2...

[sonic sphinx]

i don't mind it running at 40 to 60FPS when it is a stunning looking game but that performance wouldn't have been acceptable if it wasn't using cutting edge tech or if it was DOOM Eternal we were talking about because anything below 120FPS in that game feels really bad

[high quarry]

The main tradeoff I make for the 140+ is not running at native res, and upscaling from 77%

[hard juniper]

dlss to me looks better than native a lot of the time so i don't mind having it enabled on quality, and on a game like cyberpunk it lets me play with path tracing all the time, which is just great

[sonic sphinx]

by the way that .ini file didn't work it was still at max settings with the same FPS

[high quarry]

I dont feel like I am losing too much small detail at 77%, and the antialiasing with FSR is actually pretty good:

https://i.imgur.com/ko2MmCE.jpeg

[wintry needle]

I got a sh1tty HP laptop in 2005, had it for a few years - with a single-core Athlon 64 3200+, 1GB RAM and a Radeon x200 with 128MB VRAM...
played a lot of that age's games on it, including Half-Life 2, Far Cry, Doom 3 etc.
I'm well used to that sort of thing so I'm already happy if I don't get visible tearing when I yank the mouse view to the side 😄

[high quarry]

The main drawback with FSR usually is fizzy distant foliage, but thats a lot better at 77% instead of 67%

[hard juniper]

tasting ultra graphics at 120+ fps can change a person forever

[wintry needle]

not saying it's not nice 🙂 I just remember where I came from and I appreciate where I am now

[hard juniper]

i think all of us with high end specs can appreciate the fact that we no longer boot up a game and instantly turn down all the graphics settings

[wintry needle]

word 🤣

[hard juniper]

or most of us, anyway

[sonic sphinx]

and not every game is going to run like that unfortunately

[high quarry]

There is some JPEG compression here, but these are the kind of places you lose detail with FSR:

https://i.imgur.com/c4DO3VK.jpeg

[wintry needle]

I swear to the deities, if you just presented this pic to me and asked me what I think is wrong with it, I'd have said nothing at all 😮

I'm apparently the ideal target audience for upscaling tech 😄

[hard juniper]

it's more noticeable in motion

the flickers can get pretty obvious with fsr

[wintry needle]

lol it was such a great feeling when I bought the 6700xt, loaded up Shadow of the Tomb Raider and it auto detected everything to Ultra 🙂

[hard juniper]

honestly nothing better man ahaha boot it up and the game already knows you got the equipment for it

[sonic sphinx]

yea i max out the graphics settings in every game if i am playing on my PC which is getting more and more impossible to do due to the buggiest pile of garbage that is windows literally not played many games over the past year because i have been trying to figure out what to do but i just cant figure it out

i feel like i should get a LOT of money from Microsoft for wasting my entire year

[wintry needle]

do you play multiplayer much?

[sonic sphinx]

only when my friend is on

[high quarry]

This is maybe a better example of FSR and background details, we lose most of the edge definition in this dimly lit guy in the background: https://i.imgur.com/MF4l7k1.jpeg

but to me, its acceptable for 140+

[wintry needle]

ah OK... I don't - the only multi I play (or rather, used to play) is World of Tanks and I haven't touched even that in ages

[wintry needle]

that is fair enough - but I can headcanon even that 🙂 I wouldn't see much of him IRL either, he's far away and in the dark
can't see half of the leftmost mook's helmet either, it's in the shadow

[high quarry]

Yep, so its mostly just how things blend in the distance, and not upscaling so much that it swims and shimmers: https://i.imgur.com/fLD34ZB.jpeg

[sonic sphinx]

honestly tho there have been many times over the past year that i have questioned myself if it is even worth playing games anymore due to having so many issues with buggy ass windows

[untold marsh]

Just install Linux and run your games on Steam with proton 😄

[last canyon]

Sadly you can rarely get 120fps on ultra these days without dlss/frame gen. Well you can but not in a lot of the latest titles

[high quarry]

if I was sure I wouldnt get banned on Tarkov with how tempramental Battleye is, I would consider it 😄

[late ferry]

acehercules1196 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[wintry needle]

I didn't dare to suggest the exact same thing to him 😄

[sonic sphinx]

damn didnt know that was a rule

[untold marsh]

Is it that bad ? Even Helldivers2 AC wich is pretty much insane and trying to be invasive did not get me into troubles at all

[high quarry]

I am moving closer to running dual PC and running anything that is not a game on the stream PC, and have the gaming PC an ultra stripped down version of windows.

[sonic sphinx]

i would do if the Nvidia Drivers on Linux weren't utter trash

[untold marsh]

That is the way, I do exactly the same on my music studio PC because sadly, most audio production tools are either windows or macos

[high quarry]

I run a GoXLR already, so I would just audio out to it from game PC and be done with it.

[wintry needle]

but in all honesty:
I'm on linux since windows 7 official support ended, what was that? 2021?
finished cca 50-60 games since, old and new
the single game I could not get to run was the GOG version of Deus Ex Invisible War
literally everything else runs, mostly out of the box, sometimes with small tweaks that are easy to find online
even fukin World of Tanks runs perfectly on linux

[high quarry]

I have a spare B550 + 5900x here..

so if I can salvage a GPU or get an ARC something and PSU and capture card, it will be sorted.

actually, i can take the 3900x from my 12y old and give her the 5900x

[untold marsh]

I am considering moving to AMD cards for that reason yes. To be honest on Ubuntu if you stick to the stable drivers experience is OK but you will have to accept always being a few versions late on drivers. It's also getting way better, since AI servers all run on Linux, and Nividia certainly don't want to be late on that 😛

[wintry needle]

get a last gen AMD card, AMD's linux drivers are excellent

6xxx series

[sonic sphinx]

meanwhile i am having issues with controller support not working in S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 when running it under Linux on my Rog ally x

[last canyon]

I wonder if I could use my 3070 for gameplay capture or something now or if I should just ebay it

[high quarry]

7800XT/7900 GRE/7900XT 🙂

[wintry needle]

controller is one of those cases I don't have experience with, sorry 😦 I'm an old school, meat-and-potatoes kind of guy, KB+M fo' life

[high quarry]

keep an eye on prices once 8800XT is announced in 3 weeks

[wintry needle]

just like last gen...? 😢

[untold marsh]

Didn't try on stalker 2 but on Elden Ring and Armored Core 6 I had no issues with a cheap PS4 controller from the local supermarket.
Just don't try anything fancy in Linux before knowng it good, just grab Ubuntu install what you need.

[high quarry]

All the vanishing 6800XT's...

[last canyon]

Same, I even play CoD MnK to my great suffering

[wintry needle]

I sooo desperately wanted a 6800xt
saved up and waited for the 7xxx series to drop, so 6xxx prices would come down
well they didn't
people realised there was no perf increase worth mentioning
cry myself to sleep every time I think of it 😦

[untold marsh]

Don't cry that much, I bought 50Eth for a few euros back then and wasted them all in trying to learn smart contracts and have fun with the tech

[high quarry]

Its those little segments where you feel the AMD price squeeze for profit, and the lack of opening things up for the consumer..

[sonic sphinx]

well i was trying to run Bazzite on my PC and despite having a Nvidia version in the docs for bazzite it only mentions AMD RX 5000 or later support

[wintry needle]

brb tea time

[high quarry]

Its evident by how quickly B580 sold out, which still isnt cheap

[sonic sphinx]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 has a platinum rating on protonDB tho

[hard juniper]

i always keep at least one spare gpu for emergencies, not sure if you've got one but i'd keep the 3070 if not

[untold marsh]

Just run Ubuntu, and install Steam, it's pretty straightforward tbh and a very solid OS made for making linux easy.
Learning a new OS no matter wich one is already a challenge in itself, so don't get too complicated and if a game does not work at all, wich is very rare, you can install Windows on a second drive in 20mn and use it for the few games that wont run good on iit

[high quarry]

My GPUs go down to my 2 kids 😄

[hard juniper]

my 1060 came in handy about 7 years later, good thing i held onto it

[untold marsh]

I run Ubuntu with a GTX1070 and Ryzen 7 2700 and it's pretty flawless for my gaming PC it's plenty enough. I do crazy linux install and modification on my work PC.
But aside from a few stuff, I keep my gaming PC very standard and stable for games

[last canyon]

I don't think the 8600gts from nearly 20 years ago counts so maybe that would be a good idea. I've been boned a couple times before when something happened to my previous GPU and I was suddenly stuck either not gaming for a while or scrambling for a new GPU i hadn't planned on

[hard juniper]

yeah man, great for troubleshooting or if your gpu does decide to end its own life one day. When i was upgrading my cpu i managed to mess something up, and having a second gpu was helpful for figuring out what went wrong

turns out it was my motherboard

thankfully not the cpu or gpu lol, just a 100 buck replacement

[sonic sphinx]

i am guessing im going to run into the same controller support issue in S.T.A.L.K.E.R 2 tho aren't i?

[untold marsh]

Well, I plug in my PS4 controller launch the game and I tell you

[sonic sphinx]

well i use a DualSense Edge so hopefully it has the same result as a PS4 controller

[untold marsh]

From what I gather Sony added Linux support for it in 26/01/2023. Makes sense since PlayStation os is based on FreeBSD, wich shares a lot of stuff in common with linux

[sonic sphinx]

that is actually the DualSense Edge launch Date

like Jesus it was already nearly 2 years ago

[untold marsh]

Seems like it was compatible at launch

[high quarry]

What I havnt done for a while, is try Insane profile.

[sonic sphinx]

well Kubuntu 24.10 is currently downloading

[untold marsh]

Well my PS4 controller does not seem to work despite it detecting it in the menu by showing the icons for the controller so I guess it just don't work now and will get fixed later either by GSC or proton team

[untold marsh]

What is insane profile ? 😄

[high quarry]

Its 2 notches above Epic 🙂

[untold marsh]

Thanks I needed to cook some food i'll try that now on my old PC 😄

[sonic sphinx]

so that is a widespread issue then that was the exact same issue i have on the Rog ally x with my DualSense Edge

[high quarry]

im just gonna run this, and see if I can keep 60 fps

https://i.imgur.com/ANHf0h6.png

[untold marsh]

Seems like it yea, I play stalker2 keyboard and mouse personnally so never tested

[high quarry]

ill do the 77% upscale still, so it compares to what I was running

[sonic sphinx]

yea well i only have the use of my right hand so i cant do keyboard and mouse i would if i could tho

[high quarry]

initially about 80fps, but I need to get down to some buildings;

https://i.imgur.com/3T4IgcB.jpeg

[untold marsh]

Yea I understand, even if that was not the issue I respect players wanting to play on whatever device they want.

[high quarry]

https://i.imgur.com/s7x7kLG.jpeg

its more sunny now, but most of the difference is in foliage, and GI res:

(previous balanced profile)
https://i.imgur.com/s7x7kLG.jpeg

even lightshaft quality is higher than epic now, so they are pretty good:

https://i.imgur.com/D9aWiNO.jpeg

[untold marsh]

Looks really good

[high quarry]

This is at 77% res with framegen

[sonic sphinx]

yea well it is good that you are not one of those people who when they see someone saying they use controller on PC they end up saying go back to consoles you pleb and crap like that

[high quarry]

native res: https://i.imgur.com/cnA59XX.jpeg

[untold marsh]

I had a friend try and (succeeded) to beat Elden Ring by using keyboard and mouse by elitism. He did not have a great time, but I had a great laugh for a while

[last canyon]

Well roller in the meta in games like COD much as I hate the reason why it is. So even most PC players use roller. Playing stalker with a roller did seem a little wild but now knowing why it obviously makes sense. Man that sounds rough though

[sonic sphinx]

right so now i am going to install Kubuntu on my Games drive so i don't wipe windows just in case it goes badly

[high quarry]

very obvious light shaft: https://i.imgur.com/dIzNlBz.jpeg

[untold marsh]

Very very wise idea

[untold marsh]

Yea, heard it's because plugging a controller will automatically give you aim assists and on CoD it is very snappy once you have acquired the target.
But anyways, multiplayer FPS games are full of cheaters anyways, a lot use a controller and a fun device in between 😄

[high quarry]

Insane, native res 83fps, vs Balanced 77% 141fps side by side:

https://i.imgur.com/v99M5g8.jpeg

[last canyon]

Only for the controller but it's VERY sticky a good MnK player can beat an awful roller player and a fantastic one can often beat a fairly solid roller player. But any situation where the level of skill between the two players is proportionally similar and MnK gets wrecked

[high quarry]

Now I try Ultra profile native res in same spot and see if fps improves 🙂 (still higher than Epic)

[untold marsh]

I get that it's fair help on a controller since FPS is very inconvenient for them, but enabling (and even forcing) crossplay on something quite competitive as CoD is a bit wierd tbh. Sport competitions have something like that, mechanical sports too, there are very strict regulations about the line between fair innovation and unfair advantage

[high quarry]

Ultra @ 77% 97fps
https://i.imgur.com/2eNewTm.jpeg

I think I actually like it better, because there is more of a blend of Lumen and directional light for sharper shadows.

[last canyon]

That's one thing both MnK and roller players can both agree on. No matter which way it leans somebody is going to be unhappy and in practice usually both parties are lol

[high quarry]

and, the lightshafts are actually more subtle and less noisy: https://i.imgur.com/Gw26jxL.jpeg

[untold marsh]

Crossplay is awesome idea for PvE/Coop stuff. One way would be to have atleast ranked/casual games different, while ranked is no crossplay and casual is. But I heard CoD don't do that 😄

[high quarry]

and at native res with some reflections and distance trees thrown in:

https://i.imgur.com/zG4F4rB.jpeg

if I can get a 7900xtx, Id prob play like this:

https://i.imgur.com/17rXJx2.jpeg

65 fps native res
90 fps 77% res
100 fps 67% (i.e FSR Quality)

[last canyon]

Both have forced crossinput play yupp, honestly though if casual didn't have SBMM i think cross input wouldn't be that big of a deal. Because then you'd just need to get cracked enough on MnK to edge out the average roller player. That's doable if you care enough. But when your casual lobbies are full of top rank comp demons on rollers have you have a couple good games that's simply not something almost anyone could ever hope to overcome regardless of practice. Hence the frustration from MnK players

[sonic sphinx]

so it is now installed it doesn't seem to have drivers tho because my resolution and refresh rate is limited and there is no HDR toggle

[high quarry]

Side-By-Side, Ultra Profile
native 71fps vs 77% 97fps
Can you tell much difference?

https://i.imgur.com/4hkzJ5W.jpeg

[untold marsh]

open terminal and enter sudo apt install nvidia-driver

[sonic sphinx]

that did not work

it just says Error: Unable to locate package nvidia-driver

[high quarry]

sudo apt update first

[untold marsh]

If what ColesyM does not work also use sudo ubuntu-drivers --gpgpu list it will give you all the options for your gpu driver available to install

[sonic sphinx]

both do not work

[sonic sphinx]

that command is the only one that has done anything

[sonic sphinx]

well it took some time but i have the list

so now what

[untold marsh]

Nice yea, so what you want to do now is use the install command (sudo apt install ...) and replace the dots with one of the options.
However, try one time again sudo apt install nvidia-driver now that you have updated your list of whats available with the update command

[sonic sphinx]

well the nvidia-driver-560-open one seems to like installing

so now what

does it need a restart?

[untold marsh]

Probably, but check the Display settings to see if it's not there already

[sonic sphinx]

no it isnt there so yea seems like it needs a restart

well HDR is very broken

it is so washed out

and now i dont have a display out

because my garbage monitor didn't get a signal it liked so that Linux install is borked its HDR support was poor anyway

[vernal spire]

ya, he needs extra fans. hence the recommendation of the box fan.....he's cookin most likely.....he needs more fans

like the bigger the better. if you can get them INSIDE the laptop also, that would be best....

[untold marsh]

Ah sad mate :/

[sonic sphinx]

i am going to try a different Linux distro hopefully it has much better HDR support

[untold marsh]

Ubuntu vanilla with gnome. Most users, less problems

[sonic sphinx]

KDE is Required for HDR support tho

so i am going to try Fedora Kinoite 41 otherwise known as the Linux distro that Bazzite is based on

[untold marsh]

I am going to sleep, good luck with that hope you will suceed. Don't hesitate to search and ask, maybe you will find more valuable help on a discord dedicated for the distribution you are installing 🙂

[sonic sphinx]

good night then also it failed booting into the USB so i guess that is a no

[high quarry]

Zalissya Ultra lighting profile, but with balanced other settings, just about does 120:

https://i.imgur.com/cmjZR7q.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/WnD6x5g.jpeg

[sonic sphinx]

so i guess it isa time to try manjaro

[gentle arch]

Don't think this is a STALKER/UE5 specific thing - HDR always looks washed out for me, like just on Windows in general, I can never get it looking right. I believe it's a common complaint re: enabling HDR overall. Maybe it's a monitor thing - as in it only truly looks good on premium displays properly built for it, as opposed to generic monitor "manufacturers" (aka sticker companies lol) potentially tacking it on as an afterthought feature purely for marketing purposes. Maybe I'm just being cynical... 🤷‍♀️

Or maybe it's a Windows thing? I've not tried either of my screens on any other OS, but they're fairly budget models

...for 2K IPS monitors anyway

[sonic sphinx]

i wasnt talking about stalker specifically but my monitor actually has proper HDR with 1000 nits of peak brightness

[gentle arch]

OK in such case disregard my rant lol

[sonic sphinx]

so probably HDRnt then

[gentle arch]

I mean they also supposedly support GSync too but whenever I enable it there's a lot of smearing 😛

In their credit, they do a really good job of rendering grey - it's the greyest greys I've ever seen 😅

[flint spoke]

ima laugh if it turns out the tessalation is just at max 24/7 and killing cpus lol

[high quarry]

Well, it supposed to be. Nanite allows geometry edges down to a pixel in size 🙂

[gentle arch]

Tell the other cores to pull their finger out!

[late ferry]

sqepticism has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[flint spoke]

thats just dumb

dumb is an understatement but appparently all I'm allowed to say

like great certain objects look better if I get up close and stare at them lmao, not worth it

[sonic sphinx]

that is a weird one GSync doesn't work properly for me but only because it doesn't get rid of screen tearing like it is supposed to also for proper HDR it requires a OLED based display and at least 1000 nits of peak brightness

[high quarry]

An example of Nanite triangles rendered with their normals: https://i.imgur.com/2NlAl5Q.png

[flint spoke]

i guess nanite is way less expensive than normal tessalation tho so maybe its fine idk

but its quite clear cpu optimization is poor

[sonic sphinx]

stalker 2 uses cutting edge tech so it makes sense that it is very demanding

[flint spoke]

ai isnt cutting edge

yet npcs kill frame rate, thats bs

this game released easily a year early no shot they had time to fully optimize it

[sonic sphinx]

i was not on about that specifically i was on about in general

[flint spoke]

there's demanding and then there's 'you literally need top of the line cpu and even then you prob can't get more than 70fps in towns' thats a joke

[high quarry]

NPCs dont lower fps on top of the line CPU

[flint spoke]

yeah they do lol

[high quarry]

not on my 9800x3D OC

[flint spoke]

go get 140 fps without framegen in yaniv then

[high quarry]

its the same fps with NPCs there and without

[flint spoke]

go check with special k, you're cpu bound

even if its not npcs, you're cpu bound

[high quarry]

100% GPU limited, and yes, running Special K, and not CPU doesnt ever get past 50%

[flint spoke]

that doesn't mean you aren't cpu bound lol, thats not how it works

[sonic sphinx]

well apparently the original crysis was insanely demanding back when it came out so whats the difference

[flint spoke]

game can't utilize mopre than like 50% of the cpu

[high quarry]

Yeh, all NPCs do is increase the multicore usage by 10%, without lowering fps

[flint spoke]

yeah and it was notoriously made fun of for that

[spare coral]

Crysis remastered is just as all over the place with how demanding it is too lmao

[sonic sphinx]

it can use 60 to 80% of mine

[high quarry]

if you lower res around NPCs, fps will still go up, not CPU limited

[flint spoke]

only to a point

max fps in other locations is still way higher

[high quarry]

no, up until 300-500 fps

[flint spoke]

lol show me 300 fps in yaniv without framegen

[high quarry]

without NPCs CPU becomes limited around 420fps, with, sometimes aroun 310

framegen is irrelelvent, its just 1.8x the base frameframe

[flint spoke]

its not irrelevant, it adds latency lol

[high quarry]

yes, but not CPU load

[flint spoke]

ok, who cares, you're cpu limited in yaniv

[sonic sphinx]

yea but people weren't exactly being stupid like they are these days over a game being really demanding due to using cutting edge tech

[flint spoke]

they were right because thats all crysis is known for

[high quarry]

i.e all these guys on screen, fps doesnt drop, still 140:

https://i.imgur.com/GlXmrK3.jpeg

Rostok bar with NPCs all around the area, still 180fps with FSR scaling: https://i.imgur.com/FmeZBcG.jpeg

[flint spoke]

90 fps in one spot doesn't mean anything

[spare coral]

Colesy has all the imgur links ready

[flint spoke]

im sure there are specific corners in yaniv I can look to get 90 fps

thats meaningless

[high quarry]

outside the bar, NPCs wandaring around, on top of the nearby traders: https://i.imgur.com/ghoq8i7.jpeg

[flint spoke]

this game legit cannot get more than 60 fps reliably on a 5800x3d, thats shit optimization

[flat brook]

Brother what

[high quarry]

In the trader area, still 140+ https://i.imgur.com/yBmaYe6.jpeg

[flint spoke]

because its chugging on like 3 threads

[flint spoke]

you mean 70, why are you giving me framgen fps lol

[high quarry]

its the same everywhere, the drops is relative to the amount of geometry, not the number of NPCs

[high quarry]

because I play with framegen, < 80 makes me nauseous.

[flat brook]

If my main render thread isn’t pushing any harder because I’m already pushing 100% on my GPU, that’s not being CPU limited

[flint spoke]

yeah but most people can feel the latency difference

its not real 140 fps, you're playing at 70 that looks like 140 but feels like 70

[high quarry]

if I can lower resolution, and keep gaining fps, its not CPU limited..

[flint spoke]

yeah I don't buy it

[sonic sphinx]

personally i think it is great that games are constantly using the most cutting edge tech because otherwise games would just be so boring on a technical level and would probably all look the same and make you question why you bothered upgrading your PC

[flint spoke]

it doesn't matter if the gpu it 100% or not, it is still chugging on a handful of threads

[high quarry]

lower res, fps keeps climbing...

https://i.imgur.com/fb3lJqw.jpeg

[flint spoke]

in yaniv thats like 80fps

[high quarry]

even more..

https://i.imgur.com/rpkb38x.jpeg

[flat brook]

That is the only thing that matters…

You are only CPU limited if your GPU cannot attain 100% usage, because the main render thread is choking due to the CPU not being able to send enough instructions

[flint spoke]

specific spots don't mean anything

you're not cpu limited in that scene, whatever, there's tons of scenes that are if you bothered to look for them

but if you don't mind using framegen then I guess you wouldn't bother

[sonic sphinx]

ive seen 40 to 60FPS in stalker 2 in the little bit i have played

[flat brook]

Except I’m on 99% GPU usage everywhere, including Rostok, Yanov, Zalissya, Pripyat

[flint spoke]

apparently you just need to get a $500 cpu

[high quarry]

and if you nuke the settings, the fps keeps scaling, tops out around 530 fps

https://i.imgur.com/rsgkwIx.jpeg

[flint spoke]

that doesn't mean anything

[flint spoke]

middle of nowhere, go to yaniv

[flat brook]

That means regardless of where I am, I’m not CPU limited, on a 310$ chip…

[flint spoke]

go to yaniv, look at the building, then give me the fps, bet it maxes at like 80 fps

or 90, which is still pathetic on a top of the line cpu

[sonic sphinx]

yea i already have a 7800X3D 9800X3D doesnt look like it is much faster to even bother upgrading

[flint spoke]

that just means your gpu is too slow, thats it

[high quarry]

I am nowhere near Yaniv, but we will see later, it was fine around SIRCAA with the big fights, so it shouldnt be drastic

[flint spoke]

yeah you will see lol, its bad

[flat brook]

Right… Amazing consensus, truly amazing

[flint spoke]

i was totally fine with the unimpressive perf until I realized the north ran much worse, even rostok was like whatever

[high quarry]

but all the other settlements, fps does not drop around NPCs..

[flint spoke]

its not that complicated, my 2070 super was like 100% all over the place, it doesn't mean anything, the cpu was still chugging

im on a 4070 super now fyi

[flat brook]

Apparently it is complicated for you, if you’re at 100% GPU usage, and it doesn’t drop in NPC hubs, you’re not CPU limited.

4070Ti-S here, fyi.

[flint spoke]

most settlements run fine, yaniv is esp bad

[flat brook]

If GPU usage starts to drop, that’s when the CPU cannot keep up the necessary instructions to the main render thread. That is being CPU limited

[high quarry]

so far, all settlements have no effect on fps relative to CPU.

[flint spoke]

nah, if you're playing at only 60 fps its not going to drop in total fps

[flint spoke]

the fps lows are still considerably worse, and those are easily felt

[flint spoke]

optimizating a game for, apparently, the most expensive cpus you can feasibly get, is just bad game dev

[flat brook]

It will if you were actually CPU bound in those scenarios, CPU chokes, GPU usage drops, frames drop

[sonic sphinx]

i can tell from the testing i have done that it wasn't CPU limited

[high quarry]

I have seen 1% lows of 120fps from 160fps, so it will probably be closer to 100fps by what you are saying (50-60fps pre framegen)

[flint spoke]

then your gpu is so bad you can't tell, idk what to say

[sonic sphinx]

um no i have a RTX 4090

[flint spoke]

then you don't understand cpu limits idk

[flat brook]

Not being CPU limited does not equal having a bad GPU.

Jesus Christ you’re denser than a HBM die.

[high quarry]

everywhere else, if there is no geometry overload fps scales with resolution on and on.

[flint spoke]

or are on a top of the line cpu

[flint spoke]

cpu limted on a 5800x3d is stupid, end of

[high quarry]

When you get to 420 fps+ without NPCs, GPU usage starts to drop.

[flint spoke]

I'm sure the 80% of pc players with worse cpus than me are having a blast

[high quarry]

but you have to be at a horribly low res for that to happen.

[sonic sphinx]

no i do none of the threads were ever pinned at 100% not a single one

[flint spoke]

x to doubt

[high quarry]

i.e. something like this: https://i.imgur.com/04VfcPH.png

[flint spoke]

or engine itself is bottlenecked

[sonic sphinx]

id rather trust MSI Afterburners reading than you to be honest

[flint spoke]

ditto

afterburner would be less accurate than special k tho

[flat brook]

Fair point, RIva actually knows what it’s talking about

[high quarry]

One of the early tests around Zalissya with very aggressive upscaling: https://i.imgur.com/kFCOCHI.jpeg

[flint spoke]

lemme know when you get to yaniv i guess

[high quarry]

Yeh, be interesting to see how the 9800x3D handles it.

[flint spoke]

yea

prob way better than a 5800x3d lol, apparently

[high quarry]

but its interesting, because it seems to even do way better than 7800x3D, which is only 500mhz slower (and -IPC gain)

[flint spoke]

game might demand super fast ram too

[high quarry]

@flint spoke but look at the single core usage here when there is a ton of geometry, probably excessive Nanite overdraw:

https://i.imgur.com/aUH17mX.jpeg

Those little vertical pipes are geometry, with another set behind them, I bet its those

[sonic sphinx]

also the reason why i was GPU limited is because i was running the game at 5120X1440 at max settings with DLAA on that is why i only got 40 to 60FPS and not because i was CPU limited

[high quarry]

It's getting very close to 4K, not a suprise

[flat brook]

People underestimate the performance hit from going to 21:9/32:9 AR

[sonic sphinx]

5120X1440 is more demanding than 4K

[flint spoke]

yeah thats ridiculous resolution haha

[high quarry]

Just going 3440x1440 is +1/3rd more pixels than 16:9

[flint spoke]

ive considered dropping to 1080p and just upping everything to ultra