☢┃stalker-general

[tepid heath]

rostok has fast travel?

[vale shadow]

Sure

[marble gyro]

As long as there is a guide

[tepid heath]

can i make ar416 monolith 5.56?

[vale shadow]

It's 5.56, isnt it?

[tepid heath]

i meant 5.45 my bad

[vale shadow]

Why?

[sterile radish]

pretty sure you cant

[tepid heath]

5.56 ammo needs finding while 5.45 is everywhere

[marble gyro]

Just saying

[tepid heath]

and i cant upgrade kharod yet so im using ar416 monolith

[marble gyro]

We can see all that gets erased

[tepid heath]

yea i know from the logs

[vale shadow]

Ar416 is bad, you dont need it.

[tepid heath]

other is svdm-2 which i ha ve 3 ammo on it
so i should use unupgraded kharod?

[vale shadow]

AK-74

[mint thunder]

I just make sure my bullets go for the head

[tepid heath]

ion got it 💀

WAIT

i have riemman

[vale shadow]

Integral-A is better

[tepid heath]

whats that

better than riemman?

oh i need to get to cement factory

[vale shadow]

Tdi kriss actually. Riemann is modified integral-a, but it's worse, cause you cant take off silencer and upgrade muzzle

[tepid heath]

integral a or kriss

[vale shadow]

Integral-A is TDI Kriss Vector, but renamed

[tepid heath]

ah okay
thanks

shiiii 7.62x54 caliber doesnt exist in early game?

[vale shadow]

You dont need it in early game

[tepid heath]

i have a sniper

[vale shadow]

SVDm-2 is bad

[tepid heath]

what do i get then i want ranged weapon

[vale shadow]

SVU, M701

[astral otter]

Or you can do the real meta move and just pick whatever looks cool to you

[sterile radish]

👆
i use basically every weapon except the gauss, RPG-7 and MAC-10

[old aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/he-made-a-statement-statement-dog-clowned-trash-opinion-your-opinion-gif-15033044919438935088

[tepid heath]

i got mark 1 emr

[vale shadow]

K, its cool

[tepid heath]

good or

[mint thunder]

this game so cool

[gritty helm]

i cant wait to see the G3 rifle

[tepid heath]

whats G3

[gritty helm]

in the trailer

[tepid heath]

oh my bad

i want to know how to increase my energy and carry weight

[hardy totem]

Artifacts, suit upgrades

[tepid heath]

which artifacts are goated like the best

[charred nova]

🥀

[sleek hemlock]

I feel like mods aren't coming soon enough honestly I appreciate the devs pushing out updates but goes to show modders manage to push out updates somehow faster as a whole in every game on almost every platform respectfully I don't know how difficult it is developing or updating the game but hot fixes and balances are needed

[tepid heath]

@marble gyro

[sleek hemlock]

I want the Sin Faction as well

[vale shadow]

You lied to me, it's 2kg

[slow crypt]

Well, upgrading the engine is super complicated, especially considering that it seems like the Stalker devs are more Unreal Engine 5 users than actual developers.

[cyan sparrow]

Lmaoo UE users.

[sleek hemlock]

What do you mean users like people that just fidget with Us5 instead of develop or they are used to developing ue5 and are put in a uncomfortable spot with this particular engine?

[astral otter]

Huh?

[sleek hemlock]

Also original Unreal engines were better ue5 compromises performance from what I've seen im confused with why they are using such a unoptimized engine

[astral otter]

GSC made lots of changes to their build of 5.1 making the transition to 5.5 difficult.
If they just used it very vanilla then they probably would have been able to transition the game quicker.

[slow crypt]

They are locked within the Unreal Engine ecosystem

[astral otter]

Like everyone other than Epic's UE dev team

[slow crypt]

exactly

[astral otter]

Sorry I thought you were making a point specific about GSC.

[slow crypt]

na, using unreal means relying on its underlying architecture, making deep changes to the engine can be costly. It’s more efficient to adapt your design to the engine than to start from scratch.

That's why they're users, otherwise, they wouldn't update to the 5.5 version of Unreal

The cost-benefit ratio is taken into account at all times

[sleek hemlock]

Why can't devs just see we don't want fancy graphics we just want gameplay realism and good performance

[iron wind]

probably will have lots of bugs discovered when 2.0 hits

they can only discover and fix a small portion really

[slow crypt]

...because that's not true, a lot of us think that way, but plenty of others might buy a game just because it catches their eye

Besides, people are becoming more and more permissive

[iron wind]

diehard fans don't bring as many sales as the mainstream

[sleek hemlock]

Maybe I'm the small percentage unfortunately

[mint thunder]

ue3 was awesome

[sleek hemlock]

Same engine for Dishonored right?

[bitter plover]

thats absolutely correct and make absolutely sense. You, as developer has to put something in game based on whole team, not what you just had idea and do as you please. Then, you as developer, has to put it inside and test it on various different systems, so that most ppl can actually play it, not put it in as you please and wait, if its okay for everyone or not after release. All of this has to go trough diffenernt phases, and when you have also consoles, you have to have enough time room to put it trough certification process, bcs consoles wont greenlight you that before its done.

So, logicaly, company just cant put something in game faster than modders, bcs modders doest have to do things this way.

[mint thunder]

for a lot of games from the early 2010s to mid 2010s I think

[bitter plover]

Arkham Knight is also on UE 3

[mint thunder]

dishonored mention tho

[mint thunder]

and that game still looks amazing

[sleek hemlock]

Sorry if I came off as a jerk wasn't the intention in all honesty but I strongly feel like game companies shouldnt be so restrictive which is a fair take correct?

[sleek hemlock]

Absolutely the second game unfortunately could've done better with controls and performance I tried playing it but couldn't for those reasons

[mint thunder]

hot take first game had better atmosphere

[bitter plover]

Well, they should. You shouldnt put out product, that is not done, even just patch. Also, you as company had to thik about all of your fans, not just few who wants something specific in. And also, consoles. It is unfortunate, but it is as it is

[bitter plover]

It does, But to be fair, all of that is bcs of night setting. It makes it all much much easier

[sleek hemlock]

Absolutely felt more gritty since it was the first time playing it the outfits and styles were better and story felt more grounded the dlc were wonderful too

[mint thunder]

yh but I love how dark and Grey the first looked 2 just looks more vibrant with less gritty

[mint thunder]

bummed out they didn't do dlc for 2

[sleek hemlock]

I mean they kinda did separate game but still

[slow crypt]

prince of persia

and unreal 4 was not that bad, we have games like days gone

[mint thunder]

hope this engine update gives them more freedom to have better Alife

[mint thunder]

that was on ue4

[slow crypt]

yea

[mint thunder]

so was ff7 remake

[slow crypt]

dead island 2

[mint thunder]

but im really surprised days gone was on ue4 I thought they made their own engine tbh

[hushed wyvern]

Ue4

[slow crypt]

yea

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh dead island was killed off by dying light for me

[mint thunder]

hot take I like dead island 1 I found 2 disappointing

[hushed wyvern]

Coldest take ever

[mint thunder]

I really wanted dead island 2 to be what that early showcase was in 2014

open world cars looks way better than the shallow linear game we got

[sleek hemlock]

Lukewarm it felt underwhelming in all honesty but the gore system was impressive

[mint thunder]

if u say so I mean my friends were saying they like it more than 1

[hushed wyvern]

I got it for free bundled with a new GPU

Didnt finish it tho

[mint thunder]

gore was a selling point graphics were solid but it literally has less things to do compared to the first game lol

[slow crypt]

yea but the graphics and optimization were good

[hushed wyvern]

Graphics these days mean nothing tho, like even back in 2023 game can look great if its combat is mid

[mint thunder]

true but game itself meh

[slow crypt]

What I mean is, that wasn't the engine's problem anymore

[mint thunder]

even the atmosphere in the og was better like in 2 it feels so goofy and cartoony

[mint thunder]

different devs I miss it when techland was the main devs

at least they gave us dying light 1 love that game can't believe it came out in 2015

[hushed wyvern]

The combat is just so floaty

If you think dl2 combat is floaty its nothing compared to dead island 2

[slow crypt]

It's the same with GSC half of them are at 4Agames, or used to be at Vostok Games

[hushed wyvern]

Did you play dl the beast ? I feel like they fixed most of the issues with dl2 in the beast

Except for the map, why do we have so much forest in a parkour game?

[mint thunder]

yh they did I haven't played it but I found dl2 also disappointing because of that e3 trailer

[slow crypt]

the beast is nice

[mint thunder]

yh but at least they still put out a solid game in my book stalker 2 got me into the series and I just find myself more interested in stalker lore than metro

[hushed wyvern]

They are 100% working on dl3 I just hope they give us a city map haha

[hushed wyvern]

I like stalker lore more than metro the same way I like dl1 more than the other 2 games.

The story is contained. Its just 1 city, its just 1 Zone.

The apocalypse trope needs to die, its a lot more interesting to have contained horrors while the rest of the world lives in ignorance imo

[slow crypt]

Well... if you compare it to Dead Island 2, of course it's solid.

[mint thunder]

I mean metro lore is amazing but it isn't as deep as stalker

[hushed wyvern]

Metro books are a great read tho

[slow crypt]

If you ask me, Stalker 2 doesn't exactly have a great story, but that's just my personal opinion.

[hushed wyvern]

^ this tbh

[mint thunder]

I like it but I just find the pacing messy

[slow crypt]

The Metro series with Exodus has taken a direction I didn't like either, but I'm looking forward to 2039

[hushed wyvern]

Then again mby it will changw with the 2 DLC expansions ?

I want to see duty vs freedom at last bro

[hushed wyvern]

Do you think "the stranger" is Artyom ?

[slow crypt]

na it can be hunter

[mint thunder]

lol I loved exodus it's realism with the ingame map and attention to detail got my attention also the story I love

[hushed wyvern]

Ye im thinkin the same since they said exodus is the final chapter in Artyom's story

[slow crypt]

yea not artyom problem anymore

Hunter has potential with The Dark Ones and Metro 2034

[hushed wyvern]

I remember on the forest map I would literally put every kid to sleep to not ruin my karma for the good ending haha

[mint thunder]

yh the 2 dlc and engine update will make people love stalker 2 more trust

[hushed wyvern]

I am on a new playthrough because I just found out people made weapon mods lmao

[slow crypt]

Yes, but it can also be easily overshadowed by metro.

[hushed wyvern]

People who play metro also play stalker

[mint thunder]

true but hey at least stalker 2 will be much more enjoyable

[hushed wyvern]

Win win imo

[slow crypt]

it will be what it should have been

[hushed wyvern]

I hope the DLCs do a phantom liberty and give us different endings like Cp2077 did

[slow crypt]

cyberpunk has a better-developed backstory for that

[mint thunder]

what if it's like this dlc 1 better story dlc 2 better gameplay

[slow crypt]

Why should you have to pay for a DLC just to improve the gameplay?

[hushed wyvern]

Not really you kinda just wing it and choose to go with the endings from the dlc

Skif is kinda the same

[mint thunder]

I'm saying gameplay as in new mechanics or content in a new region etc

[slow crypt]

mechanics should never come at an extra cost

[hushed wyvern]

Both expansions are story expansions and they treat them as akin to the original stalker trilogy afaik

[slow crypt]

ups wrong ping

[hushed wyvern]

Np tbh its just 3 here idk why we use reply lol

[mint thunder]

lol true

conversation peak

[slow crypt]

I hope the DLC missions are actually good, I thought the Lab X18 mission was really bad.

[hushed wyvern]

I dont want to spoil stalker 2 but if the dlc is about duty vs freedom, 2 new endings make sense.

Like fr you can even use parts of the ward ending to show the zone is destroyed for duty lmao

[slow crypt]

That would be great, but I think that’s a lot of content for a DLC. If it actually comes out, people will ask why they put so much effort into that instead of finishing the game...

[hushed wyvern]

As for freedom ? Idk what their ending will be ? Nuking the walls that contain the Zone ?

But the dlc is supposed to be a massive story expansion akin to a new game since they treat them like the original trilogy.

[mint thunder]

do u think the dlc will have us choose to side with the duty or freedom faction

[hushed wyvern]

Yes this is basically confirmed

And I hope the faction system actually matters

[slow crypt]

All I'm asking is that they add light missions specific to each faction, it would make creating freeplay mods much easier.

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh I dont really care for freeplay but I want more missions specific to factions

[mint thunder]

I noticed the stalker server has like 10x more people than the metro server

[hushed wyvern]

Stalker is the OG and kinda kept itself relevant with Anomaly and Gamma

Metro games are great but mostly linear

[mint thunder]

true

that's prob gonna be the case with the new metro it'll be a solid game and great metro but after a while ur gonna see more people return to stalker or even new players because metro is linear and self contained

[sleek hemlock]

Tbf the new one hasn't said it'll be linear has it? And tbf what's stopping them from turning it into a genuine survival game

[hushed wyvern]

They have the same player demographic but do different things

It will be a huge hit anyway so long as they dont fk it up lol

[mint thunder]

I would love them to go open world but tbh it might be linear to please the og metro fans

[hushed wyvern]

Like dont forget Exodus was one of the biggest Epic Games hits because of how good it was when other games were DOA due to epic

[mint thunder]

which idm but really just depends on the person if they'll keep coming back to it

as yk with linear games once u finish them u might do 1 or 2 more playthroughs then hop onto a new game but we will see if new metro is going into a bigger scope

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh it doesnt really need to be any different imo

Just a solid experience with a great story

RE9 was peak and its a 10 hour game at best lmao. Didnt it sell the most copies out of any RE game so far ?

[slow crypt]

It takes more than 10 hours.

[mint thunder]

which I expect

[mint thunder]

pretty sure 5 and 6 still are the most sold lol

[hushed wyvern]

No it doesnt lmao

[hushed wyvern]

Yeah its the fastest selling, re5 still has the most copies

[slow crypt]

on my first playthrough, trying to finish it and especially trying to get some specific items, it took me 12 hours. not to mention the replayable content you'll easily hit 30 hours

Anyway, I don't pay for games based on hours played, I pay based on experience, which is what you're saying

[hushed wyvern]

I did it in around 8

[hushed wyvern]

Ye

Which is why I am saying game being linear isnt a problem, imo open world doesnt mean better and for a SP game who cares if the players return to it ? Its a SP game lmao

[slow crypt]

But that’s exactly why Stalker 2 got such a bad reception people approached the game as a finished product, and when they encountered an unfinished beta, their experience was affected. And the first time you play is really importan

[hushed wyvern]

Yeah fair which is why I talked about metro 2039 just needing to be a solid experience

Tbh I think the better example is cyberpunk for awful first experience at launch

[astral otter]

Well it doesn't look particularly ground breaking from the trailer, so I'd say it's a safer bet than many other games.

[hushed wyvern]

That is great for me. I dont really want Metro to be Stalker tbh.

It doesnt need to be ground breaking to be a good game

[sleek hemlock]

I feel like metro needs more survival aspects

Hunger system, injury and bleed system make it difficult metro was never meant for softies

[coarse falcon]

Optional stuff like that could be fun.

[dusky pawn]

Metro was always a casual horrorish shooter

Even more casual than og stalker

Stop turning anything with guns into gamma

Besides why would this one have more survival elements when its returning to the metro and shifting the narrative from survival to society/politics

It made sense exodus was more focused on crafting cause the game was about people surviving in the wilderness on a train but moscow is a huge civilisation (even if nazified) and stuff like vendors actually has a place in 2039

It just needs cool unique guns and secondary gadgets there is enough resource management to make it interesting

[foggy olive]

I think I finished the game in about 10-9 hours (the timer at the end of the game showed this) although I spent 18 hours in the game itself

[ancient fractal]

Stalker game based in the Ganges when?

[kindred fable]

metro was never meant for softies
What does that even mean? Metro series was always pretty casual... It would be weird if it became a survival simulator all of a sudden

[sleek hemlock]

You've played the original 2 on the hardest difficulty with no hud I'm assuming?

[dusky pawn]

They are piss easy lol

Bro enemies in the og metro games are BLIND and I even played 2033 before redux

[hushed wyvern]

^this

[kindred fable]

If you mean Ranger Hardcore then yea. Just because there's no hud it doesn't mean that the game becomes different or something...

[dusky pawn]

You can finish the frontline level in redux on hardest difficulty by just sneaking and running straight at people and spamming q

The only mildly diffult thing about og 2033 was D6 because in the originals amoebas had insane damage and were hard to spot

But that was a graphics issue more than difficulty (fixed in redux)

And in LL ? Lol even the bear was ez and so was pavel

[kindred fable]

D6 was difficult for me because for some reason them blob enemies were producing some lighting effects that were killing my fps, lol

[hushed wyvern]

tbh metro was never meant to be some hardcore experience

[bitter plover]

this

[dusky pawn]

Also pre redux 2033 was super dark and that made added some difficulty but like
Its just dark you get used to it

[dusky pawn]

Lmao

[sleek hemlock]

I guess for me it was difficult because those were my first ever genre of games I delved into for the first time I guess what I meant to say is that I feel like the game shouldn't be casual whatsoever you're literally living life in squalor and struggle meds should be hard to come by so is ammo and guns unless you loot them off people

[dusky pawn]

Also man og library vs redux library is not the same

[smoky hawk]

yhea it wasnt hard

[bitter plover]

they said on their website, that its new character, SO no

[smoky hawk]

Ranger Hardcore is really harped on about but the hardest part of it is that LL was NOT designed with it in mind

[dusky pawn]

Meh its not really the focus of the books or games tho admittedly the games lean more into survival
However seeing as this one involves glukhovsky and has a tonal shift i dont see any need for this

[smoky hawk]

doing the race car shit and the D6 assault in it was annoying but aside from that, more than accomodating

it's a corridor shooter humble yourself

[hushed wyvern]

Where does it say that ?

[dusky pawn]

I dont even remember the D6 assault 😂

[bitter plover]

in FAQ i think

[smoky hawk]

in the FAQ

its a new character

[hushed wyvern]

nice

[dusky pawn]

He is also voiced

[hushed wyvern]

pfffff

voiced.. :((

[dusky pawn]

I dont know how you can immerse yourself into a game where the character is a silent terminator but well it doesnt matter thats how it will be

Tho tbf game artyom was uninteresting to listen in the level loading screens

[kindred fable]

Yea, that's understandable if it was one of your first games in the genre... But yeah, it's a pretty casual series, as you've noticed by the reaction of the people in here, lol. Other than that, the narrative of the games is very rarely tied to the difficulty of the games. Many games are about big struggle of the people while being very casual. For example, Death Stranding 2 is literally a postapoc game that has a difficulty mode that lets you skip bossfights with a prompt saying "Imagine you've won the fight"

[hushed wyvern]

idk why you need the character to speak to be immersed but hey to each their own

im glad artyom isnt the protagonist he had a full story

[dusky pawn]

Because to me having 0 reaction to tarantino levels of carnage is immersion breaking

I really liked Fc3 jason (or whatever his name was) for this reason

[hushed wyvern]

idk I guess..

[smoky hawk]

people will shit themselves brown all day with a discussion about wether the player is the character or if the character is separate from the player
dont do this

its not worth it bro

[kindred fable]

Do you mean actually silent (As in: doesn't talk at all, like Gordon Freeman) or without a voice (as in: fallout new vegas, where you can talk but you have no voice that you can hear)?

[smoky hawk]

its only a matter of time before someone brings Ludonarrative Dissonance and it goes sideways

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh its subjective so who cares

I am fine with it as long as the voice acting is great like in CP2077

[dusky pawn]

Nah its not about that really

[dusky pawn]

I mean actually silenced
Its better if there is some monologue in loading screens but artyom in particular just acted like a soldier and had a super flat delivery
I specifically like comparing book artyom's reaction to nuking the dark ones in 2033 vs game reaction
In game he's like 'hmm sad but had to be done :D'

And in the book he has a proper reaction of grief

[smoky hawk]

yhea, bc theyre monsters

[dusky pawn]

They arent lol

[smoky hawk]

mind fucking monsters

yhea

Last Light is Dark Ones propaganda, they dont actually feel emotions except the one for rage

[dusky pawn]

In both the game and books it is revealed that they are harmless however they are trying to contact humanity and that contact is whats hurting people
Artyom.is immune because he was contacted as a child

[smoky hawk]

this is propaganda by those that want to bring the metro down, lilly lovers the lot of them

[dusky pawn]

Them trying to talk is making people crazy it is not an attack but they arent aware of that and dont understand wtf is happening

[dusky pawn]

I know u are sarcastic but some people actually believe this

[smoky hawk]

in fact, Last Light is like a descent into madness as artyom is mind altered by the awful disgusting monsters, that's why hes feeling remorse yknow

[dusky pawn]

Because of negative reading comprehension

[smoky hawk]

LL's close cousin, is actually, Spec Ops The Line

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

[dusky pawn]

But anyway its a very simple allegory really the dark ones represent the inherent xenophobia in the russian society
Artyom represents someone who doesnt naturally harbor that because of his experiences

[kindred fable]

That's nuts

[dusky pawn]

(No shit he's joking)

[smoky hawk]

both games are about a protagonist that goes fucking crazy

[dusky pawn]

Anyway its also a self fueling situation
Dark ones reach out
People go crazy die or attack them
Dark ones are confused and want to explain they are peaceful
People attack even harder
Etc

[smoky hawk]

if its tryue that glukhovsky was trying to do that, then hes really really dumb

lmao

[dusky pawn]

Its why artyom is being harassed by them so hard later on cause they are desperately trying to reach him but he is too scared and in the books he nukes them while realising what was happening and grieving
In the game they split this for.some reason and he either somehow remains oblivious and becomes Hunter 2.0 or he just spares them

[dusky pawn]

Bro the allegories are crazily in your face in.the books hunter literally kills an actual black person out of fear of the dark ones

[hushed wyvern]

Some S tier ragebait here on the field folks

[dusky pawn]

He purposefully made them so because he knew leaving too much up to interpretation results in people missing the point

[smoky hawk]

glukhovsky, we want you to talk about injustice of man, how do you want to do it?
hmmm I will make a race of mutants that mind fuck everyone around them and have been shown to destroy humans psyche... yes...

[dusky pawn]

Yeah ik

[smoky hawk]

???

what did hje mean by this

[dusky pawn]

If you were sin id believe you were for real

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh you aint that wrong there

Earth belongs to mankind

I say we nuke em again. OORAH !

STAY DOWN

[smoky hawk]

eugh you dont get it they dont mean to mind break everyone and turn them into invalids, theyre so misunderstood

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh dark ones are the weakest link in Metro

[kindred fable]

If they can speak our languages then why can't they learn to write or something... Like, get out of my head, dude

[smoky hawk]

I am being serious rn, as an allegory it falls flat bc it makes too much sense why humans want to kill the dark ones, they are a threat to normal people
artyom is not an argument for coexistance

[hushed wyvern]

Genuinely dont care about them when the world is so interesting.. like there are actual ghosts and anomalies going on

[dusky pawn]

Nah you arent

[hushed wyvern]

^^^^

[dusky pawn]

There is an interesting theory I need to investigate about this

I read 2035 a while ago so I cant confirm this but ive seen someone claim the mutants and anomalies arent real

[hushed wyvern]

I swear if its a "it was all a dream" cliche..

[dusky pawn]

And their reasoning was that there isnt anything like that in 2035 and that 2033 and 2034 are seemingly written by homer

And homer is known to be a bit umm dramatic

The theory is that homer is an unreliable narrator that wrote in the paranormal stuff for drama

[smoky hawk]

if you need to post op retcon the dark ones to try and make that they arent actually that bad
you fucked up in your allegory, you fucked up

[dusky pawn]

And 2035 is the only book were the events arent dramaticised

[dusky pawn]

Its not a retcon and this is not an official interpretation

Its a theory I saw on some fb post lmao

[smoky hawk]

to me, it sounds like Glukhovsky got writers shame and decided to try and downplay the books he had already written to try and make a darker, deeper one now

ho so what you said isnt what glukhovsky actually did

[hushed wyvern]

A theory I heard was a biological weapon made the mutants not radiation

[smoky hawk]

the writer made the mutants bc otherwise, it wouldnt be nearly as cool

[hushed wyvern]

I mean yeah ofc

[dusky pawn]

I need to reread 2035 to confirm if it really is devoid of paranormal stuff

[dusky pawn]

Also for people who have not read the book like you i assume
It is later revealed in 2033 that the artyom and some guys actually caused the dark ones to go into the tunnels
Tldr they went to the end of the line to the botanical garden where they just chill and by artyom unlocked the passage AND was discovered by the dark ones they also tried communicating with him and saw limited success
Ever since theyve tried venturing into the metro to contact him again (my memory is hazy as to the exact reason but afaik it was either curiosity or compassion towards humanity)
However artyom was scared to tell anyone any of this and regular people just go crazy from contact attempts the whole solution to this was just artyom facing his fear and kindly informing both sides of the nature of the other and that would be it
But the plot happened and uhh nuke

[smoky hawk]

if it is, it devolved Metro

[dusky pawn]

This isnt a theory this is just canon

[dusky pawn]

The fb guy might have been lying or misremembering

Also the only proof to homer being unreliable is him whitewashing hunter slightly I think ?

Also idk if 2033 is actually homer's retelling

[hushed wyvern]

Ye but doesnt most of that come from universe of metro books who arent translated or even written by glukhovsky ?

[dusky pawn]

No there is just a giant blob bio weapon chilling in D6 that maliciously hypnotises you to kill yourself

If you happen to look in its direction

[smoky hawk]

artyom is one guy, if the Dark Ones are poisonous to the normal population then is it REALLY so unfair that the population wants to kill them?
Artyom is also not a good argument as to why coexistance is possible, to begin with hes only able to talk to them because he went to the surface without anybody knowing and found them, lets imagine you are a tunnel dweller in the metro, and somebody tells you the giant mind breaking mutants are actually peacefull, and that you need to let your child be mind broken by this mutant to ensure future cooperation
no, i wont let my child close to him, get away

[dusky pawn]

Actually maybe its not D6 its under the kremlin (obvious allegory)

[dusky pawn]

1. They dont 'break childrens minds' they just dont go crazy from communication likely because they lack the adult bias of fear and xenophobia
2. Artyom could just be a sole herald for both sides
3. There is no talk of any cooperation they just really wanted to contact artyom and were unaware of why humans were so hostile

I do need to reread tho

(Also its not their presence that hurts humans its them trying to talk if they knew not to.do that there wouldnt be any threat to humans)

[smoky hawk]

they dont break childs minds, they break adults minds, and I dont think if you brainwashed a normal person to actually really like the dark ones, it would have a different effect

its just

its so dumb as an allegory

[hushed wyvern]

I mean tbh the dark ones would be scary af if you were in the tunnels trying to survive

It would have worked better if they didnt cause humans any harm

[smoky hawk]

even if you say the Dark Ones are like, misunderstood, ho they arent here to hurt ho etc etc
their effects on the people of the metro are devastating and they are basically ultra fucked up mutants that pose the highest dangerous threat, so yhea there is a very good reason why they humans wanna kill them

[hushed wyvern]

But the author clearly winged it

[dusky pawn]

They were not bloodthirsty beasts as most of the inhabitants of the Metro believed, but sentient beings wanting nothing more but peace with humanity. Metro citizens didn't understand their desire to live in a symbiotic society, thus "striking back" before any attempt to create peace was ever made. As the Dark Ones would approach VDNKh in long strides, trying to simply walk into the station, the station guard would fire upon them out of fear, desperation, and a sudden onset of madness. It is revealed in The Gospel According to Artyom, and suggested by the opening scene in Metro: Last Light, that the Dark Ones never intended for the death of humans, yet their very presence and psychic influence drove the humans mad, and they subsequently killed each other.

[dusky pawn]

Their effect could be stopped by artyom simply telling them not to go.near humans

[hushed wyvern]

There would be no war with humanity if they simply fkd off lmao

[dusky pawn]

The only hole in glukhovskys writing is the dark ones being so desperate to meet artyom

[smoky hawk]

the dark ones are like super ultra hyper mega advanced beings and yet they couldnt understand that, by standing near humans, they made them go mad and die of dementia?
and that if they kept doing this they might be hunted by the humans??

they sound not at all intelligent

[dusky pawn]

Yes exactly however just as humans dont understand they arent a real threat they dont understand their influence on people

They also save artyom from death btw

[hushed wyvern]

They are really stupid then lmao

[dusky pawn]

You realise that while dying the humans often opened fire.at them and killed them right ?

[smoky hawk]

NO SHIT THEY WERE LITERALLY GOING MAD FROM EXPOSURE

[dusky pawn]

How are they supposed to tell that from fear tho esp if they arent humans themselves

[hushed wyvern]

Hmm some tall ugly looking MF that clearly isnt human is trying to get into my home

What should I do ? Oops im going insane now

[smoky hawk]

you talk about this as though their presence in the real world wouldnt absolutely terrify you
I put myself in the boots of a normal guy in the metro and yhea, they need to go

[hushed wyvern]

Definetly humans bad moment..

[smoky hawk]

I will be going next to the homeless man in the bus stop and he will start convulsing violently and screaming, at the end of this he tries to strangle me and dies before he can, this keeps happening when I am close to the homeless, would I or would I not start getting the pattern after 3-4 people it happens to????

[dusky pawn]

Bruh it would and thats the whole tragedy of 2033
Artyom only realises they arent hostile after missile launch

[smoky hawk]

how many homeless people would I need to drive insane for me to finally get that maybe I shouldnt do it, and that maybe, the homeless will try to kill me if I keep making them go mad

[ruby gale]

Cannibalize the homeless

[hushed wyvern]

The thing is while I get what you are saying and you are probably right, as I said the dark ones are the weakest plot in the entire series because there are just so many things that are more interesting and deserve the focus imo

2035 should have had more paranormal stuff imo

[dusky pawn]

This isnt our species tho lmao if you didnt know how osmosis works you couldnt possibly understand why your touch kills a snail (sweat)

Or if it even is your touch or presence or whatever

[smoky hawk]

so they actually aren't advanced or sentient enough to make connections and deductions in their minds making them more akin to animals

hmmmm

[dusky pawn]

+again the dark ones arent immune to bullets

[smoky hawk]

Kirylow, this sounds like a SHIT allegory to discrimination

[dusky pawn]

They are sentient but they have existed for about 20 years max do.you expect them to complete 100000 years of scientifical progress in that timeframe ?

[smoky hawk]

I dont need 20 years of existance nor the knowledge of scientifical progress to connect the dots that maybe I shouldnt do smth and that my actions may have consequences

[dusky pawn]

It isnt discrimination tho it is only an allegory for fearing others aka xenophobia

[smoky hawk]

you speak as tho the caveman didnt do this already

[hushed wyvern]

Mutants/aliens/monsters will always be a shit allegory for discrimination imo

[smoky hawk]

I would argue, the fear against the Dark Ones is completely absolutely justified, it sucks as an allegory because it makes too much sense why they gotta go

[dusky pawn]

Brother ancient greeks thought removing random fluids from your body cured you 😂

[hushed wyvern]

Because they always make them stupid dangerous or whatever in some way

[hushed wyvern]

They arent cavemen bro they understand the language to communicate with Artyom

[smoky hawk]

yhea and? the Greeks also used mathematics to deduce that the earth was a sphere but they didnt need that to know that if they keep killing people they will want you dead

[dusky pawn]

Danger to regulars is one thing but artyom himself cannot be harmed and it takes him ages to stop being deathly afraid

[smoky hawk]

the point here is, if they arent dumb idiots, then they should have the base intelligence to know that waht tehy are doing is wrong, and that they probbably, shouldnt do it
unless they are mindless and only driven by curiosity, which would break the entire allegory

its really poorly done here is the point

its contrived bc otherwise, the plot would never happen

[hushed wyvern]

Can you just admit that outside of being artyom and knowing his story, it would make sense for random humans to want the dark ones dead ?

[dusky pawn]

We 'deduced' that drinking.water with shit in it is dangerous about 200 years ago and we exist for millenia

You are giving way too much credit to our intelligence

[smoky hawk]

humans instinctively selected clean sources from the start of existance, this isnt the firing gun you think it is

and it still doesnt actually disprove what Im saying

[dusky pawn]

Im not saying otherwise it absolutely.makes sense and thats why the plot makes sense
However it is tragic that the whole situation could be.solved with one talk or A WALL

[dusky pawn]

We did not lol in some countries in.fact people still dont to this day

If what you are saying was true dracunculus medinensis would be extinct by now

[hushed wyvern]

It jumped to dogs

[dusky pawn]

(Super long nematode that lives under people's skins)

[hushed wyvern]

But its nearly extinct

[smoky hawk]

I guess humans are actually, so fucking stupid, we cannot make the connection that if we keep killing people, they make kill us back, is that what you are trying to say?

[hushed wyvern]

It jumped from what millions per year to hundreds ?

[smoky hawk]

this is so dumb

actually, I now do believe Glukhovsky tried to post op rationalise everything in 2035 and then went on to make 2039

[hushed wyvern]

Tbh its all for fun, idk why we have to make it be realistic to enjoy the story

[dusky pawn]

Again
It took us our entire existence to not drink poop water or poop milk and some people STILL DO IT even if given the.choice not to

[smoky hawk]

right now, it sounds like he made a water tight plot about the dark ones being mutants and then he later thought it was too simple and was embarassed of it, so then he wrote a book trying to rewrite that

[dusky pawn]

That too the tragedy of the situation is far more important than theorising about how smart a made up species has to be

[smoky hawk]

ok, that does not at all make the dark ones sound reasonable at all LOL

[hushed wyvern]

Imo there is little tragedy, dark ones arent human

Kill em all

[smoky hawk]

I remember reading somewhere that Glukhovsky wrote 2033 in collaboration with the internet as a early attempt to self publish directly onto the web

[dusky pawn]

But they are obviously sentient and immune to radiation
Which could also be helpful to humans but well thats theorising

[dusky pawn]

Yes it was posted for free

Idk if he collabed with anyone at the start tho

[hushed wyvern]

Sure they COULD be but thats the thing.

Every time someone makes a allegory for discrimination for aliens/mutants/monsters etc. They are always OP,dangerous or whatever that the whole thing falls flat

[smoky hawk]

yhea so I assume that Glukhovskys original plan was to have NO bait and switch, but some shitter online convinced him this wasnt good enuff and was too simple

[hushed wyvern]

Its not realistic that the dark ones couldnt tell they are hurting and killing humans

[dusky pawn]

Why are u obsessed with the rewrite part the thing I told u was some random's theory that i cant even confirm

[hushed wyvern]

And it doesnt have to be, its just a SF story who cares

[smoky hawk]

bc it makes too much sense considering how shoddily the motivation of the dark ones in fucking with the metro is

[dusky pawn]

Uhh yeah no that theme was always central to the book

[hushed wyvern]

This I agree with. Dark ones dont really need humans

[smoky hawk]

wow, hes just REALLY dumb I guess

[hushed wyvern]

The whole interaction with them and Artyom is just forced imo

[dusky pawn]

I agree with that too I never understood why artyom was so important to them

[hushed wyvern]

I really hope the supernatural stuff wasnt because of them

[dusky pawn]

Thats why I said I have to reread

[dusky pawn]

Nah there are mutants in 2034 so its either just all true OR the homer theory is true

I will reread after my semester ends and tell you

[smoky hawk]

I only have the 2033 book, and I left it on the 50th page because I had some priority matters to do, so I would actually like a follow up to it
right now it seems Glukhovsky is REALLY good at writting settings and not so much at writting personal stories

[hushed wyvern]

No no I mean the ghosts and whatnot

[dusky pawn]

Ambigouous

The khan segment is about irrational fear and beliefs

There is 0 proof that the people that vanished were killed by something supernatural

But there is also no proof against khans words

[hushed wyvern]

I hope they were lmao supernatural stuff is cool

[dusky pawn]

2033 is super metaphysical

[smoky hawk]

the ghosts are just remanants they dont have to be killed by supernatural things
at least tahts my read on that

[dusky pawn]

My fav aspect is how khan frames metro as some eternal torture device for humanity

[dusky pawn]

In the books there are no real ghosts only some absolutely crazy vision artyom has on one station thats mostly philosophical however there is a super cool horror segment with khan

[hushed wyvern]

Imo its just a fun read so long as you dont take it too seriously

[hushed wyvern]

It kinda is

[smoky hawk]

the games are better than the books then

hmm, interesting

[dusky pawn]

Tldr
Artyom is going through some tunnels with people including khan
Khan shows him a book that seemingly shows supernatural stuff
Suddenly artyom sees a huge shadow move on the map right behind their irl position
They panic start running artyom loses sight of others and later the map goes back to normal but the people in the 'affected' tunnel are gone

[dusky pawn]

Nah way worse games just have boring ass shadows

[dusky pawn]

Artyom never actually sees anything irl btw

[dusky pawn]

Its a fun read+a good critique of the russian society and regime (in good faith too)+some cool philosphy

[hushed wyvern]

Yeah it was alright

[charred nova]

https://fixupx.com/Tyras_Mikhail/status/2045093499658269004?s=20

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FixupX · Apr 17, 2026, 10:54 AM

[dusky pawn]

I like 2035 the most anyway cause its such a good description of struggle

[hushed wyvern]

Anyway you lads hyped for the Cost of Hope dlc ???

Finally the real factions do something..

[smoky hawk]

Jack were talking about 2033 and the Dark Ones

[charred nova]

I know

[smoky hawk]

I distinctly remember in LL when you gotta walk thru the sewer pipe of pain and anguish

[dusky pawn]

Its a cheap imitation of the book khan but its way better than 2033 ghosts

[smoky hawk]

LL Ghosts are cool, I like the games representation of mysticism way way more than just "hallucinations"

[dusky pawn]

Its never explicitly stated to be hallucinations

[smoky hawk]

and in LL the visions and mysticism isnt just like, Dark One baby induced, Khan and Artyom literally go to the Metro Oasis and get teleported into a train

[dusky pawn]

Thats the thing the weird shit artyom sees in 2033 could be real

But its not just straight up shadowy figures as if its d&d

[dusky pawn]

I mean the people who were with artyom in the book ACTUALLY DISAPEAR with no trace

[smoky hawk]

I like the LL representation more, where its pseudo scientific explanations are dropped and its just reality being clashed with straight up mysticism

[dusky pawn]

There is no pseudo scientific explanation

[smoky hawk]

in 2033 games

[dusky pawn]

2033 visions or weird events JUST HAPPEN
It goes like this
Something crazy happens
It has real consequences
No explanation given you the reader choose if you believe it or not (ok fair I agree with 2033)

The anomalies are mega stupid too the glowing ball of lightning esp

[dusky pawn]

Anyway this is more in line with the books is what im trynna say

[mint thunder]

[iron wind]

waiting for the DLC pre-order be like

[main jewel]

i already preordered it

(ult edition)

[iron wind]

ult editions is a scam

[coarse falcon]

why?

[main jewel]

the ultimate false

ult edition is tuff

so much bonus things with basically all dlc pre ordered

[iron wind]

kek its only useless skins so far

[coarse falcon]

And dlc, but i wanted just to pay more to support gsc, so it was good option for me.

[main jewel]

well, i get all dlcs, presumably cheaper, and way cheaper cause i got the ult when it was around 70 bucks total

[iron wind]

*promise for DLCs

but not actual playable DLCs (so far)

[coarse falcon]

And dlc is comming

[main jewel]

also most of the uniques are really cool

[iron wind]

be delayed, sorry for spoiler

[coarse falcon]

so what?

[main jewel]

summer 2026

we have a few months

[coarse falcon]

it will pass in a flash

[main jewel]

also gsc cant uh just drop this game without putting out the dlcs,

due to some like

legal thing

ive hearf

[main jewel]

true

but the ult edition is definitely no scam

id say the deluxe is tho

[iron wind]

so wait

[iron wind]

has GSC ever released on time tho?

[nimble galleon]

Ultimate edition uniques are nice weapons to get for free and the dlc’s that will all eventually come is a good deal

[coarse falcon]

So i'm waiting. I swear, you sound like only thing in your life is waiting for DLC, and beside that you just sit and watch paint dry. I have at least 15 books to read and backlog of 40 - 50 games i want to play. I can use month or five.

When you get older months stops to make such huge impression, trust me.

Bit here and there, who cares?

[dusky pawn]

Kinda true also the release date is quite close so i cant imagine theyd move it more than a month

[bitter plover]

yep

[dusky pawn]

Same

[bitter plover]

yeah

[dusky pawn]

Waiting for cool merch if they make any
Preferably not a shirt with giant STALKER letters

Also lowkey the collectors edition sucked

[ashen rock]

My game keeps on crashing. I have no clue why though.

🫩

[potent raptor]

yo did they fix the weird ass glowing hair glitch?

[coarse falcon]

did you check files?

installed or had old mods from before update?

[ashen rock]

I’m checking my mods rn

I installed everything a day ago then I just installed something new and it keeps on crashing

[coarse falcon]

also update your drivers

[ashen rock]

How do I do that

[coarse falcon]

graphics card one

if you have nvidia use their app

[ashen rock]

I’m on Xbox

[coarse falcon]

oh, thats rough

[ashen rock]

Yeah💔

[coarse falcon]

some mods might cause that

[ashen rock]

They gave me a warning when I loaded the game that some mods were colliding or something

That might be the issue

[coarse falcon]

You get that if save file has mod that you removed. If you load and save again then it's ok. Never had problem with that personally.

[ashen rock]

So just load a new save

Cause like what happens is I load and I play for like a minute or two and then it crashes

[coarse falcon]

Load your last save, do a quicksave or something and work from there.

[ashen rock]

Kk

[ashen rock]

Just crashes

[coarse falcon]

damn

remove all mods?

reinstall seems a bit final and there is a lot to download

[ashen rock]

So just delete and then reinstall everything

[lusty shadow]

I don't know, I was expecting more bug fixes in patch 1.9. The content is good, but it left me wanting more.

But on the other hand, I understand the main point: patch 2.0 will be an engine upgrade and optimizations, which is something most of the community wants. But I hope that patch 2.0 will also include a fix for the NPC wallhack.

[jolly berry]

guys please can someone send me 100% or at least story mode completed save game file

[tardy rain]

omg you little goober stop breaking it

what mod did you add?

[ashen rock]

One of yours

[tardy rain]

hahahaha classic

[ashen rock]

It was your standard armory mod

[tardy rain]

one sec lemme find your list

[ashen rock]

Kk

[ashen rock]

I can just DM the list if you can’t find it

[tardy rain]

think I got it, 12 mods + OXA?

[ashen rock]

Kilogram and cigarette mods

I deleted it because they weren’t working

[tardy rain]

Better Ballistics, Dynamic Weather, Weapon Reposition, Ace's Real Flashlight, Shay's Impact, Shay's NPC Interactions, Shay's QOL Changes, Bartender Sells All, MoreSideQuestOptions

[potent raptor]

enemy shot my grenade out of my hands and I died

[ashen rock]

Yup

[tardy rain]

ok so first thing I'd try is uninstall OXA and check the game loads

if it loads, remove all attachments from all your weapons - in your inventory AND in your stash

[ashen rock]

What’s that one?

[tardy rain]

that's my one

once you've removed all attachments, save the game, then reinstall OXA

[ashen rock]

I already deleted it, and I was able to play for like 30 minutes, but it’s still hard crashed

[obsidian pond]

i never played a stalker game before which one should i buy
im thinking S2 but idk

[ashen rock]

If you’re on console stalker 2 but if you’re on PC get anomaly

[bitter plover]

they moved internaly on updated engine, so all fixes are there. UE update was supposed to be already out, and i guess, they didnt think, it will take this long

[obsidian pond]

im pc

[ashen rock]

I would get anomaly or gamma cause people seem to like those more than stalker 2

[tardy rain]

just to be clear - is it crashing as soon as you load the game with OXA installed?

[lusty shadow]

Well, it's not just about porting to Unreal Engine 5.5.4; there are bugs due to the difference between 5.1 and 5.5.4, but they also need to polish the code for the game to run better. Everyone wants Stalker 2 to have better optimization than it currently does.

[obsidian pond]

anomaly is based off call of pripyat right?

[coarse falcon]

Depends what you are looking for. I don't like them at all.

[smoky hawk]

what the devil tells me when I get lost in the desert

[ashen rock]

Pretty sure yeah

[smoky hawk]

no its based of Call of Misery

[ashen rock]

I’m able to play for like five minutes and then it just hard crashes and then I uninstalled your mod and I was able to play for longer, but it still ended up hard crashing

[obsidian pond]

which stalker gmae is better for beginner idk bruh
im leaning towards stalker 2 cause good graphics and allat

[tardy rain]

@ashen rock take your ritalin and lock in, I wanna fix this 😛

[bitter plover]

of course, Thats all part of porting to newer version

[coarse falcon]

Those big mods are cool and add a lot of stuff (too much imo) but lack stalker substance. For me they become just Tarkov at home.

[smoky hawk]

do you want to play Stalker or do you want to play Gamm?
Gamma is not stalker

[obsidian pond]

i meant game not gamma

[bitter plover]

jesus christ

[forest tapir]

start at soc

[smoky hawk]

if you want a newer experience Stalker 2 is ok right now although I would still recommend you wait for the DLC or Engine upgrade to drop
if you don't mind jank and an older game, play Shadow of Chernobyl, it's the start of the series and the best introuction

[tardy rain]

hmmmmmmm - how far into the game are you on this save?

[forest tapir]

make your way to hoc

after CS and CoP

[ashen rock]

I’m at the end I already completed the game, but I loaded to save before I went into the tunnel so now I’m just free roaming doing side quest

[obsidian pond]

Call of Pripyat (non enhanced) is really cheap
is that one good

[tardy rain]

Gotcha, so these are clean saves which have never had mods on them? Even if you later removed those mods?

[ashen rock]

Yea

[smoky hawk]

Call of Pripyat assumes you have played both SOC and CS before, it isn't a bad start but not the best

[forest tapir]

Yes, but if you’re trying to understand the story easier it’d be better to start at SoC and then CS

[obsidian pond]

oh ok

[tardy rain]

Honestly CoP is your best bet - still relatively modern, arguably the most refined in terms of vanilla gameplay

[bitter plover]

As Vasim said. If you are okay with older jank, start with Shadow of Chernobyl, if you will like it, you can continue to Clear Sky and then Call of Prypiat and meanwhole, DLC with UE update for S2 will be out and you wll be fine to go that route.
For the Anomaly and Gamma that was said higher. Its mod, that changes the gameplay to be more sandbox, its not story driven game as Stalker games and makes it more hardcore, gamma makes it even more and also basicaly survival game. It has very very different DNA and it has fanmade lore, so its even having some retcons and etc. Its fun to play, but its not inherently Stalker, just sandbox game in Stalker setting with some fanmade lore

[smoky hawk]

COP is the weakest of the entire seires

[coarse falcon]

But is continuation of previous two games story wise.

[obsidian pond]

what is the difference between SoC enhanced and non enhanced?
you can get non enhanced version really cheap

[smoky hawk]

EE is worse in every way

except

controller support

[obsidian pond]

what does EE stand for lol

[main jewel]

ehanced edition

[smoky hawk]

Enhanced Edition

[coarse falcon]

Enhanced Edition

[main jewel]

en

[bitter plover]

EE has some improvement, but also some downgrades due to porting and not having true sources from back then. EE is upgraded version, so they are able to be used on consoles

[main jewel]

yeah

[obsidian pond]

enhanced = better usually ?

[coarse falcon]

But you get normal game with it for free too

[main jewel]

it looks wonky

to me

[bitter plover]

some things are better, some are worse

[main jewel]

but thats cause i played the original trilogy

[bitter plover]

If you buy enahnced version, you should automaticaly get older version too

[smoky hawk]

not with these ones

[obsidian pond]

ok ima buy stalker 1 soc non enhanced for like 2 euros lmao

[ashen rock]

Any updates if the mods could be wrong or am I fųcked

[obsidian pond]

is stalker 2 SoC same thing as stalker 1 just newer?

[main jewel]

if you want if ur on pc, if you go on gog and buy call of pripyat you cna get gamma also

i personally dont like gamma

bht erm

[smoky hawk]

Stalker 2 is a completely new game and different from Shadow of Chernobyl

[obsidian pond]

cba to get gog lmao

[main jewel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1449808330477535242/1449808330817011876/EN_Peritya.gif

[obsidian pond]

steam supermacy

[forest tapir]

Stalker 1 = Shadow of Chernobyl
Stalker 2 = Heart of Chornobyl

[obsidian pond]

oh

stalker 2 has so nice graphics

[forest tapir]

It’s nice when it doesn’t glitch

[obsidian pond]

but i guess buying the cheaper version first to see if i like it makes sense

[tardy rain]

Honestly, not sure at this point - there's nothing obvious causing it, and unless you can think of something linking the crashes it's hard to figure out what might be doing it

Do the crashes occur when approaching certain locations, opening containers, anything like that?

[ashen rock]

It’s one of the add-on quests for one of the mods installed where I’m getting a pedal artifact for the guy in rostok and then when I get maybe a half a kilometer away it just hard crashes

I’ve been able to get a little further when I deleted your mod, but still crashing

I can send you a clip of when it happens

[fickle hill]

Gotta get a hole in one with grandma in her wheel chair

[tardy rain]

ok so it's crashing as you approach Rostok?

[ashen rock]

Once I leave rostok

[tardy rain]

damn, that's weird

[ashen rock]

Ik

[tardy rain]

like approaching Rostok could be a sign it's a stash item causing issues, but leaving Rostok is just weird

Got any saves from before you took that quest?

[ashen rock]

I can go boot up the game and send you a clip

[ashen rock]

Yea

[tardy rain]

That's ok, I spend half my life watching this game crash 😛

[dreamy dagger]

Boot my ass

[ashen rock]

Loaded that one and it still didn’t work

[tardy rain]

Could you try loading the last save you had before doing ANY modding at all?

[dreamy dagger]

@proven hollow Kick my ass

[ashen rock]

Yeah, hold up

[tardy rain]

The reason I keep going on about saves and mods is because some mods aren't just an on/off switch. If you have a mod that makes your gun do 1000 damage and then remove it, nothing bad happens - the mod was just adjusting a setting, and removing the mod puts that setting back where it was. Now, if you have a mod that ADDS a gun that does 1000 damage and remove it, you can have problems - The save file will contain information about that gun, like where it is in your inventory. The game tries to load this information, but with the mod gone, there's nothing to load - this can cause a crash

So for example, the cigarette mod - if you had it for a bit, decided you didn't want it and removed it, there's a risk that somewhere in your save file is something referring to the cigarettes. A trader or NPC could have them in their inventory, and you don't find out until you get close enough that the game loads that NPC, can't find the data it's expecting, and crashes

[ashen rock]

Got you I just finished getting the clip. Low-key took a minute.

You got five minutes of gameplay to watch

[obsidian pond]

soc looks kinda jank icl

[tardy rain]

this is why I recommend CoP for newcomers

once you're hooked and want more, SoC is great

but if you just want a game that makes sense and works, CoP is gonna be the best introduction imo

[ashen rock]

Just sent you the gameplay

[obsidian pond]

what abt s2

[tardy rain]

I feel like S2 is going to be better than it's predecessors, but it's in an awkward middle-ground at the moment. Modding scene is solid but a little slow lately as there's a lot of anticipation for the engine update. It's not that I don't recommend it, it's just that I have hope that the engine update is going to make some significant positive changes and you may be better off playing through CoP for a month or two beforehand

[unique locust]

holy shіt you're that gmod scp guy. it's been weeks and you're still asking if you're gonna like stalker lmfao

[tardy rain]

I also think S2 benefits more from having some background playing the series. For example, the factions have all changed since the earlier games; I think the changes are great, but they're better viewed with the context of what state these factions were in beforehand

[fresh cloud]

NO WAY

[tardy rain]

And maybe it's just because the old games made a big impression on lil baby me, but playing S2 and coming across places/people from the older games felt very nostalgic, without becoming a constant stream of "REMEMBER THIS?!" references that some sequels do

[unique locust]

real

going to some weird new POI and realizing it's something from the OGs 😻

[tardy rain]

Some of em are kinda sad too, like opening the door to Noah's barge and expecting the blast and... nothing. Just an empty space. The Zone has moved on. You are old.

[ashen rock]

Speaking of the zone, mine isn’t working

[tardy rain]

lol

[fickle hill]

Another one with a Script error

[ashen rock]

Find anything in the gameplay I sent you or no

[tardy rain]

Sadly no, nothing jumping out at me - Is it the same place every time?

[ashen rock]

Just around the area

I can send you the mods I currently have installed

[tardy rain]

Could you try loading one of your old saves from before you installed a single mod, then head to that area?

[ashen rock]

Fs

[tardy rain]

you can keep the mods you have installed now

[ashen rock]

Fs

[tardy rain]

I just want to rule out the 'old mod' theory

[ashen rock]

Every time I boot up the game, it still gives me a mod conflict detected is that still bad or no

[tardy rain]

not really, just means two mods are trying to change the same thing

[ashen rock]

Kk

Do you want me to go back to rostok and except the same quest

[tardy rain]

You mentioned you still had the crash without accepting the quest right?

[ashen rock]

I accepted it, but I didn’t go near the same place. I just fast traveled to the Sultan to see if it was just rostok

[ashen rock]

Is that a yes or no in accepting the same quest

?

[still current]

[ashen rock]

Just crashed without accepting the quest

[tardy rain]

could you send me a picture of the map

wanna get an idea of the area so i can see whats there

[ashen rock]

On my pda

[tardy rain]

yea

[ashen rock]

I was sitting in rostok but I’m booting it up right now

[potent raptor]

how do I start the new X-18 mission?

[ashen rock]

Just did

[fickle hill]

Diode

Garbages finest tech

[potent raptor]

Can I do that at any point in the game? I forgot if he dies or something

[fickle hill]

No he sits in one place the whole game

[sterile radish]

you can start the quest as long as you’ve completed ||Hot on the Trail|| and havent started ||A Minor Incident||

or if you’re on Xbox or PC (i think) you can install the early X-18 questline mod

[potent raptor]

well shit
I'm literally about to enter X3

[stoic flicker]

anyone getting crashing on 9070XT? Fine for hours and then will repeatedly crash, then fine again. Very strange. Found some reddit posts about how turning off frame gen fixes it

[sterile radish]

[solemn ibex]

lol there is still limitation on how many markers you can leave on a map - what is the use of it then????????

[proven hollow]

relax

[bitter plover]

For anyone. Upgrades are now on sale

[marble gyro]

What's a marker?

Is that a mod

[fickle hill]

No

[marble gyro]

How to make marker in master mode?

[fickle hill]

When on the PDA map hold tab to set a custom marker or right click for a marker

[marble gyro]

It doesn't show in game

[fickle hill]

Ouchers

[harsh jungle]

i think im making the pool noodle too heavy

[snow basalt]

i cant decide if i should try to install a fast travel mod to make things easier, but then i may miss things i wouldve seen if i walked around myself, regardless all the mods i try to install never work anyways

nah im not gonna i guess

[potent raptor]

how far is the spawn distance for Artefacts now?

[main jewel]

i mean you can place down 11

i think 11 is enough bro

thats more than most games

[edgy flax]

Доброго дня. У мене питання. Яка зі зброї має найвищий коефіцієнт ЗручнIсть

[solemn ibex]

that is why I am going to use a russian mod,
I dont think it is enough I can have 11 at least at the noon island
so many unmarked places in the game - anomaly zones
i need my markers

[inland pivot]

Hello :D 👋👋

[main jewel]

erm

why tho

[visual mortar]

g

[main jewel]

like

[visual mortar]

at the donut shop!

[main jewel]

im sure they are already marked on the map for alot of them

and it only takes a smidge brain power to know where they are

[solemn ibex]

no brain I explore I mark

[main jewel]

that just seems like more work but whateveh

[mint thunder]

[dreamy dagger]

How much announcements without DLC info?

Place yo bets

[mint thunder]

how do u get more roles

[dreamy dagger]

By getting Rolexs

[marble gyro]

But anomaly zones are marked

[mint thunder]

[dreamy dagger]

You get more roles by pointing out the truth abou GSC management

Themore you do it, the more you get liked

[obsidian pond]

What are some other games that have gunplay like stalker 2

[mint thunder]

metro escape from tarkov

[odd sky]

wolfenstein

metro depends on situation, its 50% stealth 30% gunplay 20% dialogs
escape from tarkov is russian game, never played

[potent raptor]

What are some good farming spots for Burers and Controllers? I cannot go to Pripyat or Jupiter yet

[potent raptor]

is the Doctorant Zhytnychenko side quest bugged? I get the radio call but he doesn't spawn

[devout quest]

is anyone able to help me identify where my game might be crashing from

[fiery ibex]

am hungry

I go eat

[mint thunder]

real

[pulsar moat]

what's the diffrence between master veteran plus and just veteran?

I was ducking around and about to enable saving and it stated that it would turn it into veteran plus on master difficulty

[potent raptor]

It's just Master with Saving turned on
Everything else stays the same

[pulsar moat]

kinda wish we had occasional guides around the zones we can pay to get us from one palce to another 🙁

also did they nerf water and energy drinks?

[potent raptor]

you mean like regular stalkers? because there already are guides ingame

[thorny nova]

Hey can I ask a quick question. May be spoilers below.

I'm just before faust fight, I'm underprepared with broken weapons / low ammo. Can I leave the area to swap weapons / gather supplies

[pulsar moat]

yeah like regular stalkers in call of pripyat that you can pay to get you from one place eo another

[thorny nova]

I didn't take the mission seriously enough 😂 should have brought the RPG

[potent raptor]

you need to reload a save sadly
But the faust fight isn't too difficult, shoot his lantern a few times and his shield drops

after the shield is gone he is like a regular enemy

[thorny nova]

I get the mechanics and need to try it a few times. But I just pray I have a save thats reasonably close 😆

Played up to this point on steam deck with no aim assist. May have to pull out the mouse and keyboard haha

[fierce nexus]

[empty hare]

Is it possible to survive an emission without shelter or is it scripted to kill you like the mono snipers? Assuming only vanilla (non-modded) items/gear/etc, could you spam a huge amount of psyblock and medkits and just tank it with the right armor and artifacts?

[fickle hill]

Depends on your medical situation and difficulty

[shell flax]

The damage also constantly ramps up

[fickle hill]

But it will eat your gear alive

[empty hare]

Hmm, maybe I'll give it a shot once i get near the end of the game on this save file

What kind of damage is the emission? Strictly psy damage?

[shell flax]

Nope, emissions do their own damage type

Have fun

[round charm]

Why can’t I store or sell skifs pistol I don’t want that weak thing anymore

[nimble galleon]

It’s marked as a quest item you can’t remove it or store it ever

If you unload it and remove attachment and make sure to do the weight reduction upgrade it can just sit in you inventory at .25kg

[empty hare]

Thats his emotional support gun

[round charm]

No kidding lol

[round charm]

Alright appreciate it bro. I still don’t know how to upgrade my weapons, I just bought this game yesterday.

[nimble galleon]

You can find technicians at different camps around the map, they can upgrade and repair your gear

[round charm]

Oh shit I didn’t know that

Is there a technician at slag heap?

I don’t see one marked on the map

[nimble galleon]

They’ll have a wrench icon

[frigid hill]

potentt_ has been warned

Reason: Posted an invite

[nimble galleon]

Slag heaps tech should be diode

Technicians are the best things to know how to use in the zone

[shell flax]

It’s also the only gun that Burers can’t take

[round charm]

Yeah I’m talking to diode now

He’s a technician

[fickle hill]

It should weigh like nothing since that's mine I have it at 0kg

[round charm]

Same here, mine is 0kg as well.

[nimble galleon]

Usually I run a kora as my secondary and it works wonders

[round charm]

That’s what I bought at slag heap

Haven’t tested it yet

[empty hare]

I just use AP 9x18 with an extended mag/rds on skifs makarov

I also only ever carry 1 gun and 1 pistol, unless i need a specialized weapon for a quest like an RPG or long range rifle

[round charm]

I carry the mosin, M860 & kora

Anyone know what the sparker’s PDA & the product 81 specifications is for?

[empty hare]

Extremely based loadout, ive currently got Special and skifs mak

[round charm]

I carry what I find usually lol

If I find a full durability weapon I keep it unless I already have one

[empty hare]

Yep, ill even keep yellow cond guns if i don't already have one of them and repair them if i need them later

But im a loot hoarder, so my stash always ends up filled with crap I'll never touch

[round charm]

Yeah I’m gonna do the same now since I know there’s a technician

I usually take ammo and weapons and sell them

[empty hare]

Save all the ammo you find, especially the green or yellow icon ammo. You will need it later on

I ended up with 4k rounds of 5.45 in my last save

[round charm]

I might of found the green but sold it because I needed coupons & storage

[empty hare]

Burned through ~1200rnds in pripyat alone

[empty hare]

Wym storage? Your stash is infinite

[round charm]

No I mean storage on my body lol

[empty hare]

Ohhh lmao, just dump all that stuff in your stash, i promise youll thank yourself further into the game

[nimble galleon]

How?

[round charm]

Can I upgrade my carry weight?

[nimble galleon]

I don’t think I’ve ever needed that much ammo for anything

[nimble galleon]

Yes, specific armors or artifacts can increase it

[empty hare]

Did several loot runs back to back and was using non-AP ammo against Monolith

Pretty much cleared the entire city over a couple hours killing everyone i ran into

[frigid hill]

spadezzz._. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[round charm]

Damn I can’t curse 😭

[nimble galleon]

On my first ever playthough I never used AP rounds and never needed many shots to take down monolith soldiers

[round charm]

These dudes wanted me to stash vodka in their stashes but I’m just robbing em even though they told me not too 😭

[nimble galleon]

Trophy carried me through everything late game

[empty hare]

You only get like 800 koupons for not robbing them, way more profitable to just take the stuff

[nimble galleon]

Valid

[round charm]

Good lmao

[nimble galleon]

It’s practically free stuff

[round charm]

Guys I have 63 medkits & 69 bandages is that a lot lol
(totally not playing on rookie because it’s my first time)

[nimble galleon]

I mean you’re rude for doing it but who isn’t in the zone

[round charm]

For real lol

[nimble galleon]

You do not need that many on you at once yeesh

[empty hare]

It's a decent amount, you'll find a lot more as you go. I usually carry 10-12 medkits and 10 bandages and i almost never run out

[round charm]

I don’t know man I get torn up easy as hell lol especially by those doctor Connor looking things

[nimble galleon]

Whenever I get later into the game I’ll vary around 20 of each but I’m a loot goblin so I never need to actually bring that much

[empty hare]

You can also cut down on regular medkits by bringing army and scientific medkits but those are rarer

[round charm]

If I store some of my medkits & bandages in the box in the weapons trader room will they stay there?

[empty hare]

Those boxes are like Minecraft ender chests, they all link and have infinite storage

[round charm]

Bet

[empty hare]

It's for dumping everything and anything into for later use

[round charm]

Alright I’m storing 38 medkits & 44 bandages

I have 25 of each kept in my inventory

[nimble galleon]

If I go and look at my first playthroughs storage I don’t think I ever used like 90% of the stuff in there

[round charm]

So if I go to another camp my healing supplies will be in that orange chest

[nimble galleon]

Yep

[round charm]

Bet, that’s all I needed to know

[sterile radish]

yep your stash is universal, any hub that has a personal stash will contain your belongings

[round charm]

Bet

I never played the older games I want too but I wanted something with today’s graphics and better combat mechanics

[opaque cipher]

Zdalger engine update and a-life when

[round charm]

I just got a Mac-10 from the second stash 😮‍💨

[nimble galleon]

I haven’t used it much, it can go in the pistol slot though

[round charm]

Lowkey might sell it lol

Not a fan of sub machine guns tbh

I used the MP5 for a little bit but got bored of it

[mint thunder]

coool

[round charm]

Is the RNBW 2X scope good?

[nimble galleon]

Preference, but it can only go on specific weapons

[nimble galleon]

I’m not too big a fan either

[sterile radish]

yeah they tend to get boring

[round charm]

Loving the mosin though

[sterile radish]

[round charm]

What level do I gain access to send picture and gifs

[sterile radish]

oof..
pretty sure its Master, but thats level 60 or something

your best bet is to just send images if you need to in #💬┃en_offtop

[round charm]

Alright

[stoic violet]

Yo

Do you if GSC have more gun’s again for the futur?

M249 exemple

[round charm]

I sent something in there I need help with, I wish I can post it in here

[stoic violet]

SKS..

[shell flax]

Yes there was like 4 new guns teased in the DLC trailer

[vernal lily]

level 50

[sterile radish]

ah okay
thanks

[sterile radish]

i’ll check it out

[round charm]

Appreciate it

[stoic violet]

What are the dutur new gun’s do you know?

[shell flax]

G3
Fort 230
SKS
HK 433

[stoic violet]

Fort 230???

[shell flax]

That’s also only the ones we see in the trailer

[shell flax]

Ukrainian MP9

[stoic violet]

Oh ok well nice!

[shell flax]

There’s also a suppressed 860 in the trailer too

[pine solstice]

Could someone make a mod where nimble gives skif 1 million coupons?😂

[stoic violet]

About the world can you do something new appart the mission or quest? In the futur?

Multiplayer comming soon??

[pine solstice]

Would be sweet

But like co-op

[stoic violet]

Lootable mod works but not the craftable one

[shell flax]

Multiplayer isn’t going to be Coop, GSC killed that possibility a long time ago

Likely it’ll just be TDM and such like the trilogy has on PC

[stoic violet]

But he doing a pvp also?

Like the division and the dark zone?

[shell flax]

No idea, multiplayer is likely absolute bottom of the priority list rn

[stoic violet]

Ok

The game have how much dlc’s in total now and in the futur someone know?

The hope «  one are the second (2) right?

[sterile radish]

Cost of Hope is the first major DLC

[stoic violet]

Oh ok my bad…

[sterile radish]

no worries

[stoic violet]

Sooo…

How much dlc’s in the future

I like this game but i scare to spend my time for nothing if i do not have the full game ahahah

[sterile radish]

we should expect more major DLCs in the future, but as of now we have two small expansions and the upcoming DLC in summer

[stoic violet]

I have the precommand full version

The first full big version

How many times you think of the developper working on?

[still current]

Not quite sure what you mean

There is only one coming this summer

Total are two (paid dlcs)

[stoic violet]

The developper works on that game for futur many year’s

[still current]

You'll get those automatically if you have the season pass which comes with the ultimate already

[stoic violet]

Yeah i have it

[still current]

Devs will support the game until everything is finished

It can be a year, it can be 2 or 3. It all depends

[stoic violet]

And when is probably finished what i need to know ahaha

Oh ok

[still current]

The dlc will be live this summer

The second one might be next year

Mid probably

[river chasm]

GSC doesn't tell us much so

[still current]

Can't be sure cuz I have no data to share

[stoic violet]

Do you thinks he putting more lives.., peoples

Appart the dlc’s

[still current]

? What do you mean

Free content?

[stoic violet]

The A-LIFE are a litlle bit brake

[stoic violet]

Yeah

[still current]

If so then yeah, there will be free content as per usual

We already got two free content updates

Last one is pretty small compared to the other, but still

We also got new guns and will probably keep getting new content as we go on

[stoic violet]

I love the game like road to rostok or tarkov game i hop the GSC game take that turn with the rest of the game (style)

[still current]

Alife got plenty of improvement and it's okay ish right now. It will keep getting attention and would probably get most by next patch

[still current]

I'm sorry, but stalker is the og and rest are barely even significant to the genra, nor the style.

[stoic violet]

I respect the genre but all genre get evolution

[still current]

Stalker shaped the whole FPS genra to be fair

[stoic violet]

Specialy for that type of the game now and for the futur

[shell flax]

The guns in S2 already are the most detailed in the series

[stoic violet]

The gameplay needed intensity

[shell flax]

I really don’t want them to go hyper autistic on gun details

[still current]

Yeah. S2 may have its flaws (which are mostly lore and story) but it's still quite good.
The ones he mentioned have no place in comparison

[stoic violet]

Im playing the master difficulty and i d’ont scare at each corner and i d’ont take a look in my back i do not have scare

[dry sluice]

Hey friends, I'm new to Stalker and I wanted to know which boot button I press to hold my breath.

[stoic violet]

No egnouf intense ahaha

[still current]

Tab

[stoic violet]

I respect the genre

[still current]

If I'm not mistaken

[shell flax]

Stalker really never has been hyper intense, it’s always been arcadey and relatively chill

[stoic violet]

The decision in the game the genre lineaire (non-lineaire games in open world

[shell flax]

It’ll still blow your shit smooth off if you get cocky though

[stoic violet]

Is perfect but we need to survive

[still current]

SoC kinda was intense at some instances, or maybe it was me, young and frail lol

[shell flax]

Stalker isn’t a survival game

[stoic violet]

Not running everywhere to kill everypeople for seeing what he hving on her body’s

[still current]

It is in part, but not as a major style. I mean you definitely gotta survive 5 bloodsuckers or two controllers lol

[stoic violet]

The shooting moment at the corner of the door the shell’s ect…

[still current]

Right?

[stoic violet]

That is cool but that game needed a littlebit more immersion

[shell flax]

Hell S2 master is the only part where hunger is a major thing because Skif can starve to death in that difficulty

[dry sluice]

But the tab opens my backpack, I've already pressed all the buttons on my keyboard and it won't hold its breath.

[still current]

Check your key binding

[shell flax]

You can only hold your breath while aiming down a scope

[still current]

Ah maybe the shift

I haven't slept for two days, so I'm not on my right mind lol

[shell flax]

Also Rahmi, you seen this animation yet?

[still current]

Memory malfunction

[still current]

Yes

It was there but never worked as it should

[stoic violet]

Appart all of that i love that game i love the story

[still current]

I've noticed some changes and well, it's cool now

[stoic violet]

On that good night stalker good hunting

[shell flax]

Honestly once engine upgrade hits I imagine they’ll make it collect artifacts

[still current]

All that is left is having the artifact displayed

Aye

My thoughts

That would definitely help alot in alife regard

[shell flax]

If I look over and see a Sparker hold up a compass, I’m blowing his shit smooth off on the spot

[still current]

Level changer type of improvement

Even if it's generic

It would be nice to have an NPC BEATING you to an artifact

I mean, the frustration will be real, but it would be super cool

[shell flax]

Gotta trade with him or kill him if you want the artifact

[still current]

Trading or whatever might be a bit far fetched but yeah

[shell flax]

We already have NPCs able to steal your mutant parts in S2

[still current]

I mean we used to have that in the ogs

I had to kill sometimes lol

[stoic violet]

Imagine that because that guy needed a 2 sec for check compass and you do that PERFECT!

[stoic violet]

Make the world more immersive

[dry sluice]

Are all scopes that allow me to hold my breath? Because I'm using a 2x scope.

[stoic violet]

A skyrim style in that genre of play

Amazing

[stoic violet]

I d’ont think so

Just the x4 in up one i think

Or just sniper

[still current]

No, only long range

[stoic violet]

You have some mod for that i think