☢┃stalker-general

[fast temple]

did that one mod finally go outside

[main jewel]

aughh mfffggg~~~ i looove arbys~ kyaaa >w<

well erm they are ai

id expect uh

ai to have wall hacks

they are programmed after all

[smoky hawk]

no I didnt

[main jewel]

just shoot them before they get you

its not too hard

[charred nova]

pow bang

[main jewel]

and avoid edges of vehicles

wood surfaces

thin metal sheets

[charred nova]

sometimes they can go through rooves too

[main jewel]

maybe prioritize like physical protection

[charred nova]

TRUE

[main jewel]

well they are thin surfaces

[charred nova]

i guess

no your pointless

[main jewel]

how did bro fall for the easiest rage bait evr

but its also facts

[vernal lily]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-funny-editing-photoshop-gif-4010364909273162247

[main jewel]

if your still dying to wallbangs

just get better

its been a whole YEAR

[vernal lily]

What's happening

[main jewel]

ai shootin through walls

like r6 players

[burnt bridge]

They got my man T

[main jewel]

which really its not like irl people wont shoot at a wall to shoot you through it

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ethan-write-14-anger-angry-gif-6309670105397957152

[vernal lily]

https://tenor.com/view/toucan-bird-loaf-loafing-animal-gif-16156592159053577301

[main jewel]

new engine brings new opportunities

theres a mod out currently

that uh changes wall penetration or aomething

[main jewel]

where do yoy get a tucan

just give it time gang

[vernal lily]

Toucans are vicious birds, unlike what people think they are

[main jewel]

i wanna go to the toucan store

[vernal lily]

https://tenor.com/view/cornflakes-opossum-cereal-possum-gif-19741957

[charred nova]

big surprise most wild animals don't actually make great pets

[vernal lily]

Just go to the opossum store and get a opossum

[charred nova]

its like those red panadas people like

[vernal lily]

I meant that they will kill and eat small bird or other animals. People think they only eat fruit and stuff

[charred nova]

they are apparently terrible non social creatures that will never like or pay attention to you except for when it's feeding time

[charred nova]

oh

[shell flax]

Reminder deer will also eat small animals

[vernal lily]

It's not really part of their main diet though, only when they lack the nutrients they need.

Toucans are opportunistic omnivores

[main jewel]

what does a toucan eat

[vernal lily]

Their main diet are fruits, will also eat small animals and other bird eggs.

[main jewel]

they wont eat my cats

when my cats die i will buy a toucan

i hope he will like me

[vernal lily]

https://tenor.com/view/tucan-funny-cute-stepping-walking-gif-17493053

[shell flax]

Every toucan rescue channel I’ve ever seen has said they make god awful pets

[vernal lily]

Wild animals make terrible pets in general

[shell flax]

I know (I rescued a raccoon when I was a kid)

Raised her after her mom got hit by a truck. The house could be described as ‘heavily shitted’ after a month

[hardy totem]

Yikes

[shell flax]

Sent her off to a sanctuary after she wasn’t in danger of dying on her own

Learned my lesson though, leave rescues to the professionals

[hardy totem]

Until recently I had a cat that had some junglecat in her ancestry. Even 4 generations down you notice that

[shell flax]

Bengal?

[main jewel]

oh

but i want a bird

[hardy totem]

Chausie

[main jewel]

i want a finch

or a quail

[shell flax]

Faust would know more about birds than me. All I know is don’t pet em anywhere else but the head.

[main jewel]

quails are like the fat round ones

[shell flax]

If they let you at all

[vernal lily]

button quails make good quail choice if space is a problem

[main jewel]

woaaah

[vernal lily]

They are very small birds even as adults

[main jewel]

i want a fat tiny bird like this guy here

[hardy totem]

My wife has a soft-spot for conures, so I'm probably not gonna be able to avoid those at some point

[main jewel]

but i will have to wait

cause mt cats

i will never give them yp

up

but my cats will eat the tiny guy

[bitter plover]

imo it will be 35

[worldly ingot]

Inb4 that dude comes and says this chat talks more about birds than stalker 2

I'm guessing 30 bucks

I'd give them 5 extra if they include the "wipe out Freedom" feature

[vernal lily]

Yes, those are the button quails

[carmine star]

If stalker 2 was a bird, what bird would it be

[undone quail]

hey what you think is the best wepon for each ammo type

[carmine star]

Niiiice

[small quest]

🛎️

[charred nova]

https://youtu.be/4VBIDuqjQic?si=nqrj6P4F6dw2MJ-B

Strap in

No

But still exciting

After 7 years it’s been long enough though let’s be honest I won’t be coming till 2027

[bitter plover]

30 bucks would be okay imo only if there would be more things to come, like some small paid DLC for future. It shouldnt be same price as upgrade iteslf. Even when you get more from upgrade, bcs its just little more. SO it shdoult be little more expensive. THats why i said 35

[fast temple]

we really getting a new metro before stalker 2 is fixed

[dusky pawn]

I mean we waited long enough for one

I wonder if they will forget artyom was only 20 in 2033 and make him a 40 year old veteran

[charred nova]

Probably not cus it’s not dropping till 2027

[dusky pawn]

Cause i mean the games kinda ignore the part where artyom is barely an adult

[charred nova]

[fast temple]

Unc artyom still putting belt to mutant ass at 40

[bitter plover]

its reveal. Release date can be easily in year or what. even ĺonger

[charred nova]

Maybe not till 2028

[dusky pawn]

I think exodus was released in about a year after the big cinematic trailer

[bitter plover]

They completely scrapped their version in 2022

[fast temple]

im not confident stalker 2 will be what was announce by 2028

[charred nova]

It never will be realistically

[small quest]

Finally something to look forward to

[bitter plover]

if not, then what. Stalker is not tied to Metro in any way. If one will be out and completed before the other. Its completely irelevant

[dusky pawn]

If someone believed every word then it never will be and such a game never existed

Anyway it doesnt matter
More cool game content yippee
(Btw exodus was an even more unfinished shit mess on release than S2 people just didnt have crazy expectations)

[fast temple]

no it wasnt lol

[dusky pawn]

Yes it was and I have plenty of proof lmao

[small quest]

Back to the tunnels please

Who ever has done that before?!?!?

[dusky pawn]

Baikal could kill ur audio by loading it also stuttered
Valley was so unfinished you could go out of bounds and see all used and unused assets in the level
Novosibirsk lagged immensely despite being a small level
The whole baikal plotline with the fake mob boss was bugged/unfinished
All areas except volga had stuttering and lighting bugs related to fire (mostly)

Also the npcs are braindead

[small quest]

Waiting for a ping in and hour to say there is a board game update on this discord.

[small quest]

How long to fix it?

[dusky pawn]

And some white flashes had very weird triggers like for example you could kill some pirates on the boat in volga and get a white flash if you were undetected

[charred nova]

Exodus was just kinda of a lot of ideas

But they never committed to any of them

[dusky pawn]

Most of this was never fixed but they added ng+ and unfucked optimisation within a year
Ohh also music bugged out often but it was mostly noticeable in baikal and sam's dlc

Also I think some npcs could just randomly die like they had an aneurysm lmao i saw that in the baikal tower defense segment where u meet that kazach (?) Chick

[charred nova]

The desert was by far the most unique area but it’s also the one that feels the most unfinished

[dusky pawn]

Yes the desert (baikal) and valley (forest) were unfinished

[charred nova]

The forest level I hated

[dusky pawn]

The only finished level was volga

And novosibirsk was a linear level so it also worked ok

I guess yamantau was also another linear level but that shit lagged had lighting issues and also the enemies there were like jpgs lmfao

I swear some enemies there were not physical objects or something

[charred nova]

The sams story dlc was better than anything in the base game

Because it felt finished

[dusky pawn]

Volga was on par

[charred nova]

It was a semi linear map with some open world exploration potential

[dusky pawn]

It was the only finished and complete level in fact it was so full of content I missed some on 1st playthrough

[rugged gyro]

where

[dusky pawn]

But sam's dlc was peak esp the character of captain and the survival aspect on high difficulties

[charred nova]

Agreed

[dusky pawn]

I genuinely ran out of filters at some point which never happened in the base game even at the highest difficulty

[charred nova]

I loved Sam’s story stuck with me and was way more impactful

Since Sam is a voiced character with goals it’s easier to get involved and invested in his quests

[dusky pawn]

The endings are also more emotionally interesting cause base game its just
You die or you dont

And in sams case its be selfish or not

[charred nova]

Yah it’s a true moral question on if you trust the guy with the submarine

He seems like a fairly good and reasonable guy but it’s difficult to get a good read on him by design

[dusky pawn]

I assume he is an insane warmonger by default tbh

[charred nova]

He’s a business man

[dusky pawn]

He presents himself as one

[charred nova]

He’s not the warmonger though it’s his business partner

Who betrays him

[fresh cloud]

I hope 2039 is good, wondering what the story would even entail after exodus

[dusky pawn]

Anyway its irrelevant metro exodus was a giga unfinished game with a lot of potential wasted the only reason people didnt cry about it was because 4a is less involved in marketing and because the playerbase isnt a bunch of gamma addicted lunatics who obsess over AI not being real humans

[charred nova]

I looked it from the perspective of would this guy really decide to end the world all over again

And I didn’t see him as someone who would do that

He likely will use it for conquest

But I don’t think he will destroy the world

[solar lotus]

Metro officially announced

16 aprile guys

Well I didn't see that you was already talking about it lol

[charred nova]

True I never saw many people talk about how sub par the game was in a lot of ways lol

[worldly ingot]

Honestly prefer last light to exodus

[bitter plover]

thats true

[bitter plover]

same

although exodus was natural porgression to the franchise, it just didnt feel like true metro to me

[crystal granite]

https://youtu.be/kYPntDIyEzs?is=DWugWUWLxwvr0H94 hell yeah new Metro being announced on Thursday

[charred nova]

Agreed

[crystal granite]

While I enjoyed being in the tunnels, you could see Artyom wanted more. I really enjoyed Exodus

[charred nova]

Sams story is better than anything base exodus had to offer

Even compared to the Volga

Volga is good

[bitter plover]

As i said. It was natural progression to franchise. It just wasnt true Metro gameplay and atmosphear wise. Best levels of game are linear and closed. WHich says everything

[charred nova]

Not necessarily but the devs didn’t know how to make an open area metro map

The desert shows that well

[pulsar ermine]

There's another metro coming out ?

[charred nova]

Yup

[pulsar ermine]

Linear or open world?

[charred nova]

Dunno

[pulsar ermine]

I preferred the linear ones

[charred nova]

We find out on Thursday

[pulsar ermine]

My favourite was last light

[charred nova]

What’s funny is sometimes you can jump across the bodies of water your not suppose to

Idk if you discovered that

[bitter plover]

yeah, thats true. And as you said, desert map shows it the most

[bitter plover]

looks like semiopen world or open world with some visits to metro

[charred nova]

The desert had a lot of good ideas though it was sad it was so unfinished

[pulsar ermine]

We playing as artyom?

[bitter plover]

not known

[charred nova]

Oh your talking about stalker

[bitter plover]

leaks from canceled build talked about Hunter. But that was scrapped and it was based in 2033-34. Now its 2039, which would make more sense to play as Artyom again. But i feel like his story was finished

[pulsar ermine]

I'd settle for hunter,artyom or khan

[charred nova]

Maybe he goes back to free everyone from the metro

I do admit

The idea of the train makes my autism happy

The fucken train was bad ass

Soviet nuclear apocalypse train

[pulsar ermine]

Maybe 1 of those heavy armoured trains

[charred nova]

Maybe it won’t even take place in Russia at all

[worldly ingot]

Yeah atmosphere for me is everything that's probably why last light felt so much better

[charred nova]

Honestly there is a some what real chance

It takes place somewhere else entirely

[tall hawk]

man I havent beaten a single metro outside of 2033

[pulsar ermine]

Maybe there's a ship mechanic now

[tall hawk]

I only started Last Light, should beat that sometime and get Exodus...

[worldly ingot]

Honestly metro to me is linear in level design like wolfenstein

[charred nova]

Like the devs of metro might find it in poor taste to make another game set in Russia given what’s going on

[worldly ingot]

Like how I feel about the series overall, open world fits more into stalker for me

[charred nova]

But who knows maybe they will anyway

[tall hawk]

well, it's russia after it's been hit by a few nuclear warheads. In my eyes that's a downright utopian world

[pulsar ermine]

They could set it in Ukraine

[worldly ingot]

Idk I hate that mindset or erasing soviet era memorabilia like they did in enhanced editions of stalker, purely tasteless

[charred nova]

True the Sovietness of metro is a pretty entrenched part of the game

[worldly ingot]

Agree

[charred nova]

Even if most of the characters are like the communists

Don’t like those guys

Kinde fucken hate them honestly

[tall hawk]

arent communists one of the major villains of the entire series

[charred nova]

yes

literally everyone hates them

they are literally the ultimate enemy of last light

you have to fight off the communist scurge

[tall hawk]

the author of metro is kinda based ngl

[charred nova]

he is banned from going back to russia

[dreamy forge]

Technically not banned but moment he does hes thrown into jail

[charred nova]

well yah

[pulsar ermine]

Because he wrote a book🙏

[charred nova]

its more so because of some of his comments

he's made since leaving the country

[dreamy forge]

Hurts some goverment feefees

[pulsar ermine]

I should really read the metro books

[charred nova]

yah he said the russian goverment sucks and there president is an idiot basically

[tall hawk]

NOOOOOOOO STOP INSULTING THE HECKIN GENOCIDAL REGIME YOU'RE LITERALLY HURTING OUR FEELINGS NOOOOOO

[charred nova]

i've read the first one its actually pretty good

[dreamy forge]

2035 book was kinda meh

Ending was kinda cliche

Do hope we getting 2039 book

[charred nova]

i will say they take a lot of creative liberties with the games because artyom is very much against violence for the most part

he only kills 2 people in the entire 2033 book

and both times he's basically forced into doing it to save someone else

[tall hawk]

do I have to avoid killing all humans to get canon ending in the metro games?

[pulsar ermine]

Alternative universe where telltale made metro into a game

[charred nova]

no

[tall hawk]

if metro was mid instead of peak 💔

[pulsar ermine]

You can kill bandits and the reich I think

[charred nova]

like the fact the games are only really following the story beats of the book doesn't mean either are bad both the books and the games are good

[tall hawk]

I think to get "good ending" in the games you have to avoid killing humans during stealth sections

[dusky pawn]

Its not even that
The dude is a 20 year old he can barely fight unlike in games where he is a strelok like silent terminator

[charred nova]

im not even aware of an alternate ending to 2033

[dusky pawn]

No actually

[charred nova]

only last light has a good and bad ending

[dusky pawn]

You have to get white flashes which can be obtained via many ways

[charred nova]

2033 just has one ending

[tall hawk]

it's not canon, essentially ||you get the ability to destroy the target designator at the last second to spare the Dark Ones||

[dusky pawn]

Not true 2033 has a good ending

[charred nova]

huh?

[worldly ingot]

You have a lot of things besides this, theres one section with a teddy bear even if I remember right in last light

[dreamy forge]

its got 2

[pulsar ermine]

There's blow the dark ones up or don't endings

[cyan sparrow]

WTF is so RED in here today XD

[tall hawk]

I think you have to play instruments, donate bullets to beggars, and listen to NPC convos, right? That as well as sparing humans whenever possible.

[dusky pawn]

If you get enough white flashes the dark ones communicate with you on ostankino instead of silently chasing you and you can spare them

[charred nova]

i feel i looked into this a ton at some point and never found an alternative ending but maybe im having psychosis

[worldly ingot]

Best faction

[dusky pawn]

Also explore and in exodus and last light be stealthy (even if murderous) also some people like bandits or soldiers can be murdered en masse

[graceful dirge]

Think that Metro 4 will finally ADD LEANING? That & Artyom's insanely janky movement especially in Exodus really hurt the gunplay imo

[pulsar ermine]

Non dutyer problems

[dusky pawn]

Xd

[dusky pawn]

2033 and 2035 are peak
2034 is just filler

[worldly ingot]

My first time playing a metro game was last light when I was like 14 with the hardest (spartan) no hud mode and it was peak

[dusky pawn]

Also the books are about different things than games

Games are about survival thats the central theme

[worldly ingot]

STALKER doesn't even follow roadside picnic really either lol

[dusky pawn]

The books however are mostly about human nature, xenophobia and societal issues in the russian society also beliefs

[dusky pawn]

Well yeah obv roadside is about ALIENS

[tall hawk]

Metro 4 needs to be a Tarkov-style extraction shooter with hardcore survival elements and tacticool gun customization

[bitter plover]

description of teaser speaks about Metro in Moscow

[charred nova]

yah the books are more philosophical

[worldly ingot]

Ye but it's supposed to also be like semi inspired

[dusky pawn]

Basically how I felt reading that above

[charred nova]

talking about values of things like human life for example

and if the end of the world was what humanity deserved

[tall hawk]

don't forget the nine trillion reshade layers to make the game borderline greyscale

[dreamy forge]

Please.. They already think about making it multiplayer

[charred nova]

oh damn

i do hope they don't make it fully linear

[bitter plover]

imo it will be semi open world again

[dusky pawn]

Its likely not gonna be fully linear because its like 90% gonna be about artyom reclaiming the metro from.hanza

And I assume it.will be like far cry where you capture outposts

[charred nova]

like i want to be able to explore the whole metro

[bitter plover]

yeah.

[tall hawk]

man I dont want spoilers about metro 💔

I aint even really started last light man

[cyan sparrow]

btw we got RtV

https://discordapp.com/channels/504587323577729024/561153801114091521/1493270761605955624

[dusky pawn]

Its not really a spoiler
Hanza is just evil

[charred nova]

TBH that could be interesting

[charred nova]

tbf its not clear till exodus

in 2033 and last light they are only mildly evil

[tall hawk]

I played a bit of the demo, died, realized I forgor to save, and then I kinda quit lol

It's not a horrible game, might try it again sometime

[dreamy forge]

Open world metro where topside is extremely hostile and toxic and you can freely explore metro tunnels would be somewhat nice

[charred nova]

they help you out a lot in 2033 and last light

[dusky pawn]

Nah but its an obvious twist that the super mega powerful faction that holds a RING of stations controls the metro

[cyan sparrow]

It came out to EArly access now, and it's peaking peak good.

[charred nova]

well control no its clear they controlled it but

[dusky pawn]

Not really in 2033 you just pass through a hanza station and there is 0 interaction with hanza

[charred nova]

i guess they aren't trying to actively kill you like the other metro factions though

[dusky pawn]

In the books and 2033 it is explicitly stated they are the most powerful faction

[dusky pawn]

Yes hence why its a twist that they are also 'evil'

[charred nova]

tbf i read the books a while ago i'm probably forgetting

[bitter plover]

it should be like that. But leaks about canceled build said complete opposite. But that was scrapped, so who knows how it is now

[dreamy forge]

Hey im just happy its not on UE5

[dusky pawn]

I mean their whole thing is being a capitalist faction that controls most of trade and controls all the ring stations around metro forming a circle in the center that part is half symbolic for their control

[charred nova]

i really really hope they still let us fully explore the metro freely

[bitter plover]

Why. UE5 is completely fine. Especialy now on recent versions

[dusky pawn]

And since they control trade and are an association of stations their name is taken from the hanzeatic league

Or whatever the f its called in english

[bitter plover]

well. I hope that to, but of course, there will be some limitation bcs of gates, checkpoints and etc given by lore

[dusky pawn]

You will likely not see ALL of the metro because its too large and would be kinda boring

[charred nova]

true

[charred nova]

i doubt it would be boring imo

even in the books there are a ton of interesting stations talked about

[dreamy forge]

Eh I rather mess with proprietary engines and deal with its shenanigans then watch another carbon copy fps that runs like ass since devs like to take shortcuts

[charred nova]

that do not appear in the games

[dusky pawn]

30% of stations would be indistinguishable from the one artyom comes from just random.backwater villages with nothing interesting divided by samey tunnels

[dusky pawn]

I wouldnt say a ton the map glukhovsky included shows most stations are just normal people chilling

[bitter plover]

Thats just you assuming, that devs will automaticaly properly optimise their engine, bcs its proprietary and that they dont do that, when its not propriatery. Which is so binary and dumb

[dusky pawn]

Last light and 2033 already let u explore like 40% of this and also this is an outdated one

[charred nova]

i think there would be a lot of room to explore like the second metro is only vaguely explored in the games

[dusky pawn]

All of the red line for example would feel the same

[dreamy forge]

Atleast they can do something about their sloppiness when its their own engine compared to UE5 where they are stuck either updating the engine or hide in deafening silence

[dusky pawn]

Second metro will likely not be expanded because the game writers kinda ignored it in exodus

[charred nova]

tbf it gives it the oppertunity to explore it now

[dusky pawn]

In 2035 its basically like a wholeass secret ruling class living there controlling hanza

[bitter plover]

[dusky pawn]

While in exodus it seems like they just merged this with hanza

[charred nova]

well you barely even get to explore the metro in exodus

so realistically they still got plenty to explore in that regard

[karmic ice]

That's why I'm hoping the new metro game will show us something about Metro 2 and the Invisible Watchers

[dusky pawn]

Also metro 2 and hanza were a metaphor for the oligarchy (a shadow government) in russia and the game purposefully avoids the political aspects of books sooo

[marble gyro]

Metro exodus was like linear hub worlds, but it had enough exploration and story

[dusky pawn]

Also 4a seems limited in their dev powers

[charred nova]

well

they have had way more time

5 years

[dusky pawn]

(Because exodus was mega unfinished and not that large)

[charred nova]

to make a me metro game

realistically 7

maybe even 8

[dusky pawn]

Remember they worked on vr during that they werent just making this

[charred nova]

oh i thought someone else made that

[dusky pawn]

I assume it was atleast partially 4a writers at least

[dreamy forge]

VR was outsourced

[bitter plover]

wasnt that made by Vertigo?

[dusky pawn]

Anyway uhh dont expect too much from this lmao 4a is not a huge studio

[charred nova]

there wont be more books btw someone mentioned that

[dusky pawn]

I mean there will be because metro universe

Just not more from glukhovsky

[charred nova]

Dmitry Glukhovsky said he wont be writing anymore books

[dreamy forge]

I mean they got 150+ people + Embracer funding

[charred nova]

its why there is now the metro expanded universe

[dusky pawn]

Yes but if you arent aware glukhovsky lends his rights to any willing writer who fullfills his requirements

[charred nova]

except most of the expanded universe has never been translated

[marble gyro]

You mean fan fics?

[charred nova]

no

[dusky pawn]

Official fan fics

[charred nova]

there real books

[dusky pawn]

Here sin

Also atleast 30+ of the expanded universe books are translated its plenty of material

[charred nova]

oh fr

[dusky pawn]

Some are really good btw

Peter about petersburg was good from what I remember
There is also one about a vatican priest surviving the apocalypse

That was very uhh interesting

[charred nova]

i also hope we get to see america

assuming the canonical ending of sams story is sam goes to america we need to see sam go on another adventure

[dusky pawn]

In game nah in universe you probably have several books already

But honestly this universe is very ostensibly russian

[charred nova]

big surprise

the russian guy writes a book about russia

[dusky pawn]

Glukhovsky spent most of his life critiquing russia so go figure

[marble gyro]

Russian writes about Russia is wild work

[dusky pawn]

I mean he writes specifically about russian societal issues which isnt a given but yes go figure a russian writes about russia

[marble gyro]

As long as the story is good

That's all that matters to me

[dusky pawn]

And I just think this universe doesnt work as well anywhere else but you can do whatever with it ig

Since you know the metro is like some metaphysical punishment for the surviving russian people

[karmic ice]

Ok im not sure if you know about this but there is a book from Glukhovsky that takes place in America in the universe of Metro, it's called 'The Outpost'

[dusky pawn]

Locked eternally into mini russia but worse with demons torturing them

[dusky pawn]

Yeah told u someone already wrote this

[marble gyro]

Also it going to be about artyom still?

[dusky pawn]

The games ? We dont know but likely

[charred nova]

i think i heard about this

[marble gyro]

Damn, I thought his saga was finished already

[charred nova]

isn't it just a short story though

[bitter plover]

its not know. But i would assume, that yes. But i would like more new character

[dusky pawn]

In 2035 yes in exodus no

[bitter plover]

exactly

but the end way, that he wants to get back to metro to speak to ppl. Which can lead to this

[marble gyro]

Exodus was a conclusion tho, he escapes Russia by trian and lives with his wife Anya

Unless you get the other ending where he dies

[charred nova]

no.......

he literally says he wants to go back

[dusky pawn]

It was not conclusive because he has the means to return and to fight

And he is willing to

[marble gyro]

That's the radiation talking

[dusky pawn]

No lol he was deeply upset by the hanza secret lol everyone was also miller died because of believing that shit

[marble gyro]

Miller was a goat

[dusky pawn]

I could see him being a background leader not a protagonist tho

[charred nova]

miller gets both his legs blown off

and he just keeps going

a true legend

[marble gyro]

He still walks with the prosthetics, even tho they look like bent rebar

Bro is a tank

[dusky pawn]

Btw 2035 is way sadder than this in there no one believes him he almost dies everyone gaslights him and he a broken man and anya ride into the unknown alone the end

[marble gyro]

Like a Russian chuck Norris

[dusky pawn]

Miller and artyom are the most diff between books and games tbh

Miller is pathetic in 2035

[karmic ice]

Agreed

[charred nova]

well yah artyom is basically a pacifist

in the books

he is strongly against killing anyone

[dusky pawn]

While Artyom is just a kid crawling through shit (literally) in the books

[small quest]

First two games were peak. Dint like the unfocused third.

[dusky pawn]

Homer is pacifist artyom is just a normal dude who isnt some magical terminator also a moral person unlike most of metro

[small quest]

Loved them on ranger mode. Everything felt like survival and fighting tooth and nail.

[dusky pawn]

I would not call him pacifist he is just moral

While everyone around him is barely better than an animal

[charred nova]

from what i remember he tries to avoid resulting to violence until all other options are exhausted

[small quest]

At least we can all rejoice in Metro on the stalker discord

[dusky pawn]

Yes like a reasonable moral person

[charred nova]

i guess

[dusky pawn]

Remember that in the books he still nukes the dark ones despite kinda realising they are intelligent

[karmic ice]

The only thing I liked about Exodus was surprisingly the prologue the last chapter and two commanders dlc (they all took place in the metro lol)

[charred nova]

yah but he does it because he sees no other way

[small quest]

I wish the radiation in stalker acted a little like the surface in metro. Making a choice to survive areas in the hopes of more loot etc.

[dusky pawn]

And he has a monologue about this at the end where he agonises over it

[small quest]

Oh I never played them! I might have to go back!

[dusky pawn]

Meanwhile in the game he is like 'I am cool and uhh sad that the dark ones died but idc survival important!!!'

[charred nova]

he sees the dark ones as possibly the next eveolution of humans

[small quest]

I wonder what game we would have gotten if the team stayed together on metro & stalker.

[dusky pawn]

Yeah but a pacifist would just refuse to do that

[charred nova]

he decides to go through with it to save whats left of humanity

[carmine star]

Can't wait for metro. Scratch that stalker itch

[small quest]

GAMMA?

[dusky pawn]

Ohh yeah that payed off in the end

(It didnt pay off)

[karmic ice]

Metro Gamma

Unironically I kinda wanna try it lol

[charred nova]

It did he asserted his dominance over the invading force like a true member of the British empire

He colonized the dark ones

Artyom is secretly British

[visual mortar]

is this harbor freight i need me a hammer

[charred nova]

Yah we are hammering your balls

[karmic ice]

[dusky pawn]

The difference being the british were a great civilisation
Meanwhile the metro (russia metaphor)...well

[proven hollow]

metro 2039 before stalker 2 1.0?

[small quest]

100%

2.0 will release latest possible moment in summer. Bugs galore.

Waiting 6 months for a Hotfix. New engine cited as problematic.

Another 4-5 months for a proper fix whilst Metro releases a month before.

It’s GSC 101 move

[karmic ice]

Ok it's happening, official metro 2039 art just dropped

[carmine star]

Sept 22 last day of summer

[small quest]

23:59 release time.

[carmine star]

Generous

[river chasm]

bold to assume metro will be out anytime soon if they are only just announcing it

id guess later next year

[still edge]

Andrew Prokhorov is still the creative director of metro 2039 , count me in , im hyped now

[small quest]

Not saying soon. Opposite in fact. Just that it will be quicker than stalker 2 1.0 😂

[still edge]

some devs like capcom are using the new tactic of release, announce the game few months before release

[river chasm]

I wish everyone did that...

1 year out tops really

[still edge]

the problem of anouncing a game during pre-production is the gaming taking 2-3 years to release and then the difference between the hype reveal and release is too wide , hype dies before release

its much better to make the reveal and release as short as possible , the only problem is leaks

[visual mortar]

i agre with this

but sometimes people are just too excited to talk about what they're doing and also need publicity to fund the project

[still edge]

only exceptions are games that have way too much renown like from soft games or rockstar studios games

they can do what ever they want, people will still buy their masterpieces

[river chasm]

Sometimes it's a tactic to attract talent if you are hiring up for production too

[visual mortar]

yeah that too

talent acquisition

[still edge]

i think talent is out there at all times , there is never scarcity of talent

[visual mortar]

does he know

[still edge]

i would say there are more free lance talent out there , than hired talent

[visual mortar]

digital arts industry is extremely oversaturated

yeah i wonder why

[visual mortar]

yeah i wonder why

[fast temple]

AI is better anyway

[visual mortar]

speaking of talent, who got the junior sysadmin position at gsc

[still edge]

talented people who dont know to promote themselves, most creative people are more interested in doing art than having the skill to promote themselves

[visual mortar]

i saw that job listing

[visual mortar]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFoG0xQakAcpvYj.webp

[carmine star]

Lmfao

[fresh cloud]

yeah 2039 is actually gonna have A-Life 3.0

[carmine star]

Who needs update when gas mask video is all we need

[still edge]

before ai there was also a lot of unhired talent, at least in the 3d rendering niche i dont think ai can do any damage to it

[fast temple]

A-Life is lost media. Like the moon "landing"

[north hatch]

Is the economy still that bad that we cant upgrade any armor until the 3rd act?

[fierce nexus]

Anyway, Metro 2039, woot

[solar lotus]

[ember cradle]

Got bored so I’m playing SoC again with a spawn menu

[still edge]

why not play SoC in radiophobia 3 mod , its astonishing

[tepid dew]

i came to ask when the stalker 2 reprint bundle gets shipped out in the US

[ember cradle]

At some point but I want a power fantasy right now

[oblique igloo]

Hype for reveal its time for metro 2039

[fierce nexus]

My bf is gonna be excited, he loves Metro

[still edge]

that mod is like a true remake , so many effing features, everything is top tier , top tier alife, content, graphics, npc variety, etc

[tepid dew]

anyone?

[fierce nexus]

Should've been in February

Maybe mid March at the latest

[tepid dew]

damn, well i had a friend buy it for me an it never came, an it was also outside of the refund policy so he couldnt have refunded it either

[fierce nexus]

Hmm

[tepid dew]

but sometimes ik the mail here gets mixed up with the second location our address is linked to

[fierce nexus]

Maybe check the other location

[tepid dew]

i really hope they just deceided to keep it, am i able to put a ticket in or something?

an mi not able to go at the moment unfortunately

[oblique igloo]

It's a new stori line or continuate da metro exodus mha

[fierce nexus]

Don't know yet, they're revealing it in a couple of days

[tepid dew]

oh well, thank you for letting me know

[fierce nexus]

[tall hawk]

when do we think metro 2039 is releasing? 2028?

[steep bloom]

Guys i have many questions and stalker ain't answering neither of em (I mean mostly) I got a weird trophy and for a sec I thought I finished the game or something like that

-# Just to find out I'm just halfway through

[river chasm]

right in the name it will be 2039 obv

For serious, though, 2027 seems likely to me

[visual mortar]

https://web.archive.org/web/20091023043334im_/http://www.geocities.com/zxzag/anm_troll.gif

[still edge]

at some point the years of release of metro is going to match the title of the metro

metro 2041 releasing in 2041

[serene barn]

i hope we'll soon hear about the next game

[visual mortar]

or they could just stop making metro before it gets out of hand

2039 seems far enough

[serene barn]

it's super annoying seeing clickbait channels like MathChief talk about things that are already known but stretching it to be long enough that he'll get paid for the video.

[still edge]

i hope that too , games that go too long with the sequels eventually they become something that wasnt meant to be in the first place

[tall hawk]

when u and bro start exploring after the nuclear apocalypse thinkin u boutta be on some Fallout stuff but then a Demon GENUINELY picks bro up and flies away with him and u realize there are actual levels to this

[steep bloom]

I just got a trophy called || Monolith Envoy || description ain't telling me anything more idk if its something that could change the ending or not could someone explain whitout spoilers??

[tall hawk]

Metro 2077

[still edge]

unless if its stalker game, stalker games can go forever , its a like sort of home

[tall hawk]

after certain S2 ending I think it might actually be wraps for the world tho

[visual mortar]

25

[still edge]

havent finish the game yet, just played the first couple of hours

[visual mortar]

25

[still edge]

cant wait for stalker 2 to leave early access and go to full release

[tall hawk]

ya might wanna go to #⭐┃nospoilers_general brosquito

I aint gonna spoil it without tags but someone else prolly will

[cyan sparrow]

o, metro announcement on upcoming Thursday?

[tall hawk]

yes this Thursday

reminding me to finally finish LL and Exodus

[ember cradle]

I remember when I played metro

[cyan sparrow]

So there is a chance that I will play next metro in my life

[tall hawk]

my laptop can "technically" play LL but not at 60FPS at any reasonable settings

[visual mortar]

i gotta play the vr one

[tall hawk]

I wanna put some respect on that game

[visual mortar]

dude its over ten years old

[cyan sparrow]

vr is most gimmick tech ever.

[tall hawk]

I wish I wasn't poor so I could play it 💔

[tall hawk]

my laptop dont even got a discrete GPU twin

[still edge]

that is something someone who doesnt own VR would say

[visual mortar]

me when im frothing at the mouth because i lack brain function to control my jaw muscles and i have a deformed elbow

[small quest]

Alyx is amazing.

Everything else is a bad arcade experience

[frigid hill]

ospholis has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[tall hawk]

falsenuke

[visual mortar]

"vr is bad"

1 - "its a gimmick"
2 - "there's no good games"

[tall hawk]

I bet he doesn't even own an air frier. How primitive.

[visual mortar]

can you guys come up with something else for once

[still edge]

i played some some wack ass fps game in the vr headset of my friend and it was breathtaking i could go for hours playing that damn thing, i couldnt believe the experience

[cyan sparrow]

Yes

[visual mortar]

the statistical average mind

[tall hawk]

tbh I do kinda wish there were more unique VR games. Boneworks, HL Alyx, and Metro Awakening all look super cool, but idk any others. That's mostly just on my for not knowing the space, but if that new Steam Frame is cheap enough I might pick it up

[ember cradle]

Simply taking my vengeance against the military under the bridge

[visual mortar]

god the steam frame is gonna rock

standalone pc headset with native steamvr, with wireless capabilities through a dedicated dongle, plus foveated rendering

umhnm gem alarm

[still edge]

steam frame recalculates the pixel density based on where you are looking at, improving the performance immensely

[visual mortar]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HFoG0xQakAcpvYj.webp

[tall hawk]

"native steamvr" but how powerful will it really be is the question

[still edge]

that technology along separates the other vr headsets to the steam frame completely

[visual mortar]

as or more powerful than the quest3

[tall hawk]

oh alright nice

[cyan sparrow]

For real guys, I did try VR, even on special event in Warszaw, and trully me think it's overhyped pieace of tech - gimmick .

[visual mortar]

but native steamvr is immediately a selling point

i hate meta's goofy ass software

[smoky hawk]

these are all true
to be fair

[still edge]

even if the steam frame has the same power as other vr set , the pixel density technology makes it probably 2x or 3x faster and fluid than other vr sets

[visual mortar]

vasim rolling up with the dogshit opinions

[tall hawk]

"special event" VR is always a gimmick, you need to look at actual VR games

[smoky hawk]

I can say Boneworks is a good game but it is still inferior to playing a good game without VR purely due to all of the prerequesites you need to clear to play Boneworks

Boneworks is the game that makes the most use of the VRs capabilities

despite being old

Bonelabs sucks dont mention it

[visual mortar]

people act like Boneworks is the VR game that defines it. its good but its extremely janky. its honestly not that good imo

[tall hawk]

a Halo VR game would be peak

[cyan sparrow]

I'm personally not sold on it, and there isn't a game that would lock me on. My expectations from a headset are different than delivered.

[visual mortar]

Alyx is the definitive vr experience

[smoky hawk]

Alyx is slop

alyx couldve been a 2d game at no detriment to itself

[visual mortar]

you genuinely are unable to think

[smoky hawk]

alyx is literally the example I pull up when I talk about a VR game using VR for no reason than a gimmick

[tall hawk]

holy reddit take

[visual mortar]

how, are you low functioning perhaps

[tall hawk]

nah we should get STALKER and Cyberpunk VR as well

[visual mortar]

"hehe i LOVE being a contrarian! i am so smart and freethinking"

sorry dude that i have FUN with a polished vr experience that utilizes all of the technology

[smoky hawk]

all of it's puzzles are completely babyfied to the point it being in VR does not enchance the game in any way shape or form, and the combat is laughable and can be a 1:1 to a 2d game without removing anything important from it
you cant say the same about Boneworks, its a janky mess but its still the best at using a full body function to put the player in a full enviroment and then trying to fully immerse that player in said enviroment

shame Bonelabs defaulted to Gmod without a good SDK so its now abandoned

[visual mortar]

ehh not everything needs a vr game

[smoky hawk]

I guess the only other good game aside from it is, that one The Walking Dead game

Paradox of Hope had a good start but its been since DMCA'd

[visual mortar]

god dude you have the most reddit takes ever. the walking dead game isn't really that great

[tall hawk]

I think problem with VR is the fact that too few VR games really use it to it's full potential, big companies are too scared to do that. So most we do get are gimmick slop instead of truly impactful VR experiences

[cyan sparrow]

I need pain get me Souls-like with physical feeling of the failure

[smoky hawk]

it does tons more than Alyx

[visual mortar]

turned into Convrgence

[visual mortar]

it really doesn't

[smoky hawk]

yhea, I havent played it since, bc it isnt Paradox of Hope anymore

[visual mortar]

its a clunky mess

[tall hawk]

like why hasnt someone tried to make a full VR-exclusive open world RPG? (no Skyrim and FO4 dont count)

[smoky hawk]

does a games merit only ammount to the quantity of edges that have been sanded from it?

[visual mortar]

yeah?

does a sanded and polished table look better than a hunk of wood?

stupid fucking comment

[smoky hawk]

massive commitment + the tech is still bery unoptimized + player commitment to playing such an experience is too low (many people lack vr legs, dont care for VR or can only play VR for short bursts of time as opposed to a more comfortable position like couch or chair)

[smoky hawk]

youre the guy literally parading ikea furniture as the height of VR Gaming

[visual mortar]

whatever that means

[smoky hawk]

youre the reason why the world is filled with cheap, shallow, short story slop that has more eye candy than depth

the reason why we dont get more sandboxes like Boneworks is becuase people like you piss on the concept of depth and prefer the shallowness of Alyx, it seems that the theme of people prefering eye candy to an actually good game will continue into the future

[visual mortar]

you are genuinely just a miserable contrarian

[smoky hawk]

which is why VR Gaming sucks

[dreamy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/lost-lost-tv-show-lost-locke-lost-john-locke-john-locke-gif-17241858

[visual mortar]

whatever vasim you be nitpicky

[smoky hawk]

whatever you say IKEA guy

[visual mortar]

what does that even MEAN

you have really specific takes that are contrarian and you expect it to be fact

[vapid galleon]

. . .

[visual mortar]

dude you jsut got dogshit takes

[bitter plover]

depends. Its absolute best way to experience sim racing and fly sims. Nothing compares to it. Some games also utilise it very well and it couldnt be on that level in 2d. But for others, so most of time, its gimmick

[magic escarp]

Sup y’all

[visual mortar]

also dude majority of vr games are sandboxes, its a problem and there needs to be more linear story ones

[smoky hawk]

slop eater

[visual mortar]

me when im unable to look beyond two games and what a commentary YouTuber says

i am a slop eater because i dont play boring ass sandbox games with no depth or story

[smoky hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/risitas-yes-giggle-gif-13898844

[visual mortar]

sorry sorry soul you are

[magic escarp]

I mean, sandbox games are cool — I got about 200ish hours on Garry’s Mod across years

[karmic ice]

You two can get a room or something

[visual mortar]

fair but you cant say that its comparable to a story game and "better"

[dreamy dagger]

Throw them a condom as well. SAFETY FIRST!

[tall hawk]

I guess that's sorta my point, VR is failing to establish the two-sided market that the entire gaming industry is built upon, people are cautious of buying hardware because of lack of games, and companies don't want to make games because there aren't enough consumers in the space

[magic escarp]

Agreed — I love story games too. That’s why I’ve been playing STALKER 2 and Crimson Desert

[smoky hawk]

you want to argue VR Games aren't gimmicks but you also want VR games to be copy paste short clones of each other that focus on eye candy

[visual mortar]

that is quite literally not at all what was said at all

[smoky hawk]

if the game Im playing in VR would be the exact same without VR, its a gimmick

[visual mortar]

are you schizophrenic?

[smoky hawk]

you're the one accusing me of being a ytbers mouthpiece here

[tall hawk]

does Hitman have a good VR mode?

[visual mortar]

are you not

[smoky hawk]

no, its a gimmick

[karmic ice]

I'm actually enjoying these 2 lmao

[visual mortar]

hitman vr is genuinely a gimmick yeah

it barely works

[smoky hawk]

no, I dont watch videos about vr

my opinions about VR come from my expeirence first hand with it

[vapid galleon]

VR

[visual mortar]

okay but this statement excludes like 95% of vr games

[smoky hawk]

how so

[tall hawk]

that's a good metric to use ngl

[visual mortar]

they are alld designed with vr in mind lmao

[cyan sparrow]

Wait the latter one is not for the story.

[visual mortar]

there are definitely some that don't need to be

[bitter plover]

No. What you are talking about is foveated rendering, which is already in tons of VR. Steam Frame does that purely for streaming/compression, not for rendering. It calculates where you are looking at and focus on doing lower compression there, compared to rest of image. Its simmilar to foveated rendering, but in terms of streaming.

[frigid hill]

dylandoesdumb has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[magic escarp]

Whoops, my bad — I slipped

Anyway, the Crimson Desert story is aight, but the gameplay is absolutely phenomenal

[visual mortar]

woah dude not cool...

[smoky hawk]

we can take Alyx, as an example, I could grab alyx, and put it in 2d, and nothing would be lost, becuase at it's core, alyx does not need VR, at it's core, it plays like a normal game, most of these new VR games, do the same, you can't say this about Boneworks, at it's core it uses full body simulated tracking and puzzles that require a VR to some point, it is a game that is enchanced by being VR, Alyx isnt

Alyx is the babys first step into get VRLegs

it is, shallow depth for the same of not rocking the boat

[bitter plover]

not entirely. SteamVR is ass compared to OpenVR, OpenXR and other, bcs they have much higher streaming rate. SteamVR is limited a lot RN and its not used a lot. Do it depends, if it will be improved. Bcs you lose a tons of quality of image in SteamVR

[visual mortar]

have you genuinely ever played alyx? the entire game is designed around vr it would be so dry as 2d

[visual mortar]

thats a terrible take

[magic escarp]

I’m pretty certain we’re never getting Half Life 3, we’d have all those starving kids in Africa fed before then

[smoky hawk]

yes, I have, just because the renderer is in VR doesnt mean the game takes advantage of it being VR, you can say the same about Metro VR or Thief VR

[visual mortar]

this is just genuinely wrong you're fucking baiting

[tall hawk]

alr im just wondering bc u seem to be knowledgable about VR, what are some actual good VR games (other than HL Alyx, Sword and Sorcery, Metro, and Boneworks)

[bitter plover]

thats truth and anyone trying to maximise quality of image and have much better streaming rate will agree. Most of ppl rly trying to get the best dont use SteamVR at all

[tall hawk]

I just wanna know what to add to the list

[smoky hawk]

this is the majority of VR games, either that, or games that use VR purely as a means of moving using it for physical combat

[cyan sparrow]

Wait all that fuss about me writing VR is a gimmick... oh sryy

[bitter plover]

which is why most ppl use things like Virtual Desktop and etc and not Steam VR

[cyan sparrow]

[visual mortar]

this is 100% untrue. steam VR has great quality improvements over other wireless streaming and other platforms

[dreamy dagger]

Yall get a room

[karmic ice]

[visual mortar]

most people use steamvr

[dreamy dagger]

Yall get a VRChat room

[visual mortar]

virtual desktop is a desktop mirroring software?

[bitter plover]

It has lower bit rate. Which is just bad. It has maybe good UI and usage, but bit rate is the king for quality of image and good FPS/HZ

[dreamy dagger]

Yall get a Fornite lobby

[tall hawk]

VRchat more like FREAKYchat 👅

[bitter plover]

its app for VR streaming for PC

[karmic ice]

[magic escarp]

Holy crap, I forgot I haven’t logged into VRChat in almost a decade

[charred nova]

The monolith and bandits will finally be able to role play

[smoky hawk]

The truth of the matter is there is only really 2 types of VR games and the heavy majority of them are literal gimmicks that would lost nothing over them being not in VR
Alyx, Metro VR, Thief VR, the only reason you play these is because well, they are in VR
games like Blade and Sorcery fully utilize VR to it's fullest extent but you already said you hate sandboxes

[dreamy dagger]

Yall get Grindr or whatever it was called

[tall hawk]

Ready Player One really set our expectations for VR super high lmao

[magic escarp]

I’ll grind on you

[tall hawk]

fantastic film btw

[vapid galleon]

sir yes sir

[smoky hawk]

I really dont think this is a contrarian take, its the most basic apple sauce take I have in my repetoire

[dreamy dagger]

Yall get private under that staircase at the ruined building in the Garbage!

https://tenor.com/view/sidorovich-laughing-sidorovich-stalker-gsc-game-world-gsc-gif-10511308776135339550

[tall hawk]

But I already booked that spot!

[charred nova]

I mean to a degree he has a point

[vapid galleon]

Metro reveal in 16 April???

[charred nova]

You’d think if vr offered so much more potential it would be a much larger thing

[dreamy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/agathascoven-kathryn-hahn-mrs-fletcher-eve-fletcher-gif-21217440

[visual mortar]

you never played it

[dreamy dagger]

Metro 2039 before S2 MP

DED GAMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[charred nova]

Yah but I’ve seen it and while it is cool

[bitter plover]

Thats true. But it offers enough for simulator players, which is why majority of ppl using it for games are from that part of gaming

[smoky hawk]

even if VR offered much more it wouldnt for the pure simple fact that it has inherent physical barriers to it's adoption that far outstep a simple K&M with a Monitor setup

also

[visual mortar]

you can't get the experience from seeing it

[tall hawk]

GSC has FORGOTTEN about STALKER

[magic escarp]

I wonder how far along they are with the multiplayer for Stalker 2…

[charred nova]

Most of the time I don’t feel like it’s a situation where this game couldn’t be played if it wasn’t vr

[visual mortar]

its genuinely something you have to try

[smoky hawk]

I feel like a Monitor is a lot more comfortable thana LED Screen that is strapped to my face

[karmic ice]

An official screenshot is available too

[smoky hawk]

that is my preference

[bronze holly]

Hi all. Patch when?

[smoky hawk]

I dont need everything to be VR, nor do I want it

[vapid galleon]

🤙 🔥

[magic escarp]

Soon™️

[visual mortar]

that is fair but it also doesn't make the games bad because you are personally uncomfortable

[small quest]

Just throw a dart at a calendar

[bitter plover]

physical barriers, budget barriers, not enough good games and etc. It has a lot to overcome.

[visual mortar]

[shell flax]

The strap is gonna make you sweat your ass off in that spot too

[tall hawk]

[charred nova]

The full immersion point if you wanna call it is still several 1000 dollars

[tall hawk]

dawg how fat are u that the strap makin u sweat 😭

[visual mortar]

it is not even remotely close to that expensive

[bronze holly]

Ok call me when patch is live ok

[dreamy dagger]

Okay. Enough sex talk here. Move your strapons to a different channel.

[charred nova]

Key word full immersion

[bitter plover]

you can buy Meta QUest 3 for much cheaper and fully enjoy sim racing tho

[smoky hawk]

no but it works into the physical barriers, even the lightest headsets are still by their bare definition uncomfortable to use and due to the nature of it being a VR game it means you will get physically tired of a game which will necessitate an actual break from it, as opposed to a normal game wehre you can power thru boredom

[visual mortar]

yeah you could spend $10000 on unnecessary hardware that doesn't get you much more

[charred nova]

When you can get a real Omni directional treadmill for 1000 dollars let me know

[visual mortar]

it doesn't bother me

[smoky hawk]

this, of course, when talking about True VR games like B&S, not Alyx and the like

[visual mortar]

sorry you're just a weaker soul

[smoky hawk]

I can do pretty long play sessions on a Headset but the usual for normal people is to step every 2-3 hours, which is completely different from a Monitor where people go on for days

especially because, the monitor isnt going to inherently weight on you

[visual mortar]

alright, so? that's a given

[smoky hawk]

yhea, and thats a barrier to it's widespread adotpion

[visual mortar]

i can't play VR for more than a couple hours

but it's fun

idk it's pretty fucking massive with standalone headsets being released

[bitter plover]

Lone Echo is great pure VR game with story

[visual mortar]

its gotten pretty widespread adoption

[charred nova]

The issue is system seller game

[visual mortar]

Jack haven't played it

[smoky hawk]

if its only available on the meta store I doubt that

[charred nova]

The vr platform doesn’t have many games like half life alyx

[visual mortar]

you can't really explain how it fails if you never tried it

[bitter plover]

bcs its their game. BUt its considered one of the best VR games out there

[small quest]

Shall we say it’s personal preference and be quiet?

[visual mortar]

oh my GODD

just LOOK at the games list

[smoky hawk]

games like it swamp the platform actually

[visual mortar]

you must be fucking grinning with this bait

[tall hawk]

No. Any opinion other than mine is objectively incorrect.

[charred nova]

I mean I guess you could say alyx is more of a tech demo

[small quest]

Let’s get back to arguing about the Alife promises in stalker 2 vs the OG trilogy.

[smoky hawk]

its my genuine opinion

[visual mortar]

dude what

genuinely what are you talking

about

[tall hawk]

vr argument vs a life argument

moloch vs baal

[small quest]

GAMMA vs Stalker

[charred nova]

They made it as a show case of vr tech and the valve index

[visual mortar]

god fucking Boneworks is more of a tech demo

[bitter plover]

that could be said then about any Half Life games, which is dumb

[tall hawk]

notice how he positions gamma and stalker as being mutally exclusive?

[visual mortar]

to be fair valve only releases games for the advancement of technology

but it doesn't make them tech demos

[river chasm]

VR is cool it's just inherently somewhat limited in terms of access

[visual mortar]

they are complete experiences that utilize all of the relevant technology

[charred nova]

Kinda I guess

[smoky hawk]

not wrong, but Alyx is supposed to be the first game a person plays on VR to get them accostumed to it, most people get very disorientated with VR at first and cannot take full experiences so Alyx has a lot of cuts on itself to accomodate the lower play ceiling

[tall hawk]

can a gammababy join the server and start whining so we can clown on them instead of arguing with each other?

[bitter plover]

this is true

[visual mortar]

okay you said it doesn't use any vr tech well but also said its designed to introduce the technology

the game is designed as a definitive vr experience for first time and veteran players

[bitter plover]

Guys. Lets stop and all agree, that the ultimate advantage of VR is that you can actuall see and feel the depth and not 2d image and as anything else, it was made for porn

[smoky hawk]

what I said is it wasnt designed to fully utilize the VR tech, because it is made to accomodate people who dont play VR games, and therefore it plays like a 2D game that was ported to VR rather than a VR game that fully utilizes its medium, yes

[small quest]

Oh resident evil 2 vr mod is also good!

[smoky hawk]

that is my opinion

[visual mortar]

if it didn't do that then you would be correct in that it doesn't use tech well

[visual mortar]

it is inherently fully utilizing it if its designed to introduce the technology

[small quest]

Only if the porn is 3D not pancake.

[charred nova]

My cat girl dating simulator wouldn’t be the same with out vr

[visual mortar]

you are genuinely baiting

[small quest]

Which is questionable.

SnorkVR

[smoky hawk]

if your only argument for what makes a VR game fully utilize its medium is that it incorporates a VR Renderer then I can only say you would enjoy the sloppiest slops that has ever been served to you purely because its something new

[small quest]

A-Wife 2.0

[visual mortar]

when the fuck did i say that

[smoky hawk]

Alyx is inherently fully utilizing the VR Medium

[visual mortar]

vasim you are so genuinely difficult to talk to because I can't tell if you're baiting, and when you aren't youale shit up

[smoky hawk]

I am not

what I have been saying is all my genuine opinions

[ember cradle]

I have a meta quest 2 and I usually played blade and sorcery, and saints and sinners

[smoky hawk]

I think you are just easely amused

[visual mortar]

and that somehow means that it being vr is just for the sake of it

you unironically use "slop" i can't really take your opinions seriously

[charred nova]

He’s never baiting when he’s talking about stuff like this

[tall hawk]

how about saying "tarkovslop" to describe anomaly and gamma?

[main jewel]

milslop is a better name

[visual mortar]

[fresh cloud]

[main jewel]

tampico i think your losing this

[charred nova]

Mil sim slop

[visual mortar]

what

theres not fucking winning

its just opinions

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/nokotan-plush-plushie-plushies-boom-gif-247205074479300967

[main jewel]

im just trolling twig

[smoky hawk]

like I have been saying for the past 45 minutes, the way Alyx was designed does not fully utilize VR as a medium, it's puzzles are basic, it's just repeats from HL2 puzzles and it's shooting mechanics aren't enhanced by it being VR, and the game has been optimized to be playing sitting down which inutilizes the space component of VR making it, essentially a 2D game that uses the VR Renderer, the game was made to cause as little friction to an audeince that does not know what a VR game is and thus it cannot use the medium fully

[small quest]

Oh I wonder if two people will back down, over the internet, to reach a happy medium.

[ember cradle]

Walking around early game with exo and vintar

[visual mortar]

i just can't fathom how you come to that conclusion when every puzzle exists around the vr interactions with your hands. including shooting where the reloading is manual. if it had no vr interactions it would be an extremely boring half life clone

genuinely dont understand why you think that

[fresh cloud]

... have you ever played Half Life Alyx?

[main jewel]

shh theres a heated battle going on…….

[visual mortar]

apparently he has

[smoky hawk]

the simplicity of the puzzles can be subsituted by how HL2 does it, where you can hold a object, it does not necessitate VR to do this, and thus, its not using the Medium to its fullest extent no

[charred nova]

I should put the grill on

[smoky hawk]

yes, it was very dull and boring

[bitter plover]

well, it doesnt have to to be fair

[main jewel]

put on some sausage

[fresh cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/this-might-be-the-worst-video-of-all-time-worst-message-worst-ever-leave-the-server-worst-gif-16690123984473040756

[visual mortar]

like for example, the whole Jeff encounter where you literally use your hand to prevent yourself from making noise and do things like reach around him and throw things

[charred nova]

Will do

[visual mortar]

if that was 2d it would be a cakewalk

[fresh cloud]

i forgot i dont have embeds yet

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/flipping-the-sausages-daniel-hernandez-a-knead-to-bake-flipping-the-meat-grilling-gif-5960064021059764155

[smoky hawk]

I dont care for Half Lifes world and therefore I dont really care for Alyx, I believe Alyx was made for the HL fan who likes to see the world, but I have no use for that, and thus dont care

[fresh cloud]

life ruined

[visual mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/this-might-be-the-worst-video-of-all-time-worst-message-worst-ever-leave-the-server-worst-gif-16690123984473040756

[visual mortar]

DUDE. if you don't care for Half Life then you inherently wouldn't enjoy Alyx. this is genuinely you calling something slop just because you dont have an interest in it

[smoky hawk]

this makes Alyx stand solely on what it is as a gameplay experience which is lacking for all the reasons I just said

[visual mortar]

I suppose that sums that up

[fresh cloud]

Actually the worst opinion I've ever read here

[visual mortar]

you don't like it because you don't like half life

its not because its not using the vr tech

its because you just don't care for it

[smoky hawk]

if the only thing stopping you from calling the game mid or boring is the universe its set in then I want to float you the idea, it might be not as great as you think

[visual mortar]

its literally your own opinion

[visual mortar]

that literally goes for literally any game then

[smoky hawk]

I dont care for Half Life, wether it is Half Life or not does not move the needle, I think I have gone thru much to explain why I think its lacking

[visual mortar]

some fail with the universe some succeed and you can clearly see good and bad because of that

[visual mortar]

but you contradicted yourself and i told you how its just an incorrect claim

[smoky hawk]

where

[visual mortar]

its literally just your own personal preferences

[smoky hawk]

yhea, its called an opinion, your opinion is that it fully utilizes the medium, and I disagree with this

[visual mortar]

you said that its designed for first time vr as an introduction, but also said it doesn't utilize the technology and could just be a 2d game. this is just a contradiction

[visual mortar]

no you have that opinion and thats okay, but its literally just wrong that it doesn't utilize the medium

its entirely existence is on that

[small quest]

https://tenor.com/view/sleepy-sleep-nap-nap-time-boring-gif-4004223879474793826

[shell flax]

what the fuck is happening

[charred nova]

POV my opinion is different from yours

[small quest]

Gamma again.

[bitter plover]

nothing bro

[visual mortar]

no dude, its him just not finding interest in it, but also saying it doesn't have certain features

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-youropinionvsmyopinion-gigachadopinion-gigachad-gif-18055792891294678978

[bold smelt]

Is vasim saying a game is bad because he doesnt like it again

[visual mortar]

yes.

[charred nova]

I’m gonna post the photo of the hole in my thumb if y’all don’t kiss and make up

[visual mortar]

its genuinely like saying that Left 4 Dead for example isn't enjoyable because its repetitive. but also saying that it doesn't have an advanced enemy spawning system that is dynamic. its just wrong

[smoky hawk]

yes, these 2 synergise
the people that need a smoothing into the genre cannot take a game that fully utilizes the medium, because, inherently, many of these people lack the actual physical traits to play that medium, when I say this I mean VRLegs and the resistance to dishorientation, they need a game that DOES NOT fully utilize the medium BECAUSE they cannot play one that does so
therefore, how Alyx is designed, is to deliver a 2d experience, in a 3d renderer, basically just that, it is to deliver the smoothest experience to a person that doesnt understand the medium and for that it cuts itself from fully utilize the medium to accomodate those that dont have a good grasp in it

[bold smelt]

So you dont care about the narrative in a narrative led game?

[bitter plover]

Always

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/ethan-write-14-anger-angry-gif-6309670105397957152

[smoky hawk]

my argument is not wether or not I like Alyx but that Alyx does not use the VR Medium to it's fullest extent when it's peers that were releasing at the same as it did a much better job at it

[visual mortar]

but this literally means its utilizing the technology well if its introducing beginners. if it wasn't it would be way too jarring. its specifically designed to play a certain way

you have to fully understand something to be able to dumb it down

it does that well

and it is enjoyable by veterans for that

[bold smelt]

So you are judging a game that is half-if-not-mostly based on its narrative for reasons that lie beyond the narrative

Honestly who cares if a game is using something to its "fullest potential" the point is to be fun and playable, not to be a tech demo

[bitter plover]

that i agree

[smoky hawk]

It doesnt, objectively no, lets compare 2 games using the technology, one of the interesting bits VR lets you do is do things without having to look at them, Alyx does not incorporate this level of interection into it, every single puzzle in Alyx could be accomplished with no alternation in a 2d game wehre it doesnt have VR
same can be said about its shooting mechanics, VR doesnt utilize body based weapon placements, the reason for this is that this is smoother for a person that isnt accostumed to VR but all the same, it means its not fully utilizing the mean that it could

the point isnt, Alyx uses a Renderer therefore it uses the technology to its fully extent, it is the game wasnt designed to use the medium to its fullest extent

[small quest]

God damn this is boring.

[charred nova]

We are going in circles

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cute-happy-gif-5670288

[small quest]

Please don’t respond to him.

[ember cradle]

Yeah it’s losing its lustre

[small quest]

Just dm him. 😂

[ember cradle]

Talking about vr and half-life Alex in stalker general

[shell flax]

Ramirez, A-10 the Slag Heap

[charred nova]

Nothing stalker 2 to talk about

Devs are busy in the coal mines

[smoky hawk]

I think that, a game using VR to it's full potential really differentiates it from being just a game that could be played on a screen without losing any important experience, and makes it special for that reason, and fully encapsulates why games in VR are interesting and can be that bit more than normal 2d games
I would want more games in VR to fully utilize this aspect for this reason

[ember cradle]

What about the earlier games?

I’m replaying SoC and it’s just as good as I remember

[worldly ingot]

Well nothing was really fixed so yeah that's definitely optimal unless you wanna grind a TON

[small quest]

Politics?

[charred nova]

Stalker 2 is coal

[smoky hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/3fs-granny-face-gif-13115252770304896737

[ember cradle]

NOOOO

[worldly ingot]

Your best way to grind money is doing the "Stories Untold" side quest chain, getting their base, and then farming a nearby hornhead site and then to a 2nd site close by and clearing the bayuns, repeat that into free 200k coupons minus the repair costs

[charred nova]

I got my micro edc socket Case

Very hype

Leatherman arc for scale

[shell flax]

Sentenced to five days of Gunslinger with no rest

[ember cradle]

Wait metro 2039 is real and not a joke?

[small quest]

Leathermen are total garbage and do not fully utilise the folding knife. They are just a tech demo of knifes.

[charred nova]

Yup

It’s real

April fools

Can you believe this clown

Really thought metro 2039 was real

[ember cradle]

Fine I’ll just wait for stalker 3 call of the shadow of Chernobyl

[charred nova]

Call of chudnobyl

[ember cradle]

The zone is barren because it’s all been looted

[magic escarp]

Curious question for y’all: I’m gonna be getting myself back in better physical shape so I can begin wrasslin’ again (WWE type stuff). If the gimmick I had in mind doesn’t work out, which of these STALKER-inspired gimmick names sound good to y’all?

“The Shadow of Chornobyl”

“The Ghost of Chornobyl” (to avoid issues with the beautiful people at GSC Games World for the prior name)

Or…

“The Nuclear Option”

[small quest]

Just SID

[vagrant hamlet]

Metro 2039 as been announced

[ember cradle]

I thought it was a joke at first

[boreal holly]

Hey do you have some pro tips for noobs in soc

[charred nova]

Wrong

Such a dog shit take good god

[ember cradle]

Scavenge

Try to go for headshots too

Only take what you need

[south parcel]

Kill anyone who looks at you funny

[ember cradle]

Also kill strelok

[south parcel]

Find the doc

[still edge]

when you wake up in the morning and your cellphone says "kill strelok"

[small quest]

🎣

It was an exact replica of the VR chat

[charred nova]

Fair game

You made me realize my t30 bit fell out of my holster

And I can’t find it anyway

[marble gyro]

It will eventually pop up where you least expect it

Hopefully, in your room

[charred nova]

Nah I already tore my room apart

I think I lost it in a parking lot

[marble gyro]

Ahh that's a bummer

[charred nova]

Is annoying but this is why I’m changing my bit holster to a different style

[marble gyro]

Luck would have it, it would be in your car then

[charred nova]

Check there already

[marble gyro]

Under the seats, in between the seats?

[charred nova]

Nah

[marble gyro]

Damn

[charred nova]

I knew it was bound to happen eventually

The style of bit carrier I’ve been using is just kinda shit

The tips of the bits are exposed leading them to be easily caught on things often with out you noticing

[marble gyro]

And you lost a T50 bit socket?

Those are like $5 at the local home depot usually

[charred nova]

They are a special leatherman flat bit

[marble gyro]

Ahh

[charred nova]

I’ve been exploiting the fuck out of there good will recently so I’m not trying to push my luck

[marble gyro]

Do you have a bass pro shop or scheels nearby?

Usually they have some leatherman stuff there

And a bootbarn

[charred nova]

Nah

I don’t

I’m just order it off eBay

[marble gyro]

Triple damn man

[charred nova]

I just realized I had the wrong bit

I actually lost the t20

I likely Mistakenly pushed the bit in that slot out

God knows where

And it fell on the ground