☢┃stalker-general

[bitter plover]

what are you talking about?

[serene barn]

well again, no they don't. they just need to acknowledge it'll be looked into and for us to wait on that.

[bleak drum]

People betting on anything atp 😭 ✌️

[serene barn]

instead of there being radio silence

[cobalt fiber]

Result is the same as now

[still current]

miserable

[gilded kayak]

the devs behind the arkham games have been using UE for years, with the experience in games mechanics
GSC also has that, they also had a lot of time

[stuck seal]

The truth is that stalker 2 needs a lot of work, but if you don’t like it in it’s current state, chances are you won’t like it in a few years, there’s only so much that changes, but many design choices are done on purpose and won’t change. Right now stalker 2 is a lot different than it was on launch but a lot is still not that much subjectively

[cobalt fiber]

Believe it or not this is not what I’d consider a priority for developers

[halcyon karma]

Why would you bet on Misery bro? 😭

[meager crag]

To be fair, we know too little of what actually happened

[potent knot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[meager crag]

So eh

[gilded kayak]

I can absolutely compare a modern day game to one from a god damn decade ago

[meager crag]

Time will tell

[potent knot]

No one really knows much in general
Just gotta wait

[meager crag]

Exactly

[gusty nexus]

fr tho
Everything that came out on UE5 was running and looking like crap.
Yet everyone keeps saying "UE5 is the future of gaming"

If S2 stayed on UE4 you can bet it would've ran flawlessly.

[cobalt fiber]

This isn’t an existential crisis so people aren’t gonna work on non work days to say “haha well we will let ya know”

[halcyon karma]

yea bro, "this single guy def gonna win against this huge company" meanwhile Misery has actual assets from stalker
save your money

[gilded kayak]

the game is worth $25 to me, until it is finished and has everything promised it will stay that way

[gilded kayak]

the system shock 2 remake was made on UE4 instead of using UE5 as well, so the UE5 argument is just poor

[cobalt fiber]

I wouldn’t tap into work to address something that isn’t a crisis

[bleak drum]

So bet everything on GSC?

[serene barn]

i do like it. i have 466 hours on steam on it and done 2 full playthroughs and gotten 3/4 endings. i just know that i played the trilogy games before it came out and i was expecting key things to be in 2 that just wasn't there.

[stuck seal]

But it’s on UE5, can’t change the past

[bitter plover]

thast literaly what i said. Devs behind Arkham knigh had long years of UE experience.
GSC didnt has that. This was their first UE game. A lot of devs had some UE experience, but not whole studio. There are tons of ppl from compeltely different engines.
And also deosnt helo, that those who had expreince, had experience with pipeline work for UE 4, not UE 5. New features of UE 5 change the pipeline a lot. And no, they didnt have a lot of time

[dim sphinx]

Do we have any idea on what those assets were?

[potent knot]

You can, but you can also then point to the fact that the older title had a far smaller development team with smaller costs.

[halcyon karma]

Don't bet at all.
But obv they gonna win if they actually go with it

[gilded kayak]

Correct, however they really should have gotten more experience before jumping to the engine

[unique locust]

I said set pieces

[halcyon karma]

Guitar tracks and plenty of blatant plagerised content

[gilded kayak]

They are much more finished products than stalker 2 lol, and don't take up as much storage/performance

[stuck seal]

Oh no I wasn’t saying you didn’t like it I was just saying in general

[unique locust]

You arguing in bad faith is telling

[gilded kayak]

GSC had 10 years, I'm not going to make excuses

[bitter plover]

lmao, classic big brain moments

[gusty nexus]

?????
There is no System Shock 2 Remake
Only first System Shock got a Remake, 2 only has a remaster and that uses KEX engine

[potent knot]

Tbh I agree that it should have been delayed more and they should finished cooking it instead of sending it out half baked

[gilded kayak]

sorry I had a brain fart
the system shock 1 remake

[bleak drum]

Well I think not because just of assets but right now everyone is finding some similar stuff, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QydY_gCYHOY

I can send internet archive page if you want

[bitter plover]

lmao, what. They started working on it at 2018 (which is preproduction, not even real production)

[potent knot]

You understand alot of that storage and performance is from 4k textures right?

[gilded kayak]

uncompressed assets be like

[gilded kayak]

thats still plenty of time, really no excuse

[unique locust]

@oak junco

[stuck seal]

My assets are so compressed right now ~

[bitter plover]

its not in their circumstances

[potent knot]

Look at any other modern game then get back to me

[gilded kayak]

If its about the war, I understand it affected production but again, plenty of time and the choice to not use UE5

[serene barn]

go up a size then

[bleak drum]

I also had 10 years, now where I am 🥹 ✌️ had to buy a house in 2013

[bitter plover]

there was no better choice tho

[gusty nexus]

Listening to it sounds like it's a cover since the chords sound different.

[potent knot]

Smh should have been investing in real estate in the womb

[gilded kayak]

System shock 1 remake, warhammer 3, road to vostok, sins of a solar empire 2, serious sam 4

[bleak drum]

Better make a startup atp

[unique locust]

Actual ape

[gilded kayak]

"there was no better choice" WHAT
THERE ARE FAR BETTER CHOICES THAN UE5 LMAOOO

[gilded kayak]

???

[stuck seal]

Was learning basic multiplication in 2013 rather than investing in bitcoin or whatever

[gilded kayak]

10 years in the joint

[unique locust]

Ss4 the famously optimized game

[meager crag]

UE4 for example

[bleak drum]

The usual Stalker?

[gilded kayak]

I'm still mentioning it, besides that doesn't invalidate my point

[serene barn]

whenever i've heard of UE5, it's been a case of if you know the workings it's amazing, but terrible if you do not.

[bitter plover]

Then you dont know a thing about engines and GSC circumastances.

[gilded kayak]

hell battlefleet gothic armada 2 uses UE4

[gusty nexus]

They could've pulled a Kingdom Come Deliverance
Made STALKER 2 on CryEngine

[gilded kayak]

It's still terrible to use in its current state, and extremely unpopular

[gilded kayak]

OH YEAH
KCD2 IS ON CRYENGINE AND ITS SOOO GOOD

[meager crag]

Arkham Knight is UE3

[stuck seal]

Dlc where barkeep changes his shirt so we can see his full tattoos

[meager crag]

Like bruh

[gilded kayak]

AND THAT LOOKS FAR BETTER THAN STALKER 2

[unique locust]

cryengine

[meager crag]

Let's leave that in the past and move on. We know

[gilded kayak]

EVEN RUNS BETTER

[unique locust]

What next, source 2?

[serene barn]

Cryengine, hmm, i wonder when we'll hear more about Crysis 4

[gusty nexus]

Arkham Knight on release was a joke tbf but after they fixed it (which didn't take a whole year by the way) it's pretty much peak Batman game

[gilded kayak]

they've used cryengine for KCD1 and KCD2, those games are far more optimised and better running than Stalker 2 which uses UE5

[stuck seal]

Crysis 4 big guys

[bitter plover]

KCD is on CryEngine, that they had to work decade to know how to actualy properly use it, and use oldschool methos and good artistic pipeline, to have good visuals while having outdated graphics quality

[gilded kayak]

I know perfectly about GSC circumstances and I know quite a bit about engines but okay man, I'm not willing to have an argument about this

[unique locust]

Like 5 people know how to work on cryengine lol

[meager crag]

"outdated"

Still looks good to me, ngl dawg

[gilded kayak]

"outdated"
I cannot take you seriously now

[halcyon karma]

KDC2 looks like a game from 2018 thou

[bitter plover]

you wont, it was canceled

[bleak drum]

Later people know this moment as the war of the big 2025, followede by the great depression and a world war

[gilded kayak]

oh how I crave image perms so I can post screenshots

[serene barn]

it was?

[gusty nexus]

The hilarious bit is KCD devs were joking at some stream at UE5 issues other devs were facing and were like "Here we have a scene in UE5 running at 20 FPS, and here we have a same scene in CryEngine running at 120"

[serene barn]

😭

[meager crag]

DM me them

[halcyon karma]

Haha, remember when cryengine was The Hated Engine?

[gilded kayak]

tbf they did have to strip down a bit to make it run properly

[bitter plover]

Outdated graphics itself, not visuals. It is far from graphics standards of these day, but it looks incredible thanks to rly well designed assets from artsitic perspective and their placements.

[halcyon karma]

Not only it looks outdated, also runs subpar
But still love KCD2

[stuck seal]

I think stalker 2 would look better graphically if some of the guys were shirtless

Trust

[gilded kayak]

clearly ragebait, you will be skinned alive now

[bitter plover]

yes. They now only support Hunt Showdown

[gusty nexus]

tbf I prefer a game that looks like it came from 2018 than an UE5 game that looks like a mix of someone putting high quality assets in a poorly lit environment.

[gilded kayak]

give me a few

[bitter plover]

it rly does. As i said, it visualy looks awesome. But im talking about Graphics quality itself, not how visualy it looks

[meager crag]

Can't, MP isn't out yet so we can't equip skins yet

[gusty nexus]

Like legit stalker 2 at times looks like there is no lighting and someone turned on full bright mode.

[gilded kayak]

GOD DAMN IT, alright fine mozi you're spared for now

[halcyon karma]

That is just lumen being lumen. And it still looks better than KCD2 lol

[meager crag]

[gusty nexus]

Yet it can't hit 60 fps

[bleak drum]

Btw this is how misery fans see us

[meager crag]

Bro, calm down lmao

[smoky hawk]

spartan does this every day

at night

[serene barn]

i can only find things about it being put on hold

[bitter plover]

yeah, i should have said more like paused than canceled, true

[dim sphinx]

so far it seems like it's campfire songs and stuff being heavily inspired to say the least

[serene barn]

man that's annoying lol. i really like those games. maybe mostly 2 and 3.

[gentle citrus]

Yes soo much noise in that. I love how I can see that it’s lumen.

[bitter zealot]

why would GSC kill misery :(

[halcyon karma]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830078583275651145/1435302932093337712/plec.gif

[gilded kayak]

here we go again

[gusty nexus]

????
Nah
KCD2 has a much more artistically pleasing graphics design than S2.
Stalker 2 is photorealistic 10% of the time for me, 90% of the time its playdough with no shading.
Meanwhile Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 at least has a consistent graphics design that doesn't rely on unstable lighting engine that was made for Fortnite.

[bleak drum]

I don't want to talk again about what specifically is the problem but I just want to say that on his official telegram today he said to not harass GSC and that he will remove "easter eggs" and other Stalker stuff from the game (he didn't show apart from 2 screenshots what other assets is the DMCA based on) and that he will solve the problem

[gilded kayak]

thank you for speaking for me
I forgot what the term was, basically stalker 2 isn't very consistent, KCD is

[gentle citrus]

Fax

[gleaming plume]

Still no words about multiplayer ?

[gentle citrus]

Why would you be interested in a multiplayer

[stuck seal]

I guess it depends on hardware too because I haven’t had much issue, the biggest thing I noticed is that NPCs sometimes look like play dough

[bleak drum]

KCD2 W, I gambled everything and then got muged 10/10 experience

[bitter zealot]

no why?

[gusty nexus]

Like this is the issue with UE5.
You can look at a lot of games from past years that didn't rely on lumen or TAA and see the graphics look next gen, are sharp and most importantly are consistent
Then you look at UE5 games and its blur, flickering and overall unpleasant experience that induces motion sickness on me.

[unique locust]

He's gonna have to remove like half the game and come up with his own ideas

[bitter plover]

that i agree. KCD 2 is more consitent and have rly good artistic design. Stalker is not consitnet, and due to UE 5 feautes, its a lot based on ppls HW. Like i have good HW, so for me, Stalker looks phenomenal and also consistent, bcs things like Lumen work better with higher resolution. But if you have mid or lower spec, it goes to hell

[gilded kayak]

thanks pookie

[bitter zealot]

pretty trash of GSC considering the community made their games what they are today

[bleak drum]

From what he said a few assets, altough he never specifically say what assets apart from the ones showed in screenshots

[gentle citrus]

Lol that’s the first game

[gilded kayak]

Yes, still looks amazing

[halcyon karma]

Ok. But objectively, S2 is much more advanced technically in terms of graphics still lol
Lumen noise is problem true, but that will be gone when HW RT comes

[gentle citrus]

Yea

[bitter zealot]

like i dont think anyone is playing vanilla stalker bro, its only the community that makes it good lol

[bitter plover]

TAA is used for much longer than UE 5 tho.

[gilded kayak]

although it does have a few inconsistences at some points which I did not post because I wanted to be biased

[unique locust]

Gamma tourist spotted

[bitter zealot]

true i couldnt play without gamma 😵‍💫

[gilded kayak]

Mods, take their anomaly from them

[unique locust]

Vacate the premises

[halcyon karma]

Jesse, what the fuсk are you talking about

[bitter zealot]

🤨

[stuck seal]

Why does stalker have to be vanilla, I personally like strawberry

[gentle citrus]

I couldn’t give a shi if the game is technically advanced

[meager crag]

I am

[bitter zealot]

my deepest condolences

[gusty nexus]

Man the window in the first screen hits different.
In STALKER 2 you'd see the lighting from outside swimming all over the room like an undecisive goth phase teen.
Meanwhile KCD gives you a solid, static light that will always look the same no matter what angle you look at it from

[bitter zealot]

modders make game good

[stuck seal]

Or banana

[bitter zealot]

GSC thanks its community by striking down fan made game, sooo kawaiiiiii 😌

[gilded kayak]

I was extremely impressed with the lighting, much better than modern games I have currently played

[gentle citrus]

BTW noise lumen doesn’t go away if it’s HW

[oak junco]

I mean the vanilla stalker games are great

[bleak drum]

I mean yes but the problem as far as I understand is not only the assets or the game is that he put stalker + russian/communist imagery/music in the marketing, which for GSC is a big no no that's why I think they went to DMCA so fast, if they really about stolen assets they would nuke all roblox games that make you pay 120 eur for Pseudogiant Skin

[gusty nexus]

This
I watched The Outer Worlds 2 and hell, Hardware Lumen did not fix shit

[meager crag]

There's no proof of what happened tho, so yeah, very kawaiiiiii

[gilded kayak]

throw DoctorX in there as well as the gentlemen

[oak junco]

Where are my vanilla chads at

[smoky hawk]

not liking a game is fine

[bitter zealot]

gamma > anomaly 🧐

[oak junco]

Gamma isnt even stalker honestly

[halcyon karma]

Ok? But, it's still a fact. It's technically more advanced than KCD2.

[bitter zealot]

one way or another they think the guy is infringing on their IP

[gilded kayak]

gamma is anomaly though, and its not even stalker

[smoky hawk]

you just dont like stalker, thats a fine thing

[gilded kayak]

I think we're confusing what advancement is and what going using technology wrong is

[oak junco]

Id play vanilla clear sky over any other stalker content

[bitter zealot]

i like stalker i just cant get into the vanilla game, its like zomboid or dayz, you can enjoy vanilla but what makes it good is the mods

[unique locust]

Thats like saying "Shіt > pіss"

[meager crag]

Well, there is the case of Misery having Dirge for the Planet apparently, which is copyrighted

[stuck seal]

How does gamma differ in gameplay anyway from the trilogy? I’ve never played it

[gilded kayak]

what the actual hell

[smoky hawk]

the guy received a DMCA, it is yet to be confirmed to be GSC

[bitter zealot]

i dont know how you think playing the game without mods makes it better 🤔

[meager crag]

But we don't know fr waddup

[halcyon karma]

Vasim

[smoky hawk]

you dont like stalker, you like gamma
gamma isnt stalker

[bitter zealot]

it is tho

[oak junco]

Lets not pretend stalker is innocent with the amount of sexual comments made about snorks

[halcyon karma]

I hope that was you.

[bleak drum]

Hating GAMMA in the big 2025 😭

[smoky hawk]

its not

[unique locust]

the fact that it's not stalker but tacticool slop for peasants like you?

[smoky hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[meager crag]

Is it because someone told you it is or because you know the truth nobody knows?

[bitter zealot]

its more like an open world version of the game, with some QOL mods and stuff like... eating and drinking animations

[oak junco]

Gamma isnt even open world

[unique locust]

never stop shіtting on gamma

[smoky hawk]

its a completely different game

you wouldnt get it tho

you never plaeyd stalker

so

[bitter zealot]

well, open-ended i guess lol

[oak junco]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350921106881642697/ride-2.gif

[gilded kayak]

I'll provide a list
ahem
grinding for loot, going for a tacticool approach to everything, makes grinding extremely tedious and getting look is just awful

[bleak drum]

I mean its way more than that, way too "complex" but if that's what a lot of ppl lie

[bitter zealot]

nah i kinda get it, stalker is like a story based game

[bitter plover]

it complteley changes the gameplay and philosophy of it. its not just free roam with QoL

[stuck seal]

That doesn’t really answer my question, I mean like the gameplay mechanics and stuff like combat and armor

[bitter zealot]

the actual gameplay is the same tho is what im sayin

[gusty nexus]

What to choose...
Technically advanced vaseline smear over the screen that is incosistent at a single angle and abuses dithering to hide its shortcomings and relies on TAA to hide the dithering.
Or
Tested solutions that look sharp and give consistent results all the time no matter the angle.

[bitter plover]

its not

[oak junco]

No

[meager crag]

No

[gleaming plume]

I'am, since they talked about it.

[smoky hawk]

Stalker is a action exploration fast paced shooter with RPG balancing based around story
GAMMA is a survivalist sandbox experience, they are completely different

[oak junco]

Play the trilogy NOW

[stuck seal]

Oh that sounds bad

[smoky hawk]

its not even remotely the same

[bitter zealot]

how is it not the same, are you basically saying one is a racing game and the other is a card game like wtf are you saying, please stop being so vague

[frigid hill]

universalheart_ has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[unique locust]

this is the kind of people who pretend to know about vanilla alife when talking about stalker 2

[halcyon karma]

My point is, S2 is more advanced graphically. more advanced lighting, textures, models, etc. It's not consistent, but eventually it will be much more. It looks better.

KCD2 looks good, but it's outdated and runs subpar to its level (imo)
Fair to like that too

[oak junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[bitter plover]

we with good HW dont have these issues in S2. Its SHARP AF

[smoky hawk]

do you think Sim Racing and normal racing are the same thing

[bitter plover]

[wheat minnow]

Hello

[bitter zealot]

okay im gathering you guys are all stalker vanilla puritans lol

[halcyon karma]

Ok rant over, my food is here

[gusty nexus]

I literally have a 4080 Super and it still looks like someone put vaseline over my eyes.

[smoky hawk]

I used to make Mod Translations

I am by no means a puritan

youre just an idiot

[gusty nexus]

And it can't hit stable 60fps. Man

[bitter plover]

then i dont know what you do with that game

[meager crag]

Even though we still don't know if it's actually GSC and not someone pretending to be them

[oak junco]

Ive played countless mods and I know gamma is nothing like the canon trilogy

[bitter zealot]

im just asking how is it not the same, like theyre are describing the two games as though they are different genres

[gilded kayak]

"more advanced" and yet looks worse and runs worse than other games, it released poorly and is still poor

outdated doesn't mean automatically bad or subpar, KCD2 is extremely good and the devs know what they're doing with CryEngine, this has to be bait

[meager crag]

If only GSC would respond

[stuck seal]

So like an arcade survival shooter vs sim survival shooter

[unique locust]

we only shіt on tourist mods like gamma and anomaly. there is a sea of actually good kino mods but you wouldn't know about any of them

[gilded kayak]

newgens don't know DoctorX these days 😔

[oak junco]

Rip to a king 🫡

[gusty nexus]

We can't even argue that Hardware Lumen will fix all issues with lighting because it did not fix issues in Oblivion Remastered or Outer Worlds 2.
Hell Outer Worlds 2 looks worse with HW Lumen.

[bitter zealot]

why would you shit on someone whos trying to enjoy stalker one way or another, seems like a pretty cancer community and i just got here

[smoky hawk]

one is a survival grindfest the other is a fast paced exploration shooter, if you actually played stalker youd know that these 2 are complete opposites on the FPS scale
but then again I think youre being purposefully obtuse
one focuses on slow methodical encomomy grind and the other youre Usaine Bolt snap firing mfs with a radar

[drifting bear]

We'll see on monday

[meager crag]

@oak junco
How canon is the term "Burnout"?

[unique locust]

gatekeeping is good

[halcyon karma]

In terms of graphics, outdated means bad to me bro lol. Also I didn't say KCD2 is bad, in fact I love the game

[gilded kayak]

I guess you could say that stalker 2 is much more advanced but I don't see any advancement, I just see it as backwards tech, it looks like a 2018 tech demo

[bitter plover]

We never said KCD 2 looks bad or that its poor. We only said, that it has outdated graphics quality and pipeline. They did it this way purposedly to have good perfomance (which is still not where it should be with this pipeline, there are game far superior looking and running better while using old techniques)

[oak junco]

Hmm

[unique locust]

keeping the dirty peasants away from a community is good

[bitter zealot]

its not gatekeeping its just being a dickhead lol

[serene barn]

i wonder how many things the Misery dev actually just took straight from Stalker. so far i've seen a guitar song? i'm not sure you can do that even if you actually just played the thing yourself. and then also that there was a model that just looked exaxtly like a rookie stalker or loner but mega polyied up.

[stuck seal]

That is true you can like what you like but you also said the trilogy is bad so that’s something to note

[unique locust]

that's what gatekeeping entails peasant 😺

[bitter zealot]

yea i mean, i couldnt play em, way too old

[gilded kayak]

Yeah this is definite bait, I'm done with this conversation lmao
outdated 💀

[stuck seal]

What do you mean too old?

[oak junco]

If you didnt play them why are you even talking like you know what you're talking about

[bitter zealot]

yea? well i live in north america, so i win

[gusty nexus]

I can give credit to one game that released recently and is an UE5 title
And it's friggin Sponge Bog. That game runs flawlessly at native res and is sharp and consistent.
Makes me wonder how they managed this feat.

[smoky hawk]

the reason why you liked GAMMA is the reason you dont like stalker, gamma isnt stalker, and you liked gamma

[oak junco]

Debatable

[smoky hawk]

youre not helping the stereotype

[meager crag]

Bro 💀

[gilded kayak]

I hate UE5, I'm sorry

[oak junco]

If you're american yall are cooked haha

[bitter zealot]

wdym t his guy is calling me a peasant because i like gamma, hes scum

[unique locust]

doubtful you can point your state on the map

[gilded kayak]

please use grammar for once

[bitter plover]

there are many recetn UE 5 titles running flawlesly and looking good.

[bitter zealot]

doubtful your "state" will exist in a few years

[stuck seal]

Well they both use the same world, factions and what not right? It still is stalker, but a different type of gameplay

[gilded kayak]

Please name them, it has to be more than 2 games

[smoky hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/nebsgoodtakes-alien-romulus-alien-gif-4166419615290115664

[halcyon karma]

Yeah, 2025 game. Outdated graphics. Yep.

[oak junco]

I played the trilogy just fine you sound like a gen z@bitter zealot

[bitter zealot]

enjoy getting conscripted

[unique locust]

vatnіk kid coping hard

[oak junco]

American is getting mad guys lol

[gentle citrus]

That’s even worse if your game can’t look better even with being technically better.
You can make the technically most advanced phone with quantum chip in it and a lense that was developed by nasa. If it’s still worse then it’s still worse and wasted money.

GSC could have stayed at UE4 and not wasted time and money. But I guess slapping UE5 game on the package was more important than gameplay.

[bitter zealot]

idk what that means cause im from north america where we have civilization

[bitter plover]

we can see that Objective person would hate studio for their poor work, not engine.

[oak junco]

You're a clown bro

[smoky hawk]

It isnt, just bc someone else used the same world doesnt make what they did stalker

GAMMA is itself

[lilac hornet]

Hi

[gilded kayak]

I also hate studios for being terrible at using engines without getting experience with it first

[bitter zealot]

yea well im not gonna get blown up by a drone, so

[smoky hawk]

its its own thing, it maintains its own individuality regardless of where it comes from

[bitter zealot]

have fun with that, euro-trash

[unique locust]

seethe harder lil bro

[robust pendant]

Uuuuuuuuh, mods!

[oak junco]

Naw you're just being led by a pedo who's collapsing your country bozo

[unique locust]

your ruskie friends are unable to do that

[meager crag]

Well, in that case, tell me in which game of the Trilogy the term "Antropomorphus Dendromutantus Vulgaris" is used to prove you know Trilogy lore

[smoky hawk]

!tempmute 311357631841173505 6h chill for a few seconds

[frigid hill]

charmeleeon has been muted for 6 hours

Reason: chill for a few seconds

Muted until · Nov 8, 2025, 7:51 PM

[oak junco]

Mods ban this dude hes a clown

[meager crag]

Ah, dang

[gilded kayak]

I am soooo tired of studios jumping to the latest engine without gaining proper experience using it first, or even better using another engine or making their own

[gentle citrus]

But do you know what the multiplayer gonna be about?
Since they announced it’s not gonna be coop.

[oak junco]

This is why gamma players get shit on they are retards

[bitter plover]

Finnals, Valorant, recently Arc Riders from MP perspective. From Sp forexample Split Fictions is recent.

[gilded kayak]

so, how many years until stalker 2 goes on a low enough sale for me to consider buying it

[stuck seal]

Yeah that makes sense, I was just thinking since it’s a mod it uses all the stuff from stalker, just changes the core of how you play, but if it wants to not be stalker, then it is its own thing

[floral elm]

https://tenor.com/view/valekis-gif-14850121764306207925

[meager crag]

Welp, question's still open for anyone who wants to guess

[floral elm]

How it feels summoning wolf

[bitter plover]

uhh, lmao. How would you get the experience then 😄

[gentle citrus]

2?

[oak junco]

Im gonna guess clear sky

[gusty nexus]

Finals is a poor choice since it's only title from the list that shut down

[meager crag]

Tourist

[gilded kayak]

Valorant doesn't count since it wasn't recently released, also it only recently updated to UE5 from UE4, the finals is a multiplayer format so that doesn't count nor does Arc Raiders, split fictions also doesn't count since thats co-op

[unique locust]

for some actually important news, my greatsword is finally done and i will receive it in about 2 weeks

[stuck seal]

I’ve played through CoP and Clear Sky and never heard this term so I guess SoC

[oak junco]

It be your own brothers who hurt you the most

[gilded kayak]

By learning how to use the engine via experimentation

[bitter plover]

how does it doesnt count? lmao. ITs UE 5 game

[compact pier]

Shadow of chernobyl

Buratino

xd

[oak junco]

Aye hell yeah you gotta send me pics when its there

[meager crag]

But who said it?

[bitter plover]

its irelevant if its MP or SP

[stuck seal]

Bruh idk 😭

[meager crag]

[gilded kayak]

I just explained why Valorant didn't count since it didn't release on UE5, for the others they're mainly multiplayer and not singleplayer

[compact pier]

Skill issue

kruglov

[gusty nexus]

Yeah but the games scopes aren't the same.
A fair comparison here would be Borderlands 4
Which runs like crap.

[robust pendant]

Well, they werent really a gamma player, just a troll. Their behaviour was clear since the beginning

[meager crag]

Ez

[gilded kayak]

25$

[meager crag]

[compact pier]

usb card contains this info(for which we was hunted by mercs)

[bitter plover]

jesus. DO you even know how long it take for these things? How much ti costs? They are studios, they are not home made project you do in free time at home

[oak junco]

True haha

[robust pendant]

Also, play na7 d lite, it good

[gilded kayak]

Yes I do know how long it takes for these things, I also know how much it costs
I know for a fact they can do it, I don't think you understand how these things work and are just making excuses for jumping to UE5

[oak junco]

I think I'll play NA7 after yakuza 0

[meager crag]

Maybe that's a UA translation thing? It's not in EN at least

[stuck seal]

Man I could’ve guessed that, kruglov is like the only real science guy in SoC

[bitter plover]

Fair ofr Valorant, But for other its irelevant. They are UE 5 title running well. Thats just you nitpicking, bcs you want to be right

[gilded kayak]

Experience wins above all else, just jumping to the latest thing without gaining experience first will resultin faliure

[gilded kayak]

It's clear you're trolling so I'm going to back off from this argument

[eternal mountain]

on the ps4 it ran flawlessly on release tho, pc port was pushed out unfinished

[robust pendant]

Based

[unique locust]

it looked like he was the only one seething tho. counterproductive for a troll

[robust pendant]

Still a troll

The last messages were clear

[bitter plover]

no you cleary dont. Studios cant just waste 4 years by experimenting to gain enough experience. ANd less when they basicaly started again working, hiring ppl and have some limited capital. Jesus

[smoky hawk]

based D Lite

[oak junco]

Hell I think the vanilla trilogy ( aside from cop grass distance) holds up very well

[gilded kayak]

so its a waste of time to gain experience with something? lmaoooo

[robust pendant]

And thats why you should use ixray

[gilded kayak]

actual troll, I'm out lol

[stuck seal]

Is punished d lite supposed to be like punished delight or a lite punished d

[meager crag]

Play Vermintide II with your fellow bro first

[bitter plover]

For studio? Experimenting without getting anything from it literaly is. Thats how bussineses works.

[coral shadow]

weakest rage bait

[oak junco]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[gilded kayak]

Please, I just uninstalled vermintide 2
don't drag me back 😭

[meager crag]

Delight, but he turned from Based to Punished when he got demodded/demoted

[chrome jetty]

The developer also decides who to claim the copyright and who not depending on the copyright license you can be authorised to use their assets or limit to certain things, the one who owns the rights can do whatever they want if they have the proper license

[robust pendant]

ID studios be like:
"Bro, you are late"

[oak junco]

I got too based

[gilded kayak]

don't drag me back to vermintide 2, I just escaped it 😭

[bitter plover]

ID studio have several games they work on. And they have muich hugher capital. They can "waste time" , bcs they know, that it will return to them back in time

[oak junco]

You're going back NOW

[meager crag]

Help me with my builds bro

[gilded kayak]

NO PLEASE GOD NO
I DON'T WANNA

[gilded kayak]

oh fine, what you need?

[coral shadow]

cmon you still need to level up a bit

[robust pendant]

Well, still
Could've experimented a few more months, even a year, and then release the game, probably.
Or just, not be too over ambitious

[gilded kayak]

FREE ME

[bitter plover]

they would, if they would have capital for it. They literaly said, that they had to, bcs they wouldnt be able to develop it further without releasing it

[robust pendant]

Of course developing takes time and money

[gilded kayak]

I can also bring up another example which is duke nukem forever
dev kept jumping onto the latest engine of a trend

[robust pendant]

But well, I would prefer they could've done that

[gilded kayak]

I argue that experimenting and learning an engine is far less expensive than making a game lol

[robust pendant]

If you do it beforehand, yeah.
But well, they havent

[bitter plover]

and ambitious, thats another topic there are many things they did wrong in this

[coral shadow]

grinding those rooms of rats come on

[gilded kayak]

Correct, so now I'm mad and I demand compensation via flintlock pistol duel

[meager crag]

Based, so what's the best way to use the Greathammer for Markus? I'd imagine Grail Knight?

[robust pendant]

Yeah, of course. Im not denying that it happened. But well,it could've been better

[robust pendant]

Oh yeah, in that we can both agree

[gilded kayak]

depends, you want crowd control or single damage

[meager crag]

Greathammer is both

[gilded kayak]

I only play dwarf because he's me

[robust pendant]

I also think that another mistake was jumping to UE5

[meager crag]

Literally me

[bitter plover]

Its more expensive, bcs you wont get anything back. You have to have enough capital to know, that you can experiment and then start making game and still have enough money to funtionc, which they clearly didnt

[robust pendant]

Idk how many real advantages in development they got through that change

[meager crag]

You ever tried Warpick on Ironbreaker?

Literally peak

[robust pendant]

I hope they were worth it at least, cause many didnt like it

[stuck seal]

Vermintide but it’s loners fighting waves of mutants

[bleak drum]

I have interesting idea, speaking in the chat you spend 1 token, and the free plan is 25 tokens, after that you go to #💬┃en_offtop if you want more you need to pay to mods. And also there is Pro Plan where you can have infinite tokens. I will call this BoltAI and it has a valuation of a handfull of 10 million dollars. IPO in May

[gilded kayak]

I recommend using great hammer with footknight
but if you're using grail knight then I would recommend 112133 for your talents

[bitter plover]

the thing is, there was no better choice. THey clearly didnt have enough highly experienced ppl that would be able to develop their own engine (side aside, that it would take even more time and money, than use already developed one). So they had to choose developed one. And there are rly not many choices. Many ppl talk about many engines they could have used, but a lot of them are proprietary one, so they cant use them. Then ther are those they can and you want to use something, that is developed a lot, there are ppl using it, that can give you advice on it, its easy to learn and the engine will be able to give you what you want from game. For this, UE was best choice. Bcs they had ppl that at least some experience on it

[meager crag]

Second Wind? Why not Carve?

[gleaming plume]

PVP in the zone

[gilded kayak]

hold on let me double check the tree

ah sorry, haven't played in a while so I got the skills mixed up

[stuck seal]

Quake but stalker

[meager crag]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-forever-gif-17720842224406163287

[stuck seal]

Well idk wasn’t mp in the trilogy more like quake or something like counter strike? I remember having to buy stuff right? Or did you just collect it?

[gilded kayak]

221231

[unique locust]

Are you telling me GSC can't magically summon 500 Ukrainians who know all the ins and outs of cryengine?? Preposterous!

[meager crag]

What about Bretonnian Longsword?

[robust pendant]

Oh, I meant like, they were on UE4 and then went to UE5. Seemed reasonable to stay on UE4

[gilded kayak]

30: 1 is for a second attack on your ult
but pick 2 if you want everything in front of you to die right now

[robust pendant]

More like quake, yeah

[unique locust]

How about they try magically summoning 500 employees who know idtech7 or source2!

[meager crag]

I've got Bret Longsword for Execute at least

[gentle citrus]

Bad management ngl

[gilded kayak]

221132

[bitter plover]

Btw, most CryEngine veterans from Europe that dont work for CryTek were sucked by Warhorse or CIG (Star Citizen, which has actualy one of longest CryEngine veterans working on it)

[meager crag]

Okay, silly thought hour, but what if we're only going with 111111, 222222 and 333333? They usually seem to synergize with each other, no matter the Career

[frigid hill]

universalheart_ has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[meager crag]

Kek

[gilded kayak]

eh you know, screw it we ball why not

[meager crag]

Hella

[bitter plover]

yeah, they knew UE 4 much more, but this is where it comes on Ambition. IF they would stayed there, it wouldnt be the game we have now. WOuld it be better or worse? Who knows. BUt it deffinitely wouldnt fix issues as ppl think, bcs many UE 5 issues were even worse on UE 4. ANd UE 5 is better for open world game. Their issues came mostly for not enough experienced ppl and not rly well management procces/pipeline from start to finish. They had to change a lot of things many times and it hurt it a lot

[gilded kayak]

I'll probably test it once I reinstall Verm 2

[bitter plover]

Same happened with KCD 1. After it, Warhorse knew what to do and what not to do, and thats why development of KCD 2 was much better and released game was not bugged mess

[robust pendant]

Yeah, so, many things coming into played that made it be like it is rn

Well, I just hope they fix it

Not for me, idc, I dont even own the game hehe

[meager crag]

It's what I've honestly been doing with the other Careers and it seems to work just fine tbh

[gilded kayak]

Ngl sitting here talking is a lot more fun than looking for riddler trophys rn

They call to me

[meager crag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-riddler-jim-carrey-gif-14615748

[gentle citrus]

No not in the later stages on UE4. We would still have bad TAA and such but also better game that has less bugs and more gameplay.

[gilded kayak]

90% of my time playing verm 2 has been spent trying to not only get people to not speedrun maps (there's almost no reward for it) but also trying to parkour for grimoires

[meager crag]

Recently played with someone who speedran the maps, leaving me behind to face the whole horde

Very based

[bitter plover]

I highly doubt that honestly. DOnt know why ppl think, that we have bugs and not enough gameplay bcs of engine itself and not bcs of what i said higher

[gilded kayak]

I dislike speedrunning because I like exploring, I only do it on higher difficulties

[meager crag]

Honestly struggling with Screaming Bell on Legend ngl

[gilded kayak]

When I reinstall I can do it with you later if you want

[meager crag]

Hella, mind if I play RV?

[gilded kayak]

what in gods name is RV

[gentle citrus]

They took a whole year to switch to UE5 + learn it.

[meager crag]

Ranger Veteran, drengbarazi

[gilded kayak]

oh sure go right ahead, I don't care what you use lmao (I will care and I will seethe about it)

[unique locust]

Stalker 2 should have been a total conversion of quake 1. The performance would be quite nice!

[gilded kayak]

you know whats the best part of dealing with chaos knights? not dealing with them and instead letting the patrol pass by

[oak junco]

Port stalker 2 to the creation engine please

[gilded kayak]

by aware you will be dealing with australian ping

[bitter plover]

i know. And they had a lot of issues with it. But, UE 4 had a lot of limitations on other hand. So it also depends, what exactly was their plan for game, when they were on UE 4. Bcs i doubt they would be able to create game like this on UE 4. There would have to big big downgrade

[meager crag]

You mean you will carry, right?

[bitter plover]

[gilded kayak]

I'm not good enough at the game to carry xD (only on certain maps, not screaming bell tho)

[meager crag]

But where's the fun in that?

[gilded kayak]

the fun is playing viking music before divebombing them, I just need the right playlist

[gilded kayak]

I love warhammer fantasy lore in general so I can and will talk about it

[meager crag]

Please do

[weary hedge]

I promoted stalker 2 in my home town, people are genually interested in the ukraine war now

[gentle citrus]

No hardware limitations. For sure. At least they would have enough performance for ps5 and Xbox X and for pc. And more time to concentrate on missions bugs a-life.
We still don’t have a full a-life.

[gilded kayak]

the lore accurate slayer experience, literally every player including me does it
its in our blood, ITS IN OUR VEINS, OUR ANCESTORS ARE CHEERING FOR US

[spring gust]

Brother! Get the flamer! The heavy flamer!

[gilded kayak]

god damn it now I have to replay spacehulk deathwing

[weary hedge]

what happens when there is no blood and no water

[gilded kayak]

FOR THE BROTHERHOOD OF NOD

[meager crag]

Just play Ironbreaker, Outcast Engineer or any Sienna Career

[gilded kayak]

I adore the game but I can never find anyone to play it with

[meager crag]

[gilded kayak]

I pick whichever has the biggest gun

[gilded kayak]

I also studied the dwarf language so I can say slurs in a more lore accurate fashion

[meager crag]

IB and OE fr

[gilded kayak]

fr fr

[weary hedge]

man dwarfs are ripped though six packs for days

[gilded kayak]

I love NOD as a faction, I mainly use the flamers though because its funnier

[gilded kayak]

I've been playing mental omega and my teammates as me why do I keep spamming conscripts to the frontlines as the USA
I said this: "If I am not communist, then why is my blood red comrade?"

human wave tactics are my favourite

[gilded kayak]

Meet the competitive racist

Diamond elite globe sigmar rank

[weary hedge]

my name is Adam and eve was ebony

nuff said

[meager crag]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-vermintide-2-saltzpyre-thumbs-up-victor-saltzpyre-gif-12423588020318615207

[gilded kayak]

Whenever I played saltzpyre I would recite the litany of hate and recite the god damn sigmar bible lol

Did it cause my teammates to mute me? yes
Was it worth it? yes

I personally enjoyed playing as the witch hunter career though, using a rapier with a flintlock is just peak
also funny hat

[meager crag]

Honestly love that you can even read the pages of The Life of Sigmar

Like, you can inspect it and read it fr

[gilded kayak]

I have learned to read it properly and understand what it says

I have too much time and not enough faith on my hands

[weary hedge]

I drank holy water

[gilded kayak]

alright back to the riddler grind I go

[meager crag]

Bro drank fire water fr

[weary hedge]

also who changed my name

[meager crag]

Ngl, I like it

[gilded kayak]

I can be hyper religious when I get in the mood

[meager crag]

[weary hedge]

I know, im not gonna talk about it

so who pissed off the russians

this time

[frigid hill]

silliestdinocat has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[valid solar]

Alright I'm really mad and I want to complain
Why on earth is GSC DMCAing Misery???

Severely overstepping yalls boundaries

[gilded kayak]

couple stolen assets including music ripped straight from stalker for the campfire music

[valid solar]

The developers have said this is not true

[gilded kayak]

Evidence suggests otherwise

[smoky hawk]

let us wait for GSCs response on the matter instead of coming up with sepculation

[gilded kayak]

someone post the video of the campfire music please

[gilded kayak]

that as well

[valid solar]

according to the official dmca itself, the only thing they showed was similarities to the steam page

"MISERY uses no characters, plot, storyline, assets, monsters, music, code, etc., from their games. It is all either originally created or legally licensed. We also think that this is an abuse of power against small independent developers by a large corporation, and it should not be a thing."

[kindred fable]

official dmca itself
What is that? Because all I saw is some shіtty cropped up screenshots by the ztarded misery dev

[smoky hawk]

the same shit is going to get thrown all around so why not just agree that none of us know all the story and wait for more information eh?

[valid solar]

The screenshot is a direct photo of the email from valve tbf and I don't think that gives you authority to call the dude a slur

[serene barn]

here was that video for the music

[cyan sparrow]

Still misery drama?

[valid solar]

could be stock audio tbf

[serene barn]

i mean, if the dev's response itself, was to use Gay like it was a slur in his original one then i feel like it's not entirely unfair to call him something back.

[kindred fable]

There were multiple proofs of him being tolerant to ZOV posters on his server (even coowner himself reacted with "Z" and "Wagner" on many posts) so yeah, I will keep calling him ztard

[robust pendant]

Since it released in 2017, yeah

[valid solar]

Oh that's not cool of him either

[chrome jetty]

Ask the devs to show the full report, especially the part where Steam says which content broke the DMCA

They still haven't shown it, yet they should know it

Why are they hiding it? I wonder

[undone plaza]

And he apologized to the Russians now, not that he is tolerate z-tards

[smoky hawk]

Alright let us all calm down

[unique locust]

"Hey you stole our shіt, here's security camera footage"
"Ermm no I didn't!!"

[jagged roost]

It’s unreal that Misery was pulled from Steam Store

[unique locust]

Engine 5

[valid solar]

I think the whole thing is pretty ridiculous

[fierce nexus]

[unique locust]

😺

[valid solar]

so besides a guitar track, in what other way does it violate DMCA

[foggy olive]

After removing the similarities, it will be returned, so I don't think there's anything to complain about.

[robust pendant]

We cant know until everyone shows the whole report

[undone plaza]

I mean
I se so much DMCA case
And like
THEY CLEARLY GUILTY

[kindred fable]

#💬┃en_offtop message

There's a possibility they were "Z" even before "being Z" became a thing

(That's one of their modders, the purple one)

[chrome jetty]

If the guitar track was made by GSC that is all it takes

[valid solar]

Not really lol

[chrome jetty]

Ask them to show the full report and reason

Instead of hiding it

[valid solar]

imma do that actually

[chrome jetty]

Go on, they won't show you dw

[valid solar]

wish me luck LMAO

[compact pier]

5,4,3,2,1 to ban on their server

[chrome jetty]

Let us know

[undone plaza]

They don't show it for reason
I so sure i see model what clearly dragging from stalker 2

[jagged roost]

Look forward to it returning to the store whenever that is

[valid solar]

I mean there's nothing besides the guitar track really

[chrome jetty]

It's more than enough

[undone plaza]

It is

[valid solar]

Yes, just feels like people are making this waaaay bigger of a deal than it needs to be

[undone plaza]

They changed it a lil, but its still pretty clear
I so sure i see same poligon

[valid solar]

what?? this makes zero sense

[chrome jetty]

You are not supposed to steal any copyrighted content, especially without authorisation and if you are making money out if it

It's illegal

[coral shadow]

lettuce know

[valid solar]

We don't know yet if the guitar track is by GSC tbf, they did use alot of stock audio sfx
Imma look for evidence

[chrome jetty]

Ask the devs to show the full report

That's where the evidence is

[foggy olive]

this is not the first game that has this problem, maybe it will take them a little time to edit and remove objects that are made one by one. but after that no one can legally ban them on steam. so just wait

[coral shadow]

true, does misery make money though? and how much did they copy

[compact pier]

500k sold copies

[coral shadow]

wait, isn't misery a fan game?

[compact pier]

No

[serene barn]

trying to find out what the music from the video is called in stalker lol.

[undone plaza]

#💬┃en_offtop message

[coral shadow]

fan mod, like gamma or sum

[chrome jetty]

Steam can decide to ban the game due to breaking the law and Steam ToS and can force to refund copies or pay the IP owner

[valid solar]

That does not violate any laws lol

[compact pier]

Mo, its a separate game called misery with low polygon graphics

They even used name of stalker mod, xd

[undone plaza]

Its is

[chrome jetty]

Doesn't matter how much, if you are selling a product, regardless of the price, you are still supposed to follow the law

[coral shadow]

i thought it was somewhat of a fan mod, not a standalone game lmao, they deserve the strike if they copied things

[valid solar]

it isn't, bottom line
It's not the same model, just a similar one

[chrome jetty]

No, it's a game on Steam not a mod

[coral shadow]

im not defending them, im just curious how much they took from stalker

[foggy olive]

that's true, but after eliminating the root cause of the ban (plagiarism), there will be no legal reason for the delay

[chrome jetty]

Ask them to show the full report

[chrome jetty]

Depends on Steam

[compact pier]

2 songs, locations, promo materials

[chrome jetty]

It's not just that

[compact pier]

From what we know right now after jnvestigation

[valid solar]

Alright I looked into it a bit, the guitar track is created in-house by GSC games world
So yes, that does violate DMCA

[undone plaza]

Metal long dream-cather looks barely cntrl-c contl-v

[chrome jetty]

They can also keep it banned until the dev has paid the IP owner, refunded copies or delete the game entirely

[coral shadow]

that's wild

[compact pier]

And here's the issue, cause we do investigation by ourselves, misery dev don't give us full context

[foggy olive]

usually even nintendo withdrew the lawsuit, so i think steam will do the same

[valid solar]

Still not copyright infringement tbf

With that said, the guitar tracks and other stuff is

[chrome jetty]

Nintendo files a DMCA for anything and most of the time it is not Nintendo

[undone plaza]

Its violations of laf steal other models, dude

[coral shadow]

Nintendo withdrawing a law suit? that's something new

[valid solar]

it goes under parody legally iirc

[foggy olive]

It will be interesting to see on Monday if anything has changed.

[coral shadow]

Basically, Strelok went in the wrong bathroom

[bleak drum]

sus

[compact pier]

I'm.not

[undone plaza]

If its be only this - maybe yes

But in complex its

[valid solar]

I do not support misery's developers but I like the game
I think that GSC in this scenario is in the legal right to DMCA misery, and that the game should go back onto the store after the issue is resolved
I think it would be beneficial if GSC themselves would come out and make a statement

[compact pier]

I'm qa, so its my job to find the true, and there are too many things that are smell bad for misery devs

[valid solar]

That isn't copyright infringement, bottom line
it's the law
The guitar track IS however

[bleak drum]

Why can't GSC just tell us

[compact pier]

Cause its Saturday dunno?

[bleak drum]

Alright but who do I bet

[compact pier]

It's not the first game that was reported by dmca to gsc

[undone plaza]

I just think all z-tard need be kiked from game platform on their loved vk plays

[foggy olive]

Usually doesn't work in weekends

[unique locust]

Why would they care? They already displayed all the plagiarism in that report for those little runts

[compact pier]

This is just popular ones

[serene barn]

can't decided if i think the Misery guitar track is the solo from Against the ionized odds, from Firelake

[coral shadow]

where the hell are the remaining votes? that's weird as hell

[bleak drum]

Well there is too much disinfo going around, would be good to hear GSC statement, maybe it could end some stuff

[valid solar]

I've listened to that song so many times, and I looked into it a bit
It was made in house, it is not from ATIO

[valid solar]

the sound team made the audio

[bleak drum]

They sometimes ad 3rd and 4th option

[foggy olive]

Oh its screen where main mod of misery serv have z icons?

[coral shadow]

uh but there isn't any

[bleak drum]

The whole server was full of stuff but they nuked everything, so its neutral now

[unique locust]

Personally I don't want gsc giving those vatnik rats any attention nor coverage

[bleak drum]

Yes but they display 2 most famous options only

[valid solar]

Well that's good

[coral shadow]

which were the other ones?

[bleak drum]

Neither wins

[compact pier]

Anyway, let's go.better in en offtop and speak about tea

[valid solar]

lets talk about cats

[unique locust]

How is them nuking evidence of themselves being bastard ztards good?

[fervent spear]

jesus, didnt not expect the dmca to affect the stalker discord this much

[coral shadow]

i dont like tea

[compact pier]

Cause im harvesting right now my mint and its so relaxing

[foggy olive]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-gif-26065989

[bleak drum]

#💬┃en_offtop

[valid solar]

Because the evidence has already been taken (we already know what happened) and it is a shift away from being a "ztard"

[unique locust]

shift
lol

[compact pier]

Sand in the eyes

To not look like z zombies

In reality - they are still z zombies

Trust me, we saw bunch of it in our chats

[weary hedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTJdpU-qXPo

[valid solar]

That's gross

[undone plaza]

And still do Z-tard and other on other communities outside discord

[compact pier]

But anyway, let's go to #💬┃en_offtop

[fierce nexus]

[weary hedge]

why is everyone so fired up about this

[valid solar]

no clue

[weary hedge]

its what usually happens when a game dev goes full corpo

they get greedy and sue happy

get over it

[valid solar]

It'll be back sooner or later prolly

[fierce nexus]

Let's keep that to off-topic

[meager crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1105384057283563540/1378028628008370176/VID_20250530180910.gif

[cyan sparrow]

Looking forward headshot sound off and new inventory

[kindred fable]

Yeah, headshot sound off is a nice feature. Don't know why they didn't make it toggleable from the beginning, considering that feature is a little bit immersion breaking for a game like that

[weary hedge]

this is exactly why i like the indie scene more

they don't get infladed heads

[serene barn]

it'll be funny if the guy actually just full on deserved the DMCA

[frosty lodge]

Lucky lucky, they’re impossible to find in the Netherlands.
Unless I order them online for €1,80 and pay €30,- for shipping

[river chasm]

I didn't mind it but this is certainly the best of both worlds. I will keep it off in the future

[frosty lodge]

Always have a must have mod enabled to disable the headshots.
Same with vignette when crouching.

[frosty lodge]

According to friends of mine who have played misery, it straight up uses music from the STALKER series if you play the guitar in-game.
There’s also a bloke on YouTube that made covers of guitar music in STALKER which is also present in the game.

[kindred fable]

I've tried to avoid mods for now, considering the game isn't finished yet. The only ones I've tried were "optimizers" but they didn't really help me in my case, lol

[coral shadow]

relatable

[frosty lodge]

Honestly, they’re definitely worth it and easy to install / remove.
Just drag and drop a .pak file into a ~mods folder on PC.

I’ve only had my game break once and that was due to a mutant HP fix.

[frosty lodge]

Tried a custom Engine.ini file?
That helped me out a ton.

[weary hedge]

did they setup ballistics gel on the range with these dome shots?

[frosty lodge]

I did my first playthrough entirely without mods, slightly modded the second and on my third and current one I’m going all out.

[kindred fable]

It's not about the difficulty of installing/deleting them, I was scared of corrupting my savefiles or not being able to use them after a small bugfix for something, stuff like that

Basically, stuff that's out of my control

[meager crag]

Yup, simply don't exist over here

[frosty lodge]

There’s a few Ukrainian supermarkets in the Netherlands but they’re mostly in the cities and very tiny or generic Eastern European markets.

[cyan sparrow]

I prefer playing vanilla, somehow i appreciate more what i get, and i cultivate it. Modding is fine but endless improvements loop is there.

[meager crag]

Never seen one tbh

[kindred fable]

In the end I just stopped trying cause the game is "playable" on my pc anyways. I just wondered if I can get a lil bit more fps but in the end I've decided that it's good enough to be able to run around and survive

[frosty lodge]

Where are you located?

[fierce nexus]

Any good mods out?

[serene barn]

yeah but given that pictures was shown for "proof" while also it saying "these aren't the actual pictures but just ones to give an idea" makes me feel like there's more. the dev has also refused or ignored people telling him to show the whole thing and not just crops.

[frosty lodge]

They’re just cropped images and not even the full claim.
There’s definitely something fishy going on and a reason why there isn’t much transparency.
Though a DMCA is quite a big thing and rightfully so.

[meager crag]

https://tenor.com/view/bjusterbaarlik-fryslan-friesland-omrop-fryslân-gif-12148281

[frosty lodge]

Honestly, only Amsterdam / Utrecht and Aalsmeer for some reason have Ukrainian or Eastern European stores.

But they either sell delicacies or just canned food

[meager crag]

Haven't seen anything in Ljouwert tbh

[weary hedge]

why do i have this strange dream where russia attacks the us

i mean that's what they want right

ever seen red dawn?

[frosty lodge]

Metro lore?

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-metro-2033-metro-exodus-metro-sweet-dreams-gif-5261264773773675639

[weary hedge]

metro and stalker are same universe right

[shell flax]

No

[bitter plover]

no

[weary hedge]

but metro even mentions stalkers

[shell flax]

And?

[bitter plover]

Stalker word is older than games

but it was deffinitely lean toward Stalker games

[weary hedge]

russia and ukraine should get back together lol

[still edge]

one psychopath is in between

[weary hedge]

the divorce is costing lives

[kindred fable]

Not gonna happen for the few generations, current generations of russians are too imperialistic for that

They just can't stop having wars with their neighbors

And no, it's not just Putins fault, many russians support that too. End of story

[still edge]

one of the parties is trying to get assets which were already settle in court.

[weary hedge]

so like russia is the new germany huh?

[still edge]

brainwash

[weary hedge]

just gathering land?

[still edge]

in been that way for a long time

[stark crescent]

eventually it was the russian military leadership telling putin he could go ahead and do it because it would be an easy victory, totally neglecting the fact their army was outdated and ill prepared, while ukraine was prepared for years due to the civil war.

[kindred fable]

Not really, it didn't get THAT bad. Not yet, at least. Doesn't mean it shouldn't be stopped tho

[still edge]

an 70% of the russian army runs on vodka, only way to cope

[weary hedge]

too much vodka will make your junk fall off

[serene barn]

i feel like STALKER was a real life term used but i'm not certain

[still edge]

the only difference with ww2 germany is that russia is much more sneaky about it

[still edge]

the Stalker culture existed after the roadside picnic book became famous

[serene barn]

or maybe S.T.A.L.K.E.R originated from the book.

[cobalt fiber]

Stop discussing the war and politics

No further warnings

#📌┃rules

[still edge]

[smoky hawk]

people who used to go to old battlefields and steal from there were names stalkers, the brothers took inspiration from this when making roadside picnic

[still edge]

oh i thought roadside picnic book was made after the chernobyl event,

[stuck seal]

Way before

Google can tell you the difference in dates

[still edge]

how effing creative it was to blend roadside picnic with chernobyl event, a match made in heaven

[kindred fable]

It has nothing to do with Chornobyl anyways. It's set in England

[smoky hawk]

Stalker isnt very tied to Roadside picnic, it is a inspiration, but not a very strong one

[stuck seal]

Honestly way worse than the cnpp

[serene barn]

didn't the book only really get popular like after 7 or so years after it came out?

[stuck seal]

It became popular a while after it released, not seven but definitely a year or two

[kindred fable]

All I know is that I found out about it because of stalker, lol (and then I've read some other stuff from the brothers, I really enjoy their universes. Especially in their latest books)

[shell flax]

Nope, it’s in an English speaking country but it isn’t specified where iirc

[kindred fable]

Ah, my mistake. Thought it's England for all that time

[stuck seal]

It’s set in Birmingham

[shell flax]

I’ve seen people joke it’s set in Michigan and all I can think is

Damn they upgraded

[serene barn]

apparently the Yotutube channel of Chernobylite, has a video on the meaning of Stalker

[weary hedge]

I hate abreviations like cyberpunk2077 (CP2077) those that know...

[kindred fable]

What do you mean? I love CP

[stuck seal]

Who doesn’t love Cod Point

[weary hedge]

when was the last time you were on the darkweb

[cobalt fiber]

🤨

[weary hedge]

abort mission abort

charlie foxtrot

[valid solar]

I got 1400 cp saved up (i dont even play)

[weary hedge]

how much for an hk416

[kindred fable]

(I'm actually not a fan of Cyberpunk2077, that was just a joke)

[limber spruce]

You got 1400 what saved up

[stuck seal]

Honestly people talking about UE5 and hardware and yada yada kinda pointless, yeah criticism is good but at some point you’re gonna be going around in circles. Instead we should discuss new and fresh topics, like how GSC should go deep into Bob the Foreigner’s backstory and lore

[valid solar]

Irl or what

[weary hedge]

it's an aquired taste

irl

[valid solar]

Irl theyre like 2.7k iirc

[shell flax]

3-5 thousand dollars

I’m not kidding

[weary hedge]

I need a hold out pistol, like an ankle bracelet

something compact

[valid solar]

They're WAY cheaper where im at

[kindred fable]

There's nothing to acquire tho, it's just a better Far Cry game in a Cyberpunk setting. Sure, it's better than Far Cry but it is still just a Far Cry game, basically

[shell flax]

You want an H&K gun? You best turn your wallet inside out

[stuck seal]

Far cry is a low bar

Then again, far cry somehow does stealth better than stalker 2

[valid solar]

Getting a name brand gun in general these days is expensive

[weary hedge]

game pass lets you play all the farcries btw

im on xbox side

[shell flax]

Palmetto State Armory is still decent pricing

Good luck with Zastava or Arsenal though if you’re an AK fan

[kindred fable]

Stalker 2 without A-Life is also a far cry game, btw... A little bit better in some stuff (it has actual inventory), worse in some other (stealth) but still a far cry game...

[shell flax]

And KUSA went under… last year I believe so lol

[stuck seal]

She game on my pass till i

THIRTY BUCKS A MONTH!!!!?????

[valid solar]

That's their whole thing though lmao

[serene barn]

having played 3,4,5 and 6. how is it Far Cry?

[cobalt fiber]

Stealth is pretty bad in far cry too tbh

[kindred fable]

Man, I need my daily dosage of begging for A-Life 2.0 to be something similar to A-Life from original games

[cobalt fiber]

But Stalker is not comparable. Far Cry is literally about liberation and the gameplay loop is almost entirely different to Stalker

With or without a life

[valid solar]

There's no good budget ak clones tbh

[compact pier]

Here its 7 bucks

[stuck seal]

Every open world game is far cry if you squint at it long enough

[shell flax]

PSA

[compact pier]

So its solid deal

[weary hedge]

I say make it $20

[valid solar]

PSA is good but not for my tastes

[unreal gull]

well i'd argue that's because far cry has a good open world structure

[kindred fable]

Basically, it's an openworld action game where all you do is story missions and clearing camps. The big difference is the level of detail in the environments and being able to have different combat builds, something like that. I expected it to have more RPG stuff, basically. Instead it's just a pretty linear action game where your choices rarely matter

[stuck seal]

Far cry 3 has a good structure the rest don’t

And far cry 2 of course

[valid solar]

Where I'm at, there's literally zero firearm restrictions besides requiring a license, so you can own pretty much anything and that's exactly what me and my dad like to do lmao

[weary hedge]

I really enjoyed getting maleria in farcry 2

[unreal gull]

far cry 4 and 5 are also good

[shell flax]

Truthfully I just want some sort of Saiga type gun. Likely eyeing a JTS and I’ll just try and find after market parts to fix her up

[weary hedge]

musquitos killed me

[stuck seal]

Zone mosquitoes when

[valid solar]

My local store has some for some reason
They sell m249s too, deadass

[kindred fable]

Nope, minecraft or kingdom come deliverance aren't far cry like

[stuck seal]

Wdym they’re literally far cry, I’ve been squinting at them for two years

[shell flax]

Same, I saw a full Barrett once too

[valid solar]

Same here lol

[cobalt fiber]

Saying Stalker is “Farcry” like is like comparing all RPGs to each other

[weary hedge]

you lay down to use a barrett

[valid solar]

I hate the "what do you need (blank) gun for" argument but genuinely, what do you need an m249 for

[weary hedge]

not crouch

[stuck seal]

It’s mostly satire

[still edge]

stalker is basically GTA in ukraine

[shell flax]

Nah, you can shoulder fire em standing. If you have good stance and can handle a haymaker to the shoulder you can even move doing it.

[weary hedge]

blood dragon was funny

[serene barn]

i quit over that when i borrowed a copy from the library.

[valid solar]

Doesn't mean you should

[weary hedge]

lol "borrowed"

[valid solar]

Shits heavy asf

[serene barn]

i don't think i feel like that's remotely narrow enough to compare the games to Far Cry

[stuck seal]

Stalker is basically cult of the lamb but in ukraine (idk what cult of the lamb is)

[kindred fable]

I mean, it's just an exaggeration. Of course it isn't Far Cry and of course CP2077 isn't Far Cry either. But, me thinks, both of these lack many things that would make them truly special. (CP2077 is still pretty close to a typical ubisoft game tho, imo)

[unreal gull]

brother

oh wait its ragebait, almost fell for it

[weary hedge]

I feel like there was more effort in cp2077 though

[still edge]

stalker is game inspired in the works of GRR martin , harry potter The two towers

[stuck seal]

True

[bitter plover]

its close only if you generalise/simplify their gameplay A LOT. ITs far from it

[unreal gull]

well they had 5 years to correct everything, i'd say GSC has made more changes to stalker 2 in the first year in terms of updates than CD project red did for 2077

[stuck seal]

CoP is just Witcher 3 but with a few extra steps

[bitter plover]

recent Ubi games actualy wanted to be like Witcher. And Cybepunk is Witcher in FPS with better combat. So if anything, then Ubi games would be close to Cyberpunk, but worse. NOt other way

[valid solar]

Tbf im sure cdpr was workingon everything all at once

[bitter plover]

thats true. BUt to be fair, cyberpunk was far more broken

[unreal gull]

honestly cyberpunk is just futuristic far cry ✌️

[kindred fable]

I get it but I dunno, openworld felt so fuсkin empty in CP2077. Especially with all of these npcs respawning at the same spots over and over again. Clearing all these camps felt like playing a typical ubisoftlike openworld game too. The fact that your choices rarely matter in the main story is also kinda sad, the fact that you can't even join any faction and do some quests for them is also kinda meh. I dunno, the game's just a typical openworld action game with some sprinkles of good stuff here and there, it has a very good presentation, that's all

[unreal gull]

they probably started the witcher 4 development around those times

[serene barn]

No i meant it. Here its a service that we can borrow medias like books, cds, dvds, blueray, console games on disc etc. you gotta have a card for it or use your social security card.I suppose maybe loan is a better word but still

[sweet heart]

Same goes for GSC with DLCs, zonekit, engine update, patches

[stuck seal]

Libraries used to be so cool

[unreal gull]

yeah its not really a fair comparison in the first place, one is more buggier the other is just missing features

[bitter plover]

Uhh. You know that UBI games copied CDPR in past decade of their games?

[bitter plover]

yeah

[stuck seal]

Ubisoft open world games just feel really bad imo

[valid solar]

Yup

[kindred fable]

Maybe, I haven't played witcher games. My point is that I've played some of the ubisoft games and cyberpunk felt pretty similar (but better), that's all

[unreal gull]

at the start it was good, but they just milked it a bunch to the point where it wasnt good anymore

[stuck seal]

Assassins creed, far cry, breakpoint, they all don’t feel good

[weary hedge]

also why kielbasa

[bitter plover]

They are mid. Good for casuals, not good for gamers. Their biggest letdowns are always mid story and repetitive gameplay

[weary hedge]

no one wants a sausage in there mouth

[unreal gull]

what?

[stuck seal]

Speak for yourself

[bitter plover]

Yeah. They basicaly shifted their games to be more simmilar to witcher 3. They are bad at it, so they are just worse

[stuck seal]

I for one always loot sausages whenever I find them in the zone

[unreal gull]

i eat every single sausage i come across in the zone

[stuck seal]

Yeah processed meat isn’t healthy but neither is constant bread

[weary hedge]

it's stupid funny finding a sausage laying on the ground

[stuck seal]

My lunch

[unreal gull]

yeah im sure processed meat is the thing you should be worrying about in the zone

[weary hedge]

suddenly sausage

[serene barn]

Might be fine if you just peel the skin off lol

[stuck seal]

Between bread and sausage sausage is my choice, eating only bread will mess you up

[kindred fable]

I just hope that they are truly willing to implement a good A-Life system and it's not just a marketing term for their cool NPC spawner

[weary hedge]

just rando sausage laying in the grass

[valid solar]

Yes

[serene barn]

It would be kinda lame to die of something like that instead of in a gunfight or by mutants

[stuck seal]

Well make sure you don’t get too close to garbage and those bandits, they’ve got a lot of meat over there……

[kindred fable]

Cause yeah, A-Life is what'll make Stalker 2 a classic for me if they'll implement it correctly

Currently it just feels like "just another one openworld game"

[weary hedge]

oof

[kindred fable]

Yummy in my tummy

[unreal gull]

honestly the best way i've heard stalker 2 be described is "stalker 2 is what a stalker game would be if it was developed by ubisoft"

[frail rapids]

Soo true lmao

[valid solar]

Honestly all of the above are lame lmao

[stuck seal]

The exploration, story, combat, and survival feeling is what makes stalker 2 still a very enjoyable game. A life would make it a lot better but that’s not what I’m putting 100% of my judgement in

[valid solar]

I think its all in the atmosphere

[stuck seal]

I mean yeah it is all in the atmosphere, without that we would be dead

[unreal gull]

i mean the atmosphere is fine tbh

it feels like modern stalker, but it doesnt feel like THAT kind of modern that you see in most slop released today

[valid solar]

I think older games did it better but stalker 2 still does really really good atmospherically
Problem is, alot of factors like a-life feed into the atmosphere

[kindred fable]

I mean, that's what I'm saying when I'm comparing it to Far Cry, yea

[weary hedge]

doom the dark ages looks cool maybe ill install that and give it a try

[stuck seal]

We need atmospheric anomalies, not just airborne, but ones that go right below or even beyond the stratosphere and make satellites and such useless

[serene barn]

You’re right, go home, get wife, die old

[stuck seal]

But you’ll have none of those because you’ll leave broke

[valid solar]

The feeling of walking through an irradiated forest after a gunfight and finding a dude who got back from hunting, so you fork over 100 roubles to stop the bleeding, and you come across the remains and shell casings of his hunting post as you continue home
A wild mongrel barks off in the distance and you reload your trusty AKM
THAT to me is what makes stalker so unique

[stuck seal]

Getting out safely means spending most of not all your money

[valid solar]

Exactly

[foggy olive]

but there are no rubles in Stalker

[stuck seal]

I think they mean trilogy

[foggy olive]

Oh

[kindred fable]

There's nothing special in the exploration, combat, survival or story aspects in Stalker 2, imo. There are many games that do every single one of these elements better. Zone itself? Maybe, it's kinda cool, I can agree with that but still... There are no openworld shooters that have an A-Life like system except for original stalker games (and some indie game I've found a few weeks ago but it's about furries, unfortunately, lol) so yeah, that's what makes it truly special for me

[serene barn]

STALKER 2’s economy is basically a crypto currency

[unreal gull]

comparing the original trilogy to stalker 2 would be like comparing old fallout to new fallout

[stuck seal]

Stalkers economy is basically a cryptocurrency

Soviet Rubles in the trilogy were not actual rubles

[valid solar]

I really wish they just changed it to roubles or something lmao

[stuck seal]

It would be the same thing anyway

[shell flax]

In the current environment?

Good luck with that

[serene barn]

Honestly i like the idea of the currency being virtual as its less to haul around

[valid solar]

Idk just seeing coupons is weird to me

[stuck seal]

And it can’t be affected by the outside world

[weary hedge]

why am i even bothering doing jobs for anyone I should just get rage and commit murder...

[foggy olive]

so far the system looks identical to the previous parts, we are waiting for the development of something new

[kindred fable]

Not at all. In original games NPCs didn't despawn if you move far away from them

[valid solar]

I think the exploration, especially with unique items is way better, just saying
Finding the rusty ak in the pond <3

[shell flax]

The maps weren’t big enough to do that

[stuck seal]

Most rpg games in the genre usually have enemies with levels and health bars, and your gun has its own level and numbers that you have to juggle just to kill basic enemies, I know not EVERY rpg game is like that but it’s many

[foggy olive]

you are wrong, that's how it worked, it's just that the location world was and is many times smaller

[kindred fable]

It's not about the size of the map, probably, but about the amount of NPCs. Anomaly can simulate hundreds of squads simultaneously with no issues meanwhile S2 can't have more than 30-40? Doesn't make sense, hope they'll fix it, that's all

[valid solar]

Anomaly is a mod gang

[kindred fable]

I am not wrong

[stuck seal]

A mod from an old game

[valid solar]

Yes
An amazing mod

[shell flax]

anomaly

You mean the project that has been updated, tuned and altered so much that isn’t even the same thing anymore

[stuck seal]

Meaning Lots of time to work on it

[valid solar]

Yup

The original games all spawned stuff lol

[stuck seal]

Stalker 2 is still in progress, meanwhile mods for the trilogy have had their time already

[foggy olive]

Do you understand that anomaly are not an original part of Stalker and never were?

[valid solar]

Sometimes literally feet away

[still edge]

can GSC put a dating app like Tinder in S2?

[kindred fable]

It doesn't even matter, I used it as an example of a game based on a modified xray engine that can do something that S2 doesn't currently. Original games never had a good implementation of A-Life but it already had all the code that just works in the mods, it only needed a few modifications. Not a whole implementation

[stuck seal]

Grindr

[weary hedge]

they're not even anomalies there an ac-130 making red mist

[foggy olive]

if you downloaded the stalker trilogy, go as far as possible, the enemies will also disappear

[valid solar]

Can we date Hip from anomaly and make her canon

[unreal gull]

to me, stalker is like walking into a strangers home. You dont know anything about anyone, you dont know where anything is, what happens in there, if its dangerous or not except for whatever news you might hear about that has occured in the home before. YOU are a stranger in a much stranger world, where you're not special and no one is special, it lives completely separate from you and it acts as it pleases without your consideration. Sure you play as some main character, however in terms of gameplay you're just another stalker going around (until the end game of course), you can die as easily as anyone else.

[valid solar]

Anomaly's ai actually move around the zone, they dont usually despawn

[kindred fable]

I know it

[shell flax]

Her story is genuinely slop

[valid solar]

Fr
Goonerbait

[stuck seal]

To me, stalker is like walking in to a bar with three other guys and the bartender goes-

[kindred fable]

They don't

[still edge]

Alife is the core unique features thats distinguishes the saga from any other game

[foggy olive]

We are talk about stalker not mods

[kindred fable]

They didn't despawn in original games either (except for some special cases like the way blowouts work in CS)

[stuck seal]

They despawned when I took my pills

[valid solar]

Why are there literally zero women in stalker
I could definitely see very small amounts but there's NONE in the originals
But tbf I wouldn't exactly be thrilled to enter a zone with an acronym of the most nasty people to exist if I was a girl

[kindred fable]

There are women in stalker 2

[valid solar]

Like 3 bartenders

[kindred fable]

Your initial statement is still incorrect

[stuck seal]

There are no women in stalker 2, they’re all Sidorovich in disguise as he steals everyone’s money

[shell flax]

Models have been found but that’s really it for female stalkers

Truthfully I don’t care either way, gun fights go a bit quick to identity if you’re being shot at by a guy or girl

[valid solar]

Me neither, just a little bit uncanny lol

Also the english va for stalker two besides skif is ass

[stuck seal]

I think instead of female this and female that, loners and bandits in stalker 2 should have slightly more identifiable clothing so you can tell them apart in a moments notice

[foggy olive]

From what I remember, stalkers disappeared in the clear sky

[unique locust]

Its gonna be Grindr because its all dudes

[stuck seal]

And the friendly bandits should also dress differently

[valid solar]

I agree

[kindred fable]

You can literally see all the faction war squads on the map at all times, they are as persistent as it gets

[stuck seal]

Actually no, bandits should be shirtless and loners should be pantsless, that’ll help the player identify them better

[unreal gull]

they get enough radiation as it is

[foggy olive]

you see points on the map but not shapes through binoculars because if you stand at the other end of the map you can't see them

[unique locust]

How massive should the dongers be. Or is that based on NPC experience? Veteran stalker get massive dongers

[valid solar]

Yup

[unreal gull]

well yeah it would make the game a laggy mess

[stuck seal]

They all wear baggy underwear so we can’t tell

[unique locust]

Sad

[foggy olive]

in the call of pripyat original part (not reprint) the bubble is 150 meters

[kindred fable]

Wait, did you really think I'm talking about infinite online A-Life bubble or something? Of course their simulation is simplified if you are 150m away from them, that's not my point, lmao

[stuck seal]

Or they all wear Speedo’s

[kindred fable]

What I meant is that in Stalker 2 they don't just disappear from your online bubble after 150 meters, they'll also despawn from your offline bubble after 1-2 kms

[weary hedge]

"there's no sex in your violence"

[kindred fable]

And they'll never come back after that

[serene barn]

i'd love it if there was like some female stalkers in 2, in the field.

[dense condor]

No that ruins the game.

[stuck seal]

I’d love if you can kiss enemy factions in the field

[unreal gull]

mods

[weary hedge]

If you do not allow them in your world than your world wont exist

[serene barn]

it really wouldn't lmao. people just wanna say that they're not this or that and thus shouldn't be there but those are just bad excuses

[weary hedge]

plane a simple

[valid solar]

Exactly

[foggy olive]

I didn't check 2 km but they stayed for more than 500 meters.

[unreal gull]

criminals and hundreds of people are coming into the zone illegally

[stuck seal]

Maybe there should be an April fools event where there are women in the field except if you talk to them they rip off their suit and reveal they were male bandits the whole time

[valid solar]

that would be insanely funny

[stuck seal]

Like some looney tunes thing

[obtuse lodge]

Yo is there any way to use craftable zone on xbox? I cant move the cursor and i dont have a mouse i could use

[valid solar]

nope

[obtuse lodge]

🙁

[unreal gull]

im going to praha from the 19th to the 22nd, any heads up if any of you have been there before?

[kindred fable]

Yes, they do stay on the map for some distance (a pretty big one too, not gonna lie). Still, they are not persistent because of the chunk based system that Stalker 2 uses for storing info about the squads. Basically, in original games the info about squads is stored forever, in Stalker 2 there are multiple ways to wipe that info, including fast traveling to the other side of the map

[foggy olive]

will have to test

[kindred fable]

Yet again, I'm not saying that the system in original games is perfect. It isn't. That's why I'm comparing Stalker 2 to mods most of the time because all the modders did is modifying the system that already exists. Meanwhile it looks like that system is simply not present in Stalker 2 at the moment so the modders will have to implement it from zero if they want results like in the original games. Will they do it if GSC won't do it? I doubt it. That's why I want GSC themselves to implement a good A-Life system, that's all

Sorry for my broken english too, hope it's understandable enough

[unreal gull]

valid criticism vs game development company, who wins??

[foggy olive]

I'll look for a video but it seems there's a video where they recorded that they're no longer being removed from the game since some patch.

[kindred fable]

Yet again, there is some offline A-Life simulation at this time. It's still far from being like original system and it's not just about persistence. It's also about the way NPCs spawn on the map, what they do, etc. Currently it looks like the game is literally spawning stuff only around the player, it doesn't repopulate the zone naturally

[foggy olive]

because her bubble is only 100 meters, for a more natural look you need at least 150-400 meters