☢┃stalker-general

[fallen latch]

Pfft, i wish it was that easy

[hallow shadow]

But it is.

[fallen latch]

Alright again I try

[hoary crest]

Install OXA, super based mod

[fallen latch]

Insert the definition of insanity here

[hallow shadow]

Just gotta find the mod. (It’s BB compatible)

[fallen latch]

Nooo then it's easy, im doing vet for a reason

[shrewd needle]

I'm on v1.1.3...is there an old version of it available?

[hoary crest]

Probably yeah

[thin apex]

i randomly got an svd suppressor near like zaton swmamps or whatever and I was like wtf is this I don't ever even touch the svd and it got stashed for eternity
I just wanted an aks74M supressor

[hoary crest]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/939?tab=files Yep

[shrewd needle]

Probably with updates; in v1.1.3, you can't find one. Not AFAIK.

[hoary crest]

Might have some limitations compared to the current version, but should work

Being able to swap more sights and parts onto guns is a game changer

Let alone being able to buy more attachments at traders

[shrewd needle]

Uh...which version do I get, though? And which file? The archive has a shit-ton of files.

[hallow shadow]

I literally just want an open collimator on the AKS.

That’s it. Red dot on bigger AK.

[shrewd needle]

You can't, unfortunately, in vanilla. Only the PSO.

[fallen latch]

This is ridiculous
Literally dumping mags of ap 45 from the vectorr into it and its not blowing up

[hallow shadow]

Gotta wait for OXA, I guess.
I like my little AKU, but…

[shrewd needle]

Are you playing vanilla or with better Ballistics?

[fallen latch]

Vanilla, I don't mod this game

[hoary crest]

No idea tbh, you'd be best off asking in his comments or just trying various versions and seeing what works (ofc make a hardsave first, but it wont brick your save taking it out again)

[shrewd needle]

Then get a VSS Vintorez, load up on 9 X 39, fire away. VSS is basically your high-damage rifle in vanilla S2.

[hoary crest]

You should tbh

[fallen latch]

Mmmeh, would get similar results
Or i should have fixed and brought a dnipro

[shrewd needle]

Ah, forgor Oxide is here...

[hoary crest]

Only with 'stendo mag ngl

[fallen latch]

Why does everyone rant about better ballistics?

[shrewd needle]

Even without, it's still got the highest damage in the AR category.

[fallen latch]

I didn't want smth with a scope anyway

[hoary crest]

Because it makes guns behave like guns instead of arbitrary progression ticks

[fallen latch]

Dnipro?

[shrewd needle]

No...in vanilla, the VSS beats the shit out of any other weapon that's not a dedicated sniper rifle.

[hoary crest]

Thats why you also install OXA

[fallen latch]

Hard disagree

[shrewd needle]

Check the damage bar. And try it out on Bloodsuckers.

[fallen latch]

The bullet drop is bad, and the damage falls off mid game

[hoary crest]

Can confirm, the Vintorez carried me through my first playthrough, and I did the hard ending

[fallen latch]

And its only got a 20 round mag

[shrewd needle]

Again, it has got the highest damage, so unless you want to spend 100 rounds shooting at one enemy, I suggest the Vintorez.

[hallow shadow]

BB rebalances your weapons. Damage is based on caliber/barrel length/ ammo type.

Not “tier 1/tier 2/ etc”

[shrewd needle]

All the ARs, even the PKM, have extremely shit damage.

[fallen latch]

Sounds logical i suppose

[fallen latch]

Have you ever used the dnipro upgraded?

[hallow shadow]

BB makes it so that the AKS (5.45) does the same damage as Dnipro, (5.45)

[shrewd needle]

Yes.

All the sniper rifles in this game have damages that far beat the AR damages. The Malyuk is an AR, so it gets the same treatment as other ARs...bad damage.

VSS is basically your AR in vanilla S2.

[hallow shadow]

I would love to have an upgraded Dnipro.
Just start clicking heads.

[hoary crest]

Another easy to get weapon... Buuuuuut.. You will be spending a LOT of koupons on it in repairs and upgrades

[shrewd needle]

Better Ballistics or bust.

[hoary crest]

Always

[hallow shadow]

That’s what I was told.
Get to the tower, but don’t be poor.

[shrewd needle]

Honestly, though...I hate the PSO scope. I can't use that reticle for shit; I prefer something simpler than the markings all over the glass.

[fallen latch]

Sure bro

[hoary crest]

He's right tho

[shrewd needle]

I mean, others can confirm what I say.

[hallow shadow]

PSO?

[hoary crest]

😄 Someone never plays DayZ and it shows

[shrewd needle]

The scope on the SVD/SVU/AK/Vintorez/VAL.

[hallow shadow]

Ahhh. Those scopes are nice, to me.

[fallen latch]

He is not, the dnipro is the best ar in vanilla s2 even before the 7.62 mod idk how you lot think a dmr with a 20 round mag is better suited to the Faust fight

[shrewd needle]

Yea, but I don't like the reticles...I prefer the normal + sign reticles, like the Gauss Rifle.

[hallow shadow]

You just gotta know how to read them.
Like an ACOG. Everything on that scope is meant for a certain distance.

[fallen latch]

They're there for a reason

[hallow shadow]

Fair. I’m indoctrinated.
It’s easier for me to say, than for other to do.

[shrewd needle]

I'm not talking about the distance marker, I'm talking about the arrow that's at the center...I don't like the arrow, I prefer either a dot or just an intersecting +.

[hoary crest]

The best weapon for the Faust fight is the RPG. The Dnipro is good (but only for an AR), in terms of damage output vs the snipers, its mid

[hallow shadow]

That delta is my baby. That’s kinda how the ACOG looks.

[shrewd needle]

7.62 is as bad in vanilla; have you seen the damage of the PKM?

[hoary crest]

Its also massively unavaliable

[fallen latch]

I can't rn man how is a 3 damage bar 30 round mag assault rifle worse than the vss

[hoary crest]

Because the listed stats arent the whole story

[shrewd needle]

And where you going to find 7.62 X 54 mmR? You think it grows on trees?

[hoary crest]

Test it. Bring both and shoot a Monolithian, tell me which one kills him faster

[hoary crest]

Dnipro doesnt shoot x54, its x39 (with the conversion, which you cant get in vanilla at the point you're fighting Faust)

[shrewd needle]

They changed it in 1.5, didn't they? They removed X39 from the game, so now it shoots X54.

[hoary crest]

Huh?

[fallen latch]

Ok i finished the fight by spamming grenades, wow

[hoary crest]

I'm still finding x39 in the latest patch

[shrewd needle]

Maybe BB? Doesn't exist in vanilla, or so the patch notes say.

[hoary crest]

I would be surprised

[fallen latch]

If you say so

[fallen latch]

Im finding it in vanilla, its not BB

[hallow shadow]

UI stats actually are janky, since like 1.4

[frigid hill]

voracity_t has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[shrewd needle]

Huh, I read that it was removed in patch 1.5.

[fallen latch]

It should have been, just a bug

[hoary crest]

It doesnt make sense for an AR to fire x54r, thats a hugemungous round

[quaint rampart]

I am a degenerate iron sight enjoyer

[shrewd needle]

This shows the change.

https://www.stalker2.com/news/patch-1-5
Reworked ammo for machine guns and sniper rifles:

• replaced 762x39 MM ammo with 762x54 MM ammo

[fallen latch]

And im happy about it coz it's good to sell

[quaint rampart]

Except for night time

[hallow shadow]

Even the Author of Better Ballistics mentions it, in the mod description.
UI stats are not reliable, for vanilla.
(That’s how I interpreted it, you’d have to ask Kazz, themself)

[shrewd needle]

These are the official patch 1.5 notes.

[hoary crest]

Nah, thats just one of the versions of x39 I beleive

[fallen latch]

Right, well I'll whip out a vss and see how it does against the next corundum suited monolithian isee, and test it against a dnipro

[hallow shadow]

That Vanilla VSS is going to SHRED

[shrewd needle]

Then I have no idea; I'm still on 1.1.3, so BB fixes the PKM for me with 7.62 X 54 mmR and the Malyuk stays X 39, just like IRL.

[fallen latch]

Last i used it, it was good up until mid game, the damage is good but at that point it just doesn't 1hk head snymore and its time to move on

[hallow shadow]

IIRC, vanilla 9x39AP is OP-af

[fallen latch]

It is
Only in the rhino

[shrewd needle]

TBF, in vanilla, I have had Bandits taking shots to the head while unarmoured, so, uh...might need AP rounds.

Yes, the 9 X 39.

[hallow shadow]

But with Better Ballistics, even SOFMOD can become an endgame weapon.

[fallen latch]

I do wish sofmod was better

[hoary crest]

Everything is an endgame weapon with Better Ballistics

[shrewd needle]

I hate the SOFMOD because it's only a red-dot and I can't add the X2 scope to it.

And the ACOG has the same problem as the PSO.

[hallow shadow]

If you only get one mod, Morri, make it Better Ballistics.

[fallen latch]

Can't post images here, ugh

[shrewd needle]

#📸┃screens_and_videos, link here.

[fallen latch]

Ill try it next playthrougj

Its there

[hallow shadow]

I like it FOR the red dot.

Although, o can see why you dislike ACOG.

[shrewd needle]

Don't worry...you'll die a lot. Feel the difference QUITE literally. 😏

[hoary crest]

Just install it mid playthrough, it wont brick anything, if you dont like it, take it out

[fallen latch]

I know , but im playing a full vet vanilla run rn so I don't wanna break the streak

[shrewd needle]

No, I mean the dot like the brown X2 scope has. Or the holographic/collimater sights.

The arrow/notch is a major nuisance in both scopes. The X8 is pure dream.

[fallen latch]

Wish it wasn't brown, matches literally nothing

[hoary crest]

btw Amn' if you're on an old version you don't have the Mosin or Kora do you?

[shrewd needle]

Neither does any other gun. 😏

[shrewd needle]

Nope. Neither of them.

[hoary crest]

Brother update your game 😄

The Mosin is goated

[hallow shadow]

I don’t understand that “arrow is bad”, because I’ve exclusively operated with a 4x optic (ACOG/M145) for my military career.

The weird circular reticle of the Holo/2x weird me out.

[hoary crest]

Tbh so is the Kora, Kora looks spectacular too

[hallow shadow]

I’m wish the 2x was just a dot.

[hoary crest]

Reticule mod 😄

[fallen latch]

Huh? I know no guns match the optic, that's what im saying

[hallow shadow]

I’m a console peasant 😮‍💨

[fallen latch]

I brought literally 3 times as much ammo as I needed to the Faust fight, oh well

[shrewd needle]

I don't want to; I've had plenty of crashes and other things and before that, the game wouldn't even launch.

I don't want to update and be left with an unusable game.

[hoary crest]

Yeah idk what is and what isnt avaliable on console

[hoary crest]

Thats fair

[hallow shadow]

Not much. There’s like a dozen and a half?

[fallen latch]

What version r u on..?

[shrewd needle]

I know; I'm saying that the other games have parts that don't match either at times. And some of the guns have colours that make you more of a target than less.

[hallow shadow]

But some are the same mods, but to varying degrees.

[shrewd needle]

v1.1.3.

[hoary crest]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/882 see if this is avaliable

[fallen latch]

Oh
My
God
You're missing out on a lot

[shrewd needle]

I'd rather have a working game than a broken one. That's why I haven't updated.

[hallow shadow]

You’re running not 1.5?

[fallen latch]

I've had no issues, what are you playing on?

[shrewd needle]

Like I said, I've already had problems with this version and also the GPU driver (Intel's drivers are top-tier garbage).

[hallow shadow]

A 90’s IBM?

[fallen latch]

I second that

[shrewd needle]

i5-11400. Intel Arc A750. 40 GB RAM (was 12 GB before).

[fallen latch]

Eesh, well
I'd think updates would help performance, not harm it
Have you heard any intel-specific issues?

[hallow shadow]

My Series S chugs this game like water.
I’m almost positive your PC can handle it.

[hoary crest]

40Gb of ram? Thats uhhh, a weird number

[hallow shadow]

That’s a big number.

They make those?

[hoary crest]

Yes, but also it usually scales by multiples of 8

[fallen latch]

I have 20 gb on my old laptop

[quaint rampart]

Strange numbers

[fallen latch]

A 16 and a leftover 4, lol

[shrewd needle]

Was 12 before (8 + 4), as I said. Got a 32 GB stick, so...8 + 32.

[hoary crest]

I wouldnt imagine that works very well 😄

[fallen latch]

Can never have enough ram

[shrewd needle]

I'm pretty sure they make 256 GB sticks these days.

[fallen latch]

Need thems chrome tabs

[hoary crest]

Bruh I need me some of those

[tall hawk]

you have a single 32 GB stick and an 8GB stick paired up?

[shrewd needle]

DDR5-only, I think.

[hallow shadow]

I haven’t built or played a PC since WoW WotLK dropped.

[hoary crest]

time to dump 3 grand on a new PC 😬

[shrewd needle]

Yes.

[hallow shadow]

Actually, last time I had my own PC built was when Doom 3/ R6 Ravenshield were benchmark games.

[shrewd needle]

Preach, friend. Can't ever have enough RAM.

My PC is an office PC that, uh...'got upgraded' over the years.

[tall hawk]

so long as it's dual-channel

[shrewd needle]

Well...8 + 32 = 16 in DC, rest in SC.

[tall hawk]

I hear that quad-channel RAM is unstable, at least compared to dual-channel

[hallow shadow]

You guys remember when Doom 3 was the biggest graphics ever?

[shrewd needle]

21 years ago.

[hallow shadow]

I was just a teenager.

[shrewd needle]

I have only 2 slots. Can have, at most, 64 GB. Of course, monies are a problem, so I use 8 + 32, since that's what I have.

[hallow shadow]

I was in middle school, playing it on OG Xbox

[shrewd needle]

You mean 8, since 4 of those will go in the 5090. Or 10,000 for an RTX 6000 Pro.

And then the rest of the parts.

[fallen latch]

Could saybthay again, I've got some msi laptop with a 4060 and an i7 that runs at 90 degrees without my cooler, lol

[tall hawk]

The year is 2004, a new DOOM game releases with a major leap in graphics technology and significant gameplay differences compared to previous installments

The year is 2025, a new DOOM game releases with a major leap in graphics technology and significant gameplay differences compared to previous installments

[hallow shadow]

Man.

[shrewd needle]

I used a stock cooler on my i5-11400 till a tiny plastic clip broke.

Had to go from 4.4 GHz with Turbo to 1.8 GHz just to not melt.

Then got a DeepCool AG400.

[hallow shadow]

I wish Doom 3 would get remade.
Nice and good-like. id software would make BANK

[shrewd needle]

TBF, Dark Ages didn't sell as much and being RT-only works against it.

[hallow shadow]

Dark Ages was doodoo. In my opinion.

[shrewd needle]

People don't like horror Doom (and I love Doom 3 and hate 2016 and after).

Though, NGL, 2016 was a REFINED game.

[fallen latch]

Oh no, phew tho

[hallow shadow]

I liked 2016/Eternal.
But Doom 3 was what I always felt it should’ve been.

[fallen latch]

Oh my god burers are MISERABLE in vet mode
Their levitating guns nearly instakill you

[floral elm]

Doom series is such a banger, especially the last 3 games all beyon d delicered

[shrewd needle]

Better Ballistics makes it even better. 😏

I had to retry the Volkhov AA Complex like...10 times.

[nimble shore]

kill them fast

[tall hawk]

last 3 games basically each redefined FPS games in their own way

[shrewd needle]

You can't, in Volkhov, unless you know where the Burer is.

[tall hawk]

burers are chill af

[hallow shadow]

I was disappointed in Dark Ages, but Doom has been SOLID for pretty much before I was born.

Nevermind. I’m older than Doom.

[tall hawk]

crazy to think that Eternal is 5 years old

[hallow shadow]

By like a couple years.

[shrewd needle]

You're an antique, then.

[tall hawk]

like there are mfs younger than DOOM Eternal

[shrewd needle]

Eternal was 2020, though...

[hallow shadow]

The term you are looking for is “Classic”

[shrewd needle]

No, the game is classic. You're just an antique.

[hallow shadow]

I’ll still fold you like a lawn chair.
But you right.
I’m old, now.

[floral elm]

True I love how each new installment added something new with 2016, eternal and dark ages

[fallen latch]

This one has taken 5 rhino headshots and multiple saiga slugs and keeps going, no he aint

[fallen latch]

Sounds like a blast

[hoary crest]

Vintage, mate

[shrewd needle]

Here's some consolation...I'm an antique too. 😏

[hallow shadow]

2016 had me so hyped.
“It’s the first game, but modernized”

[tall hawk]

bro just offer him a drink he'll be chill with it

[fallen latch]

Lemme try that rn ong

[hoary crest]

Yes, but also they die faster (so do you tho)

[shrewd needle]

Use Skif's Makarov; they can't pull that out of your hands and it has really high damage to take the Burer out as long as it's unshielded.

[hallow shadow]

“Can we drink this out?”
New meaning to shot-for-shot.

[hoary crest]

ahh yes, the power pistol strikes again 😄

[hallow shadow]

Faust Alternate Quest, Drinking Game.

[shrewd needle]

He's playing vanilla, so...besides, even in BB, it can't pull the pistol out, so...

[tall hawk]

I wonder if it's canonically possible to "enchant" weapons with artifacts

[hallow shadow]

Yup. They can’t yank Skif’s pistol.

[hoary crest]

Nah, I'd win. Genetically engineered zone profit vs scraggly cornishman? He has no chance 😄

[tall hawk]

like imagine getting incendiary rounds putting a fire artifact on your gun

[hallow shadow]

Scraggly cornishman. God dammit.
Was NOT expecting that.

[tall hawk]

or make it so your gun can't be stolen by burers by putting some gravity artifacts

[shrewd needle]

In older games, some of the weapons had artifacts in them. No longer in S2.

[hallow shadow]

Like weapon grease, in dark souls.
Slam an artifact into your magazine well, click-clack, and fight back.

[hoary crest]

Idk if it was a game update that changed it or if its OXA/BB, but I can put Skifs pistol in the box now (thank god)

[hallow shadow]

BB made an effort to balance Skif’s pistol.

[shrewd needle]

OXA, probably, unless BB messed around.

It's a quest item, and BB can't do that for me, I'm still stuck with it.

TBF, I'd still prefer it to be locked, just for Burers.

[hoary crest]

I despise that its treated like a quest item

[tall hawk]

yeah exactly

[hallow shadow]

I don’t know about OXA, but I remember reading Kazz’s earlier patch notes.

BB is doing it, for Skif’s pistol.

[hoary crest]

Glorious

[shrewd needle]

I prefer it, for Burers.

I, uh...had a Burer yank away my heavily upgraded pistol once and I could never find it again. So I'd prefer it as a quest item.

[hoary crest]

Oof, thats unfortunate

[shrewd needle]

I wouldn't mind if the weapon fell to your feet, but being lost...and yea, it was the Gauss Rifle. So...yea.

[hallow shadow]

I use it with the “slightly buffed” mod.
So I can one-tap Burers.

Because eff those guys.

[shrewd needle]

I do prefer Burers being slight tanks, but them just throwing my gun away...nah...never happening.

[hallow shadow]

Mutants, in general, are still not worth it.
Body parts and all.

[tall hawk]

cant you run around the arena and unload all the guns so they don't shoot?

[shrewd needle]

Skill issue. 😏

[hoary crest]

They're kinda dim so you can just lure them away from the guns and that solves the problem in most locations they're found

[hallow shadow]

Yeah man. I’m old, wounded, and disabled.

Some aspects of gaming just cannot be conquered, anymore.

I cannot physically do all the things I used to.

So yeah.
EZ Mode Activated.

I’ll git gud for FromSoft. That’s about it.

[hoary crest]

Fromsoft were based.. Until Elden Ring

[quaint rampart]

Damn

[hallow shadow]

I gave up on competing shooters, like Trials of Osiris.

Elden Ring ain’t bad. I do t see the hate.

But you’re free to feel that way. I’m probably just biased.

[tall hawk]

soys who got filtered

[frigid hill]

voracity_t has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hallow shadow]

Tree Sentinel says hello

[frigid hill]

voracity_t has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hallow shadow]

W O L F ‘ D
x2

[hoary crest]

From a PvPer's perspective, Elden Ring is absolute garbage (goddamnbot)

[tall hawk]

DOOOOD THIS HECKIN BOSS IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE I CANNOT PLAY THIS GAME DOOOOOD

[shrewd needle]

All good; I'm not one of those guys who'll tell you to 'git gud'...I've got motor control issues as well.

[fallen latch]

I brought no ammo for it, using the rhino
Besides, that wasn't the issue I had with it

Got no meds, tryna escape the duga

[hallow shadow]

Show me where the 3v1 touched you.

[tall hawk]

Invaders being forced to ALWAYS fight either a 2v1 or even 3v1 with some of the most ass netcode ever shipped in a AAA video game

[shrewd needle]

My condolences.

[hallow shadow]

Invading, in Elden Ring is asking for ganks.
Theres no such thing as “etiquette” during invasions.

[shrewd needle]

Etiquette? On the internet?

[hoary crest]

You forgot in stupid places that have only one entrance and tend to be at the bottom of elevators or next to an abusable fog-gate, but yes

[hallow shadow]

Even in Dark Souls.
Etiquette exists, but it’s not real. Or required.

Usually reserved for Summoned Duelists.

[tall hawk]

"etiquette" dawg it's a video game just use whatever is most fun for you

[hoary crest]

If the netcode wasnt hot garbage, it would be managable, but when you're invading Wong and his mates in rural china who have literally 3 or more seconds of latency to you... yeah nah, that aint it fam, that just aint it

[frigid hill]

gamrknight has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[hallow shadow]

He who invades for etiquette has forgotten the face of his father.
I invade for violence.

[shrewd needle]

This is why I don't do MP. SP is just so much 'chill'.

[hoary crest]

Mp is fine, if its handled properly

[shrewd needle]

You misunderstand.

I hate other people. They revolt me. NPCs are much better.

[hoary crest]

PC netcode for ER is abysmal, one of the single worst instances of netcode in gaming history

[hallow shadow]

Solo Elden Ring is easy.

Solo Dark Souls Series gives you no choice about invasions.
Or play Offline.

[fallen latch]

Ig ill learn from this Faust fight, bring less ammo and more meds
Need as good of a suit of armour as possible
Spam grenades like there's no tomorrow

[shrewd needle]

Firewall moment. 😏

[shrewd needle]

TBF, you get hundreds of med-kits. So yea, just drag them around. And bandages...thousands of them.

Also, for suit, get the Bulat. Most problems solved till you find the Diamond Exo-Skeleton.

Operator is easier to find, that's good too.

[tall hawk]

If you're even somewhat good most of ER isn't terrible, but Radagon just sucks for melee players, especially DEX/Bleed builds because Radagon cannot bleed and your weapons do nothing do him

[hallow shadow]

STR/FTH

[tall hawk]

he has like an entire minute long uninterrupted attack chain with ONE opening for an attack then that's it

[hallow shadow]

I Unga, in the name of Bunga.

[tall hawk]

and THEN you got a second boss after that 😭

[hoary crest]

Pfft, just play Moonveil L2 spam build as Myazaki intended 🙄 😄

[fallen latch]

The bulat is pretty decent, there are abuncha other pre prypiat suits you can upgrade to almost maximum armour
And I was using the weird nut so I didn't have to worry about bleeding, that though made the fight harder coz healing was so much slower, so I'll ditch it once I get to malachite

[hallow shadow]

Laughs in Lion’s Claw

[tall hawk]

gigachad Paladin build

[tall hawk]

silly me!

[shrewd needle]

Just use the Hypercube. Infinitely better.

[hoary crest]

In all seriousness, the PvE in Elden Ring is very fun, but it has very little long term replayability because it takes so damn long

[hallow shadow]

Kinda.
I use my Fth to slap buffs on my Claymore.
(Black/Bloodflame, Lightning, Holy, etc) then I just close the distance, and begin the dance.

[hoary crest]

New build? Better sink 100 goddamn hours into it

[tall hawk]

I just wish the Arena actually gave you stuff

[fallen latch]

Then u need lead containers or liquid rocks, neither of those i have or can spare

[hallow shadow]

I feel the same way about DS3, and the ultra-linear slog that it truly is.

[shrewd needle]

Yea, just saying...it beats the Weird Nut hands down.

[fallen latch]

Nor do I have a hypercube, LOL

[hoary crest]

Arena/Invasions both, or you know a Rune Arc shop that was only accessible after finishing the game and sold all the consumables

[fallen latch]

I like the weird nut coz no radiation, its a trade off

[shrewd needle]

Save 102 metres from thermal anomaly...run in, check if artifact, else reload and repeat.

[shrewd needle]

Yea, but when you've got 20 people shooting AR rounds at you...trade-offs get you killed.

[stuck seal]

Liquid rock my beloved, going to a chemical anomaly just for a quick artifact and it ends up being two liquid rocks

[hallow shadow]

You can save-scum artifacts?

[shrewd needle]

WTF? How?

[fallen latch]

Correct

[tall hawk]

I feel like the only fire artifacts I get are hypercube 😭

I have like four of them

[hallow shadow]

Ohhhhh man.

[fallen latch]

I can't be bothered to save scum tbh

[hoary crest]

It is far more linear than its predecessors or ER, its true, which is a little sad, but like ER CE'ing stuff to set up builds is mandatory if you value your time

[shrewd needle]

Artifacts, like enemies, have a 100-metre spawn radius. Save 102 metres away (for safety).

[fallen latch]

Lucky ahh

[hallow shadow]

I only do it for Pokemon games.

[stuck seal]

I love the zone and she repays my loyalty

[shrewd needle]

Same; I tried earlier, but it gets tiring.

[shrewd needle]

No, I mean how 2 artifacts in one field? I never find more than 1.

[tall hawk]

the game loads too long to justify it. I can do it in BGS games because they load super quick

[stuck seal]

Depends on the size of the field

[hardy totem]

When my brother was playing S2 first liquid rock was the first chemical artifact he found outside the tutorial, still hella pissed about that

[fallen latch]

Yeah it just sucks timewise

[hoary crest]

I had a Compass spawn the other day at the Yantar anomaly... I mistepped and ended up in a whirlygig... Reload last save.. artifact is a Flytrap ¬.¬

[shrewd needle]

I mean, I've been everywhere except the Generators and never once did I find 2 artifacts in one field.

[fallen latch]

Made it to malachite WOOO

[shrewd needle]

Skill issue not saving right after getting the artifact. 😏

But I feel for you.

[stuck seal]

Yeah the large anomaly spots can produce two, it’s not guaranteed

[hoary crest]

Troo 😄

[stuck seal]

What does the compass do again in S2

[hoary crest]

DR

[shrewd needle]

Physical Protection.

[nimble shore]

max damage res

[stuck seal]

In the trilogy it gives you a little bit of everything

[shrewd needle]

Speaking of which, I never found a Compass in this save.

[hoary crest]

Artifact drops are weird in S2

[shrewd needle]

Only CoP; I think CS has different effects and SoC doesn't even have it, no?

[shrewd needle]

S2 itself is weird. As hell.

[stuck seal]

Yeah you right

[hoary crest]

Sometimes you'll spend 30 hours not finding any of the good ones, other times you still have the Echo detector and find a solid one 30min into a playthrough

[shrewd needle]

I'd love doing the 'artifact run', but travelling is a chore. Give me the HL2 buggy/car.

Also, Weird Lights can die.

[stuck seal]

That’s why I don’t do the artifact hunt jobs, I’ve never found any of the artifacts they ask for

And then when I give up on the quest and do something else, I find the artifact they ask for

[shrewd needle]

That's not even the best part...the payment is...well...might as well just sell it.

[hardy totem]

Next time I play imma try to see if I can master the vortex jump

[shrewd needle]

Vortex jump?

[hallow shadow]

I keep forgetting these Electro-Balls can find me, with artifacts equipped.

[hardy totem]

For fast travel

[shrewd needle]

Aren't those Springboards? They bounce you out, whereas Vortexes just pull you in.

[hardy totem]

Are they?

[stuck seal]

Well if it’s for harpy or something you can get about 30,000 or something for it so it’s quite a bit, but you’ll never find that artifact

[shrewd needle]

Yea, Springboards...not Vortexes.

[shrewd needle]

No, mission rewards are always shit; selling an artifact normally pays a lot more.

[hardy totem]

S2 anomaly names are hella confusing if you're used to the trilOG

SUCKY BUBBLE ANOMALY

[stuck seal]

The exploding pc anomaly

[hallow shadow]

For the longest time, I didn’t understand the glass shards.

[shrewd needle]

I think the names for these were the same in the trilogy? Vortexes are the tornados that pull you in, Springboards push you back or just damage you.

[hallow shadow]

“Just crouch, dude”
What?!

[stuck seal]

I thought the tornadoes are whirligigs

[hallow shadow]

Aren’t they?

[stuck seal]

They are

[hallow shadow]

Ok.

[shrewd needle]

Then what are Springboards and Vortexes?

[hallow shadow]

Those bubble anomalies are kinda funny. Super obvious, too.

[shrewd needle]

I'm confused...

[hardy totem]

In the trilOG you have springboards as the standard groundpounding anomalies, whirligigs as the sucky vortexes on the ground and vortexes as sucky vortexes in the air

[hallow shadow]

Springboard totally has to be the thing you can jump down onto, and not die.

[hoary crest]

I know its a hot take, but WW is never worth going after in my book. Drunk effect for weight gains? Nah. Just bring an exo if you really wanna loot goblin.

Swamps tho.. That place is an actual artifact generator. Easily the best place to make money out of artifacts

[shrewd needle]

But does S2 even have in-air vortexes?

[hardy totem]

Nope

[hallow shadow]

Unless that’s something else.

[tall hawk]

yeah but its the swamps

[stuck seal]

Springboards are the ones that are all over Zaton caves right? You get sucked in and die?

[tall hawk]

that's the tradeoff I guess

[shrewd needle]

I'm not even angry about the WW as much as I am about navigating through it...all lights dying is just meh...

[fallen latch]

What if you dont have an exo? And dont want to walk everywhere like a peasant? The drunk affect doesn't even change where you aim, it just rotates your screen back and forth

[shrewd needle]

No, they're literally named 'Springboards'...they bounce you out.

[charred nova]

Hey bro today’s gonna be a good day right?

[hoary crest]

Yesnt, it can be horrible, but also its a pretty easy loop for 6-7 artifacts per run, just don't go in without the means to kill nasties

[hardy totem]

Ridiculous notion

[charred nova]

No no I think it is

[hoary crest]

Both are bad, the reward and the process

[charred nova]

I’m fairly certain today will be a good day

[nimble shore]

They're actually "expulsions" now, visually like space anomalies, gameplay wise are awkward springboards

[shrewd needle]

True dat...I hate that part. I mean, the idea is impressive, but gameplay...just die.

[floral elm]

Broooo please i hope it will be a GOOD day

[hoary crest]

Actually tho. Weird Pot tho? Mid artifact, but cool as method of obtaining it, at least the first time

[hardy totem]

No no, the only thing not mindnumbingly average about today is gonna be the temperature, wich is hellish in this case

[fallen latch]

Testing vanilla merc vss versus a dnipro rn, versus a buncha ward exos

[charred nova]

I think you are confused today WILL be a good day

[shrewd needle]

Tank, it seems it's the reverse, going by the Wiki:

https://stalker.fandom.com/wiki/Whirligig

Whirligigs are the air ones and Vortexes are the ground ones.

[hallow shadow]

How so?

[hardy totem]

Are you saying I have no choice in the matter?

[fallen latch]

Im beginning to think you're hallucinating ngl

[hallow shadow]

Shrooms.

[fallen latch]

Definitely

[shrewd needle]

Yea, it's the small hut where you keep getting turned back towards it, right? Like a trap?

[fallen latch]

[hardy totem]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-anatoly-dyatlov-delusional-gif-14336594

[charred nova]

Did you not check your tea leaves today

[hoary crest]

Yeah, like a Silent Hill type deal

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[fallen latch]

||as soon as scar and ccon stop yapping||

[fallen latch]

You should tell me so I DO know

[shrewd needle]

@fallen latch - about this:

#📸┃screens_and_videos message

The VSS has slightly lower damage but a lot more accuracy and range, along with higher RoF, so it's good for high damage in a short time.

Malyuk takes a slight bit more to get going.

[hardy totem]

No, they went out for tea

[charred nova]

Damn you didn’t see what the leaves said then

[shrewd needle]

I've not played Silent Hill, TBF...

[hardy totem]

Yeah they do leave a lot to the imagination

[charred nova]

No in this case I’m fairly certain of what they told me

And it means today will be a good day

[shrewd needle]

I mean...when I played, all the ARs had shit damage, so IDK what to say.

[hallow shadow]

Updates?

[hardy totem]

I find that hard to be-leave

[hallow shadow]

Are you alluding to updates?

Cause, that’s good news.

Worthy of being this coy about.

[shrewd needle]

Updates don't matter unless BB becomes vanilla. Gib me my functional guns!

[hallow shadow]

False. Updates are always valuable.
S2 is not complete.

[charred nova]

Today will be good that’s all

[hardy totem]

Can't expect him to spill the tea now, can you?

[charred nova]

The tea leaves are for only us

[hallow shadow]

Not spill, just pour me a sip.
What type of tea?
Black? Green?

[shrewd needle]

I mean...S2 has got more issues than completeness.

[charred nova]

Can’t say

[near sparrow]

all days are good days unless they're not

[charred nova]

This day is better than most

[shrewd needle]

It takes 5 minutes for not.

[fallen latch]

So it is, thanks for being purposefully vague
I can see right through your deceit and misleading words!

Mwahahaha

[charred nova]

Oh no he’s lying to you

[hallow shadow]

Could just be an elaborate troll.

[shrewd needle]

You can't seriously believe Handsome Jack, can you?

[hallow shadow]

Can’t put it past them.

[charred nova]

I’d never lie to you

[shrewd needle]

You totally would.

[hallow shadow]

Right through the teeth. XD

[charred nova]

If it was for money 100 percent

[hardy totem]

I'm just here for the puns

[shrewd needle]

More like you'd never truth to us.

[hardy totem]

Lying really isn't his cup of tea though

[charred nova]

The truth is in the tea

I’m drinking good

For the rest of you keep looking on in envy

https://tenor.com/view/pour-hot-cup-of-tea-gif-25571379

[hallow shadow]

K

[hardy totem]

I'm gonna let this sit for a little

[hallow shadow]

Half life 3, confirmed.

Half Life is almost as old as Doom.

But they look entirely different.

[tall hawk]

only about 5 years younger

[hoary crest]

Im drinking good too, Guiness to be exact 😄

[tall hawk]

I had a white monster

[charred nova]

Nice

[hallow shadow]

Doom, I wanna say was ‘93. Half Life was… ‘95?

[tall hawk]

'98

[charred nova]

Don’t worry though the tea will spill for the rest of you before too long

[hallow shadow]

Ahhh. That’s a bigger difference.

[charred nova]

Because today is gonna be a good day

[hallow shadow]

Roadmap?

[tall hawk]

I think better comparison would be the jump between doom ('93) and quake ('95)

actual day and night difference

[hallow shadow]

Speaking of, I need Quake 4 to get a remaster.

That game went HARD on Xbox.

[tall hawk]

we need a new quake game, we are STARVING for one

also we need a third wolfenstein reboot game but that's machinegames' territory

[primal nimbus]

Me, playing Metro Last Light, then I got to the Catacombs of the Church (it’s full of mutants and it has a boss fight):

Boots up the Clear Sky Bandit radio, on loop

[quaint rampart]

Based

[primal nimbus]

[quaint rampart]

Me, the other merc that got paid to do this job:

[primal nimbus]

Thank god I bought a Saiga 12 shotgun with a 21 round mag

[fallen latch]

Stop the cap

Genuinely think I might go rhino only, this thing is busted

[primal nimbus]

< God’s pistol, the 1911

[hallow shadow]

Blegh.

The 1911 is a gun you show to your friends.
It’s not the 1940’s, anymore. It’s outclassed.

The Lord’s Caliber (.45) however, is a different story.

[primal nimbus]

Been around way longer than that

[hallow shadow]

But the 1911 is just a meme, now. Touted by “BACK TO BACK WORLD WAR CHAMP” types.

[primal nimbus]

Iirc .45 acp’s a result of Americans finding out their revolvers weren’t enough to put down charging Filipinos, so they eventually came to adopt .45 acp (after testing it on cows)

[quaint rampart]

The lord's caliber

[hallow shadow]

I know it’s been around longer.
I was referring to the last time it was top of its class.

[tall hawk]

any other pistols that use .45?

[hallow shadow]

Some silly redneck joke.
I prefer 9mm over .45.

[hallow shadow]

Many.

[quaint rampart]

9mm is cool but not much stopping power against protection

[primal nimbus]

Didn’t John Browning (a Mormon) create the 1911?

[hallow shadow]

If you say so.
You go stand out at 50m and tell me how it feels.

[tall hawk]

sounds about right

[hallow shadow]

Who made it, doesn’t matter.

“I don’t wanna have to shoot twice” is a line used by people who can’t shoot, to begin with.
Let alone shoot at anything that shoots back.

(In my opinion)

[stuck seal]

“I don’t wanna have to shoot twice”
-melee build user

[quaint rampart]

It's not about shooting twice, if you have high level enough plates 9mm does not do much. You can ask some police forces in Europe, they asked to change guns like MP5 to something else due to the caliber being too low in practical situations

[tall hawk]

.50 AE is the Lord's True Cartridge

[quaint rampart]

[tall hawk]

anything that you use it on gets smited from existence as if God Himself hit CTRL-X on it

[hallow shadow]

Because the chest is the only place to drop someone.

[stuck seal]

.45 is also not great with armor, 9mm actually has more penetration, not that it’s reflected in stalker 2

[quaint rampart]

You really think those policemen made it up right lmao

[tall hawk]

chest for practicality, head to show off, groin to send a message

[hallow shadow]

.45 isn’t meant for penetration.
It’s meant for stopping power. Sheer force.

It’s also not meant for range.

[hallow shadow]

I was military police.
Wore armor, and carried a 9mm.

But fk me, I guess.

[stuck seal]

They call it .45 because I only have 45 of the stuff (seriously why can’t I find any .45 anywhere in stalker 2 only on bandits)

[hallow shadow]

And it’s always in that silly Mac 10.

Makes me so sad.

[fallen latch]

VERY close second

[lean viper]

Finally

Back at subtle matter

[quaint rampart]

That's a different use case than a anti-terrorist police unit

[stuck seal]

What’s so subtle about it

[hallow shadow]

I literally fought in “The War on Terror”, but please, do go on.

[stuck seal]

Ladies please

[quaint rampart]

It's not my words, it's literally some european police units

[hallow shadow]

Ok. I was also stationed in Germany, and deployed with Romanians.

Wanna know what they used?

[stuck seal]

They use wurst

[hallow shadow]

ZEY ARE ZEE VURST

[stuck seal]

They call me hot dog, how I be up in frankfurt

[hallow shadow]

Weisswurst is actually pretty tasty.

[quaint rampart]

Like I said, they asked for a bigger calibber, this was in 2010s

[hallow shadow]

Cool.

[quaint rampart]

Due to more dangerous domestic threats

[stuck seal]

Man I am so hungry rn, I should probably eat something. Even the sausages in stalker 2 look decent

[hallow shadow]

Like the Syrian Refugee Crisis?

[stuck seal]

Even though they’re probably nasty

[quaint rampart]

I will not comment further

[hallow shadow]

Good.

[fallen latch]

H u h
You can buy a bulwark exo with birch at rostok before prypiat

[shell flax]

I’ve seen people here comment the canned food irl actually is pretty decent

[primal nimbus]

Oh, you were SecFo?

[hallow shadow]

Military Police.

SFs are Air Force.
I’m not a weakling.

[stuck seal]

I’ve seen a lot of stuff at birch’s that I find silly because you can find many of those suits real easy

[quaint rampart]

[primal nimbus]

I’m AF lol

[shrewd needle]

What are these abbreviations?

[hallow shadow]

That sucks.

[stuck seal]

Nerd groups

[hallow shadow]

But he’s smarter than me. No two ways.

[shell flax]

Security force and air force

[primal nimbus]

Even the SecFo didn’t like being called SecFo.
(Honestly, its better than being called ‘DefENdErs’.)

[hallow shadow]

We army types poke fun because we were too dumb.

[shrewd needle]

Too much nerding.

[primal nimbus]

Meanwhile, us Air Force hog all the air conditioning

[fallen latch]

Before prypiat, no

[hallow shadow]

And get hazard duty pay in a non hostile zone.
But whatever.

[stuck seal]

Yeah that one specifically no but others like bulat

[hallow shadow]

Looking at you, Manas AFB

[shrewd needle]

They have to deal with the rest of the forces. That's hazardous enough. 😏

[hallow shadow]

AF usually gets to do whatever they want.
They only deal with us when they have to.

[primal nimbus]

Depends on who. If they have to deal with the marines mixed with AF, then fair enough for hazard pay

[hallow shadow]

AF is a branch of its own, despite being spawned from the Army.

Much like the Navy has the Marine Corps

[shrewd needle]

I'm aware, I'm just joking at the inter-service rivalry.

[primal nimbus]

At least I ain’t Space Force 💀

[shrewd needle]

What's that joke, now?

[hallow shadow]

Imagine doing that Motorpool Monday.

“Alright, everyone in the Tesla Rocket”

blows up

“Alright, everyone. Good training.” -claps-

[shrewd needle]

Court-martial be like...

"Bring in the charred and burnt corpses before the court!"

[hallow shadow]

If anything goes to Court Martial, you’re probably already cooked.

MPs don’t assign the sentence. We just log the offense.

[shrewd needle]

But that's the thing, I remember someone saying here that even if your rifle explodes, it's your fault and not the militaries.

So if the rocket explodes, they'll sentence the corpses.

[stuck seal]

Court martialed by korshunov

[hallow shadow]

JAG does all the doom and gloom.

[hallow shadow]

Yup. Negligence.
You failed to properly maintain your equipment.

That was me. I told you that.

[shrewd needle]

Yep. Get the corpses out for hearing, then sentence them 'in absentia' 'cause they're dead... 😏

[hallow shadow]

Can’t claim it on Disability or anything. “Self inflicted, due to negligence.”
Bam. Have a good day.

[shrewd needle]

Military skill issue.

[hallow shadow]

Military is cheap, and will actually try to get out of paying disability.
It’s not a skill issue.
It’s a “Uncle Sam wants to make a buck” issue.

[quaint rampart]

What a joke dude, sorry to hear that

[shrewd needle]

That's what I'm saying, choosing to be cheap instead of a person's life = skill issue. 😔

You know, I expect, of all people...the Military...to have some integrity.

Politicians are a lost cause, but the Military...I mean...

[quaint rampart]

My uncle who was also in the military has a simmilar story with not getting a disability after service, it's not only the US

[hallow shadow]

Governments aren’t really friend of the people.

[wintry pumice]

Shocked

[hallow shadow]

Authority is only ever begotten by, and maintained, by violence.
Having been that violence.
“Stop resisting”

[shrewd needle]

IKR? It's a joke, honestly. Put your life on the line to defend the masses...only to get thrown out at the end by said masses and their leaders.

[stuck seal]

People when the government is in fact not their friend (stalker reference)

[hallow shadow]

No man is born with inherent authority over another.
Even the classic “Quit crying, or I’ll give you a reason to.”
That’s false authority, derived from violence.

[fallen latch]

Do we know what it takes for quests to reset? Trying to game yaniv lady's quests so I can get some cash

[shrewd needle]

Unfortunately, the people are the government, so...

[primal nimbus]

Hate to say it, but maybe Freedom’s onto something here…

[hallow shadow]

If Skif could claim “glowing rock destroyed my apartment” on insurance, I’m sure he would.

[shrewd needle]

A day or 2, I think. Sleep 24 hours twice or more.

[stuck seal]

Sleep for three days

[fallen latch]

FREEDOM RAHHH

[fallen latch]

That's a lot of food, I'll try sleeping another night

[stuck seal]

I had to literally sleep 6 times just to get a new job

[hallow shadow]

IM WILLIAM WALLACE…

[shrewd needle]

Freedom was always good till they and Duty decided to beef with each other.

[stuck seal]

You don’t have 100+ of each food item?

[shrewd needle]

Or med-kits...or bandages... 😆

[hallow shadow]

Fast Travel away, then back?

[shrewd needle]

Meanwhile my game on the verge of leaking memory from the thousands of bandages, kits and food.

[shrewd needle]

Doesn't work; time-dependent.

[hallow shadow]

Fair enough

[stuck seal]

Yeah you need to wait two to three in game days

[hallow shadow]

Shucks.

[stuck seal]

I sleep through two, go out hunting on the third just to make some money before harpy’s job

[shrewd needle]

I mean, it's logical...just a slight bit unfunny when you have to.

Also, I ruined that side-quest at Malachite of turning on the equipment.

'Cause I accidentally turned on one before the mission.

[fallen latch]

I got 60 canned food in my stash, I dont hoard food much tbh

[stuck seal]

Two to three business days just for her to tell me to once again shoot some loners 50 meters away from the station

[fallen latch]

Frrr

[hallow shadow]

I only ever carry like 20 cans on me.

[shrewd needle]

Problem is stashes are few and far in between. Keep bread with you always.

[hallow shadow]

20 Medkits, 20 Bandages.

How do yall be chewing through thousands of this stuff?

[shrewd needle]

Free guns/bullets/everything.

[hallow shadow]

Is endgame that bad?

[shrewd needle]

Better Ballistics.

[stuck seal]

Monolith

[hallow shadow]

Or all yall just hoarding? Not judging. Honestly.
I be traveling light as hell.

[shrewd needle]

Also, old games had health-regeneration artifacts.

S2 doesn't.

[hallow shadow]

And wanna be a little more informed.

[stuck seal]

I’m just chilling minding my own business and then there’s FOUR BIG MONOLITH and the rest is history

[shrewd needle]

How big?

[stuck seal]

They were, let’s say, large

[hallow shadow]

Monolithic proportions?

[shrewd needle]

Like we said...no health regeneration, BB, lots of enemies...

[shrewd needle]

No, but seriously, how big? Like, 20 or so NPCs?

[stuck seal]

Four

Four exos

[hallow shadow]

Dudes must’ve been Exo’d up.

[shrewd needle]

4 Monolithians and you run through med-kits?

[hallow shadow]

Called it.

[shrewd needle]

What happened to head-shots?

[fallen latch]

That's a bit much,

[hallow shadow]

Without BB, they mean nothing.

[shrewd needle]

No, I don't doubt him, but like...

[stuck seal]

Oh no I do headshot em but like I used up some meds during the fight

[hallow shadow]

I don’t carry bread or sassage

[quaint rampart]

I want a merc base with quests in Stalker 2 ngl

[hallow shadow]

Only water and cans.

[fallen latch]

In vet im going through medkits like mad, enemies do silly damage

[shrewd needle]

I mean, it does make sense in the open; I keep having trouble with enemies all the time... 😔

[stuck seal]

They’ll invite you in and kill you

[hallow shadow]

Skif also eats like a crackhead.

[shrewd needle]

You're on vanilla, though...

[fallen latch]

Neither, I carry between 5 and 10 cans and that's all I need

[stuck seal]

Yeah I was out in the open, I had to run for a tree

[shrewd needle]

OK...4 big Monolith bad. I got to be truly careful, NGL.

[quaint rampart]

Maybe they could become neutral when you help some group of them survie a mutant attack or something

[shrewd needle]

They can't. They're brain-washed.

[fallen latch]

What point r u proving?

[quaint rampart]

Nah they are just paid

[stuck seal]

No it’s a constant curse, I’m always running into monolith patrols I think my game is bugged

[shrewd needle]

I think that might be normal, considering how S2 is in general.

[shrewd needle]

Who?

[hallow shadow]

Don’t you play on an outdated version?

[stuck seal]

Some mercs were friendly, but that was a different time, Zaton and the center were more dangerous at the time so people were willing to put aside their differences. Now though, mercs aren’t gonna give you a chance. There’s like two mercs that don’t shoot you but they’re still jerks to you

[shrewd needle]

Doesn't change the enemy strengths or Better Ballistics...you still give and take the same damage.

BB massively ups the damage for both parties...so facing 4-5 Exo-Skeletons = suicide.

[hallow shadow]

No, the outdated version might be why you think things are buggy.

Intentionally holding your executable back.

[shrewd needle]

No, he does...he thinks his game is bugged and I'm saying that it might be normal.

S2 has...problems.

[quaint rampart]

There is one that you can save from a bloodsucker. Also there is a neutral group in Cement Factory I saw

[stuck seal]

Yeah idk why but I’m running into mono all the time

[quaint rampart]

After I saved that guy, so maybe that triggered it ?

[hallow shadow]

Are you like… Far into the game?

[stuck seal]

Not exactly

[hallow shadow]

I’ve only met one Mono, that I know of.
Helping Mastiff.

[shrewd needle]

That's pre-Monolith...not brain-washed.

The ones after the main mission in-game = basically Blackwater but fanatically efficient.

[hallow shadow]

I’ve never actually seen Mono, then.

[stuck seal]

But like even when I’m in a place where monolith shouldn’t be I’m ambushed by exos

[shrewd needle]

Maybe some other modification like Shay's Living Zone?

[stuck seal]

Where is this group, because I haven’t seen that

[stuck seal]

I’m unmodded

I’m not complaining, love a good firefight, just odd

[hallow shadow]

Well dang. I’m just as confused.

[shrewd needle]

Hmm...yea, that is confusing.

But...in vanilla, I kept getting jumped by Bloodsuckers all the time. Maybe it's that bug/feature?

[hallow shadow]

I was under the impression Bloodsuckers were supposed to be rare.

[shrewd needle]

Yes. S2 ruined that.

[hallow shadow]

Not a six-pack every other zip code

[shrewd needle]

All the 'rare' mutants are not actually rare now, with Burers and Bloodsuckers being relatively common.

Only rare ones are the Chimera and Pseudo-giant.

[hallow shadow]

I will one-tap them all.

No shame. No ragrets

[shrewd needle]

inserts Jameson laugh GIF here.

[stuck seal]

They were rare, and also didn’t insta aggro you in the wild, in CoP a sucker walked past me once, he wasn’t right next to me of course but he was close enough that he would’ve seen me

[hallow shadow]

I hate that literally everything can always find you.
What’s the point of sneaking, and suppressing?

[stuck seal]

I like to think that bloodsucker production ramped up and now they’re plentiful

[shrewd needle]

S2 does not have stealth.

[primal nimbus]

Headcanon:

The D4 Treaty caused this.

[stuck seal]

What do you mean suppressing?

[shrewd needle]

How?

[primal nimbus]

Suppressed weapons

[hallow shadow]

Suppressing my weapon, with a suppressor.

[primal nimbus]

Neutered Duty

[stuck seal]

Oh those do work, you just need to hit and run

[shrewd needle]

Duty was not doing good even before SIRCAA and the Ward...and besides, they're free to shoot mutants.

[unreal basin]

Is the console version of Lootable and Craftable Zone still outdated?

[hallow shadow]

Not if they can already see me crouching behind stuff.

[stuck seal]

Enemies can still hear suppressed shots they just don’t aggro unless they see you

So run when you kill someone

[primal nimbus]

I blame Voronin on the first part. Krylov’s a decent fellow. Dk what happened to him after Clear Sky.

[shrewd needle]

Probably died; SoC has the Military move in and maybe they and Krylov didn't get along.

[stuck seal]

I mean yeah once they see you for a bit they’ll start walking in your direction

[shrewd needle]

Let him face a Chimera/PG blind...that'll be fun to see. 😏

[hallow shadow]

Not the case, for me.
I’m almost always already spotted, detection gauge 80% full.

Worse the Read or Not

[primal nimbus]

Probably

[shrewd needle]

In S2, your body exists, so even if you can't see them...if your body's sticking out...well...

[hallow shadow]

Corner peak? Burst in the face.

[stuck seal]

Which I mean yeah, this isn’t metal gear, the enemies not gonna just forget you even exist because your behind a box, they know what a person looks like and if they see a person they’re gonna check it out

[primal nimbus]

At least he didn’t went out like Tachenko

[hallow shadow]

Problem is, I cannot see them.
How do they see me?

[shrewd needle]

Yea, Tachenko got a sad death, NGL...he deserved better. 😔

[hallow shadow]

I have barely shown myself, and dudes are already on me.

[stuck seal]

Your cheeks are sticking out

[shrewd needle]

Told you...if your body's sticking out...

[hallow shadow]

So. Don’t move anywhere.

[stuck seal]

You have to hide behind entire buildings and cars

[shrewd needle]

Hamster cheeks.

[hallow shadow]

Got it. Stand still the whole game, because detection is busted.

[primal nimbus]

rip Tachenko

[stuck seal]

A box isn’t gonna help

Detection isn’t exactly busted, just like if you shove your face in a tree in real life, someone can still see you even if you can’t see them, they might see your arms sticking out

[shrewd needle]

But honestly, Voronin's a bit too passive. Like...I get not going to war, but I'm sure the Ward and the others would only appreciate (and help) if they shot mutants.

Duty doesn't even do that much; they're like...a bunch of idiots watching from the background of the Cement Factory.

[primal nimbus]

Let my boy Zulu cook

[hallow shadow]

Maybe you aren’t seeing what’s happening on my screen, but I swear I barely expose myself.

[shrewd needle]

Zulu got done dirty; I thought he'd be there...shame he isn't.

[hallow shadow]

These nerds have hit scams or aim bots.

[stuck seal]

No no I get it, I peak for a second and they’re onto me

[shrewd needle]

They do. All enemies have full accuracy.

[primal nimbus]

He’s mentioned but he’s cut content :(

[stuck seal]

Which is why I hit and run

[charred nova]

https://tenor.com/view/1984-george-orwell-george-orwell-1984-1984-chips-1984-ruffles-gif-7144052804264359069

[stuck seal]

Don’t hide, just relocate to the opposite side of the base

[hallow shadow]

Not even a full second, like Stars mission?
Can barely get close enough without angering the whole base, because rooftop boy can see me, before I can see him spawn.

[shrewd needle]

Yep, I know...that's what I'm saying; considering the missions you hear him in, I figured he'd just burst out of somewhere to save those rookies.

Maybe he got lost in the Iron Forest.

[fallen latch]

[hallow shadow]

No amount of cover or concealment matters. Dudes can pick you off through a pixel peek faster than a Siege player.

[shrewd needle]

Here's a tip. Stealth to the extent you can. Once you can't...bring out the M61.

[fallen latch]

Its just saying to not get that close, you're not supposed to access that point in the game, yet maybe

[shrewd needle]

Nah, the AI is broken.

[obtuse beacon]

there’s so much cut content in this game it’s actually saf

[unreal basin]

Is the console version of Lootable and Craftable Zone still outdated?

[shrewd needle]

No idea.

[obtuse beacon]

sad*

[unreal basin]

Ok

[hallow shadow]

I remember being in Garbage, doing a mission for the Trader.
Had to go recover a package.

I couldn’t even see the BUILDING they were shooting at me from, because I was too busy sucking down med kits in a bus stop shelter.

It’s ridiculous.

[primal nimbus]

Fr it kinda annoys me that someone like Zulu ain’t there and parts of the Zone are not accessible

[shrewd needle]

Just wait till you realize that the Generators created the Zone in a radius and the entire north half is missing. 😏

[hallow shadow]

Couldn’t get close, and couldn’t even see them. Just bullets, and bleeding.

[obtuse beacon]

when I first started the game and I saw that the CNPP is missing I was like tf is this shit

[wooden walrus]

At least with Unlimited enemy accuracy feels pretty alright

[shrewd needle]

Rush from cover to cover; also you can generally get the direction from the hit indicators; move towards them and you'll get the sounds as wel.

[wooden walrus]

like if you stay on open field you're going to die, and you die really quick, but if you can get the jump on them you can just click them in the head once and that's it

[hallow shadow]

That’s really good advice when sprinting does nothing to their aim.

[wooden walrus]

I've played better enemy rebalances but it's okay

[shrewd needle]

Yea, but you still have a better chance of getting them instead of staying where you are and getting shot.

[obtuse beacon]

we lost Korogod, North Pripyat, Iron Forest, CNPP, etc. I hope all of them will make it back

[primal nimbus]

Limansk too

[shrewd needle]

This, Alexy... 😔

[quaint rampart]

I also want red forest expansion ngl

[obtuse beacon]

yeah but that will be DLC most likely

[shrewd needle]

'expansion'?

[obtuse beacon]

so it will 100% make it back into the game

[quaint rampart]

Bigger area than it is in S2

[wooden walrus]

that's how dlc was called back when it was actually worth paying for

[shrewd needle]

No, I mean how do you expand Red Forest?

[wooden walrus]

make more of it ig

[hallow shadow]

Paint more trees.

[shrewd needle]

Well...I mean, technically, Yaniv/Pripyat/Jupiter/Malachite should all be Red Forest.

[quaint rampart]

Basically swamp size but forest and more game mutants that fit in it

[shrewd needle]

Fair.

[quaint rampart]

Hunting quests specifically there could be cool

Something like "Hunt this mutant with a three line riffle" Jaeger Tarkov type quests

[shrewd needle]

Please no. I don't want to go around finding mutants and hunting with specific weapons.

[quaint rampart]

[obtuse beacon]

yeah

[hallow shadow]

Tarkov? The PUBG thing?

[quaint rampart]

[hallow shadow]

I dunno. I don’t play PC.
They look the same.

Bait people. Loot people.

[wooden walrus]

next dlc is tilted towers

quote me next year when they announce it

[hallow shadow]

“Adjacent Apartments” can’t go copyrighting.

[shrewd needle]

Tarkov is not PUBG...Tarkov is a 'multi-player extraction' with 'realistic gun mechanics'.

[hallow shadow]

What’s “extraction”?

[stuck seal]

They’re all the same, just people running around killing each other with little point

[hallow shadow]

“Realistic?”

[shrewd needle]

Get in area. Get loot. Get out alive.

In this case, I think it's 2 opposing teams.

[stuck seal]

Battle royale slop, and extraction shooters are just battle royales but sweatier

[shrewd needle]

Yep...animations, weapon handling and such.

[hallow shadow]

I mean “look the same” as in Arma level graphics. That game looks like it came out in 05.

[hallow shadow]

So, PUBG, with extra steps..

[wooden walrus]

nah tarkov looks p good imo

[stuck seal]

Yes tarkov is pubg with extra steps

[wooden walrus]

at least from what I've seen, don't own it

[hallow shadow]

They all look like they come off the same DayZ engine.

[stuck seal]

All extractions are

[shrewd needle]

Escape from Tarkov is a multiplayer tactical first-person shooter video game in development by Battlestate Games for Microsoft Windows. The game is set in the fictional Norvinsk region in northwestern Russia, where a war is taking place between two private military companies (United Security "USEC" and the Battle Encounter Assault Regiment "BEAR"). Players join matches called "raids" in which they fight other players and bots for loot and aim to survive and escape.

The developers of Escape from Tarkov refer to the game as a realistic and hardcore first-person shooter, survival video game that borrows elements from massively multiplayer online games.
That's Wiki for you.

[wooden walrus]

but graphics look alright

[stuck seal]

Tarkov is inspired by stalker, but it took the worst points of stalker and made it pvp

[shrewd needle]

PvP = worst already. Look at GTA: Online.

[wooden walrus]

stalker was inspired by gamma, and tarkov is inspired by stalker*

[quaint rampart]

Tarkov has also some quests notoriously ragebaiting

[stuck seal]

Who is gamma

[shrewd needle]

GAMMA came out in 2022, I think.

[hallow shadow]

Still just a PUBG clone.

[wooden walrus]

lies

[quaint rampart]

"Stay dehydrated for 5 minutes"

[stuck seal]

We should stop talking about extraction slop

[shrewd needle]

Is that a real quest?

[quaint rampart]

Yes

[shrewd needle]

Damn...Skif would die when de-hydrated.

[quaint rampart]

You basically hide and keep healing

[wooden walrus]

I played the demo for project silverfish last week, it's actually pretty dope

[quaint rampart]

Also "Kill X enemies while suffering from tremor" etc

[shrewd needle]

WTF?

That'd be like, "Kill 20 NPCs after becoming a zombie" in STALKER.

[stuck seal]

And those enemies are players that are in healthy condition

[shrewd needle]

Tarkov skill issue.

[stuck seal]

Tarkov is all pvp, the bots are just map decorations

[hallow shadow]

It sounds like it is.

(A skill issue)

[austere pagoda]

tarkov in s2 oooof very noic

[stuck seal]

No not nice, let’s talk about a decent game not a crap game,

[austere pagoda]

owowowowowoow, tarkov crap?

[hallow shadow]

I’ve never played it.
I just see it as a PUBG clone, with extra steps.

We all know the quality of game PUBG is…

[shrewd needle]

PUBG is battle-royale, though.

[wooden walrus]

that is... not a great comparison, but okay

[hallow shadow]

Extraction isn’t?

[austere pagoda]

what tf did homie just say? hhahahah

[charred nova]

No

[wooden walrus]

it's like saying pokemon is final fantasy with extra steps

[charred nova]

Pubg is like Fortnite

FOR MEN

[shrewd needle]

Battle-royale = 100-player death-match.

Extraction = team-based, and getting out alive as many as possible.

[stuck seal]

“Team” based

[austere pagoda]

team based?

[hallow shadow]

Ok. What’s the final goal?

[shrewd needle]

I mean, it is?

[hallow shadow]

Do you wipe out other teams?

[charred nova]

Pubg your goal is just kill everyone else

[stuck seal]

To kill as many people as possible

[austere pagoda]

score a goal past the goalkeeper isnt it?

[charred nova]

And be the last team standing

[stuck seal]

Same as in extraction shooters

[shrewd needle]

In battle-royale, by necessity. In extraction...only if they get in your way, I'd guess.

[hallow shadow]

So.. It’s PUBG, with extra steps.

[charred nova]

No….?

[hallow shadow]

Like I said.

[stuck seal]

Nope, half the players in the match will hunt you down for no reason

[charred nova]

The extraction shooter you want to escape with the loot

[shrewd needle]

But this. You can just...extract.

[hallow shadow]

Vigor?

[charred nova]

Pubg loot is just to kill the other people

[austere pagoda]

bro wtffff they opened my eyes, i always thought of fifa of a football game but it was a team based racing game after all smh

[charred nova]

And you don’t take it with you

[shrewd needle]

That's a player problem; game is designed otherwise. And human players are assholes.

[wooden walrus]

battle royale is round based, pvp in a shrinking arena
extraction is get in, loot, if you die you lose your stuff

[hallow shadow]

Where does Tarkov loot go?

[shrewd needle]

With you.

[stuck seal]

Game design vs game in practice

[wooden walrus]

extraction has more in common with roguelikes than anything else really

[hallow shadow]

Basebuilding?

[shrewd needle]

You use or sell it.

[hallow shadow]

For what? Where?

[austere pagoda]

is that why messi is so expensive few years ago in ultimate team? best speed and acceleration? gdamn how i didnt see that sooner

[wooden walrus]

if you die you lose it

[hallow shadow]

Is there somewhere to chill, outside of the match?

[shrewd needle]

If you loot a gun off someone, now the gun is yours. You can either use that gun or sell for money.

[austere pagoda]

yeah

[stuck seal]

In practice, extraction shooters are death matches, I’ve played enough of them to know that it’s just mass pvp mess where everyone is either an unemployed e sports player or hacking

[wooden walrus]

so you want gear for when you lose it.

[shrewd needle]

That's called Discord.

[hallow shadow]

No dude.

Like Vigor. Is there an effing base or stash you put it all on?

[quaint rampart]

Tarkov speaks to my soul as an eastern european

[austere pagoda]

homie spends time on someone who says tarkov is like pubg, just give up

[hallow shadow]

Or do you just “loot” and go back in?

[charred nova]

I had no idea who that was till some kid in my college English class did a presentation about him

[wooden walrus]

I'm sure there's extraction games with some kind of hub or with base building or something. Zero sievert has a hub and base building elements. But it's not a requirement.

[shrewd needle]

I don't think base-building is part of Tarkov. You just loot...and use the loot in future matches or sell it.

[stuck seal]

Yes there’s a safe house that’s not part of the match where you put your stuff

[charred nova]

Literally no idea

[hallow shadow]

Vigor has basebuilding.

[quaint rampart]

In Tarkov you have a Hideout you build with stuff you looted

[hallow shadow]

THANK YOU

[stuck seal]

Jeez you guys are bad at explaining things

[hallow shadow]

HOLY EFFING ROCKS

[wooden walrus]

there isn't a rule that says you can't have basebuilding in an extraction game, but it's not a core element of it

[shrewd needle]

The core element is to extract. With stuff. Unlike PUBG.

[charred nova]

Pubg is a battle royal

[shrewd needle]

That's what I said.

[quaint rampart]

You also do quests, for the story and rewards, you also build reputation with traders

[hallow shadow]

The core element is to extract.
As the last people standing.

[stuck seal]

Yes

[charred nova]

Tarkov is an extraction shooter

That’s it

[quaint rampart]

You do not have to be the last people standing

[hallow shadow]

It’s a battle Royale with more steps.

[wooden walrus]

mewtwo is having a hard time wrapping his head around the difference between a battle royale and an extraction shooter

[stuck seal]

Can we stop badly explaining genres and talk about something cooler like stalker

[quaint rampart]

Theoretically everyone can extract in Tarkov without killing anyone

[hallow shadow]

They’re the same thing.

[wooden walrus]

you're the same thing.

[hallow shadow]

I could be.

But it sounds like “Battle Royale, but a little more complicated”

[stuck seal]

In practice it is

[shrewd needle]

PUBG = global death-match.

Extraction = getting out as a team.

[quaint rampart]

It's more hardcore compared to battle royales

[hallow shadow]

It’s like calling a sailboat a schooner.

[stuck seal]

You’re not always in a team

[shrewd needle]

No, it's like calling a schooner as a gooner.

[charred nova]

They aren’t the same simple as

[wooden walrus]

extraction doesn't have a shrinking arena which is a core component of BR, and it doesn't even need to be round based, which is also a fundamental of BR.

[quaint rampart]

You get shot with the wrong ammunation to the wrong part of the body and you get heavy bleeding, which means if you do not use a tournicket you bleed out and die

[charred nova]

Like comparing apples and oranges

[shrewd needle]

I mean, we was talking Tarkov, so...yea.

[charred nova]

Not even remotely the same

[wooden walrus]

so basically it's basically the same except it's completely different.

[hallow shadow]

BR with more steps.

[stuck seal]

You’re not always in a team in trskov

[shrewd needle]

Am I even supposed to know what a torniquet is?

[wooden walrus]

less steps if anything.

[hallow shadow]

Fair.

[wooden walrus]

extraction is just "get in, loot, get out"

[shrewd needle]

Huh...can you play single-player, with bots? Or MP only?

[quaint rampart]

Yes

[hallow shadow]

People don’t actually play that passively, though, so they?

[shrewd needle]

I actually don't. 😔

[stuck seal]

You can queue into a match alone or in a squad

[hallow shadow]

Yes.

[quaint rampart]

Tarkov has PVP or PVE

[shrewd needle]

PVE works for me.

[quaint rampart]

PVE has AI "player" characters

[hallow shadow]

You can PvE bots in PUBG.

[stuck seal]

That doesn’t change the enemy players though, you can be solo but there are four squads hunting your cheeks

[shrewd needle]

I don't...

[quaint rampart]

PVE also does not wipe, so you can play whenever however and your progress never resets

[hallow shadow]

Tourniquets are used to stop bleeding.
Generally wrapped around a limb.

[shrewd needle]

Now Tarkov might be interesting; I love SP.

[stuck seal]

Except the game is pure garbage anyway so what’s the point

[wooden walrus]

I was kinda waiting for tarkov to have something akin to actual pve but I checked the prices on their site and holy shit

[shrewd needle]

So basically a bandage? With a fancy name?

[stuck seal]

Not worth buying, it will never have a true pve experience

[quaint rampart]

In Tarkov you have the classic tournickets (the pink one) or CATs (the israeli one) or hemostatic agents (granules)

[stuck seal]

Tarkov was supposed to be open world survival akin to stalker at one point

[quaint rampart]

Well tournickuet puts lot of pressure on the wound

[stuck seal]

But they messed it up and now it’s bad

[hallow shadow]

I mean, if you wanted to be a shit about it, you could’ve just been a shit about it.

But no.
A bandage won’t save you from an amputation.

But at the end of the day, WWCD with the bros is the same as flying off with loot.

You got out of there, no one else did.

[stuck seal]

Bandage stops bleeding, tourniquets stop circulation

[quaint rampart]

Hemostatic* I am stupid

[shrewd needle]

I mean...it doesn't hurt to try. Plus, Tarkov has weapon customization that STALKER can only dream of.

And I love weapon customization.

[hallow shadow]

Bam.

[wooden walrus]

anyway, y'all should try project silverfish's demo

[shrewd needle]

S2's weapon customization is bare-bones...which is unfunny.

[stuck seal]

At that point play gamma

[wooden walrus]

it's super long, and it's basically furry stalker

[hallow shadow]

We just need Red Dot on AKS

[stuck seal]

You seem like the person who’d love gamma anyway

[shrewd needle]

NO, I'm not playing GAMMA unless they put out public downloads and not Discord-only.

[wooden walrus]

imagine having a mega convoluted mod and not making it mega convoluted to download

[stuck seal]

Well then I guess you’re paying 80 bucks for a limited pvp and pve experience then

[shrewd needle]

Also, this is a lot better explanation, NGL. 'Cause it's not easy to me.

[hallow shadow]

I’m surprised you didn’t know

[stuck seal]

If you got a cut, use bandage, if there’s a giant hole in your arm, use tourniquet

[hallow shadow]

But yeah. Bandage, but different name.

[shrewd needle]

We never had to...neither in school or whatever.

[quaint rampart]

I mean most people don't

[hallow shadow]

It’s basic first aid.
Combat zone, or not.

[shrewd needle]

Not even as part of studies, I mean.

[frigid hill]

ottomic has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[shrewd needle]

We never got taught that, though.

[quaint rampart]

Most people do not know first aid

[hallow shadow]

That’s a skill issue.
Literally

Life-saving skill issue.

[stuck seal]

Most people don’t practice it every day

[wooden walrus]

I've always been told to never ever try a tourniquet 'cause you'll likely mess up and they'll have to amputate it

[charred nova]

How is joining a discord convoluted

[stuck seal]

Yeah because a tourniquet stops all blood flow

[wooden walrus]

'cause you'll cut the circulation, your arm goes septic, and when they release it you'll die

[hallow shadow]

Only if left on for an excessive amount of time.

[wooden walrus]

how is clicking a button not less convoluted

[quaint rampart]

Yeah that's like what hours ?

[hallow shadow]

Normally, when applying a tourniquet, you mark the time.

[charred nova]

Okay sure but it’s not exactly hard

[quaint rampart]

If you get the israeli one, that is much easier to apply

[hallow shadow]

Yes, hours.

[quaint rampart]

It also has a card to write the time on

[stuck seal]

If you’re applying a tourniquet you’re probably getting that person to medical aid proper anyway

[halcyon karma]

[hallow shadow]

Tourniquets are meant to be removed by professionals. But can be applied by anyone.

[stuck seal]

Stalker 2 update where you can do quests for the medics to rescue people