☢┃stalker-general

[charred nova]

did you enable framegen

[inland sage]

Like the gamma just got put really high. All I did was ||kill Richter and take his music player||.

Also Richter seems...black? Not like, dark skinned, more like...Salamander.

[charred nova]

punishment for being bad

[maiden grotto]

What a crap place to live

[crystal granite]

He's a proper White Scar for me. Might be your graphics acting up

[civic relic]

man i kinda wanna shoot trapper cause i kinda want his spas 12 shotty

[charred nova]

get the unique one

its goated

complete the arena to get it

[inland sage]

Lemme just save and load and see what happens.

[crystal granite]

Yeah, negative 60 is not cool lol

[inland sage]

Nope, that didn't fix it.

[civic relic]

trapper has a pda if u kill him and it has the main mission icon thing. i wonder what thats for

[maiden grotto]

People should get banned for saying those two words together... an unforgivable sin 😄

[crystal granite]

Finish fight no.5 in Rostok you'll get a unique spas the Sledgehammer

[inland sage]

Maybe a previous autosave. Trapper? I guess I'll keep an eye out. You mean the Sledgehammer?

[maiden grotto]

Nah... not at all... Bikini weather

[charred nova]

framegen is like rubbing ipa in your eyes fr

[inland sage]

Okay I'm gonna turn it off and on again.

[civic relic]

i completed the arena 1st playthru and i for some reason dont even remember getting the spas 12. though i think i had the upgraded saiga by that point

[maiden grotto]

Never waste IPA

[crystal granite]

Gotta talk to the guy upstairs

[charred nova]

can be used as boost fuel for your car

or uh

any number of other things

[civic relic]

wait what about trapper?

[crystal granite]

Ipa ain't bad but can't beat a good lager

[inland sage]

Someone said Trapper has a PDA.

[charred nova]

i think were talking about different ipas lol

[civic relic]

yeah he does. i wonder if it maybe just has some sorta different dialogue options when u go talk to nimble in the cave?

[charred nova]

im not talking about the drinkable type

[crystal granite]

Not a PC geek

[charred nova]

its hardly pc related

[civic relic]

some of these items u get with the main mission icon thing can be confusing. i dont fully understand them yet

[charred nova]

but doesnt matter lol

[inland sage]

I'm back in game and things look normal again. Gonna do that fight again and see what happens.

Korshunov is bullying Dalin again and it's just as great as it always is.

[crystal granite]

Dalin has hair, it's a reason enough for Korshunov

[maiden grotto]

I find larger too gassy... I just don't like it now...

Got a little asian stool in the market near me, been getting imported South Korean drinks... Got one in the fridge right now, ready for tomorrow 😄

@charred nova what IPA was you talkign about?

[smoky viper]

any updates on stalker 2?

[pseudo lotus]

Yea, it’s now available to purchase

[maiden grotto]

There will be one soon, and that is about it 😄

[charred nova]

the 100 percent isopropanol type

[crystal granite]

I'm on the whiskey atm

[pseudo lotus]

Dudes used to get drunk off of that when I was in separations for boot camp

[charred nova]

how are you still alive

[maiden grotto]

Yeah, you wont be drinking that in pints

[pseudo lotus]

I didn’t drink it. Lol!!

They would take a cherry pop-it, put it in their canteen, fill it halfway with hot water, then fill it the rest of the way with the high-alcohol hand sanitizer

[charred nova]

ok that makes more sense

lol

cus its suppose to contain like poison or something

to stop you from drinking it

[pseudo lotus]

Still horrible for you, but I guess they still got drunk.

[charred nova]

makes you vomit

[maiden grotto]

The things we have to do to stop people being idiots 😄

[crystal granite]

In my dad's unit they used to drink the engine coolant from trucks/APCs. The didn't like what they saw, so they didn't see much after that

[charred nova]

apparently they added the poison in the 1930s to stop people from using it to brew moonshine

[civic relic]

hmmm i dont think it has anything to do with nimbles dialogue... im now really wondering why is trappers pda important at all

[pseudo lotus]

Makes me think of that one Soviet supersonic jet that used literal vodka as fuel for its heat systems

[crystal granite]

Heard about landing gear liquor? Hydraulic fluid mixed with raspberry syrup

[pseudo lotus]

😟

[maiden grotto]

It explains so much 😄

[charred nova]

people drink break fluid

supposedly so

its suppose to contain some amount of alcohol

[crystal granite]

Tupolev Tu-22 aka the Supersonic Booze Carrier

[maiden grotto]

Always Melchered and has no idea where it going and very unstable.

[crystal granite]

Paper Skies made a good video about how air crews got their makeshift drinks from different plane fluids

[charred nova]

it seems to be a military tradition to find any semi flamable fluid and turn it into booze

[timid aurora]

Yo, any news on an update?

[maiden grotto]

Sooon precious

[charred nova]

in 5 days perhaps 10

who can say

[crystal granite]

You mean months? Yeah sounds about right

[charred nova]

dunno soon sounds like a few days rather than months but

i know nothing so what can i say

[crystal granite]

Gonna get GTA VI before playable Stalker 2

[charred nova]

i will say it was kinda funny to try and vote the game for game of the year lol

[timid prawn]

when i jump in a hole and i haer the little creatures (the pack of rats was gonan send a gif)

[charred nova]

ty for this insightful comment

[crystal granite]

I played Space Marine 2 and man it didn't deserve a nomination. Such a content drought

[timid prawn]

np back to the game i go

[charred nova]

good luck to you

[inland sage]

Do I need to wear the weird armor you get for X7?

[charred nova]

no

i did not

[crystal granite]

Good luck, stalker

[charred nova]

it sucks compared to libery exo

[river chasm]

Asll Mol1t said about update was Soon. So... soon

[crystal granite]

Soon is a relative concept

[river chasm]

So it is, though they aren't likely to give definitive dates until they know for sure

I am personally guessing by the end of the month at least

[maiden grotto]

Does that one help you read?

[crystal granite]

Sounds alright

[charred nova]

hey i got it mostly right come on now

smh

[maiden grotto]

Sorry. silly word play on my part Libery - Library... sounds the same 😄

My spelling is appalling, not going knock someone elses, but I will silly sods with it

[crystal granite]

Asian parents

"What do you mean mostly right?"

[charred nova]

fr

[maiden grotto]

France?

[crystal granite]

For real. Keep up with the times old man

[maiden grotto]

I'm about 98% cabbage at this moment in time 😄

Say it as I see it 😄

[inland sage]

So I'm using this trip through X7 as a pub crawl for Skif.

[crystal granite]

You need another round

[charred nova]

im exhausted

lol

[maiden grotto]

I don't know all these short hands stuff... I can barely write my own language most of the time...

[crystal granite]

Non stop can will help

[charred nova]

if only

but there is work in the morning

[pseudo lotus]

if it explodes = must get ya drunk

[crystal granite]

Or blind

[charred nova]

have we tried hydrogen gas yet

[pseudo lotus]

[maiden grotto]

I know what does that....

[crystal granite]

I wonder if those who go blind see nothing but the Shining Zone? No wonder others can't see it

[charred nova]

breakclean

[wintry pumice]

The zone works in mysterious ways

[maiden grotto]

It's 3am... It's time for me to rest my old mans head and get some sleep 🙂

Night all, have good one, stay safe in the zone....

You spin me right round baby right round right round right round... round right...

[maiden grotto]

So does HERMES delivery service.

Night night

[charred nova]

good night lad

have a good one

[wintry pumice]

Nice Armor with max physical protection and decent psi and elemental protection and costs much less to repair till you get Diamond exo

[civic relic]

How does psi protection even work

The only psi effect i can even think of is the hallucination thing but how does that work with armor anyways? If the bar is high enough u wont get any hallucinations anymore?

[sweet zephyr]

THIS BOSS IS UNFAIR

[wintry pumice]

I guess you become less jarred during psi attacks and the imaginary enemies also come out a bit late rather than immediately but not 100% sure

[wintry pumice]

There's such a boss in this game?

[sweet zephyr]

YES

[civic relic]

Hmm i just take psi pills for that. But dude im on ward playthru rn and super early in game icarua base technician i did a mission for him to get psi protection parts and then he said come back later and i went back after sleeping 10 times and nothing happened. Im at the part of the game now too where i go into swamps to turn off those 4 psi beacons

[sweet zephyr]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT SAVED BETWEEN PHASES

[inland sage]

Wow. I finally beat Shadow of Chernobyl.

Fulfilled the mission, at long last. The primary mission of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

[rancid spoke]

No wonder they call it the bridge of death

[charred nova]

quick save

[sweet zephyr]

"game can't be saved now"

[charred nova]

rip

[sweet root]

Hell yeah, im waiting on the remastered versions, then ill play all 3 in a marathon

As long as they dont touch the graphics or the best of slav jank, only the worst of bugs and UX issues

Currently playing Gamma ironman runs until they get the A-Life 2.0 out

[inland sage]

I mean I've finished the game before, but I never fulfilled the main objective.

[sweet root]

I mean, its still worth a hell yeah, am i right?

[inland sage]

You know, the first mission you get in the game. ||Kill the Strelok||.

[sweet root]

I didnt think you havent played it before :)

[inland sage]

I was playing it before but I went up a ladder and was instakilled by some dude and lost like, an hour and a half of play time due to not saving so I decided to just get 2 and play it rather than going through the trilogy first.

[sweet root]

I like the grammar mistake in that, it really hammers home how|| they order such casual hits they dont even know who or what this Strelok is, only that he or it has to die||, which was also the design flaw that led to the entire system collapsing

[wintry pumice]

Lol I never did his quest, not sure what happened to him

[inland sage]

WELL THIS HALLWAY IS DISTURBING

LOL SCAR

[wintry pumice]

The eventual fate of all agents

[sweet root]

I was expecting the creepy hallway come back to life or something hahah

[wintry pumice]

But Scar is built different

[sweet root]

Like some sort of a psi trap turning everything in there to zombies

Scar is zombified change my mind

Only hes on a bit of a gradient, where its on or off for most others

Like, hes barely on the side of sanity, on the brink

which is why the zombies didnt notice him

[inland sage]

I picked up the dossier file and the game went all washed out again

I guess I'll turn it off and on again and continue

[sturdy verge]

hands you some sids chicken your mind is now changed

[inland sage]

Past point of no return
Monolith guys suddenly have good quality guns, not even yellow

[sweet root]

has to be the same leg hes been chewing, or none at all

[sturdy verge]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-bastard-felicity-austin-powers-fat-funny-gif-18748814

[inland sage]

Well I'm certainly not done killing if the game is giving me more loot.

[inland sage]

...I was wondering what was absolutely shredding me just now

It was uh, it was a mark 1 EMR. With normal ammo in.

don't know what it was that time lol

[sweet root]

Huh, for me the .308 felt absolutely whimpy compared to the x54, When i use it, but when NPCs use it it shreds

[inland sage]

This section just keeps killing me, lol. I want to use the EM-1, but it takes SO LONG to unwield it to stick myself with a medkit.

[sweet root]

Yea they did the gun dirty, i had a realistic 1:1 airsoft replica of the m14 and in no world is it that clumsy, sure somewhat heavier than your AKs and such, but man

[inland sage]

I mean the uhhhhh, gun you get from Scar.

[sweet root]

Also the ADS animation pushes the gun too far back into your mouth almost, its just too close up to the camera

Oh, dont remember an EM-1 and thought you made a typo lol

I did a full Spark playthru and dont think Scar ever gave me a gun, Strider did but thats it

[inland sage]

Gave? No I killed him and took it.

[sweet root]

Ohhh, lol

[inland sage]

...okay I'll...take this. This Saiga with a drum magazine.

[sweet root]

Too bad its so late in the game where its mostly useless, due to the long nature of most corridors you have to fight in

[inland sage]

I'll give it a try anyways.

[terse ravine]

are there any unique/named dnipro variants?

[inland sage]

Uhhhh, internet says...one? But it can only be gotten in a specific playthrough type and in the point of no return mission.

So the credits are now rolling.

The Decider, that gun is in some underground spot near a stalker who wants you to get it for him, yeah?

So Korshy got in the tube, I guess.

Some part of me was wondering if Faust would pop out and go ooga booga, but I guess he really was dead after eating an RPG round to the squishy bits.

[wintry pumice]

After the point of no return, Strelok ending

[gloomy citrus]

Deggy's assault rifle. Forgot what it's called.

[gloomy citrus]

At this point you can still choose between Strelok and Skif ending. The turning point is whether you decide to kill Kaymanov or not.

[wintry pumice]

I don't know why people call it skif ending as all he does is walk away?, it should be Faust or Kaymanov ending. Skif ending is Ward ending because he came into the Zone looking for a way to buy a new house and he gets that only in Ward ending

[gloomy citrus]

Tbh idk. There's still some speculation whether ward ending is actually good or not as we see Skif from TV which means "something".

Skif ending is funny. Earth turns into the zone and rookie village will be crowded.

Sidorovich got rich.

[wintry pumice]

I mean none of the endings are actually good, as they all don't seem to actually fix the problem

[sweet root]

There are no truly happy endings in monkey paw stories

Only them less or more so

[gloomy citrus]

Rookie starts in Lesser Zone.
Experienced starts in Zaton.
Veteran starts in Great Swamps.
Legends starts in Cordon.

[keen lagoon]

Rookie starts Lesser Zone
Experienced starts after Sphere
Veteran starts after Sircca after faust encounter
Master Depends on Branch path, but generally after Malachite*

[subtle spindle]

you dont know the half of it...

[twin hare]

Built different as in hes literally brain scorched

[wintry pumice]

That's not true. Zombies are the ones who had their brain scorched. Scar has class 5 Psi resistance that no one has ever seen before

[twin hare]

Korshunov tried to get his powers but only ended up with class 5 anger issues

[tame plume]

I haven’t finished the game yet but the endings seem disappointing

It’s like all that work for a cutscene and a shit in the mouth

[cobalt fiber]

What did you expect? 2 cutscenes?

[inner hinge]

You guys think we will see the next patch or hotfix this month or next month

[inner hinge]

You get a boss fight and a cutscene

The only stalker with an interesting ending was call of pripyat and that cause it had a fallout style ending which can be delayed after the final mission as long as you want and are free to explore

[wintry pumice]

Probably today or within this month.

[proud minnow]

2nd feb 100%

[inland sage]

It's kind of funny that monolithians can turn into zombies too.

[empty terrace]

Man it did feel satisfying to see some of your choices mentioned in the ending

[subtle spindle]

ik its crazy but every game is like this lol

[heady gazelle]

Anyone got a good blind eye contact reccomendation? / experience

I cant decide between a full out blind or just a mesh

(Wont see in any of them as they usually dont have any that treat astigmatism so i will be blind eighter way)

Like i know i wont se a damm thing (lore accurate cosplay)

But i have no idea how much the blind ones obstruct vision (i would at least like to see shape not to run people over)

[swift mulch]

Has the bugs got a little better?

Is the game better on pc or consoles?

[violet zodiac]

No. Waiting for next big patch. As it stands the game has less issues on console.

[swift mulch]

Alright thank you for the info

[twin hare]

Except most of the endings are just bad overall

[proven pivot]

There should be marriage ending where you could marry strelok or a bloodsucker and you can wear a wedding dress

[twin hare]

perhaps....

[mild silo]

I don‘t get the quest "the last wish" after choosing "life is for the living" and "escape" is that a bug?

[wintry pumice]

#💬┃en_offtop

[wintry pumice]

[heady gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-mod-redditor-text-channels-gif-21711861

[proven pivot]

#oiledupfemboys this is the one it looking for

[shadow violet]

Anyone else having trouble triggering cutscenes?

[wintry pumice]

I have trouble skipping them

[wintry pumice]

If you're on PC, try UEtools mod.

[lethal crest]

Cut off from C-Consciousness, or fried from getting a little too close to the psi antennae

What actually are the classes of Psi protection?
I can't remember seeing them ever actually laid out, only references to Class 5

[weary hedge]

im gonna play linganguliguli 2 if there isn't a graphics patch🤺

[weary hedge]

whats that? im gonna search it on google, 1 sec

[violet dune]

most likely Stalker 2 patch is next week

[hazy gyro]

is the decider worth getting? tbh i kinda wanna focus of the sofmod, trophy and possibly grom s-15

[civic relic]

duuuuude games telling me to get a psi suit for the swamps but the technician i got psi armor parts for isnt even giving me any option for it and i did find a seva suit earlier but i forgot to pick it up

[lethal crest]

Started a new playthrough, and the chopper that buzzes you at the Perimiter is a Hind
Whether it was Ward or IPSF, I'm surprised it doesn't show up again

A heavy attack helicopter like that would be a potent asset for the Ward, especially for something like the assault on the Duga
They could have used Spirals to knock down the radar, or if it's too hardened for that they could use have used thermobaric warheads to soften up Monolith positions

And if it's IPSF, it would have made stealth all but mandatory for Behind Seven Seals (Insert MGSV gunship line here)

[harsh jungle]

me too bro me too

[civic relic]

ok finally the dude has my suit ready

dude its the exact same suit i found during a side mission an hour ago but forgot to loot and i had to pay 40k couopons for this damn im dumb

[elfin vine]

I had my 3rd crash

In prypiat, 2nd last mission

[hazy gyro]

any opinions?

[civic relic]

just use whatever is funnest to u

[elfin vine]

What suit

[civic relic]

ssp 99 ecologist suit. im about to head into the swamps to turn off the 4 psi beacons but instead of buying the suit i coulda just grabbed it earlier from one of the side missions but i forgot to cause i kept reloading saves

[wintry pumice]

Devs are definitely trolling us with all these media notifications

[civic relic]

is the joke here that there hasnt been media notifications in almost a month now?

[wintry pumice]

They just made a notification 7 mins ago
#📺┃media

[civic relic]

oh i see

[sturdy verge]

😂 😂

[crystal granite]

Seeing hinds buzz overhead would add a whole new level to the game

There's that one guy who made a vehicle mod, it'll be fire to use for ground (idk about air yet)

[lethal crest]

Imagine it
Seeing bandits running for their lives when it buzzes overhead; Monolithans and Sparkers firing RPGs, Gremlins, and Grouses at it

Spirals flying over your head into the Duga as you charge in, and it lobbing them into Prypiat to help the Ward secure their FOB

[crystal granite]

Add in a BMP or a BTR driving alongside you, firing from the autocannon, maybe the BMP could fire its tandem ATGMs too...man what a fight it would be

[jagged trellis]

Is there any info on Bino's / NVG's being added? No proper mods for it yet until we get tools :c

[terse ravine]

is there a weight artifacts better than night star (stong weight), I'm not sure if there is a max weight artifact

ik theres the wierd water but the drunk effect is very annoying

[crystal light]

I've not seen one mate, weird water annoys me too even tried putting it in a lead lined one see if it nullified the drunk effect but no luck...I keep it in my pack just incase I get a bit light fingered

[civic relic]

man how and why do i use the rpg? thing weighs 8 kg plus the ammo weighs alot too. i just dont see how and why i would walk around with this thing when i still need 2 other guns i would just be overweight constantly?

[twin hare]

rpgs are heavy bro

[weary hedge]

To blow up mutants. Keep it in your stash until you know you’re going to face a particular mutant, like a Pseudogiant or Chimera.

[civic relic]

why did spark troops attack ranger station where strider and scar was? i thought scar was part of spark?

[last saddle]

cmon with the media notifications... i keep getting my hopes up thinking its a patch

[civic relic]

i mean 90% of mutants i can either run from or hop on some boxes or in a doorway or some spot where the mutant cant even really do anything at all so i dont even need a rpg for mutants

[civic relic]

i find it funny how even when i have a freaking rpg equipped everyone still attacks me on sight even bandits with their crappiest gear of the zone decide to try and take me down when i have anti tank rifle on my shoulder lol

[last saddle]

should they run away in fear? lol

[civic relic]

i mean if they have half a brain or a small amount of A-Life then yeah

[last saddle]

thats pretty funny lol

[civic relic]

im boutta get into sirccaa again 2nd playthru. idek what dialogue options to choose to get ward ending

[wintry pumice]

Hmm I guess next week then....

[last saddle]

lol im not listening to your nonsense anymore

[wintry pumice]

Which one?

[last saddle]

was hoping for one soon too but i think this ones gonna be a wait

[wintry pumice]

Yeah guess things are even worse than I expected

[last saddle]

so far my biggest fear is rostok

[hot minnow]

Maybe tomorrow

[wintry pumice]

[violet zodiac]

Their definition of "soon" is very loose.

[calm mesa]

yea, because they are disconnected from all sidequests, you dont have any nuances to them like in cop, where you would know what happened to each guy you helped

[slate topaz]

The lack of a patch for this long when there’s still some obvious bugs (that can be game stopping) is.. a choice.

[weary hedge]

soon is like 3 weeks

[weary hedge]

everyone has been saying "maybe tomorrow" for weeks

[last saddle]

maybe next tomorrow?

[ornate sable]

Maybe the 29th, because it's my birthday

[weary hedge]

im thinking ab the 31th or 1st time

[violet zodiac]

The best bet is to put the game on the shelf and have apathy. I'll give Final Fantasy: Rebirth a crack.

[weary hedge]

too bad that i bought S2 some days ago and im hooked but hate it at the same time

[violet zodiac]

Yeah. Same thing happened with me. Got to Rostok and can't progress further due to memory leak.

And the aim down sights stutter on PC once your savegame exceeds a set amount of time.

[weary hedge]

damn, do any mods fix that?

[weary hedge]

well i have no serious problems but MAN, the freaking blurry graphics on Xbox makes me do breaks to not get headaches

[violet zodiac]

I think there is one for the ADS stutter. Not for the Rostok issues. I also prefer to not use mods. I'm a very traditional players who likes to play games vanilla. Because mods can corrupt save data when the game gets patched.

UE5 uses TAA with upscaling for the anti aliasing. Results in muddy and not clear visuals. Kind of like a vasoline coating to the visuals. A big complaint with UE5 that has not been rectified.

[hot minnow]

And maybe it will be tomorrow

If not tomorrow then surely the next day, perhaps even the day after that

[hollow mantle]

is this game playable rn?

[weary hedge]

No

[wintry pumice]

nein

[violet zodiac]

Nope.

[cyan hemlock]

What quests are tied with Rostok reputation?

[maiden grotto]

ten

[lapis silo]

Yes

Has been since launch

[maiden grotto]

Just no... For some people it has been a nightmare and entire games bugged and borked...

[lapis silo]

Hey, I never said it was enjoyable

[maiden grotto]

That's one way of putting 😄

[wintry pumice]

There's a patch tomorrow

[weary hedge]

The tomorrow after Christmas

[wintry pumice]

In the shining zone it's always christmas

[weary hedge]

No, wait, they’ll be on holiday again, the tomorrow after that

Dang, y’all got me complaining now lol

[civic relic]

is ward and sirccaa the same ending path???

i never even googled the endings til now. i thought ward and sircca were 2 different endings

[lapis silo]

There is no sircaa ending

[civic relic]

right... so im doing ward playthru rn so i should choose the dialogue options to help sircca then?

[weary hedge]

Yeah.

[lapis silo]

Yes

[civic relic]

ok cool

[wintry pumice]

Nah screw them, join the colonel at the last choice

[civic relic]

wait how

im going to project x11 rn

[junior current]

we at 34 days since last patch?

31 days since any news on the website itself? how about a sneak peak at the sdk/mod tools or something?

are we locking patches to features so fixes arent pushed to the community in a timely fashion?

[wintry pumice]

Colonel gives you one last chance to join him when you attack Ward base to find out what's Project FIBER

[civic relic]

bruh i dont even remember that in my 1st playthru

[jagged zinc]

Why are 2 enemies spawning every second from like 50m away from me?

[wintry pumice]

They love you

[jagged zinc]

[rocky lava]

Get out of here stalker!

[vestal olive]

https://snapchat.com/t/2bW2caQX

[wintry pumice]

[plain crag]

there's a controller near you or you are otherwise in a psi field

[wintry pumice]

hacker

[jagged zinc]

I'm on my 2nd PT and still at Lesser Zone

No controller spawns there

[ornate sable]

Where in the lesser zone? Some places like The Sphere has infinitely respawning IPSF guards

[weary hedge]

talking about console, yeah, i haven't seen any problem rn and its my first playthrough, i already have 20 hours in, tho graphics are all grainy and blurry, talking ab pc, i think not

[ornate sable]

Absolutely playable on PC. No idea about consoles though, apparently you have way less options on those.

[cunning plover]

Not for everyone. I can't play since last two updates, because unfortunately I've tons of memory leaks who cause the game to freeze entirely. I'm waiting for a patch... and who knows when I'll get it. 😦

[weary hedge]

Howdy doodie folks

[sturdy verge]

Sid announced that there is a patch tomorrow if we deliver him 10 chickens

[plain crag]

why are there no mutant chickens

[jagged rapids]

[pseudo lotus]

Pc is fine with tuning. I’m running the game under spec pretty solidly

[last saddle]

mines been running "fine" as well. unless youre trying to chill in rostok

usually in stash or technician itll cause a crash after about 5min

[brittle star]

New patch when

[hot minnow]

Maybe tomorrow!

[weary hedge]

The tomorrow after tomorrow

[hot minnow]

Maybe even the day after that!

[weary hedge]

How about the month after?! I can’t wait.

[hot minnow]

Likely in the coming years for sure!!!

[mossy helm]

6 hostile dudes spawned behind me once again, yeah im waiting for the patch..

[last saddle]

is it during a main mission? cause those are scripted

[mossy helm]

nopedy nope, just exploring the vast wilderness in zaton in the middle of nowhere

[last saddle]

yeah hurts to see. cant say i blame ya

[mossy helm]

i cant take the npc spawning system anymore, this didnt happened for the first time

[last saddle]

im just toughing it out cause i love the franchise. but its def in a bad space atm. itll get better with time

[inland sage]

Sidorovich put the ones he didn't eat outright in an underground farm in his bunker.

[grim iron]

did anybody do the in the name of science quest

[weary hedge]

Yes

[ornate sable]

Is it that place where zombies keep popping out of the ground?

[barren cargo]

So are there always just random encounters? Got 3 in a row in burnt forest, all dudes yelling for help over a flesh lmfao

Never had that stuff happen that fast

[velvet mulch]

do you guys think stalker is a cosmic horror game?

[last saddle]

doesnt strike me as any form of horror personally

[inland sage]

Just think about Sidorovich. He's still eating the same turkey leg because time doesn't pass in his bunker while the door is closed and the door can only be open while a stalker is visiting him.

[ornate sable]

The true horror is him trying to finish his lunch, but to him he's constantly interrupted.

[weary hedge]

i cant talk with hamster guy, i press x but nothing happens, i already loaded save

[wintry pumice]

Patch has arrived ||in the shining zone ||

[wintry pumice]

[weary hedge]

fortunately it's a side mission and not a main one

[wintry pumice]

Average Stalker experience

[maiden grotto]

There is a shining zone... and it's gonna be your backside for that... 😄

[maiden grotto]

You wished it was liek that 😄

[wintry pumice]

Why wish when you have the wish granter?

[frigid crown]

Kharod vs Dnirpo? 👀

[wintry pumice]

Dnipro

Dnipro single shot mode is great. Would have been OP if it had a burst mode

[brittle star]

you have lighted a hope in me

[mossy helm]

nope, just a simple spawn of normal people. bloodsuckers and mutants in general spawning too often and similar way too.

[verbal nebula]

Are mods allowed on Stalker 2?

[wintry pumice]

No. Punishable by death

[verbal nebula]

Are they actually not allowed?

Im new to the STALKER games. I enjoy it

[wintry pumice]

Well you can use them but not sure if they affect getting achievements

[verbal nebula]

Nah Im fine with that never really cared about achievements just enjoying doing new things in games. Especially if you can mod just like on Left 4 Dead 2

[wintry pumice]

Well if you have been a stalker in real life, you're not really new here

[verbal nebula]

Can you create custom maps on STALKER 2? That would be so darn awesome

[wintry pumice]

What's wrong with the current one?

[verbal nebula]

Nothing at all, just would be cool if you could make custom maps off of other games like Battlefield, call of duty, tarkov, etc

[ornate sable]

Yes mods are allowed. The original stalker games have a lot of mods for them too, and still an active modding scene.

[verbal nebula]

Imagine playing a modded map of Natch Der Untoten on Stalker 2

[verbal nebula]

Oh that’s awesome

[last saddle]

modding community for the original series is actually really good. looking forward to what they cook up for this

although i personally advise to play it vanilla first. then try mods out just to get the full experience

[turbid stag]

dead server

[rancid rover]

https://youtu.be/-b98852kPz0

[cobalt fiber]

Swtor is good shit

I wouldn't call it a forgotten game though

Still has a healthy PB especially since recent updates

Just never quite reached the heights that wow did

[weary hedge]

WHY THERE ARE INFINITE WARD TROOPS SPAWNING EVERY 30 SEC THAT SNIPE ME WITH A SHOTGUN? LIKE IM JUST GOING TO THE OBJECTIVE THAT IS 2 KM AWAY

[cobalt fiber]

need to tap the caps lock key

[river chasm]

Not dead enough for my tastes, when can I go back to how it was before November 😂

[cobalt fiber]

they'll stop spawning

[weary hedge]

?

[cobalt fiber]

!

[weary hedge]

what's that

[maiden grotto]

The wish granter is a lie 😄

[upbeat basin]

mfs wait 14 years for a game just to ask for a patch every hour

dont @ me Wolf

[last saddle]

probably because it needs it

[maiden grotto]

When you shut the game down 😄

[wintry pumice]

That's because the server chose the shining zone

[wintry pumice]

But it expands the zone every time it grants a wish

[wintry pumice]

Soon

[hybrid plume]

I almost forgot the story while im waiting for the freaking patch to fix the game breaking memory leak in Rostok

nice release GSC

[cobalt fiber]

[dawn summit]

as a remainder they knew the game was unfinished and still took your money

[uncut hollow]

And if you continue like this. You'll warned.

[cobalt fiber]

I'd have only spent the money on booze so I still say it was money well spent tbh

2 playthroughs and a shed load of fun

[ornate sable]

And I don't regret buying it. 120 hours of enjoyment so far👍

[jagged zinc]

Yeah. GSC was told to release it in an unfinished state due to money

GSC has made their money back so now they can update the game going forward

[dawn summit]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-morty-rick-and-morty-boos-cheers-gif-23531888

[cobalt fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/face-awkward-cringe-gif-25272066

[halcyon inlet]

anyone LIKE the ending missions for stalker 2 with scar?

[crystal granite]

How did you get the Monolith role?

[cobalt fiber]

#👥┃faction-choice

[crystal granite]

W thanks

[cobalt fiber]

Np

[halcyon inlet]

overall I agree but after the BLOGS of the total situation and the fact IM ok with the current state and have gotten my moneys worth, INFACT I had the gamepass version and played 60hours before buying it on steam now 65hours on steam. YES its not exactly what I wanted but im enjoying

[halcyon inlet]

JOIN brother

[crystal granite]

I'm playing the gamepass version right now. When they fix it, I might pay

[crystal granite]

Anyway to switch between the chat experience and the Monolith colour and logo like you have it?

[cobalt fiber]

Nothing wrong with using the game pass version imo. They'll either get paid periodically or have received a lump sum

[halcyon inlet]

there will be YEARS of content so its defiantly worth it on PC. I'M still playing stalker and stalker annomaly+gamma after all these years.

[crystal granite]

I'm on console game pass

[cobalt fiber]

Legends of the zone is worth it too @crystal granite

[halcyon inlet]

I'm unsure, i think its because i leveled UP somehow

[cobalt fiber]

Not a bad price for the trilogy when on sale

I've got £30 sitting there from xbox rewards. Absolutely love the game pass reward scheme

[crystal granite]

You're on novice rank, idk maybe I'll ask a mod when I see one. I really want this name style and icon lol

[crystal granite]

I see it, not sure if I'll pick it up, I'm not that invested into the franchise

[cobalt fiber]

It's janky but they're phenomenal games. A lot of solid features that are missing in HoC

[crystal granite]

As far as post apo goes, a new Metro game is what I need. And no, the VR one doesn't count

[inland sage]

Eh, what features are missing? I mean, aside from mutant loot.

[halcyon inlet]

real A-life?

[inland sage]

Also Metro might have something to do with why I hoard so much ammo.

[crystal granite]

Running out of ammo mid fight, and having to switch to the Tihar was the real pain

[inland sage]

I want to say...the ball bearing gun?

[crystal granite]

Yes

[cobalt fiber]

Yeah not interested in the VR one at all

[inland sage]

I'd probably play it eventually

[maiden grotto]

It does count, it's just that you can't play it 😄

Neither can I since my head set went boom

[crystal granite]

Lol I ain't buying an oculus for one game

If F1 release a VR game, then maybe maybe....

[maiden grotto]

I wouldn't by an oculus for that either... Facebook can simply go do one...

F1 is playable in VR, along with ACC and iRacing, and you can play STALKER 2 in VR too...

[crystal granite]

I played Asetto Corsa in VR at a company event. Got 3rd place around an F1 circuit out of like two dozen ppl competing 😄

One of the best feelings ever

[maiden grotto]

Awesome stuff, I love racing in VR, won a few times in VR in racing, with the Indy cars, and one a 20 lap indianopilis 500 race... This is me winning a race at Charlottes Ville... https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2329378568

Ignore the voice, I am a moron 😄

[crystal granite]

Respect man, that's some skill you got. I'm more of a F1 track fan, oval racing is an alien concept to me lol 😆 might buy NASCAR one day and try

I really hope codemasters doesn't fu*k up F1 25... fans aren't too happy with 24

[maiden grotto]

Iracing for NASCAR, I do F1 tracks, but mainly in Mclarens 720s, Indy cars, MAzda MX5... Love it, but I stuck with the idiots who keep wiping me out

[maiden grotto]

Of course they will, they will try every angle to fleece their customers... And they will make it arcadie to pander to the lowest denominator

[crystal granite]

I recently switched from assists to only automatic gearbox, pin assist and braking line on turns (I'm not learning brake zones 20 something tracks) and i kept flashbacks on, but I wanna learn more unassisted driving. So them tending to lowest casuals won't help

[maiden grotto]

Best way to learn, turn them all off, and learn it... having assists slows down your learning. Having a driving line just get in your way...

But watch videos on youtube, for the breaking markers.

[crystal granite]

Will have a look, thanks

[heady umbra]

update is never coming

[maiden grotto]

No worries...

[terse ravine]

I'm waiting for the metro trilogy to go on sale, hopefully doesn't take too long

[last saddle]

anyone have an issue with the detector bringing you somewhere with no artifact in sight? apparently the trees an artifact

picture in screenshots

[wide timber]

whats the easiest way to kill faust?

does it matter how many of his goons i kill?

[maiden grotto]

Spawned underground?

[last saddle]

has to be

[maiden grotto]

buggy %(£&%(

[last saddle]

if i move around i can hear it then it appears to move a bit

[river chasm]

RPG. Lacking that, grenades

[last saddle]

you win this time tree

[maiden grotto]

😦

That just sucks, I hate that, when that happens, so frustraighting... It also means that the thing is bugged until htey fix it...

[maiden grotto]

fecking hippies 😄

[last saddle]

no anomalies around it either

[terse ravine]

sometimes artifacts clip underground or into a wall| or cliff

[maiden grotto]

Your detectors got wood 😄

[last saddle]

[terse ravine]

does psi block show the real artifact in the psi field anomalies that have a bunch of fake artifacts

[maiden grotto]

Nope... you have to keep picking up till you get the right onw... Psi-blockers stop you from getting harassed.

[terse ravine]

I'll just ignore them then, i don't know of any medics that sell psi block

[maiden grotto]

you can't buy Psi-blockers... you find them around the maps... Despite the shops have 100's of the things on the shelves... Including Hercules

[terse ravine]

i haven't need Hercules since getting exos

still looking for night star artifact tho (strong weight), wish there was a maximum weight artifact

[maiden grotto]

Maybe in an update... But only found one nightstar myself

[terse ravine]

i have wierd water but the drunk effect gives me motion sickness

[charred dragon]

52 hours into the game and never new sleep deprivation was a mechanic until now

[maiden grotto]

I dont like it and have never collected it yet

[charred dragon]

because ive been nonstop drinking energy drink the whole game, my guy never got tired before

[maiden grotto]

But man, do they give you munchies... I think I ate 40 sausages a day.... It's nuts

[charred dragon]

im not gunna lie i just thought u were supposed to hungry asf in this game

[terse ravine]

i just eat all the food i find so I've rarely gone hungry even when spamming energy drinks

also I'm unsure if its intentional, but hypercube (max bleed resistance) prevents hunger damage

[charred dragon]

im litterally constantly just breaking crates and eating the bread or whatever i find, so i dont find hunger a problem lol

[peak aspen]

Hi everyone

[gloomy citrus]

Afternoon

[upbeat basin]

so, is ray of hope dead dead lmao

[maiden grotto]

Nah, a fair representaion would be 500lbs chubby checkers

[last saddle]

sign of hope?

ah nvm

[dense sandal]

Howdy stalkers

[muted venture]

anyone know when the second round of preorders are sent? (physical) Ive seen april 2025 but just wanted to check.

[maiden grotto]

Howdy

[dense sandal]

How’s the zone

[maiden grotto]

Not been in it for days, so not entirely sure 😄

[ornate sable]

Shiny!

[weary hedge]

ultra plus on nexus now uses the new dlls from cyberpunk

if you download that, the game looks and runs really good

[gloomy nebula]

Wdym?

[weary hedge]

exactly what i said lol the ultra plus mod on nexusmods can now utilise the new dlls from the cyberpunk update, which introduces the newer versions of dlss and fg

you can download the mod on nexus, the dlls themselves you get from their discord which is on the mods description page, you just drag them into the root directory of the game

https://www.nexusmods.com/stalker2heartofchornobyl/mods/484?tab=description

on stalker you will lose a few fps but movement looks better and feels smoother, and the ghosting is reduced a heap

[ornate sable]

Saiga, keep blasting it.

[shrewd needle]

Only had a SPAS-12, cheesed it using the truck nearby, climbing on top and saving repeatedly.

[supple pier]

i usually avoid pseudogiants unless i have the gauss rifle on me

[gleaming hamlet]

Anyone know how to stalk a stalker?

[shrewd needle]

Well, I delayed using the train to go to Pripyat yet, so no Gauss Rifle...just SPAS-12 and other regular weapons...

The main problem in this game is Skif not reloading when sprinting, which coupled with the constant stun-locks, make any retaliation impossible.

[wintry pumice]

[boreal coyote]

stalker? but i dont even like her

[gleaming hamlet]

Wdym

[boreal coyote]

.....

[weary hedge]

1 thing is simple and another thing is ammo draining and boring

[hidden yoke]

the reason why it's boring is sometime, people cheese, and that cheese make the game boring

[weary hedge]

cheese?

[hidden yoke]

stand on high places, enemy try to hide but pseudo-giant is big so sometime it doesn't work well, lead to just bullet dumping and move on

[weary hedge]

well then if people dont cheese then instead of boring it becomes annoying since now you gotta run from something that you will need to drain all your ammo for and that will probably kill you countless times

and you can't even loot the mutant, so no refund for your ammo

[hidden yoke]

that's like in every stalker game

[weary hedge]

yeah but in SoC i happen to find some supplyes nearby every time i encountered the pseudo, i still didnt finish SoC but rn it's more optimised and understanding than S2

[hidden yoke]

most of the time i fight a pseudo-giant, there are loot nearby (in stalker 2)

[weary hedge]

you're on pc? just asking

[hidden yoke]

yes

[weary hedge]

how is the loot displayed most of the time

[hidden yoke]

same? but on console, the enemy hp is lowered

[lilac sandal]

In a circular pattern and it's laid out with such grace.

[hidden yoke]

the devs actually thought for console and actually balance enemy based on what machine you use to play the game

i finished clear sky 2 days ago, i met my first pseudo-giant in that game, i was horrified since i played Stalker 2, just to see that i 5 shots it with a shotgun

[weary hedge]

at that point its too easy, in S2 they made it drastically too healthy

[hidden yoke]

pseudo-giant are supposed to be tanky, they could lower the hp a bit but if you lowered it too much, then it's just not terrify

[weary hedge]

man if thinking for Console means that i gotta play with the most grainy/blurry graphics ever then SoC wins here

[hidden yoke]

UNREAL 5 BABY

[weary hedge]

i agree, but rn theire a tank, not tanky

[hidden yoke]

that's the point???

By saying that, you're agreeing with the devs

[weary hedge]

man, just see how bad the situation is on Xbox ss, i cant see sheet past 20 feet

[hidden yoke]

you're also could figure out a way of your own to kill the giant, that's the neat part

i figured to lure it into an anomoly and insta-kill it

i have also tried luring a chimera back to base (somehow the chimera died to a psy-dog)

[weary hedge]

real, but who got the time to deal with those while 20 ward troops are spawning beside me every 30 sec?

[hidden yoke]

i literally just ran away from them

[weary hedge]

nah, they 1 shot me with shotguns(from 100 m away) and when i take cover they shoot through walls

[pure hatch]

should i give icon to pomor or mityay

[lilac sandal]

Can't you just kill the first dude and to get the cross back and give the cross to the rightful owner?

[pure hatch]

idk maybe he has questline or something

[lilac sandal]

Nah, the guy kinda just sits there and loots sleeping stalker laddies.

[pure hatch]

where can i buy 5.56 ?

[lilac sandal]

Uhhh, I think you can get some from Rostok, Yaniv, maybe Malachite?

I forgot the rest, I don't really use 5.56 in the game.

[bleak drum]

Hey stalkers

I need help

[strange atlas]

We cant help you without knowing what

[bleak drum]

Well is there a fast travel/teleport mod for stalker 2?

It could save me hundreds of hours

[strange atlas]

I mean you can fast travel at bases?

[bleak drum]

Yes but to record hundreds of videos I can't spend so much time replaying the game, I mean if I could spend 4 hours instead of 30 it would be awesome

I played the game already, and spent 60 hours, I didn't finish all sidequests but just for creating content and going straight for the missions I can't spend so much time again

[ebon geyser]

When patch ;0

[strange atlas]

UE tools, fly cheat would be a try

[pure hatch]

how ?

[strange atlas]

The people with the crosshair mark on map they can lead you for money to a base you visited already

[bleak drum]

And where can I install these mods?

[strange atlas]

Nexusmods, download the pak and theres info where to put it

[bleak drum]

Thank you!

[strange atlas]

If you have problems with the download write me but should be selfexplained in the downloadsite, if you want to know the commands, there is a text doc with all in it when you download the folder

[bleak drum]

Thank you, this will save me so much hours : )

[wintry pumice]

Patch is out || in the shining zone ||

[pure hatch]

im new in game

[lilac sandal]

Ah, well in the early game, 5.56 is a bit rare

[shrewd needle]

Exactly...S2 ruined that thing, NGL.

[weary hedge]

its like a machine gun vs an abrams, completely useless to kill

[serene barn]

i feel like they should make some mutants have parts you could sell like they did in some if not all the older games

like make the fight worth it, maybe not ALWAYS but sometimes.

[lilac sandal]

There's a mod for that

[lilac sandal]

Actually makes fighting mutants right as you can actually profit from mutant hunting. Which is bloody fun, also FLAVOR TEXT!

[serene barn]

i'm not gonna mod my game i just feel like this should have been a thing by default

[lilac sandal]

You're not gonna mod? That's pretty seditious of you!

[weary hedge]

bro is literally ignoring console players and vanilla pc players

[serene barn]

i'm just afraid of managing to mess my game up lmao

[lilac sandal]

We don't talk about those Heretics...

[lilac sandal]

But that's the beauty of it! You either get a magnificent mod that changes your world views, or you get "Hacktool/Win32" or something.

[serene barn]

it's more likely that i install something the wrong way etc

[lilac sandal]

It's actually not that hard.
Just use winrar, then send that mod file to a folder named ~mods, in the paks folder, and you're done.

Obviously, there are some mods that require a bit more tinkering, but for basic QQL mods like mutant parts and such, it's pretty straightforward. Credit to Cheeki Breeki for teaching me to do it.

[vague yew]

are they still going to add an optimization update?

[wintry pumice]

No more updates...

[boreal coyote]

can someone make me a mod where all main characters/quest givers/ traders all speak english and everyone else speaks Ukrainian? 🙏

i'll pay in kisses

[vague yew]

ehhhhh

[lethal crest]

Use Ukrainian voices & English subtitles

[boreal coyote]

i'm already doing that

i just want it to be more like the trilogy

[wintry pumice]

We gotta move on man. Let's all go to the shining zone

[boreal coyote]

not all english VOs in the game are that bad, scar is by far the best, strider, korshanov and Dalin are really good too, the problem is the accents, and its pretty offensive that all the scientists and cool factions are voiced by English/Americans and all the dirty bandits are Scottish and Irish, WTF is up with that!?

[wintry pumice]

[boreal coyote]

pretty racist undertone if you ask me ☹️

[dusk grove]

i think the fact they are scottish and irish is obvious enough, also you cant be racist to accents or countries

[boreal coyote]

while im obviously joking you can be racist against a nationality don't be silly, its using a stereotype that Irish and Scottish are violent criminals. a stereotype perpetuated by the English which were a ruling class over the Irish at the time

[dusk grove]

Im joking too, but racism is towards skin colour you are thinking of xenophobia

[boreal coyote]

tomato tomato.... wait that doesn't work in text...🤣

[serene barn]

xeno is when you dislike anything that isn't you

[dusk grove]

Listen I'm from Wales and everyone who is Scottish and Irish are my fam but being half Irish but I can confirm we are all violent criminals

[serene barn]

which wouldn't only extend to say 1 type of people iirc?

[boreal coyote]

no we are not! we're distinguished gentlemen

[sturdy verge]

but i sure as hell said it out loud as i read it 😄

[dusk grove]

Nobody believe him he's trying to get close to rob you

[boreal coyote]

keep your sheep away from Elon folks 😉

[shrewd needle]

Right, but still have to kill, so a way to do it efficiently is good...

Somehow, the RPG has less damage than an AR, which is funny as shit when fighting a Pseudo-giant.

[sturdy verge]

lol i only follow sid 😉 for that chicken

[boreal coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/524231625039413249/1332709187096019066/stalker_2_SoC_light.png?ex=67963da6&is=6794ec26&hm=4089394544d6daefef4b0758278a872a2deefefa5903b782ca7df559af17675d& what do you lads think of my light?

[serene barn]

hmm, the RPG is supposed to do 1400 damage but that doesn't sound right as i put several into a collared Psuedogiant once then never used it again.

that should be able to like take out a Chimera in like 2 thought but it prolly won't.

[dusk grove]

Keep everything else away from bigpetey's big petey

[dusk grove]

Does the same damage as the grenade

Playing stalker cop gunslinger and o have 4 difference type of frag 😆

[serene barn]

the RPG does the same as the grenades in S2?

[shrewd needle]

Damage bar in inventory says otherwise.

[serene barn]

you cannot use the damage bars in the game though because they "max" way before they should. like all the shotguns iirc show max but they like all do different amounts almost.

[shrewd needle]

Even then...the sheer discrepancy between the damage bars says so much...

[serene barn]

also idk how your RPG shows that little damage lol.

[weary hedge]

fr

[shrewd needle]

Literally a standard RPG, since it's not modifiable or upgradable...you know...

[indigo oriole]

Beside console command there is no other way to get drum magazine for Saiga ?

[halcyon inlet]

i've done 2 playthroughs and never seen the drum mag

[indigo oriole]

There is one but only after prypiat mission which is a point of no return

[halcyon inlet]

I'm on that point now.

[wintry pumice]

I have not seen that

[indigo oriole]

What about paired magazines for Kharod ?

[halcyon inlet]

try the interactive map

where the heck is the shader cache folder for steam?

[weary hedge]

I believe it’s in ||the small armory right before you fight Scar, but I may be wrong. It’s definitely in the last stretch of the game.|~

[halcyon inlet]

is this fight unavoidable? so far im scars disciple

[weary hedge]

It should be for you, you fight him following the Ward, Strelok and I suppose Skif/Kaymanov endings.

[halcyon inlet]

next playthrought then

[wintry pumice]

If you're doing the spark ending, then the fight shouldn't happen then

[weary hedge]

It’s in the supply room before fighting granite squad. Top middle shelf.

[indigo oriole]

Pairs magazine for Kharod ?

[wintry pumice]

Yeah that's way too late, but the extended mag works just fine for me

[weary hedge]

I agree.

[halcyon inlet]

wish I brought that shotgun, I wish i could change my loadout at that point but NOOOOO

[weary hedge]

Is there one? I know that there is an extended mag that is usable with the Kharod and the Fora 221.

[wintry pumice]

You can, to a point, if you're on spark side. Spark vendor should be there

[halcyon inlet]

wish i could access my stash but there is none.

[indigo oriole]

I saw Video showing it off but they didn’t say where it is. Maybe it’s in a game files but is unobtainable

[wintry pumice]

No Stash but you can buy/repair/upgrade your gear

[halcyon inlet]

just found it.

[halcyon inlet]

HA so the shining zone is just PSI influence that makes you a zombie ?

[boreal coyote]

no, its real

[maiden grotto]

Helloooooooo 😉

[maiden grotto]

No more updates anymore - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B4bsqYxwo0

[wintry pumice]

It's real but can't be accessed while alive

[halcyon inlet]

dude is talking to himself at a campfire with dead stalkers all around him lol

[wintry pumice]

It's just us and the anomalies called bugs

[wintry pumice]

The dead stalkers are alive in the noosphere just like how you talk to strider

[halcyon inlet]

OOoooo

[boreal coyote]

they basically live in an elevated state, almost like the 4th dimension

[maiden grotto]

The only problem is that, if iirc, Scar goes into the machine, surely he would stay there... So how is he outside the machine at the end?

Something is not right, it doesn't make sense. It's like the writing team had a brain fart.

[halcyon inlet]

he was PSI induced to skiff jsut like the rest of the guys at campfire, only skiff was alive

[maiden grotto]

I thought it was scar at the end XD

[halcyon inlet]

nope, skiff still alive, Psychotic, seeing what others cant see, however looks like the zone is leaving skiff alone "dogs went right by him"

[boreal coyote]

update soon

[serene barn]

based on what

[boreal coyote]

based on absolutely nothing

[serene barn]

figured, i remember hearing something about the winter months

does seem weird how they made several updates in Dec or at least a few and then nothing for like a month

[boreal coyote]

dont worry its coming soon today

[maiden grotto]

Until he starves to death

[maiden grotto]

You giving it special treatment 😉

[cobalt fiber]

It's typically the norm

[maiden grotto]

Not really, they probably rushed those ones out whilst fixing many problems, introduced new ones...

They are probably taking their sweet time to make sure it's right.

[last saddle]

theyre taking this long cause theyre adding cigarettes

[ornate sable]

Finally!

[lethal crest]

Any update on the ultimate edition upgrade?

I’m really enjoying the game so far, would love to support GSC and get my hands on guns like the Lullaby & Magarch D-12MT

[hollow mantle]

why this game's fps suddenly drops to 10-20fps sometimes for no reason then after few seconds it goes back to normal again

[last saddle]

if you have the option for FSR i recommend it

[wintry pumice]

He probably died but his body is being used by C-consciousness or maybe he discovered he could Astral walk

[hot minnow]

Tomorrow?

[weary hedge]

bro can u give me ur controller sensitivity and settings? i really suck at finding smt good and the dead-zone of the analogics is extremely hard to controll

[wintry pumice]

Set it to 100% both navigation and aiming. Set the aim assist to 100 too. Center mass is the second best aim next to headshot

[weary hedge]

oh damn, so high

[wintry pumice]

Yeah it's a pain when you play an fps game with a controller

[dense sandal]

whydoesnt the brain scorcther dont you know scorch us? in s2

also can you get inside the building?

[wintry pumice]

Think it's turned off. Skif is not surviving that

[river chasm]

It was disabled in SoC. And now it is partly fallen over too

[hot minnow]

Def turned off thanks to someone special

[dense sandal]

sterlok?

[hot minnow]

Ye

[river chasm]

yeah

[dense sandal]

that mf has done alot in the zone xd

[hot minnow]

Well technically you have 🙂

[weary hedge]

Hello everyone, I'm new to the Stalker franchise and the community. I just started playing Stalker 2 on the Stalker difficulty. I'm currently at 753K having recently arrived at the Lesser Zone. Trying to find ways to ear coupons !

[hot minnow]

Ear coupons

[dense sandal]

how tf you 713k in the lesser zone

[hot minnow]

Assuming the money glitches from prior patches or the new one in zaliyssia

[dense sandal]

havent been able to find hte zalissa glitch tf do you do

[hot minnow]

You know the side quest defending it

[dense sandal]

after sirca?

[hot minnow]

Ye

[dense sandal]

how long do you hv till everuones dead in zalissa after sircaa?

[hot minnow]

I don’t think they do die, or at least for me and I waited a long time to go back

[dense sandal]

i went there n place was destoryed

guessing its quest timed

[hot minnow]

Yeah it gets “destroyed” but the town hall area is still standing which is where everyone is and where the quest begins. It is quite buggy tho and the doors may be locked which is not supposed to happen

[dense sandal]

i went to the hall n everyone was dead lol

[hot minnow]

Actually? Might be story beat related. Did you go far in the story before going back?

[dense sandal]

i think i did

[hot minnow]

That’s my guess then. Because time wise I easily spent weeks doing nothing and it still triggered I just wasn’t doing story missions. The story is what seems to end certain quests, I haven’t found a time based quest yet

[weary hedge]

Huh? no no no, its only stalker for me, any other game is easy, like dayz

[dense sandal]

fully upgraded what pistol does most dmg

[boreal coyote]

so randomly have to set myself back hours because the sultask randomly doesnt open anymore cool game

where tf is the updates? fkin lazy incompetent c*nts

[weary hedge]

dayum

[weary hedge]

Soon™

[boreal coyote]

ikr? a whole month with no updates for an unfinished full priced game is crazy

[dense sandal]

dnipro hits like a mf such a good ar

has more penetration hen my ram 2 shotgun lul

wonder whayts bettter ram 2 or spas 12

[weary hedge]

Probably because I'm new to Stalker and have no idea what I'm doing.

[dense sandal]

aye long as you enjoy^^

[cobalt fiber]

Consider this your final warning

[dense sandal]

your doing great as your start

[boreal coyote]

seriously? 🤣

[cobalt fiber]

I didn't say it for a laugh

[dense sandal]

does the spas12 hv a mag upgrade or?

[boreal coyote]

🤣 🤣 🤣 👍

[weary hedge]

I'm hooked, lol. Getting killed a lot in game but love the game. But what's the best to get my funds. I watched a loot video this afternoon that talked about respawn artifacts?

[dense sandal]

artfiacts respawn after a emission iirc

[boreal coyote]

you have over 700k wtf you need more for? you will struggle to spend even that man

[dense sandal]

selling guns and artifacts are best for coupons too iirc

i need some coupons atm i only hv 654 on me lul

[weary hedge]

I don't think I have that much, I just made it the Lesser Zone. I must be looking at the wrong thing. Still learning the menus too.

[boreal coyote]

oh ok, yeah then what the other guy said, guns and artifacts, there also generated quests you can get from traders

[dense sandal]

and you cant sell red weapons aka 0% durabilty

[weary hedge]

Gotcha, so leave those behind unless I want to repair it for my own use?

[boreal coyote]

i have no save to load up to get this fkin door to open at the sultask, does anyone know a way? other than fast traveling in, that works but the door still doesnt open to let you out

[dense sandal]

Atm red weapons aren’t good to hold unless you won’t to repair it and use to

[weary hedge]

the crazy thing is that i bought it for full price

[inland sage]

I take red weapons and just stash them until I get around to visiting Rostok...

[river chasm]

Well Christmas did fall into that month

[weary hedge]

That is pretty much the entire gaming industry these days.

[inland sage]

I bought it for 10% off and kind of wish I had ponied up more for the edition that gets me the journalist stashes because I can't upgrade now.

[weary hedge]

Thanks. I did that with a couple of weapons I just found. So far, the game is amazing!

[river chasm]

So it's probably closer to 2-3 working weeks

3 at this point I guess

[weary hedge]

I can understand when it comes to Stalker 2. Look at everything the development team has to go through in recent years. Many other devs would have just shelfed the game or abandoned it entirely.

[inland sage]

Ragman is no joke, if you bring him good stuff he'll finance an upgraded exo for you. Just need to know what isn't worth taking for the carry weight when it's red. Things like the over under shotgun, Vipers, most handguns(APSB is good to take), just aren't worth the carry weight if they're red. Vipers aren't great when not red so they're one of the things I'll drop if I find something better.

[maiden grotto]

Is there anything useful in the red fortress?

You can get up to the roof, before the end game thing with no monolith around, but there is nothing there

[inland sage]

There's a few stashes, a lot of falling to death, and a single ward guy on the roof who stares longingly at the iron forest waiting for DLC.

[maiden grotto]

That ward guy, hasn't spawned for me... It's empty 😄

[inland sage]

Wait, there's an end game that takes you to the red fortress?

[crystal beacon]

Anyone know anything about an upcoming update?

[inland sage]

I bet Saul Stalker knows

[weary hedge]

Can you visit the Red Fortress before the end game? I read you’d get Instakilled by the Monolith forces there.

[inland sage]

The Red Fortress or the Iron Forest?

[weary hedge]

Red fortress, typo.

[last saddle]

tell me youre modding without telling me youre modding

[inland sage]

I went there and barely saw anything. Also 753k...OH. 753 coupons. I read that wrong as 753,000 at first.

[boreal coyote]

yeah same

[inland sage]

I installed the...ue tools that lets you use the console. So I could advance the in the name of science quest.

[maiden grotto]

Yeah... Richter takes you there

[inland sage]

Yeah that'll be my goal for my next run of 2. Reach 1 million koupons.

Oh Richter, I shot him in the face. With a gauss gun. On the burned side.

[maiden grotto]

Yeah, that might be an issue... But if you don't he takes you to the red fortress, you scuttle up the plank ways and and have a lovely little battle around the roofs and 1000 anomalies 😄

[weary hedge]

He’s a little dramatic too. Like bro, you did not get a life threatening injury, stop crying and let’s go 😂. I was utterly unconvinced he couldn’t keep going.

[maiden grotto]

Meh, he seems weird to me, but he did attempt to shoot me in the face, so I left him be... And he took me to the Red Fortress... A**hole 😄

[weary hedge]

I agree a your assessment of him. He’s odd.

[inland sage]

I think the zone just...makes people odd.

[maiden grotto]

yeah... just look at everyone who posts here 😄

[last saddle]

nah being around radiation is perfectly normal

[inland sage]

Radiation is fine, it's all those Sidor Sausages™️

[weary hedge]

Nah, it’s the Sidorovich turkey

[inland sage]

Every single piece of food in the Zone is an artifact and they're just EATING them

[last saddle]

whole can of condensed milk to wash it down, hell yeah

[weary hedge]

What I want to know is why they changed the name of the canned food?

[weary hedge]

Rip

[inland sage]

Fry up a whole Meat Chunk and use a Chocolate Bar like a taco shell, sprinkle some crushed up bread on top for extra carbs. There's an artifact named Tourist's Breakfast now.

[weary hedge]

I know, but that was lame. Granted I recently found out because I started with HoC, but come on.

[inland sage]

You know what I really want though? When you can sit at a fire I want to be able to heat up a can of canned food in the weird pot and eat it.

[last saddle]

them moving out of a door way when youre trying to get by would be nice too. dudes been there for hours

[weary hedge]

I’ve had it where you can walk through them sometimes. Happened with the last patch. That doesn’t happen for you?

[last saddle]

nah hes pretty solid lol. luckily its not the only door

[warped stream]

if theyre blocking a doorway you need to get through you might have to no clip or reload saves for rng

[weary hedge]

It’s not all the time, iirc. But it does happen.

[last saddle]

reloaded a few times. guys been there the past 2 days lol

[warped stream]

yeah noclip or try to stealth kill

[last saddle]

trying to playthrough without having to alter things. if i absolutly have to then maybe

[warped stream]

I had one friendly decide to sit in a doorway in a malachite quest and I had to redo the fight like 5x until he died

[warped stream]

I think its valid if theyre bugged in a spot thats softlocking you

think I noclipped one other instance of that, other than that I only started using cheats once I got 3/4 endings and just wanted to explore the locked areas

[last saddle]

fair enough

[inland sage]

Huh only 3.5% of people did the ward ending.

[last saddle]

theres def a large playerbase thats just waiting for sure

[inland sage]

More have completed the main objective of SOC.

[warped stream]

my rarest is shooting a grenade

how is that only 3.1%

[inland sage]

It's hard

[wintry pumice]

[last saddle]

[sturdy verge]

that's what she said

[wintry pumice]

People hate the Ward

[wintry pumice]

[inland sage]

Anyways that achievement 'Taking it for granted' that said 'Gear broken beyond repair' made me actually think gear at 0% couldn't be repaired.

[last saddle]

not quite sure how youre supposed to get the headshot one. i shot plenty of dudes right at the border of them poofing

[inland sage]

5 headshots in 10 seconds? I think I popped a monolith squad with the whip to get that.

[zinc tapir]

hello stalkers

[inland sage]

Or the one to shoot an enemy in the head through an obstacle while drunk?

[last saddle]

nah the 75 meter shot. but i just noticed it says without a scope

[inland sage]

Probably gonna want to use some kind of flat ammo for that

[wintry pumice]

I can't even see the outline of enemies from that far

[last saddle]

lol

[wintry pumice]

I tried with the mark 1 emr but no bueno

[inland sage]

oh wait I just hit continue forgot I was in the endgame lol

LOL IT JUST SENT ME STRAIGHT TO THE CREDITS

[last saddle]

yeah that really is silly

[inland sage]

Okay loading my last normal save, not an autosave.

Gonna try to get that 75 meter headshot achievement.

Okay that wasn't the right save to load, but now I know I have a save I can load if I ever just feel like shooting Dalin in the face.

Maybe the save before that.

Ah good this is the save from before I went past the point of no return.

[quartz obsidian]

I’m currently getting all the weird artifacts, just got the wierd nut at the cooling towers

[inland sage]

Yeah I missed a couple in my run I think. The weird pot for one.

[warped stream]

I accidently drank a beer instead of throwing them out before running into one of those psy fields that make you trip out, in a forest, and panicked and shot at the hallucinations through trees to get that lmao

[quartz obsidian]

Might go for the weird water next, getting the weird ball was….fun

[last saddle]

gotta love those

[inland sage]

Is there any point in wearing more than one thunderberry or do they stack properly?

[maiden grotto]

It's like in Japanese folk law... Eat the food of teh spirits and get stuck forever... Spirited Away for example.

[drowsy abyss]

Hello

[wintry pumice]

[last saddle]

classic

[drowsy abyss]

Someone can help me ?

For stalking someone pls

[maiden grotto]

We are all geeks, pro's in stalking people, it's the only way we feel wanted 😄

[last saddle]

[maiden grotto]

How can we help?

[drowsy abyss]

If I give a phone number or social network, can you have information about the person?

[last saddle]

different game right there

[drowsy abyss]

??

@maiden grotto can you do this ?

[last saddle]

if you give someone personal information, yes. you can be stalked

[drowsy abyss]

Ok can you add me ???

[last saddle]

no

[drowsy abyss]

Oh why ??

[last saddle]

[drowsy abyss]

Its just for stalking not more after this delete me if you want

[last saddle]

weirdest shit i ever heard tbh

[wintry pumice]

We ain't hackers || for legal purposes ||

[drowsy abyss]

Ok dw if you dont want to help me

[wintry pumice]

Lol did she really think this server is for stalkers

[last saddle]

to be fair it is believable lol

[wintry pumice]

Lol she got banned or left

[maiden grotto]

Depends if I have enough space for more people to be hand cuffed to the radiator... Mmmmm mmmmm A fresh one

If you are being stalked for real... go to the police, they will help more than anyone on here...

If not... well, your wasting your time... Dodgy pic, dodgy information... About as trust worthy as Saville in a childrens cancer ward.

[last saddle]

i highly doubt that was legit lol

[maiden grotto]

Well, reported the posts, so let the mods deal with it... and make sure they ain;t sh*t posting elsewhere

[last saddle]

she just wanted to exchange phone numbers and social media to be sure

[weary hedge]

just crashed at rostok

[last saddle]

yeah i cant spend more than 5 min there. but im still not sure if thats due to the storage box or techs

crashed twice there going through storage and once trying to upgrade

[wintry pumice]

Nah I think she wants to stalk someone else

[summer sail]

Hello Guys!
Is there any way I can use a console command for the alternate endings? For achievements. Or any trick to do them after I finished the game already and the save was done before "point of no return" ?

[maiden grotto]

Point of no return for some of them

[wintry pumice]

You can trick yourself by thinking you have played all four endings by watching YouTube

[vale copper]

sound:0:7

[maiden grotto]

You know what this game needs?

The ability to use the artifacts other features in the desciption... Like Starfish and dunking it in salt water.

[vale copper]

Any ideas when the next update is out? 🙂 Would be amazing to see some performance optimisation

[maiden grotto]

Soon, when ever that is... But ultimately, when it's ready

[summer sail]

I already know the endings, I wanted that for achievements. I guess you don't know a trick...

[vale copper]

Do you know if performance optimisation is on the patch?

[maiden grotto]

No idea, as I don't work for GCS World...

[vale copper]

ok

[maiden grotto]

What GPU have you got?

[vale copper]

3090, but it's running on linux. Not much different to windows, but 1440p with med/high settings and dlss quality it's getting a choppy 60-70 (1% lows are bad)

[wintry pumice]

I guess you don't know hardwork

[boreal coyote]

neither do the devs 😉 🤣

[maiden grotto]

That could be down to Linux etc for the 1% lows.

You got what, 24Gb of vRAM?

[summer sail]

I do bro, but I already have 90 hours in the game and it would take me at least 15-20 to get the story 2-3 times, that if just move fast and with the system of the game making you run with not much of a fast travel, I don't want to waste that time 🙂

[maiden grotto]

Ooooo that's low... dirty but I like it 😄

[last saddle]

throw on fsr. made a huge difference for me

[maiden grotto]

DLSS...

[boreal coyote]

😉 nah they obviously do a great job, im just frustrated waiting for them to fix the issues

ive played nearly 300 hours already 🤣

[maiden grotto]

Yeah, get that, it's a patience game.

[maiden grotto]

Part timer 🤣

[boreal coyote]

true, its also tiring at this stage as its happening so often with new games but thats a conversation thats been done to death so lets not 🤣 im so looking forward to kcd 2 as i have a friends whos already playing it as swears that its a near perfect game as far as just being a great game but aslo performing extremely well

[maiden grotto]

Nice... Never played those games really... No magic or fantasy?

[boreal coyote]

nope just basically a medieval simulator as well as an RPG really really well made

based off real event and almost every main character was a real person other than yourself

[last saddle]

i bought the first one years ago. still havnt played it. although i do want to

those steam sales are a dangerous game lol

[weary hedge]

When patch

[last saddle]

you know damn well the answer to that is, tomorrow

[weary hedge]

i completely know that this next patch will not have what i want and will leave the game still broken but i have nothing left

[last saddle]

i mean maybe thats why they arent rushing it. so its actually good afterwards

[weary hedge]

1 week ago, was still "tomorrow" the patch

[weary hedge]

Nah, it will be mid probably, and will not fix/add nothing significant, i already seen this in numerous 2021 games

[last saddle]

their last patch was really good in comparison to launch. and they pushed that out pretty damn quick

[weary hedge]

bcs that patch should've already been in the game

[last saddle]

but yeah im sure itll be a work in progress for a bit

[ornate sable]

Supposedly we're getting a hotfix first, then a big patch

[last saddle]

yeah but it wasnt cause deadlines. hates microsoft

[weary hedge]

i think that well get hotfix in 5 hours and the patch the day after tomorrow or more

[maiden grotto]

Sounds interesting.

[maiden grotto]

Well, the fact it is taking a lot of time, means that it will be significant

[weary hedge]

les hop

[last saddle]

well shit, didnt realize you can crouch through the broken glass anomalies without bleed

[weary hedge]

man, you just gotta go slow in general

[last saddle]

well that saves me some gear conditioning

[weary hedge]

i always keep my hopes low so i don't get disappointed

[gloomy nebula]

still no update is crazy

[weary hedge]

today they didn't answer any of my 5 or any other person's question in #📜┃gsc-answers maybe theire working more or smt?

[last saddle]

probably been asked the same question more than a few times

[weary hedge]

but 1 thing i damn know is that the Blurry/grainy annoying graphics are gonna stay for more than a year here✅

[gloomy nebula]

they dont have pressure anymore and we gave them really good reviews. what incentive do they have to work hard on it?

[weary hedge]

man, quality is better than quantity, you want a little useless patch every week or a big patch every month and a half?

[gloomy nebula]

Trust. Soon TM

[weary hedge]

we both come from dayz so you should be very patient

[boreal coyote]

yes because those are the only 2 options...

[weary hedge]

man if i was rich i would donate all my money to trees

[boreal coyote]

ok?

[sweet root]

Man.. Spent a week or so in GAMMA discord while playing Ironman runs in said modpack, what a cesspit

[weary hedge]

i mean, from yt vids Gamma seems underrated and cool

[sweet root]

Thought it would be a fun way to spend time while waiting for A-Life 2.0 but i guess ill just stay here forever instead and play modded Stalker until patches come out

[gloomy nebula]

I just want consistency and transparency and so far they're not following up. we did them a favor because we want to support them but they're leaving us in the dark now.

[sweet root]

It is a truly fun game, but some of the newer updates ruined the AI and now they all single file come at you like robots for easy pickings, its no fun

[weary hedge]

what if the next patch makes all of your prays ab chickens true?

[gloomy nebula]

maybe

[weary hedge]

ohh, i hate when they try to fix smt is not broken

[sweet root]

But worst part about GAMMA is how many things require you to keep touch with the Discord community for support, for all the bugs and issues, and that place is something else...

[weary hedge]

so Gamma is more bugged than S2?

[sweet root]

100%

The AI is way dumber too and its funny how people who play GAMMA on the regular keep complaining about bad AI in S2..

[smoky hawk]

man should be playing a perfect game like NLC7

https://tenor.com/view/cat-soup-kitty-soup-cat-cat-meme-gif-11696140935057453268

[last saddle]

gamma isnt underrated at all. its really fun

[weary hedge]

wtf is that abbreviation

[smoky hawk]

yhea, its not underrated, its just bad

[sweet root]

Yeah some of my best stalker moments were in GAMMA, when it worked good

[boreal coyote]

yes, i dunno people are defending them after they, marketed the game based on A life and then launched without it, launched with game breaking bugs, the worst performance i have ever seen on launch and then begged for GOTY reviews, got them! and the have a drought of over a month of patches no road map and they use the gsc answers chat to answer stupid questions "where can i buy shadow of cherobly, the torrent doesnt work" what!?🤣

[sweet root]

And ive been playing since 2007 so i dont say it lightly, ofc i have more nostalgic memories of SoC and such

[grand light]

yeah, broken game on release and 1 month since last patch?

[gloomy nebula]

yes exactly my point. this is why am saying we need to stop getting on our knees for this

[weary hedge]

if you compare it to s2 they seem like siblings, S2 is the first sibling but hes lazy, while Gamma is the second sibling but is the one that tries its best

[grand light]

the game works now at least but it still feels very early access

[last saddle]

yeah pretty much. with some time tho s2 will be amazing

[weary hedge]

with mods

[boreal coyote]

a mod threatened to ban me today for calling them lazy, we're only allowed to ball wash them in here lol

[last saddle]

yeah with the mods ppl come up with for sure. but also performance

[smoky hawk]

trying to compare GAMMA with S2
that is quite the laugh
you couldve picked other mods out of the magicians hat but
I guess your limited memory bank has space for only one mod and you decided that it was the bad one

[sweet root]

Youre implying its the developer´s choice to release early with so many glaring issues, A-Life had to be nerfed for release because it didnt work on Xbox or something, and having a console release is part of the publisher deal, so they have little choice in the matter, same goes for them pushing them to release it too early as well

[gloomy nebula]

ikr

[weary hedge]

btw isn't here someone with ur same pfp but purple name here?

[wispy sundial]

It would be about time to be honest. Wack mod for not going through with it.

[last saddle]

microsoft.....

[boreal coyote]

stop with this stupid defence it doesnt matter who to blame at the company my point is we should not defend this crap

[gloomy nebula]

guys we voted with our money and reviews but its time to be questioning what exactly we voted for.

[sweet root]

Unfortunately... But without Microsoft the game wouldnt exist so...

[last saddle]

yeah i dunno if its just an odd coincidence but i joined the server first so lol. if it was copied it was from me

[maiden grotto]

F*CK THIS XRAY BS....

Hiding behind a wall, night time, no lights, not moving.... start opening up on me... So sick to death of crap

[smoky hawk]

that was still GSCs decision
GSC is self published everywhere except Asia where they HIRED partners to help distribute

[weary hedge]

honestly we just want the fixed game, not to only rant about it, we just tired of waiting

[smoky hawk]

GSC is not at the mercy of anyone but their own decision

[sweet root]

I defend the rank and file developers who have no say in the matter, youre fighting against the big wig corpo types who actually decide these things, aka the publishers, i work full time in game dev for past 8 years and this is just how it is

[boreal coyote]

did i name anyone whos fault i think it is? no im annoyed about the state of it and rightly so

[sweet root]

Game devs are not the same as the publishers, the one who has the money has all the say so

[last saddle]

sadly yes

[neat smelt]

is there an ending that lets you continue playing?

[sweet root]

But youre outright blaming people for the mess who arent responsible for it so yeah, ofc ill correct you

[smoky hawk]

so, still GSC
what are you getting at

[smoky hawk]

there isnt

[weary hedge]

Man, dont ever try to say that again, ive been wallbanged, exploded, and killed in such broken and impossible ways that know i just see S2 as more annoying as War thunder, and that's a lot worse