#Ripper Jaguar First Observation

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sick wraith
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So i just used ripper jaguar and this is my observation. It is great with my playstyle, which means, short map involving a mix of units from every hq lvl, it does exactly wat base jaguar does, just more fire power and actually kills mass infantry even better than wolverine.

So most optimum time of use: early to mid game combined with mass early hq units

Late game against mass zeus, torrents + t3 hero abilities, they become glass cannons

So best late game comp: 2 assault factories with mass armadillos, jags should act like mammoths, firing from a range while u ram enemy formation with chameleon, mass armadillos and a bison

tribal mirage
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The ripper isn't a mammoth

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It's range isn't enough to act like it

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It's just +0.5 range lmao, it doesn't make a big difference to start firing from a range without getting fired back at

sick wraith
# tribal mirage The ripper isn't a mammoth

I m saying to use it like how u would use a mammoth, ram with some other units, i.e armadillos + bison in chameleon while jaguars attack behind, if u use ripper jaguars in front it becomes too inefficient not using full benefit of high fire rate while also dying quickly

tribal mirage
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This makes the combo too expensive to go for

sick wraith
tribal mirage
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Instead of dumping resources and cp for other units, I can just mass produce base jaguar meaning it will end up in way bigger numbers = more damage output

tribal mirage
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It ends up very expensive

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Let's put a scenario, how many armadillos for 1 ripper?

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If we say 1

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1:1

sick wraith
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They r more tanky too i think

tribal mirage
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Then you'll have 5 rippers 5 armadillos instead of 8 base jaguars

sick wraith
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Also faster

tribal mirage
tribal mirage
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It's still something

sick wraith
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The main objective for end game victory is to keep spamming and sending armadillos while keeping ur ripper jags alive, once all ur frontal line armadillos die u immediately retreat into base for next round

tribal mirage
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@sick wraith

120 resources and 2cp for each if you have it, same durability and same speed

tribal mirage
sick wraith
tribal mirage
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Why would you go this way if base version does same thing but way easier?

sick wraith
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So optimum resistance scenario is all ur jags r alive while u only spam armadillos, porcs, cham end game

sick wraith
tribal mirage
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K

sick wraith
# tribal mirage K

U can try wat i mentioned in a 3v3 and if u feel uncomfortable or lose quickly then go back to base jags,
So composition is 1 jag + 1 armdillo = 2 base jags (both 8 cp)

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Total cost: 250 + 140 (best armadillo mod)= 390 vs 2 x 220 = 440

Best end game scenario for resistance: u only lose and need to spam armadillos while all ur jags stay alive to keep shooting

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Also remember that armadillos can shoot seraphim and beholder and potentially do even better performance than porcs so u can min max porc numbers

tribal mirage
outer dust
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To be honest the ripper use case
Is for slow punishment tactics along side aviation support
Example
Open field jags with some porcs mammoth and chameleons

You position your jags very spread and porcs to avoid Avia scouts
Then force the enemy to come to you by mammoth
Use levi wasp mole

After every clash slow recovery with mole and advance a few cells
Enough to keep mammoth punish

To retreat you will rely on Levi to avoid enemy ramming and enough fog to avoid Avia sniping

Pros of this tactic enemy is always under stress so no long term planning or recovery is available
Your damage output will be extremely good
Once a position is ensured is very hard for the enemy to beat you

Cons
It depends very much on how good you are with the fog becoming a game of finding the jags

It only works in mix composition
Cause you need Avia to cover retreats and punish ramming

It only works in small number of jags cause they need space
You need a lot of fogs

If you over rush or do a bad move
Example
Loose your Avia cover
Or move move bad
You are fucked

random hawk
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Equal players ram won't work because they are taking damage first via Mammoth and it is extremely difficult to force fire on multiple positions while advancing

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The only real threat is atlas with its huge area damage

sick wraith
tribal mirage
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Instead to focus on bison

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Your case will have a heavy focus just on jags that the heroes won't be used effectively

outer dust
tribal mirage
# outer dust So in a personal level is this mod useless? Cause you keep saying that regular j...

The ripper requires a lot of attention to work which compensates the bigger damage

Ripper once positioned and in an attack position where it's firing has no chance to retreat, you'll lose multiple of them before doing so

If you get rammed, you'll have to take the ramming and pray you'll kill before they start ending in your cloud and ripper has to stand and take all hero's abilities, base version can escape and run, reposition fast, those stuff, you can't trade them

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Also, want something?

Due to ripper's slow pace in firing a salvo, you can easily see under the cloud where it's positioned for force fire

outer dust
outer dust
tribal mirage
outer dust
random hawk
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The basic point is ripper kinda sucks.

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I played confa this whole event and every arena of I saw I was up against ripper I breathed easy

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While we are discussing epic mods it seems to me thunderer is not very good either due to very low rate of fire I haven't been using it for that reason

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Does anyone who has played with or against it have anything to share?

sick wraith
tribal mirage
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Even if low fire rate, it's shot has a very increased damage nearly like solaris shot

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Don't forget the splash area which is the main use for zeus is very high

bleak robin
tribal mirage
void tundra
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Hi

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Hi

sick wraith
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@tribal mirage how did u do with the onslaught mod? I think onslaught jags do better wat u r doing with ur base jags, is the reduced range a big disadvantage? Or increased speed a bigger adv?

random hawk
sick wraith
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Ok using predator in combination for dmg is great idea

random hawk
# sick wraith The problem is their fire rate is the worst

They're damage is good, production is fast, and they move really quick.
being they don't need siege mode you can zig and zag and avoid torrents and Solaris ability.
If it is paired with predator even Zeus can't force fire on it fast enough

leaden gorge
# random hawk Does anyone who has played with or against it have anything to share?

Obv u don't know how mods are supposed to work
No mods is supposed to be OP. At best, it's supposed to have an OP stat, but a decent tradeoff. At the end of the day making it better than base every way is just stupid and unbalanced.
Whilst ripper is heavily criticized for sucking, the main aim for it is its double volley, which is good for taking clusters of units. Cus if that I would say it's actually better for players who are just advancing to a rank where t3 units are getting used as you would still encounter a lot of low tier unit spams, which is perfect for ripper
Zeus epic mode is extremely beginner friendly for learning how to fight against JCP, due to high damage and explosion radius making it easier to kill units by force firing into the fog.
If anything, it's the common mod that for me is not applicable to most play styles as their AA tradeoff is not that good imo, and lower explosion radius means more micro for JCP. All in all, I would go with either base or epic.
I don't need to say shi about onslaught that shit is a nightmare to face against 😭
Preferably buckler+base Zeus is a far better army comp than overlord and have actually won same faction battles due to it being matched like above.

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Also I would add, EVERYONE talking about how weak ripper is, but almost NO ONE talks about how OP onslaught is. Even in streams, Red players talk about how broken it is.
YOU KNOW SHI IS BAD WHEN EVEN THE FACTION PLAYERS ARE REINFORCING THE STATEMENT
Honestly I remember when this was the other way round, with confa would be whining about weak units forgetting they have the most broken shi as of then. I guess this just means the game is getting balanced, maybe leaning on the red side even based on all the red domination at every tournament I've encountered.
(I've still not seen how though except for the navy of course)
Even when going against JCP onslaught with bison mole, While it was really difficult I still pulled through due to beholder+Solaris taking care of bison and good force firing