Dragonfly Rush possibilities?

[rocky trellis]

u can't drag the fight long

first get the containers

then built 3 or more platforms

rest is up to u

[frail echo]

It doesn't work that much now.

As they nerfed t1 Avia 2-3 times already

[cosmic zephyr]

Yeah, dflies are ASSSSSD

I have them upgraded and they've always felt squishy for the damage they do

I honestly regret upgrading them tbh

[winged forge]

They r great in end game as they can act as shields for wasp and leviathan while also being produced really fast

Unless enemy player controls his typhoons, the aa will attack dragonfly walls instead of wasp and leviathan

But yes for damage dealing i still rely on mammoths and salamander, not the meagre damage of dragonflies

[iron meadow]

In my experience, full Dfly (maxed) does amazingly against anything but fighters. But getting a full flight of them is hard.

Call me weird but I don't use heroes. At all. Don't even have them unlocked.

I mean it seems like vertex doesn't stand a chance, the rocket tanks don't even really work on them, and they eventually chew through zeus. Although rocket infantry seems to hurt them, they're uncommon

*against my dragonflies obviously

[iron meadow]

You use mammoths? First person I've seen. You have them maxed I assume?

[winged forge]

I dont have them maxed, drawback of f2p player with limited cash and long hours upgrade time

None of my units have max upgrades

[cosmic zephyr]

What rank are you?

[rocky trellis]

f2p have to stick to specific units and specific ups

[winged forge]

The only specific units i rely on is wasp and salamander

My rank is 16

I have almost maxed out salamander damage and maxed armor for r16

Mammoths synergize better than jaguars with salamander because salamander needs space to move and jaguars only block it while mammoths can b far away and only needs sight range to attack

And basically i use salamander like a coyote so u can imagine how many confed players got mad with me XD

[covert hill]

Without heroes were perfect 3 years ago
Now, no heroes vs maxed heroes = no chance to survive unless you are a perfect player fighting a noob 😁

[winged forge]

I agree, this game is called art of heroes 3, whoever perfectly uses heroes is guaranteed victory even with low upgraded armies against high rank opponent

[iron meadow]

THIS specifically. With precious few exceptions, I am F2P as well. The only units I have upgraded (all maxed) are:

Grenadier (they throw down CRAZY damage)
Coyote (you'd be hella surprised by them)
Porcupine
Chameleon (makes grenadiers amazing)
Dragonfly
Nuke

No heroes but also NO JAGUAR. I might even do Alligator before I do Jaguar. Say what you might, but consider 4 Grenadiers in place of each. If they can survive (hooray Chameleon), they annihilate. Especially Zeus (boo Torrent).

[iron meadow]

Beating this exact type of player makes me SO happy! 🤣🤣

[iron meadow]

Agree, but the maxed Dragonfly excels at taking out Confederate heroes like no other unit.

[rocky trellis]

it's not the case in high ranks

[cosmic zephyr]

Not the case in low ranks either

[rocky trellis]

let him be

[winged forge]

Have u ever beat any pro hero using player who have high tourney and blitz ranking badges?

Wat is ur rank?

I only beat one guy in my entire life in blitz duel with pre built base when we were r15

He had maxed r15 acc with multiple badges

I dont think it is ever possible to beat a strong hero user without using heroes urself

Ofc i relied on my trusted salamander and wasp combo

Also i realised all three confed hero abilities cannot target dragonflies

So dragonflies r really great if u can use them well

They can also block enemy zeus who wont use their main gun unless controlled by player to change target

[cosmic zephyr]

Dragonflies die to so many things because they're so squishy. Even an army of assault can take them down.

[winged forge]

Skill issue git gud scrub

[cosmic zephyr]

Your "strategy" isn't very good against strong players... lol. They aren't just going to have one hero, they have an army and those dragonflies will get ripped up. A single special vehicle factory and very few typoons will take down this strategy with little investment

That's assuming the army they're already fighting with don't tear apart the dflies to begin with

[winged forge]

As i said, git gud

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[cosmic zephyr]

@winged forge Cherry Picked moments for your channel doesn't prove anything. I could pull up a clip of my teammate rushing Nuke in 10min at Rank 13 and that doesn't mean that it's a viable strategy

BUT

If you dragonfly rush as your main strategy against the more experienced players in the server to prove your point, that's more than enough for me

[winged forge]

I used to do that at low ranks but now my upgrades aint enough to use them

[winged forge]

Anyways i m not the one who said pure df rush is good so i got nothing to prove lol, read wat i commented above

[cosmic zephyr]

Oh I mixed you two up

[winged forge]

Wat i said is exactly wat u saw in my videos above, that dfs r great for different purpose in mixed army with mammoths

[cosmic zephyr]

Nevertheless, the point I tagged you in is that they are very squishy.

[winged forge]

I know and thats i said its skill issue on ur part if u let them get squished by heavy assaults

[cosmic zephyr]

Especially at the lower ranks, an army of assaults can take them down

If we're talking about rushing dragonflies

Most commonly they're going to get met with assaults

3 barracks vs 1 Avia factory

The assaults outnumber the dflies

If you're rushing dflies, you're open to assaults mixed with whatever they feel like adding to it

I don't just mean assaults, I mean heavy assaults mixed

[winged forge]

Still dfs do better make 5 to 6 dfs and keep destroying enemy power plants

While also attacking from the front

[cosmic zephyr]

The resources and time it takes to produce them could get you overrun and imo, it's not really worth the value at lower ranks

[winged forge]

I used to rush dfs in low rank at mixed sea maps

But now deltas can beat them so its no longer viable

[cosmic zephyr]

So then where would you be rushing dflies?

Land only maps?

[winged forge]

I dont use df rushes, i already told u the strategies i use that involve dfs

Like mixing with levi etc.

[cosmic zephyr]

That's the forum topic

Know what, maybe I'm just misinterpreting your comment. I'm under the assumption you're agreeing with him about dflies just taking down heroes and being a viable rush strategy

[winged forge]

I understand but i literally said wat worked for me and at which situations

[winged forge]

Also as i showed u that clip, dfs can chase down solaris, perfect for arrogant confed players who want to only use solaris to destroy my base from far away

[covert hill]

Dragonflies has no use actually vs a good player who spy regularly,
The basic maxed units for rank 13 is assaults, typhoons, (hammer or zeus and its better to have both) and + heroes + ( Fortress or flamethrower or cyclones )
A single typhoon easily beat 2 flies and with aa boost, your d-flies is literally flies which will never kill any single hero

Dragonflies were good a long-time ago but after being nerfed + aa units and defenses become strengthened = flies can be spammed only untill rank 14 and will give a winrate of 70% or a little more in best circumstances,
I started as a dflies player probably in 2023 and speak from my previous experience
To make best use of flies,
Defend with regular units and prevent your enemy from spying, spam flies and surprise your opponent with a sudden spam flies attack, otherwise, flies have no chance vs aa

[covert hill]

Old-fashioned strategy, now a regular player who wants to make pressure using only solaris + shield form one side , he should be having vertexes which will make you regret chasing his solaris outside your territory
Btw, vertexes is a must from rank +15
So in my opinion, flies can support a little in early game below rank 15 or make a sudden spam attack, in late game ranks, it can only mask your heroes as you said which is an important job but with small number

[winged forge]

Interestingly my gameplay has also evolved with midgame being double special factory porcupines in hq3 and salamander to slowly shifting to mammoth and porcupine with hawks only in case enemy goes vertex and this delayed hawk transition works because of mid game double factory porcupine army

My weakpoint is before i start making mammoths and salamander if enemy rushes me all he will face is porcupines, wasp, some jaguars, may b any riflemen that survived early supply hunt

[covert hill]

You are rank 16, right?

[winged forge]

Yes

Once i have 4 to 6 porcs guarding my base against surprise seraphim attack, i start moving with the rest of my army and just see if i can annoy enemy position with my salamander, during this point vision from wasp/df becomes very useful

I try to takeover till middle then forming a line formation in the middle with porcs and mammoths and i try to attack confed player while gathering money for levi, if enemy player finishes making solaris i retreat and try to delay till i have levi and if enemy doesnt finish solaris then he would usually b dead by that point

The best thing (worst for confed) about salamander is that he can heal to almost full hp when retreating after destroying a bunch of torrents

[iron meadow]

Rank 22, win rate near 70% usually. Less if I'm cheesing an event.

Why wouldn't dragonflies kill heroes? Most of them can't even target air. Seraphim goes quick to like 9 Dflies...

[iron meadow]

They're not squishy. I find that ONLY assaults can kill them easily, and nobody runs full assault. Also, I pair with porcupine usually

Their problem is they produce slow

[rocky trellis]

like levi can kill several cyclone without ability
ig the same will be for atlas

so assuming 50% after it's launch