class 8 leviathan can’t kill infantry with a shield?

[analog rapids]

We need balance update. This is ridiculous. Maxed class 8 leviathan. https://youtu.be/hE8_2IFPfZY?si=fwycyvX1btrpPkJ7

[astral flame]

i smell high skill rank

and maxed shield too

Also if u notice, nuke deals way less dmg to infantry

as a balancing feature

Same way solaris beam sometimes doesn’t kill infantry under shield in one shot

[analog rapids]

We are both skill 19

Maxed accounts

[astral flame]

Nuke deals less dmg to infantry btw.

[analog rapids]

I see that

That’s a joke tho. Solaris obliterates mine.

Whatever

[oblique summit]

@analog rapids 3 things to note here

[analog rapids]

Yes. Shield imba. Confed imba. Leviathan worthless

[oblique summit]

1. for your rank recommended levi is C9-10
2. nuke armor 1 damage is very weak compared to it's armor 3 and 2 dmg
3. if you are facing shided infantry you already won)

[analog rapids]

Who has a class 9/10 leviathan at rank 23?!?

And it took an hour to win that

[oblique summit]

C9 for 23

[analog rapids]

Yea who has that

1 person?

Maybe. Lol

That’s the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. Recommended level is 9-10. Hahahahhahahahhah

😆🤣

[oblique summit]

and no one does

which is only problem

@analog rapids lemme get this right

so your argue right now

is that you die to shielded infantry and you need a counter?

[analog rapids]

No

[oblique summit]

riflemen without shield will kill solaris

nuke not killing infantry isn't a valid argue

[analog rapids]

Ok whatever you say

[oblique summit]

you have a point that levi nuke isn't effective enough vs zts due to pay wall

[analog rapids]

That for sure

[oblique summit]

but thats it

[analog rapids]

It’s alot of things but this is definitely one of them.

[oblique summit]

thats it bro trust me

for balance

if you vet the heroes somehow it's 100% balanced

and resistance more fun and have better chances in many situations

and this problem

will either be solved by a blueprint system reform either less bp needed or more ways to get them or with new heroes where both resistance and confed will suffer equally and therefore balanced but p2w will have slightly more advatage

[analog rapids]

This has nothing to do with that. You don’t get what I’m saying. Whatever

This is about shield imba

Not heros

If shield can make even infantry invulnerable to the best resis weapon then there is a big problem.

[oblique summit]

look bro

as i said

when you have C10 levi

shield is worthless

actually

when heroes came

shield was espicially buffed

for confeds to have better chances vs leviathan

[analog rapids]

Well that’s great for the two people who have that

[oblique summit]

otherwise old shield would get fucked

[analog rapids]

Lol a bit premature to make that buff then

[oblique summit]

thats gets us back to the first point please re read

[analog rapids]

Same issue. No one has that. Will be years till there

But ok

[oblique summit]

@analog rapids

[analog rapids]

Im not here to argue with u. Im here to share the ridiculousness

[oblique summit]

both solutions are lukely to come in future

[oblique summit]

good then im just giving my thoughts ^^

not only ur posts

all interesting posts

[worn cipher]

I think to solve shields imbalances
Developers should increase the cost of upgrading shield

[viscid crag]

Makes no sense that infantry withstand a nuke. Just logically why would that ever be the case. Even if you have units do less damage to armor 1, there's no situation that an infantry unit should survive the special weapon from a tier 3 hero. that goes for Lev and Solairs. Like in what game does the best unit not destroy the weakest unit easily

[oblique summit]

@viscid crag with shield only

[viscid crag]

Shield doesn’t change the logic.

[oblique summit]

it does

infantries with a shield will survive nuke

cause they have shield

normal infantries die

[viscid crag]

Yes and that is absolutely ridiculous. The fact you think that makes sense and don’t see anything wrong with the pure logic of it means we’ll never agree. It should be just common sense that the weakest unit in the game won’t survive what’s supposed to be one of the most powerful attacks even if it has a shield buff. Shield should not make every unit withstand a nuke to the face

[worn cipher]

If the weakest person can't die super weapon of the strongest here levi then jags and other units won't kill them
And an enemy can just decide to spam infantry and shield which will have no counter

[analog rapids]

💯 they buffed survivability of all infantry a while back and with the shield they become too strong. Shield needs the most attention on balance imho. It makes everything else exponentially worse

[oblique summit]

@viscid crag let's look at it from another angle

riflemen will beat the hell out of solaris

imagine if a confed now comes and starts saying oh no, 0 logic inaftry killing solaris

ur in a game where riflemen kill hammers and zeus

what you expect when adding shield to those would happen????

just the thinking of logic doesn't make sense

if you want logic

where's nuke radiation

how does levistrafe without strong side engines

how tf can levi move backwards and shoot?
and more importantly how does it carry and launch a nuke in first place while airborn??
how is nuke replenished??

see these questions? you're sounding exactly like them my guy, asking for logical sense in a game

[viscid crag]

Solaris should kill infantry easily too. It’s a tier 3 hero.

You just don’t understand what we’re saying

[oblique summit]

you want logic

in a game

which isn't possible

[worn cipher]

I don't see riffle man kill zeus

[willow saffron]

Riflemen could never take down a damn solaris... idk where that weak excuse could come from..
Second, they buffed.. a unit that already buffs every unit on confed? Even heroes? All for a weak nuke ? Gtfoh

No one's gonna have a C10 Lev for years. That excuse is completely b.s. too. Let alone any free players... your talking big spenders. That's it. Not the core player base of the game. Which is not spending thousands on this bs. So that flys in the face of gear games logic. That's strictly for spenders, which is all heroes are in this game. For spenders. More you spend "better you'll be".

And we're talking about logic of gear games "thinking"... not random specifics. If one unit completely changes the game, it's not illogical to be critical if it's impact. Solaris is ridiculous by itself, but add shields... and all the favors it has against resistance defenses...and it's stupid. Not logical at all

This game favors confed heavily. If you can't see that, than your biased. There's no way solaris and Lev are on equal footing merely because solaris is defenseless against air.. it's strength is damn near doubled with one unit. . Add 3 more of that same unit...and I would like to see what you throw at that group to kill the solaris. Of course you need a few typhoons for air defense, but that's it.

You put two evenly maxed, jcp army and Lev ...against any similar zts army with a Solaris... and that solaris will not be killed without losing all of the jcp and probably Lev too... odds are, you won't kill it at all... and you'll be screwed afterwards.

The special for solaris kills units outright, full health, and it even negates chameleons ability with its chain lightning..
Levs nuke cannot do that... only thing it can kill outright is "unshielded" infantry..everything else it weakens.

[astral flame]

Which they can’t

And it’s a common thing to see

People spamming infantry to chase away a solaris

Or killing leviathans with heavy assault

[oblique summit]

@willow saffron look buddy

if you already scrolled up

and copied what we were saing

please scroll up again to ready what i had to say about the exact situation

[oblique summit]

.

im not gonna repeat myself 10 time

[oblique summit]

well guess what

im a resistance player

resistance only relies too much on micro

have you done the perfect micro ( not required) you can beat all confed units with jcp

so the more skill u put into resistance the better it pays pff

and even now

with levi on avg 2-3 classes weaker

you can still beat confederation

solaris isn't invincible and fog fuck solaris up real bad

cause solaris main advantage is range and when you destroy the enemy zts and solaris is alone that solaris will die easily even if shielded

as fog denies solaris range because you will have to stop and force fire then get shot back by jags

while without fog u just score free shots

untill then solaris is just additional firepower to confed army and so is levi nuke

so no need for drama

[warm garden]

@oblique summit You forgot abiut USAMA he killed capp Mixen easily because Resistance imba

[oblique summit]

i dont forget about usama but he's really 1 guy with insane heroes

but even with weaker heroes you can still fight qell after HQ4 on resistance

HQ3 there's an imbalance due to dogshit dillos

[warm garden]

nah let him cry Alot, When He taste the powa Of C12 Levi He will just brag of how he killed Capp Mixen Without blinking

[warm garden]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[warm garden]

You forgot about vikings has no anti air

[oblique summit]

look

90% of complaints

are nonsense

[warm garden]

Thats true

[oblique summit]

only rhing they have right to complain abou

is leviathan paywall

[warm garden]

The game is P2w

[oblique summit]

you need C10 levi fpr it to be effectivr

[oblique summit]

generally no

[warm garden]

Levi is strong!
But need C10-12

[oblique summit]

yes

[viscid crag]

I’m not talking about logic compared to real life. I am saying that the strongest unit’s special attack in the game should easily kill the weakest unit. If you disagree that’s fine but my opinion is that both tier 3 heroes special attack should be able to wipe out any infantry it hits, regardless if shielded

[warm garden]

Then it will disrupt the balance Imagine nuke kills like 40 cp in one shot and Beam Only Kills 1 rifleman

[oblique summit]

it does kill the weakest unit

but shielded infantry aren't even close to being weakest unit in game

and unlike other games

[astral flame]

Imagine a shielded rifleman

[oblique summit]

this game system has 3 different armor types

[astral flame]

or a shielded chameleon that covers each other

[astral flame]

Stock leviathan nuke deals 5k dmg to infantry

7k to armor 2

[oblique summit]

so you can't say if nuke wont kill riflemen it won't kill hammers@viscid crag

[astral flame]

12k to armor 3

[oblique summit]

they are simply 2 different scales

[oblique summit]

exactly what im saying

scales are different

[astral flame]

Yes

[oblique summit]

if nuke armor 1 dmg is weal

doesn't mean nuke can't fuck up tanks

[viscid crag]

I understand how it works right now and we’re just disagreeing on how it should work which is fine. We don’t need to agree. I think if I attack a Solaris with 40 cp of infantry and it hits them with its special attack then yeah it should wipe them all that are in the path of the special attack even if shielded. I know that’s not how it works now. You think the current system is fine which is ok but multiple people giving the same feedback shouldn’t just be dismissed with well you need c10 hero and that’s just how it is.

[oblique summit]

well then fine

[analog rapids]

All I wanna say is…

https://tenor.com/view/weed-half-baked-approve-points-thumbs-up-gif-17532247

[warm garden]

In star league its c9-C12 if below That Dont complain Because the moment you saw the power of those Leviathan,We Resistance shut up and never complain (It happened on me since i complain about solaris daily)

[twilit root]

@analog rapids fun fact

Leviathan damage against tier 1 armour is like 3x worse that against tier 3 armour

[analog rapids]

Makes total sense

[twilit root]

Same way with Solaris

Their damage is a lot worse against tier 1 armour

Screenshot the nuke damage from your leviathan pls

[analog rapids]

The difference is that unlike shield, resis infantry will die from Solaris because fog does nothing.

This is not a gripe on leviathan or infantry survival

More on how imba the shield it

That was the joke

[twilit root]

Infantry on both sides kill both heroes if you don't move it

Leviathan will die from heavies same as solaris from grenadiers

[analog rapids]

Yes the issue wasn’t that the damage affect’s anything different

Was that infantry spam with shield becomes ridiculous now

[twilit root]

It's easily countered 😉

[analog rapids]

If grenadiers had the buff with fog like heavy’s do with shield then I’d be more content

[warm garden]

[analog rapids]

Lol no

[twilit root]

I used assaults shield heroes but a lot lack the knowledge to counter it

[analog rapids]

C8

[warm garden]

Still arguing about solaris imba

[analog rapids]

This isn’t about Solaris

[twilit root]

17k vs t3 armour
7k vs t1 armour

You lost 10k damage

[analog rapids]

But now that u mention it

[warm garden]

Levi

[warm garden]

Its not like 1 auto cannon wont do any damage

[analog rapids]

It won’t

[twilit root]

1 auto cannon from leviathan = solaris damage

Leviathan has more firepower

[analog rapids]

Gtfoh

[warm garden]

No one will believe us unless you do it in a Video they think We are in drugs

[analog rapids]

First thing you said that I agree with

[warm garden]

Its not like Acid + nuke do anything🤣🤣🤣🤣

[analog rapids]

Show me a lev dominating a Solaris

Show me countering this stuff

[twilit root]

Rude

[astral flame]

[warm garden]

Rip

[astral flame]

[analog rapids]

Show me how cuda wins vs Poseidon when hiding behind torpedos

Show me how jcp can fight zts easy

I wanna see these things I keep hearing

[warm garden]

subs has more range

[analog rapids]

I am the only one here making vids. Prove me wrong

[astral flame]

Well

Alot

U see

[analog rapids]

Show

[warm garden]

Resistance is not a Faction to fight head on

[oblique summit]

@analog rapids bro focus with me here

T3 heroes

dont coutner infantry well

[warm garden]

@oblique summit He thinks we are in drugs just let him think about it

[oblique summit]

but leviathan in particular

fucks up al infantry

and if you need T3 heroes for infantries

then it's a skill issue

[analog rapids]

I am certainly not the only one here with this argument

[warm garden]

@oblique summit He doesnt even know that a rifleman can Waste 1 Passive ability Solaris

[oblique summit]

skill issues are common then

look bro

it's simple

fog denies all infantry

[astral flame]

They do make funny moments tho

[analog rapids]

If this is skill issue then come fight me and see

[analog rapids]

Yes I know I was there

That was me

Lol

[oblique summit]

will i kill you with infantry and shield???

[astral flame]

[analog rapids]

No. I did not lose there. But it took an hour to beat a maxed player with skill 20 and a rank up on me doing that.

That is stupid

[oblique summit]

ok then

here's the problem

[analog rapids]

Yea yea I’m the problem

There is no issue here

Bla bla

[astral flame]

…

[analog rapids]

Make an argument-all good. Show me I’m wrong

Don’t tell me. Show me

[oblique summit]

you are complaining because a certain unit didn't counter a certain tactic which if you ask me doesn't make much sense it's like complaining why doesn't fortress kill dragons

[analog rapids]

No

Not the complaint

[warm garden]

Who will even agree with you? sieg? tracie? You can ask Him he literally agree before shield was buffed, he knew shield suck so bad

[oblique summit]

do you need a video showing you leviathan vs 100 cp infantry and shield?????

[warm garden]

Even bivvza nor treff wont even agree with u

[analog rapids]

Complaint is simply that shield is so OP.

[oblique summit]

..

[warm garden]

@oblique summit No he wants levi Kills entire confed In one shot

[analog rapids]

Im so glad gear games has reps like you guys. Really makes for a nice community. Caring so much and defending the party line. Wow.

[astral flame]

Lol

[analog rapids]

If only they cared about the balance thre same way

[oblique summit]

i can just ignore ur post if you want

im giving you reasonable answers

[analog rapids]

That’s fine. Thanks for your concern

[oblique summit]

that isn't a part of my job

[warm garden]

@oblique summit Then he forget that we play resistance

[oblique summit]

if u wanna talk to urself its very easy @analog rapids

[analog rapids]

You guys play resis in this game or sandbox?

What rank

[oblique summit]

getting offended by literally nothing

[oblique summit]

i am resistance on main

it's in my roles

[analog rapids]

Rank?

[oblique summit]

and i am reasoning with you despite experience a netter solution would be to ignore people literally complaining about INFANTRY

INFANTRY on star league gets useless

zeus kills grenadiers almost

[analog rapids]

10th time saying same thing. This is about shield

[oblique summit]

with with jags and heavies

[analog rapids]

What rank r u

[oblique summit]

ypur argue should be

i nuked zeus shield

[analog rapids]

Rank?

[oblique summit]

and only 50% of zeus was left

[analog rapids]

Rank?

[oblique summit]

@analog rapids star league in sand and diamond league on main

[analog rapids]

What class

[oblique summit]

and don't spam ill answer you

[oblique summit]

im giving an examlle

[analog rapids]

These things matter

You say it changes with class

Show me

I have higher class and rank and skill and yet still don’t have those stats like us at vs anything. So what gives

[twilit root]

Leviathan frontal cannon damage vs tier 3 armour per minute = 93,787.2

Solaris damage vs tier 3 armour per minute = 113,715.3

20k damage difference

Leviathan side cannons vs tier 3 armour per minute = 59,640 x 2 as 2 sides = 119,280

Leviathan will kill tier 3 armour army faster than Solaris due to shooting 3 units at the same time

[oblique summit]

im giving you example on how reasonable complaints should be

[oblique summit]

i dont have stats?

i have all stats you want

but those who complain

dont listen to numbers

in general

[oblique summit]

no no

leviathan is dogshit

zeus will kill levi

[twilit root]

You bet?

[oblique summit]

in 3v1 zeus die to zeus apparently

[oblique summit]

1 zeus takes 30% from levi

[twilit root]

We can go try later

[analog rapids]

I understand this. And yes may be true. However just like porc vs typhoons. Porcs have extra guns but they are not better still at shooting planes. Lol

[twilit root]

After my work finishes

[oblique summit]

shield imba

@twilit root sarcasm

[oblique summit]

they are vs cyclones and thors

[analog rapids]

You haven’t said numbers

[analog rapids]

No

[oblique summit]

too much effort for soemkne who probably wont listen

i can do numbers anytime

[analog rapids]

Ok great. Then don’t say you are giving numbers when you aren’t

[oblique summit]

bro

do i have to count for u the dpm???

porcs have significantly higher dpm

but less dps

[analog rapids]

I watch typhoons kill albas where thor outrun porc rockets.

[oblique summit]

i said people won't listen tp numbers

[analog rapids]

Show

Prove

Don’t tell me

Show me if you’re so accurate

[oblique summit]

thors don't outrun porcs missles

[analog rapids]

Yes

I watched it other day

They just fizzle out

Don’t hit anything but empty air

In r23/24 I fought max player and was watching 15 porcs do nothing to a few Thor. Just hilariously

But you are all welcome to your opinions

Seems this is why the game balance is so flawed. Got biased testers without objective reality

Tell me this. In your opinion is confed imba or no? Is balance perfect or no? Star league only.

I really wanna see somone actually kill full zts with Solaris using jcp and lev . I would like to see resis rule shit at my rank. I don’t believe it’s possible to counter certain things.

But I’m will to watch if somone wants to prove me wrong

[oblique summit]

@analog rapids here enjoy

(228×150×0.93)+(71×266×0.6)=43,137.6

456×75×0.99=33,858

typhoons on siege have around 78% the dmg of that of porc

per minute

accuracy included

want stats???

it feels slower cs jets move away before porcs unleash full salvo

[analog rapids]

I didn’t say they were stronger. Just better. Typhoons rockets are faster. They hit farther out after launching from what I see.

[oblique summit]

but cyclones and thros take full dmg

[oblique summit]

they why make me calculate it)

and it's 31% more dmg

31%

[analog rapids]

I didn’t make you calculate the damage of porc. This isn’t a game on paper. It’s a dynamic environment. More damage doesn’t always mean better

[oblique summit]

@analog rapids

see why you people aren't worth the fucking effort for a detailed accurate proof?

[analog rapids]

For instance. Lev has more ‘firepower’ than Solaris per nightsoul. It certainly isn’t better by any stretch of the imagination

[oblique summit]

cz u won't listen anyway

[oblique summit]

it's simple

solaris have similar fp

for higher speed

so speed allows it tl deal free dmg

[analog rapids]

We are not having the same argument

[oblique summit]

while levi can't harrass enemy units due to speed

it's simple

numbers explain everything

[analog rapids]

Answer me this. Is Confed imba in your opinion?

In star league

[oblique summit]

slight advatage in higher ranks due to paywall for resistance heroes

[analog rapids]

But you believe that everything else fine. Navy and shields and air speeds and AA and infantry. Everything

It’s all fine?

[oblique summit]

thing is

[analog rapids]

So if I had a better lev. Better than 99% of players I’d have zero issues?

[oblique summit]

there are flaws

and short map navy have flaws

and i agree on that

[analog rapids]

Such as?

[oblique summit]

most ur posts had solid points and arguments

but that doesn't mean a faction is destroyed and other isn't

on navy u can resort to land in short maps where resistance have better chances

[analog rapids]

I wann make sure I understand ur points-So if I had a better lev. Better than 99% of players I’d have zero issues?

[oblique summit]

and its hard to balance navy cause 3 unit types knly

2nd line units

coming after some time

will solve all navy imbalances

shield

got buffed for levi nuke

but players aren't reaching that storng level on nuke due to paywall

so some imbalance caused

[analog rapids]

Not some. The vast majority

[oblique summit]

vertex is much more manueverable than hawks

but hawks can still intercept and win with right timing

so not a huge problem there

[analog rapids]

Seems you have similar opinions to our concerns here. So why the argument

[oblique summit]

lastly dillos and hammers dillos are useless fucking up resistance HQ3 tactics u are limited to jags and dflies

[oblique summit]

because you dont agree on solutions

those are imbalances

[analog rapids]

The only solution is balance update

[oblique summit]

but you can avoid them its just hard to do and might lose u very few games every now and then

[oblique summit]

ok 1 per one

for heroes i already told u solution

for navy we need 2nd line

it'll either be insane advatage for resistance with buffed cudas or some advatage in small maps for confed

once 2nd line units arrive

more variety for sea so easier balance

[analog rapids]

Lol I have heard of these navy units coming. I’m not impressed. Just more stuff to buy because of inherent imbalance then

[oblique summit]

veryex and hawks are fine maybe 10% speed for hawks or some maneuverability but nothing real serious

[oblique summit]

only in small maps

[analog rapids]

And that is one of my main issues right now

[oblique summit]

how often so you meet strong experienced enemies in small maps?

[oblique summit]

any ideas?

[analog rapids]

Maybe 60-70% lately

[analog rapids]

Yes I do actually.

[oblique summit]

impossible to totally balance

if you buff resistance navy it'll be superior

[analog rapids]

Hand but not impossible

[oblique summit]

and for dillos

those need a buff

thats it

[oblique summit]

what is it

[twilit root]

I will always pick leviathan over solaris

The problem is having maxed class is hard for r22+

[analog rapids]

Here is my issues specifically. 1.shield too strong. No one has a good enough elf and won’t for a very very long time. Needs nerf by a lot. Of buff fog to where it can survive a bit longer than one direct shot from Solaris.

[oblique summit]

yea

[analog rapids]

2.poseidon imba on small maps. Cudas worthless mostly everywhere. Firing takes too long. Force fire requires too much micro. Accuracy should be much higher

[oblique summit]

this has been proposed and devs will most likely not agree as jcp with good micro already beats up current ZTS

[analog rapids]

How many players in game have that

[oblique summit]

not easy but possible

[oblique summit]

that wont fix it

solaris will ripp them off anyway

[analog rapids]

This is one of those things I don’t believe. I would@like to see one player with jcp kill equal max player with zts. Same rank in star league

[warm garden]

Resistance on main, I used to be rank 24+ In main but that Was too long And I Literally Agree that shield must be buff I think that was 4-5 Years ago
in my days We kill shield with 6 hawks Alone or butchered the entire Zts with 12 hawks alone then what If Levi exist before? Resistance imba Confed no chance of winning?
look OmG he speaks of sandbox daily and Forget about USAMA who is butchering class 8 Solaris with Class 8 Levi Which is According to you is very useless? I watch ebrahim Having No problem on shields,Neither Bivvza, Treff, Digger, Falcon Aow3, and other strong resist, I bet Usama can make Mammoth/sniper and Barracuda very Useful, whats the difference? skill Issue to be exact
Do you even watch Danke dir? Well XDDDD
our Arguement Wont End In here its either you just want a Win For yourself And After you witnessed the Time where Playing confed is just a Massacre You Just Ignore us and just Keep your alibi that Levi is Garbage and say i am Better...
I am Glad that i Played Sopra than konfa or Ill just die complaining How Broken levi is... levi can deal 50℅ i think and + the Acid it could be 80% or so, if levi one shot without acid what will happened if Nuke + acid kn Hq4? Then it will die?
Its not like When levi toss his nuke It wouldnt kill any thors which are docked

[oblique summit]

i seen many its not that rae

@analog rapids problem lays in effort

[warm garden]

@oblique summit Shield isnt problem

[oblique summit]

confeds offer much less effort for equal opportunities vs resistance

which wont change

[twilit root]

Barracudas torpedoes has more firing range than viking torpedoes, cuda fires first lol

[warm garden]

We have Blueprint problem

[oblique summit]

but have literally 60% hp and 60% armor

66%*

[oblique summit]

yes

[analog rapids]

I appreciate all your feedback but I really don’t agree and kinda don’t believe more than half the stuff here. So whatever. But thanks

[oblique summit]

bro

why would we lie to u )

trust me ignoring is much easier

but its up to you man

[warm garden]

We cant blame him he is new to the game

[oblique summit]

he's not

it's just that sometimes it gets overwhelming

[warm garden]

Ask Every old resist how Garbage shield is(before) and they will answer you its either shield before or shield now

[analog rapids]

I think we’re playing two completely different games here. I’ve been playing like 4 years. R24 confed. R23 resis. Not new. Just very different experiences

I’m only talking about now.

I don’t care before. Because even then Confed was imba imho.

[twilit root]

Poseidon hss 7k more damage against tier 3 armour than cuda missiles

[analog rapids]

Lol I kno

[warm garden]

I like mathematics🗿

[oblique summit]

still playable -_-

[warm garden]

Resistance advantage = Stonks
The map must be Medium or Large if its small its Very very very stressful but a chance to win

[oblique summit]

i think argument is over

[warm garden]

Oh yeah i almost forgot Poseidon was very trash before

[oblique summit]

we all ssid what we have to say

[warm garden]

They are worse than Subs

[oblique summit]

further arguments are just a waste of time

[warm garden]

I am glad it was buffed

[astral flame]

U guys still arguing

[warm garden]

@astral flame @oblique summit Lets stop

[oblique summit]

before

[oblique summit]

exactly

[warm garden]

Thats why it got buffed xD end of discussion after this msg we stop

[analog rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/i-like-you-youre-crazy-will-ferrell-i-like-you-but-gif-5858970

[twilit root]

Yeah, now hand me your money

[cold goblet]

🤔 what if shield was +1 cp?
Also no one mentioned that its very easy for units to dodge soloris and noy so much by Levi...
(In not an expert I just thought these things should be mentioned)

[twilit root]

Solaris dodged easier then leviathan?

Lol

Solaris fires it's ability faster than leviathan by like x3

[cold goblet]

Yes but if you sread out your units it can't hit all

[twilit root]

Yes this is true

It hits 1 or 2 jags or miss

If all placed

[cold goblet]

So although it one shots infantry it won't hit all

[warm garden]

@twilit root let them complain about solaris barely kills Porcs and zues/typhoons cant escape Levi nuke

[royal coyote]

Imho based on game logic, you could argue confed infantry armor could help to protect from blasts
Which by itself isnt enough logically, but with a high tech barrier combined it makes sense to me

Maybe not in the center of the nuke

[viscid crag]

Agreed. Not cemetery of nuke or Solaris special attack. Outside of center fine

[royal coyote]

Yeah, you definitely have a point there

Maybe make a center of levas nuke more damaging?

Or better yet! Make barriers shielding powerless in the center of the nuke!

Basically the center would ignore barrier

[viscid crag]

I don’t think nuke or Solaris special should kill a shielded Zeus or anything. I think the damage it does to those types of units is appropriate.

[viscid crag]

Keep in mind that Solaris has huge range and speed too. So it can stay out of range of units and run away without being caught. Whereas Lev is slow and while it’s doing damage from cannons it will get caught by units to get killed. If you take away the fact that Solaris can use shield then the two seem to be balanced in that view

[viscid crag]

You got to be joking that Solaris barely kills porc. It two or three shots jags easy

[royal coyote]

I find it a little bit ridiculous that solaris has both long range and good mobility

Those 2 are usually horrible combination for balance

I mean sure, its an elite of elite of units

But leva has neither mobility nor long range...

[viscid crag]

I think the range is a bigger issue. The fact it can go on sea and is levitating so torpedo towers do no damage is crazy too

[royal coyote]

It just has multiple cannons

[royal coyote]

Yeah, this is just beyond me

It can do all that

While being cheaper 200 rss

I guess you can fight it with air units on sea

[viscid crag]

And shield can buff all the confed heroes while fog can only help one which is a support unit

[royal coyote]

This too

[viscid crag]

The point of this post by eagle was that shield is a problem

[viscid crag]

Yeah they flipped the script. Usually resistance weaker but faster and cheaper

[royal coyote]

Yep, this is ridiculous

I mean I understand, they wanted to make an edgy strongest unit for confed

But hell, its a little bit of a stretch

[viscid crag]

Overall an awesome game and they are trying things out. Just need to be open to making adjustments and listening to feedback when it isn’t ridiculous and biased

[royal coyote]

Agreed

Did you see my mine rework proposal?

I highly hope they implement it

[viscid crag]

What do you propose? I don’t use them enough to have any real feedback. Too expensive and not my style of play

[royal coyote]

#1147680662086758553

Or wait, Ill do an ss for you since there is a lot of scrolling

[viscid crag]

I’ll catch up on that later. Looks like a read lol

[royal coyote]

Yeee, dont read all that

Just the proposal

Ill send you in dm

[warm garden]

We tested Many times Already and check How capable solaris is And What we got is.... Theres a Chance where that solaris kills 1-2 Jaguar or 1 Cham Then as resistance i would take that trade and Kill 6 zues instantly because jcp shoot first and kill those low hp zues
Then Imagine after i killed those zues and i run back then wait for another dettachment of fresh unit to fight, Then thats it If i were you i would sto wasting my Time of thinkint about solaris and just think about cerberus that can kill 2 Jaguars or kill chameleon after it jump of it because of friendly fire and damage of skill

[warm garden]

Because when Levi used acid and Nuke combo i would take 6 zues for free when my jcp killed it

We can complain that vertex will rip off our levi then where's our Porcs and Hawks? yes, We dont have it
Resistance Takes more container than confed so we can produce more i forgot that Part since i play resis mainly

[white wind]

Fire assaults

[warm garden]

Remember Fire assaults dont jump when they dont detect any units

[white wind]

Must be a skill issue on my end then

[royal coyote]

The thing is you 100% need levi to be supported cuz of low mobility and having to be on the front

Sola doesnt have to face damage cuz of range and still can reposition quick, thats the difference

[warm garden]

If they see fog they dont jump unless they see a unit then They say hi to levi Auto cannon and meet their maker

[royal coyote]

I guess you could argue solaris needs typhoon escort too because of hawks

[white wind]

It all change when chameleon is out

[warm garden]

Nope, If you have Zts(zues, typhoon, shield) your solaris is behind your Zts

If you put it infront and it tank and die

[royal coyote]

Yes

[warm garden]

Leviathan will eat you Alive

[royal coyote]

Thats what I meant

But Im not refering to solaris and leva 1v1

Im talking about map pressure, flanking they can provide

[white wind]

Somehow there would always be some jaguars who always go out of position

Probably should improve my micro and timing more

[warm garden]

If we talk about all Hero gameplay resistance is imba

Seraphim dies like a flying chicken

[royal coyote]

True

[warm garden]

Cerberus jumps and dies

solaris will juet run for its life

[white wind]

At lower ranks , that chicken was always used to like, destroy an airfield

[royal coyote]

From what?

[warm garden]

Jcp

[royal coyote]

Rly?

[warm garden]

Skill issue

[white wind]

What do you expect from low ranks

[royal coyote]

Doesnt it outrange them?

[warm garden]

Do you really think solaris can defend itself without beam nor its passive?

[royal coyote]

No but it can shoot from afar

[warm garden]

No because solaris cannot shoot fog

[white wind]

Yes, but you need to force fire

Which basically makes Solaris's mobility useless

[warm garden]

You need to manually force fire

Which doesnt make you move

[royal coyote]

Ohhh

[warm garden]

Then that Thing dies

[royal coyote]

It has no vision!

Good

I wanted to ask about it too

So its a firepower unit

[warm garden]

@royal coyote no, It just doesnt shoot

[royal coyote]

That needs a frontline

[warm garden]

You need to manually shoot

They need to detect units to shoot

Inside the fog

[royal coyote]

You said fog
So not enough vision for its full range

Oh you meant chameleon...

[white wind]

Unless they were somehow able to snipe the chameleon with its energy beam

[warm garden]

Which i doubt would even hit

[white wind]

I would say , 1/100 chance

[warm garden]

Every resistance dettachment has 3 fogs 2 active and the 3rd one is for retreating or when one cham dies from a zues with solaris force fire

So even if you beam one theres still some more or just miss

[white wind]

Hit and run tactic at its finest

[warm garden]

Then imagine when solaris beamed you without you activating its fog

[white wind]

Might as well call it a day

[warm garden]

You literally have a Massive skill issue you have a Wasp which have a good vision and levi too

then when you got beamed because you didnt notice a solaris you complain The beam who literally have 1 out of 5 chances of hitting anything good

[royal coyote]

Thank God chameleon exists

[white wind]

Despite that , I still think Solaris is a bit op in lower ranks

Especially where chameleon don't even come into play at those ranks

[warm garden]

Wanna know how to bait punishment, Solaris passive and beam? Its simple Have atleast 2 fog 3 Jags and 2 cham

[white wind]

Ouh 3v3 is coming

[royal coyote]

Yeah

[white wind]

Gotta play first

[warm garden]

Open up 2 fog then position it infront of his base

[royal coyote]

In lower before you get a chameleon youll have a massive struggle

And even when you get it, its energy is very limited

[warm garden]

Also add Levi and heroes

[warm garden]

And after you baited him just run back xD without using your hero skill

[royal coyote]

Thats nice

[warm garden]

Both energy was nerfed

[royal coyote]

Yea but at lower ranks it takes ages to recharge

Not to mention fog aoe is small

And ress income is small

[warm garden]

In lower leagues T3 is garbage and jcp is playable in rank 19

[royal coyote]

No no, I think jcp is good at lower

[warm garden]

Infantries will kill it alone

[royal coyote]

Cuz its just a good unit overall

[royal coyote]

I mix it with snipers or rifles

And porcs

[warm garden]

Or before you get a jaguar 2 or 3 hammer factories will eat you

[royal coyote]

True

[warm garden]

Even right now i still hate hammers

[royal coyote]

Hammer spam in lower is more consistent

But like

When u get jcp its worth it

[warm garden]

No one has a solution vs Capp mixen hammers

[royal coyote]

At least when youre a good player

[warm garden]

Even treff cant win

[royal coyote]

True...

Which is why my mine proposal would be helpful again! Hahaha

[warm garden]

Only a strong levi is a solution

Which -Usama- Has

Anyways imma sleep irs 11:51pm for me gn for me

[royal coyote]

Gn bro

[worn cipher]

If all in units are in fog and 1 goes out solaris passive ability still works

[analog rapids]

Solaris passive works fully under fog still. It sees right thru it

[warm garden]

Why have 1 fog than 2 or 3?

[oblique summit]

he meant 1 unit goes out of fog

chain will hit that unit and apply to unit inside the fog as well yes

[twilit root]

Even if its inside fog

If you hit a unut inside fog with force firing then it would also work

[worn cipher]

And that's very bad
I think I should be a myth

How can chain lighting hit something invisible

[worn cipher]

Fog is fog
Because one shield can still be unstoppable

[oblique summit]

it's visible if you get close enough

[worn cipher]

That's no what am saying bro
Any other unit can see unit inside fog when close to it

[oblique summit]

then solaris ability would be useless

i think solaris passive is balanced

it's much weaker than leviathan passive

the flares levi shoot are more more important than solaris chain dmg

[worn cipher]

@oblique summit
What I mean is Solaris can still kill chameleon even without seeing it or force firing

[oblique summit]

yes

which is why it needs to shoot through fog

[worn cipher]

Just one unit getting out of fog can cause Solaris to kill units in it

Which is not balance

[oblique summit]

if solaris force fire inside fog and hit enemy itll hit other units

which is fine

it's strong

but not OP

[worn cipher]

I don't see resistance fog being too imba as supposed
Zts will survive albatross but jcp won't survive thor

[oblique summit]

nope

thors wont hit jcp lol

jags are fast enough to dodge if you predict well

and thors can hit nothing even if they hit fog

and even if they hit jags they'll rarely destroy many

as jags will be spread well

[worn cipher]

Thors kil jcp
Because player won't manuev forever and opponent can also predict as to when to bomb or where to throw bomb

[oblique summit]

exactly

they kill because many players don't have the capacity to mivro jcp properly to avoid

but that's a skill issue

as long as you can avoid them it's not an imbalance

wether you personally arr capable to perform this or not isn't really a problem for game resistance is simoly harder to play

[warm garden]

Make 1 Thor means lack of zues then die

[warm garden]

If you watch too rip amor or bloodrage ur getting brain washed even cappmixen doesnt spam thors

@oblique summit They also forget that Oh No Wasp Exist and has has somewhere 10 range😂😂😂😂😂
How can we not see a Solaris coming and spread our jcp and actuvate fog

[astral flame]

That’s the reason you can’t just spam jets vs jcp

[worn cipher]

Am not talking about same faction battle

[worn cipher]

They play same faction battles

[warm garden]

who said i am Talking about same Faction?
If confed vs Confed who ever got 25 vertex instantly win
If resist vs confa
Rush thor then die
Imagine Jcp come out in 4 mins and an Army Came at your doorstep then you are rushing with 1 thors and then die

So many Complain About Jcp Before But When they realized you can Play Zts You can Actually Beat Jcp Haad to Head

[white wind]

In a nutshell, it's all just a skill issue

Sure the Solaris is fast asf, can still make use of its passive even under fogs. It's active ability is not as strong like the levi's

Just one of that small nuke and you could change the fate of the battle

[oblique summit]

the problem is solaris relies on actual stats

while levi relies on nuke

which makes maxing solaris easier cause u can max basics for R24 for example with a C7 solaris

while leviathan will need to get C9 nuke to be effectivr

which is costly

[white wind]

Agreed

Could make use of some change in the blueprints system

But overall both of the heroes are already balanced in their own way (well, except for lower ranks where chameleon rarely even enter the battle, if that's the case I would say solaris has the edge there)

[royal coyote]

Even seraphim dominates lower ranks

That place is hard for res

[royal coyote]

Well thankfully my opponents with sera are braindead and afk in front of my porcupines

[white wind]

I heard that at those ranks seraphim was used to like, destroy the airfield

[royal coyote]

Currently he melts lvl2 avia factory in less than 10 seconds 🗿

[white wind]

Damn

[astral flame]

Until u get rank 12 and play 33 only for some r14 who actually knows how to operate a solaris to ruin all 3 of u guys’ days

[astral flame]

Ever seen a maxed lv2 aviafactory?

[royal coyote]

Ever seen a maxed sera?

It goes both ways

[astral flame]

Yes. I’ve seen max solaris too

In fact i just so happened to own one

[royal coyote]

Well than thats not an excuse

[astral flame]

not 100% maxed though but it’s still strong af

I need bp for class 3 though

[white wind]

[warm garden]

And then i watch Class 7 solaris Barely do anything Vs Jcp

[white wind]

not surprising

[warm garden]

Or was it Actually Class 8

oh no Resistance imba

It was funny when Levi nuked zts
Jcp finished the job and then solaris is running for its live

[white wind]

And somehow make its way to your base

Solaris be like : I Am Speed

[worn cipher]

I think it should be Solaris saying that "faster than light" instead of cayote

[astral flame]

Solaris supremacy

[white wind]

[tacit nimbus]

Level 8 Solaris can kill chameleons and jaguars around level 23, but Leviathan Level 8 can't kill Zeus and Shield. If there is a gold anti-aircraft boost, Leviathan even only scratches car paint.

[broken fox]

damn it.
you know the difference of zeus and jaguar? chameleon and shield?

if zeus move as fast as jaguar,and +1 sgot range.,leviathan would devastate Zeus and shield,lmao

[white wind]

Please don't

I can't imagine that slow ass zeus speeding down the map

[astral flame]

Speed

But at least it’ll be balanced. Zeus is meant to be slow as shit

[tacit nimbus]

God,can I understand that if Solaris is the resistance camp and Leviathan is the federal camp, Solaris will move as slowly as Zeus, and the laser has five seconds to prepare, and it can't destroy Zeus and the shield

And Leviathan will have a speed of 75 and a second to prepare, a small nuclear bomb that can destroy everything? That must be pretty balanced, right?

[warm garden]

Then, the thing is Would you Rather Kill 1-2 unit with beam
Or Nuke that can take off 40-60% HP of zues undershield while killing Also atleast 4+ zues if added with acid

[tacit nimbus]

I'd choose Solaris to kill chameleons and jaguars at once, not Leviathan's fake nuclear bomb.

Garbage leviathan

[warm garden]

Then thats Your Issue, with leviathan 1 nuke many Zues Dead, And Your just gonna get picked off by Jaguars underfog, also goodluck forcefiring

[tacit nimbus]

If Solaris or Thor destroyed the chameleon, even if Zeus and Shield lost 50% of their lives, they could still beat a pack of jaguars to flight. The Federation doesn't lack that bit of health, but resistance is nothing without chameleons.

[warm garden]

Thats why you always Have a Chameleon to activate when a Chameleon died
Thats Resistance Logic 101 very Common to understand

[tacit nimbus]

Does your Zeus always stand in a circle? All Zeus will be 40% -60% less HP?

Is that why you can't beat jcp?

[white wind]

[tacit nimbus]

The hero of the Federation is a normal player who knows how to use it, but how many players can match the hero of resistance reasonably? How many videos can you find on YouTube of leviathan and wasp acid beating the Federation? And how many federal heroes kill resistors at random?

[twilit root]

The only complaint I see is this: why leviathan isn't the mirror of Solaris?

So with this, know that developers will ignore you even if you keep complaining for 24/7.

[tacit nimbus]

No, I don't need it. I've already gone to the Federation. I'd better keep it as it is now, so that I can enjoy the killing of the heroes of the Federation.

Just keep strengthening the Federation so I can have an easier time.

[twilit root]

Sure, tell your guy who lost 16 battles after each other my greetings

[tacit nimbus]

Of course, they have both resistors and federal accounts. Although they used to only play resistance.

[warm garden]

Theres 2 things always Happened
1st if you run, you get Destroyed
2nd you stand up you also get destroyed🤣🤣
Yes Avoid nuke then ur army is getting deleted Little by Little which is fun to see i get free kills For no reason, dont even talk about thor if you have thor and Then you lack the zues to compete with leviathan + Jcp then no more problem
Your only savior is Seraphim which isnt even here but if all heroes in here then its still get outclassed by Mole

[twilit root]

No confeds in top 6, only at 7th then resistance again

[white wind]

wtf happened here

[broken fox]

damn it.i dislike play with slug.
a little challenge for me may be much better

[broken fox]

that is MY account! how dare you lost fak 16 games!

if you played by your leg?

[astral flame]

And the argument goes on

[broken fox]

hero challenge is my friend,he played with seldom Confederation,most of 10 games are Resistance vs Resistance.

so when would Resistance be nerf?