tech-deals-discussion

[high radish]

Huh

[light bay]

Yup

[slow sluice]

Yup

[light bay]

12th gen doesn't even use 100 of the Mobo pins

13th gen will

Hence why a lga1700 CPU works on the lga1800 socket

[high radish]

Never heard about 1800

Yeah looks like lga1800/1700 is same socket

[light bay]

All the 12th gen boards out right now are lga1800 technically, if you count pins

[high radish]

Lol did someone actually count it

[slow sluice]

They're in a geometric pattern, counting them is easy

[high radish]

Sorry for bad jokes

Yeah I didn't even heard about lga1800

[light bay]

Yea

[high radish]

So can we keep our hopes high on 13900k ?

[light bay]

Sure

[high radish]

Like 20% better performance?

[light bay]

Better than our hopes for 11th gen launch atleast

[high radish]

At least 15%

[light bay]

In multicore, wouldn't be surprised at all

13900k will be 8p16e iirc

[high radish]

They added extra 8e core

[light bay]

So multicore will be where the insanity is

[high radish]

I mostly using single core while working

But multicore while rendering ofc

So I'll have better render performance

Probably better single core tho couse they trying to increase clock speed of P cores

[slow sluice]

Based on the data I've seen from the ES leaks, I'd guess around 20% improvement for multi and 10% for single

[light bay]

Yeah that sounds pretty fair

[slow sluice]

Can't really make that comparison yet, it's a new architecture and we don't know enough details to know what the IPC will be like

[light bay]

You see 13900k ES was being auctioned earlier?

[slow sluice]

Yup

[light bay]

Apparently it games

[high radish]

I hope they will increase ddr5 performance on 64gb kits

I stick with 32gb right now

[slow sluice]

What about the 64GB?

[high radish]

It slowing down to 4400mhz with 4x16 kit

And slowing down to 5600mhz with 2x32kit

But currently using 6000mhz 32gb which OCed to 6400mhz

[slow sluice]

What motherboard?

[cinder kiln]

2x32 isn't that much slower than 2x16 on 2 dimm boards

[high radish]

Asus Rog strix Z690-A ddr5

[slow sluice]

So definitely will be slower with 4 dimm no matter what CPU

2x32 being slower is weird though. What kit was it?

[high radish]

I didn't get 64gb but mobo support list saying it supports 5600mhz with 2x32

[slow sluice]

Oh

Lol

Ignore that

It's blethers

[high radish]

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-z690-a-gaming-wifi-model/helpdesk_qvl_memory

Memory support list

[cinder kiln]

QVL means nothing

There's only like 3 different IC's and they all work lol

[high radish]

[cinder kiln]

Oh that's probably why, it's kingston

[high radish]

Lol

[cinder kiln]

You have kingston?

They're supposed to be not binned hynix m

[high radish]

I have XPG Lancer RGB which have Hynix M die

[cinder kiln]

Oh right yeah

Wait that's the 32gb kit isn't it

[high radish]

Were planning to get another 32gb kit but yeah 4400mhz with 4x16kit is gross.lol

Want to get 2x32kit and sell my current one but 5600mhz is still downgrade lol

[slow sluice]

It will be lower than 2x16, but it probably won't be that much lower

[cinder kiln]

I've seen 2x32 hynix do 6400 c30

It's not that much slower than 2x16

[high radish]

With highend mobos yes

[cinder kiln]

Yes but that same mobo normally hits 6800-ish on 2x16

So realistically it's not gonna be much slower

[high radish]

Should I get one 64gb kit from amazon and try it if it slowing down too much I can return it

[slow sluice]

The supported speeds listed there aren't the maximum speeds that you can get, it's just whatever Asus feels like guaranteeing will work

Lowest common denominator, not maximum possible performance

[high radish]

I mean yeah my mobo isn't lowend mobo

[slow sluice]

Eh

[high radish]

it was like over 300$ when I got it

[grave delta]

I thought more frequency more better?

Hynix can OC pretty well https://i.imgur.com/apq7REN.png

[high radish]

Yes that's why I can't decide lol . 32gb 6400mhz or 64gb 5600mhz

More memory but slower memory

[grave delta]

That's not a performance question, that's a "do you need 64GB" question

[high radish]

I Maxing 32gb lol

[grave delta]

bz just put out a vid on 4 dimm oc

[grave delta]

Well, sounds like you have your answer

[slow sluice]

Even if it'll run a little bit slower it'll still be faster than swap

[high radish]

I mean 6000mhz should be good but 5600is eh lol

I will look for hynix die 64gb kit . Maybe worth to try

[slow sluice]

Still a lot faster than swap

[cinder kiln]

2x32 can get to 6000 tho

It being a 5600xmp doesn't say much especially with ddr5 rn

[high radish]

Yeah xmp sux on ddr5

[jolly inlet]

Using an $800 board iirc, T topology

[high radish]

My ram xmp is 6000mhz cl40 but OCed it to 6400 cl30

[cinder kiln]

XMP nor QVL are things you pay attention to, there are only 3 different IC's on ddr5 rn

So if it's hynix, it's gonna be good, but again going back to forks:

[cinder kiln]

.

[high radish]

32gb is alright actually but I see it's full used sometimes

[grave delta]

The above kit is 6400c40 as well, kingston fury

[high radish]

That's why want extra ram

[grave delta]

Does 7000 c32 ycruncher on the dark or 7400 geek3 on the apex

[high radish]

Wow

[grave delta]

There are some great corsair sticks for $310 now

Check out the dominator plats

[cinder kiln]

They have 64gb kit now?

[grave delta]

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/DOMINATOR-PLATINUM-RGB-DDR5-Memory---Black/p/CMT32GX5M2X6600C32

[high radish]

Oof those 64gb kit prices

[cinder kiln]

Oh the 6600's

[grave delta]

I mean, performance, capacity, price, pick two

[high radish]

Good price actually

[slow sluice]

I'm not looking forward to my next upgrade lol

[high radish]

https://tenor.com/view/pick-wisely-gif-25512895

[grave delta]

I still need to decide on a new daily

Don't want this space heater on my desk

Also the board has a dead x16 slot, but it runs a 1x capture card fine

And in order to run the 4x m.2 card, the gpu has to sit in an x4 chipset slot

[high radish]

Just get new mobo lol

Mobos are dirt cheap nowadays

[grave delta]

Not many used non-broken zeniths on ebay. This is decent, but I've seen cheaper

There was a seller with 7 broken boards for $75 each, should've bought them all and taken the chance

[high radish]

[high radish]

You can solder pcie slot from donor board lol

[grave delta]

Unlikely that's the issue. It's probably a slightly bent pin or elsewhere. Also different boards, the zenith ii alpha has a dead slot, these are sages

[high radish]

but working gpu on pcie3 x4 is sus

[slow sluice]

@grave delta https://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20220155982&IDKey=259C8EAA70A2 did you see this yet?

[grave delta]

I haven't

[slow sluice]

Looks like AMD is cooking up something interesting with EXPO

[grave delta]

$20 12 pack of sardines https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004UB6HAC

[pallid geyser]

Yoooo

[jolly inlet]

Mmm if only I liked fish. Like, at all.

[grave delta]

I think canned fish is very underrated. Sardines are pretty low in heavy metals as well.

[jolly inlet]

If they're farmed sure. Smaller fish in general are too.

[fleet marlin]

10400 currently $130, and so is 12100. https://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i3-12100-Quad-core-Processor/dp/B09NPHJLPT If there was a 12100K I wouldn't even bother w/ a 12400 probably, except when the latter is $160ish.

[azure pond]

12100k? wat

oh

[azure pond]

i wouldnt really buy either of those tbh

any one who only needs an igpu wont need the cpu power of a 10400 or 12100

[fleet marlin]

10400F is only $6 cheaper, but i didn't notice the 12100F was only $107. That's darn good. I forget who did it, but at 5ghz not far behind a stock 12700K.

[cinder kiln]

When b660m mortar max comes out we'll essentially have 12100K in a way

[fleet marlin]

Sort of, would be nice to adjust the multiplier also. That is pretty neat though. Might take a $200ish mobo, but the "combo" still indeed much cheaper than 12600K/12700K. This below pic interesting for showing the benefit of good ram, but hard to say if it's mainly the bandwidth or also just that 4800c40 is mediocre. Ah I just need to sell the darn z590 mobo, lol. (Took a slight loss on 11700F, but I finally got it sold, sn750se, and 750w G5 I didn't need. )

[normal tiger]

Evga discount good deal? Not sure which selections are the best, only looking for at most 3070 (pricey tho), 3060ti or 3060

[fleet marlin]

Mainly the psu tbh (& for a P6 I would pick 850w, or go G6 also). It's just the return policy that isn't great, & my last psu from them was simply inside of another box, no padding.

[normal tiger]

Oof I see, appreciate the tips

[fleet marlin]

Yea the 3070 for instance is maybe $20 more on Amazon (even if I count my prime 5% rewards). If I was buying a psu, would like one w/ 12+4pin connector for 40 series.

[jolly inlet]

There's no PSU currently sold that includes that 12+4 connector, the 40 series cards will have an adapter.

[grand orbit]

I believe the gigabyte UD does

[jolly inlet]

There was one ATX 3.0 unit announced this week that's expected to go on sale next month or so.

[fleet marlin]

People are gonna realize quick their normal extensions aren't gonna be right up into the gpu.

[jolly inlet]

Looks like you're right but it's basically an adapter, so 450W max (+75W slot)

It's not 3.0 spec

[grand orbit]

:/

[normal tiger]

sucks the evga with the 3060ti discount bundle only has up to 750 watts for the psu available. 850 is not allowed I think

[azure pond]

750 more than enough for a 3060 ti

[normal tiger]

that's true

[azure pond]

450 is enough for a 3060 ti lol

[normal tiger]

I want to go above and beyond 😂

[azure pond]

you wont gain anything from that beyond possibly upgradability

which is unlikely, since atx 3.0

[normal tiger]

yeah

[fleet marlin]

It'll be nice to have the single 8pin sized connector/cable (pcie 5, "12+4"). Now if only some gpu ports aren't sticking out towards the side panel.

[jolly inlet]

90 degree adapters exist

Low profile ones too if it's too close to the glass

[sweet cloud]

hi, i hope this is the correct channel to ask tech information? i was directed here by newegg customer service

[azure pond]

what are your questions

[sweet cloud]

well i purchased a mobo and cpu which will arrive friday and i stumbled across an article by mistake that says they are not compatible, even though parts picker etc show they are

[azure pond]

whats the cpu and mobo

[sweet cloud]

MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI, with 11th gen i7 11700k

[azure pond]

those are compatible, but i would cancel the orders

11th gen isnt the current generation and was most likely overpriced

[sweet cloud]

ok so the article states the cpu requires 125 watts but the mobo limits the socket to 65 watts, is that true?

[azure pond]

12400f beats the 11700k and costs $160

[azure pond]

can you cancel the orders you made?

[sweet cloud]

they have already shipped

[azure pond]

you can still cancel the order

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FhKJyK this is better and most likely cheaper

[sweet cloud]

actually it is 4 dollars cheaper, but yes newer

dang it i didnt catch that

[azure pond]

you can still cancel the orders

did you buy anything else?

or are you just replacing cpu and mobo

[sweet cloud]

no its a new build

PSU, AIO, etc

[azure pond]

whats the budget?

[fleet marlin]

The main thing is an overpriced 11700K that can't OC in the B560 mobo.

[sweet cloud]

i would have to go look what the total was but about 1200 ish plus some peripherals

[light bay]

you should be able to fit a 6700xt in there, or maybe 3060ti

[jolly inlet]

Not at all, and you can adjust power limits easily

[azure pond]

that gets you this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dddMwc

[sweet cloud]

i was reusing my new corsair vengeance memory and my workhorse Nvidia GeForce 1070, then jsut started adding more and more lol

i got carried away !!

[light bay]

so what parts do you already have?

and how do you "reuse" new memory?

[high radish]

dirt cheap b660m but its backorder now https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144544?Item=N82E16813144544

[light bay]

that one looks kinda bad ngl

[azure pond]

works for a 12100, but thats about it

[light bay]

for $90 its whatever tho

IO on that board is beyond horrible

MSI: "whats a heatsink?"

[high radish]

still better than asrock imo lmao

[light bay]

maybe

thats like saying a psu is better than the OG pgm

[high radish]

nvm I see its very similar lol

[jolly inlet]

It probably doesn't limit the power as bad as some asrock models that actually have heatsinks

[high radish]

msi not throttling as asrock at least lol

[light bay]

thats a completely diff model

thats like comparing msi's good b660 to asrocks dirt cheap stuff

[high radish]

wth is Soyo anyways

never heard it before

I guess its aliexpress thing

[high radish]

Yeah didn't noticed it msi have confusing namings

[jolly inlet]

I'd avoid the soyo because they're an unproven brand still. Since they're so new to the market we don't know if they'll still support and RMA boards in 2 years.

[light bay]

b660m-g or b660m-p would be the ones to see the comparison

[grand orbit]

Soyo are also a china only brand afaik

[light bay]

you can buy them off aliexpress and stuff if thats what you wanted lol

[grand orbit]

Yeah but after spending 35$ on shipping and another 15 on import what's the point

[light bay]

exactly

[high radish]

just get asus board lol

[lofty moss]

this doesnt make asrock boards bad...

it makes those particular asrock boards bad for that particular chip, sure

[fleet marlin]

Soyo actually is really old, but perhaps the current stuff is people who copied the name or tried to bring it back. Indeed I would avoid probably.

[jolly inlet]

Right, the modern stuff is unproven. And we all know how China encourages knockoff brands.

[fleet marlin]

A couple x299/x99 aficionados know about that, lol. Also people see how the mso m390 is E15T, well the down-talked sn750se is E19T (afaik, better, but I sold it

[quasi pasture]

[steel wren]

x99 ❤️

[tiny heron]

[quasi pasture]

(same board)

[keen marsh]

379$ 2080 super seems pog

[slow sluice]

@keen marsh https://www.evga.com/products/ProductList.aspx?type=8&family=GeForce+20+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+2080+Super

[keen marsh]

How'd you do that. Wouldn't select it for me on mobile

Or is that just with a filter?

[slow sluice]

It's a filter

[keen marsh]

Sweet

[brisk sphinx]

Pretty sure the HDV throttles on a 12400f so…

[light bay]

correct

[stoic crest]

hm

i can't find that free nitro anywhere

tried logging into desktop site too

[azure pond]

5000d airflow white worth posting at $136?

[light bay]

Imo nah, I'd rather a p500a tbh

[azure pond]

nvm

thinking of p400a vs 4000d

[lofty moss]

so what

[brittle lagoon]

its just most low end asrock intel boards kinda suck

not worth looking at asrock for intel most of the time

[lofty moss]

i know they suck

[fleet marlin]

Possibly only for those who've never done a trial or code of some sort before. -- Well, quite a few people see pleased w/ the $105 6TB WD_Black post, and that's before a possible $20 of Honey cashback. I haven't had a chance to test it yet. --- EDIT Also of course I've had Nitro this whole time after my 1st free trial month so that's definitely why I didn't see it on my own account.

[stoic crest]

ah

[fair moon]

I've used trials before and was still able to get the free month

[stoic crest]

imma have to try on laptop then

i got desktop client of discord

[fair moon]

I couldn't find it on iOS app, but found it pretty easily on desktop client

[light holly]

@keen marsh I think your EVGA deal is over. It shows 679.99 for me.

[keen marsh]

Nah it looks like the well priced 2000 cards all got bought up.

[light holly]

ah ok, darn

[mint wedge]

NOOOO the sn850 are out of stock it seems

[azure pond]

Looks like it's location based

[mint wedge]

ahhh thats actually so sad

[azure pond]

Yeah, unfortunate

[high radish]

Looking for hynix M die 64gb ddr5 ram

6000mhz preferred

And than sn850 is oos about for week

[grand orbit]

Why do you need 64gb

[high radish]

I see maxing 32gb sometimes lol

[slow sluice]

How much would you prefer 2x32 over 4x16

[azure pond]

4x16 ddr5 is awful

0/10 wouldn't recommend

[slow sluice]

Agreed, I'm having problems finding a 32GB dimm that's been confirmed to use M die though

[high radish]

4x16 is too slow on ddr5

[slow sluice]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09Z1Z9H2Z
Looks like this one is M die, but I haven't found any confirmation yet

[high radish]

I have xpg lancer RGB 2x16gb 6000mhz which is M die

[high radish]

I heard it's Samsung

[slow sluice]

Source?

Gskill's high end DDR5 is a mix of B and M, I haven't been able to find any info on which that SKU is though

[high radish]

gskill using samsung b die on Z5 series I heard

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gskill-trident-z5-ddr5-samsung-ics

[slow sluice]

They use a mix

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gskill-trident-z5-rgb-ddr5-6400-c32-review

[fleet marlin]

6400c32, now we're talking. Even better when the "good" ddr5 is more like 7200c32 or 6400c28.

[high radish]

my 6000mhz cl40 rams can oc to 6400mhz cl30

xmp sux

[jolly inlet]

Still waiting for 8000 c40 to be mainstream

[high radish]

8000mhz ram wen

[jolly inlet]

Considering 7200 is the highest jedec spec it shouldn't take too long, maybe 2 years tops

[high radish]

[fleet marlin]

I'd be happy w/ 7200 but 8000 is a nice round number, haha. Plus, eventually decent 6400c32 sort of stuff will be under $150 for 32GB.

[jolly inlet]

We'll see how Zen 4 and 13th gen do with memory speeds. It's been a real problem with 12th gen, especially with 4 sticks.

[high radish]

2x32kits are very expensive

[slow sluice]

Well, yeah

I did find the same kit for cheaper from wegg
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-64gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374384

As far as I can tell if you want 2x32 at >=6000MHz that kit or the corresponding ripjaws are your only option

[high radish]

backorder

[slow sluice]

Asking for a product that barely exists and then so picky about how expensive and hard it is to find lmao

ETA is less than a week from now

[high radish]

[azure pond]

I'm wondering how 12th gen will handle it, if the imc is good enough consistently

@grand orbit smexy gpu price

[jolly inlet]

It's the motherboards that have trouble tbh

[azure pond]

Ah is it

I knew the ax had an issue, but I think it got fixed?

[jolly inlet]

If you have an expensive board with T-topology then you can push 8000 with 2 sticks, or 6400 with 4

[high radish]

[jolly inlet]

But most cheaper boards use daisy chain topology

[azure pond]

Ah

Interesting

[jolly inlet]

You got $800 to throw at a Z690?

[high radish]

if its white maybe lol

if its not then no

[grand orbit]

690 for 6800xt

[high radish]

isnt 6900xt for 750$ or something recently ?

[grand orbit]

It was 720 refurbished after rebate i think

[light bay]

wasnt a refurb

it was new after rebate

i just posted a good 6900xt for a bit more in #tech-deals tho

[jolly inlet]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cKGbt6/asus-rog-maximus-z690-formula-atx-lga1700-motherboard-rog-maximus-z690-formula

[grand orbit]

Yeah both are good

[high radish]

IT ALSO COMES WITH M2 CARD

[jolly inlet]

Yeah

That's $100 value or something right there

[light holly]

What does xh mean in the last deal in tech deals?

[jolly inlet]

XTXH means it's basically a higher power model, better binned

[high radish]

yeah its 80$ or something

newegg giving some case with it tho let me see what is it

[jolly inlet]

Solid front garbage

And max 240mm aio

[high radish]

it 50$ at product page lmao

[jolly inlet]

Yeah it's marked up to mark it down again lol

[high radish]

another newegg trick lol

[jolly inlet]

I've yet to see a retailer that doesn't do that tbh

[azure pond]

It's a marketing tactic almost all retailers use

If not all

[jolly inlet]

Especially jewelry and cars

[azure pond]

Mhm

I see it a lot with monitors

[high radish]

Damn Im willing to buy 800#$ mobo for nothing now lmao

[azure pond]

hows 640 for a 6800?

[jolly inlet]

Not too bad

[azure pond]

worth posting?

[jolly inlet]

Eh, still above msrp

[light bay]

6700xt is like $470 and not super far off tbh

[azure pond]

fair point

[cobalt hollow]

？？？？ ？ ？

😋

[cinder kiln]

[brisk sphinx]

Might as well resell it

[jolly inlet]

Shipping will cost more than it sells for

[cobalt hollow]

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[tacit apex]

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Graphics-WINDFORCE-GV-N308TVISION-OC-12GD/dp/B083HZF4GV?ref=dlx_deals_gd_dcl_img_35_e6a0fb69_dt_sl15_6b

is this a deal?

[stoic crest]

nope

[tacit apex]

owh ok

cuz i saw 31%

[light bay]

3080ti in general is just bad value

I wouldn't personally pay over $850 for one

[stoic crest]

^

[cinder kiln]

Retailers have been doing this a lot by posting the higher price then making it look like a sale, when in reality it isn't, they're at a normal price

Not to mention the 3080 12gb is only marginally slower and 769/799USD rn

[slow sluice]

Only if you really really want a white GPU

[grand orbit]

@dim ingot if you wanna talk about tech deals do it here

[dim ingot]

got it. good looking out.

[high radish]

Ghost ping

[dim ingot]

the white asus strix is so beautiful

I also think the one by Both ASUS and Noctua is really different.

[high radish]

https://tenor.com/view/cocaine-strix-gang-strix-3090-rtx-white-gif-22429477

[oak sentinel]

its ok

theres far nicer looking cards too

[dim ingot]

nice. I have a black chassis, white fans,clear glass on one side.

[oak sentinel]

@strong axle Thats not a tech deal tbh also reeee link is massive

[strong axle]

for a vision?

@oak sentinel

[oak sentinel]

for any 3080ti really

[strong axle]

Ic

[high radish]

Can't find any deal on cpus

[cobalt hollow]

hello

[mint wedge]

Ayo anyone wanna split the tank with me?

[grand orbit]

Hell ye

https://tenor.com/view/tank-interview-yes-yay-gif-14479615

[jolly inlet]

"Activated main gun" lol what. You can't even have a pistol in the UK, how is that legal?

[slow sluice]

I can imagine trying buying ammunition might lead to some very pointed questions

[grand orbit]

You can technically own some guns with a license afaik but very hard to get

[jolly inlet]

Only law enforcement and military can own guns there, but yeah there's some exceptions for sport rifles and shotguns.

[pulsar fable]

Can't argue with that logic

[brittle lagoon]

Ask to buy some apds shells with it :p

[jolly inlet]

I'd say this is arguably the best thing they offer

[brittle lagoon]

Lmao that's great

[brisk sphinx]

@grave delta Thanks for the deal, it’s coming in the mail on July 32nd

[cloud hornet]

Which overflows to Aug 1st

Cool programming stuff

Prolly not the correct terminology tho lol

[strong axle]

@grave delta #tech-deals message -rep no stabilizer

wtf men

u tryna scam

[strong axle]

yea, got my dm33 who needs destructive ordinance license? Gonna hit up downtown london’

[molten halo]

We buying a tank or what?

[slow sluice]

That's a big bullet

[light bay]

What do you think of the 5600x3d/5900x3d rumors so far?

[slow sluice]

I'm excited, probably going to end up with an even higher cache to core ratio

[light bay]

Yeah

200MB was the leaks right?

[slow sluice]

We'll have to see what it means for performance, but I wouldn't be surprised if either takes the gaming crown

[light bay]

Yeah

[slow sluice]

Yes, that would probably be combined L3+L2 on the 5900x3d

[light bay]

I like the ideas of these sku's wayyyy better than a "XT" refresh lol

I still am scared for how AMD is going to "keep am4 alive" for 2 years or whatever

Just wondering what type of trash they'll be releasing to do that

[slow sluice]

Rumors of zen4 chiplets on am4

Or maybe just zen3+ nonsense

[light bay]

Yeah

But I swear if we get xt variants with +100mhz...

Which amd should want to do so they can release their 7600x, 6 cores for $900, then call it good value compared to zen 3 XT refresh

[fleet marlin]

5600XD3 for around normal 5800X price would sell pretty well for gamers.

[light bay]

Maybe

Amd and "normal price" don't really go in the same sentence though

[fleet marlin]

True, probably be $350+ also. I just have my eyes out for 13th gen. W/ mainly just more Ecores wonder if it'll be like 9th to 10th or like 10th to 11th.

[light bay]

They'll mark those things up higher than you'd believe

I mean, look at 5800x3d. Currently it's a "deal" to get it even at msrp

[slow sluice]

13th gen cache config is looking kinda weird

[light bay]

I'd expect like $350 for the 5600x3d tbh

Maybe $300 if we get lucky

[light bay]

Very

Intel kinda did dumb making lga1700/1800 imo, I bet it's gonna lead to a lot of confusion when RPL comes out

[slow sluice]

1151 time

[light bay]

Yes, Intel was just reminding us lol

I really would like to know who thought that was a good idea

I wonder if it was the same person who did the 1700/1800 shenanigans?

[slow sluice]

pr sent a memo to r&d asking them to use the same socket instead of switching to a new one for rpl, r&d says "um, okay" and does it

[light bay]

Reasoning
-itll save us some money, just like how Asus saves money by using DOCP instead of xmp

[slow sluice]

"sorry, you wanted compatibility too? You should have put that in the requirements"

[light bay]

Lmfao

Same guy who probably was like "z470, HAH, that's a dumb idea. Let's just randomly change z470 to z390, it's close enough!"

[slow sluice]

Intel: "my CEO will be a BS in chemistry"
AMD: "my CEO will be a PhD in electrical engineering from MIT"

Intel a little bit later: "why is our CEO giving us so many issues? Let's just hire the guy that made the 486, he should know what's going on"

[light bay]

lmaooo

we need to make some memes with all this stuff

[jolly inlet]

Not gonna happen, AMD basically said this was a one-off but there's possibly a refresh of 7000 with 3D cache

[brittle lagoon]

grab the right shell for the fv4201 smh

[pine python]

Good day everyone. I'm looking to upgrade my mobo and cpu.. saying that, I don't actually know if it's time. Anyways. I play city skylines quite a bit, it runs ok obviously could be better seeing those streamers playing it.
I have an i7 8700 right now with 32 gigs of ram on a pretty basic asrock motherboard.
Are there any motherboard and processor bundles anyone could help recommend. I'd like to keep it on the cheaper side.
I have a kind of white theme build going on with a white corsair case. Cheers everyone.

[azure pond]

Asus prime b660 and 12400f, if that fits your budget

[pine python]

Great thank you very much, I'll have a look

[azure pond]

If not, there's an asus prime h610 I believe and 12100f

Otherwise you'll be looking at used stuff

[light bay]

Just depends on your budget tbh

[azure pond]

Mhm

Cheap is like $200 to me, while it could be $500 to you

Also what gpu do you have?

[pine python]

I think like 400-600 is roughly where I'm looking in price.
I have an rx 6500xt 🥴

[azure pond]

You'd be better off getting a 3060 ti or 3070 than a new cpu

8700 is a capable cpu, perfectly fine with either of those gpus

[grave delta]

Yeah, go am5 this fall

[azure pond]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-ko-rtx3060ti-o8g-v2-gaming/p/N82E16814126526

$470 3060 ti

[light bay]

Skylines is super CPU based iirc

[azure pond]

Yeah but streaming is the issue

From what I can tell, I think

Unless I misunderstood something

[light bay]

I don't think they stream

I think they watch streams where the gameplay is smoother

That's what I took from it atleast

[azure pond]

Oh wait they said they see streamers playing it

Not that they're trying to

Mb

[pine python]

Negative on the streaming yet hahaha I don't think I could build anything worth watching hahahaha. Sorry if I made it unclear :)

[azure pond]

Nah, I just misread

Doing a few things at once

[pine python]

Oh all good!!

[azure pond]

I'd still say new gpu instead of cpu upgrade

[pine python]

Great! I'll start there for sure!!! Thank you very much for your help! I didn't wanna jump in and get something I really didn't need right away

[azure pond]

What psu do you have, if you know?

[pine python]

Rm650x

[azure pond]

Ah nice

Perfectly fine with the 3060 ti then

[pine python]

Lucky I was standing right next to the box lmao

[azure pond]

Wanted to make sure it wasn't a bomb

I ran a 6800xt on the exact same psu without issue

Though lower power usage cpu

[pine python]

I was coming from a dell inspiron and just got what memory express recommended at the time lol

[azure pond]

Prolly overpaid for it I'm guessing, but better than the guy here the other day who had an $80 literal bomb

[pine python]

Oh I bet I did lol. Oh Jeez I'm hoping for not having a bomb lol.

[azure pond]

Oh you very much don't, it's a great unit

[light bay]

Rmx is basically top-notch

[pine python]

Excellent. Before this last year I had not put together a case since the early 2000s

[fleet marlin]

I dislike Corsair but the rm(x) psus are great, most of em.

[azure pond]

Cxf, hx, axi all good units

Hx and axi super overpriced nearly all the time ofc

And cx 2016

[pine python]

Thanks so much!!! Can't wait to order one now

[azure pond]

Happy to help :D

[light bay]

Oh @azure pond

Figured you'd wanna see this

The abomination happens again

[azure pond]

Oh sick

More Bombs

[light bay]

They give out the udgm, but "after the pgm is all given out"

[azure pond]

Lmao

[light bay]

So it's actually bomb pgms probably

[high radish]

so you can join to al qaeda

[jolly inlet]

Ehhhh depends on what you play https://youtu.be/DNk5h8Qp8zw

[azure pond]

That's a 3080 ti

I said 3060 ti or 3070

[jolly inlet]

He also compares with a 3060

And the general conclusion was what we already know, 4 core CPUs are dying out for gaming and can't handle modern titles

[azure pond]

Wait, 8700 is 4 core?

What?

I thought 7700 was the last 4 core desktop i7?

[jolly inlet]

It's 6 cores but I guess I missed my own point

8:36 he starts benching the 8700k

[azure pond]

With family atm, can't watch

[cinder kiln]

Wouldn't you use these gpu's at 1440p anyway?

[azure pond]

But doesn't the 8700 game the same as the 3600?

[cinder kiln]

So the bottleneck would shrink a lot

[jolly inlet]

The 3060? No

[cinder kiln]

Not 3060, the ti

[azure pond]

I use mine at 1080p

[cinder kiln]

Everyone tellin me in here to suggest it for 1440p

[jolly inlet]

It's the starting point for 1440p, if you want high detail or high fps it's still best at 1080p

[cinder kiln]

Well then it has some weight in this scenario

[azure pond]

Ye, when I dont care about fps I run it on my 1440p side monitor but that isn't often

I prefer the higher fps

[cinder kiln]

The big standout one was far cry 6

But isn't that game like always cpu sensitive? Lol

[jolly inlet]

Yes that's a DX12 title iirc so it loves having more cores

[cinder kiln]

Overall there is scaling there tho but compared to upgrading gpu I would still call an 8700 relevant to keep

[jolly inlet]

Point being 8700 won't be a massive bottleneck for a 3060 but it will still bottleneck in many games

Maybe 10-15% in most

[cinder kiln]

It's not like the 4770K tho, that thing is definitely showing some age

[jolly inlet]

Oh big time

[azure pond]

7700k is too

[azure pond]

The two less cores kills it in a good few scenarios, unlike the 12100 where the single core makes up for it

[cinder kiln]

7700K at 4K is still good tho lol

[azure pond]

Emphasis at 4k

[cinder kiln]

Yes

So it's scenario dependent

[jolly inlet]

That's gotta Hertz

Worst case scenario ofc

[fleet marlin]

More like pre-10gen are dying out. 12100 is pretty slick for a 4core.

[high radish]

[pulsar fable]

This is making me seriously consider replacing my 2700x

[jolly inlet]

I went from a 2700 to a 5800X and the difference was enormous. I was bottlenecking my 2070 in some games before; now, I need a faster GPU lol

[light bay]

The difference in temps were probably more enormous 😛

[jolly inlet]

I already had a liquid cooler, but my cheap 240mm definitely peaks at 90C all core load. Luckily gaming doesn't push it that high.

[fleet marlin]

btw, the 5600(X) is also around 1/2 that price.

[pulsar fable]

you're not helping me here

I'm aware it's $140 at micro center

But I just spent money on new drives, money on old games, and money on a psu

The last thing I need is another $140 tacked on to that

...but that 5600x is really freaking tempting

[fleet marlin]

I hear ya. $30ish coupon made me get the P31 & $60ish off at gamestop made me get a 6TB hdd.

[jolly inlet]

There's supposedly going to be more CPUs coming to AM4 on the Zen4 architecture, so if you can hold out a bit you can probably grab a 7600X or whatever

[light holly]

So far for gaming with my 12600k, the LFII 360 fan speed never needs to go above 40% That's what I run it at idle and raising the fan speed during gaming doesn't do anything.

I even set my case fans to raise speed when I started gaming because of gpu, but that was only a 1c difference in both cpu/gpu temps at 70% vs the 40% so atm my case fans are static

This is with the 5000D so, I'm just gonna be a shill.

[green kite]

What happened to Tech Deal channel 🙄

My bad, it's bug i think 😅😅

[stoic crest]

it didn't go away

[loud sandal]

nah have to go 8k now

[loud sandal]

https://i.imgur.com/xXX4vJS.png I love my 4c

[dull flame]

Any deals on a 4th gen nvme 2tb SSD?

[jolly inlet]

Define "deal", prices have been dropping for a bit

[dull flame]

Maybe 180?

It's kinda dumb though. I bought the 980 Pro 1tb for 160

Nvm. Going to wait for prime day.

[cloud hornet]

@BobLaserShark Dont you mean when you upgrade to RT 4030?

[jolly inlet]

Best I can find right now, A tier 4.0 https://www.newegg.com/xpg-2tb-gammix-s50-lite/p/0D9-00DF-000D4?quicklink=true

More like a 3.5 but meh

[dull flame]

Thank you, friend.

[dull flame]

https://www.zoro.com/8020-inc-rt-ang-univ-living-hinge-wstr-arms-25s-25-4030/i/G0824140/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=surfaces&utm_campaign=shopping feed&utm_content=free google shopping clicks

This?

[cloud hornet]

Yes, RT 4030 hinge gonna need a 1.6kw PSU

[dull flame]

Man, is it a trap being made?

Pretty sure that will kill someone with that much power.

[jolly inlet]

That would make a helluva mousetrap, put a tesla motor on the hinge to snap it shut

[cloud hornet]

More like 3.2 tbf. 3.5GBps was generally the max gen3 drive, that only be 3.9GBps cap

[slow sluice]

Ofc, my bad

[high radish]

idk about s50 but s70 is great ssd

[cloud hornet]

S50 Lite is "just okay" IMO. Nothing amazing

[jolly inlet]

Yeah it's comparable to the P31, nothing amazing lol

Same tier at least

[fleet marlin]

You missed an S70 Blade for that price on hws recently.

[light holly]

@loud sandal Here is the link to the actual item

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-easystore-14tb-external-usb-3-0-hard-drive-black/6425303.p

$218

[loud sandal]

👍

[dim bay]

https://www.newegg.com/asus-rog-thor-1200p-1200w/p/N82E16817320003?Description=1200w psu&cm_re=1200w_psu-_-17-320-003-_-Product
Anyone know if this PSU is a good model/make? The LCD is the main thing that caught my interest because I'm trying to find an easier way to see how many watts my PC is using.
If so, any place or store that usually has good deals on it?

[jolly inlet]

It's a low A tier PSU, with known shutdown issues using high end GPUs like the 3080/6800 XT and higher. It's also loud.

[fleet marlin]

$36 kill a watt device plugged into the wall outlet, there ya go

[dim bay]

oh ok. Any good recommendations for future-proofing?
or should I just wait until new ones come out after the next gen of gpus come out

[jolly inlet]

That, or this https://youtu.be/RTdniu3gn3Y

[dim bay]

oo that looks useful

[jolly inlet]

It hardly makes sense to buy a new high power PSU right now with ATX 3.0 coming later this month and next month

[light bay]

i think with high powered pc, its better to not see the amount of power youre using lol

its kinda like watching the gas bill at the gas station, if you cant see it, you arent paying it

[dim bay]

Yeah I was thinking about waiting until new ones come out because I would probably end up having compatibility issues lol

[marsh sphinx]

If i can’t see you then you don’t exist 🙈

[light bay]

lmao exactly

[dim bay]

yeah right? lmao

[light bay]

thats my opinion on it atleast

[jolly inlet]

ATX 3.0 is supposed to solve the OCP trip issues we've seen on high power GPUs as well so you shouldn't have to worry as much in theory

[dim bay]

Oh that's good. Those power spikes can be pretty concerning sometimes

I've already had a few I think

[jolly inlet]

Yep, that was a main driving force behind the new standard. That and having triple 8 pin connectors gets very cumbersome.

[dim bay]

true

I guess I'll wait for new releases then. Ty for the advice guys

[light bay]

the adapter still gonna look ugly af

[jolly inlet]

Yeah I've managed to trip my RM850X a few times as well

[light bay]

kinda like the 12 pin

[dim bay]

oh yeah

[fleet marlin]

adapter(s) still ugly. although yes I do like the 12pin port itself

[jolly inlet]

Basically the 12 pin with 4 little pins yep

[dim bay]

that's the same psu I have. I had random shutdowns because of what potentially might be the power spikes

[light bay]

probably is

rmx is a great unit, most likely just spikes

[dim bay]

Yeah... nothing you can really do about it yet

[jolly inlet]

It's a top tier PSU no doubt, but apparently the power of the 3080 is just too mighty

[fleet marlin]

30 series generally spike to around 2x their average wattage afaik.

[jolly inlet]

More if you look at <1ms spikes

[dim bay]

lol

[jolly inlet]

https://youtu.be/wnRyyCsuHFQ

[dim bay]

I actually saw that video a couple days ago lol. At first I thought I had a bad lemon of a gpu but it's a normal thing which suprises me

[jolly inlet]

It's super weird too, some GPUs will spike harder than others of the same tier model

[dim bay]

like different models spike higher?

[jolly inlet]

Yeah like a 3080 vision might spike less than a 3080 FTW3 (just an example I don't know if that's true for those models)

[dim bay]

oh ok

good to know actually but hopefully in the future we won't have gpus that power spike as often as the current ones do lol

well i guess it depends on the psu but idk

[stoic crest]

that spike

big yikes

[jolly inlet]

Well that's what ATX 3.0 is supposed to help with, since Nvidia and AMD refuse to cut back on power

[stoic crest]

^

its spec is designed to handle even more spikes

[dim bay]

lol yeah
overclocked 3090 ti hitting 600w is already concerning
600w used to be sufficient for a midrange gaming pc

[stoic crest]

and unless you cheap out too much on a psu

i doubt a problem will be bad

[jolly inlet]

Yeah something like triple power spike on 12VHPWR connector and double overall it's supposed to do to meet spec

[stoic crest]

a good psu handles transients pretty nicely before shutting off

but im worried about the sff psus

they'd be harder to make

[dim bay]

and probably more expensive

[jolly inlet]

Time to try out some new solid state capacitor designs that have been floating around

[stoic crest]

ye

[azure pond]

Not posting this, because meh, but p41 is down to $128 again

[cloud hornet]

Well FE is 320w default PL, Vision is 370w PL, and FTW3 is 380w default PL

Then there is PCB design to worry about

[minor sinew]

anyone know a pc on sale budget is 1000-1500

[azure pond]

Do you want a pre built or can you build it yourself

[minor sinew]

prebuilt

[azure pond]

Ok one second

Higher edge of the budget https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali615/p/N82E16883360280?Item=N82E16883360280&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-280-_-07042022

Not much worth it cheaper except for open box options

[minor sinew]

thanks

[stoic crest]

the legion 5 pro deal is a tad bit cheaper

1379

just checked rn

and yep, the deal is still on lmao

been a few days

[fleet marlin]

Deals w/ evga associate codes ok? Well for now I'll just say r/buildapcsales has a $81 650w G6, 750w GT, and a 1000w G6 for $126. P31 is still $169/2TB, $93/1TB

[jolly inlet]

The ruling in the past has been if the associate code is embedded in the link there's no issue but posting the associate code separately can be seen as self-promotion since you may get rewarded for people using it.

EVGA associate codes are super easy to find too

[light bay]

I'm going to put my Fortnite creator code in #tech-deals no cap

[azure pond]

im going to put your fortnite creator code in my item shop no cap

[light bay]

Frfr I'll give you a shoutout

[fleet marlin]

Indeed, yea it's clearly not my code. Just gonna leave that msg was it were. Tbh at this point I'll suggest most people do what I do and try to wait just for ATX 3 psus (if they're thinking of 40 series). Sure adapters will be ez, but the new 12pin is a moderate perk imo.

[jolly inlet]

100% wait for new ATX 3.0 if you're looking at high end

[light holly]

gonna have to wait for testing on those psu as well to find which ones are a tier yeah?

[light bay]

yeah

[light holly]

bleh

[fleet marlin]

Best case is a few are out a bit before 40 series is, so at least we can see how they do w/ the 500w+ transient loads. Heck, my aim is maybe the 4070 is that's probably not til after xmas at least going by the semi-legit rumors.

[jolly inlet]

Yep we'll have to validate all the new spec requirements like transient response, so even using old testing methods won't work

Luckily there should be a few out ahead of the 40/7000 launches

[light holly]

I see. I'll still nab the 4090 when it drops and then grab a psu at a later date when they are nice and tested

[light holly]

hopefully A tier ones then

[jolly inlet]

MSI MEG 1000W looks promising

That'll be the first on shelves

[cinder kiln]

yeah given the A-GF platform it's got a good chance

[stoic crest]

that one with power excursion, right?

the new 1000w msi psu

[cinder kiln]

ye

[jolly inlet]

Transient response? Yeah

[stoic crest]

nice

[jolly inlet]

First fully 3.0 validated PSU (*to be verified)

[jolly inlet]

Looks like that SSD writes at about 30MB/s once the cache fills up after about 30 seconds of writing

Literally worse than my 10 year old hard drive

Granted that's after you've filled the drive halfway, which is not a new problem, but it does make only half of it usable imo

[turbid locust]

Yeah it's still funny to see the prices on these things

[high radish]

12400f deal is great

[stoic crest]

yikes

that bad?

tfw ssd sucks

[fair moon]

That drive might be okay for games if you had your OS on a different drive

But even then, we've been watching ssd prices drop, $60/tb for a crappy sata drive isn't that great

[slow sluice]

Mp33 sales have gotten close to that price point

[stoic crest]

tfw wd green ssd better than that leven thing

[pulsar fable]

That game bundle is with a lot of GPUs. Are any of them good tho?

[high radish]

I don't know which games is in it lol

[mint wedge]

sniper elite 5 is pretty enjoyable

[jolly inlet]

Saints Row is looking pretty fun, if it's anything like the others it's basically GTA

Forspoken was the one that had Direct Storage iirc

[high radish]

12400f price is pretty decent . You can catch good b660 mobo for 100$ sometimes so 250$ for upgrade is decent

[fleet marlin]

Amazon pricematch? At least I could snag 12400F now then wait a week and look at primeday mobos. I figure perhaps "they" trying to sell some extra 12gens before 13gen comes out although I forget how far away it is.

[high radish]

Probably yes . There was asus prime b660 atx mobo for 90$ recently lol

[tiny heron]

Great deal but dang I really paid $400 for my 5800x earlier this year. 😬

[high radish]

I paid 2.4k for white strix 3090 last year

[tiny heron]

Right lol

[slow sluice]

This is why I don't usually recommend Asus lol

[high radish]

But it's only white Option

[slow sluice]

No it isn't

The vision has a 3090 model

Looks like Galax has one too

Vinal kits for white FE cards

[high radish]

Gigatrash

[slow sluice]

Maybe, but no way you're going to say that the Galax cards are all trash

[high radish]

They were more expensive than white strix back then lol

[slow sluice]

"only option" lol

At least you actually get something for the high price with Galax

[jolly inlet]

Hydro dip the shroud

[high radish]

Vision is really joke lol . it easily throttling

I got vision for a week before I bought white strix

Vram temps were getting up to 115C in a minute lol

Only 2x8pin tho

[jolly inlet]

Wasn't that 3090 vision the one that they "forgot" thermal pads

[high radish]

Yup

Zotac did that too lol

[grand orbit]

Not even especially when you can get this for 20$ more which will absolutely destroy the one in tech deals and won't be slower than a hard drive after being filled up lol
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C3xbt6/team-mp33-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-tm8fp6002t0c101

[grand orbit]

Just get 3090 HOF ez pz

Even white pcb

[cinder kiln]

HOF gorgeous

[prisma cosmos]

This is a 3080 Ti but still a white GPU https://www.afox-corp.com/show-42-452-1.html

With bling on it lol

[jolly inlet]

HoF is amazing but it's basically a unicorn. You can't find it in the US, and it's hard to find in the rest of the world.

[high radish]

I'm happy with my white strix

it have good temps and good looking

[shut spoke]

There’s going to be a future deal on Newegg for the 11700. Will it be cheaper than the $220 11700k at micro center? Newegg prices for the 11700k are still way over $200 but I might get the non-k if it’s cheaper

[jolly inlet]

No one here works for Newegg so we don't know anything about future sales

[fleet marlin]

Mobo is $130 AR btw . Although, before rebate is $180. My mpg z590 gaming plus was actually $162+tax for me. I was dumb enough to do r/hws for a used $230 11700F, but live and learn. Currently have my eye on 12400(F), or seeing if 12600K hits $230 again (newegg 4 months ago).

[high radish]

I bought 12600k for 230$ luckily 12400 is on sale for 150$ currently

[azure pond]

Unless you already have a mobo to run it, don't buy one

12400f is cheaper and better

[steel wren]

[shut spoke]

Unfortunately I have a ROG z590-A board so I’m trying to find an 11th gen that’s cheap so I can upgrade to 12th gen in like 2 years

[light bay]

z590 doesnt support anything past 11th gen btw

[shut spoke]

Yep😔. Unfortunately the higher end z690 boards are still too expensive for me so I’m running off a 590 for now

[turbid locust]

You don't need high end on z690

The Pro z690 A is fully capable of running a 12900k

[fair moon]

@grave delta of the different ssds available is one a better pick?

[lofty moss]

lmao

someone really couldnt resist $2.75 per 128gb ssd, huh?

omg there he is

crazy

[grave delta]

yes

[turbid locust]

There's forks alt

[fair moon]

anyone have opinion?

[azure pond]

What cpu do you currently have?

Also b660 mag bazooka is $130 and can run a 12900

If you have anything above a 10100, upgrade to 11700k isn't worth it

11700k is a 10700k with a slightly better imc

[shut spoke]

Well I have a 1600af with a b450-f which was from 2 years ago but I’ve had the z590 for a month or so now while waiting for cpu prices to drop

[azure pond]

Ahh

I'd look at used for a cpu for that board

Also I'd look for a 10700, 10850k, or 10900

And if you don't plan to oc, 10700/f over 10700k/kf unless it's cheaper

Same for 10900

And I could be wrong but I think 10850k is the only 10850 that exists

[shut spoke]

Dang I just looked up benchmarks for a 10700 vs 11700 and it’s really close

I’ll just look for a 10900k then. Thx

[turbid locust]

I mean you could just sell the z590 board, get 5800x3d for your B450-f and beat anything you can get in that price range

[shut spoke]

What distinguishes the 3D from the normal version?

[fair moon]

https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/3d-v-cache

idk exactly what it is but afaik it makes it really good for gaming

vertically stacked cashe to fit more

[shut spoke]

Ig the extra memory really does help a lot but the $450 price point is a bit too expensive for me

Like if I get the 11700k at micro center, the total cost is $350 including the mb which is really nice.

Going with a 5800x could save $50 but I need to see if I can sell the z590

I also have a 3070 FE waiting for pickup at Best Buy so im pretty broke rn

[azure pond]

If the mobo is good enough

[azure pond]

Eh, it depends on what your mobo is

[turbid locust]

https://media.ldlc.com/r1600/ld/products/00/04/96/65/LD0004966548_2.jpg

[azure pond]

If its low end the vrms won't be good enough. Might be better to look at a 5600 or 5700x than a 5800x3d

[turbid locust]

I daresay this board is plenty

[azure pond]

Didn't realize they said a model, and also looks decide nothing

[shut spoke]

It’s was pretty cheap but I heard it’s vrms arent that great

[azure pond]

That mobo is good enough for a b450, but I'm not sure it'll handle a 5800x3d

One second

[turbid locust]

Dude...

[azure pond]

@brittle lagoon you know about the vrms on that board?

[turbid locust]

I can tell you they're plenty capable

[azure pond]

Sorry, but I dont really know how knowledgeable you are, seeing as I don't know you, so I tend to trust people who I know know about these things

[shut spoke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/m6k35f/using_ryzen_7_5800x_with_asus_b450f_motherboard/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Seems like I need a bios update and maybe a better board as I’m going to be running a 3070 with a Coolermaster ml240 with only a 650w psu

[brittle lagoon]

what board

b450-f?

[turbid locust]

You should have the 12.0.7 agesa update for that board, Strix b450-f

[shut spoke]

Yes

[brittle lagoon]

not great, wouldn't use it w 5800x3d

from the old am4 vrm sheet

[turbid locust]

5800x3ds are incredibly power limited

[brittle lagoon]

from the ltt tier list

[shut spoke]

I’ll wait and see if prime day and the Newegg sales offer any cheaper prices for both intel and amd

[turbid locust]

A 5800x3d pulls less than a 5800x, lower freq and it's voltage/power limits

[azure pond]

5700x games very similarly to a 5800x, id look for that

And it'll be perfectly fine on your current motherboard

[turbid locust]

A 5700x is literally a worse clocking 5800x, those lower clocks marginally reduce power draw

[azure pond]

it has a lower power draw and .2ghz lower boost clock, and it games very similarly to a 5800x

its also a much cooler chip

5700x is also a bit cheaper

[turbid locust]

That's my point, the 5800x3d is way ahead of those two

[azure pond]

and also will require a new aio, and will kill those vrms

[turbid locust]

Dude

A 5800x3d has more strict power limits than the 5700/5800

And it's even got locked vcore

[azure pond]

no it does not, not at all

[turbid locust]

You can freely unlock the regular ryzen cpus

[azure pond]

ok?

[turbid locust]

Set manual PPT/TDC/EDC limits

[azure pond]

that doesnt mean a stock 5700x will pull more power than a 5800x3d

thats not how that works

[turbid locust]

The 5800x3d is so power limited disabling smt helps game perf

The play for that cpu is a really steep negative curve optimizer

You can also manually set the limits so anything under the stock limit

[azure pond]

lets say that you are right, and the power usage is actually lower than a 5700x (its not)

its also an extra $165

and requires a new aio

[turbid locust]

New aio?

[azure pond]

m240l is nowhere near enough for that chip

[turbid locust]

I'd get a new aio for a 8c zen 3 chip regardless

[azure pond]

ok

[turbid locust]

That thing is 🥴

[azure pond]

👍

[turbid locust]

I'm just saying, the money saved on a board could be spent on the x3d

And since it's currently the fastest stock cpu I think it's a good idea

for games

[fair moon]

Coolermaster site shows a 210W TDP for the M240

[azure pond]

the tdp rating means nothing

the m240 is a terrible aio, i wouldnt buy it in the first place, but since they already have it itll be alright enough for a 5700x

my 224xt is rated for what, 135w?

my 3600 runs p95 at 87c

under it

[shut spoke]

Yeah I got it for $30 which was fine at the time bc a 1600af isnt that powerful

What would be a good alternative 360mm aio that’s under $150?

[azure pond]

well, clc 280 is $60 atm

and can replace the fans to get near lf2 280mm perf

p14s are $10

or clc 360 for $80 and same thing with p12s, but 280 is the better deal

[fleet marlin]

360 "bigger number" but I'd personally go w/ a 280, sometimes they can match or beat some 360's and 140mm fans are often quieter.

[azure pond]

ye, 280 is def the better deal

and 280s are more similar to 360s than 240s

[shut spoke]

So this is my current setup rn. I would like it to have the same aesthetic

I may try to get a td500 or a 465x in the future

[turbid locust]

280x140 is 39200mm², 360x120 is 43200mm²

Very close to each other

Meanwhile 240x120 is 28800mm²

[azure pond]

is that an h510

[shut spoke]

H510i but it’s pretty old. I would like to get a new case soon since the airflow isn’t that good in this one

[azure pond]

yeah... thats why we have this emote

[shut spoke]

😂. Yeah I kind of regret it now but it was the first case I got when I first started bc it seemed user friendly for a new builder

It’s about 2 1/2 years old by now though

[azure pond]

check out the p360a, i think youd like the look of that one

[shut spoke]

I’m trying to get a td500 white for $100 which is the lowest I’ve seen it go to but it’s still pretty good for dual 360mm support. I think the extra $10 pays for the extra fan.

[azure pond]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/gfn8TW/cooler-master-masterbox-td500-mesh-white-w-controller-atx-mid-tower-case-mcb-d500d-wgnn-s01 this?

[shut spoke]

Is there anything especially bad about the td500? I really like the aesthetic but I don’t want to have a repeat of the h510

Yep

[azure pond]

looks good enough

the psu shroud looks small, does that only fit sff psus or am i just going crazy

[turbid locust]

I think I've built in that one

[stoic crest]

it fits normal psus

[turbid locust]

Iirc it was fine

Just not a lot of rad space

[shut spoke]

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QTJmP6/corsair-icue-465x-rgb-atx-mid-tower-case-cc-9011189-ww

[azure pond]

it looks like a good case, mesh front panel unlike the h510 lol

[shut spoke]

There’s also a deal on Newegg for the 465x for $120 after rebate

[azure pond]

now that looks awful

[stoic crest]

that case is bad for airflow

[shut spoke]

Oh ok

I’ll stick with the td500 then

[turbid locust]

Yeah not a bad case

I loved the white texture

[stoic crest]

i find the front panel to be weird looking

[azure pond]

i also like the look of this one

[stoic crest]

but that's just my taste

[azure pond]

lian li lancool 215

[azure pond]

ye i was just thinking that

[prisma cosmos]

One case i find cool costs too much

[shut spoke]

If I have a 360mm rad in in the front, would I not be able to put 3 fans in at the top?

[prisma cosmos]

240$ CAD for this case which looks cool but too expensive https://www.in-win.com/en/gaming-chassis/n515

[turbid locust]

You should have the room, depending on where the fittings are

[azure pond]

oh, if youre looking for a white 360 aio look at lian li galahad

or ek aios, i believe they have a good white 360

[prisma cosmos]

https://www.amazon.com/Addressable-Anti-Leak-Technology-Controller-Motherboard/dp/B07X74W9TL?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1 120 for this 360mm AIO

[shut spoke]

Ooh I saw that

$120 rn

[azure pond]

i do not believe thats good quality

[prisma cosmos]

Looks like 90$ when you click the coupon

[turbid locust]

If only arctic made a white LF2

[azure pond]

unless im remebering wrong, deep castle is essentially a knock off brand

[prisma cosmos]

I have seen multiple reviews about the 240mm version which there was nothing bad about it

[shut spoke]

I think randomfrankp used to have it but I don’t know how good it was

[prisma cosmos]

Deepcool is their own brand

The logo on their fans there is their gaming lineup called Gamer Storm

[shut spoke]

Is NZXT good for aios other than it being overpriced?

[azure pond]

nzxt aios are mid, not good but theres worse things

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/ZFD7YJ/lian-li-galahad-aio360-2022-6917-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-ga-360a-white this is a thing though

[prisma cosmos]

Most people if i recall buying those NZXT AIO's goes for the display on the pump

[shut spoke]

$150 ain’t bad

[stoic crest]

tfw corsair has one too

[azure pond]

which doesnt really make sense, sacraficing better cooling so you can have the temps display in your pc instead of on your screen

[stoic crest]

wait where did ek aio with screen go?

is it not launching yet

[turbid locust]

I have my temps on my keyboard

[prisma cosmos]

I believe you can do more than just show the temps

[stoic crest]

not on nzxt aios

only corsair aios can display images

and stuff

[shut spoke]

Don’t the new ones have images?

[turbid locust]

I have the Asus ryujin 2 and that has a screen on it

I haven't programmed it to display anything other than the Asus logo tho

[prisma cosmos]

But ya i used Deepcool CPU coolers and AIO's before and i never came across issues

[stoic crest]

deepcool aios are just meh

they don't have any problems

[shut spoke]

The z73 has image support

[stoic crest]

but just performs meh

[prisma cosmos]

Note the AIO's i have used from them is more like this one https://www.amazon.com/DeepCool-Anti-Leak-Technology-Motherboard-Connector/dp/B08QCK4JBD?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1

[turbid locust]

Ive used an ak620 on a 5950x with relatively good results

[shut spoke]

For $90 it can’t be that bad. The Galahad seems nice but it’s just $60 more

[stoic crest]

ak620 is nice

[turbid locust]

If you want value, get arctic liquid freezer 2 aios

Thicc rad and stronk fans

Also has the am4 offset mount

[azure pond]

lf2 is one of the best aios, but theyre not best value at the moment

clc aios are on sale atm, and are much cheaper

[stoic crest]

ye

[azure pond]

with fan replacements, theyre very similar to fl2 aios

[turbid locust]

CLCs are just brute force noise machines

[prisma cosmos]

on my system right now i am using this one which i haven't come across an issue https://www.deepcool.com/products/Cooling/cpuliquidcoolers/2021/11882.shtml

[azure pond]

emphasis on with fan replacements

[turbid locust]

Fan replacement is at least $20

[prisma cosmos]

Also been like half a year now i have been using it

[azure pond]

clc 280 with p14s is $80

[prisma cosmos]

The only difference i did on mine though is that i replaced the fan

For any AIO's that you look at i would have to say to look at reviews starting from like 2020/2021 because you could look up something with a similar name from like 2015 that could say it is bad but it would be an older model

I have had people tell me the "Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L V2" is bad because it leaks and the proof they end up showing me is for the V1 models

[turbid locust]

The ML240L V2 would be bad even if it didn't leak

[prisma cosmos]

I looked up even for people that didn't even like the V1 and they didn't really say anything bad about the V2

[shut spoke]

I think the ml is just bad in general but it was cheap for $30 for a starter $600 build

[stoic crest]

meanwhile enermax aio is having goo problem

they keep getting clogged up

cloggermax

idk how it even happened

[azure pond]

i didnt even know enermax made aios

[stoic crest]

it's just asetek design

[prisma cosmos]

People from another server i was on were always saying to get enermax because they're the best

[stoic crest]

ew

they make some good psus but like, no. don't get their aio.

unless you want a clogged up aio

[prisma cosmos]

Limit would be their air coolors

[stoic crest]

a ton of aios on the market are just asetek designs

boring copycats

just to say "hey we make liquid coolers too, come buy from us"

there's some good asetek designs but a lot of em feel like cookie cutter stuff

same thing, different fans

[prisma cosmos]

I honestly wanted to try out this cooler on my i5 but people from that server were saying it would be a waste of money

[stoic crest]

it would

probably as good, if not worse

as stock

basically stock replacement

if it's missing one

[prisma cosmos]

Yes but at the time when i used to make video's i was going to buy that to compare against the Intel stock

[stoic crest]

ah

i mean it's just 10, a vid might make more than that

so i can see why

[shut spoke]

Hyper 212 would be really good

[azure pond]

for that comparison?

[stoic crest]

nope

[shut spoke]

For the price

[azure pond]

h212 is ass

[stoic crest]

for same price there's gammaxx 400

[azure pond]

doesnt it lose to a 214xt?

[stoic crest]

yes

214xt is better

h212 is just ancient

first design dated back to like 2009

it was good for its time

but not more than a decade later

[shut spoke]

I’ve just heard good stuff abt h212 but ig it’s outdated

[stoic crest]

ye, very

it used to be good