can someone help me with my wireless model o scroll wheel please
#tech-deals-discussion
astral apex
i can click it in and it works but scrolling nothing works
a ribbon was disconnected so i reconected it and it didnt do anything
oak sentinel
wrong channel
grand orbit
Maybe not in us but for me there is soo
It doesn't say what countries lol
I will add not us tho
grave delta
Interesting to see all those smd caps on the back like that
grave delta
Some kind of write buffer energy supply? given that it's enterprise*
dark notch
Interesting to see all those smd caps on the back like that
https://www.ebay.co...
power less protection
*loss
for the dram
dense lynx
Does anyone have any good deals for the Samsung Galaxy watch 4
grizzled hazel
Just a heads up dont get X570 Giga Elite Pro wifi
First : Wifi connection working 2/3 of the time even tho it should be good
Second : The audio software sucks it took me 1 hour of internet searching to find that dell did better then giga 😦 sad
grave delta
That's one of the most popular x570 boards
grizzled hazel
still
it was a pain
even now
ever once and a while my ping hits from a average of 50-60 to 13k on valorant
and i look at my bothers pc right beside me at 50-60 ping
like BRUH
grand orbit
do you have the wifi drivers up to date yeah?
grand orbit
rip
grizzled hazel
the newest one
and the audio river
more like the ONLY ONE
they dont even care to fix it
only has ONE
raging but got to say
Giga 3060 ti oc pro
works fine
thats the good side
grand orbit
more like the ONLY ONE
usually windows auto audio has been better than at least gigabytes, sent me looping in windows starting the install process again btw
grizzled hazel
i using dells
it works better somehow
dont ask why it just does
look at it your self the audio only has one version
and when you plug in mic or headset it ask which one your using
grave delta
Kinda want this - but not at that price/seller rating https://www.ebay.com/itm/234213847554
grizzled hazel
you can only use one
grizzled hazel
Kinda want this - but not at that price/seller rating https://www.ebay.com/itm/2...
..... man did not see me raging over the giga does not update there motherboard stff
stuff
grave delta
Get the driver from realtek or something
brittle lagoon
it is an integrated one
thing is, realtek kinda makes the audio chip...?
also aorus elite wifi does have a bad wifi chip, Intel ac3168
1t1r
brittle lagoon
I'm saying it's no fault of gigabyte
grizzled hazel
all the MSI bundle got sold
brittle lagoon
just because the chip they used was bad for one board doesn't make all of their boards bad
grizzled hazel
i know but still raging about it like a kid
but the only physical problem is the Q-Flash
the light did not work and i ask them can i have another one to the store they said it is final sale
brittle lagoon
Kinda want this - but not at that price/seller rating https://www.ebay.com/itm/2...
Do you have a trx40 chip? although next gen TR should still use the same socket afaik
grave delta
Do you have a trx40 chip? although next gen TR should still use the same socket...
Soon ™️
Shopping for boards
grave delta
Do you have a trx40 chip? although next gen TR should still use the same socket...
no?
brittle lagoon
Oh no I'm talking about threadripper pro or whatever
grizzled hazel
.
brittle lagoon
Hopefully they have the giant cache or w/e
seems like more of a pain to cool considering how much heat you're already getting from that big a chip, and a pain to manufacture
grave delta
But there are 8 ccd's over a huge ihs, need a big rad, sure, but the heat density is manageable.
brittle lagoon
I made the assumption that we're talking about v cache, a problem I see with that is with increased height of one part of the chip (extra l3 cache), to cool the actual core that's at a lower height would involve something in between to transfer the heat, and that inefficiency compounded with that big of a chip and that many cores seems quite annoying to say the least.
although I'm still not sure how they're working on a whole chip w v cache
grave delta
Lol no, they just machine the ihs
slow sluice
I think they have epyc SKUs with v cache lined up
brittle lagoon
yea I'm prob just behind on hedt news
brittle lagoon
Lol no, they just machine the ihs
make the ihs with a bump? lol
slow sluice
I also didn't think that v cache increased the wafer height that much
grave delta
make the ihs with a bump? lol
The top would be flat ofc, I meant the underside
brittle lagoon
mmm
slow sluice
Either way it'll be huge
azure pond
I'm not sure if that g27c is actually on sale or not
grand orbit
That's the price i regularly see it at but still nice monitor
slow sluice
@dark notch remember to put the prices in the post
slow sluice
Ah, edit just showed up for me
Internet is being a bit slow rn
Wanna point out that it's a gen 4?
dark notch
phison e16 but yeh ig
slow sluice
115 for a drive that can crack 3000 MB/s random is pretty slick
I'm tempted, if I had two NVMe slots I'd take it no further thoughts
dark notch
its a stupid drive but hey its cheap 
slow sluice
Wdym stupid?
dark notch
glorified E12 
at launch it was like
$170
or like 60% more than an e12
and stupid hot
slow sluice
That line has consistently been one of the best price to performance for gen 4 drives
brittle lagoon
At launch bad but now good
brittle lagoon
That line has consistently been one of the best price to performance for gen 4 d...
(I think they mean for consumers considering price and performance offered at price, especially w e12 drives being like half the price at launch)
dark notch
if people waited 2 months, they coulda gotten a phison e18 etc, for the same price
right now its great
since its pcie 3.0 price
slow sluice
And much better than 3.0 performance wise
dark notch
like 30% better yeh
but wait 2 months
and you coulda gotten native pcie 4.0 drives
with like 100% better
slow sluice
like 30% better yeh
Depends what you look at
Multithreaded random loads are multiple times better
dark notch
citation needed?
slow sluice
About eight times more than the mp34 iirc
The thing gets 2.5-3 GB/s multithreaded random
It's nutty
dark notch
the E16?
dark notch
brittle lagoon
Also, although the pslc cache looks pretty good size, writing to native tlc be a bit on the slow side
dark notch
cdm aint a great benchmark, but lemme check, i dont remember gen 3 off top of my head
brittle lagoon
Wdym
slow sluice
I would have expected the 520 to outperform it
brittle lagoon
Might be different nand
dark notch
or that yeh
slow sluice
It probably is, but I would have thought the 520 would have better native performance
That thing is supposed to have some pretty good nand
dark notch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/500102809564348429/888593989933088848/I...
look at the Q1T1 4ks
brittle lagoon
Q32t1
brittle lagoon
Oh yes
dark notch
its literally better for writes, and the E16 is a sliver better on reads
and this is on a 1TB drive
thats 2/3 full
vs an empty 2TB drive
brittle lagoon
Rnd read 4k qd1 chart because fun
P31 should also beat it q1t1 reads considering this chart
brittle lagoon
Sth good people
slow sluice
look at the Q1T1 4ks
Q1T1 4k means diddly squat for most things these days
dark notch
compare E12 to E16, and they're very similiar for randoms
dark notch
Sth good people
i love patrick
brittle lagoon
Mm
dark notch
he's just so
happy
i love his energy in his videos
https://www.servethehome.com/pny-cs3040-1tb-pcie-gen4-nvme-ssd-review/2/
https://www.servethehome.com/inland-premium-1tb-nvme-ssd-review-a-store-brand-surprise/2/
First is E16, second E12S, unfortunately could not find apples to apple with same manufacturer with same nand etc.
sequentials are like 30% better yeh, but like might as well wait for the native pcie 4.0 drives
which are beasts
slow sluice
970 pro vs Energizer bunny when
slow sluice
Optane be optane
brittle lagoon
P5800x for ballers only
brittle lagoon
Z nand?
slow sluice
It's sad when the 970 pro is the cheap option
brittle lagoon
Huh
dark notch
its samsungs competitor to optane
its
not that good tbh
theres a couple niche
but its not as good as optane
slow sluice
You need speed these days, go raid
If you aren't saturating your chipset you aren't doing it right
brittle lagoon
3dxpoint op tho
Now that micron kinda dipped, Samsung should work with Intel on 3dxpoint
light bay
@silent rampart that abs gonna need a new cpu cooler for sure
silent rampart
<@544309693963829248> that abs gonna need a new cpu cooler for sure
yeah
light bay
Wish abs would do better coolers on 3k prebuilts lol
silent rampart
Wish abs would do better coolers on 3k prebuilts lol
lmao
jolly inlet
Kindles are fine for kids and people who don't want any level of control over their devices and don't mind Amazon having access to literally everything
grand orbit
<@544309693963829248> that abs gonna need a new cpu cooler for sure
Also awful price, there's 3080 pcs for like 800$ less
cloud hornet
At first read that for "3080 PCs for $800" and I was wondering the heck you meant
grand orbit
Lol
azure pond
At first read that for "3080 PCs for $800" and I was wondering the heck you mean...
Dell optiplex 3080
cloud hornet
I mean, that works lol
keen spire
keen spire
nah, id grab either of these https://pcpartpicker.com/product/WxZzK8/msi-mpg-a-g...
ill check them out, thanks
grand orbit
Np
rotund sail
will this ever be on browser?
safe shale
is "Kindinformatique" reliable?
they're like a shipping company at newegg
I was just wondering
brittle lagoon
That's just a third party seller that sells on Newegg
jolly inlet
@pallid geyser What device do you need a charger for? What's great for one might not be for another.
pallid geyser
2 iPhones primarily. We’re going to an outdoor concert here in a couple of weeks that’ll last basically all day
jolly inlet
Ah so a power bank, let me see...
pallid geyser
Ah, yeah, sorry 
jolly inlet
jolly inlet
Not really a gimmick, just a little slow to charge unless you get the angle just right with the sun
pallid geyser
Ah alrighty. Thanks 
imma go ahead and order that one
jolly inlet
Great! Happy to help
Just a note though, I don't expect those banks to last for more than maybe 100 charge cycles before they don't hold as much charge, but hard to beat getting 2x 10Ah batteries for $20
pallid geyser
True true, no worries really, this’ll be the main event that I use them for a while hopefully
marsh sphinx
Wait does Newegg do cyber Monday
stoic crest
I'm sure they do
leaden rune
does anyone know how long newegg is going to have this deal? https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali545/p/N82E16883360165?Item=N82E16883360165&Source=socialshare&cm_mmc=snc-social-_-sr-_-83-360-165-_-10052021
oak sentinel
does anyone know how long newegg is going to have this deal? https://www.newegg....
that pc is better
marsh sphinx
that case looks like it gets 0 airflow
i dont see any fans on the side intake, are there?
leaden rune
that pc is better
is it really?
oak sentinel
is it really?
Oh nvm
I didnt see the ti
in the one you sent
ignor
even tho theres like 2% difference between 3070 and 3070ti
but the other one is 100$ cheaper
marsh sphinx
the one you sent does have a better CPU though, despite the PSU being a little lower wattage and having slight slower ram, and the questionable case and CPU cooler...
oak sentinel
so yeah the one I sent better deal
leaden rune
how long does newegg have sales on pcs? or is it entirely random
jolly inlet
even tho theres like 2% difference between 3070 and 3070ti
It's a little more than that, you're thinking of the 3080 ti
More like 5-10% better for 3070 ti
Depending mostly on whether the game uses the memory a lot
grand orbit
I didnt see the ti
3070 ti is dookie
oak sentinel
3070 ti is dookie
ur dookie
grand orbit
is it really?
Yeah 3070 ti isn't worth any extra money over the 3070
Just case bit worse
grand orbit
More like 5-10% better for 3070 ti
Think you've got them mixed up 3070 ti is like 3% better than 3070 lol
oak sentinel
dark notch
Think you've got them mixed up 3070 ti is like 3% better than 3070 lol
when oc they're almost the same
G6X
is just terrible
grand orbit
when oc they're almost the same
Yeah you can definitely oc a 3070 to over a 3070 ti stock lol
marsh sphinx
Yeah you can definitely oc a 3070 to over a 3070 ti stock lol
reminds me of the 1070ti being similar to the 1080 when OCed
grand orbit
reminds me of the 1070ti being similar to the 1080 when OCed
That's usually the case of its fairly close to next step up with oc
marsh sphinx
well sometimes, definitely cant say the same with a 1060 and 1070
dark notch
thing is that 3070 and 3070 ti have a similar power budget, with the 3070 ti only being marginally more
but G6X
takes up more
so they basically have the same GPU core power budget
slow sluice
That's not really how the math works, but okay
brittle lagoon
It sometimes does work that way for CPUs for how much power it can pull and how much of that power is used up by io/imc/etc
marsh sphinx
this would make my janky aliexpress x79 builds complete lmao
grave delta
I've used one to power a 780 in an optiplex, HP though
I have a few dell 14th gen psus, but never used them with breakouts
marsh sphinx
I think my dell precision t3500's PSU uses standard connectors, i forget
i was surprised when i saw it
grave delta
That's ancient lol, idk about towers, but r710 era psus use a different pinout iirc
marsh sphinx
2010 is considered ancient? 😔
jolly inlet
Anything more than 5 years is usually considered obsolete in tech
marsh sphinx
Usually, not always
Actually, I'd say more often than not, older hardware still has a lot of uses
Ivybridge and Haswell xeons for example :)
Heck, even my westmere w3520 is still useful
jolly inlet
Obsolete doesn't mean useless, it just means we've moved past the tech used to make it
light bay
Obsolete doesn't mean useless, it just means we've moved past the tech used to m...
How dare you say that to the beloved hyper 212 smh
junior hull
I mean I loved my 212evo on my 4690k which is still running my network shares
Or the A10 7850k with hyper 212 running a media center lol
marsh sphinx
Obsolete doesn't mean useless, it just means we've moved past the tech used to m...
Fair enough
marsh sphinx
How dare you say that to the beloved hyper 212 smh
Cryorig H7 > Hyper 212
dark notch
se224xt > both
marsh sphinx
Well... back when it was actually like 25 bucks, which I think was years ago at this point
dark notch
grand orbit
How dare you say that to the beloved hyper 212 smh
Beloved is debatable
brittle lagoon
Popular is true
grand orbit
Or you could just get an id cooling se 224xt/gammaxx 400 with no rebate 
marsh sphinx
dang that link is so long you could land a plane on it
pulsar fable
dang that link is so long you could land a plane on it
Not my fault it's that long
brittle lagoon
You can cut it down
Like I can read the link and say you grabbed the link from Slickdeals.net
forest prairie
light bay
@dark notch that 6900xt formula, hows it compare to red devil?
grand orbit
Really well
light bay
Really well
Isnt red devil better tho?
grand orbit
Isnt red devil better tho?
Afaik formula better
light bay
hmm
jolly inlet
Not my fault it's that long
As a general rule on most sites you can delete everything after the "?" or "ref="
dark notch
<@!266241639003979776> that 6900xt formula, hows it compare to red devil?
better in all regards pretty much
air cooler is beefier (and prettier), has a better pcb
only con with the asrock (and the reason why i didnt get it) is that its limited to the bykski block
and honestly the bykski block is meh
it'll do the job but nothing special
light bay
air cooler is beefier (and prettier), has a better pcb
How'd the PCB better?
The one in the red devil holds the world record rn for 6900xt's
dark notch
The one in the red devil holds the world record rn for 6900xt's
its kinda hard to put a LN2 pot on the OCF
which is why they've mostly been using other models but hardmodded
i dont think anyone here will put it on Ln2 except maybe @grave delta so i would still consider this the best card
grand orbit
If i could actually swallow that cost I'd love to try out ln2 but don't think that'll happen anytime soon xD
marsh sphinx
YOOOOOOOO
I JUST GOT THIS FOR FREE FROM A SENIOR AT MY COLLEGE
LETS GOOOOOOO
A whole freaking:
X99 extreme6 board
24 gigs of ddr4 or something around there
I7 5930k
WOOOOOO
uneven void
torn needle
That is a thicc cooler
forest prairie
gigamaster
warm thicket
That's EPIC
marsh sphinx
dang slot D1 is dead
at least i know for sure thats the only issue
3 hours of testing for that knowledge is good enough for me
marsh sphinx
actually its a 5820k, i got it confused with a cpu in one of the x99 boards in my classroom
practically the same as 5930k though, just without the 40 lanes and higher clockspeeds
stoic crest
lol well yeah
marsh sphinx
I might have to snag one of those 2680v3s for myself 👀
a 5820k is good and all but sheeesh
@grave delta My dad might actually end up buying one of those servers you posted
grave delta
lol, I kinda want to pick one up as well
marsh sphinx
I probably would too if I didnt already buy my r620 😔
cinder tinsel
What's a gpu server used for
jolly inlet
Typically specialized tasks that require a lot of compute power, AI processing, large renders, stuff like that
warm thicket
Rack mounted workstation also sometimes
brittle lagoon
@dark notch I think you mean b stock PSUs, but I don't see any good deals there tbh
what even is a 710 bp
brittle lagoon
nice
leaden rune
out of these two deals, which one is the best?
jolly inlet
The first one, but you'll definitely need to get a better cooler either way
quick hornet
The first one has lower ram speed, but it comes with a keyboard and mouse. Other than that, the first one also has an i7, so I think it’s def the first one
lofty moss
yeah the extra 2/4 for the same price makes it worth it
also the 120mm aio will be enough
leaden rune
does the ram speed make a difference?
jolly inlet
Even though the second one has a K processor there's no guarantee they actually used a Z motherboard to let you overclock
leaden rune
3000 vs 3200
lofty moss
Even though the second one has a K processor there's no guarantee they actually ...
supposedly they do
quick hornet
does the ram speed make a difference?
Not a whole lot in this case
jolly inlet
Interesting. Well the first will do better out of the box probably but if you want to try overclocking the second could be fun too.
quick hornet
I think ram speed usually matters depending on what your components run better with
Eg my cpu runs best with 3600
lofty moss
the first one has 3000 ram, but will only run it at 2933 max
jolly inlet
Intel tends to have the sweet spot around 3200, where the memory starts having less effect
lofty moss
but even then, its not that big of a difference
quick hornet
Like, it does effect the speed of the memory, but your components also may be more compatible with certain speeds
lofty moss
eh
leaden rune
so go with the first one or second one?
quick hornet
First one def
jolly inlet
Up to you but I'd do first yeah
lofty moss
same boost clock
leaden rune
ty
quick hornet
Plus keyboard and mouse
leaden rune
and sexy evga card ...
lofty moss
yees
leaden rune
ok wel i get paid in a week and a half lets hope it's still on sale then
jolly inlet
and sexy evga card ...
Well there's no guarantee on what brand GPU you get
lofty moss
but they actually usable
jolly inlet
Oh good catch
lofty moss
it also comes with the new evga keeb and mouse
leaden rune
how long do you guys think it'll be on sale?
i get paid in a week and a half and that's when i'll buy it
jolly inlet
Doubt it'll be in stock by then
lofty moss
or
leaden rune
i cant apply for that i think
lofty moss
leaden rune
i'm 17 with a debit so idk
lofty moss
rip
jolly inlet
I got approved for credit when I was 16, just need parent consent
pallid bobcat
I’m debit gang too, no debt for me :)
lofty moss
cc's are dope tho
quick hornet
If you can’t spend money that you don’t have, then you will have no debt
lofty moss
just dont spend money you know you wont have
leaden rune
pretty sure if it does go out of stock the time i get that pc, it might go back on sale for $1899 after restock
lofty moss
yup
pallid bobcat
But why do you need a credit score if you don’t want debt
quick hornet
Just make a bunch of small purchases and repay them immediately to make your credit score go up.
quick hornet
But why do you need a credit score if you don’t want debt
You need a good CS for some things
lofty moss
i use my capital one card because its got the rfid thing, then i just pay it off
lofty moss
Just make a bunch of small purchases and repay them immediately to make your cre...
when you pay doesnt make a difference
you could even just stick with the minimums
pallid bobcat
The fact that you do pay is what makes the difference
lofty moss
yup
jolly inlet
Credit looks at balance at statement time. If you have no balance, it does nothing
pallid bobcat
You need a good CS for some things
Only loans and mortgages
pallid bobcat
And everything else you can use cash
quick hornet
I mean, I could get a credit card right now, I just don’t see the point.
dark notch
you build credit
when you get car loan and they see you paid your cc on time every month for 3 year they think that is good
quick hornet
I don’t want to be tempted to use it though
dark notch
fair enough
pallid bobcat
I don’t want debt, i bought my car, my computer, my piano keyboard, my camera, my phone, and all the stuff i have with cash, it just takes more patience. I’m not going in debt except for a house mortgage, possibly.
quick hornet
I’d rather spend money that I know I have irresponsibly
pallid bobcat
Um yes mortgage is debt
Well, then buying a car with payments isn’t debt either
Then all debt isn’t debt
Nah if its not cash its debt
I’m actually kinda sorry i came and changed the topic, whoops :D
grave delta
I don’t want debt, i bought my car, my computer, my piano keyboard, my camera, m...
Nothing inherently wrong with this - but understand that it's not a rational approach assuming you can borrow money at reasonable interest rates
void whale
https://youtu.be/qnD6jIqyj-w?t=13 @lofty moss I like how they touch the mic at 0:11 (this was on the page for that gpu) also they yeeted a knife at the camera man
grave delta
e.g. even if you have many millions in worth, it doesn't make sense to buy your ferrari with cash if they dealer is willing to lease it to you for 3% apr
pallid bobcat
But why pay any interest at all? Buying stuff with money you don’t have can lead to rash decisions
grave delta
You have to consider the opportunity cost with what you could be doing with that money
Unless you're incapable of making more than the low single digit apr that any normal loan will incur, you're better off taking the loan
jolly inlet
A lot of people don't have the option of saving cash for 5 years to buy a used car outright
8-10 for a new car
grave delta
Well, they could - but it just really doesn't make sense to
Unless they know they're prone to defaulting on loans etc
dark notch
it might be better to get a loan and finance and like
put the money in stonk
or smth
pallid bobcat
A lot of people don't have the option of saving cash for 5 years to buy a used c...
Why would it take that long? Are you assuming a very bad saver, a jobless person, or wanting a really nice used car?
jolly inlet
A used car less than 5 years old will be about 25k right now depending on model. That's more than I used to make in a year. A lot of people are below the poverty line like that.
pallid bobcat
Ok that is true, the used car market is like gpu market right now
jolly inlet
Sure you could get some 15 year old model for 5k but you'll spend a lot more on maintenance
pallid bobcat
But there is nothing saying you need a newer that 5 year old car
dark notch
bmw moment
pallid bobcat
Sure you could get some 15 year old model for 5k but you'll spend a lot more on ...
I got a 2001 f150 😎
For not 5k
jolly inlet
Trucks are different
pallid bobcat
And after two years I’ve only had to pay a little over 200 to fix a brake leak
Trucks get worse gas mileage :/
jolly inlet
You got lucky, but trucks are just easier/cheaper to maintain
pallid bobcat
Hence the motivation for trucks
lofty moss
didnt realize amd just had cards to sell
jolly inlet
i guess these are just available
Yep, that's AMD cards for you. It's more demand for nvidia because mining. MC has a lot in stock usually too.
grave delta
TL;DR make your money work for you, letting it sit around in a .5% apr savings account loses you money compared to the fed 1% inflation rate
pallid bobcat
TL;DR make your money work for you, letting it sit around in a .5% apr savings a...
Invest it in mutual funds
jolly inlet
And bonds
grave delta
Invest it in mutual funds
yes, mutual funds are a very common component of many investment portfolios for good reason
pallid bobcat
Not advertising, but FNILX (low cap index fund) through fidelity is really good, no fees
grave delta
I would read around motley fool and morningstar
pallid bobcat
And yeah, some say bonds should make up your age in percent of your portfolio until you’re like 40
grave delta
And yeah, some say bonds should make up your age in percent of your portfolio un...
Should is a strong word there imo - but if your investment strategy is similarly that conservative, sure
pallid bobcat
Alright, use can
And i said some say
I don’t have my age in bonds, i have ten percent. And i am older than legal discord age
But whatever
I like managing my money
Ok gn bye
reef escarp
dark notch
buy shib
brittle lagoon
@grand orbit that rmx is 20$ shipping tho
grand orbit
<@!191276897227898880> that rmx is 20$ shipping tho
Ahh add that to the post,still decent with shipping cost
Amazon weird so couldn't tell cuz not in the us 
marsh sphinx
What're some other good PSUs at a good price right now around 600-700W? I'm gonna need a new one for the x99 system I'm putting together
brittle lagoon
What're some other good PSUs at a good price right now around 600-700W? I'm gonn...
brittle lagoon
Ahh add that to the post,still decent with shipping cost
a-gf cheaper after shipping >:p
grand orbit
a-gf cheaper after shipping >:p
Aye true, 20$ shipping sad
marsh sphinx
here
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08PDV45F8/
How would you compare that one to an EVGA Supernova G5 of the same wattage, efficiency and modularity?
brittle lagoon
How would you compare that one to an EVGA Supernova G5 of the same wattage, effi...
good bit better
grave delta
G5 would have to be real cheap to justify it on a budget build compared to other options tbh
marsh sphinx
Oh shoot, I ask because I found one on Amazon going for 72 bucks
brittle lagoon
well a-gf being 80$ nice
marsh sphinx
Yea I'm gonna consider that one too, thanks btw
grave delta
lacking in cables but https://www.ebay.com/itm/265326077551
marsh sphinx
Yea, I wish it had its cables. Might be a good option to get that one then buy the cables for it separate. Then again that one is used and it isn't a G5
Hmm
grave delta
marsh sphinx
2 dollars more expensive than the g5 on Amazon I mentioned lol
grave delta
But G2/G3 or similar >>>> G5
Has some quirks like high otp/opp, but just don't try to use it as a welder
marsh sphinx
Dang I wanted to build a bridge with it though. Bummer
🗿
I might go with that one then, I'm gonna do some more research on PSUs though before I do
Thanks
grave delta
I might go with that one then, I'm gonna do some more research on PSUs though be...
I highly recommend reading through some of aris m's reviews on tpu
marsh sphinx
Sounds good
marsh sphinx
Well I know what to look for in a psu for the most part, but I'm just not very familiar with a lot of the psu offerings these days
grave delta
aris is the psu god
marsh sphinx
I see lol
brittle lagoon
Well I know what to look for in a psu for the most part, but I'm just not very f...
then PSU tier list has a unit index in the sources sheet you can look at
tells you topology, fan, caps, oem, platform, etc
marsh sphinx
Oh alright, thanks
brittle lagoon
I highly recommend reading through some of aris m's reviews on tpu
also, I think aris might write on both TPU and tom's hardware
grave delta
Toms has tons of freelance writers, terk used to be one
brittle lagoon
mm
grave delta
@hearty crown Not a fan of mr Thomas's photography here https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/asus-rog-zenith-ii-extreme-alpha-review-more-overkill
Could use some better macro shots of the ICs, lighting
hearty crown
that was on the tail-end of his work there
grave delta
Soon ™️
brittle lagoon
You really did buy that trx40 board eh
grave delta
For <$400 shipped with a block, I think it was a pretty good deal
The aorus board, not so much, but not terrible
brittle lagoon
mmm
marsh sphinx
What're you gonna do with it
grave delta
minecraft
brittle lagoon
Also forky what chips are you going to grab for that dell quad socket server?
grave delta
I put that together a few days ago haha
grave delta
Ooooo, a server right? What kind
lol, workstation build actually, gromacs/molecular dynamics simulation
grave delta
TR is a very niche fit for minecraft hosting - I would think. You're better off running 64-128GB revb in a 10900/10850x/5950x box
marsh sphinx
Yea probably
grave delta
That'd be a good folding @ home machine too
Eh, kinda, cpu compute is better utilized in other distributed computing platforms like BOINC iirc
marsh sphinx
Well yea
slow sluice
Yeah
Protein simulations have been super optimized for GPU
Though F@H for protein folding is probably going to be obsolete soon 😦
brittle lagoon
Why would that be?
slow sluice
AlphaFold 2
Higher accuracy than any existing protein folding system with a fraction of the runtime
brittle lagoon
interesting
slow sluice
dark notch
Well I know what to look for in a psu for the most part, but I'm just not very f...
just buy leadex
brittle lagoon
just buy g2
grave delta
Just use a car battery
brittle lagoon
just use server psu
minor lava
Just plug your pc into the wall
grave delta
I think a car battery could actually work just fine, voltage might be a bit high at idle
dark notch
I think a car battery could actually work just fine, voltage might be a bit high...
haha transients go bR
grave delta
I want to try this now...
marsh sphinx
Uh oh.
civic sun
stream it
marsh sphinx
That would make for some good YT content too lol
grave delta
Charging it now, might be a bit at only 6 amps
slow sluice
I think a car battery could actually work just fine, voltage might be a bit high...
Depending on what sort of power circuitry is being used that might not be an issue
dark notch
isnt car battery more like
short discharge
using them for continued use
=> bad
dont you want a marine battery
or a golf cart battery
jolly inlet
Yeah normal use for a car battery is a short burst of high load, then straight into a recharge cycle when the alternator kicks on
That's why you can drain your battery with a single light on overnight, even though that light uses a lot less than the 800A+ it's rated for over that time
grave delta
A regular car battery will easily be enough capacity for the few minutes the <100w of pc I would test this on will draw
jolly inlet
A few minutes is fine sure, a few hours could be a problem
There was a guy in the line next to me at the best buy drop that took his car battery out, hooked up a couple terminals, and wired his cpap machine to it. And his car still started the next day.
He said he planned on going camping soon anyway and he'd have to do something like that, so it's better if he stops breathing with more people around than in the middle of the forest when he's testing that setup.
jolly inlet
$200 for 11400 is a good deal, basically 5600X performance level.
unborn sparrow
I have a question, I am thinking about going amd and I was wondering what are the down sides of going for one of the new apu
I was considering going for 5700g or 5600x what would be the down side for going for the 5700g
brittle lagoon
5700g has half the l3 cache as 5800x, reduced performance.
dark notch
$200 for 11400 is a good deal, basically 5600X performance level.
thats almost price tho
which completely dominates
11400
light bay
which completely dominates
Nah bro smh just turn on pbo on the 11400 and you good smh
torpid night
5700g has half the l3 cache as 5800x, reduced performance.
so it’s faster :)
oak sentinel
Nah bro smh just turn on pbo on the 11400 and you good smh
just got an 11500 and pbo works great
light bay
just got an 11500 and pbo works great
Yeah I turn on pbo on my core i5 3600xt
oak sentinel
Yeah I turn on pbo on my core i5 3600xt
pbo on this pc works SO well
literally boosts to 6ghz on air
marsh sphinx
Yea I love my Intel Core i9 3900X. Great upgrade from the FX 5 2600
It does like 420ghz or something idk
grand orbit
Damm mine only does 6.9ghz :/
marsh sphinx
You must've gotten the old model or something
marsh sphinx
literally boosts to 6ghz on air
Hwmonitor used to actually tell me that my 2600 would boost to 5.6GHz lmao
That's when I just switched to hwinfo64
forest prairie
lol
broken epoch
ryzen 5 5600x 3070ti 16gb ram 2000 yay or nay?
grand orbit
ryzen 5 5600x 3070ti 16gb ram 2000 yay or nay?
2000 what? Usd? Cad? euro?
broken epoch
Usd
broken epoch
2000 what? Usd? Cad? euro?
Usd
oak sentinel
ryzen 5 5600x 3070ti 16gb ram 2000 yay or nay?
thats 3080 and 5800x prices
grand orbit
how come?
https://www.newegg.com/abs-ali559/p/N82E16883360189?itemPosition=1-11&exactIndex=1 cuz you can get this for 600$ less and just as good
grand orbit
thats 3080 and 5800x prices
Not prebuilt
oak sentinel
Not prebuilt
true true
grand orbit
10400f is slightly worse
3060 ti is like 10% worse than 3070 ti
Not worth 600$ more for tiny bit better parts
ebon stratusBOT
broken epoch
coo thanks a lot i appreciate the advice!
grand orbit
Np
slow sluice
Wait what
ebon stratusBOT
slow sluice
f
steel sapphire
grand orbit
Figured but you online lol
ebon stratusBOT
oak sentinel
damn
pastel echo
anyone knows where i can get an Arctis Pro Wireless(the $330) white one that ships internationally?
grand orbit
Why not just buy them in your country?
grave delta
Haha yeah I think I'll pay the $10 to have it shipped from the us instead of aliexpress, would probably do $200 on offer https://www.ebay.com/itm/284451952742
marsh sphinx
Likely
@grave delta https://www.ebay.com/itm/234227461172?hash=item36890b6c34:g:AkQAAOSwB6VhYfil here's this one I saved if they dont accept the offer.
the description in this one says they consider every offer ^
grave delta
Personally I'd buy from the big name vendor vs casual seller if the price is the same, but can't hurt to try a lower offer
marsh sphinx
yea
leaden rune
is there any way to get a discount on buying a pc on newegg?
slow sluice
Yes
grave delta
Be theo
slow sluice
Buy one that's on sale
marsh sphinx
[insert honey sponor here]
leaden rune
genius
slow sluice
Are you signed up for the promo emails?
leaden rune
yesss
marsh sphinx
[insert honey sponor here]
This message is sponsered by honey,
Honey gives U honey 🍯
fax.
slow sluice
Aight, that's pretty much the options
ebon stratusBOT
light bay
Lol sick
gritty tartan
no no to scams
tawny pendant
whats the best cheapest psu for 500 watts?
I was thinking this but im not sure
ah damn its unavailable :/
merry void
whats the best cheapest psu for 500 watts?
best and cheapest dont go well together
jolly inlet
I was thinking this but im not sure
W1 is at the bottom of the D tier, borderline explosive ordinance
What cpu and gpu are you trying to power with this?
tawny pendant
tawny pendant
What cpu and gpu are you trying to power with this?
Orange mushroom told me to get this instead for my intel I5-2500 and nvidia gtx 650
Idk if its gr8 since I barely know pc stuff but yea
It seems better then the one I thought of
serene matrix
jolly inlet
Probably better but I can't find the GN model in the tier list...
jolly inlet
https://www.amazon.com/Seasonic-CORE-Semi-Modular-Power-Supply/dp/B08WNGTZXK/ref...
Yes that's a B tier unit but also twice the price
You can get a 750W A tier for that price
pastel echo
Orange mushroom told me to get this instead for my intel I5-2500 and nvidia gtx ...
save your money and get an amd apu, gtx 650 🤣 dafuq is that gonna do with even microsoft paint ever being so demanding
jolly inlet
Personally I'd get this one because modular and only a couple $ more https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DmWrxr/evga-bq-600w-80-bronze-certified-semi-modular-atx-power-supply-110-bq-0600-k1
tawny pendant
save your money and get an amd apu, gtx 650 🤣 dafuq is that gonna do with even...
I just need my computer to work again bro plus my parts work fine with everything I do I mostly just play csgo n its not that heavy on my pc
tawny pendant
Personally I'd get this one because modular and only a couple $ more https://pc...
Alrighty gotcha thank you bro
jolly inlet
You can get a 750W A tier for that price
Yeah, B tier 750W with RGB even https://pcpartpicker.com/product/97zFf7/corsair-cxf-750-w-80-bronze-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020218-na
loud sandal
no no to scams
Yes
brittle lagoon
K552 annoying
merry void
Orange mushroom told me to get this instead for my intel I5-2500 and nvidia gtx ...
Pick up a $15 B stock unit tbh
grand orbit
K552 annoying
Why? Mechanical for 17$ noice
brittle lagoon
Why? Mechanical for 17$ noice
as a k552 owner, it's very very very barebones and sad
and it's also blues, blues annoying
grand orbit
Ahh
marsh sphinx
i have a k55 which isnt mechanical or anything
i still hate it
the handrest broke off ages ago
at least it has media keys...
azure pond
I had the k552 and I hated it, so much
The keys feel loose almost, and they just don't sound good at all
Preferred my 10$ regular work keyboard over it
jolly inlet
All for the low low price of a single RTX 3090
grave delta
192 watt fan https://www.ebay.com/itm/133863753848 $12
I picked up two, should be fun to play with. Something like 30k rpm, the blades are metal.
brittle lagoon
192 watt fan https://www.ebay.com/itm/133863753848 $12
How does that even work?
brittle lagoon
I picked up two, should be fun to play with. Something like 30k rpm, the blades...
real finger chippers eh?
grave delta
Search youtube for hp c7000
I actually saw one of these at the surplus last year for $150, only had two blades with some ddr2 I think.
brittle lagoon
jet engines
grave delta
I think there were 6? 2400w psu's that slot in at the bottom
Lol - sticker at the top reads 240v 13 amps
grave delta
$30 shipped https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000QSNYGI
brittle lagoon
Yes whey
oak sentinel
isnt whey bad for you in the long run?
dim gate
Hello everyone! Looking to upgrade my Video card and I need help!! Motherboard Gigabyte AMD FX 8350 (Current video card {1G VRAM} in PCIEX16 named slot) Desktop/tower set up. Looking to buy a 3G or 4G VRAM capable from Newegg.
grand orbit
Hello everyone! Looking to upgrade my Video card and I need help!! Motherboard...
Hey whats your budget? Because if you can I'd really advise also upgrading cpu
crystal peak
FX8350 is such a weak cpu now that no doubt that 1gb gpu could be getting bottlenecked by it lmao
dim gate
so better just upgrade motherboard as well?
crystal peak
you can get a hold of good rzyen boards without spending too much
dim gate
I'd be happy to upgrade my entire system, but not super confident in putting it together correctly
crystal peak
if your wanna go for current gen ryzen 5000 a b550 or x570 board would do the job
grand orbit
you can get a hold of good rzyen boards without spending too much
Yeah but not the cpus 
marsh sphinx
@grave delta dang, already snagging more deals from your university? 😔
grave delta
Those pics are old, and I had no interest in buying that boat anchor/space heater
marsh sphinx
oh lmao
marsh sphinx
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284087753839? this CPU cooler of questionable quality has peaked my curiosity 👀
24 bucks though, at that point it'd just make more sense to get a se224xt lmao
warm thicket
I love buying weird Chinese parts to test out lmao
marsh sphinx
same lmao
The last 4 or so builds Ive done were on those chinese x79 and x99 boards lmao
They're surprisingly decent
well, if you know which to go for
vague veldt
Is the Sam's club cyberpower desktop for 1500 a good deal
warm thicket
Gonna pick up a X99 board from aliexpress soon
marsh sphinx
Gonna pick up a X99 board from aliexpress soon
oooo which one?
and paired with which cpu?
warm thicket
HUANANZHI F8
marsh sphinx
If you're going purely for value, I'd suggest going with the e5 2678v3, and using DDR3 ECC with the X99 TF
vague veldt
?
marsh sphinx
super cheap considering the performance
warm thicket
I dont care about value tbh
marsh sphinx
😔 how??
jolly inlet
Is the Sam's club cyberpower desktop for 1500 a good deal
link?
warm thicket
I build systems for fun all the time
marsh sphinx
dang ok
well if you want fun
https://www.ebay.com/itm/185063168676? @warm thicket
vague veldt
I tried it said I couldn't post links
jolly inlet
Oh wait I'll just grab from logs
marsh sphinx
higher single-core performance than the low end e5 26xxv3's
warm thicket
epic
marsh sphinx
plus its 14 cores, and has higher clockspeed on top of those
warm thicket
Does the F8 support v4 xeons?
vague veldt
Yes that one
vague veldt
I was going to to build my own with a 3080 and 5900.
marsh sphinx
Does the F8 support v4 xeons?
dont forget to turbo boost unlock 👀
a TBU'ed 2678v3 competes with an R7 2700x
in multi-core mainly
vague veldt
But in today's market this looked easier for the time being just to have a working pc
jolly inlet
If you can get a GPU the rest of the PC is easy. Might need to settle for 3070 ti, it'll still do 1440p fine and is easier to find.
marsh sphinx
next thing you know RAM is gonna go back to 2018 prices 💀
a kit of 32GB @ 2666MTs was like what, 200 USD? yikes
jolly inlet
It's been going down pretty steadily lately, saw 32gb for $80 a couple days ago
jolly inlet
DDR5 might be expensive though, but hopefully we don't see a spike in DDR4 like when we moved from DDR3
marsh sphinx
yea im betting it'll definitely be expensive on release
good thing next gen intel boards are gonna support ddr4 aswell as 5
vague veldt
I had my eye on 64 kit
marsh sphinx
dang, what are you gonna use 64gb for?
jolly inlet
64 is getting into the range where you'll sacrifice performance for capacity
vague veldt
Idk like to get back into cad (solid works)
jolly inlet
Then you want vram, and 32gb of system ram is plenty
jolly inlet
Don't forget the RTX A series
warm thicket
Are they not officially called Quadros?
warm thicket
Kinda dumb
marsh sphinx
nvidia doing nvidia things
jolly inlet
Sometimes they're called quadro and sometimes they're not, even on nvidia pages
warm thicket
Lmfao
jolly inlet
Like here, quadro isn't mentioned at all
slow sluice
Should be that pre ampere they call them Quadro, but who knows if Nvidia stuck to that
reef elbow
I wonder why
candid olive
slow sluice
Volta was just an architecture
stoic crest
^
jolly inlet
Yeah I know, but they're about the same performance. The hyper 212 lost our recommendation because it's more expensive.
The black edition is the good model btw.
Some people like the looks of the 212 more and know the name, so if they're willing to deal with the rebate it's not a bad idea for them.
marsh sphinx
how much does the cryorig h7 go for these days?
i remember thats what i got when the 212 evo was getting popular, the h7 was a really good contender and imo it was better
oh around 30 bucks, nice
warm thicket
The H7 is $50 on amazon
marsh sphinx
i checked ebay
there's a few going for 30
well they arent new actually so you're right
im too used to just going for used hardware lol
slow sluice
Used cooler should be pretty safe as long as you get to see the plate
marsh sphinx
yea, ive been going for used parts for a long time now
pulsar fable
Is it bad that I got a chuckle from someone immediately downvoting the hyper 212 deal?
grand orbit
i mean its a fine deal
if you must have h212 black for some reason
same price as id cooling se 224xt basic tho id just get that
marsh sphinx
sick
i love the LGA2011 platforms, as anyone would be able to tell lol
have an x99 board sitting next to me that im gonna use to do some test OCing soon
after i finish my classwork 💀
civic sun
where do you get notification for the evga gpus
brittle lagoon
go to evga site and notify
civic sun
i feel like i gone to there website a thousand times, hard to navigate, then get lazy and quit lol
solar cedar
Yea EVGA has pretty crappy interface
light bay
same price as id cooling se 224xt basic tho id just get that
Yeah but better fan on 212b
grand orbit
Yeah but better fan on 212b
Ehhhh not sure if it is but even if it is you don't have to go through the effort of mail in rebate
light bay
Ehhhh not sure if it is but even if it is you don't have to go through the effor...
It is, basic has a basic hydraulic bearing and 212black has a loop dynamic bearing
212black fan is ip6x too, and is self lubricating. That thing will last longer than humans on earth lol
dark notch
thats not how fancy sleeve bearings work
if you want a true long lasting fan dbb is paramount
reason why no server fan worth its salt uses anything but
prisma mortar
😔 there is never any tech deals for things i need
problem with dbb fans is that they tend to be loud
gotta go with maglev or fluid dynamic or SSO2 for quiet stuff
slow sluice
A good fluid dynamic can also have a long life span
azure pond
A good fluid dynamic can also have a long life span
So what you're saying
If i mess up my fluid dynamic, I'll live less
slow sluice
I guess
Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that fluid bearings tend to be rated for a longer life than ball bearings
marsh sphinx
yea single ball bearing arent really used in recent PC fans
it's usually a variant of sleeve or "maglev" like what corsair uses in their expensive fans
brittle lagoon
dbb op
dark notch
problem with dbb fans is that they tend to be loud
but
gentle typhoon noise normalized matches A12x25 perf
or at worst is like
a tiny tiny bit behind
and at best ahead
dark notch
A good fluid dynamic can also have a long life span
not as long and its a lot harder to relube a glorified sleeve than dual ball bearings
dark notch
Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that fluid bearings tend to be rated for a ...
citation needed?
noctua SSO2 is 150k hours MTTF
nidec GT is 250k hours mttf
dark notch
it's usually a variant of sleeve or "maglev" like what corsair uses in their exp...
corsair maglev is cursed
prisma mortar
well, fluid dynamic and dbb have their uses, dbb is more bearable if you are running it at lower speeds, while fluid dynamic can and should be run faster for it to actually do the fluid dynamic thing
well, a good dbb will definitely beat a bad fd bearing
dark notch
comparing a good dbb to a good fdb
is what im doing
and good dbb > good fdb in terms of rated mttf at least
and noise normalized
i'd consider GT vs A12X25 a wash, the performance difference is quite slim and whichever one is better often flip flops
for example his testing found t30-120 best, with GT in second place
and theres optimumtech's testing too
and vsg
slow sluice
From what I've seen the main reason that server fans tend to use dbb is that dbb performs better at higher RPMs since viscosity is a thing
dark notch
all they're very close
vento pro mttf is 250k hours at 25C 
thats like 30 years
so lit
noctua doesnt release temp spec on their mttf
gotta love how toughfan, and a12x25 are just imitations of the legend of a fan that is the GT
prisma mortar
time to wait for gn to release fan testing videos 
dark notch
GN fan testing will be interestin
im always quite interested in fan testing methodology
since theres a lot of nuance
slow sluice
gn did a fan bearing overview a long time ago, haven't really revisited since
dark notch
since performance on one rad isnt really representative of another
prisma mortar
gn did a fan bearing overview a long time ago, haven't really revisited since
yeah that was on a blog post or something right? i think i looked at that post like 2 years ago while doing some research on bearing types on pc fans
slow sluice
im always quite interested in fan testing methodology
Good start would be pressure and volume moved per second. Can do some basic comparisons with that
Ideally you'd want to know how that airflow is distributed radially, but that'd be a lot harder to measure
dark notch
thing about volumetric airflow is that theres dead spots etc.
imo
pick a popular rad (GTS would be a good one)
noise normalize to a variety of noise levels
prisma mortar
also im pretty sure fluid dynamic bearings could last quite a bit longer on pc fans if you could refill the fluid used in it like how those bearings are in the industrial applications
slow sluice
They refill themselves as they spin
prisma mortar
i mean on industrial applications, not cpu fans
slow sluice
i mean on industrial applications, not cpu fans
Yeah, they do
Fans usually are sealed though
prisma mortar
so if cpu fan manufacturers provide a way to refill, then that would be pretty cool
slow sluice
Relatively low price item, easier to replace than manage refills
prisma mortar
i guess
dark notch
if after 10 years your gt is running a bit dry, just get a thin needle and squirt a bit more oil in there
with sealed fdb not exactly easy
prisma mortar
the fluid probably is some proprietary mix anyways
dark notch
and GT is rated at 60k hours at 60c, 250k at 25c 
noctua says 150k hours but doesnt specify temp
will assume thats at 25c until they say
slow sluice
FDB tend to be less temperature dependent
prisma mortar
im pretty sure fdb will fail faster at certain orientations or something
brittle lagoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrVtVHSW3_w
btw need to test p12 pwm pst co >:D
prisma mortar
or maybe it's just some words that people are pulling from their ass on forum posts, which is not unheard of lmao
slow sluice
Sleeved does, fluid less so, and then the various ball bearings