Excuse you z690 a pro is meta
#tech-deals-discussion
cinder kiln
Yes but he's got a 280$ tomahawk
molten urchin
yeah
cinder kiln
How do you justify that with an aio that can't oc 💀
grand orbit
And i did actually get a oc working fine it was other issues so i just turned it off
grand orbit
Exactly so it's fineeee
cinder kiln
We went through this field of rosy thorns together
grand orbit
Just don't bork the socket xd
cinder kiln
molten urchin
grand orbit
Not throttling in p95 is for loosers anyway
molten urchin
OKAY okay
grand orbit
cinder kiln
I have another suggestion
molten urchin
oh boy
cinder kiln
Wait first hear me out
molten urchin
lay it on me
grand orbit
Ohhh that's a good idea
cinder kiln
Only 1 return to each instead of 3 to amazon
grand orbit
7800x3d?
jolly inlet
Not throttling in p95 is for loosers anyway
I feel attacked
cinder kiln
He could yeah
molten urchin
ACTUALLY
molten urchin
CPU i'll return to microcenter since i bought it there
grand orbit
I'd take it (if in stock) over 7900
molten urchin
and i bought the board at amazon
grand orbit
Oh editing cpu, then 7900
grand orbit
I feel attacked
Dw mine hit's insta 97c in small ffts
cinder kiln
You can then happily run whatever gpu
And you're saving power too
65W vs 280W
Ok we got a game plan
grand orbit
Isn't it more like 95w?
grand orbit
Still less
molten urchin
Actaully its Editing, Gaming, and streaming and researching work stuff
jolly inlet
Dw mine hit's insta 97c in small ffts
I don't hit the thermal limit any more, not after undervolt + CO + 200 + 420mm + ratio
cinder kiln
Actaully its Editing, Gaming, and streaming and researching work stuff
Yeah I'd def do 7900
grand orbit
Pcpp says 65
Pcpp says a lot of things
cinder kiln
Gaming is only one of 4 things
molten urchin
Yeah I'd def do 7900
7900xtx?
cinder kiln
4070 Ti or 7900 XTX both are good
I'd lean more to 4070Ti if you do any work with blender
But otherwise 7900 xtx all the way
grand orbit
If cuda or something was needed they could even afford 4080 without new gpu and cheaper mobo/cpu
grand orbit
It is yeah
cinder kiln
Needs to be within like $50 of the XTX to make me say it's worth it
grand orbit
It can be depending on workload
grand orbit
Like if they do ML or something that nv slaps in 4080/70 ti are better choices/basically only chocie
Cuda dominates in ML
Felix did you hear that my gpu is too knew to use cuda with tensorflow 1 💀
cinder kiln
4070 Ti Super
cinder kiln
Felix did you hear that my gpu is too knew to use cuda with tensorflow 1 💀
I saw that yeah
grand orbit
Dumb ahhh
Like why can't 30 series support cuda 10
Why do they want to watch the world burn
molten urchin
@cinder kiln ok i think i have problem
i don't think i can't return the 13700k because i got rid of the receiprt
*receipt
cinder kiln
Did you pay online
molten urchin
BROO I bought in the 17th of march though
grand orbit
From Amazon?
cinder kiln
Nah micro center
molten urchin
From Amazon?
Micro center
grand orbit
Eh idk man this is a falcie question
jolly inlet
Ask MC, they usually have great customer support
cinder kiln
My brain dying
molten urchin
depends on the location
jolly inlet
Yeah if you're lucky they'll let you. Just don't give them a reason to deny it, be polite etc.
molten urchin
I mean i'll get store credit and get Ryzen and pay the difference
grand orbit
7900 should be cheaper anyway
cinder kiln
You could try the whole "I didn't realise this wouldn't work with my pc" bit
Which isn't exactly a lie
It won't work with your aio
💀
Aio needs a new mounting kit
grand orbit
Okay looks like 380 for 13700k vs 400 for 7900 so like 20$ diff not bad
cinder kiln
Ye not bad if you consider the cooler difference
But also the mobo difference of 100
molten urchin
Okay looks like 380 for 13700k vs 400 for 7900 so like 20$ diff not bad
well yeah
cinder kiln
Granted this mobo could also be swapped for a UD Z series
grand orbit
Is wifi needed?
jolly inlet
cinder kiln
He's already got the ddr5
molten urchin
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006230/amd-ryzen-9-7900x,-asus-b650e-f-rog-...
BROO I got the ram already!!
molten urchin
you saying and extra ram memory is useful then?
jolly inlet
BROO I got the ram already!!
It's effectively free in that bundle though
grand orbit
I'd probably do msi b650m-a pro wifi and 7900 together from MC for 180-20 for mobo and 400 for cpu
Actually yeah just get the ram and resell it
cinder kiln
you saying and extra ram memory is useful then?
For editing yeah, occasionally streaming if you're multitasking enough/certain games at high settings
grand orbit
Nicer board than one for same price anyway
jolly inlet
Resell the ram, cool $150
molten urchin
https://www.microcenter.com/product/5006230/amd-ryzen-9-7900x,-asus-b650e-f-rog-...
Bro it sold out where i'm at
grand orbit
Resell the ram, cool $150
More like 80$ now
molten urchin
For editing yeah, occasionally streaming if you're multitasking enough/certain g...
not a bad idea
jolly inlet
Does it have an expo profile?
molten urchin
i have ripjaw
cinder kiln
Still ok
jolly inlet
Don't filter dodge btw
cinder kiln
Expo is a little better but you can still run BZ easy timings
molten urchin
cinder kiln
Runs terribly well on like, every am5 board
jolly inlet
Yeah even without expo it's easy to tune
cinder kiln
Pretty much
jolly inlet
Just not a one click and done deal
cinder kiln
Better results too
jolly inlet
Yep
cinder kiln
Ok so two things now @molten urchin
molten urchin
ok
cinder kiln
#1 update the ssd with samsung magician when you set everything up
#2 update your bios immediately
To the very latest version of your motherboard
cinder kiln
Ima link you to a pin explaining why if you're interested but the TL/DR is, update bios, CPU won't die
molten urchin
since i'm gave me suggestion and i'll take the safe route
cinder kiln
#cpus-mobo-and-memory message <<< @molten urchin
molten urchin
Ima link you to a pin explaining why if you're interested but the TL/DR is, upda...
go for it
cinder kiln
There we go
There's also a huge 40 minute video explaining what's happening with more detail
From gamersnexus
molten urchin
is it on how to update the bios?
cinder kiln
No updating bios is a separate experience per motherboard
jolly inlet
That's a 5 minute process, really easy. Copy file to usb drive, boot to bios, update from file.
cinder kiln
Even between the same brand
And yeah it's a simple 5 minute job
Here's the vid on why updating is necessary
(Don't worry, if anything happens, you're 100% under warranty for the cpu dying)
molten urchin
aand that's what i'm afraid of
jolly inlet
Update and it won't be a problem
jolly inlet
0.1% more like
cinder kiln
Yeah, it's quite rare
jolly inlet
Gotta fail every part of the silicon lottery
molten urchin
OKAY looks like i'm gonna be Amd
hold up
@cinder kiln Is 7900X good for gaming?
Additionally, both the Ryzen 9 7900X and Ryzen 7 7700X are also slower in gaming performance compared to AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X3D by about 10-20 fps. If you are trying to save money on your next build, going with one of the new mid-range Ryzen processors like the 7700X or 7600X will be the way to go.
sorry i had to google it lol
oh
i put in the x
woops
jolly inlet
If you want to take gaming into account you can get the 7800X3D for the best gaming you can get right now
Or sacrifice a couple percent off that, spend a bit more, and get the 7900X3D
cinder kiln
<@101107951401455616> Is 7900X good for gaming?
Additionally, both the Ryzen 9 7...
Both are as good or better than 5800x3d
Especially with that ram
Also yeah 7800x3d, 7900x3d, 7950x3d are also options
All of which will run just fine with your pc
Aio factored in
All of those come in way below the power and thermal requirements of a 13600K or 13700K
jolly inlet
The 7800X3D would run on a stock cooler lol
molten urchin
what about on Liquid cooling on what i have?
jolly inlet
Just about any AIO could handle a 7950X3D I'm guessing, at least any that are more than 120mm
cinder kiln
Essentially that aio is overkill on any of the 4 am5 CPUs we're talking about
molten urchin
meaning i still need a new one?
jolly inlet
No it's just more than you would need
cinder kiln
It's more than enough by a long way
jolly inlet
Which is not a bad thing
cinder kiln
You'd see minor improvements changing to a newer/better aio, but you wouldn't see any performance improvements
jolly inlet
Nothing noticeable at least
cinder kiln
Zen 4 has been since day 1 excellent on efficiency
jolly inlet
Yeah it's insane looking at the 7950X vs the 13900k
Both get similar results in Blender, but the 13900k uses almost twice as much power
cinder kiln
13900K has it's own unique efficiency factor
Run it at 88W it's a fully fledged 12900K
Bin it and run it in a laptop and 200W gets you 90%+ of the performance of stock
7950X just does it better
(see: 7945hx)
molten urchin
i might as well get the 7900x i'm saving money
even though it runn really good just like 13700k but better
molten urchin
myby
cinder kiln
Don't get 7900x
molten urchin
cinder kiln
They're the same chip but one runs 65W
The other runs 200W+
Out of the box that is
cinder kiln
Ya pushing the aio by pushing the cpu power up
molten urchin
i have 1k PSU
cinder kiln
molten urchin
soo meaning i still need new AIO then?
cinder kiln
You could yeah
It could also run fine
But like
7900X and 7900 perform within single digits of each other
And they're literally the same chip
You can use PBO on a 7900 and it becomes literally the same CPU as the 7900X
Also, and this one's big
molten urchin
what pbo?
cinder kiln
One comes with a stock cooler (7900), one doesn't (7900X)
molten urchin
if i choose to Over clock
molten urchin
either way the 7900 is good still
cinder kiln
Ye
molten urchin
since you said teh X run the same?
molten urchin
Non Eco still 7900?
cinder kiln
7900x is the same but 10$ more and no stock cooler included
You're basically telling AMD to take your 10$ and cooler away
Free tip for service
💀
cinder kiln
It'd work for the 7900 at stock
"at stock"
💀
Free cooler tho is nice to have in case let's say
The H100i doesn't fit (it'll need the AM4 mount dug out from wherever you kept it)
Anyway I think ima log off, good luck mate
molten urchin
Anyway I think ima log off, good luck mate
Thanks
WAIT
Another thing
one more thing!
How am i gonna tell customer service since the 30 day return policy is over and i havn't even open it yet.
jolly inlet
Just tell them the truth. You bought it without realizing it wouldn't work with your cooler.
They usually have awesome customer support and should be able to just exchange it with store credit.
fair moon
It'd work for the 7900 at stock
By "work" do you mean running at base clocks and typically sounding like a jet engine when under load?
molten urchin
Just tell them the truth. You bought it without realizing it wouldn't work with ...
ok bet i'll call them tomorrow
grand orbit
By "work" do you mean running at base clocks and typically sounding like a jet e...
7800x3d is basically the same as aio clocks wise on stock cooler and it's more heat than 7900
fair moon
huh
fair moon
interesting
also (at least at launch) iirc you can tune the PBO on ryzen 7000 for some big temp drops
jolly inlet
Yeah you can still do that
fair moon
sweet
grand orbit
@molten urchin if you go ryzen 7000 though immediately update bios btw
jolly inlet
Yep he's been told
high radish
imagine getting kaboom cpu 
molten urchin
<@65957247116648448> if you go ryzen 7000 though immediately update bios btw
so from that do i gotta down the bios firmware from the AMD website or will it come with the Mobo and Cpu?
prime crow
so from that do i gotta down the bios firmware from the AMD website or will it c...
you update the bios from your motherboard manufacturer.
double check the board revision number too, sometimes theres various revisions. ie 1.0/1.1/1.2
grand orbit
Honestly don't see a reason in buying a 1tb 70$ ssd these days
fiery zephyr
Speeeeedddd
(it doesn't make a difference in windows💀)
molten urchin
Honestly don't see a reason in buying a 1tb 70$ ssd these days
Soo 2tb?
grand orbit
Soo 2tb?
Yeah or just an actually well priced 1tb like the ones that are $50 and under
molten urchin
also the Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F require adapter for 3.2-3.1 does that matter?
molten urchin
Yeah or just an actually well priced 1tb like the ones that are $50 and under
ah ok
grand orbit
also the Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F require adapter for 3.2-3.1 does that matter?
For usb by any chance?
molten urchin
A
Note: A USB 3.2 Gen 2 to USB 3.2 Gen 1 header adapter is required.
grand orbit
That's fine it just means you can get an adaptor or you can leave it unplugged and one of the case front panel headers won't work (probably the type c or something usb naming sucks)
molten urchin
Ok
@grand orbit i know you were listening yesterday about my situation
but i have a suggestion
If i keep my Motherboard, and get a new AIO, can is it abit better to exchange for an 13900k?
because what i do is Photoshop work, Gaming, and learning video editing barely but yeah.
if that's fine?
and still get that Asrock 7900xtx even though Asrock and intel doesn't go well?
grand orbit
If i keep my Motherboard, and get a new AIO, can is it abit better to exchange f...
I'm not sure how amd vs intel compare in Photoshop or editing tbh but a ryzen 9 7950 might still be better choice,
grand orbit
and still get that Asrock 7900xtx even though Asrock and intel doesn't go well?
This only applies to some asrock intel motherboards not them in general, as we said yesterday the card company doesn't matter for compatibility outside of sizing
molten urchin
This only applies to some asrock intel motherboards not them in general, as we s...
ah ok
molten urchin
I'm not sure how amd vs intel compare in Photoshop or editing tbh but a ryzen 9 ...
what if i do 7900x will that make any difference because i look at the benchmark
and will adding 64gb memory will make a difference?
i know you guys are helping me saving due to my budget
grand orbit
Well 7900 is basically the same cpu but cheaper and cooler so not much point in that case
64gb would be nice for editing ye
molten urchin
and also gaming too?
Soo compare the 7900x and the 13900k is more soo Quite better but the 7900x is quite a budget saving ya know?
If i go to Microcenter and explain them the whole story
i'm gonna comeback to this later
my head hurts lool
grand orbit
and also gaming too?
Nah 64gb wouldn't be useful for gaming
pulsar fable
Don't say that! Companies will find a way for games to eat 64gb ram
jolly inlet
They've tried already. We're past the point where 32GB is getting necessary for midrange.
empty basalt
molten urchin
Undeniably, the 13700K is a high-performance processor. Considering its $400 price tag, the chip certainly offers solid performance. Gamers looking to build a high-performance rig should definitely consider the 13700K over the Core i9 and Ryzen 9 offerings that are currently available on the market.
According to what I read
The stuff i be doing would help
I already got the cpu, I need the high-performance. Yess my budget matter but I some stuff I know and don't know help me. Soo I reach my verdict
I 🤔 think
jolly inlet
If you can get a higher tier CPU without having to get a lower tier GPU, then there's little reason not to upgrade
molten urchin
I mean there is in my opinion. And not really noticing that Amd is cheaper is good but due to the review I need that high tier to upgrade ya know it offer more stuff like the ryzen 9 lol
We have our own opinion.
jolly inlet
The 7800X3D beats the 13900K in gaming, and it's cheaper. That's the reason to go AMD.
molten urchin
Right but that's th 7800x3d but I need workstation build too
jolly inlet
Then the 7950X will match the 13900K in gaming, beat it in workstation tasks, and use less power.
molten urchin
Doesn't 7900x match with the 7950x?
jolly inlet
In gaming, it's very close but the 7950X wins by a hair
7950X has more cores so it obviously wins in workstation
molten urchin
Does having core matters?
mighty whale
For workstation, yes
jolly inlet
More cores means more work can be done at a time, as long as the program is able to use those extra cores
molten urchin
Why 13700k single core beats the 7950x
I need make a trip to microcenter on the weekend and see what they say about it lol.
Okay well I appreciate the help. But I reach my verdict and I'll deal with this issue.
mighty whale
Why 13700k single core beats the 7950x
It really just depends on your use case and the application
brisk sphinx
Then the 7950X will match the 13900K in gaming, beat it in workstation tasks, an...
There’s like a 10% difference in single core between 13900k and 7950x iirc, multi core is identical
jolly inlet
Why 13700k single core beats the 7950x
You can pick out single benchmarks that favor one or the other all day. What matters is what the program you're using specifically prefers.
molten urchin
You can pick out single benchmarks that favor one or the other all day. What mat...
Adobe photoshop the most.
For workstation
jolly inlet
Adobe photoshop the most.
Photoshop is primarily single threaded so a 13600k will get about the same performance as a 13900k
It only even uses 4 cores fully when you're doing blur effects
cloud hornet
Adobe photoshop the most.
As a typical Adobe hater who baselessly recommends other programs without knowing the needed requirements, I recommend Krita over PS.
cinder kiln
I'd still grab the 7900
It's the cheapest most effective upgrade
No cooler change involved as long as you have the am4 bracket the cooler came with years ago
Or otherwise the stock cooler is fine
molten urchin
I'm gonna get either 7900x or 7950x
torpid night
full send it
pulsar fable
xs70 sold out
molten urchin
Xs70?
brittle lagoon
The deal on the SSD sold out
grand orbit
Undeniably, the 13700K is a high-performance processor. Considering its $400 pri...
Sure it's the "same price" but when you need to buy a 130$ aio on top of that it becomes a hell of a lot less compelling (plus replacing motherboard would save you like 80$ give or take
grand orbit
Why 13700k single core beats the 7950x
They say at the top they are either putting it in a single core mode or it's a single core app - more likely the first as it looks like it's a benchmark
grand orbit
I'm gonna get either 7900x or 7950x
No reason to get the x btw just more expensive and hotter btw
marsh sphinx
you can get the xs70 2tb on amazon for $120...(where it's been that price for almost a month)
boreal monolith
What’s a good price to sell a used 3070ti? It’s an EVGA ftw3 tho
jolly inlet
What’s a good price to sell a used 3070ti? It’s an EVGA ftw3 tho
Ask for $450 and take an offer for $375-400. They've been selling as low as $350 on ebay.
boreal monolith
Its crazy how bad that card depreciated in value
I bought it for like 800 new...
jolly inlet
Happens every gen really, it's just more exaggerated now because they were selling for so far above msrp
jolly inlet
Remember when you could get a 2080 ti for $250 right before the 3070 came out and promised to beat it? lol
boreal monolith
yeahhh. And that was a lie
im getting rid of my 3070ti bc i bought a 7900xt. It works great
I got xfx variant and on sale for 800 instead of 900
jolly inlet
Nice deal
boreal monolith
Yeah and it came with copy of last of us. Running it now and I get around 100fps on all ultra settings at 1440p
Im happy
my 3070 woulda died trying to render that
tawdry dragon
I currently have a 3070 for the single reason of that I 3D render on blender, otherwise I'd have gotten a 6800+
boreal monolith
I currently have a 3070 for the single reason of that I 3D render on blender, ot...
yeah nvidia wins a majority of the time for those kinds of productivity workloads tbh
tawdry dragon
It's sad that a top-of-the-line gpu from amd isn't even as good as a 3080 in rendering
mighty whale
I mean, depends on the render
tawdry dragon
Blender rendering
grand orbit
It's sad that a top-of-the-line gpu from amd isn't even as good as a 3080 in ren...
Iirc rx 7000 absolutely obliterates nv in blender
tawdry dragon
For some reason the blender open data hasn't updated to include the newest amd GPUs
grand orbit
Believe it was @cinder kiln who was saying the xtx wrecks the 4090 in it, i could be remembering wrong application tho
tawdry dragon
Not sure where that info comes from, since it's wrong.
You're probably remembering a different program
grand orbit
You're probably remembering a different program
Oh no wait i think it was CAD actually
tawdry dragon
Alright
grand orbit
Yeah sorry 😅 they're fairly close so i must've got them mixed up
cinder kiln
Believe it was <@101107951401455616> who was saying the xtx wrecks the 4090 in i...
No in CAD. XTX dies in blender lol
Ah yeah it's right there lol
grand orbit
No in CAD. XTX dies in blender lol
Yeah i mixed them up because in my head they're very close function wise
cinder kiln
I-
Ok
Lol
My discord broken btw I can barely respond to pings rn
Turn it on and servers aren't popping up
prime crow
amd is going to take a while to become more refined in blender
prime crow
it wasnt long ago they even made it work really at all
prime crow
blender 4.0 might give it a better shake
depends how much help amd continues to give the blender team
cinder kiln
Blender is one of those very few holes in what AMD can do rn tbh
marsh sphinx
Anyone know of any good monitor deals?? Pls @ me
cinder kiln
In a perfect world XTX's dual encoder is just the brute force answer to NVENC and it works well lol
Albeit if you avoid h.264
prime crow
and considering that AMD has started to widely support professional workloads and support, in the next few cards I expect good things and wider support and performance
cinder kiln
Anyone know of any good monitor deals?? Pls @ me
Rn? G24F 2 @ 150$ for 1080p
1440p, X27Q, X32, G27Q if any of those are 220$ or less
4K, M28U, M32U, FV43U, up to the baller G9's and LG C2 on a big sale at like a grand or near that
cinder kiln
and considering that AMD has started to widely support professional workloads an...
W7900 genuinely interests me
Like I might even get one
Basically XTX geared up with more VRAM for workstation
I work a lot with CAD so, I find AMD to be quite nice with it
Benchmarks demonstrate a runaway performance with it over NV
prime crow
Im really hoping they get close to nvidia in blender
since thats the one its struggles with atm
light holly
My discord broken btw I can barely respond to pings rn
ping 
cinder kiln
@marsh sphinx what gpu
Cos this monitor is both better and cheaper
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B5VY6ZFC?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
But if it's too weak for your gpu I'd consider 1440p
marsh sphinx
<@456226577798135808> what gpu
3050
Is 24in too small for dual monitor? @cinder kiln
marsh sphinx
not at all 
cinder kiln
24inch is perfectly fine
cinder kiln
Though I hope this isn't a brand new 3050
marsh sphinx
1 24inch and 1 23.8 inch
How is it for gaming? I used to have a 3080ti and I had a 35 in ultrawide so I’m just worried it’s not gonna feel big enough
I’m feeling like 27inch for dual monitor will be the sweet spot
for competive games I feel like 27inch is way too big
imo
marsh sphinx
How is it for gaming? I used to have a 3080ti and I had a 35 in ultrawide so I’m...
what u did to it
marsh sphinx
for competive games I feel like 27inch is way too big
for cinematics, 24inch is also alright
also, I'm assuming you have a support for the monitor
the arm type of support
marsh sphinx
what u did to it <a:waitinforthegirlslike:966844800059969646>
I went on deployment for 8 months
marsh sphinx
I went on deployment for 8 months
sorry
How’s that look no you’re fine 😭
hmmm honestly I wouldn't go for VA panels
cinder kiln
How is it for gaming? I used to have a 3080ti and I had a 35 in ultrawide so I’m...
1080p 60fps experience at best
azure pond
Also yeah, 3050 is pretty meh. The 6600 normally costs less and beats it
The 6650xt is normally around $260-280 and beats it by far
marsh sphinx
3050 is just temporary. It came with a banging system for 900 off for 500
azure pond
Ah alright that's not bad, as long as the cpu is decent and psu is either upgradable or high enough wattage for a good upgrade
If you're going to be replacing gpu soon, if you have any monitor at all I'd wait it out and buy a 1440p monitor when you upgrade
Or depending how long you plan to wait, possibly buy a 1440p monitor now and suffer the lower fps for a bit
marsh sphinx
Or depending how long you plan to wait, possibly buy a 1440p monitor now and suf...
you can also buy a 1440p
azure pond
I just said that
azure pond
True, but downscaling normally looks much worse than a native 1080p monitor
marsh sphinx
well, this is a god awful deal innit?
azure pond
Quite
cinder kiln
Best way to find a white gpu - sort by cheapest, search each tier until you find a near msrp white
Pcpp is ur friend
azure pond
Or grab a black gpu and a can of spray paint
marsh sphinx
and I can't filter by color
marsh sphinx
Or grab a black gpu and a can of spray paint
out of my reach
marsh sphinx
Hey so am I
damn u free?
azure pond
out of my reach
Was a joke
marsh sphinx
marsh sphinx
Was a joke
nah, but fr, I'm awful at visual arts
cinder kiln
I mean, me too, but painting a single piece white isn't too difficult
marsh sphinx
You can disassemble a gpu so it's just the the bit you paint
yeah, I know that, but when I buy it I won't have this gpu
(I'm like upgrading the pc while selling this pc parts)
marsh sphinx
Paint can sit for years
but it will need to dry right?
marsh sphinx
is there any service out that that do that for you
cinder kiln
But it's not rocket science, just spray - dry - spray - dry
marsh sphinx
marsh sphinx
3 main reasons:
cinder kiln
Spray paint is made to be easy
marsh sphinx
1 -> I'm lazy
2 -> I'm afraid I'll fk it up
3 -> I feel nauseous around fresh paint
lemme check if I can ask a friend to do it for me
cinder kiln
I mean ok
Cos if you can one way or another do it you could save hundreds
The gpu being white is a hard compromise on good pricing
Most other things there's a white option at every price level
cinder kiln
Just get the cheapest models that aren't a ventus 20/30 series
Anything that is like, sub 200W is fine on a dual fan cooler
Won't even be loud
azure pond
If you're getting a 3060 ti anything but ventus 2x shouldn't really be loud or overheat
marsh sphinx
this overheats like crazy
cinder kiln
That's cos it's a zotac 20 series
azure pond
Considering my triple fan 3060 ti doesn't go over like 60c gaming, im sure an asus dual wouldn't be exceeding 75c or so
cinder kiln
Another unique exception
marsh sphinx
I tried to OC like 10 mhz
azure pond
Didn't they have some 3080s and 3090s they shipped without thermal pads?
cinder kiln
Yes, gigabyte too
marsh sphinx
cinder kiln
azure pond
My gigabyte 3060 ti going strong
cinder kiln
Much like how razer support believed updating your firmware would fix a broken keycap
People are dummies
azure pond
Now that I have more free time I plan to oc my 13600k and Rev E, hoping to finally hit top 100 for 3060 tis on timespy with a valid entry
cinder kiln
Not like there is good intention but there's always poor choices in life
marsh sphinx
Much like how razer support believed updating your firmware would fix a broken k...
nah but that was crazy tho
cinder kiln
Now that I have more free time I plan to oc my 13600k and Rev E, hoping to final...
I really wanna try 3060 Ti
azure pond
Last I tried I was about to do +195 core 10/10 times, +210 like 1/5
And +1050 on vram consistently, most I've gotten to go through was 1100
Not sure what the actual clocks were though
cinder kiln
ofc the only white 3070 is zotac
Twin edge is good
I've heard only good things
They also look, really clean in compact cases
And yes that probably would be the cheaper white option
You could also look at 6800's
Fair bit better value
azure pond
Check pricing on that one white 6700xt, is it hellhound?
cinder kiln
Could be yeah
Hellhounds have limited white models
6700XT is an amazing little card
cinder kiln
Nitro is black/white
azure pond
6750xt/6800?
azure pond
I know what you mean, it's obnoxious asf
cinder kiln
Fat fingers
marsh sphinx
these are all that exist in the site
cinder kiln
Jeez that hellhound is a good price
marsh sphinx
yeah, welcome to portugal
marsh sphinx
you have little to no available options
marsh sphinx
yeah, bcs only like 3 or 4 people in entire portugal buy amd gpus here
cinder kiln
That's great, buy amd then
marsh sphinx
so they are really cheap but no actual options
cinder kiln
All three of those are fine
AMD has fairly strict standards for board design
So cheap ≠ worse
azure pond
Except for mech 2x
cinder kiln
Mech is basically ventus tho
azure pond
Ye
cinder kiln
Nooo the hellhound 6800 is like 20% better for 70 euros less
I've also seen speedsters painted, they have a silver trim that proves a pain
marsh sphinx
only problem is that bros don't have a single in stock
cinder kiln
Reminds me of that one pink one that floats around a few servers, you can see the bleed over from the paint job
marsh sphinx
which tbf is not a problem rn, since I'm only buying the gpu by september
(bcs uni)
azure pond
By then you might be looking at low 40 series or 7000 series..
cinder kiln
Yeah no point looking now
marsh sphinx
actually I'm talking bullcrap
cinder kiln
It'll be all different in 5 months
marsh sphinx
in 2/3months
cinder kiln
Even 2 months it'll be different
azure pond
September is 3/4 months away
marsh sphinx
forgot we get the college things
marsh sphinx
by the end of july
molten urchin
Soo I took bullet and get and realize the ram was for free but I gotta channel the same adjustment as the other ram.i got online.
Now it's the new Aio and GPU
I need to find out for good deal.on 4080 or the 7900xtx
grand orbit
@marsh sphinx the one above is b die and pretty bad that 16gb is 50$ even let alone 100
marsh sphinx
lulz...it's one of the most coveted cl14 kits made...
brittle lagoon
3600c14 is good b die but it's far from the best b die
But when 3200c14 is half the price, might as well tune that and get 90% of the way to what you would've done with 3600c14
brisk sphinx
I’m almost positive a coveted B-die kit will not have RGB on it
brittle lagoon
light holly
Is that sonic board any good for cpu/ram oc?
jolly inlet
Memory is only rated up to 7200 so it'll probably do a little higher than that, but the VRM looks good for the CPU.
It's more of a statement piece or centerpiece of a build but it's functional
turbid locust
light holly
@cinder kiln looks so ugly haha
cinder kiln
Meh
You'll only see the top of them
I don't think they look that bad tho
Like I'm a big fan of ripjaws s5 and kingston furys
Not renegades tho
light holly
You'll only see the top of them
A lot blacker than on the box. Not bad then
cinder kiln
Nicee
grand orbit
Sadge why no every company do gskill style code :(
jolly inlet
The 042/043 codes aren't perfect but they are better than nothing
tiny heron
EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SC GAMING
$129.99 on EVGA Bstock
cinder kiln
That's a great buy
Dang
I'd say sub entry level but more than capable for the right person
If 6600's drop to 180 we'd have 500$ gaming builds on our hands
marsh sphinx
you can get them for ~$150 used, but that's used ofc
fiery zephyr
EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SC GAMING
$129.99 on EVGA Bstock
and to say I bought a used 1070ti for 100 bruhhh
kind rover
fathom nebula
jolly inlet
PCPartPicker is just a scrape bot. It doesn't know what a good seller is.
cloud hornet
Sometimes it doesn't even do that correctly
tbf half the time that's Amazon's fault for being hecky with what stores one is allowed to view.
grave delta
Surprising that was the top result. Surely having tons of people buy those costs Amazon a ton of returns and loss of trust in Amazon.
gusty river
I was looking at Arctic Freezer II’s the other day on Amazon and for some reason the 280mm kept saying it’s $160 or something from a shady seller but then if you changed the seller to Arctic it was only like $120. Not sure why it kept defaulting to the higher price shady seller
stoic crest
Amazon moment
That price on a good bin
Sheesh
Even in Thailand, that much cash gets me a brand new car
Or a nice used car
stoic crest
In all seriousness, it's insanity
Cmon it's just a cpu that can do numbers better than others
Then again someone insane enough will be willing to buy it
brittle lagoon
It's probably not even the best bin
The score isn't always accurate for actual oc performance
stoic crest
I don't really care too much, so I wouldn't know
Ya, it can probably be a margin of error of benches
keen gust
In all seriousness, it's insanity
no, its definitely a bug
bios should be saying what voltage it'll run in the predictions
and they're also at 67c in bios, but under 20c in game, so also on a chiller if they're really in hawaii
stoic crest
I meant insanity as in the price tag
pallid geyser
- $12.99 shipping on $20000 cpu kek
swift forge
Bro for 20k u could prob buy so many 13900ks and bin a better one
how good was the silicon for that cpu to even cost 20k
stoic crest
or have a 13900ks pc along with a car
fiery zephyr
or have a 13900ks pc along with a car
Fr
stoic crest
you'd have a lot of money left after that still
fiery zephyr
Bro my moms 2006 town and country limited was 5k 😭
swift forge
U could open up a chick fil a franchise and still have like 5k left over
olive lance
Wtf
molten urchin
Soo I took bullet and get and realize the ram was for free but I gotta channel t...
@cinder kiln Yooo i got what you told me to
now all i need is a new AIO and GPU
fringe olive
Would the senheisser game zero headset for 50 usd be a nice headset for the price?
quasi pasture
Loot acquired for $150
jolly inlet
Dang what a steal (if it works)
brisk sphinx
$150 is a complete steal
quasi pasture
I was talking to the guy about the card, he sold it as parts but Im almost sure it'll be an easy fix
brisk sphinx
I sold my 2080 super like a month ago for $285
light holly
I was talking to the guy about the card, he sold it as parts but Im almost sure ...
What did he say was happening with it?
quasi pasture
at first it would crash in most games, but he could still play valorant with it for about a week, then one day it stopped POSTing
no physical damage to the card, gpu and mem get power according to him
i dont think he messed with reinstalling drivers lol
might try reflashing the card too
i have yet to put it in my own testbench though
forest prairie
Just going on a walk with my new GPU
jolly inlet
Aww, what's it's name?
"Doomslayer."
quasi pasture
light holly
i have yet to put it in my own testbench though
forest prairie
quasi pasture
@keen gust yours*
keen gust
tru
molten urchin
just wait till amd's gpus hit
I'm waiting till this week Thursday
stoic crest
i mean 6000 has dropped enough in price for lower 7000 series to likely be a meh deal
like 6950xt is 3090ti perf
prime crow
I mean in terms of pricing
the old stock will drop in pricing a bit more to clear the stock
molten urchin
i see
prime crow
depends on how fast they roll out
stoic crest
even now i'd still consider 6950xt to be as cheap as it can be now
jolly inlet
They must know that old stock of 6000 is drying up enough to warrant launching new cards. That's my guess.
Reasonably priced 6700 XT cards are getting a little more scarce, and are pretty hard to find outside the US last I heard from the Aussies
stoic crest
ye
grand orbit
these GPU deals
The xtx's in that list aren't deals you can get cheaper xtx's not on sale
molten urchin
The xtx's in that list aren't deals you can get cheaper xtx's not on sale
I kinda want the Top notch ones to be honest.
grand orbit
The asrock one that's under msrp is a top notch card, they're all great you won't notice a difference
fair moon
$510 for a 6800xt has me a little tempted
fiery zephyr
$510 for a 6800xt has me a little tempted
Spend the extra 100 on 6950xt
cinder kiln
Both gud value
gusty willow
Spend the extra 100 on 6950xt<:smart:717978897911906344>
or just wait and snag one for like 40 dollars more been a few times they went on sale around 540-550
grand orbit
That's never happened afaik they've hit only lows of 600
tawdry dragon
I've seen them go pretty low, I also remember the times when a 6800xt was in the low 400's
fiery zephyr
No 🗿
fair moon
I've seen them go pretty low, I also remember the times when a 6800xt was in the...
Used maybe.
cinder kiln
Lowest 6950XT I've seen was the PG for like 580
molten urchin
I'm tempting for 4080 due to DlSS
cloud hornet
Even assuming DLSS3 replaced all DLSS2 games, the 4080 price hike over the 7900xtx isnt really worth DLSS IMO.
lavish blade
anyone in college for computer science?
jolly inlet
There are games and use cases where the 4080 makes sense. Frame gen on DLSS 3.0 is most effective when the frame rate is already high enough for you to not notice the AI frames. If it's running at 40 fps before and 55 after turning it on it'll look worse than off.
I was a decade ago lol
stoic crest
I find 4070 to be a little good gpu, but wrong pricing
Watch how it backfired on Nvidia that they had to stop production
jolly inlet
That's kinda been the case for all the 40 series cards. We've gone from a period of unprecedented demand to a period of almost no demand basically overnight.
cloud hornet
I find 4070 to be a little good gpu, but wrong pricing
I mean what it suppose to be XX60 tier is usually not bad.
stoic crest
That's the same price as 3060ti
I mean there's stuff floating about in possibility of $400 4060ti
jolly inlet
You can still barely find 3060 ti cards at that price, and it's 2 years later
stoic crest
It probably won't be a lot faster, but if it is indeed $400 I won't complain
Sure it's gonna have 8 gigs of vram as usual, lame stuff
cloud hornet
If 4060ti is $400 then I won't be mad
Oh boy, $400 3070 perf (based on Ada spec to perf curve). Not really that impressive tbf.
stoic crest
I know, but we can't ask much outta the Nvidia marketing team being greedy
jolly inlet
Seems we're really hitting that Moore's Law wall. Tech isn't getting cheaper for the same perf any more.
stoic crest
I have no qualms with 4070 and 4070ti on that matter, but boy do I really have a problem with the pricing of those gpus
cloud hornet
Seems we're really hitting that Moore's Law wall. Tech isn't getting cheaper for...
Afaik Ada dies arent really that much more expensive then Ampere cuz higher yields. Im pretty sure we still got some ways before that. Actual problem is the usual stuff, greed.
jolly inlet
Are the yields actually better? Monolithic die yields have been really bad for a while
cloud hornet
Yeah, but apparently Samsung was pretty bad compared to TSMC.
jolly inlet
Well at least Nvidia's greed lets AMD slot their prices in wherever they want and still make huge margins
jolly inlet
You can still barely find 3060 ti cards at that price, and it's 2 years later
It only took until now for a couple models to drop below msrp
cloud hornet
It only took until now for a couple models to drop below msrp
Yoyoyo. GPUs below MSRP!!! What a fine steal there.
stoic crest
tbf 40 series cards have been easily found at msrp these days
Only took a few months
jolly inlet
Only because the msrp is severely inflated to start with
cloud hornet
Only took a few months
tbf Ada didnt really have any understocking issues apart from 4090. Prices are just too damn good for people to pick them up, they want higher prices to donate more of their soul to Nvidia.
jolly inlet
Yoyoyo. GPUs below MSRP!!! What a fine steal there.
Too bad that's still more expensive than a 6750 XT
stoic crest
I mean people will buy 4070 white with nzxt aios anyway
And nzxt cases, the glass ones
Instead of gunning for 6950xt for maximum nyoom per buck
jolly inlet
It took nzxt long enough to offer the H510 flow, they were forcing you to use the Elite for way too long on their bld tool
stoic crest
Especially with that kraken elite being out
cloud hornet
Too bad that's still more expensive than a 6750 XT
AMD Sucks ||/s||
AMD: Atrocious Mediocre Devices
stoic crest
The screen that can play gifs and stuff
Also you can use h5 flow on their newest bld series
Called BLD Player
About time lmao
jolly inlet
I should really start a SI company
Or maybe I'll join one of those that started after the collapse of others that shall not be named
stoic crest
And still get trashed anyway, cuz people hates prebuilts
I mean the hate is applicable to most SI's around
But people always assume prebuilt means overpriced crap
jolly inlet
The issue is there's 2 extremes and very little middle ground. It's either too expensive for what you get or you get garbage parts that I wouldn't put in my worst enemy's computer.
jolly inlet
ABS was a mixed bag tbh, it depended on who specifically built it
As in the tech they hired
At least it was better than most overall
stoic crest
Better than paying inflated gpu prices back then
jolly inlet
Yeah. I'm sure they were using open box parts to offer those lower prices but tbh that's fine.
stoic crest
Can always rma
Even though Newegg isn't always reliable on that
Again that goes for any companies
Sometimes you have to yell at em to get an rma
molten urchin
There are games and use cases where the 4080 makes sense. Frame gen on DLSS 3.0 ...
Which is why I need latency and the dlss but the Radeon don't do that.
grand orbit
Which is why I need latency and the dlss but the Radeon don't do that.
dlss 3.0 (frame gen) increases latency also amd has fsr
Fsr 1.0 is pretty meh but 2.0 and above are good
jolly inlet
Yeah if you need low latency adding artificial frames isn't the way to do that. The AI frame is a guess about what a frame would look like based on the previous 2 frames. It's not adding any new data.
cinder kiln
reflex isn't something worth losing sleep over
you can get just as significant of a boost by picking the right mouse and keyboard
or even monitor for example
it's diminishing returns to an extreme after a certain point
especially in high fps scenarios
molten urchin
Hmm well idk then
cinder kiln
cos the frametime latency is already extremely low and your peripherals are already pretty quick
I mean, is it a tenable benefit? yes
molten urchin
My first choice was thr 7900xtx but I realized no dlss on it so idk
cinder kiln
Is it worth spending $100 for? no
cinder kiln
An XTX will run high fps on whatever you want on anything sub 4K so latency truly won't matter
AMD also has a reflex-ish answer themselves but I wouldn't write it off as good like reflex
molten urchin
I have a 1080p monitor :/
cinder kiln
ya well definitely for 1080p reflex is near pointless
you can get similar gains out of a better monitor
molten urchin
What if I'm a competitive kinda of guy?
cinder kiln
like I said
it's a benefit, but not worth more than $100
If you had some crazy fps monitor the benefit drops dramatically to basically nothing
and when you consider human reactions/sensitivity fall anywhere between the 60-200ms range it's really not something game changing imo
jolly inlet
All upscaling tech adds a little bit of latency, it's not worth using in competitive games
cinder kiln
you can notice subtleties below that? but again it's not something I'd fork out for
that and yeah DLSS is just a penalty
Reflex on it's own carries a gain tho
jolly inlet
That's debatable. I've seen it argued that reflex only reduces the already inflated driver latency. Nvidia drivers are really bloated, which you can see in some cases where the XTX beats the 4090.
cinder kiln
I've never read too far into reflex
and that's true yeah, lower overhead on Radeon especially if we talked 1080p
tho really 1080p Apex should run on a toaster let alone a 7900 XTX
molten urchin
Which is why I'm gonna invest on a new monitor 1440p xD 156hz the Asus tuf.
pallid geyser
156
molten urchin
156 <:pepehmmm:903335097305034783>
Ok 160hz. Bro I don't want 240hz ok. :/
glacial narwhal
156 
molten urchin
lofty moss
156❓
azure pond
Ok 160hz. Bro I don't want 240hz ok. :/
He meant that 156hz doesn't exist (stock anyways, might be able to set that custom)
144 and 165 are
molten urchin
144 and 165 are
that's what i mean 165hz myb
Okay now what about the GPU? because for monitor i have Aoc "24 inch"" Frameless
but that was whiles back
Games i'll be doing is Fps, fighter and other Variety and i'll be doing workstation like photoshop editing and maybe video.
molten urchin
molten urchin
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/nMPQzy/xfx-rx-79tmbabf9-radeon-rx-7900-xt-20-gb...
What about the 7900xtx?
azure pond
Just get cheapest model
molten urchin
Hmm ok
dry flume
wouldn't an xtx be kinda overkill still for 2k competitive?
azure pond
Meh
Depends on the person
If they're REALLY competitive, I'd say no
If someone is just seeking high fps but want 27-32in, or just can see a huge difference between 1080p and 1440p, id say it's fine
If someone's playing casually and for fun, 7900xt/4070 ti plenty
jolly inlet
There's a reason real esports players all have 4090s playing at 1080p low/medium
silent rampart
There's a reason real esports players all have 4090s playing at 1080p low/medium
and 4:3 stretched for cs:go
lmao
even though it is objectively worse
azure pond
All my homies run 7800x3d with a 4090 at 720p 690hz
jolly inlet
Not in csgo though, 13900ks for that
dry flume
All my homies run 7800x3d with a 4090 at 720p 690hz
lol, I wonder if someone is actually able to notice the difference between 240hz and 400hz+
I personally can't even see the difference between 144hz and 240hz with my untrained eye
trim pier
i had an imac from 2015 at 21.5 inches with hz of idfk
probably like 60
when i swapped to a 165hz, 1080p 27’ everything was amazing
i kinda wanted to get that 200$ acer 1440p but i already blew 1/3 of my paycheck on mother’s day 💀
trim pier
I personally can't even see the difference between 144hz and 240hz with my untra...
isn’t there like videos of split screens of the hz
stoic crest
that doesn't work well if you don't have high hz display
besides videos on youtube only goes up to 60 fps
so you couldn't even tell the difference going above 60 in a video
since well, the video is at 60
jolly inlet
lol, I wonder if someone is actually able to notice the difference between 240hz...
Some people can but it's a very small percent
stoic crest
^
dry flume
when i swapped to a 165hz, 1080p 27’ everything was amazing
yeah, but the jump between 60hz and 165hz is very noticeable, it also happened to me when I switched from my laptop to my desktop pc
trim pier
tbh i kinda want to see what 240hz looks like
dry flume
144hz should be standard even for office work, scrolling pages and switching betweeen apps in a 60hz monitor is lame once you try 144hz
stoic crest
eh tbh not really
trim pier
also i just realized aren’t most tv’s a scam considering they mention 4k with like a 1440p screen
cloud hornet
Some people can but it's a very small percent
Doesnt help that there arent really any good monitors above 240Hz. The good 360Hz IPSes/TN panels barely beats modern 165Hz OLED in input latency lol. The bad 360Hz IPSes/TN panels dont beat "normal" 240Hz/280Hz displays too iirc.
trim pier
144hz should be standard even for office work, scrolling pages and switching bet...
my dads work monitor is 75hz and he complains about it
stoic crest
144 is still an extra expense
trim pier
like he’s mentioned that he helped a guy install a 27 inch monitor and thought it looked nice running on a dell tower 😭
elder ingot
4:3 1280:960 stretched best res :3
stoic crest
my salad rig is running on 1440x900 75hz dell monitor
doesn't even have hdmi
only vga and dvi-d
jolly inlet
I've only got a DMS-59 port on one of my machines
It has to be the worst thing ever conceived
molten urchin
Is having an OC Gpu good?
grand orbit
Doesn't matter, all it means is it has a factory overclock which is tiny, you could do better in literally 20 seconds
azure pond
4070 tis are consistently $800
cinder kiln
sometimes less now
molten urchin
Okay well 4070ti it is since these 4080 prices is a noo
Theses 4080s doesn't worth $1100+ dollars to be honest
azure pond
7900xtx is 4080 perf for 1k
fiery zephyr
But but but amd baddd
grand orbit
And if you really cared about RT the eagle is 1120 atm
molten urchin
Eehh only the performance
cinder kiln
Ooo not too bad
Or maybe 7900xt for the same price
(A fair bit faster now than 4070ti these days)
molten urchin
(A fair bit faster now than 4070ti these days)
Right but I need the dlss ya know but boost clock is 2615 and the Asus is 2716
olive lance
Until 4070ti is under 750 i wouldnt say its good
molten urchin
molten urchin
Until 4070ti is under 750 i wouldnt say its good
I mean if I waited alittle long like around if summer sales going on then maybe
jolly inlet
Asus gets destroyed by GN and dropped as a sponsor by J2C. They ghosted both channels, not even defending themselves. Asus' response? Discounts! I'm totally buying an Asus mobo after all the mobo drama, that sounds like a great idea!
prime crow
Yeaaaa. I was thinking the same thing but didnt wanna say it
grand orbit
The only asus board I'd still recommend is their 100$ a520m with wifi at this stage, I've been skeptical about asus for a while tho
cloud hornet
Just hate all companies tbf. They all hate you back so why not hate them all too?
jolly inlet
Yeah that's fair. But some deserve more hate than others. In this particular case, Asus having the bios version required to keep their board from a murder/suicide with your CPU in a beta update that's marked as "will void your warranty"... scum scum scum. Oh and the bios apparently doesn't even fix the issue, you still get vsoc at 1.35v.
prime crow
who doesnt love double down F the customer
void your warranty and still melt the CPU. Great plan asus
light holly
Yeah that's fair. But some deserve more hate than others. In this particular cas...
This is only with AMD right?... right???? nervously looks at strix z790-a sitting next to me
jolly inlet
The self destructive motherboards, yes. The beta bios voiding warranty, that's universal.
stoic crest
I still find beta bios voiding warranty to be scummy
It's like saying your computer's warranty expired because you chose to install linux on it
It makes zero sense
jolly inlet
It's like AMD saying your CPU warranty is void because you used XMP or PBO... oh wait
The only difference there is AMD can't prove you did that. Asus can by checking the bios version when you rma.
quasi radish
The only difference there is AMD can't prove you did that. Asus can by checking ...
“you recommended this bios so my CPU won’t burn up, what’s overclocking?”
mighty whale
The bios is in beta so there’s no warranty duh!!!
molten urchin
Yoo what was that think again you show me about updating the AMD Bios?
hardy grove
7900xtx is 4080 perf for 1k
its been amazing choice for me so glad i went 7900xtx
mighty whale
@light bay thanks! Needed those so just got ‘em lol
light holly
Is $375 a good price for a brand new 12900ks?
stoic crest
i would say yes
stoic crest
for the funny ocing tho it is not too bad
jolly inlet
If you're considering a KS then cheaper isn't on the radar
stoic crest
yep lol
high radish
I copped this couse I love those mobos lol
azure pond
If you're considering a KS then cheaper isn't on the radar
I think in this case it is since it's on sale, I imagine someone considering a KS because it's a KS would be going for a 13900ks now
13700kf is only $6 more than that 12900ks
high radish
I copped this couse I love those mobos lol
Lastgen stuff but still pretty alright price 
quasi radish
Lastgen stuff but still pretty alright price <:hmm:885706594564841503>
That’s a terrible price
azure pond
^
high radish
That’s a *terrible* price
So offer me something better for same price
13600k - low range z790 I guess
quasi radish
13700K with mid range Z790?
high radish
400+ 300$ + 100$ ram = 800$
stoic crest
don't need go be exact board
once you get a decent but not expensive z790, it won't be 800
high radish
once you get a decent but not expensive z790, it won't be 800
mid range z790s are more like 300ish so
Maybe 250$
Still does 750$
I know it's not a great deal but similar price performance as newer gen but some fancy stuff
brisk sphinx
So offer me something better for same price
You got a microcenter by you?
high radish
No
brisk sphinx
Rip
high radish
Microcenter sux 
brisk sphinx
They got a 13700k/mobo/ram bundle for $550
high radish
I know MC have better combos but I don't feel like I driving my ass to MC
brisk sphinx
fiery zephyr
Microcenter sux <:PepeBean:885531014565339146> <:FedoraTip:885531005535002684>
Ur just mad you don't live by one
That too
Like me
brisk sphinx
I probably should also take that advice
fiery zephyr
Only a few things are new in my build
brisk sphinx
^
fiery zephyr
Me or him cause I'd say both
brisk sphinx
Especially when I found the three of those parts for $615
high radish
After gas price + sales tax microcenter comes same as other retailers
high radish
Same price , little bit slower cpu , low range z790
I think I'm still happy with my buy
brisk sphinx
Isn’t the 13600k faster than a 12900k??
