#linux-and-android
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What does linux even look like
I hate you you’re the worst
L
L :))
I'm sorry, you an above average Linux enjoyer?
Some have said that
man, I won't judge, but linux bad
How long did you try Linux for?
Oho- you did not specify. Yea, I totally agree, windows is the OS for gaming. However, Linux support is getting better cause of steam deck.
Also, gaming is not the only reason computers exist 😊
Good point
Okay now I can see you using linux, sorry for that
Did you think I wasn’t a Linux user lol
No I was only looking at it from a gamer's outlook
Ah ok
That’s understandable
But performance wise, linux is faster and performs better on my pc (and all the others I’ve tried)
The ironic part is that all those eyes and it doesn't spy on you
Reason: Bad word usage
Chrome book OS is the worst
if u dont know this u have no basis to make ur previous statement
if u use the internet you are too lol
almost all servers are hosted on linux
since its plain better
And free in most cases, unlike M$ that makes you pay $1000 per year per cpu core
100+$ for windows home, not even the best they can offer
i love windows so much, ima pay 1k usd
For windows pro max ultra?
pro ultra max plus 5g
basically windows home but u get access to mobile hotspot
Yeah! But it can even run on your normal desktop pc because it has software 5g
Better yet, satellite so you can go anywhere and have Internet
Perfect. But to maintain backward compatibility with literally everything it’s FSatellite (firmware satellite) so it can run on my ancient machine from 2020
And won’t require new hardware
Pay
Install Linux
You used the wrong Linux then
PopOS is good for beginners and even includes most of what you need for gaming
Yeah
That's pop
They even have different versions of the installer for Nvidia or "other" GPU too, so most common problems are solved immediately
Give pop a try, yeh
It sounds childish. I’ll admit it.
My friends use it though. Two of them.
It has amazing support for keyboard shortcuts, virtual desktops, and productivity
And keep in mind. If the distro is childish or janky because of how it looks, you can always download a new desktop environment. And it will look however that desktop environment looks.
I am not a programmer lol
Driver support for Linux is pretty decent, depends on what you want tho
Is it a Wacom tablet?
@brave isle
Because I know a lot of distros have Wacom drawing tablet support
Actually I think it’s Ubuntu that has good support for Wacom tablets
I don’t have one, I have no experience
For for instance, right now I’m booted up into a live usb of elementary OS. And there’s a Wacom thingy in settings
Definitely if you want a distro that’s like macOS, go with elementaryOS
It’s smooth
It’s worth a try! You can likely try a live install first to make sure the tablet works with your chosen distro
@true void o mighty desktop environment master of all keeper of the sacred, have you tried the Pantheon desktop from elementaryOS?
no:(( but i will
@true void have you ever tried dependancies for desktops environments to see if they clash in a VM?
no ive only ever really used gnome in vms, but ive had like 12 wms and des installed at a time once and didnt notice any probl2ms
What are people actually talking about when they say "KDE HiDPI is bad"? I know HiDPI means "lots of pixels per inch", but that's such a huge umbrella term.
A quick google suggests that "HiDPI" is referring to scaling of the desktop in situations with hi-resolution monitors, e.g., 4K.
Using KDE on Fedora 35, I have "Global Scaling" set at 150% on a 4K monitor. I think Windows can do this same basic thing.
Yeah. Basically it makes each icon, or anything, be bigger and take up more pixels.
So if a font or a widget is supposed to take up a certain amount of pixels, but the pixels are closer together, it’ll look smaller
I think
pog
Epic.
Steam.
Are you tryna install steam?
Are you tryna

You said... https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/
So, I said... https://store.steampowered.com/
ig this applies to linux, since linux is the base of android, but if anyone has the time and knowledge to help me with my Galaxy S7, i'd like to have some help putting a custom OS on it. ive been wanting to do it for quite a while now but every attempt has been a fail. (i mean help like helping from the start and such to the end) ive researched it some, and i still get confused. if anyone wants to try and help, feel free to message me.
bootloader unlocked?

I don’t know why people hate on electron so much. I know it takes too much ram, but its so much better than nothing. Also, making any website into apps with nativefier is extremely helpful
nope, and it's Verizon so idk how i would unlock it
all sources iv read on it says it's not unlockable
cant be unlocked
i think
wait what os is it running rn?
android 8, with the latest update
is there a way to downgrade, or would that need the bootloader unlocked
if its even possible I have a verizon S4 and AT&T S4, both running 5.0.1
kinda doubt it for the Verizon one but i haven't looked up the at&t one much
Verizon tries to lock their phones down as much as they can.
It's complicated but you can try to follow this guide. Try the last update that has Android 7, which is the most likely to work with your locked bootloader.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/guide-how-to-downgrade-from-android-oreo-8-0-to-7-0-non-rooted.3821495/
The main issue is that the locked bootloader can only be upgraded, and not downgraded. So you need a version that has the same updated bootloader.
how would I do that ?
find a 7.0 with the same bootloader?
I think I understand it
I'll do it when I'm out of school
Yes. Some of the later versions of 7.0 had the same v2 bootloader. Not sure about your specific model.
Model as in the number? It's a G930V
@fallow belfry- do i need to put the home_csc in the userdata spot? or do i leave it blank
oh shoot
the S7 is saying
sw rev check fail : [aboot] Fused 11 > Binary 4
[1] eMMC write fail : aboot
does that mean the binary is too updated, or should i try another 7.0 version
it failed at xbl.elf
i'll send a pic of what download mode shows if that will help any
I've been using Fedora for years, but with KDE, not the default Gnome.
I’m a KDE fan, nice
Support wise, do you find that there are Linux apps that you would like to run, but only work with Ubuntu?
The only application I've had that issue with recently is Claudia, from KXStudio. It's supposed to work but Fedora doesn't provide a specific dependency. I think LADISH is what's missing.
Interesting. I like fedoras approach to desktop environments
Where you can have any of them
Can't you do that in every distro?
I have 10 different sessions I can log into under Arch. I really should clean that up haha.
Yup
Yeah, but you can download fedora with only one of your choice if you want
I think
Yes, that's called a "Spin."
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
I thought Ubuntu did this also, but maybe they only have 1-2 DE versions (Gnome & KDE) available as a unique ISO and not the 7-8 DE versions available from Fedora.
Yeah, spins. Those are cool
Ubuntu does do that for most of them, there’s kubuntu (Kde) Lubuntu (lxde?) Xubuntu (xfce) and Ubuntu studio with Kde
I don’t remember which ones have official support, but I know there are 7
Ubuntu flavours offer a unique way to experience Ubuntu, each with their own choice of default applications and settings, backed by the full Ubuntu archive for packages and updates.
Ok don’t listen to me, look at the list
Oh right... "flavours." :-) My current "music system" started as Kubuntu flavour, then I added a splash of Ubuntu Studio flavour. Finally, I sprinkled on the KXStudio repositories.
Nice
I just use Ubuntu studio. I have not tried any Kx studio packages because I read somewhere that the Ubuntu studio and kx stuff would clash dependencies and not work well together
Mainly the stuff that manages Jack
That's the first I've heard about that issue. I don't recall anything like that ever happening, but maybe it's only with specific KXStudio applications that I don't use.
I want to say it was Claudia and studio controls clashing? But I don’t have time rn to find that thread
Claudia is the main/only KXStudio application that I used and I don't recall any dependency issues. Claudia is also what I'm trying to replace since it doesn't work on Fedora Jam.
hm
It is time
Are you doing something to your phone
Im porting pixel experience to my phone
:)
Is it hard to do?
yeah
im struggling
im also really working with android for the first time tho
not just slide this button type this in yada yada
Good luck, it ought to be cool when it’s done
I was gonna make a really dumb iPhone user joke about this but I won’t (for all our sanity)
IPHONE

i think u mispelled trash
trash is spelled T R A S H not I P H O N E
Can we vote to ban a non-believing Mod from OUR channel? Asking for a friend. ;-)
depends on which mod
We used to have a private thread that was just techies
I was joking.... 'cause Pato came in here talkin' that iNonsense. LOL
huh i dont like iphone lol I was saying like iphone ew
I have an iPhone 👀
u have trash?
also i hate it all
think i found errror
Yeh, I kinda like it too. Wish I had Linux phone tho
It just works so well with iPad and everything
And I use that for working
It is done
Ooh nice. Fingers crossed it works well.
Yoo congratulations
Everything works and all the bugs i had using a gsi build are also gone
im very happy with it
was a pain since compile errored out like an hour or so in because my ssd got full
but all good i just deleted windows
and i allocated 50gb for ccache
went very fast after that
That’s my motto
(Ironically I guess)
Glad the phone works
Awesome! That's no small thing you did
RAWR FOR TECHIE (i think)
yeah waiting for androidfilehost to give me dev access so i can upload there and share on xda
There will probably be happy people
heckin monster
bro that was just all the sources
when i went to compile it errorred with not enough space
can you extend the partition?
yeah
deleted windows
and extended partition
just needed to move / and extend /home
used a live mint install usb
You have /home in different partition?
yeah i did custom install since originally wanted to keep windows
ya gparted is annoying & wouldn't edit the partition while it was in use
last time I messed with it at least
yep
It’s designed that way
why will windows partition editor do it but gparted won't?
Linux does it safer I guess
windows doesnt let u resize c drive either tbf
I think that's the first time Linux wouldn't do something like that but windows would
oh for real?
yep
guess I've always resized 2d or 3d drives then
btw linux should run fine off an HDD right?
It should, yes.
Yeh, but it won’t be super fast
mine was acting all slow yesterday but once I switched to proprietary driver for GPU it was fine again
Or a USB drive. heh heh Just depends on how patient you are. :-)
I ran kubuntu off an sd card. It was sooo slow. Slower than hdd
yeah
it was SATA but I didn't want it taking up space in my case anymore
I've run Fedora 35 from a USB3 thumbdrive and it's satisfactory for occasional use. Kinda guessing here but wouldn't the bottleneck be the USB speed rather than the drive speed?
was just gonna use it as storage for pictures & the like but then I didn't wanna make another partition for linux since I had already chopped up the bigger NVMe for benchmark partition
That’s fair. But sata might be better because it’s hard to accidentally unplug it vs usb
true but it's somewhat protected by it being behind the computer on a shelf I guess
Yeah that’s better
it is exposed probably more than it should be tbh. I just took an extra HDD cage I didn't use from a case & put it in there with a little adapter for power & usb interface
Ah nice
it's actually had less issues than external SSD over usb C on another build
I’ve had a little sibling pull a usb stick I was booted from. I was not happy at them. It was weird tho cause the computer didn’t shut off right away
might be motherboard issue tho... that board has had them often from what I understand
is a lot of the info loaded into memory?
Speaking of drives hangin' out of the case... Not long after I built this system, I needed to rip some DVD's. So, I connected 3 ODD's (plus the 1 ODD in the case), and ran 4 instances of Handbreak and was ripping 4 discs at a time. :-D It was ghetto-looking but worked well.
why so many DVDs? lol
Yoo what cpu?
I needed to rip about 200 DVD's. One at a time would have been tedious. Plus, the way I did it was fun and I got a laugh out of it. :-D
Ryzen 7.... um... 3700x
200 DVDs? you selling your mixtape? lol
or like giving out wedding videos to all attendees?
Nah... digitizing so the discs don't need to be used.
I really wanted to make all of our dvds digital. But my youngest sister is quite rough on them and plays with them and has scratched most of them too badly
how long does data last on a dvd-r anyway?
Bummer, yeah scratches can be a problem.
you can get around copyright protection? yes or no, not asking how to break any laws now lol
As long as you don’t distribute the disk after you rip it it’s fine
That's best practice tbh, so your data is safe if you bork your OS / partition
I think
Most discs seemed to give up the data fine. Seems like a few rebelled but that could have been scratches.
I should try that when I do a complete reinstall of 22.04
Digital copies are legal as long as you own a physical copy and you copy it yourself. Downloading ROMs and such is illegal. You must dump them yourself. This is how Nintendo is cracking down on people running Switch games on the PC even though they have physical copies; there's no legitimate way to dump Switch ROMs without a certain ancient version of Switch.
Some of ours our hopeless. But “chicken run” (a family favorite) is still in good condition iirc
rip it while ya can! heh heh
I’m going to once I get pc setup. Then I’m gonna put it on nas to stream it
now how does that work with like giving family members a copy of something you ripped? seems like you'd be in violation, but I don't know how many you'd have to give away to be "distributing." I mean if you had a book & let a family member borrow it, you wouldn't be doing anything wrong
Sometimes a disc repair/buffing device helps
Giving copies to anyone else is technically illegal
You can only have copies of games you've ripped yourself
what if you downloaded a torrent of chicken run but owned a copy? The person letting you download it would be doing something illegal but if you own a copy are you doing anything wrong? hmm
oh "rip yourself" got it
Technically speaking since you didn't rip it yourself you're also breaking the law. It's hard to prove this unless your ISP gives up your data, which they do frequently.
Or if I let a friend watch videos on my nas. I could easily have lent them the disk, but since they didn’t do it themselves?
lol but if you let them watch videos on your NAS & you're there too it's okay?
Since you still own the physical copy and it's physically located on your computer the normal rules for watching in groups should in theory apply
If I stream my stuff over my nas server and my domain name I bought, and I use SSL, can my isp see what I’m streaming?
I.E. you can't profit off of it
& if you use your steam account on someone else's computer to play games yourself?
heckin IP law
no profit, no distribution?
Yes they can, some ISPs strip the SSL layer. Only fully encrypted connections like VPN are "safe".
back in the day when I would burn discs, if you popped a DVD in there, you couldn't burn the files that came off of it
like it wouldn't give you a usable file
don't remember what trying to clone a disc from the dvd drive to the dvd-rw drive did tbh
That's copy protection, and it's illegal to bypass
Is there any way to see if my isp strips it? Or should I just maybe use a vpn to my local network to stream movies
You should be using a VPN at all times if you're concerned about that
But no there's no way to tell if your ISP is using bad practices
I still wanna figure out how you do the thing that makes your phone think you're using regular data instead of hotspot data
That hasn't worked in years afaik
it used to work with root I remember
Will a vpn that is set up on a server at home (like wire guard or something) work?
You could set your router to use VPN and then all the traffic will be encrypted always
is there a VPN that's free that isn't plagued with crap?
Not that I know of
I had express vpn for a little while but didn't feel like paying for it lol
I don't really need it for anything
My router can’t :/ I don’t think. It’s a calix gigacenter 8441 something or other
the added security would be cool
Time to get a new router for bridge mode
But it doesn’t have a tab called vpn
You can plug another router into your ISP router, turn on bridge mode, and run the VPN through that
My ISP (Wintek, in Indiana) makes you call and ask them to remotely put your router into bridge mode
It’s kinda silly, there was some logic behind it but I’ll have to look it up again
That's the beauty of it, you don't need to do anything on the ISP router
You set your personal router as a bridge and it looks just like another client with other clients attached to the same port
Like a switch
Can I ask you about this tomorrow? It might be what I need to do, but I’m dead tired
Yeah no problem
Okie thanks, gnight
g'night
which VPN do you use? (assuming you do)
VyprVPN
They don't keep logs
Lots of global IPs to use to get around region locks

I’m pretty sure the thermonuclear war part was taken from the opencore guide
Lol nope
If you had used "global thermonuclear war," that could be a reference to the movie "War Games." 😄
That was the first place I saw thermonuclear war on xD
I was looking for info on VyprVPN and found this... https://www.techradar.com/news/new-research-reveals-surfshark-turbovpn-vyprvpn-are-installing-risky-root-certificates
Well that's a recent thing and it's not obviously malicious. I'm sure it'll be fixed soon.
Yeah, apparently a couple of the companies mentioned have already dealt with it.
limux
limus
limis
Limith
licksus
Nimix
FREAX
Beanux
Sudo apt-get install Linux
[dude@NinjaLair ~]$ sudo dnf install linux
Last metadata expiration check: 1:10:31 ago on Tue 26 Apr 2022 06:11:00 PM CDT.
No match for argument: linux
Error: Unable to find a match: linux
Hehe
haha
Oh I see. You’re using fedora. You have to go to sketchypackagemanager.con and add that to apt
Yknow, apt add ppa: sketchpackman.con
Yes, I will definitely scamper right over to a site with "sketchy" in the domain name. I will do that now. [chuckle]
Btw Dude. You could buy the domain name dude.wtf
I think its only like 60 dollars from godaddy
Actually 69 dollars
No way
expensive
I'm finding a variety of other options for $3.50. 😀 The problem is... I don't have any compelling need for a domain. I've been thinking about maybe setting up a new email address, but I haven't checked pricing on email providers, e.g., Rackspace. That's the only use I can think of for a domain right now.
Yeahh there are lotsa cheaper ones
But I thought it was funny cause you’re dude and your pfp is wtf
Winux
I feel sorry for that nvme drive
Writing out zeroes to all sectors will kill its life span
yeah, unfortunately we have to follow procedure 😦
Yeah, at least the data won't be recoverable very easily.
If you really wanted to make it unrecoverable you'd do 7 passes alternating between zeroes and random patterns
Yeah, we're not that worried. The machine is staying within the department, just going to a new person
you may as well just take a hammer to the nand instead of wasting time with 7 passes haha
Why not use nvme-cli? Would both nvme-cli and the dd method have the same impact on drive lifespan?
https://nvmexpress.org/open-source-nvme-management-utility-nvme-command-line-interface-nvme-cli/
Because the NV in NVMe means that even if you do that the data is stored semi-permanently
I tried that at one point. The drives don't smash well. Chips flying everywhere.
oh lol
Gotta kill it with fire
Step 1.... HAMMER TIME!
Step 2... SHOUT TROGDORRRRRRR!!!!!! then BURNINATE IT!!!
I also tried snapping it in half. That didn't work either.
Hanz and Franz want to.. PAHMP [clap] YOU AHP!!
Nah I'm pumped enough, it just bent instead of snapping
OK, I'm done with the dumb references. I'd never heard of nvme-cli until now. Would that be better than using dd to write zero's?
Just take it down to the basement and put it in the incinerator
That is vicious to the drive
How long did it take
Actually probably not too long compared to formatting an hdd
It finished a little bit ago
How big was the drive? I don’t know the syntax of that command, never used it xD
🤣
This is pretty interesting:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1310338/how-to-secure-erase-a-nvme-ssd
500GB, it's pretty much the enterprise version of the 970 evo
Nice. But rip tbw
Yup

WINdows losERS
The joke is they're actually winers, people that use wine
Where?
Ohh why did it call branch revision?
Each version of os requires seperate branch because of changes
so they juct call it revision
Yeye i get that i was just confused
Ok if anyone is around i need help with permissions across computers. I need pcs running windows, linux and macos to access the same truenas network drive but im always having an issue somewhere with permissions
Someone in the house was copying something, stopped working computer crashed and now the folder is stuck there, cant delete it cant resume copy magically lost all permissions
I've never used TrueNAS, but can you reset the permissions via whatever interface it has? From looking at this, it seems like you should be able to add some permissions... assuming you have access to this....
https://www.truenas.com/docs/core/storage/pools/permissions/
Permissions
for now it's working again. I had to delete the file on another device(my phone) and then it was fine
So how is everyone's Linux linuxing on this lovely linuxy Friday? Yeah, I'm bored. 🤷♂️
Pretty bad
I tried installing porteus on a portable drive
Says this
What is the password I didn’t even set a password
There's probably a default password. Did you Google for "porteus default password"?
Is the password password
im an idiot thanks for the help it worked
My main pc still isn’t even set up cause we just moved, but I have my laptop 😌
Ugh... moving is a headache even if it goes well. Hang in there and good luck!
I want to try out Linux, but games
dualboot
I thought about that, but I have a game open any time I'm home so..
Now.. if I could have linux up on 1 screen and windows on the other..
virtual machine
That's essentially 2 builds put into 1 case yeah?
Wouldn't be able to use my kb/mouse to go from 1 screen to the other seamlessly?
nope
https://www.virtualbox.org/
@tender ivy this is what u want
why do u need a backup pc tho
also he wants to try another os.... telling him to build a new computer ius awful advice
Ok so, I could have the vm on one screen. Will the vm be as fast as if I was booted into windows itself?
I am not part of that "we"
You said "we all have spare parts"
vm runs on top of windows as a windows application
"WE" dont
you might
a vm is a virtual pc of sorts
Maybe I'm confused on what a virtual machine is. Does the virtual machine use the os on my ssd? So say I booted into Linux. Then opened a vm for win11..
Would it use the win11 thats installed on my ssd?
ok so think of it this way
a vm is like launching a game
u boot into windows normally
and then start the game
Well I understand that I guess.
vm is the exact same thing but instead of a game, its using a part of ur computer to run another operating system
you are very much still in windows tho
I'm just wondering if there is going to be loss in performance using the vm
Ah ok
See i was thinking of booting into Linux to use that os and then using the vm software for win11 to play my games.
But if performance loss then ill just stick with windows.
Since all I pretty much do is play games and browse amazin/discord when I'm at home.
bad idea because gpu passthrough may not wrk
what?
where does vm have anything to with talking about dualboot
no but how am i "trying to say about dualboot" by explaining what a vm is?
Lol
exatly my point
Are you ok?
once again, exactly my point
anyway tho @tender ivy when setting up the vm just allocate like 4gb ram and 2-4 cores cpu and ull be fine
Bruh. Gtfo here with the insults
Alright ill check it out.
L
u can ping me if u need any help
Sweet. I'm at work so I'll see about it when I get home. I might be putting in my new fans first though
take ur time no rush
what happened there kek
I don't even know tbh.
Toxic person being toxic. They're gone now.
gud
I was sleeping when Linux chat was actually alive :(
dammit... I missed out on the drama. [sigh] 🤣
ill recap for u
~𝕽𝖊𝖔𝖗𝖝𝖎𝖘𝖙~ wanted to try linux
this clown told him to build another pc
I'm going to disagree with RAWR here. You CAN setup your Virtual Machine to allow pretty much "seamless" use of mouse & keyboard. In the VM, look into the "auto capture keyboard" and "mouse pointer integration" options.
For what you're doing you want to use Windows as your "Host OS" and whatever version of Linux as your "Guest OS."
When you're using a Virtual Machine in this context, you're basically running a separate, full OS as if it were an application in its own window. That "guest" OS can also run applications as windows within its window. So yes, you could maximize your VM window on a 2nd monitor.
you miss deleted messages, I said no to seamless keyboard and mouse thing to the build another pc "idea"
you 100% can do seamless switching in a vm
Well... If you have plenty of money and time and enjoy building computers, sure you could build a new machine. But that's definitely not necessary just to try out a different OS.
theres a keybind to do it
Aaahhh... OK... now I agree with ya again. LOL
lol
But it can also be set up to not be "seamless" use of the mouse & keyboard... it just depends on what you want. Mine isn't set up that way so I forget exactly how it differed.
Yes vms are nice and seamless
Rawr already said this, but if your main use is playing games, do a Linux VM in windows rather than windows in Linux
Exactly.
Especially if your objective is to try out Linux for the first time. My set up is the opposite, with a Win10 guest on a Linux host, but it's also dual-boot and I reboot to Windows for certain games that don't run on Linux.
The main thing I use the Win10 VM for is accessing the Xfinity web site, 'cause those assclowns can't create a web site that works on Linux. [eyeroll] 🤦♂️
i dual boot rn but i should have another ssd for linux only soon
But you'll still be dual-booting... just with Linux on a dedicated drive?
yeah
ill have a terabyte of ssd for linux
and 500 for windows
instead of 80windows 400 linux
so I was recomended a linux os that has been optimized to play the games that I currently play
so I was thinking of giving that a whirl
also, sorry yall missed the fun
Which one?
heh let me find it
Thats my same setup, 500 for w*ndows and Tb for Linux
PopOS
Oh yeah
Pop is nice
Very good if you have an nvidia gpu
My friend uses it but i don’t personally prefer it
what if I switch to an amd gpu?
ideal for linoox
so.. you don't lik PopOS, do you have something better?
or is that the one I should try out?
What about it?
As long as you don't have dual graphics Nvidia shouldn't give you any problems
ok
That's pretty much the easiest thing to change about any distro
yeah but id rather use something like mint or elementary
I'm not a huge fan of elementary, its repos just don't seem well maintained
Yeah I don’t like Gnome in general
I like Kde plasma
Although the pantheon desktop from elementary is really nice for laptops
Like a Mac
would any1 have 1st hand experience (or 3rd, or somehow familiar) with getting Linux to work with pen input for the following old laptops:
- Dell Venue 11 Pro 7130 (Synaptics digitizer I believe; unfortunately not Wacom)
and - HP Touchpad Tx2z (N-Trig Duosense digitizer)
Got this old laptop with an intel celeron n2830. Upgraded the ram from 4gb to 8gb and threw a 240gb ssd instead of the old 500gb hard drive. Should i throw linux on it? Its very slow and i know when my wife used it, windows ran terribly on it. Never really delved into linux yet but id like to broaden my horizons and use this as a experiment
Im reading that ubuntu is a good lite OS for older laptops. What features do i lose with say windows 8 or windows 10 vs linux?
Definitely Linux will run better
And Ubuntu is a good choice as well.
As far as losing features, it’s mainly going to be some windows programs. But often there are alternatives for Linux users. Are there any specific programs you would need?
Sure... install Linux on it. It'll still feel sluggish though. I'd opt for a leaner Desktop Enviroment and not Gnome or KDE.
Whatever you install, just don't judge the speed of Linux based on running it on that laptop. 😁
Definitely. That sounds like a slow ‘aptop. The ssd should help it some tho
Lubuntu is a lot lighter for those slower processors, and doesn't lose any features except some visual stuff.
Yeah its chugging here and there on this laptop but its not bad enough that its an inconvenience
I guess knowing and accepting that its slow makes it a little easier to deal with. Still with 2x the ram and an ssd, downloading, updating, and installing stuff is actually pretty decent. I wont be using it for much until i find a reason to actually use it. Maybe an on the go email machine or such when i travel for work. Watch youtube or play little games on it
Or maybe even to use when i cook. I really dont like using my phone because of the small screen
Should i go ahead and install lubuntu instead?
If you want. For a light use machine there's not a lot of reason to have the gnome desktop and its visual niceties
Personally I have mint on my 14 year old laptop. It originally had a single core processor that I upgraded to dual core lol
Yeah i just need something light that i can do simple stuff with. But i do want to retain the free office suite incase i need it, but also its free and useful to have anyway
OpenOffice should still work just fine.
How good is LibreOffice? Have you used it much?
Ill try lubuntu out as i like the ubuntu interface. And it being "energy efficient" as im reading is a good plus
You said you use mint? I see a peppermint distro, is that the same one?
Just plain Linux Mint
It's based on ubuntu
It has a desktop that looks similar to a Windows machine
Windows 7 that is
Linux mint is pretty nice with how it feels like windows.
Yeah i tried lubuntu and couldn't really figure it out so i got linux mint and i like how new user friendly it is
Good for you!
It’s a better fork of OpenOffice because OpenOffice is no longer maintained, while libreoffice is.
I know this was a few days ago, but I felt like I really needed to correct you on that.
Libreoffice is definitely the better option between the two.
Ok. When did that stop getting updates?
Looks like April, 2014 was the last "major" release....
https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/libreoffice-vs-openoffice/
Comparison of LibreOffice and OpenOffice. LibreOffice is the evolution of OpenOffice, with extra features, better Microsoft compatibility, and regular releases.
current disk's partitions order:
- EFI
- MSR
- W10
- Windows Recovery
- W11
- Linux Filesystem from Fedora
- Fedora, which is using up the whole remaining space
Fedora installer knew to automatically create a partition out of the unallocated space,
but I assume not all distros do this,
and would just format whichever partition u select
So bottom line my question is:
what's the simplest way to properly shrink/resize the Fedora partition,
so I could install another Linux distro after it ?
Use a live usb and gparted to shrink the partition, then you can make another one in the free space
thanks I was gonna make gparted bootable, then I saw comments about how it should be there by default in most live distros installers ((:
now I'll need to figure out how to use gparted
It's basically the same as Windows disk management but more powerful and more supported file systems
naice thanks
Yeah. As someone who has used both (grew up on OpenOffice, now use libre) libre is so much better.
did anyone see nvidia making their drivers for gnu plus linux open sauce
They've explicitly stated they wouldn't and refused to give in to the hacker's demands when they got their source code stolen, so I doubt that it'll happen
That’s not what they’re talking about. They’re talking about Nvidia open sourcing their kernel modules. Which is a huge leap in the right direction for better Linux support.
There’s still so much more that needs to happen to make Nvidia on par with AMD on Linux platforms, but this is great. Give it another year or two, and hopefully we’ll have near fully open sourced drivers.
So far my journey into Linux/GNU has been great and I've found a couple great resources to get started with the Linux CLI.
You can find them here:
https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/command-line-for-beginners#1-overview
And including a free PDF version of the book, The Linux Command Line by William Shotts: http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php
The book being in PDF format has allowed me to read the book and simultaneously have my terminal open on top to be able to follow the instructions in the book.
As a semi-novice in programming/networking I've found the book so far to be easy to follow and understand, just as well as the tutorial. I'm only on chapter 3, but I have a simple understanding of directories, paths, and some simple commands already.
So if you're just getting into linux like I am, feel free to check those links above out.
any help with cleaning up this mess would be appreciated 🙇♂️
What bootloader is that
rEFInd
Thanks
aren't u gonna help me 🥲 lolol jk
it's a boot manager btw, apparently there's a difference between managers and loaders (I assume managers manage loaders ?)
Yeah sorry boot manager is what i meant
no worries I'm brand new to these stuff too hah
it's prob shouldn't be too hard, it's just that I'm so unfamiliar with navigating linux and its tools on top of not knowing how boot loaders/managers work
Boot loader installs with the os boot manager just links to the boot loader afaik
Haha, no
ooo ic
GRUB lets you put things into folders for sorting
thanks I'm currently just tryna figure out how to do it with rEFInd hah
if I fail I go back to grub ig, or live with the mess for now
Nooooo I will never be able to take advantage 
Or maybe I’ll have to upgrade my gpu
Although at this point my computer is handling all tasks well
I'm trying to install Linux mint 20.x on a Dell wyse 3040.
It always give me the same error ("invalid bit in row 86" or something similar)
I made the installation usb with Rufus 3.x
Tried many ways to creat the usb drive and different versions of Linux but the same error occurs
guys how exactly do u explore ESP's /boot/efi/ ?
it's in /dev/sda/ but I can't cd to it even after entering password,
I can cd to dev, but not sda1, says directory doesn't exist
I want to explores paths to the OSes' bootloader files
I think you have to do that from bios. That’s how I’ve done it before.
🤔 🤔 as in before loading an OS, using a live usb, open a terminal, then cd there ?
can u do that in a grub cli ?
Have you mounted the partition? Can't browse files without mounting
that could be why 😂
lemme look into how to mount
or to check if something is mounted
I have always just looked at them through the bios. I get to the bios, and then go to boot options. Then I add a new one and it lets me browse through the whole drive.
It didn’t occur to me, but you probably could do it from a live usb stick.
That’s how I made my efi partition bigger
oof thanks I'm not too familiar with things u can do in BIOS but I'll have a look
mine is Dell btw
oh nvm sorry it was already mounted,
ig ESP is just a very critical/restrictive partition
Are you using your file browser as root?
Have you tried accessing the directory via a regular command line? You'll need to be "root" to see certain directories... and some distributions do not enable the root account by default.
that's what I was doing ya
it'd ask for password which I entered and then no directory change no error
the stock Files app I used does show Administrator,
and I did get to look at Fedora's /boot/efi/ folders, where I found the refind.conf file
I was able to edit and save that file too, and changes made does seem to stick
also think I just found the solution 😂 ,
one that'd only require deleting 1 character in that long conf file "#"
forcing text mode shows paths to all .efi's
what strange is that Fedora has like 6 different boot options/efi's,
all would launch what seems to be the exact same GRUB menu
How would u go about deciding which to keep,
or it doesn't matter ?
btw "Fedora 36" and "BlissOS" are names I gave to the corresponding OSes' partitions,
adding "File system labels" in Gparted,
but then why would it say "from EFI System Partition" ?
That just means the EFI files are in the EFI partition
I just realized there isn't a space between Fedora and 36,
so maybe it's not the one I named after all 😂
I was confused seeing how there seem to be multiple /boot/efi/ directories residing in different partitions
I'd assumed that all u need is those EFI's from the ESP partition (sda1),
but there seem to be more of them that get picked up during scan in the OS partitions as well,
like sda6 to 9
haha that sticker
and then in Files App when I browsed "other devices" >> Computer,
there's also /boot/efi/EFI there
but Computer has 50GB...
which made me think it was /sda7 😂
the beauty of multi booting ig
so I added an entry dont_scan_volumes Android,Fedora in refind.conf,
but that didn't seem to do anything
same thing with dont_scan_files [path to efi file1, path to efi file2]
A bit messy even as far as multiboot goes though. I'd just make my EFI partition 1gb instead of the default 500mb and stash everything for all the OS's in there. They can also all share a swap.
the custom icons I got did stick tho
yikes ya too advanced for me 😂
first time doing it / learning linux really
Yeah you'd have to set up the partitions in advance, including flags. Takes a bit of planning.
way too much background knowledge required
welp ig I could just live with the messy boot menu for now
next up is to test the actual OSes
wait but, can I just pick 1 working boot entry for each OS,
remove the "duplicates" tho ? 😂
Duplicates might be "recovery" entries, but if they're not delete em
crap I don't even know what they are,
only that clicking on them => same grub menu
Here's how I would have arranged them, the extra boot partition is unnecessary.
oof nice thanks I'll save it for future redos
btw how did u prepare this just now ((:
and I don't know why Fedora would create that extra 1GB boot partition, is it for recovery ?
No idea why fedora did that, haven't gotten too deep into it
But I just edited my drive in gparted without applying changes
oo ic kool thanks
much better kek
alright, gonna attempt to put ubuntu lts on a mac hopefully this isn't a pain
Did you say you boot android? If so, teach me your power
Good luck. I’ve heard they can be temperamental
Ye so far no luck, will try again tmrw
Everytime you try with an installer when it restarts it goes to a internet recovery environment and if I check the boot menu no drive is detected. Maybe I try a fee things to see what i can boot
Make sure you’re not using ventoy or anything. Macs can’t boot from those
Owo
Windows?
nah android
Yeah
Just have to fix the damn second sim card, and sepolicy enforced
Only on a samsung A52 4g
u have to have bl unlocked to root afaik
I'll see if I can find it, but someone created a way to root without unlocking.
oh wait yeah im being dumb
After looking further down the thread.. it looks like I might actually be able to unlock my bootloader.
I may be messing with my phone next weekend.
I am a little concerned about the 80% battery life though.
I've been at work for 14 hours and my phone is at 31% so that'd put me at 11% for a work day.
I'm sure u guys know more than I do hahah
I only learned it yesterday
but ya if u haven't u should give it a try,
barebone android-x86, or some other forks
I haven't tried it much yet, already got intermittent wifi issue, and play service keeps crashing...ur mileage may very
I'm rather surprised tho that all OSes installed recognized my non-Wacom stylus out of the box
I was just about to install 35 yesterday when someone told me 36 was just released
Hope it goes well
You can install a terminal emulator for android
As long as there's no firewall issues it should work fine
You probably want a third party keyboard now that I think about it, with the ctrl and alt keys and all that
Otherwise you can't kill a process without ctrl+c lol
It's been discussed and rejected, same as #networking
They wouldn't get enough traffic to warrant making a channel
Android is just Linux in disguise anyway
Yes they've forked pretty far from each other by now
Good analogy
What just happened
Wait did networking get discarded?
I am sad if it did
Yeah same reason, not enough interest
Noooo
I think there would be good interest
I mean, iOS Apple chat is as dead as dead can get. It couldn’t be any worse
How many people do you see asking about routers and switches though
iOS at least picks up around launches and events
Did I just get ejected or something?
ye, dont say the word thats opposite of day or words with those 3 letters in it
Frank done goofed and added those 3 letters into carl bot and carl bot only sees those 3 letters and bans
even if its an actual word
Please DM me the "magic letters"
I don't even know what I said.
the opposite of day
well the first 3 letters of that word
So now, every post I've ever made has been deleted?
doesnt seem so
I don't see comments I made prior to 9:20pm
unless its just delay or because im mod, but im able to see and also it goes back like 48 pages
OK... maybe I just need to refresh later or something.
It all disappeared for me too, and didn't even say you were banned oddly enough
It's not like I was saying anything important, 'cause I definitely wasn't. LOL
So you’re telling me, I literally can’t say anything with the opposite of day?
I’ve said that word plenty of times when writing gn messages @fallow belfry
Is this like super recent?
ye
Frank added them recently and he cant change it back until monday since he doesnt have access to the wegg account from home
lol
Time to tell a specific someone in general chat to say what the opposite of day is.
🤪
kenzie already said it twice
Sassy and Bryce know.
Damn.
Oh well, I suppose I don’t chat anymore to really care about them.
Watch us come back on Monday and half the server is banned
I swear I'll forget tomorrow
So if I say, good n - i . g ; h ‘ t “ I’ll get banned?
I feel like the mods are going to need an adult beverage long before Monday.
well its not in random order, just in that first order
Is it a ban or a kick?
Well.... there IS a "citrus wine" that starts with "the three letters" and ends in "ht train." LOL
Can Carlbot be disabled temporarily?
Is there any way to get back in?
Cause I’m afraid I’ll slip
yeah, I'm 100% paranoid that I'll use "those 3 letters." LOL
we just have to try and keep an eye out and then unban people whove said it accidently
@strong plover Putting a * in the word is filter evading btw
kenzie and dude already got banned and i unbanned them
Is that banable?
If you do it too much, usually just informal warning
That would be fine since that's an accidentally filtered word lol
Wow... talk about "first world problems." SMH
F’real
So the best thing I can do to assist in this situation is to STFU until Monday. LOL
Yup lol
I'm offended. LMAO
You don't want to be banned 6 times a day until then 
not sure if booze... or situation... but... I'm legit LMAO
Sooooo.... if "Frank" doesn't have access to the newegg account from home until Monday.... "Frank" needs to give their discord account password to someone who can fix this.
It's not complicated. Frank changes to a temporary passwork... gives it to someone trustworthy... they fix Carlbot... let Frank know... Frank changes the password again. Problem solved.
Please do something like this.
I use termius, it's decent
The problem is it's not Frank's account, it's the Newegg Service account. He doesn't even have the password to it lol.
Oh... so another layer of complexity. Yay! chuckle
Yep. The account can only be accessed from the Newegg office. Which is closed until Monday.
Man there’s a lot of talk about some dude named frank in Linux chat.
Yuck. Poor mods until then.
Wait... it's 2022... many work from home... are you suggesting that something like this is tied to a specific geographical location? chuckle
chuckles
@rotund dirge I think you mean "some poor GUY named Frank".... right? LOL
Lmao
No... just a specific computer
'Cause PUH-LEEEEEZE don't connect my name with "the infamous Frank." LOL
And nobody knows how to acquire remote access to this one magical computer? smirk
Y'all weird
... and proud. :-p
For the record.... unless I get banned again and all my previous posts get deleted... LOL .... I 100% understand that ya can't foresee EVERYTHING and therefore "stuff" happens.
BUT!
I'm still going to tease all you people who are absolutely smarter than I am. 😀
I bet it’s set up with the highest industry standard security configurations. But I bet we could hack it.
If it's NOT 'pretty damn secure' ©️ , I'd complain about that.
Well if a bunch of discord passwords happened to leak... Not saying I wouldn't fix it. And then reset the password and DM it to Naht 🙃
I just hope someone realizes that STFU-ing is not on the short list of my strengths and will un-ban me on Monday. But, I'll try to hush. LOL
Do you know all of our passwords?
Maybe 40% of them. Because people still use variations of Password123.
But Discord 2FA is another problem
That is sad.
Start stealing phones. Eventually you’ll get one that doesn’t have a passcode and that has a discord account
Yeah the amount of people without a lock on their iphone is... shockingly sad
I curse whoever came up with the concept of dual sim phones
Why? They're useful for international travelers
Oh right custom rom
Yeah that's another model to take into account
nah just dev for dual sim, no need to do for both as dual sim version of rom works fine on single sim models but getting second sim working on snapdragon is a PITA
I have it to a point where it gets detected by the phone BUT no audio in or out on calls
also cant recieve these calls, just make em
also you have to restart after putting sim in slot 1 after removing from slot 2 because slot 1 stops working too, till reboot
i have absolutely 0 idea how to fix this
and I cant apply for official maintainership till i get that fixed, as all hardware has to be working
and i really wanna go official since itll look great on my CV
I actually have everything fixed except for selinux enforced ( currently permissive) and this damn sim
but selinux has to be fixed last so ive hit a brick wall rn
anyway
thanks for coming to my ted talk
Tbh, idk how android works exactly.
But needing to restart on Linux generally means the service/driver needs to be restarted.
And usually things like that are baked as modules in the kernel.
Or if you have access to the kernel driver and how to build it into the kernel, build it as a module and then load it.
You can use modprobe to mess with kernel modules on Linux.
Should be the same/something similar on android.
TBH it sounds like a PITA, but it's really not too bad.
That would at least fix that issue.
RIL doesnt tell audio hal that sim2 is being used and it therefore assumes sim1 is still being used
How about you try telling audio hal from RIL that SIM1 is no longer in use.
Perhaps it has a built in switch?
rip
I seem to have broken haptic feedback
Hmmmm
Well that wasnt a sim card fix
Ohhhhhh its awful
Im gonna have to clean flash to fix tomorrow
Legit
Vibration mininum duration is 3 seconds rn
I messed something up bad
Aaaaaa
Ohhhhhhh this is awful
For some folks, that would be a feature, not a bug. 😁
10 second vibration when unlocking phone
Literally ive unlocked and opened apps and its still vibrating
I hate it thanks
Ayo
Oh cool
I killed wifi as well
Yikes wifi is kinda good
Sounds like you're having a rough time of it lol
Nah.... RAWR is clearly a masochist and loves this sort of thing. :-D
Fully agree.
I is...
Anyway time to fix stuff
Rawk on!
Anyway i fixed the stuff i broke and updated audio to a newer version
also disabled audio compression and added support for more codecs and finished patching usb c audio
also fixed face unlock
hmm now for some reason all my web services decided to disappear, looks fine but looks like somewhere between dns server and reverse proxy there is issue, oh well
hmm not sure what issue was but it just so happen that I made a backup of the os a week ago and it all good now
been trying it out, seems good for my needs, thanks for the suggestion
I love how if I Google Linus Torvalds, the first picture that comes up is him with his middle finger up. Very fitting for him.
Yup haha
There
LINUX USER
You called?
FALCIE A LINUX USER TOO
DUDEEEEEE
my friend said linux will never be successful because of gaming
tell him if linux wasnt as successful as it is, the internet wouldnt really be a big thing
Yeah you probably use some variant of Linux every day whether you realize it or not. There's likely at least 3-5 devices using it in your home right now.
android is linux based
I am making an educated guess that the discord servers are running some form of Linux
Actually I think I heard it’s hosted in aws
AWS is just the service, they'd have to use an OS under that
Is azure still on windows
It's split now
Forked off Windows to be its own OS right?
And probably Linux
what about gaming
no valorant on linux
You make it sound like gaming is the biggest industry mover
But anyways game compatibility with Linux is improving every month. Steam Deck has motivated that.
Yes, several versions
I keep windows installed for specific older games that aren't working in Linux
But I primarily run Pop on my desktop and Mint on my home server
And an Android phone, which is a Linux fork
Soon
I keep windows since I’m too lazy to delete it
And I haven’t used it in many months
I've been dual-booting Windows and Linux for yeeeeaaarrrssss... 'cause I'm a masochist.
Except for mapping USB ports when rawr and I did hack Mac
I'm on Windows at the moment so I can download BL3 on Epic to play with a Windows-only friend. Yes, I already have BL3 on Steam with the DLC and that's installed on Linux..... AND Windows. eyeroll LOL
Lol
It doesn't have cross play?
BL3 has some sort of crossplay, but I assumed that Steam <-> Epic crossplay would not be possible. But I haven't checked and could easily be wrong.
Aaaaaaaaaand I should have checked before assuming. LOL
https://mentalmars.com/game-news/borderlands-3-cross-platform-details/
I need a gui to mount a samba share. Ubuntu.
I just type the share path into my file explorer and symlink it
So here's what happened:
make file system - file system exists, overwrite make /mnt/home mount file system at /mnt/home make /mnt/etc - exists already mount file system at /mnt/home - already mounted make mnt/home - already exists make file system - mounted, cannot overwrite
What you need to do is unmount the file system you created and mounted already if you want to make further changes
Will I work in dolphin?
oh I just started the installation from scratch
It should, just type the smb server address into the address bar
Eesh yeah videos are often outdated or just plain wrong
Will it reload it after I reboot? Or will I have to type it every time unless I mess with my fstab file
That's why you symlink it, and leave the link on your desktop or wherever
You don't mount samba servers
You just connect to them
(I mean you could but that's a really bad idea)
also
is connecting to a networking using a VM any different?
it's not detecting any devices
You may need to enable it in the host settings
Ah.
For some reason it can’t see it. It’s an openmediavault server
Idk why
Are you using the correct format for the server name? It should be smb://[ip]/[sambashare] using the name of the share, not the server
If you don't know the name of the share you can find it with smbclient -L [ip]
I fixed the problem, but thanks! In the web gui for omv, I set up the share, but there was a master toggle for all smb cifs that was off by default. So I flipped that.
Ah that explains it
Then, under the network tab of dolphin, I clicked smb shares, clicked my server (it showed up as “pserver - SMB CIFS”) and then added it to the Places sidebar. And it shows up nicely.
And when I first clicked the shared folder, which was named ’’’media’’’ it asked for the username and password. I typed them in and hit remember. It all works now
Perfect.
I have my samba manually configured using smbd so it was a little more complicated. Selecting the server from "network" just gave an error, I had to enter the address manually.
That is interesting. Why would you configure it manually? So it wouldn’t show up by default on the network?
I'm using a very stripped down version of Linux, no gui at all on my server.
I only connect by SSH.
There's a gpu in it to get it to pass post but it's... less than ideal
Based
You ever hear of DMS-59?
I have not.
Although, for a lot of things, connecting by only ssh wouldn’t be too hard
But I do love the openmediavault web gui
It's a godawful connector, and the only one on the gpu
Is it an ancient gpu?
Oh
It's from the xeon v1 era
I’ve seen those
I thought it was the connector instead of pci/pcie
At my church we have a veryyy old amd gpu with that
The issue with them isn't that they only connect using a splitter to DVI, it's the pin density is so high the slightest impact or force on the connector breaks the plastic and destroys the port.
It also doesn't help that it looks like a DVI cable would fit, so people try to force them on there all the time.
graphics card?





