You probably need to add the repo.
#linux-and-android
rotund dirge
nocturne dragon
So, I must've messed up that step then
rotund dirge
Fal, what repo did you add?
nocturne dragon
Oh...
fallow belfry
.
nocturne dragon
I just went into settings and the repo isn't showing there anymore
rotund dirge
lol
fallow belfry
Oh, well that's an issue lol
nocturne dragon
yea
one sec
I will try adding it back
hmm
I added it again, it popped a message to reload, it reloaded, and then, when going into settings, there is only these repos:
Here is what I have now, I am just supposed to hit the "ok" button now, right?
rotund dirge
Fal would know more than me there.
I feel like it should be a specific repo though, shouldn’t it?
nocturne dragon
I am assuming it is my user error so I am double checking, lol.
I am not the brightest at this stuff yet as you can see.
I generally don't know how you two feel about being mentioned so I am hoping he saw all of that.
fallow belfry
Yeah I'm looking into it
rotund dirge
I don’t mind. Not sure about Fal.
fallow belfry
I get pinged all the time as a mod anyway lol
nocturne dragon
Alright, I am going to make this dummy proof and hit nothing to make sure I am ready if there is anything specific I need to do. I will leave where I am at (shown in last screenshot) alone so I don't mess anything up.
(me being the dummy here)
nocturne dragon
I get pinged all the time as a mod anyway lol
Is it difficult to be a mod with a server this big? There are tons of users/chats.
fallow belfry
There's plenty of mods, and bots do most of the heavy lifting
rotund dirge
Fal you have any luck?
I don’t have a debian install handy on me atm.
So I can’t do any testing.
fallow belfry
I know what needs to be done, I just need the proper address
rotund dirge
You mean from Feren’s repos?
nocturne dragon
Is it safe to assume I didn't mess up on my end at least?
fallow belfry
Nah there's nothing to mess up so far
nocturne dragon
Okay good
I am definitely making sure I learn from whatever ends up happening in case I want to do something similar with a different distro and desktop for my family as well.
(we have another computer or two that could benefit from some Linux distros due to very aged hardware such as laptops)
nocturne dragon
I don’t have a debian install handy on me atm.
I never really got an opportunity to ask you but what distribution, DE, etc. do you personally use?
I always wonder how much different power users think about their desktop use
dusk kernel
ARGH!!!! An actual Linux-related conversation happened.... and I was busy! ARGH! .
dusk kernel
Not that I have anything meaningful to add.... LOL
nocturne dragon
Trying to figure out something before I commit to trying it on an actual install on my system
fallow belfry
Yeah, you don't happen to know the address for the feren repositories so you? Lol
rotund dirge
I never really got an opportunity to ask you but what distribution, DE, etc. do ...
Haha I use a lot. My work PC has Manjaro with XFCE, my school laptop has PopOS with Gnome. My servers used to run Gentoo with plasma, but now run Debian with no DE.
I use OpenSUSE/CentOS before they borked for my apps.
nocturne dragon
Haha I use a lot. My work PC has Manjaro with XFCE, my school laptop has PopOS w...
regular gnome or what comes with Pop
rotund dirge
When I sent them out to the world.
rotund dirge
regular gnome or what comes with Pop
Pop gnome is regular gnome.
Just themed with extensions.
nocturne dragon
Yeah, you don't happen to know the address for the feren repositories so you? Lo...
I am trying to help you search for it but I keep getting documentation of when it was based on Linux Mint
dusk kernel
I see an article about Feren repo's changing but it's from 2019 so probably not helpful...
https://ferenos.weebly.com/news/moving-on-with-the-feren-os-repositories
fallow belfry
Ok I'm taking the long approach and installing feren into a vm so I can get the repos 😩
nocturne dragon
Wait...
I could've gotten you the repo address that way...
I already had it in a VM...
rotund dirge
Rip.
rotund dirge
Would be in sources.list
nocturne dragon
I already have it booted
fallow belfry
Install synaptic and you can see it in the same format
nocturne dragon
kk
nocturne dragon
rotund dirge
Those are just Ubuntu’s repos lmfao.
Maybe Fal has Ubuntu?
Which is why it popped up for him?
What do you think @fallow belfry
nocturne dragon
A reminder that this was the first thing said my you when you came here. Xd
rotund dirge
I mean, it does.
nocturne dragon
I am kidding
rotund dirge
It’s just they might just reuse repos lmfao.
fallow belfry
Tbf this isn't a novice thing
nocturne dragon
just funny how that jinxed us
Welp, I found the feren os dev email by accident so that is nice
rotund dirge
Apparently the ferenOS theme is a snap
So you can just install the snap store, which PopOS should have.
And search it on there.
nocturne dragon
Wait, would it be on the snap store?
rotund dirge
According to canonical it is.
Hmm it might only be for snaps.
But I gotta do essay.
dusk kernel
Linux > essay. 😉
wait.... unless it's an essay ABOUT Linux, then essay = Linux. heh heh
rotund dirge
I know lol
nocturne dragon
I have installed snapd and am installing snap-store now
I can't tell if this is working or not because my terminal just stops:
after that
fallow belfry
I found the repositories
nocturne dragon
I found the repositories
Alright, what should I do now?
Also, I just thought of something. Is it possible to accidentally revert to your first ever snapshot which causes you to lose your later snapshots?
fallow belfry
Your later snapshots will still be there
nocturne dragon
Your later snapshots will still be there
Honestly, that is very cool.
fallow belfry
I'm running a few things so I can copy/paste the addresses, hopefully it runs fast
nocturne dragon
Ah okay
dusk kernel
Don't you mean essay == Linux?
LOL... yeah... ya caught me.... BUSTED! LOL
nocturne dragon
I'm running a few things so I can copy/paste the addresses, hopefully it runs fa...
What are you running out of curiosity? Is it just a script for getting them?
fallow belfry
https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal/raw/master
https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-neon-focal/raw/master
Both should be stable distribution and main sections, try entering those on your synaptic
I don't know why they're not showing up in the sources.list but that should be it
fallow belfry
Yeah, see if that sticks after the update
fallow belfry
If not there's another thing to try
nocturne dragon
hitting ok now
And...
they are gone :/
is it because I am only filling in the URl field or something?
fallow belfry
https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal
https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-neon-focal
Raw distro, master section
Yeah the distro and section have to be filled out too
rotund dirge
LOL
fallow belfry
Yeah, those tell the package manager where to look for packages at the given url
fallow belfry
Live and learn, we've all done this lol
nocturne dragon
Okay, so, to avoid any more screw ups. Exactly what should I type in the other two fields?
rotund dirge
The first time you try something, it’ll take you hours.
But when you gotta do it again, instant.
It’s the learning that people find intimidating
fallow belfry
https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal
https://gitlab.com/feren-os...
.
Distribution: Raw
Section: Master
rotund dirge
Was just about to write that lol.
nocturne dragon
It’s the learning that people find intimidating
Very fair points. First time setting up games in the living room took me 5 and a half hours. I then bricked the install because of KDE (another story for another time) and managed to get everything running again in 30 minutes tops.
rotund dirge
I’m interested now. I gotta see how the ferenOS theme is.
Because you’ve been invested for a while now.
fallow belfry
It reminds me of macos
fallow belfry
Well, as much as 11 is a copy of mac lol
nocturne dragon
Distribution: Raw
Section: Master
Would that be the same thing I would type for the github link from earlier if I wanted to do it that way?
fallow belfry
The github link from earlier won't work
nocturne dragon
I am asking because I tried it out of curiosity and got this just to see if I was the problem:
Anyways, doing it the proper way now
:/
undone lichen
linux things
fallow belfry
Temporarily unavailable, fun
nocturne dragon
This one isn't my fault, yeah?
fallow belfry
Try lowercase "r" maybe?
nocturne dragon
oh, lowercase "r" in raw?
nocturne dragon
I changed the case to lowercase in the distribution section which was the only place with Raw and it didn't attempt to reload.
doing a manual reload.
Same thing:
fallow belfry
Try stable for distribution
fallow belfry
I'll be back in a bit
rotund dirge
If master doesn’t work, set to main
nocturne dragon
That didn't work either.
Would it help to share my screen over discord?
I can stream only the VM
rotund dirge
I’m in bed.
nocturne dragon
oh
undone lichen
also you dont have streaming perms
nocturne dragon
nah, you good
nocturne dragon
also you dont have streaming perms
didn't even think about that...
So used to simply going into a friend's discord and streaming what they need to see or having them stream for me what I need to see to help them
habits
undone lichen
if everything else network related is working fine
the repo could just be down
but idk im pretty sure stuff like this usually has mirrors galore
so you could try hunting for a different repo? maybe? idk exactly what youre trying to do, but im also not a super linux whiz, so i cant reeeeeally be all that helpful
rotund dirge
Ok 1 have 1 more idea.
nocturne dragon
Ok 1 have 1 more idea.
shoot.
At this point, I am continuing to try to get this accomplished simply because I have been trying to do it for so long that I am now committed to doing it
rotund dirge
URI: https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal
Distribution: focal
Section: stable
If that doesn't work, try:
Distribution: stable
Section: focal
nocturne dragon
That is the one that Fal posted
just with different distribution and section sections
rotund dirge
Yeah that matters lol.
nocturne dragon
(he also posted a second one to do alongside it)
nocturne dragon
I tried that and with the distribution and section flipped
neither of those worked either :/
nocturne dragon
Error 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable
rotund dirge
Does this VM have internet?
nocturne dragon
It shows "Wired Connected" at the top right
rotund dirge
Go to a web page.
nocturne dragon
inside the VM OS
nocturne dragon
Youtube loaded fine
rotund dirge
You could try doing this instead
Use nano or another editor to edit /etc/apt/sources.list
Make sure to use sudo
rotund dirge
Yeah, when you do it from apt it doesn't need to sign in.
It should give you a sign in page
nocturne dragon
Okay, how do I check if nano is installed? Do I just type "nano" and see if I get an error message (I am assuming)?
rotund dirge
Yep.
rotund dirge
sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
Paste this in:
deb https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal/raw/master stable main software
Press CTRL+O to save, then CTRL+X to close
Then type:
sudo apt update
Let me know the result of the update line
Sorry messed up the save button, it's CTRL+O
nocturne dragon
yea?
rotund dirge
Add that to end of this line:
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys
Space after the recv-keys
Not the NO_PUBKEY
The thing that starts with E and ends with 688
nocturne dragon
Wait, what do you mean to the end of the line?
rotund dirge
Add that after the --recv-keys
nocturne dragon
rotund dirge
Apparently this is the proper fix:
sudo rm -f /usr/share/keyrings/feren-os.key
sudo wget https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories/raw/master/repositories/public.key -O /usr/share/keyrings/feren-os.key
sudo /usr/bin/apt-key — keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/feren-os.gpg add /usr/share/keyrings/feren-os.key
sudo apt update
So try that
Run each command in order
fallow belfry
I'm back
rotund dirge
I found the proper repos
Not through synaptics, but through apt.
But it's being a pain and wants the gpg key.
fallow belfry
Fun stuff
rotund dirge
ferenOS doesn't seem to be very popular. Their website is a weebly.
nocturne dragon
That is a "-O" on the second line up there instead of a "-0", yeah?
strong plover
A long one too
rotund dirge
the apt-key line is wrong
nocturne dragon
Was I supposed to select an option at the second to last (the command before updating) command?
Wait, where?
rotund dirge
It gave an error
No idea what is wrong about it though lol.
Ah it's --keyring
The command I copied has 1 minus
And a space in between.
nocturne dragon
wait...
rotund dirge
sudo /usr/bin/apt-key --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/feren-os.gpg add /usr/share/keyrings/feren-os.key
nocturne dragon
so the typo was in what I manually copied?
rotund dirge
You should be able to press up on the keyboard and edit the line you wrote.
Just that one line.
Where it has the keyring part, change - keyring to --keyring
nocturne dragon
so, just sudo apt update now?
fallow belfry
You can ignore the "deprecated" message if it still says OK
rotund dirge
It might fail.
Because that line is supposed to write in a feren keyring that's supposed to exist maybe?
idk
nocturne dragon
rotund dirge
oh fun
rotund dirge
Try this.
nocturne dragon
Is there just a default setting in Pop_Os blocking me from even attempting to connect to it?
fallow belfry
Because that line is supposed to write in a feren keyring that's supposed to exi...
The wget retrieved that file
rotund dirge
use nano to go back into /etc/apt/sources.list
And edit this:
deb https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal/raw/master stable main software
to say this:
deb [trusted=yes] https://gitlab.com/feren-os/feren-repositories-focal/raw/master stable main software
It's not recommended.
But we need to get this working at this point LOL.
Then sudo apt update
fallow belfry
Not recommended on production systems at least, home systems can stand a tiny bit less security
rotund dirge
I mean, these are ferenOS official repos.
nocturne dragon
fallow belfry
Exactly, all that's less secure is the connection
nocturne dragon
Wait, so I should be able to do this finally?
fallow belfry
Expired key, that's the issue
rotund dirge
Yep, by doing trusted=yes, it ignores the gpg key.
fallow belfry
It may also be called feren-theme
rotund dirge
So run sudo apt search feren-theme and sudo search feren-os-theme and come back with results.
nocturne dragon
fallow belfry
Try feren-theme
Did you get kde plasma installed yet?
rotund dirge
It is feren-theme
sudo apt list | grep -in plasma will tell you if plasma is installed
nocturne dragon
I assume this is confirmation
fallow belfry
sudo apt-get install feren-theme
nocturne dragon
done
fallow belfry
Then when you reboot, there should be a selector to choose what DE to load when you sign in
Next to your user name
nocturne dragon
rebooting now
rotund dirge
Apparently we aren't supposed to use apt-get anymore.
We are supposed to use apt
No idea why.
nocturne dragon
Nope, perhaps I am incorrect
fallow belfry
Pffft it calls the same thing, just a different way
nocturne dragon
Let me recheck to make sure plasma is installed
thankfully, that is the easiest part of all of this
fallow belfry
Yeah kde is universal package so easiest part
nocturne dragon
I told it to install and now it is installing so I must've reverted to a snapshot and forgot
I know we installed it earlier
rotund dirge
Oof that's gonna take a while
nocturne dragon
nah, 40% done already
rotund dirge
Apparently the command to check if it was installed was sudo apt list --installed | grep -in plasma
Oops.
nocturne dragon
(Comcast has a monopoly on internet where I Iive and drove other internet service providers away from us so they force us to pay for business class internet)
70%
80%
done
rotund dirge
Did it finish installing?
nocturne dragon
50% done unpacking though
rotund dirge
Plasma takes FOREVER to unpack and install.
fallow belfry
Yeah the unpacking and building will take a while
nocturne dragon
Ryzen is so nice for tasks like this
rotund dirge
Does it need to build on Ubuntu based systems?
fallow belfry
Guess not 
rotund dirge
You know, you probably should have installed the ferenOS plasma package
Probs would have loaded with theme and everything already good to go.
rotund dirge
Now you gotta theme manually.
nocturne dragon
Should it already be available in the themes section?
rotund dirge
Yeah.
fallow belfry
Eh, themes are easy enough
And this way you can disable the insecure repository when you're done and still get updates for kde
nocturne dragon
actually, I don't see it under themes
I can just install through konsole tho, right?
fallow belfry
Did it start with the plasma desktop when you rebooted?
nocturne dragon
Nope, had to hit the gear icon in bottom right
and select it
after clicking my profile
fallow belfry
Ah so at least you can load it
nocturne dragon
Also, it uninstalled my terminal without installing konsole so now I have to wait for konsole to finish installing
rotund dirge
Might need feren-themer and feren-themer-plasma
nocturne dragon
¯_(ツ)_/¯
rotund dirge
Ah you installed plasma core.
nocturne dragon
apparently
rotund dirge
Makes sense why it was so fast.
fallow belfry
Possibly. They might be unlabeled dependencies
rotund dirge
Also feren-theme-colouriser and feren-theme-colouriser-plasma-feren
fallow belfry
So sudo apt-get install feren-themer feren-themer-plasma feren-theme-colouriser feren-theme-colouriser-plasma-feren
And if it says it'll install more than about 10 packages just say no lol
rotund dirge
Thanks Fal, got off again and I’m getting back to bed.
fallow belfry
K, g'night and take care of that bed rash 😆
nocturne dragon
Thanks guys
rotund dirge
wait did it work?
nocturne dragon
Uhh
I didn't want to disappoint
but can't find it
:P
I know it is installed
just not where
I will figure out where it is out and set it up tomorrow
you guys deserve to get some rest and I am getting tired too
nocturne dragon
Thank you again so much for all of your help!
true void
very
fallow belfry
I'll dig around that vm and see if I can find it. Ping me when you're back on, or DM me
nocturne dragon
You guys have made me feel very welcome and helped me learn a lot that will help me as I start moving things over completely onto a new system install.
@fallow belfry Will do!
tulip reef
imagine being on linux
nocturne dragon
@fallow belfry I am back on and available whenever you are
Ping me back and I will be here
nocturne dragon
imagine being on linux
Quick question: Why bother typing that?
rotund dirge
Because they’re sheep.
rotund dirge
Quick question: Why bother typing that?
They can’t do anything, but follow the mainstream lol.
nocturne dragon
They can’t do anything, but follow the mainstream lol.
It is just so disappointing.
rotund dirge
What can you do, can’t teach someone who chooses to be ignorant.
nocturne dragon
I don't even think it is that
It feels more like it is said because they don't like that other people can have a positive experience about something they feel negatively about which is just very saddening to see.
rotund dirge
I mean, I can’t respond to that, because I joke a lot about that.
Not Linux, but other things.
I used to joke a lot more about windows, and nowadays I bash Tesla a lot.
nocturne dragon
Tbf, Tesla's are objectively bad in a lot of ways
The gaps on the body panels for instance look like how you would expect a secretly wrecked and repaired gas vehicle to be.
Most of the time, the gaps between the tires to the fender wells are very uneven around the car as well. They simply aren't made well, are overpriced, and even require subscriptions for some of the features built into the vehicle to work.
rotund dirge
I’m not gonna go into it, I’ve gone into it many times in #general-chat
Including last night.
But yeah QC is one of the reasons.
nocturne dragon
fair
frank steeple
imagine being on linux
Deleting all Linux from the world
Please retrieve anything you need from cloud storage while it is still active
mortal totem
how did we manage to start tesla convo in here
frank steeple
Remember to buy postage stamps so you can keep in touch with loved ones
Check with your local government to see where your smartphone material recovery center is
mortal totem
lmao bob
frank steeple
Please remember that in case of emergency, 911 will no longer be able to accept calls. Please use one of these complementary flares to call for help
If you run out of flares, please fire a green flare and we should have a new set of emergency flares to you within a week
We recommend buying a copy of a good encyclopedia for reference purposes before Google shuts down
nocturne dragon
@frank steeple I completely didn't think about the fact of the matter that basically everything they use has a connection to Linux as well...
frank steeple
The whole world runs on the shoulder of Linux. Windows and Mac is just the facade
nocturne dragon
haha not necessarily wrong
100% of the worlds best supercomputers run on Linux and over 90% of servers
frank steeple
Don't forget the switches in the internet backbone, the cell towers, and the landline system
And most satellites
kind panther
imagine being on linux
Imagine being dumb enough to not be able to use linux
Couldnt be me
kind panther
The whole world runs on the shoulder of Linux. Windows and Mac is just the facad...
If linux really gets wiped off the face of the earth today itll be like we in the mid 20th century again
frank steeple
I dunno, maybe even earlier
A good part of the power grid runs on Linux too. Some areas will be 19th century
kind panther
Hmm fair fair
nocturne dragon
Hmm, as much as I am glad that Linux and systems similar to Linux such as Unix have gotten as much attention as they have, I think a lot of things are overly reliant on it
For instance, why is major infrastructure in the US running it and even, in some cases, connected to the internet directly?
Power Stations, Water infrastructure, etc. shouldn't be exclusively computer controlled imo as that means it is vulnerable to attacks from across the globe without requiring access to these things directly.
kind panther
Doesn't have to be connected to the net to run linux
nocturne dragon
Yes, but most US infrastructure is (and shouldn't be)
The temptation wouldn't even exist if the said infrastructure wasn't computer controlled to begin with.
Also, since they are computer controlled only with no mechanical work arounds really, a single EMP or such could disable a lot of infrastructure in the US
frank steeple
For instance, why is major infrastructure in the US running it and even, in some...
Means you can have off-site monitoring and control
nocturne dragon
True. However, you can't be sure you are the only one with said ability and, even if you could prevent control from outside influence directly, they could simply obtain a computer with access from someone that works there then, no?
I am just saying it is filled with unnecessary vulnerabilities
vs a system that requires them to be on site
rotund dirge
Man I missed on adding on to rant. 😦
strong plover
I wish I’d been on too
rotund dirge
Should get your money out of the bank before that shuts down too since banks run on Linux as well.
strong plover
Oh yeah
rotund dirge
Can’t even watch your account hit 0 since those servers that retrieve the data run Linux.
At that point, there is no account.
strong plover
Basically all my stuff is reliant on Linux in some way
I wonder if Microsoft servers run window or Linux
frank steeple
True. However, you can't be sure you are the only one with said ability and, eve...
Technically yes but it usually isn't worth it
frank steeple
I wonder if Microsoft servers run window or Linux
A mix
fallow belfry
@nocturne dragon I tried searching for a way to do the theme but I think the best way will be to install kde plasma and install the theme through snapd. That way you don't need to mess with repositories at all. (Told you they get messy lol)
zealous lantern
It's funny that Windows runs any aspect of Linux, considering it's literally Windows.
nocturne dragon
That is honestly one of the reasons that considering to upgrade the Win 10 install I have to 11 is actually on the table. I don't think I could bring myself to make it my main system once I switch to Linux but I likely will still require a single Windows install at least.
I get access to better Linux features implemented well in Windows, I get more modern, rounded applications and themes, and I get better access to window management features that I like such as being able to hover over the maximize button to easily manage my window placement on the desktop.
zealous lantern
How long until you intend to switch to Linux?
strong plover
mortal totem
Ok I accidentally booted debian and apparently i have a firmware failed to load i915 error
Oh wait
I think i know what it is
yep got it
true void
mtmtmty
rotund dirge
Ok I accidentally booted debian and apparently i have a firmware failed to load ...
Interesting, aren’t those drivers built into the kernel?
strong plover
Is it somehow possible to run a Mac program on Linux? ForScore.
mortal totem
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mortal totem
None that i know of but there may be alternatives
strong plover
What about open bsd
Or will I get banned if I talk about openbsd
Wait i thought Mac was Unix, like Linux is
frank steeple
Linux technically isn't unix anymore, just unix based
frank steeple
Mac though is fully unix certified
strong plover
Is Linux not?
frank steeple
Nope
strong plover
Ah okay
frank steeple
I'll also throw out that the gnu->Linux line probably should be dotted in that graph
frank steeple
Yeah, the Linux doesn't depend on gnu anywhere near as much as Stallman would like people to believe
zealous lantern
According to this, Microsoft owned Xenix OS.
Did Xenix fork into Windows, or is this for their server side?
But which is Minix?
sleek halo
Did Xenix fork into Windows, or is this for their server side?
Xenix was discontinued
zealous lantern
Is Xenix unrelated to Windows?
sleek halo
Completely
sleek halo
No
Early versions of Windows required MS-DOS to boot into Windows
and later versions included MS-DOS inside of Windows
zealous lantern
Oh, okay, so MS-DOS did evolve into Windows, or does the latter still need the former?
sleek halo
Windows was separate
zealous lantern
As in Windows operates without MS-DOS as of... the 3 family?
sleek halo
3.1 NT I do believe
zealous lantern
oh right
sleek halo
Windows 1.0 was a multitasking shell ran on top of an MS-DOS installation
zealous lantern
3.1 NT, which is the one that evolved into 2000 and XP onwards?
while 3.1 without NT evolved into 95, 98, ME, and the 9x family?
sleek halo
No
Windows NT 3.1 was the first release of Windows NT
everything after that was called Windows NT
zealous lantern
So 3.1 NT and 3.1 are not the same?
sleek halo
1.0 to 3.1 was just called Windows
zealous lantern
oh okay
there was also a 9x family
but where did that come from?
oh okay
was confuse for a sec
sleek halo
Actually yeah 9X was on its own
sleek halo
What?
zealous lantern
no it was a different thing
i'll ask in the windows channel
it was about a port
ripe knotBOT
GuyInABlueShirt#9163 has been warned
rotund dirge
So, our system can’t use anything above postresql 11 because after PG 11, they remove oids on tables. So for giggles, I would install postgresql 13 on Debian and load the Postgres bindings gem for Ruby, called pg. And it would work flawlessly. But when I reinstalled the OS and installed Postgres 11, all of a sudden, the gem could not communicate with the server at all. Even when uninstalling postgre 11 and installing PG 13, it would still not work. So I tried reinstalling the OS, installing PostG 13 first, the uninstalling PGres 13, and then installing POsgres 11, and the gem worked flawlessly. What’s the issue here?
@frank steeple
Sorry for the weird name for Postgres constantly. I got a duplicates Mee6 message.
TLDR: installing PostG 11 out of the box caused the gem not to work. Installing PGres 13 and then PosG 11 works fine. Installing PG 11, uninstalling, and installing PG 13 doesn’t work.
rotund dirge
Nah.
rotund dirge
docker time?
I just don’t understand why it worked that way and was wondering if you knew.
frank steeple
weird dependency fun time
true void
wait thats the joke
strong plover
It’s a good joke
rotund dirge
Oh well, as long as it works I suppose.
true void
yoooooo im in class now and I fixed mint before we had an assignment
engineer gaming +10000000 extra credit
strong plover
Noice
true void
omg hi
strong plover
omg hi!!
strong plover
Desktop environment queen
nocturne dragon
How long until you intend to switch to Linux?
It depends. I have been clearing up space nonstop for about 2 days now. I am giving half of my 2TB M.2 drive to be the operating system drive, giving it my entire 4TB hard drive, and then leaving my hybrid drive 2TB for Windows with the other half of the M.2 as the C:// drive. Sadly, I have to keep my Windows install for some very specific games, VR content, etc.
Sorry for the late response btw!
zealous lantern
No worries about the response, as I forgot I posted my question. But it's pretty unfortunate you need to retain Windows.
How much do you intend to give to Windows; 1TB?
1TB doesn't sound that bad for a secondary Windows install.
sleek halo
:)
zealous lantern
My Linux install will get 4-5TB total.
Excellent. It's probably safer that way if you make it so.
merry badger
Quick question: Currently instaling Arch and I'm having some issues with the wifi. systemctl shows both NetworkManager.service as well as wpa_supplicant.service as running. Will they cause issues with one another?
merry badger
just password
and I did configure that earlier on archiso using iwd but for some reason now that I am in the actual system without the boot medium I have no connection
So I'm following the wiki rn
true void
when I was installing arch I was on school wifi and kept having problems w/ that
merry badger
okay, but no, that shouldn't be an issue
merry badger
Got it working
dusk kernel
Since nobody reminded me last month when I requested reminders, I'm just now getting around to upgrading Fedora 33 to 34. chuckle
nocturne dragon
Since I am already switching to Linux and Linux has a lot of appeal for security, most users of it tend to use password managers I have noticed. Are there any password managers you guys would recommend if I can get it setup (have tons of online accounts for lots of different things)?
hazy river
There's many of em around tbh
And linux isn't automatically more secure than any other OSes honestly
It's just less targeted
Windows has way more people using em, and are almost always clueless about things they do so they're easy target
brave isle
I just switched to fedora 35 from windows and I am having a great experience.
brave isle
Since I am already switching to Linux and Linux has a lot of appeal for security...
I am using KeePassXC and I keep the database file on my synology nas so I can access it anywhere.
frank steeple
Basically diy LastPass
dusk kernel
The Fedora 33 -> 34 upgrade seems to have not gone 100% well. I'm having some graphics issues that I didn't have before. Specifically I can't start the NVIDIA setting application, and changing some things, e.g., font sizes, via the KDE System Settings application will give me a blank screen. I just use the reset button at that point.
This is what I get when trying to run the NVIDIA Settings application...
$ nvidia-settings ERROR: Unable to find display on any available system
Many of the solutions for that involve tinkering with Secure Boot because apparently the NVIDIA driver isn't recognized and isn't running. But.... doesn't this mean that the NVIDIA driver is in use, and therefore Secure Boot isn't the problem?
$ lsmod | grep nvidia nvidia_drm 69632 6 nvidia_modeset 1200128 6 nvidia_drm nvidia_uvm 1175552 0 nvidia 35332096 684 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset drm_kms_helper 303104 1 nvidia_drm drm 630784 10 drm_kms_helper,nvidia,nvidia_drm
Any thoughts on the obvious thing I'm missing?
true void
do you have secure boot On
dusk kernel
No, that's off.
My best guess at this point is that I need to reinstall the NVIDIA drivers.
dusk kernel
Hmmm.... looks like I have v470.74 of the NVIDIA drivers, but current is 470.82
dusk kernel
To get the X11 session back...
KDE System Settings
Startup and Shutdown
Login Screen (SDDM)
Behavior... [near the bottom]
Choose "Plasma (X11)" [top right]
dusk kernel
Too late. Done. Fixed.
dusk kernel
No, not exactly your specialty because a DE isn't the same thing as a window manager.
This is the first search result, might not be the best or most authoritative explanation...
https://askubuntu.com/questions/18078/what-is-the-difference-between-a-desktop-environment-and-a-window-manager
dusk kernel
Aaaahhh.... well not everyone does. I've been doing this linux stuff for a long time and I doubt I could give a good explanation of the difference even though I have a basic understanding of how they differ heh heh
The only reason I pointed it out is so you didn't feel like you didn't recognize "your specialty." 😄
dusk kernel
But now I'm mad at Fedora. I don't have any problem with them changing the WM with the new installs of the new version (34, but 35 was just released)... but for upgrades it should have stayed with what the user was using.
I've never used Wayland.... but now I have for a few hours and it wasn't stable for me. E.g., when I tried to change font sizes, the screen went black and all I could do was reset to get the system back.
That issue might not be present with a fresh install though.
dusk kernel
That issue might not be present with a fresh install though.
But this.
strong plover
Yoooo I just got the blackmagic intensity pro 4K working on our church’s Ubuntu studio Linux computer
It wasn’t hard, just install the card and then the software
But dude
I was told stuff like this would be painful in Linux
Worked with obs easily too
Now I wanna buy one for me
It’s almost infinitely better than the elgato hd60pro. It doesn’t have a hardware encoder, but we have a 6c 12t 10th gen i5
(So software encoder isn’t too hard on resources)
The main thing is that it has an audio capture jack,and the audio from the soundboard synced perfectly with the video from the camera
I’m so happy
fallow belfry
Who said it would be hard in linux? If there's native software it's usually a cinch
strong plover
Reviews on Amazon (but honestly I can’t trust those cause amazon reviewers are dumb) and a video by Chris Titus tech, and then a few not well known guys on YouTube saying how tricky it was
But the software was super easy to use. Literally double click it.
strong plover
is there a way on linux to play spotify while my JACK audio is running? I need to listen to this song and play along on my keyboard, but when i start jack spotify is silent
Or my internet browser. Neither of them work with Jack going
true void
magical virtual machine or something
strong plover
No :( virtual machine still has to use host audio
And Jack takes control all the way from Alda
Alsa*
true void
yes it has to be magical
true void
b u tthat wouod require a laptop
strong plover
@true void when did you join wegg
true void
i dodnt know i think around december 2020
strong plover
Oh wow
You’ve been here awhile
I have a hot key for that now
On my phone actually
I type weggt
Like this
true void
very wise exactly as i would expect v proud good job
true void
strong plover
What does it say
sacred totem
linux users when they remove all doors from their car (it's bloat)
strong plover
More like taking the hubcaps and windows off
true void
convertible
fallow belfry
linux users when they remove all doors from their car (it's bloat)
Easy to do if it's a Jeep
strong plover
Easy to do if it's a Jeep
Easy to do if it’s Linux in general
brave isle
strong plover
https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/qx3q9u/openbox_lilac_other_than_firef...
Man that doesn’t look bad
brave isle
Man that doesn’t look bad
Thanks
strong plover
Also
brave isle
Audio?
strong plover
You’re a girl that uses Linux. Rare. I only know of one other
brave isle
I know quite a few
strong plover
Impressive
brave isle
nah I thought you were gonna say loud volume I get that complaint quite a lot
strong plover
I was having problems with JACK Audio the other day
strong plover
Numerous!!!!!!
No seriously you were the only other person that said they were a girl that I know uses Linux. And I know tons of guys who use Linux.
And it’s not like I don’t know a lot of girls either.
true void
bt what if i secretly didn't use linux
strong plover
Either the girls i know use Mac or windows, and several of them don’t use much computer stuff at all
strong plover
bt what if i secretly didn't use linux
Eh you’ve sent too many screenshots and specific comments there’s no way I’d believe you
true void
i have never used a computer in my entire life
also i have no idea how you remember my name but its cool!!
strong plover
i have never used a computer in my entire life
Mhm. Totally believe you first try.
Your name is cool
You’re technically cool
I mean why not
There’s only like a couple hundred active members here
And only like ten Linux people
true void
only like a couple hundred
true void
peopple who occasionaly come in the channel and trash us 
rotund dirge
true void
✨
true void
true void
true void
yes thtats precidslt my wa
ok i apologise
thats precisely what it is
I enhoy this image
strong plover
…and…
true void
sent it as a word substitute!!!!!
strong plover
Precisely
I didn’t get it
I said you were a vulgar little thing and you sent heart with intruder
I’m either blind or you’re hinting
And I don’t get hints
Or else it was random
true void
no it just means nothing
strong plover
Seee
true void
i had it in my images so I hit thesned button
strong plover
Makes sense
true void
the little attachements button right here
true void
rectangle
strong plover
Ye
true void
just a little guy
strong plover
My hands are larger than all the other people I know except one
Little baby gpu
Poor helpless baby
I’m going to dremal tool him
true void
thsie are super fun but i hate the noises they make (i have an extreme aversion to such things )
strong plover
What, dremals?
true void
yes those
true void
ive only ever used one on like uduhhfhhh
wood and also plastic once
v thin metal also
strong plover
true void
i knwo how to use a keyboard i swear
strong plover
Dremals are fun cause they spin so fast
true void
yed but in the process they produce satanic noises!!!
strong plover
Oh don’t worry, I Wasn’t doubting at all.
true void
and not the cool kind!!!!!!!!!
strong plover
yed but in the process they produce satanic noises!!!
Wouldn’t your vulgar little self like those satanic noises
true void
the uhhhhhhhhhhhh
strong plover
and not the cool kind!!!!!!!!!
Ohh I see.
true void
dentist asmr no talking noises
true void
I Will Atomize You
true void
cool!!! I just ate 7 melatonin gummies
strong plover
Knock out
Bam
Asleep instantly
Dudeeee I need so much sleep
I have a choir concert tomorrow
And my voice needs sleep too
true void
You Have a voice??? ghat works???????
strong plover
Yes very much do
true void
that is so cool
true void
no
strong plover
Singing is fun
Also, we’re streaming the concert on YouTube from a LINUX computer at the church. (Had to keep this convo on topic)
strong plover
Yeah we’re streaming it. Mainly so it’s recorded somewhere, but also so people can watch it live
The church is decently big
It’s not huge or anything
It’s my home church.
I’m the only person who actually knows how to stream and set stuff up properly
frank steeple
Also, we’re streaming the concert on YouTube from a LINUX computer at the church...
a LINUX computer at the church
Truly doing god's work
Have you seen Saint IGNUcius?
@fallow belfry
true void
today
strong plover
> a LINUX computer at the church
Truly doing god's work
I agree.
strong plover
<@396513761550270464>
Whose face is that? Linus Torvalds?
strong plover
http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/lux
Totally gonna make this the wallpaper for the church computer
frank steeple
Whose face is that? Linus Torvalds?
That's stallman
nocturne dragon
Finally got a Feren OS install going on my PC and it has been really nice to use so far for the most part 
The only issue I am having is with my Logitech BRIO. Does anyone else use webcams with Debian/Ubuntu based distributions?
I don't know where to even begin searching for answers to solve the issue. I tried looking stuff online but no solutions were found. In fact, several of the forum posts I read from people with the same webcam were inconsistent with half being able to use it with no setup and others not able to use it at all in their distro
rotund dirge
I don't know where to even begin searching for answers to solve the issue. I tri...
Webcams are rough. Up To the manufacturer to open source their drivers or make Linux drivers in the first place
They may not exist.
nocturne dragon
Hmm
Welp, I can accept that I suppose since I have a dual boot setup for now.
Oh yeah, do you guys know anything about drawing tablets? I know I saw ways to get that setup a month ago but cannot find the information again. I know that shouldn't be problematic for the most part.
rotund dirge
Oh yeah, do you guys know anything about drawing tablets? I know I saw ways to g...
It’s not my expertise unfortunately. But Reddit usually has good info on Linux compatible stuff.
rotund dirge
I use a lot lol.
nocturne dragon
oh
lol
In that case, do you know if it is possible to change middle mouse click behavior in KDE Plasma?
rotund dirge
PopOS on laptop, Manjaro on work PC, Gentoo and Debian for servers, OpenSUSE on production systems/workstations.
nocturne dragon
I didn't realize I used the middle click and drag to scroll that much in Windows and it would be nice to try to setup something similar in my distro
rotund dirge
In that case, do you know if it is possible to change middle mouse click behavio...
Hmm, that’s a good question. I want to say yes, there’s a file to do it, but I don’t remember where.
nocturne dragon
I got an extension for my browser which added it into that only
rotund dirge
This might have been gnome though.
nocturne dragon
oh okay
Seriously, thank you all so much for your help over the past month or so to help me dip my toes in
rotund dirge
When I last modified a DE to do something with the mouse, I had to modify a file.
I’m like 90% sure that was gnome though.
nocturne dragon
Ah okay. I will admit, I am still mostly experimenting with my distro atm. May go Zorin simply because I think it has stuff like that and modify its custom gnome desktop following some tutorials
Currently, I have Feren OS setup with its root setup into my M.2 and a 3TB hard drive setup as home (with a boot & swap partitions on the M.2 as well) and am uncertain if I am going to leave it like this. I am loving it though so I will decide soon.
rotund dirge
Not bad.
I am not much of a distro hopper anymore.
I used to do it a lot, but there’s no point.
nocturne dragon
I guess that is true.
I do have one question: When a distro dev stops supporting a distro version, can you simply update it to the newest one and keep your files or is that generally when it is time to wipe everything?
I genuinely have no idea what happens when a Linux distro reaches end of life status for them to focus on later versions they released.
rotund dirge
I do have one question: When a distro dev stops supporting a distro version, can...
Depends. You can usually upgrade to a version where things are supported.
Or if the distro has been dropped completely, it’s time to change.
Like CentOS for example.
mortal totem
😦
nocturne dragon
Ah, that makes sense then
nocturne dragon
I finally found a major gripe with default Feren that I really must change and I know it is something I can. The problem is that I am unfamiliar with how to do it in plasma.
It has a top panel with the time on it, I both like and dislike it. My main issue is that, when I hover over it, it appears over my open programs making it so I cannot click that part of my screen inside of the program rather than clicking on that time part of the upper panel. Can someone help me find where the option to make it unable to appear by hovering over it is?
I have already made some minor changes to the appearance of my desktop but the time panel appearing has become frustrating at best and I really am going to have to fix that.
nocturne dragon
Like CentOS for example.
What happened to CentOS? I don't know much about that distro to begin with but now I am highly curious.
rotund dirge
I have already made some minor changes to the appearance of my desktop but the t...
That’s interesting lol.
Does that panel show up all the time?
rotund dirge
I’m sure there’s a setting for it.
nocturne dragon
I am too but I don't know where to look
rotund dirge
What happened to CentOS? I don't know much about that distro to begin with but n...
IBM shut it down essentially.
nocturne dragon
I opened up the settings for the panel but it doesn't look like it is there directly
rotund dirge
CentOS 8 had an EOL for 2029, but they shortened it to 2021 and shut the project down.
nocturne dragon
nocturne dragon
CentOS 8 had an EOL for 2029, but they shortened it to 2021 and shut the project...
Oh... that's rough. I assume it wasn't super popular?
nocturne dragon
That's... weird
rotund dirge
Redhat for personal use.
rotund dirge
Honestly, that’s not a KDE thing.
It’s an app installed with feren.
Idk what the app is though.
Maybe it’ll say if you right click it or something?
It also could just be a KDE widget.
nocturne dragon
It is a KDE widget
but they put it on a panel that they adjusted to not show anything but the time/calendar and notifications arrow
It used to have notifications drop down arrow with it up there but I moved it to the far right of the bottom panel
(to the left of the show desktop widget)
rotund dirge
Dope so you got it working?
nocturne dragon
Nope
Just pointing out what it is and changes I have previously made. I can't find the setting for panels other than the more options button.
I want to make it so hovering doesn't cause it to use a behavior to appear over windows.
Update: I found a workaround since I can't find what I want to change. I simply shrunk the panel enough that I can close my tabs without it interfering.
The panel no longer appears when I click the x but if I hover over the panel a little higher I can still use it.
strong plover
CentOS 8 had an EOL for 2029, but they shortened it to 2021 and shut the project...
Wait i just randomly opened this, is centos no longer a thing then?
nocturne dragon
Apparently not.
Why would a software be an editor's pick and also not be available?
Everything else in the store seems fine.
dusk kernel
It has a top panel with the time on it, I both like and dislike it. My main issu...
Have you tried RT-clicking the panel to get to the settings?
nocturne dragon
I honestly can't remember now but I ended up distro hopping as more and more minor issues started to pile up to the point I wanted to make sure it wasn't just that distro. Thankfully, I was just starting out with that so I can now make sure no other distros act that way before I decide on one to start with.
(I couldn't even get my Bluetooth adapter to work properly without error messages and that was what made me finally decide to try something else as it looked like it would be a pain to fix)
The weird part of this being that I have the exact same USB Bluetooth adapter on the living room home theater PC and it isn't experiencing any issues in Zorin OS
true void
strong plover
What’s that file even
true void
wait like
whats so good abt redhat anyway
like i know its for Business
but what makes it so good 4 that purpose
fallow belfry
You get a level of support like windows server
true void
support as in people u can call or support as in it can run things others cant somehow
rotund dirge
support as in people u can call or support as in it can run things others cant s...
Support as in you call people to figure out your issue
Or help setup some sort of server.
strong plover
Honestly that’s pretty cool. So there is something worth paying for.
frank steeple
Enterprise support is incredible
Instead of spending days debugging some weird issue with ipmi in our cluster I could just hop on a call with support and we got it fixed in under an hour
strong plover
I have a question about thunderbird mail. (And if there are better ones, let me know. I didn’t like evolution much cause it wouldn’t actually sync my emails). Anyways, is there a way to sync it with google calendar? I thought it would do that by default, but it’s not appearing to do so. Any suggestions/tips are appreciated
frank steeple
I thought it was default too
strong plover
I’ll have to mess with it more. But if I still have issues expect me back here.
dusk kernel
I think Thunderbird requires this add-on to use Google Calendar:
https://addons.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/
strong plover
Hate windows.
abstract wigeon
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/qzld1o/linux_users_be_like/
im confusion
abstract wigeon
Shooting all the windows
but why and why that linux users
abstract wigeon
Linux users hate windows
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
strong plover
Linux users hate windows.
Cmon pato.
LINUX USERS HATE WINDOWS
Tbh I didn’t get it at first xD
abstract wigeon
Cmon pato.
thought it was a cod specific thing lol#
zinc harness
Its Call of Duty Infinite Warfare used to play the game a lot and recognize the map
strong plover
Impressive
ripe knotBOT
RAWR#8810 has been warned
kind panther
Grrr
kind panther
That map is called terminal and its in like 5 cod games
zinc harness
Oh
kind panther
Modern Warfare 2
Modern Warfare 3
Call of Duty Online
Infinite Warfare
Mobile
Each one featured a different look
zinc harness
Yeah know what that looks more like a modern warfare game
The HUD is different than IW
kind panther
Except mobile which looks like MW2
No sir
Terminal was space themed in IW
The entire map looks drastically different
zinc harness
Alright
kind panther
That game was MW2
zinc harness
Alright
kind panther
This was terminal in IW
zinc harness
Yeah
I didnt think about it being space themed when i assumed it was IW
Then again i havent played it in a looooooong tume
Time*
teal cape
