linux-and-android

[mortal totem]

Taskbar i leave because the hide animation really bothers me, dock i hide, top menu bar i leave

[kind panther]

no taskbar

[bright shell]

I can't function without the taskbar.

[kind panther]

I mean its always a press of the windows key away

lol

just not always in ur face

[frank steeple]

It doesn't even do anything

It just sits there wasting space

[bright shell]

Uhhh

It does a lot of things

[frank steeple]

Like what

Have a clock?

[bright shell]

Like, show you Time and Date, and your open applications, and your Sound and Wi-Fi

[kind panther]

all widgets on the desktop 🤷

[bright shell]

And whether anything is using your Microphone and Location Data

[frank steeple]

I'm sorry, but you should know what programs you have open without needing a constant reminder

[bright shell]

What?

but what if you have like, a lot of things open?

[frank steeple]

Then you should close some of them

Or use workspaces

[bright shell]

But what if you need all of them?

[frank steeple]

Then use workspaces

[bright shell]

Eww, Workspaces are dumb

[kind panther]

alt tab good too

[bright shell]

Having to tab over to an entire new desktop?

[kind panther]

and win+tab

[frank steeple]

Better then having windows spam all over the place

[bright shell]

Alt-Tab is fine, but I don't use it unless I have a Fullscreen Application open (E.x Game)

[frank steeple]

I generally only have a maximum of four or five programs running in a single workspace with a dual monitor setup

[kind panther]

Win key + tab

pulls up all open programs

[frank steeple]

Well, technically I have split workspaces so it's really only two programs per workspace

Sometimes three but that's rare

[kind panther]

and you can click on one to bring it up

[bright shell]

Ehhh, not... exactly KPX

[frank steeple]

Usually it's only one

[bright shell]

Win + Tab is borked on W11

With Dual Monitors

[kind panther]

I can confirm that its not

[bright shell]

It only brings up 1 monitor's worth of apps

Oh

[kind panther]

thats win 11

[frank steeple]

Works as expected for me

[bright shell]

It might be DisplayFusion screwing with things then.

DisplayFusion has spoiled me with the "Move Window to Other Monitor" button

It should be a default button

[frank steeple]

You mean super+left/right?

[bright shell]

No

That's....

No.

I don't like that

[kind panther]

or drag it over to the other monitor?

[bright shell]

I just tried it

And... No.

It's 1 click

https://i.imgur.com/eqHcuPp.png

[kind panther]

i mean even dragging is 1 click

[frank steeple]

what about super+shift+left/right then?

[bright shell]

See the little button in the top right?

AH

That does what that little button does.

Oh, DisplayFusion has an even easier command for that.

Ctrl Super X

[frank steeple]

Yeah, because that makes sense

[bright shell]

I mean, it's a 1 handed command vs Shift Super Arrow

[frank steeple]

You have two hands on your keyboard

[bright shell]

I have 1 hand on my keyboard and 1 hand on my mouse

[kind panther]

You can also bind it to a mouse button

in mouse app settings

[frank steeple]

Pro life tip

[bright shell]

I only shift hands when I need to actually type

[frank steeple]

Don't bother with your mouse

[kind panther]

I have a dedicated alt tab micro on my mouse and use it a lot

[kind panther]

I paid for 8 buttons Im gonna use 8 buttons

and a macro layer to double that number

[frank steeple]

How many buttons do you have on your keyboard

[kind panther]

thats fair but all the buttons on mouse are a thumb click away

[bright shell]

Yep

[frank steeple]

64 buttons and 16 layers of macros

All within reach

[kind panther]

just convenient as I cant move wrist all that much to reach over to the keyboard with the right hand... bad nerve damage in my right wrist

[kind panther]

16 layers?

[frank steeple]

Yup

Could probably DIY more layers in, but that's the default max

[kind panther]

how would I go about doing that

[frank steeple]

Get a qmk keyboard

[kind panther]

like even just 1 extra layer

ah nothing in software that works on all boards?

[bright shell]

Uhh

You could use that QMK Converter USB thing

[frank steeple]

How tricky you willing to get?

[kind panther]

Hmm fairly

[frank steeple]

Lots of boards can be reprogrammed if you try hard enough

[bright shell]

https://1upkeyboards.com/shop/controllers/usb-to-usb-converter/

Or just buy this

[kind panther]

Hmmm

[frank steeple]

At that point just get a cheap qmk keyboard lol

$71?

That's a ripoff

Doesn't even have nkro

[kind panther]

you can get one of those 10$

[frank steeple]

Probably

All it is is an arduino

[bright shell]

I just know that that device exists.

And that it can be used to provide QMK to basically any board.

[frank steeple]

That device is a complete scam

[bright shell]

No?

I think it was cheaper a while back

[mortal totem]

holy

[frank steeple]

Not even full qmk, it's just tmk

[mortal totem]

buy your own arduino

cheaper than 70usd

[bright shell]

I mean, you can't be perfect Bob.

[frank steeple]

Yeah, but you can do better than that

Could probably put at a fully featured competitor for $20 and still have a solid profit margin

[true void]

do y'all know anywhere where I can just dump fixes for obscure linux issues that will appear in search results without it being awkward

I have a lot of them and I feel like they would help but like

I dont think I can just dump them on a forum

also timeshift time I might not respond for a minute

I love apt upgrade so much it gives me like a feelign of Comfort

its like someone just telling u "everything is going to be fine" or "we'll handle this for you"

[strong plover]

I really appreciate it if they are on Reddit. They seem to pop up easily, especially if they’re upvoted. But please don’t put swear words on Reddit posts with good information, cause then I don’t feel comfortable sending people the links

[true void]

if I make apps they're all going to be open source and will have SO many swear words in the code comments

[strong plover]

Someone tells me the world is falling apart. I just run apt upgrade and say, nope. See?

[true void]

^^^^^^^^^

I wish apt upgrade was a person

[strong plover]

Apps are fine because they don’t need to be read and shared often, and then it’s funny to read them. But Reddit posts and useful please make informational only ;)

[strong plover]

I would hug them

[true void]

I wish apt upgrade was my dad

[strong plover]

He would be the best dad. And he’d have the answers for all the hard questions. And he wouldn’t make fun of you.

[true void]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

apt upgrade as a dad would be super accepting of everything

[strong plover]

He would understand and say, yep, that’s up to date

[true void]

wow this is actually a concerning looking conversation when I look back on it

[strong plover]

And he’d be cool too

[true void]

imagine your first intro to linux being looking at this chat and its just someone wishing a command would be their dad

[strong plover]

Yeahh

okay, all New people, Don’t take us Too Seriously. we like the Command because it make us Feel secure. Like A Good Dad Does.

[true void]

the moral of the story is that linux users have bad families

[strong plover]

I actually have a really good family

But that doesn’t stop me from wanting apt upgrade as a dad

[true void]

I'm actually gonna be moving in with my dad soon

[strong plover]

Some people have sudo rm -rf dads

[true void]

definitely an upgrade from my current family they're like uhhhhhh

super mega ass

[strong plover]

sudo rm -rf / dads aren’t good

[true void]

^

[strong plover]

That’ll be good

[true void]

aight so I dont really have anything else to do atm, I think i'll take the source code of my rock paper scissors and improve it since I know what an array is now

gonna like

make the randomizer a function instead of just writing it out twice as well

[strong plover]

Nice! Do you not have school

[true void]

oh I have school

im at school

just not doing anything rn

[strong plover]

Ah

I’m homeschooled

So I always have school

[true void]

function getRandom(){let randnum = Math.round(Math.random() * (3 - 1) + 1); return randnum}

ok is there much else I could do with this

the whole thing is already half as long

2kb to 1.1

gonna make one that's like

best of 3

[scarlet dagger]

Hilarious first post I read coming to this channel

[strong plover]

Was it so Funny that you will Use Linux now?

[true void]

ok im getting somewhere

I made a compactish block that generates 3 moves

[dusk kernel]

Whoa... that's new to me. LOL thanks!

[true void]

the longer it gets the more opportunities for trash

[distant bramble]

Are you taking Odin?

[true void]

no

codecademy

[strong plover]

I have a problem. (I’ve had it for a while but it’s just starting to bug me now). In windows, the close button X at the top was in the absolute corner, and I could move my mouse up and to the right without aiming to close a window if it was maximized. Im on Kde plasma (Ubuntu studio, so basically kubuntu for confused people), and my window decorations are materia dark.

I don’t know if it is a matter of changing the theme or what.

If you have suggestions ping me

Tldr, I want to move my mouse to the absolute corner and be hovered over the close box.

[true void]

ok so suggestion thats good in the long run but probably not helpful here

altf4

[dusk kernel]

You need to explore... System Settings > Application Style > Window Decorations

You might also want to explore the KDE store...
https://store.kde.org/browse?cat=114&ord=rating

"Plastik" has square buttons and the X is pretty close to the window edges.

[nocturne dragon]

I know that only very few people here may know the answer to this but here goes. Does anyone here know if the Bethesda games launcher works in Linux? What about specific things like the creation kits for games?

[bright shell]

Probably not?

[frank steeple]

Probably. Bethesda products tend to play nice with proton, so it's worth trying

[nocturne dragon]

Alright, thank you!

That was my only concern as I was considering starting to make my own mods and such and was wondering if I should leave a small Windows 10 install for small things like that.

I know their games run perfectly fine according to protonDB

[true void]

How much storage space do you have

if u have plenty you might want to leave a small install with fast boot off in the settings

if your leave it on windows hibernates and mounts as readonly and its annoying

[nocturne dragon]

I have nearly 7TB-8TB @true void

I have a 2TB M.2, a 2TB 7200RPM Hybrid Drive from my first ever PC that is still running fine, and a 3-4TB 7200RPM Hard Drive Mass Storage I got for really cheap a couple years ago because it was meant for enterprise use.

(It was like $30-40 because half of the drive wasn't accessible unless you cleaned up the disk outside of a GUI which I did using Windows' command prompt)

Also, I can't wait to move from Windows... I was installing a driver update for my graphics card and it decided to update windows during the restart for the driver...

Because of it hijacking what I was doing, it undid an option I selected for a clean driver install that prevents old drivers from remaining installed on my system alongside the new one (because the setting disables windows update supposedly temporarily to prevent it installing an old driver but it can just ignore that apparently)

[bright shell]

Oh sweet baby jesus! The latest Linux Beta driver for Nvidia's Proprietary drivers adds support for the GBM API which will enhance Wayland support on Nvidia GPUs!

Man, this really makes me want to just make the jump to Kubuntu since KDE Plasma is working on spooling up support for the new Nvidia GBM support.

[frank steeple]

Why would you distro hop to change your DE?

[bright shell]

I only have PopOS on my Laptop

And, IDK how well PopOS would deal with KDE

[frank steeple]

It works fine

Main question is do you really care about sway

[nocturne dragon]

My main issue with KDE over Pop_Os is that I couldn't find any support or instructions online to uninstall it properly and ended up bricking my install. Make sure you plan to keep it if you install. I repaired it using some tools but Pop never returned fully back to normal with a cursor that was 25% the size of the screen, different fonts, different cursor style, etc., etc.

I guess it is really uncommon to want to uninstall KDE_Plasma or something so no community posts about it could be found when I searched online and nothing could be found either through the website for system 76 or through the KDE site.

[frank steeple]

sudo apt uninstall plasma-desktop iirc

[nocturne dragon]

That was the line I ran through the terminal...

Perhaps it messed up during uninstall or something for me?

After it finished, our computer wouldn't boot except into a black screen with text simulating the terminal. We had to type in our username & password through this screen but then it just popped up with a message saying welcome and there was no desktop environment it would boot into.

At least, there were no GUI elements.

.........
I thought that maybe there would be steps you have to do before you enter that because of how badly it messed up...

[strong plover]

Plastik is perfect! It doesnt look bad, and it does what I want it to. Thanks!

[dusk kernel]

My pleasure... happy to be of help! 😄

[strong plover]

I have more questions :passiveAgressiveSmilyFace:

I am a musician (obviously), and i play my midi keyboard from vst plugins off of my computer. I use MonasteryGrand from MSoundFactory. Right now i use it on windows, but i would absolutely love to get it working on Linux. Here is the hope the website gives me:

I installed TrueType fonts onto my computer already, not for this though.

And i do not have Wine installed. I am wondering whether i should use Wine or PlayOnLinux.

https://itsfoss.com/use-windows-applications-linux/

On this site it has a thing about playonlinux.

I just don’t know, if i install it straight from Wine, will i have trouble possibly creating new wine prefixes in the future?

Any help is appreciated, i couldnt find any documentation out there.

[frank steeple]

PlayOnLinux is a management tool for wine

Basically lets you easily manage different versions and configurations of wine for different programs

If you're planning on running multiple programs through wine pol is almost always worth setting up

[strong plover]

But it won’t give me a handicapped wine experience?

If it won’t then it looks great

[frank steeple]

Nope, if anything it improves it

[dusk kernel]

This site might be useful for music-related stuff:
https://linuxmusicians.com/

[dusk kernel]

I don't have any experience with it but there's also "Lutris" for gaming on Linux:
https://lutris.net/
I don't know if it would be any help with non-game applications though.

[mortal totem]

The only daw i know of that has linux compatibility is reaper

[true void]

actlly yeah i was wondering that

evert time someone says something I just assume they r right and know more than me

[frank steeple]

general rule of thumb is that skip knows a bit about headphones

[true void]

wht

[dusk kernel]

What just happened.... BOB! Where did you go???

Oh.... you're tweaking your nickname. LOL

[frank steeple]

Don't worry about it

[dusk kernel]

Oh, I'm not "worried"... I was just looking at the screen when it happened, and thought something was wrong with my system.

[frank steeple]

Lol

[dusk kernel]

This whole page moved... it legit startled me. LOL

[bright shell]

It just feels weird to have to select your DE each time you boot up.

[frank steeple]

You can set one as the default

[true void]

I never have to do that

(desktop environment queen)

[strong plover]

(desktop environment queen)

[wet swift]

I am so ready for the Win 11 mandatory "optional" update. I just grabbed a Linux Mint (Cinnamon) distro off an online auction and put it on an old laptop so I can learn how to use it.

[true void]

i cant tell if these are real anymore

[strong plover]

Uhhh last I knew Linux mint was free xD

@true void It’s free right? You’ve used it, and duh, it’s open source? Are these people trolling? Is sudo apt upgrade my dad? Is Wine actually windows? Am I so tired?

[true void]

Yes

(desktop environment queen)

[strong plover]

Desktop environMent queen

[strong plover]

Did you actually have to pay for it

[true void]

i still use it on all my main systems its cool and good

with differing desktop environments bcuz duh

[strong plover]

bcuz (desktop environment queen)

[true void]

so true

[strong plover]

I forgot, you’re on mint with Mate?

[true void]

Yes

although

my home pc is mint with cinnamon

sometimes i switch it to gnome

just for that like

gnome vibe???

[strong plover]

Ah nice

So you mainly mess around with your school laptop?

There’s two vibes I get from gnome. The G-Nome vibe, and the gNome vibe.

[true void]

yeah its the on im on most

[strong plover]

Oh is that your floor pc

Or am I crazy

[true void]

o no thats another ine5

one

my home pc is uhhhhhhh

ok not a good pic

also its not at home atm

but that is my pc

(thats usually at home)

[strong plover]

It looks like a cool movie effect almost

Not realistic

But like hyper

[true void]

the exposure was cranked

[strong plover]

Glorious

What’s your mouse

It looks like a reverse cow hoof

No offense to you or the mouse

[true void]

g502 but its uhhhhhhhhhh

[strong plover]

But offense to picture

[true void]

Destroyed

[strong plover]

Oh g502 good

[true void]

its missing 2 buttons and ive had it since 8th grade

[strong plover]

Is it actually misshapen or is that just the picture

[true void]

(i use it it school)

just the picture

the remaining left button is the left click

(I have a hideous system)

[strong plover]

Eek

Ah now I see it

Your gpu looks like mine, 10 series?

[true void]

rx 570

msi gpus are weirdly the same looking

[strong plover]

Whoops

I have 1060, it looks so so the same

[true void]

it is

it is the same :)

[strong plover]

They should make their red vs green cards look a little more distinct

[true void]

god i need 2 not use :)

[strong plover]

:)

Why

[true void]

I think the only difference between gpus is like

Heatsink Thickness

[strong plover]

Strange

Yeah

It is hard to not automatically associate msi with amd

It’s the red color scheme

[true void]

imagine getting a prebuilt and it looks like this

[strong plover]

I mean

Cables could look a little neater

But

I’m not a cable freak

I just prefer more of them out of sight

[true void]

I would actlly need to drill in this case

istg in this case

[strong plover]

Lol

Ok bye for now, I Sleep

[wet swift]

I was lazy and paid a couple bucks to get it mailed to me. I could have downloaded it, I know.

[wet swift]

I know, I just paid a couple bucks for the flash drive and shipping, because I am alazy.

[true void]

are there actually people who sell linux mint and make money

how much

[wet swift]

I wasn't really clear, I paid only for the flash drive and postage.

[true void]

wait

so did they like

what

ok so did you just buy a flash drive or did you buy one specifically because it had mint on it

[kind panther]

normal drive i think

[wet swift]

Bought the flash drive specifically becasue it had mint on it.

[true void]

how much

[wet swift]

I think it was $3 for drive and shipping.

[kind panther]

Huh strange

I doubt its the latest version tho

[wet swift]

Yeah, I am pretty strange.

[true void]

idk I meant its been a little bit since the last mint version

[wet swift]

It's definitely an older version, but that shouldn't hurt anything.

[true void]

it shouldnt actlly

might lose a few out of the box features though :(

[kind panther]

3 months

not that old

[wet swift]

It's Mint Cinnamon 19.3

So.....

[true void]

wait its only been 3 months

[kind panther]

thats 3 major versions behind

[wet swift]

What has?

[kind panther]

latest is 20.2

[wet swift]

Ok, but I bought the thing in June 2020. How far behind was I then?> XD

I can install and then update though, probably. XD

I will mess with the laptop again and see where it is now.

[kind panther]

1

[wet swift]

Um... better late than never? 😆

[kind panther]

but fr its hella easy to create a bootable

just use balena etcher for mint iirc

and select the iso image and ur pendrive

and it does everything for you

[wet swift]

Alrighty. 🙂

[kind panther]

https://linuxmint.com/download.php

Im partial to xfce

[true void]

xfce is cool!!!!

[kind panther]

but cinammon is what you probably have rn

[true void]

(desktop environment queen)

[wet swift]

Yeah, I have Cinnamon. Not on the pc I am at, but on one of my laptops. So I can learn it.

[true void]

mate gnome and cinnamon are what i usually use but i like xfce a lot

[wet swift]

KPX thanks for the link, I will make an updated installer.

Thanks everyone for the tips

[kind panther]

https://elementary.io/
My favourite distro atm

just click there and enter 0

and its free to download

also just use balena etcher

would recommend checking it out

[wet swift]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-waynes-world-thumbs-up-2thumbs-up-two-thumbs-up-gif-22047653

[bright shell]

Why do you like elementary so much?

[kind panther]

whats not to like?

amazing ui

debian based

[bright shell]

It looks like MacOS

Just an observation

Not saying MacOS looks bad

[kind panther]

and macos has a beautiful ui

Ive used macos since 2011

[strong plover]

Hi im annoying sorry. How would i install/use .dll plugins on Linux (I’m using PlayOnLinux). I’m trying to get my favorite piano vst to work in tracktion waveform (btw @mortal totem Traction is a daw that works flawlessly on Linux).

Here’s what I’ve done so far:
Installed wine and playonlinux
Ran the installer .exe in a wine prefix
It installed all the right files in the right folders

But the problem is, theyre .dll plugins. I don’t know how to get them to show up as VST plugins on my Linux OS

[bright shell]

Hmm, I might try Elementary then. I'm distro hopping until I find the one I like the most

[kind panther]

10/10 would recommend

[bright shell]

PopOS is nice, but Gnome rubs me the wrong way for some reason.

[strong plover]

Gnome is easy. I think that was the idea, and they really did it well. I do like some of the gnome default apps.

[frank steeple]

Again with the distro hoping to change your DE

[strong plover]

You can literally use whatever desktop with whatever distro.

Just use Ubuntu or arch if you’re a higher being, and then change desktop to what you like imo

[true void]

you can change it!!!!

(desktop environment queen)

[bright shell]

Yes, but I don't like the idea of installing a whole new DE eating even more space on my 512gb laptop drive.

[true void]

you can also uninstall gnome

and replace it

[kind panther]

I have 3 operating systems on my 500 gb drive

lol

[frank steeple]

A DE doesn't really take up that much space

[bright shell]

Does the PopShop play well with KDE?

[true void]

I'd say yeah

[frank steeple]

What do you mean "play well"

[bright shell]

Does it actually require the gnome DE to function. I know some apps are built only for 1 DE

[frank steeple]

No

[true void]

ive never encountered such an App

[frank steeple]

I don't know of any linux app off the top of my head that only runs on one DE

[kind panther]

same

[bright shell]

I have. I dont remember which app it was though

[frank steeple]

I call bs on that

That'd be basically impossible to do

[kind panther]

debian vs arch yes to some extent

[true void]

nono it might've just been a bug

[kind panther]

not between des

[frank steeple]

fwiw my de/wm takes up about 10MB

[true void]

okok

thats a little low

what de/wm

[frank steeple]

i3gaps

[true void]

i think the max space de you'll find is like maybe at its bloatiest 700mb

ok wait that's high

[frank steeple]

Yeah I don't think even gnome would be that high even if you count whatever wallpapers your system comes with

[kind panther]

nice

on arch?

[frank steeple]

No

Arch is for noobs

[kind panther]

no no thats gentoo

[frank steeple]

I'm dead serious

Arch has no serious advantage for an advanced user

[kind panther]

fair fair

Im partial to debian based distros myself

[frank steeple]

You ever see the evolution of a linux user memes?

[kind panther]

Cant say that I have

[frank steeple]

Goes something like mint -> ubuntu -> arch -> gentoo -> elementary

[kind panther]

elementary master race indeed

[true void]

definitely not mint -> ubuntu thats simply absurd

[frank steeple]

It used to be that way, not so much anymore

[true void]

why would someone take a perfectly fine mint install and replace it with Ubuntu

[strong plover]

Jack audio is the absolute coolest

[bright shell]

Jack needs to replace Alsa like, asap

[mortal totem]

Sorry im at work rn

I get off in ~7hrs

[strong plover]

I didn’t mean to ping you like that, I just wanted it to show you that I have tracktion waveform 11 working rlly nice cause you said something about another daw being the only one for Linux. Sorry

[mortal totem]

No problemo, i havent heard of tracktion tho, will have to look into

[strong plover]

Having to start up audio servers was a little foreign at first, but the flexibility and control it gives you is Epic. Also it’s like basically no noticeable latency for audio and midi

[strong plover]

It’s very intuitive, better stuff than GarageBand, but the ease of use reminded me of GB.

And there’s a free version that hasn’t handicapped me yet :)

Really the paid version just adds Antares auto tune and a couple other thing iirc

[bright shell]

I wonder how easy it would be to convert my PopOS install from Alsa to Jack.

[strong plover]

I’ve never used Jack when it wasn’t preinstalled from Ubuntu studio, but I’m pretty sure it’s just an install from your repository. There is good documentation on its website though. Qjackctl is the software you use to interface with Jack though. It’s kind of intuitive

[bright shell]

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna take a look at that. If it's super low latency that'll be really cool

[frank steeple]

Not very easy at all

[bright shell]

Are you joking?

[frank steeple]

No

Main reason is that jack is more of a replacement for pulse than alsa

[bright shell]

Oh, wait

I think Pop uses Pulse

I forget that Pulse and Alsa aren't interchangeable

[frank steeple]

ofc you can also use jack alongside pulse

[bright shell]

Hmm, interesting

[frank steeple]

Pop uses alsa and pulse

[bright shell]

Oh, F

[frank steeple]

That's pretty much what every distro does

Pulse can't handle audio as a standalone program as far as I know

[bright shell]

Ah, so you can just replace Pulse with Jack or just run all 3?

[frank steeple]

Yes

Completely removing alsa from the equation and just using pulse or jack is going to be pretty much impossible

[bright shell]

F

Ok, so I'll probably experiment with Alsa and Jack

Is Jack eventually going to replace Alsa? Is that the goal?

[frank steeple]

Probably not

They're two completely different things

[bright shell]

Ohhh, I'm thinking of Pipewire

[frank steeple]

Also different

tldr is that alsa probably isn't going to be replaced without a very good reason

[bright shell]

What is Pipewire used for?

The same thing as Jack and Pulse?

[frank steeple]

Yup

You have alsa, which provides low level system calls and is part of the kernel itself, and then you have all the various front ends like jack, pulse, and pipewire that interface with alsa

[bright shell]

Looks like Pipewire might be a good all in one solution. It interfaces with Pulse, Alsa and Jack

[frank steeple]

Kinda

It's a lot more complicated than that

[strong plover]

Ohhh yeah I guess I use alsa with Jack

[true void]

ubuntu is an operating system commonly used by criminals to kill people

[strong plover]

I agree.

I have killed So Many

I also Actively promote Linux to many many People

[true void]

I dont actaully know if there are many differences between mint and ubuntu other than package differences right

mint is an operating system commonly used by criminals to kill people

[modest forum]

Hannah Montana Linux

[kind panther]

biebian better

[sleek halo]

Literally a banger of a distro

[true void]

so like

why do people distrohop

[sleek halo]

Because some distros are better than others

People like to try new things out

[true void]

i mean like what features do they usually want

is it mostly an out of the box type of thing

also god I got my antidepressant dose hightened and now I like

actually want to do things and feel absolutely amazing

[strong plover]

More software works out of the box with Ubuntu, so as long as something is based on Ubuntu, it’s good for most uses

[sturdy aspen]

SNAP BAD

[strong plover]

Sudo snap

[sturdy aspen]

more like uuuh sudo pacman -rns snapd amirite

[strong plover]

If you’re using pacman

Which isn’t a bad thing

All the stuff is up to date

But I’ve been using apt

[true void]

native ports are a good thing because they let developers make fun of linux users within the game

[true void]

sidenote bioshock infinite is a really good game that u should play (if you want)

[strong plover]

Give examples pls 🙃

[true void]

I have like one game that's native

I dont have any examples

[sleek halo]

MX Linux is really good looking

[rotund dirge]

What DE is that?

I’m an idiot.

[sleek halo]

lmfao

[rotund dirge]

Neofetch says right there lmfao.

XFCE do be really pretty sometimes.

[sleek halo]

Out of the box MX is pretty nice imo

I am tempted to daily drive it

But I might go with Linux Mint

[kind panther]

College wants me to use red hat linux

:(

[kind panther]

Try elementary os

[fallow belfry]

Red hat is great for servers, good one to learn

[kind panther]

Fair

[sleek halo]

Red Hat is epic

[frank steeple]

Red hat is great

[true void]

do they specify the DE

or specify anything else

at all

[strong plover]

Red hat isn’t free, but other than that it’s really good I’ve read. (Only free if you’re a developer and stuff)

[frank steeple]

Red hat is free for up to sixteen personal systems

[dusk kernel]

Now, now... don't be so hard on yourself. We'll let you keep your Techie role. 😄

[rotund dirge]

lol

My dumb ass just didn’t realize it was a neofetch output.

🥴

[kind panther]

Nah

Hmmmm might be time to get rid of ubuntu

[strong plover]

But you have to like create an account and stuff 🤮

[fallow belfry]

Considering that the previous options were thousands of dollars for licensing, an account to track number of installs is a small price

[strong plover]

It still is another password to write down

[fallow belfry]

Who writes down passwords any more...

[frank steeple]

Yup

Password managers are very nice

[bright shell]

Who writes down passwords when you can just have 1 password you have like, 10 variations of that also takes eons for a computer to crack.

[frank steeple]

Variations aren't really that great, if one is leaked or broken it's a lot easier to figure out the others

Password manager with a random high entropy password for each account is really the way to go

[sturdy sand]

I text them to myself if a site doesn't have remember password or if I'm using multiple devices

But I dont bother writing them down. I'll just lose the paper lmao

[frank steeple]

And if you write them down you have to change the paper every few months which is a huge pain

[fallow belfry]

Firefox remembers my passwords and I have a master password to protect them. I only need to remember one password since it syncs across everything.

[dusk kernel]

What if you use multiple devices? E.g, a home PC, a work PC and a phone.

And just to make it more fun... let's assume that the home and work PC's run different OS's. 😄

[fallow belfry]

It syncs on every device

[dusk kernel]

I know there are "portable" versions of a few password managers, but I haven't tried them. E.g, there are several here:
https://portableapps.com/apps/security

[fallow belfry]

I just need to sign in to my Firefox account

If I'm using a work or public computer I can just look up a password on my phone

[dusk kernel]

Gotcha... seems like a viable option for anything internet-related.

[wet swift]

The password is always 'swordfish' anyways, unless it's complex, like 1...2...3...4... 😆

[brave isle]

My passwords are generally 01010101
Something lol

[true void]

I have 3 passwords

stretched across many seevices

[dusk kernel]

Fortunately this is a tiny server so it's highly unlikely that there is someone lurking around who might try to use whatever password clues you share publicly.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

[frank steeple]

My main passwords usually have at least 100 bits of entropy

[hallow stirrup]

What's better Linux or Windows?

[desert meadow]

depends on your needs

[hallow stirrup]

Performance

[desert meadow]

linux

[hallow stirrup]

How to get?

[desert meadow]

theres different versions of linux and me personally i dont really know how to get any of them since i use a disc. @frank steeple might be able to help or someone else that passes by here

[frank steeple]

What GPU do you have?

[hallow stirrup]

1650 4gb

[frank steeple]

I'd go for pop os then

https://pop.system76.com/

[hallow stirrup]

ok thanks

[frank steeple]

https://support.system76.com/articles/install-pop/
They have install directions here

[hallow stirrup]

Also is there like any down falls of installing Linux?

[frank steeple]

Big thing is some games still don't work

[dusk kernel]

"The learning curve" is an issue for some people.

[modest forum]

but with more support on the horizon with the introduction of the Steamdeck, there should be a lot more Linux users soon

[strong plover]

True.

Is steamdeck on Ubuntu or arch or what?

[fallow belfry]

Arch based

[strong plover]

That’s going to be weird, because it seems like a lot of people for developing for Ubuntu. Now maybe game people will focus on arch.

[nocturne dragon]

Does that mean gaming support would be better on Manjaro than Ubuntu distros after the Steam Deck launch or would it really not matter with proton?

I assume it wouldn't make a difference

[true void]

i dont think it'd make much difference but performance might be a bit improved on arch based distros

[fallow belfry]

Proton makes it mostly irrelevant what the host distro is

[strong plover]

That’s good. I’m sticking with Ubuntu studio for the foreseeable future

And I want to have the ability to play games

[true void]

what are techies I forgot

[frank steeple]

hello

[true void]

what is that

[frank steeple]

Means I have a yellow name

I dunno beyond that

[dusk kernel]

Yellow was chosen due to their universally sunny disposition.

[frank steeple]

Bet

Trying to remember what color they were in the old color scheme...

[strong plover]

It’s weird when servers have mod colors that are not red. Mods should be red.

[fallow belfry]

Mods are red, I'm just a new "assistant" mod

But it also works out because red + yellow = orange

[true void]

desktop environment green

[mortal totem]

mod used to be green

[true void]

would u prefer to be green so you can be cool like us

[kind panther]

Wghen me yellow

[strong plover]

You totally will get mod one day, I’m sure of it. You’re super helpful and know your computers, almost like youre married to one. Thanks for all the times you’ve answered my dumb questions lol

[strong plover]

Rawr if you publish (either on Reddit or an independent site) how you do hackintoshs, and then bragged in this server over and over, you deserve yellow name

[frank steeple]

Those who ask for techie never achieve techie

[river island]

@frank steeple have you heard of https://draugeros.org/go/

[river island]

its garbage

forget i asked

[frank steeple]

What about it is bad?

[strong plover]

How else do you get it

[desert meadow]

the council decides

[frank steeple]

Wait no

That looks bad

[strong plover]

The 1 and 3 look like onions

[desert meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-boipepe-sighpepe-stare-gif-12361497

[strong plover]

Oh dear yeah it does look bad

[frank steeple]

Okay better now

[strong plover]

Lopsided, might just wanna take out the whole thing

Okay it’s better now

[frank steeple]

Okay we good

[strong plover]

Yeah 😂

[kind panther]

Im almost done with urs btw

My holidays have begun

So i have tons of free time

[river island]

just tried to install jthe other drivers

kept 404ing

and then tried to install the nvidia ones from their site

and failed

[frank steeple]

Oof

[strong plover]

Would it be best to install it on separate ssd? Because I have windows on one, and Ubuntu studio on my m.2. I guess I technically have another 120gb crucial bx I could put it on.

[kind panther]

Tbh you can install to a hard disk if u want but i would recommend a seperate ssd

[strong plover]

I actually have some spare hard drives that aren’t in another computer. Not sure how old/good they are, but I could install to that and then clone disk if needed, right?

[kind panther]

Clone disk is a no go

If you wanna change disk u gotta reinstall

And then move data using the in built utility

[frank steeple]

What's wrong with cloning the disk? Apple doing weird stuff?

[kind panther]

Yeah

Proprietary format

Newer oses use container volumes under container disks

APFS volumes

Older oses use Macos Extended file format

[frank steeple]

Dang

[kind panther]

Bruh i stg every time tim cook farts he comes up with something new to make proprietary

[strong plover]

What version of macOS will I be able to run? I assume not the most recent one, which I guess is fine as long as it’s Mac xD

Also will it be able to do cool stuff like airdrop (I don’t currently have a Bluetooth adapter though) and sidecar?

[true void]

does milk have a lethal dose

[strong plover]

Yes.

[true void]

omg tysm

[fallow belfry]

You can get a lethal dose of almost anything, even water.

[undone lichen]

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna16614865

ya know, i knew this was a thing, but i never really looked into the details

that radio station is messed up

[strong plover]

You ok?

[strong plover]

That is so messed up. Like, if it was a contest to see who would drink a bottle of water the fastest, that’s fine. But uhhhh

[true void]

yes i just wanted to know as im currently drinking a lot of milk

[strong plover]

I mean that makes sense

I’ve drunk tons of milk before in a day

[true void]

I have deleted a gallon

[strong plover]

We have dairy goats. So when they hit peak of their milk production, we’ve already weaned their kids. So there is so much extra milk. We sometimes just drink it instead of water

Not long term though

[strong plover]

For real tho?

[undone lichen]

whats a gallon?

[true void]

person over here buying milk in ml

syringe milk having ass

[undone lichen]

i was making a joke nvm

altho it was semi complicated

[true void]

ok like maybe 3/4

[strong plover]

I got it

[undone lichen]

nice

[strong plover]

nice

Or not nice

[undone lichen]

O_O

[strong plover]

Enough

On another note, I’m surprised the A word is not banned by the wegg bot

[undone lichen]

its pg 13

which is allowed

in moderation

[strong plover]

And yet the f word is banned? That is strange. Huh. Well I won’t be using either one xD

[undone lichen]

hell and ass arent really bad words

tbh

f and b are a little more mean and direct

and s

[strong plover]

The latter is rather vulgar

[undone lichen]

how old are you?

[strong plover]

Why do you wanna know

[undone lichen]

like when i was 13 i thought it was too

[strong plover]

I mean

[true void]

im rather vulgar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[strong plover]

I’m 17

[undone lichen]

as a 20 year old its the same as the word butt at this point, ya know

or donkey

[strong plover]

I don’t even say butt out loud, crass

[strong plover]

Yes emy, we know

[undone lichen]

most people dont usually have a reason too so

also idk why it took me so long to recognize the arduino logo in your pfp

[true void]

how old do you all think I am

[undone lichen]

like, i knew what it was, but i finally used some brain power to connect the two

10

[strong plover]

I just liked how slick it looks, and I love arduino

[undone lichen]

same

[strong plover]

15?

[undone lichen]

prolly like

84

[true void]

you both underestimated

[strong plover]

Then tell us

[undone lichen]

120?

[strong plover]

240?

[true void]

what if I dont thoguh

[undone lichen]

42069

def

[strong plover]

69420

Def

[strong plover]

Then we’ll be forced to assume you’re under 13

[true void]

wow act;;y

looking back

I do Kind Of sound like a super young person using a computer

[strong plover]

You do 😆

It’s sorta the same humor I use so that’s why it’s funny to me

I like Having Those conversations

[true void]

im 16 its probaby just bcuz of all the shortenings and random capitalization and dumb typing quirks

[strong plover]

You are rather vulgar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s funny to Do Typing Quirks tho

[true void]

god my most used emotes are weird

[strong plover]

What are they

[true void]

(no nitro, but its an image of a hyperrealistic laughing emoji) ♀️ and 🍴

[undone lichen]

most used emotes say alot about you

[strong plover]

Can we agree that is the best one to use

[undone lichen]

think so

and ofc kek

[true void]

i dont know why ♀️ is in there ive used it to react to like maybe 3 messages here

[strong plover]

My most used reaction to messages is teebeeh

[undone lichen]

also is that how emojis look on your end?

like when i type them?

😩

[strong plover]

iPhone

[true void]

funny yellow ball

[undone lichen]

apple emojis 🤢

[true void]

apple 😳 is the best one thoguhg

[undone lichen]

this 100% conveys more raw emotion

[strong plover]

I like some of them better, like the crying face, but the 3d is a little overdone on some of them

On desktop discord they look like yours

@undone lichen @true void if I changed my pfp to something Linux/Ubuntu/programming/computer/music/FOSS related, what do you think it should be? Or leave it arduino

[true void]

little yellow guy connoisseur

[true void]

omg uhhhhhhhh

{

like just a {

[strong plover]

Hmm

[true void]

wait no

:}

[strong plover]

No one would ask me what my pfp was anymore

[true void]

would u prefer :} or {:

[strong plover]

I made it my status instead

[abstract hearth]

Arduino

Odd pfp image for the newegg server

[strong plover]

Seee you know what it is

I made it before I even joined wegg

[true void]

i just Never Questioned IT

like

does anyone know what my pfp is

no

[strong plover]

It looks like a lampshade on a purple persons head

[true void]

correct abt the lampshade and the purple person!!!!!!!!!!

I dont know what it is either

I made it in gimp like a monbtgh ago

[strong plover]

The swirls are so cool for some reason

Speaking of gimp

So I have a friend who’s a photographer. She was at our house briefly the other day, and she took a picture of our family for us. But in one of them, my dads eyes are shut, and in the other one my eyes are shut. So I used gimp to switch my eyes out so they’re open. Sooooo slick. Can’t even tell what I did.

I just did that like 30 min ago. Now my moms gonna put that pic on our Christmas card.

[true void]

wait

ok so did you use a seperate pic with open eyes

or did you just lik

open them

desktop environment queen

[strong plover]

Separate pic. I put my open eyes over my closed eyes. Not complex but sooo slick

[true void]

tiny stuff like that is super fun

i usually use it 2 make like

transparent images for my friend

[strong plover]

It is super fun. I’m hooked on gimp.

[true void]

ok so like I have no app hotkeys other than xfce4 screenshooter but im tempted to make one for gimp for some reason

The Gimp Button

[strong plover]

Yessss do it

the Gimp Button

[true void]

AND THEN

then

then I woud like

draw the logo on it

[strong plover]

Even better

Make it open when you press

Alt+G+I+M+P

So five Keys in all

I don’t know if that possible.

[true void]

i love my username sm

(like the emy one)

its literly just removing 2 letters from my first name but its like Incredibly Simple n fun to say

[strong plover]

Emy

Oh and your laptop

Emster@domebook

[true void]

do you just remember this

[strong plover]

Wdym

I remember lotsa Stuffs

[true void]

Interesting.

[strong plover]

What is your first name

I won’t forget

Are you a girl or no

[true void]

wht

like

[kind panther]

My name is rawr

[true void]

yeah

[kind panther]

But my friends call me rawr

So you guys can call me rawr

[strong plover]

So you are a girl?

[true void]

u didn't know???????????

[strong plover]

Uh no xD

Now I feel stupid

[kind panther]

Im a cat boy

Like a male cat

[true void]

ok wait actlly dont feel stupid there isnt rlly a way u couldve known

[kind panther]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-rawr-cute-punch-gif-14558168

[true void]

so true

[strong plover]

Hi rawr :) techie soon to be

[kind panther]

Hopefully

Lets see

[true void]

desktop environment queen

[kind panther]

Mods should think im worthy

[strong plover]

I think you are

[kind panther]

Someone make chipwingg mod

Thanks

[true void]

actlly that wouldnt be a bad ida

ea

[strong plover]

It is hard to tell cause I didn’t know if you put queen in your name to be funny or what

[fallow belfry]

My vote doesn't really count but if it comes up I'll put in a good word

[strong plover]

I’ll put in lots of good words

[fallow belfry]

Queen can also refer to men in drag so...

[strong plover]

There are kinda weird people here too so I had no way of knowing xD

[true void]

yes mhm Completely funny

[strong plover]

Emy I’m so sorry I’ve called you he like so many times

[true void]

it is ok!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i probbably should have said somethng

falcie how do you pronounce your name

[fallow belfry]

In my experience those "wierdos" are some of the nicest people I've met

[kind panther]

Wait fr u think im good enough for techie?

[true void]

also it was only like twice (dw abt it)

[fallow belfry]

I've seen you learn a lot here and you're very helpful. Personally I'd say you qualify but again, my vote doesn't count. I also don't know when the next round of promotions is.

[true void]

i dont know what a techie is but good luch

[fallow belfry]

Fal See

[strong plover]

Like fallacy?

[true void]

ty

[fallow belfry]

It's from final fantasy 13, the Fal'Cie are like machine gods that manipulate the world and the people

[strong plover]

I did not say they were weirdos

[true void]

okokok this is going to turn into something it has a negative vibe

[strong plover]

No no no

[fallow belfry]

That's ok I did

[strong plover]

I didn’t know how else to put it

[fallow belfry]

Unusual characters?

[strong plover]

Uh yeah I guess that sums it up

[true void]

its me im the unusual character

[kind panther]

[strong plover]

I mean, you shouldn’t have to, but I always assume people in a tech server are guys 😭 except now I know of several gals in here

[strong plover]

Are you

Uh

Gay

[true void]

interesting question

a little

[strong plover]

But like

Idk nvm

[true void]

what

[strong plover]

Uh

[true void]

this is the most absolutely torturous few messages can someone delete them

[strong plover]

I’m sorry I will

[true void]

nonoonno

[strong plover]

Wht

[true void]

like its not a bad question its just that like literally every otehr person has now left the chat and now its super awkward

[strong plover]

Wegg

Ah yes we are just here talking about Linux

[true void]

(totally)

[kind panther]

True

[strong plover]

for Sure

[ripe knot]

emy#6525 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[true void]

what

tjat

that was just me copy pasting the linux wikipedia page

[strong plover]

Maybe it thought it was spam

[fallow belfry]

Too many of the same words

[ripe knot]

emy#6525 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

emy#6525 has been kicked

Reason: Too many infractions

[strong plover]

Silly weggbot. It doesn’t know about Linux. Geeeet ouda heeeereeeee

[kind panther]

Rip

[fallow belfry]

Long messages are more likely to get auto moderated...

Yeah that wall of text says linux at least 20 times lol

[strong plover]

Sooo anyways we were talking about Linux… and more Linux and comparing kernels… and more Linux and pdftoppm…and handy cli things…

[true void]

that was upsetting

[fallow belfry]

Welcome back lol

[true void]

hi

[strong plover]

What happened

Did I do Something

[kind panther]

It was me im sorry

[true void]

no it was

[strong plover]

Rip

[fallow belfry]

Good old overly sensitive mee6. Can't live with it, can't moderate without it.

[true void]

i posted like 7 times in one message and it just straight up Kicked Me

[fallow belfry]

I suggest a Screenshot next time 🙃

[strong plover]

desktop environment queen

:(

[true void]

desktop environment queen

[true void]

wait like of what

[strong plover]

Of all the weggs

[fallow belfry]

Instead of copy / paste, use windows snipping tool or another Screenshot tool

[kind panther]

Yeah more than 3 emojis are big bad

Max 3 emoji in 1 message

[true void]

I feel like

that

ss

a little bit bad

like not good

[fallow belfry]

Well when all the emotes have wegg in the name it's counted as duplicate text

We've only recently added them and... This isn't the first time that happened

[strong plover]

Windows?? In the Linux chat?? No thank you

[fallow belfry]

There's plenty of Linux alternatives

[strong plover]

I know i know xD

[true void]

I was actlly in that case just seeing if weggs triggered the bot

they do :(((((

[strong plover]

Sad

But there’s still

[true void]

[strong plover]

[true void]

[fallow belfry]

You know what's nice about being a mod? Filter immunity

[strong plover]

[strong plover]

What’s that

Ohhh

[true void]

i am going to send you a friend request and theres NOTHING you can do about it

[strong plover]

I know

[kind panther]

Prove it

Swear rn

[strong plover]

Who me

[kind panther]

You wont

[true void]

yes

[fallow belfry]

I won't swear because I never do

[strong plover]

What do you want me to do with the request

[fallow belfry]

Only warning I ever got from mee6 was duplicate text

[strong plover]

Same :)

[true void]

[fallow belfry]

But what I can do is this:

[strong plover]

I once tried to put a lot of emojis

[fallow belfry]

See? No warning

[true void]

i should just block mee6

[strong plover]

Ahh

[strong plover]

Ok. So I click on you name. It says “several vulgarities” and then it said you will hit me with a chair.

Uhh

[true void]

so true become my friend

[strong plover]

I don’t like vulgarities…

But maybe

I will

I think

I will think

About it

desktop environment queen?

Hmm

Sooooo here we sit talking about Linux. Mhm mods, only Linux.

[fallow belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-indeed-leonardo-phillip-gif-19015458

[strong plover]

I just don’t wanna get hit with a chair

[true void]

what????????????????????

who said that

wbeere

i will hit them with a chair

[strong plover]

Hmm :(

I also kinda don’t want you to have to hit yourself with a chair

[kind panther]

Me no warning either

[strong plover]

[true void]

wegg egg geww geweg gegg wegg

[strong plover]

Me no warning either

[fallow belfry]

Hmm. Hang on...
Test test test test test test test

[strong plover]

Woge. Froge.