linux-and-android

[brave isle]

the one ima install elementay OS on is this one rn

my HP

and it ran awesome but the only thing is i encountered many problems i had to go through when i installed it

and ion wanna go through it again

i ran windows 11 on this before too

[rotund dirge]

Elementary is nice. Why not try something different like PopOS though? It’s not similar to windows at all though I should warn you.

[brave isle]

i like elementary OS because of how much it is like macOS. ive always wanted a mac(dont come at me for it, because everyone in the pc community ive met does..) and thats the closest i can get

i know close to nothing about Linux, i had help from this one guy in this server, ive only ever used elementary OS

[rotund dirge]

It’s ok I got a Mac lol and I love it. Try Deepin DE then?

[brave isle]

can i see some pictures of the OS?

like how it looks in stuff, the UI

[rotund dirge]

There’s an OS and a DE for it.

[brave isle]

whats a DE

[rotund dirge]

Desktop environment. So on Linux you’re not limited to one desktop environment on any given distribution. So elementary uses a DE called Pantheon. PopOS used a DE called Gnome, and there’s a bunch. Deepin is just another DE. They also made an OS too though.

[brave isle]

it looks pretty close to mac

[rotund dirge]

You can stylize it to your liking.

[brave isle]

i think elementary OS looks like an older version of macos while that one looks newer

[rotund dirge]

Iirc it’s meant to look just like mac. 🙂

[brave isle]

what does it run on? ubuntu? debian?

and send me the link to the website, so i can download it onto my thumbdrive

[rotund dirge]

Google says debian based.

[brave isle]

ah

well ill think about it

thanks

[rotund dirge]

https://www.deepin.org/en/

One thing to note is its developers are from China. Some people don’t like that so I think it’s worth mentioning.

[brave isle]

why the hell would that matter

[rotund dirge]

I don’t think it matters at all. But something about privacy concerns🤷🏻‍♂️

[brave isle]

(gonna say this in dms, dont wanna spark something up)

[rotund dirge]

That’s all fine.

[mortal totem]

you can always try hackintosh

[strong plover]

There are some GNOME themes that look very much like Mac

[strong plover]

Getting ready to permanently install Ubuntu studio 21.04 on my new p31 gold. Do I really need a dedicated Swap partition? I heard about the swap file, I know how that works. Any thoughts? Could I add swap space after the installation?

[brave isle]

no. its illegal piracy and i am not doing illegal stuff.

so when i signed into mail, i clicked to sync all mails, and i thought that meant all mails in my inbox currently, but NO, ITS SYNCING EVERY EMAIL IVE EVER HAD IN THE 6 YEARS IVE HAD THIS EMAIL ACCOUNT, ike literally, every single one ever, i deleted the ones it did sync, but its been doing it for hours.

i cant stop it either

[fallow belfry]

Think of the swap space like the windows page file. If you have a lot of memory, you don't need a lot of it, if any. You can always add some later if needed.

[hazy river]

Hackintosh isn't illegal

If you already have a mac

[tight eagle]

highly illegal

the space police will catch you

[mortal totem]

A little less if you own a mac but still against terms i believe

[frank steeple]

It does indeed break tos

Maybe DMCA, I forget if there's been an official ruling yet

[rotund dirge]

Ah, got the language emojis looking good.

[strong plover]

Is that for c drive on windows or c code? Either way I like it

[rotund dirge]

C programming language lol.

My school club is using all of these emojis for roles and such.

They look dope

[dusk kernel]

Dope is illegal though. har har har 😉

Yes, I know what "dope" means in this context, I'm not THAT old. Still, "hey you kids get off of my lawn!!!!"

Seriously though... I need to upgrade my Fedora system from v33 to v34. Could someone remind me to do that this weekend? 😄

[strong plover]

Those are so cool, they honestly look a bit better than the original logos I’ve seen

My friends and I have a server called programmers only where we talk about computer stuff, and we put a vscode logo as the server icon xD

[rotund dirge]

Aren’t those the original logos though?

[strong plover]

Probably, but they look so much nicer in discord

[strong plover]

@rotund dirge @fallow belfry so should I just let the Ubuntu installer do the it’s thing and not customize it? The only thing I might want later is swap space, but I could add that later, correct? Thanks :)

[rotund dirge]

You could add swap space later.

But it can be a pain.

A few config files to edit.

Mainly your fstab I think.

[fallow belfry]

The Ubuntu installer will make a few decisions for you based on the most common usage scenarios. If you have enough memory it might not make swap space at all, and if does maybe a couple gb.

[strong plover]

Okay thanks! I have 16 gigs, and the most I use is about 14 when I do davinci resolve fusion

[strong plover]

Another question, since I’m dual booting with windows but on separate drives, will it automatically create an efi partition on my strictly Ubuntu ssd? I want it to be able to boot from only that if I unplug windows.

Or should I unplug windows, install Ubuntu on nvme drive, plug in, and then run sudo update grub?

@rotund dirge I don’t want to be annoying but I’m kinda impatient :/ sorry for two pings

[rotund dirge]

Ouu sorry I didn’t see these.

[strong plover]

No problem

[fallow belfry]

If you designate that drive as the target for the bootloader then yes it'll make the efi partition there

[rotund dirge]

Ubuntu may not do that automatically though.

Might have to do it yourself with grub.

[strong plover]

So by designate, you mean just choose that drive to “wipe and install Linux “

I can send pic

[rotund dirge]

Well, normally the installer would do a boot loader there.

But no idea how smart Ubuntu is with detecting windows drive.

It might just say screw you, didn’t find windows HDD.

More a grub thing actually.

[fallow belfry]

If you do the auto installer and tell it to use that whole drive, it'll just use that drive.

Then when grub is installing it'll detect windows as an alternate os

[strong plover]

Ok I read it again, it will do it right

It says it’ll make 300mb efi

Thanks guys, guyinblueshirt are you in college for computer science?

[fallow belfry]

It should also tell you specifically which partitions and drives it'll affect before finalizing, so if windows is on /dev/sda and you want Linux on /dev/sdb you can see if it only affects that drive

[strong plover]

Oh cool, I’ve only dual booted two laptops before, but they both were on same drive with windows. Now it makes more sense

[rotund dirge]

Yes indeed.

I also tutor comp sci

And programming.

I like helping people in comp sci.

Less so in IT.

[strong plover]

That’s so cool

I’m looking to major in computer infrastructure and network engineering technology in a couple years when I get there, I love that kind of thing, and I’m learning all I can now

[fallow belfry]

Networking is a totally different animal from other IT stuff. So many different things that can fail or be misconfigured.

[strong plover]

I know. So many people that do it the wrong way. And I haven’t even learned what college can teach me yet and I already recognize incorrect/not best practice stuff in Lans of places I go. I also want to learn more about managing servers physically, but more importantly the software and security side of them

I think the network as a whole, and all the different steps of it, is important, and I want to know how to make stuff work

[true void]

i think networks are dumb and poopy

[strong plover]

Then I think the same about you

[true void]

my internet speed is 1.5mbps

[strong plover]

Jk

I’m kidding don’t be mad

[true void]

I Am Mad

[strong plover]

Mine is fiber 250 up, 250 down

[true void]

Very Mad you should be Ashamed

[strong plover]

I am So Ashamed, I actually shouldn’t have said that. Just the moment was there

Couldn’t pass it up

[true void]

🧠 🔨

[strong plover]

😔

[strong plover]

Wait are you gonna hit my brain or yours

[true void]

🧠

[strong plover]

Pepe is the best

Shudder. I don’t like the pin and the soft mushy lump of brain so close together. Makes me nervous.

[true void]

wait until u hear abt

👁️ 📰

[strong plover]

Oh. No pls no. Pls pls no.

[true void]

the compiz wobbly window effect

[strong plover]

Wait what is that I’m curious now

[true void]

(I apologize for the screen video)

[strong plover]

Yessss I absolutely love it

I like frogs, I like Linux mint, I like window effects, I like Pepe, and I’m notorious for screen videos

[rugged field]

ur a disgrace

[tight eagle]

ok

[kind panther]

No u

[ripe knot]

Bradley Jones#0169 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[rugged field]

ah shucks he got me

[true void]

did I miss smtn or am I being Discriminated Against for using wiggly windows once

[strong plover]

I mean, they’re not practical but they look cool

[rugged field]

Yes yes u r

[true void]

im ngl if there was an effect that gave u like Liquid instead of square windows thatd be cool but I wouldnt use it

[strong plover]

Oh the effect where when you close a window it shows it breaking and falling

One where when you minimize it it would drool down like water would be so cool too

[true void]

effect where you close a window and it turns into a plane and flies away

[strong plover]

Effect where when you close a window in Linux, it would pause, make the window have a white ish overlay, have a loading sign, and then close quickly. It’d freak out the windows users.

[rotund dirge]

Effects are pretty.. ngl.

[strong plover]

Unless they’re distracting or make straight lines wavy. Like the fisheye zoom effect in KDE. Good idea, bad fisheye

[ripe knot]

GuyInABlueShirt#9163 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[rotund dirge]

lol

[kind panther]

Honestly linux is all about being free fast secure and customisable... If you make fun of someone because the customise their copy differently, u havent understood what linux is all about

[true void]

(I do not unironically use wobbly windows)

[frank steeple]

Plot twist Bradley uses arch btw

[strong plover]

Arch without a desktop environment

[strong plover]

Can this be pinned please?

Who can pin stuff

[rotund dirge]

@humble kindle

🙂

[humble kindle]

I 100% agree with that - but why pin lol

[rotund dirge]

Because we can refer to pins when people are being annoying.

exists.

[humble kindle]

Bob - make a post, I'll pin, and just edit it in the future as you see fit

[rotund dirge]

Best option. 😉

[frank steeple]

Egg

[humble kindle]

...

Make it not a reply

[frank steeple]

Egg

[humble kindle]

Rather - do you want to do this?

I didn't ask first lol

[frank steeple]

I'm fine with it lol

[humble kindle]

stupid discord

[frank steeple]

I don't think we hit the limit

[rotund dirge]

Yeah I highly doubt too lol.

[dusk kernel]

Linux laughs at limits. chuckle

[strong plover]

Any tips for making an AppImage integrate with my desktop enviro? like an icon, pinning it to taskbar, and showing up in search. I'm on ubuntu studio 21.04 with kde plasma. And I'd rather not use an AppImage launcher.

[true void]

god popos looks like

comfortable

like it looks like something youd see on a fictional computer in a weird space cottage

[strong plover]

Peaceful and homey

Inviting

[true void]

^^^^^^^^^

[strong plover]

Kinda like shotwell when you’re coming from digiKam

Although digicam has sooo many other features

[true void]

God

i have literally died and went to hell

so like i installed KDE plasma and set the font to comic sans for a Laugh righr

and then uninstalled it

(plasma)

so then after plasma was gone the comic sans remained as the font for many things

so i Deleted comic sans

and now

comic sans turned into an unreadable horrific cursive abomination

OPENINGKDE FONTS fixed it and now i can read and

no nevermind

ii just open krita n its like 𝔚𝔢 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔓𝔢𝔬𝔭𝔩𝔢

[strong plover]

It’s beautiful. I want To cry Happy Tears.

Are you still trying to fix it, or do you have it

[true void]

I Do Not Have It but i can dual with this

[true void]

gonna try gnome

[strong plover]

You can fix it, or you can ignore it?

[strong plover]

After that, just curious. How many desktops have you tried?

[true void]

cinnamon, xfce, gnome, plasma, not sure

yeah i can ignore

[strong plover]

Lots of them, cool

[true void]

y'all think there's anyone who installed linux just to make a custom grub screen and then never used it

[strong plover]

Oh I’m sure. Someday I might make a custom grub screen, but they’re so touchy if you mess something up. And if you break grub you can’t get into your computer right. So for now I’m good with default xD

[dusk kernel]

I had a little fight with GRUB on my Ubuntu Studio system recently. I was trying to change the font size using the GUI app (can't recall the name) and it wouldn't cooperate. It seemed stuck at being a huge font size which made GRUB, and all the boot text, unreadable but still functional. It turns out that for GRUB you're limited to the video modes supported by your BIOS. Once I was aware of that limitation, It only took one more try to fix the issue.

[strong plover]

Ah I guess that makes sense. Are you on the Kde plasma desktop too?

Also, if you switch your boot drive to a new machine, the bios might have different requirements

[dusk kernel]

Yes, that system uses KDE.

I just didn't expect GRUB to be limited to BIOS video modes.... though it's not surprising. Now that I have that working, I might go back and try to change the theme. I.e., try to break GRUB and set my system to "FUBAR status." 😄

[strong plover]

Uhh sure… I mean that’s what Linux is for, breaking and fixing

[oblique jay]

I love cursive scripts

[lean galleon]

Hello Linuxrz i am in some very Trying times right now

So just got did a complete hardware swap, mobo, ram and CPU

i swapped my SSD over and i have gotten it to boot off it

with a minor quirk

I think I ducked then Linux bootloader
Because I'm having to use a stupid work around to get it to boot
Every time i try to boot into linux it goes to a blank screen
but then if I go into linux recovery mode
and then select continue boot proccess once im in recovery mode
it boots up just fine
how the duck do i fix this

how do i Repair a linux bootloader

Also my GPU driver isnt loading, probally got caught up in the messed up bootloader

dm me if anyone can help (i loose track of pings easily)

[strong plover]

What distro are you on? Ubuntu based?

[lean galleon]

Ya Pop_OS 20.04

[strong plover]

I haven’t experienced that problem, but here’s something that might help. It sounded like you were able to get it booted, just not normally, right?

https://linuxconfig.org/ubuntu-boot-repair

[lean galleon]

ya

im uysing it rn

the OS,settings and everything is in tact

*intact

data and all

[strong plover]

That’s a good sign

[lean galleon]

its just it wont boot without some "assistance"

thats for 18.04

[strong plover]

AFAIK, there should not be a difference from 18.04 to 20.04

Or this

https://support.system76.com/articles/bootloader

That’s pop specifically

I don’t use pop, so I’m not sure what could be the problem, I’m used to grub but I just read that pop uses systemd-boot.

@rotund dirge you have any experience with this?

[rotund dirge]

Boot repair is pretty easy to use. I’ve never used it but the instructions are pretty straight forward.

[strong plover]

@lean galleon ^

This is the smart guy, listen to him

[lean galleon]

while i go snoop through those instructiosn have this, this is my linux menu button

[strong plover]

Are you Chinese

[lean galleon]

no

[strong plover]

China is lots and lots of terabytes, better be careful deleting

You might lose important data

[lean galleon]

hehhe

Though tbh since i havent actually done anything with linux in months (My main has been down for like almost a year now)

so any knowledge of command line

has kinda left me

might just nuke the install and reinstall since all my data is on a seperate RAID 6

[strong plover]

Command line is faster than clicking

[lean galleon]

true it is

[strong plover]

And running stuff is easier

[lean galleon]

but i forgot how to use command line in my one year period of no linux

(I was only a beginner at that time)

wasnt no hard core linux guru

[strong plover]

Ah that’s too bad

I’ve used Linux for about a year on and off, but kind of recently made it my daily driver, I installed it on a new nvme drive :)

[lean galleon]

I only used linux for a few months and nothing else

but then my main had a stroke and only now months later is it back online

[strong plover]

Being about to type stuff like kwrite (or gedit) and then file name to open it is so much faster, I can change stuff how I like it to be

Good for you

[lean galleon]

ima just reinstall since i have the flash drive just kicking around

[strong plover]

Well that works too

Just make sure not to mess up your raid

[lean galleon]

lol

[ripe knot]

Big and Round and Rolled Around#9214 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lean galleon]

less risk to the RAID than me Ducking around in a command line not knowing what im doing

[strong plover]

Ooh he got you

Yknow, if that’s the confidence level, maybe 😂

[lean galleon]

I think the most I know how to do as of right now

Is run a application in wine
And install things

[strong plover]

Eh it’ll come back to you with a bit of googling, it’s in your mind somewhere. With all the deep dark secrets

[fallow belfry]

Linux + raid = pain

[lean galleon]

The RAID itself works very well since it is a hardware RAID

[strong plover]

I’ve always wanted a hardware raid

And I’d attach it to a raspberry pi running openmediavault to use as a NAS to back my pictures (lots of GBs) and other stuff cause I use a lot of different types of devices and they all can use network locations

[fallow belfry]

The issue I encountered was I needed to install the raid drivers on the live installer, but once it was installed it wouldn't boot because the installed OS was missing the driver still. So luckily I had a dual boot and I was able to inject the driver from the other OS.

[true void]

ive kinda thought of just setting up a little server out of a few drives i have as a dumping ground

no idea how raspberry pis work though

like

are they just pcs but small and not powerful

[mortal totem]

it's a smol computer that runs linux, and has some io

[dusk kernel]

The great thing about the Raspberry Pi and similar devices is that yes, they can function as a "desktop PC" but they can be used to power or control sooooo many other random things that you design and build.

So, yes... there are probably several online tutorials about how to use a Raspberry Pi and some drives to create a NAS system.

[strong plover]

That’s annoying

[frank steeple]

You'll probably want to make sure you get the pi 4 for a NAS though, the older versions have some serious limitations on I/O bandwidth

[strong plover]

Openmediavault is a really cool nas solution, but especially for raspberry pi. Setting up software raid isn’t recommended because it’s on the usb interface, which is not the most reliable. But it has a lot of powerful controls, and a slick remote GUI.

https://openmediavault.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

I think this is the official site. A few months ago when I was checking, OMV 5 was the latest, but it shows 6 now. Might want to research which one to use, but I think 6 is out of beta so it should be fine

https://www.openmediavault.org/

sorry this is the main site

[true void]

god I was literally just about to ask a question

but now I just cant remember it??????????????????

[dusk kernel]

Don't worry... that happens less and less as you get older.

[dusk kernel]

(That was sarcasm)

[fallow belfry]

What's my excuse then? It's been happening as long as I can remember

[frank steeple]

...

How long can you remember exactly?

[fallow belfry]

I...
I don't remember

My memory is kind of spotty before like, age 14. A few memories of memories before that.

[strong plover]

Memories of memories. What a legend.

[strong plover]

I mean, usually the important notable things happen after fourteen anyways. Don’t feel bad. Some of us are younger than fourteen.

(Im not btw)

[fallow belfry]

Yeah like, I can remember remembering a memory of the memory of me riding a tricycle at my preschool. I have no idea if any of the details are accurate by this point, though.

[strong plover]

It’s been a few years xD

I remember getting stung by a wasp. My mom said I was four when it happened.

[dusk kernel]

If you're old AF like me, this topic made you think of the song "The Way We Were" by Barbara Streisand. LOL

[true void]

im sitting in the floor eating chips watching a progress bar

who wants to join

[fallow belfry]

Ooh me! I'm just camping outside best buy right now anyway

[true void]

sorry u cant

the progress bar is over

[fallow belfry]

Aww

[true void]

I installed popos on my floor pc

(its the pc that on the floor)

(you have to sit on the floor to use it)

[strong plover]

What are you wanting to buy there

[strong plover]

Lol why won’t it fit on a desk

[kind panther]

AYO!

Get that 3080/ti

Good luck!

lemme know if you get one

[true void]

I cant fit a desk in here

however there r 2 computers

[strong plover]

Small room?

[true void]

yep

[strong plover]

Well better to have pc on floor than none at all

[true void]

i just had the weirdest thought

so like

[strong plover]

Please tell

[true void]

imagine a distro themed around storms

[strong plover]

ThunderOS

StormOS

WindyOS

HurricaneOS

[fallow belfry]

3080 preferably so I can mine on it, then I'll get a water block and custom loop it with the money from selling my 3090 garbage edition

[fallow belfry]

I'm like 50th in line so I'll get something for sure

[strong plover]

Good luck then, hope you get it and don’t punch a worker in the face

[undone lichen]

3090 poo edition

[strong plover]

I kinda wish I had a 3090. Not sure if I could actually use all its power though. I’d probably mine mostly and play games.

[true void]

i am on a vicious cycle where i use timeshift and then end up slowing down my system and yhen using timeshift again

thank u timeshift

[true void]

oh my god

i just found out about swappiness

god

why didn't yall tell me about this I feel Betrayed

its literally like 10x more responsive and im getting twice the fps

[dusk kernel]

If you think you feel betrayed now... just wait a couple of weeks. Once you find out some of the other things we haven't told you about, you'll be furious. 😄

[strong plover]

I just looked up swapiness, it seems like adjusting it might help certain tasks or certain computers, but not always

[true void]

alright so

what exactly is going to happen in a few weeks

thats a pretty specific timeframe ive been here a while

[dusk kernel]

Based on your rate of discovering new stuff about Linux, I'm just confident that you'll come up with something else within a couple of weeks.

[true void]

oh ive been using it for like

4 months

[dusk kernel]

Exactly... so your rate of discovery of the new things will stay high for a while.

[true void]

ubuntu suppository

[lean galleon]

this is new

every time i try to launch warthunder

this happens

but the graphics card is there and working?

any other game i play runs fine

but warthunder now just wont start??

[rotund dirge]

That is interesting.

[lean galleon]

anyone got any crafty ideas

to fix

[rotund dirge]

Nope.

Maybe Bob will.

[lean galleon]

on a slightly different topic not bug related
oh NO i never noticed this before
This is NOT good

Windows ONLY

quietly dies in corner

[true void]

.

alright

so

[lean galleon]

ohhhh

[true void]

this is a certified proton classic

I have no idea what game that is but you might be able to check it out on protondb

[lean galleon]

Oh i know i was expecting that its a stupid furry joke

ill see if it runs

in a moment

Hey it worked

stuck at absolutly dreadful resolution

but its working

[true void]

alright so

[lean galleon]

yes?

[true void]

ok hold on

alright what res are you using

[lean galleon]

My monitor is 1680 x 1050 but its stuck at like what might be 480p or so

its like 480p but stretched

[lean galleon]

I know this game supports higher res, it would run happily at 1050p on windows

[lean galleon]

oh i see

ill do that

and height to?

[true void]

you might also have to set the height

but try it without first

[lean galleon]

OHHH i remember how it was on windows now

im just dumb

this is normal

nvm

its been a good 2 years since i started this game

massive letter boxing and black bars

[lean galleon]

Anyway anyone know how to fix this warthunder wonkyness

[kind panther]

Linux Mint 20.3 this christmas with darkmode apps UwU

[rotund dirge]

Gnome devs changing the way colors are changed.

Or at least adding ways to mess with themes.

Though this might be a theme specific thing I haven’t looked into it much.

[zealous lantern]

Will SteamOS 3.0 be useful on desktops?

I might actually switch to that as opposed to using Win11 anymore.

[rotund dirge]

I mean isn’t SteamOS based on arch?

Technically it’d work great. But I wouldn’t recommend an arch based distro for new Linux users.

[mortal totem]

steamOS is debian based iirc, the steam deck's os is arch based

[rotund dirge]

I wonder why the change

If it’s debian based I don’t see why it wouldn’t be good to use.

[fallow belfry]

I thought steam deck is pop (Debian) based? Dang now I have to look it up

Nope it's arch

[rotund dirge]

Yeah deck is arch based. That’s why I thought steamos would be.

Dumb IMO.

[mortal totem]

I remember someone commented on how valve keeps changing distros

[rotund dirge]

But what’s the point to changing from debian to arch? Bad decision imo.

[mortal totem]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

We see how it goes

[frank steeple]

Old steamOS is debian, new steamOS is arch

My guess is a combination of arch being designed to be a bit more flexible and them wanting a slightly higher performance kernel

[rotund dirge]

So which steamOS version is gonna be arch?

[frank steeple]

The next one

[rotund dirge]

So version 4?

[frank steeple]

Idk

I'm not used to anything more than 2

[rotund dirge]

Hey @frank steeple I got an issue you might be able to help me with.

[frank steeple]

uhoh

[rotund dirge]

Whenever this computer I’m working on uses wget on some servers that use https, it says the certificate is invalid.

Even though it’s valid.

And the date on the system is right.

Any ideas?

[frank steeple]

Do you have an example?

[rotund dirge]

Hmm.

Yeah.

1 sec.

[ripe knot]

GuyInABlueShirt#9163 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[rotund dirge]

Of course.

What did I expect.

I DM it.

Maybe it’s an issue with Let’s Encrypt.

Hmmm, but no issue was not happening before I chrooted.

[true void]

[dusk kernel]

@rotund dirge ... is that maybe related to a certificate issue that screwed up a lot of stuff recently? I can't recall any details, just that a cert. failed and caused a lot of issues.

Uh... wow, yeah... that was maybe the most nebulous, vague and non-specific thing I've ever posted. LOL

OH! Yeah... maybe that "Let's Encryp" thing that happened recently....
https://houstonianonline.com/expired-lets-encrypt-certificate-failure-affects-millions-of-users-computer-news/

[rotund dirge]

Yeah that’s exactly it, I figured it out smh.

I figured it out over DM with Bob.

Really sucks because I can’t get new certs easily.

[frank steeple]

I played the role of the rubber duck that said a few thoughtful words every now and then 🤣

[strong plover]

Being the rubber ducky is so encouraging to the other person

[lean galleon]

so i think i figured out why my warthunder wont start

Open CL stuff runs fine

If i try to run anyhting Vulkan

it fails over to software rendering on the CPU

does the driver not support vulkan??

i installed the vulkan driver repository thingy

it changed nothing

i just had a stupid but crafty idea i wonder if

ima try somthin..

i think my internet just died

[tight eagle]

you are still here

[lean galleon]

im gonna try reinstalling warthunder

the driver is there

maybe since it is a install from a old OS install

it might just not know where the driver or whatev er is

if this dosent work im gonna flip

[true void]

(flip)

[lean galleon]

that didnt work

https://tenor.com/view/backflip-back-flip-gif-5547677

plz send help

im loosing my mind over this

https://tenor.com/view/baby-crying-baby-crying-gif-5943733

[true void]

I Know The Solution

I will not tell you you have to pay me

[true void]

bored gonna try out arch

[frank steeple]

Lame

[true void]

ur lame!!!!!!!

it has a cool logo

nevermind you were right this is lame as hell

[kind panther]

try genpoo

[true void]

actually i plan on it eventually

but only for like one specific thing

so ive heard its good when you want to do like one specific thing on a machine and nothing else

is that a misconception

[fallow belfry]

That's linux in a nutshell.
If you want to do more things you need to install 20+ packages to do it, but at least that's easy enough until you get into compiling some yourself.

[frank steeple]

Unix philosophy at play right there. Design your software to do one thing and do it well

[brave isle]

how do you do advanced startup on Deepin OS?

i wanna reinstall windows 10 on it but cant figure out how

[dusk kernel]

Do you want to....
A) dual-boot with Deepin and Windows
OR...
B) remove Deepin and install only Windows

[fallow belfry]

Grub can quickly and automatically handle almost any combination of OS's

You can even replace the windows bootloader with grub and it'll work

[brave isle]

B

[fallow belfry]

You'll just run the windows installer off a usb drive then

Most boards let you into bios to change settings by pressing delete during bootup

[brave isle]

yea that’s what i can’t figure out how to to deepin OS has no advanced startup option

[fallow belfry]

You don't need it. Just mash delete until the bios comes up when you're starting the computer.

[brave isle]

spam click or press and hold

[fallow belfry]

I usually spam click

[brave isle]

didnt work

lemme try f7, f10

its an HP so

got it its f10

BRO WHY DOES HP HAVE TO MAKE THE BIOS BEEEEEEEEEEEEP

@fallow belfry how do i boot from bios? ive done it before i just forget. i went to "boot
tab and then down to os boot manager, and selected the usb stick, and then saved

should i just exit bios now?

i f10’ed to save an exited bios but it booted into deepin again

[mortal totem]

Either change boot order or some mobo have boot override, do whichever save and exit

[brave isle]

idk what any of that means

[fallow belfry]

Usually it's + or - to change boot order, usb should be higher

[brave isle]

alr

• and - didnt work

[mortal totem]

Idk what os manager does but right above it is the uefi boot order menu it seems

[brave isle]

it doesnt actually let me on that

[mortal totem]

Lol, password blocked?

[brave isle]

no

[mortal totem]

What’s it say

[rotund dirge]

According to this it says you have no USB plugged in.

[brave isle]

nothing, what i mean is it doesnt actually let me on ir

[brave isle]

i do? its the sandisk USB

[rotund dirge]

Oh that list is your boot order.

[brave isle]

thats the one i just installed windows 11 media on

[brave isle]

@mortal totem

[mortal totem]

Oh

[rotund dirge]

This is your UEFI boot order.

[brave isle]

yes

[rotund dirge]

That whole area is.

[mortal totem]

Can you select usb

[brave isle]

and i cant change the boot order

im clicking enter for USB flash drive and nothings happening

[mortal totem]

Idk how to navigate hp oem bios, you gonna have to play with it, try select then up and down arrows or something

[brave isle]

bro this is impossible

i cant figure out how to boot into this usb stick

[brave isle]

literally impossible. i can not figure out how to revert

[mortal totem]

What laptop or desktop is this

[brave isle]

hp pavilion x360 convertible

laptop

deepin OS

@mortal totem sorry for pings i keep forgetting to use reply

wait

i think i did it

i spam pressed f9 to go into a direct boot manager and boot from the usb there lemme see if it works

YES

LETS GOI

[mortal totem]

Nice

I was going to say their support page is not very helpful

[brave isle]

no its nor

not*

[true void]

aw

damn I arrived too late I know exactly how hp bios works

[fallow belfry]

"works"

[true void]

^

[strong plover]

Hp bios are no good

[dusk kernel]

BIOS are basic but GRUB is grand.

[strong plover]

Uefi mmmmm

[strong plover]

(I didn’t mean to say all bios are bad, I have an hp laptop, so does my friend, the bios are not the best)

[true void]

god i love gnome

[humble kindle]

Gross

[strong plover]

Hey

Gnome isn’t too bad

It’s very simple

But it’s standard

And easy

[sleek halo]

Gnome is pretty nice but I like cinnamon the most usually

[strong plover]

I’ve never used cinnamon, but I like Kde the best. Although I will say, I’ve only used the gnome that is bundled with default Ubuntu, never the “real thing” (it’s basically the same though)

[rotund dirge]

Isn’t cinnamon a fork of gnome 2?

[sleek halo]

It was a fork of gnome at first

but many things have changed since then

[frank steeple]

Cinnamon meh

[strong plover]

Yeah

[true void]

actually after thinking about it more

most of the desktop environments ive tried I really liked out of the box

[true void]

bored gonna try out arch again

[strong plover]

Of all the people I know of, you’ve used the most DEs in the shortest Time.

[true void]

so true

[strong plover]

In the form of manjaro?

Or like actually arch

[true void]

i have nothing better to do

[dusk kernel]

You should acquire a Raspberry Pi and do some educational tinkering. 🙂

[strong plover]

Watch Jeff geerling and get overinspired, and then get a raspi and solve the problems of the world

[dusk kernel]

I watched one of Jeff's NAS videos yesterday because I'm trying to come up with a simple and affordable 1-drive NAS for a friend. I think the best route in this case is using a second router that has a USB3 port and attaching a "dumb" drive to be used as a NAS. But I digress. 🙂

[dusk kernel]

AKA.... Cinnamehn.

[strong plover]

That would work, or use a raspi 4 2gb and use openmediavault. Then it’s expandable and has a lot more file sharing options and controls

[dusk kernel]

Something like that was my first thought, but I think Raspi 4's are not easy to get right now. I could be wrong though.

[frank steeple]

You should be able to

[dusk kernel]

My fave place, Adafruit, is out of stock and a quick search didn't find anything at MSRP. I'm certainly not going to by a 4GB version on Amazon for $99.

But I found several used router options on Amazon and Ebay for around $20-30. That includes limiting router choice to those that can be flashed with DD-WRT.

[true void]

ok so I think I found my favorite

weirdly enough its mate

with compiz

it looked like absolute rotten dog kidney when I first started it but after tweaking it a bit it looks great

[fallow belfry]

"Absolute rotten dog kidney" is my new favorite phrase, thank you

[dusk kernel]

emy, here's a checklist for ya so you don't miss any popular DE's...
https://fossbytes.com/best-linux-desktop-environments/

[true void]

tysm

[strong plover]

Yeah i looked up RPis, whyyyy are they all not in stock

There are some kits on amazon though

And if they want a nas, they’ll need some sort of case, power supply, etc.

[strong plover]

Then that might be the best choice

@true void glad you found one you like. But judging from past habits you’ll probably change your mind next week

Ah yes, rotten dog kidney. Ima use that so much

[dusk kernel]

@strong ploverRaspi's use silicone chips and there seems to be somewhat of a global shortage of those.

Yeah, I love Raspi's and I constantly find myself dreaming about "I bet I could do [random project] with a Raspi!" even though I know I don't have the skill set required for that random project, nor do I have the time to acquire that skill set. LOL

[strong plover]

That makes sense, but i guess i thought they weren’t really effected by the shortage because they still had stuff in stock for msrp.

[strong plover]

SAME

I have so many ideas and so much inspiration, like someday I’m going to put a computer type thing in my car using a raspi, and someday (hopefully first of next year) I’m going to make a nas to keep some of my files on (mainly pictures, videos, MuseScore project files etc) because i switch between windows and Linux and ipad and iPhone and such (I’ll be able to work on stuff between OSs), and two raspi security type cameras. Fun stuff. I guess I’m mostly limited by budget lol

[zealous lantern]

I like seeing what people come up with once they get their Razz Berry Pis.

[strong plover]

Razzy razzy

[strong plover]

Does anyone know of software for Linux/Ubuntu that is like GPU-Z? Or for that matter, msi afterburner for Linux?

[frank steeple]

nvidia or amd?

[strong plover]

Nvidia

[fallow belfry]

Green with envy

^ Yes that's the actual package name

Should be easy to find on a debian system, it's in the repos

Otherwise you'll want flathub https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.leinardi.gwe

[strong plover]

I couldn’t find it in APT or even as a download anywhere, the only thing is the flat hub. Is that the best choice? I’m on Ubuntu

[frank steeple]

Yes

[strong plover]

Is this power section the equivalent to the power limit slider in afterburner?

[fallow belfry]

It's more accurate than a % slider because it lets you select an exact number

[strong plover]

Cool! I guess I don’t really know what specific power is best, percent was a little easier, but yeah, having full control is nice

[fallow belfry]

You can take your known % and convert pretty easily, like 75% would be 150W

[bright shell]

I can't wait for EAC and Battleye to support Proton and get more support for Native Linux

[frank steeple]

EAC is already supported

[bright shell]

On Proton?

Eventually, even though I did upgrade my Desktop to Windows 11, I'd like to move to Linux.

Though, for my Desktop I'd have to sacrifice some of the features like Nvidia Reflex and DLSS

Oh, and Nvidia still doesn't play well with Wayland, so I'm stuck with X

[frank steeple]

On proton and natively

[frank steeple]

Don't bother with wayland, x is fine

[bright shell]

Really? Hmmm

[frank steeple]

Also nvidia is getting ready for or has launched DLSS for proton

Haven't checked on that in a bit

[bright shell]

I'm super tempted to switch like, soon. But I am holding off until I know that Monster Hunter Rise will run on Proton.

And if DLSS will run on Proton, then I may stay Nvidia then for a long time.

If only AMD's DLSS competitor was good

I'd also have to have New World working on Linux to make the switch.

Currently borked

[frank steeple]

tbf, it's borked on windows too

[bright shell]

I encountered no bugs for launch weem

*week

Except the long AF queues

[nocturne dragon]

I don't know where else to ask about this (any forums, other discord servers, etc.) so I believe this will be my best option. I asked something similar before but it was way too broad so it led to cookie cutter answers and responses that may not be the most applicable to me (Ubuntu, Mint, Pop).

I specify a lot of what I am looking for but some things I can be flexible on where needed. I have tried Ubuntu, Mint, and Pop_Os with Pop being the best for me by far. I love the customizability I have seen possible with KDE Plasma online.

I plan to switch from Windows 10 to Linux permanently by the end of this year (hopefully by Christmas) and am struggling to find a distribution that fits some of my needs. Can someone help recommend either some good distributions based on my criteria or recommend a location to find info on various Linux distributions?

My criteria:

• Must be able to support use of Chromium (to replace my Chrome), Discord, Steam, Heroic launcher (to replace Epic Games launcher), some simple streaming software (to replace OBS if it isn't natively supported), and some easy to use software for my Brio webcam
• Must be customizable with nice appearance on initial install (I really disliked Mint's interface for reference but liked Pop if that helps)
• Has a good application store w/ debian packages, flatpacks, etc. (the more native support the better)
• Has good gaming support
• Has GUI options for most hardware options (I was forced to use terminal for hours to setup a TV on our living room PC that was running Pop_Os and we still couldn't even make it run at 4k above 30FPS).
• Has good driver support
• Has an easy to use beginner user experience that allows growth to becoming a Linux power user. I really love learning more and more about Linux and want to learn to be able to tinker with it
• Has good online support for when problems come up (you can always find good support and help for issues with Ubuntu itself or Ubuntu distros from my experience).

[ripe knot]

CyberianFaux#3044 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[nocturne dragon]

I didn't duplicate text but bots can't tell the difference. I gave a TL;DR of what I typed. I guess I will just have to hope someone will actually read what I typed instead. :/

[fallow belfry]

Pulled from the depths of the trash can

Probably PopOS with Proton is going to be the best gaming compatibility right now

[frank steeple]

I'm going to guess it was the dots that set it off

I'd also go with pop honestly

If you're looking for another option to try you could take a look at Garuda

[nocturne dragon]

@fallow belfry Thank you for reposting that part. Also, thank you for the suggestion

@frank steeple Thank you for being straightforward with me about it! I might just have to go Pop and install KDE Plasma over it.

I heard Manjaro is also really nice if you are okay with Arch based linux distributions but I know nothing about the pros and cons of Arch based over Debian/Ubuntu based.

[frank steeple]

Manjaro was promising at first, but I feel like they didn't execute on it well

Tldr about generic arch based vs generic debian based, the only main difference is the package manager, which will do pretty much the same thing for both systems just in slightly different ways

Arch based package managers do tend to be faster though

[nocturne dragon]

So, that is almost a moot option then?

What do you particularly dislike about Manjaro @frank steeple ?

I love to gather what insight I can understand from those that have lots of reasoning behind what they have to say (experience in what they are talking about) about things I am interested in.

[frank steeple]

It's fine, they just didn't live up to their promises and the dev team is honestly kinda a mess

[nocturne dragon]

Ah okay

[nocturne dragon]

@frank steeple I know it is late but I have been watching videos and some new distros came up I have never heard of before and was wondering if you have heard of them and your thoughts on them. The two that came up were Zorin OS and Feren OS.

Both are Ubuntu based if I am not mistaken (Nvm, Feren Os may be Linux Mint based) . Zorin seems focused towards beginners (I don't know if I would still be in that category or not) and Feren is more focused on KDE Plasma based customization.

[strong plover]

You might have more bugs and less support with newer or smaller distros, you will probably want to stick to something more well known

[nocturne dragon]

Ah okay

[strong plover]

But im not a higher being like boblasershark. Listen to him first.

[fallow belfry]

Mint is Ubuntu based so by extension so are all derivatives

[kind panther]

linux mint is based on ubuntu which is based on debian btw

[fallow belfry]

Yep

[nocturne dragon]

@kind panther @fallow belfry I know Mint is Ubuntu based but it is less direct so I thought I should clarify it more. Sorry for potential confusion

[kind panther]

what?

[nocturne dragon]

There can be minor changes on a kernel level and such that can lead to certain issues for some distros that aren't present in distros they are based on, no?

[fallow belfry]

The kernel itself is basically the same in all distros from the same root

You can even download generic ones from kernel.org

[nocturne dragon]

Hmm, I thought that some had some minor changes to the kernel. My bad then

[fallow belfry]

Debian is different from arch, but if you look at the repos mint is downloading the exact same packages as Ubuntu

[nocturne dragon]

Btw, thank you to everyone helping me to learn on here. I am grateful for this resource as I know nowhere else to ask things about this

[fallow belfry]

There's plenty of forums you can ask on too. When I was starting with Linux I frequented the Ubuntu forum for help when I broke it every day

[nocturne dragon]

@fallow belfry That makes more sense. Although, it brings up the question to me why someone would mention that it was overlooked that that distro was Mint based since the video already stated it was Ubuntu based.

Wait, how'd you break Ubuntu?

Genuinely curious as the worst I managed to do was make an unusable OS from trying to replace the Ubuntu install with a Pop_Os install to preserve files from the days before while using Ubuntu and deciding I didn't like it (some things were just so unintuitive on it for me)

[fallow belfry]

Oh you know, installing unofficial packages, compiling my own programs, missing dependencies, oh and once I forgot I switched to raid mode and Linux freaked out, had to reinstall

[nocturne dragon]

Oh

Tbh, we have just been really safe with our usage of it similar to how we are with Windows

[fallow belfry]

I like to break things, it's how I learn best lol

[nocturne dragon]

I have to know at least something about a website before I open up their automatically downloaded executable, lol

Fair enough

Although, I will admit that I was caught off-guard as to how I broke our first install

I followed some instructions from some users on how to connect to the repository directly and replace Ubuntu with Pop_Os. I followed the steps directly but ended up with an Os with some features of both but missing the same pieces necessary to use it

[fallow belfry]

Yeah I could see how a conversion like that could be problematic

[nocturne dragon]

It had no dock or panels but I could use the super key to run programs such as the terminal

Apparently, because the two are so close I should've been able to do it problem free but no such luck came our way, lol

We did a proper install of Pop_Os next and fell in love with it on the living room PC (even though we were forced to run the 4k TV at 1080p 60 because 60 fps couldn't be forced at 4k which was supported on the Windows side of things).

[fallow belfry]

Yeah the problem with a conversion guide would be it doesn't account for anything that might have been installed or updated since the guide was written. Dependencies change, resulting in broken packages.

[nocturne dragon]

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't be shocked if it was for the previous LTS version of Ubuntu rather than the one we were on.

I just hope I can get a smooth experience when it comes to setting up my monitor as it is a 144Hz monitor from AOC.

I know I can get my Huion tablet to work as I believe I just have to create a custom config file for a driver that comes with Pop since that looks to be my most likely choice. I have also heard Logitech has generally good driver support for my webcam and keyboard.

[rotund dirge]

I love this.

[dusk kernel]

That should be updated to "50-year old computer system" but otherwise... yep. 😄

[rotund dirge]

LOL it’s probably an old boo.

[strong plover]

It is so plausible

[mortal totem]

Lol

[ripe knot]

cprknz#9131 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[odd ferry]

It says bad word usage. May I know what word was bad so u can change it.

[fallow belfry]

"Sorry for the long s---"

[odd ferry]

Ok so I pray this is the right section please don't boot me out without telling me why and allowing me to correct my mostake. Seems that keeps happening.
Specs mobo - Asus strix z390-e/ 9900k/rtx 3080

Trying to get Linux installed on my 2nd ssd. 1st prob is garuda gaming build refuses to verify in ethcher after installing to USB drive. I tried 2 diff ones, diff USB ports. the setup guide says
"Disable fastboot and secure boot. It may not be possible to disable the latter explicity - try clearing the secure boot keys instead. "
I can't find how to disable secure boot on my board completely and I don't know if it's safe to delete those keys since I have windows installed on another ssd and use it daily.
Also it doesn't see the USB drives as bootable.
I was able to create bootable usb drives with a diff live Linux iso using a diff program but it was really bad and I deleted it along with the installer it used.
I have asked and googled my heart and fingers and brain and youtubed.

Lastly I haven't used Linux since the mid 2000s, I know my way around building rigs and hardware level stuff but not a software engineer or a programmer or a super user guy. I just strongly dislike windows with a passion now and I'm set on converting to Linux. I game and I mine crypto on this personal rig on a personal scale with a single nvidia gpu. No I'm not rich I don't own a bunch of cards bro and no I'm not ruining the environment. I just want to be able to run nicehash, stop it when I want and jump on a game on steam or play some emulators, surf the web and watch YouTube and Im a sucker for ease of use and a nice gui, I have to say I loved the looks and sounds of garuda dragoned so I chose the gaming distro. I also play some vr games with my valve index if that matters.

Any help appreciated. Sorry for long spill but this may help me get a better answer.

[fallow belfry]

It's safe to turn off secure boot, Windows might complain once but it'll get over it.

Unless it's Windows 11, I don't recommend that

For gaming I'd recommend PopOS with Proton compatibility installed

You can overclock your nvidia GPU using GreenWithEnvy, it should be in the Pop app store

You don't need the nicehash client to mine to your nicehash wallet, you can just configure a miner yourself and give it your wallet address so you still get your btc.

I think that covers everything? Let me know if I skimmed over something

[odd ferry]

Oh ok thanks. So why won't garuda Linux verify and why won't my pc see it booting like it does windows bootable usb drives. And my bios didn't have an option to disable secure boot fully. It's very confusing. I can't find anyone who's ever shown this bios setup for Linux. It maybe I should just buy a new motherboard that more people use for Linux. And garuda Linux dragonized seems more optimized than pop and had more along side it that interested me for gaming after watching tons of videos on both.

[fallow belfry]

Like it says, just delete the secure boot keys and it'll disable itself

Then it should stop checking the secure boot table for an OS and start looking at the drives instead

The beauty of Linux is it's seamless to have all your user data on a separate partition from the system and apps, so if you decide to change later you can just wipe the system partition and keep your data.

[odd ferry]

Ok cool so what are the secure boot keys for exactly

[fallow belfry]

They're just an extra layer of security that ensures the system will only boot on your motherboard

[fallow belfry]

Oh I see what you mean now. Try another flash drive

I've got some that don't like having bootable stuff on them

[odd ferry]

I got it finally thanks. Any advice on how to mine to my nicehash wallet on Linux without knowing code? I need a gui

[true void]

aight y'all obvious dumb quesstion but would I get more performance out of adaptive compositor

[rotund dirge]

Hmm, you’re probably best asking that on #846508336543301653

But there are Linux clients. Idk about having a gui though. What would you need a gui for? Just run it in terminal and let it do work.

[strong plover]

If you want a gui, T-Rex might be a good choice for you. It runs in a terminal, but it has a beautiful web gui you go to from your browser. @odd ferry

[odd ferry]

Thanks chip. I haven't become the Linux master yet most of you are. It's a beautiful thing to see people know more more I but for me I can't get the hang of cli just yet and I'm quite over whelmed. I need to use Linux and learn it and for me the only way I will is if I use Linux and since I'm broke af I need to let my pc mine 24-7 to help pay for food currently since I got affected by the pandemic in ways I didn't predict. I learn better from experience and hands on. But like now I'm forced to stay on windows because there's no program I can download and just paste my wallet into and change my clock and memory and power settings like nichehash quickminer. It's a shame they have hive and nhos but no stand alone programs that are newbie friendly as the os itself. Very very very sad an discouraging. I wish I could learn cli in a day but I've been trying to pick it up here and there haven't picked up much since I'm still not using Linux as my main os yet since I can't get a miner to work. Is there any one who gives Linux tutorials I can pay ? Like a Linux tutor

[true void]

I mean

you can just ask us

you dont really need to pay someone, anyone here will freely answer your questions out of either the kindness of their heart or the lack of something better to do

(also a lot of people in other places will do the same)

[sleek halo]

There are many really good free Linux courses out on the internet

There are many good ones on Youtube

[strong plover]

It’s not necessary to “learn” cli, you only need to know the couple commands to type for a certain thing, and google is your friend to help find the commands quick. And yes, there are tons of tutorials on line, and if you have other questions you can just just type them here. I’m not a Linux master or anything, but lots of other people are. We can either answer them or point you to a tutorial somewhere else.

Also, using Salad/saladbind is very easy on Linux. I’ve been using it, and you don’t actually have to type ANYTHING into the terminal. Just arrow keys to select the right option. And I use T. rex with that too, so nice gui. I haven’t quite figured out overclocking on Linux, but I have the software, Green With Envy. (I think Falcie knows a lot more about that than I do).

And if you use salad, you don’t have to worry about a crypto exchange or anything, you can get gift cards like visa and Amazon.

Correction: I use saladbind on Linux and it’s easy. The salad software isn’t the best at choosing an algorithm.

[true void]

[true void]

wait yeah I forgot about that

anyway I made a thing

[strong plover]

Wait is it a terminal background? @true void

[true void]

what

[strong plover]

Like the picture behind you terminal with Newegg and stuff

[true void]

yeah that's a terminal backgrounf

[strong plover]

My pfp is on it 🥲

[true void]

its

transparent

[strong plover]

Oh so that’s your wallapaper showing through

How did you get the Rock Paper Scissors game

[true void]

I made it in javascript

also it's not playable it picks random values and then like does that

it plays rps w/ itself

[strong plover]

Cool! Congratulations

[true void]

ty!!

[strong plover]

Ohhh I see

The transparent would bother me to no end

But glad it works for you

[true void]

the text is bright enough to where its not much of an issue

also!!!!!!!!!!!!

I settled on using mate

[strong plover]

Oh nice

Glad it’s not distracting

LEZZZ GOOOOO!!! You decided!!!!!!!

Wait is mate a distro or DE

[true void]

de

when I first installed it it looked like weird early 2000s ios but it looks like the screenshot I posted now

[strong plover]

It looks slick! What theme is it?

[true void]

oh its not actlly a theme

u can set a background for ur taskbar

[strong plover]

But like within DEs there are themes, right? Like materia, breeze, etc

I don’t know maybe I’m just thinking of Kde

But whatever it is, it’s smooth

Can you send a screenshot of your app list/launcher/thing-that-pops-up-when-you-press-the-Meta-key?

[true void]

hi sorry laptop died but im back now

ok so while that charges

it's actually just the default linux mint menu

I frankensteined it onto the taskbar

(it just goes there u can select it)

[true void]

there are but in the screenshot the theme isn't really affecting anything, all it changes are my folder icons, window borders, etc

(also its mint-dark-red)

[strong plover]

The window borders is what I was wondering about, like the red x

[true void]

oh yeah it's just a default mint theme

srry

[dusk kernel]

No, I'm not the least bit confused by name changes.

[true void]

desktop environment queen

[strong plover]

So you’re using mint stuff (cinnamon) on mate?

[true void]

im using the xfce terminal and screenshot tool, and then some gnome stuff I think

[dusk kernel]

I predict that this DE and/or distro will change within... hmmm.... 3 weeks. chuckle

[true void]

and then the cinnamon menu

certainly the DE

[strong plover]

Hey @dusk kernel I don’t think it will, he’s mixed and matched so much that he’s practically using all of the DEs

[strong plover]

Do you use shotwell from gnome

[dusk kernel]

Hmmm... fair point. LOL

[true void]

no :(((((

oh wait also the cinnamon system monitor

[strong plover]

I like shotwell kind of

[true void]

I dont actually use any of the KDE stuff because it has this issue where the font is all like 𝔚𝔢 𝔱𝔥𝔢 𝔓𝔢𝔬𝔭𝔩𝔢

[strong plover]

Does it show gpu usage? Cause KSysGuard doesn’t

[true void]

cinnamon no

[strong plover]

Oh you never figured that out? Sad

[true void]

yeah no matter how many KDE settings I changed or how many 1700's fonts I nuked it never actually reverted

[strong plover]

I want a system monitor that show gpu usage, neither gnomes or Kde doesn’t show it and I can’t figure out how to see it’s useage

[true void]

kind of a shame bcuz I liked kate

[strong plover]

Did you edit the default file? Cause I know for default cursor you can go in and manually change default stuff

[true void]

actually wait I never thought of just

doing that

[strong plover]

I had to look online to find the path of the right file

But it’s not too complicated

You have to open it in a text editor like kwrite and then change allll the different default lines

For the cursor anyways

[true void]

also here's the menu

[strong plover]

Oh sweet

[true void]

is it just me or is the server dying

[strong plover]

Nah the server keeps dying

I’m scared it’ll get deleted and we’ll never find each other again. So many horrible possibilities. Or we might all get murdered.

[dusk kernel]

Well that's an uplifting thought, geez. LOL

[true void]

[true void]

wait actuially I forgot to offer

oh

well my code contains swear words I cant post it

lemme just fix that rq

ok please excuse the awful

[frank steeple]

Suddenly I have an urge to represent the move choice with a unit quaternion

[true void]

I'm Not Going To Lie I Have No Idea What That Is I Just Started Learning This Today

[strong plover]

Thanks! I may have to ask you tomorrow how to run it xD im not familiar with js

Except for js Bach

[strong plover]

What a legend.

[frank steeple]

Rock is i, paper is j, scissors is k. Multiple the moves together to get the results. -1 is a tie, negative imaginary result means player one lost, positive imaginary result means player one won

[true void]

aw wait

would that still allow me to specify how they lost

like what they lost To

I can't comprehend half of what you just said sorry

[frank steeple]

Yup

[true void]

funny graph

[frank steeple]

There's the multiplication table

[frank steeple]

Tldr, it's a four dimensional imaginary number. Often used to represent rotations, but also works nicely for rock paper scissors

[strong plover]

That almost makes sense to me. It’s like wow. I want to know how to use it know xD

[fallow belfry]

So what you're saying is...
Rock Paper Scissors champions think 4th dimensionally?

[kind panther]

I thought they were just lucky

heh

[fallow belfry]

You'd be surprised I think, there's a lot of psychology involved in RPS

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-blame-game/201504/the-surprising-psychology-rock-paper-scissors

[strong plover]

There’s two strategies. One is to do the thing that they just did, because they wont be doing it again. And the other is to not do that because they’ll be repeating.

And they contradict

[fallow belfry]

It's harder to play against an amateur because they're more unpredictable but frequent players will tend to choose the same thing they won with last

You can also do mind games like, "I dare you to pick rock again" which will probably lead to them picking either paper or rock, so paper is a safe move

[strong plover]

Yeah, it’s crazy how intense it can be

[frank steeple]

So I was tired last night and did my math wrong lol. Negative results means player one won

[true void]

does tha

t like

also mean player 2 lost

[frank steeple]

If player one won player two lost

[true void]

hours later I dont even know why I asked that

I Have Grown As A Person

[strong plover]

It Is Good to Ask Questions to Clarify things That might not be Clear

[rotund dirge]

What if nothing is clear?

[strong plover]

ask Questions

to Find Out

and Learn

which Things are Not clear

[strong plover]

profound Wisdom here If you ask Me

[frank steeple]

Why are we Talking Like This?

[strong plover]

Is there Not freedom Of Expression?

[rotund dirge]

There’s freedom of expression and there’s typing incorrectly.

[strong plover]

It is Comedic Emphasis

[strong plover]

well? do You have An Argument?

[true void]

Apparently Not

[strong plover]

we Win these

GG

[true void]

no thats premature victory celebration never d othat

also hi

[strong plover]

I Claimed the Victory, they are Too Late

Hi :)

[true void]

why is ur smiley face like

Ominous

[strong plover]

No reason :)

I’m not Creepy Or ominous :)

desktop environment Queen :)

[true void]

desktop environment queen

[strong plover]

desktop environment queen

[brave isle]

Mint mate? Nice.

[true void]

its not like an officail mate mint distro

its just

mint

that I put mate on

[brave isle]

Well Mint comes with a mate option, no?

[true void]

yes but its not up to date

[true void]

you were right trying out xfce

[bright shell]

XFCE is dope

I wish PopOS had a XFCE spin

[frank steeple]

Just install xfce

It should have it in its software repository

[bright shell]

Yeah, and then I'd have to set it to start XFCE instead of gnome

[frank steeple]

There should be a button on the log in screen to select which one you start

Should look something like this

[bright shell]

Ohhh

That's neat.

I might do that on my laptop then

[frank steeple]

This is one of the reasons that you don't usually use arch as a first distro. You get no feel for how simple Linux really is

[rotund dirge]

It’s nice because you can just use GDM with any DE. I usually like to install a DE with its own login manager though.

[frank steeple]

I like gdm for any de

[bright shell]

Gdm?

[frank steeple]

Gnome desktop manager

Aka your login screen

[bright shell]

Ah

[true void]

might remake this I got further in the course

[strong plover]

I don’t know js, so the syntax is weird to me loL. (Can’t help me being dumb). What course are you taking? Is it like a beginner kids course or a good hs or college course? I might try learning some of that, or just do python again

[true void]

codecademy

definitely beginner, not sure abt kids

its pretty good, i wouldnt be able to pick up anything in a class

its a completely extracurricular thing im just doing it because I want to

i dont mean to sound like a marketer but I managed to pick up enough to make that rps after using it for a day so that prob says smtn abt it

[frank steeple]

JS just isn't worth unless you go into webdev imo. If you're looking for a nice useful language I'd go for python

[nocturne dragon]

The other day I installed Zorin OS on our living room computer for my dad as he wanted something closer to Windows and he was really impressed with it.

I genuinely was too because it would probably be really nice for people trying out Linux for the first time so they get a taste of the customizability with familiar desktop setups from windows, Mac, etc. It also has really nice features for those that accidentally download .exe files and try to run them where it recommends a compatible alternative or gives the option to auto-install the software to try to run it anyways in the OS (Lutris, Wine, etc.).

Have you heard of Zorin before @frank steeple ? I just recently heard of it and tried it out. Turns out it has existed for a while now but I have never heard anyone talk about it online but through a single YouTube channel that covers many different distros. Their viewers helped them to stumble upon it and they put it in their top 5 list of Linux distros (he had one distro for 5 different categories in no particular order).

[strong plover]

I have a friend who dual booted his dads old laptop with Ubuntu and Zorin, but neither of them like zorin. Idk why

[dusk kernel]

After reading the main page of their web site... https://zorin.com/os/ ... that seems pretty interesting. I might give it a try on my old system after I upgrade the Fedora install on my current system.

It's interesting that they have a "free" version and a "Pro" version, for $39 USD. That might offend some of the purist types.

[nocturne dragon]

I would recommend trying it at least if you are wiping your system anyways. It may or may not be for some people.

From what I saw, the paid packages are just custom themes in the OS with the option to purchase it inside the OS (can be disabled so it doesn't show any message at all)

[dusk kernel]

I'll probably just install it on a random HDD or SSD and disconnect the existing drives. heh heh

[nocturne dragon]

fair enough, lol

My dad liked Pop_Os as well tbf but he said that he hated how "ugly" it was to him

[dusk kernel]

There's a feature chart here... https://zorin.com/os/pro/

[nocturne dragon]

Almost like he felt it looked dated (Pop_Os that is)

[dusk kernel]

Yaeh, "the look" is pretty subjective. I kinda hate the current trend of the "flat" look. I'm old and like some of the "glossy" looking stuff. heh heh

[nocturne dragon]

@dusk kernel Fair point. I personally love the look of frosted glass (not the opacity increased stuff to simulate it)

Like a frosted glass chess set or something

https://www.wayfair.com/CROSTER--Glass-Chess-Set-Elegant-Design-Durable-Build-Fully-Functional-32-Frosted-And-Clear-Pieces-Felted-Bottoms-Easy-To-Carry-Reassuringly-Stable-CROSTERec4ce5a-L159-K~COBT2250.html?refid=GX107983289906-COBT2250&device=c&ptid=1440853239501&network=g&targetid=aud-976909297628:pla-1440853239501&channel=GooglePLA&ireid=163331564&fdid=1817&gclid=CjwKCAjw2bmLBhBREiwAZ6ugo1bXzKOlUWx7_-3rwRLwsK_kzqwaAoaRzIaXSEIgQLo027wWXDpgbBoCI6cQAvD_BwE

Like that

[dusk kernel]

Right... just anything that gives the illusion of "depth" is nice.

[nocturne dragon]

Agreed, I love depth, contrast, and, most of all, practicality tbh

I am not one for jelly modes.

I know that is definitely a taste thing but I don't want some types of animations that can slow me down while doing things.

[dusk kernel]

Same here. I use very little desktop animation.

[frank steeple]

idk, it's overall just kinda meh to me

[nocturne dragon]

Very fair.

I tried installing KDE Plasma over Pop_Os and wasn't very satisfied while customizing it

I almost felt like there was too much customizability tbh

[frank steeple]

https://zorin.com/grid/
This feature does kinda interest me, but besides that it's not really that different from other distros to me

[nocturne dragon]

I personally don't know how to feel about KDE Plasma. I love to be able to customize things but there was just so much to customize it felt like I would never be able to finish customizing it before getting too bored to continue or, at least, finish making it work how I would like it.

[dusk kernel]

It does require a bit of constraint. 😄

[frank steeple]

KDE customization wouldn't be too bad if the settings were organized better

[strong plover]

I kinda like Kde settings. No it’s not easy, but there’s sooo many options and I like too may options

Although I haven’t really had a chance to customize it a ton

[nocturne dragon]

@frank steeple This. I couldn't put into words my issues with it but I believe this may be it

[bright shell]

You can just change which DE you use for Pop_OS

My preferred DE is XFCE, but I do like default Gnome too

Gnome gives me a bit of MacOS vibes, without all of the quirky issues of MacOS

Like, who thought putting the Window Controls (Minimize, Maximize and Close) on the LEFT was a good idea?

[frank steeple]

People who put it there when there was no established standard for anything gui related

[bright shell]

Yes, but most people are Right Handed, and so... most things should be placed... on the right.

[frank steeple]

That makes no difference

[kind panther]

It makes sense that many mice out there are made for right handed people only. With a gui it makes no difference

[bright shell]

I mean, it does make a difference.

[kind panther]

No

It doesnt

[frank steeple]

If you have a touch screen maybe

With a mouse it makes no difference

[bright shell]

If your input device is on the right, it makes sense to have most of your controls... on the same side.

[kind panther]

Even then ur still gonna be using ur dominant hand to interact with it

Not like right side of the screen goes to right and left part goes to left

[frank steeple]

So explain why most menus and controls are on the left

[bright shell]

Because people are stupid?

Hell, I'm Left Handed and I complain about this issue.

[kind panther]

And people who are right handed dont

[frank steeple]

I think that's just you

[kind panther]

Hmmm

[kind panther]

Most things are tbf

[mortal totem]

Having used macs and windows pcs for 10+years each i can say it never bothered me and have no problem adjusting to the ui

xD

[frank steeple]

Maybe it's because we're a left to right culture, it make logical sense for headers and static stuff to be on the left

[bright shell]

Either, put it all on the Top/Bottom, or Right

[kind panther]

Same. I use windows, mac, a few linux distros and theres no real ui adjustment needed for me

[kind panther]

Or you find a way to deal with it

[frank steeple]

ngl, I never even use those buttons

[mortal totem]

Its just a matter of what you are used to i dont find one more inconvenient than the other

Yes bob

Who needs gui anyway

[frank steeple]

Having that little title bar on the top of the window with the window controls feels like wasted space

[kind panther]

Yeah i have hide the bottom bar on all my oses

[frank steeple]

I hide all the stuff I can

Like on windows, that little bar at the top of the window is something like 30 pixels

[kind panther]

Lemme show u my windows desktop actually