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And rolling release distros have their place. Their place is not on a machine I need to stay reliable.
Though you usually don’t have problems with them tbh.
aur is awesome
It can be yes.
along with pacman package manager in general :)
But AUR give me problems.
Your classes already started? Rip.
i reserve my right to delete stupid gifs
Admin aboos
@rotund dirge initial elementary os review. 3 ryan reynolds out of 2 cheeseburgers
Deleted what?
Interesting rating
I have elem os on one pc but my sister mostly uses it for workout vids i rarely touch. But hey that means she is able to use it without my help so id say it works nicely for noobs even
It works great and is very intuitive without babying you around
Yes
yup
It's solid
Say what you want about customizability and DIY, but pop and elem are propbably the types of distros that's going to make the year of the linux PC actually possible
And then there's the fact that once you know what you're doing in Linux the only major difference between distros is their package managers and repos
As some YouTuber once said (distro tube I think), most pc users use their OS as a boot loader for Google Chrome.
Could have been old tech bloke though.
gimp is a cool program because it has things like Goat Exercise and Convolution Matrix and other scifi weapon names
lol
I didn’t know that actually.
I don’t use gimp like that, just light editing and it’s just moving and decreasing canvas size.
i use it to make transparents of stuff all the time
also like did anyone else have connectivity issues in windows but not linux like since switching to mint my connection just isnt flickering anymore
Like on wifi or Ethernet?
wifi
I had the exact opposite happen actually. I have a laptop that has issues on Linux, but not on windows.
Its just driver support I suppose.
Convolution matrix is just a general math thing
Hopefully not windows.
I mean like I Don t need it back
Oh lol you removed windows from your grub.
So much easier to configure grub legacy if you break stuff.
there's not rlly anything I can't run, my main programs were audacity and gimp anyway
Grub2 has weird entries and crap.
Fair enough, I still use windows for gaming.
Because I play F2P games with weird proprietary anti cheat.
Reason: Bad word usage
yeah,,,,,,
Hmmmmmm
anyway all my games seem to run better under wine than they did in windows for some reason although ive mostly tested older stuff so far
Well, Valorant’s anti cheat for sure won’t work on Linux.
That’s almost all of what I play on my PC.
That and FPS games.
So I’d play Far cry 6 on my PC.
the only multiplayer game i played semi regularly was tf2 but then i just kinda got burnt out
And play literally every other genre on my PS5.
oh cool my names green
also question is mint considered like somehow frowned upon will i get shot for using it
ive tried out a few and just ended up liking mint bcuz it was super easy to set up and i didnt have to hunt for wireless drivers
honorable mention to puppy it made my pc bark when i turned it on
Because people are elitists. Use what you like.
Pop!_OS and ElementaryOS are also like that.
And, I've also never had to "hunt for wireless drivers" in any install of Linux.
Even bare metal Arch had my laptop's Wi-Fi driver.
The arch installer also tries to include as many WiFi drivers as possible, since you're kinda screwed on arch without any internet. You just have to remember to install them in your chroot
That's not a big surprise
Arch ships with just as much if not more wifi drivers than most of the beginner friendly repos
LOL
XD
Ubuntu goes somewhere in the middle too
i have a usb adapter
its usually not supported and i have to download manufacturer drivers
but theyre only available for ubuntu based distros
so unless there's community drivers im sometimes kinda screwed
Sounds like... you should get a PCIe adapter.
That won't necessarily fix anything
I mean, my PCIe Wi-Fi adapter has worked flawlessly on Linux.
It's a standard Intel chipset.
wouldnt fit in my build anyway
Yours worked fine, doesn't mean all will
there is No clearance for it
Same in my build, no room
It's an Intel chipset... It's almost 100% guaranteed to work on Linux. I've tried like 10 distros and never had issues.
anyway it works flawlessly now
Fedora, Ubuntu, Manjaro, Baremetal Arch, Pop, Elementary all work.
Like I said, your WiFi worked fine
That does not mean all will
cmon lets Not fight over wifi
And? as long as you buy a Wi-Fi card with an Intel chipset that is fairly new, I can give a rougly 90% chance that it will work.
It's fine, skip is just dumb
I have 2 laptops with different Intel chips, and 1 Desktop with an Intel chip.
All 3 have different chips, they all work flawlessly.
My desktop being the newest.
and my oldest being only capable of 2.4ghz band Wi-Fi
this is the opposite of what i had in mind 
We've been trying to convince him for maybe a month or more that WiFi doesn't always work out of the box on Linux
And unless your distro is literally just a Shell, I'm gonna say that you are wrong.
i just had to run some commands to install the driver is all
it takes less than 5 minutes
Because I've tried literally Bare metal Arch, without anything installed. And it JUST WORKED.
On 3 different devices.
With 3 different wi-fi chips
Arch ships with basically every WiFi driver under the moon
wow you are Very adamant about this wifi thing
Like every linux distro should.
There's no reason not to ship with all the drivers for everything.
I... think you mean Megabytes.
No, I mean gigabytes
The Arch ISO is... 831.3MB
Have you seen the size of a rhel iso?
Arch doesn't come with every driver for everything
The most intelligent way to deal with drivers is
It comes with drivers for most WiFi adapters, but a lot of those are generic drivers that will work for multiple devices
Step 1: ISO comes with all Ethernet and Wi-Fi drivers
Step 2: Ping the internet for drivers related to everything else in the system (prompting the user to pick if need be)
Step 3: GG you are done, no bloat, but you get all the right stuff.
Works fine for an online install, but you don't always have that luxury
There's also the fact that if you're distributing a fully free distro there are a lot of WiFi drivers that you can't include
linux users when they engage in heated conversation about magic airwave cards
It just comes with all sorts of drivers and useful software
I... think you don't understand the meaning of "all drivers for everything."
I meant all of the drivers for Wifi
Since I'm fed up with work... "gimp" and "GIMP" are NOT the same thing. LOL
Yo Zach and Linux Man, what’s Qtile and Xmonad?
And what are their uses.
Too lazy to research.
Xmonad is a tiling windows manager sorta like i3
Mhm.
And can you describe the point of a tiling window manager?
I know they can be used with and without a DE.
But that’s pretty much up.
And what is a compositor(like picom)?
Compositor is for transparency
A TWM will let you more flexibly tile your windows (Think how in Windows you can move windows into sides or halves of your screen.)
handles fading animations, transparency effects, etc.
it makes things prettyyyy
I see makes sense.
Happy 30th birthday Linux! (a bit late, but better later than never)
https://youtu.be/oHNKTlz1lps
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Parody of Lukas Graham's Momma Said
Story of the creation of Linux by Linus Torvalds
Filmed on location in Helsinki Finland
Filmed in part at Helsinki University at the University Museum
Vocals: Shaun Barrowes
Directed by: Russ Dastrup
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Yo @night charm, you mentioned you were tired fo breaking your arch install every update and you had other issues. You should look into NixOS. I think you’d like it.
I’m having issues finding a super minimal small distro. Debian would be fine but it keeps installing libreoffice, vlc, etc. Really frustrating smh. Any suggestions? Gonna be running LXQT core.
NixOS wasn’t working for me either.
weird i don't remember debian installing vlc for me
Yeah no matter what options I select it’s installing everything.
What will you be running it on?
Reaaaaally crappy hardware.
Else I’d just use gentoo.
I might just use gentoo and setup a binhost. :’)
Compiling pciutils and its 3 dependencies has already taken 10 minutes and it’s not even done yet.
If I create a binhost it should just download all the binaries instead of compiling.
Guess I could just use distcc as well, but binhost later on.
Do not do gentoo on crappy hardware
I'd take a look at tinycore, puppy, or alpine
@rotund dirge side note, unless you only have 16GB or so of storage there's no real issue with having vlc or libreoffice installed. As long as they aren't running they don't take up any resources besides disk space
Yeah I know that. But all the wasted storage!
I’ll take a look into those.
And I’m already in the middle of a dummy minimal gentoo install.
Wasted storage doesn't matter as long as you have any reasonable amount
I want to install it proper on my brother's netbook but it's just on an 8GB lego brick
maybe I'll get another 250GB blue to throw into it or even a smaller cheaper drive
The reason I don’t want all the bloat is so that I don’t gotta download it in the first place.
n450 atom or something
If I gotta lost 2 minutes per install and I install 50 computers, that’s a little over an hour’s lost time.
Granted you do them one at a time lmfao.
You what
But gentoo will lose even more time if I gotta compile everything.
If you have 50 systems the last thing you do is install them one at a time
Yeah I know, I just want to minimize bloat as much as I can.
Like stop it from downloading in the first place.
Install once and then grab something like fog or clonezilla and distribute that one installation to every other system
deploy
Tinycore it is
I’ve had a mixed experience with clonezilla in the past. Usually works fine, until it doesn’t.
20mb install footprint or something
I kinda want to learn how to deploy systems but I got nothing to deploy
What is it, Debian based?
No package manager?
There's a package manager
Gonna have to look into it in a week after the kernel on this gentoo install finishes compiling (hyperbole of course lol)
Probably will take a week to compile Qt5 though.
Don't bother waiting for Gentoo to finish, just cancel it
Like I said, Gentoo isn't for low power hardware
I’m gonna try the core install, don’t see a guide immediately on their website for core though. Maybe there will be a file when I boot into it.
Basically you copy the files over and make it bootable
Yeah I found the page on their website under manual install. Seems basic enough. Perhaps a little too basic, I’ll play with it, and then check out alpine.
Because it loads grub legacy, it was annoying to boot from bexuase the computer seems to want to boot UEFI and I just put it on Ventoy, which boots off UEFI. Don’t remember if there’s a BIOS install for ventoy. Probably.
they should allow swearing but only in the linux chat

anyway im Restaring My Computer
issue fixed no more static
no
no the issue was not fixed
oh its just firefox
god what I literally just looked up a random word to play a youtube video and apparently my keysmash meant Pain and Suffering
I ended up using arch and I wrote a quick install script.
Works for my purposes. 🤷🏻♂️
ey br0ddas i need help
so theres this pentium4 e6600 2gb ram computer of mine
but im thinking about slapping my 1gb ddr3 gt 710 and undervolting the frick out of it and host sum servers (text&image websites, forge mc servers, etc.)
can anybody here recommend a linux distro that can take care of the hosting part and will ok-ishly support this janky setup?
or should i start twakin w/ da linux kernel?
Why not run Debian?
will it take the janky setup doe?
I don’t see why not.
Should be fine for your use.
You run into issues when you start introducing wifi cards, BT, etc on debian.
Kernel should be fine and it’s minimal enough.
oh yeah about that
forgot to say that i rely on a wifi card to connect to the internet on that system
Hm.
hmmmm
I would say to run arch since it’s pretty minimal and would probably have your wifi driver.
But you shouldn’t run arch unless you have some knowledge on Linux.
The wiki does make it “copy and paste go brrrrrr” though
Try OpenSUSE Leap.
That would probably have the wifi driver and it’s pretty minimal.
The arch wiki is very well written
Still though, person should know what the commands they’re running does.
And understand how it works.
Yeah, if you need reliability, go with something more familiar, but the arch install process / wiki's tutorial is a fun way to learn that stuff imo.
That’s true. I learned all my stuff by hating myself and using gentoo.
Forge will probably be a hard pass on that hardware, but for everything else debian will be good
Debian will support wifi cards as long as you enable non-free software
Arch is not for servers
Didn’t even give me the option for that on bullseye.
there is a page for minecraft
Gentoo is also not for servers, but the company I work at doesn’t care.
i use elementaryos for my servers 🥸
But so much extra unneeded software.
issa joke
i dont have servers 😢
unless we want to include IIS built into windows that i use for remote desktop 
Lol
yet
Anyone w a Umidigi Power manage to get LineageOS on it?
Just use old pc as server
I'm more or less trying to revive the phone
give new life, as that phone comes with stock Android 9 but no patches/updates
I wouldn't run Servers on a Wi-Fi system.
I mean, With the way he described it, I believe it’s just for his friends. Not the best use case, but it’ll work.
Wait ... are we still talking about me?
If so, which server? This is personal use Linux distro custom ROM for Android.
My phone is running quite slow and will buy a new one. Wanted to either try LineageOS on the old one, else I'll just make it a system monitor client and have a nifty lil display in my PC case to view temps and usage %.
@frank steeple my plex server runs on arch Linux with xanmod kernel but it's not really a critical server.
As long as it's decent WiFi and relatively low traffic it'll be fine. This system will not be network bottlenecked
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Linux tech tips
Anthony tech tips when? :’(
hi
so basically
mint just boots to a blinking cursor
not a logo
not grub
just a _
Was it a working install?
Light have messed up your HDD.
I’d boot into a live ISO and see if your HDD is detected.
Hi all. I’m basically looking to switch from windows 10 to linux. I was wondering what you all thought of Zorin Os17? Was thinking of buying a copy of the pay for version?
Would use primarily for school and for gaming
I use steam but also the rockstar game launcher for red dead redemption two and gtav
I have a acer nitro 5 with a gtx 1650 and a Ryzen5 4600h. 128gb ssd. 256ssd and a 500gb hhd installed with 16gb of ram
Would like to do a 500gb m.2 in the future for Windows instead of the 128
I wouldn’t buy Zorin OS.
Or any distro for that matter.
Use Linux Mint or maybe Manjaro.
Would work well for gaming.
All you’re paying for with Zorin is The theme and DE. Maybe some tools, but nothing you can’t download yourself.
PopOS is also very nice, especially since you have an nvidia card
Does PopOS play well with gaming?
Yes
I haven’t tried that myself, only mint and Manjaro.
Then there you go, I’d go PopOS myself, it’s real nice.
It's one of the best distros for gaming
I’m using it in my laptop for school and am loving it
Workspaces are a life saver.
especially with the key binds.
Linux is just great lol
It's simple but can handle lots of tweaking as users get comfortable
I just want to make sure that what ever distro I get can use office 365 which I get might need a little work.
windows is a really cool distribution 😃 it works great with office 365
Can't download office 365 on linux. You can however use the online version which is actually pretty competent and will has like 90% of the features that the downloaded version has.
doesnt have automatic table of contents which kills it for me :(
Ouu does it not?
not that it matters anyways since my apush teacher doesnt let us take electronic notes anyways
LibreOffice is also a super competent alternative to Office365, but it requires you learning where everything is.
And has like 95% of the features 365 has,
😈
that screenshot was a vm
but its proof that office can run on linux
i dual boot windows 11, arch, and macos high sierra
If you REALLY want to integrate it you can do this
Though imo it's really extra and unnecessary.
haha thats really awesome
I've personally never tried it, but many people on reddit claim it does.
And you can use adobe easily too.
i wonder if it has passthrough for usb or video ports
hinting towards oculus compatibility
I'd look into the issues
i think i might need to get another SSD to add a windows 10 install
because i mean windows 11 essentially bricked my vr headset
its useless now since it doesnt work well
hmmm let me try again to see
Rip
Lol.
Are you gonna use the VM software they recommend?
I believe it's KVM
Should allow for USB passthrough.
lol
omg it works
Does it really?
Lmfao.
Enjoy office 365 as floating window.
I honestly might do it too just for 365. LibreOffice is just too annoying.
On my linux lap
Do I really want to waste 4gbs of space on a windows vm though
?
Not to mention it probably eats ram too.
Does it, @night charm?
I have shouted various obscenities at grub yet it refuses to listen
Was your HDD detected?
Yes
chroot into your system and force grub to reinstall and reconfigure would be best thing to do then.
im gonna reinstall tomorrow
it was what i had planned but like when i get to school i can probs make a bootable media there
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_ChRoot
Someone made a guide to fix grub over chroot
Specifically for Linux mint.
Many others have broken their grub install lol.
oh actlly i tried that
You tried chrooting in and reinstalling grub.
no like
Reason: Bad word usage
ugh
Yep There It Is Again
ok so i assumed you were talking about something different
also question how many times can i slip swears in my messages vefore it just autobans ive done it a lot becaude i just like
ok apologies im kind of a fool ive been using this os for like 2 weeks
oh my days are numbered

i got banned from the pcmr discord after sending one of the mods calligraphy about how i was going to pee on their dog
I got banned from this discord for little over a year for questioning the authority of the old regime.
I got banned in 2019 methinks and got unbanned last week.
we are similar!!!!!!!!
it was the one w/ the ron swanson pfp i think
free and open source snakes
Did you fix your OS, I’m curious. 🙂
Nope, not yet
havent had time
reinstalling grub when i get home
thanks for the advice
Nice ok.
y'all
would it be practical to partition a 32gb drive to use for booting multiple isos
You could, but it's kinda a pain to do that way. Take a look at multibootusb
aight i inplemented the most redneck fix
i just installed mint again on a different partition
and that fixed sda6
It could only be "the most redneck fix" if you used duct tape. 😄
Don't forget the hammer and wd40
I have found myself looking for a hammer more than once while working on my computer.
I’ve only ever found myself working with a hammer once with a PC.
And I don’t remember why even.
gotta make sure the processor is in snug
that or ram sticks
i would use a mallet on ram sticks ngl
Lmfao
Percussive maintenance
I’ve been using Linux for like a week and I like it
Which distro did you go with? Popular ones for starting out are Mint and Ubuntu
Then you get into ones like PopOS that people are customizing for gaming
I got Ubuntu on my laptop, and it's pretty cool
Are there any opinions on the Linux “low latency kernel” used in the Ubuntu Studio distro? I understand it will help, or at least not hurt, my audio work, but might it be a problem for gaming?
A problem? Probably not. It's just a little higher maintenance for kernel mode drivers.
Thanks
Also, what are the pros and cons of going with the 21.04 version vs the 20.04 version?
I’ve read some stuff, but I don’t know if y’all have any direct experience
Ubuntu I assume?
20.04 is a long term support version, 21.04 will have newer stuff out of the box
Yep, Ubuntu. Im mainly concerned about having to update more frequently using the newer
And I’ve heard updates can mess stuff up
With Linux, it's pretty much if it isn't broken, don't fix it, unless it's marked as a security or other critical update.
Ah okay, neat. Also thanks falcie for all your help, you were nice in the ssd place not like the sarcastic windshields guy xD ‘nough said
Sorry windshields if you see that xD
lol
Happy to help
sad windshield noises
I’m sorryyyy windshields was helpful too, he just kept being like oooh fortnite clipsss which is distracting xD
Twas the day was Saturday yesterday my dude
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I love my mint installation all my friends are inside it
Lol
I’m actually impressed with the libreoffice “PowerPoint”. Not so much the excel rip off
Yep, it just felt wrong to say the same word twice in a sentence
Yeah, it seems like using google sheets but it’s not pretty at all
I don’t like how libreoffice hides a lot of its options. Like I get they’re trying to not copy Microsoft exactly, but finding features can be a pain.
I just search the feature I want to use, most recently it was making a pie chart. The graphs are really simple, has a ton of data customizations, but yeah, I didn’t find it just by looking
I haven’t used Microsoft office in several years, but one thing I remember hating is the sliding cursor. I never could find a setting to turn it off on my moms laptop, but yeah, it bothered me
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y'all so hypothetically what would happen if I snorted miralax
Might clear your sinuses really quick, but would really advise against it. Hot sauce much better
…how did that relate to Linux…
yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um
TabascoOS?
I have my own thoughts on this but I want an outside perspective.
I want to use my secondary computer as both a mining pc and my plex/file server. I'd normally just go for a random Debian distro and call it good, but I can't even get the installer to launch on anything because my GPU really hates nouveau. In order to launch an installer I have to start it in compatibility mode which disables the drivers completely and locks it at 640x480, less than ideal.
I thought I might go for a server install but the GPU driver requirements for running as a mining PC throw a wrench into that gear. I could install a desktop onto a server distro, but then it fails to boot.
Maybe if I flash another vbios onto the 2070 it'll work better? I wouldn't mind having a lower power limit.
I'd really hate to have to go back to windows for something as stupid as this.
Just... Don't use nouveau?
Ok, but most distros default to that and I can't boot into the OS to change it
Pop OS does.
Manjaro Does
So...
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Well
Ok, Pop!_OS has an option to download an ISO WITH the Proprietary driver.
And Manjaro just comes with it.
I'll give those a look
Manjaro is Arch based, Pop is Ubuntu based.
That eliminates manjaro as an option since I don't think plex has an installer for arch, and I really don't want to compile if I don't have to. Old xeons and all.
Extremely likely that arch has plex server on the AUR.
Just gotta enable AUR support.
Don’t even need to be on the AUR, apparently plex server is on the official repos. Nothing to worry about.
@fallow belfry https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/plex
I'd go with a server distro, probably just straight debian. When installing just don't select any desktop environment
System will boot into try, purge and blacklist nouveau if necessary. Once that's done download the driver installer from the Nvidia site and run it
Since it'll only ever be used for Plex, nas, and mining you won't need to bother setting up a desktop environment
If I can get to a grub menu I can pass a few commands to get it to boot, but most distros I tried just skipped grub for some reason.
Once I finish up this application I'm trying pop, I already tried ubuntu server and it didn't like my hardware. It was complaining about the tpm.
Would y’all recommend the Blackmagic Design Intensity pro 4K as an hdmi capture card for Linux? Ubuntu specifically. It’s for streaming through obs from a video camera. They currently have the elgato hd60 pro but that won’t work with Linux afaik
I’m not sure that a lot of people use capture cards in Linux. There are certainly youtubers that do work on them, but I’m not 100% sure.
Look up Chris Titus tech, and see what he’s using. Iirc he does all his editing and such on Linux. Though I could also be thinking of distro tube or mental outlaw.
All 3 use capture and work on linux iirc.
A usb capture card is fine too, just needs to be decent
I just don’t know what brands to trust ig, any suggestions?
I will thanks
What does iirc mean, sorry xD
If I recall correctly lol.
Lol thanks
Pop seems to have been the magic bullet I needed. It even has green with envy available in the store for overclocking nvidia
I’m glad it’s working out for you. Pop is pretty nice.
Reason: Bad word usage
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it stayed there for a while
What, the warning text? It doesn't go away unless a mod deletes it
Ah, yeah the bot's been a little off today
I have a really specific question about the Kde plasma desktop, do any of you use it, or do you recommend any active, friendly Ubuntu/ Linux servers I could ask in? It has to do with the cursor theme only working over open windows, not the desktop wallpaper or some programs
I have used KDE a lot in the past before.
But uh, I wouldn’t know any issue with the cursor theme. 😦
And I don’t know anywhere you could ask. But whatever you do, DO NOT ask in a server called “discord Linux”. Really uninviting and people will question your intelligence constantly.
Not a nice community.
I also have a question about the little button in the corner that takes you to the blank desktop. I want it to where I can put my mouse in the very corner of my screen (just randomly shove the pointer) and work, but the button doesn’t work unless I click a little bit up from the very corner. Windows does it right by default, and I’m sure there’s a way with this.
Alright I won’t be going there
I did find one called Ubuntu Hideout, I think I’ll try it
Alright, good luck hope you figure out your issue.
I figured out the corner problem I think, but thanks
@strong plover I use KDE on both Fedora and Ubuntu Studio. I've seen something similar on my Fedora system. The cursor is what I want except for one application where it becomes a lot smaller and changes color & style. I figured is was just one of those "my system is wacky and it's my fault" issues and haven't invested time in looking for a solution.
I'm not sure I have that same application installed on the Ubuntu system, but I'll check on that soon.
I’m going to be using Ubuntu studio as soon as my new ssd gets here, but for now I’m using it live cause my school is browser based and I like getting used to it. In Ubuntu studio, I changed the cursor to kde classic, and the overall theme to Ubuntu studio dark. I tried it again and even the taskbar thing the cursor is right, and apps as well, but it goes to the default gray one on home screen.
I just checked and yes, the cursor changes over the same application on Ubuntu Studio. I'll try to do a little bit of searching now that I know it's not "just me."
This seems like it fits your description of your issue:
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kde-cursor-switches-style-when-pointing-on-desktop/14477
I have installed a Cursor theme on my KDE Manjaro. It works fine and looks good in most cases. But if the Cursor hovers over the Desktop or the Windows bar it suddenly changes size and appearence to the KDE classic cursor theme which I didnt select at any time. Applying the normal Breeze Cursors again it doesnt work anymore and still has the cu...
Well, it actually might have something to do with snaps not taking KDE themes. @strong plover @dusk kernel
Snaps are sandboxed apps and therefore kinda run in their own environment.
Gnome does a good job of integrating them, but I believe KDE struggles.
I suppose that's possible but I don't have any Snaps that I'm aware of.
So it’s just a matter of editing the default theme?
I tried the suggestion above and it didn't solve my issue. But it might help with yours, I dunno.
I’ll try it when I get a chance, I’ll let you know if it works for me
does anyone else find troubleshooting like
weirdly fun
like i just had to thoroughly search for a texture compression thing to fix missing textures in unturned and it Awakened my Neanderthal Hunting Emotions
it was s2tc
i still dont know if that fixed it
It Did Not
i havent seen anything posted about this package that isn't from 7 years ago
u should try bug bounties and CTFs
Bug bounties are hard :(
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yo @frank steeple what distro would you use for servers, Debian?
Debian, rhel, suse, probably one of those
Hmm, where debian is the free option.
I would love to use Rhel or Suse, but they not free. No idea how good OpenSUSE leap is for servers, and don’t feel like running a fedora server.
rhel is free for up to sixteen systems
Hmm, I need more than 16 systems though.
How many
~40+
What will they be doing?
Stupid minimal work.
Literally running tcp and database servers.
Not accessed all the time either.
The most demanding thing it’ll do I imagine is building Qt4 from source unless they got a repo for Qt 4 binaries.
Would it be possible to run them all from a single system?
No. 😦
wait I lied, they do need to do something else.
Needs to run in.tftpd
For diskless nodes.
And nfs too I suppose.
But that’s not a lot.
Wait, forty systems all of which run as diskless?
They gonna be in different places.
They not gonna sit in a single room lol.
But yeah, each one is gonna run as a diskless node server.
What about just full remote login then?
Wdym?
Have one central OS and then a bunch of dummy clients that log into it remotely
Hm, you mean instead of using diskless nodes?
Yeah
Well, I can’t change the system fully myself yet.
This system was created in the mid 90s when hard drives were expensive.
So diskless was a good option back then.
The times have changed and diskless is not great.
But nobody bothered to change the system all this time
I’m trying to slowly change the system.
First step, get off freaking gentoo.
I need a way to install debian via command line.
I found an article that details how to install debian from existing Linux distro.
Which I’ll use my dummy server.
And we’ll see where we go from there.
You can always host a copy of debian installer from network boot with an automated script
Hmm.
That’s not a bad idea
First I need to install debian in the first plCd.
Place.*
Figure out what I need and sign.
Don’t.u
**
I cry every time.
Yay makefiles
I love when things don't compile and I need to fix the syntax
That’s not even make files. That’s just gentoo doing gentoo things.
Portage emerge log.
Currently on 367 of 536.
I certainly did not. I did not have a choice in this matter.
That’s why I am going to try moving our system to debian and systemd.
Wish me luck
In the late 90s, someone decided the source based rolling distro was the best choice for servers.
What a load of hoopla.
Man I was having so much trouble getting grub to install on debian.
My dumb ass forgot to install mdadm for the raid.
Soft raid1.
This guide is really good:
https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.en.html
Though I wish there was a way for debian to auto detect my network driver and install the firmware required for it.
Free or not.
Now I gotta chroot back into the system again and install the firmware.
Oh well, will have to do a reinstall tomorrow anyways to make sure I didn’t miss writing down something in my notes, then it’s off to installing our actual system stuff. Gonna be a lot of fun.
i am filled with rampant hatred
Do tell
this is the linux chat do i really need to explain myself
anyway so like
mesa
mesa_loader_driver_override=i965 is required to run a lot of things now
but not yesterday or the day before or the week before
i reinstalled steam 3 times before finding this out through a
Minecraft Traceback
lemme try override iris
yep iris is the issue
Do you have an intel cpu? I don’t have direct experience with steam but I found a thread about that issue
Ohh
I don’t know if this is similar, sounds like it
They have igpu too
Actually their issue seems to be the desktop
should i just write this off as a certified Intel Corporation moment
Might want to wait til one of the really smart guys on here sees it, maybe they would know better
My friend has an hp intel laptop, there are soo many issues with drivers and such, finally got him on manjaro and it mostly works now
Okay
(i put mint on a school laptop don't tell the central intelligence agency)
Ooh fun, can they even tell?
That’s cool, I mean, they obviously didn’t lock bios or anything, they were just asking for it
Ah handy
a very funny joke that u laugh a lot at
lots of laughing
so true
Rip.
OH HEY its one of those people we were talking about hi
do you know how to resolve certified intel moments
Yayyy it’s like actually one of them!! Please help him??? :D
Nope lmfao.
am i allowed to swear
Nope.
but its
a special occasion
anyway gonna try getting bioshock to run on a dual core cpu w/ igpu
Good luck
didn't even start lmao
It's nice
It is pretty nice.
I can’t qtbindings to install correctly smh.
I managed to get Qt4 installed and Ruby 2.4 installed.
But qtbindings wont compile.
Now I gotta try compiling a different version of Qt4.
And we all know that’s fun.
Qt 4.8.6
i don't really understand why is it almost every time that people forces you to compile programs on linux
Well this time it’s because I need Qt4 for legacy reasons, while qt4 was like purged from repos years ago.
And the version that debian has on their buster repo is not working with qtbindings, which is a gem that’s required to be compiled.
oof
Yeah it’s not fun.
Not to mention qt is only the most difficult program in the world to compile smh.
No
Who?
…a really big mace with a Ryzen logo…
Good for you, what’d you end up doing
oh i just had to uninstall a mesa driver
it wasnt using the iGPU
it was
llvmpipe
instead of mesa
i wish i was smart enough to post about weird problems since it seems like im the Only Person In History Who Has Ever Had Them
It’s really handy when people document obsolete problems like that on Reddit. Just say what the problem was, things you tried, and then what ended up working. It’s really helpful to others, and if an even smarter person sees it and knows a better answer, they can tell everyone
having really obscure hardware is a pain lmao
??? IMPOSSIBLE
im sure troubleshooting xeon e7s is a nightmare, those things are barely used, let alone today. not to mention how rare those boards are lol
i was joking lol
ah, then we're both joksters lol
I have nothing like that but I have computers that are obscure just because of the sheer volume of skus the oems put out with absolutely zero documentation to speak of, and the only stuff you can find online about them is scam sites and dead end forum threads asking if the gpu is upgradeable 
lmao exactly
I remember I had this Proliant G380 G7 server, and the fans would run at 100% speed, starting from 0% from boot then slowly going up to that max speed for a reason im not sure of till this day. One time it automatically fixed itself or something, then it just came back for no reason
HP servers 💩
i actually just recently ordered a 1u rack server to mess with
two e5 2650s, four 10k 146gb hdds, 8gb of ram for about 100 before shipping
has its raid controller and everything
they load in this fan control garbage on laptops that detects whether it's moving or not and adjusts the fan speeds for whatever reason, it just makes things worse
o nice
im actually having a similar issue with my laptop
but i dont feel like explaining it because ive been trying to troubleshoot the dumb thing for 3 hours today and im sick of it
ehe
I disabled the HP software on my grandma's laptop and it runs decently okay for something with just a dual core and a hard drive
lol
she uses her ipad
Ah, but they did not expect me to have six pound field cannons
but are you at a tesco
I have a 250GB blue spare and I want my mom's laptop to have something to kick it into gear but she has like 800GB of stuff on it and her 4TB mypassport is hundreds of miles away indefinitely so that's not gonna happen
oh dang
Send the part list!!
Behold the field cannons.
It should have a slot for it
I thought it was serious until I got to the 8k tv. It looked like a really overkill setup for maybe a corporation. I mean, four hdds for raid 10 or something, the ssds were a bit much though
Those are in raid 5
Raid 5 and 10 both can use 4 disks, and there is redundancy in raid 10
And who would need alllll that storage In a raid 5 config
Wait are you joking

No, it's essentially raid 1 and 0 combined
Yup
All I can remember is raid 1.
That’s all I use.
RIGHT that’s why it’s called raid 10.
Raid 1 + 0.
Raid 10 you give up half of your drives but can only lose one drive worst case

Raid 5 you only lose one drive and can still resist a single drive failure
Get that Java crap outta here
Get that outta here too
@teal cape you got a sec to nuke someone?
yes I do
Nitro scam link
Rip
Can mods delete and edit messages?
Yeahh that might get abused, easy to twist words
steam when it installs a 0.5gb update with no visible changes at all
I hate that smh.
But if you’re running rolling release distro with snaps and flatpaks you should be used to that.
i am allowed to not update things if i do not Want to except steam
I mean i could just run the games from the directory if I dont wanna wait 45 minutes
also im kinda glad im not running a distro w/ forced updates because that software rendering issue I was having earlier was caused by a mesa utils update
What distro forces you to update?
ones that were invented by joe terrible when he tried to suck twice
Uh, you could be more specific… are there actually ones like that?
Isn’t one of the points of Linux that you’re not forced to update, and you can choose what packages to update?
I’d be pretty mad if I was forced to update and reboot. That’s literally one of the reasons that got me moving off of windows
Right, as far as I know no updates even download automatically without you telling it to. And not updating shouldn’t give you problems unless they were patching a bug.
And same, that is a large reason for me to get off windows too
Not updating shouldn’t give you any problems period. If your system is stable, then having updates won’t do anything. Do I still recommend kernel and security updates? Yeah, but still.
True.
Updating applications is different, those usually get functionality or remove bugs all the time.
Definitely, unless you’re not connected to the internet for some reason, as some Linux computers are especially in recording studios I know of.
Hm, it’s arguable that you should still do so regardless. Here are some certain situations. The computer may not be connected to the internet, but does it have the ability to be connected? (Like has the kernel driver been disabled)
And even then, there’s situations where applications need to be updated to patch major issues like how sudo can give privileged access due to exploits. Just needs to be installed and on an old version.
But I’m probably taking that too far.
That’s true. I mean, as long as you don’t plug an Ethernet cable in, no worries about connecting accidentally.
how do i stop always having a bunch of terminals open
this is a psychological issue not a software issue
Take a deep breath, and then carefully click the x at the top corner.
EZ
Use the desktop switcher, and keep all your terminal windows in a separate desktop
That works too. I feel like virtual desktops are better in KDE than they are in windows
Haven’t tried other desktop environments though, but they’re probably good too
oh my god
y'all
I dont know how I didnt find this out after using it so much but the Terminal has Tabs
Aw man that’s sad to think about. But glad you figured it out :)
So this is where the intellectuals in the server reside, I assume
Some of them, mostly trolls that think they're funny but you get an occasional serious conversation
linux bad windows good hehe
Yeah I agree
Switching to Linux was probably the best decision I've recently made
Started out with Mint, am on Manjaro now
KDE
I've been working with Pop lately, since the 2070 in one of my computers really hates the default driver and Pop installs the non-free Nvidia driver by default
The alternative is for me to edit my grub from within windows and update the boot sector which is a PAIN
I'm on a 1660 TI Max-Q, and just use the regular NVIDIA drivers
Pop is based on Ubuntu, correct?
Yeah those tend to work the best for power users
Well I'm hardly a power user
Just a simple man who's mad at Windows and Microsoft to some extent as well
The fact that you know about alternative drivers makes you above average
I did have to install them myself, so there you go
And even reinstalled them from the recovery shell once when the computer wouldn't boot
And yes Pop is Ubuntu based so wide compatibility
Apparently Manjaro just lets you have no graphics drivers installed
Which it should I guess
Being Arch based it makes sense
If the user is an idiot like me having the OS break is probably well deserved
Yeah
Arch is really intended to be run primarily from a TUI or just straight terminal
i think im gonna switch to cinnamon
it feels smoother
this is UNRELATED to the fact that i managed to break xfce
that was just the motivation at the moment
Uhuh, sure it's unrelated.
Cinnamon is still kinda nice though for other reasons
Meh arch shouldn’t be used as a distro you plan to daily drive imo.
Updates break it frequently.
Manjaro tries to fix this issue by making sure that everything your upgrading is compatible with the new stuff.
But it’s still not probably the best thing to run.
I recommend anything debian/Ubuntu based for daily drive, or I guess you could go rhel based, but that’s more iffy. Opensuse leap isn’t that bad.
Rolling release distros are a bit weird, and I would never recommend anyone actually run one as their daily. Especially if you’re a beginner.
Trial by fire
woe pretty why is my taskbar on the ceiling
"Taskbar at the top" is the default for some distributions. It might be dependent on the default Desktop Environment... I'm not sure about that. If you prefer the taskbar on the bottom... you should be able to change it.
yes but its also pretty
its actlly alright because my taskbar sometimes gets blocked by my soundbar
Taskbar at top is pretty, (it’s right on eye level), but muscle memory from windows always goes to the bottoms corner so I have to keep it that way
can someone help with a issue after updating ubuntu server
finished flush journal to persistant storage
thats what its stuck on
at this point im probably screwed
since google brings up nothing
ended up fixing it
@frank steeple how would you install nvidia drivers on a server?
it wants to install the gui and i dont want it to
Man I’m struggling to get Qt4 compiled.
Screw this old ass software.
I’m done smh.
I killed the debian project. I could install Qt4 and Ruby, but it wouldn’t install qtbindings. Didn’t like qt 4.8.7
So I tried in vain to install qt 4.8.6 and 4.8.5
I ended up doing rm -rf / —no-preserve-root
Whoa straight for the nuke
Amateur
The data can still be recovered
Haha was just trying to kill the install.
Should have done dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
But then /dev/sdb would have lived.
Do sdb first then
But then /dev/sda would have lived.
And killed the raid at the same time.
Damn soft raids.
I use mknod to create /dev/md1 (bios boot partition), /dev/md2 (swap), and /dev/md3 (root).
But with the way mdadm works, it’ll write to the main drive and take a while to write to the secondary drive.
It will kill the system before it has a chance to write everything.
...
Yeah probably not
I've had more success with it than Mint though
I mean I’m not trying to talk down to you lol. Run what you want to run. If you are comfortable with arch, by all means, run arch. I just don’t think it’s a good daily driver distro.
Fair enough, Ubuntu/Debian is definitely easier
god
I hate when im installing smtn and it just goes .............................. and stops telling me what its doing
Can Ubuntu use the pacman to install applications?
I've noticed people mostly talk about it on Arch-based distros.
But pacman feels faster to use than snap.
You can install pacman on Ubuntu.
Google around and you should find what you need to successfully pull it off.
I've never ran a different package manager before so there may be complexities down the road
Have fun with it though!
thank
right now i'm using my win11 build
so i'm not ready to switch to linux atm
maybe i'll fully switch for good once i can get ms paint (because i like it) working well
im pretty sure paint would work in wine but im not sure
I could test it
oh
ok so this is weird
ive been hopping desktop environments for a bit
I installed plasma and when I choosw it its cinnamon
but I mean thats aight I like cinnamon
wow this sentence makes no sense sorru
Do you mean it goes into the cinnamon desktop, or it just looks like cinnamon
it went to cinnamon
I selected it again and it worked
it looked p good
You can, but you really shouldn't
If you want pacman, just use an arch based distro
Garuda is looking pretty promising
yeah i've worked with endeavour and garuda
i prefer endeavour from what i've worked with
the only thing that's keeping me from switching over is the one and only ms paint since i know other FOSS art programs that replace adobe CC work nicely
also my classes don't like linux for some stupid reason
For a paint replacement take a look at kolourpaint
i've heard of kolour and pinta
i'm just really used to the one we know
i like the curve tool
Ah good
Yeah I really don't recommend installing another package manager on a distro it's not meant for.
I guess the one exception I'd say is Nix.
I like Nix.
I know nothing abt linux so im gonna read some of this while im tired and might retain useful knowladge
Not gonna hurt ya to learn :)
Hey, i want to set up a minecraft server on a raid array of 3 2tb SSDs that i can remote into over the internet, uh what distro should i look into?
i have an nvme as a boot drive
idk if i even need it
Ubuntu server. I don’t have experience setting up any sort of raid with Ubuntu server, but I used to have a mc server on Ubuntu server and it was good.
It's pretty simple to set up software raid on any mainstream server distro. For that config I'd recommend raid 5
Is anything specific easy to set up for remote access? i installed mineos but i don't think it has raid support
Do you mean like ssh?
i think so i need to learn a lot to set this up and its a bit overwhelming
i know mineos is based on turnkey
Here’s a pretty in depth tutorial. It shows it on a full version of Ubuntu 20.04, but (correct me if I’m wrong boblasershark) it should work the same on a server distro. And there are lots of tutorials out there for setting up/using ssh (how to remotely control a computer).
ty
If I understand your situation correctly, you will need to first install a distro. If it’s on a computer physically in your house, a distro with a desktop environment might be right for you. If you install your OS on the separate boot drive, then create and mount your other ssds as raid. Again, searching it will yield many tutorials. Then, follow the instructions in that link.
It doesn’t matter the distro. You can almost for sure download mdadm.
should i install elementary OS again
i had it for a while and liked it im debating if i should or not
(if anyone replies, always ping me for it as im not always looking on discord or in this server)
I mean, what are you running now?
windows 10 (i have 2 laptops)

