linux-and-android

[sand pecan]

Not much experience

[fast mango]

So what I am thinking is

As much as I like flathub I should only use it if there aren't other ways to get the app

Because I don't have a lot of stuff installed

First ima try the uninstall unused option and see how much is deleted

[sand pecan]

flatpak should be a last resort

[fast mango]

Yeah basically the short version of what I said

[sand pecan]

Meat moment

[fast mango]

So only use it if the dev only put it on there

[sand pecan]

yes

Or if the repo build doesn't work

[fast mango]

Only freed up 2 gigs so ima uninstall what I can

[fast mango]

Have you set up fan control

[sand pecan]

?

I'm on a laptop

I just use auto-cpufreq

Takes care of it

[fast mango]

Oh yeah I forgot

nvm

[sand pecan]

Are you on nvidia btw

[fast mango]

Nah amd

[sand pecan]

Ok good

Nvidia is a pain

[fast mango]

Yeah it seems like it really is lmao

[fast mango]

[fast mango]

Set up linux fancontrol and got a gui for the script and deleted some flatpaks that were available to download via dnf and other methods

[forest latch]

just use autocurve

[fast mango]

The gui is really light and I only ran it once

The fancontrol command is built into linux so I set that up and it made a config file it goes off of

[sand pecan]

linux pilled

[dusk kernel]

I'm a little late to the conversation, but if you're interested in using a Raspberry Pi for a NAS, Jeff Geerling does a lot of stuff with Raspberry Pi's:
https://www.youtube.com/@JeffGeerling

For example.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l30sADfDiM8

[sand pecan]

Does it have enough bandwidth for a couple of sata hdds tho

The on paper specs say pcie 2x1

[fallow belfry]

USB to SATA would be the way to go to get more storage on pi

[sand pecan]

USB has overhead tho

That's what I'm unsure about

hmm

Pcie 2x1 has a bandwidth of 500MB/s

[fallow belfry]

The 3.0 ports are 5Gbps each, with overhead that gets you about 4.5 real world

[sand pecan]

Might be able 4 hdds tbh

[sand pecan]

Really?

Hmm

I could probably use the usb 3 ports on my mini pc

• the m.2 that's either 2x4 or 3x4

The reason I went for a dedicated nas in the first place was the fear of bottlenecks

And also it's annoying to power 3.5" hdds

I might use 2.5" usb hdds on my mini pc with a zfs mirror pool

See how that goes

[forest latch]

you would probably be limited by the pi's network controller (gigabit) before you saturate the drives anyways

[fallow belfry]

That would apply to most devices tbf

A connection is only as fast as the slowest link in the chain

Could get a 5Gb USB NIC but if the router or anything else can't use that speed it's useless

You want to eliminate as many bottlenecks as possible, upgrade to an all fiber network first

100Gb

Then you can saturate about 20 SATA SSDs

Or 6x M.2 drives running at 4.0 x4 (assuming they're drives that use the full bandwidth)

[sand pecan]

hmm

If that runs well...

My HP 800 G1 mini pc has an m.2 slot that I could use for nvme/sata expansion

The wifi card slot might also be usable

I could potentially turn this thing into a stupid looking server

[fallow belfry]

Being a DDR3 based system I'd expect the wifi slot to be mSATA

[sand pecan]

hmm

[dusk kernel]

Based on this, you're probably correct:
https://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2013/HPDiscover2013/HPEliteDesk800_datasheet.pdf

[fast mango]

Bro no way

I had 3 flatpaks installed and 8 gigs was taken up

Uninstalled all three and almost all of it was gone

This app called easy effects was taking up multiple gigs

its nothing crazy it literally just applies effects to your audio out. i tried to find an alternative to fxsound because i was using that to flatten out my headphone response

now there are 2 gigs with nothing installed taken up by runtime and repo

[sand pecan]

sudo dnf clean dbcache

That should clear the package manager cache

[dusk kernel]

I use Calf Studio Effects for audio effects.
https://calf-studio-gear.org/

[fast mango]

Those are plugins

What I am talking about is different

There is an alternative install for easy effects so nbd

[fast mango]

If I install the mesa git drivers will they overwrite the drivers I currently have

Since it says optional does that mean its additional drivers?

If it does overwrite the default drivers, will they be reinstalled if I uninstall these

Im trying to do some tweaks to see if I can get this game to run better

[sand pecan]

It's only overwriting the mesa vulkan

[fast mango]

Its gonna revert when I uninstall it right

Or do I have to reinstall something myself

[sand pecan]

not sure about the fedora drivers

[fast mango]

I did this a few days ago

Now the screen flickers and goes to like 5hz with artifacts when the screen dims

When I put it to sleep it flickers for a short bit

Linux moment

[sand pecan]

h o w

[sand pecan]

No WM/DE ram usage

[fast mango]

[wild sigil]

Pls

You can zoom in to take a screen shot with your phone and eliminate the blurry edges

[forest latch]

this is the worst edging i've ever seen a camera do

(well, i've seen worse edges)

sometimes the edge is so much that you see aberration

[sand pecan]

lmao

[icy gate]

Hmm I need help with LibreOffice for some reason it doesn't want to scale properly and I don't know what to do. I'm on Arch, KDE Plasma, Wayland.

And I have a 4K display at 175% scaling

[dusk kernel]

As usual, I have more questions than answers. 😆
Is LIbreOffice the only application that's not scaling correctly?

ChatGPT says...
Method 1: Use the UI Scaling in LibreOffice

1. Open LibreOffice and go to the menu bar.
2. Navigate to Tools > Options.
3. In the Options dialog, expand the LibreOffice section and click on View.
4. Under the User Interface section, find the UI Scaling drop-down.

.... but I don't have a "user Interface" section in LO version 24.8.4.2

I haven't read this yet, but based on the title it seems like it would be helpful...
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=293531

[icy gate]

Thanks! I don't have time to test it right now so I'm gonna ask this same question on the Linux discord server.

[dusk kernel]

Just because one can never be in enough linux-related Discord servers... which Linux Discord server is that?

[fallow belfry]

(without linking it here because the bot won't like that, it auto bans)

[ebon acorn]

When dual booting Linux Mint and Windows 11, each on separate SSDs, is it best to use the GRUB boot loader or to just use the BIOS boot menu?

[fast mango]

I just do boot override

The default is to boot to windows, and for me I just press f11 and down key for linux

[ebon acorn]

Is that done via the bios boot menu?

[fast mango]

Its different for other boards

F11 is just the key for my board

When you press the key, it’ll open up a small menu that has boot options

So I guess its like grub but you press a key to initiate it

[sand pecan]

I usually just use grub

[fallow belfry]

Windows loves to overwrite GRUB, making your Linux OS unbootable. Best practice would be keeping Windows and it's bootloader on one drive and Linux with GRUB on the other.
Install Windows with only one drive in so it doesn't try to use the second drive for the bootloader, that's a common bug.
Install Linux second with both drives in, and when grub installs it will detect the Windows bootloader and make that an option on the boot menu.

[ebon acorn]

I’ve got two NVMe and two SATA SSDs with room for an additional HDD.

You advise I unplug everything except the Windows boot disk to start and then Linux then add the rest?

[fallow belfry]

Correct

[ebon acorn]

I’m a data hoarder and I like having lots of big games ready to go hence the perhaps overkill storage

Thanks

[fallow belfry]

Windows will install the bootloader to a random drive with no rhyme or reason to the madness if given the chance

[ebon acorn]

The sole reason I’m even keeping it around is for game compatibility and to isolate anti-cheat to something my important docs and data aren’t on.

[fallow belfry]

Perfectly reasonable, I do the same

[forest latch]

overkill? never enough.

honestly i would recommend you get a das or make a nas

[ebon acorn]

That's a future project. Well, more like a home media server/backup/private cloud.

[fallow belfry]

That's pretty much what I did. I took an old HP workstation that my neighbor sold me for $100 with an E5-1650 and slapped some hard drives into it. Installed Linux and set it up as a headless backup/plex/pi-hole machine.

[small fractal]

Any good ways to optimize your OS for computational purposes,
I currently am running ryzen 5 7600x ; Radeon 7700x ; 128 gb ram ddr5 5200. Ubuntu 22.04 (I’m still dubious of 24)

[fallow belfry]

Linux is already pretty well optimized. You could uninstall packages you don't use to reduce background task tasks.

[forest latch]

Not much point in case you randomly need to use those packages

Unless you are hardening a host against attacks, there's not too much point of removing the default packages because pretty much every default package included has use

[sand pecan]

Got a decent note taking system now

I got a PDF of the KaTeX cheat sheet and Zettlr open

[ebon acorn]

Is Ext4 the best choice of file system for Linux Mint?

[fallow belfry]

Generally yes

[ebon acorn]

Would I be correct in assuming that nvme0n1 refers to slot 1 and nvme1n1 refers to slot 2?

[fallow belfry]

Yes

[ebon acorn]

Cool. I had to go into the advanced partition menu and I want to make sure I'm actually using the separate 4TB drive for Linux and not overwriting the Windows installation I just spent several hours configuring.

[sand pecan]

It's not persistent btw

slot one can be nvme0n1 in one install and nvme1n1 in another

Don't think it's much of an issue in this scenario but it's something to look out for

[forest latch]

It's usually easier to just temporarily unplug a drive

[fallow belfry]

Mint has a graphical interface when installing so it would be immediately apparent if it was the wrong drive anyway

[small fractal]

I will say, if this wasn't a given, if ur using four dimms on linux with two different speeds, it is highly unstable (accidently ordered ddr5 5600 instead of 5200)
also does anyone know if Ubuntu 24.04 is stable enough yet

[fallow belfry]

That memory issue applies to any OS

And what was unstable about 24.04 for you?

[small fractal]

aha I found out the hard way, even with throttling its unstable. I'm currently on 22.04, and in the middle of a pretty intensive work load, but I am eying the upgrade at the moment due to the benefits of the newer kernels with radeon and ryzen, the last time i tried to do noble, I had issues with rgb, discord and steam

[fallow belfry]

You can update the kernel without updating the base OS

The added benefit of doing it this way is if something goes wrong you just select the old kernel in grub to boot from

[small fractal]

I'll have to do a lil bit of research into that I appreciate it, part of me is exploring options of taking one of my nvme drives and making it computational storage, or putting them both in raid, and using sata and externals for wrote storage. I'm trying to optimize a balance between computational speed for monte carlo programs for work which are entirely CPU based, and gaming. I went with linux because of the benefits in the academic coding sphere, and I was just overly tired of microsofts invasion of privacy

[forest latch]

even 2 kits of the same rated speed can be unstable, which is why ram is sold in kits

kits are tested to work to its rated speed with each other (supposedly)

[fallow belfry]

(unless it's corsair in which case they don't always)

[forest latch]

(that is the main reason i added the bracket)

[small fractal]

lovely, they are both the vengeance model

:/

[fallow belfry]

Yep that'll do it

[small fractal]

why are four dimms so unstable? is it just the speed, a motherboard limitation?

[fallow belfry]

DDR5 was never meant to have 4 slots at all

I was a last minute addition to the spec

[forest latch]

damn they added falcie to the spec

[fallow belfry]

lol

*it

[small fractal]

you'd think they would have a fix for that given that servers use way more than just four dimms

[fallow belfry]

Servers run at a much slower speed

[forest latch]

consumer devices use dual channel most of the time as well, while servers usually have way more dedicated memory channels

[fallow belfry]

And they also have 4 or more channels

[forest latch]

difference in cpu designs

usually alot more pcie lanes as well

[small fractal]

well beans, should I just sell all the ddr5 sticks I have at the moment, and just max cap on two then?

[fallow belfry]

You can do up to 96GB (2x48GB) without issues at about 6000 speed

64GB (2x32GB) is the same

[small fractal]

yeah i'm at 64gb rn

the computation I'm doing at the moment, I had a ram overlfow of about 60 gb which I just bandaided with a monsterous swap

[fallow belfry]

Sounds like you're a good candidate for a 96GB kit then

They're a bit pricy but they strike a good balance between speed and capacity

[ebon acorn]

If I just unplugged the Windows drive or very carefully selected my target drive, and just installed the normal way, it doesn’t look like it would install Grub automatically.

Or at least not default to the Grub boot select screen at system start.

Can that be easily fixed after start up?

[forest latch]

it should have installed grub unless you specifically selected the option to not install grub and to use some other bootloader

[fallow belfry]

I usually do the partitioning myself and give grub its own 64MB partition to be mounted as /boot

The EFI files would go in there too

[fallow belfry]

Odds are that grub did install and you just need to change your boot order in bios so that it prioritizes the disk that linux is on, and you should be able to pick the windows bootloader from grub too

[ebon acorn]

Now my boot disk isn’t working…

I haven't actually installed Linux yet, just looked at things in the live boot from USB.

The live boot from USB worked last night

[fallow belfry]

Odd. What program did you use to write the USB?

[ebon acorn]

Balena Etcher I think. The disk worked every time before this.

I know you can just write an image to a USB in Mint directly without a special program so maybe I'll try making a new disk on my laptop

[ebon acorn]

Same issue with the same image written to a new usb

I have pulled the Windows drive. That made no difference. The 4TB NVMe with absolutely nothing on it is the only drive connected. It does show as present in m.2 slot one in BIOS at least.

Is there a way to run a hardware check on it in BIOS just in case?

[ebon acorn]

I also reverified the image too and it came back good.

[ebon acorn]

Do you think initializing the drive in windows first would help?

[ebon acorn]

Looks like Windows Fast Boot was enabled and I think that might be the issue.

Just turned it off. Will reattempt.

[ebon acorn]

Didn't do a thing.

Does secure boot affect Linux Mint installation?

I have that on because it's a Windows 11 requirement.

[fallow belfry]

Secure boot can affect linux, but I thought they fixed that by now

It should be safe to disable secure boot at any rate

Windows will grumble about it but still runs fine

[ebon acorn]

Some of the forums I've found suggest renaming the grubx64.efi file (found in EFI/boot on the boot disk) to mmx64.efi, but I can't seem to figure out how to rename it. I can't rename in the drive, I can't delete anything from that folder, and it won't let me add back a copy that was moved to the desktop and renamed because there isn't enough room apparently.

Additionally, I would prefer to keep secure boot enabled if possible. Do you think disabling it for the intitial installation and reenabling it after would work?

[fallow belfry]

If secure boot is the problem (which is possible with a multi boot environment) then it will need to stay disabled whenever you run Linux

I know it's called "secure boot" but all it really does is prevent unauthorized operating systems from running

Normally the OS registers with the UEFI (BIOS) when you install it

Perhaps resetting secure boot variables to defaults would work

[ebon acorn]

And let me guess, it considers Linux to be "unauthorized." Or is it just that it is expecting Windows now that that was the first thing installed?

[fallow belfry]

A little of both

[ebon acorn]

Diabling secure boot made no different. Same fault as before.

[fast mango]

Man that is brutal

How did all of this start? Did grub just stop working out of nowhere

[ebon acorn]

I installed Windows 11 on one nvme ssd with no other drives connected.

I then attempted to boot from a Linux Mint Live Disk. I got a little apprehensive in the partition manager during the install sequence (all in Mint's GUI) and decided to shut it down and return to it later.

When returning to try again, I got the faults shown in the picture of my monitor. They flashed on screen for a moment, then the computer powered down.

I tried disabling secure boot, but that made no difference.

A Mint forum post suggested renaming the grubx64.efi file to mmx64.efi. I was unable to do this in Mint on a separate laptop, but was able to rename it in Windows 10 on a Surface Pro. Guess it pays having multiple machines with different OSes on them at the same time.

And just now I managed to boot into the Mint live environment with that last change.

I removed the Windows drive to eliminate any risk of accidentially putting anything Mint related on it.

Currently, the sole drive is a 4TB nvme SSD.

I'm about to attempt Mint installation on it.

Should I be able to select the Grub boot manager in BIOS when I'm done and use that to choose my OS as normal when this is over?

To be clear, I mean set the Grub manager to the top spot in the boot order

Also are there any terminal commands I can use to make the display output to 1080p? It's currently stuck at 800x600 and won't allow me to change it in the display app.

I'm sure it'll go away when installation is done, but it would be nice not to have my view smooshed while I do it

This is all on a new machine by the way

The end goal is to have Mint on its own 4TB drive, Windows on its own 2TB drive, and to run dual boot.

I will be plugging in additional SATA drives afterwards, but most of them will go to Windows.

I'm going to attempt to install normally now. Will update when finished.

Just to confirm, it is advisable to leave secure boot disabled when running a dual boot configuration right?

I installed in the live environment and clicked restart when prompted. Now it’s stuck on this.

I don't know what this means.

[ebon acorn]

I manually shut it down and then restarted, went into my bios boot menu and saw a Mint bootable installation. It appears to have started up fine. After installing updates it does now output at 1080p

So, now I am into Mint, but I need to figure out how to manage the dual boot when I plug the windows drive back in

[ebon acorn]

Alright, both OSes are now installed on two separate disks. I'm testing each now. I'm not sure how to get into either one besides going to the boot menu in BIOS with F11. Grub didn't appear in that menu.

Huh, it doesn't appear to have an option to rank the Windows disk above the Linux one in boot order. It seems to prioritize whichever one is in m.2 slot 1

[fallow belfry]

It'll be in a submenu

On the main boot order menu there's an option labeled "HDD priority" or something similar

[ebon acorn]

Ah, just found that.

But the Grub Boot loader isn't an option in BIOS or the F11 boot menu so far.

How exactly do I implement it?

[fallow belfry]

It won't be named as such, it would be that Linux Mint option you saw before

Hold shift while booting and it should show the grub menu

[ebon acorn]

Holding shift doesn't seem to do anything. It just boots to the Linux login

[fallow belfry]

Try tapping esc during boot instead

You should also be able to configure grub to always show the boot menu

[ebon acorn]

Tapping esc brought me to a menu showing GNU Grub 2.06, a little explanation line, and a series of "grub>" for every time I tapped the esc key

Is that menu the /etc/default/grub.d/90_custom.cfg:?

[fallow belfry]

No that would be more like an advanced boot menu

[fallow belfry]

Changing the custom config would bring up a menu showing all the installed and detected operating systems and allow you to select one

[ebon acorn]

I typed in the commands specified, but haven't hit enter on the second one

[fallow belfry]

The file is located in your operating system

[ebon acorn]

Would I just do that in terminal after logging into Mint?

[fallow belfry]

You would load a text editor as root (sudo) and open the file using the text editor

[ebon acorn]

So should I just shut down from this menu and log in as normal?

I'm back on desktop with terminal open

[ebon acorn]

https://livingthelinuxlifestyle.wordpress.com/2020/10/21/show-the-grub-boot-menu-in-linux-mint-at-startup/

Followed the instructions here, and that seems to have done the trick. I'm still pretty new to Linux so there a lot of knowledge gaps on my part of how to actually use the terminal to accomplish things.

Well that was a long day of on again, off again trouble shooting.

I didn't realize the solution was that easy from the get go.

Thank you for your help.

Aaaand now my resolution in mint is borked.

(sigh)

It is stuck at 680x480

The options in the display menu are all greyed out

Windows doesn't have this problem. It still defaults to the native resolution

I'm a little hesitant to just change the resolution on the "GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480" line for fear of breaking something to the point of not being able to see anything.

And while I'm currently running set up and testing on a 1080p monitor, I have a 1440p one that will be my new primary once this is all organized

[fallow belfry]

Let me guess, you have a Nvidia GPU?

[ebon acorn]

No, actually. It's an RX 7900XT

Chosen specifically because I know AMD's GPU driver support on Linux has tended to be better than Nvidia's.

It was outputting at 1080p before I edited the GRUB settings

The only thing I can think is that it's somehow connected to the Grub graphics output res.

But that doesn't explain why my display options are greyed out

[fallow belfry]

Have you installed the drivers yet? The one that comes with the kernel is pretty basic

[ebon acorn]

I ran the update and driver managers. Let me double check.

[fallow belfry]

https://www.amd.com/en/support/download/linux-drivers.html

[ebon acorn]

Says no drivers needed

In the Mint driver manager

[fallow belfry]

Right because it has the basic driver installed

[ebon acorn]

Ah. The ubuntu driver should be fine for mint right?

[fallow belfry]

You'd grab the Ubuntu package yes

Mint is Ubuntu based

[ebon acorn]

Can I do that via the terminal?

Navigating websites is a chore at the moment.

[fallow belfry]

There's a script you can use

One sec

[ebon acorn]

Also there are four packages for Ubuntu.

Listed on the site.

Which applies to Mint 21.3?

[fallow belfry]

22.04

Second on the list

You probably don't need ROCm

[ebon acorn]

22.04.1 or .05?

[fallow belfry]

.

[ebon acorn]

Ah. Sorry.

What is ROCm?

[fallow belfry]

AI stuff mostly

https://www.amd.com/en/products/software/rocm.html

[ebon acorn]

Ah, yeah. Not a priority for me. This is just a humble work and play machine.

Can I just double click the download in my file explorer and install like in Windows?

[fallow belfry]

Yep

[ebon acorn]

Last time I tried that with a Linux game installer from GOG it didn't work

[fallow belfry]

If the file extension is .deb it'll open in the package manager

[ebon acorn]

It says the same version was already installed.

[fallow belfry]

I believe the GOG installer is a .run file, which requires some extra steps

[ebon acorn]

Display options are still greyed out

[sand pecan]

Isn't there a package?

On apt

[ebon acorn]

I don't know. I'm new to Linux and am still getting my bearings.

Basically, I have just installed Windows and Mint to two separate disks for a dual boot configuration.

https://livingthelinuxlifestyle.wordpress.com/2020/10/21/show-the-grub-boot-menu-in-linux-mint-at-startup/

[sand pecan]

Try Sudo apt-get install amdgpu

[ebon acorn]

I followed the instructions here to get Grub to open by default and now my Mint is stuck in 640x480

[sand pecan]

I'm probably not much help here since I use a different package manager

[ebon acorn]

Windows is unaffected

[sand pecan]

It shouldn't be a grub issue

Ah

There's an install script

[ebon acorn]

Well the graphics line that the instructions had me uncomment is set to 640x480, but I don't know why that would lock the OS to the same once logged in

[sand pecan]

sudo apt-get install amdgpu-install

[fallow belfry]

In /etc/default/grub, change the line #GRUB_GFXMODE=auto to GRUB_GFXMODE="1920x1080". And uncomment the line GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep to reduce flickering during boot. After editing run sudo update-grub.

[ebon acorn]

Effectively the same message. "amdgpu-install is already the newest version"

[fallow belfry]

Yeah that's the script I mentioned

[sand pecan]

these linux tutorials are the reason why people abandon linux

💀

[ebon acorn]

I think the GFXMODE was set to 640x480 at the start of all this. I was hesitant to just change it to 1080p for fear of breaking something else, but if you think it'll work I'll try it

Or maybe I'll see if auto does the trick first. It wasn't on that before.

[fallow belfry]

The thing with Linux is that there's so many levels of understanding, it's hard to write a fully comprehensive guide that covers everything without assuming the user is incompetent and coming off as pretentious.

[ebon acorn]

Didn't know that was an option.

Also I didn't notice any flickering during boot to start with. Should I still edit the payload line?

[sand pecan]

I think they should at least explain the GFXMODE line

[fallow belfry]

It won't hurt anything

[sand pecan]

To be fair they explained everything else pretty decently

[ebon acorn]

Also, I notice that in gedit, when I highlight a line it does so in a color that is very close to the text and doesn't actually show where your cursor is.

Can that be tweaked?

[fallow belfry]

If the question is "can it be tweaked" in Linux the answer is always yes

Should be in the settings

Or preferences, whichever they call it

I don't use gedit lol

[ebon acorn]

It's just what the tutorial said to use.

[fallow belfry]

Yes and it's a good one to start with

I'm well past the starting point though lol

[sand pecan]

Oh so basically gedit is just a text editor

[ebon acorn]

I don't seem to even have the payload line

[fallow belfry]

No worries then, save and exit

[sand pecan]

Ctrl x enter or something

Wait this isn't nano

[fallow belfry]

Then you can run sudo update-grub and reboot

[ebon acorn]

I the GFXMODE to auto and updated grub. We'll see what happens next in a moment

[fallow belfry]

No it's a gui editor like notepad

[sand pecan]

Yeah I'm getting confused

Must be a gnome thing

[ebon acorn]

Okay, Grub output in 1080p, or close to it so good start

[fallow belfry]

Mint doesn't use gnome

[sand pecan]

Cinnamon?

[fallow belfry]

Yep

[sand pecan]

Cinnamon is quite nice

[ebon acorn]

Cinnamon is one of three environments they offer it in and is the one I picked.

It seemed like the closest thing to "default" Mint

[fallow belfry]

That's the one most default to at least yes

[sand pecan]

Not as powerful as KDE but not bloated either

[ebon acorn]

Anyway, I'm back in 1080p on desktop in Mint.

Setting that line to auto seemingly did the trick. We'll see if that holds when I switch to the 1440p monitor

[fallow belfry]

Guess that worked then

[ebon acorn]

However, in the display menu, my output options are STILL greyed out.

[sand pecan]

Isn't there a display settings menu somewhere(

[ebon acorn]

I don't understand why the GUI wouldn't let me set my resolution to something sub-native if I chose

[sand pecan]

I wonder if it's because you had the grub thing set

What happens when you leave it on auto?

[ebon acorn]

It was greyed out at the very start of install, and I figured drivers would resolve it. After driver updates it set to native res and I didn't bother to check the display settings again until now so I don't know if they ever ungreyed.

At the moment, setting gfxmode to auto has resolved the problem.

It was set to 640x480 by default when I first opened it as seen in the tutorial

I didn't know auto was an option until you guys mentioned it.

But I figured that would probably be my best bet to not have issues when I switch monitors.

[sand pecan]

Yeah usually I don't mess around inside grub unless I need to debug

[ebon acorn]

I want to set it and forget it. The whole point is to make my dual boot as smooth as possible. I'm hoping that by paying in time and anxiety now, I'll have an easier time later.

[sand pecan]

Yeah well

The problem is windows

If you have to reinstall windows it's going to be annoying

[ebon acorn]

It's on a completely separate disk, on it's own partition away from most of the rest of my games.

[sand pecan]

Windows does not like sharing efi partitions

Ah

[ebon acorn]

The annoying part would be reinstalling all my game clients like Steam and GOG Galaxy

[sand pecan]

Eh

It's better this way

I also wouldn't share game folders

[ebon acorn]

On Fal's own recommendation, I installed Windows first with only one drive installed.

[sand pecan]

They tend to mess with each other

[ebon acorn]

Gave it its own partition on my own initiative to hopefully make it easier on myself if I ever needed to reinstall it by limiting how much stuff I'd have to redownload or restore from a backup

Then I installed my second drive for Mint

[sand pecan]

Yeah I'd have OS only partitions

And then storage in a separate one

[ebon acorn]

I didn't do the same to Mint, but I do have snapshots enabled.

[sand pecan]

Well here's a neat trick you could do

[ebon acorn]

And of course I've got my boot media for both so I can repair or boot into live environments as necessary

[sand pecan]

You could just have your root in one partition

And then have your /home in another

[ebon acorn]

Can I do that post-install?

[sand pecan]

Yes

[fallow belfry]

Yes but it's messy

[sand pecan]

You just have to configure it in fstab

[ebon acorn]

I might just leave it then.

At least for now

[sand pecan]

Yeah it's more for advanced users

It's possible but it can be annoying

Especially if you don't want to have to deal with fstab headache

[ebon acorn]

Anyway, thanks to your kind gentlemens' help and a few web searches, I'm like 90% of the way there with this machine.

Next I need to plug in and configure my additional SATA devices.

[sand pecan]

I had a jury rigged linux install a while back

[ebon acorn]

But that's for tomorrow.

[sand pecan]

My os broke (bios shennaigans corrupted my install) installed my os again in another partition and then bind mounted my /home

I think it's still in that configuration

[ebon acorn]

Hey, if it works.

[sand pecan]

Yeah linux is very powerful once you know your way around it

[ebon acorn]

Amusingly enough, I might not be on this journey if it weren't for Microsoft getting increasingly invasive with their data collection, bloatware, and inbuilt advertising.

[sand pecan]

Yeah

I've been using windows 10 and a linux dual boot for a couple years now

Windows 11 was the final straw

[ebon acorn]

I'm keeping Windows on hand because I'm too big of a video game enthusiast to let it go completely, AND because I want anything with anti-cheat siloed off away from my Linux machine.

[sand pecan]

I've got rid of windows all together

[ebon acorn]

But I'm transitioning to Linux as my everything-but-video-games platform

[sand pecan]

Not a huge fan

Especially the rootkit anticheats

[ebon acorn]

And I do plan to explore Linux gaming too, just with stuff I know doesn't have anti-cheat

[sand pecan]

Ironically it's easier to run games than software

[fallow belfry]

That's why windows is installed solely as a gaming OS and Linux will be the primary for him

[ebon acorn]

I'm actually very excited about the work Valve is doing because of the potential it has to break Windows defacto monopoly on PC gaming.

Oh shoot, I still need to attempt to set my memory to max rated speed and stress test that too.

Still much work to do on this project, but it is very satisfying to see it gradually come together

[sand pecan]

I think we're seeing a trend where people are moving away from big software

[ebon acorn]

Anyway, it's eight past eleven o'clock for me, so I will need to bid you gentlemen good night.

[sand pecan]

gn

[ebon acorn]

Thanks for the help

[fallow belfry]

g'night

[sand pecan]

We're always here if you need help

[fast mango]

🐐

[fast mango]

You were not kidding

I installed endeavor on virtualbox and it is using 1.4gb of memory

And really the installation was kinda like nobara but with some more additional optional things

I might put this on my laptop

Not might i probably will

So I have w10 and nobara. Could i install endeavor on the unallocated space I still have and not have it conflict with anything?

[fallow belfry]

If you configure grub correctly yes

[fast mango]

When I open boot override and hit nvme for linux, will endeavor show up along with nobara

On the grub menu

[fast mango]

[fallow belfry]

Yep just need to set it up and it'll be fine

[fast mango]

Fire

[fallow belfry]

I've done a quad boot before

[fast mango]

who knows, maybe i might switch to endeavor on my desktop too

will see

[sand pecan]

Wait until you see the package manager

Plus wayy better documentation

You get the arch wiki

[fast mango]

Yeah I see the website there are over 95000

[sand pecan]

Do you have an aur helper?

[fast mango]

Idk I just got this thing

[sand pecan]

git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/yay.git

cd yay

makepkg -si

also I'd enable the multilib repo in /etc/pacman.conf

After that

Most of the packages you'll ever need will be one command away

[fast mango]

What is this

[sand pecan]

It's a build command

A lot of linux packages comes with a make script

So basically you can build for debian, ubuntu, arch, etc

If you're downloading packages off github you'll have to build them yourselfes

Usually it's a simple as cding into it wherever you've cloned the source and building the package

[dusk kernel]

The audio functionality died on my secondary system (Ubuntu Studio 24.04). I hadn't made any changes to the software other than updates since the last time I used the system for audio stuff. So I've been trying to get a sound card working rather than buying a motherboard. The card (SoundBlaster Audigy Rx) is recognized and I can hear the microphone input but it's not getting connected in JACK and I can't find anything to control the input level.

I've tried fiddling with pulseaudio tools, alsamixer, and settings in qjackctl for days with no luck.

Could someone stop by my place and fix this while I take a nap? LOL

[sand pecan]

It's probably something stupid with the kernel

Try reinstalling the kernel and then regenerate the initramfs

[dusk kernel]

1. booted to previous kernel
2. reinstalled 9 misc. kernel packages for current kernel
3. booted to current kernel
4. sudo update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r)
5. reboot to current kernel
   No change.

I'll check the settings in qjackctl.

Details of the misbehaving system:
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=26985

[ebon acorn]

It would be nice if the Linux Mint installer just told you that a "/" was all you needed to define a partition as root.

I'm dual booting Mint on an old iMac and just had a hiccup figuring out how to install it to my chosen partition, but it seems to be running smoothly now.

Sidebar, does anyone know how to find drivers for the Magic Mouse 2?

My logi pebble works perfectly fine with Mint, but the Apple mouse is non-responsive.

[sand pecan]

hmm

[sand pecan]

Maybe it's something to do with the audio service?

Or package

What does systemctl status [service name] say?

[ebon acorn]

Now the bluetooth manager in mint won't even open after attempting to turn it on and set it to be automatic.

[fallow belfry]

The driver is included in kernel 5.15 and higher

Or for older versions (4.18-5.14) https://github.com/RicardoEPRodrigues/magicmouse-hid

[forest latch]

The real question is how do people even find the magic mouse comfortable enough to want to use it

What kind of grip do you have to use with it

Because I tried a claw grip and even that wasn't comfortable

[ebon acorn]

It's more for the sake of being able to use it than any particular affinity for it.

[forest latch]

Hmm

I've always just plugged my own mouse into the macs because I never managed to get used to the magic mouse lmao

Cheaper that way as well, and it doesn't have the... Questionable charging port placement

(why did they do it)

(they could have even made a new connector instead)

[ebon acorn]

I'm going to shelf this for now as I've been working on this little project for the past few hours.

But the bluetooth manager is working again after a restart

So progress.

[sand pecan]

Proprietary hardware moment

[fast mango]

Why is red hat so obsessed with ai

They want to add ai to fedora

They also said something like linux is the past and ai is the future

the endeavor os pill is becoming more tempting

[sand pecan]

Yes

One of us

One of us

[fast mango]

The ai push was lowkey a letdown

I installed fedora on a vm and actually liked it

It had a lot of preinstalled stuff but was lighter than i thought

I was gonna try endeavor and fedora on my laptop and see how it plays out but I guess thats it

to me fedora seemed similar to modern windows but without the bs. like when i installed it i got windows vibes but better

now though it seems like they really are trying to be like windows

[fast mango]

[small fractal]

So: update
I have installed the Ryzen 9 9900x
I will say that it does operate rather nicely; and I have seen improved performances, however I have noticed that it is only taking 30kw(maxing out around 65 C), and on all cores its topping out around 4.7GHz. I was hoping that ya'll would be able to provide some guidance to overclock the CPU, since this is linux, we dont have access to ryzen master but I figured ya'll might have some ideas on how to maximize performance considering that I have plenty of power available still from the power supply and it could afford to run a bit hotter

[forest latch]

30 kilowatts?!

[small fractal]

oh my b

[forest latch]

😂

[small fractal]

wait

[forest latch]

that would be an inferno lol

[small fractal]

30 wats

watts

[forest latch]

if it maxes out at 65c, it shouldnt be only 35c unless the cooler is turned off?

where did you see the power metric

[small fractal]

watch -n1 "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'MHz'; sensors | grep 'Tctl'"

[forest latch]

hmm

[small fractal]

for temp

and then for power

its

watch -n1 "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep 'MHz'; sensors | grep 'Tctl'; cat /sys/class/hwmon/hwmon*/power1_input"

this is on ubuntu 24.04; I ended up upgrading the system proper and thus far there hasn't been any issues

[forest latch]

try checking _average_highest or _input_highest

[small fractal]

I do have PBO on at 90 level 5, but that is all that I have done, and the fans are on at full blast. hmm okay

I am currently out of the house but I'll try that so instead of power1_input, do that?

[forest latch]

power1_average_highest yeah

[small fractal]

alrighty; and in regards to any overclocking; I've seen corectrl being good for amd gpus, but is there any real variant that works for cpu optimization?

or would it almost be worth while duel booting and finding those values using ryzen master on a windows boot

[forest latch]

i'm not as familiar with this type of stuff on linux so maybe someone else could answer this

[small fractal]

honestly if I figure this out; I might just take the time to build a basic qt app to deal w it

or at least better visualize it all

[forest latch]

i assume someone has done it at this point lol

[small fractal]

surprisingly there isn't all that much stuff for optimizations outside of BIOS

at least that I have found

[fast mango]

I turned on pbo on in the bios and my ryzen master profile sticks

I have curve optimizer and auto oc +200

So if you want to do it from the bios you can

But if you want to go to windows for a bit you can do that too

[small fractal]

hmm I currently have it at auto oc of +100, I'm on lunch so I'm kinda just perusing github for any tools lol

[fast mango]

Linux does not seem to like intel igpus

On both my laptop and my ewaste mini pc, youtube will skip frames

system monitor also cannot sense the gpu

[dusk kernel]

I gave up on the sound card and bought another motherboard. Same model of Z97X I have now, but Rev 1.2 rather than Rev 1.1. I almost bought a newer mobo but that would have cost more (plus a CPU & probably RAM) and this mobo/CPU has plenty of power for what I use it for.

[sand pecan]

Oof

[dusk kernel]

LOL.... yeah, I decided to throw money at the problem rather than investing more time struggling with it. 😆

[sand pecan]

That's fair

How much was the Z97?

Haswell Z chipsets are still rather overpriced from what I've seen

[small fractal]

this is what we're getting at full blast

to be fair, I'm aware I need more swap but this is more of a one time sim

this is one of those instances, where having the additional cores is certainly paying its worth

but still. if I can squeeze any more out of it I'd be v happy

[sand pecan]

htop user spotted

[small fractal]

tbh the system monitor was slippin cause of the ram usage

[sand pecan]

I'm a btop user

imo the terminal system monitors work better

[small fractal]

Im lookin at the github, it looks nice, its a c++ build?

[sand pecan]

There should be a repo package

But yeah it's c++

Lightweight and fairly powerful for what it is

[small fractal]

I'll download it really quick and play around with it, I'm used to htop cause of slurm stuff

do you recomend the desktop install or just terminal install

[sand pecan]

Terminal

[small fractal]

this is amazing

[sand pecan]

the terminal UI is pretty intuitive

[small fractal]

soooo any recommendations on optimizations xD

[sand pecan]

I usually just change the theme

I mostly just open it to check usage and kill processes

The default works pretty well in this case

[small fractal]

yeah I really just need to monitor the drives and the ram in this case; I've been playing around with parallelizing my code

has a bit of overhead

[sand pecan]

Yeah you can probably get rid of the network interface monitor

You can save presets

[small fractal]

its useful to see how awful my internet is, I like how you have the bash script to the left

[sand pecan]

Oh yeah I was checking where my nfs share was mounted

I'm using a tiling window manager

It's pretty quick

[ebon acorn]

So I'm slowly but surely getting my new PC build where I want it. I currently have two audio devices set up. The first is headphones plugged directly into the back of the MOBO. The second is a set of PC speakers plugged into the new monitor which in turn is connected to the PC via display port.

I didn't realize before today that display port can transmit audio, but on the windows side I can easily toggle between audio devices with the windows game overlay.

The Mint audio manager is currently only showing a single audio device which seems to be the headphones.

Is it possible I need some sort of DP driver to allow for audio from the monitor connected speakers?

My driver manager currently shows it is up to date and the video signal looks perfectly fine.

[sand pecan]

It could be the DP cable too

I've had HDMI cables that didn't transmit audio for whatever reason

[ebon acorn]

It works on Windows.

I just don't see more than one audio device in Mint.

And that one audio device is the headphones.

[forest latch]

your gpu drivers handle the audio through displayport or hdmi

at least on windows

i have no idea if it's the same on linux

[fast mango]

Ok so i tried different intel media drivers, ffmpeg and libav codecs are preinstalled with nobara, messed around with firefox config settings and still video decode is not being used properly

gpu 3d is being used instead

goes up to like 40% when playing youtube

nvm that was because i disabled a setting

with default settings again its like 15

Basically, i WILL see dropped frames and i WILL like it

[sand pecan]

wtf?

[fast mango]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-what-it-is-it-is-eet-eet-iz-iz-gif-17896182

Thats what I get for not getting the amd laptop

Very few frames are dropped when plugged in

[fast mango]

I guess this means I have to install appstream right

Not sure why this is, even on the desktop

When I type in something and click on whatever it is I am looking for, that happens

Using discover as an example

Oh I see

Nobara has this removed to avoid conflicts

[fast mango]

https://youtu.be/kGyU8VGVFYU

[dusk kernel]

I paid around $75 USD total, shipped from Canada. (they were asking around $125) That's more than I really wanted to spend on a fairly old motherboard, but it's the same model I have so at least I'm familiar with it.

This is the motherboard:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z97X-UD5H-BK-rev-12#ov

Also... I just had yet another wacky idea. 😆 I have one of these Dell "All In One" units:
https://www.dell.com/support/product-details/en-us/servicetag/CTYX922/overview

It has a touchscreen and HDMI out, but no HDMI input. The motherboard has 2 NIC interfaces (Killer™ E2200 and Intel). If I'm able to use both NIC's at the same time, I should be able to setup a remote desktop connection between the touchscreen and the desktop system using ethernet.

I've actually done that with the AIO unit and a Raspberry Pi in a situation where the AIO choked on something I wanted to run, but the Raspberry Pi could run it OK. I think that was a web-based game of some sort.

But yeah.... gotta get the motherboard swapped before I add any other projects to my list. LOL

[sand pecan]

Oof

$75 is a lot but

High end Haswell parts remains costly unfortunately

[dusk kernel]

That didn't even include the IO shield... but... I already have one. heh heh I rationalized the higher price by telling myself that me being familiar with the motherboard and it even being a newer revision, was worth the extra money. Plus, I got it signifantly lower than the advertised price. 😁

[sand pecan]

I mean

It a Z97

It should be way lower anyways

The second hand market around used high end is pretty screwed tho

Anything with i7 or Z is disproportionately overpriced compared to the rest of the market

[fast mango]

Already went over it but the flatpak sandboxing is crazy

I downloaded gpu screen recorder and it took up like 3.8gb and when I ran it and pressed record, it wanted me to install it systemwide with a command

So I deleted it and just did the command

Saved almost 3 gigs

[sand pecan]

I always use distro repos

[fast mango]

Yeah what I do now is use flathub to look for things and then see if I can install it from other sources

[dusk kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/cartoon-family-guy-gif-12938990

[dusk kernel]

IIRC... I paid $50 for the board and $25 for shipping. But yeah, I'd have preferred to pay less.
Ultimately, I just want a working system so I can get back to singing occasionally, and +/- $25 isn't going to keep me from paying rent or buying food. Hell, I can make that in 2 hours of singing. 😁

[sand pecan]

oh

$50?

eh

that's not too bad tbh

the shipping does kill the value but

with all things

shipping always does

honestly the base price is reasonable

[dusk kernel]

I've definitely made worse purchases. 😆

[sand pecan]

I wonder tho

with the old board

you could probably get a xeon and make a haswell server

if the board isn't that messed up

[dusk kernel]

Oh right... I haven't thought that far ahead yet. heh heh The current board seems to work fine except the audio system stopped working. So I might be able to use it for something else. I don't really NEED a server though. If I did, I'd be tempted to use a Raspberry Pi or the HP mini system I have.

[sand pecan]

It is a Z97 so

you can do quite a bit on it despite its age

[dusk kernel]

I feel like I still have these CPU's I could put in it. They're all kinda meh but would serve to get a system built then I could buy a better CPU if the system proved to be useful.
i5-4590 @ 3.3 GHz
i5-4570 @ 3.2 GHz
i5-4460 @ 3.2 GHz
I have the best CPU the board can handle (i7-4790K @ 4.0 GHz) but that'll stay with the audio system.

[sand pecan]

xeons might be better priced

the 4c/8t xeons aren't too expensive

but since you already have the cpus

honestly you might not even need the HT

[dusk kernel]

Yeah, I was just checking Passmark scores and the CPU compatibility list for the board. The Xeon E3-1285 V4 is nearly the same as the 4790K. I think I didn't see one of those when I was shopping several months ago.

[mortal totem]

Can’t you find xeons for like, sub 10usd

[dusk kernel]

Yeah... but in my case, I'm limited by which ones the motherboard supports. I found one for $12 that would fit, so I'll consider Xeons if I decide to put the "old" board to use.
Example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/286303651219

[burnt wyvern]

Is there any way to run vm softwares like blue stacks , ld9 on ubunto

[sand pecan]

yes

for bluestacks there is a better alternative

Since android runs on linux,

there is this application called "Waydroid"

which basically runs android inside a container on your linux computer

with near native performance

[sand pecan]

I've gotten roblox to run on it

[burnt wyvern]

Thx I'll try it

[burnt wyvern]

Oh i just wana run a game that i multi box on my little old pc lol

[balmy cradle]

This is probably a dumb question, but I just switched to linux recently from windows, and I'm wondering what people generally use for onedrive integration... >_>

I use onedrive mostly for backing up photos... so it'd be nice if it had the same caching feature that windows does...

I know regular ubuntu has a feature where you can add a ms account, and Nautilus (the ubuntu file manager) will have a "onedrive" folder for you, but that doesn't seem to actually sync anything... it just makes it available when you're online. Also, I just switched to KDE to try out some KDE things, and it doesn't seem to have the same features with Dolphin (the kde file manager).

[forest latch]

as a windows user, i hated the onedrive integration into file explorer
you could look into rsync though, i'm not 100 on if it supports being used with onedrive though
you would just have to setup a chrontab to automate the backups or such

looks like duplicity also is good

tbh there's alot of options lmao

[balmy cradle]

😅 ... that's kinda part of the functionality I'm looking for... a file-explorer-type onedrive integration, where my files are also saved locally so I can interface with them through the terminal

I think I saw a reddit post about setting up rsync like you describe... it looked a little complicated though... >_>

[forest latch]

well, the part i hated was how janky it was

[balmy cradle]

and like maybe it doesn't fully sync stuff

[forest latch]

it did not like working properly for me on windows lol

[balmy cradle]

hmm... always seemed to work fine for me...

The only problem I really had with it was that anytime Thing2 played the sims on my PC, it cached a bunch of files to mydocs, and then deleted the cache when it was done

resulting in a notification that I deleted hundreds of files

freakin lazy bums over at EA, saving things to mydocs... >_>

_<

Oh... and then it also defaulted to C:\users\me\onedrive... when I have a separate drive specifically for onedrive stuff... O:\onedrive...

So, as soon as you got logged into windows for the first time, it was like... "oh, here... let me blow up your C:\ drive with a half a terrabyte of photos, because reasons"

[forest latch]

lmao

[balmy cradle]

I see some posts reccomending this tool... maybe I'll give it a try... >_>

https://github.com/abraunegg/onedrive

[forest latch]

worth a try

honestly idk how many people in this server would have any knowledge about this specific use case lmao

[balmy cradle]

Figured it was a longshot

[forest latch]

most people here who use linux as a desktop os already has a NAS for backups

[balmy cradle]

I see...

[forest latch]

(in this server that i've observed at least)

[balmy cradle]

I should probably do that at somepoint

NAS for onsite backups, onedrive for offsite... >_>

[forest latch]

i know someone else not in this server (i think) that used s3 storage or whatever on backblaze or smth (though that was to backup the nas backup lol)

[sand pecan]

Iirc there's onedrive integration options

Not sure about how they work tho

FOSS people are not the biggest fans of MS

[balmy cradle]

There are in Nautulus... you just add your MS account in settings, and then you're off to the races

but KDE has dolphin instead

[sand pecan]

You could probably set up rclone

[balmy cradle]

Also... the Nautulus integration isn't great... it gives you files on demand, but it doesn't do any caching, so it's really slow

[sand pecan]

To sync with the OneDrive servers

https://itsfoss.com/use-onedrive-linux-rclone/

Try this

[balmy cradle]

I think I saw that... there was a step there to mount it to make it look like a drive

[sand pecan]

You might have to set up a script to get to sync periodically

Or on modification

[balmy cradle]

but there was also something that said that sync doesn't really work, so if you make a change you still have to like... manually upload or something?

[sand pecan]

Well

You can set up a service that syncs it periodically

Or on startup

[forest latch]

set a chrontab or smth to run at startup and maybe hourly or such
or even less frequently

every 12 hours
every day
maybe longer

[balmy cradle]

Well... stuff to think about...

Thanks for the help!

[small fractal]

Lol one of my primary reasons from going away from windows

One drive forced integration never sat well with me

[balmy cradle]

You can turn it off pretty easily...

I only recently switched because win11 decided it didn't like my PC, and I just rebuilt it a few years ago with all new parts...

[sand pecan]

What's the rest

For me Windows 11 was the last straw

If they are charging money for that thing while monetising my data as well

The OS better be good

But it's even more bloated and clunky than 10

So I just gave up on windows

[small fractal]

Well,
My one drive got breached by an old acquaintance and that turned me off to pretty much everything cloud. Also the file paths are awful if you’re trying to code..
Windows basically selling my data to the highest bidder , there’s no realllll security and like you said: for what?

The ram compression system doesn’t have many use cases for me, it can be almost impossible at times to actually delete things, and honestly I was fed up w it. My code runs leagues better on Linux , all of my data is my own and it just works better for what I need.

Also I prefer bash to powershell

[forest latch]

That is so real

I can do PowerShell scripting (and I prefer it over batch/cmd) but man

Bash is just so much better

[sand pecan]

Yeah most of us who use linux just like the freedom

freedom to do whatever we want

and freedom from big data

[mortal totem]

luckily there are many self hosted projects to replace cloud services like onedrive, google drive, etc

[balmy cradle]

I just gave up, because it refused to install on my PC anymore... >_>

I was getting a black screen for no explicable reason every few hours... after a day of troubleshooting, I figured I'd just reinstall windows... and then I got a blackscreen while installing windows...

Installed ubuntu, and haven't had any problems

[balmy cradle]

I also ❤️ powershell... 😅

[small fractal]

I’ll likely do a NAS at some point

I mean I’m currently playing around with Pop!OS cause it’s neat and has a really cool UI, and the encryption on my drives is nice too. I use Debian for my code environments and it just fits yk?

Like ya sure there’s some stuff that just won’t work on it at times but I’m not really doing GPU accelerated processing, all my computations are cpu based

[small fractal]

It’s tedious

Made by satan

In other news did you know the Boston dynamic dogs run on a version of Ubuntu jammy

We had one come in to work today; v cool

[sand pecan]

It's funny because I don't think most of us would be using linux if windows... Just worked

And that's literally why most people use windows

It's traditionally the "just works" option

But these days it's becoming less and less true

[sand pecan]

I really like debian

It's lightweight and pretty stable

I usually don't use the debian derivatives

...then again all the machines I use debian/debian based distros on are servers/nas

[small fractal]

Oh Debian is fantastic, which is why I use it as a container for environments

I’ll eventually go to a Debian LTS but as it stands I’m relatively new to Linux( only been using it for a year)

and I like to hop around

But like for stability and no bs Debian is the one true way

[small fractal]

Microsoft is doing what Disney did to starwars

[sand pecan]

I hate disney so much

They ate up any IP worth a damn

And they're just squeezing money out of them

Despite the fact that if they actually made something good they would make more money in the long run

[small fractal]

South Park has a pretty good bit on what Disney has done

[small fractal]

Why would they ever do that when they have a diehard fan base

As someone from Florida

I assure you that it’s only gotten worse

I remember when I could go to Disney and it was relatively affordable?

[sand pecan]

Disney was affordable?

[small fractal]

Once upon a time

Yes

Before the crash of 08

Like $60 to get in

[sand pecan]

Didn't they also refuse to pay out to the family of a guy who died because they had disney+

[small fractal]

Hahahahah yep

They’ve sold their soul

[sand pecan]

Big corp at their finest

[small fractal]

Mhm which is why it translates well to what Microsoft is doing

Same with google

The ai implementation was the worst decision they ever could have done

[forest latch]

i don't hate powershell, but i think bash is just more intuitive

[forest latch]

tbf i'm only using linux for server stuff, im still on windows for desktop

windows server just simply has never been good

[small fractal]

It’s just tedious like I understand it, it’s just ugh like why

[small fractal]

This is honestly what convinced me to go Linux since all my slurm stuff is done via bash

I model reactors, nuclear likes bash thus I do too

[forest latch]

lmao

[small fractal]

What server stuff do you do?

[forest latch]

Just random things for classwork and or fun lol

Mainly use debian for my shenanigans

[small fractal]

What kind of shenanigans do you get up to 👀

[forest latch]

Just game servers honestly

[small fractal]

Like MC?

[forest latch]

If I tried to host on windows it would be like running another game instance of resources 💀

Yeah

Mc, scp:sl, satisfactory, etc.

[small fractal]

Modded? We just did a run of the create mod

[forest latch]

Though I don't have anything hosted currently since nobody goes on them anymore lol plus I gave that old desktop to a friend since he needed something to access the internet with

Yeah, didn't make any modpacks though

Just found some random interesting ones off curseforge lol

[small fractal]

Eh it buffs it’s always fun to dabble in that kind of stuff

I usually do my yearly month of minecraft

Fire it up

Run a new set of mod packs

[forest latch]

Lol

[small fractal]

It’s a brand new game every time

The hyper focus is real

This time we did trains

[forest latch]

I played so much around with the old minecart mods

Forget the name of the mod

Was a good long while ago though

[small fractal]

When life was simple?

[forest latch]

I don't even remember what version it was on

Probably 1.7.4 lol

Or whatever version it was?

Might have been railcraft

Idk, I found it from dantdm, I think from the Diamond dimensions series

[balmy cradle]

So true...

Plus all the AI garbage they're trying to shove down our throats

I wouldn't mind if it was in an application off to the side that I could ignore... but they had to put copilot in everything

[sand pecan]

yeah that's why win 11 was the last straw for me

like this is my computer

I only want the essentials

copilot is not an essential application

[balmy cradle]

I mean... it's why so many people root their phones...

carriers and manufacturers load them up with so much bloat that they run like dogcrap out of the box

people want to own their software and devices... not be dictated that they have to have something installed

[quick ermine]

Ironically that's exactly Apple's schtick

[fast mango]

I guess its a little better apple, but apple is still big bro

Maybe a little less spooky than google

My next phone is gonna be a oneplus 11 with lineage on it

[smoky fable]

Calling apple big bro? As in big brother?

Pretty wild considering their stance on privacy

[fallow belfry]

What happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone gets fed into the cloud for AI training and analysis

[fast mango]

Well it is private, just not to apple

Or maybe I could start using my g7 thinq again

But something I wondered is if you can switch between operating systems

[fallow belfry]

As long as it's not Verizon

[fast mango]

Could I switch between the android installation and lineage

[fallow belfry]

It's Unix

You can do whatever you want

As long as the firmware isn't locked

[fast mango]

Dualbooting on the phone is crazy

But how do you edit the partitions

Clearly I have a lot to look up

[fallow belfry]

Partitioning is the easy part

You just load up fastboot and mount the storage as a disk in Linux

[fast mango]

Oh ok and then you can shrink the partition to make space for the other rom

[fallow belfry]

Yep

[fast mango]

Thats pretty easy fr

And I guess if you dont like it you can just delete that and resize it again

[fallow belfry]

Or rather you'd shrink the user data partition and create 2 new ones

Unlike desktop dual booting you don't want 2 android systems using the same user data folder

[fast mango]

[fast mango]

[dusk kernel]

KDE detected... club membership approved.

[sand pecan]

It's amazing what you can do with KDE

you can have two KDE users with desktops that look like completely different OSes

[smoky fable]

https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/14/apple-doesnt-use-your-data/

We do not use our users’ private personal data or user interactions when training our foundation models.

...unless something's changed since the writing of the article/publishing of the paper it's talking about?

Also this

https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/

[fallow belfry]

They changed it after massive public outcry to this policy, but there was a good few months where they had the policy of "it's our data now"

[smoky fable]

I see

[small fractal]

Though…. If it’s to be believed; the U.K. is currently pushing for apple to make a back door for them to surveil their constituents

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj54eq4vejo.amp

Tldr

Just encrypt everything

Defense in depth is always the best solution to privacy concerns

[mortal totem]

the homelab community takes another win

[small fractal]

Seems like that’s more apparent these days

Who needs privacy when your data can be profited off of

[fast mango]

Yeah they are making it illegal for them to encrypt

So if you live in 1984 then you would have to encrypt files yourself

[fallow belfry]

The UK demanded that Apple make a backdoor into the encryption. Apple refused, opting instead to remove the encryption entirely, opening the front door instead.

[ebon acorn]

Hello all, I've run into a new issue on Linux Mint. I installed Steam via the software manager and initially it worked fine, but now when I open it it just opens a window that is a mirror of my desktop background. I can even close it if I click in the upper right corner where the x is supposed to be, but I can't see anything that should be on the window. My drivers and system both show they are up to date in the respective GUI managers.

And now it's mirroring my firefox window... or part of it anyway

It seems that the UI buttons are active and respond to clicks as one of the settings dropdowns opened when I clicked a random spot, but it's not displaying anything useful.

I'm running an AMD GPU for reference.

It seems to just display a screenshot of whatever is on the desktop when launched that is within the confines of the Steam window border.

Like a transparent, invisible window

I can get into settings by right clicking and selecting the relevant option on the shortcut. The settings subwindow opens fine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/155d5b1/steam_is_invisible/

The following command launches the Steam UI normally, but if I close and attempt to relaunch via the shortcut the issue persists.

"steam -cef-disable-gpu"

I'm not entirely sure what is going on here, or the best fix. Is there a way to add that term command as an opening argument for the shortcut so I can actually use it?

[ebon acorn]

There are multiple versions of Steam in the Mint software manager. I'll remove this one and try another. See if that helps.

No luck, same issue as before.

Alright, there are three versions of Steam I see in the software manager, and the flatpak one specifically seems to not have the issue the other two do.

So far at least.

The initial one looked fine at first too.

The flatpak version takes longer to log in interestingly enough.

Only a few seconds more, but still noticeable.

[sand pecan]

the Steam UI can be a bit janky at times

I assume you installed the standard repo version?

[ebon acorn]

I installed (and removed) each of the three options in the Mint software manager. The current one is the flatpak version and so far it doesn't have the same UI bug.

[fast mango]

There is a weird thing happening where when someone gets on a game

The notification comes up in the middle of the screen instead of the corner like how its supposed to

Ok I turned it off and on so lets see if that fixes it

[sand pecan]

yeah that's one of the good things about flatpak

sometimes sandboxing an application can help

[ebon acorn]

Some other forum thread I saw said the flatpak version in Mint is more buggy, but as of now it’s the one that’s working without launching through terminal with specific arguments.

So I’ll begin my testing there.

Additionally, I discovered that Mint has locked my 240hrz display to 93hrz.

The setting for refresh rate is greyed out in display settings

Drivers show as up to date too

With an AMD CPU and GPU

[sand pecan]

yeah sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

[fallow belfry]

That's a steam bug, I get that in Windows

[fast mango]

Weird

Never had it in windows

I just turned the notification off for now

[fallow belfry]

It's common for weird resolutions and multi monitor

[small fractal]

yall know any good packages for crash dumps

[sand pecan]

I usually just check journalctl

[ebon acorn]

I'm sure this is just par for the course with learning Linux, but as I do more I uncover more problems that need solving.

My display is a 2560x1440 240hrz monitor connected with display port. In Mint, my display settings are mostly greyed out, the refresh rate is stuck at 93 hrz, and I can't change it.

I've also noticed screen tearing and and odd look to video playback from mp4 files that ran fine on my old Windows machine. I installed VLC to compare against the built in video player and I'm not sure it made a difference. Of course, a lot of these videos are even sub-1080p so it's possible they just look dramatically worse on the 1440p display, but that doesn't explain the screen tearing.

Tried some youtube videos too. I'm not sure how to describe it, but the video playback just doesn't look that good. Even on 1440p output and screen tearing on fast movement seems to be a thing on everything I've tried so far.

[ebon acorn]

The Mint Driver Manager shows everything up to date, but curiously when I ran inxi -Fxz, it shows N/A for the graphics driver. Not sure what to make of that.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/download/linux-drivers.html

I'm contemplating trying the latest Ubuntu driver from the website

[fast mango]

There is a command you can do to remove and install the amdgpu driver

For fedora based systems its just sudo dnf remove or install amdgpu

So I guess just try sudo apt remove/install amdgpu

I also just found this
https://amdgpu-install.readthedocs.io/en/latest/install-script.html#script-types

I find it weird how you have so many issues with mint

I'm on nobara which is maintained by a single guy and barely have any issues

It should be the opposite

[ebon acorn]

It'll simultaneously uninstall and reinstall the latest driver?

Tried the latest driver from the website and got this.

Same version already installed

[fast mango]

Nah I was trying to say its the same command but with either install or remove

Sudo (x) remove amdgpu
Sudo (x) install amdgpu

Also check that link i sent earlier

[small fractal]

Apt remove
Apt auto clean
Apt purge are some of your best friends

Could be a cache thing

I’d say kill it all with fire and brimstone and then reinstall the amd gpu drivers but this time go with amd pro with rocm etc…

[near maple]

i installed arche barebones for the first time , i've installed it on a usb 3 flash drive

this time using arch install (i've already did it the normal way on a virtual machine , i didn't wanna go through all that again)

but

audio sounds bad

like UNUSABLE Bad , not just bad

can not even make out speach

and speakers don't work

and also

every time i want to boot into a diffrent os , i need to toggle secure boot and change the order of the drives to switch between windows and arch

couldn't figure out how to fix any of this

and also

how can i access my windows files

when i try to acess the drive from arch it asks for a password

idk which password its asking for ,the windows log in password doesn't work

[mortal totem]

Umm with accessing windows drives I think it usually just works unless it is encrypted with bitlocker or if its a system folder. What I’d usually opt to do is put my files on a separate exfat drive so it is easily accessible from both

What bootloader are you using? You should be able to configure a boot menu to pick windows or linux on boot but I am unsure about the secure boot situation

[near maple]

on linux i use grub

[ebon acorn]

AMD pro with rocm?

Are all those commands going to be with sudo?

[sand pecan]

did you install pulseaudio?

[ebon acorn]

Ran the first three commands from this on the AMD driver page

Then got this. I'm a little afraid to proceed in all honestly

[ebon acorn]

Upon reboot, I had a blue MOK boot screen. I guess I didn't select the right things because it booted as normal (without me having to input my secure boot password) into a low res mode and then after a second reboot the system is outputting native resolution again, but the screen tearing and limited display options remain. Not sure how to get back into the MOK screen to input my secure boot password if necessary, nor am I sure how to remove and undo everything I did following the commands from the AMD driver page. I do have a timeshift snapshot from earlier today before I did any of this though.

Also my system reports is recommending/asking me to perform a usrmerge conversion now.

[dusk kernel]

My "new to me" (LOL) Z97X motherboard arrived and I got it swapped with the misbehaving one today. The only broken bit I've found is a hardware switch that toggles single & dual BIOS. In all the years I had the original motherboard, I've never messed with that, so if it's stuck at single BIOS, it'll be fine.

The BIOS was 2 versions behind, but I was expecting that and using the built-in BIOS updater was painless.

Once I got the old motherboard out and looked it over, I noticed a capacitor in the audio section that seemed slightly crooked. When I touched it, it felt slightly loose. So perhaps that can be repaired. And I do have a soldering iron. heh heh

[sand pecan]

hmm

[near maple]

i installed pipe wire

[sand pecan]

hmm

[sand pecan]

try pulseaudio

[near maple]

to use , do i need to uninstall all the pipe wire packages then install pulse audio?

[sand pecan]

yes

sudo pacman -Rns pipewire

[near maple]

ok

[mortal totem]

this post is a bit old but you can modify grub to include the windows boot:
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/s1fvw6/adding_windows_11_to_grub_bootloader/

[near maple]

its either i didn't install it properly or pulseaudio also doesn't fix anything

i tried the command

it said that the uninstallation didn't work because someother stuff depended on it???

am not sure , but i then looked on how to disable it

and found a the command systemctl i think

after that i've installed pulse audio

and restarted the system

and it didn't fix it

same issue

[near maple]

update :

i thought about

how i choose kde plasma

but the ui looks gnome

but all the apps were kde related

so i tried installing the gnome package

because i decided gnome looks nice

and restarted and made sure gnome is applied from the login page

this made the audio barely usable

i can hear stuff now

sometimes i can't hear speach

but it stills sounds like garbage

and , i think what was going on earlier is that when the audio was low , it was too dim to hear , but when increase it , it starts clipping

i think its clipping , the same issue still occurs , anything a bit high and it starts clipping , the diffrence now is that i can actually hear stuff when its not clipping

[near maple]

i use arch btw

[small fractal]

Do you hate yourself perchance ?

[fast mango]

Is this an arch moment

[small fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/sudo-rm-rf-linux-bruh-chungus-poggers-gif-19024993

[sand pecan]

yes

my first arch installs didn't work right

arch is a hobby

that's why I generally recommend endeavouros

[sand pecan]

did you enable pulseaudio.service?

[fast mango]

I saw a video of this college student saying he quit arch and moved to debian because he doesn't have the time to keep fiddling with arch anymore

dude in the comments said "he grew up "