overclocking

[modern walrus]

NVMe or SATA?

it's hard to imagine that's the bottleneck tho

oh ya NVMe wouldn't bottleneck

have you tried running the XMP numbers but tuning the secondaries?

ya

I mean damn if they're passing TM5 they should be just fine

it might also be if your RAM is 16-19-19 that the ICs aren't good for higher voltage

I'd guess that's hynix CJR or AJR

& if it's CJR, 1.45 is the max voltage before you risk degrading the memory

the little chips on the memory

basically there are three main companies that make DDR4 chips: Hynix, Micron, & Samsung

each of the three has different ICs (integrated controllers) they make

without getting too much into the weeds, every IC has different voltage tolerances & other characteristics

for instance, Samsung has Bdie & Cdie (many others too but for simplicity)

bdie you can absolutely pummel with voltage up to like 1.8-2.2v & if you cool it, it can take it. Cdie on the other hand, over 1.35v can get degraded

to make things even more complicated, the manufacturers rarely tell you which ICs they're using. The only surefire way to know is to remove the heatspreder & see what's printed on the ICs. Otherwise programs like thaiphoon burner will try to tell you but aren't always right

so what makes RAM overclocking especially annoying if not outright ridiculous is when you're buying RAM 3200c14-14-14-34 will be really expensive & 3600c16-18-18-42 will be inexpensive.

& it'll seem silly to spend like double for 3200c14 but later you realize that's bdie & 3200c14 can run 4000c14 if you give it enough voltage

but 3600c16-18-18-42 is like CJR or something that you're pretty much stuck at or close to XMP cuz it can't handle the voltage it would take to make it run faster

[digital dirge]

Upgrade to ddr5 when?

[modern walrus]

I might in the next week or so

gotta see tho

ya I don't think an XMP of c16-19-19-39 is bdie

the 4000mhz bdie I have is 4000c17-18-18-38

32gb of bdie is expensive

like $200+

damn ya cuz it's 4000mhz

32gb in general is usually up there

I think this is the cheapest 32gb bdie https://www.newegg.com/hp-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/0RN-000Z-00P47?Item=9SIARDJGJ84632&Description=3200c14&cm_re=3200c14-_-9SIARDJGJ84632-_-Product&quicklink=true

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent Welp

[modern walrus]

usually any bdie that's like 3600mhz + is pretty high up there price wise

[sterile flame]

looks like I got my repadding and pasting together on my gpu

now

I wonder how I can increase my control over this cpu

bc I swear

it does what ever it wants

[modern walrus]

damn you got my 3080ti beat lol https://www.3dmark.com/spy/24813386

ya DDR4 should keep going down

[sterile flame]

that's really good for a 3080Ti ngl

I've seen 3090's with that score

I disagree

Nvidia is better for workstations

AMD gaming

Why bc it's cheap

[modern walrus]

this is the DDR4 kit I really want. XMP is 4800c17-19-19-39 (the "godbin" bdie lol) https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820374183?Description=4800 c17&cm_re=4800_c17-_-20-374-183-_-Product&quicklink=true

[sterile flame]

And you get more performance

[modern walrus]

too bad it only comes in royals

[sterile flame]

stutters?

Nier, Code Vein, Destiny, Genshin, Honkai

[modern walrus]

ya I don't think most CPUs can even run that XMP

[sterile flame]

comp games hardly matter

you're already getting 250+ fps

[modern walrus]

only igpu AMDs could synced & probably only 11th & 12th gen intel can

[sterile flame]

Yeah your opinion is invalid if it's based on feel

Unless you can beat me in a benchmark don't talk to me about performance

Anyways

[dull ginkgo]

what

[dull ginkgo]

hey, what about the crazy ballistix max 5100c19 kit lol

Rev b is not b die but still great

[digital dirge]

I'm still salty that my ram turned out to be rev e and not rev b

[dull ginkgo]

why?

[digital dirge]

Rev b is better for my kit?

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent I plan on deshrouding my 6900xt and throwing 2 T30's on my heatsink. I'm pretty sure the GPU won't show anything on the display if I don't have a fan connected to the GPU fan header but Hay mentioned that it might stress out the header. Any idea what he means?

[sterile flame]

Both are on par according to testmemhelper

[modern walrus]

that thing is like $800 lmao

I think Kingston makes 5333 kit

[sterile flame]

wait

[dull ginkgo]

if it's between 2 sticks of dr 8gbit rev e versus 2 sticks of sr 16gbit rev b you'd prob get more perf out of the rev e

[sterile flame]

@digital dirge do you have the 16gb kit or 32?

[dull ginkgo]

huh, what die?

[digital dirge]

I have the 32gb kit

[modern walrus]

DJR I think

https://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Predator-HX453C20PB3K2-16-5333MHz/dp/B094JP5WW9

[dull ginkgo]

It's going to be like 1.6v and take ln2 to run xD

freq on djr does scale with voltage

[modern walrus]

DJR is pretty wild

if you can get over the nasty primaries tho

[sterile flame]

they should be on par with each other

single rank is also faster than dual rank

[digital dirge]

I have dual rank

[sterile flame]

dual rank rev b?

yikes

[digital dirge]

Dual rank rev e

I'm pretty sure.

My screenshot is at home on my pc

[sterile flame]

rev e is good...

idk what you're complaining about

and yeah I remember now

[digital dirge]

Idk. Pato said rev b is preferred for 32gb kit

Rev e for 16gb kit

And... not really complaining lol

[sterile flame]

I'm assuming it's probably bc rev b 16gb DIMMs are single rank

single rank is faster than dual rank

but dual rank also has it's benefits

i forgot what they were but they were there

[potent fiber]

Single rank can oc easier/more, if same speeds & timing dual rank is more performance. Rev E is often dual rank, Rev B was often single rank but there are some dual rank kits of it.

[sterile flame]

dual rank rev B is an F moment

[dull ginkgo]

2 dual rank sticks perform better in general than 2 single rank sticks

[dull ginkgo]

that sounds like a 64gb stick momento or something like that

[sterile flame]

nah i'm talking about dual rank 8gb Rev B

[dull ginkgo]

what

[sterile flame]

to make a 16gb stick

bc 8gb rev B is pretty bad

doesn't scale well with voltage

[dull ginkgo]

oh yea 8gbit rev b

[sterile flame]

yep

oh yeah

[dull ginkgo]

for some reason I thought you meant a 8gb stick with dual rank rev b

[sterile flame]

do you have any tips on maxing out the boost clock on an alder lake locked cpu?

[sterile flame]

lol

[dull ginkgo]

I assume people have already told you to get a board with clockgen

[sterile flame]

that would be overclocking the chip lol

[dull ginkgo]

throttlestop can be useful

[sterile flame]

i think you can change BLCK with it or smth

rn

[dull ginkgo]

ye board with clockgen lets you up bclk

[sterile flame]

I just want to force it to use that 4.9GHz boost clock

bc atm

it just uses it whenever it wants

with PLENTY of thermal headroom

[dull ginkgo]

throttlestop then, I forgot what the setting is called but there's a thing that's just how aggressively it boosts

[sterile flame]

is it a software?

[dull ginkgo]

ye

I used it on locked laptop chip but afaik works fine for desktop too

[sterile flame]

ok so

how do i use this

[digital dirge]

Wait, so I can lock my clock at its max 100% of the time?

[dull ginkgo]

There is a document somewhere that tells you how everything works, but iirc Speed Shift EPP and just put 1, that should make it boost as high as it can at all times

[sterile flame]

yeah i'm doing some TS benches rn

just to see what the baseline is

my cpu is weird

without load

it chills at 4.6GHz

with load

it drops down to 4.4GHz

speedshift at 0

got it

nope did nothing

[potent fiber]

Interesting. Could also use a real bench like wprime, etc. ThrottleStop can be funky. It was made to adjust mainly laptop cpus for less heat/wattage l

[sterile flame]

still working at 4.4GHz

I used cinebench before

but just need to increase that clock freq

yep it made no difference

the only difference it made was

if I ticked disable turbo

I get to use less of my CPU

🙃

[dull ginkgo]

sad

[potent fiber]

Check box for clock mod & multi, set to 46 or w/e maybe. Did you even hit the button that says "Turn On"?

[sterile flame]

yes

turn on does nothing

[potent fiber]

Click Limits or TPL, those might do something. Been a while since I messed w/ TS

[sterile flame]

clock mod nothing

multi doesn't work

I did this in TPL

does nothing

this CPU is so frustrating lol

It's got PLENTY of thermal headroom

and yet

it runs slower underload

like bruh

[dull ginkgo]

power limit prob, dunno though

[digital dirge]

(insert gf joke here)

[sterile flame]

what does that mean

I unticked speed shift

[dull ginkgo]

(Never ran into that but you probably want to read the documentation for throttlestop)

[sterile flame]

I might just uninstall lol

doesn't seem like it's doing anything

[sudden torrent]

Probably along the lines of the default fans use less power than the T30s would, so the header is probably not designed for the additional power load of them running full speed. I'm sure you could get around that by only plugging one into the GPU and the other into the motherboard and use software to match the speeds.

[sterile flame]

how do you measure that lol

[sudden torrent]

I doubt it'll just blank out on you without a fan though

[sterile flame]

hmmm alright

[sudden torrent]

The fans will all say what their rated amperage is on a sticker

[sterile flame]

Ahh yeah

But the question is how much can the GPU output

anyways

Byo said that the motherboard's PCIe sensor only senses the heat coming from the actual slot itself and not the GPU juntion temps

based on that alone I was thinking of just connecting them via 4pin GPU fan header to eliminate both of those concerns

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's why you use software to control it. Fan Control I think was the one you want.

If the total amperage of those two T30 fans is pretty close to the amperage of the default 3 smaller fans then it should be fine to do both to the GPU

[sterile flame]

yeah?

alright bet

[sterile flame]

also i got a whole list of fan control softwares when I searched that up

also

I tend to say "also" alot

But is deshrouding a form of exotic cooling?

[digital dirge]

https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases

[sterile flame]

will this override my bios settings?

[digital dirge]

Yes

[sudden torrent]

No, subzero is when it starts to be considered exotic

[sterile flame]

oh lol

welp quieter GPU?

I'll take it

[sudden torrent]

You're just doing custom air mod

Could be quieter yeah

[sterile flame]

speaking of air mods

will these fans suck so much air that the rad fans won't be able to keep up?

[sudden torrent]

Nah

[sterile flame]

I'm trying to maintain positive airflow

[digital dirge]

I mean, bios is good.. but this is highly customizable. You can link fan curves to one graph.. like gpu and cpu temps to one graph.

[sterile flame]

and with my GPU fans at 100% I start getting negative airflow?

I can't tell

[sudden torrent]

Since the fans aren't directly connected to intake or exhaust they'll just use what's in the case already

[sterile flame]

the smoke just flies in and out

yeah

[digital dirge]

I don't think so since they are inside the case?

[sterile flame]

I was more concerned about not having enough air in the case

[sudden torrent]

If it was enough air before then it's enough air now

[sterile flame]

yeah but there are gaps beneath the gpu

and with my smoke test

[digital dirge]

Are you pushing air towards the gpu or pulling air away?

[sterile flame]

with fans at 100% smoke was flying all over the place

towards the gpu

[digital dirge]

More intake would be positive pressure

[sterile flame]

yep

at idle it's pretty stong positive airflow

but once those fans get to 100% idek

(GPU fans)

[sudden torrent]

Looks like the T30 will draw about 0.36A at 3000 rpm, or 0.13A at 2000

[digital dirge]

If they aren't against the bottom of the case, they probably aren't pulling any air from outside the case.

Not substantially anyways

[sterile flame]

is 3000rpm a concern for the GPU header?

bc I wanted to run that for benchmarking

[sudden torrent]

Depends on how much the stock fans run

0.36A is a lot for a case fan though, P12 uses 0.11A at 2300 RPM

[sterile flame]

danm

[sudden torrent]

Most motherboard headers are rated at 1A so you could only comfortably run 2 of those T30s without worrying about blowing up the header at max

[sterile flame]

woah that's rough

[sudden torrent]

Whereas you can daisy chain 8 P12 fans no sweat lol

[sterile flame]

yeah lol

alright I'll try that custom fan software

[digital dirge]

Sata powered fan hubs are great too.

[sterile flame]

I'm only running 2 for the time being

[digital dirge]

Especially for argb. I have 12 fans on one header

[sterile flame]

lol

My ARGB fans basically do nothing

I have 2 on my push-pulll rad just to fill in the space

[digital dirge]

Ah.

I bought argb fans to have a green/purple theme.. then all of a sudden I got a white case so white became priority.

[sudden torrent]

That's what's nice about RGB in general

Remember when your only choices were blue or red? I do

[digital dirge]

The last time I had a pc.. I don't think there were colored lights.

When the psu was up top. And I don't remember cpus having a fan.

[sudden torrent]

Really? Was that more than 15 years ago?

And even my Windows 98 PC had a CPU fan

[digital dirge]

It's been so long. I'm most likely remembering wrong.

[digital dirge]

Hm.. uh. I'm tired. Let me to math.

[digital dirge]

13 years ago.

[sudden torrent]

Ok, the light up fans got popular around Windows 7 era but they were around before that. I had a phenom PC that came with 2 blue fans.

(side note, I still have those fans, the LEDs diffuse really well on the clear plastic blades)

[digital dirge]

All my windows experience is windows xp and early vista? I used windows 7 here and there at the library to print stuff I needed. I lived with a family whose parents owned a pc repair shop, but idr ever seeing anything with lights.

[potent fiber]

Or green*. My dad had green led fans in 1 of his older pcs.

[sterile flame]

you've got no idea what you're talking about

[lavish tundra]

im pretty sure hes the alt of a guy who got banned a while back, ive reported

[lavish tundra]

damn bro u know a village?

Im proud of you!

Now learn about cities next!

[sterile flame]

[lavish tundra]

ok blessed beams

ok

ur friend who is a village?

[sterile flame]

where's his score?

[lavish tundra]

or your friend who is the field of grass?

which friend we talkin bout

Ok so in calling avionix derogatory terms, you made a grammatical error. Please use proper grammar to call people names on the internet, thanks.
"Point is. Benchmarks and fps..." is wrong.
"Point is, Benchmarks and fps..." is correct.
Next time you talk down to someone please don't make a fool of yourself. Commas and full stops are not interchangeable.

[sterile flame]

if you're talking about performance then numbers is the way you measure it. Your point about how you feel playing a game bc you believe that nvidia "feels" better is invalid as doesnt quantify the performance of the gpu

[lavish tundra]

sounds like your friend is that village going from his sense of logic

[digital dirge]

Same as you dear.

Don't really care. Don't know you. so.. You're a nobody.

[lavish tundra]

If you look on the right side of the screen, you will see me among the techies. If it wasnt obvious from the name techie, its a tank given to people who know tech.

[digital dirge]

imagine thinking you are somebody because you know pro gamers.

[lavish tundra]

I expected as much. Hence the explanation :)

[digital dirge]

LOL I make money with hard work. Not sitting on my fat a$$ eating cheetoh puffs all day touching a keyboard.

[sterile flame]

Well what do you need overall performance for? Explain to me what the difference between CUDA cores and stream processors are and why you prefer to pay double the price for gaming applications.

[lavish tundra]

Oh im sorry i forgot to ask if you were comfortable reading english... its a hard language and not for everyone... how rude of me

well you got my height right! Good for you!

[digital dirge]

Why are you projecting your insecurities on people?

oh you're a roid rager! I get it now!~

get out of here loser.

you are not wrong.

[sterile flame]

I've yet to meet anyone that's in-shape and has a well off career who uses their self-worth to insult random people online

[digital dirge]

I do have a family and I WORK 7 days a week.. soo see ya

[sterile flame]

Alright bet

[potent fiber]

Finally. Pro tip: just don't respond. Clogging up OC thread w/ bs, lol.

[sterile flame]

lol

he didnt say a word

[digital dirge]

I couldn't help it.

[sterile flame]

lol yeah

its fun to have a bit of conflict

[digital dirge]

He insulted my Avionix.

[zenith palm]

Be banned

[sterile flame]

sorry dude

I took it personally

anyways

repadded and pasted my GPU today

[digital dirge]

better temps to to oc with? I can't tell pic is blurry on my end

[sterile flame]

pulling 400W worth of power with a hotspot of 90C

[sterile flame]

yeah

it dropped by 20C

[digital dirge]

oh jeezae

[sterile flame]

the pads on my VRMs were too thick causing the PCB to bend upwards

[digital dirge]

oh

[sterile flame]

My guess is that the bend was creating an airgap between the die and coldplate which resulted in temps at around 110C when pulling 400W

feels kinda bad knowing I downgraded my GPU for a while

but all is good now and that issue is resolved

[digital dirge]

aren't gpus bad to get above 80c?

[lavish tundra]

i concur how dare he

[digital dirge]

Wish I could overclock this download.

80mbps is just not cuttin it for me. I don't want to wait another 40 minutes to play this game.

and getting to this stupid chunk of chocolate in my ice cream is taking forever.

@potent fiber looked like you were writing a novel, but nothing came up... what is ok temps for a gpu then?

like for a gaming binge session of say... 24 hours.

or maybe 2 weeks of my vaca.

Success! I got to the chocolate.

[potent fiber]

I just aim for 90max on hotspot & 75 on core. Not a big deal. I was just gonna mention how temp is apart of boosting and max/average clock so might lose 50ish mhz from 70c to 80c depending on the gpu.

[kind walrus]

For AMD the boost works using the hotspot which on RDNA 2 is limited to 110C

At least I think that's right

I've been learning with Avi the last few weeks lol

So gaining 20C hotspot headroom is really good

Even the stock paste wasn't close to that

[digital dirge]

my hotspot is 10c hotter than my core

so I should be looking out for my hotspot when ocing?

[kind walrus]

Oh yeah, the spread of temp isn't good

But the repaste was worth

[digital dirge]

so hotspot doesn't matter?

just watch my normal temps then

[kind walrus]

This is just for benching

Yeah

[digital dirge]

I just wanna make sure because I don't want to ruin a brand new 4090 by ignorance.

[kind walrus]

Nvidia is a bit different lol

[digital dirge]

hm?

[kind walrus]

On that note looking forward to even maintaining 600W on air let alone hotspots lol

[digital dirge]

40 series should drop right around 13th gen so I will be picking up a 12900k and then custom looping so we'll see how it goes.

I totally meant 13900k lol

[potent fiber]

Stock 4090 is likely 450w, or the 4080 ti might be. Idk, just have heard the 600w statement might be bs.

[digital dirge]

I mean.. it kinda does sound sus

[kind walrus]

Of course, remains to be seen

Kopite weaved this whole web himself really with twitter

[ruby summit]

Ad102 is specced for 800w tho iirc

So that's not super supportive of 4090 stock being 450w

I bet it's gonna be higher

[dark ferry]

Soon our PSUs will be as big as the pc itself.

[idle sierra]

soon our psus will be as big as your mom

[cold jolt]

impossible

[mental turret]

factual statement

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent https://www.3dmark.com/spy/28916445

that's with the new coolers

I think I've literally hit the silicone limit on this card

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/28475789

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/28515273

hotspot at 1.2V

at this point the best thing to do is install a separate benchmarking OS and eliminate the random background processes i cant shut down

[proven canopy]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/04voq5wdbnu6wlq/21h2forks1.0.iso?dl=0

You're using morepowertool, right?

[digital dirge]

What's this?

[zenith palm]

bench os forks edition

[static oasis]

What card?

[sudden torrent]

6900 XT

[static oasis]

AMD usually get even hotter on the hotspot right?

120? 🥵

[sterile flame]

yep

[sterile flame]

not 120

110C is when it'll shut down if you keep it at that for too long

[static oasis]

Wasn't it 125?

[sterile flame]

110C is the danger zone

[static oasis]

Oh, have you changed thermal paste/ applied thermal pads?

[sterile flame]

yep

[static oasis]

Uuuh...

Undervolt?

[sterile flame]

that has nerfed my scores

[static oasis]

Even a light one

Like 70+MHz on the curve

[sterile flame]

yep

[static oasis]

Jeez

[sterile flame]

I'm literally at my silicone limits rn

[static oasis]

Tha usb port hhehe

[static oasis]

Blast fans

[sterile flame]

you think I havent done that yet?

[frigid cedar]

What's your current frequency going for 2.7?

[static oasis]

Overvolt fans 🥶

[sterile flame]

2.7GHz in wattman?

[frigid cedar]

That's about the best I've seen for 6900 xt

[static oasis]

Ok now bye, Imma sleep

[sterile flame]

2.638GHz

[sterile flame]

depends what card you get

there's artifacting in GPU test 2 tho

[frigid cedar]

Well yeah of course but sounds to me like yours is binned pretty decent so Def keep tweaking it

[kind walrus]

It's very good for XTX yeah

[frigid cedar]

Amd definitely has my wallet I'm dumb enough to want to buy the refresh

[kind walrus]

I think the 6900XT OCF is still worth it even with the refresh

Granted the refresh gets better control tho

[frigid cedar]

I'm sure the cost saving Definitely beats 2 gbps of vram

[kind walrus]

Ye

[frigid cedar]

Especially if you can 2150 with fast timings then why waste a couple hundred for non msrp

[sterile flame]

you tune your vram?

[frigid cedar]

I try but have hit or miss luck

[sterile flame]

lol

is there even a program that tests for vram errors

[frigid cedar]

I've gotten a rx 560 with adjustable memory controller voltage from 1750 to 2000 by just slapping it to 1.1v from 950mv

[sterile flame]

bc that seems like a silent killer

oh no wonder why

[frigid cedar]

But my rx 5700 xt can't do 50mhz more

1800 is completely unstable

(For me)

[sterile flame]

too hot?

[frigid cedar]

Just that awfully binned

[sterile flame]

lol

[frigid cedar]

And no voltage control for the controller if other cards then msi 5700 have that

So yeah definitely think tuning vram is worth it but completely a coin flip for my luck

[potent fiber]

Yea, Unigine Superposition then you lower clock back down when performance stops jumping up. Srsly, perhaps occt had a mode for vram but I think it just had a general gpu stresstest

[frigid cedar]

Would second that synthetics that will fully stress it are real showy so too high will artifact and way too high will fail

Funniest thing I've ever heard was someone trying to explain to me I shouldn't stress a gpu to its max for overclocking and that I'll get a higher oc if I just go for game testing

Like no I want my gpu stable at its peak!

Who in their right mind would recommend overclocking to the point you can't run synthetics to get the most fps in a game

[potent fiber]

Also "test" in the games you play so it's legit stable, and don't use furmark.

[frigid cedar]

Had issues with that alot in maxwell

Vram stability was different game to game

Oh and for anyone who's seen my ramblings of a mad man relearning how ram works I removed and resocketed my ram this morning and finally got 6000mhz working again (imagine being a moron like me and looking at perfectly functional ddr5 6000mhz cl36 1T and thinking I need more)

Note to self don't change subtimings without planning to f up your training

[sterile flame]

I have modified my 5700xt @frigid cedar

Copper shims to replace pads.

[frigid cedar]

I was just about to ask if it was cap mods or bios mods but I have heard some great things about copper and paste for gddr6

[sterile flame]

The bios mod if good if you can get that thermal on the core down.

and its actually quite easy (the mod)

however if you can afford the 60$(ish) waterblock thats made for your card... that is what i would do.

[frigid cedar]

See that's my issue

I'm an ekwb shill and and don't like alphacool but ekwb doesn't make an msi rx 5700 xt gaming x

[sudden torrent]

Copper replacements you need to be careful with since A) it conducts electricity and B) if you get the wrong size you'll have bad contact

[sterile flame]

its hard to f up a water block

yes the copper conducts. lay some 'captain tape'

[frigid cedar]

It's a partial cover block I'd only use the hundred or so for a full cover block

[sudden torrent]

I assume you mean Kapton lol

[sterile flame]

' '

🙂

[frigid cedar]

I like to cover vram, vrm and core and I've noticed some cheaper blocks miss vrm or are even simpler universal just cores

I've considered swapping my custom card for someone's reference just to watercool it without spending much of anything

[sterile flame]

depends on how deep you wanna go.

you can 3d print a bracket and use a CPU AIO

just then thermal glue on tiny heat sinks

[frigid cedar]

I was just about to mention that if I were to just use an aio nzxt kraken at least have a fan for the rest

[sterile flame]

ya

glue is like 5-7

sinks are 10 for a mess of 10+

Then i would just blow a 120 on it

across the ram vrm

[frigid cedar]

And I've seen cheap copper heatsinks absolutely trash a backplate in cooling

[sterile flame]

just molded copper

ironic

I never liked GPU coolers.

[frigid cedar]

Me neither

Some of these massive coolers look kinda nice now but seeing coolant through a clear block or having an aio cool the die to 30-50° is just the most efficient way

[sterile flame]

well...

Theres even deeper.

do you know what a [heat pump] in physics is?

[frigid cedar]

A heat pump my goodness that's a bit too far for me

You could certainly hook a chiller up to it I've considered it but then I usually decide that feels overkill

[sterile flame]

Well - its the technology thats in those tiny fridges.

putting power through this square plate thing: One side gets hot, the otherside gets ice cold.

[sudden torrent]

Isn't that a TEC

[frigid cedar]

Yeah the peltier effect

[sterile flame]

Peltier Thermalelectric cooler "tec module"

[frigid cedar]

Unfortunately my z690 doesn't have lga 1200 mounting so I'm praying for a 3rd gen lga 1700 tec

[sterile flame]

eh?

[frigid cedar]

Ekwb and cooler master have watercooled tec blocks

[sudden torrent]

As far as I've seen those aren't too efficient once you overload the capacity of the module, which a GPU totally will

[frigid cedar]

Yeah the blocks draw like 200+ watts to function and a 400 watt gpu would destroy it

[sterile flame]

Oh - see. yeah you have to add a aux potentiometer off of the fan controller.

so it treats it like a fan (dc)

but theres... lets see which modules i use.

[sudden torrent]

That would be possible to do

[frigid cedar]

I believe the cooler master block uses a 6 pin eps but not the ekwb

[sudden torrent]

But doesn't solve the problem of overloading the capacity under full load

[sterile flame]

TEC1-12706

Ive not had an overloading problem.

I have had a condensation problem.

[sudden torrent]

Used with what exactly

[sterile flame]

That was on a gtx 1060 6g

[frigid cedar]

Understandable unregulated they can go below 0

[sudden torrent]

Ah yeah that won't come close to maxing it

[frigid cedar]

Intels xtu tec is like 5 degrees above ambient in regulated mode

[sterile flame]

The way the science works is the amount of power going through it will carry away the heat. (more or less)

Now you can get beefier tecs.

[sudden torrent]

That's an oversimplified answer but essentially yes

[sterile flame]

Yes. However the temperatures that the hot side works in actually has an advantage.

because [hotter] moves to [hot] better than [Hot] to [cold]

rather [hotter] to [cold] in this case

which is kinda how a copper heat pipe works. that transition.

but this is getting into theory-science.

fun to play with but... well you have to really work to make it practical

[sudden torrent]

Applied physics can be fun yeah

[sterile flame]

a peltier cascade is the optimal solution - but im not actually sure how regulate those 2 modules.

I know the power for each differs.. but no idea what would impliment it

[sudden torrent]

A lot of the time you'll see hybrid solutions like that yeah.
But you're right, basically nothing would exceed the capacity of a cascade cooler alone so no practical need for the TEC on it too.

[sterile flame]

surely someone has made a freon cooler... how is that not a thing.

[sudden torrent]

They have

Just not commercially

[sterile flame]

figured that.

a pity

anyways the copper shim mod is the bottom line.

[sudden torrent]

There's some pics in the pins you might be interested in

[sterile flame]

thats pretty extreme

air conditioner repurposed.

well done

[proven canopy]

Check the pictures of phase builds in the pins haha

[sterile flame]

yeah im looking at en.,

[proven canopy]

You cooled a 1060 with a single 12706? How?

Even a much larger 250w TEC would struggle with that

[sterile flame]

It was an experiment we did at work.

CPR "cell phone repair"

We only ran it for like an hour.

so im not certain on how stable it was.

I got it to play starcraft.

[signal belfry]

amd cards hotspots are usually high

[potent fiber]

Yea because sometimes their hotspot actually refers to vram.

[sterile flame]

thats for nvidia

oh wait

nvm im thinking about nvidia junction temps

[potent fiber]

Actually I might've been thinking of junction temps. AMD just has to be weird w/ certain things.

[barren ridge]

amd does the similar thing too

[signal belfry]

Even if it did amd uses gddr6 so it wouldn’t be that hot

[proven canopy]

I could see a very powerful tec + robust chiller/water loop being maybe useful for sub-ambient single thread stuff benching like 32m, definitely not happening for multi core

If you cascade TECs, you need 3x+ capacity with each tier, and a copper busbar or similar to transfer heat off the hot side of the coldest stage to the next

[sterile flame]

@proven canopy You were right about the tec I said I used. I had those in my desk and i forgot i ordered 2 sets. It was not the one i used on that GTX 1060

also youve inspired me to rerun the experiment.

[rustic vigil]

I have no clue on what overclocking is ol

Lol*

[proven canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610602203849162772/695876392868380673/image_id_1256638.jpeg

[mental turret]

dang i cant upload images

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent

I don't think I even need to explain this

||I added more thermal paste and mounted it correctly||

[sudden torrent]

That temp delta tho

[sterile flame]

[sterile flame]

is it a bad thing?>

bc ik "current temperature" is the edge of the chip for AMD

[sudden torrent]

It's definitely not good, I recommend a remount. Even if you did it right it can go wrong.

[sterile flame]

ahhhh I see

so a temperature delta of no more than 10C is acceptable

also

[sterile flame]

can you respread the thermal paste?

[sudden torrent]

You can but you'll probably need some more, since it'll squeeze it right off the die

[sterile flame]

mhmm

i see the problem on the left side

[sudden torrent]

You can totally see the problem area yep

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent good spread?

[sudden torrent]

Looks fine

[sterile flame]

should I thermal paste the memory chips?@sudden torrent

[sudden torrent]

No

GDDR6 doesn't get as hot as 6X so the default pads should be fine

[sterile flame]

one of my friends suggested that it was the pads that might be the cause of the uneven mount

[potent fiber]

If too thick/thin, yes perhaps.

[sterile flame]

I have a feeling

its the springs on my screws getting jammed

bc some have less rotations than others

[digital dirge]

Just so I know... was it a bad mounting? Not enough pressure on the left side?

[sudden torrent]

Seems that way based on the spread

[digital dirge]

Ok. I figured that's what I was looking at, but I'm not experienced so that's why I wanted to make sure.

[sudden torrent]

Yep, when you have a pattern like that where one side is almost clean and the other has a thick layer, usually the mount is the issue.

[digital dirge]

Is that what's labeled as hotspot?

[digital dirge]

Gotcha ok

[sudden torrent]

AMD calls it Junction, and the delta I refer to is the difference between the edge "current" temp and the center "junction" temp

[digital dirge]

Oh ok

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent how long can kryonaut be left out for before it's too dry to use

[sudden torrent]

When it no longer flows easily and becomes hard

Exact timing varies but it's a long time

Keep in mind all those coolers that have preapplied thermal paste, that are potentially sitting on the shelf for a year or more

[sterile flame]

fml

I think I need an entire truckload of copium

[mental turret]

the 1660v3 in my daily lol

ive gotta tweak it some, i was lazy with the OC settings

[sterile flame]

these arent settings

this is repaste and remount

also its a gpu

[mental turret]

my point was my temperature and power draw are like that because of my settings

[sudden torrent]

Casual 340W on a CPU

[sterile flame]

Well I'm pushing my gpu to it's absolute max settings on air

And it's looking horrible

@sudden torrent I think at this point

[left blade]

Avionix#4365 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sterile flame]

My card just has a very bad mounting design

[sudden torrent]

That's entirely possible. You mentioned some trouble with springs and those can be really tricky.

[sterile flame]

I've mounted without thermal pads

with thermal pads

[sudden torrent]

Sometimes you need to have them perfectly centered on the hole just to get the shroud to line up right

[sterile flame]

adjusted whatever this monstrosity is

[sudden torrent]

There's always die lapping

[sterile flame]

uncentered thermalpad

[sterile flame]

I even thought of coldplate lapping

[left blade]

Avionix#4365 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sterile flame]

it bends even when no pads are on there

[sudden torrent]

That's a major problem with these large GPU dies, it's REALLY hard to get things properly lined up and even pressure.

[sterile flame]

mhmm

I'm just gonna try to get back the result I showed you ig

intially

[sudden torrent]

Too much torque and the center comes up on a large plate like that, too little and it's not transferring enough heat.

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[sterile flame]

yeah

table flip moment

3 tubes of kryonaut to see if I was dumb or not

[sudden torrent]

[sterile flame]

and also this thing

[mental turret]

The 360clc I benched with could handle it no problem, but my daily uses a 240clc lol

[sudden torrent]

No fan swap I'm guessing. Workstation CPUs love 3k+ RPM fans after all.

The memory fan that came with my Z420 hits 6k for some reason

[kind walrus]

I think the weirdest part was that centering this pad actually increased the delta by 2-3C

[sterile flame]

4C

[kind walrus]

It's been a consistent 38C delta then that simple change

But now the core is slightly better overall like what

Lmao

[sterile flame]

gigabyte cucked me

without my consent

[sudden torrent]

If it's consistently that one side of the die that is getting all the contact you can lap the die a bit focusing a little more on the high side

[mental turret]

No... it's because it's a 240mm rad lol

[static oasis]

@mental turret were you able to make the motherboard work or was it just dead?

[mental turret]

Yea I got lots of help in the hwbot server

I put this together as well so here take a look
https://imgur.com/a/3OJtHaU @static oasis

didnt end well though lol

[fathom harness]

That mobo looks nice

[mental turret]

But I should be able to get it fixed by someone who has the equipment

yea its a pretty nice board besides the shoddy msi engineering

despite it being from like 2016, it still has pretty modern features

it feels weird to say that something from 2016 is old....

[static oasis]

Literally you get power almost everywhere but those little spots just don't make it work
Sad

[mental turret]

nah, read the rest of the imgur post

[static oasis]

Oh
Thought it ended there lol

Damn
Not the Corsair 850

😐 bruh

[mental turret]

yea.. 💀

[mental turret]

@sudden torrent apparently one of my radiator fans was disconnected the whole time lmao

[sterile flame]

rip ram

[lethal root]

your clueless about overclocking

[kind walrus]

Hello bob ross

Would you add a little more yellow to that blue?

[sudden torrent]

They know enough to do some stuff while being guided but that's a bit rude and unhelpful

[lethal root]

Yeah definitley.

[kind walrus]

*definitely

And definitely rude

[lethal root]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-painting-bo-bross-gif-4988743

https://tenor.com/view/nick-miller-uncomfortable-gif-5722892

[mental turret]

thats not helpful at all

[lethal root]

My gpu is already oc

[mental turret]

and?

[lethal root]

I’m just saying

[kind walrus]

You're not really saying anything actually

[lethal root]

yeah I’m texting

[kind walrus]

Texting what tho, you could try a bit harder here

[lethal root]

You seem mad?

And why are we off topic?

[mental turret]

ill get us back on topic:

dead x79 motherboard

gonna use this for benching after i fix it

well, maybe

i kinda doubt its better than my e-ws

[kind walrus]

I love the chipset cover

[lethal root]

My motherboard is 5 years old

[mental turret]

ikr

this board is from 2012 iirc

i keep forgetting which x79 boards are sandybridge or ivybridge era

[kind walrus]

I've wanted to dabble in intel hedt a couple times tbh

[mental turret]

its definitely worth it

[sudden torrent]

They're really fun

[mental turret]

If you want to start with something cheap that has a lot of experimentation value, you could start with X58 stuff

though x58 is pretty much useless outside of just for overclocking's sake, besides light home server use or whatever

[kind walrus]

Ooo 980x

[lethal root]

I have a strix b550

[sudden torrent]

That's not 5 years old but ok

[mental turret]

i had a b450 strix

and 3900X

then i traded it for something

[lethal root]

No I said meant to said I got it upgraded

I’m gonna go to sleep

[sterile flame]

@mental turret did you lap that cpu yourself?

[mental turret]

Yea

same chip

[sterile flame]

danm

how much time did it take you to get down to the copper?

[mental turret]

a few hours

[sterile flame]

good stuff and whats the temp difference between that and stock?

[mental turret]

for this chip it was pretty minor. a few degrees at best, and thats just a guess. I only lapped it since i was gonna put it under dry ice anyway and wanted the best possible results

[sterile flame]

Ahh fair enough

[sterile flame]

@zenith palm

whats a good frequency for this VCCSA

I dont think its gonna go over 1V so what's the best OC for rev E?

[zenith palm]

I've hardly ram oc'd on intel wouldn't be able to tell ya tbh

[sterile flame]

fair enough lol

[lethal root]

Can you overclock a intel i7

[digital dirge]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[digital dirge]

Depends what sku

[sudden torrent]

If the CPU name ends in a K yes, but if not you can usually still use the base clock to get a few % more out of it

[zenith palm]

Also needs to be on a Z motherboard

[lethal root]

Yes it ends with a k

But is it dangerous?

[sudden torrent]

If you do it wrong it can be

[lethal root]

What’s the benefits of over locking

Or should I not do it at all

[zenith palm]

Better performance

[lethal root]

Or should I just overclocking my gpu

[sudden torrent]

Depending on the game you could get more fps or better 1% lows

[lethal root]

My lows are usually 120

[sudden torrent]

Not by much these days but an average person could get about 5% more

[lethal root]

I have a gtx 1080 to founders edition

[lethal root]

Ti

[sudden torrent]

Of course that 5% will cost about 10-15% more power and increase your temps about 8 degrees

[lethal root]

My power supply is 950 watts is it worth it?

[zenith palm]

Power isn't really a problem for you then

[lethal root]

How can I tell how much to overclock it

[zenith palm]

You don't, you just need to guess a bit and stress test

[mental turret]

😢

[clever epoch]

Hey so, technically wrong channel to ask but I'm sure OC guys have more experience with this.

I have a friend with a EVGA Supernova G3 750, and he just got a GPU that needs 3x8pin, up from 2x8pin before.

But unfortunately his wife threw away his spare PSU cables.

He has a PC parts store he can go to, but I know that you can't just grab a random PSU to PCIE 8 pin connector, because the wires could be arranged differently, but is there any way you can reliably tell that a cable will work?

EG are all the EVGA cables wired the same (past year 2020 or so)? Or will he have to make sure to get cables from the same exact model?

[sudden torrent]

Here's the note on that model in the tier list, DO NOT USE THE PIGTAIL CONNECTOR

[potent fiber]

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=W001-00-000147

[sudden torrent]

20+ Gauge wires is kinda scary for a high power GPU

[potent fiber]

Yeah it's got plenty of ports anyways. Image on evga.com is messed up, but cables are ez to find since we can use 1 that's compat w/ quite a few other models as the compat lists say

[clever epoch]

So then I guess this means that all the EVGA PCIE cables should be wired the same and should work

[sudden torrent]

Mostly yes

[potent fiber]

pretty much, it's the psu ports that sometimes (often) differ. Part of the compat list for instance. G3 was A-tier at once time btw, solid psu overall. Obviously they just pre-date 30 series and they're not the best pick for the highest 30 series, although there's always an UnderVolt to try. -- I actually have a 650w G3 myself for now, w/ a G+ (aka G1 or G1+) as backup.

[clever epoch]

Neat, thanks

[clever epoch]

Also the cables he has doesn't have pigtails anyways, so not an issue.

[tall pelican]

Worse case, get a dmm and check voltage if he's not certain

[proven canopy]

Use this list https://cablemod.com/compatibility/

[zenith palm]

Xfx make psu's?

[digital dirge]

Wish I had gotten a different a tier psu . Cablemod doesn't have mine listed so I can't get custom cables from them

[sudden torrent]

That's why I love my RMx

[zenith palm]

Your wallet thanks you

[mental turret]

im getting mine replaced hopefully

[clever epoch]

Yeah he doesn't have a DMM (and I'm an international border away ATM) so I was hoping for a shortcut

[clever epoch]

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks

[static oasis]

I'd like to understand this guide a bit better with your help, since I want to oc my vengeance rgb pro 3200 to something similar. What are (summarised) the many different things he change into bios? Like... why those voltages? Why those timings? What do they do?
Can I run the same setup or will it be different depending on the overall configuration, for example: I have 3600x and b550 gaming plus. He has 5600x and another mobo (MSI meg)
https://youtu.be/kpXb8J6FKsk

[proven canopy]

Check the ddr4 guide in the pins

[sudden torrent]

I'm calling BS on that video, he only got it that high by pure luck.
The version number shows 4Gb CJR, which is possible to get to higher speeds but that's such a garbage binned stick.
It's unlikely that you'll be able to replicate the video. What version number do your sticks show? That'll tell you what die it is and in turn what the overclocking potential is.

[static oasis]

Idk, I'll install the programs he used and Chech my ram specs

[sudden torrent]

The version number is physically on the sticks

Thaiphoon only guesses

[zenith palm]

Probably the just posted with 3800 16-26-26

[kind walrus]

Ah vengememes

[kind walrus]

I learned a thing this morning

So you also get full ram OC control if you pair a 12600K with a B660. So it's not just the extra e cores

I didn't know that until now

I've always thought it was by board not by CPU

[barren ridge]

it's two things

so ye

[sterile flame]

[kind walrus]

[kind walrus]

No, not when you've got an F

Lol

[sterile flame]

who knows what the best overclocking app is

althought it mostly done in bios

[sudden torrent]

Depends on what you're overclocking

[potent fiber]

Afterburner usually for gpu(nvidia), buos for cpu/ram.

[sterile flame]

thanks

[signal belfry]

I remember ocing that ram from 3200 to 3800 or 3733 at cl19 I think

Btw lowering voltage instead of highering might be better on those kinds of ram

[static oasis]

Yes I know but if you want a higher Freq you'll probably end up highering it because it's going to be unstable

[lavish tundra]

[static oasis]

Unless I want to undervolt ram, → completely unnecessary

[signal belfry]

It worked for me lowering it from 1.35 to 1.34

[static oasis]

WOOOW

That's nothing

Lol

I've dropped .3v on my 3600x
Helped thermals by 10C

[signal belfry]

Works differently on those dies

[lavish tundra]

Many ics have different cut off points and different oc characteristics. Quite a few ics like samsung c die degrade in perf after 1.35V or so but dont generalise. OC with the ic u have in mind.

[sudden torrent]

My C-die liked 1.38v so there can be a bit of variance too

[lavish tundra]

Yep

Mine liked 1.36

[static oasis]

I'm still trying to understand Corsair vengeance rgb die

[signal belfry]

@sudden torrent what did u oc it to?

[lavish tundra]

Thats not a die

[static oasis]

What die does it use?
B-die? C-die or whatever it is

[lavish tundra]

Depends what ur stick uses

[signal belfry]

Check the numbers on the sticker of the ram

Barcode

[lavish tundra]

All corsair vengence kits with the same xmp dont use the same die

[static oasis]

Does it change? Same ram model for everyone but the die can change?

[lavish tundra]

C die is pretty much peaked at 3600c18

[sudden torrent]

The C-die? 3200 c16 because I only had a 2700 at the time so higher frequency would probably cause unstable infinity fabric, but I did tighten other primaries and secondaries

[lavish tundra]

Yep thats why you buy a kit not 2 of the same sticks

[sudden torrent]

You can have the exact same model number and different kits can have different dies

[signal belfry]

Btw it might be a little useful to set a voltage controller for the ram and tune the secondary and primary timings

[static oasis]

But do does that change based on availability or based on what time you buy the ram

[signal belfry]

And terds if u want to

[lavish tundra]

Whatever they have on hand

[static oasis]

Ah

[lavish tundra]

...

[static oasis]

But is it a problem mixing dies

?

[lavish tundra]

Yes

[sudden torrent]

It can be

[signal belfry]

I forgot what the program is called but it can check what die u have

Typhoon something

I think

[sudden torrent]

Thaiphoon Burner, it only guesses though

[static oasis]

Yeah

[signal belfry]

DDR4 OC Guide: https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md
HCI MemTest v6.4: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/328891236918493184/646909841335648272/memtest.exe

@static oasis

Have fun reading for like 5% performance boost if your gaming on amd

[static oasis]

Yeah... I would have probably looked for a guide online but I just wanted to understand all the things the person changed on the video (the one from 3200 to 3800mhz Corsair Vengeance)

[lavish tundra]

3200c16 to 3600c18 was like 10% bump for me

[signal belfry]

Well ima kinda rusty

[lavish tundra]

Then stop watching the video

And read the guide we sent

[signal belfry]

Don’t remember the exact things anymore

[sudden torrent]

The guy got lucky with a cut down version of an actually good memory die

[lavish tundra]

That video is useless to you anyway

[signal belfry]

Btw expect to reset bios and boot crashes

[static oasis]

Yeah, I noticed, he only used some values without explaining a thing,too

[signal belfry]

And maybe even artifacting bios

[static oasis]

Ik, 3600x OC gave me some problems after 4.3GHz

[sudden torrent]

This was fun too https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/590951656305459220/988647002986389544/PXL_20220621_032929331.jpg

[static oasis]

Nice pattern

[signal belfry]

I remember my intel integrated gpu artifscted on mc before I got a gpu

I low key wanted to use the warranty bc I degraded the cpu a lil bit on accident lol

[sudden torrent]

How'd you manage that? Too much voltage?

[signal belfry]

Auto voltage at 5ghz

Asus auto voltage is on crack

[sudden torrent]

Oof

[signal belfry]

1.7v

[static oasis]

And it's still alive?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that'll do it

[static oasis]

Wow
I'm impressed

[sudden torrent]

Was that 1.7 under load or idle?

[signal belfry]

Still reaches 5ghz at 1.35v tho

Idle

[sudden torrent]

Oh well idle isn't as bad at least

[static oasis]

My cousin thought it was a good idea to put 2v through his Rx580

[signal belfry]

Ain’t there voltage restrictions on gpus

[static oasis]

MSI afterburner

[sudden torrent]

Not if you bypass them

[signal belfry]

Well idk how a rx580 pcb works, but i think there are hard limits built into them

[static oasis]

The GPU survived, I think some cores are dead (is it possible right?) Because his frequency isn't the same a before (frame rate too)

[sudden torrent]

Let me put it this way... before 6000 series AMD cards were super sketchy

[signal belfry]

Yea 5000 series cards had issues left n right

A 5700 xt gigabyte card was selling for like 300 new a month before gpu crisis

[sudden torrent]

5700 XT in particular had tons of issues before they mostly fixed with drivers

[faint tangle]

couldnt you flash 5700 to 5700xt perf?

[sudden torrent]

Dr. Lisa Su was the best thing that ever happened to AMD, change my mind

[signal belfry]

Yea

[sudden torrent]

Sort of

[signal belfry]

Intel funding amd in bankruptcy

[signal belfry]

Wait nvm idk if that’s right

[sudden torrent]

Dr. Su pulled them through that

Made the entire company change direction, focused hardcore on fixing drivers before anything else

[signal belfry]

And multicore stuff

Lisa su should make own kind of rtx and dlss

Ik they ready have one

But like more advanced then regular upscaling

[sudden torrent]

... they are

[signal belfry]

Oh

[sudden torrent]

They're currently on par with 20 series RT performance, and FSR/RSR are progressing nicely

[signal belfry]

On the 6000 series right

[sudden torrent]

Yes

Next gen is still a total mystery, barely any leaks about raytracing performance exist, let alone reliable ones

[signal belfry]

I just remembered abt intel gpus

They are non existent

[sudden torrent]

Pretty much yeah

[signal belfry]

Only exist on twitter pages

[static oasis]

Intel has never been able to make good GPUs

And we're expecting to save the market with the new ones

[signal belfry]

Well they keep on talking about a gaming gpu

For like the past 2 years

[static oasis]

Yeah... I don't think it's going to be a high end GPU

[sudden torrent]

They tried before yeah, and from what we've seen from their currently "launched" GPUs the drivers are still unusable

[static oasis]

Today we need more powerful GPUs, not high end external iGPUs

[signal belfry]

Well they’re easier to make

And sells better bc now we have to wait to buy a gpu

[static oasis]

Yep but not many people will buy those

[signal belfry]

Intel cpus new tech has gotten a lot better

Pretty sure they’d sell

[static oasis]

Yeah, they're pretty good as CPUs but iGPUs are still bad

[signal belfry]

Hopefully that 10nm gets shrunk

[static oasis]

Vega11 came out many years ago and still beats any newer intel iGPU
Vega 8 too

[sudden torrent]

The major problem I think is that they were targeting the 3080 as the highest point of performance, realistically expecting 3070 level. They're going to be made irrelevant before they ever launch.

[signal belfry]

Maybe it’s gonna be like the 5700xt going against the 1000 series

But the rumors are saying the 4060 equals the 3090

[sudden torrent]

No way in hell

4070 maybe

[signal belfry]

Yea sounds like bs

I’ll prob upgrade in like 2 or 3 generations even though I game 1080p

[sudden torrent]

4070 is expected to be 300W, pretty close to the 3090 so expecting the same level is realistic

[signal belfry]

On some pretty overkill pc parts

[lavish tundra]

Its like they showed that hiring a person who has a phd in electrical engineering from mit is more capable than a guy who had a bachelors in chemistry

I never woulda believed them

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-amazed-explosion-space-omg-gif-10279314

[static oasis]

I have 4060 smh

[signal belfry]

I have a degree in marketing make me ceo

[sudden torrent]

They already tried scouting the guy that made 486 years and years ago lol

[lavish tundra]

Ask intel they might just go for it

[signal belfry]

They did with the last ceo

[lavish tundra]

That is the guy with bachelors in chem

[signal belfry]

Oh

[lavish tundra]

Lol

[signal belfry]

Well he sure did a good job at causing chemical reactions through thermal combustion

@static oasis

I found this picture looking for another picture in my Camera roll

[static oasis]

Just a bunch of setting I don't know what are for

Except for maybe... 5 of them?

[signal belfry]

Read that guide

Btw don’t copy my settings

[static oasis]

Ik

[signal belfry]

It’s different for everybody

[static oasis]

Yep

[signal belfry]

I also use crucial ballistix, I just oced it for fun a long time ago when I was a pc nerd

[proven canopy]

ballistix these days is usually rev.e or rev.b, oc's well

[static oasis]

I want to OC to avoid ram bottlenecks since I have oc 3600x + 2080 system

[proven canopy]

3200c16 does 3800c14 dual rank no problem

[sterile flame]

is this decent for a 2080ti?

[signal belfry]

Compare with scores online

Pretty sure someone has scored on Reddit

[dull ginkgo]

bit above average but nothing special
https://www.3dmark.com/search#advanced?test=pr P&cpuId=&gpuId=1209&gpuCount=1&gpuType=ALL&deviceType=ALL&storageModel=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=overallScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

[proven canopy]

https://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_-_port_royal/rankings?hardwareTypeId=videocard_3140&cores=1

[static oasis]

Should be about 12000
I guess

[dull ginkgo]

3dmark has their own leaderboards

assuming you're stock, compare with hwbot people for oced

[sterile flame]

its a kingpin card

[proven canopy]

You beat a chilled water sub, so can't be that bad

I know AKM, and he's a very skilled bencher, so only 50 points off sounds like 10711 is a pretty good score

[signal belfry]

How many volts r u usin?

[proven canopy]

1.6 vdimm

[signal belfry]

Dang

[proven canopy]

that was not my daily

But you very well could daily 1.6v rev.e

https://hwbot.org/submission/4610527_forks_y_cruncher___pi_1b_core_i9_10920x_18sec_546ms

[signal belfry]

I had a pretty decent rev e kit

Could oc to 4000mhz cl18 1.35v from 3200 16

[proven canopy]

Just have to drop vtt a lot on rev.e, like .65 ish for 1.6 vdimm

I forget

[proven canopy]

wtr_s 2?

[signal belfry]

This was another pic I found in my camera roll

[proven canopy]

Nice tertiaries

[signal belfry]

It must’ve been like 1.475v - 1.5v

[proven canopy]

Should try some hwbot benches, dual rank rev.e is pretty decent in ycruncher

Or x265

7zip as well

[signal belfry]

I daily this at 1.4v

[sterile flame]

what aib is it

i beat my friend who has a gigabyte ref pcb 2080ti

[signal belfry]

It could do cr1 but I did t see any performance gain

[potent fiber]

Yea CR1 is afaik a bit tougher to run and the latency boost or w/e isn/t much. 4000c16 at 1.4 is pretty solid.

[signal belfry]

Iirc I got the trfc down to 540 same voltage

[proven canopy]

No idea, but I could ask

[signal belfry]

Wish I had gotten a better mb tho for overclocking ram cause z490 e is a pain in the rear to make it pass 4000mhz

[lavish tundra]

what die

[signal belfry]

Rev e

[signal belfry]

I’m pretty sure it could go near 5ghz if I had a better mobo and cpu

[proven canopy]

5ghz rev.e on intel is usually not worth it

I did 5133 valid or something, 5066 32m on rev.n (rev.b superbin) 10900k but it's not practical.

[signal belfry]

Ik there’s pretty much no performance gain but it’s pretty cool knowing u have fast ram

[sterile flame]

Big numbers feel satisfying ngl

[sudden torrent]

Big number = endorphins

[potent fiber]

Yea 10700K on a z590 mobo would probably be good for max Rev E OC. (or something like that) -- just for epeen pretty much.

[proven canopy]

4800 flat 14 b-die is meta for *lake intel benching

Or 4133 12 11 11 28 1t

https://i.imgur.com/4a84YF8.png

[sudden torrent]

Yeah b-die is insane like that

Just slap some LN2 on it and it'll take 1.8v

[signal belfry]

Not to mention it’s used for 1080p gaming with an overkill 3090

[proven canopy]

I think this is sparky https://i.imgur.com/XVnH68s.png

Just looking through my imgur folder