overclocking

[zenith palm]

Nah sometimes it just stops

As long as it doesn't error it's still valid

[sterile flame]

[sterile flame]

Ahhh I see so as long as I run 3 cycles without error then I'm good to go to the next timing?

[zenith palm]

Uh in one go without stopping yes

Ie you will want the popup saying tm5 has finished

[sterile flame]

[zenith palm]

Emote fail

[sterile flame]

yep

well at least that assures me that I can leave it for 4.5hrs without checking up on it

Also I plan on using my laptop with the backup OS on my 2nd SSD just for general use. Is it possible for me to wipe the main OS after ram tuning is done and stability is achieved and clone my backup OS over to ensure that there's no file corruption?@zenith palm

my bad for the pings

its just that I never get a reply if I dont sometimes lol

[digital dirge]

I feel ya

@zenith palm @lavish tundra

[sterile flame]

[zenith palm]

Ye i recommend just doing ram tuning on a new version of Windows instead and not touching my version of Windows as i did that once and boom windows bootloader gone

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/no-let-me-think-nope-no-way-hmm-no-gif-22904160

[sterile flame]

Welp I already nuked my previous windows yesterday from ram tuning and the backup too bc I was a dum dum and didnt understand that C drive is always the OS you boot from

but tbf

im enjoying this fresh installation of windows

[digital dirge]

Howd you nuke windows from ram tuning?

[sterile flame]

it corrupts the OS

[uneven robin]

Ok

[sterile flame]

hence why I have a backup

[digital dirge]

Not ok

[uneven robin]

Why

[digital dirge]

Why not

[uneven robin]

lol

I’m trying to overclock

[sterile flame]

welp i gotta abandon this test for the greater good

[digital dirge]

Saying a random OK is not you trying to overclock.

[sterile flame]

and ill try running it as a normie to see if that allows it to run 3 cycles without stopping

[uneven robin]

K

[sterile flame]

also correct me if im wrong but 3 cycles should take approx. 4.5hrs for 32gb right?

[digital dirge]

It was explained to me that it depends on the speed of ram

[sterile flame]

well I've already tightened the timings for them to 4/4/16

tRRDS, tRRDL, and tFAW iirc

[digital dirge]

Thats to advanced for me.

I just know the basic 4 timings lol

[digital dirge]

That all looks like to much work/time

[potent fiber]

Well this tuning, adjusting the main "4" is not. Avionix some of those seem pretty drastic changes so don't be surprised by a challenge. Trfc (560) can probably be dropped to 520ish perhaps. I was on ddr3 a long time so idk for sure.

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mother-great-argument-however-megamind-your-mom-yo-mama-gif-22994712

[zenith palm]

Unstable ram corrupts os like hell

[zenith palm]

Stuck again?

[zenith palm]

Entirely depends on speed and timings, 4.5hrs sounds pretty slow for 32gb

Tfaw makes a huge difference tho

[sterile flame]

nope someone from the PCMR said that it has breaks inbetween and he was right lok

[sterile flame]

yep I understand but I needa test this current set for stability. MemTestHelper has written that my IC can go down to 360ns so that'll be my next tweek after I've achieved stability for 3600MHz and tRRDS, tRRDL, and tFAW

[sterile flame]

I mean most of the time spent on RAM OC is literally leaving your computer to do stability testing from my observation

Just more time away from your PC and letting the mem tests do their thing

[digital dirge]

There is a program that tells you what you can get to stable??

[sterile flame]

Also yeah I lowered it but the memtesthelp said tfaw depends on the lowest value out of tRRDS/tRRDL multiplied by 4 so its the lowest I can set it already unless I can lower tRRDS/tRRDL further 👀

[sterile flame]

literally this running for 3 cycles lil

@digital dirge https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md just read this a couple times until it clicks

[zenith palm]

Pretty much

[zenith palm]

Yeah the min value of tfaw is 16

[sterile flame]

danm hahaha

so have I met the minimum standard for stability when the counter reaches 3 cycles or do I have to wait for that 3rd cycle to complete in order for it to be deemed stable?

[digital dirge]

@sterile flame this i think

[sterile flame]

yeah you right. I just looked at the cycles in the cfg file and it states 3 lol

[zenith palm]

Ye

[digital dirge]

Also, I believe someone had said they use pcbdestroyer instead of extreme1 because it tends to detect errors faster

[sterile flame]

oh?

[digital dirge]

I'll see if I can find who said it

[sterile flame]

aight

[digital dirge]

Here. Sorry mushy

[digital dirge]

Id read that whole little area. It has a lot of info about running the tests as well as what mushroom does for his ultimate stability testing.

This plus whats right above are the .cfg files

[sterile flame]

pcbdestroyer is good but running long tests is still better as you wana see if changes in heat can cause a memory error

[digital dirge]

Right which leads to what I "replied" to above

Pcbdestroyer is 7 cycles i believe

Maybe 5

Took longer than extreme iirc

[sterile flame]

I've heard that someone did 64 cycles on pcb and detected an error at 50

wouldnt have picked it up if he had ran it at 32

[digital dirge]

Idk tbh.. thats just mushies way of doing it.. which is better than any way I'd have thought of doing it lol

[sterile flame]

when the memory mangers dont start is that an error related to the ram or the application?@zenith palm

[sterile flame]

does it really mean anything if I dont run it as admin?

It keeps giving me fatal errors when I do lol

[zenith palm]

App, you'll see num of errors in the box on the right in red

[sterile flame]

yeah someone fixed the issue in the oc server

you reckon I should run a 3d stress test on my GPU using OCCT as I test tRFC in order to generate heat to see if the ram errors?

[zenith palm]

If you want to

No harm

[sterile flame]

i think my tRFC is good under no heat load

[uneven robin]

Ok

[sterile flame]

what's the average time for pcb destroyer to run through 32 cycles?

[sudden torrent]

Depends on memory size and speed, it's hard to estimate

[sterile flame]

what about for 32gb at 3600MHz with tRRD_S/L both set to 4 and tFAW at 16

[sudden torrent]

No idea. It varies too much.

[sterile flame]

fair enough

is 2hrs a sign of stability?

someone told me that shorter testing times means instability

[sudden torrent]

That depends, how stable do you need it to be? Gaming stable or server/workstation stable?

[proven canopy]

Just run it overnight

[sterile flame]

just gaming stable

i dont store anything on my OS lol

anything important that is

[sterile flame]

yeah i run pcbdestroyer128 overnight

[proven canopy]

Sure, but your time is certainly worth something

And some stable vs borderline oc isn't worth a few fps in practicality

[sterile flame]

yeah that's what I was contemplating this whole time

[sterile flame]

wdym by some stable and borderline oc?

some stable being enough stability for overclocked ram with tight timings?

[proven canopy]

Not what I meant

[sterile flame]

ahhh

so XMP vs overclocked?

[kind walrus]

Not worth the pain of stabilising I think is what's meant

[sterile flame]

ahhh fair enough

[proven canopy]

I meant might as well target something on the conservative side for a daily use case

[sterile flame]

mmm fair enough

well I am only OCing to 3600MHz

[proven canopy]

Just depends on your tolerance for reinstalling or repairing the OS

[sterile flame]

yeah makes sense 😅

is 3600 still conservative given that I have a non-K alderlake cpu?

My cpu is a 12700F

[proven canopy]

3600 mhz? ddr4 gear 1?

[sterile flame]

yep

[proven canopy]

Just depends what the cpu/board/sticks can do - find the limits, and figure out what's reliable

[sterile flame]

hmm I see

well I've been dialing in the tight numbers for my ballistix 16gb sticks on memtesthelper with no issue

ahh yes I got the rev E die

[sterile flame]

I was being pretty conservative with my tuning sticking closely to the guidelines detailed in the memtesthelper if that's a reliable source for my particular die.

[sudden torrent]

Looks like the B1 PCB too if I'm reading that right, which is great

[sterile flame]

[sterile flame]

@sudden torrent At the end of the day after tightening timings and finding stability, will raising the voltage from 1.40 to 1.45 add an additional layer of stability? Or will it completely mess up the findings and require an additional stability test.

[sudden torrent]

If it's stable at 1.4v there's no point in raising it. If anything it'll run hotter and may be less stable.

[sterile flame]

ahhh fair enough

[sudden torrent]

Especially in the case of b-die, not as much for your rev.e

[sterile flame]

yeah

it doesn't feel that hot lol but idk if fondling my ram is a good way to measure its temperature

[sterile flame]

@modern walrus

[modern walrus]

looks pretty good

[sudden torrent]

You could probably do better but that'll require more voltage. Rev.e scales pretty well with voltage.
As it is that's good for 1.4v

[modern walrus]

if you do become unstable, I'd suspect those tRDWRs being at 10

hello Mr. @sudden torrent. hope you are well

[sterile flame]

Im kinda scared of stability lol

[modern walrus]

also tWRRD_dg at 22 is pretty darn low

that's the timing I put at 28

[sterile flame]

there is better, I've seen it but I got a feeling its gonna be more unstable and haunt me for a food few months

[sudden torrent]

I'm doing pretty well, just up late preparing the next dungeon for my D&D game.

[modern walrus]

cuz it affects tWTR_S

[sterile flame]

that was still on auto lol

[modern walrus]

nice

that game is so complex lol

[modern walrus]

well damn I'm suprised it sets it that low

[sterile flame]

[sudden torrent]

And proud of it

[modern walrus]

have you set tWR?

[sterile flame]

should i start increasing the timings instead of lowering by 1?

[digital dirge]

I am too. Mtg and survival quest

[modern walrus]

what's your XMP?

[sterile flame]

nope its just a loose timing atm iirc

[modern walrus]

okay just making sure

[sudden torrent]

The most complicated part is always character creation. That's the first thing you do and it scares so many off lol.

[modern walrus]

cuz you wanna aim for like 14 or below

[sterile flame]

wow

yea isnt it like

[modern walrus]

also, that tRFC, did you set that?

[sterile flame]

nvm

[modern walrus]

I think I ran 601 on tRFC but that was at 4800c16

[sterile flame]

yep

yeah

I'm running at 3600MHz

[modern walrus]

I find that tREFI & tRFC are better set last

the guide has you do them like halfway thru

[sterile flame]

it works out to be 320ns

yeah

i was wondering why since thermals would affect it

but yeah I just set it to smth high

[modern walrus]

they're really susceptible to differences in temperatures & temps go up when you start tightening other timings

[sudden torrent]

There's my b-die with primary and secondary tuning for reference. The main differences between b-die and rev.e are going to be the primaries and tRFC.

[sterile flame]

yeah hence why i set them higher than what was recommended for rev b

[modern walrus]

so you might cheat yourself on timings that give you better performance thinking they're the culprit

oh this is rev b not e?

[sterile flame]

nope mine is rev e

[modern walrus]

damn this is super tight for rev e

[sterile flame]

fal is just giving me his sample so I can refer off of what his ones can run

[digital dirge]

Ballistix?

[modern walrus]

you're at like bdie except for SCLs lol

[sterile flame]

wait i thought you were talking about mine lol

his is rev b

[sudden torrent]

Nah that's b-die, I was pointing out the differences between them

[modern walrus]

ah okay I was talking about yours but then commented on his OC

[sterile flame]

lol all good

[modern walrus]

ah okay. if that's bdie then SCLs at 2 lol

[sterile flame]

basic ballistix

[modern walrus]

probably will need more SOC or DRAM tho

[modern walrus]

what's your XMP?

[sterile flame]

uhhhh

3200MHz

[modern walrus]

cuz my Rev E is by far the best frequency clocking RAM I have

[sterile flame]

and idk what the timing is

[modern walrus]

I got 5400 to POST on one stick

[sterile flame]

yeah I heard they can clock above 5000

[digital dirge]

Prob c16

[sterile flame]

smth around that

[sudden torrent]

Can't go higher on DRAM without active cooling, gets unstable fast. It's not the best binned b-die, SCLs won't go lower.

[modern walrus]

ya that's true

[sterile flame]

yeah that's right actually

[digital dirge]

Is probably the same as mine only i have 2x16

[modern walrus]

definitely true with bdie

a little fan goes a long way for sure

I have a DR set that I even put a waterblock on

if DIMMs hit 48C, even if running completely fine before

instant BSOD

[sudden torrent]

Yeah b-die is the only one that it makes sense to waterblock

I also don't have a temp sensor ☠️

[digital dirge]

How do you check temp? Infrared thermometer?

[modern walrus]

ya some of mine don't have one either

[sudden torrent]

I guess based on stability lol

[modern walrus]

it's annoying

[modern walrus]

what's your DRAM voltage rn?

[sterile flame]

1.4

[modern walrus]

wow I think tWTR_S isn't even a timing on 12th gen lol

[digital dirge]

I believe pato said our kit could push 1.43v

[sterile flame]

maybe

its at 0 atm lol

[modern walrus]

I mean, not that Pato is wrong--he's much smarter computer-wise than I am--but my rev E keeps scaling up to like 1.7v

[digital dirge]

I'm surprised you don't have it at 4000c16 tbh

[modern walrus]

it's one of those ymmv things

[sterile flame]

rev e can go really high

[sterile flame]

i'm VCCSA capped

[modern walrus]

well that depends

[digital dirge]

At 1.4v for me it scales up to 1.43

[modern walrus]

what timings did you set when you tried to push it higher than 3600?

[digital dirge]

Oh?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah I've seen rev.e scale up to about 1.7 doing 4800 c16

[sterile flame]

3700 and it wont work

[digital dirge]

How are you capped?

[sterile flame]

i'll just boot up and it'll give me 2666

[sudden torrent]

Gets crazy high frequencies too with looser cas

[sterile flame]

3733 doesn't post at all

[digital dirge]

Like is it a mobo thing?

[sudden torrent]

Probably the voltage

[sterile flame]

no clue

I think it's VCCSA

mine runs at 1V or smth

[digital dirge]

So you can't up your vccsa?

[sterile flame]

nope I have a non-K

[digital dirge]

Ohh

Oof.

[sudden torrent]

I'd be surprised if you could do higher than 3700 c16 at 1.4v

[sterile flame]

lol id be too

[sudden torrent]

You should be able to do up to around 4000 without messing with SA

[sterile flame]

eh

I dont wana try it lmao

[sterile flame]

sounds like more long days of stability testing

[digital dirge]

I had to mess with vccsa to get above 3600

[modern walrus]

this was stable on 5600g before I installed AMD drivers & had to share SOC voltage with igpu

[digital dirge]

It just would not post anything above that.

[sudden torrent]

On 12th gen?

[digital dirge]

Yeah

[sudden torrent]

Oof

[sterile flame]

I also tried bumping up my DRAM to 1.45V

no difference

[digital dirge]

But luckily vccsa for 12th gen is ok to go up to 1.45 daily.

[modern walrus]

I mean... ask someone familiar with 12th gen but 10th & 11th gen you can run like 1.4 for SA

ya that was conservative

[sterile flame]

yeah smth like that according to the guide

[modern walrus]

I've done 1.49 for daily lol

[sudden torrent]

GDM disabled and everything. Your fclk was stable synced like that? Nice

[sterile flame]

lol

[digital dirge]

Could push 1.5, but that seems like pushing it

[sterile flame]

I can't change it so it's not really a concern for me lmao

[modern walrus]

ya 5600g doesn't have IOD die so FCLK is amazing compared to like 5900x

[digital dirge]

Sorry lmao

[sterile flame]

eh

I cheaped out

[modern walrus]

oh so you're stuck with board's setting for SA?

[sterile flame]

I wonder if buying the K OEM would work on my B660M lmao

[sterile flame]

yep

it's locked for non-K cpus

[modern walrus]

& it won't do more than 1.2?

[sterile flame]

yep

1.1 or smth is the max it'll go

[modern walrus]

oh damn that's frustrating

[sterile flame]

yeah lol

[modern walrus]

I don't think there's an LLC for SA either lol

[sterile flame]

not sure

[modern walrus]

when you tried 3733 or 3800, did you have any timings set?

[sterile flame]

yep the loose timings

[modern walrus]

cuz tRAS is kinda crazy on Rev E

[sterile flame]

18-22-22-42 or smth

[modern walrus]

like the XMP on mine is 4400c19-19-19-46

[sterile flame]

danm

[modern walrus]

which on bdie would be like 4400c19-19-19-39

so it felt really off when I first started messing with it

[sterile flame]

ok gotta tweak now lol

time is precious in ram oc

[sudden torrent]

Yeah my XMP is really weird too. 4133 19-23-23. The only thing that gave it away as b-die is 1.45v

[sterile flame]

so just increase sg/dg?

or leave it as what it is

bc i've been testing with those values

[modern walrus]

if you wanna try higher frequency, try c19-21-21-48

[sterile flame]

eh

I think i'll pass with that one lol

[digital dirge]

Hm try c19-22-22-48

[sterile flame]

almost at the end of this oc

[digital dirge]

Mine wouldn't post below 22

[sterile flame]

well

[modern walrus]

alright well in the future if you decide to try it, just make sure your tRAS is really loose

[sterile flame]

somewhat stable

yeah

should I just leave these?

[modern walrus]

but as for now... hmm definitely tWR needs help

[sterile flame]

lol fair

[modern walrus]

those are the auto settings?

[sterile flame]

yeah

[modern walrus]

ya if the board is training those & you're passing TM5, just leave them

[sterile flame]

lock em in and lower tRDWR?

[modern walrus]

I say leave them auto & drop tWR first

[sterile flame]

alright

[modern walrus]

just so you know they're not affecting tWR

[sterile flame]

imma drop em to 12

[modern walrus]

another thing... can you get command rate 1T?

[sterile flame]

already set to that iirc

oh wait

its on 2?

strange

[digital dirge]

1t isnt as stable though rightM

?

[modern walrus]

I suspect your primaries can get a a lot tighter but best to wait until your secondaries/tertiaries are set I think

[modern walrus]

1T is usually harder to get stable for sure

especially since 2x16 sticks

forget 1T for now actually lol

[digital dirge]

Ok

[modern walrus]

on dual rank it's gonna be hard to pull off, especially since you're in gear 1

which by the way, if you set it to gear 2, you might get higher frequency easily but you're better off in gear 1 for daily

[sterile flame]

yeah I was just following the guide tweaking, testing, benchmarking as I go

[digital dirge]

Yeah someone said gear 2 is like basically running half speed or something like that.

[sterile flame]

ahhh thats what theyre for

[modern walrus]

ya you lose 1:1

MCLK runs at like 1/2 of frequency

[sterile flame]

higher freq balance out looser timings

[modern walrus]

what benchmark(s) are you running between timings changes?

[sterile flame]

IMLC

[kind walrus]

He was still board capped at 3600 gear 2. It's just a wall lol

[modern walrus]

ah okay that makes total sense then

[sterile flame]

forgot about that lol

[modern walrus]

I couldn't get 4000mhz on gear 1 earlier so I gave up & went back to gear 2 lol

[kind walrus]

I don't know what good values are for rev E but I'm pretty sure the secondaries can drop lower

You got any suggestions ggood?

[sterile flame]

needs a higher voltage

thats all

[kind walrus]

[modern walrus]

definitely tWR & try to lower tWTR_L but otherwise secondaries look pretty good

[sterile flame]

strange my asrock memcofig doesnt show 12 tWR

still on 20

[modern walrus]

you can try lower tCWL but I've also been told tCWL isn't a very important timing

[sterile flame]

and we got a no post lol

[modern walrus]

at 12?

oh wait

[sterile flame]

yep

[modern walrus]

heck I forgot

Rev E needs pretty high tWR

try 16

[kind walrus]

Ye 16

[modern walrus]

if that doesn't work, 18. if it does, you can try 14 but it probably won't let you lol

[sterile flame]

lol i was gonna try that next

[digital dirge]

On rev e?

[modern walrus]

ya rev e

I didn't try it on bdie

[digital dirge]

Hm. For me to get it to post.. 4000 18-22-22-46

[sterile flame]

trying 14

[kind walrus]

Lol

[modern walrus]

I honestly don't remember what I set it to

it was kinda like eh let me try... nvm forget it lol

I should do a comparison tho

[digital dirge]

Do it

[modern walrus]

I'm at 4600c16-17-17-37 rn on gear 2... should see if like 3933c14 or something runs better

[sterile flame]

no post at 14

[modern walrus]

ya I think 16 is probably your spot

[digital dirge]

And that is faster than 4000c18?

Even though gear 2?

[modern walrus]

tWR can do an odd number so you can try 15 but I doubt it's worth your time

[sterile flame]

[modern walrus]

tbh, I'm not exactly sure cuz I've only messed with gear 2

that's why I wanna try comparing

it's funny cuz I was complaining about my 10900K not running higher than 4200 unless I run IO over 1.35v

without realizing 11th gen doesn't like to run higher than like 4000mhz with 1:1

[sterile flame]

still shows 20

[modern walrus]

hmm I wonder why

[sterile flame]

imma try 18 lol

[modern walrus]

now it's showing a value for tWTR_S

I think ther emight be some instability somewhere

also why is tFAW at 28 now?

[sterile flame]

yeah

interesting

that might be instability then lol

[modern walrus]

tRRD_L is up to 7

[sterile flame]

lemmie try raising tWR back to 20

[modern walrus]

tFAW should be 4x tRRD_L or tRRD_S (whichever is lower)

[sterile flame]

doesnt seem like its working

[modern walrus]

do you have tWRRD_dg & tWRRD_sg set?

[sterile flame]

nope

[modern walrus]

ah okay

change tWTR_L/S back to auto & set those first

[sterile flame]

numbers are back to normal after returning tWR to 20

[modern walrus]

otherwise when you set tWTR_L/S it'll change the values for tWRRD_dg & tWRRD_sg & those can get unstable pretty easy

try 28 _dg/34 _sg

cuz look how tWTR_L/S are at 12/0

[sterile flame]

fair enough

[modern walrus]

I've had those timings mess me up countless times. I'm really surprised TM5 ran okay with 0/12 tbh

[sterile flame]

I actually manually set them lil

mustve forgotten

[modern walrus]

oh you did? see what auto does if you leave just tWRRDs set

[modern walrus]

cuz 28/34 is 4/10 on every board I've used

[sterile flame]

fair enough

I trust that

[modern walrus]

I mean maybe 12th gen is different

[sterile flame]

oh I remember now

I rushed it

[modern walrus]

I used to haaaate tWTR_L/S cuz I'd always make a mess with them lol

[kind walrus]

I like how every screenshot the gigglebit is refusing to acknowledge you've kept it at 3600MT/s when you save and exit

[sterile flame]

yep

[modern walrus]

exactly lol

[sterile flame]

I rushed it bc I just took the tight timing and set them based on what that worked out to be

[modern walrus]

rushing tWTR_L/S can be headache central

[sterile flame]

hahaha wouldve been

[modern walrus]

I've done it before where I had tWRRDs at like 22/24 & couldn't figure out why I couldn't get anything stable later

[sterile flame]

danm ahhhaa

auto is at 32/26

2 below ur 34/28 lol

[modern walrus]

ah okay so for me it's 28 for 4

but those seem way more in the ballpark

[sterile flame]

yeah

[modern walrus]

you could try dropping sg by 2 & see if 4/8 runs but it might be more of a headache than it's worth

[sterile flame]

lol

how much better is it anyways

[modern walrus]

well not at all if it's unstable obviously but it might make a tiny difference in benchmarks but not one worth dedicating more than like 20 minutes to lol

[sterile flame]

lol fair

ill keep that in mind

looks normal here

tWTR_S/L is at 4/8 tho

[modern walrus]

if you pass TM5 with that then leave it. that's definitely a normal setting for those

[sterile flame]

fair enough

[modern walrus]

I might play it too safe with tWTR just cuz I've had so many headaches from it before

[sterile flame]

full cycles for TM5?

[modern walrus]

do you have benchmate downloaded?

[sterile flame]

nope

[modern walrus]

ah okay well ya you could do TM5 or see if it'll pass ycruncher 2.5b

2.5b is one of many benchmarks in benchmate

[sterile flame]

benchmate.org?

[modern walrus]

yes

[sterile flame]

did I need the complete installation?

this is taking a while to install lol

also nothing on the progress bar

oh forgot to authenticate

[modern walrus]

I've done that a few times lol

it doesn't pop up for whatever reason

[modern walrus]

it installs a lot of crap but it's useful crap lol

[sterile flame]

my laptop ($1300 mp3 player) is covering the hotbar

[modern walrus]

lol I only use my laptop for school

[sterile flame]

yeah

im using my backup OS on my laptop

so I dont watch TM5 flicker numbers all day

i got ycruncher launched

run it?

[modern walrus]

in the little box

change the top one from 1b to 2.5b

[sterile flame]

cant delete text

[modern walrus]

there should be a drop down thing

[modern walrus]

pi-2.5b

[sterile flame]

lol

the rest on auto?

[modern walrus]

eh do

"Use Memory Mapping"

and "Task queue"

[sterile flame]

alright running

[modern walrus]

it's only like 2 minutes but if it says "coefficient error" something is unstable lol

[sterile flame]

spot check: good through 2,500,000,000

i wasnt looking at it but I dont see coefficient error

[modern walrus]

it'll stop running if you get it

so tWR won't budge?

[sterile flame]

good bc I ran it again

[sterile flame]

imma try it now

[modern walrus]

hopefully that works

[sterile flame]

it takes an awful long time to power down whenever I put in numbers that dont work lol

oh

powering on again

posted

[modern walrus]

nice

ya training can take awhile sometimes

[sterile flame]

fair enough

same difference

[modern walrus]

damn

I think there's a timing that's like PRE something

[sterile flame]

20 will do ig

PRE?

[modern walrus]

or does that control tRAS on some boards... I forget but it mentions it in the guide

like WxxPRE or something like that

[modern walrus]

oh wow I didn't realize they updated the guide

[sterile flame]

lol

[sterile flame]

yeah

hmm i see

[modern walrus]

so ya I guess set tWR to auto then control it there

[sterile flame]

32-16 = 16 rite?

[modern walrus]

32-16-4 is 12. You can try it but that might be low

[sterile flame]

lol it boots

[sterile flame]

whoops

still at 20

changed tWRPRE to 36

still no change

[modern walrus]

well what the heck

[modern walrus]

did you set tWR to auto?

[sterile flame]

[sterile flame]

yes

it just wont go below 20 for some reason

bc I dont want tWRPRE to sneak up on me at night

[modern walrus]

I really cannot make sense of that tbh

[sterile flame]

yeah

if anything I'm just treating it as instability at this point

[modern walrus]

well damn I hope not cuz you don't want instability

[sterile flame]

oh I was talking about changing those values

[modern walrus]

oh alright nvm

[modern walrus]

I still dunno why those tRDWRs are so low

lol

[sterile flame]

I set them that low lol

[modern walrus]

weren't they auto before & still that low?

[sterile flame]

10/10/14/14

[modern walrus]

I think the guide says to set them all the same

[sterile flame]

yep which is why I set them all to 10 lol

[modern walrus]

even tho you can set the "dd" one to 1

cuz you're not using 4 DIMMs

[sterile flame]

fair enough

is that what you have on your daily?

[modern walrus]

all the dds on 1?

yes

[sterile flame]

mmm alright

[modern walrus]

& all set the same besides the dds yes

[sterile flame]

what do values do you have on tRDWR?

[modern walrus]

let me check now one second

16 actually

[sterile flame]

oh

that sounds more stable lol

[modern walrus]

@hard goblet free nitro lol

[sterile flame]

imma just run a benchmark to compare performance

it night degrade it

[modern walrus]

ya for sure

[sterile flame]

having it that low

[modern walrus]

you could also leave them auto & drop tCWL by 2 to see where they go from there

[sterile flame]

is that how you find stable values for them?

267ms

doesnt look like it makes a difference having it that low lol

[modern walrus]

well not necessarily but if they're actually running that tight, you might as well go for lower tCWL

or set them all to 14 cuz that's what the dr one is set at

but the guide doesn't really explain why you set them all the same

[sterile flame]

hmm alright

yeah

[modern walrus]

or whether it's beneficial somehow

[sterile flame]

any other values I should dial in?

[modern walrus]

hmm I wonder why tWTR_S changed

can you set tREFI?

[sterile flame]

it did too

[kind walrus]

Avi

[sterile flame]

yes folic

[kind walrus]

Lol

[sterile flame]

:kek-1:

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how high

[modern walrus]

I usually write like 9999999 so it maxes out to like 65xxx but I'm not sure if that'll work at 3600

[sterile flame]

[modern walrus]

maybe try like 40k or now

[kind walrus]

I would stay conservative on trefi for daily

[kind walrus]

Ye

[modern walrus]

could try max but I kinda doubt it

[sterile flame]

mmm

[modern walrus]

usually higher tREFI is easier at higher frequency

[sterile flame]

imma see if 14 changes the tWTR_S back to 4

[modern walrus]

it would probably be tWRRD_dg to 26 that would bump it back up to 4

[sterile flame]

still at 2

[modern walrus]

hmm maybe 28 then? that's what gives me 4

[sterile flame]

ahhh fair enough

ill bump both up by 2

[modern walrus]

the only problem with bumping both is you leave it a mystery as to which one raised it

[sterile flame]

ahhh

fair

[modern walrus]

gotta isolate variables as much as possible

[sterile flame]

yeah

[modern walrus]

but then again, it may not even matter which one did it I guess

[sterile flame]

mmm

still have to raise the other right?

[modern walrus]

no you can do 4/8

as long as it passes TM5 ultimately

if TM5 errors I'd start there

[sterile flame]

oh no

raised it by 4?

[modern walrus]

lol wth I guess drop it back to 26 then?

oh & tWRRD_dr drop to 8

[sterile flame]

oh?

[modern walrus]

ya or 10 but I think 8 is fine

[sterile flame]

raised sg and it raised the other to 10

[modern walrus]

4/10 is what I typically set

[sterile flame]

fair enough

[sterile flame]

dd is just 1?

[modern walrus]

ya all dds can be 1

since you're not using 4 DIMMs

[sterile flame]

lowest is 4

[modern walrus]

weird 11th gen does that too

I have them set to 4 since lowest but really you can leave them auto cuz it doesn't make any difference

[sterile flame]

fair

[hard goblet]

did someone really tag me at overclocking lol

[sterile flame]

yes

[hard goblet]

where

[sterile flame]

there is an issue

[modern walrus]

only because there was one of those free nitro clowns

[sterile flame]

oh its gone

[hard goblet]

ow i thik someone take care of them

[modern walrus]

& because you're generally a cool person & we enjoy your company

[sterile flame]

someone came and went just like that

back to normal

but dd's are still at 7

[modern walrus]

lol your board has its own agenda

[sterile flame]

indeed it does

reverting them

tCMD 1T now?

or CR 1T?

[modern walrus]

I'd surprised if it POSTed 1T tbh

[sterile flame]

lol

[modern walrus]

since you're using dual rank

[sterile flame]

wont try that then

[modern walrus]

& you're on gear 1

but you can save your profile then try

in case CMOS fun time

[sterile flame]

ehhhh

sure

ill just poke the pins again

[modern walrus]

I think it's pretty unlikely tho lol

[kind walrus]

Just gigglebit things

Lol

[modern walrus]

lol I've had mixed results with my Gigglebyte boards

[sterile flame]

here goes nothing

[modern walrus]

Z590 Ultra generally works well except the other day when it wouldn't reset CMOS for like 3 days or POST

[sterile flame]

omg

it posted

[kind walrus]

Well that's a big up

[modern walrus]

B550 Master does well except random usb errors sometimes

& this Z590 Pro AX isn't bad but I've only used it for like 2 days now

[kind walrus]

Oh yeah but 12th gen and gigabyte is just meh *except tachyon sometimes

Luckily 12700f so doesn't really matter

[modern walrus]

I don't actively seek gb boards

[modern walrus]

just end up with them somehow lol

[sterile flame]

[modern walrus]

like B550 Master, I didn't really even want it but it was only $130 on ebay

[sterile flame]

cheap

[kind walrus]

The b550 gigabytes were really worth it tho

Still are

Aorus elite ftw

[sterile flame]

alright

should I call it a night and just leave pcbdestroyer124 to do its thing?

[modern walrus]

looks pretty good. I really with tWR would stop with this nonsense

[sterile flame]

[modern walrus]

Z590 Ultra was great when I first got it

[sterile flame]

that 20 is staring right at our souls laughing at our helpless efforts

[modern walrus]

I couldn't get 51x on 10900K with the MSI board I had before that one

[kind walrus]

I ignored z590 lol

I have a wacky good 10850k on a 490 prime

Does 5.3

[kind walrus]

[modern walrus]

I do have Gigabyte moments like this tho

[sterile flame]

should I yolo and increase tREFI?

[kind walrus]

Yes

40K it

[modern walrus]

ya tREFI helps

[sterile flame]

aight

[kind walrus]

Then run pcbdestroyer

[sterile flame]

yep

[kind walrus]

And maybe check your base benchmarks because by now you should have progress

[sterile flame]

holy

this uefi is faster now lol

[modern walrus]

lol considerable progress from your baseline for sure

[kind walrus]

Ya more faster more betterer lol

[modern walrus]

plus you can still probably get some of those primaries to drop

[sterile flame]

stable idk tho

yeah

oh no

uefi is frozen

[modern walrus]

at 3600, you should be able to get tCL 15 if not 14

try like 37750 or something then

[kind walrus]

Kek

[sterile flame]

i spoke too soon didnt i

green pixels

different languages

[modern walrus]

one time I apparently screwed up Gigabyte BIOS so bad it changed languages

[sterile flame]

[modern walrus]

lmao wow

guess that's not as uncommon as I thought

[sterile flame]

well I was running it on gear 1

and CR 1T

[kind walrus]

Try 25K

Then run pcb destroyer

If it's fine go up

[modern walrus]

another gigabyte moment

[sterile flame]

[sterile flame]

how many cycle?

im about to call it a night

gonna run big fat test

[kind walrus]

I don't have a good gauge of pcb destroyer tbh

32 is the safe answer?

[sterile flame]

32 is 2hrs

look fine

[kind walrus]

Ye just do a full cycle if you haven't at least done it with 1T yet

Then you can check your benchmarks

[modern walrus]

damn I can't find the picture of my double BSOD

oh well

[sterile flame]

1T breaks my bios lol

[sterile flame]

loll

[kind walrus]

You said it booted

[sterile flame]

yeah it booted the first time

then when I went into bios the 2nd it froze

[kind walrus]

Oh yeah there it is 2T

[sterile flame]

the 3rd there were green pixels and language swaps

[kind walrus]

I wasn't reading lol

[sterile flame]

lol allgood

[modern walrus]

ya 1T not easy

[sterile flame]

tCWL dropped to 14

[modern walrus]

maybe from RDWRs raised

[sterile flame]

seems too unstable

id only use it in timespy records lmao

[modern walrus]

well if it fails TM5 start with raising tWRRD_sg by 2

[sterile flame]

I see an anomaly

10/6

[modern walrus]

oh wait no WTRL looks okay

[sterile flame]

really?

I thought it was meant to be 8/4

[modern walrus]

if it's still on auto it might be cuz tCWL increased

decreased rather

[sterile flame]

nah its manually set

[modern walrus]

you manually set tWTR_L/S?

[sterile flame]

yep

[modern walrus]

does your board have an option for dynamic v. fixed timings?

[sterile flame]

yeah

[modern walrus]

is it on fixed or dynamic?

[sterile flame]

its in dynamic lol

fixed?

[modern walrus]

try fixed

[sterile flame]

yep

alright

nope still 10/6

[modern walrus]

try setting tWR to 18 too lol

[sterile flame]

just isolating the variables

[modern walrus]

oh does it have like mode?

eh heck what's it called

[sterile flame]

nope

realtime memory timing?

memory enhancement settings?

[modern walrus]

that's so you can change timings inside windows if you so dare

ya memory enhancement

[sterile flame]

oh nope

auto or enhanced performance

[modern walrus]

those are the only two options?

[sterile flame]

yep

[modern walrus]

try enhanced performance

is XMP enabled?

[sterile flame]

yep

[modern walrus]

okay

I think rank interleaving on auto is enabled

definitely want that with 16x2

[modern walrus]

ah okay so just go with that then

[sterile flame]

what does enhanced performance even do lol

still 10/6

gonna drop the tCWL

[modern walrus]

it may not do anything but I always enable it cuz someone told me I should lol

[sterile flame]

Lol

[modern walrus]

what does it the homepage on tweaker look like?

[sterile flame]

oh

[modern walrus]

oh not really so you can change anything I was wondering

[sterile flame]

smth like rhis

really taking a while to loosen a timing lol

booted

16/4 now

[modern walrus]

what's advanced voltage settings look like (if you happen to be there anyway)

16/4? wth lol

[sterile flame]

literally nothing

[kind walrus]

Those top 3 settings intrigue me

Bet they don't work tho

[sterile flame]

nope they dont

[kind walrus]

Lol

[sterile flame]

this board is so weird

no wonder why it was on sale for 199

reverted it to 20 btw

[modern walrus]

damn there aren't Z690s for $200?

[sterile flame]

not in Australia

[kind walrus]

AUD not USD

[sterile flame]

yeah my bad

I deal in dollary doos

[modern walrus]

lol

199 Kangaroo bucks got it

[sterile flame]

[modern walrus]

if you really wanna go down a rabbit hole, you can try to find your RTTs cuz those reduce voltage requirements

[sterile flame]

still 16/4

[modern walrus]

but it's just basically a crap shoot

[sterile flame]

maybe some other time

tREFI is back to 10400

[modern walrus]

try bumping to like 1.42v

on DRAM

if it's rev e 1.42 is nothing

[sterile flame]

omg

its all messed up

i hope I didnt break anything

[modern walrus]

it reverted to JEDEC

i.e., defaults

[sterile flame]

ahhh

fair enough

[left blade]

Avionix#4365 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[sterile flame]

ive been saving it

[modern walrus]

pain in the ass but not a huge deal

[sterile flame]

so thats why its been taking so long

[modern walrus]

no CMOS headache

[sterile flame]

clear it?

[modern walrus]

oh no

not unless it won't POST

[sterile flame]

oh I still have all my settings here

but non of them are applying lol

[modern walrus]

make sure fast boot is disabled

[sterile flame]

yeah its disabled

[modern walrus]

change auto to disable fast boot or something like that

[sterile flame]

ahhh allg

still on JEDEC

[modern walrus]

but says xmp enabled & everything like before?

[sterile flame]

yeah

[modern walrus]

maybe load optimized & boot then restart & try again

or change back to dynamic timings

[sterile flame]

load optimized and boot?

is that in the bios?

[modern walrus]

dunno why that would help but it seemed to have coincided with this

press F1

& it'll show you what different F keys do

I think it's F7

[sterile flame]

yep

[modern walrus]

ya F7

[sterile flame]

and thus

the headache begins

it didnt power down on switching from fixed to dynamic

[digital dirge]

Whatd you mess up now?

Lol

[sterile flame]

tCWL

no post too

i think ill leave that on auto for now

overclocking is like asking someone why'd you jump out of a fully functional plane

and I have a feeling I broke my most functional save

or maybe not

[kind walrus]

Try switching it off then reset cmos that way

[sterile flame]

already did

dammit

its still running JEDEC

[modern walrus]

you cleared CMOS?

[sterile flame]

yep

it didnt post when I set it to dynamic

[modern walrus]

try leaving your timings as is & lower frequency to 3200

[sterile flame]

mmm

[modern walrus]

then ramp it up from there like 3200, 3400, 3600

[sterile flame]

ok

[kind walrus]

Ye sometimes you need to train at a more stable frequency then ramp so it trains better

[digital dirge]

ggood broke it

[modern walrus]

lol ya like remind the motherboard that it has the ability

[sterile flame]

sounds like a good idea

[modern walrus]

restore its confidence

[kind walrus]

Remind it that jumping out of the plane is ok

[sterile flame]

restore the eagle's confidence in me

I think

I have to step all my timings up individually

it doesnt want to load them

nope

[kind walrus]

not even xmp?

[sterile flame]

xmp works

but this?

no

[kind walrus]

maybe try turning it off then take the battery out

[sterile flame]

wont that wipe the saves?

[kind walrus]

no

besides you have screenshots of asrock

[sterile flame]

yeah

gahhhh

its beneath the gpu

death

[kind walrus]

usually is

[sterile flame]

now its not posting lol

oh no its back on

maybe forks was right

this is pain beyond many levels

still JEDEC

[kind walrus]

xmp works tho ye?

maybe try scale up more than just frequency with each boot

[sterile flame]

alr

[kind walrus]

so timings too

[sterile flame]

its gonna be a crawl back up

innit?

[kind walrus]

indeed but it'll tell you more than just no post

[sterile flame]

yep

[kind walrus]

I wouldn't test just post and see

[sterile flame]

i was expecting it

yep

back to 3600

[modern walrus]

leave tREFI & tWTR_S/L on auto

oh nvm you got it?

[sterile flame]

ok sure

[kind walrus]

so it doesn't like something now

[sterile flame]

alright next set

its getting back there

[kind walrus]

if you get it all back just pcbdestroyer it and see if it's stable still

[sterile flame]

yeah

imma leave it over night

already 1hr overtime lol

JEDEC again

maybe I went too fast

last known good seems to work

looks like it prefers if I make no more than 4 mods in one save

otherwise it just breaks

[modern walrus]

which timing did it revert to JEDEC with?

[kind walrus]

or which 4

[modern walrus]

also, try tRTP 11 or 12

[kind walrus]

Oh I didn't think of this, if SA is autoing to 1V-ish, maybe it's not doing that anymore

that would be an interesting cope

[modern walrus]

damn imagine what H motherboards don't let you mess with

must be like laptop BIOS on those things

[sterile flame]

@modern walrus

tRFC auto goes yeet

[modern walrus]

damn it's like the board wants to run tight timings on everything but tWR

[sterile flame]