overclocking

[finite frigate]

my 280x was an unfun experience

all the downsides of a 10603 with none of the benefits performance wise

[digital dirge]

280x?

[finite frigate]

its essentialyl a 260w 1050ti

r9 280x

[digital dirge]

Oh ok

That sounds like an old card?

[finite frigate]

somewhat

[sudden torrent]

The 1060 3gb was basically the 1050 ti ti anyway

[finite frigate]

yeah

less cuda than a 1060, just barely

1063 shouldve been the 1050ti

3gb vram sounds like a pain in 2022

[sudden torrent]

I sold it at the height of the shortage so it's someone else's problem now

[finite frigate]

LOL

poor guy

[sudden torrent]

Well they're poor now

[finite frigate]

ooof ram usage goin up up up

[sudden torrent]

FS 2020 is the first game I've played that wants more than the 16gb I have, unless I turn it down.

[digital dirge]

Have you used Rawrs ram cleaner?

[sudden torrent]

Once the DLSS update drops it'll help a lot

[finite frigate]

i constantly go over 16gb

[sudden torrent]

Nah no need, I don't play it much since no flight stick

Controllers are meh

[digital dirge]

I think at most I use is 14gb. And that is with ff14/discord/like 20 chrome tabs/hwinfo/task manager/afterburner/messenger/spotify.

Maybe a couple other things.

I want to oc my ram from 3600c16 to like 4k+ though

I just have to find the time.

[sudden torrent]

Rev.E?

[digital dirge]

Yeah

[sudden torrent]

Nice, should be easy

[digital dirge]

3200 ballistix

I suck at the oc thing.

Pato suggest I pop the voltage up to like 1.5 I think.

[sudden torrent]

Should be able to do around 4000 c16 at that voltage with rev.e

[digital dirge]

Alright. I thought I saw people saying they were getting like 4.2 4.4

[sudden torrent]

Probably 16-19-19-36

[digital dirge]

That's what I'm currently getting with my 3600

[sudden torrent]

4200-4400 is possible but then you probably have to switch to gear 2

[digital dirge]

Or rather 16-19-16-36

What is the difference?

[sudden torrent]

Latency is much higher in gear 2

[lavish tundra]

wr should be able to do 12

on rev e

[finite frigate]

i run 3200 14-16-16-36 1T, i cant go any higher than 3200, no idea why, i blame IMC

[lavish tundra]

rd 19

[finite frigate]

1.22/1.2 sa/io

[sudden torrent]

On a 7700k? Yeah probably IMC

[finite frigate]

i see others with 7700ks at 4400

if i wanna use 1 dimm, i can post 3800 on my bdie

[lavish tundra]

so like 4200 16 19 12 36 @ 1.53 should be fine

[digital dirge]

I think I might need to up my sa to... 1.4?

[finite frigate]

could also be board topology

[finite frigate]

i say thats a bit high

[sudden torrent]

Bios also is a huge factor

[finite frigate]

my msi z270 tomahawk isnt exactly a high end board

[digital dirge]

Was recommended for a doable daily for 12th gen

But I'll check out 1.3 then

[finite frigate]

try 1.3 at first, 12th has real good ddr4 imc

[sudden torrent]

Try lower first, if it doesn't work bump a little at a time

[digital dirge]

Ok. I'm going to try just upping the ram voltage first though.

[finite frigate]

dont leave sa/io on auto

[digital dirge]

Then ill check out sa

Oh ok

[finite frigate]

in my case, sa/io on auto= 1.45v to both

[digital dirge]

12th gen only has sa. No io

So ill have to look for that.

Like I said haven't had to much time to really try anything. Just been gathering as much info as I can for when I do go to try it.

[digital dirge]

So, I should set my sa to.. 1.3? Or should I try 1.25 first?

[finite frigate]

set it to wahtever it is set to now

just type it in manually

instead of auto

[sudden torrent]

My stable daily. I'm really surprised the resistances like to be so low.

I can push SCLs lower when I'm benching for a small bump in perf

[finite frigate]

dont mind the mac board

[lavish tundra]

is this b die

[sudden torrent]

You said that's b-die right? Sheesh that really is rough

[finite frigate]

mixed bdie :(

rev.e + bdie

[sudden torrent]

B-die is the only one that'll get all the primaries that low

[finite frigate]

bdie kit overclocks like a champ though

[lavish tundra]

yeah was just making sure

[finite frigate]

2133 c15 to 3200 c14 with no issues

[sudden torrent]

Ahhhh actually that probably has a lot to do with it, they don't like each other much

[finite frigate]

nah, even with just one kit, i still cant post above 3200 with just 2 sticks

[lavish tundra]

my daily

[sudden torrent]

Trippy

[finite frigate]

its very sad

i blame board/imc

[sudden torrent]

Is that XMP?
WHY DID IT SET RESISTANCE SO HIGH?!?!

Man they should really be 24 ohms max at 3600 c16

Maybe 30 if you lost the silicon lottery

[lavish tundra]

for 2 of the 4 sticks

[finite frigate]

53.4 ns is pain

[lavish tundra]

but yeah resistance needs to be that high otherwise 100 errors in 1 min

[sudden torrent]

Ohhhhh 4 sticks right, that picture starts to come together

[finite frigate]

ya know what

im going to do what it takes to at least post 3600

[sudden torrent]

Take it slow, 3600 18-22-22-44 or something to start just to see if it'll post

[lavish tundra]

with slightly lower resistance

:)

this is fine

[finite frigate]

time to corrupt the bench version of windows

[sudden torrent]

That's what the bench os is for

[finite frigate]

mhm

it sits on its own 64gb sata ssd

[digital dirge]

When yall start saying stuff like this is when I start feeling like I'm gonna mess something up.

[sudden torrent]

Yeah, I've got Windows 11 on a 256gb nvme, and Windows 10 bench sharing a 240gb sata M.2 with Linux

[digital dirge]

Makes sense. Sorry didn't reply sooner. Customer came in and had to sell them a fishing permit.

[finite frigate]

time to crank my sa and io until i post

[digital dirge]

Lol

I've been on my phone so much tonight.. I've got nothing done and blown through 65% battery lol

[sudden torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-burn-it-down-herbert-garrison-south-park-s8e9-something-wall-mart-this-way-comes-gif-22284043

Answer to everything, moar volts

[finite frigate]

im at 1.22 sa and 1.2 io

[digital dirge]

Go 1.5

[finite frigate]

for now

[digital dirge]

:]

[finite frigate]

it did not like 1.24/1.2

[digital dirge]

Ok so.. I was kidding, but.

What is the sa voltage doing that it allows the ram to oc more? If ram has its own voltage setting..

[finite frigate]

io is the more voltage sensitive right?

[sudden torrent]

System agent, aka ring bus, aka uncore, aka northbridge.
It connects everything to everything.

[digital dirge]

Oh ok.

So thats why it's dangerous to even go a little to high then yeah?

Idk. I've had to much info flow into my brain tonight so now I'm starting to get fatigued

[sudden torrent]

It's not exactly "dangerous" unless you're just shoving obviously too high voltage into it like 2v, but it will stop scaling and possibly start negative scaling.

[digital dirge]

Ok. So on the subject of trying to oc my ram.. where should I start?

With the sa voltage or with ram voltage?

[sudden torrent]

Both

But you know what memory die you have already right?

[digital dirge]

Rev e

[sudden torrent]

Right right

[digital dirge]

3200c16 ballistix

[sudden torrent]

2 sticks or 4

[digital dirge]

That is currently at 1.35v 3600 16-19-16-36

2 sticks

32gb

[sudden torrent]

Ok so probably dual rank

Yeah you could just go for 1.5v memory and 1.3v SA and see if it posts

With 4000 memory

[finite frigate]

3200 ballistix kits are binned like crap

[sudden torrent]

Even crap rev.e should do that speed though

[lavish tundra]

no no they arent binned much at all

[digital dirge]

I was gonna say..

[lavish tundra]

crucial binning is a joke

[digital dirge]

I was told that they were super good

That was the whole reason I got this over a already 4000 kit.

[digital dirge]

See if it'll post with the current timings as well?

[finite frigate]

pain, i dont think 3600 is even gonna post

1.46v, 1.42 sa/io 3600 c18

[sudden torrent]

Yes, it should do 4000 16-19-19-36 at least if not your current

[finite frigate]

OKAY 3466 posted

[sudden torrent]

Small improvements are still improvements

[digital dirge]

Alright then.. I'll try that out this morning. If it posts ill run a test and take a nap or something.

[finite frigate]

1.42 sa/io is also mad high

[digital dirge]

I'm sure my gf will like this since that means I'll be awake when she gets off work.

[lavish tundra]

trcdwr one can go below 19

trcdrd wont go beloiw 19 on 3200c16 sticks

[sudden torrent]

Even good binned rev.e is hard to get that to 17

[digital dirge]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but... I'll want everything closed and not do anything on my pc when running the memtest right?

[sudden torrent]

Ideally yes

[digital dirge]

When you say.. binned.. are you saying that both sticks are part of the same "batch"?

[sudden torrent]

Binning as in the process of determining the relative quality of a given chip

[digital dirge]

Oh ok

So basically the more identical they are in quality.

I guess that is what you just said.

I tired 😫

[sudden torrent]

Good bin refers to chips that did well in testing, either getting higher frequencies or the same frequencies at lower voltages.

[digital dirge]

But I wanna oc 🐏 so bad.

[digital dirge]

I guess I didn't think that my ram was plugged into a pc before it was packaged and sent to me

[sudden torrent]

It probably wasn't, the testing equipment they use isn't exactly a PC

And the binning process takes place before the chips are placed on the PCB anyway

[digital dirge]

Oh

I'm such a noob

[sudden torrent]

That's ok, gotta start somewhere and there's TONS of information to take in

[finite frigate]

rip 3600 mhz dream

lets hope delidding magically gives me better imc

cause the cores are actually pretty good on this chip

booting into windows on 5.5 aint bad

[sterile flame]

ok so

If my voltage is 1.175V and the amperage on my gigabyte 6900XT OC is 980A (14 power phase with 70A for vcore) then would the maximum wattage on my card be 1151.5W

https://youtu.be/Azvn6H1vX28?t=1080

reference material

[zenith palm]

Trcdwr needs to be 19 to do 3600 on rev e like rawr mentioned

[sterile flame]

@proven canopy

Is this safe for a gigabyte 6900XT OC?

It has 3x 8pin connectors and I'm running an msi a1000g psu

[digital dirge]

@sudden torrent when setting the timings I have a setting that says Command Rate (Auto). Do I leave this on auto?

[digital dirge]

I can't get it to post with these timings and ram voltage set to 1.5v and vccsa set to 1.4v

I guess this is why I wanted to wait until I took my vaca

Makes me want to break out the heavy nicotine vape juice.

[digital dirge]

ok, looks like I can only get it to boot with 4000 16-22-16-36. if I drop that 22 to 21, I get hella weird boots that end up in blue screens. and anything lower won't boot.

K lots of errors right away with those timings.

[lavish tundra]

send screenshot of asrock timing configurator

[digital dirge]

Ok. Pc is restarting here

The timing configuration shows that its 16 22 22 36 though so I'm confused about the second 22

[digital dirge]

tbh.. I have no flippin clue what I'm looking at on that. I'm learning a little though... like the fact that I had to adjust timings to get a boot

@lavish tundra I'll pay you to fly to my house and overclock my whole PC to it's fullest stable... 😛

[lavish tundra]

lmfao u want sips not me

[digital dirge]

but.. but.. but..

ok 😦

[digital dirge]

What are you looking for on this?

[lavish tundra]

Im just looking for timings that look too tight

gimme a min

[digital dirge]

np

the only question I really have about it is why I set trp to 17.. but shows up as 22 in the timing configurator.

[lavish tundra]

Hmmmmm

tbh it looks aight

lots of stuff u can get a lot tighter

but yeah ask @short blade he way better at rev e than me

[short blade]

tRP and tRCD are linked on intel

whichever one set higher is the one that applies

this is not a rev. e thing

[digital dirge]

oh ok

[short blade]

just an intel thing

[lavish tundra]

Yeah but lotsa errors on this

gib opinion here

[short blade]

intel: no tRP, tRC control
amd: no tREFI control

pick your poison

[digital dirge]

I can't post at 20 tRCD and 21 posts, but bluescreens before/after login

[short blade]

the timings are super loose

probably an issue with the 4000 gear 1

what vccsa?

[digital dirge]

I have vccsa at 1.45 as recomended all over online and I have dramm set at 1.5

[short blade]

possible your chip doesn't want to do 4000 gear 1 then

[digital dirge]

lame

yet it is ok with ocing really good

pfft guess it's one or the other

[short blade]

lol, i have bottom 1% cores but decent IMC

this is my rev. e result

[digital dirge]

I guess I'll play around with 3800

[digital dirge]

what do you mean by this? like what makes them super loose?

[short blade]

well almost all of them look like auto still

[digital dirge]

thank you @lavish tundra for pining Mushy.. I'm afraid to sometimes.

[short blade]

which is good since you should be going one at a time

[digital dirge]

the only ones that aren't auto are

the 16-22-22-36

I don't know what to do with any of the other stuff

I thought to oc you only needed to mess with those 4 things and voltage

[short blade]

try tRAS 42

[digital dirge]

ok.

[short blade]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

[digital dirge]

Could my bios being stock be an issue?

that's like the first thing I just seen in that link was not having updated bios

If so which one should I go for?

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-Z690-TOMAHAWK-WIFI-DDR4/support

[short blade]

bios update usually helps more than it hurts

[lavish tundra]

latest non beta

[digital dirge]

ok

and what method should I use to install this bios?

[lavish tundra]

usb drive

update in bios

[digital dirge]

in the flash bios usb port?

or can I just have it in any usb port?

[lavish tundra]

any

[short blade]

flash bios usb port is only if you're using the flashback button

[digital dirge]

ok. do I put the zip onto the usb?
or do I extract whatever is in it to the usb?

[short blade]

for some boards you can bios update without usb

asrock allows you to use a bios file from the windows file system

some other brands might

not 100% sure who

[lavish tundra]

giga does too but so much easier to find on its own drive

[digital dirge]

and I want fat32 as the usb format?

[lavish tundra]

Yeah fat32

[short blade]

asrock just scans all drives so you don't have to find it

[digital dirge]

back to this question

[short blade]

it scans for bios files and only shows bios files it found

works well

[lavish tundra]

gigabyte does too but it lists all folders as well

[short blade]

asrock doesn't list any folders

just a list of all bios files found anywhere

[lavish tundra]

damb asrock just better?

[short blade]

i've been saying asrock has the best bios tbh

easiest bios updating

full rgb control in bios

no wacky names for everything like asus

everything else is just as competent as other brands

organization, featureset, etc

but it has those to set itself apart

[short blade]

extract the zip

[digital dirge]

ok thank you.

I appreciate you guys

I will update bios.. give the test another try and then try out the timing you said

I suck at computering.

Its a wonder I even put all the parts together and it turned on.

[short blade]

for ram overclocking you always want to do timings one at a time

so that if you get errors you know what caused them

if you get more experienced over time sometimes you can be a little looser with this rule

but for a beginner absolutely stick to changing one at a time

[digital dirge]

The error i keep getting are 4 and 6

[short blade]

what config are you running

few configs have actual error info and what error info exists is not 100% verified

[digital dirge]

Extreme

[short blade]

which is why you want to just stick to one timing at a time

[digital dirge]

Extreme1 by anta777 or whatever

[short blade]

try this one first

i like it more

seems to catch errors faster than extreme or absolut

[digital dirge]

@lavish tundra do you have a .bat that will automatically restart my pc into bios? Or at least do the same thing as shift clicking the restart button?

[lavish tundra]

1 sec i can write one real quick

[digital dirge]

Updating my bios deleted my cpu oc.. oh well lol

[short blade]

if you already know what it is it's not hard to dial back in

I write down all of my bios settings for all of my machines in my private discord

[short blade]

one channel per machine to keep it organized

[digital dirge]

Oo nice. Yeah I remember my oc

Good thing I remember my fan curves too lol

[digital dirge]

You are such a beautiful person. I don't normally get attached so quickly, but.. I love you.

[lavish tundra]

OwO

[digital dirge]

It does not seem to be working

[lavish tundra]

might need to start as admin

1 sec

there

[digital dirge]

Perfect. Thank you :P

[digital dirge]

while at 36 I got 10 errors in the first 40 seconds.. now at 42, I'm 5 min in with no errors.

[short blade]

yeah, i'm not surprised

tRAS was the only thing that looked off to me

might be able to tighten it down to like 38 later

[digital dirge]

ok so I'll let this run for however long to see if it is stable.. and then do you think I can tighten tRCD?

or is that a nogo just because it wouldn't post below 22?

or waas the tRAS maybe the cause of below 22 not working?

[zenith palm]

you have rev e right?

rev b?

[digital dirge]

yeah

rev e

3200 ballistix

[zenith palm]

2x16 or 2x8?

[digital dirge]

2x16

[zenith palm]

hopefully rev b then

[short blade]

well, it's hard to predict as 3200c16 ballistix is worse at running tight tRCD

[zenith palm]

16gb sticks of rev e meh

[short blade]

but you might be able to do 20-21 at 4000

i think people usually need 19 for 3600-3800 on those

i can run tRCD 18 at 4000

[digital dirge]

gotcha ok.

[short blade]

tRCD 22 at 4800

i can boot tRCD 20 at 4800 but it's unstable, haven't tried tRCD 21

[digital dirge]

so is 4000 16-22-22-42 worse than 3600 16-19-16-32?

[zenith palm]

its rev e and 8gb but heres a rough refrence point for you

[short blade]

no

[digital dirge]

ok cool

so I'll play around with the timings over the next few days and see where I land

should I just continue to use the .cfg you sent me or should I switch back to extreme?

[short blade]

both is ideal

for a final check i'll run all of these + hci memtest to 2000% per thread + occt avx2 1 hr + occt sse 1 hr + linpack extreme 3 hours + prime95 large ffts 1 day

while running maximum gpu load simultaneously

you don't have to be quite so extreme but that's what i do

[digital dirge]

that seems way extreme... I think I'll save that for my weekend.. as far as running prime95 for 1 day... can I just run it for the time I sleep+work and be ok?

[short blade]

yeah

[digital dirge]

I feel so much better now than earlier. Thank you so much for the help. I feel like I understand what is going on just a little more that I can start understanding even more.. if that makes sense.

also, like does this test stop by itself? and if so... how long does it take?

[short blade]

which one?

pcbdestroyer is 32 cycles

extreeme1 and absolut are 3 cycles

the ones i sent up there are modified to be longer (cycle counts in the name)

but otherwise the same

[digital dirge]

huh.. absolute I thought took like 2 hours. at least the one time I did it when checking the 3600 oc

This is the one I used

[short blade]

it depends on your ram speed and capacity

i can finish absolut in like 50 min

[sinful nymph]

hello so i have a Nvidia 2060 and i just started overclocking it and i just want to know how much is too much?

like my power limit is max core clock 105 and memory clock is 905

[sudden torrent]

When it crashes or temp hits 100C, that's too much

Every chip is different, there's no "one size fits all" overclock settings

[sinful nymph]

i get like 2100 mhz wiith those idk if thats good or not

for core clock

and for mem clock i get 7705

[sudden torrent]

That's about right for 2000 series

[sinful nymph]

oh okok thank you

[digital dirge]

Not sure how long it took because I decided to go spend a few hours with my girl, but I came back to no errors. Thank you.

[short blade]

good stuff

[uneven robin]

I have rev a

[sterile flame]

Can anyone help overclock? Sorry am a bit new to overclocking as this is a totally different card. Using rtx 3080

[digital dirge]

Msi afterburner to oc your gpu. Do you know the specific brand of your gpu? That'll help others know what information to be able to give you.

I know you were asking about overclocking your RAM as well.. it would help if you let us know what ram you have. Example: brand/how many sticks/size.

There are also good guides in the 📌 I'd suggest giving a read through. May not make sense right off the bat, but giving it a read will help to understand what people say in here.

[sterile flame]

Yeah i apologize for not being thorough! I’m a bit sleepeh

Dell rtx 3080 is the GPU and the RAM is trident z royals 3200MhZ

[digital dirge]

No problem

[sterile flame]

Would really like to OC the RAM as i feel stock is waste.

[lavish tundra]

take the ram out of ur pc

and send pic of the sticker on the label

[uneven robin]

Can someone help me overclocking my MacBook Air

[sterile flame]

Sorry, what are you looking for? It is a bit tedious to take the RAM out generally speaking, maybe I can provide the info you need from searching?

[lavish tundra]

Nope

you cant

[sterile flame]

Gotchya

Will post as soon as I have time

[sudden torrent]

Yep best way to find out what the kit can do with g.skill is the 042 code on the sticker

[sterile flame]

any alternates to ASRock Timing Configurator?

[zenith palm]

Assuming you're on intel? Msi has a program powerball? Might only work on msi boards tho

If amd, zen timings

[digital dirge]

What is wrong with AsrTC?

[sterile flame]

not giving me the correct numbers

[digital dirge]

What numbers?

[sterile flame]

I'm using intel/B660M Aorus pro

[sterile flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980676251779997746/980750965852479488/unknown.png

[zenith palm]

Are you sure you're not running 0mhz cl31?

[sterile flame]

[zenith palm]

You got the chipset drivers installed?

Ballistix, fun

[sterile flame]

yes?

[zenith palm]

Why are you asking me lol

[sterile flame]

indeed

[digital dirge]

Also, if 12th gen.. no matter what your trp/trcd are, they will both be whatever is the highest of the 2.

[zenith palm]

This will check if you have the drivers if you're not sure
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html

[digital dirge]

Idk if it's that way for other intel cpu.

[sterile flame]

perfect

[zenith palm]

You cant do 16-19-15 for example?

[digital dirge]

Correct. Like you can set it to that in the bios, but the lower # will be overridden with the higher # of the 2.

[zenith palm]

That's odd

[sterile flame]

drivers are installed

[digital dirge]

So even if in bios its set to 16-19-16.. it'll actually be 16-19-19.

Idk why. That part wasn't explained to me.

[sterile flame]

yeah i get that error you see on reddit about ASRock

this one

or faulty numbers as seen in the top one

[zenith palm]

You tried restarting after you updated the deivers?

[sterile flame]

it looks like the drivers are for my 660p but ill try anyway

[digital dirge]

My bios is set to 16-22-19-36..

Or rather it was..

[zenith palm]

@sterile flame that doesn't look like the latest version of asrock timing config, try getting the most up to date

[digital dirge]

His looks more up to date than mine.

He has 4.0.4. I have 4.0.13

[zenith palm]

Apparently there's a 4.09

[zenith palm]

That's v odd

Have you tried updating mobo bios?

[digital dirge]

Yeah I'm on latest. I've had several people tell me that's just how it is on 12th gen though.

[sterile flame]

v4.0.9?

and yes i just installed that

still get the same error

[sterile flame]

can I try your version?

the download link for 4.0.1 is dead

[digital dirge]

I am not home to send you the file.

[sterile flame]

eyyy

it works

[lavish tundra]

wait i need to check this one

[digital dirge]

Noic3

[digital dirge]

Whats that real-time timing?

Yours says disabled. Mine says enabled.

[zenith palm]

Interesting

[sterile flame]

no clue

[sterile flame]

Any idea how to run intel MLC? The winrar keeps telling me that the file is corrupted.

[zenith palm]

Winrar 🤮

What is intel mlc?

[sterile flame]

memory latency checker

[zenith palm]

Oh right

I've always just used aida memory checker

[sterile flame]

it comes with a tgz file

yeah it's first option but it costs money hence why i turned towards intel MLC which is free and provides more extensive data which is a bonus ig

[zenith palm]

Aida is free

[sterile flame]

just refresh the trial?

[zenith palm]

Don't need premium to test latency anyway

In aida, tools -> chache and memory benchmark -> right click start benchmark -> start memory tests only

[sterile flame]

ahh fair enough

[lavish tundra]

Thats for linux

not windows

[sterile flame]

all good i got a 7zip file

[sterile flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980676251779997746/980811988357750814/unknown.png

I don't have IOL values on my config

[digital dirge]

Hey, you found v4.0.13 :P

[sterile flame]

yes I did

one issue

it doesn't show IOL

[digital dirge]

Ok, so real time timing allows you to adjust the timings from within the OS. I don't think this is recommended however unless under certain circumstances like changing something called tXP, which I'm not even sure what that is.

[sterile flame]

fair enough

probably better to do it in the bios anyways

Is pushing the PL on my Gigabyte 6900XT OC to 525W on MPT safe?
I currently run it at 400W PL with no issue
my reason for pushing it higher is to achieve a higher benchmark score
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/305981966292090881/980838171245961298/unknown.png

[steel zephyr]

I've seen quite a few people saying that AIDA64's memory benchmark will give different latency results unless you lock your CPU speed. I tried it myself and got different results witht he same RAM timings on AMD CPUs with and without PBO enabled.

[zenith palm]

That's a pain :/

[steel zephyr]

Just another thing to be aware of if you are doing memory overclocking and comparing results.

[tall pelican]

all depends on temps. I've run my reference 6900xt at 9999 since launch

[sterile flame]

aye thanks for the reply one of the experienced overclockers in the OC discord said the same and another explained that you can't burn out a card with that PL before you reach your clock limit.

[tall pelican]

You "can" technically, as BZ and a few others had a mosfet blow on their cards from it, but its fairly rare and shouldn't happen with an unmodified card

Its mainly from an insane transient overloading a mosfet

Which thinking about it now doesn't make sense, since a software limit wouldn't have prevented that from happening

[sterile flame]

mmm I'd have to read up on that bc I didnt understand a single thing you said if im honest 😂

@tall pelican on another note how do I get these values to show up

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/305981966292090881/980842169566912512/unknown.png

my MPT doesnt have SoC, Fdk, or Memory Access

[tall pelican]

Might need a newer version of it, but afaik it was always super buggy there

[sterile flame]

hmmmm

bc I did download MPT a few days ago lol

[tall pelican]

No idea then. Might have been an older version that was removed due to bugs

[sterile flame]

I think 2560 core clock on on adrenalin is the best I can do

time spy usually clocks in at 2470MHz based on the adrenalin overlay

peak temp is 90°C

YOOOOO

I JUST BROKE A RECORD

LESSGOOO

[sterile flame]

@tall pelican btw do you know what those values boxed in red mean?

[sudden torrent]

SoC is your Northbridge, it connects everything to everything else.
Fclk is the infinity fabric, and it should be locked according to memory frequency for best latency.

Memory access at last level is probably the memory clock in the high performance mode.

[sterile flame]

oh?

so memory at last level doesnt increase when you have the settings in custom mode?

[sudden torrent]

I haven't used MPT personally, I'm on Nvidia and fairly locked. So I don't really know.

[sterile flame]

increase the vram clock*

ahhh fair enough

yeah you rite a 3080?

iirc?

[sudden torrent]

3080 ti

FE

[sterile flame]

ahh fair enuf

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/28475789

@sudden torrent do you think I can push my gigabyte card further? 😂

[sudden torrent]

That's a very solid result. That's probably about as good as you'll get without exotic cooling.

[lavish tundra]

Oh btw fitz do drivers still work straight up after editing max pl or do u need atikmdag patcher?

[sterile flame]

I mean

it is a gigabyte card

also XTX

[tall pelican]

been fine since my launch 5700xt

[lavish tundra]

great

because i used to need atikmdag on my rx570 and that limited my driver version

[sterile flame]

what if

I pushed the voltage

[uneven robin]

damn

[acoustic crane]

I feel like everyone *craps on gigabyte but in reality they make fine cards

I had a 2060 that was great, my friend has a 2070s that's also good

Haven't had any issues and I haven't seen like an abundance of people talking about issues with gigabyte cards in particular

Just people saying "gigabyte bad" with no explanation

[sudden torrent]

Here's a specific example then. When they launched their 3080 and 3090 cards, they "forgot" to put thermal pads on the VRAM.

[acoustic crane]

Oh

Uhoh

[faint tangle]

ig i got lucky

[zenith palm]

A capacitor literally rolled out of my gigabyte 3070

[lavish tundra]

lol

I have video

of pato_confusion.mp4

[tall pelican]

man, its a good thing most devices can run with a missing cap or two

[lavish tundra]

well that gpu wasnt one of these

[sudden torrent]

If it's the wrong cap sure, like if it's the one for SoC that's a little critical, but it can survive a missing power stage.

[tall pelican]

a cap wont cause power to not get somewhere

one side goes to ground, the other goes to the power plane

a missing inductor will prevent power flow

a missing resistor will also stop power

[lavish tundra]

Card stopped booting after that so twas gone

[zenith palm]

yeah idk what one it was for, you can look at the pcb if you want, left side of the PCB capacitor it was a gigabyte 3070 gaming oc v1

[short blade]

@acoustic crane my gigabyte 3080 vision was hitting 110c on vram out of the box in gaming

because, yeah, they "forgot" thermal pads on one side, and the ones on the other side were utter crap

[faint tangle]

Sounds like they wanted to save you the money on heat for the winter

[sudden torrent]

Not even that, the room would be cooler since the heat isn't being dissipated off the GPU

Plus the thermal throttling

[zenith palm]

I still think the capacitor literally yeeting itself of my board after just taking out the gpu and putting it back in again is redicolous, someone at the factory used pritt stick instead of solder 🤡

[faint tangle]

It's just because of how strong you are pato

Stop lifting

[zenith palm]

True i mean look at the gains in my pfp

[sterile flame]

well I'm crapping on it based on the PCB design choice

[sterile flame]

if my screen blacks out when the clock hits 5000MHz then is it sign that I've got the silicone limits?

the peak is 80°C

[sudden torrent]

Probably a cooler limit at that point. 80 is a little high for overclocking. Lower temps often get better results.

If you can dial back the voltage a bit that might help

[sterile flame]

the high point for 6900XTs are 110°C lol

there isnt any thermal throttling happening

[sudden torrent]

Yes. What's your point?
Just because you're not near the absolute max temp doesn't mean you're not losing overclocking headroom at your temps.

Circuits are more efficient at lower temperatures, it's just physics

[sterile flame]

mmm fair enough

i thought there was just a power shortage lol

voltage is still at 1.175V

[sudden torrent]

Pretty reasonable. Yeah you might be near your limit without a cooler swap. Full custom loop would be the next move if you want more.

[sterile flame]

yeah i considered that thought

but my case is pretty cheap and i have no idea if it can take another rad

[sudden torrent]

External mount a monsta on top

[sterile flame]

[zenith palm]

Ez just shove the tubes out a pcie bracket

[sudden torrent]

Many cases still have the grommets from the old days where externally mounting was your only choice

[sterile flame]

I have P400A

Bc it was on sale

[zenith palm]

Oh really? Never seen one with that except in vids

P400a is not a cheap case

[sterile flame]

$99 AUD

[sudden torrent]

It's a great case that happens to be cheap

[zenith palm]

Then you just got it for a good price

[sterile flame]

yeah it was on sale

$50 off

💸

[zenith palm]

But yeah the max rad you can put in p400a is 360mm + 120mm

[sterile flame]

yep

actually

cant it fit a 240?

[zenith palm]

Only in the front

[sterile flame]

really?

[zenith palm]

Ye no top mounting

Biggest fallback of p400a

[sterile flame]

danm mustve underestimated 240s

it would squish up against the heatsinks of my mobo

[zenith palm]

Most cases can top mount i think it's just the p400a's biggest flaw

[sterile flame]

[sudden torrent]

A nice 360mm would still be enough for cooling the GPU and probably the CPU as well depending on the rad.

[sterile flame]

Im running an ek 360 basics

not sure if I can just rip that thing out and call it a day

https://www.formulamod.com/Bykski-6900-XT-GPU-Water-Cooling-Block-For-GIGABYTE-Radeon-RX6900XT-GAMING-OC-GPU-Cooler-Liquid-Cooling-A-GV6900XT-X-p3055206.html

[sudden torrent]

Bykski blocks are alright for the price usually

[zenith palm]

Nah you'd have to buy just a rad for custom loops

[sterile flame]

swap out my EK for a custom loop?

[zenith palm]

I wouldn't but yeah that's the only way you could water cool gpu

[sterile flame]

yeah nah too nuch monies

maybe in 2 years when I build another pc from scratch

[sterile flame]

did MPT break my driver?

[latent wave]

-1 W, the gpu is giving you power!!!!!!

[clever epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807434218903699478/979507551576133692/unknown.png

Not sure if this was posted here before

👀

[sudden torrent]

I see a few problems with that chart. No context, no Y axis legend, and 125C?

[potent fiber]

Yeah 125C alone makes that bs for most of us, and what is n5/n7. best OC at stock voltage was fun. 3ghz E8400 at 3.6+ GHz w/ 1.2v or less Also I miss "fsb" OCing.

[proven canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599330497218215973/982023829524217956/0l239an5th291.jpg

[short blade]

TSMC node

but yeah, no y-axis and 125C makes the chart worthless

for we all know the top of the chart could be 100.00001% and the bottom of the chart could be 99.99999%

[lavish tundra]

death by silicon melted

[sterile flame]

Need help, this is the sticker on my RAM, I want to get the best performance out of it

@lavish tundra or @modern walrus

[modern walrus]

good stuff

happy to help

but easiest is to follow guide

(should be pinned)

and ask if you need help along the way

not trying to punt or anything but RAM OC is a very long process

[sterile flame]

LOL sorry, please treat me like a complete N00B, I forgot how to OC and everything, is the RAM i currently have good? Ohhh okay I didn’t know it was pinned

Mbmb

[modern walrus]

I'm running same bin at 4133c15-15-15-35

np

but ya that's good RAM

my guess is you'll get at least 4000mhz out of that

you might even do better frequency wise if you use gear 2

but I think you're better off trying to max out gear 1 since MCLK runs 1:1

wait my bad

are you on 10900K

or was it 11th gen I forget

someone said something about 11th gen & confused me

[sterile flame]

Is it possible to run at a higher speed than the actual recommended spec on the mobo? It’s 10th gen btw and I apologize in advance for the slow responses due to being on phone

[modern walrus]

if you're on 10900K there is no gear 1/2.

no worries

[modern walrus]

absolutely

disregard all specs for now lol

[sterile flame]

LOOOL

I have absolutely no clue what you are saying

[modern walrus]

which board is it again?

Gigabyte?

[sterile flame]

It’s not even a board

It’s more like a paper plate

JK LOL

It’s a mini ITX alienware something something

[modern walrus]

Gigabyte has its flaws but it's pretty decent generally

ohh

wait so do you only have two DIMM slots?

[sterile flame]

4

[modern walrus]

ah okay. believe it or not having only 2 DIMM slots is better for memory overclocking

[sterile flame]

:oooooooooo

[modern walrus]

that's why people who do memory OC often buy ITX boards

do you have any CPU overclock enabled?

[sterile flame]

Yeah but bios is very limited

Hold on I will

[modern walrus]

wait no

[sterile flame]

Turn back my system on

One sec

[modern walrus]

you want to disable CPU overlocks

until after RAM overclock

[sterile flame]

Ohhh

Okay

[modern walrus]

also one more thing you should consider before you get going

[sterile flame]

Thank goodness you told me that before i fried my mobo

LOL

[modern walrus]

it's very possible--if not very likely--that you will damage or destroy your windows installation

[sterile flame]

Honestly

I don’t mind

But ok

[modern walrus]

lol you won't fry it, you want to eliminate as many variables as possible during RAM overclock

[sterile flame]

Gotchya gotchya

[modern walrus]

& also, RAM overclock can make what may have been a stable CPU overclock into an unstable one

& you won't know if the issue is the CPU overclock or the RAM overclock

so best to start at stock CPU settings

cuz that has way less variables

[sterile flame]

Hmmm if bios is limited though, how the hell do I change timings

Or if that’s in the guide I apologize

[modern walrus]

no the guide isn't that specific

eh can you send a picture of your BIOS maybe?

you're looking for like advanced memory settings or something of the like

[sterile flame]

Ah shieeet

I can’t change any of that

I’m screwed

[sterile flame]

Sure

[modern walrus]

hmm I can't remember if you can change them in XTU or not but I don't think you can

maybe try MSI dragon ball

[sterile flame]

Dude u are so smart

You can!

I remember seeing them there

[modern walrus]

but changing RAM timings inside windows is even more likely to bork it lol

[sterile flame]

I totally forgot

[sterile flame]

Ohhh

:(((

[modern walrus]

I mean just do the "safe" timings in the guide if anything

at least to start

or if you have enough storage, dedicate like a 60gb space

[sterile flame]

That sounds reasonable

[modern walrus]

& install windows there

[sterile flame]

Okay.

[modern walrus]

that way you only mess that install up lol

[sterile flame]

Any other tips you suggest I should probably know before I start?

[sterile flame]

Okay!! Gotchyaaaaa

[modern walrus]

so you're sure you can't change timings in BIOS?

you can enable XMP tho?

[sterile flame]

Yes, and yes

[modern walrus]

like, for example, on ASUS boards the Overclock Tuner Options are Auto, Manual or XMP

nothing like that? lol

do you know the model number or anything like that? maybe I can find it

[sterile flame]

There are XMP profiles to switch over to

I used XMP 2.0

[sterile flame]

One sec

[modern walrus]

np

[heavy hawk]

Can you overclock a locked cpu at all

I58400k to be exact

[zenith palm]

There is no 8400k, just an 8400

With locked cpus you can overclock your bus sometimes

[heavy hawk]

How would i go about that

[proven canopy]

You could set up to 103 bclk, but don't do that, not worth it

[heavy hawk]

With msi afterburner? Cuz i do that already for my gpu

[faint tangle]

afterburner is a gpu overclocking software

not a cpu overclocking software

[dull ginkgo]

Bclk is in bios

[still current]

With older locked CPU's couldn't you soft clock all the cores near the boosted amount?

[heavy hawk]

I dont have bclk in my bios, or rather option to change it

I was reading that i could boost performance by surging extra power to my cpu? How would i do that or is it even possible with my chipset (motherboard is a stock aspire motherboard cant remember the actual name)

[faint tangle]

what cpu and mobo doy ou have

[heavy hawk]

I5 8400 and the stock one that comes in a TC-895-EB11

Stock motherboard in a desktop

[faint tangle]

no you cannot oc it

[dull ginkgo]

Yea won't be able to oc that normally without doing weird stuff

Maybe throttlestop and make it boost higher but that's about it

[heavy hawk]

How would i do that

[dull ginkgo]

Use throttlestop and set the boosting thing lower

Undervolting also an option

[heavy hawk]

Its just an application like msi afterburner then

[dull ginkgo]

It has its own documentation

Yes

[heavy hawk]

Not the same but you know

Any safe suggestions to work with so i dont blow my pc up

If i do, i will need to win that fathersday giveaway 🤣💀

[dull ginkgo]

Read documentation

Annoying but safety first

[heavy hawk]

From techpowerup

Wanna make sure im downloading the right thing not malware lol

[zenith palm]

Yes from TPU

[lavish tundra]

Oh btw @restive cargo i remember u were doing hwbot on ur phone so theres a way to OC your cpu and gpu on android.

You just need to flash a kernel that supports OC

Its all on the device kernel

[proven canopy]

Or just throw it in the freezer

[lavish tundra]

Still wont hit higher clocks just stay at max stock clock for longer

[proven canopy]

Bryce is more of the type to buy the next flagship instead of overclock

[lavish tundra]

Smh scrub

Demote him to rookie

[sterile flame]

lol

[uneven robin]

Yessir

[uneven robin]

Yeah

[finite frigate]

overclocking session tonight looks like this

[finite frigate]

made it to 5.2ghz on this pretty medium tier setup

1179pts in r15, 2803 on r20 @5.2 and 5.15 respectively

4.8/4.85ghz ring

temps were far from the issue, even at 1.52v, only 66c max at 180w

[uneven robin]

Nice

[sterile flame]

Which chip?

[uneven robin]

Nice pc

[finite frigate]

7700k

[sterile flame]

Oh yea it's in your username lol

[finite frigate]

lol

[sterile flame]

Do you use hwbot?

[finite frigate]

mhm

[sterile flame]

Ooo, have some subs I can look at?

[finite frigate]

i dont have much hw but sure

its a lot of the 7700k being resubbed lol

https://hwbot.org/user/floppabtw/

[sterile flame]

Were you thermally limited on that latest r15 sub? Just wondering if you can push the chip even more on that aio

[finite frigate]

nah not at all, mid 60s

board limits me to 1.52v max, and 5.2 is the furthest i can get on it

[sterile flame]

Oh that's a bummer

How much more did you wanna bench on your 7700k?

[finite frigate]

ill probavly bench more soon but tbh, no clue what i should run besides cienbench

[sterile flame]

Have you done the more memory dependent benchmarks?

Like 7zip and superpi

[finite frigate]

i ran suoer pi 1m and got 6.903 sec

its still in my bench mate ill submit it now lol

[finite frigate]

and 1.45dram which is even worse

[sterile flame]

Dang lol

[finite frigate]

it technically allows for further, but anything you set above 1.45/1.52cpu defaults to 1.2 and 1.4 cpu

[sterile flame]

yea I have a board that does something similar

[finite frigate]

yeah, its dumb, i feel like i'd be able to go a lot further even if i could go to jkust like 1.55v cpu

it also limits me to 53 multiplier

its awful

weird board and i dont know if its just a weird bios issue that i can fix with a reflash

[sterile flame]

I dont have much experience with z170 so I wouldnt be able to offer much more than general ideas tbh

[finite frigate]

im on z270

[sterile flame]

same thing

[finite frigate]

yeah

msi tomahawk opt boost

[sterile flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I291YgmAvMk&ab_channel=TheGoodOldGamer
this is why i love lga2011-3

[uneven robin]

Idk

[digital dirge]

@zenith palm or anyone.. soo.. I did the prime95 small ffts test for 30 min.. p3/p4 were instant 100c. p1 went from low 90's to 100c a little after 10 min.. and the p-5 hit 100c around 15 min in. temps stayed this way the rest of the time. I did the blend test for 30 min and no crashes, but idk if that is because of the throttling? Did I do this right? or is the acceptable or where did I go wrong?

my ambient temp is also 30c

[sudden torrent]

What you're looking for in P95 is none of the threads crashing. It's going to get hot, that's the idea, to see if you're stable in the worst case scenario.

[digital dirge]

If a thread crashes then my pc crashes?

[sudden torrent]

It would only crash the PC if it was super unstable. A thread crashing in P95 would be shown as a "worker" that stops working.

If you have a lot of threads I find it helpful to use the "combine all workers in one window" option.

[digital dirge]

oh ok, then none of my threads crashed

I"m going to take a nap for half an hour or so.. so I'll do it again just to make sure

[sterile flame]

naps are good

i just woke up from one

[digital dirge]

I overnapped lol. After a little less than an hour and a half there are no crashed threads..

[digital dirge]

they are so amazing.

[brave lagoon]

I was able to get a XFX RX6600 overclocked, I got core clock to 2800mhz and Memory clock to 1900mhz. Temps where at 70c running Kombustor for 12 Mins, and fan speed was at 50.

[proven canopy]

What bench?

[tall pelican]

kombustor, so its pl throttling like crazy

[potent fiber]

People need to learn Kombustor is almost like Furmark.

[zenith palm]

because its reskinned furmark

[potent fiber]

Finally gave "Lunar's" OC/uv way a try: scores on right are SuperPosition 1080P "extreme". 950mv +0, 950mv +50, then 975mv +75.

[sudden torrent]

That's quite a curve. Or would it be a cliff at that point?

[potent fiber]

Nah, bottom point of the cliff is basically showing the max voltage for that curve afaik. I am getting my 975mv and 1975ish in game .

[finite frigate]

not bad,

[uneven robin]

i was able to overclock my laptop

[proven canopy]

People have tried https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u135811/image_id_2385679.jpeg

[lavish tundra]

hes just messaging every channel for exp btw

he does that many times a day lol

[proven canopy]

Why farm xp? useless

[lavish tundra]

I mean ive even told the guy sending a message in every channel at the same time gives no exp lol

[proven canopy]

I think it has a 1 minute cooldown for xp

[lavish tundra]

oh i thought it was more

[proven canopy]

btw, pcswaps has a 280x/270x competition going. No ln2 allowed so normie friendly, cash prizes. https://i.imgur.com/WyJC427.png

I'd ping the hwbot role, but...

[zenith palm]

Yeah they do it in like every channel idek why

[sudden torrent]

Pretty sure one word messages don't count either

[brave lagoon]

running at 70c with no stability issues

at 2800mhz core clock

[brave lagoon]

i use kobuster to test the stability of my graphics card

[proven canopy]

use time spy

[potent fiber]

Superposition is another option too.

[brave lagoon]

yea

why wont discord let me attach pictures or photos

[faint tangle]

have to level up

[brave lagoon]

ight

[brave lagoon]

ive never heard of that one before

[potent fiber]

It's from Unigine. You might've heard of their older one called Unigine Heaven (which is somewhat "obsolete" w/ even my gpu)

[brave lagoon]

this is only my first pc build so yeah...

ive head of cinebench thats about it

[potent fiber]

That's for cpus. The unigine stuff & 3dmark is aimed at gpu. I did notice Superposition only put my cpu at about 30% usage, lol.

[brave lagoon]

oh alright

[tall pelican]

you are power limit throttling, not thermal limit throttling

[brave lagoon]

i have a good enough psu and card is running max wattage

[tall pelican]

A 6600 should be pulling at least 250-300w with no power limit, and you will be running much hotter at that point

[brave lagoon]

mine is pulling 130

[brave lagoon]

it only has 1 8 pin power connector on the card and the power connector cord can only handle 150w

so i dont think a 6600 can pull 300...

[tall pelican]

when you are power limited because of a power limit that is still in place because you havent removed it, you will not be running at 2800mhz in heavy loads

[brave lagoon]

the rx6600 pulls 132w max

[brave lagoon]

ive uped the power limit plus 20

it runs at 2800...

most time 2650-2700+ range

with adaptive cooling

[tall pelican]

it does 2800 while running kombustor?

or does it power limit throttle down to 2650 or even lower during it

because kombustor is designed to hit the max power limit, which causes clocks to throttle down

[sturdy stump]

I did a cool little thing with my GP104 GTX 1060 6GB today and hit 10292 on Superposition 1080p Medium, higher than the highest published score for a GTX 1060 (albeit all of them are GP106)

[uneven robin]

mine 275

[tall pelican]

Exactly

[sturdy stump]

Also does anyone know how to unlock overvolting, because MSI Afterburner won’t run my card any higher than the stock voltage

[zenith palm]

You don't wanna overvolt your card

The default voltage gives plenty of oc room

[proven canopy]

What card? You probably don't want to do that, but you can hardmod most nvidia/amd and use morepowertool for modern amd

[sturdy stump]

Thought so, I can get about +200 to be semi-stable with the default voltage, but I’ve heard anything up to the hard cap of 1.093V is perfectly safe

[sturdy stump]

I’ve got a GDDR5X 1060 in my rig currently

[sudden torrent]

+200 on core is very good for ambient cooling

[sturdy stump]

Granted, that’s in no way consistently stable in games, I think the limit is realistically much closer to +175

[sudden torrent]

Still above average

[sturdy stump]

Huh, that’s interesting, because the 1060 always seems like it runs into voltage and power limits way before thermal limits

I kinda see why there were crazy LN2/watercooled overclocks of this card back in the day

Also being able to set +1000 mem and start benchmarking just like that is absurdly fun

[proven canopy]

Yeah, that's often the case with small dies, power limit just depends on the bios

Lock v/f curve at 1.093v in AB for benching

[sturdy stump]

I’ve got a 120% power limit on mine and it doesn’t even hit that (under my ludicrous +215/+1000 final benchmark OC it was peaking at around 132W)

[proven canopy]

When comparing OC - better to state the actual core clock vs the offset

[sturdy stump]

Actual core OC was 2100–2126 (because Superposition likes to drop two or so boost bins for some reason)

[proven canopy]

Without locked v/f? You could run it windowed and check the throttling reason in gpuz

I would use time spy gt2, but superposition is ok

[sturdy stump]

Without locked v/f… which is “Force constant voltage” in Afterburner, right?

[proven canopy]

Open the curve, drag the point at 1.093v to what you want and press L

[sturdy stump]

Alright, let’s see if Superposition is stable at a hard 2126 MHz @ 1.093V

Nope, it drops to 2100 immediately

Seems like I’ve hit a performance wall, either that or setting this immediately on the first run just doesn’t work well, because this performance is worse than runs I did at considerably lower clocks

Huh, yeah, seems like there’s no more headroom here

Huh, weird: I only get VRel PerfCap reason, and somehow my card won’t push above stock voltage.

Not like it really matters, unless I want to push past my current PB, so eh, whatever.

[proven canopy]

Was that with locking v/f?

[sturdy stump]

Yeah

[frigid cedar]

Do we have anyone good with ddr5 here?

I'm not quite familiar with how ddr5 bins and today I overclocked my samsung die corsair vengeance 5600mhz cl36 16gbx2 1.25v to 6000mhz and a command rate of 1T without any additional voltage is this luck or just the overhead of ddr5 samsung dies?

[dull ginkgo]

What about the rest of the timings..?

[frigid cedar]

Unchanged 36 36 36 117

Didn't tune subtimings

Went from a 79ns latency to a 68ns latency and this is on an 8 layer pcb aorus xtreme with an undervolted 12900k with a -.085 adaptive offset and a h150i aio

I'm just unsure if this is how ddr5 works or if this is silicon lottery

[frigid cedar]

Okay that seems to be a limit then more voltage does not mean more better going from 1.25v to 1.35v will not take me any higher then 6000mhz

[kind walrus]

Iirc with good hynix you got 2 slot boards doing around 6600-7000 while 4 slot boards do like, 6400-ish?

And that's on hynix, you've got samsung sticks so I believe it scales to a lower frequency. 6000 sounds about right

Someone can correct me if I've got some of that wrong

I've seen 4 dimm boards go higher but I take that with a grain of salt as silicon lottery

[frigid cedar]

Thank you that sums it up great if what you know is about right then yeah 4 slot board samsung chips 6000mhz

[kind walrus]

It's also a gigabyte 4 dimmer z690 so I'd say that's pretty good considering how mediocre gigabyte has generally been this gen

[frigid cedar]

Now I do feel sorry for those with micron dies I hear that 5600mhz is a cap even in the z690 aqua oc

Maybe they were the first chips made?

[kind walrus]

Micron A is cope

[frigid cedar]

Now here's something I've been wondering

For the top tier boards once a generation goes by their price practically gets cut in half would it be a good idea to go for a z790 2 slot for my 12900k in the next like 4 or 5 years by the time gens after 13th are out?

[kind walrus]

I'd say think about it when the time comes

[frigid cedar]

Fair enough who knows if they'll ever fix or even improve ddr5 traces by then

[cold jolt]

you lookin to take records with the 12900k 4 or 5 years from now?

[frigid cedar]

Believe it or not I don't keep up to date

I moved to 12th gen from 9th gen

[cold jolt]

thats pretty up to date if you ask me...

[kind walrus]

I would just stick with what you have

[cold jolt]

i went from 3rd gen to 10th gen

:P

waiting for 17th gen? idk

[kind walrus]

a 12900K will be good for a long while for future gpu's

[frigid cedar]

Just sounds like egging on I'm definitely waiting for royal cove at least

[cold jolt]

yeah, upgrading your board wouldnt help with much of anything unless your really lacking in memory bandwidth 4 years from now

i doubt it though

[kind walrus]

you'll definitely be fine until the apparent 'royal core' generation

[cold jolt]

if you wanna put that sucker on ln2? sure, would be worth

[kind walrus]

if you wanted to try 2 dimmer on this cpu I'd sell the xtreme now and go for a unify x/unify itx

/return

[cold jolt]

yeah might as well

if its still an option

[frigid cedar]

I get attached I might just decide I want 7000+ for my 12900k some day instead of a whole new system

[kind walrus]

z690 kingpins do 7000

[cold jolt]

7000+ for?

if youre looking for performance you wont find it here

[frigid cedar]

I'd do over 7000mhz simply for my own enjoyment I do tech for fun no records nor thrills

[kind walrus]

you'll get as much or more out of a cpu gen upgrade, otherwise do the swaps now while you still have value

[cold jolt]

but also just wait for the faster dimms to hit the market a year or two from now, then we can see how software actually scales with increased memory bandwidth

[cold jolt]

thats fair

[frigid cedar]

Now what I'm really waiting on is using completely unnecessary and overkill tech

[cold jolt]

so be it

[kind walrus]

you're already halfway there with an xtreme and i9

[frigid cedar]

In fact I probably won't buy a gpu till pcie 5 since I'm an amd gpu shill

Although deeplink and cheap pricing makes intel tempting if they ever make a functional driver for the god forsaken things

Now I don't need to be told pcie 5 is pointless except maybe storage but if the 12900k can do it then an rx 7000 is even better

[kind walrus]

not pointless, pointless right now

later it won't be

[frigid cedar]

Well at the rate we're going I can't argue with that

[kind walrus]

a better pcie gen in the slot will leave the room for plenty better GPU's later

[frigid cedar]

Practically twice the power every gen so yeah if they keep this up an rtx 50 or rx 80 would actually use such unreasonable bandwidth

[kind walrus]

that's if rumours are to be believed

we've only just barely saturated pcie gen 2x16

so there's a lot of headroom left

that's 5x2

[frigid cedar]

That's true I think 2080 ti sli at 3x8 doesn't lose Any fps right?

I can't remember where I seen that but there's lots of bandwidth tests out there

[kind walrus]

it shouldn't

[frigid cedar]

Now I did just run geekbench and intel Is Definitely starting to surprise me

Uhd 770 in openCL beat out the rx 550

My first gpu was a rx 460 so im sure you can imagine how that felt

Technically it was integrated graphics but I mean rx 460 was my first card

[sudden torrent]

There's another advantage to advancing PCI generations. With double the bandwidth available, you can use half the lanes, leaving plenty left for other devices like more M.2 drives, capture cards, or other expansion cards.

[sturdy stump]

Aren't Intel iGPUs accelerated for stuff like this?

[sturdy stump]

No AMD we didn't mean it like that~

[frigid cedar]

I'd say a strong yes to both the uhd 770 has two media engines so even though it doesn't have many cores its very fast with things like ai and encoding

Also I'd totally run my gpu at gen 5x8 to use a gen5x8 ssd

[sterile flame]

is CPU Vcore voltage the VCCSA and VCCIO for gigabyte mobos?

[frigid cedar]

Vccsa and vccio are not vcore but they do have what they are in the names

VccI/O is the voltage of various buses like USB and can stabilize uncore overclocks

Vccsa is the system agent and contains the imc(integrated memory controller) voltage here should affect ram and full system baseclock overclocks you shouldn't need either above 1.2v for Any ram or core clocks

I mixed up vtt and vccio sorry

Of course if you end up being unable to find vcore you hilariously now have the knowledge to overclock your uncore and cpu cache before your cpu cores

[proven canopy]

It's a few percent at worst in real world gaming.

[frigid cedar]

I dont think the bus is saturated enough to worry about it I doubt it's really fully used

[sterile flame]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/980676251779997746/984675227520876634/Screenshot_2022-06-10-14-26-53-35_3aea4af51f236e4932235fdada7d1643.jpg?width=385&height=855

when they say set the 12th row time (%) to half

is this what they mean?

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[uneven robin]

Oh

[digital dirge]

Hm.

[sterile flame]

it stopped running tests at 25mins. Is that a sign of instability?

[zenith palm]

Sometimes it just craps out, try running as admin and start again

[sterile flame]

Its already set to run as admin in the properties. Also for my first test it stopped running tests at 1.5hrs. Would that result also be invalid due to it crapping out?

@zenith palm

[zenith palm]

Try running not as admin then