overclocking

[sacred trench]

I did

before OC I could play dense Beat Saber maps at 120Hz with minor flukes and stutters

smooth 100% through this time

pretty cool

o heck beatsaber crashed xd

im gonna try again if it crash again then i'll have to dial back lmao

[potent fiber]

yep, take 15 MHz core and/or 50 on mem. Perhaps take the mem down 1 notch 1st.

[sacred trench]

worked fine this time

although at a particularly heavy part i saw artifacts occur

[potent fiber]

mhm. artifacts = unstable.

[sacred trench]

hmm okay ill take 50 off of mem just to be sure

[sacred trench]

my vr stability is completely funked lol

might just revert to factory

[tall pelican]

2000 series was lower than 1000 series

[worldly wasp]

amd going to 3ghz

haha tsmc go brrr

[potent fiber]

Base clk, & not a bad thing. It's like an intel T or nonK that still boosts up near the speed of a K model. 🤘

[worldly wasp]

no

2000 oc effective clock js lower

turing is just a hit uarch

[potent fiber]

Eh, they were close enough. Deffo not a bit upgrade if having a 1080 Ti

[faint tangle]

aight i need some input from other people

i started benching again yesterday but my results wont show up on timespys site

i got 12922 which is my highest result, but it wont display under the results tab when im looking at other gpus

but it does show under the my results tab

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/25752541

is there any way to search results other than top 100? i want to go further down the list to see around where i placed

[humble jay]

Did you put leaderboard instead of score explorer at top left

[zenith palm]

@faint tangle make sure you're logged into the site btw

[faint tangle]

i am

[zenith palm]

Shows up in both for me

[humble jay]

Score explorer has duplicates is all

[zenith palm]

Ahh yeah but this but should show up like

[humble jay]

Ah yeah

[faint tangle]

yeah thats the issue

it shows up under my results

[faint tangle]

i still havent been able to fix it

idfk

[proven canopy]

Try subbing to https://hwbot.org/benchmark/3dmark_-_fire_strike_(gpu)/

[faint tangle]

I got it

Apparently the systeminfo thing has to be up to date for things outside of hall of fame, even though it doesn't say that

Because why would they

Now every test I run is crashing when it loads the results, so I'm pretty sure it corrupted, it hasn't crashed during the test though

That or I pushed my gpu too far and it's no longer stable at what I was yesterday and earlier

[proven canopy]

Very unlikely that you've degraded anything - my guess is try repair the sysinfo/3dmark install

[faint tangle]

The stock bench finished

Fully

Knocking it down 15 on core fixed it, gonna try 195 one last time

The odd thing is

[potent fiber]

Modern Nvidia gpus just seem to top out right around 2100MHz right now (without extra volt/cooling

[faint tangle]

It gets through the whole bench

[faint tangle]

195 on core worked earlier and last night

But it crashes when it's loading results

So weird

I think two more sections for the bench left

[potent fiber]

+195 core? That's quite a bit tbh, even at max PL

[faint tangle]

Maybe one

[faint tangle]

I know, I was surprised that it worked

Sips can do 210 on his 3070

It can also do +1100 mem

And it also has a stock 100mhz oc on mem

It worked

12901

[potent fiber]

Whole different chip, and gpus vary anyways haha. Oh wait, might be same chip technically. Idk

[faint tangle]

TOP 4%

POG

[proven canopy]

For gpu clocks - always state the actual clock instead of offset, cards have different stock clocks/boosts etc

Also grats

[proven canopy]

yeah, that's overall

[faint tangle]

i got 12922 earlier

but doesnt count

[faint tangle]

no, im searching by graphics score

[potent fiber]

Funny thing about my 3550, is I get to have the highest TS score with this combo.

[faint tangle]

i have a 3600, im like 31% overall

[potent fiber]

Nice. I think at 2101MHz I was top 9% or something, on the 1080 list. I'll retest later since I reset the cpu to it's max of 3.9G all core.

[faint tangle]

http://www.3dmark.com/spy/25752541 if you wanna look at it

i got 210 core to go through once, i doubt ill get it again though

[zenith palm]

@faint tangle you have gigabyte gaming oc right? You should be able to flash the vision oc bios and get an extra 50w btw

[faint tangle]

nah its 1x8pin

total 225w possible

[zenith palm]

You have gaming oc?

[faint tangle]

gaming oc pro

[zenith palm]

Rip

[potent fiber]

[faint tangle]

yeah, unfortunate

[zenith palm]

I'll have a look see if any higher tdp bios's than yours with 1x8pin

[faint tangle]

it would only increase it by a few watts anyways

i also have no clue how to bios flash and am a lil scared about bricking

[potent fiber]

Well what was peak watt so far?

[faint tangle]

not sure

[proven canopy]

I wouldn't chase overall percentage - look it up in leaderboard mode and you might be top 10 for your config, that's a lot cooler than 4% imo

If you have some b-die and a good aio, bet you could get #1

[potent fiber]

Yepper

[faint tangle]

not sure, i have se-224xt and some hp 3600c18, so prolly not

and non oced 3600

[proven canopy]

Try pbo

[faint tangle]

top 5% for my config

[proven canopy]

Did you set anything in nvcp?

[faint tangle]

not gonna atm, ill prolly mess with it later

nah i didnt

[potent fiber]

Doesn't many nvcp changes make a result invalid?

[faint tangle]

3600 is top 16% by itself

might have to invest in a 3600c16 kit...

[potent fiber]

What place? Lol. Yep, 3600c16 is the general sweet spot. At least for amd cpus

[faint tangle]

?

[potent fiber]

Place instead of %. Like top 90?

[faint tangle]

nah

not in top 100

doesnt say what place if youre not top 100

[proven canopy]

set texture filtering to max performance, power to to the same in nvcp, small boost in score

[faint tangle]

where do i set that?

[proven canopy]

Look through the nvcp options

[faint tangle]

would it be under here

[potent fiber]

Yep. Look for advanced 3d settings or somthing, then there's a spot that says Global or has list of programs profiles

[faint tangle]

that good?

[proven canopy]

btw - run the standalone, not through steam if you don't already

[faint tangle]

im able to close steam fully in the background

so it doesnt lower perf

[proven canopy]

Up to you

[faint tangle]

does it really make a difference?

if steam isnt open?

[proven canopy]

You can just copy the keys out of the steam version

idk, never run it

[potent fiber]

Oh, and DL a non-steam version?

[faint tangle]

did price on ram go back up? cheapest 3600c16 kit i see is 82$

[proven canopy]

Link is in the pins

Ram prices always fluctuate, good deals rarely last long

[potent fiber]

I should've bought the 32GB $98 3600c16 Ballistix kit, unless I'm misremembering

[zenith palm]

3200 ballistix will do

[faint tangle]

wont 3600c16 be better tho?

i dont feel like ram tuning

[zenith palm]

It was 3200 kit but you could easy set the freq to 3600, maybe change vdim and be done

[proven canopy]

Yep, that was an incredible deal

[faint tangle]

speaking of tuning

i might just be able to lower my timings with tuning

[zenith palm]

Yes but 3200 cheaper, and they can oc like this, more freq if my fclk was stable above 1800mhz

[faint tangle]

id check my subtimings with zentimings, but it doesnt like to work

just gives me this

im guessing theyre awful, since its hp ram

[proven canopy]

Do your HP sticks have heat spreaders? If not, easy to read the IC

[zenith palm]

Ryzen master will work in a pinch

[faint tangle]

oh wait

here we go

how bad is it? im not smart enough to read that

[proven canopy]

Yeah, usually need chipset drivers for the voltages

I mean, the XMP is only the speed, voltage, and like 5 timings usually, the motherboard picks the rest

[faint tangle]

can you tell the subtimings off of that?

[potent fiber]

At least those are slightly better than my 1866c10, lol. The trfc at 600+ is high though.

[proven canopy]

Yes, every timing is shown there

[faint tangle]

ah kk

oh

18 20 20 20 40?

[proven canopy]

But you need to know what ICs the sticks uses for further tuning advice

[faint tangle]

i also have no clue how to check that

[proven canopy]

^

[faint tangle]

oh

they do have heat spreaders

[proven canopy]

Might as well see what thaiphoon says they are

[faint tangle]

i think i have that installed alraedy

one sec

what do i do from here

nvm

its reading

[proven canopy]

Testing some rev.b on the 10900k

[potent fiber]

Should be a code on the mem stick that we can look up and almost guarantee what die they are

[faint tangle]

this it?

oh the input clock frequencies?

[proven canopy]

read eeprom

[zenith palm]

Well you can set tfaw to 30 pretty safely, should do lower easily

[proven canopy]

Not every brand, gskill does

[faint tangle]

ima just

[proven canopy]

There you go

[zenith palm]

Micron 👀

You might have a chance

[faint tangle]

yeah ive known it was micron die

since it worked with oloy ram that was micron

[proven canopy]

Doesn't mean anything

[zenith palm]

@faint tangle are you sure you only have 1 8 pin? Tech power up says all revisions if gigabyte oc pro have 1 6 pin 1 8 pin

[faint tangle]

i can take a picture if you want

[proven canopy]

Just check the power limit in gpuz

[zenith palm]

That or pl in gpuz like forks said

[faint tangle]

Case was already open

And got up before you said that forkz

Cant use flash bc phone almost dead, but you can see it well enough i think

[zenith palm]

Looks like someone ripped your 6 pin out of the board lol

[proven canopy]

I'm sure that's not the case

[faint tangle]

maybe its rev 1 thats 1x8pin

[proven canopy]

Aside from how unlikely that'd be, those are thru-hole soldered and would rip off a chunk of the pcb

[zenith palm]

@faint tangle the oc non pro has 1x8 pin

[faint tangle]

it shows model in gpu-z right?

[zenith palm]

Am aware you can see they just designed it with 2nd power port in mind

[zenith palm]

I don't think so

[faint tangle]

it does in fact not

are there any visual differences between them?

if not then its possible i have the regular oc, i just matched them via image

because it was from a pre built

[proven canopy]

If you're really curious, look up the exact name of your gpu vbios, just google it

Should be listed in the techpowerup database

[faint tangle]

idk where to find my gpu vbios

[zenith palm]

Apart from an extra 6 pin power

[proven canopy]

Might find this useful, idk, never used it on modern cards

[potent fiber]

I have used it (on 900 & 10 series, of course). Hmm, min 100w? As if you'd bother going that low. Would be interesting to compare various cards at certain wattage levels like people do with cpus sometimes.

[proven canopy]

I've only used it on 200 series haha

[potent fiber]

Yeah I used it with my 260 as well

[proven canopy]

Anyway - should sub your scores to hwbot - rack up more team power points for :wegg:

Wish they had season team rankings as well

[zenith palm]

Dw imma do a load of gpu subs and mem subs now that ram is stable, exam are over and paste is here to repaste gpu

[potent fiber]

Almost top 10 here!

[faint tangle]

so how would i go about ram tuning?

[proven canopy]

I would check out the ddr4 guide in the pins, it'll be difficult without knowing what IC your sticks have. Honestly I wouldn't recommend doing so on your daily for now, could corrupt windows. Pick up a $20 ebay ssd like an sm841 and install w10forks.iso for benching

[faint tangle]

ive got a 500gb ssd in my system that i havent done anything with, i can use that

might just wait for a good b die kit on sale

[proven canopy]

Yeah, could disconnect your main drive to be safe, might be able to do so in bios

[proven canopy]

Price range? 16 or 32GB?

[faint tangle]

16gb, around 80$ would be nice

i wouldnt mind that 32gb kit of crucial for 100$

[proven canopy]

Might be better deals at some point, but can't go wrong with this https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007611 601386107 600561668 600546709&Order=1

[faint tangle]

if i buy a new kit ill prolly go for 3600c16

also hows this https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-3200MHz-Heatsink-SP016GXLZU320BDAJ5/dp/B08QV1V17R/ref=sr_1_12?crid=3N6SNK4W4YNOH&keywords=ram&qid=1642804891&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A10656894011&rnid=2057428011&s=pc&sprefix=ram%2Caps%2C66&sr=1-12&th=1

[proven canopy]

3200c16 can be any IC, not a bad deal, but that's not going to perform or oc well

[faint tangle]

@proven canopy im guessing this brand is less than reputable? https://www.amazon.com/Kimtigo-PC4-25600-Unbuffered-High-Performance-Compatible/dp/B091T9FKZJ/ref=sr_1_51?crid=3N6SNK4W4YNOH&keywords=ram&qid=1642805581&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A10656894011&rnid=2057428011&s=pc&sprefix=ram%2Caps%2C66&sr=1-51

never heard of it before

[proven canopy]

Read through the ddr4 guide above

Also, like I said, 3200c16 can be any IC, it's very unlikely to be anything worth the "upgrade"

[faint tangle]

its 32gb which is why im considering it as well

but the brand makes he hesitant

i know 3200c16 isnt inherently better than 3600c18, just a bit easier to oc

[proven canopy]

I'm telling you 3200c16 is a poor choice unless it's crucial

[potent fiber]

What you mentioned starts out w/ the same overall latency.

[faint tangle]

alr

[faint tangle]

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-Ballistix-Desktop-Gaming-BL2K8G36C16U4B/dp/B083V93HJG/ref=sr_1_23?crid=GHUYB8C13DJV&keywords=b+die+ram&qid=1642806652&refinements=p_36%3A1253505011&rnid=386442011&s=electronics&sprefix=b+die+ram%2Caps%2C81&sr=1-23

crucial 3600c16

[proven canopy]

Not good for the price tbh, spend $20 more for b-die

[potent fiber]

I know, dang it's twice the 32GB price of the 3200c16

[faint tangle]

Alr

[faint tangle]

Top 2% worldwide for all 3060 tis

Holy

[proven canopy]

Nice progress, post the link, also, should sub to hwbot

From the hwbot server, moscow mule mug dry ice pot on a naked laptop mobo. I love it. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/662431495113277470/934321568895602688/PXL_20220122_0531498742.jpg

[proven canopy]

Streamed some gpu modding last night
Gtx 275 vcore, ocp, coldbug https://i.imgur.com/uP1gUHQ.jpeg

[faint tangle]

Not home, I'll post it when I'm outta work if I remember

I'm like 60 pts off top 100 for 3600/3060 ti builds using pbo

[short blade]

fwiw pato's 3200c16 ballistix kit seems to be a noticeably worse bin than mine and rawr's 3600c16 ballistix kit

[proven canopy]

That makes sense

[short blade]

so I think it's not worth going for 3200c16 ballistix either unless that $15 or so really makes or breaks your budget

i guess if total system price is below 700 or so it's worth considering, not like $15 will move you up a gpu tier or anything

i can run tRCD 18 at 4000, he has to run tRCD 19 at 3600

makes sense, if his kit was able to run tRCD 18 at 3600 it probably would've been binned for the 3600 16-18-18 lol

[zenith palm]

It's still 3600c14 for dirt cheap usually

[short blade]

those subtimings still have a performance impact

it's not necessarily bad but you have a 3070 i would've sprung for the $15 more

[zenith palm]

Especially if getting the 32gb kit tho, only 115$ compared to like 160$ or so for a 3600cl16 kit

[short blade]

adds like what 1% total system cost at most? if you squeeze out 1% more ram performance seems worth

[zenith palm]

Ehh am cheap lol also i just wanted something 2060 tier but 3070 was all i could get my hands on lol, anyway that 3070 has made be profit, going 3070 was an investment so my total system cost is actually like 700€ or something

[short blade]

lol if we go by that my entire rig has cost me negative money

stonks

[zenith palm]

Yes but only reason i got it was because ik it would be at least over half paid off

Also idk if the extra €20 would have been worth it

[short blade]

i personally think so

[clever epoch]

8Gb DR CJR Max safe Voltage?

XMP 3600 16-19 1.35

[tall pelican]

1.45 iirc

[faint tangle]

The 32gb kit was on sale for 90$ again so i picked it up

20 minutes ago

Decided against a 16gb kit since it wouldn't be a huge upgrade, but the sale on 32gb was too good to pass up

[zenith palm]

You should put that in tech deals

[faint tangle]

Up to 130$ already

[zenith palm]

Dam flash sale?

[faint tangle]

Also it doesn't get here till Feb 18-20 which i didn't pay attention to, but whatever

I'm not in a rush

[sudden torrent]

Iirc that scales like c-die so might hit its ceiling around 1.35v, but 1.45v is technically safe for all DDR4 according to spec.

[tall pelican]

cjr does good cl and freq scaling, but meh trcd/rp, while cdie is just meh overall

[clever epoch]

There's still some early dies that risked degradation past 1.35 iirc :p

[fast bobcat]

Should I overclock my ram?

[faint tangle]

depends, what cpu do you have an what speed and timings ram do you have

[fast bobcat]

I got a 5 5600 i beleave idk for the ram all I know it's 8 years old and I got no budget

8 or 5

I dont really know

[faint tangle]

8 years old would be ddr3

and that does not work with a 5600x

[fast bobcat]

no ddr4

Ik that

The idk how old it is

[faint tangle]

ram ocing can be very difficult

not to be rude, but with your level of knowledge about pcs im not sure it would be a great idea

[fast bobcat]

Ok

I just started building my first pc

Its been a huge step

For me

[faint tangle]

yaeh i get that

it can be confusing from the start

[timber hound]

Check Manufacturing date

But if it's your first pc I would not

[proven canopy]

Goals https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/901137125234315268/934619456611700766/6-japan1-600.png

[modern walrus]

anyone use conformal coating to hedge their bets using LM before?

[proven canopy]

Usually people use clear nail polish. Pick one that's benzene free like sally hansen insta-dri top coat.

[worldly wasp]

i do

conformal coating is nail polish but proper

[modern walrus]

was looking at that one... silicone better?

internet has lied before tho

I mean I'll probably still short the CPU & the board somehow but this lessens the likelihood I think

I think I'm gonna try it out on an old laptop

[proven canopy]

I've used this with good success. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B085G42TGS

[modern walrus]

damn I knew I should've waited to order it

hopefully the just acrylic one isn't crap

I got some disposable lip gloss applicators to put it on cuz the reviews say the brush dries out very quickly

[proven canopy]

I'm sure you'll be fine

Just use qtips or something. I just use the ends of zip ties

[worldly wasp]

i use a brush

[cold jolt]

just use your fingers smh

[sterile flame]

So, I have an i5-6600k, and my overclocking potential with my current motherboard (Gigabyte B250M) is kinda non existent even though there are overclocking options in the bios.

I'm thinking of an upgrade to a ASRock B365M Pro4-F, but I need to know it's overclocking potential for the i5-6600k, because if it's equally gonna be lacking, I honestly think I'd get better performance from my i5-4690k, which CAN be overclocked and is already quite heavily boosted. (3.5ghz stock all core to 4.6ghz all core)

Any help would be greatly appreciated

[sudden torrent]

B250 doesn't officially support overclocking, you'd want a Z270 board. That goes for all but the two most recent generations, overclocking is restricted to Z sku boards.

[sterile flame]

You're kidding? Why would they have overclocking even present in the bios and unlocked if they don't even support it. What a load of rubbish.

So it's back to my i5-4690k then? I'm not paying that kind of premium just for overclocking when I already paid over $100 for the CPU... Looks like I really blew my money on some rubbish this time 😅

[sudden torrent]

That's intel for you. They make you pay the overclocking tax.

[sterile flame]

That I can understand. What I don't understand is the fact that a board that cannot overclock literally has the bios options.

That's just bad practice.

[sudden torrent]

That's mostly gigabyte's fault. They made one bios for all the boards and just selectively disabled features.

[sterile flame]

They didn't even disable the features

[worldly wasp]

i mean 6600k isnt much better than 4690k

lol

its like 5% maybe at best

[worldly wasp]

amd just makes you pay the amd tax

[sterile flame]

It's not greyed out, there's nothing saying it's incompatible or doesn't work, it's there, visible, and even tweakable to 4.5ghz. It just does nothing.

[worldly wasp]

yeah

[sudden torrent]

They don't really have to disable all the features, it's baked into the board design to gimp it

[dull ginkgo]

B250, the chipset, disables overclocking, Gigabyte didn't do that

[sterile flame]

So say so instead of students like me with zero income now having to spend yet another $300 they don't have on yet another motherboard

[sudden torrent]

That was bulldozer era right? Late ddr3. AMD was not very competitive then

[worldly wasp]

even now

5800X is $370 on newegg

[dull ginkgo]

this gen is too expensive

[worldly wasp]

5800X MSRP was $450

[dull ginkgo]

5800x being like 330$ at MC is the price it should've launched at

[worldly wasp]

12600K absolutely curbstomps 5800X and its currently $75 cheaper on newegg

[sudden torrent]

Intel didn't really have an answer for it for a long time. 11900k had to overclock to reliably beat it.

[worldly wasp]

amd needs to slash prices imo

well right now, 5800X is overpriced

[sterile flame]

At this point I'm effectively VSing a 4690k at 4.6ghz against a 6600k at 3.6ghz all core.

I've paid over £200 to lose an entire ghz of performance just by jumping to what is supposed to be a better chip because Gigabyte didn't put a warning saying "The chipset this motherboard is equipped with is unsuitable for overclocking."

[worldly wasp]

well

[sterile flame]

You see this is why I hate building computers

[worldly wasp]

if you googled it

you would have known

this isn't news

[sudden torrent]

It's literally on Wikipedia

[sterile flame]

I went on their website before I bought the damn thing

[worldly wasp]

intel H and B chipsets ever since ivy bridge did not allow overclocking

[worldly wasp]

i would return it

if you can

[sterile flame]

When I buy a new motherboard, I go to their website. I don't go all over the internet looking at wikipedia or anything else, I just go straight to the manufacture's website and you'd think that's all one would have to do, but no.

[sterile flame]

I bought it second hand so I can't

[worldly wasp]

does it say on the website that you can overclock

or merely it never said you couldnt

[sudden torrent]

They'll put whatever they need to on the website to get you to buy it, all the buzz words

[worldly wasp]

a double negative does not necesairly equate to a positive

[sudden torrent]

"This motherboard comes with next generation flash utility" means they updated the bios

[sterile flame]

How come every new generation there's something else I have to look for to make sure it'll do what I want

[dull ginkgo]

Intel being Intel has been a thing for a while now, and that's still 5 years old

[sterile flame]

I don't like the fact that I basically have a $200 paperweight in my desktop purely because I figured newer must mean better right

[dull ginkgo]

newer doesn't always mean better, more expensive doesn't always mean better.

[sudden torrent]

This is part of why this channel exists. We're here to answer these questions.

[sterile flame]

I honestly do not know what I'm gonna do here, do I sacrifice the newer features and DDR4 as well as my super fast M.2 and go back to my 4th gen or do I keep this thing in my rig knowing full well I'll never be able to unlock it's full potential

[faint tangle]

@proven canopy forgot to post thjis the other day http://www.3dmark.com/spy/25779047

[proven canopy]

Nice progress, what spot is that?

[faint tangle]

for gpu, top 2%

for system, about 60 pts off 100th

its still 2% over all for system tho

[proven canopy]

Enable leaderboard mode at the top, you're actually 41st place

[faint tangle]

my 3060 ti is 26th place-

[proven canopy]

I meant your total system

[proven canopy]

6th gen chips and boards sell for a lot on ebay, I recommend you sell it all and pick up a 12th gen platform you can afford or wait for zen3+

[faint tangle]

yeah i saw that too

[proven canopy]

I was confused since you said 100 pts off top 100

[faint tangle]

yeah i had it backwards

i thought leaderboard showed all benches

sorry had a stroke there

[potent fiber]

Agree. 6600K setup probably fetch a decent amount. Although, I'm curious how they compare (similar rigs with ddr3 vs "good" ddr4).

[clever epoch]

Why bother? They still sell almost every chip(let) they make.

They literally can't make enough Epyc chips

[clever epoch]

Zen3+ is only Rembrandt APU, at which point you might as well get a 5600X or 5800X. Unless you mean Zen3D, which will be... Likely out of his budget.

[keen fiber]

I got a question, could you overclock a laptop cpu or a gpu?

[timber hound]

Soaking a cotton swab with isopropyl alcohol works great

[timber hound]

Laptop gpu uses the same method as overclocking in a desktop, cpu is harder but usually still doable depending on which one

I actually overclocked my laptop gpu so much it drained the battery during full load due to the stock power brick not supplying enough power 😆

[keen fiber]

also is overclocking undo able

[sudden torrent]

Most laptops (except a few "gaming" laptops) don't officially allow this because of strict power limits but you can undervolt most laptops, which results in lower temps and higher sustained boost clocks.
And yes it's 100% reversible

Check out throttlestop

[keen fiber]

alright thanks

[modern walrus]

Also, try installing afterburner

you probably won't get control over power or voltage

but usually you can overclock GPU/mem

well... if my ancient 970m or pain in the ass Surfacebook are any indication at least

[modern walrus]

how the heck you been bro? been awhile

I haven't had any middle of the night questions to bug you with haha

you've had mod assist for awhile now right?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah a few months now. Been good, just busy with work

And kids

[modern walrus]

congrats

servers acting up?

how old are yours? I only have the one 4 year old but he's a handful

[sudden torrent]

They're between almost new and 6 years

4 of them

[modern walrus]

oh wow man

& I think one is a handful lol

[sudden torrent]

The new one is more of a pain than the older ones too, go figure

[modern walrus]

haha ya they need constant attention when they're super young but I'm sure you know way better than I do

[sudden torrent]

We can take it to the special channel, they're done with their game it looks like

[modern walrus]

I'm down

new to this Nitro thing

so if I'm a little late it's cuz I'm lost not that I'm not coming haha

[faint tangle]

Doing a fresh install of windows for benching atm

So do I just install timespy demo and msi afterburner off Google?

And then don't install anything else?

[zenith palm]

On a spare ssd? I'd recommend using forks's iso and rufus personally if you haven't installed yet

Also id run his strip file but just comment out the disabling internet line/run the troubleshooter for internet

[faint tangle]

Alr installed, spare ssd, I might do forks later on once I have the new ram

Do you have a link to the 3dmark demo standalone?

Can't find it

[zenith palm]

In the pins

[faint tangle]

Got it, ty

Going all out for this, using my lowest res monitor and unplugged my other monitors

11917 total

Ffs

It didn't register because sysyteminfo is automatically not up to date

[faint tangle]

Ofc now I can't get it to complete with 210 core 1090 mem

[zenith palm]

Using lowest res monitor shouldn't make difference, still renders at like 1440p iirc

[faint tangle]

Ah

Smthn might be wrong, running a stock now

[sturdy stump]

Hey, has anyone here tried out some of those crazy BCLK OCs reviewers are getting on the i5-12400 and i5-12100?

[faint tangle]

Intel said that ocing a non ocable chip can lead to damaging it, but that could just be them tryna get us to not do it

But as of now I wouldn't reccomend doing it

[sturdy stump]

I don’t have one myself, but by all accounts, it doesn’t seem like there’s a lot of voltage involved? Idk BCLK OCs are weird though

[sturdy stump]

Idk I’ll wait for more data on long-term stability, but considering that overclocking voids warranty even on K chips this feels like Intel being Intel

[faint tangle]

Ok so

Confusion

First off, I'm now 14th for my setup

2nd, I somehow moved down in gpu score?

My score went up

Placing went down

And yes I am sorting by leaderboard

[proven canopy]

UL rankings are silly, I prefer hwbot

[faint tangle]

Going to try to get 210 core 1090 mem one last time

Alr

I'll connect to hwbot after this bench, or maybe later since I work at 2:30

Oh also fork

If I plug my two other drives back in, one that has 3dmark and windows also installed

Will there be any issues?

Leaving this one as boot

[proven canopy]

Shouldn't be, just tell bios to boot from the right one

[worldly wasp]

i'd buy 3dmark full

its like $5

[left blade]

fbi.matt#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[zenith palm]

Only on sale it's like 30$ or something regularly

[sudden torrent]

Goes on sale a few times a year at least, and we usually point it out in #tech-deals

[dull ginkgo]

Cool, wonder if we'll be seeing more ln2 ddr5 record breaking
https://www.igorslab.de/en/ddr5-8888-with-liquid-nitrogen-and-lots-of-luck-g-skill-shows-new-ram-oc-world-record/

[faint tangle]

does it say the timings tho?

[clever epoch]

That's what they say about overclocking in general lol

[clever epoch]

Yeah it was like 88-88-88-176 lol

176=88*2

[potent fiber]

General is more "OC may lessen overall life, lol

[cold jolt]

meme bench

[clever epoch]

Every second a processor remains on (powered) its life is being lowered. Overclocking just tends to reduce it a little faster.

"Damage" (aka degradation) is just commonly considered to be when the life is reduced to the point where it performs noticeably worse than before. Or more realistically, when it can't maintain stock behavior.

In any case, these chips are all made the same way, and are the same physical dies (only 2 variants of the desktop dies for Alder Lake-S, containing different numbers of cores). They just have different bits disabled (due to defects, performance characteristics, or just to meet demand).

If you keep voltages the same, there is no difference between the locked and unlocked chips, other than some clock scaling behavior, maybe

[iron lake]

does command rate matter in memory OCs?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

That's the frequency at which commands can be issued. 1T means every cycle, 2T means every other cycle. Therefore 2T will have much higher latency, but can also have positive benefits of higher max clock speed.

[worldly wasp]

not that much higher

[sudden torrent]

Oh and if you try to run odd cas latency on ryzen you'll need 2T to be stable. Even numbers are best. Intel doesn't care as much.

[proven canopy]

Meant to post a while ago, but nvs300 with vcore, memory, pll, and bios chip volt mods. https://i.imgur.com/gjAwLMr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3z1viym.jpeg

From 520mhz core to 1000mhz, .9v to 1.5v

[wind prairie]

Im getting an 6700k to delid and oc as a temporary test before me and the bois go all out on 12600k and im wondering if i should delid + liquid metal a used 6700k

Also if imma do ice bucket aio do i have to vaseline the mobo

[worldly wasp]

no

[proven canopy]

Vaseline on the board is overkill for ice bucket aio, just watch for condensation, wrap things in towels accordingly.

[timber hound]

That's one thing I wanna try at some point, how much of an OC can I get when I use a laboratory freezer to set the ambient temp to -50°C?

It's for a 20x30ft room so that's alot of air

[proven canopy]

Good question - if you're going to do that, you have to be very careful, both about condensation, and about overloading the freezer's compressor.

I would try and chill a 5+ gallon 60/40 antifreeze/water mix in the freezer, add one gallon at a time over a day or two.

Pump said mixture through a waterblock with a diaphram pump or magdrive MD-30 etc

[zenith palm]

If you set the ambient temp in your room to -50 i don't think you'll survive long

[proven canopy]

You have access to a 20x30ft -50c freezer?

[timber hound]

That's why u put the pc inside and you sit outside it

[proven canopy]

A lot of stuff on the mobo could get unhappy at -50, but honestly I think it might work.

[timber hound]

My work has an empty one rn so I could have access if I asked probably

[proven canopy]

There are a few folks in the ln2 crowd who don't insulate or use a socket heater and the boards work fine when completely frosted over. e.g. 10x more than this https://i.imgur.com/yOu1hyd.png

For a freezer of that size - you can skip the whole 5 gallon res suggestion and run a regular loop, with antifreeze ofc.

[humble jay]

Yos’ board with my 5700G

[wind prairie]

Ight bet

[sterile flame]

From when I did ice bucket. The towels on the tubes was unnecessary in my case though, but it still looked cool lol

Make sure you slosh the radiator around every couple runs or so to keep the coolest water near the rad. And if you use salt to keep the ice as ice for longer, please remember to clean out the salt from the rad fins when you're done, like I neglected to...

I put some towels covering most of the board too in other pics, protects against splashing, especially a good idea if you salt up your water 💀

[wind prairie]

Thoughts on car radiator cooling?

[cold jolt]

like using a car rad to cool a cpu?

ion think it works very well because they depend on high airflow

ya know, like you driving 65 mph

[wind prairie]

What if i submerge it

[cold jolt]

would prolly work

[steel zephyr]

Ice bucket cooling is much easier with a cheap pond pump to circulate the water. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc8dRuhlJyY&t=2255s

[sterile flame]

Yea, I ran out of money to buy a pump 💀

[potent fiber]

Not necessarily. I've (rarely) seen something like a thin Honda radiator used for a pc.

[modern walrus]

car radiators are aluminum, worse heat transfer

but maybe size makes up for that I dunno

[weary valley]

LTT did a video about it once

Would be better to buy a MO-RA if you have the money

[sudden torrent]

That ltt video was so cringe. Their approach to adapting the fittings was questionable at best. They deserved every leak. And the towels... shudder

[potent fiber]

mo-ra3 420 is awesome. ggood, tons of heatsinks, aios and rads are mostly alum. Hey Fal, this is a thiccc one

[barren ridge]

damn

that's so thick

[sudden torrent]

It's alive!

[potent fiber]

That's what she said. X2

[desert spear]

Hey guys gotta question

[faint tangle]

I might have an answer

[desert spear]

I have an i5-6600k i went from 3.9 to 4.0 i changed it by one and my stress test puts my cpu temp at 51 the highest.. should i go higher or keep it? Or is it bad?

[faint tangle]

Temp isn't all that matters, there's a max safe voltage

[faint tangle]

Idk what that is for a 6600k

The safe voltage that is

[desert spear]

Im not sure what that mean as ive never OC before

[faint tangle]

Ok so

For ocing

Did you increase the voltage

[short blade]

1.35V-1.4V depending on cooling

and whether or not you've delidded

[desert spear]

What is TPM

I didnt increase it no

[short blade]

never overclock with auto voltage

extremely dangerous to do so

[desert spear]

What should i increase to

Right now its

[clever epoch]

1.35V for now

[desert spear]

Should i increase it to 1.35V?

[clever epoch]

yes

[desert spear]

I change it under core voltage correct?

Is 79 c bad when im running a benchmark?

[short blade]

nope

100C max

when i was playing with a 6600K i had that thing pegged to 100C for entire benchmark runs

[sudden torrent]

Trusted platform module
It's used to uniquely identify your hardware, which can help with security. TPM 2.0 (1.4 really) is required for windows 11.

Which is found on 7th gen and newer intel iirc

[desert spear]

Oh alright i will upgrade to 11 when its stable and good

[sudden torrent]

Windows 10 will be supported for several more years, no real need

[desert spear]

What happens if i OC the vram? @sudden torrent

[sudden torrent]

On the video card? It runs at a higher frequency, allowing a higher bandwidth, which may improve your frame rate in games.

[proven canopy]

Change is in the air https://community.hwbot.org/topic/210709-hwbot-new-points-rollout/

[sterile flame]

Nice

[zenith palm]

So points being calculated differently?

[proven canopy]

Yeah, I think the goal is to encourage more casual participation rather than 3dmark2001 gpu getting 200 global points

Personally I like trying to take the in a highly contested category rather than scatterbenching to farm points, but we'll just have to wait and see how things roll out.

[zenith palm]

yo @proven canopy can you upload previous timespy results to hwbot now through the load function in 3dmark if thats allowed?

[proven canopy]

There's never a time limit to sub

[zenith palm]

okay cool just because its a previous run, cant reach it anymore lol

[sterile flame]

So... theoretically, the ultra slept-on xeons will be worth more points now?

First place 1660v3v on r20 was like... 3 hw points lol

Or 1.5, I forget

[proven canopy]

You can check on https://uat.hwbot.org

[sterile flame]

uat? That's the testing server or something right?

[proven canopy]

yes

btw, don't sub on uat

[sterile flame]

Yea I saw the warning about that

So are they using the uat as a way to archive scores or something? Why are they switching

[proven canopy]

Looking at my "top 30 global points" on the uat server, the 2080 ti sub points are way higher than I think they should be

[proven canopy]

uat is the test server

Oh, I think there just aren't many 2 gpu superpos 1080p subs on the test server

[sterile flame]

Oh alright

[modern walrus]

might be ready for some competition... can't do much better than this except running flat 14s at 1.63v+

(passed tm5 btw)

[clever epoch]

What are you doing then? Run flat 14s

:p

[modern walrus]

well actually now I need to redo AIDA64 test. Forgot I made a couple changes

crazy thing is, (for now) I settled at 4000c15 on 10900K overclock

somehow passed TM5 with tCWL at -7tCL

another Discord said tCWL 8 is below JEDEC spec or something

[modern walrus]

lol will do for benches

[clever epoch]

A lot of overclocking is below JEDEC spec. That's kind of the point, to make it faster :p

[modern walrus]

I dunno something about most boards don't go under 9 either

trying to get that y-cruncher on 5900x at least

still work in progress

22nd on 12x CPU so, you know, only 19 places behind Jedi Master Forks

if I can figure out how to break this DJR out of 4200mhz jail, maybe I can throw up some 10700KF points too

[steel zephyr]

I'm finally figuring out overclocking the Threadripper 3970X https://hwbot.org/submission/4916296_bavor_cinebench___r23_multi_core_with_benchmate_ryzen_threadripper_3970x_51694_cb

https://hwbot.org/submission/4914973_bavor_cinebench___r23_single_core_with_benchmate_ryzen_threadripper_3970x_1391_cb

I had to find the overclocking limit of each group of 8 cores at a specific voltage and overclock each group individually.

[sudden torrent]

If you set an invalid number the imc will just pick one

Zentimings reads from the bios so it'll still show the number you set, not the actual number

[sterile flame]

@steel zephyr what kind of cooling are you running?

Oh man, so close to taking @proven canopy's score lol

[steel zephyr]

A slim 360mm radiator and a 40mm thick 280mm radiator D5 pump/res, and the Optimus Threadripper CPU block.

[sterile flame]

oooooo nice

im not super familiar with how these threadrippers perform, about how much power does a 3970X pull stock, and at your OC settings?

[steel zephyr]

Stock is 280 watts. I think I was hitting closer to 400 watts with the OC. Power draw varied depending on the benchmark.

[sterile flame]

Oh alright

I'd love to oc some threadrippers but I don't have the funds for that lol

I do have a 3900x but I'd need a proper board, though I wouldn't want to risk killing it either since it's part of my main system

[steel zephyr]

I got a good bundle deal on the CPU, motherboard, and some RAM. I didn't need the RAM in the bundle.

I did ice bucket cooling on my daily system to get a high port royal score last summer. It was in one of Buildzoid's weekly roundup videos.

[sterile flame]

Do you remember which video? I might watch it then lol

I actually got a really good deal on an x79 fatality board yesterday, got one that I'm almost certain works for just 20 bucks plus shipping

[steel zephyr]

Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc8dRuhlJyY&t=2255s

I need to do more overclocking of older hardware, its much less costly.

[sterile flame]

Yea, I started getting into xocing recently, my first platform was x99 with a 1660v3

Was tons of fun, I got 1 first place and 5 2nd place scores with it

I'm going x79 now with a 1680v2

Overclocking xeons is fun lol

[steel zephyr]

I have a box of stuff that I saved from old systems. I have to see if any of it still works.

[sterile flame]

hopefully it does

[proven canopy]

This is quite good

[sterile flame]

can you send me a link to the pump you used in that ice bath setup? @steel zephyr

[modern walrus]

Thanks. For you to say so, I must've gotten it right this time lol

[steel zephyr]

Its a pond pump I bought at Lowes. https://www.lowes.com/pd/Beckett-680-GPH-Submersible-Pond-Pump/5005519261

[sterile flame]

Thanks!

When I did an ice bath setup I had to slosh the radiator around manually because I ran out of budget for a pump lol

Do you know if these sort of submersible pumps have any issues with salt?

[steel zephyr]

I planned ahead and made a nice ice bath setup using the large cooler I already owned. Its designed to be removable so I can still use it as a cooler. I used 5 gallons of water and 50 lbs of ice.

No idea about salt. I haven't tried that yet.

[sterile flame]

hmm ill have to do some research then

Yea I used about 50 pounds of ice on my 1660v3 also

[proven canopy]

@steel zephyr Use this for per-ccx overclocking instead of per-ccd

[steel zephyr]

thanks!

[proven canopy]

Try go for x265 4k and ycruncher 1b, those actually give global points, a lot of them

[modern walrus]

with 1.63v I can drop to flat 14s. 1.65 I can get c14-14-12-21-33 to run but it still won't bring me into the top 3 on 7zip. I'm not sure

[proven canopy]

I think this is the only sub where I ran a per-ccx oc, but I included the clocks in the screenshot https://hwbot.org/submission/4901436_forks_y_cruncher___pi_1b_ryzen_threadripper_3990x_10sec_848ms

Be careful benching over 1.25v for either ycruncher/x265

[modern walrus]

if I should attempt desync or try to throw some more voltage to get 47.5x all-core

[proven canopy]

1.275 set with llc 6 or so is probably safe

No guarantees

[modern walrus]

if I do the 47.5 all-core, I might be able to bring up R23 score too

wow 10.848 is low

[steel zephyr]

With x265 4K I keep having issues with too much variance if I run 4 or more instances in the "overkill mode".

It says the score isn't valid because my FPS varied too much.

[proven canopy]

Oh, yeah, run process lasso and include x265-64.exe and ffmpeg.exe in the instance balancer

[steel zephyr]

thanks!

[proven canopy]

It's a pretty powerful tool, lol

[steel zephyr]

I noticed

[sterile flame]

dang

[proven canopy]

Want a 2022 datacenter image?

Best effi for x265 ime

[steel zephyr]

sure. I wondered why the server OS works better?

[proven canopy]

I forgot to answer earlier, but it's a different scheduler.

Better in some benches, much worse in others like 7zip, geek3

[steel zephyr]

thanks!

[proven canopy]

If that happens to have any of my geek3 keys etc in it, remember to change them

[steel zephyr]

No problem

[modern walrus]

this is where I'm at with 10900K now... are those loose tertiaries worth the stupid low tCWL?

I haven't installed AIDA to check yet since this win11 install is pretty banged up from weeks of this

I'm gonna go for higher frequency when I figure out my RAM cooling situation next week

[proven canopy]

But yeah, you can probably beat both of my 1B and x265 4k scores if you per-ccx oc. I look forward to seeing you on the front page

[modern walrus]

4400 is a definite possibility. 4600 isn't completely out of reach I think

[sterile flame]

@steel zephyr im actually gonna head to lowes in in a couple hours to just get acquiring a pump out of the way lol

ill keep the one you sent me in mind

[modern walrus]

would a sump pump be better? those things pull nasty water thru them a lot... might be more resilient to salt water

[proven canopy]

Overkill

If you want something higher end, get an iwaki magdrive

[modern walrus]

ya you're right those are more expensive & usually made for permanent install

[sterile flame]

yea

[modern walrus]

might have to get one for my memory DIMMs

[steel zephyr]

It took a while to find the maximum OC of each CCX at the same voltage. I think they varied by as much as 150 MHz at 1.25-1.3v.

[proven canopy]

You can find them for <$100 on ebay, more like 50 for the 240v pumps

[modern walrus]

240 sounds great if you can grab it off the panel or have it nearby.

good if you had the older beast wall units

or maybe a dryer plug nearby lol

gotta rig it up a bit

[proven canopy]

For something low power like that, can just get a cheapo step up transformer

[modern walrus]

didn't even think of that. good idea

[proven canopy]

Not sure if I like the new point system, looking at my top hardware and global point subs, some of the highest scoring subs are stuff like 2 2080 ti's on air, I think that's kinda lame.

[zenith palm]

i got a good bit more points than i thought i would for this sub personally https://hwbot.org/submission/4916463_patokav_3dmark___time_spy_geforce_rtx_3070_15315_marks

[proven canopy]

haha you edged me out by a bit, on a 3600 too

oh, you subbed the wrong number

[proven canopy]

NVS300 vcore mod https://i.imgur.com/oplVi3v.jpeg

[zenith palm]

I was doing gpu not cpu i don't see what i missubbed?

[proven canopy]

That category is total score

[zenith palm]

Crap

[proven canopy]

You can just edit it

They just recently added vantage and firestrike (gpu) score categories

I hope they add time spy next

[zenith palm]

Ohhh there's no timespy gpu only?

That's confusing

It's literally in the gpu drop down menu

I don't see where...

[proven canopy]

Not yet. Yeah, it's annoying that all the 3dmark gpu benches are so heavily influenced by cpu score.

[proven canopy]

I meant edit the score in your sub to 12993

[zenith palm]

Ah right

That's annoying ugh

[sterile flame]

Lowes didn't have any pumps 🗿

Well they did, but they were super overkill

[zenith palm]

I've fixed that now, can't believe that because timespy overall is a good amount of cpu

Like if i did that cpu score on a 12900k it would get me an easy 2.5k more points

[proven canopy]

That's the gripe many of us have with how few truly gpu only benches are on hwbot.

Just gpupi, geek4 compute really. I asked leeg to add the vantage/fs gpu a bit ago, I think TS gpu would be a great addition. All 3 should get hw points imo

[zenith palm]

Sad, next week or later this week I'll probs do some ram ones with my ram as i can push it much higher than it is while stable but would probs pass bench's at way higher

[proven canopy]

7zip, geek3, x265, ycruncher are the most fun to bench with tuned ram IME

[zenith palm]

Yeah I've tried y cruncher, not the other ones tho

[proven canopy]

Be very careful with manual voltage on ycruncher and x265 over 1.25v set or so.

[zenith palm]

As much as it is contradictory i don't think my cpu would oc better than pbo and i prefer ram oc for some reason.. i assume you mean 1.25v to my cpu anyway?

[proven canopy]

Yes

Yeah, pbo is the safe bet

[zenith palm]

Grand

Thanks for the heads up anyway

[sterile flame]

I wasn't able to do y-cruncher on my 1660v3, and it'll be different trying ti again on my 1680v2 though since it doesn't have avx2

When I revisit x99 I'll try ycruncher again, unless I do x299 before then

[proven canopy]

Wasn't able to run? or just very difficult

[sterile flame]

very difficult

[proven canopy]

Yeah, it's a much more demanding bench. x299 tops out at 5.3ish on ln2 ycruncher lol

[sterile flame]

Which CPUs?

man, that's still surprisingly low lol

went over the 1680v2 records again, looks like Ill be able to take 2nd place cpu frequency without much of an issue i think

[proven canopy]

Something like a 10920x, it varies

[sudden torrent]

It's looking like I need to build my liquid cooling kit sooner than later, and that I should include memory in the loop. I had to drop my memory overclock by over 0.1v because the torrent is bad for memory. Even the fan on my gpu blowing through isn't enough.

[sterile flame]

I still really want to put together a 24/7 subambient setup

I still need to learn more about phase change, and maybe other methods of 24/7 subambient cooling though. Then put together the funds for it over time

[steel zephyr]

Clovis runs a 24/7 sub ambient setup with a chiller and a fridge/freezer. He is on the EVGA Forums and the Performance PCs discord.

[sterile flame]

Oh alright, connections are good lol

[humble jay]

My open window at night RTX 3090 beat his chillers

[sudden torrent]

Skill issue

[sterile flame]

living in antarctica moment

[proven canopy]

Rad in the window meta https://i.imgur.com/6wg1Jen.mp4

[proven canopy]

🙌

[sterile flame]

💯

[worldly wasp]

port royal is pretty CPU agnostic iirc

as long as you use something thats not terrible

[vagrant lance]

Dose anyone know how to get the best out of ur ram all the way cause I have 16gb and it only goes to 13gb how can I use it all ?

[potent fiber]

[steel zephyr]

I didn't see a huge drop in Port Royal scores until I tried a pair of 3090s in a Z77 3770k system.

Even a 6700k wasn't much lower in scores than a 5950x or 10900k

[lavish tundra]

huh

[modern walrus]

uh system uses that probably

[potent fiber]

funny part is just thinking of trying to use every bit of ram. "I paid for the ram, I'm gonna use all the ram", lol.

[wheat ether]

guys how do i get my .1GB back

[zenith palm]

I stole it

[wheat ether]

https://tenor.com/view/gasp-shookt-omg-surprised-shocked-gif-7508630

[short blade]

noticed recently that with my bclk manually set to 100.0 it'll still drop as low as 99.1

5800x, b550 steel legend

any clue how I can make it stop doing that?

can't see a spread spectrum option

it's bothering me that 3dmark is reporting my ram speed as like 3770 lol

found a suggestion to turn off SVM and that worked

I don't use vms so should be fine

just realized now I need to redo all the benches I did yesterday

wow that's so annoying

[proven canopy]

Try disable iommu

[modern walrus]

The Tomi controversy returns lol
Virtualization off:

bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype off

Virtualization on:

bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype auto

[proven canopy]

tomi probably actually used vm software though

[modern walrus]

Good point.

All I know is, I used that command & never fall below 100mhz BCLK anymore.

It does prevent you from using Android sub-system for Windows tho... I saw there's an app to side-load .APKs now but haven't bothered with it yet

[proven canopy]

That's just enabling/disabling hyper-v

If you don't use hyper-v, no reason to have it on. It's a type 1 hypervisor.

iommu is a setting in your bios

[zenith palm]

Tbh i did that too, did nothing for me

[modern walrus]

on windows 11?

iommu... I remember seeing that

it was one of the many settings I didn't touch cuz I knew nothing about

thanks for heads up

[proven canopy]

You probably already had hyper-v off. Can check in msinfo32.exe or in "turn windows features on or off"

[modern walrus]

I disabled it there & uninstalled Hyper-V from there

thinking that would fix it

the virtualization is some security feature I think

like that memory isolation thing that slows down your RAM

[zenith palm]

10

[modern walrus]

oh see this is on win11

where all that extra security mumbo-jumbo is going on

[sterile flame]

cb r15 doesnt use AVX right? Just SSE3 and older?

[proven canopy]

Yeah https://chipsandcheese.com/2021/02/22/analyzing-zen-2s-cinebench-r15-lead/

[sterile flame]

ah alright

[sterile flame]

hmm for some reason my 1680v2 just wont stay at 4.4Ghz, hwinfo isnt telling me a power limit thing, and temps arent an issue

eh this is probably a simple solution, ill probably figure it out

[proven canopy]

Yeah, check bios for power limit/vrm related settings.

[sterile flame]

Yea I had already set power limit for the cpu to 300W, im nowhere near that limit right now, and i dont see anything vrm related that'd cause that issue

[proven canopy]

Odd that it's in watts, usually it's something like "short term power limit" in amps

And will max out at 4096

[sterile flame]

theres also the core current limit option, i already adjusted that

default was 200, i put to to 300 rn just in case

i must be missing something, im gonna go through the board's manual or something to see if there's stuff im missing in the bios

[proven canopy]

Do you have a wall meter? I highly recommend investing in one, helps with all kinds of benching.

[sterile flame]

Yea I had planned on getting one a while back but wasnt sure which to buy and didnt see it as necessary at the time

[proven canopy]

Or actually, an elmor PMD if you don't have a plat/titanium psu and want to have to account for that.

[sterile flame]

Yea ive got an rm850x

[proven canopy]

You can get fancy with a dc current clamp, but I don't recommend that.

[sterile flame]

how come?

[proven canopy]

It'll be very expensive even for something with mediocre accuracy, dc clamps are often very sensitive to any gap in the clamp jaws, have to degauss often.

The jaws are also pretty narrow, can be difficult to get all the cables you need to fit

[sterile flame]

Oh alright, yea I dont want to spend too much money right now

[proven canopy]

I would save up for an order from elmor's store, lots of very affordable overclocking related gadgets and supplies.

[sterile flame]

yea I have some tabs saved from there

really need looking stuff

i did a few runs and the clockspeed isnt dropping weirdly anymore

interesting

[sterile flame]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4918647_farawaythrower_cinebench___r15_xeon_e5_1680_v2_1696_cb first x79 submission

[clever epoch]

So glad to see chipsNcheese shared more :)

[proven canopy]

Do you write for them? I forget

[clever epoch]

No, I'm just friends with the authors.

Maybe some day I'll have enough brain cells to put something on there though

[proven canopy]

Any french speakers in here? 12900kf 3dmark cpu benching https://www.twitch.tv/overclocking_com

[proven canopy]

Mick playing polybridge while memtest86+ runs
https://www.twitch.tv/mickulty

[modern walrus]

I can sorta speak spanish

[sudden torrent]

You know we're English only, no other languages exist here!

[zenith palm]

Imo it's fine, it's a link to a french oc'r as long as not talking french in here is all good

[sudden torrent]

Forgot the /s mb

[zenith palm]

Lol wasn't sure

[proven canopy]

One of the 280's from country cup, vcore,vmem,vddq. https://i.imgur.com/R5qdHfS.jpg

[twilit pike]

https://imgur.com/a/MndKNUa#WAAVO5a

Can someone take a look at my overclock imgs

is there aynthing I can do to improve it?

[shell hound]

@twilit pike what cpu is that?

[twilit pike]

12700k

[shell hound]

I mostly build AMD, and swear by lapping the processors. I know that isn't related to your BioS image, but it has helped me get higher, more stable clocks every time

[twilit pike]

I once lapped a heatsink. I went through to the heat pipes lol

[shell hound]

lap the cpu, not the heatsink.

[twilit pike]

Eh, I would pay someone professional to do it. . . Scares me too much.

[shell hound]

On Ryzens, there are major high points at each corner of the integrated heat spreader. Lapping really helps with more lower temps and higher clocks

an Intel chip would be much easier than AMD because you don't have pins to worry about bending.

Just get yourself a small mirror or piece of flat glass and tape a few different grits of sandpaper and go to town 🙂

[lavish tundra]

mate wot

[zenith palm]

dont bother they be smoking the good kush or something

[sudden torrent]

He's not exactly wrong just... The conversation wasn't relevant to the question. At all.

[clever epoch]

If you're doing different core ratios, you can probably do more than 5 GHz single core. You should be able to do 5 GHz all core at around 1.30V (and I would recommend just setting all core OC instead of different ratios)

I had these results with my 12700k. I did my tests with E-cores disabled, and on a MSI motherboard (where higher LLC number means more vDroop). Also my voltage readings are socket sense, and not actual core voltage

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/782534144134610965/925317297646755881/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/782534144134610965/925317150967750697/unknown.png

I tried up to 1.35V for 5.1 core frequency. Didn't work. I have a pretty solid wall lol

[proven canopy]

Why not use excel? lol

[clever epoch]

it was on the bench OS you sent me, which doesn't have excel

[proven canopy]

ah, I just use google sheets on a 2nd pc/laptop while benching

[clever epoch]

yeah that would be the intelligent thing to do

[proven canopy]

Nice data though, good testing 👍

[clever epoch]

also @twilit pike , if your memory is going into Gear 2 mode for 4000, you should consider dropping it to 3900 or something to stay in gear 1.

[twilit pike]

It's stable right now

[proven canopy]

Post a cpuz memory tab

[twilit pike]

Ok I'll do that when I get home

Is that with ecores off? @clever epoch

[clever epoch]

yes

[twilit pike]

Ah that's why man

I'm on windows 11

[clever epoch]

eh. I still wouldn't recommend W11...

[twilit pike]

I like it

I have no problems

I just game though

[twilit pike]

@proven canopy

[proven canopy]

Looks like gear 1 to me

[twilit pike]

Yeah it is gear 1

[sudden torrent]

4000 straight 15s
Even though it's 2t that's not bad

[twilit pike]

With a higher frequency or t1 timing be more beneficial for in game

?

[sudden torrent]

1t unless you're really pushing it high

[twilit pike]

i am not sure i want to increase ram voltage anymore

[zenith palm]

Whats it at now and what imc?

[twilit pike]

1.39

But i can run at like 45c

[zenith palm]

Sorry didn't mean imc meant ic*

As in what die

Ahh i just saw your pic above

I'm assuming b die

[twilit pike]

or so im told

[clever epoch]

4000 15-15-15 has to be B die

if you put a fan on your sticks you can probably go up to 1.5V and stay at ~45C or lower

most of the heat on RAM ends up coming from (air-cooled) GPUs though

[lavish tundra]

1.5 is fine without fan

1.55 is where fan becomes a concern really

Till then case with good airflow is fine

And you can always flip the top fan in ur case to blow down onto the ram instead of exaust

[twilit pike]

I dont have top fans

[lavish tundra]

just front intake?

[sudden torrent]

1.45v is safe if you have bad airflow

Like me and my torrent

[sterile flame]

my case traditionally has crap airflow too, but i just took the crappy acrylic front panel off and it's way better, and looks better too

i have a DG-73

other than that it's a pretty decent case

[clever epoch]

I don't think "safe" is much of a concern with B die so much as "unstable". If it's running too hot, you'll know from the errors/crashes before it poses a threat of degradation (IME)

[proven canopy]

Ehh

[lavish tundra]

ahhh right b die

very temp sensitive

i forgor

[proven canopy]

Depends on what heat spreaders, if they're single or dual rank, and your workload

Some sticks tolerate heat better than others

[lavish tundra]

rev e superiority

toss em in lava and they will still be fine

/s

[proven canopy]

lmk if any of you need the invite to the team wegg chat

[worldly wasp]

@proven canopy

[twilit pike]

What's that?

[faint tangle]

im having an issue with my dell laptop

im changing values in msi afterburner

but the total clocks dont change

is there a certain software i need to use?

[twilit pike]

Have you even opened it up to change the thermal paste?

[faint tangle]

no, but it hasnt seen over 60c on core

[twilit pike]

What? When you say core do you mean your cpu cores?

[faint tangle]

no

core of gpu

[twilit pike]

Which gpu?

[faint tangle]

3050 ti

[tall pelican]

Current status of a 1080 ftw

[potent fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/j-teezie-submissions-erupt-gif-7233272

[sterile flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sueñitosgifs-traumatized-mr-incredible-los-increibles-meme-gif-24305569

@tall pelican

[tall pelican]

Its a 1080 with a shorting vrm that's getting epowered

[proven canopy]

https://www.twitch.tv/techtested
XOC Podcast - What is XOC and how to get started! Guest host UnityOC

[clever epoch]

any recommendations for good thermal putty to use on a GPU repaste for VRAM/VRM?

(ideally available via amazon prime)

nvm just gonna use pads

[faint tangle]

alright so

im trying to oc my laptop gpu

3050 ti

i put memory up 600

but the total clock does not change at all

it sits stable at 5500

[tall pelican]

because power limits

[faint tangle]

doesnt fluctuate at all

[faint tangle]

you can still oc laptop gpus

i speak from experience

[tall pelican]

and vram power limits are a thing that i've seen

[clever epoch]

Try reducing the memory clock

[faint tangle]

doesnt change

core also doesnt change

i think its smthn to do with dell bios

which would be odd

since its gpu ocing, not cpu

[tall pelican]

you think they're different?

a gpu is just a cpu with a different function

[faint tangle]

bios tends to not have gpu related things in it from what ive seen?

atleast on desktops

[clever epoch]

well, when they're on the same motherboard...

[tall pelican]

welcome to laptop land

[faint tangle]

first real laptop ive owned, last one i had is almost 9 years old without a dpgu

[tall pelican]

dgpus on laptops are treated the same as cpus

[faint tangle]

still has an hdd lol

alr

ill head into bios

[tall pelican]

if the cpu is locked from altering, what makes you think they wouldnt do the same for the gpu?

its not going to be in bios, they just lock you out of it completely

[faint tangle]

wdym

[proven canopy]

I mean, there's probably a way to unlock some power limits and voltage, but not without a hardware flasher or soldering iron

[faint tangle]

mmm

pain

[tall pelican]

its a laptop, AB/XTU either allows you to do stuff, or its completely locked out and a pita to do anything

[faint tangle]

What's that number 2 thing

nvm

core is changing now

idfk

and now its back down to 600

im so confused

it goes to 1200 for a while

then drops down to under 600

wait

is there a hashrate limiter on 3050 it?

yep, thats it

i can oc outside of mining

mem clock still locked to 5500, but core can change

works on ergo ig, idk why

[zenith palm]

C states is like the cpu/gpus core sleep mode

[clever epoch]

new bios update, more time, time to mess with Z690 DDR4 again

gonna try to floor the voltage, then I'll try my A0 S8B kit, then I'm gonna rip the DR 4266 16-19-19 kit from my daily to see what I can do with it on the test bench

and maybe I'll grab the M8E from my dad's HTPC to see what I can do with that

[zenith palm]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4923301 not to shabby to be locked at 1.5v vdimm

[granite gate]

Tried overclocking my ram in bios and there’s no tweaker option

[sudden torrent]

We'll need a bit more info than that to help

What motherboard? Cpu? Memory?

[granite gate]

Laptop

i3-3110m

8gigs ddr3 1600

[zenith palm]

It's because it's a laptop and an old one at that

Very few new laptops let you overclock ram

[granite gate]

Makes sense

[sudden torrent]

That plus intel doesn't allow memory overclocking on anything unless it's a Z sku board or is B560/B660

[short blade]

you can still tighten timings on most desktop boards even if you're frequency locked

can run 2933c10 on b460

[sterile flame]

why do people disable svid when overclocking?

[proven canopy]

Not sure really, can't think of anything it'd affect much in terms of bench scores. I know it can prevent you from reading cpu power draw

[sterile flame]

Ive read in a few places that it's because having it enabled can give extra voltage under load on some platforms? I havent had that issue and dont see how it's cause that but idk

[proven canopy]

Maybe with adaptive vcore? But nobody uses that

[sterile flame]

yea i learned not to use adaptive real quick lol

another question, do you think using a custom IHS for my 7900X help in any notable way compared to just lapping intel's IHS well?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/192526028056? this is the ihs i was wondering about

the description doesnt really give very useful info on it though

[proven canopy]

If anything, I'd guess it could be worse

[sterile flame]

well that would be less than ideal lol

[proven canopy]

Do you not want to lap the stock ihs?

Honestly, I would just start with a delid kit

[sterile flame]

Yea I wanted to lap it, but also wanted to know if just getting a custom ihs would be better

oh yea, I cant find a good delid kit

the one from der8auer on his website is really expensive, and i cant find any on other sites

[proven canopy]

Many from china, no us unfortunately https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=2066+delid&_sacat=0

[sterile flame]

Yea I saw those ones from china, but Im not sure I trust them lol

[proven canopy]

I'd imagine it'd be easy to get a feel for it once it's in your hands, whether or not things line up etc

[sterile flame]

true

[twilit pike]

I bet they would

There are tons of different ones out there.