overclocking

[bleak sable]

3080ti

[faint tangle]

and youre having issues with 1300?

odd

[bleak sable]

no

im not

0 lost shares

and thats not odd

thats crazy good

[faint tangle]

i thought you were saying you were before

[bleak sable]

what

[faint tangle]

i thought by saying the issues fixed themselves you were having issues before

[bleak sable]

no

well

+1300 is bad for me

+1500 used to get 0 lost

but driver update ruined it

[faint tangle]

ahh

[steady prism]

ñ

[proven canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855034686027989002/916070660827152394/20211202_155739.jpg

[dull ginkgo]

A very fun pot

[dull ginkgo]

Is the plate serving any purpose or just decoration?

[proven canopy]

I guess it keeps ln2 from getting into places it shouldn't be if you can't pour it straight.

Pouring straight out of a normal thermos can be tricky. I switched to using one of these now https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B076C164HD

$14 amazon warehouse lol

[sterile flame]

nice lol

[dull ginkgo]

fair

[dull ginkgo]

The question is, can it hold ln2 without deteriorating?

[modern walrus]

would plastic tervis tumbler work? lol

[proven canopy]

It definitely won't deteriorate, even if you filed the think will ln2, but that's not the point at all. It's a spill shield. It'd be pointless to fill the pot above the top anyway.

That said, below -150 or so when the leidenfrost effect no longer applies, pouring any ln2 into the pot can make it violently boil and droplets will often land on the electronic bits below.

This pic is from flagship lab, he's active in Elmor's server.

[humble jay]

Also just helps keep the cold gas away

Heatsinks got very cold and board started getting wet when I removed the LN2 pot lol

Most of the water is from the snow melting

[zenith palm]

Oop

Did you not prep with vaseline or something?

Or some paper towels lol?

[humble jay]

I had Elmor labs HOT underneath, kept the area around the socket ambient temp

And shop towel around the pot

Lots of snow when taking stuff apart

[zenith palm]

Ahh nice

[tall pelican]

I see why seby kills boards so often now /s

[humble jay]

Lol I properly insulated the dark too

I was so mad

It was insulated for like 2 hours then died

[zenith palm]

What did you do

[humble jay]

The board kept freezing over because of LN2 on ram

And making the ram super unstable and making the VRM not work lol

[zenith palm]

But why it look like it was boiling lol

[humble jay]

Just MLCCs and dumping it on idk

But that insulation worked super well

Memory was rock solid stable after that

Then it just decided it hated being alive

[zenith palm]

Shnoww

[proven canopy]

Purge box

[humble jay]

Is nice, just also takes up a lot of space I don’t have rn

[sterile flame]

Maybe you can cool the CPU faster than the AIO cooler

[humble jay]

It was at 6GHz so probably

[pallid nest]

@humble jay are you Forks 2.0 🤔

[humble jay]

😳

[proven canopy]

FX-6300 on AIO https://www.twitch.tv/techtested

[proven canopy]

I want to know the story behind this 1600MHz ddr4 @ 2:1 https://hwbot.org/submission/4364885_airblank_y_cruncher___pi_1b_ryzen_threadripper_3960x_1min_1sec_221ms/

[lavish tundra]

"Ok I see what ur saying about faster being better but shat if we just S L O W I T D O W N a little"

[dull ginkgo]

Looks like that guy ran all of his benches at those settings

[worldly wasp]

XMP?

lol

3200 16-18-18 is xmp

[proven canopy]

Yeah but the 2:1

[worldly wasp]

bios

[proven canopy]

The ram isn't anything weird other than cpuz probably misreading the channel count

[worldly wasp]

if its on auto

[proven canopy]

Shouldn't auto 2:1 until much higher freq, guess the board is just weird

[worldly wasp]

3960x is also at 16 cores

maybe

[proven canopy]

Seems like a cpuz bug there as well

[worldly wasp]

maybe his cpu-z just cursed

in general

and its not 2:1

[proven canopy]

??

newer cpuz calls it uncore freq - but 1.91 still reads it as NB freq on TR it seems

[worldly wasp]

idk

[proven canopy]

I think that's actually reading uclk in cpuz

[grave idol]

oof

[ashen onyx]

should it be possible to oc a rx5600xt 6gb from sapphire? I'm new to overclocking.

[faint tangle]

Nearly any if not any gpu is ocable. If you're new to ocing I'd reccomend listening to someone here guide you

[tall pelican]

https://hwbot.org/submission/4874645_fitvelkiz_y_cruncher___pi_10b_ryzen_7_5800x_7min_56sec_766ms decently cool

[marsh zenith]

hey guys, just built a new machine (5800x, B550 Tomahawk with an Arctic Freeze 360, Corsair 4000D Airflow).

I ran cinebench and the temps reached 90 degrees. Is that normal or should I be tinkering with something? I've read that undervolting is a thing but I could never wrap my head around it.

Could anyone help

[sudden torrent]

Set a negative offset voltage

[marsh zenith]

Can i do that in ryzen master or should I do that in bios?

[sudden torrent]

bios preferably, changing voltage isn't so reliable in RM

[proven canopy]

https://i.redd.it/qxfisi2nty481.jpg

[sudden torrent]

That's what I do, we've got a high of 40F but I'm still not running my heater. My mining keeps my family warm.

[tall pelican]

Literally do this at work because my coworkers run the ac at like 70F and its cold as balls

[cold jolt]

my bedroom rn

[bleak saddle]

tbh mining seems safest in winter

if at all

[zenith palm]

Mining is safe full stop

[bleak saddle]

i just wasnt sure in the summer due to temperatures getting over 110F here at times

but if it is safe i guess it isnt too bad?

[tall pelican]

Mining is safe*

*when done correctly

[sterile flame]

at 110F its pretty annoying to do

i would get exterior fans

not good for GPU fan bearings to be running 100%

for 4 months

[tall pelican]

its fine for the bearings, its generally just having decent airflow and monitoring temps

and not running them in a humid environment

[proven canopy]

4 months at 100% isn't too bad, depends on the model of fan in the card, can always replace them or zip tie some 120's on later.

[potent fiber]

both, if I didn't have overkill cooling and/or if my space heater wasn't only 250W max total.

[potent fiber]

pro strat. Wish I "worked" w/ computers

[marsh zenith]

Hey guys. Been enjoying my 5800x but ive seem conflicting opinions where it's not worth OCing cos of Precision Boost and that it's best to leave it stock. but then there are a lot of videos saying that there is some performance to be gained and mostly through Curve Optimizer (especially for thermals)

I'd like to know what you guys think so I can gain some clarity on the matter

[zenith palm]

So precision boost overdrive isn't stock you will have to enable it in bios to take advantage of it

And yes you should be using curve optimiser with PBO for best perf in games

For multi core it would probs be worth a manual oc

[marsh zenith]

Gotcha. Is there a video you'd recommend cos I know it's easy to mess this one up!

[lavish tundra]

Pbo->on

Thats it

Thats all you need to do

[lavish tundra]

Not really tbh

[zenith palm]

Meant to said could wooops

[lavish tundra]

Zen 3 pbo is :chefskiss:

[zenith palm]

Emote fail

[lavish tundra]

On porpoise

[zenith palm]

Suree

[lavish tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/843138587146977321.png?size=48

There you go @zenith palm

[zenith palm]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-awkward-smile-gif-5307535

[marsh zenith]

LMAO yeah thanks homies. Sorry for being a PITA. Just didn't wanna break stuff lol

[zenith palm]

DW you're not, the whole point of this server is to ask questions learn more etc

[proven canopy]

Nah, as long as you do some minimal reading, check the pins etc and put more effort into your question than "how overclock raizin" you're good

[short blade]

1.65v good for raizin 5? I get 5ghz but then make smoke and smell like grapes

[sterile flame]

@ivory lichen moment

[sterile flame]

I OvErClOcKeD mY rAm To 9234MhZ bUt My CoMpOoTuR nOt WoRk WhAt Do I dO???

[stiff loom]

ok. can someone send me a video on overclocking my 3070 ftw3 ultra

[barren ridge]

ocing a gpu is simple

you can use msi afterburner

or evga x1 cause you have evga

[potent fiber]

OC'ing it too much is also simple, LuL. w/ MSI AB or the evga program: Up Core 5-10Mhz, run benchmark or various games for a bit, if no crash or funky stuff, increase Core another 5-10mhz and repeat numerous times until: game crash, pc crash/freeze/restarts, etc. If any funky stuff, OC has to go back down 5-10 Mhz. That's a very generalized instruction.

[sterile flame]

just set core to +50 and then increase it gradually
(usually +105 is high and stable depends on the application) i have seen people push their core clock to +280 and have it stable but thats crazy and they only get +115-+150 stable or something
im not an expert on gpu oc idk why im telling you what to do

but i did +105 core and +750 mem and it was stable

[sacred trench]

not 100% sure what im doing, but is this a good V/F curve for a 3060ti?

[potent fiber]

Tap on the 1st box of the flat line pls so we can see a clock/voltage number.

[sacred trench]

or on the top?

[potent fiber]

Healthy oc. 2nd pic is so Similar to my 1080 it's funny. Instead of the variable oc, I'd probably make it a straight +90 oc. Not usually in 3d mode below 1700 Mhz(w/e base clock is), if that makes since.

[sacred trench]

yeah no i dont know much about OC'ing ;-;

[potent fiber]

See how the 1st dot & ones near it say +159ish? Any boxes sub-1700ish mhz can be lowered to +90 like your highest one w/ almost no loss in performance. The top-end is a pretty safe curve, you should be though. Remember to maybe up power limit to 105-110.

[sacred trench]

hows this

[potent fiber]

Better. Yeah, I was gonna say just try a straight +90 oc, while keeping the max mhz line at 2010ish. Do a few benches to see it it's stable & check temps. All these newer cards have their normal boosting that goes pretty high before even doing an oc. Save this profile. Later after benches you can swap to no oc w/ just pL at 105-110 & see how that option does.

[sacred trench]

yeah ill test right now

thanks

[potent fiber]

Np. Many people keep going near +100 oc but gpu has a lot of dynamics & ingame mhz still varies by load/temp so diminishing returns happen quick.

[sacred trench]

I see

[potent fiber]

Some people move a certain box then tap L on it to lock that vF. I was doing that to try out undervolting. 150w vs 200w for .9v-ish vs 1.05ish is interesting. The L lock usually kept me from clocking down completely at idle so I stopped using it. I can show examples later if wanted

[zenith palm]

@sacred trench just do a flat +150 or whatever no need to use the curve for regular ocing and stress test it

[bleak saddle]

finally learned how to oc my 1030

[worldly wasp]

290x?

wait

no, not enough memory chips

[proven canopy]

strix 1080, lol

[worldly wasp]

and powerstages yoo big

[potent fiber]

That is awesome!

[bleak saddle]

corrosion or cold?

[proven canopy]

🧊

[potent fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/what-what-did-you-say-huh-shocked-lift-glasses-gif-16489612

[short blade]

@modern walrus i bought a cheap prebuilt recently

came with some 3000c16 mystery micron die

[modern walrus]

I hate Hynix

[short blade]

i didn't care much so i did ram oc the stupid way

[modern walrus]

how I do it?

[short blade]

just sent a bunch of timings and stuck with what booted

ended up finishing in like 3 hours

[modern walrus]

like including primaries, secondaries, etc?

I've been at it since Friday

[short blade]

yeah terts too

[modern walrus]

on & off

corrupted win11

had to reinstall

which of course somehow crashed like 3x during install

even tho I was on JEDEC

[short blade]

it was a really bad kit so a lot of this is loose lol

maybe i could have pushed some things a little farther? but for a 3 hour speedrun of an unknown die good enough

some people said it might be rev. p or rev. j

[modern walrus]

bruh

[short blade]

never heard of those

[modern walrus]

to make it worse I'm on intel

so I'm even more lost than usual

which is really lost

[short blade]

the terts were basically just stable at the lowest they could boot

3800c18 would boot but crash about 4 minutes into stress testing with no errors no wheas

was weird

but figured it was fclk anyways and dropped it to 3733

hard to hit 1900 fclk on zen 2

[modern walrus]

kinda what I'm experiencing minus the part where you were even remotely successful lol

[worldly wasp]

what cpu

[modern walrus]

I bet. I had a hell of a time just hitting it on zen 3

[short blade]

yeah its a pretty big jump from xmp 3000 16-18-18-38

[worldly wasp]

i have a 2050 fclk 5900x

[modern walrus]

10900K

[short blade]

cl16 didn't want to boot at 3600 let alone 3733

my 5800x runs 2000 fclk stable but with bad performance

so i daily 1900

[modern walrus]

I do the same

[short blade]

did i tell you about the deal i got on this prebuilt

actually crazy

[modern walrus]

but only cuz 2000 FCLK was WHEA party

oh no you were about to

then I started rambling on about my usual nonsense

[short blade]

i was just shopping for 5700XTs

got a 3700X + 16gb ram + 1tb nvme + 5700XT prebuilt for $700 instead

[modern walrus]

daaamn

did someone die next to it? wth?

[worldly wasp]

where u find these deals

[modern walrus]

stolen & seller had a gambling habit? wow

[short blade]

5700XTs are worth $850-900 alone lol

[short blade]

this one was from facebook

first time i've found a good deal on facebook in a while

most of my deals are from r/hws

[short blade]

nah seller just didn't know what he had

he bought a new prebuilt with 128gb 2666mhz ram for gaming

lol

my guess is that he just priced it based off of what he bought it for + some depreciation without knowing about the current state of graphics cards

[modern walrus]

was he like older or something?

from a small town?

damn

[short blade]

nah looked like early 20s

pretty big city

had to drive 35 miles to meet him

[modern walrus]

worth it for sure

[short blade]

yeah for sure

no problems with it either just took 2 hours to clean cause he had a cat lol

i should try overclocking the cpu eventually

the aio isn't too bad, only 120mm but it's push/pull

was handling the 3700x fine in prime95 small ffts with pbo on

~83C

it's not an impressive result at all for sure but for a prebuilt it could be a lot worse lol

[modern walrus]

holy crap that's intense

sorry girlfriend required my undivided attention lol

[short blade]

i feel that

[modern walrus]

haha that's better than mine

well maybe not

I'm around 80c

[short blade]

your cpu is also a lot harder to cool than a 3700x

[modern walrus]

but only because run TDC/EDC at 178amps

[short blade]

it cleaned up decently

[modern walrus]

in desperate attempt to 4600+ on R23 multi runs

damn that's legit

[short blade]

yeah the 3700x was drawing like 90W with PBO on lol

[modern walrus]

I think I'm at like 180 or something

[short blade]

my 5800x will go up to about 160W before it hits thermal limit

[modern walrus]

oh man the top of that case is begging for a 280 or 240

[short blade]

this prebuilt uses the first b550 board ever made

it's an oem only board

hwinfo actually reads it incorrectly as an x570 board

[modern walrus]

do all Zen 2 & 3 CPUs have PBO available?

it's not like Intel where only K & KF can overclock?

[short blade]

yeah

all ryzen cpus are unlocked

just need a b or x series mobo

[modern walrus]

ah I see

they flip it on the motherboard manufacturers to allow it

[short blade]

look at that motherboard section lol

[modern walrus]

apparently ASUS was really excited to enable it since I have 3 different places in BIOS that are PBO

Bixby?

that pseudo-Siri thing on Android? lol

[short blade]

👀

[modern walrus]

I like how it says B550

then reads it as x570

[modern walrus]

Chadrock ftw

[short blade]

yeah idk since it's the first ever b550 board maybe they just didn't program that part correctly

[modern walrus]

makes sense to me

what are you gonna do with it?

[short blade]

for an oem board it's not too bad

i thought it had bare vrms at first

[modern walrus]

play around with it a bit? change some fans with extras you have lying around?

[short blade]

but it's only the vrms at the top that are bare

and there's a decent heatsink on the rest of them at the left that's hidden by the aio unless you look for it

i'll prob try to flip the whole prebuilt minus gpu

or put in a different gpu

[modern walrus]

let me open original since I'm blind

I like the GPU support btw hahaha

[short blade]

it works

[modern walrus]

perfect height

[short blade]

hidden vrm heatsink

[modern walrus]

haha well hidden

[short blade]

you can see 2 bare phases at the top

[modern walrus]

damn I dunno how you do it

[short blade]

i didn't see the heatsink at first so i was like "ok this board is doomed"

then i googled the board and the review was like "we can see a pretty beefy vrm heatsink" and i'm like wait what

[modern walrus]

I couldn't sell a 5000D/10700KF/RTX3060 build and you can sell an older GPU-less one

[short blade]

nah its getting really hard to flip tbh

ive had this 6700K 970 build for like 2.5 months trying to sell at 0 profit

someone's coming over today hopefully they don't flake

i just want it gone lol

[modern walrus]

everyone wants 12900K or market is just saturated?

[short blade]

i dunno

the guy who sold this prebuilt to me mentioned he got tons of messages from scammers

[modern walrus]

well 12th gen not specifically i9

[short blade]

so did i

maybe my local marketplace is just dying from too many scammers

[modern walrus]

lol like "just leave the computer at this address & I'll paypal you"

definitely a nice buy

[short blade]

"text me at <number with area code from the other side of the country>"

"by the way do you accept checks and will you ship"

[modern walrus]

lmaooo

checks for sure

[short blade]

like.. how did you even find my listing

i have it set to local only lol

[modern walrus]

they troll looking for suckers

they do it everywhere

dating apps especially

on telegram (which I rarely used)

I would get random message from ostensibly an attractive girl like

oh hey

[short blade]

the person coming over today actually asked me to text them with a number from the other side of the country

but they said they recently moved here

[modern walrus]

they set proxy server to appear like in my area or something

[short blade]

as long as it's a local meetup i can't really get scammed so let's see how that works out

[modern walrus]

meet them at a police station I guess

you should get one of those markers/pens that detects counterfeit bills

[short blade]

nah starbucks inside a grocery store

[modern walrus]

that's the only thing they can really do at that point

[short blade]

i'm not taking cash

[modern walrus]

etherium only?

[short blade]

LOL

nah zelle

[modern walrus]

oh ya true

even cash app is suspect

[short blade]

starbucks cause they want to plug it in and see it turn on

[modern walrus]

I prefer PayPal

but Zelle works cuz my bank has it so that way they're involved lol

ya true any smart buyer should do that

if you have some extra KPX lying around maybe you can cut a few C off it

[short blade]

i have mx-4

[modern walrus]

probably better than what's on there

After I repasted old 970m laptop I can leave it mining all the time without it throttling

[short blade]

I have way too much thermal paste lying around

[modern walrus]

here's a chance to get rid of some lol

go crazy & repaste the GPU too if you're bored haha

[short blade]

ehh the gpu thermals are really good

doubt it needs

[clever epoch]

yeah I got ahold of a DDR5+mobo bundle that I'm trying to get rid of because I don't have the time to mess with it now sadly 😦

[tall pelican]

Just curious, which combo?

[clever epoch]

Trident Z5 DDR5 5600 C36
(F5-5600U3636C16GX2-TZ5K) https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr5-sdram/p/N82E16820374309

MSI MPG Z690 Carbon Wifi https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813144484

Got them for $800 with tax.

[tall pelican]

Damn, gave you a decent mobo, but meh ram

[clever epoch]

Could be worse. Pretty sure it's Samsung, and Hynix is a unicorn, so I'll settle with "not micron"

[tall pelican]

I want to say its samsung too, I've been benching mine on this terrible asus board today

it doesnt listen to avx offset = 0, so yeah......

this 12600k better get me enough points to catch back up to forks lmao

like https://hwbot.org/submission/4881431_

[clever epoch]

Oof. I've heard asus Z690, especially DDR5, is quite poopy

[humble jay]

Dell ram OP

[tall pelican]

It was supposed to be poopy, but afaik it'll still max out Samsung sticks (might need seby to confirm it)

Not sure if Samsung was meh because of max clocks, or because of timings

[modern walrus]

if anyone ever needs excel sheets to do tuning, I spent the time to make them & will happily send them to you to track your efforts. That's the one I made for tuning Aorus Z590 for example

[proven canopy]

Do you have a script to import the saved bios settings file into excel? I hope you're not typing that all in manually

[modern walrus]

I totally wrote it all out manually. Dammit lol

[potent fiber]

Well after 1st draft you can copy/paste quite a bit at least

[modern walrus]

ya at least I won't have to do it again I suppose

[proven canopy]

FX 8350 on LN2
https://www.twitch.tv/bonesxoc

[clever epoch]

Recommendations on either a pre-imaged bench OS (Windows 10) or what/how to disable extra stuff

Obviously windows defender and extraneous services like fax, windows store, etc

[proven canopy]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/04voq5wdbnu6wlq/21h2forks1.0.iso?dl=0 +

Don't run that script on your daily

[clever epoch]

Also noob question, what should I use to install the ISO onto the bench SSD

(preferably free)

[proven canopy]

Burn it onto a usb with rufus, install from usb

[sudden torrent]

Ooh fun

[clever epoch]

it POSTs, runs my DDR4 3200 14-14-14 kit without issues, so everything seems to be functioning. Just installing windows now

annoying that I don't get a "SP" rating, since only Asus seems to have it

[reef bridge]

dose overclocking shorten the life span of the cpu, ram or gpu?

[tall pelican]

yes*

[potent fiber]

Yes, but how much depends on clock speed & mainly extra volts. Flipside, undervolting or lower clock might extend life a bit but I'm not sure how much.

[clever tree]

Would a bios update allow me to undervolt my laptop's CPU?

(Acer nitro 5 rtx3060+i5-10300h)

[barren ridge]

Nope

10th gen locks undervolting

[potent fiber]

You can try to clock it down more or other stuff. Check out ThrottleStop.

[zenith palm]

Smh wheres the lf 420 😤

Jokes i am very jelly

[clever epoch]

ngl, I forgot that it existed 😄

I only looked at the 280 and 360, and the 360 was actually a couple dollars cheaper

[zenith palm]

Tbf not many cases even fit the 420

[clever epoch]

Yeah I'm not sure I'm putting it in a case as well either

I would like something from openbenchtable but it's so expensive

[zenith palm]

Yeah wasn't sure if you were gonna daily it just on a different os

[clever epoch]

I don't intend to daily on it tbh. Just want a fresh system to play with where I don't have to worry about stability

Doing memory OC was tedious because I could only do it on my daily. Now I have a second system to test things on, and I can use my daily system at the same time while running stability tests

Also makes it easier for me to stick the radiator in a bucket of ice water...

[modern walrus]

is there somewhere I can learn how to tune tertiaries & termination voltage (RttNOM, RttPark, RttPark, IoLat, & Round Trip Latency especially) in order to achieve higher frequencies? I can't get my 10900K to run 4000c16+ on memory with XMP at 3600c14-15-15-35.

Also (on a nominally related note), which is better bin: (a) 4000c17-18-18-38 or (b) 3600c14-15-15-35?

[lavish tundra]

Damn nice!

[zenith palm]

Fair 2nd system for oc would be nice

[tall pelican]

https://d1ebmxcfh8bf9c.cloudfront.net/u308494/image_id_2607920.jpeg right here lmao, thing is massive

[potent fiber]

You'd need a 2nd one for a 3090, lol. That's awesome

[clever epoch]

Is that an OpenBenchTable?

[weary valley]

Looks like it

I have been wanting to buy one for awhile now just never got to it

[tall pelican]

it is

[proven canopy]

Honestly, a $10 foam pad off ebay works well. BC1 is nice if you really need portable, and the build quality is great, but it's still a $200 aluminum frame.

Take an angle grinder with a cutting wheel to a cheap atx case and you have something very similar.

[tall pelican]

I had the $40 aluminum frame one from amazon, and I dont like how none of it locks together nicely. I'm happy to pay the $200 for a study frame with rad mounts

[clever epoch]

https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Bracket-Aluminum-Support-Graphics/dp/B07PVTSJ1H/
Was it something like this?

[tall pelican]

yeah, I have that at work and its not very portable

needs threadlock or something on the screws

[clever epoch]

Portability isn't a big deal. I'd move it a couple times a week at most

Although that particular one on Amazon seems to have questionable reviews. Was it that one exactly that you purchased?

[proven canopy]

It's still a great bench for ambient, but I don't think I'll use it for ln2 again.

[clever epoch]

https://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-Aluminum-GDAE10-Overclocking-Dissipation/dp/B09DK34TDZ/

This one looks reasonable

[zenith palm]

@tall pelican do you know how crucial bins their ballistix kits? like i assume the 3200cl16 kit is slightly better bin than their 3000cl15 and same for 3600 vs 3200?

[tall pelican]

all depends on the revision/model of the chip

if you dig up a thaiphoon page of the micron spd, it'll say

[zenith palm]

right i was just wondering because i was looking into a cheap kit to oc

[tall pelican]

the part number is the bin

c9bkv is the "does xyz bin"

there's others like d9vpp or whatever that does slightly worse

and I think a c9blm that's the 4400 bin

[zenith palm]

ahh okay thanks

[tall pelican]

otherwise is just whatever's on the shelf that day

[zenith palm]

id be buying online so id be chancing it then

[tall pelican]

if you can see the IC, it helps a lot

[zenith palm]

yeah all i could see would be the pics posted on amazon 🤷

literally not available in person in ireland

[tall pelican]

I'd honestly try to do the ebay special

[zenith palm]

yeah used parts kinda suck here too, would cost the same or more than from amazon

[tall pelican]

but you'd be able to see the ICs in the picture of oem stuff

[zenith palm]

yeah but ebay hassle id rather just get a new 3600cl16 kit at that point you know

[tall pelican]

up to you

my fastest stick of ddr4 is still an oem stick of reve

Fitz | flexing OEM hardware is my nickname in oc discord for a reason

[sudden torrent]

Only looking at timings, 3600 c14 is better here with 7.77ns cas vs the 8.5ns of 4000 c17

[tall pelican]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xz_rQgNFQF3Dm0yHJBzldVkal5jmfI9Ug9tnpjky5Bc/edit#gid=0

[zenith palm]

Actually scratch that there's 1 3200cl16 kit that has a non stock picture is like 25€ more than a 3600 kit new so yeah

[sudden torrent]

Forgot about that sheet for a while, thanks

[modern walrus]

I am incapable of finding an appropriate SA/IO to run this 10900K's memory at 4400mhz

even with bdie w/ XMP of 3600c14-15-15-35

I thought I sucked at AMD but heck lol

I've tried every SA/IO combination I could find in these archives of actually successful mem OCs

[clever epoch]

12700k crashes in OCCT AVX2 extreme at 5.1, 1.3V, LLC4 (medium droop with MSI?) :/

[modern walrus]

I was really excited for Fitz's cuz he has 10900K on Aorus Z590 Ultra & so do I but to no avail

[sudden torrent]

So lower your avx offset and see if that helps

[zenith palm]

hey @tall pelican sorry for ping but how much of an actual do you think i would see in lower binned vs higher binned rev e?

[tall pelican]

depends on the platform really, intel is all over the place, and on amd it will vary from 3800c14 to 3800c18

[tall pelican]

board and imc dependant, so Im assuming board

[zenith palm]

it would be on a r5 3600

[tall pelican]

on a 3600, should be light enough to do 3800, but silicon lottery might say 3733

[sudden torrent]

What's your fclk stable at is the first question I'd ask

[zenith palm]

uhh idk lemme doo some loose af testing with my timings tomorrow as ive c die, never gone above 3800cl16 on the sticks

[sudden torrent]

If it's 100% stable 1:1 at 3800 then there's your answer right there

[zenith palm]

i figured it would push 3800 but the timings would be the real thing

[sudden torrent]

It's possible but unlikely to go much higher without whea

[zenith palm]

meant to say 3600cl18 im loosing it

[modern walrus]

I have same board you did 10900K OC on

[sudden torrent]

Oh 3600 lol, that's a whole different story. Getting 3800 on c die alone would be a feat.

[modern walrus]

but silicon lottery affects more than just CPUs, DIMMs, & GPUs I assume

Aorus Z590 Ultra

[modern walrus]

I heard best way to test whether FCLK is stable is to run OCCT VRAM & Prime95 Large FFTs at the same time

[sudden torrent]

Personally I've just run occt and it triggers the wheas just fine, but p95 is good too

[modern walrus]

Ignore first sentence: "I would set . . . safe"

oh & this was helpful:

[sudden torrent]

Hmm, on my kit I've had unstable tcwl that booted so maybe less testing needed at least.

[left blade]

fbi.matt#6969 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[potent fiber]

That guy still here?

[clever epoch]

Does the MSI Z690 Edge really not get a vcore reading that's accurate? The "vcore" sensor from HWInfo basically doesn't droop at all. It's probably reading socket at best, maybe even direct from VRM

Hmm, maybe I need to mess with LLC more to make sure it's actually drooping

[lavish tundra]

:)

Smiley pot make chip happier and oc more

[dark gust]

is it safe to overclock

[zenith palm]

yes and no

when done right its safe

[bleak saddle]

does oc-ing a mobo do anything on its own?

compared to gpu and cpu

[potent fiber]

no idea, not really something I've heard of.

[bleak saddle]

fair

didn't think it was a thing

[clever epoch]

You can't really OC a motherboard. The only thing is bCLK really, and that will, by extension, affect CPU and memory frequency. But you probably won't get more than a couple percent (at best) before running into pcie/Sata issues

[bleak saddle]

nah nvm then

[potent fiber]

To me bclk is like the old FSB (front side bus), but FSB was basically a cpu thing and often the way to OC instead of changing a simple multipleir. --- well I doubt many of the younger people used 3dMark06, but checkout the FPS we can do now. All the older 3dmark programs are free so I'm messing around w/ em. I wish I had a card or 2 from each gen to compare.

[zenith palm]

Hey @proven canopy i ran your strip file on a custom install, was wondering if you knew which value i could change to enable internet incase i wanna sub to timespy or hwbot again just to avoid reinstall if possible?

[proven canopy]

Most people save the 3dmark result file and screenshot to a flash drive, then upload

[zenith palm]

Ahh okay

That works too i guess lol

[proven canopy]

ctrl f for network or dhcp etc in the config file

[twilit hedge]

How much modification of the OS are you allowed to do for hwbot?

[zenith palm]

Cheers, what value would i change tho as i was having a look and it was changing to a string value instead of on/off 0 1 etc

Maybe i was searching for wrong keyword tho

[zenith palm]

To my knowledge as much as you want

[proven canopy]

Whatever you want. Just have to use specific versions on some platforms unless you use benchmate due to timer bugs.

[twilit hedge]

Interesting

[proven canopy]

No, look at the config file and comment out a disable, comment back in the enable function

[twilit hedge]

I'm assuming modification of the benchmark program itself is a no-no?

[proven canopy]

Yeah, some expose some tweaks like affinity, large process memory, priority, calculation algorithms, batch size etc though

[zenith palm]

Ahh alright thanks

[proven canopy]

The rules are pretty common sense, e.g. you can cap mod or epower a gpu, but if you edit the vbios to make a 580 pretend to look like a 560, it's cheating

[twilit hedge]

Makes sense

[clever epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873020437263683625/925467783448391730/unknown.png

https://tenor.com/view/more-kylo-ren-adam-driver-screaming-star-wars-gif-17734637

Trying to boot into windows

I can't put more than 1.6V otherwise it doesn't POST

(vDIMM)

[zenith palm]

Is it the sticks or the board?

[clever epoch]

Board

[zenith palm]

Sadge

[clever epoch]

At least I'm pretty sure it is

I mean, it goes from POSTing just fine to no POST when only changing 1.6 to 1.65

VTT locked at 0.8

[zenith palm]

Sounds like the board, i assume you're using b die or something

[clever epoch]

Yeah, 3200 14-14-14 bin

FlareX

[proven canopy]

You have to set maxmem in windows for much over 1.6v, but that won't stop it from posting.

[zenith palm]

You have to tell windows you're running above 1.6v ram?

[proven canopy]

b-die is unstable over 1-2GB per rank at > 1.65v. Varies by sticks.

[zenith palm]

Oh right yeah i misinterpreted

[distant jasper]

Alr just downloaded 3dmark and now i care too much abt fps

Whats the best bios i could use on a 2 pin 3080?

[zenith palm]

2 8 pin?

[distant jasper]

Yes

[zenith palm]

what card do you have?

[distant jasper]

I was thinking of tuf but i think amp holo would work better since i have a trinity

[zenith palm]

https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/232349/gigabyte-rtx3080-10240-201102 probably this one

450w bios

idk if you would loose ports tho

[distant jasper]

Id actually be gaining ports

Ok

Now how do i properly overclock a cpu

I managed to get my 10900k to 5.3ghz but i never see results

[distant jasper]

Wait

Isnt that a 3pin card?

[zenith palm]

if you click that it bring you to a 2 pin model

[worldly wasp]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321348295526187018/925600398033698826/IMG_0152.jpg

[lavish tundra]

Nice delid

[proven canopy]

haha I have the same cheapo chinese solder brass

[worldly wasp]

i just need a working x79 board to test it

[worldly wasp]

hey this is hakko

[proven canopy]

11/10 english on the packaging

[worldly wasp]

its legit

the brass wool that is

[proven canopy]

I'm sure mine will disintegrate after 3 uses

[worldly wasp]

2pac also delidded it at launch

but he cracked the die

haha

[clever epoch]

I did 3900 14-15-15 @ 1.6V TM5 stable. I'm just having a lot of trouble with gear2.

It's very nearly stable. No errors until over an hour in, but I can't figure out what's causing the error eventually. I doubt it's temperature, since they never even hit 40C.

I got 4533 16-18-18 CR 1T nearly stable, but even 2T isn't stabilizing it.

I dropped RTTs, shuffled tREFI

I had to drop voltage during training in order to boot with 1.65 vDIMM because otherwise it would not train with >1.6V vDIMM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757105837163413564/925608155810005002/unknown.png

this is my life right now

[distant jasper]

Do lga 1151 ihs’s work with lga 1200 cpus?

[tall pelican]

No, different z heights

[proven canopy]

540mhz bclk oc https://hwbot.org/submission/4890147_

4850c14 5600g 1:1 https://hwbot.org/submission/4890151_

[distant jasper]

Got this message when trying to flash vbios

It didnt flash

[distant jasper]

Any idea what the issue could be?

[rain horizon]

Search for "Flash Vbios Frame Chaser" on YouTube. He flashes an EVGA XC3 and shows how to get around the BIOS not being accepted.

[worldly wasp]

[distant jasper]

It says this when i try to use the protectoff command

[timber hound]

Trying to OC my 5900X fclk up to 2k and I'm having issues, it boots into windows at auto voltage but I get WHEA errors, any suggestions to stabilize it?

Highest fclk without WHEA that I have gotten is 1866MHz

[zenith palm]

2k fclk requires a pretty good bin tbh

Also depends on your ram too

[timber hound]

Fair enough any easy way to check bin? Beyond just fclk stability?

I mean I know my 2x16GB ram uses Hynix 16Gb MJR dies

But beyond that idk

[zenith palm]

Well you can bin for different things, fclk, frequency, imc etc

[timber hound]

Fair enough

No easy way to check it beyond doing it ig

[clever epoch]

I highly recommend against auto voltage, especially on asus boards

[timber hound]

Asrock board and I have been watching voltages using HWinfo

[barren condor]

yo is anyone up rn

i need some help

[clever epoch]

https://dontasktoask.com

Just ask what you need, if somebody is able to help, they will.

[barren condor]

oh i decided it would probably be a dumb question but

how do i get rid of the red triangle idk what i did wrong

[potent fiber]

try hovering arrow on it or click it. probably says invalid driver, non-default settings or something.

[barren condor]

it says this

but idk how to fix it

[potent fiber]

Seems like just a certain driver setting. It's like soemthing in there is different, and I know you have AMD stuff but the circled restore button is an example of maybe something similar you can do. It resets it all.

[barren condor]

ok

[potent fiber]

what does this say?

[barren condor]

i trying to figure out how to get there

got it

[potent fiber]

I had a similar issue but instead of trying to hunt down a certain setting I did that restore button I mentioned. Worst case, you reinstall drivers and make/edit a profile for 3dmark

[barren condor]

it has three different settings on AMD standard high and performance

[potent fiber]

can you show?

[barren condor]

oh i can also preform a Reset too

[potent fiber]

is it like this ?

[potent fiber]

lol battery saving like it's a laptop, but it's not. On that esports button hit advanced on the left unless what's showing is "advanced".

[barren condor]

no its a pc?

i dont have a laptop

[potent fiber]

exactly. Has that Power saving button/menu for no reason

[barren condor]

oh

also Advance just stops showing the optitons

[potent fiber]

That spot wasn't very "advanced" oh, hit gaming or try that custom spot on the right

I just realized your power saving button and the rest are like profiles to set and they each probably use certain settings. Instead of Esports, hit the gaming button then try the TimeSpy. And/or try that "standard" button.

[barren condor]

this is all i have

[potent fiber]

perhaps it's this .

I know it's tough compared AMD to Nvidia settings, haha. --I added a 3dmark profile. See it's all default and/or "application-controlled"? That's sort of what we want. Also if you ever find Negative LOD Bias, I think "Allow" is usually better.

[barren condor]

that was ut

[barren condor]

lmao idk what i did

[potent fiber]

so it worked for exactly 1 run, same exactly error?

[barren condor]

yea but look at my score ima restart my pc brb

[potent fiber]

hmm, even the cpu score.

[barren condor]

i fixed it

my score is back to normal

[barren condor]

everything is fine now

[humble jay]

what's safe voltage for ryzen

[proven canopy]

Yes

[potent fiber]

It clocks like Pentium 4 , LuL. I mean the voltage it handles. Wow!

[clever epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757105837163413564/926211589634392114/unknown.png

[proven canopy]

GG

https://i.imgur.com/RAhkATE.jpg

Bought these gtx 280s from dallas, modded vcore, vdd, vddq, pll on one, just core on the other.

[dull ginkgo]

US won the country cup?

[proven canopy]

Seems like it. Scores are being checked now. Now that it's over, here's our spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l9lOYSXXi_g49ldp00g2Su4NcDWyvP_pEMohlc3Xy2I/edit#gid=1905278102

[sterile flame]

I hope I can contribute for next year's

seems really fun

[worldly wasp]

what motherboard is that

any reason why you're benching on d3?

[proven canopy]

Rampage iv extreme, yos's board. Native sli for 200 series matters a lot

[tall pelican]

https://c.tenor.com/sSwRqdgMyQMAAAAM/impossible-star-wars.gif

[worldly wasp]

wdym native? can things like x299 or threadripper not run them well?

[proven canopy]

no

[potent fiber]

Sli support/performance was highly mobo/chipset dependent

[lean pecan]

Anyone got a good oc for the asus rog strixs 3080ti?

[lavish tundra]

Just OC it yourself tbh

Its not hard

[lean pecan]

Never done it b4 lol but ok ill figure it out i just wanted an instant oc that I know works

[woven tiger]

how risky can it be to OC?

[worldly wasp]

interrsting is there a list of whats the best chipset per platform

[lavish tundra]

The one asus provides out of the box is an instant oc that works

[clever epoch]

there's no "instant OC that just works" for nvidia graphics cards. GPUs these days are pushed pretty close out of the factory

[worldly wasp]

not at all if you do it properly

[clever epoch]

The biggest thing you can do is increase the power limit. After that, it's trial and error testing

[lean pecan]

I NEED MOREE MORREEEEE

[lavish tundra]

If you know what ur doing then not risky

[woven tiger]

i have 32gb ram at 3200 a 3060 and ryzen 7 5800x think its a good system to OC? or do components
not really matter?

[clever epoch]

RAM overclocking is a whole can of worms that I wouldn't recommend starting out with

[woven tiger]

ok thank you for the tip

[clever epoch]

nvidia gpu overclocking is fairly straightforward. Possibly the easiest

[potent fiber]

I only put an "oc" on mine because stock voltage per clock wasn't as good a manual

[lean pecan]

Ram oc made my system boot loop for 30 min

[woven tiger]

probably start there then

[clever epoch]

5800X... PBO will give you the best results. Really the default boost algorithm will be the same, unless you have a really good cooler.

[woven tiger]

lian li 240 aio

[clever epoch]

Unless you run a lot of consistent multicore workloads, then a manual all-core OC could be better. But you lose single core performance

[clever epoch]

it's probably OK. Nothing special, wouldn't bother

[woven tiger]

ok thank you!

[tall pelican]

Just pbo the 5800x, no reason to all core

[potent fiber]

Tbh I'm not really sure. Been years since I paid much notice to SLi being mentioned on a mobo.

[clever epoch]

I do think advanced PBO can be interesting to play with. The real gains are from curve optimizer though, and that... is very difficult, at best, to stability test.

[potent fiber]

Ram oc can be sketch. Probably why my pc takes an extra 30 seconds on the white spinning dots even w/ an ssd.

[tall pelican]

Very few newer mobos have sli cert because:

Only high end gpus have it
Sli cert costs a ton

[clever epoch]

I've been running my system with CO for months, and I get maybe 1 crash a month that I initially chalked up to windows or my RAM OC getting raggedy. But since I disabled hardware acceleration on my browser (chromium), I've been getting consistent crashes until I toned down my CO.

This was after initially testing it with 24 hours of corecycler.

(5900X, 2x16 B die overclocked to 3800 14-15-11)

[potent fiber]

I guess I should reset my oc & bios to check on my long boot

[worldly wasp]

was mostly wondering about x299 and stuff

thought that would be the most popular platform

[lavish tundra]

Ram oc is cool

[tall pelican]

check again lmao, looks like aussies won?

[clever epoch]

RAM OC is a path to insanity and boy do I know how to run

[humble jay]

lots of scores taken down for small mistakes , but was fun, and you know we didn't actually cheat :P

[proven canopy]

It's been back and forth as the mods go check through all the subs, but for now, the USA is back on top

[faint tangle]

i love this

[left blade]

Fleymi#7145 has been warned

Reason: Duplicated text

[timber hound]

im not though

I sent an error message asking what it would mean

😔

[worldly wasp]

lol

[timber hound]

I've been messing with these trying to get a stable 2000mhz fclk, I don't think it's possible for my cpu though 😦 too many WHEA

Any suggestions before I start reducing clocks?

[timber hound]

Went with 1900 to remove my WHEA errors

[zenith palm]

most likely just not possible on your cpu, 2k fclk is pretty rare

Also you need the ram for it too

[timber hound]

Yea I kinda figured after messing around. It booted but got like 100 WHEA a minute

With tweaking I was able to drop to like 30 a minute but still

Ram is on my motherboards QVL, but is sadly Hynix 16Gb MJR dies

Not the best for OCing

[zenith palm]

Qvl basically means nothing, whats the xmp on your ram

[timber hound]

1.4v

G. Skill F4-4000C18-16GTZN

[zenith palm]

Yeah so just your cpu holding you back then best bet is to just tune it down to something like 3800 and try tune your other latencies down

[proven canopy]

Just tune for 3800c14 tight for daily

Go 4 4 16, 4 8 12, SCLs to 2, etc

Oh, nvm, mjr haha

[timber hound]

Yep 3800 (1900fclk) is rock stable so far

[timber hound]

Yeaaaaa b-die was 2x cost

[proven canopy]

Could get a 32GB kit for 150 if you look around

[timber hound]

O

[proven canopy]

16GB for 55

[timber hound]

I got my 32gb 4000mhz for $125

[proven canopy]

Not bad if you really want 4000 xmp

But if you're tuning manually anyway, meh

[timber hound]

I wanted just incase my cpu could handle. But 3800 seems to be it lol

[timber hound]

Eh was hoping for a better bin this way tbh

Kinda oops

I know more now than 1 month ago

[clever epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845104892946546728/926604648176025607/unknown.png

Bumping to 4600 produced errors. Will have to investigate later. I tried 4800 but that also errors. I think I'll have to manually loosen some of the auto timings

tRP 16 also errored :/

I guess I can try tRCD but I doubt it'll work. When I was doing 3900 Gear1 I had to bump tRCD to 15 from 14 flat

Still though, bought this GSkill FlareX kit brand now in October 2020 for $90. I'd say I got my money's worth out of the kit

(3200 14-14-14 standard B die bin)

[zenith palm]

Barely any bins do 2k fclk lol

[timber hound]

eh, was worth the yolo. I learned alot about the different settings of ryzen

[zenith palm]

Fair enough

[zenith palm]

4530 is a bit of an odd freq number for ram no?

[clever epoch]

4533

[timber hound]

does ddr5 have different steppings?

[clever epoch]

bCLK fudgery is doing 99.95 or something

[timber hound]

ah

[clever epoch]

What do you mean by this

[timber hound]

does ddr5 have different frequencies than ddr4 (where they overlap which would be 4800-5600MT/s)

[clever epoch]

If you mean different ICs, there are
Micron
Samsung
Hynix
(Worst to best)

Oh

[timber hound]

yee

[clever epoch]

Jedec minimum for DDR5 is 4800

Jedec maximum for DDR4 is 3200

So technically no

But there are halo DDR4 kits with XMP of 4800+

[timber hound]

mhm

[zenith palm]

Ahhhh makes sense

[zenith palm]

Change to fudge before the mods see

[timber hound]

was asking if ddr5 does something different than the typical +200MT/s per step (like 4800 > 5000 > 5200) or if it was something different like 4800 > 4933 > 5066 > etc

[clever epoch]

🥷

[clever epoch]

Ahhh. I'm not sure tbh. I think it's just 100 MHz steps now. I remember reading about 133 steps being dropped

[timber hound]

neat!!

[south sky]

Jedec min is 3200 for ddr5 and 1600 for ddr4.

[south sky]

ddr5 has bins 3200 to 8400 going up by 400 each time.

Above 6400 bins are not published yet though but they will be in the future

[clever epoch]

Oh wow, I didn't know there was lower than 4800 jedec for ddr5

[south sky]

Yeah there is, just rarely used for stuff

Corsair has some 4400 kits

DDR4 on the other hand is just 1600 to 3200 with 266 increments

[clever epoch]

Of course corsair has the lowest bins

[south sky]

Usually manufacturers just match supported frequency... expect corsair

DDR4 actually went to 1600 😅

[worldly wasp]

2 dimm per channel and 2 ranks per dimm per channel intel spec is 3600

(4 dual rank sticks)

(yes i know ddr5 is 4 sticks

[south sky]

Intel's ddr5 specs are dumb

2DPC 1 dimm vs 2DPC 2 dimms 1R????????

Funny how the 4800 spec is just for 1DPC boards

[sudden torrent]

I wonder when we'll see things like mixed dies on a single stick, or different timings on a single stick. I think it was arshia that teased that.

[south sky]

never

[zenith palm]

so im getting some rev e in the next few days, what is a safe voltage and temp for rev e and any other values i should change except vsoc, CLDO VDDP, VDDG CCD and VDDG IOD?

[lavish tundra]

As long as you have good airflow, 1.55 v should be ok iirc

Exact temp i dunno

[sudden torrent]

Rev.e scales with voltage almost as good as b-die. Without exotic cooling you can crank the voltage as high as it will go until it gets unstable from heat, which is typically in the 1.55v region depending on your heat spreaders and airflow. With active cooling you could do more voltage.

[zenith palm]

yeah wont be active cooling using it in my daily

@tall pelican hey how are you supposed to actually use microns spd, have tried putting in loads of model numbers etc but nothing comes up

[tall pelican]

What do you mean?

The part numbers?

[zenith palm]

yeah like what are you supposed to enter as part numbers arent working

[tall pelican]

Id use google or reddit and just "micron/crucial xxxxx"

You should also be able to tell reve based on the label

[zenith palm]

ahh okay thanks

was trying to use microns actual spd on their site

[tall pelican]

I wouldn't

[timber hound]

Does HYNIX 16Gb MJR scale this way too? Their XMP is 1.4v

I have active cooling on my ram due to my top down cpu cooler

[zenith palm]

active cooling refers to a fan basically on the ram pushing heat away btw

[timber hound]

Yep

I'll take a pic

2x 140mm 👉 👉

[sudden torrent]

MJR is a weird die. It depends on your bin how well it does, which could be 3600 or 4000. It tends to not like above 1.35v

[zenith palm]

ahh itx

[timber hound]

18-21-21-21-43, 4000 @ 1.40v was the xmp

[timber hound]

Yee cooler is the same footprint as the the mobo

[sudden torrent]

Then you've got a good bin if that's the xmp, but overclocking will be trial and error. If the voltage is too high it will negative scale.

[timber hound]

Oki will be fun to test! Thanks!!

[latent wave]

How good is afterburners auto overclocker

[sudden torrent]

It's OK for finding a starting point but it's really conservative

[potent fiber]

yep, gave me a not great but not bad 2088 core, although PL is probably a factor and I didnt max it out.

[zenith palm]

when ocing always max out pl

[potent fiber]

haha, this is a start huh . (Only used these settings for 3dmark, not gaming yet.)

[true sluice]

take that all the way to 200% power limit

[potent fiber]

120 is max PL, and Idk if I should bother upping the volts. Will take a bit more actual tuning. Currently w/ +90/+200 here's the curve.

[zenith palm]

nah you dont needa touch voltage, also i would just do + x in the gpu clock instead of doing curve

[potent fiber]

I do, I just glance at the curve sometimes. I used to lock the clock/voltage at a certain point for less fluctuations in game but for a while now just let it do it's thing.

[fringe radish]

Anybody got any recommended videos for beginner overclocking? I have a 280 mm rad and a 10700k that I want to overclock for using with a 3080ti for gaming and video/photo editing. Will it make an improvement? And is this a good pairing?

Please @ me, I may not see your reply otherwise 😅

[clear glade]

Does anyone know where to find an easy tutorial to overclock CPU? I have a asus ROG rampage black edition

[fringe radish]

Let me know when you find one lol

[clever epoch]

@fringe radish @clear glade look at the message I quoted

also

[fringe radish]

Tanks

[tall pelican]

Gigabyte lmao

[clear glade]

I keep getting over clocking failed… 4930k trying to get 4.5hz with 1.25,1.3,1.4 still doesn’t work

[potent fiber]

lul

[clear glade]

Hi guys if I wanted to do some overclocking to my 12900kf I’m planning to just get the basic Asus prime board, so I be considering a better board for overclocking purposes or the prime should be just fine?

[zenith palm]

the prime should be fine

[clear glade]

It’s the lowest one Asus Prime Z690-P though lol

[zenith palm]

Yeah z690 prime p is good

[clever epoch]

The VRM is a bit anemic, especially for a 12900k

[clear glade]

Really? It’s really basic are you sure it can overclock ok?

[clever epoch]

It can overclock. I wouldn't expect great results, especially on core

also might need to pay attention to VRM temps if you push it high

I've been using the MSI MPG Edge. It's pretty good so far. I don't have direct experience with other boards to compare, but it has 2 more stages than the Prime Z690-P, and each stage is 75A instead of 50A on the Prime P. VRM is rock solid

And memory OC is going pretty well well, at least on gear1. Gear2 is a bit disappointing so far, but it could be my sticks and/or early BIOS issues

No POST code or power/reset buttons on the board make it more annoying, but the lack of buttons is easily fixed with a screwdriver

it also has CMOS reset pins, which can also be used via screwdriver

[zenith palm]

ahh its decent especially with enough airflow

[clever epoch]

it will work, but I know somebody who got much better results with better VRMs

[zenith palm]

ohh yeah well better board is gonna oc better

[clever epoch]

He got much more efficiency with a Z690 Apex compared to... I don't remember, a lower end board for sure.

[zenith palm]

i mean yeah ofc apex is gonna oc better (if it doesnt catch fire lol)

[clear glade]

Should i go for the Asus Z690-A over the P? or maybe the ROG strix version?

[zenith palm]

ahh if you dont have it yet id grab msi tomahawk or something instead

although yeah the a is better than the p

[clear glade]

I wanted to stick with the Asus boards because of the AIO cooler bracket, we're having issues trying to get the LGA1700 bracket in Canada

[zenith palm]

arctic started shipping lga1700 since like late nov/early december in us anyway, z690 prime a looks like decent price in canada

[clear glade]

Yeah Z690 prime A seems reasonable $359 cdn, the ROG strix one is nearly $140 more...

[clever epoch]

asus LGA1200 -> 1700 conversion is not great

heard lots of issues with mounting pressures and temps

also I got a free LGA1700 mounting kit from arctic (after sending proof of purchase of my 12700k)

[zenith palm]

they seem to be including them now anyway

[clever epoch]

they are on new purchases, yes. Mostly mentioning that if you have a spare arctic AIO you can make it work

[proven canopy]

These are pretty convenient https://www.amazon.com/Warmstor-3-Pack-Desktop-Button-Computer/dp/B072FMVZJZ

I've had some cheap ones fail though, but easy enough to rewire your own or just cut the switch off and manually short the wires.

[cold jolt]

i like the sound those make

have considered building a keyboard or controller with them lol

they would fail way too quickly though

[soft dew]

Can someone explain to me like I'm 5, what overclocking is?

[bold shore]

simplest way, you overclock something in order to try and get more performance out of it

[dusky token]

So you push it harder than it’s meant to go? Or is it meant to be overclocked

[soft dew]

Like gaming at max settings?

[bold shore]

not necessarily because that also depends on what gpu you have and cpu, etc. but its like a performance boost

like an energy drink to get you up and going

[soft dew]

Or is it high performance that causes overheating?

[bold shore]

can cause overheating if you dont overclock correctly but kinda hard to do

hard to do as in hard to overheat your parts unless you just turn off the fans all together

[soft dew]

Ohhhh, got it

I imagine the inside of a PC either on fire or glowing red, but I've never heard of that happening before

Its like a last resort feature that 99% of us don't use

[modern walrus]

anyone try using this debloated windows versions for benchmarks? or recommend others? https://www.revi.cc/revios/download/alternative-downloads

[clever epoch]

check this message @modern walrus

[modern walrus]

nice thank you

everything good btw? Happy New Year

feel like I'm never in here anymore

[clever epoch]

I built an ADL test bench. Core OC is horrendous, but I've been having "fun" with memory

[modern walrus]

Core OC is bad cuz bin or what?

which CPU again?

[tall pelican]

what "cores"? even my 12600k is benching 5.1-5.2 with 1.35v

e cores are like 3.5, p 5+

[modern walrus]

oh man Fitz would I love to bore you to death asking questions about Aorus Z590 Ultra & how the heck you managed to get your memory OC so high & why I can't break out of the 4000mhz prison but I'll spare you

I found your settings in a pinned POST either here on on OC discord & tried to mimic them but got nowhere

so much to learn

[potent fiber]

@dusky token@soft dew I think a decent comparison would be turbo charging a car so it has more horsepower than the factory gave it. A by product would be perhaps less life & more heat in the engine bay. Increasing voltage is often required to reach super high clock speeds, and would of course put out more watts/heat and need better cooling. You can "OC" quite a bit w/ "stock" voltage actually. My pic is just a quick example of OCing.

[clever epoch]

P cores wall at 5.0. Even 1.35V moderate LLC, can't get 5.1 stable (OCCT SSE test, not even AVX)

also this new BIOS I just installed on my board destabilized my 4533 16-18-18 memory OC

[proven canopy]

Ran dallas's gtx 280 on ln2 for a 3rd place with vantage, going to revisit, hoping to take the from splave
https://hwbot.org/submission/4894494_forks_3dmark_vantage___performance_geforce_gtx_280_21212_marks

[zenith palm]

Or have poor cooling

[south sky]

Are you using dual rank or something?

I've found dual rank sticks to be extremely poor on the z590 ultra

With single rank sticks it's a beast, I can even hit 4533 with 4 sticks

Micron IC's will get dead spots on it though VCCPLL can assist them

IIRC on Rev.E with 2 sticks 4000 to 4600 was a dead spot for me

Nothing helped

[modern walrus]

yes 2x16gb

bdie

[south sky]

rip

[modern walrus]

but I'm pretty sure Fitz used the same kit 2x16 on his

[south sky]

Dual rank Rev.E went to 3600, b-die 4133 and e-die 4000 for me

Whereas in single rank form they all did well over 4800

[modern walrus]

I could only squeeze 4000 out of bdie... sad

actually

I could only squeeze 4000 out of DJR also

also 2x16gb

[south sky]

Yeah dr isn't fun on this board

Neither is Rev.E

1N clocking higher then 2N

[modern walrus]

I threw in the towel & settled for 4000c15-16-16-35@1.55v

which isn't much to get excited about

[south sky]

You tried 1N?

Might help

[modern walrus]

I couldn't get DJR to POST over 4000 on MSI Z490 Gaming Carbon Wifi either

command rate?

[south sky]

Yeah

The board likes it

I needed it for 4133

[modern walrus]

damn no freaking way

what's crazy about that is

I had 2x32gb MJR on there

& that board wouldn't POST XMP of 3800c18

& 1T command rate, it would need CMOS clear

[south sky]

I was hitting 4400~4500 with 1N on A3 dimms, A2 just lower

[modern walrus]

(not doubting you)

did you have to manually set Rtt or IOLs?

[south sky]

The board doesn't do it

It gives up

[modern walrus]

haha I noticed

I just don't know where to start with all those like super tertiary settings

[south sky]

You want reasonable IOL's? How about nope.

[south sky]

terts are tCCD timings, technically those ones are quaternaries

[modern walrus]

I'd be fairly happy with this OC if I could get 1T on it

and that is the first time I've ever heard the word quarternaries

[south sky]

If only you could lower those rtl's

[modern walrus]

damn & I don't even know how to lower them tbh

[south sky]

Board won't let you, at least on the bios' I've tried

[modern walrus]

I'll restart & see if it POSTs at 1T but I kinda doubt it

[south sky]

I haven't tried modding it because I cba

Interesting tREFI 👀

[modern walrus]

oh man that would be so far over my head

was surprised that held tbh

but I've probably done 10 hours of tm5 since & no issues

[south sky]

55000 is low

[modern walrus]

I thought 65k was ceiling?

I couldn't hold at 56500

[south sky]

I ram disked 163837.5ns

Which would be 327675 at 4K

[modern walrus]

tREFI you want highest number no?

[south sky]

Yeah

It's the time between the starts of refreshes

So total refresh time is tRFC/tREFI (plus some other stuff but eh, not that big)

[modern walrus]

on the DJR on MSI, it's held just fine at max 65,534

alright let me try this 1T thing haha

others have told me this board has a "hole" at 4k

[south sky]

Only really on micron stuff in my experience

[modern walrus]

so I don't really even know why it's been working at 4k for me

ah okay

are you on 11th or 10th gen CPU btw

[south sky]

10th

[modern walrus]

ah good

11th has that extra IO settings or whatever

[south sky]

I'd rather a Pentium then to destroy my pride with 11th gen

[modern walrus]

so it's apples & oranges trying to compare mem OC settings from what I gather

[south sky]

With 2x8 Rev.E, 4000 works, 4100 is unstable, 4266 is more unstable, 4350 posts but that's it, then 4350~4550 doesn't post, 4550 is unstable, and 4600 works like it's nothing. (2N)

It's not the ratio, I tested that

[modern walrus]

another thing that sucks with this board is the DRAM termination setting has to be manually set

but maybe that's typical I dunno

[south sky]

What do you mean?

[modern walrus]

otherwise I get PCIe bus interconnect errors

[south sky]

VTT?

[south sky]

Oh easy fix

[modern walrus]

trying to POST 1T with no other settings changed... probably dreaming tbh

[south sky]

At least it fixed them for me

That should solve all the PCIE errors

Around 0.95 is nice

Lower VCCPLL

[modern walrus]

will do once this thing stops making all this noise trying to train 1T

[south sky]

Did you lower or raise VTT?

[modern walrus]

I think I set VTT at 1.15 on a recommendation

[south sky]

That wouldn't be correct

[modern walrus]

DRAM Is at 1.55/SA 1.41/ IO 1.29 btw

this has been my plight thus far

[south sky]

whew

Should try tRDRD_sg and dr individually

[modern walrus]

ya I figure if I'm gonna suck at doing something I might as well have it well documented so if I learn something new I can get a sense of what I did before

[south sky]

dr should go lower

[modern walrus]

those are the ones tied to tWTRS/L?

[south sky]

No that tWRRD

tWTR isn't a thing on Intel

There is effective tWTR, which is two less then what asrtc shows

[modern walrus]

damn I dunno if it's cuz someone walked me thru it or what but AMD oc seemed so much easier

alright my motherboard is just spinning wheels let me reset & mess with VTT

[south sky]

AMD can be easier because you aren't pushing max clocks of the ram

[modern walrus]

may need CMOS clear after all that

ya true. FCLK kept me at 3800

[south sky]

And fclk instability is much nicer

Lots of AMD instability is nice

[modern walrus]

you try desync? haha

[south sky]

desync can be solid if you really push it