overclocking

[proven canopy]

Wow, this z390 aorus elite is awful to bench on, I've only ever used it as an esxi machine lol

Also it's kinda disorienting seeing firestrike at 100+ fps when I'm used to benching kepler, lol

Did you sub to the comp?

[sudden torrent]

Yes

[proven canopy]

Did you guys sub the same core count?

haha oopsie

I'm pretty tired - done for the night, but glad we all put in some points for top 20 team

Not bad for basically a last minute effort

[sudden torrent]

I hit "submit score" from the competition page and uploaded the benchmate file from there, so no reason for it not to show up

I managed to beat my best r23 score while I was at it

[proven canopy]

I meant the ycuncher score

[sudden torrent]

I officially can get 4.7 ghz all core stable with minor tweaks so that's nice

Yeah that too, same procedure

[proven canopy]

Right, but if it's the same core count, fitz's score will replace yours since it's slightly faster

[sudden torrent]

Ah I see what you mean now

I could disable 2 cores and go again

[proven canopy]

Yeah, for each stage - it's the best sub of each 6, 8 , 10 core count etc

[sudden torrent]

Unless it can't detect that

[proven canopy]

Not allowed at all

Only time that kind of thing is allowed is unlocking a chip to a higher core count - then subbing to the higher core count category

Same for gpus / shaders

Otherwise you could cut down a 10980xe to 3 cores and destroy 3 core ycruncher etc

[sudden torrent]

Makes sense

[sudden torrent]

Looks like we're 16th overall

Not a bad marathon OC night

[proven canopy]

lol, I only made one sub, was getting weirdly low efficiency in fire strike

[bleak sable]

Did you even sub for the nvidia ddr4

I see my 3080ti, 3090, and 1080

[sudden torrent]

If you have a 3090 that scored higher than mine then your score knocked mine out of the rankings

[bleak sable]

I did indeed

I was getting low subs too lol

‘‘Twas crashing more than usual might be a bad driver

[zenith palm]

Nvidia ddr4?

[bleak sable]

Yeah for the hwbot cup

[zenith palm]

What's Nvidia got to do with ddr4 tho?

[bleak sable]

It’s the name of the cup

There’s also amd ddr4

[zenith palm]

Ahh

[sudden torrent]

It means you use a DDR4 platform to bench the nvidia /amd gpu

[zenith palm]

I see that makes sense

[proven canopy]

Nvidia ddr4 was one part of one stage lol

[clever epoch]

It's game time

[zenith palm]

4266cl16

Enjoy clearing cmos

[tall pelican]

? Its just bdie

[zenith palm]

Yeah but hardly gonna run at xmp

[tall pelican]

why do you say that?

[zenith palm]

I mean mb they will daily but why bother get b die if you not gonna manually oc a bit

[tall pelican]

3:18 PM] Pato: Yeah but hardly gonna run at xmp
3:19 PM] Pato: I mean mb they will daily but why bother get b die if you not gonna manually oc a bit

[zenith palm]

Idk mb they will but i doubt it lol

Not a mind reader

[tall pelican]

its ltierally doesnt matter, the xmp timings are 16-19-19, which any modern imc can handle

zen, zen+, intel 6th gen and possibly 7th gen might have trouble, but everything else is fine

[dull ginkgo]

I think they mean good luck w ram oc, which is what you would usually OC with (hardly anyone buys b die to run at xmp), and since ram oc is often clearing CMOS, good luck with clearing CMOS -> good luck with ram oc

Not that xmp will hardly run

[tall pelican]

a lot of people actually buy bdie to run xmp just because it generally has the best xmp timings

[dull ginkgo]

Fair, but most people who buy a kit for b die buys it for oc, those who just buy the kit for being good timings might run it at xmp

Dunno, just thought Pato made sense to me

[zenith palm]

Yeah you nailed what i was on about mr1 lol

[proven canopy]

Might not be plug and play in a t top board, idk

e.g. z390

@clever epoch Get a chance to try them out yet? What cpu/board?

[clever epoch]

Yeah I've been working on them since I posted. 5900X and crosshair 8 hero (not dark)

Kind of regret getting normie hero, I can't do 3800 14-14-14 without GDM :/

[proven canopy]

gdm is fine

[clever epoch]

Also I have cleared CMOS like 5 times already lol

[proven canopy]

lol, 32 gb at those timings is pretty nice

[clever epoch]

I got up to 3533 12-14-14 but failed to boot 3600 12-14

[proven canopy]

That board doesn't have any kind of safeboot ?

[clever epoch]

It does... It doesn't work consistently

[proven canopy]

Strange, it's perfect on my m12a

[clever epoch]

Clear CMOS works pretty consistently for me, but safe boot button works sometimes

[proven canopy]

Retry is super useful as well for getting out of hard crashes

[clever epoch]

Yeah retry is nice, but a couple times I got stuck in the "in between" where it would boot but wasn't stable enough to get into bios

Or would crash shortly after

I'll see what I can get for now at 1.5V

I'll be getting a custom loop for my GPU soonTM so with the reduced heat load in the case I should be able to tighten a bit more for daily

Since b die is apparently fairly temperature sensitive, and a 3080 can put out a lot of heat...

Has anybody gotten DR B die working with 2000 FCLK? It seems that most people that can hit 2000 FCLK do it with micron ICs. I haven't seen B die pull that high with desktop ryzen

[proven canopy]

I'd just go for 3800c14 with tight subtimings lol

[clever epoch]

Yeah I know... I'm just greedy lol

[proven canopy]

There are apparently workarounds for the massive amount of wheas you get from > 1900, but idk

[worldly wasp]

ive seen 2100c14 stable with wheas

[clever epoch]

B die? DR or SR?

[worldly wasp]

b die yeah

dunno if it was dr or sr

was a binned chip cold

well

[clever epoch]

Maxmem or normal?

[worldly wasp]

semicold

[clever epoch]

Ah

[worldly wasp]

daily

[proven canopy]

Check the community zen3 memory oc results in the pins

[clever epoch]

Yeah correctable WHEAs are "fine" if you actually get more performance (there's perf overhead due to logging)

Hmm. I got a pretty decent CCD on my 5900X (does up to 5150/5100 on the best 2 cores stock), but the IMC seems average.

Tops out at 1900 with DR B die. I could POST 1933 but can't even make it to BIOS

[proven canopy]

No, I'd imagine correctable wheas in that sense would cause performance regression.

[clever epoch]

vDIMM 1.5

Hopefully no errors after ~3 hours...

I left a lot of the tertiaries at auto for now

Hopefully it passes. I'd like to get tRCD down to 13. I couldn't boot at 12, so I want to make sure 14-14-14 is stable at least

[zenith palm]

Probs your fclk limiting, should go higher if you co 2:1 ratio

[clever epoch]

I would like to try desynced and crank the clocks, but I would need a better board. I don't trust my normal C8Hero to crank the frequency that high

[zenith palm]

Most boards should do 4266 tbf

[clever epoch]

Yeah I know, I POSTed about 4500 when I was quick binning some E die for a friend, but 4266 isn't fast enough to overcome the desynced penalty, I'm pretty sure

[zenith palm]

Nah but you could try clocking higher

[zenith palm]

Btw I'd also recommend running the anta x arshia tm5 profile when done

[clever epoch]

I'm running anta extreme RN :)

I didn't know arshia had a preset though

[zenith palm]

Its not in the download folder

Gotta get from arshias doc or whatever I'll see if i can find link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14E84gJp-O66bDbBVa5I820daHMwUxJB4qA9YW92G8o0/edit?usp=drivesdk

[clever epoch]

I would try clocking higher if I had a B550 board or a dark hero. I'm fairly certain that my normal hero won't be able to stabilize at high enough frequencies to make it worth it.

I might try anyways once I get a loop for the GPU, but I'm just gonna try to tighten on 3800 14- for now

[proven canopy]

Even 4800 isn't lol

(for gaming use case) even if you didn't have to maxmem

[clever epoch]

Yeah it's definitely not gonna be easy with DR and no maxmem lol

When I get a better board I'll probably try to meme a bit for boints maybe

[proven canopy]

dr b-die is nice in that you can still run stuff like ycruncher or x265 4k with a pretty aggressive maxmem

[zenith palm]

Worth it probs not but if you feel like it for the fun of it

[clever epoch]

But getting a stable system comes first

[zenith palm]

Ofc

[clever epoch]

6 errors after 20 minutes

I cry

[zenith palm]

Rip

Thing about trying loads of timings at once is you don't know which one problem rip

[clever epoch]

Yeah... I also have moderately aggressive tRFC

I'll try again and 14-16 and leave all secondaries on auto

[zenith palm]

Good luck

[clever epoch]

Even though all my secondaries are about "safe" to "moderate" according to the DDR4 OC guide... Meh

[zenith palm]

You did set soc voltage right?

[clever epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/610602203849162772/893999910825918474/unknown.png

Yes I've been running manual vSOC, CLDO VDDP, and VDDG CCD/IOD

I was running "mismatched" 4x8 B die for a while, up to 3733 14-15-14

[proven canopy]

Do you hwbot

[clever epoch]

Barely

I did like 1 sub so I could join the hwbot discord lol

I should sub more, it just doesn't seem worth it when I generally just get lame scores lol

[proven canopy]

Try something like geekbench3

[clever epoch]

I also need to format my old drive to use as a bench drive

[proven canopy]

See what the best 5900x scores are for the newegg team

If you do make a bench drive - I recommend using macrium reflect to image it

I should make a guide on that, never seen one, and it's a massive quality of life improvement

[clever epoch]

Yeah that would be nice. I only use disk management tools maybe once every couple years and I forget how to use them by the time I need them again lol

[worldly wasp]

dark hero isnt that good tbh

[clever epoch]

better than a first release X570 board 😅

[worldly wasp]

true

just do 3800ish

3733-3900

cl14

[clever epoch]

I picked up my C8Hero same time as Zen3 so it's got a year's worth of revisions or whatever, but I doubt it means much

yeah my first run with 3800 14 flat errored out, I made it through an hour of 14-16, but I also loosened tRFC and set all secondaries/terts to auto

hopefully it was tRFC or a secondary that errored, because I'd like to get tRCD down to 14 at least, maybe 13

[clever epoch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/873020437263683625/894033069206560788/unknown.png

Errors after 10 minutes. Only thing I changed was tRCD to 14. I guess I'm cursed :/

Maybe I can try lowering ProcODT...

How good do you guys think the X570 Dark will be?

[tall pelican]

Go 36.9 proc, and what imc volts are you setting?

[short blade]

try 1075mV for CLDO VDDP/VDDG CCD/VDDG IOD imo

also you should really not change multiple timings at a time

i have not found "safe" presets in the ddr4 oc guide to be guaranteed

[tall pelican]

is 3800/1900 completely stable?

[clever epoch]

I tried 34.3 ProcODT, still errored. That was with vDIMM 1.5

I went back to 40 proc, and 1.55 vDIMM, still failed

[clever epoch]

Yeah, it was the same subtimings for my previous B die set that was binned for 3200 14-14-14, but was also 4x8 mismatched A0 and A2, so I figured it would be able to maintain those same subtimings.

They probably can, but obviously there's very few shortcuts in mem OC...

but at least I now have a baseline that I know is stable

[tall pelican]

tried 36.9 proc?

[clever epoch]

No not yet. I'm almost done testing tRP , tRAS, tRC at 14-30-44

[clever epoch]

Trying this now, also bumped up vDIMM to 1.51

[tall pelican]

You can also just bump vdimm to 1.55-1.6 for testing

[clever epoch]

Yeah still errors with ProcODT 36.9 and vDIMM 1.51

I'll try up to vDIMM 1.6 later once I get my loop in and keep the sticks cooler

[tall pelican]

oh, yeah, bdie tends to just error at X temps

do you have temp sensors?

[clever epoch]

Yeah. I test with a GPU load (3080) so they get toasty. Up to 45C

[tall pelican]

yeah, that's in the range of definitely possible to be too hot

[clever epoch]

I do have a fan blowing directly into the DIMMs but it's pretty much just GPU exhaust it's got to work with

[proven canopy]

Could rearrange your case fans/upgrade to keep the 3080 exhaust away

A while ago, I used a sheet of plastic to diy a shroud around a 2080 ti, worked well

majorharware on youtube has a vid showing how much of a difference a 3d printed cold air intake makes for a gpu

[clever epoch]

I ordered the Swiftech Boreas liquid cooling kit for a hydro copper I picked up, so once I get that, I'm not too concerned about cooling. I still have about a week until I get it though

[proven canopy]

Never heard of that liquid, what led you to choose that?

oh, a kit

Anything in there aluminum?

[clever epoch]

I don't think so

[proven canopy]

have you water cooled before?

[clever epoch]

Nah, first time setting up a loop

[proven canopy]

I would've recommended that corsair res+pump combo, some alphacool/corsair/hwlabs rads, some compression fittings

Can tell the rad housing is brass, so that's a good sign https://www.swiftech.com/images/products/detail/boreas-kit-01-800.jpg

ah

[clever epoch]

Yeah I'm pretty sure I read that the rad is copper somewhere

Yep

I've heard good stuff about Swiftech, and it was free shipping+everything I need to get a loop started

[proven canopy]

They were more meta 10 years ago, but this kit seems fine

[clever epoch]

Since I'm starting with zero; no fittings, tubing, or coolant

I looked at building a comparable kit from scratch and it's an extra $100 or so

[proven canopy]

Maybe - but better parts tbh, just depends on your budget

e.g. 1/2 zmt tubing, 1/2 compression fittings all around, a heatkiller iv block, thicker rad considering gpu + cpu etc

Check out /r/watercooling and their discord, good place to search for info IME

[clever epoch]

I'm just going loop the GPU for now. I plan to continue using my Arctic AIO for the CPU, and keep ahold of the CPU block for later

[proven canopy]

yeah, especially with the arctic's offset coldplate, good plan

[clever epoch]

Once I can get a good deal for another rad and extra fittings, I'll go for a full loop

[proven canopy]

What coolant?

[clever epoch]

Probably whenever I upgrade to AM5 or whatever. I've heard Swiftech CS is good so I should be able to contact them for a block mounting kit

[clever epoch]

Whatever their normal white coolant is. I bought extra and the kit comes with some

HydrX NF

[proven canopy]

Looks like they just use mayhems, good brand, opaque coolant can be hit or miss, some users have the particulate clump up on the microfins or elsewhere, others have no issues.

https://www.swiftech.com/swiftech-hydrx-nf-pm-msds.pdf

[clever epoch]

I hear that's an issue mostly when you use the dye mix. I don't care about that anyways, so I'm not going to use it

[proven canopy]

Anything opaque will have particles suspended it it

[clever epoch]

Passed TM5. Gonna try bumping CLDO VDDP to 0.95 and VDDG IOD to 1.0 and try tRCD 14 again

[storm wedge]

can i overclock my moniter at higher hz if i decrease the res?

[sudden torrent]

Sometimes, it depends on your panel

Not usually by much, though

[storm wedge]

i have a 60 hz 1080p people recommend to overclock it to 75hz at most , can i overclock it up to 90hz with 720p

or more ?

[lavish tundra]

nah

[storm wedge]

:(

[sudden torrent]

75 if you're lucky

62 if you're not

[lavish tundra]

^

[storm wedge]

on 720p or 1080p?

[sudden torrent]

Both

[storm wedge]

ok

[modern walrus]

I did a custom loop on my 10900K build

and got a whopping 2c improvement

thinking I'm gonna have to shove another 360 rad in there somehow

the lack of a side mounted radiator option is a major drawback to the H500P Mesh

okay well now it's looking like the Liquid Freezer 2 was a better cooling option than a loop by 1 degree c

[clever epoch]

I could probably go more aggressive with tRFC and some secondaries (tRTP, tCWL, tRDRD- and tWRWR-)

but I'm pretty happy with this. By far the fastest TM5 completion (per gigabyte)

vDIMM 1.5
not sure why Zentimings doesn't show vDIMM

[short blade]

depends on the board

mine also doesn't show VDIMM or VTT

also, looking at that time, you're making me want to get b-die

mine takes 59:57 for 16gb

and you've not even touched terts

[proven canopy]

We should get @quartz summit to auto-post these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRr2GmgiCtE

[dull ginkgo]

mmm

[sudden torrent]

There's so much good info in his videos, his tone is just a little dry and he tends to ramble.

[clever epoch]

good to play podcast style IMO. Just listen while doing something else. Or play a low intensity game and have it up on the other monitor

[barren ridge]

I was so lucky with my laptop's screen oc

80hz from 60

No frame skips

I could try pushing higher but the igpu driver doesn't allow me

It just won't detect above 80hz

[zenith palm]

80hz is nice bump

[barren ridge]

ye

[prisma arch]

what software

did you just change the refresh rate in intel graphics settings

[barren ridge]

No lol, I did it with cru, custom resolution utility

I just have to apply it with intel settings

[prisma arch]

ok

[sudden torrent]

Not bad for a first attempt, already better than the 3090. Can't wait until I get the custom loop on this thing.

[zenith palm]

[formal sable]

that s a incredib;le score

[proven canopy]

Haha you can compete with fallen now

nvm he has a 5900x

[clever epoch]

X570 dark hero open box for $315 at my microcenter. I was going to get it but I don't feel like ripping up my current system for negligible gains. I don't care much about the auto OC switch either, and I don't think I'll be able to do much better on my mem OC with it

[worldly wasp]

what mobo you have

dark hero isnt particularly good

[clever epoch]

Regular C8Hero (with wifi)

I'm just gonna wait for a deal on a X570S master if anything

[worldly wasp]

based

[prisma arch]

HOW

[sudden torrent]

I had a really bad 3090, that's how

[prisma arch]

oh

[sterile flame]

When trying to get high CPU OCs, it's usually best practice to have one or two single rank or dual rank dimms, for stability reasons, right?

[sudden torrent]

2 or 4 sticks is best, single and dual rank doesn't matter much until you get into really high performance needs like benchmarks (not games as much)

If you're only going for high cpu score 2 is best but not by much over 4

[sterile flame]

yea it's not for gaming, im just doing it to get high benchmark scores

im gonna be ocing a 5820k on a x99 extreme6, with a 240 CLC

[sudden torrent]

CPU benchmarks still need bandwidth on the memory so dual channel with 2 sticks tends to be best. There's a couple benchmarks that 1 stick could be best in some systems.

[sterile flame]

Yea thats what I thought, just wanted some clarification

thanks

[proven canopy]

Twice as many ranks per channel with all else left the same puts more strain on the memory controller, but often gives better performance in both gaming and memory intensive benchmarks.

Very rarely does anyone bench with just a single stick of memory, I've only seen that for max valid memory mhz or if someone's cpu loses a channel.

Even for max memory mhz - it's more that you're more likely to have one best stick than two equal best sticks.

[sterile flame]

Actually although It wouldnt CPU benchmark results in my specific case, my x99 board does have a bad slot, so I can only do up to tri-channel if I wanted

[proven canopy]

A bad slot? or bad channel

[sterile flame]

Bad slot

[proven canopy]

Oh, it's 1dpc? That chinese board?

[sterile flame]

lol no

hold on ill give more context later

[proven canopy]

Rare that it's the slot and not fixable with cleaning, or pins in the socket.

[sterile flame]

Sorry, something came up.

Anyway, so I had gotten that board, which is an x99 extreme6 from someone, and they said it had been sitting under their bed not being used for years. I did check the socket, which was fine, the cpu pads, which was fine, and used another 5930k in my classroom for good measure. I did try to clean out the socket when I got the chance, but haven't tested it again yet which I plan to do within the next few hours. I'll let you know how that goes

[proven canopy]

Get some qd cleaner

[sterile flame]

Yea I'll try that if it might end up helping

[sterile flame]

Yea, when I use my electric duster yesterday that must've helped. Nice

Guess my free board is totally functional after all. But to be sure I'm gonna test all sata ports, plus I have nothing else to do anyway

[proven canopy]

If one sata port on a controller works, they all likely will

[sterile flame]

Yea. I'm gonna plug in 10 drives at once though because it's fun lol

[proven canopy]

Lol, if you're that bored, get some hwbot subs in

[sterile flame]

I've never used hwbot

How does it work?

[proven canopy]

Just start with benchmate, check out some of the links in the pins

Read the rules page for each bench / check screenshots from the top subs to see what you need to include

[sterile flame]

Well I can't OC right now, not with this junky cooler that has a loose bracket, and no fan lmao

Or did you mean something else

Is that like a forum website or something

Oh alright, I see. I might use it some later after I take a deeper look at it

[clever epoch]

Anyone have a link to an EVGA 450W BIOS handy for the 3080 ftw3 hydrocopper? I can't get it to use more than 400W in TimeSpy Extreme or Superposition, and I don't even hit 70C hotspot temps (core temps below 60, memory junction also below 70).

I tried running the exes from the EVGA forums, but they seem to be for the regular FTW3 Ultra or the Hybrid, and running the tool gives me a message saying that my "display adapter" isn't compatible.

It's 3899-KR so it's not LHR variant either

Still getting decent scores I think. I appear to be benchmark stable with +75 core, and sometimes +90 core, but I was crashing in BF2042 earlier (had to drop down to +60 core). I should probably adjust the V/f curve

[clever epoch]

I have switched to the OC bios btw, and supposedly the slider goes up to 118% power, which should correspond to 450W, but I'm struggling to even hit 400W.

Although this might be due to the VRMs, HWInfo is reporting throttling due to "reliability voltage" and sometimes the max operating voltage. Time to undervolt I guess...

Yeah I've got to mess with the voltages I think. It's just running into the voltage limit or something

[faint tangle]

That looks really low for a 3080

Very low https://www.3dmark.com/search?_ga=2.239259523.1861696039.1633690252-941858248.1633690252#advanced?test=spy P&cpuId=&gpuId=1338&gpuCount=0&deviceType=ALL&memoryChannels=0&country=&scoreType=graphicsScore&hofMode=false&showInvalidResults=false&freeParams=&minGpuCoreClock=&maxGpuCoreClock=&minGpuMemClock=&maxGpuMemClock=&minCpuClock=&maxCpuClock=

[worldly wasp]

extreme

[proven canopy]

Check techpowerup

[clever epoch]

thanks. But I found out that my card already has the 450W BIOS, it's just let down by the VRM before it can reach that high it seems

[proven canopy]

It's not the VRM, lol

Maybe you have more voltage/clock/cooling headroom? Try other types of benchmarks, even furmark to see if you can make it draw 450w.

[clever epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/891003906098876446/895793047500099594/unknown.png

this is what I recorded for power/temps (GT1 = TimeSpy Extreme GT1)

I guess I should have recorded max core voltage as well

but I'm definitely not cooling limited...

I'm talking about this "reliability voltage" indicator, and the max voltage indicator underneath on HWInfo. That's why I think it's the VRM for some reason

[proven canopy]

What overclock settings? Post your v/f curve

@bleak sable You can probably beat this https://hwbot.org/submission/4632790_jasper_daniel07_geekbench4___compute_geforce_rtx_3090_1005159_points Look up how to lock p0 state

[bleak sable]

Will do later, don’t I need premium version

[proven canopy]

I think so

It's $10 lol

[clever epoch]

+60 core, +1000 on memory. V/f curve looks like this. I tuned it for a while, ended up scoring worse, and got super frustrated with the UI so I'm probably not touching the curve editor again lol

(118% power as well ofc)

[proven canopy]

+60 is a pretty low oc for max voltage

[clever epoch]

Yeah, I was running +75 though and crashed in BF2042. I also crashed intermittently in GT1 when I ran +90.

So I did try to set up the curve manually. It was a PITA, but I didn't seem to score any higher

Is there a way to edit the curve via tabular entries or something, instead of using that UI?

[proven canopy]

I would just use L to lock to a certain point for benching

[clever epoch]

That is what I did to try and optimize the V/f curve... Didn't think to do that for benching. Hmm

[short blade]

@lavish tundra @zenith palm this laptop ram might actually be a better die than my old laptop

3200c17 not bad for laptop

gonna see if I can tighten it more

I'd be stoked if it can do 3200c16

gonna try giving it more voltage

I tried 3200c16 at 1.35v and windows died

okay nope 3200c16 won't boot at 1.4

not comfortable pushing higher than 1.4 in laptop

[clever epoch]

Give thaiphoon a run? Wonder what ICs you got in there

[short blade]

thaiphoon reports samsung d-die

[proven canopy]

Can't you get a look at the ICs?

[short blade]

I don't think desktop ram rules can be applied to sodimms though

I probably could

but I'm real tired of taking this laptop apart

I don't really care

I've already found the best it'll do at a voltage I'm comfortable at

so which die it is is irrelevant

looks like it has the same weird quirk as my old laptop where tWR less than 24 cannot boot

it might be the same die as my old laptop

they're the same model just 1 year refresh difference

so I would not be surprised if they are the same die

I can't push 3200c16 at a voltage I'm comfortable with and any frequency above 3200 won't boot

so now I'll see how low I can drop voltage without destabilizing 3200c17

[proven canopy]

Why? PCB matters in some ways, but knowing the IC is always helpful.

[short blade]

because based on the testing I've already done I don't think I will get any benefit from knowing the IC

not the first time I'll oc ram without knowing the exact IC

I really wish I could actually view timings in OS though

AsrTC doesn't seem to work on this laptop

and I don't know any alternatives

I've just been using hwinfo

but it only shows primaries and tRFC

aida64 also reads my ram as ddr4-1229 63-63-63-127 lol

it also says I have 0.0ns latency

[lavish tundra]

Very nice!

[short blade]

@proven canopy do you know any alternatives for viewing timings in OS that might work?

[proven canopy]

occt, run memory test and mouse over your score

zen timings, astc

Try different versions of astc

[short blade]

tried 4.0.3, 4.0.4, 4.0.9

all failed

I can try occt later, it's currently running tm5

also would you know any better GPU stability tests? my 3080 passed 2 hours of battlefield v and 3dmark stress tests but today it was crashing in it takes two

[proven canopy]

lol, weird

GPU stability is just more varied by nature

[short blade]

I passed 3dmark stress tests at +180/+435

control at +165/+435

bfv at +135/+435

I can't use it takes two to test because it's a co-op only game and I am not gonna make my gf keep repeating checkpoints with me lol

[proven canopy]

Get a 2nd gf

[short blade]

wow, now this is some cutting edge OC advice

however I think I will have to pass as I'm quite fond of my current one

[short blade]

@proven canopy do you think being on windows 11 could be messing with asrtc?

and aida64

or hardware thing

[proven canopy]

yes

[short blade]

this laptop came with windows 11 so i didn't bother to downgrade it

[clever epoch]

did you overclock your playstation?

[steel oriole]

Why did my phone put me in overclocking

[sudden torrent]

Because it wants you to overclock and benchmark your phone processor?

Which is totally possible on android btw, and some apples

[steel oriole]

I was posting stuff about my ps5 in general then all of a sudden I was here and didn't realize it

I should overclock my phone

[sudden torrent]

Most people don't need to except for the flex

[steel oriole]

I overclocked my 2080Ti to heat my house in the winter and it worked

[sudden torrent]

That's how I've always done it. I never pay for heat in the Winter. My gas bill doesn't change much.

[short blade]

no, the only console I have is a switch

and overclocking that is gonna do nothing

it'll still lose to gt 710

I overclocked all my laptops though

@lavish tundra @zenith palm surprisingly 17-17-17-37 seems to be stable on the laptop

my old laptop could only do 17-19-19-39

[lavish tundra]

breh

[short blade]

too bad I can't get the cl down to 16 no matter what

I even decided to try 1.45v and no dice

it's doing 3200 17-17-17-37 at 1.25v

1.25v to 1.45v doesn't seem to give any benefit

my old laptop would start negative scaling after 1.25v

this one just seems to stop caring but not scale negatively

anyways by laptop standards 3200 17-17-17-37 is already really good so I won't be too sad that I can't get cl16

might just be PCB bottleneck cause of sodimm form factor...

[zenith palm]

Pog

[clever epoch]

That was in response to "lonewolf" who posted images of his Xbox/PlayStation in the channel accidentally lol

[worldly wasp]

[proven canopy]

yosarianilives — Today at 11:18 AM
Okay guys it's under construction, find ways to break the stages and let leeg know lmao https://hwbot.org/competition/Country Cup 2021

I should make a pingable, opt-in hwbot role

[sudden torrent]

Not a bad idea

Or just manually assign one to team members

[proven canopy]

React to this if you want the hwbot role

[zenith palm]

Idk if I'm missing something but i don't see any rules so how could we find ways to break it lol 😅

[proven canopy]

(look for any issues you see)

Like loopholes people could exploit outside of the spirit of competition

[zenith palm]

I was looking but couldn't see rules anywhere? Idk mb it's a weird thing on mobile not showing up or something

[sudden torrent]

On this one https://hwbot.org/competition/Country Cup 2021 - AMD CPU/stage/5322_superpi_-_32m_with_benchmate_-_ddr4

Supposed to be DDR4 but wtf is SGR

[proven canopy]

yeah, lot of people noticed that haha

[sudden torrent]

It's also on stage 3

And I guess Intel doesn't have 6 core processors

And some of the stages show they're open already

No limits on any of these seems odd

[proven canopy]

It's a work in progress

[sudden torrent]

[zenith palm]

Just use the amd intel 5400xkfgs

[clever epoch]

RE: My issue with the 3080 HC refusing to pull more than 400W despite plenty of thermal headroom

Do you guys think it could be because two out of the 3 8-pins are connected from the same PSU header? IE there's a splitter connecting 2 of the 8pins (the 3rd one is connected independently to the PSU). I had my 3080 strix connected like this and it had no issues pulling 450W, but maybe it's triggering some protections on the card's VRM? I'll probably add another cable and try running all 3 8 pins independently to see if that might do something.

[zenith palm]

could be, 8 pins are rated at 150w and nowadays they got a bit of headroom so if only 2/3 connected realistically that leaves you with 150+150+75(slot) but considering the headroom i could see how it would go up to 400w, worth a shot tho

[clever epoch]

The big thing is that the setup worked fine with the strix, which pulled 450 when set. Maybe differences in VRM/pin order is causing some safeties to kick in on the HC

[zenith palm]

Possibly yeah

[orchid flame]

@proven canopy yo

You still going to country cup?

WTF KUST HAPPENED

[proven canopy]

?

[orchid flame]

That message

Also are you still flying out to Yos?

[proven canopy]

Must be your unstable oc

[orchid flame]

It’s a phone

[proven canopy]

Driving, but yes

[orchid flame]

Nice

Didn’t you cancel cause Dave wasn’t going?

Or was that Brutus

[proven canopy]

.. I don't think either of us have/would do that

[orchid flame]

Dave green

Lol

And yeah I swear one of you two cancels

[brisk hound]

Does anyone know of reputable software like msi afterburner but for Linux?

[zenith palm]

if youre on amd use the built in tool in the drivers, not sure about if you doing nvidia and if you are why torture yourself like that x)

[brisk hound]

I am on nvidia 🥲

[clever epoch]

all 3 8 pins are now connected by independent cables from the PSU. Made no difference

Also tried locking the v/f curve to the highest attainable point, didn't matter

[proven canopy]

Do you have the up9511 or ms2888a pwm controller

[clever epoch]

I do not

[proven canopy]

Weird, what does it use?

[clever epoch]

I even disconnected my 2nd display for this run

[clever epoch]

still hits about 400W

[proven canopy]

I meant what pwm controller is on the card

[clever epoch]

oh, I don't know

[proven canopy]

Older 3080 use the up9511, had issues with power balancing, newer cards switched

Stress the card and look at gpuz sensors

[clever epoch]

what should I be looking for in particular?

[sterile flame]

@proven canopy random question, when might your next OCing stream be?

[proven canopy]

Idk, maybe tonight

I have some dr rev.e to bin, some dr b-die, but I need to put the waterblock back on the 10900k

Unless people want to watch me smash some records with the r940

But those are kinda meaningless

Also reboots take about 10 minutes...

[sterile flame]

ive been getting more and more interested in actually investing time into learning how to properly OC (mainly CPUs right now), and how to manipulate CPUs to get higher clockspeeds, scores in a given benchmark, etc. but obviously in order to learn more i want to watch someone who knows what they're doing lol

[proven canopy]

There's not much to cpu oc on intel for benching, but memory is very complex

[sterile flame]

hm okay

[proven canopy]

Most cpu benchmarks scale with memory

[sterile flame]

makes sense

ive been wanting to do some chilled water OCing relatively soon-ish with my extreme6 board and 5820k

[proven canopy]

Those do real well on ambient water tbh

[sterile flame]

I recently ordered a 360clc aswell

yea i figured as much, but i just want to go as far as i can

plus it'd be really fun so why not

i got lucky with the 360 rad too, managed to get one for 74 bucks, lightly used

otherwise i would've just gone for the 240clc which is 70 bucks rn

[sudden torrent]

Discord has been acting up a lot since the last update, I've seen this a lot

[sterile flame]

discord is always having issues

or maybe it just doesnt like my system

[modern walrus]

finished 10900K loop. Even with two 360mm rads, 10900K runs average temp of 78c & max temp of 88c (VRVOUT @ 1.306v, 5.1ghz all-core, 4.9ghz ring, & AVX offset at 0)

not sure how I can get it much better than that w/o LN2, de-lid, or whatever the fancy name for sanding the back of the CPU is called

[sudden torrent]

Lapping

[proven canopy]

Your mount sucks

[sudden torrent]

That's my guess too

[proven canopy]

Also, when asking "is this temp ok" state power draw, vrout is useful, but not without knowing current

My 10900k ran cooler than that with a gravity mounted gammax 400..

[sudden torrent]

gravity mounted lol

[proven canopy]

I like to test my chip after an ln2 session just to know I didn't potato it

You can POST with just your finger on the ihs, but not much more

[sterile flame]

tsss

[modern walrus]

power draw is 278 I think

so bin sucks or I suck? haha

Probably don't wanan know the answer to that question huh?

[sterile flame]

what's stock power draw?

[modern walrus]

Current (IOUT) 189amps. POUT: 248w; Power Input 261w. CPU Power Package 276.489w.

I'd have to load optimized defaults to check

so give me like 5 minutes

[sudden torrent]

Is that post-tau draw?

[modern walrus]

If I said I knew, I'd be lying to you

I'll screen shot optimized defaults then load profile again & screen shot

[sudden torrent]

Intel chips have a higher power limit for a short time when boosting by default

So if that's the power draw after about 3 minutes of load, it's post-tau

[modern walrus]

This is on CB R23 btw. I don't even know if I can run prime95

load as in startup or load as in 3 minutes into benchmark/stress test?

[sterile flame]

would running prime95 even be practical though

[sudden torrent]

Not in this case

[sterile flame]

i only ever run p95 when i wanna see how hot my cpu can get lol

[modern walrus]

should I run stock settings on prime95 for baseline?

[sudden torrent]

OCCT AVX test for 5 minutes would be plenty to test max power and heat load

[modern walrus]

or just stick with R23?

okay will do that then

[sudden torrent]

P95 is ok but not realistic or useful in this case

[proven canopy]

Almost everyone who runs intel manual oc disables all of those limits

[proven canopy]

Not by default, you'd have to set "extreme" or "all threads" or something, idk

[modern walrus]

AVX2 instruction set or AVX?

[sudden torrent]

Oh was it a manual OC? I must have skipped over that

[modern walrus]

yes manual 5.1 all core

[proven canopy]

Lol - nobody who knows what they're doing runs anything but

[sudden torrent]

Ah well then you're not boosting so max draw is max draw

[proven canopy]

Adaptive could be ok, but not worth it

[tall pelican]

smells like you need some DD in your life

[proven canopy]

There is no boost if you set a fixed ratio

[modern walrus]

Data set: small; Mode: Extreme; Load type: Steady: Instruction set: AVX2; Threads: Fixed, Threadcount: 20

[proven canopy]

Personally I'd just run yrcuncher, lol

[sudden torrent]

That'll do

[proven canopy]

10b

[tall pelican]

278w for 10900k in small avx2 sounds very wrong

[proven canopy]

Yep, ^^

[tall pelican]

not even just temps, but it should be pulling much more power

[sudden torrent]

He hasn't run the occt test yet, That was R23

[modern walrus]

sorry that's what I was about to run at stock settings for baseline

[proven canopy]

Also, 8 numa node x265 ...

[modern walrus]

should I run large data set instead?

[proven canopy]

You're missing the point of what fitz said

[modern walrus]

oh

I thought it did not yet apply since I haven't run the stress test yet

278w was on CB R23

7-8 months of this I'm still clueless... heck

[tall pelican]

first off, if you have POUT, IOUT and VR VOUT, ignore vcore and cpu package power

[modern walrus]

okay thank you I will

[tall pelican]

vcore = vid table
cpu package power = vcore * current (and as shown above, useless when setting a voltage)

[modern walrus]

is it normal that OCCT large would run VRVOUT at 1.349v on stock settings?

[tall pelican]

yeah

[modern walrus]

cores are running at 4900mhz presently

[tall pelican]

llc on default too?

[modern walrus]

yes I loaded optimized settings

so everything should be as board comes I believe

[tall pelican]

then that's fine, that's going off the vid table

while at stock, just run p95 small with either avx or avx2

[modern walrus]

okay will do that next

just finished OCCT

[tall pelican]

large data sets are useless for stock unless you're testing memory stability

[proven canopy]

oh man that vdroop

[modern walrus]

prime95 running now small FFT

highest core temp already 86c (max)

scratch that 87c

[tall pelican]

and POUT?

[modern walrus]

279

@ 4800mhz/core

[tall pelican]

ehhhh its on the warmer side

[modern walrus]

this is not good considering running loop with two 360 rads dedicated to CPU

Is it strange that POUT is same for stock settings & overclock?

91c max

Kingpin KPX pasted too

[tall pelican]

welcome to power limits

[modern walrus]

power limit is 4,095 on HWiNFO

up to 282w on POUT

makes sense I can't even run this with OC in place lol

[tall pelican]

are you running avx or avx2?

[modern walrus]

this time I'm running prime95 small fft

I thought you said to run p95. I must've misunderstood

[tall pelican]

there's an option in p95 for avx vs avx2

[modern walrus]

I may have older version

[tall pelican]

you see on the bottom?

[modern walrus]

ah okay above is settings I ran it at

so includes AVX2 I believe

[tall pelican]

so you ran avx2

[modern walrus]

Yes

I did not disable

[tall pelican]

is ram at 2133 auto?

[modern walrus]

yes

[tall pelican]

enable xmp

[modern walrus]

all stock, no XMP or anything

okay will restart now

[tall pelican]

should get more bandwidth for avx instructions, and you'll tell if its power limit or just coincidence

[modern walrus]

normally I run OC RAM at 3400c16-19-19-39. XMP is 3200c16-18-18-38

okay just enabled XMP waiting for boot

[clever epoch]

ok I've installed EVGA firmware (450W limit) into both normal and OC BIOS slots, reinstalled drivers after that, used afterburner and precision X1 to try and set power limits, and the card still refuses to use/report more than 450W.

At this point I'm convinced that there's something super fucky going on, or that the card is just misreporting power by 50W to HWInfo and is actually pulling 450. Unfortunately I don't really know how to test that, and I doubt I have the tools to do so atm.

[modern walrus]

on which card? Even with OCCT Power test I never pull more than 399w 3080ti

[clever epoch]

Maybe using DDU will help? I don't know, I doubt it at this point. I'm half tempted to find the 1000W bios and try that

[clever epoch]

EVGA 3080 FTW Hydrocopper

[modern walrus]

damn well in all honesty, I wouldn't even know where to start trying to change power limits on GPU so my bad for even asking

[clever epoch]

AFAIK you have to find a vBIOS with the power limit you want

[proven canopy]

What did the gpuz sensors tell you?

[clever epoch]

I didn't look at those, I'll try again

[proven canopy]

I mean, you can set it in AB ofc

[clever epoch]

also I'll try OCCT power as well I guess

[proven canopy]

furmark + gpuz sensors is how I'd test this

[clever epoch]

I mean setting power limits beyond what is allowed in vBIOS

seems like I uninstalled furmark a while ago, I'll try that

[modern walrus]

prime95 w/ XMP enabled. +2w max bump

max temp 91c

[proven canopy]

Also check in gpuz what your actual set power limit is

[clever epoch]

0_o

[modern walrus]

So my mount must suck

then again, maybe Corsair Hydro X is cheapest CPU waterblock for a reason...

I find it strange that max temps on stock are very close to max temps on OC but that might just be the ignorance talking

[clever epoch]

even GPU-Z only reports up to 390W with furmark. It's 380W if I run my native resolution (1440p/QHD)

[modern walrus]

what the heck GSOD on OCCT now with OC loaded lol

just when ya think you're getting somewhere... heck

looking like I ought to settle for 5.0ghz all-core

or perhaps -1 AVX offset I dunno

[clever epoch]

I think AVX offset is the strat

[modern walrus]

dropping to 1.285v & getting WHEA errors

upped LLC

Probably will mean crazy high temps huh?

holy crap jumped to 1.345v no bueno

gotta drop vCore

ended up getting name brands at discount prices

at TJ Max

[proven canopy]

I meant look at each rail and see if anything looks funny

etc

[clever epoch]

the 3rd 8 pin seems to pull way less power than the rest

I'll check voltage of that rail on GPU-Z

[clever tree]

is there any possible way to undervolt an i5 10300h

or reduce temps without stopping boosting

because 95c is not nice

[clever epoch]

ok so 425+ Watts is possible... with OCCT

why I can't trigger that much power draw in a benchmark... I don't know

[modern walrus]

well you've had more success than me. I set -1 AVX offset and frozen computer 2x

apparently LAN port is gone now lol

[modern walrus]

There's a program called ThrottleStop that gives you ability to play with settings more on laptops but I haven't used it extensively so I can't vouch for it anymore than to say it exists

[clever tree]

i have tried that but the only thing i can do is turn off boosting

becuase i cant adjust fivr or max clocks

:(

[modern walrus]

I think I ran into the same issue trying to use it on my laptop

& it was late so I gave up messing with it

& haven't since

ah good ethernet is back

[clever epoch]

that's probably because you're running a BIOS with plundervolt mitigations; they disabled undervolting on laptops during production of 10th gen mobile parts because of an exploit where reducing voltage too far could leak secrets from the processor.

[clever epoch]

sounds like you have a BCLK overclock maybe? Also increasing the AVX offset did that?

[modern walrus]

I can't explain it but it came back after restart

I'm thinking I should do OC where it does max 5.2 for 2 cores, 5.1 for 4, etc

does that actually work? I've never gotten it to

[clever epoch]

I don't think you want that. It just sets descending frequency limits as cores are loaded. Probably less effective (and a lot more tedious) than all core OC

[sudden torrent]

Watch hwinfo during the benchmark and it should tell you if it's throttling and what the cause is. Judging from 12v voltage being at 11.9 it might be "reliability voltage".

[clever epoch]

it does say that at times, but I'm not sure why it's doing it now, when the 3080 Strix pulled 450 just fine

maybe my D5 pump is pulling too much voltage?

[sudden torrent]

Not likely. How old and what model PSU do you have?

[clever epoch]

New (got it march this year) Enermax DF 850W

[sudden torrent]

Hmm. It should be sufficient unless there's some other problem at play then. What's your idle 12v read at?

[clever epoch]

Reads fine running a mid intensity game (fps capped so card isn't fully loaded)

[sudden torrent]

Ok, but what about idle? If it's idling at like 12.2 dips to 11.9 could be bad for the voltage regulators, causing the throttling.

[modern walrus]

well 51 all-core is too hot apparently even with two 360s & a 1260L/hr pump

one of the 360s with 3x Delta fans

[proven canopy]

Nah

[clever epoch]

Maximum delta on 8-pin #2 from 12.064V to 11.902V, a delta of 0.162V

[sudden torrent]

Ok so that shouldn't be too bad of a voltage dip at least, but I don't like the look of that 11.73v

[proven canopy]

11.7 is pretty low yeah

[modern walrus]

but then again "too hot" is when I run mega stress tests like OCCT or prime95. CB & gaming maxes out like 88c... so should I care that it'll throttle in unrealistic scenarios?

maybe switch the rails on the PSU to see if that rail stays low?

[clever epoch]

if you know you're not gonna load it that hard then it's fine I guess... but I'm pretty sure you're limited by your block/mount/airflow situation than your rads or pump

[modern walrus]

or swap one of the PCIes for CPU extra power? I believe on my Enermax Rev DF 850 at least one slot is interchangeable for CPU extra power & PCIe

[clever epoch]

unless you've got a bunch of air in your loop somehow?

[modern walrus]

I guess it's possible in CPU block because it's not transparent but otherwise I ran it awhile open to let out air

maybe I should do the old tilt shakedown to see if I can get more out

but output from CPU block goes up

so gravity ought to take the bubbles out

[clever epoch]

tilt and shake for a while should help, also running your pump at max speed for a few hours (maybe a day)

[modern walrus]

I set it to max all the time

which may not be great for pump... should fix that I suppose

but rn pump is at 4,821 rpm

[sudden torrent]

Personally I wouldn't like it being that high on a custom loop for sure, but I do a lot of benching and testing. I'm hoping to get a 540mm+360mm setup myself. Overkill? I hope so.
If you're just gaming and it doesn't get that high normally, it's not a bid deal.

[modern walrus]

and coolant temp in pump is 27c

[clever epoch]

yeah that's about the max for my D5 in my Swiftech res/pump combo

[modern walrus]

my other build has dual D5

foam galore

I set minimum to 75% on that one

presently running 4,005 RPM yet coolant is 35c

but coolant is measured about 8" from the output of the CPU block

whereas on other loop it's measured in the pump which has two 360s ahead of it then goes to CPU

so apples & oranges I guess

[sudden torrent]

Yeah that's not a fair comparison. Can't compare liquid temps before to after passing through rads.

[modern walrus]

If I try to set like 50 for all core but 53 for single core, it just straight up ignores me & does what it wants

[clever epoch]

I'd be tempted to RMA my 3080 to see if EVGA can figure it out, especially since the core on it seems pretty poopy for OC, but I'm pretty sure it's more hassle than it's worth to clear out the loop at this point

[modern walrus]

I can only add +120 to stay stable on my EVGA 3080ti

pretty crappy

and +780 on vram

then again that was playing avengers on 4k

and that game is hard to configure on 4k

I gave up

[clever epoch]

+75 is unstable in games on my 3080 😅

[modern walrus]

kept crashing

oh damn ya that's not so good

I can get it to run +165 for port royal

yet my score for Timespy is horrrrrrible

I think that's background crap causing that tho

need to restart to win10 benchmark SSD & figure that one out

[proven canopy]

I highly doubt it's air in the loop. Sounds like a bad mount to me

[modern walrus]

damn well

It can't tighten anymore without it feeling like I'm forcing it

only thing I can think of is maybe it's being messed up somehow by the pipes attached to it

[tall pelican]

air in block = 0 cooling

air in loop = audible gurgling

[modern walrus]

no gurgling

I just tilted it in all four directions

nearly 90 degrees

didn't hear any bubbles

I'm getting slightly better temps than I did with Liquid Freezer II

with twice the amount of radiators go figure

[tall pelican]

welcome to specific heat capacity vs dissipation

[modern walrus]

Well I'm thanks for the welcome but I've no idea where I am, how I got here, or where to go now haha

[faint tangle]

i was able to do 150 on core and 1100 on mem

with 104 power limit

gigabyte gaming oc pro 3060 ti

[proven canopy]

If your pump is moving anywhere near the amount of water it should be, any air in the block won't be in a place where it'll interfere much with cooling.

What's the cpu cooling setup again?

If this is an aio - your temp/power numbers seem fine to me, idk

[modern walrus]

GPU (RTX3070, no issues) crappy EK 350L/hr SPC pump & 140mm radiator with one 140mm pull fan.
CPU (10900K): Corsair Hydro X waterblock; 16mm OD PETG; 1 360x28mm barrow radiator w/ 2x Thermaltake Riing 200mm fans (push) & 2x 120mm cheap pull fans (pull--cannot fit 3rd because of pumps) on front of case; 1 360x27mm Thermaltake radiator w/ 3x Delta AFC1212D-PWM (push) 3x top fans are decoration (i.e. rgb plugged in but fans aren't) on top of case; and Barrow 1260L/hr D5 pump

[proven canopy]

I'm used to numbers from a heatkiller iv, d5, 420mm 60mm alphacool, kpx, 24c ambient, so maybe that explains it (10900k, m12a)

[modern walrus]

coolant inside the pump is usually around 27c

[proven canopy]

That's a good liquid temp

[modern walrus]

KPX kingpin thermal paste

ambient is about 70-72 degrees. Give me a second to see what that is in Celsius

[proven canopy]

I don't know anything about the corsair block, figured it was decent, just maybe not as great as an hk4

[modern walrus]

22-23c ambient

seems like the rads & pump are doing their job based on water temp

[proven canopy]

In the time that you typed that you could have - alt tab, ctrl t, "72f in c" , ctrl w,

[modern walrus]

oh nice I didn't know that. Thank you

so it must be either you're right about my mount being crap

or the block isn't that good in general

and probably the former is more likely

maybe I've overtightened it such that the thermal paste is pretty much forced off

any chance that's the problem?

oh and in H500P mesh case which isn't terrible for air flow

[proven canopy]

No, unless it's warping the block or something

[modern walrus]

guess that's just as good as it's getting then

[faint tangle]

Pbo gave me a whole 4pt boost on single core

R23

21 on mc

[sudden torrent]

That's within margin of error
Did you only enable it or did you bump the power limits too? Just increasing the limits alone should get you a couple hundred

[modern walrus]

how high is too high on power limits? just whatever you can cool?

I dropped mine to 175 because it was getting past 80c

185 would get me up to 84c on R23

[sudden torrent]

84 is still within operating temp

The optimal limits will vary based on your board and cpu bin

My motherboard has a nice "motherboard limits" setting where MSI has tested what works well with the VRM. For me that's 1000 PPT, 114 TDC, and 180 EDC.

[modern walrus]

I had to set motherboard limits to 120% to allow higher numbers

I think motherboard limit was like 95/130 EDC/TDC

[sudden torrent]

Oof you probably have iffy VRM if I had to guess

[modern walrus]

well I got a 92mm Noctua blowing on it now without any issues

probably gonna eat those words now knowing my luck

[sudden torrent]

That'll help a bit

[modern walrus]

Asus B550-F wifi... not a spectacular motherboard but not super cheap

[sudden torrent]

Hmm that one is supposed to be at least as good as mine, if not better

I don't think the VRM will be your worry then

[clever epoch]

It's probably not healthy but I'm partially upset at not being able to hit the set 450W power limit... I'm tempted to "borrow" a power supply from Amazon to see if a different power supply would fix it

[proven canopy]

I thought you saw 450w in gpuz

[clever epoch]

No, ~425W using OCCT, GPU-Z showed similar numbers as HWInfo

Can't hit those numbers with any actual bench I've tried so far. 3DMark stuff (haven't tried port royal I guess), Superpos, even Furmark barely goes above 400

[proven canopy]

What v/f in those tests?

Also core/hotspot temp

[clever epoch]

Card tops out at 1.081. when I try to lock a voltage higher, I notice the "voltage limit" pop up in HWInfo and GPU-Z.

I can see up to 2040 MHz, sometimes 2055 in TSE GT1

Core is usually under 60C, hotspot 70C or less. Only time it went higher was in Furmark, when it might have hit 75 hotspot if I left it running a while

[proven canopy]

Max of 1.081 set is probably an unrelated issue, but my guess is the power limit / balancing problems are from the up9511 controller

[clever epoch]

VRAM doesn't even hit 70 from what I've seen

[proven canopy]

I bet evga would rma it

Especially if you say you want to play new world on the card

[clever epoch]

Hmm...

[proven canopy]

lol, you should be seeing more like <20c core to air delta with a waterblock

[clever epoch]

RMA is going to be annoying but... It does bother me a little

[proven canopy]

I had friends with 2080 ti's + g12 aio +LM doing 500+w at 11c delta

They'll cross ship you a card

[clever epoch]

The air exhausting from the rad gets pretty hot, so idk lol. I guess I could grab one if my meat probes to see what the temps are

[proven canopy]

If the air out the rad feels hot you need more fans or more rads

[left blade]

eraser1#4351 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[clever epoch]

Gah silly bot

[clever epoch]

Yeah that's another $150 dip that I'll probably take eventually, but maybe not yet lol. I'm pretty happy with my Arctic AIO, and my next expansion will include putting on the Swiftech Apogee block I got from the kit

[proven canopy]

What are the specs of your gpu loop again? I forget

[clever epoch]

Anyways, I was saying that I wouldn't mind another card because the core on this one seems to clock like 💩 . The only downside is that the memory controller seems crazy efficient from a mining test I ran to see how good the VRAM cooling was. I hit 460 MH/J which is like 3070 level

[proven canopy]

That's normal for v/f tune core underclock + memory oc on 3080

[clever epoch]

Got the Swiftech Boreas kit, so a D5 pump with a pretty tiny res, using their Maelstrom NF coolant (no dye), 360mm rad with triple 120mm fans (also from Swiftech)

The fans run up to 1900 rpm

[proven canopy]

Maybe a bit better than normal, but you're only saving so many pennies per day between good and great efficiency on a single card like that

[clever epoch]

I didn't put a lot of effort into it. The 3080 strix by comparison only did like 420, maybe 430 if I went for efficiency

Yeah that's true

And the water cooling probably helps pump efficiency a bit

[clever epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/757105837163413564/897252873509928960/unknown.png

Fastest TM5 Extreme run with 32GB I've done

Although now I'm switching to the 1usmus config, I extended it to 300% completion and 10 cycles

[modern walrus]

is SOC voltage like Core voltage? i.e. avoid >1.300v? Also, anyone mess with LLC for SOC voltage for mem OC?

[sudden torrent]

Intel or AMD? The answer is very different depending on the CPU and board in use

[clever epoch]

1.2 vSOC for Ryzen 3000 and 5000 desktop chips seems to be about the limit

Often no/diminishing returns after 1.15

[modern walrus]

weeeee arrreee the champions my friennnddd

Thank you both. I had it at 1.31 at one point

as usual Ryzen OC is not as simple as Intel

[sudden torrent]

1st of 1 lol
At least it counts

[modern walrus]

Does this actually help newegg in any way? lol

[sudden torrent]

And 5.2 team points

More popular hardware is worth more points but every bit helps

[modern walrus]

lol is that good?

and like infinitely more competitive but hahaa

I'm running every benchmark on benchmate to get these little cheap points

[sudden torrent]

Well you've got more team points than me so yes?

[modern walrus]

Forks is gonna think I'm a clown

like usual

hahaha

[sudden torrent]

Fitz has almost 3k points so we're all clowns to him

[modern walrus]

ya well he & Forks are probably the only two people who if someone told me they knew more than you did about computers I might believe them

[sudden torrent]

They've certainly got a broad range of knowledge between them, that's for sure

I won't lie, I've learned a lot from them

It's nice being able to put that learned knowledge to a number as well, and seeing my overclock scores get higher over time

[modern walrus]

I've had a breakthrough here & there but I largely end up frustrated

but I've come to accept that trial and error are as inevitable as needing help

It's hard to walk the line of wanting to get better and not being that guy making it sound like "hey do this for me because I'm too lazy to figure it out on my own."

It's hard to find reliable info. I need to stop clicking on reddit even if it's seems to be the only relevant search result

[sudden torrent]

Don't think of it as being lazy, think of it as you're learning it so you can similarly help someone else later

[modern walrus]

reddit and this one website called like his evilness

have you ever seen that website?

[sudden torrent]

No

[modern walrus]

https://www.hisevilness.com/

I mean maybe he is right

but I've come here with how I interpreted what he's said sometimes

and had people be like where are you getting this nonsense?

[sudden torrent]

Some people know just enough to fake that they know more

[modern walrus]

https://hisevilness.com/articles/technology/overclocking-guide-for-ddr4-ram.html

like I wanna read it to find parts that are just wrong

but I also don't wanna confuse myself

[sudden torrent]

The first page there is pretty accurate, 4 sticks does put more strain on IMC than 2 larger capacity sticks. Some of the terms are used wrong, though.

Seems to be using ranks and channels interchangeably which is not technically correct

[modern walrus]

is this correct?

the part where I shuold leave SOC on Auto?

[sudden torrent]

In most cases, yes. If you have stability problems with fclk increasing the offset a bit can help.

[modern walrus]

how much do WHEA errors matter? Mine are nearly universally CPU Bus/interconnect errors but they're correctable errors. i.e. should stable memory OC throw zero WHEA errors?

[short blade]

when i first got my 3800c14 profile stable

it would throw like 30 whea errors at boot and then never whea after

eventually that also stopped happening

i sometimes get 1 whea on boot but not always

it doesn't really affect anything

as long as you're not seeing degraded performance or anything

[modern walrus]

like here he's saying use LLC 3

ah okay

because earlier

[sudden torrent]

Level 3 LLC is ok

[modern walrus]

I was trying to redo the settings everytime I got even 1 WHEA error

I should've just ran TestMem5

right now I'm 1 hour, 34 minutes into TestMem5 on cycle 3 with zero errors

[sudden torrent]

If you're just gaming then an occasional corrected error is not a problem, but if you're doing something critical it can hurt

[modern walrus]

but that's only at 3866

if WHEA errors are tolerable I might actually be able to run 4000 with FCLK at 2000

but kinda getting scared that I said that

and waiting for the tail end of cycle 3 to start machine gunning errors at me

is geardown mode worth it? Giving up odd number tCL for stability?

[sudden torrent]

When I started overclocking I ran 4000 1:1 and it was stable, but everyone told me it wasn't lol

More than just CL is affected by GDM

[modern walrus]

oh damn & he bumped DRAM switching frequency & SOC switching frequency to 400Khz. It's 200Khz by default

[sudden torrent]

I dislike that he recommends thaiphoon and aida without mentioning how they're not always accurate

[modern walrus]

they're not accurate even on b-die?

[sudden torrent]

Thaiphoon reads C-die as B-die

[modern walrus]

damn imagine having C-die, thinking it's B-die, then finding out it's C-die

bummer

[sudden torrent]

And then, thinking you have b-die, you apply 1.6v and kill your memory

[modern walrus]

oh ya that's way worse

lol

I finally have some Samsung memory

but in this ancient laptop and I can't overclock it

[sudden torrent]

Not with that attitude you can't

[modern walrus]

you can overclock memory outside of BIOS?

[sudden torrent]

Sometimes
But you can also hex edit the bios like a real man

[modern walrus]

I wouldn't even know where to start

[sudden torrent]

You'd start by getting comfortable with HxD program

[modern walrus]

what's an H times D program?

or H by D

H x D?

[short blade]

good ol hxd

[sudden torrent]

Yep, I've tweaked so many exe files back in the day

[short blade]

used it to modify pokemon blue to corrupt a random bit of RAM every second

produces some interesting results lol

[sudden torrent]

Oh yeah I've done a couple pokemon mods myself, they're really fun and easy. I've got a half finished story mod I haven't touched in years.

[short blade]

i don't think this quite counts as modding the story

there's an interesting video of a guy trying to play games on an overclocked gameboy

have you seen that one?

[sudden torrent]

Well, it's modded the story to the point where you don't know what's going on so it could count

I think I did see that

[short blade]

yeah i'm pretty sure i don't know what's going on

[sudden torrent]

I'd hope that's a name selection screen

[short blade]

nah it was in a battle

it's not even frozen lol it's still going

[sudden torrent]

I did an easy mod to change my copy of yellow into a surfing pikachu copy too

[modern walrus]

my RAM timings are hidden in there somewhere? lol

[sudden torrent]

Nah that's the guts of a Sapphire RX 570

[short blade]

that's an rx 570 vbios

[sudden torrent]

Nvidia are encrypted but I don't think AMD was doing that still, haven't checked

[modern walrus]

it's more confusing than broken Pokemon up there

[short blade]

well it finally stopped working

[sudden torrent]

It's not broken, it's working as intended lol

Oh well now it's broken

[modern walrus]

did you try to get Missingno. to show up on Cinnabar island beach or something?

[short blade]

wanna watch me stream this for a bit?

[sudden torrent]

.

[modern walrus]

why does it have that big blue border around it?

haha sure why the hell not

[sudden torrent]

Gameboy things

[short blade]

i'm in general 1

[modern walrus]

I think I have the roms saved on my Google drive

[undone flame]

does anyone have this ram overclocked?
also if you do can i get your timing and etc thanks!

[clever epoch]

Can you send a pic of the label on the back of your stick(s)

[undone flame]

for sure gimme a min gotta take the stick out

[dull ginkgo]

@undone flame use this guide to oc ram
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md

042 code will be useful, looks like 8 bit mfr?

[undone flame]

tbh i should just cop new ram

changed mobo and i dont think this is on my currents qvl

[clever epoch]

2x16 so DR MFR?

[undone flame]

i've no idea i dont know enough about ram

on old pc managed to get it to 3600Mhz cas was like 15 and i dont remember the rest

ran it at like 1.45

[finite frigate]

hows this for my card?

im working on doing an undervolt now but its annoying to toy with

if you know any software that actually lets me decrease voltage ping me lol

[proven canopy]

Hard mod

[finite frigate]

god i woudlnt go through all that trouble for an uv

if i had anymore precise uv control this would be

way easier

its sitting around here depending on the scene

however on certain scenes its jumping to 1360-1400 at 1132mv

i assume this wont happen under heavier loads

[tall pelican]

evc should let you get precise voltage control

[finite frigate]

okay

im dialed in on this uv

matches near perfectly at stock in benchmarks

UV:

stock:

score seems low cause of power saving on nvinspector

which i forgot to take off on the first test so

redoing both with it off to make sure it wasn’t messing with it

power draw dropped about 50w with the uv

180w -> 130w

stock:

[clever epoch]

Floor voltage or go for tRP 10? hmm

[modern walrus]

ya'll see all the cheap points I put up using my old i7 6700HQ? First place in CB R23 single thread baby

btw must I wait the entire 1.5-2 hours testmem5 when I'm changing one secondary at a time?

[modern walrus]

I could get 4000mhz/2000FCLK to run but it would crap out about 50 minutes into TestMem5. You think if I bump SOC, CLDO, or VDDG CCD/IOD it might hold? Problem is I was pushing like 1.46v into DRAM & I have no idea if that's approaching lethal dose on MJR

so now I've been going for tight timings on 3866/1933 FLCK which is a pathetic increase from 3800/1900

[clever epoch]

It will probably help, no guarantees though. There's only so much you can do if your fCLK poops out

[modern walrus]

frustrating I get 50 minutes before it craps out

what's strange is event viewer says it's APCID: 0 as in issue on Core 0 (I think)

so I lowered magnitude of Curve Optimizer down to 5 just to see

and then some other random issue came up

so I decided tight timings were the way to go

[clever epoch]

sounds like you've got some funky stuff going on and you need to test more thoroughly

do you get WHEAs?

[clever epoch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/593161609321512960/897879076554047538/unknown.png

I think I'm gonna try tRP 10, tRC 42, and then floor the voltage and call it

[modern walrus]

oh I get WHEAs for days

c14 heckin niiiice

[clever epoch]

I would try dropping a little, maybe 3933/1966

but you can try setting vSOC, CLDO, and VDDG voltages and it might help

[modern walrus]

I'm down to 3866

4k just seemed out of reach

[clever epoch]

well you're lucky to get that high TBH

[modern walrus]

it's 3800 on XMP

[clever epoch]

IME most zen 3 caps out around 1900, and die on the way to 1933

[modern walrus]

heckin CAS is 18 tho

so wait I should have zero WHEAs?

[clever epoch]

yeah you'll want some RevE if you want to get your tCL down

or B die if you want to get... everything down 😛

[clever epoch]

ideally yes. It's ok to have some WHEAs, as long as they're correctable (interconnect ones)

[modern walrus]

I have heckin Mystery MJR

oh ya that's all I'm getting

I have no idea and cannot find any info on where I should stop voltage wise on MJR

[clever epoch]

so if you're getting WHEAs, you need to test performance to make sure you're actually increasing performance, because there is an overhead to correcting errors