overclocking

[prisma arch]

so far so good
3600 17-20-20-40

im gonna slowly reduce timings

[zenith palm]

Btw odd cls don't actually work on ryzen properly

[proven canopy]

Depends if you run gdm

[prisma arch]

ok its 16-20-19-40

[zenith palm]

Remember running tm5 will take a long time -hour and a half or so for a 16gb kit, double that for a 32gb kit etc and you want to do it after every change

[sudden torrent]

You can do odd CAS with GDM off and CR2

[prisma arch]

for 1.5 hrs???

[sudden torrent]

Ideally yes

Best way to know if it's totally stable or if some random weird operation will fail later on

Personally I do OCCT memory test for 1 hour while doing initial testing and then once I find my best settings I run TM5 twice

[zenith palm]

Well until it finishes ideally, which will take about 2.5-3 hours with your 16gb kit

[prisma arch]

how do i do that

[clever epoch]

memory settings. GDM = Gear Down Mode. CR2 = Command Rate 2t

[zenith palm]

Is there any benefits of having gdm on or?

[sudden torrent]

GDM is good for stability

But can mess with your settings without you knowing

[zenith palm]

Ahh yeah that's what i thought, not a common thing on intel then or?

[zenith palm]

Ohh like making cl even?

[sudden torrent]

Nope purely AMD, Intel doesn't mind odd CAS as much

[sudden torrent]

And a few others yes

[zenith palm]

I see

Yeah i want sure if amd only feature or if was just disabled by default on Intel

[prisma arch]

ok cl16 not stable

[zenith palm]

What other timings where you running?

[prisma arch]

16-20-19-40

[zenith palm]

Ah you could try 16 20 20 40 most likely start at 18 20 20 40

[prisma arch]

ok

mm no

85 and counting

111

[sudden torrent]

Might as well just stop it lol

Before your system crashes

[prisma arch]

ye not stable

would 3266 15-17-18-36 be better than 3600 18-20-19-40

[sudden torrent]

Ehhh, yes but also no

[prisma arch]

?

[sudden torrent]

On Ryzen it's good to get the frequency as high as you can safely sync the fclk so the cores can talk to each other faster, but on the other hand you'd have lower latency with 3266c15

[zenith palm]

Also btw next time you go in hit the load config and exit button, and pic extreme by anta77

[hard goblet]

If i remember they entroduce this for ram that has weird timinga like cl17.. it run down into cl16 instead. Now it doesnt run.

Need to disable now it works

[sudden torrent]

Tell that to my 4133c19 kit that runs at c20 with GDM on ☠️

[prisma arch]

or should i go for 3666 cl18?

[hard goblet]

Oc?

[prisma arch]

yes

[sudden torrent]

Higher than 3600 probably isn't going to be stable for fclk

[prisma arch]

ok

true

[hard goblet]

I have trash samsung c die . I oc it to

[short blade]

on zen 3?

[hard goblet]

3200 to 3600 18 19 19 19 40

1.35v

[short blade]

3733-3800 shouldn't be hard on zen 3

[prisma arch]

from 3200

[short blade]

3733c18 would beat 3266c15 for sure

[prisma arch]

?

[short blade]

well he said fclk

the ram being able to do 3733+ is a tossup

[sudden torrent]

Yeah my mistake I was thinking Zen2

[short blade]

but the cpu shouldn't limit it

which die is this

[short blade]

cjr

yeah I'd be shocked if you couldn't run 3733c18

[prisma arch]

ok ill try it

[short blade]

I did 3800c16 on djr with only 1.42vdimm

[prisma arch]

what shoul dmy voltage be

[short blade]

try 1.45 for now

[sudden torrent]

You'd need more voltage for sure, and probably more on SoC and VDDP/VDDG also

[short blade]

3733 18-22-22-42

1.1 vsoc

1.05 vddp vddg

you can work on tightening primaries later

just test 3733c18 first

1867 fclk

[hard goblet]

Is that better than my 3600 18 19 19 19

Should i try 3733 too?

[short blade]

yeah

zen 2 can usually do 3733 as well

it's only zen 1/+ that struggles

I gotta go out now

but falcie is smart he got y'all covered

idk if c-die will go above 3600

but doesn't hurt to try

iirc with c-die you are pretty much limited to 1.35v?

negative scaling above that

[hard goblet]

I did 4200 on it

3600 18 19 19 39 1.35v
3600 18 20 20 xx 1.35v
4200 18 24 24 42 1.35v

My testing

Dint try 3733 yet xD but i wish to use same timing as 3600

Sadge

[prisma arch]

ok

[prisma arch]

whats ur original ram spped

[hard goblet]

3200

I achieve it because the sub timing is trash

24 24 24 xD

3200 cl16

[prisma arch]

oh same

[short blade]

4200c18 was stable?

then you could probably do 3800c16

but you'd have to test if 3733 or 3800 performs better on your cpu

[hard goblet]

I doubt my Samsung c die can do cl16 3800mhz

They said its a super trash samsung

Im kinda scared to the point it wont boot

And i have to touch the cmos reset

XD

[sudden torrent]

Wire your reset button the the cmos jumper to save time

[hard goblet]

Yeah thats what im planning to do for so long

[sudden torrent]

I'd do it if my kids didn't always push my buttons (literally). I had to set Windows so it doesn't respond to the power button but one of them figured out holding the button still shuts it off. I also just don't have my reset wired at all.

[hard goblet]

Hahaha

They learn

[hard goblet]

What if it hangs

And it doesn't xD responnd

Hahah

[sudden torrent]

That's what the switch on the PSU is for

[hard goblet]

Roll a dice flip the switch

Cross finger it boot

Mine dint

:'(

Sad b450

[sudden torrent]

I don't have hang issues anyway, if anything it just crashes

[short blade]

time to teach your kids how to overclock

[modern walrus]

Well I missed my streams & I'm tired af but the semester is over

Time to figure out how I can get these monitors synced & play something on them

[prisma arch]

i got 3733 18-22-22-40

so far

18-22-21-22-40

[prisma arch]

3733mhz cl18 nanosecond time=9.643718189124028
vs 3266mhz cl15 time = 9.185548071034905

[short blade]

doesn't matter

higher fclk is more important than lower latency

you can try c17 or c16

[prisma arch]

hmm

do i have a clear cmos button?

[modern walrus]

if you have a reset button you do potentially

[dull ginkgo]

clear cmos button would be on the back or on the board itself

[clever epoch]

^

[prisma arch]

ok i have managed 3733
c18 22 20 22 40

[modern walrus]

what die?

[prisma arch]

cjx

whoops

[zenith palm]

Time to only turn on pc by opening panel and a screw driver x)

[south sky]

that's just cas latency

just cas latency isn't enough to figure anything out

[prisma arch]

yes my timings are 18-20-17-21-40

as opposed to 3200-16-18-18-36 stock

or 3266-15-17-18-36

[finite frigate]

does anyone know how to change the memory voltage on an R9 280x?

the slider is there in AB but it does nothing

ive tried updating to a bios that apparently fixes the issue but its still sitting at a crazy 1.6V

and does that no matter what

im fine with bios mods but i cant find anything online about it

[sterile flame]

Got my 3600 stable at 4.4ghz 1.225v under load
Is that good enough or still too high

Scratch that
1.2v with vrise to 1.21.

[south sky]

vrise?

[sterile flame]

Voltage spikes above the user defined limit

[south sky]

How on earth are you measuring those

you need very specialised hardware too

It's called overshoot

[sterile flame]

My mistake.

[clever epoch]

Maybe he has a board with negative vDroop LLC?

Do those exist for AM4?

[south sky]

No

Those don't exist at all

[sterile flame]

Nah, just the product of limited research and understanding of the subject matter.

[south sky]

If your average voltage is above set the sensor reading it is wrong

all software readings are averages excluding asus' vlatch

I'm guessing you are looking at a vcore sensor

[sterile flame]

The number im looking at isbprobably the total CPU package value and not core value

[south sky]

If so look at svi2 core voltage, or whatever it is called

[clever epoch]

^

SVI2 TFN core voltage. Should be available on HWInfo

[south sky]

It won't be for voltage

Most incorrect voltage readings are across the socket

so they don't account for losses through the back of the socket, the socket and the substrate

[sterile flame]

Hmmmmmm

I use hwinfo when I'm doing things like this, but mostly I use aida64 for monitoring
Aida has CPU core, CPU vid, CPU vdd, and CPU vddnb.
Any idea if any of these are the same as svi2 tfn

Vdd is what the CPU is actually being fed so I'll stick to that

[hard goblet]

You can make one

By putting your reset button there

[prisma arch]

ok

[hard goblet]

look the reset pins.. and put the reset button on it

but be careful

if u have kids

xD

they might push it

[sudden torrent]

[clever epoch]

(or pets)

[zenith palm]

tomie i tried this but still after restart

[hard goblet]

u putt off?

[zenith palm]

yup

[hard goblet]

is your cpu spread spectrum on?

[zenith palm]

whats that

[proven canopy]

The effect on performance is negligible, and you aren't likely to get it to read a perfect 100mhz anyway

Just leave spread spectrum to auto on amd

[zenith palm]

figured but okay

i havent touched spread so guess ille leave it then

[hard goblet]

true

ocd wants it 100 xD sometimes mine dips 97 xD sadge

mine set auto too

its just hyper v killing it

[zenith palm]

so i should use hyper v off?

[proven canopy]

Unless you use it.. yes lol

You would've had to manually enable it in windows features

[zenith palm]

yeah i dont use it will enable it if needed i suppose

[prisma arch]

umm ok

[modern walrus]

Does CB R23 or OCCT Stability stress the CPU harder? the reason I ask is because CB shows sub-1.3v on HWiNFO for the entire duration of the benchmark, albeit excluding brief periods between renders. OCCT shows voltage well north of 1.3 but south of 1.4 with HWiNFO reporting 100% core usage on all threads. OCCT also allows clocks to hit 4700+/core while CB will only exceed 4615mhz/core between renders (i.e. not under heavy load). Since prime95 small keeps voltage sub-1.25, I'd think OCCT is easier on the CPU than CB. Also, how concerned should I be about the likelihood of degradation given these readings?

[clever epoch]

I wouldn't be concerned about degradation with PBO

you're probably not running OCCT with AVX, which is why it isn't stressing as hard

or perhaps running the memory stability test, which uses 100% CPU but not that intensive

[sudden torrent]

R23 is more comparable to a gaming load. OCCT with AVX2 will push it harder.

[modern walrus]

Thats alarming

I think I'm pretty far beyond "okay" voltage levels then

[sudden torrent]

Alarming how? 1.25v is fine

[modern walrus]

on prime95

but 1.362v on OCCT?

[sudden torrent]

Did you leave the test mode on auto or change it to AVX2?

[modern walrus]

Data set: Large
Mode: Extreme
Load type: Variable
Instruction set: AVX2

[sudden torrent]

Variable load should be constant

[modern walrus]

Should I run agian with load type steady?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah steady

[modern walrus]

ah okay let's see what that gives me then

[sudden torrent]

Variable is simulating a gaming type load where the cores aren't 100% all the time

[modern walrus]

I see. I thought they were holding steady on all cores tho since HWiNFO consistently reported about 4700mhz/core

but it certainly wouldn't be the first time I was wrong

which should come as no surprise lol

[sudden torrent]

That's normal boost behavior, if the core isn't fully loaded it can clock higher

[modern walrus]

but showing on all cores simultaneously?

[sudden torrent]

Yeah

[modern walrus]

the only difference is CCD0 was about 10mhz higher than CCD1

for Data set, is it better to go small v. large?

I figured since prime95 hits hardest with small it might be

[sudden torrent]

Small is more for heat and error detection. You can hover over all the settings and see what they do too.

[modern walrus]

which--unrelated--makes me wonder, does a threadripper only have two CCDs also?

oh okay ya that's why I went with large to begin with

[sudden torrent]

Depends on the threadripper, I know some have 4 CCDs

[modern walrus]

also, is it just me or does OCCT seem to take time to really start hitting hard unlike prime95?

[sudden torrent]

P95 launches your temps almost right away, that's what it's good at

[modern walrus]

alright HWiNFO showing 4700mhz CCD0/4696mhz CCD1 at 1.362v right now.

max thread usage & total holding 100%

[sudden torrent]

Once it heats up check then

[modern walrus]

only good news is max temp 69.6rn

[clever epoch]

how much power though

[modern walrus]

PPT is only at 151.3w

[sudden torrent]

Yeah, amps matter as much as volts

[modern walrus]

amps 180

[clever epoch]

threadrippers have 2 CCDs up to 16 cores, 4 CCD up to 32 cores, and 8 CCDs for the 64 cores

[modern walrus]

EDC

[clever epoch]

that's your EDC limit

[modern walrus]

approximately 82 TDC

[clever epoch]

I mean your active usage

110A for 12 cores? Not too bad

[modern walrus]

that's amazing. I'd love to own that 64-core powerhouse like that but I'd be wasting it

110?

oh 110 watts

[clever epoch]

no

you said 150W PPT

[sudden torrent]

They're not good for gaming, lower performance per thread is the compromise for all those threads

[clever epoch]

at 1.362V

that would put you at 110

actually I didn't account for IO Die power

that's gonna be what? 20W?

95A for 12 cores

[modern walrus]

sorry currently TDC/EDC/PPT are as follows: 82/180/152

[sudden torrent]

That's pretty low tbh

[modern walrus]

at 1.362v

well when things really go crazy like on CB I'm north of 250

250w I mean

prime95 I don't even know

[clever epoch]

I'm not talking about the limits you set in BIOS. I'm talking about active usage

[modern walrus]

actually let me take that back until I can give you accurate numbers

[sudden torrent]

The same can be accomplished on intel just by disabling the power limits lol

[modern walrus]

That's active usage presently

BIOS is 180/180/I don't remember lol

I have spreadsheets hold on

180/180/230

I never hit 100% PPT so I just leave it at whatever

It almost seems like in comparison, OCCT is pretty weak

I'll hit small FFTs rn

okay I'm glad I took back my earlier claims because that's only hitting a max of 185w

[clever epoch]

eg if CPU PPT (active usage) is 150W, I subtract ~20W for the IO Die, so 130W for the cores. If voltage is 1.362V:

Current = Power / Voltage = 130/1.362 = 95.4A

[modern walrus]

I have no headroom left for TDC/EDC/PPT because of motherboard limitations on TDC. I dunno that I'd want to be north of 180amps anyway

[clever epoch]

you probably don't

[modern walrus]

with all cores at 4,415-17mhz my voltage is at 1.131

[clever epoch]

I'm still convinced that your OCCT isn't configured properly. It should not be using that little power for an AVX2 load

[modern walrus]

It's the latest update I believe. It updated earlier this week

but you're right it does seem like I'm doing something wrong for sure

[clever epoch]

can you send a screenshot of your test configuration?

[modern walrus]

yes

one second

that's how I ran it both times that it showed 1.362v with the only change being "Load type" from "Variable" to "Steady"

[clever epoch]

hmm, data set might be a factor

or perhaps you have to manually set 24 threads?

not sure

I apparently uninstalled OCCT at some point and I'm too tired to reinstall and test it right now 😛

[modern walrus]

btw, it's a 5900x, PBO advanced, 180 EDC/180 TDC/230 PPT, highest magnitude is -24 on Core 4 but otherwise I think all magnitudes run -25 to -30, +125mhz, and I have an additional core voltage offset set to -.0625v

My only concern is Scalar is 2x. I thought that might be a factor & the source of the higher voltage

Also, VDDG CCD Voltage control is 1.050v; VDDG IOD Voltage Control 1.050v; and CLD0 VDDP Voltage Control is 1.00v

I'll manually set 24 threads

I have no idea because there's a setting in HWiNFO for AMD Zen 3 that's supposed to give the most accurate clocks at the expensive of not reporting threads individually

I'd screen shot it right now if it wasn't so needlessly difficult to get to settings in HWiNFO

oh found it. btw right-click on tray icon to access startup settings in HWiNFO

Fixed at 24 threads currently showing 4700.0/4696.7, TDC 81.319a/EDC 180.000a/PPT 150.574w voltage 1.356-.362. Max temp 80.3

wait no max temp is 63.8. 80.3 was because I didn't reset since prime95

20 minutes in & no changes other than core clocks down a few mhz

[prisma arch]

ok

[prisma arch]

what software

[modern walrus]

I appreciate it but I figured it out. I needed a link to a the picture & forgot to delete it. Razer Chroma

[prisma arch]

ok

[modern walrus]

Thanks tho

if you happen to know how to make layers go in sequence, I'd still like to know

but I ended up working around it

[modern walrus]

I've gotten a couple Bus/Interconnect errors lately. Any likely source other than core offset voltage is too high?

[proven canopy]

https://community.hwbot.org/topic/208677-the-official-corsair-ddr4-oc-open-thread

There's a random drawing as well, so might as well sub something if you got a corsair ddr4 kit

@dapper hound will probably just win it anyway

[dapper hound]

[orchid flame]

@proven canopy Corsair DDR5 is Medicare af from every report I’ve seen

So idrc

[modern walrus]

Does it cover prescription drugs?

what are deductibles like?

[zenith palm]

I mean free ram is free ram

[modern walrus]

Do they charge to see doctors outside the network?

Medicare af?

okay it wasn't funny

[zenith palm]

Ohh lol

I'm sure it was mediocre auto corrected lol

[modern walrus]

Even tho I'm only running XMP, I thought I'd try bumping the voltage on my memory .025v to try to get rid of the bus/interconnect errors since from what I read that issue is memory/FCLK related

lol ya for sure

[proven canopy]

Point is, as far as giveaways go, great odds to win and more people participating in the corsair comp makes these types of things more likely to happen in the future.

[zenith palm]

Exactly, wonder how much of a chance my c die oc has

[tall pelican]

odds greatly diminish when rauf asks if extremes can join, and leeg okays it

[lavish tundra]

Urs? Probably none.

[south sky]

I guess you'll be surprised then

[sudden torrent]

From what I've seen speed and timings are decent, a little higher speed than good DDR4 kits but looser timings. That'll improve over time.

Here's one that I saw

Keeping in mind the memory itself works differently CAS latency isn't an apples to apples comparison

[south sky]

cas latency still does the same thing

[sudden torrent]

Yes it still does the same thing but it's also doing the same thing twice

Each stick is 2 channels

We'll have to see some hard numbers to see how 40 CAS DDR5 compares to 20 CAS DDR4

[south sky]

yeah that makes it better

I'm looking forward to being able to run different timings on the same dimm

[sudden torrent]

In theory, yes. It's better for it to read 2x 16 bit rows instead of 1x 32 bit. More useful data can be pulled each cycle instead of wasting another activation cycle to get more.

[south sky]

no that's not why

[sudden torrent]

In practice, we'll need reliable benchmarks (i.e. NOT AIDA64)

[south sky]

I've already run sims on it, it smashes

[sudden torrent]

It's one of several major changes, that's why I brought it up

[south sky]

that's not the reason why that is better though

[sudden torrent]

Oh yeah that's right you were the one that had access to engineering stuff

[south sky]

Most of the benefits that 40bit channels give to ddr5 is for dual channel configs vs single on ddr4

going to 4, 8 or even 16 channels at the high end sees the performance benefits drop off

the integrity and clock benefits are still nice though

[sudden torrent]

Man, 16 channels of memory on a single CPU, I look forward to that Xeon/TR

[south sky]

more smaller channels is better because channels work together as one big thing

[south sky]

might even see 24 or 28

[sudden torrent]

On a single IMC? Not dual socket? Impressive

[south sky]

yeah

one thing that is really cool is you can have different IC's on the same stick and it works fine

on ddr5

half dual rank sticks anyone?

[sudden torrent]

What
That's a VERY good sign for overall memory intercompatibility

[south sky]

it's cool

[zenith palm]

Figured xD, hey if it passes a tm5 test bootloader shmootloader, they don't neeed to know xD

[lavish tundra]

Well how u gonna run that TM5 test if ram corrupts windows and you cant even boot off it 😳

[zenith palm]

Can get into windows fine just restarting is the problem xD

[lavish tundra]

OC time then

lets go

[zenith palm]

Lol

Worth a shot

Not booting to my main drive tho lol

[lavish tundra]

UNPLUG MAIN DRIVE

[zenith palm]

It's okay I'll just manually boot to sata

[sudden torrent]

Famous last words, "oh it'll be fine"

[zenith palm]

don't jinx me bruh

[proven canopy]

This is the most alatron thing I've ever heard

[sterile flame]

Im confused
Internet says a good stable core overclock frequency for my gpu (gtx 1080fe) is 2000-2100mhz
I can get a steady 2088mhz without even altering voltage or power limit
I have it set to run at 2100mhz core clock right now, with stock power limit and voltage
Under load, it drops my clocks down to 2088mhz (perfcap reason says vrel, and it doesn't want to stray from 1.050v under load so that adds up. That's stock voltage though)
Supposedly the gpu die itself is voltage locked, so I guess I can max the slider and it should still be a safe voltage, right?

And if that's the case, I should be able to get substantially higher core frequencies than the 2100mhz that the internet says is good

[zenith palm]

Just don't touch voltage slider if moving up, they give you plenty of voltage room at stock, if anything undervolt, just crank the power slider

[sterile flame]

Ok. I'm playing with all my overclock settings now trying to find the best combination of cpu and gpu overclocks for a daily. I'll keep that in mind though, thanks

[rugged cloak]

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/64695127

is this decent?

[modern walrus]

My 3070 doesn't get me even close to that lol

Are you running 53x all core?

[rugged cloak]

its running what the bios auto set

[modern walrus]

My 10900K CPU score with all-core 51x is 13,438, which you beat by about 430 points

The RTX3060 I have on the 10900K has a graphics score of 9499 which you blew out of the water obviously

[rugged cloak]

im not a overclocker

[modern walrus]

The Graphics score on my 3070 is 13,018 so not even close

[rugged cloak]

and i have crapy ram

[modern walrus]

and my 5900x with PBO is just south of 12k so you beat that too

Now I'm questioning whether overclocking is even worth it haha

[rugged cloak]

👀

[modern walrus]

If you want to push it further, download MSI Afterburner

[rugged cloak]

my best score was 20221

[modern walrus]

it's really easy to overclock your GPU

Just add +25mhz to GPU memory clock until it can't run TimeSpy then back it up 25mhz

[rugged cloak]

Graphics Score21 925
CPU Score14 040

[modern walrus]

Do the same to the GPU core clock

then set them both at the highest you could maintain stability and you're done

[rugged cloak]

i set everything back to default.. now its nice and quiet

[modern walrus]

well if you want to squeeze a little more out of your GPU, overclock it

[rugged cloak]

it has a decent OC from the factory

darn kingpin 3090

[modern walrus]

I just now realized TimeSpy only uses one core, meaning an all core overclock of 5100mhz is going to limit me because it won't exceed 5100mhz

[rugged cloak]

im running the demo

[modern walrus]

I should pay more attention lol

but ya you really don't need to ask if your score is good when it says better than 99% of all results lol

[rugged cloak]

lol

i know..

a friend of mine asked me if i ran any benchmarks on it..

since i basically finished yesterday

[modern walrus]

If you run Cinebench R23 or other CBs you won't see as great performance tho

because that utilizes all your cores

So it's give & take

[modern walrus]

well you likely won't see rather than it's definite

Try running Cinebench R23

[rugged cloak]

I was running discord, hue sync and gf experience at the same time

[modern walrus]

Well I dunno how much that affects CPU since you're using one core

but it might impact your score a little

I don't know how significantly discord & hue sync affects your GPU

Can you run Port Royal on the free version?

That's basically all GPU

[rugged cloak]

I should have had it. But I can’t

[modern walrus]

Did you try Cinebench R23? It's free in the Microsoft store or you can download it from their website

[modern walrus]

It sure is quiet in this discord lately

[prisma arch]

is higher command rate better
it was auto on 1 before and after the bios update it is on 2

[modern walrus]

I'm pretty sure 1T>2T but you'd have to wait for the users more experienced with RAM overclocking to tell you for sure sorry

i.e. lower command rate is better

Now if you are able to get higher frequencies & tighter timings with a higher command rate, I don't know if that's better tbh

I think with the same frequency & same timings, the lower command rate is better

[prisma arch]

ok

[modern walrus]

if you manually set the timings, frequency, and command rate, is it stable?

[prisma arch]

yes

@modern walrus

[modern walrus]

Well I guess just go with that then

[prisma arch]

i like how my ram defaults to 2666mhz cl18

[obtuse fjord]

Can someone help me overclock my pc

I7 10700k

Gigabyte 2070

16 gbs of g skill ram

My mobo is z590

[zenith palm]

For your graphics card download msi afterburner and 3d mark demo on Steam

[obtuse fjord]

Ok

[zenith palm]

Then start with moving the power slider as far as possible and then like +100 core go up in 50s, when timespy crashes go back 25 and test again

Then once you get core, oc' do memory starting at like 300, then increase in 100 til crash then go back in 50s til stable

[modern walrus]

where the fack are my 2000 points on Time Spy

What setting(s) do y'all change in Nvidia control Panel?

from default I mean

[zenith palm]

I change a few yeah but cant remember what lol i usually look up a guide

[modern walrus]

ah okay

[tall pelican]

Turing and Ampere clock in steps of 15, so I generally go +90, then 30s

[zenith palm]

Forgot about that actually fair enough

[modern walrus]

hey do you all still have that RAM OC guide?

oh it's steps of 15? I thought it was 25. That's good to know

[clever epoch]

15 for turing/ampere

25 for most things

[clever epoch]

https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md

it's in pins

[modern walrus]

Thank you

[prisma arch]

is this what afterburner is supposed to look like?

on the website the ui is different

[sudden torrent]

Yeah there's a bunch of different skins

[prisma arch]

my cinebench score when i got my pc was 15364 (5800x) with an oc of 4625 mhz@1.25v
now after a bios updates early this year i cannot do that anymore so i use pbo
i did all cores -12 and got like 14850

is that bad

[faint tangle]

Are you sure you were on r23 both times?

[sudden torrent]

That's a reasonable score on r23 multi core, my personal best is 16k.
How are your temps? Undervolting helps a lot with PBO.

[prisma arch]

yes

[sterile flame]

What programs do you use to test system stability
I use aida64 to test stability and cinebench/unigine heaven/3Dmark to validate the overclocks themselves. This made me notice that my CPU pulls more current in cinebench than in the aida64 stress test, though the CPU gets hotter during the Aida64 test (but I attribute this to the fact that aida64 stresses the whole system so the whole system gets hotter and hurts the CPUs cooling capacity)
Should I be running prime95 to test OC stability instead?

[zenith palm]

I use timespy for gpu oc, Tm5 extreme anta and then occt after, for cpu I'd recommend p95 small fft

[sterile flame]

How much of a temperature delta do you personally see between like, prime95 and cinebench r23?
I think my overclock is stable it's definitely at least stable enough for what I use it for

[zenith palm]

Ehh i don't oc cpu because pbo better

[sterile flame]

I don't like PBO.
I've been in here complaining about it lots of times, I'm not gonna go back into that again.
Anyway my Ryzen 3600 is fine at 4.4ghz 1.225v, but I wanted to try hitting it with the heaviest workload I could think of to be sure

It ran the aida64 stability test for twelve hours with no issues

But I wanna hit it harder

[dull ginkgo]

P95 smallfft with avx isn't great for Ryzen, a bit too heavy load, might want to just use like occt and use like small dataset variable load

[sterile flame]

I want it to be too heavy a load though, to test worst case

[dull ginkgo]

Your choice ig

[sterile flame]

do i leave well enough alone or do i go for #1

also, this is my new argument against PBO, cause this was at 1.225v

[sterile flame]

[brazen walrus]

nice nice

🇺🇸

[sterile flame]

I got 66th for my setup in firestrike extreme too
Gonna try to crack top 50

[proven canopy]

Set it to leaderboard mode

[sterile flame]

Why, am I not comparing it to people with my components globally?

i didnt realize there was a difference, but here

[prisma arch]

a

ur first???

[sterile flame]

Only for the combination of r5 3600 and 1080 non ti and only in this one benchmark, but yes

I also got 28th for my setup in firestrike extreme

[modern walrus]

Are Bus/Interconnect Errors caused by lack of core voltage? i.e. is my voltage offset likely too low?

or high depending how you want to look at it

[sterile flame]

@modern walrus check simplest solution first
Make sure you didn't accidentally unpair your fclk speed and memory speed

[modern walrus]

I'll check but I had it set at 3800/1900

[sterile flame]

Oh oh that could be why

[modern walrus]

Where is the lack of disconnect typically?

[sterile flame]

I've heard of some motherboards fabric clock not wanting to go above 1800mhz

[modern walrus]

hmm I didn't have problems before

but that raises an interest questoin

of whether something got changed recently because I was trying to replicate the settings I got an extra 2k points on Time Spy with

but in loading old profile maybe I reduced my RAM voltage

I gave it a little extra from G.Skill rated 1.400 to 1.425

Hadn't had the problem since

I don't suppose messing with FCLK voltage is a good idea

[sterile flame]

What voltage are you running the CPU at

In your static oc

[modern walrus]

PBO

no static OC

core offset is -.0650

keeps me at about 1.294v under CB R23 load

with 4,600 all core

[sterile flame]

What CPU?

[modern walrus]

I only ever have voltage problems at idle I swear lol

5900x

[sterile flame]

Ooooh

I do not know a single freaking thing about Ryzen 5000 voltage

To be fair I don't even know much about Ryzen 3000 voltage

[modern walrus]

It's the strangest thing with the voltage offsets

if I run -.0500 it crashes

[sterile flame]

What PBO settings are you on

[modern walrus]

like on startup

Advanced TDC/EDC/PPT 180/180/225 (motherboard max) Curve Optimizer per core offsets

don't recall all 12 offhand but I doubt they'd be of much use anyway

Scalar 2x

PBO +125mhz

[sterile flame]

Turn the scalar down to 1x and pbo back to default
The pbo mhz slider thing doesn't actually do anything

[modern walrus]

it doesn't improve single core clock?

heck I thought that was the whole point lol

[lavish tundra]

well it does affect max boost clocks

[modern walrus]

& pretty much the reason I don't just do all core 47 ratio instead of PBO

[sterile flame]

No. It seems like it's meant to but it just straight up doesnt. If you'd like I can send you a really information-dense buildzoid video where he goes over PBO and some good settings for it on ryzen 3000, but unfortunately I'm not going to be much use to you on 5000

[lavish tundra]

And theres your problem

[modern walrus]

PBO v. PBO 2.0?

[sterile flame]

Maybe it's different on 5000 series but on 3000 it had no function

[lavish tundra]

zen2 pbo was absolute stinky garbage compared to zen3

its a completely different ballgame

lol

[lavish tundra]

yep

[modern walrus]

I guess I can run core cycler until the cows come home/the evil core of WHEA errors shows itself

will system event viewer tell me WHEA source?

[lavish tundra]

should

[modern walrus]

lol I hate event viewer

[lavish tundra]

Its not too bad

[modern walrus]

I find it confusing

[sterile flame]

Ryzen is kinda hinky to begin with
For instance, the Ryzen 3600 has a max boost of 4.2ghz, but when I run my CPU stock (which I do 99% of the time if I'm not playing with benchmarking) it will sometimes boost as high as 4.35 when the situation calls for it
I don't even use PBO because I hate it, so it isn't that

[lavish tundra]

PBO auto = PBO on

also that boosting common for late 3600s

[sterile flame]

Pbo disabled = pbo off, though
This is a very recent sample 3600
I'm almost convinced that the silicon shortage made them put higher binned silicon in lower end CPUs, because it shouldn't be performing as well as it does

[modern walrus]

Assuming in Event Viewer I go to Windows Logs and look under System would the Source be WHEA?

or kernel-general?

[lavish tundra]

my 3600x boosts to 4.45 sometimes

https://www.resplendence.com/whocrashed_os.htm

[modern walrus]

Service Control manager?

[lavish tundra]

ggood

[modern walrus]

I mean there's so much stuff on here that it becomes useless

well I guess I can narrow to date

[lavish tundra]

yeh checks out

not for the reason you think

but yes

[modern walrus]

Error: The Steam Client Service failed to start . . .fashion

useless

okay what else

Next error: steam again

Intel SUR QC Software Asset Manager...?

[sterile flame]

Oh really? Jeeze, I'm never right in these situations. For what reason, if not for the one I suggested though?@lavish tundra

[modern walrus]

ah-ha

it's a warning not an error

[lavish tundra]

Just that the process has had time to mature

so yields and silicon quality are higher for that process

[modern walrus]

So Core 0 is bamboozling me?

2d WHEA-Logger warning Also says Processor APIC ID: 0

[sterile flame]

Oh I see. I thought you were gonna say I was right but they were literally just using silicon binned for 39x0 CPUs in their lower tier CPUs just like, idk, to stick it to Intel or something maybe

[modern walrus]

well I'll be back in a minute or two

gonna go reduce the magnitude of Core 0's offset

[sterile flame]

If I'd thought about it though that would mean I could get to frequencies higher than 4.6 at a safe voltage

Which I cannot

[modern walrus]

It's like 6 less than others already. It's acting like Core 7

[lavish tundra]

whats ur safe voltage for ur 3600 tho?

[sterile flame]

1.28v for a 4.6ghz static oc
Well, more like 4.592ghz or something like that

[lavish tundra]

Hmm I know of people degrading their cpus at 1.27V

on a 3600

in like 1 weeks time

[sterile flame]

Early sample? Because everything I've seen either said 1.35 or 1.3

[lavish tundra]

everything you have seen is blatant lies

I wouldnt push a zen 2 cpu past 1.25 daily

unless you FIT test and find that ur cpu is good for higher

also how are you testing stability?

[sterile flame]

But anyway, this cpu has like maybe 10 minutes uptime at that frequency cause I got the exact same cinebench r23 score at 4.4ghz 1.2v

[lavish tundra]

cinebench?

[sterile flame]

Well, within margin of error anyway. Not literally the exact same but within like 60 pts

[lavish tundra]

How are you testing stability?

[sterile flame]

12 hours on the full system Aida 64 stress test, but I never ran that at 4.6. it was literally just to see how high I could get the core frequency at 1.28
I'm gonna use prime 95 to test the 4.4 I've been running, but I haven't gotten around to it yet

[lavish tundra]

prime95 small ffts yeah?

not smallest

[sterile flame]

That's the plan. I'll probably raise the voltage a little for it, I have plenty of headroom to do so at 1.2v even

[lavish tundra]

If its stable you have a very nais cpu

binning wise

[sterile flame]

Well
Let's just say
I didn't get first place in the 3dmark CPU profile benchmark ||for the combination of r5 3600 gtx 1080|| due to my merits as an overclocker

[lavish tundra]

Nice

Im 15th on timespy for my gpu and 1st for cpu+gpu

[sterile flame]

Very very nice
I'm top 6% for my gpu and CPU on timespy, its by far my worst one

[lavish tundra]

still not bad

considering I bios flashed my GPU 20+ times to get to top 15 lol

[modern walrus]

heckin hyper-v is at it again

bus clock is at 98.7mhz

[sterile flame]

I got 28th in firestrike extreme but I literally cannot get higher than that no matter what I do
My gpu is like, maxed maxed for that test. It crashes on test 3 if I raise either my core or memory frequency by 5mhz
I still have temperature headroom, but my perfcap kicks vrel and there's not a lot I can do about that without hard-mods or liquid nitrogen

I wish I had been patient, because I got this 1080 pretty recently and I could have gotten a good AIB 1080ti today for less than what I paid for my 1080fe

[modern walrus]

If it makes you feel any better, I have one system with a 3060 and the other with a 3070

and I really wish I had waited for a 3080

or 3070Ti

and the 3070 has a waterblock on PETG pipe so it's all but written in stone that it's staying there

[sterile flame]

Why would you feeling buyers remorse over getting two cards that most definitely perform better than mine does, and probably for less money than I paid, make me feel better

[modern walrus]

Fair enough. I meant it more like I wasn't patient either

guess I glossed over that part. My bad

[sterile flame]

I'm just kidding anyway. Nice grab

Where'd you get them, Newegg shuffle?

[modern walrus]

Why did you get the 1080?

The 3060 I got from the shuffle

[lavish tundra]

Im so glad I got my GPU for msrp

[modern walrus]

the 3070 from TechwithExcellence

[lavish tundra]

RX570 for 150$

[sterile flame]

Because my fiancees cousin was selling it for "cheap"
It was cheap for the market at the time I bought it

[lavish tundra]

Great silicon sample too

[sterile flame]

And I also know him and he's had it for it's whole life, and I knew he'd been taking good care of it

[modern walrus]

I dunno how I ever got on stupid wayfair's mailing list but the subject line, "you've never seen rugs like this before" does not make me want to open the email and does not make me wonder how different/great these rugs are that I would have never seen them before.

[sterile flame]

Wayfair?
"they come with your very own Guatemalan child slave"

[modern walrus]

Lol I heard about that

cabinets for like $14,000

hmm

[sterile flame]

That was Wayfair right? I don't sound crazy

Lmao

[modern walrus]

must be some really rare wood

Isn't there some new thing that allows the GPU to directly access storage

I heard about that tonight but I forgot what it was

[sterile flame]

I'm considering trying to use my 3d mark scores as leverage to email some gpu manufacturers trying to get free stuff
I'm mostly joking but like, have you seen some of the YouTubers they send free stuff to? And really, what's the worst that can happen, they never respond?

[modern walrus]

ya how does being a youtuber work exactly/

[sterile flame]

Obviously they'd be really really stupid to do it
And id be really really stupid to try
Stupid like a fox

[modern walrus]

you just annoy the hell out of everyone around you by recording your uninteresting life until enough morons online wanna watch it?

then bam, free stuff?

well aside from time, I don't think you have much to lose in trying

Can't really assess your opportunity costs there tho

[sterile flame]

My self respect when they actually take the effort to email back "we don't care. Go buy one"

[modern walrus]

well just don't take it so personally I guess lol

[sterile flame]

I mean, fair enough
It's not like they'd be telling me anything I didn't already know, that they don't care and that I'm gonna have to buy one myself

[modern walrus]

so really there's no material change in position there

[sterile flame]

I've been thinking of investing in an open air test bench and starting a YouTube channel where I buy cheap used processors and GPUs off ebay and like Facebook marketplace and wherever I can find them and seeing how high I can overclock them before they straight up die
Then I'll take them apart and find the point of failure and do my best to try to explain what happened

Sounds relatively interesting right? And it'll give me an excuse to teach myself how to do hard- mods on GPUs and motherboards

[modern walrus]

it does sound interesting

I'd watch it

I think the biggest hurdle would be the narrow appeal

like people who are into overclocking and everything would probably love it

Let me back up tho, do you mean to monetize this or just for fun?

it appeals to less people than some moron going to closed down Chuckie Cheese locations at 3am

because people as a whole are pretty dumb

[sterile flame]

Just for fun/ hopefully find a way to monetize it enough that it supports itself
Which shouldn't be much at all, and even if I don't reach that point I can probably keep the dream alive out of pocket, albeit at a slower update cycle. Even in this market you can get like, ooooold old Nvidia and ATI Radeon cards for dirt cheap

[modern walrus]

ya people are dusting them off because they think they'll actually sell with no alternatives available

[sterile flame]

I don't expect it to get big or anything like that, but I think it would be fun and there's definitely a niche audience of people who would like it. Potentially even a pretty big niche demographic

I mean, look at buildzoid at actually hardcore overclocking. His videos are waaaay too technically dense for most people to even follow, but he gets pretty decent viewership and sponsors and stuff.
A lot of it is because he impressed somebody at gamers Nexus and they started featuring him in some segments, but still. The demographic is there

I'm not comparing myself to buildzoid at all because obviously I am not even nearly on par with him

[modern walrus]

That's true

and you have sort of like a mythbusters type thing going on where on one hand you're destroying stuff and on the other you're using it as a way to learn about it

[sterile flame]

Eventually, if it somehow against the odds became successful, I can also do a thing where I can test the actual amperages that CPU and GPU cores can handle and give definitive max voltage numbers.
Which is 100% the reason I had this idea to begin with

[modern walrus]

That would be great to know

I just wonder how significant the difference with silicone lottery are

I really don't know

like you'd be giving approximately parameters no?

[sterile flame]

I guess the best way to do it would be to (in the case of the Ryzen 3000 series, for example)
Would be to somehow get my hands on an early sample Ryzen 3600 (or possibly a 3100 or 3300x cause I'm not sure which would have the worse binning. Probably the early sample 3600 but you never know) as well as a new 3950x, so get a worst case and best case for your silicon binning

[lavish tundra]

directstorage isnt out yet

[sterile flame]

It would really hurt to intentionally kill a brand new 3950x with voltage but for science? ||And if I can get it for free from AMD?||

[lavish tundra]

killing it would be tough tbh

[sterile flame]

Yeah to get the desired result of killing it with voltage rather than temperature id probably need some form of sub-ambient cooling solution

[modern walrus]

Is directstorage going to be available on RTX cards?

[sterile flame]

But you know, these are all things we work out the logistics for later. Right now I'm just talking about finding like a gts 450 and frying it

[lavish tundra]

not gpu specific iirc

[modern walrus]

Who's developing it?

[sterile flame]

Microsoft

[modern walrus]

oh nice

[lavish tundra]

gonna be a windows feature soon

maybe see a linux port

[modern walrus]

think we'll get to a point where we have NVMes specifically for GPU & CPU

respectively

[sterile flame]

I don't see why not

Watch, radeon 8000/rtx5000 are gonna have m.2 ports

[modern walrus]

that would be pretty cool

might also be hard to keep cool

[lavish tundra]

nope

thats not how direct storage works

[sterile flame]

Might also also be easier to keep cool cause it's held in front of your front fans rather than tucked down against the motherboard pcb
Would make gpu memory cooling harder, but only as gpu memory is now. Who's to say gddr8x or whatever wont be capable of such high frequencies that they keep them at the low end so the gpu cores, which will hardly progress at all cause it doesn't make Nvidia and amd any money to make them reasonably faster, can keep up

[lavish tundra]

nope

not even close to right

have you seen the difference between memory speeds?

lmao

[sterile flame]

I was only joking, look at all the wild assumptions I made

[lavish tundra]

https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/gpudirect-storage/

[sterile flame]

You know it's a good joke when some people think you're legit and others think you're mentally disabled

Wait a second lmao
All this diagram is saying is that I'm right and that it would make sense to cut out the middleman entirely and process storage right on the gpu
Look at the Intel beast canyon NUC, then look at direct storage, and tell me we aren't heading for gaming being done on an SOC

It would make perfect sense to have a full gaming platform on an add-in pcie card. They're working towards the technology to do it, if they could figure out how to cool it it would work better than the current system, and it would make them a freaking boatload of money

[lavish tundra]

Its just cutting the transfer to system ram and then vram

[lavish tundra]

We arent

atleast not on x86

[sterile flame]

ARM, man

That's why Nvidia bought them

[lavish tundra]

LMAO

That fell through

[sterile flame]

I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY AND KTS PROBABLY NOT TRUE

They tried though

[lavish tundra]

nvidia doesnt own arm

[sterile flame]

And I did see something recently about somproject Nvidia did with arm

Anyway, Nvidia is still heavily invested in arm

[lavish tundra]

windows on arm with great app compatability is years away

[sterile flame]

Idk man, you ever take a look at Nvidias r and d budget?

[lavish tundra]

also it doesnt matter if a graphics card manufacturer supports a microarchitecture

the os has to

lol

hardware is just so much silicon without software support

[sterile flame]

Wouldn't be too hard for a company like Nvidia to make an OS

And a game engine for it

Sure it wouldn't catch on right away, but if the games it did have ran at levels of performance that the current way of doing things isn't capable of

[lavish tundra]

Wow u really dont know how any of this works

like at all

[sterile flame]

Which since Nvidia has been manipulating graphics performance progression all along wouldnt be outside the realm of possibility either

Bro you really really need to stop taking me seriously. I am joking.

Im drawing wild conclusions that don't make sense in terms of business or in terms of how computers work

I'm genuinely sorry if my sense of humor bothers you.

[lavish tundra]

It is theorotically possivble

but not realistically

ARM soc isnt gonna be big till windows supports it widely

[sterile flame]

Hey, unrelated but isn't Intel supposed to be unveiling their version of big.little one of these generations?

I'm really curious to see what overclocking is like on a platform like that, or if it'll even be possible

[lavish tundra]

12th gen laptop

[sterile flame]

Ohhh so it's close. That's exciting
Maybe I'll buy some more Intel stock lol

[zenith palm]

It will be in 12th gen desktop too but yes

[lavish tundra]

Hmmmm didnt hear of that

nice

[zenith palm]

Aye big.little just coming 12th gen

[lavish tundra]

24 core consoomer cpu?!

[zenith palm]

16c24t i9

[lavish tundra]

how many perf cores?

[zenith palm]

8c16t big 8c8t smol

[sterile flame]

I wonder if they'll still have room for igpu

[lavish tundra]

nivce

[sterile flame]

I would imagine so, but boy is that a lot of cores
Unless they make them like, lga2011 size

[zenith palm]

Pretty sure it stays

[sterile flame]

12th gen Intel is gonna be a thermally dense boi

Or a big socket
Or both

[zenith palm]

Romours say the i9s are just as power hungry

[sterile flame]

As what, 11th gen?

[zenith palm]

10th and 11th afaik

[barren ridge]

socket is bigger

heat density might not be a concern if it's spread through the ihs

but who knows

[sterile flame]

ya

takes even the biggest teams 5 years minimum to make drivers n crap

[clever epoch]

Basically confirmed. 224 PL2 stock for the 12900k

[proven canopy]

Gonna set it to 4096 anyway

[zenith palm]

Pl2? Power limit 2?

[clever epoch]

yes

[sterile flame]

huge socket and they're doing M-die now right?

so less heat density

[zenith palm]

Ngl didn't realize there was a 2nd power limit, thought there was just 1 or unlocked pl

[clever epoch]

no multi-die on desktop until meteor lake

[clever epoch]

PL1 is sustained power limit, PL2 is a sort of "temporary" power limit. You'll see "PL2" and "tau"; the latter refers to how long PL2 will be the power limit

there's a PL3 as well which I'm not sure about. Probably peak limit with a tau on the order of 1 second or less?

[zenith palm]

Ahhh i see thank you for the explanation

[dull ginkgo]

I thought PL3 was the max before throttling

[steel grove]

Hello I wanted to know if it's possible to OC my ram kit to CL16 (Corsair CMW16GX4M2Z3600C18 ) and if it will give me a noticeable performance improvement. I am pretty happy with my current performance but still am curious if I can get free extra performance by just OCing. Thanks.
My current build https://pcpartpicker.com/b/jT7TwP

[clever epoch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/i31lhv/how_intel_turbo_boost_and_power_management_works/
@zenith palm I oversimplified it. Tau is a bit more complex than just a simple time limit.

@dull ginkgo it doesn't talk much about PL3 but apparently it (and PL4) are usually disabled

[clever epoch]

Can you take pictures of the label on the back of the memory stick(s)?

And you will see some performance improvement. How much will depend on the application; games will usually benefit the most. Although it's likely you're going to be GPU bound in most instances.

https://youtu.be/o74lrq7qh3I

[tall pelican]

cant tell what, but there's something definitely wrong with the setup

cl18's cpu temps are 5-10c hotter across the board

cpu appears to be thermal throttling in almost all the tests, as the cooler cpu is also pulling much more gpu power

[modern walrus]

how does one obtain a 10900K delidding kit?

[sudden torrent]

Check the links in description
https://youtu.be/2b83EJu7uqQ

[modern walrus]

thank you

[prisma arch]

yes

[vital crag]

does anyone know the best oc for a msi gtx 1030

[modern walrus]

so basically what's going on here is you remove the lid, put better thermalpaste then attach the lid back on?

[vital crag]

im having trouble and it keeps freezing

[modern walrus]

for de-lid I mean

[sudden torrent]

That's basically how it goes, some of them benefit from lapping the die too for better contact

[vital crag]

Does anyone know the best oc for a msi gtx 1030

[sudden torrent]

Every card is different but honestly you might go from 40 to 43 fps, not really worth the instability

[modern walrus]

what is lapping the die?

[vital crag]

i dont care if its not worth

i need to know

[modern walrus]

just download afterburner & play with it?

[sudden torrent]

https://youtu.be/iShcG91eLoc

[modern walrus]

ohh I head about this

you're basically just sanding it down

You can color it with permanent marker to make sure you do it evenly & what not

[sudden torrent]

And I'm telling you, every card is different. Some can get +400 on the memory and some crash at +100.

[vital crag]

mine can get high its just that i go over too much and it crashes and i have to put it into recoverymode and uninstall it

then reinstall it

[sudden torrent]

Then don't do it that high

[vital crag]

i tried but it still didnt word

work

whatever im not getting any help from here anyway

[sudden torrent]

Ok? Not like I can give you magic numbers or something, some just don't overclock

[proven canopy]

Epower it

[steel grove]

Sure here https://imgur.com/a/pyJ47ld

[modern walrus]

If I just sand it myself....is that a dumb idea? lol

[sudden torrent]

Version 3.31, cross referencing...

[sudden torrent]

You can do that, just try to make it even

[clever epoch]

Single rank, not Samsung

[modern walrus]

so like in the video, you wanna sand until you see copper?

[sudden torrent]

Rev B

[clever epoch]

Oh excellent

[proven canopy]

haha I just asked some other folks about that rev earlier today, c-die, or rev.b if lucky

[steel grove]

So are they good or bad lol

[clever epoch]

Corsair uses 4.xx for Samsung I'm pretty sure

[clever epoch]

Very good

[sudden torrent]

Well, good as far as the midrange chips go

[clever epoch]

You should be able to up the frequency a bit and tighten the timings

[steel grove]

Without comprimising the reliability?

[proven canopy]

uhh

[clever epoch]

Corsair bins loose for micron so I would say you have a decent chance

[clever epoch]

RevB and RevE is good though? Not as good as B die

[proven canopy]

oh nvm I was thinking 3.31

Sure, rev.e is a lot of fun

[clever epoch]

You can make it 100% stable, you just have to stability test properly

[steel grove]

Cool!

[clever epoch]

You can potentially get the frequency as high as 4000, but your CPU will likely top out around 3800 or 3866, unless you're lucky

[sudden torrent]

From the reddit overclocking page under rev.b:
On Ryzen: tRCDWR and tRAS both go as low as you can set them (still needs 19 tRCDRD), and tRP goes very tight as well, managing DDR4-3200 15-(19/08)-13-21 1T 1.35V

Don't go past around 1.35v it doesn't like that

[clever epoch]

How's tRFC on revB?

Oh I thought revB scaled to 1.5

[steel grove]

I am using a 5600x

On a Asus b550-f

[sudden torrent]

Nope, scales negative to voltage past 1.35, like c-die

[clever epoch]

Interesting

[proven canopy]

See what thaiphoon says just out of curiosity

[clever epoch]

Yeah, so you want to keep your fCLK synced to your memory speed on Ryzen chips. Unfortunately, your fCLK will likely top out at 1900 (DDR4-3800). Any higher is luck, with the best chips hitting 2000 (DDR4-4000)

[south sky]

probably rev.e

[modern walrus]

How are the G.Skill Trident Neos geared to AMD? Does this mean there's very little overclocking headroom? That would make sense considering I need CMOS reset even bumping +33mhz on frequency

[clever epoch]

depends entirely on memory chip

[modern walrus]

I lost the file somehow that had what it was. My one the smart guys in here determined was AJR. I think the other was MJR or something like that

of course it couldn't be something simple like B die

Both sets are G.Skill & Hynix

[orchid flame]

they arent at all

lol

thats complete BS

[modern walrus]

okay well heck I dunno

[orchid flame]

at most what they could have are contracts with companies to use Neos on their QVL

lol

otherwise theres no difference

[modern walrus]

I just know if I bump from 3800 to 3866 (I think) it won't boot

[orchid flame]

what sticks

what chips

[modern walrus]

G.Skill and I think like MJR or something I can't remember

but they're Hynix

and apparently Hynix sucks

[orchid flame]

16Gb MJR?

[modern walrus]

32gb x 2

[orchid flame]

they're 2x32 I assume

yep

MJR or AJR

probs MJR

what timings at XMP

16-19-19?

1.35v

[modern walrus]

18-20-20-42 I think

1.4v

[orchid flame]

cool

try this

are you at PC rn?

[modern walrus]

command is 1T

[orchid flame]

what CPU?

[modern walrus]

kind of. I'm using 10900K right above 5900x (one with sticks)

5900x

[orchid flame]

cool

ok

on the 5900x rig

boot it up go into bios

SOC voltage 1.15v

[modern walrus]

okay give me 2 seconds

[orchid flame]

VDDP 0.95v

VDDG IOD 1,05v

DRAM voltage 1.45v

go into advanced dram timing config

[modern walrus]

okay getting to BIOS now

[orchid flame]

tCL at 18 is fine

tRCDRD and tRCDWR both to 21

tRAS to 44

[modern walrus]

I wish I could hit CAS latency below 18

[orchid flame]

tRC to 84

[orchid flame]

you can.

just wait

anyways

tRRDS 4

tRRDL 6

[modern walrus]

okay in BIOS now will do settings now

[orchid flame]

tFAW 16

tRFC 560

Gear down mode enabled

power down mode disabled

everything else is fine on auto

boot at 3800

go back in
increase frequency

set memory to DDR4-3866

set FCLK to 1933MHz

boot

[modern walrus]

VDDR SOC voltage is same as SOC?

[orchid flame]

what board is this

[modern walrus]

VDDP CCD I manually set to 1.050 and same with IOD

ASUS B550-F gaming

Strix B550-F wifi

rather

[orchid flame]

CPU SOC Voltage

near the top

[modern walrus]

okay just did what you said I think

CPU SOC? heck okay let me get back into BIOS

if I even POST lol

which rn isn't looking too promising

but I know it takes a minute to do something usually

my 10900K does this weird thing where it like revs fans for 90 seconds before boot whenever I mess with RAM settings

uh not looking so good rn

probably have to clear CMOS

darnit my bad

okay ya for sure no POST

No SOC?

do you do this under AMD's settings or motherboard?

I found SOC under AMD's will clear ASUS side

[prisma arch]

ok

[prisma arch]

wait would 3733-21-18-40 be better than 3800-22-22-42?

[modern walrus]

I have no clue if you're asking me lol

[prisma arch]

i am i think

[modern walrus]

It makes me set voltage on VDDP SOC in mili volts

[prisma arch]

oh

[modern walrus]

I really don't know if that's better or worse

[prisma arch]

for some reason there are errors when i manually set the vddp

[modern walrus]

1150 milivolts = 1.15 volts right? Deci is -10 power, centi is -100 power, milli is -1000 power?

[prisma arch]

yes

[modern walrus]

heckin metric system

[prisma arch]

oh you are from US

but like would 3733-21-18-40 be better than 3800-22-22-42?

i like how as soon as i start typing the chat dies

[modern walrus]

happens to me a lot too

I mostly talk to myself in here lol

Yes from US

Metric system makes more sense I know but

still annoying lol

not sure if I did something wrong but I'm not getting a POST with these settings

oh well

[zenith palm]

Mines the same yeah lol

[zenith palm]

1100 is 1.1v ye it's just x by 100 or whatever

[modern walrus]

eh I can't get POST

[zenith palm]

Clear cmos time

[prisma arch]

yes

[short blade]

after flashing new bios with agesa 1.2.0.3C my mobo is now allowing up to +500 boost override on pbo. interesting

[modern walrus]

oh come on I said was a better system. I dunno who thought 5280 feet = one mile or any of that other nonsense when you can just move decimal points

really?

I just updated AGESA with Asus BIOS but they're beta

[zenith palm]

:o

[modern walrus]

but I don't see more than +200

[zenith palm]

Thing your portable sun might become portable bomb xD

[short blade]

I have not yet seen higher than 5.05ghz

[modern walrus]

then again I don't recall if I looked

[short blade]

running corecycler and it looks the same

[zenith palm]

Ohh it definitely didn't sound like that lol

[short blade]

bad cores running 4.7 best core running 4.8

[zenith palm]

I wouldn't do a beta bios unless it's a last resort tbh

[short blade]

one nice thing about the bios update

I used to get 30 corrected whea on each boot

now I get 0

[modern walrus]

which CPU again?

[short blade]

I wonder if this new bios will allow me to do 2000 fclk

5800x

[zenith palm]

Nice

[modern walrus]

the only time I show 4700 all core is running OCT

Cinebench always like 4612

[short blade]

it's single core not all core

prime95 single core

[modern walrus]

oh I think single core was like 5032mhz or something

[short blade]

I have not seen any performance gain from +500 so I'm just going back to +200

[zenith palm]

Is there no 300 etc?

Just 200 straight to 500?

[short blade]

if +500 does nothing I assume +300 won't either

[zenith palm]

Never know

[prisma arch]

damn

[clever epoch]

only way to know for sure is to test yourself. I would lean towards yes

[modern walrus]

My CB score goes up like 1000 points if I close all rgb controls & crap... who would've thought? derp

[short blade]

because cb automatically sets its process priority to below normal

set it to realtime and you will see it consume all CPU cycles

[modern walrus]

I did on benchmate

Otherwise how do I do it on standalone?

btw where do you keep scalar at?

Is exceeding 2x on scalar "dangerous" if you have a core offset? My core offset is -.06250v